Discussion:
Who pays for Illegals?
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Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
2018-12-17 23:35:25 UTC
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Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.

If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....


If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.


I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
--
That's Karma


*Rumination*
49 - Liberalism is a black hole from which no intelligence escapes.
Snit
2018-12-17 23:49:18 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?

And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.


Klaus Schadenfreude
2018-12-18 00:17:28 UTC
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 16:49:18 -0700, Snit
Post by Snit
On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Snit's broken again. LOL

He doesn't even know what's being discussed.

[chuckle]
Mattb
2019-01-12 04:17:59 UTC
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 16:17:28 -0800, Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 16:49:18 -0700, Snit
Post by Snit
On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Snit's broken again. LOL
He doesn't even know what's being discussed.
That seems to be normal for Snit.
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
[chuckle]
Peter Franks
2018-12-18 16:11:02 UTC
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Post by Snit
On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
   Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Post by Snit
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2018-12-18 16:14:20 UTC
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Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
   Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
According to Snit, we're "saving" money. ROFLMAO

More of his Obama/Hillary/Schumer/Pelosi worship.
Snit
2018-12-18 16:32:53 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
   Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
According to Snit, we're "saving" money. ROFLMAO
More of his Obama/Hillary/Schumer/Pelosi worship.
What do they have to do with it? And why not save money and get better
outcomes?
Klaus Schadenfreude
2018-12-18 19:56:14 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
   Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
According to Snit, we're "saving" money. ROFLMAO
More of his Obama/Hillary/Schumer/Pelosi worship.
What do they have to do with it? And why not save money and get better
outcomes?
Snit now angrily denies that Obama/Hillary/Schumer/Pelosi have
anything to do with universal health care.

Is Snit doing this for attention or is he really this ignorant?

Or both?

<spock>
Fascinating
</spock>
Cloud Hobbit
2019-01-10 02:31:25 UTC
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Post by Snit
What do they have to do with it? And why not save money and get better
outcomes?

The question is not about savings, it's about constitutionality. So far as I can tell, no such authority exists. Perhaps you could cite the relevant clause.
Snit
2018-12-18 16:32:52 UTC
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Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
   Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Peter Franks
2018-12-18 23:45:55 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
   Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care? Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost. Who pays for those costs?
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Snit
2018-12-19 01:00:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
   Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost. Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Don Martin
2018-12-19 23:40:21 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
   Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost. Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
And the tax for health care will be less than the insurance premiums I
presently pay, if the experience of countries with national health
schemes is anything to go by (14% of GDP as opposed to our 18%).
--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
Je pense, donc je suis Charlie.
Peter Franks
2019-01-09 23:08:14 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
   Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost. Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.

Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.

What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid for
by the rich. Please get your facts straight.
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Snit
2019-01-10 01:28:49 UTC
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On 1/9/19 4:08 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
...
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost.  Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid for
by the rich.  Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything. What we are talking about is doing what is morally
right. What we are talking about is MOST people paying less than they do
now and getting better service.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Klaus Schadenfreude
2019-01-10 01:40:22 UTC
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Post by Snit
...
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost.  Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid for
by the rich.  Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything.
Snit LOVES the idea of forcing everyone to buy "insurance."
Clave
2019-01-10 02:00:34 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Snit
...
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost.  Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid for
by the rich.  Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything.
Snit LOVES the idea of forcing everyone to buy "insurance."
Whereas you love the idea of taking it away from everyone.
Snit
2019-01-10 02:21:20 UTC
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Post by Clave
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Snit
...
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost.  Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid for
by the rich.  Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything.
Snit LOVES the idea of forcing everyone to buy "insurance."
Whereas you love the idea of taking it away from everyone.
I do love the idea that we all pay into, say, military "insurance" --
where no matter if someone is rich or poor, they are protected by the
military. Same with the police. They should not be checking your bank
account or your level of donations or even your tax bracket to decide if
they help you. Same with firemen and with those who make the roads, even
the poor parts of town should have well maintained roads. I believe we
should have this for much of education and health care, and, sure, if we
want to call these things "taxes" or "insurance" or the like I am find
with it. I also believe this should go for safe food and water and air
-- we should all pay into a system where there is food and water and air
safety maintained -- and even for other consumer products. Even pencils.
This does not mean a rich person cannot buy an expensive pencil or a
poor person should be just handed pencils, but any pencil you buy on the
market should not have lead paint, for example. When you go to a
restaurant, whether low end or high, you should have government
oversight to reduce the chance you will get food poisoning.

What I do not believe in such "insurance" for is paying a wealthy man to
have meal. While I believe in safety nets, there is no moral basis for a
wealthy person to get more deducted from the cost of a single business
meal (with the government covering the rest) than a poor family of four
gets in SNAP benefits for a week. There is no reason to cover the cost
of entertainment for the rich, nor to allow them to have their UNEARNED
income be taxed at a lower rate than the poor man's EARNED income. There
is no reason to have "insurance", or government payments, to cover the
cost of labor. If McDonald's or Walmart want to hire labor that is fine
-- it is a good thing -- but they should cover the full cost, no forced
government "insurance" on all of us to cover that cost.

So Klaus is right to say I back some forms of "insurance", but I do not
back many of the ones those on the right side of the political fence do.

Can Klaus say the same? Will he denounce those forms of "insurance", the
use of our tax money to back such things? I doubt it.

Heck, I doubt he even understood what I wrote. :)
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Peter Franks
2019-01-10 03:55:43 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Clave
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Snit
...
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost.  Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid for
by the rich.  Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything.
Snit LOVES the idea of forcing everyone to buy "insurance."
Whereas you love the idea of taking it away from everyone.
I do love the idea that we all pay
Bzzzzzzzzt. There is your lie. You don't want us to ALL pay, you want
some to pay inordinate amounts, and others to pay none at all, and
others to pay some.

If we all get the same benefit, then we should all pay the same amount.

That's equality, bro.

Propose a system based on equality, and then we can talk.
Post by Snit
into, say, military "insurance" --
where no matter if someone is rich or poor, they are protected by the
military. Same with the police. They should not be checking your bank
account or your level of donations or even your tax bracket to decide if
they help you. Same with firemen and with those who make the roads, even
the poor parts of town should have well maintained roads. I believe we
should have this for much of education and health care, and, sure, if we
want to call these things "taxes" or "insurance" or the like I am find
with it. I also believe this should go for safe food and water and air
-- we should all pay into a system where there is food and water and air
safety maintained -- and even for other consumer products. Even pencils.
This does not mean a rich person cannot buy an expensive pencil or a
poor person should be just handed pencils, but any pencil you buy on the
market should not have lead paint, for example. When you go to a
restaurant, whether low end or high, you should have government
oversight to reduce the chance you will get food poisoning.
What I do not believe in such "insurance" for is paying a wealthy man to
have meal. While I believe in safety nets, there is no moral basis for a
wealthy person to get more deducted from the cost of a single business
meal (with the government covering the rest) than a poor family of four
gets in SNAP benefits for a week. There is no reason to cover the cost
of entertainment for the rich, nor to allow them to have their UNEARNED
income be taxed at a lower rate than the poor man's EARNED income. There
is no reason to have "insurance", or government payments, to cover the
cost of labor. If McDonald's or Walmart want to hire labor that is fine
-- it is a good thing -- but they should cover the full cost, no forced
government "insurance" on all of us to cover that cost.
So Klaus is right to say I back some forms of "insurance", but I do not
back many of the ones those on the right side of the political fence do.
Can Klaus say the same? Will he denounce those forms of "insurance", the
use of our tax money to back such things? I doubt it.
Heck, I doubt he even understood what I wrote. :)
Snit
2019-01-10 05:03:15 UTC
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Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Clave
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Snit
...
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost.  Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid for
by the rich.  Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything.
Snit LOVES the idea of forcing everyone to buy "insurance."
Whereas you love the idea of taking it away from everyone.
I do love the idea that we all pay
Bzzzzzzzzt. There is your lie.
You don't want us to ALL pay, you want
some to pay inordinate amounts, and others to pay none at all, and
others to pay some.
I want all who can pay to do so. Do you want disabled vets to pay? Three
years olds? Mentally handicapped orphans?
Post by Peter Franks
If we all get the same benefit, then we should all pay the same amount.
That's equality, bro.
Propose a system based on equality, and then we can talk.
So unless the a toddler can pay for the military we should not have one?
Not sure what you are proposing.
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
into, say, military "insurance" --
where no matter if someone is rich or poor, they are protected by the
military. Same with the police. They should not be checking your bank
account or your level of donations or even your tax bracket to decide if
they help you. Same with firemen and with those who make the roads, even
the poor parts of town should have well maintained roads. I believe we
should have this for much of education and health care, and, sure, if we
want to call these things "taxes" or "insurance" or the like I am find
with it. I also believe this should go for safe food and water and air
-- we should all pay into a system where there is food and water and air
safety maintained -- and even for other consumer products. Even pencils.
This does not mean a rich person cannot buy an expensive pencil or a
poor person should be just handed pencils, but any pencil you buy on the
market should not have lead paint, for example. When you go to a
restaurant, whether low end or high, you should have government
oversight to reduce the chance you will get food poisoning.
What I do not believe in such "insurance" for is paying a wealthy man to
have meal. While I believe in safety nets, there is no moral basis for a
wealthy person to get more deducted from the cost of a single business
meal (with the government covering the rest) than a poor family of four
gets in SNAP benefits for a week. There is no reason to cover the cost
of entertainment for the rich, nor to allow them to have their UNEARNED
income be taxed at a lower rate than the poor man's EARNED income. There
is no reason to have "insurance", or government payments, to cover the
cost of labor. If McDonald's or Walmart want to hire labor that is fine
-- it is a good thing -- but they should cover the full cost, no forced
government "insurance" on all of us to cover that cost.
Would love to hear your thoughts on this.
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
So Klaus is right to say I back some forms of "insurance", but I do not
back many of the ones those on the right side of the political fence do.
Can Klaus say the same? Will he denounce those forms of "insurance", the
use of our tax money to back such things? I doubt it.
Heck, I doubt he even understood what I wrote. :)
Peter Franks
2019-01-12 02:22:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Clave
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Snit
...
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost.  Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid for
by the rich.  Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything.
Snit LOVES the idea of forcing everyone to buy "insurance."
Whereas you love the idea of taking it away from everyone.
I do love the idea that we all pay
Bzzzzzzzzt. There is your lie.
You don't want us to ALL pay, you want
some to pay inordinate amounts, and others to pay none at all, and
others to pay some.
I want all who can pay to do so.
Who pays for those that can't?
Post by Snit
Do you want disabled vets to pay? Three
years olds? Mentally handicapped orphans?
Post by Peter Franks
If we all get the same benefit, then we should all pay the same amount.
That's equality, bro.
Propose a system based on equality, and then we can talk.
So unless the a toddler can pay for the military we should not have one?
A toddler's contribution is paid for by the parents. You know that.
Post by Snit
Not sure what you are proposing.
I haven't proposed anything, you have. You touted it as equal (we all
pay), and then retracted it to an unequal system.

I want an equal system.

You don't.
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
into, say, military "insurance" --
where no matter if someone is rich or poor, they are protected by the
military. Same with the police. They should not be checking your bank
account or your level of donations or even your tax bracket to decide if
they help you. Same with firemen and with those who make the roads, even
the poor parts of town should have well maintained roads. I believe we
should have this for much of education and health care, and, sure, if we
want to call these things "taxes" or "insurance" or the like I am find
with it. I also believe this should go for safe food and water and air
-- we should all pay into a system where there is food and water and air
safety maintained -- and even for other consumer products. Even pencils.
This does not mean a rich person cannot buy an expensive pencil or a
poor person should be just handed pencils, but any pencil you buy on the
market should not have lead paint, for example. When you go to a
restaurant, whether low end or high, you should have government
oversight to reduce the chance you will get food poisoning.
What I do not believe in such "insurance" for is paying a wealthy man to
have meal. While I believe in safety nets, there is no moral basis for a
wealthy person to get more deducted from the cost of a single business
meal (with the government covering the rest) than a poor family of four
gets in SNAP benefits for a week. There is no reason to cover the cost
of entertainment for the rich, nor to allow them to have their UNEARNED
income be taxed at a lower rate than the poor man's EARNED income. There
is no reason to have "insurance", or government payments, to cover the
cost of labor. If McDonald's or Walmart want to hire labor that is fine
-- it is a good thing -- but they should cover the full cost, no forced
government "insurance" on all of us to cover that cost.
Would love to hear your thoughts on this.
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
So Klaus is right to say I back some forms of "insurance", but I do not
back many of the ones those on the right side of the political fence do.
Can Klaus say the same? Will he denounce those forms of "insurance", the
use of our tax money to back such things? I doubt it.
Heck, I doubt he even understood what I wrote. :)
Snit
2019-01-12 02:33:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Snit
Post by Clave
On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 18:28:49 -0700, Snit
Post by Snit
...
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost.  Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid for
by the rich.  Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything.
Snit LOVES the idea of forcing everyone to buy "insurance."
Whereas you love the idea of taking it away from everyone.
I do love the idea that we all pay
Bzzzzzzzzt.  There is your lie.
You don't want us to ALL pay, you want
some to pay inordinate amounts, and others to pay none at all, and
others to pay some.
I want all who can pay to do so.
Who pays for those that can't?
Those who can. Of course. We do not say that if a single person in the
US (or even a city) is disabled we have no military or police or fire
department, no schools or roads or health care or unemployment
insurance, etc.

Maybe you are asking something deeper... but this seems like such an
obvious and shallow question.
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Do you want disabled vets to pay? Three
years olds? Mentally handicapped orphans?
If we all get the same benefit, then we should all pay the same amount.
That's equality, bro.
Propose a system based on equality, and then we can talk.
So unless the a toddler can pay for the military we should not have one?
A toddler's contribution is paid for by the parents.  You know that.
You said "we should all pay the same amount". Now you say some should
have their payments covered by others.
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Not sure what you are proposing.
I haven't proposed anything, you have.
So you have no counter to my idea that we should have a system where
people all pay a fair share... with those with more money putting in
more because they can. You might not like it but pragmatically we cannot
do anything else. And given the massive benefits the wealthy get there
is no moral issue with it, nor any on the opposite side for those who
cannot pay.
Post by Peter Franks
You touted it as equal (we all
pay), and then retracted it to an unequal system.
I want an equal system.
You said you had not proposed anything. Here you do... saying you, like
me, back a system where people are treated equally.

So how is your system different than the one I speak of?
Post by Peter Franks
You don't.
Post by Snit
Post by Snit
into, say, military "insurance" --
where no matter if someone is rich or poor, they are protected by the
military. Same with the police. They should not be checking your bank
account or your level of donations or even your tax bracket to decide if
they help you. Same with firemen and with those who make the roads, even
the poor parts of town should have well maintained roads. I believe we
should have this for much of education and health care, and, sure, if we
want to call these things "taxes" or "insurance" or the like I am find
with it. I also believe this should go for safe food and water and air
-- we should all pay into a system where there is food and water and air
safety maintained -- and even for other consumer products. Even pencils.
This does not mean a rich person cannot buy an expensive pencil or a
poor person should be just handed pencils, but any pencil you buy on the
market should not have lead paint, for example. When you go to a
restaurant, whether low end or high, you should have government
oversight to reduce the chance you will get food poisoning.
What I do not believe in such "insurance" for is paying a wealthy man to
have meal. While I believe in safety nets, there is no moral basis for a
wealthy person to get more deducted from the cost of a single business
meal (with the government covering the rest) than a poor family of four
gets in SNAP benefits for a week. There is no reason to cover the cost
of entertainment for the rich, nor to allow them to have their UNEARNED
income be taxed at a lower rate than the poor man's EARNED income. There
is no reason to have "insurance", or government payments, to cover the
cost of labor. If McDonald's or Walmart want to hire labor that is fine
-- it is a good thing -- but they should cover the full cost, no forced
government "insurance" on all of us to cover that cost.
Would love to hear your thoughts on this.
You have no thoughts on this. Do you have any point other than to say
you want to claim I am wrong even as you say you also back equal rights
(which is what I am backing)?

If not, of course, you have no point other than your desire for attention.
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Snit
So Klaus is right to say I back some forms of "insurance", but I do not
back many of the ones those on the right side of the political fence do.
Can Klaus say the same? Will he denounce those forms of "insurance", the
use of our tax money to back such things? I doubt it.
Heck, I doubt he even understood what I wrote. :)
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Snit
2019-01-10 14:30:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Clave
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Snit
...
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost.  Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid for
by the rich.  Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything.
Snit LOVES the idea of forcing everyone to buy "insurance."
Whereas you love the idea of taking it away from everyone.
I do love the idea that we all pay
Bzzzzzzzzt.  There is your lie.  You don't want us to ALL pay, you want
some to pay inordinate amounts, and others to pay none at all, and
others to pay some.
If we all get the same benefit, then we should all pay the same amount.
That's equality, bro.
Propose a system based on equality, and then we can talk.
My system is based on equality. And I talk about it below. By all means
respond when you feel up to it.
Post by Snit
into, say, military "insurance" -- where no matter if someone is rich
or poor, they are protected by the military. Same with the police.
They should not be checking your bank account or your level of
donations or even your tax bracket to decide if they help you. Same
with firemen and with those who make the roads, even the poor parts of
town should have well maintained roads. I believe we should have this
for much of education and health care, and, sure, if we want to call
these things "taxes" or "insurance" or the like I am find with it. I
also believe this should go for safe food and water and air -- we
should all pay into a system where there is food and water and air
safety maintained -- and even for other consumer products. Even
pencils. This does not mean a rich person cannot buy an expensive
pencil or a poor person should be just handed pencils, but any pencil
you buy on the market should not have lead paint, for example. When
you go to a restaurant, whether low end or high, you should have
government oversight to reduce the chance you will get food poisoning.
What I do not believe in such "insurance" for is paying a wealthy man
to have meal. While I believe in safety nets, there is no moral basis
for a wealthy person to get more deducted from the cost of a single
business meal (with the government covering the rest) than a poor
family of four gets in SNAP benefits for a week. There is no reason to
cover the cost of entertainment for the rich, nor to allow them to
have their UNEARNED income be taxed at a lower rate than the poor
man's EARNED income. There is no reason to have "insurance", or
government payments, to cover the cost of labor. If McDonald's or
Walmart want to hire labor that is fine -- it is a good thing -- but
they should cover the full cost, no forced government "insurance" on
all of us to cover that cost.
So Klaus is right to say I back some forms of "insurance", but I do
not back many of the ones those on the right side of the political
fence do.
Can Klaus say the same? Will he denounce those forms of "insurance",
the use of our tax money to back such things? I doubt it.
Heck, I doubt he even understood what I wrote. :)
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Klaus Schadenfreude
2019-01-10 14:38:48 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 07:30:52 -0700, Snit
Post by Snit
My system is based on equality.
"Laugh laugh laugh laugh."
-Lee Harrison 1957-2012, RIP

No, it's not. It's based on forcing people to have "insurance" or pay
fines at the point of a gun.
Peter Franks
2019-01-12 02:37:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 07:30:52 -0700, Snit
Post by Snit
My system is based on equality.
"Laugh laugh laugh laugh."
-Lee Harrison 1957-2012, RIP
No, it's not. It's based on forcing people to have "insurance" or pay
fines at the point of a gun.
The problem is that health insurance (and in fact health care) have
absolutely /nothing/ to do with rights, and are ipso facto outside of
the authority of a just government.
Snit
2019-01-12 02:52:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 07:30:52 -0700, Snit
Post by Snit
My system is based on equality.
"Laugh laugh laugh laugh."
  -Lee Harrison 1957-2012, RIP
No, it's not. It's based on forcing people to have "insurance" or pay
fines at the point of a gun.
The problem is that health insurance (and in fact health care) have
absolutely /nothing/ to do with rights, and are ipso facto outside of
the authority of a just government.
A poor person should not die for lack of basic health care. The US is
one of the few industrialized countries which would even consider such a
thing reasonable.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Klaus Schadenfreude
2019-01-12 12:50:17 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:52:08 -0700, Snit
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 07:30:52 -0700, Snit
Post by Snit
My system is based on equality.
"Laugh laugh laugh laugh."
  -Lee Harrison 1957-2012, RIP
No, it's not. It's based on forcing people to have "insurance" or pay
fines at the point of a gun.
The problem is that health insurance (and in fact health care) have
absolutely /nothing/ to do with rights, and are ipso facto outside of
the authority of a just government.
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Post by Snit
A poor person should not die for lack of basic health care.
We're taking about rights, dumb ass troll.
Clave
2019-01-12 02:53:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 07:30:52 -0700, Snit
Post by Snit
My system is based on equality.
"Laugh laugh laugh laugh."
  -Lee Harrison 1957-2012, RIP
No, it's not. It's based on forcing people to have "insurance" or pay
fines at the point of a gun.
The problem is that health insurance (and in fact health care) have
absolutely /nothing/ to do with rights, and are ipso facto outside of
the authority of a just government.
LOFL -- only if you get to define what "just" means.
Snit
2019-01-12 02:58:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Clave
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 07:30:52 -0700, Snit
Post by Snit
My system is based on equality.
"Laugh laugh laugh laugh."
  -Lee Harrison 1957-2012, RIP
No, it's not. It's based on forcing people to have "insurance" or pay
fines at the point of a gun.
The problem is that health insurance (and in fact health care) have
absolutely /nothing/ to do with rights, and are ipso facto outside of
the authority of a just government.
LOFL -- only if you get to define what "just" means.
I am guessing the libertarian idea where one pretends it is possible to
be fiscally conservative, which leads to socially conservative outcomes,
AND also be socially liberal.

Ayn Rand vibes. :)
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Clave
2019-01-12 03:15:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Snit
Post by Clave
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 07:30:52 -0700, Snit
Post by Snit
My system is based on equality.
"Laugh laugh laugh laugh."
  -Lee Harrison 1957-2012, RIP
No, it's not. It's based on forcing people to have "insurance" or pay
fines at the point of a gun.
The problem is that health insurance (and in fact health care) have
absolutely /nothing/ to do with rights, and are ipso facto outside of
the authority of a just government.
LOFL -- only if you get to define what "just" means.
I am guessing the libertarian idea where one pretends it is possible to
be fiscally conservative, which leads to socially conservative outcomes,
AND also be socially liberal.
Ayn Rand vibes. :)
Well-taken, but I was hooked by how he tried to hide an obvious argument
by assertion by smothering it in appeal to authority sauce.
Snit
2019-01-12 03:19:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Clave
Post by Snit
Post by Clave
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 07:30:52 -0700, Snit
Post by Snit
My system is based on equality.
"Laugh laugh laugh laugh."
  -Lee Harrison 1957-2012, RIP
No, it's not. It's based on forcing people to have "insurance" or pay
fines at the point of a gun.
The problem is that health insurance (and in fact health care) have
absolutely /nothing/ to do with rights, and are ipso facto outside
of the authority of a just government.
LOFL -- only if you get to define what "just" means.
I am guessing the libertarian idea where one pretends it is possible
to be fiscally conservative, which leads to socially conservative
outcomes, AND also be socially liberal.
Ayn Rand vibes. :)
Well-taken, but I was hooked by how he tried to hide an obvious argument
by assertion by smothering it in appeal to authority sauce.
But to be fair, it is just a guess on my part -- I do not want it to
come across like he has said this directly or I am able to speak for
him. If he says I am wrong then so be it. We shall see.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Clave
2019-01-12 04:06:05 UTC
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My system is based on equality.
"Laugh laugh laugh laugh."
  -Lee Harrison 1957-2012, RIP
No, it's not. It's based on forcing people to have "insurance" or pay
fines at the point of a gun.
The problem is that health insurance (and in fact health care) have
absolutely /nothing/ to do with rights, and are ipso facto outside
of the authority of a just government.
LOFL -- only if you get to define what "just" means.
I am guessing the libertarian idea where one pretends it is possible
to be fiscally conservative, which leads to socially conservative
outcomes, AND also be socially liberal.
Ayn Rand vibes. :)
Well-taken, but I was hooked by how he tried to hide an obvious
argument by assertion by smothering it in appeal to authority sauce.
But to be fair, it is just a guess on my part -- I do not want it to
come across like he has said this directly or I am able to speak for
him. If he says I am wrong then so be it. We shall see.
Sure -- let's see him untangle his own words.
Peter Franks
2019-01-12 02:34:48 UTC
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So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost.  Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid for
by the rich.  Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything.
Snit LOVES the idea of forcing everyone to buy "insurance."
Whereas you love the idea of taking it away from everyone.
I do love the idea that we all pay
Bzzzzzzzzt.  There is your lie.  You don't want us to ALL pay, you
want some to pay inordinate amounts, and others to pay none at all,
and others to pay some.
If we all get the same benefit, then we should all pay the same amount.
That's equality, bro.
Propose a system based on equality, and then we can talk.
My system is based on equality. And I talk about it below. By all means
respond when you feel up to it.
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into, say, military "insurance" -- where no matter if someone is rich
or poor, they are protected by the military. Same with the police.
They should not be checking your bank account or your level of
donations or even your tax bracket to decide if they help you. Same
with firemen and with those who make the roads, even the poor parts
of town should have well maintained roads. I believe we should have
this for much of education and health care, and, sure, if we want to
call these things "taxes" or "insurance" or the like I am find with
it. I also believe this should go for safe food and water and air --
we should all pay into a system where there is food and water and air
safety maintained -- and even for other consumer products. Even
pencils. This does not mean a rich person cannot buy an expensive
pencil or a poor person should be just handed pencils, but any pencil
you buy on the market should not have lead paint, for example. When
you go to a restaurant, whether low end or high, you should have
government oversight to reduce the chance you will get food poisoning.
What I do not believe in such "insurance" for is paying a wealthy man
to have meal. While I believe in safety nets, there is no moral basis
for a wealthy person to get more deducted from the cost of a single
business meal (with the government covering the rest) than a poor
family of four gets in SNAP benefits for a week. There is no reason
to cover the cost of entertainment for the rich, nor to allow them to
have their UNEARNED income be taxed at a lower rate than the poor
man's EARNED income. There is no reason to have "insurance", or
government payments, to cover the cost of labor. If McDonald's or
Walmart want to hire labor that is fine -- it is a good thing -- but
they should cover the full cost, no forced government "insurance" on
all of us to cover that cost.
Fundamentally, there is one equality, no one pays nothin' to nobody;
they are responsible for their own welfare and well-being. Anarchy.

In an organized society there are expenses associated with the benefits
of a group:

Under one model, each is equally obligated, an assessment. This has the
unfortunate effect, however, of weakening the family, but it is the most
fair in that the obligation is spread equally among the members of the
society. It also has the added benefit of keeping the assessment low
(unnecessary government expenditures are immediately felt by all).

Under another model, each is equally but proportionally obligated
according to some measure (e.g. income), but the rate is equal among
all. This has a tendency to burden the less wealthy disproportionately,
but is only an issue when the government expenditures are excessive
and/or unnecessary.

I'm fine w/ either. I'm not fine with a progressive system on any front.
Snit
2019-01-12 02:51:27 UTC
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So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost.  Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid for
by the rich.  Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything.
Snit LOVES the idea of forcing everyone to buy "insurance."
Whereas you love the idea of taking it away from everyone.
I do love the idea that we all pay
Bzzzzzzzzt.  There is your lie.  You don't want us to ALL pay, you
want some to pay inordinate amounts, and others to pay none at all,
and others to pay some.
If we all get the same benefit, then we should all pay the same amount.
That's equality, bro.
Propose a system based on equality, and then we can talk.
My system is based on equality. And I talk about it below. By all
means respond when you feel up to it.
Post by Snit
into, say, military "insurance" -- where no matter if someone is
rich or poor, they are protected by the military. Same with the
police. They should not be checking your bank account or your level
of donations or even your tax bracket to decide if they help you.
Same with firemen and with those who make the roads, even the poor
parts of town should have well maintained roads. I believe we should
have this for much of education and health care, and, sure, if we
want to call these things "taxes" or "insurance" or the like I am
find with it. I also believe this should go for safe food and water
and air -- we should all pay into a system where there is food and
water and air safety maintained -- and even for other consumer
products. Even pencils. This does not mean a rich person cannot buy
an expensive pencil or a poor person should be just handed pencils,
but any pencil you buy on the market should not have lead paint, for
example. When you go to a restaurant, whether low end or high, you
should have government oversight to reduce the chance you will get
food poisoning.
What I do not believe in such "insurance" for is paying a wealthy
man to have meal. While I believe in safety nets, there is no moral
basis for a wealthy person to get more deducted from the cost of a
single business meal (with the government covering the rest) than a
poor family of four gets in SNAP benefits for a week. There is no
reason to cover the cost of entertainment for the rich, nor to allow
them to have their UNEARNED income be taxed at a lower rate than the
poor man's EARNED income. There is no reason to have "insurance", or
government payments, to cover the cost of labor. If McDonald's or
Walmart want to hire labor that is fine -- it is a good thing -- but
they should cover the full cost, no forced government "insurance" on
all of us to cover that cost.
Fundamentally, there is one equality, no one pays nothin' to nobody;
they are responsible for their own welfare and well-being.  Anarchy.
So to have equal rights you want no government. LOL!
Post by Peter Franks
In an organized society there are expenses associated with the benefits
Under one model, each is equally obligated, an assessment.  This has the
unfortunate effect, however, of weakening the family, but it is the most
fair in that the obligation is spread equally among the members of the
society.  It also has the added benefit of keeping the assessment low
(unnecessary government expenditures are immediately felt by all).
And some cannot pay. And some can barely pay. Your system here is
literally not possible.
Post by Peter Franks
Under another model, each is equally but proportionally obligated
according to some measure (e.g. income), but the rate is equal among
all.  This has a tendency to burden the less wealthy disproportionately,
but is only an issue when the government expenditures are excessive
and/or unnecessary.
This is also not possible. The very poor cannot afford what you ask of them.
Post by Peter Franks
I'm fine w/ either.  I'm not fine with a progressive system on any front.
Right now, though, most pay about 30% of their income in taxes. The very
poor pay less than 20&, and the very rich also pay lower than the middle
class (but not by much).

The idea we have a progressive system where the rich pay more, though,
is a myth.

And that is just for DECLARED income. For the very rich likely take off
another 10% or more.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Scout
2019-01-10 05:28:07 UTC
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So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost. Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid for
by the rich. Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything.
Snit LOVES the idea of forcing everyone to buy "insurance."
So does the mob.
Snit
2019-01-10 05:54:45 UTC
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So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost. Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid for
by the rich. Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything.
Snit LOVES the idea of forcing everyone to buy "insurance."
So does the mob.
No more military or police or roads or Internet. Brilliant economic minds
you two are.
Peter Franks
2019-01-12 02:38:40 UTC
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So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost. Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid for
by the rich. Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything.
Snit LOVES the idea of forcing everyone to buy "insurance."
So does the mob.
No more military or police
Those are both rooted in the protection of rights (life, liberty,
happiness, et alii).
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or roads or Internet.
Neither of those are within the authority of a just government.
Post by Snit
Brilliant economic minds
you two are.
What about me?!
Snit
2019-01-12 02:54:47 UTC
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Post by Snit
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost.  Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid for
by the rich.  Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything.
Snit LOVES the idea of forcing everyone to buy "insurance."
So does the mob.
No more military or police
Those are both rooted in the protection of rights (life, liberty,
happiness, et alii).
They both take money. And health care is about protection of life, too.
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
or roads or Internet.
Neither of those are within the authority of a just government.
Ah, you are a libertarian... am I right?
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Post by Snit
Brilliant economic minds
you two are.
What about me?!
If you are a libertarian it applies just as much to you. :)
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Scout
2019-01-12 03:16:55 UTC
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So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost. Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid for
by the rich. Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything.
Snit LOVES the idea of forcing everyone to buy "insurance."
So does the mob.
No more military or police
Snit desperately attempts to change the subject.
Snit
2019-01-12 06:44:31 UTC
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So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost. Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid for
by the rich. Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything.
Snit LOVES the idea of forcing everyone to buy "insurance."
So does the mob.
No more military or police or roads or Internet. Brilliant economic minds
you two are.
Scout responded saying he could not follow what was being said.
Peter Franks
2019-01-10 03:53:13 UTC
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So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost.  Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid
for by the rich.  Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything. What we are talking about is doing what is morally
right. What we are talking about is MOST people paying less than they do
now and getting better service.
Right, you are advocating for an unequal system.
Snit
2019-01-10 05:03:15 UTC
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So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost.  Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid
for by the rich.  Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything. What we are talking about is doing what is morally
right. What we are talking about is MOST people paying less than they do
now and getting better service.
Right, you are advocating for an unequal system.
How so?
Peter Franks
2019-01-12 02:39:29 UTC
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So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost.  Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid
for by the rich.  Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything. What we are talking about is doing what is morally
right. What we are talking about is MOST people paying less than they do
now and getting better service.
Right, you are advocating for an unequal system.
How so?
Some pay.

Some don't.

Explain how that is equal.
Snit
2019-01-12 02:47:33 UTC
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So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost.  Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid
for by the rich.  Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything. What we are talking about is doing what is morally
right. What we are talking about is MOST people paying less than they do
now and getting better service.
Right, you are advocating for an unequal system.
How so?
Some pay.
Some don't.
Explain how that is equal.
We are not talking about buying a toaster... we are talking about
running the government. The only way to do so is to have those who can
pay more do so, and those who cannot pay at all not pay.

If you can think of a better system I would love to hear it.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Avenging Angel
2019-01-12 17:53:20 UTC
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What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything. What we are talking about is doing what is morally
right. What we are talking about is MOST people paying less than they do
now and getting better service.
Ya mean like Europe you fucking moron?
Snit
2019-01-12 18:41:23 UTC
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Post by Snit
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything. What we are talking about is doing what is morally
right. What we are talking about is MOST people paying less than they do
now and getting better service.
Ya mean like Europe you fucking moron?
Do you think the industrialized nations are all in Europe?

Also note your dodge.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2019-01-12 18:49:50 UTC
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What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything. What we are talking about is doing what is morally
right. What we are talking about is MOST people paying less than they do
now and getting better service.
Ya mean like Europe you fucking moron?
Do you think the industrialized nations are all in Europe?
He offered that as an example. Sorry it makes you so angry because it
reveals the racism and bigotry of the left.
Post by Snit
Also note my dodge.
We did
Malcolm McMahon
2019-01-10 15:00:11 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
   Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost. Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid for
by the rich. Please get your facts straight.
That's what is understood as universal healthcare in most countries, because "universal" implies the availability to those that can't afford it.

Yes, universal health care _is_ redistributive, but nobody _chooses_ to need it.
Snit
2019-01-12 04:39:16 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say — and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
Mattb
2019-01-12 05:39:31 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say — and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
Snit
2019-01-12 05:56:06 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say — and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
Mattb
2019-01-12 06:28:58 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say — and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
Snit
2019-01-12 06:44:32 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say — and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Mattb
2019-01-12 07:10:59 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say — and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.

I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
Snit
2019-01-12 07:37:51 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say — and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.

Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
Mattb
2019-01-12 19:24:45 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Ted
2019-01-12 19:47:35 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
Mattb
2019-01-12 20:22:08 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
He is deceptive in how he post. I would like to know what he meant by
"You would need to control the truth". How does one "control the
truth".
%
2019-01-12 20:27:44 UTC
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Post by Snit
On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
He is deceptive in how he post. I would like to know what he meant by
"You would need to control the truth". How does one "control the
truth".
don't tell it
Mattb
2019-01-12 21:01:39 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
He is deceptive in how he post. I would like to know what he meant by
"You would need to control the truth". How does one "control the
truth".
don't tell it
That does seem to be the way of the far left. They already have the
antifa/browshirts and also follow this "“But the most brilliant
propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental
principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention.
It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.
Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most
important requirement for success.”
Adolf Hitler

The there is where the leftist progressive got their gun control
policy from "“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be
to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches
that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms
have prepared their own downfall by doing so.”
Adolf Hitler

They need law abiding citizens disarmed.

They may have more of a agenda of Lenin but they sure learned much
from Hitler.
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Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped
half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and
fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth.  You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"?   Do you mean control the
media?   Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting.  His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
He is deceptive in how he post.  I would like to know what he meant by
"You would need to control the truth".  How does one "control the
truth".
don't tell it
Trump tries to control what is seen as truth.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
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2019-01-12 21:13:16 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
He is deceptive in how he post. I would like to know what he meant by
"You would need to control the truth". How does one "control the
truth".
Show the context. I do not recall ever saying that and it certainly does
not represent my view.

But it is fair to ask me, just as I ask you about your views on climate
change. Your response is to say I am wrong about your view but not say how.


With truth we should try to understand it the best we can. The best way to
do so is through science, at least in general, and for non-personal
questions.

But not sure what you mean by controlling truth.
Mattb
2019-01-12 21:20:07 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
He is deceptive in how he post. I would like to know what he meant by
"You would need to control the truth". How does one "control the
truth".
Show the context. I do not recall ever saying that and it certainly does
not represent my view.
But it is fair to ask me, just as I ask you about your views on climate
change. Your response is to say I am wrong about your view but not say how.
Where in this post are we talking about "climate change"?
Post by Snit
With truth we should try to understand it the best we can. The best way to
do so is through science, at least in general, and for non-personal
questions.
But not sure what you mean by controlling truth.
I have no idea why you brought that up or what you meant by it.
Snit
2019-01-13 01:42:07 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
He is deceptive in how he post. I would like to know what he meant by
"You would need to control the truth". How does one "control the
truth".
Show the context. I do not recall ever saying that and it certainly does
not represent my view.
But it is fair to ask me, just as I ask you about your views on climate
change. Your response is to say I am wrong about your view but not say how.
Where in this post are we talking about "climate change"?
I am noting how we should respond when someone says we said something.
You claim I said "You would need to control the truth". I think you made
that up, but maybe it is grossly out of context or something. Fine.
Instead of freaking out over you saying it I explained my view on
"truth" and our acceptance of it (as opposed to control of it, whatever
that means).

But look at what happens when I note things YOU have said. You freak out
and say you will not even discuss it. You call me names and spew
insults. You act like a child.

Even with that I give you chance after chance. Here the current list of
the lies you told about climate change. If you think I am misstating
your view on any of these by all means clarify. I would love to see you
act in such a mature way:

1) Those who accept the science cite only scientists with the
most extreme views

2) Mainstream scientific opinion varies quite a bit about
how much humans contribute to climate change. Other times
you insist the amount is known but "minuscule".

3) It is trending warmer but that isn't necessarily bad nor is it
certain the trend will continue.

4) [We] pretend we can control the climate.

5) Stopping or even reducing the change caused by humans is impossible.

6) The alternative is a plunge into the next glaciation period.

(When faced with your own lie there even you responded: "That's not an
alternative, it's a possibility. Have a fifth grader explain the
difference between those two.")

7) The IPCC reports are not well based on scientific evidence, and
is filled with unsupported "doom-and-gloom prophecies".

8) The current sea level rise is only "slightly influenced by
human activity".

9) Climate models ignore natural activity and focus only on
human factors.

10) Scientists try to draw significance from very short term
data and never look at the big picture.

11) There are so many other factors that drive climate which we can't
control or predict it.

12) Those who accept the science thing "we can dial up whatever
climate we choose".

13) Climate scientists only look at the negative effects of a
warmer climate while ignoring the positives.

These are all complete fabrications on your part. The closest you will
ever get is with #2 where there is SOME level of disagreement in the
models, but to claim they are as different as you push is insanely wrong.
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
With truth we should try to understand it the best we can. The best way to
do so is through science, at least in general, and for non-personal
questions.
But not sure what you mean by controlling truth.
I have no idea why you brought that up or what you meant by it.
So you think I said it but cannot recall or find what context, and do
not even know what was meant.

I think you are simply wrong that I ever said it... but in case I did,
or even if I did not, elsewhere I went into quite some detail on my
views on the topic you claimed I was wrong about.

Happy to dig it up and quote it for you if needed.

And, fact it, you will NOT be that generous in terms of your ideas I
have shown to you. You will dodge them again. You will blame me.

This is completely predictable.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
He is deceptive in how he post. I would like to know what he meant by
"You would need to control the truth". How does one "control the
truth".
Show the context. I do not recall ever saying that and it certainly does
not represent my view.
But it is fair to ask me, just as I ask you about your views on climate
change. Your response is to say I am wrong about your view but not say how.
With truth we should try to understand it the best we can. The best way to
do so is through science, at least in general, and for non-personal
questions.
But not sure what you mean by controlling truth.
its when i tell you what to do truthfully and you do it
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2019-01-12 21:29:32 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
He is deceptive in how he post. I would like to know what he meant by
"You would need to control the truth". How does one "control the
truth".
Show the context. I do not recall ever saying that and it certainly does
not represent my view.
But it is fair to ask me, just as I ask you about your views on climate
change. Your response is to say I am wrong about your view but not say how.
With truth we should try to understand it the best we can. The best way to
do so is through science, at least in general, and for non-personal
questions.
But not sure what you mean by controlling truth.
its when i tell you what to do truthfully and you do it
Is that what Trump does?
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
He is deceptive in how he post. I would like to know what he meant by
"You would need to control the truth". How does one "control the
truth".
Show the context. I do not recall ever saying that and it certainly does
not represent my view.
But it is fair to ask me, just as I ask you about your views on climate
change. Your response is to say I am wrong about your view but not say how.
With truth we should try to understand it the best we can. The best way to
do so is through science, at least in general, and for non-personal
questions.
But not sure what you mean by controlling truth.
its when i tell you what to do truthfully and you do it
Is that what Trump does?
sometimes but he usually lies and does it
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2019-01-12 21:35:11 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
He is deceptive in how he post. I would like to know what he meant by
"You would need to control the truth". How does one "control the
truth".
Show the context. I do not recall ever saying that and it certainly does
not represent my view.
But it is fair to ask me, just as I ask you about your views on climate
change. Your response is to say I am wrong about your view but not say how.
With truth we should try to understand it the best we can. The best way to
do so is through science, at least in general, and for non-personal
questions.
But not sure what you mean by controlling truth.
its when i tell you what to do truthfully and you do it
Is that what Trump does?
sometimes but he usually lies and does it
Maybe like Snit he considers it the truth and then lies to get you to
do it or at least accept it.

Then again Nancy Pelosi isn't any better.

Someone here claims the USA has spent more than Trump is asking
because of the shutdown or will spend. This whole wall mess is stupid
from both sides.
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
He is deceptive in how he post. I would like to know what he meant by
"You would need to control the truth". How does one "control the
truth".
Show the context. I do not recall ever saying that and it certainly does
not represent my view.
But it is fair to ask me, just as I ask you about your views on climate
change. Your response is to say I am wrong about your view but not say how.
With truth we should try to understand it the best we can. The best way to
do so is through science, at least in general, and for non-personal
questions.
But not sure what you mean by controlling truth.
its when i tell you what to do truthfully and you do it
Is that what Trump does?
sometimes but he usually lies and does it
Maybe like Snit he considers it the truth and then lies to get you to
do it or at least accept it.
Then again Nancy Pelosi isn't any better.
Someone here claims the USA has spent more than Trump is asking
because of the shutdown or will spend. This whole wall mess is stupid
from both sides.
if you don't live there it's funny as all get out
Mattb
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
He is deceptive in how he post. I would like to know what he meant by
"You would need to control the truth". How does one "control the
truth".
Show the context. I do not recall ever saying that and it certainly does
not represent my view.
But it is fair to ask me, just as I ask you about your views on climate
change. Your response is to say I am wrong about your view but not say how.
With truth we should try to understand it the best we can. The best way to
do so is through science, at least in general, and for non-personal
questions.
But not sure what you mean by controlling truth.
its when i tell you what to do truthfully and you do it
Is that what Trump does?
sometimes but he usually lies and does it
Maybe like Snit he considers it the truth and then lies to get you to
do it or at least accept it.
Then again Nancy Pelosi isn't any better.
Someone here claims the USA has spent more than Trump is asking
because of the shutdown or will spend. This whole wall mess is stupid
from both sides.
if you don't live there it's funny as all get out
You should feel sorry for the moderate Americans as we are under the
control of the crazies of the right and left.
Snit
2019-01-13 04:28:27 UTC
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Maybe like Snit he considers it the truth and then lies to get you to
do it or at least accept it.
Then again Nancy Pelosi isn't any better.
Someone here claims the USA has spent more than Trump is asking
because of the shutdown or will spend. This whole wall mess is stupid
from both sides.
if you don't live there it's funny as all get out
You should feel sorry for the moderate Americans as we are under the
control of the crazies of the right and left.
Agreed -- there are crazies on both sides. But right now we are under
the biggest attack by the right. Even much of the Democratic party is
much like the older Republican party ('80s and '90s, not Lincoln era).
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
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2019-01-13 01:30:59 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
He is deceptive in how he post. I would like to know what he meant by
"You would need to control the truth". How does one "control the
truth".
Show the context. I do not recall ever saying that and it certainly does
not represent my view.
But it is fair to ask me, just as I ask you about your views on climate
change. Your response is to say I am wrong about your view but not say how.
With truth we should try to understand it the best we can. The best way to
do so is through science, at least in general, and for non-personal
questions.
But not sure what you mean by controlling truth.
its when i tell you what to do truthfully and you do it
Is that what Trump does?
sometimes but he usually lies and does it
Maybe like Snit he considers it the truth and then lies to get you to
do it or at least accept it.
Examples? Please be as specific as you can be.

But you will not. You are merely pushing insults and trying to put me on
the defensive. It is a game you play.
Post by Mattb
Then again Nancy Pelosi isn't any better.
Someone here claims the USA has spent more than Trump is asking
because of the shutdown or will spend. This whole wall mess is stupid
from both sides.
The shutdown may very well end up costing more than $5.7 billion. The
Democrats still should not give in to Trump's demands. They should back
strong border security, back increased tech, back improving our physical
barrier where evidence shows that will help (there is not much of that),
etc. But they should not give into Trump's desire to bloat his ego.

Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall. He lied.

Trump said the wall would be across the whole border.
Trump said the wall will NOT be across the whole border.

Trump said he would take full credit for the shut down.
Trump blamed the Democrats for the shut down.

Trump said the wall would be made out of concrete.
Trump said the wall would be made out of steel beams.

Trump said the wall will cost $5.7 billion... which is far less than any
wall fitting any of his comments would actually cost.

Trump has said there is a crisis at the border... but did NOT mean his
own created crisis of so many kids in cages.

Trump failed to fund the wall when his own party controlled the House
and Senate.

Trump has repeatedly made up different stories as to why the wall needs
to be made.

Trump failed to consider how to fund the wall when he pushed a massive
tax cut to the wealthy that was not funded in any way and for which we
will be paying for over a very long time.

On and on and on. Trump has no reasonable stance here. If the Democrats
give into him now the whole country will pay the cost of giving him the
message that he can push whatever idiotic idea jumps into his head at
any given time.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Mattb
2019-01-13 02:54:20 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
He is deceptive in how he post. I would like to know what he meant by
"You would need to control the truth". How does one "control the
truth".
Show the context. I do not recall ever saying that and it certainly does
not represent my view.
But it is fair to ask me, just as I ask you about your views on climate
change. Your response is to say I am wrong about your view but not say how.
With truth we should try to understand it the best we can. The best way to
do so is through science, at least in general, and for non-personal
questions.
But not sure what you mean by controlling truth.
its when i tell you what to do truthfully and you do it
Is that what Trump does?
sometimes but he usually lies and does it
Maybe like Snit he considers it the truth and then lies to get you to
do it or at least accept it.
Examples? Please be as specific as you can be.
But you will not. You are merely pushing insults and trying to put me on
the defensive. It is a game you play.
Wasn't posting to you, you no longer matter as you are 1/2 bozo now.
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Then again Nancy Pelosi isn't any better.
Someone here claims the USA has spent more than Trump is asking
because of the shutdown or will spend. This whole wall mess is stupid
from both sides.
The shutdown may very well end up costing more than $5.7 billion. The
Democrats still should not give in to Trump's demands. They should back
strong border security, back increased tech, back improving our physical
barrier where evidence shows that will help (there is not much of that),
etc. But they should not give into Trump's desire to bloat his ego.
Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall. He lied.
Trump said the wall would be across the whole border.
Trump said the wall will NOT be across the whole border.
Trump said he would take full credit for the shut down.
Trump blamed the Democrats for the shut down.
Trump said the wall would be made out of concrete.
Trump said the wall would be made out of steel beams.
Trump said the wall will cost $5.7 billion... which is far less than any
wall fitting any of his comments would actually cost.
Trump has said there is a crisis at the border... but did NOT mean his
own created crisis of so many kids in cages.
Trump failed to fund the wall when his own party controlled the House
and Senate.
Trump has repeatedly made up different stories as to why the wall needs
to be made.
Trump failed to consider how to fund the wall when he pushed a massive
tax cut to the wealthy that was not funded in any way and for which we
will be paying for over a very long time.
On and on and on. Trump has no reasonable stance here. If the Democrats
give into him now the whole country will pay the cost of giving him the
message that he can push whatever idiotic idea jumps into his head at
any given time.
Then we have 2 sides that won't bend and this might go on for a month.
If the Dems won't bend they are equally to blame no matter what CNN
says.

Trump is a idiot and Nancy Pelosi is just as much of one.

The border does need some work maybe just in the area those 2 kids
came across so no more kids die.
Snit
2019-01-13 04:34:50 UTC
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With truth we should try to understand it the best we can. The best way to
do so is through science, at least in general, and for non-personal
questions.
But not sure what you mean by controlling truth.
its when i tell you what to do truthfully and you do it
Is that what Trump does?
sometimes but he usually lies and does it
Maybe like Snit he considers it the truth and then lies to get you to
do it or at least accept it.
Examples? Please be as specific as you can be.
But you will not. You are merely pushing insults and trying to put me on
the defensive. It is a game you play.
Wasn't posting to you, you no longer matter as you are 1/2 bozo now.
As predicted you have nothing to back up your accusation. You just
pulled "controlling truth" out of your butt, at best pulling a sentence
FAR out of context.

Did I do as you do when faced with your lies, below? Did I run and
scream and call you names? Nope. I did not sink to your level. Instead I
spent some time to explain my view on the topic -- or as much of a topic
as you had.
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Then again Nancy Pelosi isn't any better.
Someone here claims the USA has spent more than Trump is asking
because of the shutdown or will spend. This whole wall mess is stupid
from both sides.
The shutdown may very well end up costing more than $5.7 billion. The
Democrats still should not give in to Trump's demands. They should back
strong border security, back increased tech, back improving our physical
barrier where evidence shows that will help (there is not much of that),
etc. But they should not give into Trump's desire to bloat his ego.
Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall. He lied.
Trump said the wall would be across the whole border.
Trump said the wall will NOT be across the whole border.
Trump said he would take full credit for the shut down.
Trump blamed the Democrats for the shut down.
Trump said the wall would be made out of concrete.
Trump said the wall would be made out of steel beams.
Trump said the wall will cost $5.7 billion... which is far less than any
wall fitting any of his comments would actually cost.
Trump has said there is a crisis at the border... but did NOT mean his
own created crisis of so many kids in cages.
Trump failed to fund the wall when his own party controlled the House
and Senate.
Trump has repeatedly made up different stories as to why the wall needs
to be made.
Trump failed to consider how to fund the wall when he pushed a massive
tax cut to the wealthy that was not funded in any way and for which we
will be paying for over a very long time.
On and on and on. Trump has no reasonable stance here. If the Democrats
give into him now the whole country will pay the cost of giving him the
message that he can push whatever idiotic idea jumps into his head at
any given time.
Then we have 2 sides that won't bend and this might go on for a month.
It is painful... but we should not give in to terrorists. The Democrats
are right to not bend. This does not mean they should stop doing what
they HAVE been doing -- promoting good border security and working to
reduce illegal immigration as we work to help those seeking asylum and
work to improve our immigration process.

There is a risk that they will buy into Trump's crap and just push
back... backing off of some of these things for fear of making him be
able to call this a "win" for him. I hope they do not.
Post by Mattb
If the Dems won't bend they are equally to blame no matter what CNN
says.
I do not see how CNN is in any way relevant here... but, no, the
Democrats are not equally to blame for Trump's lies and tantrums. The
Republicans who refuse to call him out ARE also accountable for that,
though, because it empowers him.
Post by Mattb
Trump is a idiot and Nancy Pelosi is just as much of one.
On this Pelosi is right... which does not mean I back her on all things.
She played Trump well when he did his stupid game of making that first
meeting public. A shame he put her in that position, though.
Post by Mattb
The border does need some work maybe just in the area those 2 kids
came across so no more kids die.
Nobody is suggesting to stop working on border security. Nobody. That is
the lie Trump pushes... and sadly many of his brain-dead enablers buy
into his lie.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
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2019-01-12 21:49:54 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
He is deceptive in how he post. I would like to know what he meant by
"You would need to control the truth". How does one "control the
truth".
Did he explain?
Snit
2019-01-13 01:16:24 UTC
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Post by Ted
Post by Mattb
Post by Ted
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
He is deceptive in how he post. I would like to know what he meant by
"You would need to control the truth". How does one "control the
truth".
Did he explain?
I do not recall even saying that, but if I did there is clearly a LOT of
context missing. But I am happy to discuss my view on ACCEPTING the
truth. I think we should. Easy to say and I think few would disagree,
but I can give specifics where people might:

Gun control: I think we should look at the research and the evidence and
make policies based on that. Does gun law (or set of gun laws) X lead to
fewer suicides, homicides, and accidents? If so then it may very well be
a good law, BUT we also need to look at how it impacts defensive use,
hunting, etc. Look at the risks and the benefits. Even as we do so we
might disagree... even with all the facts there are opinions that
influence our conclusions... things like how we balance safety vs.
rights or risks vs. benefits. I get that. And the answer is not likely
going to be the same in an inner city as it is in a rural area. But we
should UNDERSTAND the truth... not "control" it, whatever that means.

Man made climate change: we know what is accepted by every single
scientific body of national or international standing (or at least is
not denied... and many have no position because it is not relevant to
them). Those are the facts as we best understand them. We should at
least largely accept the facts (again, not "control" them, whatever that
means). And again even with acceptance of the facts there can be
reasonable disagreement.

There. Happy to explain that... the idea Mattb attributes to me is
simply not accurate. If I used that wording it was an error (or grossly
out of context).

I would love to see Mattb now do the same with the comments of his I
have noted. Instead he just screams I am lying... even when I quote him
directly. He DOES seem to want to "control" the facts... or perhaps
better worded, he wants to ignore the facts and push fictions as truths
and then he gets mad when that is called out.

Mattb, I gave a pretty good and complete answer to your claim about me.
Are you willing to do the same in return in response to the list of your
comments I have noted are not accurate?

I will guess not... I am betting you will run. But I am happy to be
proved wrong.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Ted
2019-01-13 01:23:00 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Post by Ted
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
He is deceptive in how he post. I would like to know what he meant by
"You would need to control the truth". How does one "control the
truth".
Post by Ted
Did he explain?
I do not recall even saying that, but if I did there is clearly a LOT of
context missing. But I am happy to discuss my view on ACCEPTING the
truth. I think we should. Easy to say and I think few would disagree, but
Gun control: I think we should look at the research and the evidence and
make policies based on that. Does gun law (or set of gun laws) X lead to
fewer suicides, homicides, and accidents? If so then it may very well be
a good law, BUT we also need to look at how it impacts defensive use,
hunting, etc. Look at the risks and the benefits. Even as we do so we
might disagree... even with all the facts there are opinions that
influence our conclusions... things like how we balance safety vs. rights
or risks vs. benefits. I get that. And the answer is not likely going to
be the same in an inner city as it is in a rural area. But we should
UNDERSTAND the truth... not "control" it, whatever that means.
Man made climate change: we know what is accepted by every single
scientific body of national or international standing (or at least is not
denied... and many have no position because it is not relevant to them).
Those are the facts as we best understand them. We should at least
largely accept the facts (again, not "control" them, whatever that
means). And again even with acceptance of the facts there can be reasonable disagreement.
There. Happy to explain that... the idea Mattb attributes to me is simply
not accurate. If I used that wording it was an error (or grossly out of context).
I would love to see Mattb now do the same with the comments of his I have
noted. Instead he just screams I am lying... even when I quote him
directly. He DOES seem to want to "control" the facts... or perhaps
better worded, he wants to ignore the facts and push fictions as truths
and then he gets mad when that is called out.
Mattb, I gave a pretty good and complete answer to your claim about me.
Are you willing to do the same in return in response to the list of your
comments I have noted are not accurate?
I will guess not... I am betting you will run. But I am happy to be proved wrong.
Thanks for the explanations, Snit.
Snit
2019-01-12 21:13:15 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Snit
Post by Snit
On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
And I welcome disagreements and evidence.

And if we never agree I am fine with that.
Mattb
2019-01-12 21:21:17 UTC
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Post by Ted
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Snit
Post by Snit
On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
And I welcome disagreements and evidence.
And if we never agree I am fine with that.
When I said blacks were as racist as whites you lost it.
%
2019-01-12 21:27:20 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Ted
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Snit
Post by Snit
On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
And I welcome disagreements and evidence.
And if we never agree I am fine with that.
When I said blacks were as racist as whites you lost it.
did someone find it
Ted
2019-01-12 21:49:54 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Ted
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Snit
Post by Snit
On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
And I welcome disagreements and evidence.
And if we never agree I am fine with that.
When I said blacks were as racist as whites you lost it.
That's because they've redefined the word.
%
2019-01-12 21:57:42 UTC
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Post by Ted
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Ted
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Snit
Post by Snit
On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
And I welcome disagreements and evidence.
And if we never agree I am fine with that.
When I said blacks were as racist as whites you lost it.
That's because they've redefined the word.
that's due to the troops that have been pulled out of syria
Snit
2019-01-13 01:22:55 UTC
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Post by Ted
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Ted
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Snit
Post by Snit
On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
And I welcome disagreements and evidence.
And if we never agree I am fine with that.
When I said blacks were as racist as whites you lost it.
That's because they've redefined the word.
There are those who try to say blacks cannot be racist because of power.
I get what they are saying but I agree with you it seems a redefining of
the word or, at best, some rather bizarre hair splitting. Of course
PEOPLE can be racist... black, white, or other. That was never in question.

What I took exception to were blanket statements that blacks are
racists. Not some blacks. Not that they can be. Not that a particular
black person was. But that blacks -- NO QUALIFIERS -- are racists.

That is simply absurd. Even if you think ALL people are racists (which
would imply all blacks are), to single out blacks with no statement of
such context is a form of bigotry.

Additionally, Mattb claimed someone used harsh language based on them
being a Palestinian. Would have to look up the exact wording, but it was
quite clear he was belittling all Palestinians as being crude and
inappropriate. This, too, is clearly a bigoted world view.

I called him out on it. He refused to acknowledge that his comments were
bigoted. Few people would admit to such though. What I noted, though,
was how easy it is to predict that few if any conservatives would jump
in to denounce such bigotry. And I was right: none have.

I am NOT saying all conservatives are bigots... but it is clear that the
conservative movement is more accepting of such bigotry and less likely
to stand up to it (which does not mean this is absent among liberals,
just not as prevalent).

As far as you speaking of me parroting propaganda... if I make a claim I
welcome you to challenge me to back it. I *generally* can. If I cannot I
can at least explain why I believe it (or note where I could have worded
something better, made a mistake, etc.).
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Ted
2019-01-13 01:27:50 UTC
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Post by Mattb
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Post by Ted
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Snit
Post by Snit
On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
And I welcome disagreements and evidence.
And if we never agree I am fine with that.
When I said blacks were as racist as whites you lost it.
Post by Snit
That's because they've redefined the word.
There are those who try to say blacks cannot be racist because of power.
I get what they are saying but I agree with you it seems a redefining of
the word or, at best, some rather bizarre hair splitting. Of course
PEOPLE can be racist... black, white, or other. That was never in question.
What I took exception to were blanket statements that blacks are racists.
Not some blacks. Not that they can be. Not that a particular black person
was. But that blacks -- NO QUALIFIERS -- are racists.
That is simply absurd. Even if you think ALL people are racists (which
would imply all blacks are), to single out blacks with no statement of
such context is a form of bigotry.
Additionally, Mattb claimed someone used harsh language based on them
being a Palestinian. Would have to look up the exact wording, but it was
quite clear he was belittling all Palestinians as being crude and
inappropriate. This, too, is clearly a bigoted world view.
I called him out on it. He refused to acknowledge that his comments were
bigoted. Few people would admit to such though. What I noted, though, was
how easy it is to predict that few if any conservatives would jump in to
denounce such bigotry. And I was right: none have.
I am NOT saying all conservatives are bigots... but it is clear that the
conservative movement is more accepting of such bigotry and less likely
to stand up to it (which does not mean this is absent among liberals,
just not as prevalent).
As far as you speaking of me parroting propaganda... if I make a claim I
welcome you to challenge me to back it. I *generally* can. If I cannot I
can at least explain why I believe it (or note where I could have worded
something better, made a mistake, etc.).
You're cool, Snit, thanks.
Snit
2019-01-13 01:46:15 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
And I welcome disagreements and evidence.
And if we never agree I am fine with that.
When I said blacks were as racist as whites you lost it.
Post by Snit
That's because they've redefined the word.
There are those who try to say blacks cannot be racist because of power.
I get what they are saying but I agree with you it seems a redefining of
the word or, at best, some rather bizarre hair splitting. Of course
PEOPLE can be racist... black, white, or other. That was never in question.
What I took exception to were blanket statements that blacks are racists.
Not some blacks. Not that they can be. Not that a particular black person
was. But that blacks -- NO QUALIFIERS -- are racists.
That is simply absurd. Even if you think ALL people are racists (which
would imply all blacks are), to single out blacks with no statement of
such context is a form of bigotry.
Additionally, Mattb claimed someone used harsh language based on them
being a Palestinian. Would have to look up the exact wording, but it was
quite clear he was belittling all Palestinians as being crude and
inappropriate. This, too, is clearly a bigoted world view.
I called him out on it. He refused to acknowledge that his comments were
bigoted. Few people would admit to such though. What I noted, though, was
how easy it is to predict that few if any conservatives would jump in to
denounce such bigotry. And I was right: none have.
I am NOT saying all conservatives are bigots... but it is clear that the
conservative movement is more accepting of such bigotry and less likely
to stand up to it (which does not mean this is absent among liberals,
just not as prevalent).
As far as you speaking of me parroting propaganda... if I make a claim I
welcome you to challenge me to back it. I *generally* can. If I cannot I
can at least explain why I believe it (or note where I could have worded
something better, made a mistake, etc.).
You're cool, Snit, thanks.
No problem.

It can easily be argued I am too eager to explain / defend my views...
those who claim I do not are simply not going to find many examples
where I refuse to. :)
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Mattb
2019-01-13 02:56:14 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
And I welcome disagreements and evidence.
And if we never agree I am fine with that.
When I said blacks were as racist as whites you lost it.
That's because they've redefined the word.
There are those who try to say blacks cannot be racist because of power.
I get what they are saying but I agree with you it seems a redefining of
the word or, at best, some rather bizarre hair splitting. Of course
PEOPLE can be racist... black, white, or other. That was never in question.
All can be racist. Some of the more ignorant look for racism where
none is meant.
Snit
2019-01-13 04:38:57 UTC
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On 1/12/19 7:56 PM, Mattb wrote:
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That's because they've redefined the word.
There are those who try to say blacks cannot be racist because of power.
I get what they are saying but I agree with you it seems a redefining of
the word or, at best, some rather bizarre hair splitting. Of course
PEOPLE can be racist... black, white, or other. That was never in question.
All can be racist. Some of the more ignorant look for racism where
none is meant.
Even if you now say you think all people are racist, for you to target
blacks with no context and say blacks (no qualifiers) are racist was an
absurd thing to do -- and to do so as we were discussing your bigoted
comments about Palestinians only made it worse.

Face it: you made some really absurd bigoted comments. You got called
out, as you did with your lies about climate change, and then you
responded poorly.

Why not just swallow your pride and admit you screwed up. Seriously, I
would have a lot more respect for you if you could do that. More
importantly, so would you.

Right now you are lashing out in multiple posts, clearly frustrated with
yourself. It would be much better for you to just be honest, apologize,
and then move on.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Mattb
2019-01-13 02:58:20 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
And I welcome disagreements and evidence.
And if we never agree I am fine with that.
When I said blacks were as racist as whites you lost it.
That's because they've redefined the word.
They are redefining many words to fit in with being politically
correct in the liberal way and their long term agenda.

If you need lie to be politically correct something is wrong.
Ted
2019-01-13 03:26:11 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
And I welcome disagreements and evidence.
And if we never agree I am fine with that.
When I said blacks were as racist as whites you lost it.
That's because they've redefined the word.
They are redefining many words to fit in with being politically
correct in the liberal way and their long term agenda.
True, but I was mistaken about Snit.
Post by Mattb
If you need lie to be politically correct something is wrong.
Something is wrong regardless.
Snit
2019-01-13 04:42:57 UTC
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Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
And I welcome disagreements and evidence.
And if we never agree I am fine with that.
When I said blacks were as racist as whites you lost it.
That's because they've redefined the word.
They are redefining many words to fit in with being politically
correct in the liberal way and their long term agenda.
True, but I was mistaken about Snit.
No harm done. Takes a LOT for me to hold any sort of grudge.

You are OK in my book. Heck, even Mattb could be fine... it is not like
I am going to hold a grudge against him, either.

Now if he keeps insulting me I will have no issue reminding him of his
lies... :)
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Post by Mattb
If you need lie to be politically correct something is wrong.
Something is wrong regardless.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Ted
2019-01-13 05:08:54 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Ted
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
And I welcome disagreements and evidence.
And if we never agree I am fine with that.
When I said blacks were as racist as whites you lost it.
That's because they've redefined the word.
They are redefining many words to fit in with being politically
correct in the liberal way and their long term agenda.
True, but I was mistaken about Snit.
No harm done. Takes a LOT for me to hold any sort of grudge.
Thanks. I was also mistaken when I categorized you with the others.
Post by Snit
You are OK in my book. Heck, even Mattb could be fine... it is not like I
am going to hold a grudge against him, either.
Now if he keeps insulting me I will have no issue reminding him of his lies... :)
Snit
2019-01-13 01:36:30 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
And I welcome disagreements and evidence.
And if we never agree I am fine with that.
When I said blacks were as racist as whites you lost it.
False.

To be clear: you made that up. You are lying. You will never show any
evidence of your claim because your claim is flat out wrong.

Got it?
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Klaus Schadenfreude
2019-01-13 01:37:22 UTC
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:36:30 -0700, Snit
Post by Snit
False.
To be clear: you made that up. You are lying. You will never show any
evidence of your claim because your claim is flat out wrong.
Got it?
Snit sounds angry again.
Mattb
2019-01-13 02:47:59 UTC
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:36:30 -0700, Snit
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Ted
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Snit
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
And I welcome disagreements and evidence.
And if we never agree I am fine with that.
When I said blacks were as racist as whites you lost it.
False.
To be clear: you made that up. You are lying. You will never show any
evidence of your claim because your claim is flat out wrong.
Got it?
You are claiming I have never said Blacks are just as racist as
whites?
Snit
2019-01-13 04:23:13 UTC
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On 1/12/19 7:47 PM, Mattb wrote:
...
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Mattb
Post by Snit
Post by Ted
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
And I welcome disagreements and evidence.
And if we never agree I am fine with that.
When I said blacks were as racist as whites you lost it.
False.
To be clear: you made that up. You are lying. You will never show any
evidence of your claim because your claim is flat out wrong.
Got it?
You are claiming I have never said Blacks are just as racist as
whites?
I noted your bigoted comments... one about blaming poor language (which
might not even be inappropriate, given the circumstances) on someone
being a Palestinian, and another example of you grouping all blacks as
expressing a single view (being racist). These are unambiguously bigoted
comments on your part, and at least on the latter you doubled down on
your bigoted nonsense.

As far as if you said OTHER things... that is not relevant. It is
interesting to see you try to move goal posts to avoid answering for
your own comments. You did the same thing when I called you out on your
MANY lies about climate change.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
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2019-01-12 21:22:29 UTC
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Post by Snit
Post by Ted
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Post by Snit
Post by Snit
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
And I welcome disagreements and evidence.
And if we never agree I am fine with that.
no you're not
Snit
2019-01-13 01:35:22 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped
half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and
fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth.  You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"?   Do you mean control the
media?   Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting.  His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
And I welcome disagreements and evidence.
And if we never agree I am fine with that.
no you're not
Oh. My mistake. But I am not fine with you pointing it out.
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Klaus Schadenfreude
2019-01-13 01:37:49 UTC
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Oh. My mistake. But I am not fine with you pointing it out.
What does this mean, exactly?
Ted
2019-01-12 21:49:55 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus and MattB responded to note they find no flaw in what I say ? and it
pisses them off so badly they cannot control their lashing out.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic. Not biting.
MattB responded by trying to change the topic from his bigoted crap.
Why do I need control stating the truth. You and your kind are
worthless much like Merkel.
I enjoy watching you snowflakes melt.
You would need to control the truth to have it match your bigoted crap,
otherwise you lied.
What do you mean by "control the truth"? Do you mean control the
media? Truth is truth outside of media control.
Post by Snit
Hint: you lied. And now you are in tantrum mode. Amuse me more to keep
getting so much attention.
The Snit snowflake is melting. His kind melt easily.
Snit seems a bit different. I don't think he's as closed-minded as the rest
of the pseudo-left here, regardless of the propaganda he's still parroting.
And I welcome disagreements and evidence.
And if we never agree I am fine with that.
Sounds good, Snit.
Malcolm McMahon
2019-01-10 15:14:23 UTC
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Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
But it wouldn't. It seems the majority of people sneaking across are families, whereas most, especially the young men, are more likely to find their way through official crossings, in the back of trucks, with false documentation etc.. In fact the flow has been tailing off for years.

Same goes for drug smuggling. You'd stop far more, far more cheaply by increasing the number and quality of inspections.

Nor are the illegals a net drain on the economy. They tend to keep a low profile, and are less likely to engage in criminal activity than the average American Citizen. And they keep down the cost of living by providing cheap services.

Like the UK the way you reduce immigration is a deteriorating economy.
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