Aether's polylogy

[hanson]

Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....
To the Einstein Dingleberries, the MMXers and
other disciples, practitioners and theoriticans of
heuristic, geriatric physics.... Aether is a Horror.
And like Horror, Aether has a face.
Aether, like Horror, is an intellectual terror that
must become your friends. For if they are not,
then they are enemies to be feared. They are
truly enemies that cause you bitter, grieveous
tears...and denial is in vain and gives you pain..
cuz ... Aether, like the dust,.. will just rise again....
So, to start with, how many concepts or versions
of Aether are there. (forget the chemical one).. ?
and you may begin with asking yourself: If matter,
energy and force-fields bend space, then what is it
that this bent or curled space is embedded in?
What is the underlying medium or matrix that gives
3D space these alleged properties?... i.e. if the
space of the universe expands, then what does it
expand into?..or if the "universe is not expanding
into anything; there is simply more space at later
times than at earlier times".. then where does this
"more space" come from?...
TIA...ahahahaha... ahahahanson

[Androcles]

Post by hanson
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....

If I ignore your post it's because you mumbled something so profoundly
fucking stupid that the only thing one can do is ignore it.

[hanson]

I need more brave and visionary speculations by
searchers who wanna go into that undiscovered
land from whose borne no traveler has yet returned...
because....
------- ahahahahaha... predictably.... -----------
the Aether terrorized "Androcles", the <Headmaster
at Hogwarts.physics> who wrote:
"hanson" <***@quick.net> wrote in message news:aYuDk.293$***@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....
"Androcles" wrote:
If I ignore your post it's because you mumbled
something so profoundly fucking stupid that
the only thing one can do is ignore it...
hanson worte:
... because... to Androcles, Einstein Dingleberries,
the MMXers and other disciples, practitioners and
theoriticans of heuristic, geriatric physics.... Aether
is a Horror. --- And like Horror, Aether has a face.
Aether, like Horror, is an intellectual terror that
must become your friends. For if they are not,
then they are enemies to be feared. They are
truly enemies that cause you bitter, grieveous
tears...and denial is in vain and gives you pain..
cuz ... Aether, like the dust,.. will just rise again....
So, to start with, how many concepts or versions
of Aether are there. (forget the chemical one).. ?
and you may begin with asking yourself: If matter,
energy and force-fields bend space, then what is it
that this bent or curled space is embedded in?
What is the underlying medium or matrix that gives
3D space these alleged properties?... i.e. if the
space of the universe expands, then what does it
expand into?..or if the "universe is not expanding
into anything; there is simply more space at later
times than at earlier times".. then where does this
"more space" come from?...
So, yes, "one can ignore it"...and keep on doing it,
Andro, since it terrorizes you.... ahahaha... ahahaha..
ahahaha... ahahahanson

[Androcles]

Post by hanson
I need more brave and visionary speculations by
searchers who wanna go into that undiscovered
land from whose borne no traveler has yet returned...
because....
------- ahahahahaha... predictably.... -----------
the Aether terrorized "Androcles", the <Headmaster
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....
If I ignore your post it's because you mumbled
something so profoundly fucking stupid that
the only thing one can do is ignore it...
... because... to Androcles, Einstein Dingleberries,
the MMXers and other disciples, practitioners and
theoriticans of heuristic, geriatric physics.... Aether
is a Horror. --- And like Horror, Aether has a face.
Aether, like Horror, is an intellectual terror that
must become your friends. For if they are not,
then they are enemies to be feared. They are
truly enemies that cause you bitter, grieveous
tears...and denial is in vain and gives you pain..
cuz ... Aether, like the dust,.. will just rise again....
So, to start with, how many concepts or versions
of Aether are there. (forget the chemical one).. ?
and you may begin with asking yourself: If matter,
energy and force-fields bend space, then what is it
that this bent or curled space is embedded in?

In hypothetical sentences introduced by 'if' and referring to
past time, where conditions are to be deemed 'unfulfilled',
the verb will regularly be found in the pluperfect subjunctive,
in both protasis and apodosis.
-- Donet, "Principles of Elementary Latin Syntax"

Post by hanson
What is the underlying medium or matrix that gives
3D space these alleged properties?... i.e. if the
space of the universe expands, then what does it
expand into?..

In hypothetical sentences introduced by 'if' and referring to
past time, where conditions are to be deemed 'unfulfilled',
the verb will regularly be found in the pluperfect subjunctive,
in both protasis and apodosis.
-- Donet, "Principles of Elementary Latin Syntax"

Post by hanson
or if the "universe is not expanding
into anything;

In hypothetical sentences introduced by 'if' and referring to
past time, where conditions are to be deemed 'unfulfilled',
the verb will regularly be found in the pluperfect subjunctive,
in both protasis and apodosis.
-- Donet, "Principles of Elementary Latin Syntax"

Post by hanson
there is simply more space at later
times than at earlier times".. then where does this
"more space" come from?...
So, yes, "one can ignore it"...and keep on doing it,
Andro, since it terrorizes you.... ahahaha... ahahaha..
ahahaha... ahahahanson

If I ignore your silly question it's because you asked something
so profoundly fucking idiotic ("bent or curled" nothing)
and stupid (nothing "of the universe expands") that the only
thing one can do is ignore it...

Terrified Androcles, shaking in me boots.
PS:
Why do you assume I'll respond to your emotional drivel?
Haven't you got any Jews to bait?
PPS:
(sci.chem removed, it exceeds my cross posting limit and is
off-topic anyway)

[hanson]

-------------.... ahahahaha -----------
---------- ahahAHAHAahaha ----------
-------- AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA -----------
"Androcles" <***@Hogwarts.physics>
first wrote:
If I ignore your post it's because you mumbled
something so profoundly fucking stupid that
the only thing one can do is ignore it...
hanson wrote:
ahahahaha ... but Androcles couldn't ignore it and
stay away, but he made a 180 and presented his
version of Hogwarts.physics Aether and...

"Androcles", the Headmaster wrote:
In hypothetical sentences introduced by 'if' and referring to
past time, where conditions are to be deemed 'unfulfilled',
the verb will regularly be found in the pluperfect subjunctive,
in both protasis and apodosis.
hanson wrote:
..... ahahahaha... What a dance you are performing here
for me...ahahaha... How profound and aethereal.... ahaha..
Thanks for the laughs... ahahahaha... hahahahanson

Post by Androcles

Post by hanson
I need more brave and visionary speculations by
searchers who wanna go into that undiscovered
land from whose borne no traveler has yet returned...
because....
------- ahahahahaha... predictably.... -----------
the Aether terrorized "Androcles", the <Headmaster
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....
If I ignore your post it's because you mumbled
something so profoundly fucking stupid that
the only thing one can do is ignore it...
... because... to Androcles, Einstein Dingleberries,
the MMXers and other disciples, practitioners and
theoriticans of heuristic, geriatric physics.... Aether
is a Horror. --- And like Horror, Aether has a face.
Aether, like Horror, is an intellectual terror that
must become your friends. For if they are not,
then they are enemies to be feared. They are
truly enemies that cause you bitter, grieveous
tears...and denial is in vain and gives you pain..
cuz ... Aether, like the dust,.. will just rise again....
So, to start with, how many concepts or versions
of Aether are there. (forget the chemical one).. ?
and you may begin with asking yourself: If matter,
energy and force-fields bend space, then what is it
that this bent or curled space is embedded in?

In hypothetical sentences introduced by 'if' and referring to
past time, where conditions are to be deemed 'unfulfilled',
the verb will regularly be found in the pluperfect subjunctive,
in both protasis and apodosis.
-- Donet, "Principles of Elementary Latin Syntax"

Post by hanson
What is the underlying medium or matrix that gives
3D space these alleged properties?... i.e. if the
space of the universe expands, then what does it
expand into?..

In hypothetical sentences introduced by 'if' and referring to
past time, where conditions are to be deemed 'unfulfilled',
the verb will regularly be found in the pluperfect subjunctive,
in both protasis and apodosis.
-- Donet, "Principles of Elementary Latin Syntax"

Post by hanson
or if the "universe is not expanding into anything;

In hypothetical sentences introduced by 'if' and referring to
past time, where conditions are to be deemed 'unfulfilled',
the verb will regularly be found in the pluperfect subjunctive,
in both protasis and apodosis.
-- Donet, "Principles of Elementary Latin Syntax"

Post by hanson
there is simply more space at later
times than at earlier times".. then where does this
"more space" come from?...

hanson wrote:
:>> So, yes, "one can ignore it"...and keep on doing it,

Post by Androcles

Post by hanson
Andro, since it terrorizes you.... ahahaha... ahahaha..
ahahaha... ahahahanson

If I ignore your silly question it's because you asked something
so profoundly fucking idiotic ("bent or curled" nothing)
and stupid (nothing "of the universe expands") that the only
thing one can do is ignore it...

hanson wrote:
... ahahahaha... How existential!... ahahaha... Then why
do you keep on dancing for me?... Just ignore it and stay
away. There will be plenty of other occasions when I will
accept and dance with you... Don't be so hysterical!
Your reaction is truly Aetherical.... ahahaha...AHAHAHA

Post by Androcles
Terrified Androcles, shaking in me boots.
Why do you assume I'll respond to your emotional drivel?
Haven't you got any Jews to bait?
(sci.chem removed, it exceeds my cross posting limit and is
off-topic anyway)

hanson wrote:
Awe.. Awe... awe... mmhhh...hmmm... ahahaha...AHAHA...
Yeah you may even have a point there about being off topic
with your Headmaster fashioned Hogwarts Aether... ahaha...
Thanks for the laughs, dude... ahahaha... ahahahanson

[mL]

Post by hanson
I need more brave and visionary speculations by
searchers who wanna go into that undiscovered
land from whose borne no traveler has yet returned...
because....

[...]

Post by hanson
geriatric physics.... Aether
is a Horror. --- And like Horror, Aether has a face.
Aether, like Horror, is an intellectual terror that
must become your friends. For if they are not,
then they are enemies to be feared. They are
truly enemies that cause you bitter, grieveous
tears...and denial is in vain and gives you pain..
cuz ... Aether, like the dust,.. will just rise again....

Naive speculations hanson ... but, by all means,
do it your way:
http://tinyurl.com/22r38p

/mel

[hanson]

"mL" <***@elsewhere.xxx> wrote in message news:XAyDk.2803$***@newsb.telia.net...
hanson wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/4f4685f5cfaad8f5?hl=en

Post by hanson
I need more brave and visionary speculations by
searchers who wanna go into that undiscovered
land from whose borne no traveler has yet returned...
because....

[...]

Post by hanson
geriatric physics.... Aether
is a Horror. --- And like Horror, Aether has a face.
Aether, like Horror, is an intellectual terror that
must become your friends. For if they are not,
then they are enemies to be feared. They are
truly enemies that cause you bitter, grieveous
tears...and denial is in vain and gives you pain..
cuz ... Aether, like the dust,.. will just rise again....

Naive speculations hanson ... but, http://tinyurl.com/22r38p
/mel

hanson wrote:
ahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... Yes, Mel, you sure are a
brave and visionary speculator...And since you so
ever graciously said "by all means, do it your way" :
The question now is: Are you the one upside down,
dangling there like a colossal Einstein Dingleberry
with Androcles sitting on you & squeezing the Aether
out of you? ... ahahaha..
Mel, of course you being a devout Einstein Dingleberry,
are not expected to search for anything except
perhaps to drag around some frames in the darkness
of the cul-de-sac of your relativity...
But bless you and thanks for the laughs, Mel..... ahaha...
ahahahaha...ahahahanson
PS:
I'd love to hear arguments from the NG resident set of
Aetherists to make their case, like KooBee Wubley
who dropped a few Aether related remarks, which
prompted me to start this inquiry?

[orbound]

a homo into horses, cute but sick.
and no i have no regard for history, art or idols.

Post by mL
Naive speculations hanson ... but, by all means,
do it your way:http://tinyurl.com/22r38p

-the non-christian who decided to be for a moment-

[hanson]

Whorehound "orbound" <***@gmail.com> wrote
Mel "mL" <***@elsewhere.xxx> wrote in message news:XAyDk.2803$***@newsb.telia.net...
Naive speculations hanson ... [in]
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/4f4685f5cfaad8f5?hl=en
but, by all means, do it your way:
http://tinyurl.com/22r38p
Whorehound wrote:
a homo into horses, cute but sick.
and no i have no regard for history, art or idols.
-the non-christian who decided to be for a moment-
hanson wrote:
... ahahaha... Hey, Whorehound, keep your odious
and nepharious homo-bestiality stuff private
between Mel & yourself. Or did you imply that the
rider is Androcles? If so, then you are just plain
nasty because Androcles tries his best to stay
** pure, clean and pristine like the driven snow **...
Have some respect... But thanks for the laughs.
ahahaha... ahahahanson

[mike3]

Post by Androcles

Post by hanson
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....

If I ignore your post it's because you mumbled something so profoundly
fucking stupid that the only thing one can do is ignore it.

Of course your "post" does NOTHING to help people like me who want to
learn and understand WHY it is stupid and wrong, so I'll just throw
it
in the bin along with Hanson's post.

[Aetherist]

Post by mike3

Post by Androcles

Post by hanson
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....

If I ignore your post it's because you mumbled something so profoundly
fucking stupid that the only thing one can do is ignore it.

Of course your "post" does NOTHING to help people like me who want to
learn and understand WHY it is stupid and wrong, so I'll just throw
it in the bin along with Hanson's post.

Mabe I can help, what is your question(s)?

[mike3]

Post by Aetherist

Post by mike3

Post by Androcles

Post by hanson
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....

If I ignore your post it's because you mumbled something so profoundly
fucking stupid that the only thing one can do is ignore it.

Of course your "post" does NOTHING to help people like me who want to
learn and understand WHY it is stupid and wrong, so I'll just throw
it in the bin along with Hanson's post.

Mabe I can help, what is your question(s)?

The Q. is just what I said: why is it wrong? (I don't know if it's
_right_, either,
and don't _believe_ it is right.)

[Aetherist]

Post by mike3

Post by Aetherist

Post by mike3

Post by Androcles

Post by hanson
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....

If I ignore your post it's because you mumbled something so profoundly
fucking stupid that the only thing one can do is ignore it.

Of course your "post" does NOTHING to help people like me who want to
learn and understand WHY it is stupid and wrong, so I'll just throw
it in the bin along with Hanson's post.

Mabe I can help, what is your question(s)?

The Q. is just what I said: why is it wrong?

The concept of aether isn't wrong. However, Lorentzian Relativity
does not disprove it. Even Einstein acknoledged that...

Post by mike3
(I don't know if it's_right_, either, >and don't _believe_ it is right.)

It answers many questions, like...

why there is an impedence in empty space
what ARE the E & M fields...
Why we have Lorentzian Relativity...
What is the basis of QM

Etc...

[Jacko]

On 27 Sep, 19:29, "hanson" <***@quick.net> wrote:
<snip>

Post by hanson
So, to start with, how many concepts or versions
 of Aether are there. (forget the chemical one).. ?

If there is an aether then there is only one, wherther it exists in
all of space is debatable. The big-bang could have been the tearing of
space, leading to the galaxies forming on the bits of aether ballon
with stranger etheric void stuff explaining the big vast holes of
nothing ness between aetheric space. If the eather has permeability it
has rotating charge like structure, and if it has permitivity it has
charge dipole like structure (oscillation waves). Beyond that I can
say no more.

As I think mass in MLT units is T^3 to be consistant with relativity,
then the nature of solids and aether waves may be quite novel. The
second cubed?? Dimension transit times?? The fact that transverse mass
is just T seems to imply a per second squared reduction so does this
say anything about an area??

Post by hanson
and you may begin with asking yourself:  If matter,
energy and force-fields bend space, then what is it
that this bent or curled space is embedded  in?

Eather waves like light are energy stresses. But quantum coupling is
massively stiff, so no energy is stored in the aether. So any theory
has to accept the instantanious quantum effects.

Post by hanson
What is the underlying medium or matrix that gives
3D space these alleged properties?... i.e. if the
space of the universe expands, then what does it
expand into?..or if the "universe is not expanding
into anything; there is simply more space at later
times than at earlier times".. then where does this
"more space" come from?...

See Lorentz-Fitzgerald and don't assume you are scale invariant.

cheers
jacko

[Androcles]

"Jacko" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:b85e5307-bfa5-4b3b-8b08-***@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On 27 Sep, 19:29, "hanson" <***@quick.net> wrote:
<snip>

Post by hanson
So, to start with, how many concepts or versions
of Aether are there. (forget the chemical one).. ?

If there is an aether then there is only one, wherther it exists in
all of space is debatable. The big-bang could have been the tearing of
space, leading to the galaxies forming on the bits of aether ballon
with stranger etheric void stuff explaining the big vast holes of
nothing ness between aetheric space. If the eather has permeability it
has rotating charge like structure, and if it has permitivity it has
charge dipole like structure (oscillation waves). Beyond that I can
say no more.

As I think mass in MLT units is T^3 to be consistant with relativity,
then the nature of solids and aether waves may be quite novel. The
second cubed?? Dimension transit times?? The fact that transverse mass
is just T seems to imply a per second squared reduction so does this
say anything about an area??

Post by hanson
and you may begin with asking yourself: If matter,
energy and force-fields bend space, then what is it
that this bent or curled space is embedded in?

Eather waves like light are energy stresses. But quantum coupling is
massively stiff, so no energy is stored in the aether. So any theory
has to accept the instantanious quantum effects.

Post by hanson
What is the underlying medium or matrix that gives
3D space these alleged properties?... i.e. if the
space of the universe expands, then what does it
expand into?..or if the "universe is not expanding
into anything; there is simply more space at later
times than at earlier times".. then where does this
"more space" come from?...

See Lorentz-Fitzgerald and don't assume you are scale invariant.

cheers
jacko

====================================
See Sanny's post on madness.

[hanson]

"Jacko" <***@gmail.com> made a brave
case in that he faced the horror, but he skirted the
issue. Yet I appreciate his opinions about which
he wrote:
"hanson" <***@quick.net> wrote:
To the Einstein Dingleberries, the MMXers and
other disciples, practitioners and theoriticans of
heuristic, geriatric physics.... Aether is a Horror.
And like Horror, Aether has a face.
Aether, like Horror, is an intellectual terror that
must become your friends. For if they are not,
then they are enemies to be feared. They are
truly enemies that cause you bitter, grieveous
tears...and denial is in vain and gives you pain..
cuz ... Aether, like the dust,.. will just rise again....
So, to start with, how many concepts or versions
of Aether are there. (forget the chemical one).. ?
"Jacko" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
If there is an aether then there is only one, wherther
it exists in all of space is debatable. The big-bang could
have been the tearing of space, leading to the galaxies
forming on the bits of aether ballon with stranger etheric
void stuff explaining the big vast holes of nothing ness
between aetheric space. If the eather has permeability it
has rotating charge like structure, and if it has permitivity
it has charge dipole like structure (oscillation waves).
Beyond that I can say no more.
"hanson" <***@quick.net> wrote:
People talk about Newtonian Aether, Maxwellian Aether,
even Einstein's Aether, etc, etc... it's like the dust.. that
rises again and again and again... ahahahaha...
"Jacko" <***@gmail.com>
As I think mass in MLT units is T^3 to be consistant with
relativity, then the nature of solids and aether waves may
be quite novel. The second cubed?? Dimension transit times??
The fact that transverse mass is just T seems to imply a per
second squared reduction so does this say anything about
an area??
hanson wrote:
I don't know about Aether waves nor any of its properties.
There are a lot of pontifications about it, but I'd like to
an avenue that that hints at or produces evidence.
Your attempt here though is valiant. Elaborate on it, but,
just don't drift into abstract math, because with math you
can make all kinds of constructs and then ad hoc decide
that some math-expression in it represents an Aether.. ahaha..
hanson previously wrote:
and you may begin with asking yourself: If matter,
energy and force-fields bend space, then what is it
that this bent or curled space is embedded in?
"Jacko" <***@gmail.com>
Eather waves like light are energy stresses. But quantum
coupling is massively stiff, so no energy is stored in the
aether. So any theory has to accept the instantanious
quantum effects.
hanson wrote:
Your attempt here again is valiant. Elaborate on it, but,
just don't drift into abstract math, because with math you
can make all kinds of constructs and then ad hoc decide
that some math-expression in it represents an Aether.. ahaha
hanson previously wrote:
What is the underlying medium or matrix that gives
3D space these alleged properties?... i.e. if the
space of the universe expands, then what does it
expand into?..or if the "universe is not expanding
into anything; there is simply more space at later
times than at earlier times".. then where does this
"more space" come from?...
"Jacko" <***@gmail.com>
See Lorentz-Fitzgerald and don't assume you are
scale invariant. --- cheers --- jacko
hanson wrote:
invariant or not, that route of inquiry will not answer
the question.... ahahaha... ahahaha... Thanks though
Jacko, your are a man of intellectual bravery.
hanson

[Benj]

Post by Jacko
If there is an aether then there is only one, wherther it exists in
all of space is debatable.

Says who? If there is an aether, I'd guess it's likely there is only
one, but it's no certainty. The existence in all space is not only
debatable, it's dead wrong. Obviously where there is no aether there
is true vacuum. And where there is true vacuum, there can be no light.
An electron for example is not an object, but a "true vacuum" bubble
in the luminiferous aether. And this doesn't even begin to make
reasonable postulates such as the phases of aether which by analogy
with water would be a gas (in which the galaxy swims), a liquid, and a
solid (which forms subatomic particles. It is the expansion of solid
aether up to it's gaseous form that represents the mass to energy
conversion in E = MC^2.

Post by Jacko
The big-bang could have been the tearing of
space, leading to the galaxies forming on the bits of aether ballon
with stranger etheric void stuff explaining the big vast holes of
nothing ness between aetheric space. If the eather has permeability it
has rotating charge like structure, and if it has permitivity it has
charge dipole like structure (oscillation waves). Beyond that I can
say no more.

The Big Bang is of course total bullshit stemming from a total
misinterpretation of Red Shift and other data as well as not only
total ignorance but a willful refusal to even consider additional
spatial dimensions to the universe. So want to "prove" an aether? Does
"vacuum" of empty space have properties like permeability and
permitivity? Yes it does. So tell us all O genius followers of dogma
how light travels in "nothing at all" and that "nothing at all" has
it's own properties? Better put on the tinfoil helmets to "sell" that
line of crap. Do you clowns understand that words actually have
defined meanings?

Post by Jacko
Eather waves like light are energy stresses. But quantum coupling is
massively stiff, so no energy is stored in the aether. So any theory
has to accept the instantanious quantum effects.

Who says no energy is stored in the aether? Never heard of the
Poynting vector I take it? No question that quantum effects in the
aether are a major puzzle, but your argument is the height of
bogusity!

[hanson]

Now, we are getting onto the roads less traveled
Excellent!... Carry on, guys... and continue to dare!
hanson

Post by Benj

Post by Jacko
If there is an aether then there is only one, wherther it exists in
all of space is debatable.

Says who? If there is an aether, I'd guess it's likely there is only
one, but it's no certainty. The existence in all space is not only
debatable, it's dead wrong. Obviously where there is no aether there
is true vacuum. And where there is true vacuum, there can be no light.
An electron for example is not an object, but a "true vacuum" bubble
in the luminiferous aether. And this doesn't even begin to make
reasonable postulates such as the phases of aether which by analogy
with water would be a gas (in which the galaxy swims), a liquid, and a
solid (which forms subatomic particles. It is the expansion of solid
aether up to it's gaseous form that represents the mass to energy
conversion in E = MC^2.

Post by Jacko
The big-bang could have been the tearing of
space, leading to the galaxies forming on the bits of aether ballon
with stranger etheric void stuff explaining the big vast holes of
nothing ness between aetheric space. If the eather has permeability it
has rotating charge like structure, and if it has permitivity it has
charge dipole like structure (oscillation waves). Beyond that I can
say no more.

The Big Bang is of course total bullshit stemming from a total
misinterpretation of Red Shift and other data as well as not only
total ignorance but a willful refusal to even consider additional
spatial dimensions to the universe. So want to "prove" an aether? Does
"vacuum" of empty space have properties like permeability and
permitivity? Yes it does. So tell us all O genius followers of dogma
how light travels in "nothing at all" and that "nothing at all" has
it's own properties? Better put on the tinfoil helmets to "sell" that
line of crap. Do you clowns understand that words actually have
defined meanings?

Post by Jacko
Eather waves like light are energy stresses. But quantum coupling is
massively stiff, so no energy is stored in the aether. So any theory
has to accept the instantanious quantum effects.

Who says no energy is stored in the aether? Never heard of the
Poynting vector I take it? No question that quantum effects in the
aether are a major puzzle, but your argument is the height of
bogusity!

[Spaceman]

Post by hanson
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....
To the Einstein Dingleberries, the MMXers and
other disciples, practitioners and theoriticans of
heuristic, geriatric physics.... Aether is a Horror.
And like Horror, Aether has a face.
Aether, like Horror, is an intellectual terror that
must become your friends. For if they are not,
then they are enemies to be feared. They are
truly enemies that cause you bitter, grieveous
tears...and denial is in vain and gives you pain..
cuz ... Aether, like the dust,.. will just rise again....
So, to start with, how many concepts or versions
of Aether are there. (forget the chemical one).. ?
and you may begin with asking yourself: If matter,
energy and force-fields bend space, then what is it
that this bent or curled space is embedded in?
What is the underlying medium or matrix that gives
3D space these alleged properties?... i.e. if the
space of the universe expands, then what does it
expand into?..or if the "universe is not expanding
into anything; there is simply more space at later
times than at earlier times".. then where does this
"more space" come from?...
TIA...ahahahaha... ahahahanson

Hmmm,
Light is a transfer of energy of waves of particles.
It is not "either a wave or a particle"
Just as soundwaves are waves of particles and just as
waterwaves are waves of particles, lightwaves are waves of particles.
Those "particles" also make up the so called aether.
And as far as the curvature stuff goes...
When you have particles gathered around a curved (spherical) object,
the particles must make curved (spherical) layers.
Each higher "layer" will contain more area to fit more particles.
The curvatuve of "space" is actually a curvature of the aether itself.
As far as gravity cause (the force of gravity)...
A larger area of the same type particles will produce more
pressure (force)on one side that a smaller area of the same size particles
would on the planet side.
So the larger force area will push you to the lesser force area.
(and the tiny ass particles are what allows light to travel in waves)
Simple enough Hanson?
Sounds good so far to me..
:)

[hanson]

Post by Spaceman

Post by hanson
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....
To the Einstein Dingleberries, the MMXers and
other disciples, practitioners and theoriticans of
heuristic, geriatric physics.... Aether is a Horror.
And like Horror, Aether has a face.
Aether, like Horror, is an intellectual terror that
must become your friends. For if they are not,
then they are enemies to be feared. They are
truly enemies that cause you bitter, grieveous
tears...and denial is in vain and gives you pain..
cuz ... Aether, like the dust,.. will just rise again....
So, to start with, how many concepts or versions
of Aether are there. (forget the chemical one).. ?
and you may begin with asking yourself: If matter,
energy and force-fields bend space, then what is it
that this bent or curled space is embedded in?
What is the underlying medium or matrix that gives
3D space these alleged properties?... i.e. if the
space of the universe expands, then what does it
expand into?..or if the "universe is not expanding
into anything; there is simply more space at later
times than at earlier times".. then where does this
"more space" come from?...
TIA...ahahahaha... ahahahanson

Hmmm,
Light is a transfer of energy of waves of particles.
It is not "either a wave or a particle"
Just as soundwaves are waves of particles and just as
waterwaves are waves of particles, lightwaves are waves of particles.
Those "particles" also make up the so called aether.

hanson wrote:
IOW, waves, rushes or globs of Energy and Matter
are the Aether? That IMO sounds more like a description
of a chemical Aether (of which there are 100'000s of types)
and not like a physical background matrix in which
space with all it alleged attributes is embedded in.

Post by Spaceman
And as far as the curvature stuff goes...
When you have particles gathered around a curved (spherical) object,
the particles must make curved (spherical) layers.
Each higher "layer" will contain more area to fit more particles.
The curvatuve of "space" is actually a curvature of the aether itself.

hanson wrote:
So, IYO the Aether has a curvature like Einstein's REL
space that is curved & caused by the amount of locally
manifest mattergy, ... ahahaha... So, you appear to be
saying that you suddenly agree with Einstein?... ahahaha...

Post by Spaceman
As far as gravity cause (the force of gravity)...
A larger area of the same type particles will produce more
pressure (force) on one side that a smaller area of the
same size particles would on the planet side.
So the larger force area will push you to the lesser force area.
(and the tiny ass particles are what allows light to travel in waves)
Simple enough Hanson?
Sounds good so far to me..
:) -- James M Driscoll Jr Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory
Spaceman

hanson wrote:
Careful here, dude, careful. Don't be a plagiarizer now
TJ Frazir came up with that concept first when he said
::TJ:: "Callffffff calllffff , Im sick , some one role me a joint !"
and then tj said the same thing you just expressed.
Anyways, James, any inquiry into such matters is hard &
miserable... Not because of all the fenced-in fanatics who
get hysterical. Such inquires are, as history shows, always
solved serendipitously by a new idea... which like you said
a few years back: "A truly new idea appears only very seldom"
Take care, James, and keep on searching.... ahahahahanson

[Spaceman]

Post by hanson

Post by Spaceman

Post by hanson
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....
To the Einstein Dingleberries, the MMXers and
other disciples, practitioners and theoriticans of
heuristic, geriatric physics.... Aether is a Horror.
And like Horror, Aether has a face.
Aether, like Horror, is an intellectual terror that
must become your friends. For if they are not,
then they are enemies to be feared. They are
truly enemies that cause you bitter, grieveous
tears...and denial is in vain and gives you pain..
cuz ... Aether, like the dust,.. will just rise again....
So, to start with, how many concepts or versions
of Aether are there. (forget the chemical one).. ?
and you may begin with asking yourself: If matter,
energy and force-fields bend space, then what is it
that this bent or curled space is embedded in?
What is the underlying medium or matrix that gives
3D space these alleged properties?... i.e. if the
space of the universe expands, then what does it
expand into?..or if the "universe is not expanding
into anything; there is simply more space at later
times than at earlier times".. then where does this
"more space" come from?...
TIA...ahahahaha... ahahahanson

Hmmm,
Light is a transfer of energy of waves of particles.
It is not "either a wave or a particle"
Just as soundwaves are waves of particles and just as
waterwaves are waves of particles, lightwaves are waves of particles.
Those "particles" also make up the so called aether.

IOW, waves, rushes or globs of Energy and Matter
are the Aether? That IMO sounds more like a description
of a chemical Aether (of which there are 100'000s of types)
and not like a physical background matrix in which
space with all it alleged attributes is embedded in.

No,
It is simply stuff that is so small we can not detect it with
current technology, just like a while ago we could not even
come close to detecting an electron and nevermind a nucleus
back then.

Post by hanson

Post by Spaceman
And as far as the curvature stuff goes...
When you have particles gathered around a curved (spherical) object,
the particles must make curved (spherical) layers.
Each higher "layer" will contain more area to fit more particles.
The curvatuve of "space" is actually a curvature of the aether itself.

So, IYO the Aether has a curvature like Einstein's REL
space that is curved & caused by the amount of locally
manifest mattergy, ... ahahaha... So, you appear to be
saying that you suddenly agree with Einstein?... ahahaha...

No,
I am saying it would be a good reason why a lot of
the Einsteins mathematics work pretty good.
But of course, I am not saying anything like he does as
there is nothing there and "space" the nothingness is curved.
I am saying the "stuff" so small we can not detect it as matter
yet, is what gives the "curving" effects the math predicts.

Post by hanson

Post by Spaceman
As far as gravity cause (the force of gravity)...
A larger area of the same type particles will produce more
pressure (force) on one side that a smaller area of the
same size particles would on the planet side.
So the larger force area will push you to the lesser force area.
(and the tiny ass particles are what allows light to travel in waves)
Simple enough Hanson?
Sounds good so far to me..
:) -- James M Driscoll Jr Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory
Spaceman

Careful here, dude, careful. Don't be a plagiarizer now
TJ Frazir came up with that concept first when he said

Post by Spaceman

Post by hanson
TJ:: "Callffffff calllffff , Im sick , some one role me a joint !"

and then tj said the same thing you just expressed.

Ah yes,
I remember that.
I would give credit to him of course and it still sounds better
than the curvature of nothingness as a cause for gravity like Einstein
pulls over peoples eyes with his "curved nothingness fabric" called
spacetime.

Post by hanson
Anyways, James, any inquiry into such matters is hard &
miserable... Not because of all the fenced-in fanatics who
get hysterical. Such inquires are, as history shows, always
solved serendipitously by a new idea... which like you said
a few years back: "A truly new idea appears only very seldom"
Take care, James, and keep on searching.... ahahahahanson

I will stick with a simple "stuff" we have not detected yet since
it makes the most mechanical and engineering sense.
And I will admit TJ stated the gravity cause first from such.
A push gravity, not a "suck" gravity.
:)

[Uncle Al]

Post by hanson
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....

[snip crap]

empirical idiot, fucking imbecile, piece of diversity shit

http://arXiv.org/abs/0706.2031
Physics Today 57(7) 40 (2004)
http://physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-7/p40.shtml
<http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/Walsworth/pdf/PT_Romalis0704.pdf>
No aether

http://fsweb.berry.edu/academic/mans/clane/
http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/17/3/7
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2005-5/index.html>
http://arxiv.org/abs/0801.0287
No Lorentz violation

[hanson]

ahahaha... ahahaha.. AHAHAHA... "Uncle rect-Al"
<***@hate.spam.net> exited himself so bad
that his Beytsim fell off and gummed up his act

Post by Uncle Al
empirical idiot, fucking imbecile, piece of diversity shit
[because]

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/4f4685f5cfaad8f5?hl=en

Post by Uncle Al

Post by hanson
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....

hanson wrote:
ahahaha... so, uncle rect-Al immediately performed 1 of
his Yiddisher street corner acts wherein he plays as an
"empirical idiot and fucking imbecile", here on his own
website: Loading Image...
and wherein uncle rect-Al finds and presents
"== http://arXiv.org/abs/0706.2031 - No aether" =="
which is "a piece of diversity shit" that does not contain
the word "No" and much less the word "aether"... ahahaha...
So much for the Jewishe intelligence of Anal Schwartz
who couldn't produce a sellable cockroach repellant,
bragged about non-existing kg sized gem quality diamonds,
attempted 2 chiral over-thrown attempts of Einstein, one
with gold-plated SiO2 balls & the other by calorimetry of
Benzil-xx... and consequently, in his own words, has to
drive his 1989 Volkswagen Golf for another 11 years...
rect-Al, once you had cojones and you were a fearless
searcher, taking on the establishment... but nowadays
you are more like a forlorn pendejo after an immaculate
conception... ahahaha... What gives, Al turned rect-Al?
Thanks for the laughs though, Alan... ahahahahanson

[mike3]

Post by hanson
ahahaha... ahahaha.. AHAHAHA... "Uncle rect-Al"

Post by Uncle Al
empirical idiot, fucking imbecile, piece of diversity shit
[because]

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/4f4685f5cfaad8f5?hl=en>> Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither

Post by Uncle Al

Post by hanson
it's all around and it's called Aether....

ahahaha...  so, uncle rect-Al immediately performed 1 of
his Yiddisher street corner acts  wherein he plays as an
"empirical idiot and fucking imbecile", here on his own
website:http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg
and wherein uncle rect-Al finds and presents
"==http://arXiv.org/abs/0706.2031 -  No aether" =="
which is "a piece of diversity shit"  that does not contain
the word "No" and much less the word "aether"... ahahaha...

But MME disproves Aether.

GOOGLE: "Michelson Morley Experiment Aether Disproof"
(no quotes)

Read, debunk:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson-Morley_experiment

<snip more uncivilized stuff. Geez, it seems there is very little
of that here from both sides>

[hanson]

Varney -"mike3" <***@yahoo.com> excited and
aetherically cranked himself too as he wrote:
"hanson" <***@quick.net> wrote:
ahahaha... ahahaha.. AHAHAHA... "Uncle rect-Al"
<***@hate.spam.net> exited himself so bad that
his Beytsim fell off and gummed up his act as he wrote:
http://arXiv.org/abs/0706.2031 - "No aether"
empirical idiot, fucking imbecile, piece of diversity shit
[because]
hanson wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/4f4685f5cfaad8f5?hl=en
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....
hanson wrote:
ahahaha... so, uncle rect-Al immediately performed 1 of
his Yiddisher street corner acts wherein he plays as an
"empirical idiot and fucking imbecile", here on his own
website: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg
and wherein uncle rect-Al finds and presents
"==http://arXiv.org/abs/0706.2031 - No aether" =="
which is "a piece of diversity shit" that does NOT contain
the word "No" and much less the word "aether"... ahahaha...
Excited Varney Mikey wrote:
But MME disproves Aether.
GOOGLE: "Michelson Morley Experiment Aether Disproof"
(no quotes) Read, debunk:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson-Morley_experiment
<snip more uncivilized stuff. Geez, it seems there is very little
of that here from both sides>
hanson wrote:
ahahahaha... See Varney, like the dust or chronic pain
.. the Aether just does rise again and again and again
cuz MMX/MME only demonstrates that light spreads
equally in all directions... & proves nothing more then
that light spreads equally in all directions...
Live with THAT!...
... and all the assumptions, hopes, conjectures and
insinuations that MME disproved an Aether.. well...
ahaha.. they are and remain just assumptions, hopes,
conjectures and insinuation... nothing more and nothing
less... ahaha... Get used to it...Live with it. AHAHAHA...
Now tell me something NEW,... not regurgitated crap
from the last century. **Physics didn't stop in 1877**.
But thanks for the laughs... ahahahaha... ahahanson

[Androcles]

Post by hanson
ahahaha... ahahaha.. AHAHAHA... "Uncle rect-Al"
http://arXiv.org/abs/0706.2031 - "No aether"
empirical idiot, fucking imbecile, piece of diversity shit
[because]
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/4f4685f5cfaad8f5?hl=en
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....

Empirical idiot, fucking imbecile, piece of diversity shit (whatever that
is)
and cackling maniac. The word is "excited", cha-cha, "exited" means Elvis
has left the building. Aether is like your hair. It may look good but you
don't really need it.
Give these guys a call and they'll explain it to you:
http://www.advancedhairstudio.com/

[hanson]

"Androcles" <***@Hogwarts.physics> wrote
$***@newsfe23.ams2...

hanson wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/4f4685f5cfaad8f5?hl=en
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....
"Androcles" wrote:
Aether is like your hair. It may look good but
you don't really need it.
hanson wrote: -- http://tinyurl.com/4q8qqb --
ahahahaha... That's right, you don't "NEED" it.
But that doesn't prove that there is no Aether...
NOT by any means.. Your fine argument is like
"A fish doesn't need a bicycle".. The bicycle is
there whether the fish recognizes it or not...
BTW, are you bald now, that you come up
with your Aetheric reasoning?... ahahahaha...
The Aether has you really in its grip and makes
you come back to it.. again and again & again
ahahahaha.... AHAHAHA... ahahahanson

[Androcles]

Post by hanson
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/4f4685f5cfaad8f5?hl=en
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....
Aether is like your hair. It may look good but
you don't really need it.
hanson wrote: -- http://tinyurl.com/4q8qqb --
ahahahaha... That's right, you don't "NEED" it.
But that doesn't prove that there is no Aether...

Burden of proof is upon the claimant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

Post by hanson
NOT by any means.. Your fine argument is like
"A fish doesn't need a bicycle".. The bicycle is
there whether the fish recognizes it or not...
BTW, are you bald now,

http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/SRvNM.htm

You resemble Dork in many ways.

[hanson]

Post by Androcles

Post by hanson
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/4f4685f5cfaad8f5?hl=en
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....
Aether is like your hair. It may look good but
you don't really need it.
hanson wrote: -- http://tinyurl.com/4q8qqb --
ahahahaha... That's right, you don't "NEED" it.
But that doesn't prove that there is no Aether...
NOT by any means.. Your fine argument is like
"A fish doesn't need a bicycle".. The bicycle is
there whether the fish recognizes it or not...

Burden of proof is upon the claimant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

hanson wrote:
.... ahahahaha... No, Occam's_razor has nothing
to do with any proof. O.R. merely suggests to make
a choice amongst the possibilities at hand
in/by/with your belief system... ahahaha..
OTOH, and I repast .. "The Aether has you really
in its grip and makes you come back to it.. again
and again & again" which you have demonstrated
by your numerous post in this thread. You now have
shown all by yourself: "Proof positive that Aether exists"
ahahahaha.... AHAHAHA... ahahahanson

[Androcles]

Post by hanson

Post by Androcles

Post by hanson
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/4f4685f5cfaad8f5?hl=en
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....
Aether is like your hair. It may look good but
you don't really need it.
hanson wrote: -- http://tinyurl.com/4q8qqb --
ahahahaha... That's right, you don't "NEED" it.
But that doesn't prove that there is no Aether...
NOT by any means.. Your fine argument is like
"A fish doesn't need a bicycle".. The bicycle is
there whether the fish recognizes it or not...

Burden of proof is upon the claimant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

.... ahahahaha... No, Occam's_razor has nothing
to do with any proof.

Now you are really cranking yourself.
Ockham's razor applies, no aether is needed (End of statement).
New statement: Burden of proof that aether exists is upon you.

[hanson]

ahahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA.... AHAHAHAHA...
"Androcles" <***@Hogwarts.physics> wrote
nothing of consequence nor interest except that he
proved that the Aether that has a periodicity, shown
by Andro's periodic reappearance in this discussion
because of Andro's inability to withstand the grip that
the Aether has on him... and in the fact that that Andro
has approached AGAIN the aetheric level of this past
post: -------- http://tinyurl.com/48nybm -------------
You are so slow on the uptake, Andro... So, long sucker!
ahahahaha... HAHAHA... ahahanson

[Androcles]

Post by hanson
ahahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA.... AHAHAHAHA...

Making phun of phuckheads is so much phuckin phun.

[hanson]

ahahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA.... AHAHAHAHA...
"Androcles" <**Headwart at masterHog.physics>,
the sucker, strains and remains firmly in the grip of
the Aether which he loudly reaffirmed in this post:
-------- http://tinyurl.com/48nybm -------------
wherein it says:
Gin soaked ex-truck driver "Androcles" said on
May 12th 08:
::A:: "the Vehicle Licensing Agency telling me I'm
::A:: losing my truck license on medical grounds so
::A:: that's the last of the honest day's work for me."
And so Andro kept tanking himself up, so much that
3 months later on (08-12-08) he hallucinated & said
::A:: *" boy, I'm a god "*. .... ahahaha... AHAHAHA...
Ex-truck driver Andro, now effectively de-motorized
but firmly in the grip & under control of his Gin, Aether
and his godly delusions begins to show that his own
very pedestrian OPINIONS about 18th century physics
are governed by Androcles' Principle that says
== When in trouble, when in doubt ==
== Run in circles, scream and shout ==
====== Androcles' Principle =======
Therefore, to keep Androcles flying off the handle in
his altered state of consciousness, do him a great
compassionate favor and apply methods of...
----- ## ** How to crank Andorcles **## ------.
Tell the ex-truck driver Andorcles:
1) ==== that there is an Aether.......& he flies off the handle
2) ==== that Einstein was/is right...& he flies off the handle
3) ==== Snip some of his tripe.......& he flies off the handle
4) ==== that you doubt him..............& he flies off the handle
5) ==== that you agree with him......& he flies off the handle
6) ==== that you want to help him...& he flies off the handle
7) ==== that he made you laugh......& he flies off the handle
8) ==== Tell him ANYTHING............& he flies off the handle....
Andro is the perfect sucker!
Andro, we love ya!.. not for your
physics, but for all the laughs.
See, you are still good for some-
thing, even without a drivers license.
------------ ahahahaha... ahahahaha ---------------
PS:
Andro, you are so slow on the uptake. You still
don't know what is happening here and to you...
ahahahahahahaha.... **** So, long sucker! *****
ahahahaha... HAHAHA... ahahanson

[Androcles]

Post by hanson
ahahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA.... AHAHAHAHA...

Making phun of phuckheads is so much phuckin phun.

[Koobee Wublee]

Post by Uncle Al

Post by hanson
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....

[snip crap]
empirical idiot, fucking imbecile, piece of diversity shit
http://arXiv.org/abs/0706.2031
Physics Today 57(7) 40 (2004)http://physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-7/p40.shtml
<http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/Walsworth/pdf/PT_Romalis0704.pdf>  
 No aether
http://fsweb.berry.edu/academic/mans/clane/http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/17/3/7
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2005-5/index.html>http://arxiv.org/abs/0801.0287
 No Lorentz violation
--
Uncle Alhttp://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
 (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2

[hanson]

"Koobee Wublee" <***@gmail.com> wrote
in message news:b3151f81-d1f8-43a1-b968-***@40g2000prx.googlegroups.com...
that Uncle rect-Al <***@hate.spam.net> confessed
to and emphasized that he, uncle rect-Al, is an
"empirical idiot, fucking imbecile, piece of diversity shit".
hanson wrote:
... ahaha.. yeah, I heard that & agreed that he is such in
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/a43a927b178cde6d?hl=en
Now, KW, what is your take on the Aether?.
I said in another post in:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/d7eb8cfb0c3995bc?hl=en
I'd love to hear arguments from the NG resident set of
Aetherists to make their case, like KooBee Wubley
who dropped a few Aether related remarks, which
prompted me to start this inquiry. How about it?
hanson

[Koobee Wublee]

Post by hanson
Now, KW, what is your take on the Aether?.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/d7eb8cfb0c3995bc?hl=en
I'd love to hear arguments from the NG resident set of
Aetherists to make their case, like KooBee Wubley
who dropped a few Aether related remarks, which
prompted me to start this inquiry. How about it?

Oh, this is the first time that I am invited to be an honored
speaker. Thank you, very much. I have not prepared this speech for
even more than an hour. So, please expect more add-ons or
enhancements to this. Here we go.

What does the Aether stand for?

** Wavelike nature of light as predicted by electromagnetism

** Breakdown in the principle of relativity at limits (such as high
speed)

What do the null results of the MMX suggest?

** Coherent interferometers which is an impossibility under the
concept of relative simultaneity

** Wavelike nature of light as indicated by the interference patterns
produced

To properly analyze the null results of the MMX, one must take the
above into account.

** The ballistic theory of light fails that because it violates
electromagnetism in which it predicts no interference patterns
possible. One must toss this concept into the trashcan along with the
nitwit Androcles.

** Lorentz transform fails that as well because it predicts a non-
coherent interference pattern as shown false in any MMX-type
experiments. You can flush all Einstein Dingleberries down the
toilet.

** Voigt transform is the only that allows coherent interference
pattern, but in doing so, the principle of relativity must be violated
at high speed in order to explain the null results of the MMX and
accepting the electromagnetic nature of light. After all, the Lorentz
transform was most likely already discovered by Voigt more than 10
years before Larmor did. Voigt being a true genius saw the fallacy of
the Lorentz transform right away. He flushed it down the toilet, but
the Einstein Dingleberries just love the sewage taste in the Lorentz
transform.

The null results of the MMX actually prove the existence of the
absolute frame of reference that is the Aether. Ironically, the
Einstein Dingleberries just twisted the facts and interpretations to
suit their religions of SR and then later on GR.

So, what do these Aether particles look like? They are very illusive
because they must be massless and chargeless. Well, I have some
primitive conjectures that appear to explain almost all I can throw
against it. With my growing family, I am working a lot. So, only in
the spare time, I can work on it. Please be patient. I will get
there one of these days.

[Androcles]

Post by Koobee Wublee

Post by hanson
Now, KW, what is your take on the Aether?.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/d7eb8cfb0c3995bc?hl=en
I'd love to hear arguments from the NG resident set of
Aetherists to make their case, like KooBee Wubley
who dropped a few Aether related remarks, which
prompted me to start this inquiry. How about it?

Oh, this is the first time that I am invited to be an honored
speaker. Thank you, very much. I have not prepared this speech for
even more than an hour. So, please expect more add-ons or
enhancements to this. Here we go.
What does the Aether stand for?
** Wavelike nature of light as predicted by electromagnetism
** Breakdown in the principle of relativity at limits (such as high
speed)
What do the null results of the MMX suggest?
** Coherent interferometers which is an impossibility under the
concept of relative simultaneity
** Wavelike nature of light as indicated by the interference patterns
produced
To properly analyze the null results of the MMX, one must take the
above into account.
** The ballistic theory of light fails that because it violates
electromagnetism in which it predicts no interference patterns
possible. One must toss this concept into the trashcan along with the
nitwit Androcles.
** Lorentz transform fails that as well because it predicts a non-
coherent interference pattern as shown false in any MMX-type
experiments. You can flush all Einstein Dingleberries down the
toilet.
** Voigt transform is the only that allows coherent interference
pattern, but in doing so, the principle of relativity must be violated
at high speed in order to explain the null results of the MMX and
accepting the electromagnetic nature of light. After all, the Lorentz
transform was most likely already discovered by Voigt more than 10
years before Larmor did. Voigt being a true genius saw the fallacy of
the Lorentz transform right away. He flushed it down the toilet, but
the Einstein Dingleberries just love the sewage taste in the Lorentz
transform.
The null results of the MMX actually prove the existence of the
absolute frame of reference that is the Aether. Ironically, the
Einstein Dingleberries just twisted the facts and interpretations to
suit their religions of SR and then later on GR.
So, what do these Aether particles look like? They are very illusive
because they must be massless and chargeless. Well, I have some
primitive conjectures that appear to explain almost all I can throw
against it. With my growing family, I am working a lot. So, only in
the spare time, I can work on it. Please be patient. I will get
there one of these days.

See, the dozy bastard only attacks Einstein Dingleberries and
thinks light is a wave. A typical Maxwell Dingleberry.

The Maxwell Dingleberry asks:
"What do the null results of the MMX suggest?"
They suggest performing Sagnac to get a non-null result.

What do the non-null results of Sagnac suggest?
The speed of light from A to B is c-v,
the speed of light from B to A is c+v,

The speed of this ball from A to B is c-v, and c+v from B to A.
http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/guides/mtr/fw/gifs/coriolis.mov

[hanson]

"Koobee Wublee" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:7779b462-63af-4a5d-a8d2-***@g17g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
"hanson" <***@quick.net> wrote:
KW, what is your take on the Aether?.
"Koobee Wublee" wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/4a4d5af0e06a4277?hl=en
wherein he reviewed the history of the aether and
concluded with this:
::: So, what do these Aether particles look like? They
::: are very illusive because they must be massless
::: and chargeless. Well, I have some primitive conjectures
::: that appear to explain almost all I can throw against it.
::: With my growing family, I am working a lot. So, only in
::: the spare time, I can work on it. Please be patient.
::: I will get there one of these days.
hanson wrote:
I like that; your beginning journey on the road less traveled.
I like your humble approach, you knowing that such sojourns
are hard. I wish you good luck and also congratulate you on
your priorities: Your family FIRST. Kudos to you, KW!
hanson
PS:
"Aether particle very illusive because they must be
massless and chargeless."... sounds kinda like the
properties needed for the conjectured WIMPS or
the quanta of Dark energy or Dark matter, all just
Aethers by another name... elusive, but always
hinting and teasing that it is there... everywhere.
It is interesting to see how many people & institutions
are working... under all kinds of guises & pretenses...
to get to the Aether... which , like the dust, does rise
again and again and again... ahahaha... AHAHAHA...

[Edward Green]

Post by hanson
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....
To the Einstein Dingleberries, the MMXers  and
other disciples, practitioners and theoriticans of
heuristic, geriatric physics.... Aether is a Horror.
And like Horror, Aether has a face.
Aether, like Horror, is an intellectual terror that
must become your friends.    For if they are not,
then they are enemies to be feared. They are
truly enemies that cause you bitter, grieveous
tears...and denial is in vain and gives you pain..
cuz ... Aether, like the dust,.. will just rise again....
So, to start with, how many concepts or versions
 of Aether are there. (forget the chemical one).. ?
and you may begin with asking yourself:  If matter,
energy and force-fields bend space, then what is it
that this bent or curled space is embedded  in?
What is the underlying medium or matrix that gives
3D space these alleged properties?... i.e. if the
space of the universe expands, then what does it
expand into?..or if the "universe is not expanding
into anything; there is simply more space at later
times than at earlier times".. then where does this
"more space" come from?...

Of course there is an aether, Hanson. You have my word upon it.

Other than that, I've too much LASSITUDE to answer.

Best,

...

[Jeff▲Relf]

The stress-energy tensor Fuels gravity and
4-D gravitational fields define “ time ”, “ Up ”, etc.

Time is spatial because — intrinsically — nothing is random;
nothing is acausal, the future is just as fixed as the past.
The cosmos “ just is ”, 4-D static, eternal, everything yet nothing.

4-D fields are imponderable; Einstein said:
“ I see a clock, but I cannot envision the clockmaker.

The human mind is unable to conceive of the four dimensions,
so how can it conceive of a God,
before whom a thousand years and a thousand dimensions are as one ? ”.
— “ The Expanded Quotable Einstein ”,
Princeton University Press, 2000 Page 208

As this fuel gets spent — and, to our 3-D minds, it is being spent —
our 3-D visible Universe has cooled and exanpanded 1,088 times
in the last 13.7 giga years.

The edge of our Visible Universe is currently 45 giga light years away
and receeding .. but that's just our current horizon, nothing more.

[hanson]

---------------- ahahahahaha... HAHAHA ------------
"Jeff?Relf" <***@Seattle.Invalid> wrote about
many, many mysterious "“" and "— signs which
appear to be flakes of Jeff's Aether, and he concluded
that must be so because according to Jeff:
::J:: "The human mind is unable to conceive of the four
::J:: dimensions, so how can it conceive of a God, "
hanson wrote:
Well, that is all good and right, Jeff. But we are
talking here about the simple and ancient concept
of the physical Aether and not about a concatenated
string of meaningless Einstein Dingleberry buzz words
like "The stress-energy tensor Fuels gravity.".. ahaha...
And of course I am sure that some people are unable
to conceive the normal 3D space + time (4 dimensions)....
Do you, Jeff, have that blessed & anointed type of mind?
And about that God thing, you will have to consult
with mental patient & Anti-Semite Hemorrhoid-
Hammond Georgi and his g_uvfy God-Poof theory.
Jeff, could you muster the courtesy of making a
reference whom you are addressing? if not then
I must answer your future posts with a simple "Phfffttt".
ahahaha... ahahahanson

[Jeff▲Relf]

Your handlers won't let you access Sci.Physics, Phfffttt;
and I'm supposed to care if you don't reply to me ?

You want to know what I'm replying to ? why ask me ?
Check the header of your very own post,
the “ heritage ” is there, parent post and all ( oldest first ):
hanson news:aYuDk.293$***@nwrddc02.gnilink.net
Edward Green news:3a5b6d5a-edf4-4eac-b90d-***@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
Jeff▲Relf news:***@Seattle.2008_Sep.27|8.00pm|V
hanson news:eXDDk.447$***@nwrddc02.gnilink.net

[hanson]

hanson wrote
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/86e1c76e921d7aac?hl=en
ahahahahaha... AHAHAHA
"Jeff?Relf" <***@Seattle.Invalid> wrote in message news:***@Seattle.2008_Sep.27|10.48pm|o...
Your handlers won't let you access Sci.Physics, Phfffttt;
and I'm supposed to care if you don't reply to me ?
hanson wrote:
In the above link your confessed that your mind was
not able to comprehend 4 dimensions, like 3L +1 T...
No wonder that you can't distinguish neither between
a handler and an ISP like Verizon which has cut
10'000s of NG feeds, including s.p, to its subscribers.
I told you that before but apparently your mind has
;leakages... ahahaha...
... "handlers!"... ahahahaha.... "handlers".. would you
like to see your wrap sheet about your own analinguistic
handlers reposted?... hahahaha...

Post by Jeff▲Relf
You want to know what I'm replying to ? why ask me ?
Check the header of your very own post,

hanson wrote:
Now why couldn't you simply have started your last post
with: "Ed Green... and whatever you wanted to say"?
and I would not have bothered with your tripe and left
you alone....
In your post facto lamenting about headers, do know that
OE6 only shows message IDs but no names... Now return
to the Aether subject or I must assume that you yearn
to see your analinguistic handlers' wrap sheet reposted...
hahahaha...

[Jeff▲Relf]

The “ heritage ” is there, in your headers,
including the parent post, Outlook shows it;
it's not my fault if you refuse to look at it.

Your handlers won't let you spend 10 Euros/year on Individual.NET;
or so you told me, recently, see: news:Nz9Dk.95$***@nwrddc01.gnilink.net

If they allowed it, you wouldn't have to use Verizon's NNTP servers.
You understand that, right ?

As I told you, even if Verizon blocks 119 ,
News.Individual.NET also listens on port 8119 .

[hanson]

"Jeff?Relf" <***@Seattle.Invalid> wrote "Phfffttt"

[Androcles]

"hanson" <***@quick.net> wrote in message news:agODk.497$***@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
Aether -- "Phfffttt"

[hanson]

Post by Androcles
Aether -- "Phfffttt"

which is the sound it makes in your own mind ... ahahaha....

[Androcles]

"hanson" <***@quick.net> wrote in message news:vaQDk.565$***@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...

Get Kinky Wobbly to explain worshipping aether to you. He's a Maxwell
Dingleberry.
Phfffttt

[hanson]

"Andorcles" <***@Hogwarts.physics> wrote
Aether -- "Phfffttt"
which is the sound it makes in your own mind ... ahahaha
so "observed" "hanson" <***@quick.net>
"Andorcles" wrote:
Get Kinky Wobbly to explain worshipping aether to you.
He's a Maxwell Dingleberry. Phfffttt
hanson wrote:
So, there are Maxwell Dingleberries, like Newton
Dingleberries, etc... ahahahaha.. AHAHAHA...
... See, that's how the Aether makes you fear it,
has you believe your notion and stirs you up like
dust by the wind... and gives you pain.. cuz like
the dust,.. it will rise again, and again and again:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/4f4685f5cfaad8f5?hl=en
Investigate it or it will hound you again and again.
MMXing and Ringlasering does only show that light
spreads in all directions equally. That's all! M & R
does NOT even remotely suggest and allow you
to preclude and deny the existence of an aether.
That denial is only a politically correct worshipping
practice to stay behind with old beliefs... Aether
denial is a fear of daring to look into the unknown.
That denial notion is borne out of the experience
that you can observe most experiments without
a need for an Aether, just like most experiences
can be described by Newtonian physics without
the need for Einstein crap... You can deny the
Aether with the greatest of pain... but just like the
dust it will rise again and again and again...
Unlike you, there are some brave & daring souls
who have the balls to go and see... and do come
back with "Dark energy and Dark matter", still all
just Aethers by another name, which will cause
you pain.. because like dust, it will rise again and
again and again... AHAHAHAHA... ahahahanson

[Androcles]

Post by Androcles
Aether -- "Phfffttt"
which is the sound it makes in your own mind ... ahahaha
Get Kinky Wobbly to explain worshipping aether to you.
He's a Maxwell Dingleberry. Phfffttt
So, there are Maxwell Dingleberries, like Newton
Dingleberries, etc... ahahahaha.. AHAHAHA...
... See, that's how the Aether makes you fear it,

As you are terrified of time dilation, whch causes you to dance.

Post by Androcles
MMXing and Ringlasering does only show that light
spreads in all directions equally.

Not at all. Beams are used.

Post by Androcles
Unlike you, there are some brave & daring souls
who have the balls to go and see...

Be brave and daring then, have the balls to go and see
your terrifying time dilation.

If I snipped part of the post it's because it was as stupid
as your dance.

[hanson]

-------------.... ahahahaha -----------
---------- ahahAHAHAahaha ----------
-------- AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA -----------
"Andorkles" <***@Hogwarts.physics>
wrote in message news:BrSDk.43345$***@newsfe12.ams2...
If I snipped part of the post it's because
it was as stupidas your dance.
hanson wrote:
ahahaha... which scared you shitless, for like the
dust... the aether rose again with its music that
you are too afraid to hear... ahahaha... Here it
comes again with your trembling interludes:
Andorcles" wrote:
Get Kinky Wobbly to explain worshipping aether to you.
He's a Maxwell Dingleberry. Phfffttt
hanson wrote:
So, there are Maxwell Dingleberries, and like
you, Newton Dingleberries, etc... AHAHAHA...
... See, that's how the Aether makes you fear it,
**** and Andorkles answered in his utter fear
**** of the Aether with:
::A:: ---- "... time dilation.... ---- "
**** ahahahaha... So, you finally turn now into
**** an Einstein Dingleberry seeking refuge
**** behind "time dilation"... ahahahaha.....
hanson wrote:
... See, that's how the Aether makes you fear it,
has you believe your notion and stirs you up like
dust by the wind... and gives you pain.. cuz like
the dust,.. it will rise again, and again and again:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/4f4685f5cfaad8f5?hl=en
Investigate it or it will hound you again and again.
MMXing and Ringlasering does only show that light
spreads in all directions equally. That's all! M & R
does NOT even remotely suggest and allow you
to preclude and deny the existence of an aether.
**** and Andorkles answered in his utter fear
**** of the Aether:
::A:: ---- "Not at all. Beams are used" -----.
**** That's an admission of abject fear, dude!
**** The Aether got you by the balls... ahaha...
**** You should have said "I - beams" & would
**** would have been better of... AHAHAHA....
hanson wrote:
That denial is only a politically correct worshipping
practice to stay behind with old beliefs... Aether
denial is a fear of daring to look into the unknown.
That denial notion is borne out of the experience
that you can observe most experiments without
a need for an Aether, just like most experiences
can be described by Newtonian physics without
the need for Einstein crap... You can deny the
Aether with the greatest of pain... but just like the
dust it will rise again and again and again...
Unlike you, there are some brave & daring souls
who have the balls to go and see... and do come
back with "Dark energy and Dark matter", still all
just Aethers by another name, which will cause
you pain.. because like dust, it will rise again and
again and again... AHAHAHAHA... ahahahanson

[Androcles]

Post by hanson
-------------.... ahahahaha -----------
---------- ahahAHAHAahaha ----------
-------- AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA -----------
If I snipped part of the post it's because
it was as stupidas your dance.
ahahaha... which scared you shitless, for like the
dust... the aether rose again with its music that
you are too afraid to hear... ahahaha... Here it
Get Kinky Wobbly to explain worshipping aether to you.
He's a Maxwell Dingleberry. Phfffttt
So, there are Maxwell Dingleberries, and like
you, Newton Dingleberries, etc... AHAHAHA...
... See, that's how the Aether makes you fear it,
**** and Andorkles answered in his utter fear
::A:: ---- "... time dilation.... ---- "
**** ahahahaha... So, you finally turn now into
**** an Einstein Dingleberry seeking refuge
**** behind "time dilation"... ahahahaha.....
... See, that's how the Aether makes you fear it,
has you believe your notion and stirs you up like
dust by the wind... and gives you pain.. cuz like
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/4f4685f5cfaad8f5?hl=en
Investigate it or it will hound you again and again.
MMXing and Ringlasering does only show that light
spreads in all directions equally. That's all! M & R
does NOT even remotely suggest and allow you
to preclude and deny the existence of an aether.
**** and Andorkles answered in his utter fear
::A:: ---- "Not at all. Beams are used" -----.
**** That's an admission of abject fear, dude!
**** The Aether got you by the balls... ahaha...
**** You should have said "I - beams" & would
**** would have been better of... AHAHAHA....
That denial is only a politically correct worshipping
practice to stay behind with old beliefs... Aether
denial is a fear of daring to look into the unknown.
That denial notion is borne out of the experience
that you can observe most experiments without
a need for an Aether, just like most experiences
can be described by Newtonian physics without
the need for Einstein crap... You can deny the
Aether with the greatest of pain... but just like the
dust it will rise again and again and again...
Unlike you, there are some brave & daring souls
who have the balls to go and see... and do come
back with "Dark energy and Dark matter", still all
just Aethers by another name, which will cause
you pain.. because like dust, it will rise again and
again and again... AHAHAHAHA... ahahahanson

Bounce a laser from the ISS off the Moon at moonrise,
repeat at moonset and prove your aether.
You've had reflectors on the Moon for nearly 40 years and
are scared to use them. Unlike you Jewish Yanks, there are
some brave & daring souls who have the balls to go and see
-- the Chinese are on their way, waving their flag in space.
Loading Image...
Nice of you to put mirrors on the Moon for them.
That causes you pain.

[hanson]

-------- AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA -----------
---------- ahahAHAHAahaha ----------
-------------.... ahahahaha -----------
"Androcles" <***@Hogwarts.physics>,
now you are weaseling like an Andorkles... ahaha..
I'll leave this whole tripe untouched and unsnipped
because it so hilarious. My comments are at the
end... ahahaha...

Post by Androcles

Post by hanson
-------------.... ahahahaha -----------
---------- ahahAHAHAahaha ----------
-------- AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA -----------
If I snipped part of the post it's because
it was as stupidas your dance.
ahahaha... which scared you shitless, for like the
dust... the aether rose again with its music that
you are too afraid to hear... ahahaha... Here it
Get Kinky Wobbly to explain worshipping aether to you.
He's a Maxwell Dingleberry. Phfffttt
So, there are Maxwell Dingleberries, and like
you, Newton Dingleberries, etc... AHAHAHA...
... See, that's how the Aether makes you fear it,
**** and Andorkles answered in his utter fear
::A:: ---- "... time dilation.... ---- "
**** ahahahaha... So, you finally turn now into
**** an Einstein Dingleberry seeking refuge
**** behind "time dilation"... ahahahaha.....
... See, that's how the Aether makes you fear it,
has you believe your notion and stirs you up like
dust by the wind... and gives you pain.. cuz like
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/4f4685f5cfaad8f5?hl=en
Investigate it or it will hound you again and again.
MMXing and Ringlasering does only show that light
spreads in all directions equally. That's all! M & R
does NOT even remotely suggest and allow you
to preclude and deny the existence of an aether.
**** and Andorkles answered in his utter fear
::A:: ---- "Not at all. Beams are used" -----.
**** That's an admission of abject fear, dude!
**** The Aether got you by the balls... ahaha...
**** You should have said "I - beams" & would
**** would have been better of... AHAHAHA....
That denial is only a politically correct worshipping
practice to stay behind with old beliefs... Aether
denial is a fear of daring to look into the unknown.
That denial notion is borne out of the experience
that you can observe most experiments without
a need for an Aether, just like most experiences
can be described by Newtonian physics without
the need for Einstein crap... You can deny the
Aether with the greatest of pain... but just like the
dust it will rise again and again and again...
Unlike you, there are some brave & daring souls
who have the balls to go and see... and do come
back with "Dark energy and Dark matter", still all
just Aethers by another name, which will cause
you pain.. because like dust, it will rise again and
again and again... AHAHAHAHA... ahahahanson

Bounce a laser from the ISS off the Moon at moonrise,
repeat at moonset and prove your aether.
You've had reflectors on the Moon for nearly 40 years and
are scared to use them. Unlike you Jewish Yanks, there are
some brave & daring souls who have the balls to go and see
-- the Chinese are on their way, waving their flag in space.
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/09/27/astronaut_wideweb__470x334,0.jpg
Nice of you to put mirrors on the Moon for them.
That causes you pain

hanson wrote:
... ahahahaha... That's too much!... ahahaha...
"Pain" it not the issue... the Aether's "to be or not
to be" is the subject at hand... AHAHAHA... and
what does US or Chinese Space **Technology**
or Jewish Yanks have to do with the **Physics"
of whether there is an Aether or not?.... AHAHA.....
All you did with your latest tripe is to blow wind into
the dust and hope in vain... that the Aether will not
rise again... but it does, again and again and again.
So old mate, thus far I have asked to check the roads
less traveled in/with the hope to detect news signs of
**physics** FOR the existence of the Aether....
Now, without malfeasance nor polemics let me make
the task easier for you and reverse the situation:
Since you are SO convinced that there is NO Aether.
**Proof it!**.. Prove that there can be no aether under
no/any circumstances. Proof that Aether is a physical
impossibility... not by insinuation, conjecture, projection
and interpretation... But proof from first principles that
there can not be and never can be an Aether...
I'll offer you even a safety valve or parachute. Simply say
"I don't know and I don't care". Case close & you don't
have to apologize for your hysterics and vulgarities.
Don't disappoint but please Varney Mike3's hope who
said: "Androcles your 'post' does NOTHING to help
people like me who want to learn and understand WHY
it is stupid and wrong [to ask about and to investigate
the possibility of the Aether's existence]

If you wish, commence the dance, Madame.... ahaha...
ahahahaha... ahahanson

[Androcles]

Post by hanson
-------- AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA -----------
---------- ahahAHAHAahaha ----------
-------------.... ahahahaha -----------
now you are weaseling like an Andorkles... ahaha..
I'll leave this whole tripe untouched and unsnipped
because it so hilarious. My comments are at the
end... ahahaha...

Post by Androcles

Post by hanson
-------------.... ahahahaha -----------
---------- ahahAHAHAahaha ----------
-------- AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA -----------
If I snipped part of the post it's because
it was as stupidas your dance.
ahahaha... which scared you shitless, for like the
dust... the aether rose again with its music that
you are too afraid to hear... ahahaha... Here it
Get Kinky Wobbly to explain worshipping aether to you.
He's a Maxwell Dingleberry. Phfffttt
So, there are Maxwell Dingleberries, and like
you, Newton Dingleberries, etc... AHAHAHA...
... See, that's how the Aether makes you fear it,
**** and Andorkles answered in his utter fear
::A:: ---- "... time dilation.... ---- "
**** ahahahaha... So, you finally turn now into
**** an Einstein Dingleberry seeking refuge
**** behind "time dilation"... ahahahaha.....
... See, that's how the Aether makes you fear it,
has you believe your notion and stirs you up like
dust by the wind... and gives you pain.. cuz like
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/4f4685f5cfaad8f5?hl=en
Investigate it or it will hound you again and again.
MMXing and Ringlasering does only show that light
spreads in all directions equally. That's all! M & R
does NOT even remotely suggest and allow you
to preclude and deny the existence of an aether.
**** and Andorkles answered in his utter fear
::A:: ---- "Not at all. Beams are used" -----.
**** That's an admission of abject fear, dude!
**** The Aether got you by the balls... ahaha...
**** You should have said "I - beams" & would
**** would have been better of... AHAHAHA....
That denial is only a politically correct worshipping
practice to stay behind with old beliefs... Aether
denial is a fear of daring to look into the unknown.
That denial notion is borne out of the experience
that you can observe most experiments without
a need for an Aether, just like most experiences
can be described by Newtonian physics without
the need for Einstein crap... You can deny the
Aether with the greatest of pain... but just like the
dust it will rise again and again and again...
Unlike you, there are some brave & daring souls
who have the balls to go and see... and do come
back with "Dark energy and Dark matter", still all
just Aethers by another name, which will cause
you pain.. because like dust, it will rise again and
again and again... AHAHAHAHA... ahahahanson

Bounce a laser from the ISS off the Moon at moonrise,
repeat at moonset and prove your aether.
You've had reflectors on the Moon for nearly 40 years and
are scared to use them. Unlike you Jewish Yanks, there are
some brave & daring souls who have the balls to go and see
-- the Chinese are on their way, waving their flag in space.
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/09/27/astronaut_wideweb__470x334,0.jpg
Nice of you to put mirrors on the Moon for them.
That causes you pain

... ahahahaha... That's too much!... ahahaha...
"Pain" it not the issue... the Aether's "to be or not
to be" is the subject at hand... AHAHAHA... and
what does US or Chinese Space **Technology**
or Jewish Yanks have to do with the **Physics"
of whether there is an Aether or not?.... AHAHA.....
All you did with your latest tripe is to blow wind into
the dust and hope in vain... that the Aether will not
rise again... but it does, again and again and again.
So old mate, thus far I have asked to check the roads
less traveled in/with the hope to detect news signs of
**physics** FOR the existence of the Aether....
Now, without malfeasance nor polemics let me make
Since you are SO convinced that there is NO Aether.
**Proof it!**.. Prove that there can be no aether under
no/any circumstances. Proof that Aether is a physical
impossibility... not by insinuation, conjecture, projection
and interpretation... But proof from first principles that
there can not be and never can be an Aether...
I'll offer you even a safety valve or parachute. Simply say
"I don't know and I don't care". Case close & you don't
have to apologize for your hysterics and vulgarities.
Don't disappoint but please Varney Mike3's hope who
said: "Androcles your 'post' does NOTHING to help
people like me who want to learn and understand WHY
it is stupid and wrong [to ask about and to investigate
the possibility of the Aether's existence]
If you wish, commence the dance, Madame.... ahaha...
ahahahaha... ahahanson

Nothing can help Varney, and you are too stupid to realise nobody
can prove there are no bright green flying elephants under no/any
circumstances. Burden of proof is upon the claimant.

One arm of MMX disproves aether using timing comparisons with
the transverse arm, but you can use clocks instead if you make the
arm long enough and move the source. Shoot the Moon with a
laser from the ISS, checking the road untravelled. Job done, there
is no aether. But it was already done in 1886 by Michelson (a true
American) and again in 1975 by me.

See, when Einstein said
the speed of light from A to B is c-v,
the speed of light from B to A is c+v,
he was absolutely right.
Where he went wrong was in saying the "time" each way is the same.
Being a card carrying member of the Yankee Jews, he doesn't want
his crank theory tested. The Chinese will do it, they are already fucking
up your economy by making better computers and better space craft.
As to your safety valve, I DO know and DON'T care.
Say "haha" when you dance, ha-cha-hanson old mate, to hide the pain.

[hanson]

-------- AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA -----------
---------- ahahAHAHAahaha ----------
-------------.... ahahahaha -----------
====== Androcles' Principle =======
== When in trouble, when in doubt ==
== Run in circles, scream and shout ==
====== Androcles' Principle =======
"Androcles" <***@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message news:Qi2Ek.40349$***@newsfe11.ams2...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/934bcc00f7370ad8?hl=en
hanson wrote:
ahahaha.... to save you, Andro, from more continued
embarrassment I have not snipped but cloaked
your entire sorry tripe in the above link.... ahahaha...
Andro, you obviously have no answers to the subject
at hand and you behave like the dork who compulsively
buys an advertised item for which some assembly is
requires. Then it turns out that you do NOT have the
ability to assemble it ... and so you invoke:
====== Androcles' Principle =======
== When in trouble, when in doubt ==
== Run in circles, scream and shout ==
====== Androcles' Principle =======
So long, sucker.... But don't worry I'll still invite you to
another dance elsewhere... See you later, alligator...
Thanks for the laughs... ahahaha...ahahahanson

[Androcles]

Post by hanson
-------- AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA -----------
---------- ahahAHAHAahaha ----------
-------------.... ahahahaha -----------
====== Androcles' Principle =======
== When in trouble, when in doubt ==
== Run in circles, scream and shout ==
====== Androcles' Principle =======
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/934bcc00f7370ad8?hl=en
ahahaha.... to save you, Andro, from more continued
embarrassment I have not snipped but cloaked
your entire sorry tripe in the above link.... ahahaha...
Andro, you obviously have no answers to the subject
at hand and you behave like the dork who compulsively
buys an advertised item for which some assembly is
requires. Then it turns out that you do NOT have the
====== Androcles' Principle =======
== When in trouble, when in doubt ==
== Run in circles, scream and shout ==
====== Androcles' Principle =======
So long, sucker.... But don't worry I'll still invite you to
another dance elsewhere... See you later, alligator...
Thanks for the laughs... ahahaha...ahahahanson

No answers, eh, shithead?
====== Chachahanson's Principle =======
== When in trouble, when in doubt ==
== Snip and run, squeal and pout ==
====== Chachahanson's Principle =======

So long, cretin. Thanks for the stupidity.

[hanson]

Awe.. awe.. awe.. Awww... Awe.... ahahahaha...
and now Androcles CRANKED himself like
----------------- never before ---------------
-------------.... ahahahaha -----------
---------- ahahAHAHAahaha ----------
-------- AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA -----------
Androcles" <***@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message news:WP9Ek.124374$***@newsfe10.ams2...
"hanson" <***@quick.net> wrote in message news:it6Ek.729$***@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
====== Androcles' Principle =======
== When in trouble, when in doubt ==
== Run in circles, scream and shout ==
====== Androcles' Principle =======
"Androcles" <***@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message news:Qi2Ek.40349$***@newsfe11.ams2...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/934bcc00f7370ad8?hl=en

--- [L] ---

hanson wrote:
ahahaha.... to save you, Andro, from more continued
embarrassment I have not snipped [**S**] but cloaked
your entire sorry tripe in the above link [L].... ahahaha...
Andro, you obviously have no answers to the subject
at hand and you behave like the dork who compulsively
buys an advertised item for which some assembly is
requires. Then it turns out that you do NOT have the
ability to assemble it ... and so you invoke:
====== Androcles' Principle =======
== When in trouble, when in doubt ==
== Run in circles, scream and shout ==
====== Androcles' Principle =======
So long, sucker.... But don't worry I'll still invite you to
another dance elsewhere... See you later, alligator...
Thanks for the laughs... ahahaha...ahahahanson
Andorkles, visibly shaken, disturbed & vulgar wrote:
No answers, eh, shithead? [1]
====== Chachahanson's Principle =======
== When in trouble, when in doubt ==
== Snip and run, squeal and pout ==
====== Chachahanson's Principle ======= [2]
So long, cretin [3]. Thanks for the stupidity. [4]
hanson wrote:
AHAHAHAHAHA.. See, what the Aether did to you? It
made you [1] vulgar & obscene, made you [2] plagiarize,
made you look into the mirror [3] and turned you into
an unimaginative [5] loud-mouth.... ahaha... AHAHAHA
Aether is very powerful. It has you under its total control
and you still can't see that?... Your loss, old buddy... ahaha...
But thanks for the laughs... HAHAHAHA... ahahahanson
PS:
--- Not "post script" -- but "Pastoral Sermon" ---
------ for Androcles -- turned Andorkles ------
I am so sorry that you discombobulated yourself so
grieveously that while you "ran, squealed & pouted"
you didn't even recognize & much less comprehend
what I said in [**S**], in your complaint about snipping.
So, with that now you have drawn full attention to all your
sub-intellectual embarrassment that you have offered in
that link [L] above... ahahahahaha... AHAHAHHAHA..
Aether, huh?... Powerful stuff!!... I am telling you, man.
All you did with your latest tripe [1, 2, 3 and 4 ] is to blow
wind into the dust and hope in vain... that the Aether, like
the dust will not rise again... But it does, again and again.
Bless, you poor, tormented dude, but while you still can,
consider the question, (whether it comes out of the
Aether or not): **Have we really discovered ALL the
properties that the photon has?**.. We know only of
its most obvious interaction modes.. And as long
as we only have these current tools... physics (not
technology) will remain stuck where it is today.

[Androcles]

Post by hanson
Awe.. awe.. awe.. Awww... Awe.... ahahahaha...

and now chachahanson CRANKED himself again,
waving his aether hoping for a bite, the fuckin' crank.

[hanson]

"hanson" <***@quick.net> wrote:
Awe.. awe.. awe.. Awww... Awe.... ahahahaha...
and now Androcles CRANKED himself even
------------- more than before ---------------
-------------.... ahahahaha -----------
---------- ahahAHAHAahaha ----------
-------- AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA -----------
====== Androcles' Principle =======
== When in trouble, when in doubt ==
== Run in circles, scream and shout ==
====== Androcles' Principle =======
------------------ next post ------------
"Androcles" <***@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message news:Qi2Ek.40349$***@newsfe11.ams2...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/934bcc00f7370ad8?hl=en

--- [L] ---

------------------ next post ------------
hanson wrote:
ahahaha.... to save you, Andro, from more continued
embarrassment I have not snipped [**S**] but cloaked
your entire sorry tripe in the above link [L].... ahahaha...
Andro, you obviously have no answers to the subject
at hand and you behave like the dork who compulsively
buys an advertised item for which some assembly is
requires. Then it turns out that you do NOT have the
ability to assemble it ... and so you invoke:
====== Androcles' Principle =======
== When in trouble, when in doubt ==
== Run in circles, scream and shout ==
====== Androcles' Principle =======
So long, sucker.... But don't worry I'll still invite you to
another dance elsewhere... See you later, alligator...
Thanks for the laughs... ahahaha...ahahahanson
------------------ next post ------------
Andorkles, visibly shaken, disturbed & vulgar wrote:
No answers, eh, shithead? [1]
====== Chachahanson's Principle =======
== When in trouble, when in doubt ==
== Snip and run, squeal and pout ==
====== Chachahanson's Principle ======= [2]
So long, cretin [3]. Thanks for the stupidity. [4]
------------------ next post ----------
hanson wrote:
AHAHAHAHAHA.. See, what the Aether did to you? It
made you [1] vulgar & obscene, made you [2] plagiarize,
made you look into the mirror [3] and turned you into
an unimaginative [5] loud-mouth.... ahaha... AHAHAHA
Aether is very powerful. It has you under its total control
and you still can't see that?... Your loss, old buddy... ahaha...
But thanks for the laughs... HAHAHAHA... ahahahanson
PS:
--- Not "post script" -- but "Pastoral Sermon" ---
------ for Androcles -- turned Andorkles ------
I am so sorry that you discombobulated yourself so
grieveously that while you "ran, squealed & pouted"
you didn't even recognize & much less comprehend
what I said in [**S**], in your complaint about snipping.
So, with that now you have drawn full attention to all your
sub-intellectual embarrassment that you have offered in
that link [L] above... ahahahahaha... AHAHAHHAHA..
Aether, huh?... Powerful stuff!!... I am telling you, man.
All you did with your latest tripe [1, 2, 3 and 4 ] is to blow
wind into the dust and hope in vain... that the Aether, like
the dust will not rise again... But it does, again and again.
Bless, you poor, tormented dude, but while you still can,
consider the question, (whether it comes out of the
Aether or not): **Have we really discovered ALL the
properties that the photon has?**.. We know only of
its most obvious interaction modes.. And as long
as we only have these current tools... physics (not
technology) will remain stuck where it is today.
------------------ next post ----------
"Andorcles" <***@Hogwarts.physics> in news:A1eEk.49814$***@newsfe11.ams2...
had barely enough consciousness left, and begins
to confuse who is who and what is what and wrote
the following paragraph:
::A:: "hanson" <***@quick.net> wrote in message
::A:: news:pFcEk.863$***@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
::A:: > Awe.. awe.. awe.. Awww... Awe.... ahahahaha...
::A:: and now chachahanson CRANKED himself again,
::A:: waving his aether hoping for a bite, the fuckin' crank.
------------------ next post ----------
'hanson wrote:
-------- Quasi-Haiku for Andorkles ----
and so Adrorkles, in his emerging delirium tremens,
during one of his ever more frequently occurring alky
fits, ... when someone does not agree with him,... he,
Andorcles, in his diminished menatl capacity, was only
able to produce the last two ::A:: lines of the 4 above.
... Heavy! ... ahahahaha.. ahahahaha.... hahahahahaha...
and now, predictably Androcles is lurking, waiting,
brooding, steaming, fermenting, fomenting and frothing
while guzzling another jug'o Gin, and blows in his despair
into the dust and hopes in vain... that the Aether, like
the dust will not rise again... But it does, again & again.
Androcles knows that there is something wrong with
him. But he just can't figure out what it is... anymore.
Awe.. awe.. awe.. Awww... Awe.... ahahahaha...
Anyway, word just got in that Andro went AWOL and
is lose in his substitute type of transportation which he
uses ever since May 12th 08 when he posted that
"the Vehicle Licensing Agency telling me I'm losing
my truck license on medical grounds so that's the last
of the honest day's work for me." ... AHAHAHAHA...

So, here is Andro, caught on the security camera during
our "rescue & retrieval operation" by our specialists to
get Androcles back into our care in our state of the art
facilities for the mentally handydicapped at Ravencrag:
Loading Image...
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/cobrajal.htm#Hanson
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/cobrajal.htm#Ravencrag
In the the post below, after we have loving administered
to Androcles, you will see in what condition he is now:
------------------ next post ----------

[Anonymous Remailer]

Post by Androcles

-------- AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ----------- ---------- ahahAHAHAahaha
---------- -------------.... ahahahaha -----------
So long, sucker.... But don't worry I'll still invite you to another
dance elsewhere... See you later, alligator... Thanks for the laughs...
ahahaha...ahahahanson

No answers, eh, shithead?
====== Chachahanson's Principle ======= == When in trouble, when in
doubt ==
== Snip and run, squeal and pout == ====== Chachahanson's Principle
=======
So long, cretin. Thanks for the stupidity.

I hope you fellows will kiss and make up: This group won't be the happy
place it was until you do.

[Koobee Wublee]

Post by Anonymous Remailer

Post by Androcles
So long, cretin. Thanks for the stupidity.

I hope you fellows will kiss and make up: This group won't be the happy
place it was until you do.

No, these newsgroups would be much better off without psychos such as
Androcles, Gisse, moortel, and their cronies. Productive discussion
in science leaves no room for reconciliations with any of these
psychotic individuals. <shrug>

[Dirk Van de moortel]

Post by Koobee Wublee

Post by Anonymous Remailer

Post by Androcles
So long, cretin. Thanks for the stupidity.

I hope you fellows will kiss and make up: This group won't be the happy
place it was until you do.

Each other - that all they've got left :-)

Post by Koobee Wublee
No, these newsgroups would be much better off without psychos such as
Androcles, Gisse, moortel, and their cronies. Productive discussion
in science leaves no room for reconciliations with any of these
psychotic individuals. <shrug>

Productive aerospace engineers discussion:
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/AbsurdClaim.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/PrivateLagrangian.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/LonelyTop.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/SmellHere.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/TwoMetrics.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/DiffGeoAero.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/FlatSphere.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/LorentzTale.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/SRBogus.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/ReasonLaws.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/NewLagrangian.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/LosingIt.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/AerospaceRelativity.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/NewPotential.html
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/WhatWrong.html

Dirk Vdm

[s***@gmail.com]

On Sep 30, 9:41 am, "Dirk Van de moortel"

Post by Dirk Van de moortel

Post by Koobee Wublee

Post by Anonymous Remailer

Post by Androcles
So long, cretin. Thanks for the stupidity.

I hope you fellows will kiss and make up: This group won't be the happy
place it was until you do.

Each other - that all they've got left :-)

Post by Koobee Wublee
No, these newsgroups would be much better off without psychos such as
Androcles, Gisse, moortel, and their cronies.  Productive discussion
in science leaves no room for reconciliations with any of these
psychotic individuals.  <shrug>

 http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/AbsurdClaim.html
 http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/PrivateLagrang...
 http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/LonelyTop.html
 http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/SmellHere.html
 http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/TwoMetrics.html
 http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/DiffGeoAero.html
 http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/FlatSphere.html
 http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/LorentzTale.html
 http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/SRBogus.html
 http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/ReasonLaws.html
 http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/NewLagrangian....
 http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/LosingIt.html
 http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/AerospaceRelat...
 http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/NewPotential.html
 http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/WhatWrong.html
Dirk Vdm

Well well, look who got turned on by the kiss and make up remark?

[hanson]

Post by Androcles

Post by hanson
-------- AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA -----------
---------- ahahAHAHAahaha
---------- -------------.... ahahahaha -----------
So long, sucker.... But don't worry I'll still invite you
to another dance elsewhere... See you later, alligator...
Thanks for the laughs... ahahaha...ahahahanson

No answers, eh, shithead?
====== Chachahanson's Principle =======
====== When in trouble, when in doubt ===
== === Snip and run, squeal and pout ===
====== Chachahanson's Principle =======
So long, cretin. Thanks for the stupidity.

This group won't be the happy place it was until you do.

hanson wrote:
Nein, nein, das ist nicht so. Alle Gruppen-mitglieder
lachen sich hier den Arsch ab, ueber die alkoholishen
Wut-anfaelle von Androcles, ... wenn jemand ihm sein
Quatsch nicht abkauft... ahahahaha... Warum postest
Du anonym?.. Hast Du Angst for/wegen dem Androcles?
Der alte Koeter hat doch nicht mehr all Tassen im Schrank.
Recipe for cranking Androcles:
1) Disagree with Androcles on one single thing.
2) Snip all of his tripe & discuss only 1- 2 lines with him.
3) Tell him that Aether exists and is all around.
4) Tell him that making spread sheets is not physics.
5) Say to him that Einstein is better then Newton.
These 5 and many more reasons will precipitate in
Androcles an immediate & involuntary alcoholic spasm
and tantrum and he starts to curse you like an old
street whore that got rejected or cheated out of the 10
cents for her "services rendered".... ahahahaha....
Long gone are his days when he realized that his own
opinions are not any better nor worse then other
opinions held by other people. And that makes him
so specially hilarious... ahahahaha... ahahaha...
Androcles is great fun.. except He doesn't see it that
way... because of his advancing age & -alcoholism,
especially ever since May 12th 08 when he posted
that "the Vehicle Licensing Agency telling me I'm losing
my truck license on medical grounds so that's the last
of the honest day's work for me." ... AHAHAHAHA...
So, now Androcles is crusing the cyber-highways
and is cussing and cursing like all good drivers do...
What's wrong with that!?... ahahaha... See, all is cool!
He needs cyber drivers like me or he will lose his mind
altogether... ahahahaha... ahahaha...
I am a compassionate Samaritan, "pure, clean and pristine
like the driven snow"... which cranks Androcles so very
grievously since can he never reach that level of bliss
... AHAHAHAHA.. AHAHAHA... ahahahaha..
You'll probably get an anointment from Androcles for
suggesting what you did...
Thanks for the laughs, Landser... ahahaha.. ahanson

[spudnik]

why is it necessary to say that
the aether is not sensible -- or
in any way verifiably tractable?... I mean,
Michelson-Morley et al did not have "null results,"
contrary to pop-sci opinion; get over it, or
read a larouchiac website.

thus:
dood, I'd say,
he was your lickspittle, and
just accept the consequences.

thus:
http://space.newscientist.com/article/mg18925423.600
I looked at the *NS* article in your link, and
it didn't explain how it was determined that
there was "excess of positrons near the galactic center;"
so, how can one tell, given that light from antimatter
is the same as light from matter?
it's kind of cool, though,
to get rid of the paradox of black holes, if
it is just not another intractable paradox, but
there was also no explanation of how it is "antigravitic"
on the inside of the "dark" shells ... or
is that one of those old problems o'Newton?

thus quoth:
That development of scientific calculating machines, which led into
the Twentieth-Century development of the general purpose electronic
computer, began with the development, first, of such a machine built
by Johannes Kepler, one crafted by him to assist his calculations for
astronomy. Secondly, a copy of what Kepler described as his machine,
was crafted by Blaise Pascal. Thirdly,
Pascal's work was the starting-
point of reference for the then revolutionary technological
development of the early general-purpose scientific calculator, by
Gottfried Leibniz. Fourth, the development of the design for the
mechanical forerunner of the modern digital computer, was chiefly a
reflection of the influence of Gottfried Leibniz on Babbage's
invention of the mechanical model for the modern electronic computer.
Full circle, back to Kepler's astronomy: on his own account,
Babbage's discovery was prompted by his continuing close
personal association with Britain's leading astronomer of that time,
Sir John Herschel, and
also with the followers of Kepler and Leibniz among those broader
European circles of Babbage's personal acquaintance, as typified by
the scientist Alexander von Humboldt, the latter both in Germany and
the Monge-Carnot Ecole Polytechnique program in France.
http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2006/3329_signs.html

If Newton was not a scientist, then I fully expect

thus:
"why were you a LaRouchiac?" in seven words or so. well,
I've seen mention of the RTC as sort of a model
for some or all of this, but
only larouchiax seem to know that it was used to liquidate,
not only the insolvent S&Ls -- those were primarily
for home-loans, of course -- but so were the ones that
hadn't gone out on the limb,
sold for a dime on the dollar to BoA, City etc. ad vomitorium.,
to leverage their hedgie-wedgies.
this could be turned into a positive thing, since
McCain was involved in the underlaying fiasco. now, if
he would just dump Dick Cheeny, and if
Obama would dump George Soros,
they could have a substantive race -- or,
one without the albatrosses.
I could go on, but I'm not so much of a larouchiac, these days,
nor is Lyn running, this year -- what a surprize!
now, that big insurance company should be called,
IAG; dig it, if the number of the beast begins with a 5?
the true nature was also partially revealed, when
the RTC was used to launch the Fourth investigation
into Whitewater (one L. Jean Lewis sent a note
to the Solicitor General).

thus:
Newton was not really a scientist; a biblical chronologer,
alchemist & likely freemason, yes -- if
you want to count *that* latter as a social skill....
Newton is the secular church of England,
as adumbrated through the Harry Potter PSes,
in their ongoing trashing of Leibniz....
there was a recent novelization of Newton,
as a "genius" *and* a spy, that is probably nearer
to the truth; otherwise,
it is abundantly clear in between the lines
of the "major biographers" -- or, at least,
in that recent biography....
well, again, only larouchiax seem to be aware
of this!

Newton's social skills? Are you pulling our legs?

--USA out of Darfur Cruizade!
http://larouchepub.com/other/2008/3537willl_zardari_survive.html

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[hanson]

----- ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... but Awe.. awe -----
"Edward Green" <***@netzero.com> wrote
...
"hanson" <***@quick.net> wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/4f4685f5cfaad8f5?hl=en

Post by hanson
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....
To the Einstein Dingleberries, the MMXers and
other disciples, practitioners and theoriticans of
heuristic, geriatric physics.... Aether is a Horror.
And like Horror, Aether has a face.
Aether, like Horror, is an intellectual terror that
must become your friends. For if they are not,
then they are enemies to be feared. They are
truly enemies that cause you bitter, grieveous
tears...and denial is in vain and gives you pain..
cuz ... Aether, like the dust,.. will just rise again....
So, to start with, how many concepts or versions
of Aether are there. (forget the chemical one).. ?
and you may begin with asking yourself: If matter,
energy and force-fields bend space, then what is it
that this bent or curled space is embedded in?
What is the underlying medium or matrix that gives
3D space these alleged properties?... i.e. if the
space of the universe expands, then what does it
expand into?..or if the "universe is not expanding
into anything; there is simply more space at later
times than at earlier times".. then where does this
"more space" come from?...

"Edward Green" wrote:
Of course there is an aether, Hanson. You have my
word upon it. Other than that, I've too much LASSITUDE
to answer.
hanson wrote:
well, Ed, you old mariner, your triste condition, your
LASSITUDE, a state of comatose torpor, may be the
result of you sniffing too much of the chemical Aether,
C2H5-O-C2H5. --- Get some fresh air and perhaps
the physical Aether in form of Prana or Phlogiston
will tear you out of your sorry state and you can furnish
that long awaited report about the subject at hand...
Thanks for the laughs, dude... ahahahahanson




...

[orbound]

aether in motion or not?
if stuff moves through it does it not have to move to allow room for
those things.
how can aether not be in motion?

[hanson]

Old Whorehound "orbound" <***@gmail.com>
is back & wrote...

Post by orbound
aether in motion or not?
if stuff moves through it does it not have
to move to allow room for those things.
how can aether not be in motion?

hanson wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/4f4685f5cfaad8f5?hl=en
These and such are the questions and
issues I like to inquire about.
I have no answers, only questions too...
hanson

[orbound]

Post by hanson

Post by orbound
aether in motion or not?
if stuff moves through it does it not have
to move to allow room for those things.
how can aether not be in motion?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/4f4685f5cfaad8f5?hl=en
These and such are the questions and
issues I like to inquire about.
I have no answers, only questions too...
hanson

I was gonna get me a whore but the aether slowed me down too much and
I couldn't catch her. I guess I'll just bark at the moon.

[Roman B. Binder]

Hi,
Once Maxwell theory doesn't need any aether
so it should be only related to rotation speed
with relativity theory of Einstein generally or
to quantum mechanics theory in details.
You can imagine some extreme rotation speed
in the beginning of Big Bang !
Some is till now and it affects the way of light:
some relatively straight in the center of enormous
torus and some others in enormous spirals or circles.
Once light as particle interferes with other particle
and once as electromagnetic wave interferes or covers
the law of such wave...
You know for example: for high frequency waves
the electrons like to move on the surface of conductor
and inside of some tube and conductor.
Some similar could be for quants of light:
they could limit one to another the boundary of our
world: nothing could be seen except of it is closed
with our matter. Somewhere could be some antimatter
but we can not see it! (except of some mikroexperiments)
Anyhow some CERN concern will guide us to better
unknown physics...

Regards to Anybody likes to imagine
and take into account...

Ro-Bin

[s***@gmail.com]

Post by hanson
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....
To the Einstein Dingleberries, the MMXers  and
other disciples, practitioners and theoriticans of
heuristic, geriatric physics.... Aether is a Horror.
And like Horror, Aether has a face.
Aether, like Horror, is an intellectual terror that
must become your friends.    For if they are not,
then they are enemies to be feared. They are
truly enemies that cause you bitter, grieveous
tears...and denial is in vain and gives you pain..
cuz ... Aether, like the dust,.. will just rise again....
So, to start with, how many concepts or versions
 of Aether are there. (forget the chemical one).. ?
and you may begin with asking yourself:  If matter,
energy and force-fields bend space, then what is it
that this bent or curled space is embedded  in?
What is the underlying medium or matrix that gives
3D space these alleged properties?... i.e. if the
space of the universe expands, then what does it
expand into?..or if the "universe is not expanding
into anything; there is simply more space at later
times than at earlier times".. then where does this
"more space" come from?...
TIA...ahahahaha... ahahahanson

When pushed to its extreme, the only logical conclusion is that there
is no physical universe. Descartes arrived at the same endpoint. He
can only conclude that his thought exists, and no other.

Thus, the universe is merely a mathematical construct. This concept
was plagiarized by MIT Professor Max into his so-called MUH, after
unsuccessfuly refining his Ultimate Ensemble TOE.

The physicist then asks, how does one explain physical reality? And
the answer therein is elegantly simple. The problem is that such a
'theory' can neither be proven nor disproven, all the while being
completely consistent with everything.

[Benj]

Post by s***@gmail.com
When pushed to its extreme, the only logical conclusion is that there
is no physical universe. Descartes arrived at the same endpoint. He
can only conclude that his thought exists, and no other.

So basically only thought exists. When thought stops all existence
(and the universe with everything in it) disappears. It is the fact
that I'm constantly thinking about things that holds them in
existence. If I stopped thinking then not only the universe and all of
you, but I too would disappear into nothingness. This sure sounds like
a workable theory to me. NOT!

Please explain how those things I'm not thinking about or even know
about still exist? How about the things that NOBODY knows about. Even
Oprah doesn't know about them and can't keep people thinking about
them! Me thinks Descarte is more than a little bit wrong.

Post by s***@gmail.com
Thus, the universe is merely a mathematical construct. This concept
was plagiarized by MIT Professor Max into his so-called MUH, after
unsuccessfuly refining his Ultimate Ensemble TOE.

Oh sure, "mathermatics is more real than reality"? Here we go again!

I hope you've noticed that this theory is the largest load of rubbish
I've ever "thought about"!

[s***@gmail.com]

Post by Benj

Post by s***@gmail.com
When pushed to its extreme, the only logical conclusion is that there
is no physical universe.  Descartes arrived at the same endpoint.  He
can only conclude that his thought exists, and no other.

So basically only thought exists. When thought stops all existence
(and the universe with everything in it) disappears. It is the fact
that I'm constantly thinking about things that holds them in
existence. If I stopped thinking then not only the universe and all of
you, but I too would disappear into nothingness. This sure sounds like
a workable theory to me. NOT!

Try killing yourself. If your universe still exists, let me know.

[Note: the suggestion is merely hypothetical and in no way or means is
it meant to be taken at face value. Seriously, there is no other
means to stop thought. Merely pretending to stop thinking does not
stop your thoughts. Even autistics like Dirk, or dementeds like Uncle
Al, or just plain retards like PD, still have thoughts. Note though
that their universe is convoluted and strange because their thoughts
are.]

[PD]

Post by s***@gmail.com

Post by hanson
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....
To the Einstein Dingleberries, the MMXers  and
other disciples, practitioners and theoriticans of
heuristic, geriatric physics.... Aether is a Horror.
And like Horror, Aether has a face.
Aether, like Horror, is an intellectual terror that
must become your friends.    For if they are not,
then they are enemies to be feared. They are
truly enemies that cause you bitter, grieveous
tears...and denial is in vain and gives you pain..
cuz ... Aether, like the dust,.. will just rise again....
So, to start with, how many concepts or versions
 of Aether are there. (forget the chemical one).. ?
and you may begin with asking yourself:  If matter,
energy and force-fields bend space, then what is it
that this bent or curled space is embedded  in?
What is the underlying medium or matrix that gives
3D space these alleged properties?... i.e. if the
space of the universe expands, then what does it
expand into?..or if the "universe is not expanding
into anything; there is simply more space at later
times than at earlier times".. then where does this
"more space" come from?...
TIA...ahahahaha... ahahahanson

When pushed to its extreme, the only logical conclusion is that there
is no physical universe.  Descartes arrived at the same endpoint.  He
can only conclude that his thought exists, and no other.
Thus, the universe is merely a mathematical construct.  This concept
was plagiarized by MIT Professor Max into his so-called MUH, after
unsuccessfuly refining his Ultimate Ensemble TOE.
The physicist then asks, how does one explain physical reality?  And
the answer therein is elegantly simple.  The problem is that such a
'theory' can neither be proven nor disproven, all the while being
completely consistent with everything.

Hush now. I'm busy writing a paper on this subject....

[spudnik]

I was going to quote from the link, below, but
the format has a real peculiarity (the two columns
in the PDF are contiguous across the line). in particular,
refer to the part about "the ontological model of the mass,"
as opposed to the empiricist version of "it's one
of our axioms, mass is mass!"
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles%202005/MoonModel_F04.pdf

--Wikipedia deletes notice of nullification
of "preclearance rule" of Voting Rights Act
in LaRouche v. Fowler, March 27, 2000;
is the VRAo1965 a dead letter?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act#Pre-Clearance_2

[s***@gmail.com]

Post by s***@gmail.com

Post by hanson
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....
To the Einstein Dingleberries, the MMXers  and
other disciples, practitioners and theoriticans of
heuristic, geriatric physics.... Aether is a Horror.
And like Horror, Aether has a face.
Aether, like Horror, is an intellectual terror that
must become your friends.    For if they are not,
then they are enemies to be feared. They are
truly enemies that cause you bitter, grieveous
tears...and denial is in vain and gives you pain..
cuz ... Aether, like the dust,.. will just rise again....
So, to start with, how many concepts or versions
 of Aether are there. (forget the chemical one).. ?
and you may begin with asking yourself:  If matter,
energy and force-fields bend space, then what is it
that this bent or curled space is embedded  in?
What is the underlying medium or matrix that gives
3D space these alleged properties?... i.e. if the
space of the universe expands, then what does it
expand into?..or if the "universe is not expanding
into anything; there is simply more space at later
times than at earlier times".. then where does this
"more space" come from?...
TIA...ahahahaha... ahahahanson

When pushed to its extreme, the only logical conclusion is that there
is no physical universe.  Descartes arrived at the same endpoint.  He
can only conclude that his thought exists, and no other.
Thus, the universe is merely a mathematical construct.  This concept
was plagiarized by MIT Professor Max into his so-called MUH, after
unsuccessfuly refining his Ultimate Ensemble TOE.
The physicist then asks, how does one explain physical reality?  And
the answer therein is elegantly simple.  The problem is that such a
'theory' can neither be proven nor disproven, all the while being
completely consistent with everything.

Hush now. I'm busy writing a paper on this subject....- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Go ahead. Try your luck. Make us laugh

[PD]

Post by s***@gmail.com

Post by hanson
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....
To the Einstein Dingleberries, the MMXers  and
other disciples, practitioners and theoriticans of
heuristic, geriatric physics.... Aether is a Horror.
And like Horror, Aether has a face.
Aether, like Horror, is an intellectual terror that
must become your friends.    For if they are not,
then they are enemies to be feared. They are
truly enemies that cause you bitter, grieveous
tears...and denial is in vain and gives you pain..
cuz ... Aether, like the dust,.. will just rise again....
So, to start with, how many concepts or versions
 of Aether are there. (forget the chemical one).. ?
and you may begin with asking yourself:  If matter,
energy and force-fields bend space, then what is it
that this bent or curled space is embedded  in?
What is the underlying medium or matrix that gives
3D space these alleged properties?... i.e. if the
space of the universe expands, then what does it
expand into?..or if the "universe is not expanding
into anything; there is simply more space at later
times than at earlier times".. then where does this
"more space" come from?...
TIA...ahahahaha... ahahahanson

When pushed to its extreme, the only logical conclusion is that there
is no physical universe.  Descartes arrived at the same endpoint.  He
can only conclude that his thought exists, and no other.
Thus, the universe is merely a mathematical construct.  This concept
was plagiarized by MIT Professor Max into his so-called MUH, after
unsuccessfuly refining his Ultimate Ensemble TOE.
The physicist then asks, how does one explain physical reality?  And
the answer therein is elegantly simple.  The problem is that such a
'theory' can neither be proven nor disproven, all the while being
completely consistent with everything.

Hush now. I'm busy writing a paper on this subject....- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Go ahead.  Try your luck.  Make us laugh

Oh, I am. And luck has nothing to do with it.

PD

[s***@gmail.com]

Post by PD

Post by s***@gmail.com

Post by hanson
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....
To the Einstein Dingleberries, the MMXers  and
other disciples, practitioners and theoriticans of
heuristic, geriatric physics.... Aether is a Horror.
And like Horror, Aether has a face.
Aether, like Horror, is an intellectual terror that
must become your friends.    For if they are not,
then they are enemies to be feared. They are
truly enemies that cause you bitter, grieveous
tears...and denial is in vain and gives you pain..
cuz ... Aether, like the dust,.. will just rise again....
So, to start with, how many concepts or versions
 of Aether are there. (forget the chemical one).. ?
and you may begin with asking yourself:  If matter,
energy and force-fields bend space, then what is it
that this bent or curled space is embedded  in?
What is the underlying medium or matrix that gives
3D space these alleged properties?... i.e. if the
space of the universe expands, then what does it
expand into?..or if the "universe is not expanding
into anything; there is simply more space at later
times than at earlier times".. then where does this
"more space" come from?...
TIA...ahahahaha... ahahahanson

When pushed to its extreme, the only logical conclusion is that there
is no physical universe.  Descartes arrived at the same endpoint.  He
can only conclude that his thought exists, and no other.
Thus, the universe is merely a mathematical construct.  This concept
was plagiarized by MIT Professor Max into his so-called MUH, after
unsuccessfuly refining his Ultimate Ensemble TOE.
The physicist then asks, how does one explain physical reality?  And
the answer therein is elegantly simple.  The problem is that such a
'theory' can neither be proven nor disproven, all the while being
completely consistent with everything.

Hush now. I'm busy writing a paper on this subject....- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Go ahead.  Try your luck.  Make us laugh

Oh, I am. And luck has nothing to do with it.
PD- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I know. That's why you won't make it :)

[Strich.9]

When pushed to its extreme, the only logical conclusion is that there
is no physical universe. Descartes arrived at the same endpoint. He
can only conclude that his thought exists, and no other.

Thus, the universe is merely a mathematical construct. This concept
was plagiarized by MIT Professor Max into his so-called MUH, after
unsuccessfuly refining his Ultimate Ensemble TOE.


The physicist then asks, how does one explain physical reality? And
the answer therein is elegantly simple. The problem is that such a
'theory' can neither be proven nor disproven, all the while being
completely consistent with everything.

[Uncle Al]

Post by s***@gmail.com
When pushed to its extreme, the only logical conclusion is that there
is no physical universe.

[snip crap]

Sit on a tack, sharp side up.

[hanson]

"Uncle rect-Al" <***@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:***@hate.spam.net...
"Strich.9" wrote:
When pushed to its extreme, the only logical
conclusion is that there is no physical universe.
[snip crap by uncle rect-Al]
"Uncle rect-Al" wrote:
Sit on a tack, sharp side up.
hanson wrote:
Strich, unfortunately, uncle rect-Al couldn't tell you his
entire story, because after rect-Al himself did "Sit on
a tack, sharp side up", rect-Al disappeared in his own
universe which he demonstrates here on his website:
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg
and elsewhere:
Strich.9 wrote:
Take it like a man Al... be like Socrates.
Thanks for the laughs, guy.... ahahaha... ahahanson

[spudnik]

for you, as a bastion of Solopsism --
what justification does D.Deutsch have
for being in *my* universe, or
am I a recalcitrant vegetative growth in his?

Post by s***@gmail.com
is no physical universe.

thus:
there's no where, thereat. this base-ten gematria has
been used by the fundies to attack Rabin,
with the Bible Code hoax of Drosnin et al ad vomitorium.
other than that, it is all good & very interestig,
as the little guy on the tricycle says in "Laugh-in."
I participate "in" sci.math, such as it is.
re below, there should also be a carbon tax,
not another emmissions-trading scheme
a la The Original Geroge;
it's already tens of billions per annum
in hedfy-wedgies, since the voluntary market
went online in the USA on Feb.12, 2005.

For more background see:http://www.geocities.com/dordot2001/ImperativeofMoralMathsII.html

thus:
this was covered at the time by the LaRouchiacs. as Lyn has
pointed out, almost all of the traders use Black-Scholes,
which lead to the Long Term Capital Mgmt bailout
by 'Greensperm and co....'
one thing that has long been on the table,
is a simple tax per trade.

when the government removed reporting requirements
back in 2004
that allowed widespread fraud
in bundling mortgage-backed securities
the estimators severely skewed towards a bubble

thus:
so, i ask a simple question viz-a-vu Dirac:
do you use the device of "photons,"
in referring to light?

thus:
as should perhaps be even-now understood, since
the advent of stringtheory, a "zero-dimensional particle" is
of no importance for modelling the properties of light,
except insofar as in statistical ensembles per Bose. in any case,
the mathematical formalisms of wave & particles are duals;
one can do the math with either format....
personally, I stick with Young and Schroedinger, and
prefer to work with waves (at my very elementary,
geometrical level, as the only student of posthumous Bucky .-)

Post by s***@gmail.com
Photons as particles, waves or energy packets are
intrinsically related or the flip side of charge pairs

--USA out of Darfur Cruizade!
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--ROTC, your summer vacation in the Sahara Desert ( S u d a n ) ;
presage the Draft for your middleschool class of '12 --
brought to you by Allstate (tm) and Oxford U.Press!
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http://wlym.com

--Wikipedia deletes notice of nullification
of "preclearance rule" of Voting Rights Act
in LaRouche v. Fowler, March 27, 2000;
is the VRAo1965 a dead letter?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act#Pre-Clearance_2

[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

Post by spudnik
for you, as a bastion of Solopsism --
what justification does D.Deutsch have
for being in *my* universe, or
am I a recalcitrant vegetative growth in his?

Mind trying to explain its own existence.

[spudnik]

know, I don't mind,
depending on his definition of "its."

Post by Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Mind trying to explain its own existence.

thus:
what, compared to HW, as previewed a)
in '92's publication
of http://tarpley.net/bushb.htm., or b)
just because he had a British tutor,
who knew some achaic spellings?

the veep is now the head of government de jure,
since GHWB's first months, and especially
since Gore during the impeachment;
he is running the Darfur policy,
per Hollywood cheerleading.

well, not *all* of Hollywood, and
maybe more of "Hollywood" that is in a)
Santa Monica & Playa Vista, b)
Burbank, c)
Canada, d)
in the ATM voting machines and e)
et al ad vomitorium.

Post by Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

its worse : Vice president Dan " potatoe" Quayle !

Yeah, but a waiter has more responsibilities.

[hanson]

Strich.9" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:580cfdd1-a406-4454-ad6e-***@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
When pushed to its extreme, the only logical conclusion is that there
is no physical universe. Descartes arrived at the same endpoint. He
can only conclude that his thought exists, and no other.
Thus, the universe is merely a mathematical construct. This concept
was plagiarized by MIT Professor Max into his so-called MUH, after
unsuccessfuly refining his Ultimate Ensemble TOE.
The physicist then asks, how does one explain physical reality? And
the answer therein is elegantly simple. The problem is that such a
'theory' can neither be proven nor disproven, all the while being
completely consistent with everything.
hanson wrote:
Yeah, that's one of the fundamental problems with any
modeling, in particular with the quantitative mathematical
attempts. Find a way around that issue/poblem and you
are in like Flint...
If the version you have mentioned above is proselytized
in the wrong place then some listeners do furnish proof
the other way around, ... ... like the drunk in the bar, who
after having been lectured to that the unverse is not real,
held the lecturer by his bow tie-and pouded his other fist
on the lecturer's head asking: "Feel this reality - or not"?
The drunk repeated his question only once & the lecturer
re-canted and admitted that his theories were wrong...
...ahahahaha....
It's a bit like Mao-Tsetung who said:
"Politics comes out of the muzzle of a gun"... ahahaha...
Thanks for the laughs, dude... ahaha....ahahahanson

[f***@yahoo.com]

Post by hanson
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....
To the Einstein Dingleberries, the MMXers and
other disciples, practitioners and theoriticans of
heuristic, geriatric physics.... Aether is a Horror.
And like Horror, Aether has a face.
Aether, like Horror, is an intellectual terror that
must become your friends. For if they are not,
then they are enemies to be feared. They are
truly enemies that cause you bitter, grieveous
tears...and denial is in vain and gives you pain..
cuz ... Aether, like the dust,.. will just rise again....
So, to start with, how many concepts or versions
of Aether are there. (forget the chemical one).. ?
and you may begin with asking yourself: If matter,
energy and force-fields bend space, then what is it
that this bent or curled space is embedded in?
What is the underlying medium or matrix that gives
3D space these alleged properties?... i.e. if the
space of the universe expands, then what does it
expand into?..or if the "universe is not expanding
into anything; there is simply more space at later
times than at earlier times".. then where does this
"more space" come from?...
TIA...ahahahaha... ahahahanson

The only way we are going to be able to prove an aether exists is to
determine what it is made up of and then prove that it exists. We
cannot prove that something physically exists without having some idea
of what the physical properties will be.

I have proposed that the aether is made up of a positron/electron
combination. The combination is neutrally charged, but does exhibit
dipole properties.

Now that I have given the aether a physical embodiment, it should be
possible to predict the exact properties that this aether will have
and to create experiments that can conclusively confirm or deny this
model.

For those of you out there that know how to prove this kind of stuff,
I put this to you as a challenge. Sure, it's a long shot that the
aether is a positron/electron field, but what if it's true ... If you
could prove it, you'd win the Nobel prize. You have all the
mathematical tools at your disposal since the properties of electrons
and positrons are well known. Or, if you feel it can be trivially
ruled out, show that.

This is part of my TOE
http://www.geocities.com/franklinhu/theory.html

-fhuaether

[hanson]

Post by f***@yahoo.com

Post by hanson
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....
To the Einstein Dingleberries, the MMXers and
other disciples, practitioners and theoriticans of
heuristic, geriatric physics.... Aether is a Horror.
And like Horror, Aether has a face.
Aether, like Horror, is an intellectual terror that
must become your friends. For if they are not,
then they are enemies to be feared. They are
truly enemies that cause you bitter, grieveous
tears...and denial is in vain and gives you pain..
cuz ... Aether, like the dust,.. will just rise again....
So, to start with, how many concepts or versions
of Aether are there. (forget the chemical one).. ?
and you may begin with asking yourself: If matter,
energy and force-fields bend space, then what is it
that this bent or curled space is embedded in?
What is the underlying medium or matrix that gives
3D space these alleged properties?... i.e. if the
space of the universe expands, then what does it
expand into?..or if the "universe is not expanding
into anything; there is simply more space at later
times than at earlier times".. then where does this
"more space" come from?...
TIA...ahahahaha... ahahahanson

The only way we are going to be able to prove an aether exists is to
determine what it is made up of and then prove that it exists. We
cannot prove that something physically exists without having some idea
of what the physical properties will be.
I have proposed that the aether is made up of a positron/electron
combination. The combination is neutrally charged, but does exhibit
dipole properties.

hanson wrote:
Nice attempt hu, but your too late... for at least 3 reasons:
1) That type of Aether has not been accepted by the establishment.
2) When you make "positron/electron combinations" you get
"pair-annihilation" & gamma radiation: a+/e- => 2 hf @ 0.511 MeV.
3) Dirac proposed roughly your idea in "1932. Dirac, Einstein and
others recognized that it is related to the 'metaphysical' aether:
... with the new theory of electrodynamics we are rather forced
to have an aether".
– P.A.M. Dirac, ‘Is There An Aether?,’ Nature, v.168, 1951, p.906. :::
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_sea
Sorry, that you are a bit late late. But keep on searching.
To search new ideas and new possibilities, that is the
fun and exciting part. It's like attempting to get into the pants
of the broadies... and when so done, the best you get is
an after glow... ahahaha... New pussy!. That's the name
of the game .... So, keep at it, Frank... ahahanson

Post by f***@yahoo.com
Now that I have given the aether a physical embodiment, it should be
possible to predict the exact properties that this aether will have
and to create experiments that can conclusively confirm or deny this
model.
For those of you out there that know how to prove this kind of stuff,
I put this to you as a challenge. Sure, it's a long shot that the
aether is a positron/electron field, but what if it's true ... If you
could prove it, you'd win the Nobel prize. You have all the
mathematical tools at your disposal since the properties of electrons
and positrons are well known. Or, if you feel it can be trivially
ruled out, show that.
This is part of my TOE
http://www.geocities.com/franklinhu/theory.html
-fhuaether

[spudnik]

so, what holds the electron & the positron together?...
your assertion of a dipoar moment seems to imply that
they are co-orbital; so,
what holds them apart?... nice stab at an aether!

thus:
doesn't follow "logically;"
of what necessity is a "sea of positrons," if,
by that, you are meaning what others call "the vacuum?"

however, noting that 2.8 is about the second root
of eight (or two times the second root of two), it still
might make an interesting gedanken,
to show the properties of this "sea," if
it can be constrained from combining with the electrons
in the 99.nines per cent of matter that is plasma.

I agree, that "quarks" are really an indivisible symmetry
of some fundamental quanta (which seems to agree
with the mainstream data/theory), and it is good
to try to explain gvavity beyond Kepler's orbital constraints,
unlike Newtonism.

It is the mass and magnetic-moment coupled together that makes the
Electron-Positron pair
unique to the Dirac Equation and allows for only a Positron Sea as
Space itself.
Now the above was news in the 1930s with Stern and Gerlach and others
in experiments.
But what followed in the history of physics was not to say that the
electron and positron were
fundamental particles of which the proton and neutron were built
thereof as a composite of
the electron and positron, instead, what was done was to dismiss the
Dirac Equation as
incomplete and to start the erroneous theory of quarks.

thus:
the amuzement is that the projective plane is the same
as the mobius strip, properly considered; I hint.

The common point P of the line bundle would be mapped onto a common point T(P) of
concentric circles, which does not exist in the Euclidean plane. The projective plane
in the projective plane we have the so-called isotropic points at infinity: A = (1, i, 0)
and B = (1, -i, 0) inhomogeneous coordinates. All circles pass through these two points,
and conversely, any conic section passing through the isotropic points is a circle.
Therefore any mapping of the line bundle at P onto a set of concentric circles must map P
into one of the isotropic points at infinity, say into point A. All these circles also
pass through point B. The original of B is necessarily a second common point of the
concurrent lines, different from P, which does not exist. So our last hope of such
mappings has vanished.

thus:
um, free the LaRouche Seven ?!?

So, how do we maximize the rule of truth, and minimize the rule of
arbitrary power, in professional science?

thus:
"the consortium" of newspapers reported,
a full year after the fact, that Gore would have won
*in a full recount.* what I don't recall, if any
of those three papers, bothered to note that
Gore could have *asked* for a full recount
-- it was that close --
instead of bringing the first suit for a partial birth choice....
when the desideratum is the actual "intent of the voters,"
as legislated in Texas under His Shrubness,
the condition of the chad shall be fully noted -- a-hem!

Uh, who carried Florida?

thus:
here is an etymology of THE PHOTON:
photoelectrical effect "hits" measuring device,
"ballistically" imparting its momentum
of one quantum (per Planck h-bar) at some frequency;
the bug is a feature, proven statistically by Bose
(lies, polls, statistics !-)

where did you ever refute Uncle Al's experiments?

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[Aetherist]

Post by hanson
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....
To the Einstein Dingleberries, the MMXers and
other disciples, practitioners and theoriticans of
heuristic, geriatric physics.... Aether is a Horror.
And like Horror, Aether has a face.
Aether, like Horror, is an intellectual terror that
must become your friends. For if they are not,
then they are enemies to be feared. They are
truly enemies that cause you bitter, grieveous
tears...and denial is in vain and gives you pain..
cuz ... Aether, like the dust,.. will just rise again....
So, to start with, how many concepts or versions
of Aether are there. (forget the chemical one).. ?
and you may begin with asking yourself: If matter,
energy and force-fields bend space, then what is it
that this bent or curled space is embedded in?
What is the underlying medium or matrix that gives
3D space these alleged properties?... i.e. if the
space of the universe expands, then what does it
expand into?..or if the "universe is not expanding
into anything; there is simply more space at later
times than at earlier times".. then where does this
"more space" come from?...
TIA...ahahahaha... ahahahanson

How'bout

http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0505010

[hanson]

Post by hanson
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....
To the Einstein Dingleberries, the MMXers and
other disciples, practitioners and theoriticans of
heuristic, geriatric physics.... Aether is a Horror.
And like Horror, Aether has a face.
Aether, like Horror, is an intellectual terror that
must become your friends. For if they are not,
then they are enemies to be feared. They are
truly enemies that cause you bitter, grieveous
tears...and denial is in vain and gives you pain..
cuz ... Aether, like the dust,.. will just rise again....
So, to start with, how many concepts or versions
of Aether are there. (forget the chemical one).. ?
and you may begin with asking yourself: If matter,
energy and force-fields bend space, then what is it
that this bent or curled space is embedded in?
What is the underlying medium or matrix that gives
3D space these alleged properties?... i.e. if the
space of the universe expands, then what does it
expand into?..or if the "universe is not expanding
into anything; there is simply more space at later
times than at earlier times".. then where does this
"more space" come from?...

"Aetherist" wrote:
How'bout [16 pages of]
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0505010 --- [1]
[1] wherin it says: ..."relativity and quantum mechanics can have
a common **theoretical** [ahahahaha] origin in wave mechanics.
... we **would like to explore** an alternative approach that may
provide a better explanation of the properties of matter based
on the wave-corpuscle duality. ... The role of ether in physical
theories was well summarized by Sir Edmund Whittaker in
"A History of the theories of Aether and Electricity"... we **can
assume** that the unified field is associated with the stress of a
ether-like medium in the space and different particles are just
different excitation modes of the ether.... the matter waves of all
particles, including those composing the experimental instruments
and the planet earth, are excitation waves of the ether, the
instrument should move within the ether without resistance, just
like an excitation wave moves along its medium. As a result,
***one cannot detect any movement of the ether relative to he
observation instrument. ***.
hanson wrote:
But this is all old hat. Regurgitated tripe, 16 pages long, and
ahahaha.. and ending with giving up... ahahahaha...because
the authors had NO NEW idea....
Like I said above, I have no idea whether there is an Aether or
not. I have no idea what properties it ought to have, except for
that nagging repeat that the notion of the Aether is like the dust,..
that does rise again & again... and it makes people nervous,
anxious,fearful, irate and belligerent , like dusty environments
generally do.. because it prevents you from seeing clearly...
So, what did you, Aetherist, see in that paper that I missed?..
I venture to say that YOUR OWN ideas are more interesting
then the tripe in your link. Let me hear YOUR take on the issue.
ahahahaha... ahahahanson

[m***@gmail.com]

Post by hanson
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether....

lungs evolved to exploit air, ears evolved to exploit sound, eyes to
exploit light - phenomena existed before apparatus to exploit said
phenomena - could the brain not have evolved to exploit a preexisting
phenomenon, "thought"?

thus "thought" could equal "aether", but not in the descartes way;
thought existed prior to mind.

three things -

i'm not really serious
it's very late where i am
exploit is a smashing example of a word that sounds funny when
repeated

m

[hanson]

<***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:8159cc2c-416c-45ec-b26b-***@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
"hanson" <***@quick.net> wrote:
Like air, sound & heat that you can't see neither
it's all around and it's called Aether.... [more here]
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/4f4685f5cfaad8f5?hl=en
Mitch wrote:
lungs evolved to exploit air, ears evolved to exploit
sound, eyes to exploit light - phenomena existed
before apparatus to exploit said phenomena -
could the brain not have evolved to exploit a
preexisting phenomenon, "thought"?
thus "thought" could equal "aether", but not in the
descartes way; thought existed prior to mind.
three things -
i'm not really serious
it's very late where i am exploit is a smashing
example of a word that sounds funny when repeated
hanson wrote:
.... ahahahaha.. good very late night stuff... ahahaha..
However your notion has been explained by classical
physics, of thought simply being a concatenation of
el. charge movemnts in the brain...
OTOH, if your initial thought had *evolved* into a
different direction then you are hinting at the core
of the issue, and you may ask:
---------------------------
What "Aethereal thing" is it that
has "Space" has evolved from?
What "Aethereal thing" is it that
that "Space" has exploited?
---------------------------
=1= If matter, energy and force-fields are supposed
to bend space, then what is this bent or curled space
is embedded in?
IOW what is the underlying medium or matrix that
gives that 3D space these alleged properties?...
=2= If the space of the universe expands, then what
does it expand into?... IOW,
what is this 2nd order emptiness, this void underneath?
or
=3= if the universe is expanding into a larger space
then where does this new "more space" come from?...
Whether you wanna call it Aether or something else is
immaterial... ahahahahaha... ... ahahaha... ahahanson

[spudnik]

the curvature of space was uncovered by Gauss
in the 19th cce, measuring a part of France
that was in dyspute, on the ground, and
by Kepler above it. whereas,
the unfortunate notion of "bent space" is rather
a delectation of Minkowski's dumb-ass space-time --
and he was a pretty-good math-guy,
otherwise, for most of his 31 years!

the other notions are dependent upon "the" big bang,
and upon Hubble's interpretation of the redshift,
thereby, and the Michelson-Morley alleged null,
furthered further away from null by others, but
Einstein said, Oy vey -- no way,
from my stylish office view at Caltechay! (or,
he'd have, if he spoke Yiddish and English .-)

=1=  If matter, energy and force-fields are supposed
to bend space, then what is this bent or curled space
is embedded  in?

thus:
"the consortium" of newspapers reported,
a full year after the fact, that Gore would have won
*in a full recount.* what I don't recall, if any
of those three papers, bothered to note that
Gore could have *asked* for a full recount
-- it was that close --
instead of bringing the first suit for a partial birth choice....
when the desideratum is the actual "intent of the voters,"
as legislated in Texas under His Shrubness,
the condition of the chad shall be fully noted -- a-hem!

Uh, who carried Florida?

thus:
here is an etymology of THE PHOTON:
photoelectrical effect "hits" measuring device,
"ballistically" imparting its momentum
of one quantum (per Planck h-bar) at some frequency;
the bug is a feature, proven statistically by Bose
(lies, polls, statistics !-)

where did you ever refute Uncle Al's experiments?

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[hanson]

"spudnik", the son of Mr. Potatohead <***@hotmail.com>
was plowing thru his fields of Aether, furrow after
snippable furrow, and then he stumbled onto
somethign remakalbe that he wasn't quite aware
of in "Re: the situation is worse than you thought"
wherein he wrote
"spudnik" wrote:
we may need a fractal dimension or so,
to actually generate this map.
hanson wrote:
Now that is an unusual and maybe novel idea
which slipped out of spud's mind and menation
as he kicked up the dust in disdain and made
the Aether rise again and again....
To use the non-integral portions of the fractal
properties domain dimensions is a truly
interesting notion to probe for the existence of
an Aether.
Classical and Einsteinian laws use strictly the
integer powers of 2. But if you describe nature in
terms of fractal power values then exponents
of 1.99xxx and 2.001xxx, etc. etc. will occur.
So, what is that Aetheral thing that is, ....thus far
invisible and un-researched, ... looming, hovering
and stirring in the power domains of +/- 0.1xxx or
+/- 0.999xxx next to the integer of 2 ?
Cool, Aetheric notion, spud. Thanks!
hanson
PS:
Come to think of you are not really the first one
to stir up the dust that way in vain.. and make the
Aether, like the dust, rise again & again & again:
http://tinyurl.com/5x72j4 .... or in
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sci.physics.new-theories/msg/8a9db4d7a861fc1e?hl=en
wherein the professor pontificated at length about:
"Consequences of the existence...
in a universe with less than one dimension”.

[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

Post by hanson
Now that is an unusual and maybe novel idea
which slipped out of spud's mind and menation
as he kicked up the dust in disdain and made
the Aether rise again and again....
To use the non-integral portions of the fractal
properties domain dimensions is a truly
interesting notion to probe for the existence of
an Aether.
Classical and Einsteinian laws use strictly the
integer powers of 2. But if you describe nature in
terms of fractal power values then exponents
of 1.99xxx and 2.001xxx, etc. etc. will occur.

Wusseeeee... Real Men use uncomputable numbers, or at least primes, as
the basis for their new post Einstein physics.

[hanson]

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/0e705ad8f337fa0f?hl=en

Post by Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Post by hanson
Now that is an unusual and maybe novel idea
which slipped out of spud's mind and menation
as he kicked up the dust in disdain and made
the Aether rise again and again....
To use the non-integral portions of the fractal
properties domain dimensions is a truly
interesting notion to probe for the existence of
an Aether.
Classical and Einsteinian laws use strictly the
integer powers of 2. But if you describe nature in
terms of fractal power values then exponents
of 1.99xxx and 2.001xxx, etc. etc. will occur. [1]

Wusseeeee... Real Men use uncomputable numbers,
or at least primes, as the basis for their new
post Einstein physics.

hanson wrote:
... ahahaha... clarify your 3 line-3AM-dispatch...
as it sounds sexist and misogynic... ahahaha...
Does your intended conveyance of thought
refer to your suggestions in your post in
http://tinyurl.com/3nvmac
Are you prodding me to respond to that or is
that a new item that you are pointing at?

Post by Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Post by hanson
[1] So, what is that Aetheral thing that is, ....thus far
invisible and un-researched, ... looming, hovering
and stirring in the power domains of +/- 0.1xxx or
+/- 0.999xxx next to the integer of 2 ?
Cool, Aetheric notion, spud. Thanks!
hanson
Come to think of you are not really the first one
to stir up the dust that way in vain.. and make the

http://tinyurl.com/5x72j4 wherein the professor

Post by Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Post by hanson
**** "Consequences of the existence...
**** in a universe with less than one dimension”.

[spudnik]

I forgot, where or what I wondered about fractal Ds.
anyway, I do not dyspute the need or existence
of an aether, since M&M *et al* found more
than "null = THE PHOTON is it's own wave & medium!"

Post by hanson
Come to think of you are not really the first one
to stir up the dust that way in vain.. and make the
http://tinyurl.com/5x72j4     .... or in
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sci.physics.new-theories/msg/8a9db...

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[spudnik]

that dyscussion about pi-dimensional spaces was routinely bogus,
for you. you should only say,
their have to be *at least* three spatial dimensions
for flatlanders to exist, and AbbotAbbotAbbot.

than "null = THE PHOTON is it's own wave & medium & zerodimensional moment"

Post by hanson
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