----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Flaherty
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 5:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Karen, repotting trifasciatas
Well that does it! Mike and I have been threatening to descend on LA and visit
our siblings(in Torrance). We may have to do it.
I'm glad you went back to volunteering. You shouldn't ever let someone else's
nastiness interfere with doing something valuable and enjoyable. I really
believe that volunteering and helping, gives to us as much as the ones we're
trying to help.
How did you all do it this year, or did you have a different fund raiser? I'm
going to try to get my son's school to do another used book sale. Selfishly.
I've been hoarding books for 30 years, and I probably ought to let other
people have a crack at them. But I'd sure want to see what other people would
donate too.
With the plants why not offer them through a completely neutral entity like
the ISS? It's one more step in an exhausting system, but maybe if someone from
there slapped on the labels it wouldn't be so divisive. Or let one of the
local C&S's sell them at their show and sale and give the huntington's share
back to them.
Isn't it strange? I still keep expecting all plant people to be nurturing,
giving, plant loving people. It sounds like you're like me, Norma. That's why
when someone turns out not to be, it's more of a let down.
Gosh, I've only been on this list 3 days and I'm already attached to all of
you.
joe
"Norma Lewis" <***@adelphia.net> wrote:
Joe, John Trager appreciated what I was doing, we raised $2,200 I just can't
take on two different forums of people. Ours was the nice ones, (people) I
just wouldn't deal with the others. Because of what their all mighty leader
lied about what John Trager said about me, John refused to respond to that,
so I thought it was so and because of it I quit the Huntington for 5 months.
I enjoy what I do, I enjoy helping and doing my share. This year more money
raised and the money is going for repairs for the old conservatory, a better
envirenment for the visistors and plants, more air circulation which is badly
needed. The Huntington doesn't have the money to replace this old
conservatory, so we must do what we can to preserve it. Come and visit, you
may stay a week with us, and be my guest at the Huntington, and if you are
lucky help us pot up for a day. They had a big thank you party for the
volunteers, I just don't go, I don't llike the money spent for things like
that, we work so hard to earn it.
Thank you Joe for being so considerate. You just made my day. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Flaherty
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Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Karen, repotting trifasciatas
Norma, That is tragic. Volunteers are appreciated, just not often thanked.
As one who probasbly visited while you were volunteering, I want to say thank
you. The Huntington is amazing! I know it takes people like you that add the
love to the whole program that make it special.
So, on behalf of nameless visitors from around the country and
world...thanks.
joe
"Norma Lewis" <***@adelphia.net> wrote:
That is a good mix for everything except great for Hoya as well, . too
rich and it keeps too moist for the other succulent plants. I could not use
them on the Crassulaceae genua at all, including all of them Afria to U.S, to
So. America, no catus either. Again that will depend on how dry and fast your
soil dries out. There are so many receipes for soil, we could write a book.
I'm not sure, they used to toss them out. I talked them in to selling them
instead. I sold many of them one year, but there was a big stink by another
forum of unfair treatment. When you don't know about a forum, if you are
mistreated by the people on that forum why should they be offered to them. I
was doing the work of getting them mailed off. It's not their God given
right. I can't go to the Olympic because everyone else does, I can't get a new
car because others do, It's a priviledge not a gimme. So John Trager cut out
the program, when I refused to do the work. So now we treat all fairly, no
one gets offered anything for the past three years. And it is really not
anyone business who the Huntington sells to. I offered to do the work and
handle it all, I had three hundered plants down my driveway, I was working
until midnight every night so I could send off six packages daily. It was not
appreciated. I can't take on two groups, if one is nasty that is the one I
elimenate. I am a volunteer not on staff. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Flaherty
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Karen, repotting trifasciatas
Norma, What do they do with the old mother plants from the huntington?
Karen, I use about half pine bark mulch and half professional potting
soil. It's too early days to see if this a good mix or not. It's just leftover
from what I use on my bromeliads.
joe flaherty
"Norma Lewis" <***@adelphia.net> wrote:
Russ, Pine bark is excellant. I like your soil mix forumla, Grigsby's
cactus nursery usesl big perlite, they are very successful growers, I've also
seem this species grown in a raised bed of wood shavings and straw. It worked
for them. At the Hungtington Gardens we keep them all in gal, size pots, we
repot about every three years, leaving only the new growth, that starts them
over again, like kids, and then it takes them awhile to be mature enough to
flower.
So we never need to take up more room per plant. When they start to rise
up out of their pot, to climb out, then it's time to repot. We don't want
them to get big and massive. We seldom use anything over 8" across, no need
to for us, and it save a lot of space.
Karen follow Russ's suggestions they are sound. What I do at home I have
them in shallow about 8" deep pots, and when they start to crowd the pot I
take out the oldest rosette, and keep only three young ones in the pot, the
rest are brought to a meeting and sold. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Russ
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Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 9:24 PM
Subject: [Sansevierias] Karen, repotting trifasciatas
Karen, if I was handling the problem pot of trifasciata, I would take it
out in the yard, or on a big plastic bag,
and tip it over on its side and get the whole mess out of the pot. I
would then tease the plants out of the soil as best
I can, trying not to break off too many of the orange roots, but some of
this is inevitable, and not a big deal.
Sometimes rolling the root ball back and forth will loosen the soil so
you can get the plants loose and out of it. If
it's as big as you say it is, I suspect it will just all fall apart into
a loose mess. Once
you have all the plants out, gather the plants together in a pleasing
way, so that if they were in a pot at that point,
you would like the spacing and arrangement of the leaves. You may have
to try working the rhizomes together in
different positions so they allow each other to fit together in a small
enough space. The idea here is to figure out
what size you really need to contain those rhizomes and roots, how wide
and deep of a pot you have to have. Then
I'd figure 2 or 3 inches wider, but not taller, and THAT's the size pot
I'd go try to find.
Personally, I can't imagine a pot for 6 trifasciatas needing to be more
than a foot across, and 10 inches to a foot
deep. You can use a deeper pot than you need if you fill the bottom
with pea gravel.
For outside plants possibly in the wind, I'd find a ceramic pot,
something pretty heavy, and perhaps decorative if
you wish. Make sure it has a generously sized hole in the bottom, or
several smaller ones. You can put some pea
gravel or larger in the bottom for weight if you think you need it. It
also doesn't hurt for extra drainage right
at the bottom.
Soil mix. I don't think we know where you live, but if you don't live
in California or parts nearby, you don't have
access to pumice. I've only seen it once. You can use any good
professional peat mix as long as you add an aggregate
to make it drain well. Make sure the bag says 'professional', it will
usually have some finely ground bark added, and
a wetting agent. I don't use any stuff sold by the pound. This will be
usually just dirt sold under the false name of 'potting soil' and is only good
for filling a hole in the yard. I have used it as a small part of a mix for
potting shrubs, etc. Coarse perlite is widely available and cheap. You can
mix this with the peat based potting soil in a ratio of 2 parts peat mix to 1
part coarse perlite, or even 1 to 1 would be OK.
If the pot you've selected is not glazed, like a normal unglazed red
clay pot, I'd use the 2 to 1 mix to keep it from drying out too quickly.
Glazed may be better depending on your climate, rainfall, and how often people
throw their left over coke and coffee in it. If it's neglected a lot, not
looked after by anyone regularly, maybe glazed is the way to go. If you don't
put gravel in the bottom of the pot, find a piece of broken clay pot, or a
small fairly flat rock to put over the hole to keep the mix from coming out
when it's watered.
From here, all you have to do is put some mix in the bottom, stand the
plants in the pot in that attractive arrangement
that you liked before, and put the mix in around rhizomes and roots.
Make sure you get mix in and around all the rhizomes, not leaving any gaps
without mix. You should be able to tell on the plant where the soil line
should be. It's not good to have the point where the lower leaves join the
stem under the soil, but these plants are very forgiving, and potting
them should not be something to keep you up at night.
We could get into other kinds of mixes and additives, such as finely
ground pine bark mulch, coarse builder's sand,
pea gravel, etc. But this just confounds the average grower trying to
learn about this, since these materials are not
easily found in the local Home Depot or Target store. The pea gravel is
available, and mixing some of this in would
be OK, but not necessary in my humble opinion.
Hope this is not so detailed as to scare you off the project.
Let us know how you come out on this.
Best, Russ
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