First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!

[David Moyer]

Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhone, great reading....


1) David Pogue -

One year and 11 days ago, our nation was swept by iPhone Mania. TV news
coverage was relentless. Hard-core fans camped out to be the first in
line. Bloggers referred to Apple¹s new product as the ³Jesus phone.²

It was a stunning black slab of glass: a cellphone, a brilliant music
and video player and the best pocket Internet terminal the world had
ever seen. The huge, bright, touch-sensitive screen made it addictive
fun to rotate, page through or magnify your photos, videos and Web pages.

Today, the iPhone is in the hands of six million people. Clumsy
touch-screen lookalikes from rival phone makers line the shelves.

And Friday is the iPhone¹s second coming.

much more here:

http://snipurl.com/2vbkr [www_nytimes_com]



2) Walt Mossberg

Apple Inc.¹s iPhone has been the world¹s most influential smart phone
since its debut a year ago, widely hailed for its beauty and
functionality. It was a true hand-held computer that raised the bar for
all its competitors. But that first iPhone had two big drawbacks: It was
expensive, and it couldn¹t access the fastest cellular-phone networks.

On Friday, Apple is launching a second-generation iPhone, called the
iPhone 3G, which addresses both of those problems, while retaining the
look and feel of the first model¹s hardware and software.

much more here:

http://snipurl.com/2vblo [wallstreet_journal_com]


all details here:

http://www.apple.com/iphone

[Jim Mason]

In article <davmoy-***@news.qwest.net>, ***@world.com
says...

Post by David Moyer
Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon

Why do you think this is relevant to alt.cellular.nokia?

[David Moyer]

Post by Jim Mason

Post by David Moyer
Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon

Why do you think this is relevant to alt.cellular.nokia?

proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why.

[Todd Allcock]

Post by David Moyer

Post by Jim Mason

Post by David Moyer
Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon

Why do you think this is relevant to alt.cellular.nokia?

proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why.

If so, then they can read the groups relevant to the iPhone, rather than
have to deal with your pathetic, irrelevant, fanboi crossposting.

And "proly cuz"? Really? Your ridiculous posts betray your lack of
experience, but do you have to type like a 13 year-old IM-ing his
classmates?

[David Moyer]

Post by Todd Allcock
And "proly cuz"? Really? Your ridiculous posts betray your lack of
experience, but do you have to type like a 13 year-old IM-ing his
classmates?

it was sent from my blackberry, using its crappy keyboard :) jk, LOL!

[Jim Mason]

In article <davmoy-***@news.qwest.net>, ***@world.com
says...

Post by David Moyer

Post by Jim Mason

Post by David Moyer
Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon

Why do you think this is relevant to alt.cellular.nokia?

proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why.

Then I am sure they would subscribe to the relevant group then?

[George]

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Post by Jim Mason

Post by David Moyer
Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon

Why do you think this is relevant to alt.cellular.nokia?

proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why.

You just don't understand. The fanbois whose entire existence is defined
by an electronic device think it is so important (in their minds) that
they need to "convert" everyone else even if they could care less.

[Jim Mason]

Post by George

Post by David Moyer

Post by Jim Mason

Post by David Moyer
Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon

Why do you think this is relevant to alt.cellular.nokia?

proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why.

You just don't understand. The fanbois whose entire existence is defined
by an electronic device think it is so important (in their minds) that
they need to "convert" everyone else even if they could care less.

Are these morons `paid` by Apple?

[Larry]

Post by Jim Mason
Are these morons `paid` by Apple?

That continues to remain unclear. They certainly SEEM like Apple
employees....never a discouraging word, never pointing out its flaws and
omissions.

.....and ALWAYS defending Apple at any cost.

[Mark Crispin]

Post by Larry

Post by Jim Mason
Are these morons `paid` by Apple?

That continues to remain unclear. They certainly SEEM like Apple
employees....never a discouraging word, never pointing out its flaws and
omissions.
.....and ALWAYS defending Apple at any cost.

I doubt that they work for Apple. Their behavior discredits them, Apple,
and the Apple products that they shill. Apple tries to live down its
fanboy reputation; and would muzzle, or more likely dismiss, them if they
were identified as employees.

Apple employees (I know several) have to drink the Kool-Aid as a condition
of employment, but not even the Kool-Aid turns them into fanboys. The
more serious problem at Apple is extreme insularity.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

[4phun]

Post by George

Post by David Moyer

Post by David Moyer
Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon

Why do you think this is  relevant to alt.cellular.nokia?

proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why.

You just don't understand. The fanbois whose entire existence is defined
by an electronic device think it is so important (in their minds) that
they need to "convert" everyone else even if they could care less.

If you do not caare for the iPhone have enough maturity to ignore it
and move on without wasting everyones else's time with comments like
the above when there are those who are looking for information and
appreciate posts on iPhone 3G developments. Another words GET A LIFE.

[Kevin Weaver]

Post by George

Post by David Moyer

Post by David Moyer
Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon

Why do you think this is relevant to alt.cellular.nokia?

proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why.

You just don't understand. The fanbois whose entire existence is defined
by an electronic device think it is so important (in their minds) that
they need to "convert" everyone else even if they could care less.

If you do not caare for the iPhone have enough maturity to ignore it
and move on without wasting everyones else's time with comments like
the above when there are those who are looking for information and
appreciate posts on iPhone 3G developments. Another words GET A LIFE.

There is a difference between the two. Knowing and then the BS you spew over
and over again. It's you that need's to get the life.

[Todd Allcock]

Post by 4phun

Post by George

Post by David Moyer
proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why.

You just don't understand. The fanbois whose entire existence is defined
by an electronic device think it is so important (in their minds) that
they need to "convert" everyone else even if they could care less.

If you do not caare for the iPhone have enough maturity to ignore it
and move on without wasting everyones else's time with comments like
the above when there are those who are looking for information and
appreciate posts on iPhone 3G developments. Another words GET A LIFE.

That doesn't excuse Oxford's continued crossposting. Where does your
slippery slope end? Are the Cletus KKK posts here ok because someone might
"appreciate" racist drivel? Maybe the recent Islamaspam is ok because it
might be interesting to someone on a cellphone NG?

The point stands that anyone who might "appreciate posts on iPhone 3G
developments" can go to the SEVERAL groups where such posts are actually ON
TOPIC, and don't need Oxford, you, or I to "deliver" them elsewhere.

[Roger 2008]

Post by Todd Allcock

Post by 4phun

Post by George

Post by David Moyer
proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why.

You just don't understand. The fanbois whose entire existence is defined
by an electronic device think it is so important (in their minds) that
they need to "convert" everyone else even if they could care less.

If you do not caare for the iPhone have enough maturity to ignore it
and move on without wasting everyones else's time with comments like
the above when there are those who are looking for information and
appreciate posts on iPhone 3G developments. Another words GET A LIFE.

That doesn't excuse Oxford's continued crossposting. Where does your
slippery slope end? Are the Cletus KKK posts here ok because someone might
"appreciate" racist drivel? Maybe the recent Islamaspam is ok because it
might be interesting to someone on a cellphone NG?
The point stands that anyone who might "appreciate posts on iPhone 3G
developments" can go to the SEVERAL groups where such posts are actually ON
TOPIC, and don't need Oxford, you, or I to "deliver" them elsewhere.

I wonder what will happen after the iPhone 3G comes out tomorrow.

BTW after all the hype about the iPhone 3G I still don't know if it has
Stereo Bluetooth.

[Larry]

Post by Roger 2008
BTW after all the hype about the iPhone 3G I still don't know if it has
Stereo Bluetooth.

NADA....no A2DP to play your music on.....

It's the same old phone with a 3G upgrade.

[Roger 2008]

Post by Larry

Post by Roger 2008
BTW after all the hype about the iPhone 3G I still don't know if it has
Stereo Bluetooth.

NADA....no A2DP to play your music on.....
It's the same old phone with a 3G upgrade.

Thanks for the info on the iPhone 3G and Stereo Bluetooth isn't just for
"music." You can also use Stereo Bluetooth for the Slingplayer Mobile.
http://www.slingmedia.com/go/spm

But I wonder how long it will take Slingplayer Mobile to make it to the
iPhone.

[nospam]

Post by Roger 2008
But I wonder how long it will take Slingplayer Mobile to make it to the
iPhone.

<http://gizmodo.com/395415/sling-on-iphone-video-hands-on>

[The Bob]

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Post by Todd Allcock

Post by 4phun

Post by George

Post by David Moyer
proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone,
that's

why.

Post by Todd Allcock

Post by 4phun

Post by George
You just don't understand. The fanbois whose entire existence is

defined

Post by Todd Allcock

Post by 4phun

Post by George
by an electronic device think it is so important (in their minds)
that they need to "convert" everyone else even if they could care
less.

If you do not caare for the iPhone have enough maturity to ignore
it and move on without wasting everyones else's time with comments
like the above when there are those who are looking for information
and appreciate posts on iPhone 3G developments. Another words GET A
LIFE.

That doesn't excuse Oxford's continued crossposting. Where does your
slippery slope end? Are the Cletus KKK posts here ok because someone

might

Post by Todd Allcock
"appreciate" racist drivel? Maybe the recent Islamaspam is ok
because it might be interesting to someone on a cellphone NG?
The point stands that anyone who might "appreciate posts on iPhone 3G
developments" can go to the SEVERAL groups where such posts are
actually

ON

Post by Todd Allcock
TOPIC, and don't need Oxford, you, or I to "deliver" them elsewhere.

I wonder what will happen after the iPhone 3G comes out tomorrow.
BTW after all the hype about the iPhone 3G I still don't know if it
has Stereo Bluetooth.

It does not.

[David Moyer]

Quick synopsis of the first 3 reviews:

David Pogue / NYTimes
- Sound is much improved. "In fact, few cellphones sound this good."
- Feels better in your hand due to the curved back
- "According to Apple, the iPhone¹s G.P.S. antenna is much too small to
emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for
example."
- No voice dialing, video recording, Bluetooth stereo, MMS
- "the really big deal is the iPhone 2.0 software and the App Store

Walt Mossberg
- "it mostly keeps its promises."
- "more capable version of an already excellent device"
- Battery drained much more quickly using 3G, as expected
- Greatly improved audio, much louder speaker
- Data speeds 3-5x faster than original iPhone
- Better voice coverage with 3G. "At my neighborhood shopping center,
where the first iPhone got little or no AT&T service, the iPhone 3G
registered strong coverage."

Edward Baig / USA Today
- "iPhone 3G: The Sequel, is worth the wait."
- Still no recording video, no stereo bluetooth or voice dialing
- Supports PowerPoint attachments; mass move or delete multiple e-mail
messages
- 10-30 seconds to load popular websites on 3G.
- GPS was very accurate
- Speaker sounded better for both speakerphone and music.
- "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy work
day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as with the
older iPhone."

[Todd Allcock]

Post by David Moyer
David Pogue / NYTimes
- Sound is much improved. "In fact, few cellphones sound this good."
- Feels better in your hand due to the curved back
- "According to Apple, the iPhone¹s G.P.S. antenna is much too small to
emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for
example."

Huh? There are lipstick-sized bluetooth GPS modules on keychains. The
"antenna isn't too small," the software just isn't there.

Post by David Moyer
- No voice dialing, video recording, Bluetooth stereo, MMS

Oh well, there's always iPhone 3.0, right?

[nospam]

Post by Todd Allcock

Post by David Moyer
- "According to Apple, the iPhone¹s G.P.S. antenna is much too small to
emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for
example."

Huh? There are lipstick-sized bluetooth GPS modules on keychains. The
"antenna isn't too small," the software just isn't there.

yea, that one makes no sense.

Post by Todd Allcock

Post by David Moyer
- No voice dialing, video recording, Bluetooth stereo, MMS

Oh well, there's always iPhone 3.0, right?

third parties have already demoed voice dialing, video recording and
mms. perhaps bluetooth stereo could be added in firmware, although i
do not think it's at the top of the list.

[Todd Allcock]

Post by nospam

Post by Todd Allcock

Post by David Moyer
- "According to Apple, the iPhone¹s G.P.S. antenna is much too small to
emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for
example."

Huh? There are lipstick-sized bluetooth GPS modules on keychains. The
"antenna isn't too small," the software just isn't there.

yea, that one makes no sense.

Agreed. The sad part is when a technology JOURNALIST like Pogue lets crap
like that slide, and accepts it at face value. I'm not necessarily picking
on Apple here, either. I have a hard time believing Apple said anything of
the sort- I suspect Pogue misunderstood/miswrote whatever he was trying to
convey.

Post by nospam

Post by Todd Allcock

Post by David Moyer
- No voice dialing, video recording, Bluetooth stereo, MMS

Oh well, there's always iPhone 3.0, right?

third parties have already demoed voice dialing, video recording and
mms. perhaps bluetooth stereo could be added in firmware, although i
do not think it's at the top of the list.

I wouldn't be surprised if third parties address the stereo AD2P situation
as well- many Windows Mobile-based devices received their first AD2P
profiles via third-party hacks.

While I rarely agree with Oxford about anything, he's correct that the most
important single advancement to the iPhone this coming Friday will not be
GPS, 3G or the new iPhone hardware itself, but the app store and it's
ability to deliver third party apps to all iPhones without Jailbreaking or
hacking. Friday the iPhone actually becomes what both the fanbois and
journalists have claimed it to be all along, but which it fell far short of
in reality- a mobile computing platform.

No company's "vision," not even Apple's, can anticipate all uses actual
USERS will have for a device, and as Windows Mobile, Palm, Symbian and RIM
developers have shown us, smartphones can be used for a myriad of things
their inventors NEVER anticipated!

Apple, with the iPhone's original release, made the same mistake Windows
Mobile and Palm did originally- envision these devices as peripherals
dependent on a desktop computer "mothership" as the source of all apps, PIM
data, files, etc. The original concept were that these devices were
portable "file viewers" that you used to take your PCs files with you in a
smaller package. When third-party developers pushed the limits of what
these devices could do, even the manufacturers woke up and realized that
they could also be used as mobile computers independent of an umbilical cord
tying them to a desktop PC.

To Apple's credit, it only took them one year to figure this out, rather
than the six or seven it took Microsoft to realize it! ;-) It'll be
interesting to see what developers can wring out of the iPhone's impressive
hardware, other than the plethora of recipe filing, biorhythm calculating,
calorie counting, etc. programs that amateur mobile developers seem to think
the world always needs one more of! ;-) Hopefully Dataviz (who made some
noise on their blog a few months ago about the fesability of developing for
Apple) will port their excellent Palm Docs-to-Go mobile office suite to the
iPhone and allow viewing/editing of Office documents on the phone itself, if
only so my buddy doesn't have to e-mail himself a pile of Word docs each
time he leaves for Europe!

[nospam]

Post by Todd Allcock
I wouldn't be surprised if third parties address the stereo AD2P situation
as well- many Windows Mobile-based devices received their first AD2P
profiles via third-party hacks.

i'm not sure third parties can add bluetooth profiles, but if they can,
all the better.

Post by Todd Allcock
No company's "vision," not even Apple's, can anticipate all uses actual
USERS will have for a device, and as Windows Mobile, Palm, Symbian and RIM
developers have shown us, smartphones can be used for a myriad of things
their inventors NEVER anticipated!

very true. some of the stuff that's been announced and/or demoed looks
quite interesting.

Post by Todd Allcock
To Apple's credit, it only took them one year to figure this out, rather
than the six or seven it took Microsoft to realize it! ;-)

i think apple figured it out long before that (like when they announced
web apps and people laughed). it takes time to put together an sdk,
the documentation, the apps store and the infrastructure to support it
all.

Post by Todd Allcock
It'll be
interesting to see what developers can wring out of the iPhone's impressive
hardware, other than the plethora of recipe filing, biorhythm calculating,
calorie counting, etc. programs that amateur mobile developers seem to think
the world always needs one more of! ;-)

one good thing about the way the apps store works is that there will be
a lot less crap. however, i'm not so sure the central distribution
method can scale as the device gains popularity.

[Larry]

Post by nospam
i'm not sure third parties can add bluetooth profiles, but if they can,
all the better.

Next thing you know, you FruitFoners will want someone to install Bluetooth
Private Area Networking so you can steal music and movies off the 32GB SDHC
cards in my N800 over BT PAN or OBEX or FTP.

How awful....

You should be ashamed going behind Steve's back like that after all he
hasn't done for you!

[Todd Allcock]

Post by nospam

Post by Todd Allcock
I wouldn't be surprised if third parties address the stereo AD2P situation
as well- many Windows Mobile-based devices received their first AD2P
profiles via third-party hacks.

i'm not sure third parties can add bluetooth profiles, but if they can,
all the better.

You're probably right- it might not work via the official SDK/app store
model- that might be something best left to the "Jailbreakers." ;-)

Post by nospam

Post by Todd Allcock
To Apple's credit, it only took them one year to figure this out,
rather than the six or seven it took Microsoft to realize it! ;-)

i think apple figured it out long before that (like when they announced
web apps and people laughed). it takes time to put together an sdk,
the documentation, the apps store and the infrastructure to support it
all.

Yeah, I was being tongue-in-cheek, or at least cheeky, anyway...

Post by nospam

Post by Todd Allcock
It'll be
interesting to see what developers can wring out of the iPhone's
impressive hardware, other than the plethora of recipe filing,
biorhythm calculating, calorie counting, etc. programs that
amateur mobile developers seem to think the world always needs
one more of! ;-)

one good thing about the way the apps store works is that there will be
a lot less crap. however, i'm not so sure the central distribution
method can scale as the device gains popularity.

It manages to deliver an impressive number of songs- I'm sure it can handle
a few thousand apps! I suspect the app store will be a work in progress,
perhaps giving "premium" shelf space to known developers or popular
downloads, much like eBay offers "featured listings" for an additional
cost. I wouldn't expect some unknown author's "Hello World" app to get the
same consideration as Tom Tom's GPS software, for example, which would be a
good thing- many mobile software distributors, like Handango, are difficult
to navigate unless you know your desired app by name or developer, due to
the hundreds of cheesy "me too" apps cluttering up every software category.

(This reminds me of a guy who hangs out on the WinMo usenet groups who has
single-handely written over 5,000 free WinMo "apps" over the last several
years- mostly nearly-identical database apps differing only by title and
subject- i.e. a stamp collecting "app", coin collecting "app", VCR tape
database, DVD database, etc. No one has the heart to tell him that one
general purpose database app- or even a spreadsheet- would replace almost
his entire library!) ;-)

[nospam]

Post by Todd Allcock

Post by nospam
i'm not sure third parties can add bluetooth profiles, but if they can,
all the better.

You're probably right- it might not work via the official SDK/app store
model- that might be something best left to the "Jailbreakers." ;-)

maybe, but that hasn't happened with the current model. it could be
that not too many people are interested, or that it's just not worth
the effort.

Post by Todd Allcock

Post by nospam
one good thing about the way the apps store works is that there will be
a lot less crap. however, i'm not so sure the central distribution
method can scale as the device gains popularity.

It manages to deliver an impressive number of songs- I'm sure it can handle
a few thousand apps!

except songs don't need to be submitted for evaluation. it's not clear
to me how apple is going to manage a huge onslaught of apps being
submitted.

Post by Todd Allcock
I suspect the app store will be a work in progress,

no doubt it will be. the ad-hoc method of distribution will probably
grow into something less centralized and more useful to everyone.

Post by Todd Allcock
perhaps giving "premium" shelf space to known developers or popular
downloads, much like eBay offers "featured listings" for an additional
cost. I wouldn't expect some unknown author's "Hello World" app to get the
same consideration as Tom Tom's GPS software, for example, which would be a
good thing- many mobile software distributors, like Handango, are difficult
to navigate unless you know your desired app by name or developer, due to
the hundreds of cheesy "me too" apps cluttering up every software category.

that works both ways. having a level playing field, where anyone can
write the next killer app and not just big companies with money, is
great. if a company can buy their way to the front screen of the apps
store, then it's not so level anymore.

Post by Todd Allcock
(This reminds me of a guy who hangs out on the WinMo usenet groups who has
single-handely written over 5,000 free WinMo "apps" over the last several
years- mostly nearly-identical database apps differing only by title and
subject- i.e. a stamp collecting "app", coin collecting "app", VCR tape
database, DVD database, etc. No one has the heart to tell him that one
general purpose database app- or even a spreadsheet- would replace almost
his entire library!) ;-)

heh, that's a bit excessive.

[Larry]

Post by nospam
that works both ways. having a level playing field, where anyone can
write the next killer app and not just big companies with money, is
great.

http://www.maemo.org/

[Todd Allcock]

Post by nospam

Post by Todd Allcock
You're probably right- it might not work via the official SDK/app store
model- that might be something best left to the "Jailbreakers." ;-)

maybe, but that hasn't happened with the current model. it could be
that not too many people are interested, or that it's just not worth
the effort.

Quite possibly. With Windows Mobile, a variety of devices are available,
so adding stuff like AD2P support to older models is more a function of
"borrowing" drivers and software from newer, similar, devices and seeing
which ones a) work, and b) don't crash the device

Post by nospam

Post by Todd Allcock

Post by nospam
one good thing about the way the apps store works is that there will be
a lot less crap. however, i'm not so sure the central distribution
method can scale as the device gains popularity.

It manages to deliver an impressive number of songs- I'm sure it can handle
a few thousand apps!

except songs don't need to be submitted for evaluation. it's not clear
to me how apple is going to manage a huge onslaught of apps being
submitted.

I'm no developer, so I could be all wet, but I assume the SDK has been
designed to protect the device from illegal function calls, or direct
hardware access, so perhaps as long as the SDK (and only the SDK) was used,
the app will be "assumed certified" at least until proven otherwise.

Post by nospam

Post by Todd Allcock
perhaps giving "premium" shelf space to known developers or popular
downloads, much like eBay offers "featured listings" for an additional
cost. I wouldn't expect some unknown author's "Hello World" app to get the
same consideration as Tom Tom's GPS software, for example, which would be a
good thing- many mobile software distributors, like Handango, are difficult
to navigate unless you know your desired app by name or developer, due to
the hundreds of cheesy "me too" apps cluttering up every software category.

that works both ways. having a level playing field, where anyone can
write the next killer app and not just big companies with money, is
great. if a company can buy their way to the front screen of the apps
store, then it's not so level anymore.

eBaty was probably a bad example since it's a simple paid placement system-
I didn't mean so much "buying" into the front screen as working your way
there by quality or reputation- perhaps by number of downloads, or a
community feedback system. Giants/"partners" like Google, AOL, Sega, etc.
would start with such "status" already granted, while newcomers would be
able to "earn" their status.

Post by nospam

Post by Todd Allcock
(This reminds me of a guy who hangs out on the WinMo usenet groups who has
single-handely written over 5,000 free WinMo "apps" over the last several
years- mostly nearly-identical database apps differing only by title and
subject- i.e. a stamp collecting "app", coin collecting "app", VCR tape
database, DVD database, etc. No one has the heart to tell him that one
general purpose database app- or even a spreadsheet- would replace almost
his entire library!) ;-)

heh, that's a bit excessive.

Two new ones today! www.cebeans.com is his site if you want to see a
preview of what Friday might hold for the new app store! ;-)

[Larry]

Post by Todd Allcock
www.cebeans.com

http://www.cebeans.com/LoveVibrator.vb

"Love Vibrator"! I love it....Great website...(c;

Has POWER and SPEED slide controls on the screen....in pink!...(c;

Website warns about inserting the Pocket PC...hee hee.

Finally someone has come up with a useful WinCE app....hee hee.

Does it abort if you get a call or just dump the caller to voicemail?.....

....could have timing problems.....

Wonder what happens if it crashes??

[Larry]

Post by Larry

Post by Todd Allcock
www.cebeans.com

http://www.cebeans.com/LoveVibrator.vb
"Love Vibrator"! I love it....Great website...(c;
Has POWER and SPEED slide controls on the screen....in pink!...(c;
Website warns about inserting the Pocket PC...hee hee.
Finally someone has come up with a useful WinCE app....hee hee.
Does it abort if you get a call or just dump the caller to
voicemail?.....
....could have timing problems.....
Wonder what happens if it crashes??

Someone needs to port this app to the FruitFone!! Gives new meaning to the
"Multitouch"....hee hee....(c;

[David Moyer]

Post by Larry

Post by Larry
Finally someone has come up with a useful WinCE app....hee hee.
Does it abort if you get a call or just dump the caller to
voicemail?.....
....could have timing problems.....
Wonder what happens if it crashes??

Someone needs to port this app to the FruitFone!! Gives new meaning to the
"Multitouch"....hee hee....(c;

iBrate is already available on the iPhone and has been for awhile:

[Larry]

AHA! No POWER and SPEED controls! Gotcha!....(d^:)

[David Moyer]

Post by Larry
AHA! No POWER and SPEED controls! Gotcha!....(d^:)

this one does :) it even vibrates in rhythm to your music.

http://www.ohmibod.com/

[Larry]

Post by David Moyer
this one does :) it even vibrates in rhythm to your music.
http://www.ohmibod.com/

Cool!....(c;

Ever seen one of these?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=Pfs6YAYeJ10

Same feel....no bitching, no begging, no headaches.

I don't know how she keeps from laughing so long.....(c;

It's the mobilephone version of one of these:

Both factories looks like they have plenty of orders....

[David Moyer]

Post by Larry
Cool!....(c;
Ever seen one of these?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=Pfs6YAYeJ10

the end is near! wow.

Post by Larry
Same feel....no bitching, no begging, no headaches.
I don't know how she keeps from laughing so long.....(c;
http://youtu.be/HGfaQCY_bo4
Both factories looks like they have plenty of orders....

yeah, the end is near... the realdoll people are still around as well,
configure to order a babe here: :)

http://www.realdoll.com/cgi-bin/snav.rd

[Larry]

Post by David Moyer
yeah, the end is near... the realdoll people are still around as well,
configure to order a babe here: :)
http://www.realdoll.com/cgi-bin/snav.rd

It's unnatural to have a cooperative female in 2008.....(c;

[nospam]

Post by Todd Allcock
I'm no developer, so I could be all wet, but I assume the SDK has been
designed to protect the device from illegal function calls, or direct
hardware access, so perhaps as long as the SDK (and only the SDK) was used,
the app will be "assumed certified" at least until proven otherwise.

the sdk has been designed to prevent access to certain things like
direct control of the cellular radio. however, one need not use much
of the sdk to write apps that won't be accepted, such as porn or hacker
apps (e.g., wifi password cracking).

someone at apple will have to install the application and see what
happens when it runs. even if it takes just a few minutes to do that,
it adds up. maybe apple thought it through, but it's not clear to me
how it can scale.

Post by Todd Allcock
eBaty was probably a bad example since it's a simple paid placement system-
I didn't mean so much "buying" into the front screen as working your way
there by quality or reputation- perhaps by number of downloads, or a
community feedback system. Giants/"partners" like Google, AOL, Sega, etc.
would start with such "status" already granted, while newcomers would be
able to "earn" their status.

that's what i mean about not being a level playing field. how is a
newcomer going to compete against google, sega, etc. ?

[Todd Allcock]

Post by nospam

Post by Todd Allcock
eBaty was probably a bad example since it's a simple paid placement system-
I didn't mean so much "buying" into the front screen as working your way
there by quality or reputation- perhaps by number of downloads, or a
community feedback system. Giants/"partners" like Google, AOL, Sega, etc.
would start with such "status" already granted, while newcomers would be
able to "earn" their status.

that's what i mean about not being a level playing field. how is a
newcomer going to compete against google, sega, etc. ?

Well, to be fair, why should someone deserve a level playing field vs.
Google when offering the world their first iPhone app? Why wouldn't the
app store mirror the rest of the marketing world?

Brewing a decent root beer in my garage doesn't automatically get me shelf
space right next to A&W at the local grocer!

Just being guaranteed ANY shelf space at the only official distribution
point for iPhone software gives small/beginning/amateur developers a leg up
compared to Palm, WinMo, etc. developers who need to find a distribution
method on their own.

[Larry]

Post by Todd Allcock
Just being guaranteed ANY shelf space at the only official
distribution point for iPhone software gives small/beginning/amateur
developers a leg up compared to Palm, WinMo, etc. developers who need
to find a distribution method on their own.

Shelf space is easy when the shelves can be 50,000 kilometers long. All
Apple needs to do is provide the server space to compliment the device
and the developer community will soon fill the shelves with very useful
applications. Cases in point:

http://www.download.com/
http://www.tucows.com/
http://www.freeware-palm.com/
http://1st-spot.net/topic_pda.html
http://www.mypocketpcmobile.com/PocketPCFreeware/tabid/203/Default.aspx
http://www.sitepronews.com/freeware.html

http://www.bestfreewaredownload.com/
This place is HUGE!

etc......

Nokia tossed caution to the wind and provided shelf space to thousands
of Linux geniuses after handing them all N770 - N800 - N810 Linux
tablets at below cost. "Here, we invented this and would like to sell
some. See what you can make it do. We've created a web domain for its
new OS for you guys to use: http://maemo.org/ Put what you want to
share up on there so everyone can benefit."

The Linux hackers are still exploring its limits years later. They've
gone beyond the Nokia OS. The tablet now runs Google Android, Garnet
Virtual Machine so it will run all the Palm OS software, Debian Linux,
Gnome software, etc..

I'm using the Wii remote to control the games...much to the delight of
the people at the next table in a restaurant...(c;

I've just installed the Linux versions of Open Office, Abiword word
processor, Gnumeric spreadsheet on my 16GB internal memory card, just to
see what it will do. These are the big, full versions.

No telling how far the open source hackers can make it go.....

.....once you get the goddamned company bureaucrats out of the way
trying to obstruct every great thing they are trying to accomplish.....

[Larry]

Post by Todd Allcock
I wouldn't be surprised if third parties address the stereo AD2P
situation as well- many Windows Mobile-based devices received their
first AD2P profiles via third-party hacks.

While I'm reading this, I'm listening to 60's Carolina Beach Music on my
Motorola S9 playing MP3s on the microSD card in my MotoROKR Z6m.

I used the super sophisticated Windows Explorer custom software from
Windoze XP in click and drag mode to copy them from the G:\MP3\Beach Music
directory to the \Beach directory on the tiny microSD card pluged into an
SD adapter. 183 files copied to the card with no further intervention.

I then, quite unceremoniously, pulled the card out of the adapter and
plugged it into the top of the tiny phone.

Completely unknown to Motorola, who could really give a shit, these MP3
files play quite loudly with fantastic base in the rubber headphones,
drowning out the screams from my large parrots trying to get my attention
so I'll go give them a monkey biscuit treat they like in the late
afternoon.

No 3rd party software installed or crashed or crashed the pitiful operating
system in the ROKR playing these files or the Jimmy Buffett songs the ROKR
found in other directories.

Why can't a $600 FruitFone play beach music in these headphones this loud?

[Oxford]

Post by Larry
Why can't a $600 FruitFone play beach music in these headphones this loud?

any iPod including the iPhone can fill a huge room with great sound. but
remember the headphone jack is mainly for headphones!

but the main dock port is where you go if you want full powered sound.

here are some options for you Larry

http://www.digitalmania-online.com/iPod-Speakers.html

[Oxford]

Post by Todd Allcock
Hopefully Dataviz (who made some
noise on their blog a few months ago about the fesability of developing for
Apple) will port their excellent Palm Docs-to-Go mobile office suite to the
iPhone and allow viewing/editing of Office documents on the phone itself, if
only so my buddy doesn't have to e-mail himself a pile of Word docs each
time he leaves for Europe!

just a small correction, Dataviz began as a Macintosh company some 24
years ago and have developed for the Mac the entire time.

[Todd Allcock]

Post by Oxford

Post by Todd Allcock
Hopefully Dataviz (who made some
noise on their blog a few months ago about the fesability of developing
for Apple...

just a small correction, Dataviz began as a Macintosh company some 24
years ago and have developed for the Mac the entire time.

Yep- virtual brain aneurysm on my part, sorry! I meant to peck "developing
for iPhone", not "developing for Apple"!

The original Dataviz blog post is here:

http://mobileofficeblog.dataviz.com/2007/10/apple_announces_iphone_sdk_1.htm
l
...but says very little other than "we'll think about it..."

[David Moyer]

Post by Todd Allcock

Post by David Moyer
- "According to Apple, the iPhone¹s G.P.S. antenna is much too small to
emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for
example."

Huh? There are lipstick-sized bluetooth GPS modules on keychains. The
"antenna isn't too small," the software just isn't there.

Post by David Moyer
- No voice dialing, video recording, Bluetooth stereo, MMS

Oh well, there's always iPhone 3.0, right?

or, more likely, a simple update when the app is done. kinda like the
did with the itunes store. i guess google earth is coming too, that'll
be interesting with a multi-touch screen.

[Larry]

Post by David Moyer
or, more likely, a simple update when the app is done. kinda like the
did with the itunes store. i guess google earth is coming too, that'll
be interesting with a multi-touch screen.

Man it's SO cool, especially in 3D! Come see for yourself!

Oh, wait, that was last JUNE '07!
Old Skool??

[David Moyer]

Post by Larry
Man it's SO cool, especially in 3D! Come see for yourself!
http://youtu.be/NUkvEeBd1Is
Oh, wait, that was last JUNE '07!
Old Skool??

wow, that guy was still using a 1990's Stylus! how primitive can you get!

and gosh, that was the slowest google earth demo i've ever seen. why did
he have to use two hands, that seemed a quite primitive as well.

[Mark Crispin]

Hello Oxford, I see that you are using a new pen name.

Post by David Moyer
- Sound is much improved. "In fact, few cellphones sound this good."

Golly gee, this is from the same Oxford who insisted that 3G was useless
and that Steve Jobs destroyed its future. Of course, those of us who have
used 3G for many years knew quite well that 3G had better sound quality.

Post by David Moyer
- "According to Apple, the iPhone's G.P.S. antenna is much too small to
emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for
example."

Golly gee, I have that function on my GPS-enabled cell phone, as does just
about every user of a cell phone in Japan.

Post by David Moyer
- No voice dialing, video recording, Bluetooth stereo, MMS

Golly gee, I have those functions on my cell phones.

Post by David Moyer
- "the really big deal is the iPhone 2.0 software and the App Store

Golly gee, just like what people on all other phones have had for many
years. Too bad it is crippled like Verizon's GetItNow, instead of being
open the way it is on Windows Mobile and any Java phone.

Post by David Moyer
- "it mostly keeps its promises."

Golly gee, "mostly"? Talk about damning with faint praise.

Post by David Moyer
- Battery drained much more quickly using 3G, as expected

Golly gee, my Japanese 3G phone doesn't drain "much more quickly" using
3G. 3G is only about a 25% hit over GSM for talk time. In standby, it
lasts longer in 3G.

Post by David Moyer
- Data speeds 3-5x faster than original iPhone

Golly gee, this is from the same Oxford who insisted that 3G was useless
and that Steve Jobs destroyed its future. Of course, those of us who have
used 3G for many years knew quite well that 3G had faster data speeds.

Post by David Moyer
- Still no recording video, no stereo bluetooth or voice dialing

Golly gee, I have those functions on my cell phones.

Post by David Moyer
- "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy work
day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as with the
older iPhone."

Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended battery on
iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

[nospam]

Post by Mark Crispin

Post by David Moyer
- "According to Apple, the iPhone's G.P.S. antenna is much too small to
emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for
example."

Golly gee, I have that function on my GPS-enabled cell phone, as does just
about every user of a cell phone in Japan.

tomtom announced their software, and it would be surprising if it
didn't do turn by turn.

Post by Mark Crispin

Post by David Moyer
- No voice dialing, video recording, Bluetooth stereo, MMS

Golly gee, I have those functions on my cell phones.

three of those have been announced already.

Post by Mark Crispin

Post by David Moyer
- Still no recording video, no stereo bluetooth or voice dialing

Golly gee, I have those functions on my cell phones.

you already pointed those out, and other than the stereo bluetooth,
they exist or will exist.

Post by Mark Crispin

Post by David Moyer
- "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy work
day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as with the
older iPhone."

Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended battery on
iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones.

there are extended batteries available. most people only have one
battery with their cellphones, so in the grand scheme of things, it's
not a big deal that the battery can't be swapped on the fly. of
course, for someone who needs extended periods of battery use, then the
iphone might not be the best choice.

[Larry]

Post by nospam
iphone might not be the best choice.

You got that right, Bo!

[nospam]

Post by Larry

Post by nospam
iphone might not be the best choice.

You got that right, Bo!

way to go taking it out of context.

for some people it's not the best choice. for others it is.

[David G. Imber]

Post by Mark Crispin
Golly gee, my Japanese 3G phone doesn't drain "much more quickly" using
3G. 3G is only about a 25% hit over GSM for talk time. In standby, it
lasts longer in 3G.

I realize that you've got other stuff going on in your post,
but I'd like to ask about your phone.

I ask because I'm taking the iPhone seriously, but I'm not an
Apple fan or anything like that. I'm taking it seriously because it is
the only phone available to me here in NYC, to the best of my
knowledge, that will finally allow me to access and input data in
Japanese.

I've been investigating Palm, Win Mob, RIM devices for ages
now, and it's been totally frustrating.

May I ask both where you're posting from and what
instrument/network you're using?

DGI

[Larry]

Post by David G. Imber
that will finally allow me to access and input data in
Japanese.

http://gjiten.garage.maemo.org/

It's not a phone, per se, but it bluetooths to phones and makes emails and
calls via Skype (to Japan for free).

See the webpage for japanese support, which installs at a single click,
with many other script languages.

Maemo is Linux and Linux supports Japanese very well.

Nokia N800/N810/N810 Wimax

[Mark Crispin]

Post by David G. Imber

Post by Mark Crispin
Golly gee, my Japanese 3G phone doesn't drain "much more quickly" using
3G. 3G is only about a 25% hit over GSM for talk time. In standby, it
lasts longer in 3G.

I realize that you've got other stuff going on in your post,
but I'd like to ask about your phone.

Check out the Japanese Phone section of howardforums and you'll find lots
of people talking about keitais (phones from Japan). Probably lots more
than you ever wanted to know.

You can certainly get access and input data in Japanese on a Windows
Mobile phone; it's just a matter of software.

One of my keitais is a SoftBank X01HT (basically, an HTC Hermes branded
for SoftBank). After unlocking it, I used it with my Verizon SIM (yes,
there is such a thing!) to roam in Japan as a Verizon user. [Of course, I
also used domestic service in Japan -- nobody in their right mind pays
$2.50/minute roaming charges for routine calls!]

Later on, I got tired of the Japanese-only OS. The only thing worse that
Microsoft's perversion of English is their perversion of Japanese; I can
read it and in fact still have the Japanese OS on my laptop, but I don't
want to deal with Microsoft-perverted Japanese on a phone!

To fix that, I found xda-developers.com to be an invaluable resource
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes
and especially
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298919
which not only details how to change a Japanese OS WM device into English
OS (and WM6), it also discusses how to add Japanese support to the English
OS (which is what you want).

Following those instructions, I ended up with a Japanese WM device that
talks to me in English, but is still quite capable of handling Japanese
text.

Many of SoftBank's and NTT DoCoMo's models are bilingual Japanese/English,
and there's quite a grey market of them selling on eBay. If you don't
need anything fancy and just want Japanese support, I suggest getting one
of the basic models such as an 812SH.

However, if you need 3G in the USA, you probably will have to get a
Windows Mobile device since most of the non-WM keitais are 3G in the 2100
band and GSM-only in the US bands.

Be sure that it is unlockable in software. This is the case on the
Windows Mobile devices, but many other keitais require you to use a
HyperSIM which is at best a half-solution. Read the threads on
howardforums to learn all about HyperSIM & such.

The iPhone will give you Japanese language capability out of the box
without playing games, so it may be a good choice for you if you don't
feel like hacking.

I can't give you much advice about using Japanese with Blackberry, at
least not yet.

You have to ask yourself -- what is it that you want besides Japanese
capability? If you want a media player, go with iPhone. If you want a
full-featured smartphone, go with WM. If you want a basic phone, consider
one of the keitais.

I would wait awhile before trying to use an iPhone in heavy-duty
enterprise type applications. They did add Exchange support in 2.0, but
the Mail client is still not quite up to speed. Maybe 3.0 or 4.0 will be
better. RIM is, and will remain for some time, the 500 pound gorilla in
this sector. Note that RIM has a Blackberry application for Windows
Mobile, so if you are in an office that standardized on Blackberry, you
can get a WM keitai and install the Blackberry service on it and be good
to go.

Post by David G. Imber
May I ask both where you're posting from and what
instrument/network you're using?

Right now, I'm in the Seattle area. I am also to be found at times in
rural Alaska or Japan.

I use Verizon in Seattle (with a Motorola Z6C dual CDMA/GSM world phone),
and AT&T in Alaska (with the X01HT). When I'm in Japan, I use the X01HT
with my Verizon SIM to roam with my US service, and a regular keitai with
domestic service.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

[David G. Imber]

The only thing worse than Microsoft's perversion of English is their perversion of Japanese

SO true! I've never heard others say it, but you are spot on
there.

there's quite a grey market of them selling on eBay.

I get to Japan often, and have purchased phones for others. It
happens that I've been with Sprint for nine years, which has naturally
limited my options a good deal.

You have to ask yourself -- what is it that you want besides Japanese
capability? If you want a media player, go with iPhone.

I do not. I dislike MP3. My wife does, and she holds a slight
edge in the voting, don't ask me how.

One feature of the iPhone that does make a very positive
impression is the Safari mobile browser. I haven't yet seen a RIM or
Palm device with a useful browser. I must admit I haven't really
examined this aspect of the Windows Mobile platform, but I imagine it
would be strong as well.

You've given me a lot of great information and I appreciate it
very much!

DGI

[Larry]

The only thing worse than Microsoft's perversion of English is their perversion of Japanese

The only thing worse than Micro$oft's perversion of Japanese is the
Japanese perversion of Engrish!....(c;

http://www.engrish.com/

Great fun when you're bored.

"Be Happy - Fock Lots!"

It was in the window of a store selling condoms and supplies, I kid you
not.....(c;

There's a whole chain of "Happy Drug Stores"!
....and none of them are in Berkeley...(c;

[Mark Crispin]

Post by David G. Imber
I get to Japan often, and have purchased phones for others. It
happens that I've been with Sprint for nine years, which has naturally
limited my options a good deal.

Rumor states that KDDI au is switching channels to the same ones used
elsewhere in the world, so presumably newer KDDI au phones will roam with
Verizon, Sprint, Alltel, and Telus in North America. The problem is in
getting the subsidy code from KDDI (AFAIK, Verizon is pretty unique in
using a subsidy code of 000000 for all their phones), and then getting
your carrier to activate that ESN (Verizon CSRs will if you ask really,
really, nicely -- I've done it).

Post by David G. Imber

Post by Mark Crispin
You have to ask yourself -- what is it that you want besides Japanese
capability? If you want a media player, go with iPhone.

I do not. I dislike MP3. My wife does, and she holds a slight
edge in the voting, don't ask me how.

I can imagine!

Post by David G. Imber
One feature of the iPhone that does make a very positive
impression is the Safari mobile browser. I haven't yet seen a RIM or
Palm device with a useful browser.

Safari on the iPhone/iPod Touch is hyped as being a full browser, but of
course it is not really "full" and is idiosyncratic in its own ways
(albeit not as bad as WAP).

There is a bug in the current 1.1.4 release that requires you to jailbreak
your iToy and change some filesystem ownerships to make Safari work with
some pages that have logins. For example, Hotmail won't work at all
usefully until you do that. I don't know if they fixed it in 2.0 or not.

Post by David G. Imber
I must admit I haven't really
examined this aspect of the Windows Mobile platform, but I imagine it
would be strong as well.

It depends. The WM version of IE is a basically a WAP browser. You
need to buy something like Opera Mobile to get a real browser on WM.

The real problem with both WM and iToy is the lack of screen resolution.
The iToy has better resolution than most WM phones, but it pales compared
to the screen on the Nokia N800. It's actually possible to view a page on
the N800/N810 without having to zoom in and out all the time like you do
on the iToy.

Good luck!

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

[David Moyer]

Post by Mark Crispin

Post by David Moyer
- "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy work
day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as with the
older iPhone."

Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended battery on
iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones.

sure you can, any iPod or iPhone battery extender will work fine.

http://www.thepocketsolution.com/PSI-35159.html

or there are now several iPhone specific battery packs like this one.

http://www.mophie.com/products/juice-pack

geeesh, you know nothing about what you speak.

[Todd Allcock]

Post by David Moyer

Post by Mark Crispin
Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended battery on
iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones.

sure you can, any iPod or iPhone battery extender will work fine.
http://www.thepocketsolution.com/PSI-35159.html

...and they said you can't tether an iPhone!

Post by David Moyer
or there are now several iPhone specific battery packs like this one.
http://www.mophie.com/products/juice-pack

So much for thin... Now your iPhone can be as thick as my Tilt!

Post by David Moyer
geeesh, you know nothing about what you speak.

He was limiting the discussion to swappable, user replaceable batteries, I
assume.

No problem, though- as you've always said, the iPhone battery is certainly
user replaceable- instead of the products you mentioned above, you could
just carry this:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d.html?ie=UTF8&a=B000EM98KW

[David Moyer]

Post by Todd Allcock

Post by David Moyer
http://www.thepocketsolution.com/PSI-35159.html

...and they said you can't tether an iPhone!

Post by David Moyer
or there are now several iPhone specific battery packs like this one.
http://www.mophie.com/products/juice-pack

So much for thin... Now your iPhone can be as thick as my Tilt!

Post by David Moyer
geeesh, you know nothing about what you speak.

He was limiting the discussion to swappable, user replaceable batteries, I
assume.
No problem, though- as you've always said, the iPhone battery is certainly
user replaceable- instead of the products you mentioned above, you could
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d.html?ie=UTF8&a=B000EM98KW

(smirk)

i see the new iphone has two small screws at the base, so this possibly
will open more doors for battery options. we'll know friday with the
first take-a-parts.

[Larry]

Post by David Moyer
i see the new iphone has two small screws at the base, so this possibly
will open more doors for battery options. we'll know friday with the
first take-a-parts.

....This to be followed by a special YouTube posting of "Will It Blend",
within 24 hours, I'm sure....(c;

[nospam]

Post by David Moyer
i see the new iphone has two small screws at the base, so this possibly
will open more doors for battery options. we'll know friday with the
first take-a-parts.

the first take-apart has been posted and the battery is no longer
soldered.

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[The Bob]

Post by David Moyer

Post by Mark Crispin

Post by David Moyer
- "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy
work day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as
with the older iPhone."

Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended
battery on iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones.

sure you can, any iPod or iPhone battery extender will work fine.

Battery extender? I thought the iPhone battery kept a charge for weeks.
At least that's what you were saying a year ago. Right about the same time
you were preaching that wifi would be the 3g killers.

Post by David Moyer
http://www.thepocketsolution.com/PSI-35159.html
or there are now several iPhone specific battery packs like this one.
http://www.mophie.com/products/juice-pack
geeesh, you know nothing about what you speak.

Wow- my laptop would be easier and lighter to use than that amalgamation of
electronic odds and ends. And it shoots the whole"form" argument all to
hell.

[Oxford]

Post by The Bob

Post by David Moyer

Post by Mark Crispin
Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended
battery on iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones.

sure you can, any iPod or iPhone battery extender will work fine.

Battery extender? I thought the iPhone battery kept a charge for weeks.
At least that's what you were saying a year ago. Right about the same time
you were preaching that wifi would be the 3g killers.

i never said "weeks", more lies from you... but it does work for about a
week with normal use.

Post by The Bob

Post by David Moyer
http://www.thepocketsolution.com/PSI-35159.html
or there are now several iPhone specific battery packs like this one.
http://www.mophie.com/products/juice-pack
geeesh, you know nothing about what you speak.

Wow- my laptop would be easier and lighter to use than that amalgamation of
electronic odds and ends. And it shoots the whole"form" argument all to
hell.

and i agree it's not necessary, but just pointing out they are available
to Mark.

[Larry]

- "According to Apple, the iPhoneûs G.P.S. antenna is much too small to
emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for
example."

Biggest crock of horseshit I've seen yet over this PoS.....(c;

Very funny....Case in POINT:

http://www.slashphone.com/106/8137.html

That suction cup is less than an inch in diameter.

How big do you think its giant sized antenna is?

It powers WAYFINDER on Nokia phones and tablets...even from your watch
pocket in your jeans....

http://www.wayfinder.com/?id=3779&lang=US

What a crock.....it's GPS antenna is HUGE!

[SMS]

Post by David Moyer
Edward Baig / USA Today
- "iPhone 3G: The Sequel, is worth the wait."
- Still no recording video, no stereo bluetooth or voice dialing

I can't believe that they still have no voice dialing. Is there _any_
other current cell phone model that doesn't have voice dialing?

[The Bob]

Post by SMS

Post by David Moyer
Edward Baig / USA Today
- "iPhone 3G: The Sequel, is worth the wait."
- Still no recording video, no stereo bluetooth or voice dialing

I can't believe that they still have no voice dialing. Is there _any_
other current cell phone model that doesn't have voice dialing?

My daughter's $50 Samsung has voice dialing. The Razr had voice dialing. I
can't think of any phone considered new that doesn't.

Well, except for one.

[nospam]

Post by SMS

Post by David Moyer
Edward Baig / USA Today
- "iPhone 3G: The Sequel, is worth the wait."
- Still no recording video, no stereo bluetooth or voice dialing

I can't believe that they still have no voice dialing. Is there _any_
other current cell phone model that doesn't have voice dialing?

i've never seen voice dialing work particularly well, but nevertheless,
at least one third party (and i think more than just one but i can't
remember whom) has announced voice dialing support.

<http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/080707/0413246.html>

[SMS]

Post by nospam
i've never seen voice dialing work particularly well, but nevertheless,
at least one third party (and i think more than just one but i can't
remember whom) has announced voice dialing support.

It works very well on the models where you train it with your own voice,
assigning a voice tag to the number in the phone book. The models with
general voice-recognition work less well, especially on complicated names.

[David Moyer]

also quite decent - a sneak peek into the 2.0 software:

I can't tell you how we got ahold of a first-generation iPhone loaded
with version 2.0 of the iPhone operating system. What I can tell you is
that if I do reveal this information, homicidal ninjas will come to my
house and kill my family. Nevertheless, we do have one -- and we were
able to take a look inside and find a few minute yet interesting
changes. Here's a preview of some of the ways in which iPhone 2.0
differs from iPhone 1.0.

iPhone 2.0, of course, is the operating system that will come
preinstalled on iPhone 3G models when those start shipping on Friday,
July 11. iPhone 2.0 will also be available as a free software upgrade to
people who have first-generation iPhones.

In the photo of the iPhone home screen, above, you'll notice at least
two differences from the first-generation OS: there's a new Contacts
application (on the old phone, contacts were accessible only via the
"Phone" icon), and the long-awaited App Store is there (that's where
you'll buy new iPhone-native software and games).

And now, to the details...

http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/07/exclusive-sneak.html

[ps56k]

Post by David Moyer
I can't tell you how we got ahold of a first-generation iPhone loaded
with version 2.0 of the iPhone operating system. What I can tell you
is that if I do reveal this information, homicidal ninjas will come
to my house and kill my family. Nevertheless, we do have one -- and
we were able to take a look inside and find a few minute yet
interesting changes. Here's a preview of some of the ways in which
iPhone 2.0 differs from iPhone 1.0.
iPhone 2.0, of course, is the operating system that will come
preinstalled on iPhone 3G models when those start shipping on Friday,
July 11. iPhone 2.0 will also be available as a free software upgrade
to people who have first-generation iPhones.
In the photo of the iPhone home screen, above, you'll notice at least
two differences from the first-generation OS: there's a new Contacts
application (on the old phone, contacts were accessible only via the
"Phone" icon), and the long-awaited App Store is there (that's where
you'll buy new iPhone-native software and games).
And now, to the details...
http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/07/exclusive-sneak.html

It will be interesting to see if the draw/demand is there, like with the
first one.

My interest was in the Exchange active sync email (push) support,
but I think I read that it does not work when the link is "https"... which
is the normal setup.

Also - with respect to GSM vs CDMA -
It looks like Verizon might be heading away from CDMA EVDO data
and towards the GSM data world of LTE.

[Todd Allcock]

Post by ps56k
It will be interesting to see if the draw/demand is there, like with the
first one.

The new lower pricing will assure that.

Post by ps56k
My interest was in the Exchange active sync email (push) support,
but I think I read that it does not work when the link is "https"... which
is the normal setup.

I find it hard to believe it won't handle secure Exchange servers, but
we'll see, I guess...

Post by ps56k
Also - with respect to GSM vs CDMA -
It looks like Verizon might be heading away from CDMA EVDO data
and towards the GSM data world of LTE.

That will allow (future) interoperability with the networks of Verizon's
foreign masters at Vodaphone. It makes perfect sense that carriers would
migrate to a uniform voice/data standard eventually, via system upades,
without having to tear down and replace existing infrastructure.

As to the "CDMA vs. GSM" thing, Verizon won't be "switching" from CDMA to
GSM- LTE will be a 4G data overlay on their current CDMA network, much like
WCDMA (UMTS, GSM's 3G system) was an overlay on the 2G GSM system.
Verizon's LTE will let future 4G international phone owners with the
correct frequency bands roam in the US on Verizon's otherwise incompatible
network the same way some GSM 3G phones with the right bands can roam on
the 3G overlay of Japan's otherwise incompatible CDMA networks.

[ps56k]

Post by Todd Allcock

Post by ps56k
It will be interesting to see if the draw/demand is there, like with
the first one.

The new lower pricing will assure that.

Post by ps56k
My interest was in the Exchange active sync email (push) support,
but I think I read that it does not work when the link is "https"...
which is the normal setup.

I find it hard to believe it won't handle secure Exchange servers, but
we'll see, I guess...

yeah - looks ok, as it mentions SSL for the connection,
I should have read the iPhone page....
http://www.apple.com/iphone/enterprise/integration.html

Post by Todd Allcock

Post by ps56k
Also - with respect to GSM vs CDMA -
It looks like Verizon might be heading away from CDMA EVDO data
and towards the GSM data world of LTE.

That will allow (future) interoperability with the networks of
Verizon's foreign masters at Vodaphone. It makes perfect sense that
carriers would migrate to a uniform voice/data standard eventually,
via system upades, without having to tear down and replace existing
infrastructure.
As to the "CDMA vs. GSM" thing, Verizon won't be "switching" from
CDMA to GSM- LTE will be a 4G data overlay on their current CDMA
network, much like WCDMA (UMTS, GSM's 3G system) was an overlay on
the 2G GSM system. Verizon's LTE will let future 4G international
phone owners with the correct frequency bands roam in the US on
Verizon's otherwise incompatible network the same way some GSM 3G
phones with the right bands can roam on the 3G overlay of Japan's
otherwise incompatible CDMA networks.

[M.Gerald]

Software problems bug Apple's launch of new iPhone
http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/apple_iphone;_ylt=AqbHUzdbUeCMUYIu430GjzH6L5A5

iPhone "iPocalypse" as activations fail en masse
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/99178

iPhone 3G gets reviewed and it's just OK
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/hughes/33040/iphone-3g-gets-reviewed-and-its-just-ok/

There's more, but you get the idea. Not a great launch party, it
seems.

Max

[David G. Imber]

Post by M.Gerald
iPhone 3G gets reviewed and it's just OK
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/hughes/33040/iphone-3g-gets-reviewed-and-its-just-ok/
There's more, but you get the idea. Not a great launch party, it
seems.

Well, yes and no. I work for a Japanese company (though I'm in
NY) and the "party" is a global one. I've already gotten breathless
accounts from some of my colleagues there.

But more to the point, it's interesting to note how personal
attitudes are laying a heavy hand on the reporting. For example, the
"review of reviews" you cite above says this:

"A few things have improved in this model, but all three reviewers
complained about the iPhone's lack of video recording, MMS, AT&T's 3G
coverage, and extra costs associated with AT&T's 3G service contract.
As a matter of fact, their complaints far outweigh any "improvements"
made on this iPhone 3G version. "

The first sentence is TRUE, the second is FALSE, or at least
heavy editorialization. All three reviewers concluded that the phone
is, on the whole, an improved version of the original, which they
liked. They express their caveats in an even-handed way, and none of
them conclude that the complaints "outweigh" the improvements. The
three reviews are more like tempered endorsements, and two are closer
to raves.

This whole affair is fascinating on one hand as a tech story,
and on the other as a look at certain aspects of human nature (spec.
peoples' relationship with their tools, or toys, as some would have
it).

DGI

[News]

Post by David G. Imber
But more to the point, it's interesting to note how personal
attitudes are laying a heavy hand on the reporting. For example, the
"A few things have improved in this model, but all three reviewers
complained about the iPhone's lack of video recording, MMS, AT&T's 3G
coverage, and extra costs associated with AT&T's 3G service contract.
As a matter of fact, their complaints far outweigh any "improvements"
made on this iPhone 3G version. "
The first sentence is TRUE, the second is FALSE, or at least
heavy editorialization. All three reviewers concluded that the phone
is, on the whole, an improved version of the original, which they
liked. They express their caveats in an even-handed way, and none of
them conclude that the complaints "outweigh" the improvements. The
three reviews are more like tempered endorsements, and two are closer
to raves.
This whole affair is fascinating on one hand as a tech story,
and on the other as a look at certain aspects of human nature (spec.
peoples' relationship with their tools, or toys, as some would have
it).

So, if I may paraphrase slightly, you perfume pigs for a living and that
is why you choose to characterize these reviews in this manner?

[Rashputin]

Post by News

Post by David G. Imber
But more to the point, it's interesting to note how personal
attitudes are laying a heavy hand on the reporting. For example, the
"A few things have improved in this model, but all three reviewers
complained about the iPhone's lack of video recording, MMS, AT&T's 3G
coverage, and extra costs associated with AT&T's 3G service contract.
As a matter of fact, their complaints far outweigh any "improvements"
made on this iPhone 3G version. "
The first sentence is TRUE, the second is FALSE, or at least
heavy editorialization. All three reviewers concluded that the phone
is, on the whole, an improved version of the original, which they
liked. They express their caveats in an even-handed way, and none of
them conclude that the complaints "outweigh" the improvements. The
three reviews are more like tempered endorsements, and two are closer
to raves.
This whole affair is fascinating on one hand as a tech story,
and on the other as a look at certain aspects of human nature (spec.
peoples' relationship with their tools, or toys, as some would have
it).

So, if I may paraphrase slightly, you perfume pigs for a living and that
is why you choose to characterize these reviews in this manner?

He wasn't charactering these reviews, he was characterizing the
reviewers. That's the current tactic of choice when the facts are against
you. Note also, "the whole affair" as if it were something other than a
product rollout by a company which claims to have the best products and the
best technical people. Calling it an affair softens the real world aspect
of things and tries to make failure a subjective rather than an quantifiable
term. People who bought a phone and can't activate it are quantifiable
entities, however, so such recasting attempts are pretty lame. This is the
same kind of guy who thinks that if he scratches his nuts while he lies
under oath it's not perjury since sex has entered the equation.

Regards

[David G. Imber]

Post by News
So, if I may paraphrase slightly, you perfume pigs for a living and that
is why you choose to characterize these reviews in this manner?

I'm sorry, but I do not understand what appears to be your
criticism at all. I believe you misunderstood me, and took that as an
opportunity to be uncivil.

I was characterizing a single article, it was an overview of
three other reviews (only three major publications that I am aware of
rec'd. this device in advance of its general release). This overview
claimed that the three initial reviewers felt that the perceived
disadvantages of the Apple product "outweighed" its advantages. The
writer led the piece with that assertion. I read the three reviews
that the overview refers to (and you may too if you wish), and they
did NOT feel that way.

So I was characterizing this ARTICLE, this OVERVIEW, as being
misleading.

I stand by that completely, and no, you may not paraphrase me
if you don't mind.

DGI

[News]

Post by David G. Imber

Post by News
So, if I may paraphrase slightly, you perfume pigs for a living and that
is why you choose to characterize these reviews in this manner?

I'm sorry, but I do not understand what appears to be your
criticism at all.

Oh? Must be all that perfume you've been using...

---

"The Wall Street Journal's Walt Mossberg, The New York Times' David
Pogue, and USA Today's Edward Baig got their hands on the new iPhone 3G
and have published reviews that gives us more reasons to wait than to
upgrade.

A few things have improved in this model, but all three reviewers
complained about the iPhone's lack of video recording, MMS, AT&T's 3G
coverage, and extra costs associated with AT&T's 3G service contract. As
a matter of fact, their complaints far outweigh any "improvements" made
on this iPhone 3G version.

Many have anticipated an iPhone that would support AT&T's 3G network,
yet both Mossberg and Baig seemed annoyed by the lack of 3G coverage in
some areas.

Mossberg says that the iPhone 3G registered strong coverage in his
neighborhood, but found that calls regularly broke up on some major
streets, and even had to borrow a cheap Verizon phone to complete an
important call that was dropped three times on the new iPhone.

Baig, on the other hand, couldn't access the 3G network in parts of his
neighborhood. He writes, "Meanwhile, for all the hoopla involving AT&T's
speedier, third-generation network, I couldn't access 3G in parts of my
northern New Jersey neighborhood and elsewhere. When the fast network
isn't available, the phone automatically reverts to the pokier and
oft-maligned Edge network."

They all agree that websites loaded faster on the 3G network than on
EDGE, but Wi-Fi is "still the the fastest method for downloads." Baig
says it took 10 to 30 seconds to load popular websites through 3G, and
Mossberg found that checking email and surfing the Web on the 3G network
was three to five times faster—but we already knew that.

It may be easier and faster to access websites or check email on the new
iPhone 3G, but for how long?

Mossberg thought the iPhone 3G's battery drained much faster on a
typical day than the battery on the original iPhone, while Baig found
quite the opposite, yet admitted to getting low battery warnings towards
the end of day. Either way, it looks like you'll need to charge your
phone every night.

Aside from all the 3G network issues, which is the touted feature on
this new model, some minor improvements on the phone itself gave
reviewers something to be happy about. For example, all three agree that
the audio quality improved, the GPS feature was very accurate, and the
curvier design felt better in your hand.

Software improvements include a scientific calculator, an address book
search box, parental controls, and instant language switching.
Multitasking will be easier now that you can delete multiple emails,
save photo attachments, and open PowerPoint files, although that may
crash your iPhone as Mossberg found out.

The GPS feature, while better than the pseudo GPS feature on its
predecessor, is useless according to Pogue because "the antenna is much
too small to emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a
vehicle."

None of the reviewers were able to test the App Store, but all three
seem to agree that the biggest attraction will probably be the
third-party applications, not the 3G functionality, which is what many
have been anticipating.

So should you upgrade?

Pogue says the iPhone 3G is a nice upgrade, "But it’s not so much better
that it turns all those original iPhones into has-beens. Indeed, the
really big deal is the iPhone 2.0 software and the App Store, neither of
which requires buying a new iPhone."

Mossberg agrees, and suggests iPhone owner who are ok with using Wi-Fi
for data should "hold off and get the free software upgrade before
deciding whether it’s worth getting the new hardware.""

---

If you can make "fabulous" out of that review, then as I said, you are
in the business of perfuming pigs.

[Roger 2008]

Post by News
The GPS feature, while better than the pseudo GPS feature on its
predecessor, is useless according to Pogue because "the antenna is much
too small to emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a
vehicle."

Thanks for the info and bummer about the GPS.

BTW I was given permission to try and pair an "iPhone 3G" to my Garmin
Mobile 10 and it didn't find it so you can't even use a BT GPS with it.

Looks like the iPhone Campers will have to wait in line a few more days if
they want a GPS for turn-by-turn navigation.

iPhone Campers?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cjh6793/2657626370/

Post being replied to:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.cellular.sprintpcs/msg/aa481c0211f2fa59

[Larry]

Post by Roger 2008
Looks like the iPhone Campers will have to wait in line a few more
days if they want a GPS for turn-by-turn navigation.

Not really....(c;

This is REAL GPS, not using the sellphone A-GPS made for pocket phones.
It's accuracy driving around is the distance between the front doors.

Having an easy mount is essential. Mine is a supersuction cup to the
windscreen, putting the display wherever you want. There are now five
navigation programs to choose from, most freeware like Maemo Mapper,
like having Google/Virtual Earth in your pocket:

This is an old video. Maemo Mapper now supports:
Open Street
Google Street
Google Satellite
Virtual Earth Street
Virtual Earth Satellite
Virtual Earth Hybrid (sat/streets, my favorite)
Yahoo Street
Yahoo Satellite

The latest additions are quite neat, too:

runwayfinder.com has tiles of every US aeronautical chart:
http://www.runwayfinder.com/
Their tiles are in the same format as these others so you simply add
their server address to Maemo Mapper and you now have the latest
aeronautical charts, live over your sellphone data link, with your
little Cessna 150's GPS plotted automatically on it. Switch maps to one
of the satellite photo tile sets just before you approach the airport
and the damned thing will plot your little plane
(ultralight?...sailplane?) landing right on the runway in the EXACT
position your little plane lands upon it...centerline, right of center,
left of center. Simply amazing....(c;
Switch back to runwayfinder to get any frequency/runway/data any chart
would have. It's like having inertial navigation from a commercial
jet...stuck to the windscreen above the panel....(c;

The other is WEATHER radar, live!
at mesonet.agron.iastate.edu, they have Google compatible tiles of all
the Nexrad radars across North America. Maemo mapper can use these
tiles. This turns the N800/N810 maemo mapper display into a realtime
digital color weather radar screen with you in the center of it....with
full tracking just like the weather radar of a commercial jet.
UNfortunately, the maemo mapper geniuses have yet to integrate one of
the other mapping tile repositories under this radar display. You get a
raw weather radar display without the map display at this time. But, it
is so cool to pop up the weather radar from anyplace the sellphone can
get its data link...(c; I sail on other people's boats with my tablet.
To enhance the sellphone data coverage offshore that bluetooth DUN
connects the tablet to the net, I simply put my ROKR Z6m in a ziplock
bag, in case it rains, and haul it up the mainmast of the sailboat until
the bluetooth bombs. Offshore, without all the RF noise from other BT
users where it's much quieter, the phone will BT data to the tablet all
the way to the top of the 60' mast...giving us nearly 10 miles of
internet offshore from up there....(c;

Well, FruitFones will catch up to this technology, some day.....if
allowed....if someone thinks they can sell it to you by the month.

You don't have to wait as it's already here, NOW....

But, don't forget, it's not a sellphone....even though, being
multitasking Linux, it WILL make phone calls to Mom over Skype while,
simultaneously, doing navigation on any of the nav programs, even
talking to you from Wayfinder if you like.

[4phun]

Post by Larry

Post by Roger 2008
Looks like the iPhone Campers will have to wait in line a few more
days if they want a GPS for turn-by-turn navigation.

http://youtu.be/IWAmxpQP0Ww
Not really....(c;
This is REAL GPS, not using the sellphone A-GPS made for pocket phones.  
It's accuracy driving around is the distance between the front doors.
Having an easy mount is essential.  Mine is a supersuction cup to the
windscreen, putting the display wherever you want.  There are now five
navigation programs to choose from, most freeware like Maemo Mapper,
like having Google/Virtual Earth in your http://youtu.be/698iql3B824
Open Street
Google Street
Google Satellite
Virtual Earth Street
Virtual Earth Satellite
Virtual Earth Hybrid (sat/streets, my favorite)
Yahoo Street
Yahoo Satellite
The other is WEATHER radar, live!
at mesonet.agron.iastate.edu, they have Google compatible tiles of all
the Nexrad radars across North America.  Maemo mapper can use these
tiles.  This turns the N800/N810 maemo mapper display into a realtime
digital color weather radar screen with you in the center of it....with
full tracking just like the weather radar of a commercial jet.  
UNfortunately, the maemo mapper geniuses have yet to integrate one of
the other mapping tile repositories under this radar display.  You get a
raw weather radar display without the map display at this time.  But, it
is so cool to pop up the weather radar from anyplace the sellphone can
get its data link...(c;  
Well, FruitFones will catch up to this technology, some day.....if
allowed....if someone thinks they can sell it to you by the month.

You get both the map display and radar for the whole country and
Mexico (maybe even Canada - I didn't look) with street level zoom on
the iPhone.

Google earth?

I am standing in line in Kohls talking to an Indian (from India) about
the bomb attacks of the last few days when I show him the iPhone and
have him pull up the latest news. I then ask him to type in his
address in India. Poof with 3G I have the map in seconds and in a few
seconds more a satellite image of his home down to the view of the
cars on the street. I also demonstrated he could locate his local
Hindu temple and nine others as well as the nearest Pizza from here.
A view and data search clear on the other side of the world, while
standing in line with a credit card sized cell phone in the USA!

He was impressed.

Indians are always impressed with trinkets like that and that is how
we got New York City from the natives who lived here. Think of what we
could have been had if the settlers had iPhones to sell them instead
of beads.

[Paul Miner]

Post by 4phun
I am standing in line in Kohls talking to an Indian (from India) about
the bomb attacks of the last few days when I show him the iPhone and
have him pull up the latest news. I then ask him to type in his
address in India. Poof with 3G

3G? No WiFi? You must live in the sticks. Or at least that's what I
read here last week. ;-)

Post by 4phun
I have the map in seconds and in a few
seconds more a satellite image of his home down to the view of the
cars on the street. I also demonstrated he could locate his local
Hindu temple and nine others as well as the nearest Pizza from here.
A view and data search clear on the other side of the world, while
standing in line with a credit card sized cell phone in the USA!
He was impressed.
Indians are always impressed with trinkets like that and that is how
we got New York City from the natives who lived here. Think of what we
could have been had if the settlers had iPhones to sell them instead
of beads.

What do "Indians" (from India) have in common with the natives who
sold us land in the future-NYC area? That's a trick question; the
answer is nothing.

[Larry]

Post by 4phun
Google earth?

Like this?
http://youtu.be/NUkvEeBd1Is

3D....watch the video....(c;

Hey! It's LINUX!

[4phun]

Post by 4phun
Google earth?

Like http://youtu.be/NUkvEeBd1Is
3D....watch the video....(c;
Hey!  It's LINUX!

No I haven't seen google earth like that on the iPhone yet. hey what
is that pointy thing in the man's hand, his finger? You need a handful
of fingers to do what he did with the iPhone.

But the next time your iPhone friend sees you ask him to grab the free
game Moonlight Mahjong's. Have him fire up some music in iTunes to
give the little processor something to do and then launch that game.
Read the directions. The game rotates in 3D and can be manipulated in
any dimension as you examine the complex board. Notice how smooth and
clear the graphics are, how accurate to the smallest detail in every
position. There are millions of PC's that can not do that.

[Larry]

Post by 4phun

Post by 4phun
Google earth?

Like http://youtu.be/NUkvEeBd1Is
3D....watch the video....(c;
Hey!  It's LINUX!

No I haven't seen google earth like that on the iPhone yet. hey what
is that pointy thing in the man's hand, his finger? You need a handful
of fingers to do what he did with the iPhone.

That's an extremely fine and accurate pointing device used on very high
resolution touchscreens to point to very specific points much more
narrow than your grease covered meat hook. It's called a STYLUS (sti-
lus). It is used for drawing very fine lines on high definition
screens, pointing to very closely spaced news articles on webpages such
as:
http://news.google.com/
without zooming in and out and in and out just to point to them. It's
accuracy, like your middle finger now pointing at my message, is the
width of the pointy end.

Post by 4phun
But the next time your iPhone friend sees you ask him to grab the free
game Moonlight Mahjong's. Have him fire up some music in iTunes to
give the little processor something to do and then launch that game.
Read the directions. The game rotates in 3D and can be manipulated in
any dimension as you examine the complex board. Notice how smooth and
clear the graphics are, how accurate to the smallest detail in every
position. There are millions of PC's that can not do that.

Yes, but I can look down that mountainside in 3D with Google Earth and
see the stream burbling over the little falls into the pool below.....

[Verne Arase]

Post by Roger 2008
BTW I was given permission to try and pair an "iPhone 3G" to my Garmin
Mobile 10 and it didn't find it so you can't even use a BT GPS with it.

Paired it with my Garmin Nuvi 360 and it worked flawlessly.

[Verne Arase]

Post by M.Gerald
Software problems bug Apple's launch of new iPhone
http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/apple_iphone;_ylt=AqbHUzdbUeCMUYIu430GjzH6L5A5

Yeah, they only sold a million units the first weekend.

[John Bledsoe]

Post by David Moyer
Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhone, great reading....

Why do you cross post in non-GSM related newsgroups? Us CDMA folks
could care or less.

[Larry]

And Friday is the iPhoneûs second coming.

A truer statement was never posted to Usenet....

a religious event over a piece of electronic shit.

[SMS]

"It was a true hand-held computer..."

Huh? In reality it was a web pad/phone/MP3 player. It was _not_ a
hand-held computer. You couldn't even do a spreadsheet on it.

[Todd Allcock]

"It was a true hand-held computer..."

Huh? In reality it was a web pad/phone/MP3 player. It was _not_ a hand-
held computer. You couldn't even do a spreadsheet on it.

To be fair, not every device classified as a "computer" can necessarily do
spreadsheets. In fact, I'm pretty sure my old Timex-Sinclair 1000 couldn't..
;-)

[Larry]

Post by Todd Allcock

Post by SMS

"It was a true hand-held computer..."

Huh? In reality it was a web pad/phone/MP3 player. It was _not_ a
hand- held computer. You couldn't even do a spreadsheet on it.

To be fair, not every device classified as a "computer" can
necessarily do spreadsheets. In fact, I'm pretty sure my old
Timex-Sinclair 1000 couldn't..
;-)

http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/gnumeric/

I don't know how big you can make a spreadsheet on it, but it's huge...(c;

No, I don't know what all the functions do, either.....

http://www.gnome.org/projects/gnumeric/

[David Moyer]

Post by SMS

"It was a true hand-held computer..."

Huh? In reality it was a web pad/phone/MP3 player. It was _not_ a
hand-held computer. You couldn't even do a spreadsheet on it.

the official description is:

The iPhone combines three products in one ‹ a revolutionary phone, a
widescreen iPod, and a breakthrough Internet device with rich HTML email
and a desktop-class web browser. i