RonB sniffs skid mark Cub Scout underwear and jerks off at the same time

You really deserve covid & aids. Hope you die soon!

J***@.

2021-10-19 07:43:03 UTC

AIDS is a symptom of excess cocaine usage.

Never before has the common cold been cured,
nor will it ever be cured,
because it's a symptom of a weakened immune system.

The Covid cult is sad, barf !

chrisv

2021-10-19 12:45:14 UTC

Of course, the MSM will never admit that,

Yeah they have, although I understand that deaths are trending
*slightly* younger, on average.

RonB is a lying hypocrite, with a satanic agenda. He makes it up as
he goes along.

--
"What's kind of sick is that the press IS the enemy of the people." -
kook RonB

coffee.drinker

2021-10-23 21:15:25 UTC

Of course, the MSM will never admit that,

Yeah they have, although I understand that deaths are trending
*slightly* younger, on average.
RonB is a lying hypocrite, with a satanic agenda. He makes it up as
he goes along.

He’s just an idiot in an echo chamber. He’s too much of a pussy to admit he
fucked up. He’ll just keep looking for anything that reinforces his
retarded belief. His choice of news sites couldn’t be any worse. What a
retard.

--
Hot Cappuccino

charlie freak

2021-10-19 12:54:50 UTC

May Colin Powell rest in peace. If he hadn't lied for Bush on Iraq and its
"weapons of mass destruction" he knew weren't there, he might have been our
first black president.

The Bush administration was a corrupt as the Biden administration.
It was all about war mongering and enriching the bottom line of
companies who profit off war like Halliburton for example.

When I read that he died of Covid complications despite being "fully
vaccinated," I knew that the MSM would blame his death on cancer. Actually
they're right about that. Colin Powell's comorbidities were the main cause
of his death. But he probably would lived a while longer if Covid hadn't
come along — and Covid "came along" despite his being "fully vaccinated."
So now that the MSM has learned how to blame at least one death involving
Covid as mostly due to comorbidities, when are these hypocrites going to
admit that almost ALL "Covid deaths" involve people who have serious
comorbidities? Almost all were on their way out, Covid gave them the "push"
out the door but they were on their way to the door anyhow. (Note, I said
most.)
Of course, the MSM will never admit that, they're lying hypocrites and this
doesn't fit their satanic communist agenda. Deaths from gunshot and
motorcycle accidents are still called "Covid deaths." But their hypocrisy
doesn't make the truth any less true.

The media are already spinning this as a death where COVID
contributed.
Powell became the darling of the left stream media when he supported
Obama and later Joe Biden.
Prior to that he was attacked by the left and in particular the left
stream media.

They are all so fake and phony.

--
Charlie Freak
F**k Joe Biden

-hh

2021-10-19 13:15:36 UTC

May Colin Powell rest in peace. If he hadn't lied for Bush on Iraq and its
"weapons of mass destruction" he knew weren't there, he might have been
our first black president.

Quite possibly, although it would have been an uphill battle for him to have
been nominated by the Republican party. He certainly would have beaten
Hillary (and merit-wise, IMO should have).

When I read that he died of Covid complications despite being "fully
vaccinated," I knew that the MSM would blame his death on cancer.

His cancer (and trashed immune system from that) wasn't mentioned at all
in the initial reports, which was a major screw-up by the Media (all of them).

Actually they're right about that. Colin Powell's comorbidities were the main
cause of his death. But he probably would lived a while longer if Covid hadn't
come along — and Covid "came along" despite his being "fully vaccinated."

Same would have been true (if not even sooner) even if he hadn't been vaccinated.

So now that the MSM has learned how to blame at least one death involving
Covid as mostly due to comorbidities, when are these hypocrites going to
admit that almost ALL "Covid deaths" involve people who have serious
comorbidities? Almost all were on their way out, Covid gave them the "push"
out the door but they were on their way to the door anyhow. (Note, I said
most.)

Besides there being no proof of that "on their way out" RonB claim?

The top 3 comorbidity risks are High Blood Pressure, Diabetes and Obesity;
their respective changes to statistical life expectancy are:

Hypertension: -5 years;
Diabetes/type 2 diagnosed @ age 15: -12 years;
Diabetes/type 2 diagnosed @ age 45: -6 years;
Obesity (varies widely by severity; gender): -5 to -20 years

For the above, except for extreme obesity, all of these comorbidity
risk factors still have life expectancies of age 65+, which is roughly
the same as RonB's current age, so if he were to apply his attitude
towards others at himself, he should go dig his own grave this month,
before the ground freezes in Idaho, as he's "on his way out" too.

Of course, the MSM will never admit that, they're lying hypocrites and this
doesn't fit their satanic communist agenda. Deaths from gunshot and
motorcycle accidents are still called "Covid deaths." But their hypocrisy
doesn't make the truth any less true.

No, that claim has been proven false too: such deaths are reported in
VAERS, but as has been explained before, it is just the raw, unverified
reporting system: all reports undergo verification procedures during
post analysis, which is how the non-causal "false positives" are sorted out.

-hh

HHI

2021-10-19 13:23:46 UTC

May Colin Powell rest in peace. If he hadn't lied for Bush on Iraq and its
"weapons of mass destruction" he knew weren't there, he might have been
our first black president.

Quite possibly, although it would have been an uphill battle for him to have
been nominated by the Republican party. He certainly would have beaten
Hillary (and merit-wise, IMO should have).

When I read that he died of Covid complications despite being "fully
vaccinated," I knew that the MSM would blame his death on cancer.

His cancer (and trashed immune system from that) wasn't mentioned at all
in the initial reports, which was a major screw-up by the Media (all of them).

Same would have been true (if not even sooner) even if he hadn't been vaccinated.

Besides there being no proof of that "on their way out" RonB claim?
The top 3 comorbidity risks are High Blood Pressure, Diabetes and Obesity;
Hypertension: -5 years;
Obesity (varies widely by severity; gender): -5 to -20 years
For the above, except for extreme obesity, all of these comorbidity
risk factors still have life expectancies of age 65+, which is roughly
the same as RonB's current age, so if he were to apply his attitude
towards others at himself, he should go dig his own grave this month,
before the ground freezes in Idaho, as he's "on his way out" too.

Just idiotic trolling. And I am rewarding that trolling. THAT is what the
"Rbowman circus" is. Snit must have read Rbowman pages and became acutely
butt hurt. I suspect this is not our first manifestation of the improved
Snit.

That is the problem today and uneducated teachers don't care at all, people
from smarter generations *should* know better than to fall for the indoctrination
BS.
http://web.archive.org/web/20210414021502if_/https://ibb.co/vQ4M1sX

Usenet is an uncontrollable concordat based on virtue.

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Dustin Cook the functionally illiterate fraud

chrisv

2021-10-19 21:57:55 UTC

When I read that he died of Covid complications despite being "fully
vaccinated," I knew that the MSM would blame his death on cancer.

As usual, what kook idiot RonB "knew" was wrong. They did no such
thing. The headline was "COVID-19 complications".

Post by -hh
His cancer (and trashed immune system from that) wasn't mentioned at all
in the initial reports, which was a major screw-up by the Media (all of them).

It's in the forth paragraph in, here:

https://apnews.com/article/colin-powell-dead-covid-9c918dc1c137ebf368f2cbb461e4fad4

Actually they're right about that. Colin Powell's comorbidities were the main
cause of his death. But he probably would lived a while longer if Covid hadn't
come along and Covid "came along" despite his being "fully vaccinated."

Listen up, dipshit. The "sell" for the vaccines, of late, is not that
they prevent Covid. It's that they greatly reduce the chances of
severe illness of death. I've made many posts about this in here,
with cites. Not everyone is as ignorant as you.

Here's yet another one:

"The available data show that such deaths are exceptionally rare. More
than 187 million people in the U.S. had been fully vaccinated as of
Oct. 12. Of those, 7,178, or 0.004%, had died of a breakthrough
infection, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention. Of that group, 85% were over the age of 65."

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/colin-powells-death-from-breakthrough-covid-is-rare-event-data-show/

Post by -hh
Same would have been true (if not even sooner) even if he hadn't been vaccinated.

RonB needs people to be stupid enough to be fooled by his propaganda.

Fscking lying POS.

--
"Out of one side of their lying mouths they tell you the current mRNA
injection does nothing against the new variants" - RonB, lying
shamelessly

charlie freak

2021-10-19 22:31:44 UTC

When I read that he died of Covid complications despite being "fully
vaccinated," I knew that the MSM would blame his death on cancer.

As usual, what kook idiot RonB "knew" was wrong. They did no such
thing. The headline was "COVID-19 complications".

Post by -hh
His cancer (and trashed immune system from that) wasn't mentioned at all
in the initial reports, which was a major screw-up by the Media (all of them).

https://apnews.com/article/colin-powell-dead-covid-9c918dc1c137ebf368f2cbb461e4fad4

Listen up, dipshit. The "sell" for the vaccines, of late, is not that
they prevent Covid. It's that they greatly reduce the chances of
severe illness of death. I've made many posts about this in here,
with cites. Not everyone is as ignorant as you.
"The available data show that such deaths are exceptionally rare. More
than 187 million people in the U.S. had been fully vaccinated as of
Oct. 12. Of those, 7,178, or 0.004%, had died of a breakthrough
infection, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention. Of that group, 85% were over the age of 65."
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/colin-powells-death-from-breakthrough-covid-is-rare-event-data-show/

Post by -hh
Same would have been true (if not even sooner) even if he hadn't been vaccinated.

RonB needs people to be stupid enough to be fooled by his propaganda.
Fscking lying POS.

Colin had some serious illnesses that is true.
The vaccine is not 100 percent, nothing is, but it has been proven to
diminish the number of cases and for those who do end up with COVID
even after being double poked the survival rate is far better than
someone who gets COVID and has not been poked.

I am certainly pro vaccine, but I do have exceptions.
People who have had documented COVID infections and survive are top
of the list as they are probably in better shape, immunity wise, than
vaxxers.
However, most will, unfortunately suffer long term effects and this
may take years, if not decades to flesh out and understand.
Very young kids are another questionable entity.

It comes down to risk vs reward and sadly the outliers, ie:people who
die from the vaccine, are focused on and I get it, even one life lost
is one too many.

My personal belief is this is a genetically engineered germ and for
those whose DNA comes up in the slot machine, they are doomed with
little if anything that can be done.
To me, this explains why some healthy, really healthy, athlete type
people are dying.
It's the only thing that makes sense to me.

All speculation.

My big problem is how the virus was treated and reported on under
Trump vs Biden.
CNN, MSNBC and other stations had huge, screen wise, "death clocks"
ticking while Trump was President, literally logging every case and
they went on non stop about the pandemic.
Literally, to the day, Biden was elected, they moved to mini-clocks
and began to take the focus off the pandemic.
It was and is so obvious.

This is NOT a political issue.
It's a matter of life and death.
Party affiliation does not and should not matter.
The virus doesn't care, why should anyone else?

I think it's shameful that both parties are using this as a
bargaining pawn.
It's uncalled for.

I'm a card carrying conservative Republican but I am increasingly
becoming disenchanted with the Republican party.
I feel they are inept, disorganized and intimidated by Trump.
And as a country I think we have become caught up in idiotic liberal
policies like defunding the police, 14 different genders and so forth.

This is crazy stuff.

It's like the witch hunts of the 1600's in the US.

We are going to destroy our nation unless we mend our ways and return
to normalcy.
There are bad eggs in law enforcement for sure, but statistics, which
liberals love to ignore, show black on black violent crime is huge,
yet they focus on some black felon, career criminal who some crazy
cop, killed, and wrongfully for sure. Lock him up and toss the key
away. But, that is NOT where the real problem is.

Start with the democrat run Chicago and move to Portland, NYC, etc
and toss the miscreants in jail and toss the key.

FWIW, I don't like RINOs or most Repubs but these problems seem to
exist in Democrat run places at least the worst examples of them.

This debate will never end.

--
Charlie Freak
F**k Joe Biden

RonB

2021-10-19 23:08:28 UTC

When I read that he died of Covid complications despite being "fully
vaccinated," I knew that the MSM would blame his death on cancer.

As usual, what kook idiot RonB "knew" was wrong. They did no such
thing. The headline was "COVID-19 complications".

Post by -hh
His cancer (and trashed immune system from that) wasn't mentioned at all
in the initial reports, which was a major screw-up by the Media (all of them).

https://apnews.com/article/colin-powell-dead-covid-9c918dc1c137ebf368f2cbb461e4fad4

"As of late." In other words the Covid, mRNA injection is useless against
the Covid variants so the goal post has been moved... again. A typical lying
tactic by typical liars.

Post by chrisv
"The available data show that such deaths are exceptionally rare. More
than 187 million people in the U.S. had been fully vaccinated as of
Oct. 12. Of those, 7,178, or 0.004%, had died of a breakthrough
infection, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention. Of that group, 85% were over the age of 65."
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/colin-powells-death-from-breakthrough-covid-is-rare-event-data-show/

Liars lie. Especially when they're paid by Big Pharma to do so. Studies in
Israel (where forced "vaccine" rates are very high) show the opposite. So
just more of your bullshit. I'm not gullible enough to buy into it. Try it
on someone as stupid as you are.

Post by -hh
Same would have been true (if not even sooner) even if he hadn't been vaccinated.

RonB needs people to be stupid enough to be fooled by his propaganda.
Fscking lying POS.

The "vaccine" so-called is nowhere near 100%. Now they're only advertising
that it will lessen your symptoms instead of "you won't get the virus, and
you won't spread it." I've got news for these liars... most healthy people
who got Covid BEFORE the mRNA injections were available didn't even know
that they had it (they had to have bogus tests to know they were "sick"). It
was that mild. So the lie that the mRNA injections will lessen the symptoms
is just that — another lie in a long line of goalpost moving lies by these
liars.

The mRNA injection is neither safe, nor effective — as thousands upon
thousands of adverse reactions to it prove. It's a boondoggle (and a very
profitable one for Bill Gates and Big Pharma).

Post by charlie freak
I am certainly pro vaccine, but I do have exceptions.
People who have had documented COVID infections and survive are top
of the list as they are probably in better shape, immunity wise, than
vaxxers.

And yet they're ignored by that smarmy, little, lying bastard Fauci.

Post by charlie freak
However, most will, unfortunately suffer long term effects and this
may take years, if not decades to flesh out and understand.
Very young kids are another questionable entity.

Are you talking the long term adverse effects for those who had Covid or for
those who were gullible enough to allow themselves to be injected with the
mRNA poison?

Post by charlie freak
It comes down to risk vs reward and sadly the outliers, ie:people who
die from the vaccine, are focused on and I get it, even one life lost
is one too many.

The risk of dying from Covid is very, very low for those who are relatively
healthy. For those with serious comorbidities (like Colin Powell) — he was
already dying, with or without the mRNA poison — the adverse reactions
(complications) to the mRNA poison probably shortened the time he had left.

Post by charlie freak
My personal belief is this is a genetically engineered germ and for
those whose DNA comes up in the slot machine, they are doomed with
little if anything that can be done.
To me, this explains why some healthy, really healthy, athlete type
people are dying.
It's the only thing that makes sense to me.
All speculation.
My big problem is how the virus was treated and reported on under
Trump vs Biden.
CNN, MSNBC and other stations had huge, screen wise, "death clocks"
ticking while Trump was President, literally logging every case and
they went on non stop about the pandemic.
Literally, to the day, Biden was elected, they moved to mini-clocks
and began to take the focus off the pandemic.
It was and is so obvious.

It's all political. Panic porn to push the "great reset," i.e., the satanic
communist revolution. Unfortunately too many American have been brainwashed
in our public schools into reacting emotionally instead of logically — so
they fall for this panic porn bullshit, hook, line and sinker.

Post by charlie freak
This is NOT a political issue.
It's a matter of life and death.
Party affiliation does not and should not matter.
The virus doesn't care, why should anyone else?

Agreed. The mRNA poison injection IS a matter of life and death. And the
people's right to not to allow its injection into their veins should not be
thwarted. What happened to "my body, my choice?"

Think about this. Supposedly the the mRNA injection is supposed to protect
you from serious effects of Covid-19 (which is lying bullshit, but for the
sake of argument let's pretend this is true). So what difference does it
make to the gullible whether I take the vaccine or not? You're supposedly
protected, right? Why does my "taking a risk" affect you? The "vaccine"
makes you safe, right? (Or doesn't it?)

Post by charlie freak
I think it's shameful that both parties are using this as a
bargaining pawn.
It's uncalled for.

What's uncalled for is trying to coerce people to inject poison into their
veins.

Post by charlie freak
I'm a card carrying conservative Republican but I am increasingly
becoming disenchanted with the Republican party.
I feel they are inept, disorganized and intimidated by Trump.
And as a country I think we have become caught up in idiotic liberal
policies like defunding the police, 14 different genders and so forth.

Both parties are worthless. Our real worry is this attempt to reset our
world into a massive satanic communist gulag (and that's the real purpose of
all the Covid panic porn).

Post by charlie freak
This is crazy stuff.
It's like the witch hunts of the 1600's in the US.
We are going to destroy our nation unless we mend our ways and return
to normalcy.
There are bad eggs in law enforcement for sure, but statistics, which
liberals love to ignore, show black on black violent crime is huge,
yet they focus on some black felon, career criminal who some crazy
cop, killed, and wrongfully for sure. Lock him up and toss the key
away. But, that is NOT where the real problem is.
Start with the democrat run Chicago and move to Portland, NYC, etc
and toss the miscreants in jail and toss the key.
FWIW, I don't like RINOs or most Repubs but these problems seem to
exist in Democrat run places at least the worst examples of them.

Yep, where the satanic agenda is more advanced.

Post by charlie freak
This debate will never end.

But our freedom will come to a screeching halt if we don't stop this
bullshit in its tracks.

--
"Name a product that blames its failure on those who don't use it."

"Women are women and men are men, if you neuter a rooster he's a
capon not a hen."

Joel

2021-10-19 23:18:40 UTC

Post by chrisv
Listen up, dipshit. The "sell" for the vaccines, of late, is not that
they prevent Covid. It's that they greatly reduce the chances of
severe illness of death. I've made many posts about this in here,
with cites. Not everyone is as ignorant as you.

"As of late." In other words the Covid, mRNA injection is useless against
the Covid variants so the goal post has been moved... again. A typical lying
tactic by typical liars.

And there we have it. RonB is a pathetic old fart, blowing away in
the wind of change. His moronic words speak for themselves.

--
Joel Crump

chrisv

2021-10-19 23:48:44 UTC

"As of late." In other words the Covid, mRNA injection is useless against
the Covid variants

Jeezez! He just *lies* in reponse!

Post by RonB
so the goal post has been moved... again.

You fscking piece of shit.

We have *learned* that they don't perfectly prevent Covid, but that
they are still quite useful!

Post by RonB
A typical lying tactic by typical liars.

You must mean typical lying right-wing propagandists, like you. But I
don't know who you could hope to fool, with your *ridiculous* lies.

Post by Joel
And there we have it. RonB is a pathetic old fart, blowing away in
the wind of change. His moronic words speak for themselves.

It's absolutely un-fscking-believable! He thinks that he "wins" with
such garbage?!?

Joel

2021-10-19 23:57:42 UTC

"As of late." In other words the Covid, mRNA injection is useless against
the Covid variants

Jeezez! He just *lies* in reponse!

I think he actually believes it, too, which is funny.

Post by RonB
so the goal post has been moved... again.

You fscking piece of shit.
We have *learned* that they don't perfectly prevent Covid, but that
they are still quite useful!

My understanding is that the effect of the mRNA vaccines is what was
expected by their designers.

Post by RonB
A typical lying tactic by typical liars.

You must mean typical lying right-wing propagandists, like you. But I
don't know who you could hope to fool, with your *ridiculous* lies.

Post by Joel
And there we have it. RonB is a pathetic old fart, blowing away in
the wind of change. His moronic words speak for themselves.

It's absolutely un-fscking-believable! He thinks that he "wins" with
such garbage?!?

He only cares about patting himself on the back. Some would call it
intellectual masturbation, and they might be exactly right.

--
Joel Crump

Steve Carroll

2021-10-19 23:58:18 UTC

"As of late." In other words the Covid, mRNA injection is useless against
the Covid variants

Jeezez! He just *lies* in reponse!

I think he actually believes it, too, which is funny.

Post by RonB
so the goal post has been moved... again.

You fscking piece of shit.
We have *learned* that they don't perfectly prevent Covid, but that
they are still quite useful!

My understanding is that the effect of the mRNA vaccines is what was
expected by their designers.

Post by RonB
A typical lying tactic by typical liars.

You must mean typical lying right-wing propagandists, like you. But I
don't know who you could hope to fool, with your *ridiculous* lies.

And there we have it. RonB is a pathetic old fart, blowing away in
the wind of change. His moronic words speak for themselves.

It's absolutely un-fscking-believable! He thinks that he "wins" with
such garbage?!?

He only cares about patting himself on the back. Some would call it
intellectual masturbation, and they might be exactly right.
--
Joel Crump

The one thing Flooder Steve Carroll learned sufficiently is to try to
humiliate Snit into submission and if that doesn't work, shout him down
or dishonesty change the argument. ClamXav was initially made and back
linked using a pirated copy of visual studio, in Visual Basic 6.

You do, of course realize that the massive floods ending up in multiple
groups started out in COLA, right?

Steve Carroll is a Narcissistic Bigot.

I suspect Flooder Steve Carroll does not even know what is wrong with
Breitbart.

--
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chrisv

2021-10-19 23:56:37 UTC

(snipped, unread)

I'm only reading what Joel quoted. I can't take too much of this
lying piece of shit's insanity.

At least "Slimer" likes him.

charlie freak

2021-10-20 00:19:05 UTC

When I read that he died of Covid complications despite being "fully
vaccinated," I knew that the MSM would blame his death on cancer.

As usual, what kook idiot RonB "knew" was wrong. They did no such
thing. The headline was "COVID-19 complications".

Post by -hh
His cancer (and trashed immune system from that) wasn't mentioned at all
in the initial reports, which was a major screw-up by the Media (all of them).

https://apnews.com/article/colin-powell-dead-covid-9c918dc1c137ebf368f2cbb461e4fad4

"As of late." In other words the Covid, mRNA injection is useless against
the Covid variants so the goal post has been moved... again. A typical lying
tactic by typical liars.

Post by -hh
Same would have been true (if not even sooner) even if he hadn't been vaccinated.

RonB needs people to be stupid enough to be fooled by his propaganda.
Fscking lying POS.

I don't think they really know for sure.
Data can be found to back up any point.
So who is right?

And what is the motive, for the scientists and researchers, not a
glory seeker like Fauci?

Post by RonB
The mRNA injection is neither safe, nor effective — as thousands upon
thousands of adverse reactions to it prove. It's a boondoggle (and a very
profitable one for Bill Gates and Big Pharma).

Big pharma is definitely profiting, but they always do.
For example I take Eliquis which cost me a fortune because as of
today there is no generic version to compete.
It is, potentially saving me from a stroke.
What is that worth?

Gates I know nothing of other than I met him a PCEXPO in Las Vegas
back in the mid 1980's and he smelled really bad and looked like he
needed a bath.

And yet they're ignored by that smarmy, little, lying bastard Fauci.

Fauci is a fraud.
He changes his mind literally daily.
I ignore what he says.
I suggest others do the same.

Are you talking the long term adverse effects for those who had Covid or for
those who were gullible enough to allow themselves to be injected with the
mRNA poison?

The virus. We do see lingering effects here.
At this point we have no idea what the vaccine longterm effects are.
Unfortunately.

Post by charlie freak
It comes down to risk vs reward and sadly the outliers, ie:people who
die from the vaccine, are focused on and I get it, even one life lost
is one too many.

The problem is determining the comorbid effect.
Overweight for example.
WHAT constitutes overweight?

I have a cousin who is an ICU nurse and she tells me literally
99.999999 percent of the serious infections and deaths of COVID
patients are not vaxxed...
This is a major NYC hospital and not some 3rd rate hospital in bug
fuck MS.

Minus the Satan part, I will say that the progressives are most
definitely are pushing a government control all platform.
It is a fact.
The frightening part of this is it's human nature to want "free
stuff". the problem is there is always a price to be paid.
For example in socialist countries medical care is rationed. Sure
It's free, but why do people come to USA and PAY for the care they
don't get in their own country?

Think about that.

Post by charlie freak
This is NOT a political issue.
It's a matter of life and death.
Party affiliation does not and should not matter.
The virus doesn't care, why should anyone else?

Agreed. The mRNA poison injection IS a matter of life and death. And the
people's right to not to allow its injection into their veins should not be
thwarted. What happened to "my body, my choice?"

That is a valid point and I do not NOT support mandated vaccines.
FWIW I support the unborn as well.

Post by RonB
Think about this. Supposedly the the mRNA injection is supposed to protect
you from serious effects of Covid-19 (which is lying bullshit, but for the
sake of argument let's pretend this is true). So what difference does it
make to the gullible whether I take the vaccine or not? You're supposedly
protected, right? Why does my "taking a risk" affect you? The "vaccine"
makes you safe, right? (Or doesn't it?)

Every Vaxx has risks... You just don't hear about the others who got
Autism, Menaires etc.. From other vaxxes.

Post by charlie freak
I think it's shameful that both parties are using this as a
bargaining pawn.
It's uncalled for.

What's uncalled for is trying to coerce people to inject poison into their
veins.

Should be freedom of choice.
I agree.

Both parties are worthless. Our real worry is this attempt to reset our
world into a massive satanic communist gulag (and that's the real purpose of
all the Covid panic porn).

I suspect, don't know, but this is a Marxist attempt at instituting
social government in USA.
From what I see and read this is what I believe.

Yep, where the satanic agenda is more advanced.

I've been reading my Bible lately, ESV Study Bible FWIW, and having
been brought up in the Lutheran church, I am starting to wonder if
Satan has not been let loose from the pit. It certainly fits.

Post by charlie freak
This debate will never end.

But our freedom will come to a screeching halt if we don't stop this
bullshit in its tracks.

The revolt is happening.
It's spreading to professional athletes which is good.

--
Charlie Freak
F**k Joe Biden

RabidHussar

2021-10-20 02:05:22 UTC

Big pharma is definitely profiting, but they always do.
For example I take Eliquis which cost me a fortune because as of
today there is no generic version to compete.
It is, potentially saving me from a stroke.
What is that worth?
Gates I know nothing of other than I met him a PCEXPO in Las Vegas
back in the mid 1980's and he smelled really bad and looked like he
needed a bath.

That seems to be a common theme with the people who seek to enslave all
of humanity, funny enough. They're always reported as smelling terrible.
Apparently, Hillary and Obama stink like death too.

< snip >

Are you talking the long term adverse effects for those who had Covid or for
those who were gullible enough to allow themselves to be injected with the
mRNA poison?

The virus. We do see lingering effects here.
At this point we have no idea what the vaccine longterm effects are.
Unfortunately.

Fertility seems to be an issue, but the biggest one so far is the
obliteration of the vaccine recipient's immune system. The moment they
take the vaccine, their immunity against everything else seems to break
with time to a point that a booster would be _necessary_ for them to
have the same kind of protection as they once naturally had. It's
basically a subscription to yearly or bi-yearly vaccines just to protect
yourself from the damned cold.

Post by charlie freak
It comes down to risk vs reward and sadly the outliers, ie:people who
die from the vaccine, are focused on and I get it, even one life lost
is one too many.

The problem is determining the comorbid effect.
Overweight for example.
WHAT constitutes overweight?
I have a cousin who is an ICU nurse and she tells me literally
99.999999 percent of the serious infections and deaths of COVID
patients are not vaxxed...
This is a major NYC hospital and not some 3rd rate hospital in bug
fuck MS.

Yet so many nurses are refusing to get vaccinated in that same area of
the world. If they had seen that not being vaccinated was responsible
for people's death as your cousin suggests, none of them would be
reluctant to take the vaccine. Meanwhile, a huge proportion of them
would rather lose their jobs than take the jab. I wonder why that is.
It's almost as though what they experience every day is the opposite of
what the narrative claims.

< snip >

Yep, where the satanic agenda is more advanced.

I've been reading my Bible lately, ESV Study Bible FWIW, and having
been brought up in the Lutheran church, I am starting to wonder if
Satan has not been let loose from the pit. It certainly fits.

Even South Park believes that what's happening to the world right now is
straight out of Satan's playbook. I just watched an episode where Satan
fights ManBearPig because the kids convinced them that he should give
back to the world since humanity is doing his bidding.

Post by charlie freak
This debate will never end.

But our freedom will come to a screeching halt if we don't stop this
bullshit in its tracks.

The revolt is happening.
It's spreading to professional athletes which is good.

Let's see how long that lasts though. The athletes are doing the right
thing in saying no but the leagues might cut their access to the big
contracts too. I don't think the lot of them are willing to sacrifice
both fame and fortune. Only true Christians will be willing to say no to
The Mark.

--
@RabidHussar
Happy to shove that vaccine of yours up your ass

-hh

2021-10-20 15:05:53 UTC

Post by charlie freak
At this point we have no idea what the vaccine longterm effects are.
Unfortunately.

Fertility seems to be an issue, but the biggest one so far is the
obliteration of the vaccine recipient's immune system.

Scientific substantiation of these claims...is where?

FYI, the pregnancy one is a spin-off attempt which comes from a
standard operating procedure of human research trials: pregnant
woman are excluded in safety trials as a matter of course, since
they would be consenting for more than just themselves. The
reason why this exclusion isn't a violation of the "Justice" ethical
principle is because pregnancy is a temporary condition: they're
free to volunteer next year. Given the rapid initial rollout last year,
the exclusion was continued at that time, as they hadn't yet tested
for it. Because there's been "natural" experiments which have
since generated data, so the exclusion has since been dropped.

For the "obliterate immune system" claim, where's any evidence of it?
Its only shown up in propaganda claims.

Post by RabidHussar
The moment they take the vaccine, their immunity against
everything else seems to break with time to a point that a
booster would be _necessary_ for them to have the same
kind of protection as they once naturally had.

Oh, as is being evidenced by 4 million Americans who are now dying
from colds & the flu every month since vaccines started? /s

Post by RabidHussar
It's basically a subscription to yearly or bi-yearly vaccines just to protect
yourself from the damned cold.

Even if true, you're postulating that its not worth paying $30/yr for insurance:
meantime, how much are you currently paying for car & home insurance?

Post by charlie freak
I have a cousin who is an ICU nurse and she tells me literally
99.999999 percent of the serious infections and deaths of COVID
patients are not vaxxed...
This is a major NYC hospital and not some 3rd rate hospital in bug
fuck MS.

Or that your narrative is strained (at best), since 88% of nurses said
back in a July survey that they were already vaccinated or intended to be.

That's before mandates were even started...plus the survey also found
that most (~59%) also said that they support vaccine mandates put in
place by employers. Here's the cite:

<https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/nursing/most-nurses-vaccinated-support-mandates-8-ana-survey-findings.html>

TL;DR: when Slimer said "many", it is actually a clear minority of that population.

-hh

chrisv

2021-10-20 15:30:25 UTC

Post by charlie freak
At this point we have no idea what the vaccine longterm effects are.
Unfortunately.

Fertility seems to be an issue, but the biggest one so far is the
obliteration of the vaccine recipient's immune system.

Pfft. Sure. We believe you, Slime. Not.

Post by -hh
Scientific substantiation of these claims...is where?

It's just another of a long string of filthy lies, from the right-wing
propagandist. They just make shit up!

Post by RabidHussar
Yet so many nurses are refusing to get vaccinated in that same area of
the world. If they had seen that not being vaccinated was responsible
for people's death as your cousin suggests, none of them would be
reluctant to take the vaccine.

Liar. Being a nurse doesn't get you some "inside knowledge" on the
vaccines. The information is public.

Nurses are just like everyone else, in that some of them don't want to
get vaccinated.

It takes a real dipshit, a real loser, to suggest that some nurses not
wanting to get vaccinated means "vaccines bad".

Post by RabidHussar
Meanwhile, a huge proportion of them
would rather lose their jobs than take the jab. I wonder why that is.

See above.

Post by RabidHussar
It's almost as though what they experience every day is the opposite of
what the narrative claims.

Just another snittish, made-up "seems like" lie from the propagandist.

Stefen Petruzzellis - frelwizer

2021-10-20 19:56:11 UTC

Post by charlie freak
At this point we have no idea what the vaccine longterm effects are.
Unfortunately.

Fertility seems to be an issue, but the biggest one so far is the
obliteration of the vaccine recipient's immune system.

Pfft. Sure. We believe you, Slime. Not.

Post by -hh
Scientific substantiation of these claims...is where?

It's just another of a long string of filthy lies, from the right-wing
propagandist. They just make shit up!

Liar. Being a nurse doesn't get you some "inside knowledge" on the
vaccines. The information is public.
Nurses are just like everyone else, in that some of them don't want to
get vaccinated.
It takes a real dipshit, a real loser, to suggest that some nurses not
wanting to get vaccinated means "vaccines bad".

Post by RabidHussar
Meanwhile, a huge proportion of them
would rather lose their jobs than take the jab. I wonder why that is.

See above.

Post by RabidHussar
It's almost as though what they experience every day is the opposite of
what the narrative claims.

Just another snittish, made-up "seems like" lie from the propagandist.

Snit's computer has more memory than BoaterDave's. Snit wins. BoaterDave
loses. Any questions? Fool! Your system will crawl while finding a way
to stop BoaterDave.

Despite BoaterDave's claim that he has "no experience in making trouble"
(a lie as confirmed by the fact that he destroyed CSMA with his crap) he
was seen asking others how they would install a virus remotely.

You're like the amateur macOS icon on a professionally designed desktop.
We all see you hiding there and thinking you are being clever. And you're
so ignorant you keep rejecting it.

--
This Trick Gets Women Hot For You
https://www.bing.com/search?q=steve%20carroll%20narcissistic%20bigot
Steve Carroll the Narcissistic Bigot

RonB

2021-10-20 02:15:18 UTC

When I read that he died of Covid complications despite being "fully
vaccinated," I knew that the MSM would blame his death on cancer.

As usual, what kook idiot RonB "knew" was wrong. They did no such
thing. The headline was "COVID-19 complications".

Post by -hh
His cancer (and trashed immune system from that) wasn't mentioned at all
in the initial reports, which was a major screw-up by the Media (all of them).

https://apnews.com/article/colin-powell-dead-covid-9c918dc1c137ebf368f2cbb461e4fad4

"As of late." In other words the Covid, mRNA injection is useless against
the Covid variants so the goal post has been moved... again. A typical lying
tactic by typical liars.

Post by -hh
Same would have been true (if not even sooner) even if he hadn't been vaccinated.

RonB needs people to be stupid enough to be fooled by his propaganda.
Fscking lying POS.

I don't think they really know for sure.
Data can be found to back up any point.
So who is right?
And what is the motive, for the scientists and researchers, not a
glory seeker like Fauci?

Control. Obviously something in that mRNA poison that they desperately want
in your body. But even if there isn't, just forcing you to take this shit
against your will (or you don't get to work or eat) is a control-freak's wet
dream. They want compliance to their bureaucratic dictates (small minded men
always want to be in control). Here's the situation... "Fully vaccinated"
people get Covid and die from it. A recent Israeli study showed that
somewhere around 80% of those who were seriously ill in hospitals from the
Delta variant of Covid had been "full vaccinated." That's why Israel has
removed their "green pass" from those who are "fully vaccinated" but don't
have the booster injection — the poison isn't working. So why are they so
desperate to get a "vaccine" (so-called) into your veins that they admit
does not protect you from the virus? It's insane. And it has nothing to do
with protecting people. If these liars really wanted to protect people, they
would be pushing ivermectin, which actually works.

Why is this better than Warfarin — which costs me $8 for a three months
supply? And why should a drug corporation be allowed to ream you just
because they have a monopoly? This is not allowed in many countries, but Big
Pharma has bought and paid for our Congress.

When reading about the side effects of Eliquis I see the following:

Remember that your doctor has prescribed this medication because he or she
has judged that the benefit to you is greater than the risk of side
effects. Many people using this medication do not have serious side
effects.

Wow "many" people don't have serious side effects. So how much of a kickback
did you doctor get for proscribing this to you? And why not a generic blood
thinner instead?

Post by charlie freak
Gates I know nothing of other than I met him a PCEXPO in Las Vegas
back in the mid 1980's and he smelled really bad and looked like he
needed a bath.

He needs to be in prison for all the damage he's caused to people all the
over the world with his sterilizing and dangerous vaccines. It's thanks to
his efforts (and his strain of polio in his unneeded vaccine) that polio has
become a thing again.

And yet they're ignored by that smarmy, little, lying bastard Fauci.

Fauci is a fraud.
He changes his mind literally daily.
I ignore what he says.
I suggest others do the same.

He has to keep moving the goal post. The whole thing is a made up to push
the great reset. Control and installing a satanic communist regime
(worldwide) is the goal.

Are you talking the long term adverse effects for those who had Covid or for
those who were gullible enough to allow themselves to be injected with the
mRNA poison?

The virus. We do see lingering effects here.
At this point we have no idea what the vaccine longterm effects are.
Unfortunately.

Those who get myocarditis (mostly young men) from the mRNA injection will
definitely have long-term effects. If the case was strong enough, they'll be
dead within five years. So maybe not that long as they won't be around long
enough. Myocarditis is caused by a virus, probably triggered by the spike
proteins in the mRNA injection. "You had a healthy, young son, now he's dead
or seriously impaired by this lethal injection. Gee, so sorry... next."

Post by charlie freak
It comes down to risk vs reward and sadly the outliers, .i.e, :people who
die from the vaccine, are focused on and I get it, even one life lost
is one too many.

The problem is determining the comorbid effect.
Overweight for example.
WHAT constitutes overweight?

It's not that hard to determine. If have you have trouble climbing a flight
of stairs or taking a short walk (and are otherwise healthy), you're too
fat. Lose weight. (This coming from someone who knows he's too fat and
doesn't have to get all "philosophical" about it.)

I don't believe it. And it doesn't jive with studies from Israel and other
countries. You do realize that the Covid tests for those who have not been
injected with the mRNA poison have a much lower threshold than for those
who have been "fully vaccinated." That smarmy, lying, bastard "gain of
function" Fauci changed the testing for the "vaccinated" in May because too
many of them were entering hospitals and testing positive for Covid. So, if
a "vaccinated" patient goes into a hospital with Covid-like symptoms, the
test is purposely skewed to NOT show Covid. In other words, figures don't
lie but liars figure. And Fauci can't move his lips without lying.

For a normal person who either can't afford health insurance or can't afford
the huge deductibles, health care has (for all intents and purposes) been
rationed for decades.

Post by charlie freak
This is NOT a political issue.
It's a matter of life and death.
Party affiliation does not and should not matter.
The virus doesn't care, why should anyone else?

Agreed. The mRNA poison injection IS a matter of life and death. And the
people's right to not to allow its injection into their veins should not be
thwarted. What happened to "my body, my choice?"

That is a valid point and I do not NOT support mandated vaccines.
FWIW I support the unborn as well.

I'm glad to hear that.

Every Vaxx has risks... You just don't hear about the others who got
Autism, Menaires etc.. From other vaxxes.

I know. My kids weren't vaccinated. I was never vaccinated for anything.
I'll let my immune system do the work. At some point it'll fail, that's
called being human. Meanwhile I wouldn't have played Russian Roulette with
my life by taking vaccines that can have serious side-effects. The supposed
"cure" is often more dangerous than the disease — especially when you're
talking about childhood diseases like mumps, measles, chickenpox, etc.

Post by charlie freak
I think it's shameful that both parties are using this as a
bargaining pawn.
It's uncalled for.

What's uncalled for is trying to coerce people to inject poison into their
veins.

Should be freedom of choice.
I agree.

I'm glad to hear that also.

Both parties are worthless. Our real worry is this attempt to reset our
world into a massive satanic communist gulag (and that's the real purpose of
all the Covid panic porn).

I suspect, don't know, but this is a Marxist attempt at instituting
social government in USA.
From what I see and read this is what I believe.

Marxist, satanic, same difference. You do realize Karl Marx wrote poems in
his early life making allusions to selling his soul to Satan.

Yep, where the satanic agenda is more advanced.

I've been reading my Bible lately, ESV Study Bible FWIW, and having
been brought up in the Lutheran church, I am starting to wonder if
Satan has not been let loose from the pit. It certainly fits.

Yep. Especially the mark of the Beast (can't buy or sell without it) and
what they're (so far) still trying to do with "vaccine" passports. Even
Burger King in New York says they won't sell you one of their garbage
burgers without a "vaccine" passport. Look at what's happening to the poor
Australians.

Post by charlie freak
This debate will never end.

But our freedom will come to a screeching halt if we don't stop this
bullshit in its tracks.

The revolt is happening.
It's spreading to professional athletes which is good.

Yep. Southwest Airlines just backed down on its no-pay leave for its
employees who refuse to comply to vaccine mandates. (At least for now.) And
American Airlines is "negotiating" with their union. So the corporations are
caught between, "Do we go out of business enforcing these draconian dictates
passed down by the whim of the senile pervert in the White House (not even
an Executive Order, just some kind of "just do it") or do compromise?" For
now it appears they're choosing to compromise. We'll see how that goes.

--
"Name a product that blames its failure on those who don't use it."

"Women are women and men are men, if you
neuter a rooster he's a capon not a hen."

-hh

2021-10-20 00:33:18 UTC

...

"As of late."

No, that's been known for decades. What's changed has been the utter
dumbing-down of the US public who didn't know (or was convinced by
propaganda campaigns) that this is what's aways been.

Post by RonB
In other words the Covid, mRNA injection is useless against
the Covid variants ...

False statement.

Post by RonB
...so the goal post has been moved... again. A typical lying
tactic by typical liars.

No, RonB is just demonstrating how the public doesn't understand stuff
that's not been dumbed-down to a 5th grade comprehension level.

"The available data show that such deaths are exceptionally rare. More
than 187 million people in the U.S. had been fully vaccinated as of
Oct. 12. Of those, 7,178, or 0.004%, had died of a breakthrough
infection, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention. Of that group, 85% were over the age of 65."
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/colin-powells-death-from-breakthrough-covid-is-rare-event-data-show/

Liars lie. Especially when they're paid by Big Pharma to do so. Studies in
Israel (where forced "vaccine" rates are very high) show the opposite.

Just what "opposite" is this, RonB? Can you actually articulate a clear statement
or claim as to what you're disputing? Because it certainly sounds like you're
just mindlessly parroting something you heard, but don't actually understand.

Post by RonB
So just more of your bullshit. I'm not gullible enough to buy into it. Try it
on someone as stupid as you are.

Post by -hh
Same would have been true (if not even sooner) even if he hadn't been vaccinated.

RonB needs people to be stupid enough to be fooled by his propaganda.
Fscking lying POS.

The "vaccine" so-called is nowhere near 100%.

The mRNA based ones are running ~90%, which is a lot closer to 100% than
the historical track record of prior vaccines. For example, the classical
annual flu is generally considered to be having a good year if it hits 60%.

Post by RonB
Now they're only advertising

No, "EDUCATING". You should go back and read the journals from a
year ago where they were defining rates of effectiveness during trials.

Post by RonB
that it will lessen your symptoms instead of "you won't get the virus, and
you won't spread it." I've got news for these liars... most healthy people
who got Covid BEFORE the mRNA injections were available didn't even know
that they had it (they had to have bogus tests to know they were "sick"). It
was that mild. So the lie that the mRNA injections will lessen the symptoms
is just that — another lie in a long line of goalpost moving lies by these
liars.

Nope, the hospitalization & mortality rate data shows that point to be true.

Post by RonB
The mRNA injection is neither safe, nor effective — as thousands upon
thousands of adverse reactions to it prove.

Most adverse reactions are so mild that people don't even know that
they've had an adverse reaction ... sound familiar?

Post by RonB
It's a boondoggle (and a very
profitable one for Bill Gates and Big Pharma).

And yet they're ignored by that smarmy, little, lying bastard Fauci.

European research has found an infection survivor's antibodies to be
roughly equivalent to getting a single vaccination; France instituted a
policy where (infection +1) was considered to be equivalent to (2).
The policy approach in the US appears to be that a 2nd shot, even
if previously infected, is cheap insurance in a not supply-constrained
environment where one would have to worry about the ethics of
possibly denying another person their 2nd shot. This makes particular
sense when one recognizes that estimates of infected survivors who
have lingering "Long Covid" conditions are somewhat compromised
in their health, so they're effectively benefitting from getting the
equivalent of an early booster.

Are you talking the long term adverse effects for those who had Covid or for
those who were gullible enough to allow themselves to be injected with the
mRNA poison?

The "long term?" question is open for both, but since CoVid has been
around longer than the vaccines for it, the research data there is a bit
ahead: we already have serious indications that contracting Covid is
going to cause a significant percentage of the population to potentially
have chronic health conditions for the rest of their life, at significantly
higher rates than the rare side effects from vaccines.

Post by charlie freak
It comes down to risk vs reward and sadly the outliers, ie:people who
die from the vaccine, are focused on and I get it, even one life lost
is one too many.

The risk of dying from Covid is very, very low for those who are relatively
healthy.

That mortality risk is still 1000x higher than the same risk from the vaccine.
Likewise, the "cost of survival" is much higher for the disease vs vaccine.

Post by RonB
For those with serious comorbidities (like Colin Powell) — he was
already dying, with or without the mRNA poison — the adverse reactions
(complications) to the mRNA poison probably shortened the time he had left.

Given his age, he probably received his vaccinations 6+ months ago.
As such, the "poison" was long since gone out of his system.

Post by RonB
... What happened to "my body, my choice?"

Didn't ya hear? Texas made that illegal last month.

It goes back to education to the public at a level that they can comprehend.

For example, RonB was surprised above when he discovered that vaccines
don't provide 100% bulletproof immunity, but simply enable one's body a
better chance to fight off an infection.

That means that one still gets infected, but thanks to the vaccine, you beat
it faster / more thoroughly.

But since you were infected, it means that one will have a non-zero viral load
even though its generally be lower and for a shorter period of time - - its
still not a "ZERO", which means that even a vaccinated person has a chance
of contraction & passing it along to another (vaccinated or non-vaccinated).

Indeed, just how does RonB think that Powell got infected, if not from
someone carrying it that came into contact with him? Magic toadstools?

-hh

RabidHussar

2021-10-20 12:43:35 UTC

When I read that he died of Covid complications despite being "fully
vaccinated," I knew that the MSM would blame his death on cancer.

As usual, what kook idiot RonB "knew" was wrong. They did no such
thing. The headline was "COVID-19 complications".

Post by -hh
His cancer (and trashed immune system from that) wasn't mentioned at all
in the initial reports, which was a major screw-up by the Media (all of them).

https://apnews.com/article/colin-powell-dead-covid-9c918dc1c137ebf368f2cbb461e4fad4

"As of late." In other words the Covid, mRNA injection is useless against
the Covid variants so the goal post has been moved... again. A typical lying
tactic by typical liars.

Except that clownv is lying here. When the vaccines were first being
offered, they were sold on the percentage of efficacy at guarding
against the virus. They weren't saying "it's 94% effective at preventing
death" because there would be no such way of gauging that and no one
would be willing to become a guinea pig for such an experiment. They
lied and fooled the people into believing that if they got the vaccine,
they were 94% immune against the virus which we now know is a lie and
that the numbers are closer to 40%. In other words, you're completely
obliterating your immune system to gain a 40% protection against *ONE*
strain of COVID-19.

This is yet another quotable lie from our resident useful idiot clownv.

They only changed the narrative and started claiming that the vaccine
prevents you from having a serious illness and death once the statistics
started demonstrating how much they had initially lied. I know clownv
doesn't get this because he's the walking definition of stupid and has
the memory of a goldfish but the rest of us remember.

Additionally, Israel is proceeding with locking people out of public
venues now if they don't have their third booster shot. Basically,
getting two shots and two boosters is no longer enough to have a
semblance of a normal life. All of the useful idiots here encouraging us
to get jabbed are also encouraging us to subscribe to a lifetime of
vaccines. The only way out of such tyranny would have been for all of us
to reject the mandates and say that like with previous pharmaceuticals,
we will get it if we want it. The moment they insisted that we get it is
the moment we should all have stood up and said no.

Unfortunately, even people who believe themselves to be smart have
learned nothing of history, have no backbone and will willingly submit
to the barbarians when they come even though they come unarmed and _WE_
have strength in _OUR_ numbers. However, this is exactly what Orwell
predicted when he said "But the proles, if only they could somehow
become conscious of their own strength, would have no need to conspire.
They needed only to rise up and shake themselves like a horse shaking
off flies. If they chose they could blow the Party to pieces tomorrow
morning."

Post by -hh
Same would have been true (if not even sooner) even if he hadn't been vaccinated.

RonB needs people to be stupid enough to be fooled by his propaganda.
Fscking lying POS.

The "vaccine" so-called is nowhere near 100%. Now they're only advertising
that it will lessen your symptoms instead of "you won't get the virus, and
you won't spread it." I've got news for these liars... most healthy people
who got Covid BEFORE the mRNA injections were available didn't even know
that they had it (they had to have bogus tests to know they were "sick"). It
was that mild. So the lie that the mRNA injections will lessen the symptoms
is just that — another lie in a long line of goalpost moving lies by these
liars.
The mRNA injection is neither safe, nor effective — as thousands upon
thousands of adverse reactions to it prove. It's a boondoggle (and a very
profitable one for Bill Gates and Big Pharma).

Statistics coming out of the UK and Israel prove exactly what you just
said yet the government is continuously pumping the people full of
pharmaceuticals because they have convinced the population that so long
as they do the exact same thing, the result will eventually be different.

--
@RabidHussar

chrisv

2021-10-20 12:48:31 UTC

(snipped, unread)

What's the point? Pretty-much all these two do is lie.

--
'"As of late." In other words the Covid, mRNA injection is useless
against the Covid variants' - RonB, lying shamelessly

RonB

2021-10-20 21:26:52 UTC

When I read that he died of Covid complications despite being "fully
vaccinated," I knew that the MSM would blame his death on cancer.

As usual, what kook idiot RonB "knew" was wrong. They did no such
thing. The headline was "COVID-19 complications".

Post by -hh
His cancer (and trashed immune system from that) wasn't mentioned at all
in the initial reports, which was a major screw-up by the Media (all of them).

https://apnews.com/article/colin-powell-dead-covid-9c918dc1c137ebf368f2cbb461e4fad4

"As of late." In other words the Covid, mRNA injection is useless against
the Covid variants so the goal post has been moved... again. A typical lying
tactic by typical liars.

Except that clownv is lying here. When the vaccines were first being
offered, they were sold on the percentage of efficacy at guarding
against the virus. They weren't saying "it's 94% effective at preventing
death" because there would be no such way of gauging that and no one
would be willing to become a guinea pig for such an experiment. They
lied and fooled the people into believing that if they got the vaccine,
they were 94% immune against the virus which we now know is a lie and
that the numbers are closer to 40%. In other words, you're completely
obliterating your immune system to gain a 40% protection against *ONE*
strain of COVID-19.
This is yet another quotable lie from our resident useful idiot clownv.
They only changed the narrative and started claiming that the vaccine
prevents you from having a serious illness and death once the statistics
started demonstrating how much they had initially lied. I know clownv
doesn't get this because he's the walking definition of stupid and has
the memory of a goldfish but the rest of us remember.

Yep. They failed to mention how minor the symptoms were for MOST of those
who got Covid even before the mRNA injection. Equivocation. Telling the
truth with the intent to deceive — a form of lying.

Additionally, Israel is proceeding with locking people out of public
venues now if they don't have their third booster shot. Basically,
getting two shots and two boosters is no longer enough to have a
semblance of a normal life. All of the useful idiots here encouraging us
to get jabbed are also encouraging us to subscribe to a lifetime of
vaccines. The only way out of such tyranny would have been for all of us
to reject the mandates and say that like with previous pharmaceuticals,
we will get it if we want it. The moment they insisted that we get it is
the moment we should all have stood up and said no.
Unfortunately, even people who believe themselves to be smart have
learned nothing of history, have no backbone and will willingly submit
to the barbarians when they come even though they come unarmed and _WE_
have strength in _OUR_ numbers. However, this is exactly what Orwell
predicted when he said "But the proles, if only they could somehow
become conscious of their own strength, would have no need to conspire.
They needed only to rise up and shake themselves like a horse shaking
off flies. If they chose they could blow the Party to pieces tomorrow
morning."

And you've got "doctors" (professional liars) now claiming that Covid is
"never going away" and booster injections will be necessary from now on.
Exactly what I was saying near the beginning of this BS — they don't plan on
EVER returning to normal.

Funny, I've been reading 1984. Among the "crimes" against the "woke" is
"Facecrime." I can see that coming for us.

His earlier thought returned to him: probably she was not actually a
member of the Thought Police, but then it was precisely the amateur spy
who was the greatest danger of all. He did not know how long she had been
looking at him, but perhaps for as much as five minutes, and it was
possible that his features had not been perfectly under control. It was
terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public
place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you
away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering
to yourself—anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality,
of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression
on your face (to look incredulous when a victory was announced, for
example) was itself a punishable offence. There was even a word for it in
Newspeak: FACECRIME, it was called.

These insane satanists are going there. Just wait and watch. And gullible
idiots (take your bows, chrisv) will be right there cheering the insane
tyrants along.

Post by -hh
Same would have been true (if not even sooner) even if he hadn't been vaccinated.

RonB needs people to be stupid enough to be fooled by his propaganda.
Fscking lying POS.

The "vaccine" so-called is nowhere near 100%. Now they're only advertising
that it will lessen your symptoms instead of "you won't get the virus, and
you won't spread it." I've got news for these liars... most healthy people
who got Covid BEFORE the mRNA injections were available didn't even know
that they had it (they had to have bogus tests to know they were "sick"). It
was that mild. So the lie that the mRNA injections will lessen the symptoms
is just that — another lie in a long line of goalpost moving lies by these
liars.
The mRNA injection is neither safe, nor effective — as thousands upon
thousands of adverse reactions to it prove. It's a boondoggle (and a very
profitable one for Bill Gates and Big Pharma).

Yep. I'm convinced this mRNA injection has nothing to do with Covid. There's
something in that injection they desperately want in your body. I don't know
what it is, there have many theories, but I don't need the theories to
"smell" something rotten here. I go by the maniacal drive by petty
bureaucrats to force this crap on us. It's way out of proportion to the need
(especially in kids and adults under 45).

--
"Name a product that blames its failure on those who don't use it."

"Women are women and men are men, if you
neuter a rooster he's a capon not a hen."

Joel

2021-10-19 13:51:42 UTC

May Colin Powell rest in peace. If he hadn't lied for Bush on Iraq and its
"weapons of mass destruction" he knew weren't there, he might have been our
first black president.
When I read that he died of Covid complications despite being "fully
vaccinated," I knew that the MSM would blame his death on cancer. Actually
they're right about that. Colin Powell's comorbidities were the main cause
of his death. But he probably would lived a while longer if Covid hadn't
come along and Covid "came along" despite his being "fully vaccinated."
So now that the MSM has learned how to blame at least one death involving
Covid as mostly due to comorbidities, when are these hypocrites going to
admit that almost ALL "Covid deaths" involve people who have serious
comorbidities? Almost all were on their way out, Covid gave them the "push"
out the door but they were on their way to the door anyhow. (Note, I said
most.)
Of course, the MSM will never admit that, they're lying hypocrites and this
doesn't fit their satanic communist agenda. Deaths from gunshot and
motorcycle accidents are still called "Covid deaths." But their hypocrisy
doesn't make the truth any less true.

It's a reminder that the vaccines have not gotten us entirely out of
the pandemic. We still need to take reasonable measures to slow the
spread of the virus.

--
Joel Crump

charlie freak

2021-10-19 13:58:55 UTC

It's a reminder that the vaccines have not gotten us entirely out of
the pandemic. We still need to take reasonable measures to slow the
spread of the virus.

True statement.
Key phrase "reasonable measures".

The big problem is the pandemic has become politicized and is
literally tearing our country and pretty much the world, apart.
This is not a good thing.

--
Charlie Freak
F**k Joe Biden

RonB

2021-10-19 22:18:42 UTC

It's a reminder that the vaccines have not gotten us entirely out of
the pandemic. We still need to take reasonable measures to slow the
spread of the virus.

True statement.
Key phrase "reasonable measures".
The big problem is the pandemic has become politicized and is
literally tearing our country and pretty much the world, apart.
This is not a good thing.

The "pandemic" has ALWAYS been about satanic communist control, or what
Schwab calls the "great reset." Gates & Co. were already practicing their
response in 2019 for a "pandemic" that didn't yet exist.

--
"Name a product that blames its failure on those who don't use it."

"Women are women and men are men, if you neuter a rooster he's a
capon not a hen."

charlie freak

2021-10-19 23:00:25 UTC

It's a reminder that the vaccines have not gotten us entirely out of
the pandemic. We still need to take reasonable measures to slow the
spread of the virus.

True statement.
Key phrase "reasonable measures".
The big problem is the pandemic has become politicized and is
literally tearing our country and pretty much the world, apart.
This is not a good thing.

Well, I'm not really a religious person although I do believe we are
"Created" by some super being and didn't just appear out of nowhere.
Reason being, things are just too orderly.

Anyway, this may interest you. It offers a reasonable explanation for
what is going on.

https://www.wnd.com/2021/10/bidens-actions-explained-cloward-piven-
strategy/

--
Charlie Freak
F**k Joe Biden

coffee.drinker

2021-10-23 21:31:25 UTC

Post by charlie freak
Well, I'm not really a religious person although I do believe we are
"Created" by some super being and didn't just appear out of nowhere.
Reason being, things are just too orderly.
Anyway, this may interest you. It offers a reasonable explanation for
what is going on.
https://www.wnd.com/2021/10/bidens-actions-explained-cloward-piven-
strategy/

And where does this super being come from? What created him?

--
Hot Cappuccino

chrisv

2021-10-19 23:49:48 UTC

The "pandemic" has ALWAYS been about (kookery snipped)

Fscking kook. Evil bastard. Lying POS.

RabidHussar

2021-10-19 15:05:29 UTC

May Colin Powell rest in peace. If he hadn't lied for Bush on Iraq and its
"weapons of mass destruction" he knew weren't there, he might have been our
first black president.
When I read that he died of Covid complications despite being "fully
vaccinated," I knew that the MSM would blame his death on cancer. Actually
they're right about that. Colin Powell's comorbidities were the main cause
of his death. But he probably would lived a while longer if Covid hadn't
come along — and Covid "came along" despite his being "fully vaccinated."
So now that the MSM has learned how to blame at least one death involving
Covid as mostly due to comorbidities, when are these hypocrites going to
admit that almost ALL "Covid deaths" involve people who have serious
comorbidities? Almost all were on their way out, Covid gave them the "push"
out the door but they were on their way to the door anyhow. (Note, I said
most.)
Of course, the MSM will never admit that, they're lying hypocrites and this
doesn't fit their satanic communist agenda. Deaths from gunshot and
motorcycle accidents are still called "Covid deaths." But their hypocrisy
doesn't make the truth any less true.

I knew nothing of the man but hated him because of his insistence that
"Colin" should be pronounced "colon." On the other hand, it kind of
makes sense considering how much bullshit came through the man.

--
@RabidHussar

chrisv

2021-10-19 16:06:23 UTC

Post by RabidHussar
I knew nothing of the man but hated him because of his insistence that
"Colin" should be pronounced "colon."

Well, that's a "good reason" to hate a man, "Slimer".

FFS, you are shitty. No wonder RonB likes you.

Post by RabidHussar
On the other hand, it kind of makes sense considering
how much bullshit came through the man.

What some right-wing extremist considers "bullshit", anyway.

--
Sergio wrote: Make Africa great again...

"Slimer" responds: First step: send all of the black people in all
Western countries back there. They hate it in America and Canada and
keep reminding us about it.

rbowman

2021-10-20 02:45:27 UTC

Post by RabidHussar
I knew nothing of the man but hated him because of his insistence that
"Colin" should be pronounced "colon."

Well, that's a "good reason" to hate a man, "Slimer".
FFS, you are shitty. No wonder RonB likes you.

Post by RabidHussar
On the other hand, it kind of makes sense considering
how much bullshit came through the man.

What some right-wing extremist considers "bullshit", anyway.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/18/colin-powell-un-security-council-iraq

“My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources,
solid sources,” he said in the now infamous 5 February 2003 briefing.
“These are not assertions. What we’re giving you are facts and
conclusions based on solid intelligence.”

Just another in the line of government mouthpieces pissing down your
back and telling you it's raining. Is there any wonder why people trust
the government as much as a Nigerian prince with $18 million for you?

Well, some fools do fall for both scams.

chrisv

2021-10-20 12:40:13 UTC

Post by RabidHussar
On the other hand, it kind of makes sense considering
how much bullshit came through the man.

What some right-wing extremist considers "bullshit", anyway.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/18/colin-powell-un-security-council-iraq
My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources,
solid sources, he said in the now infamous 5 February 2003 briefing.
These are not assertions. What were giving you are facts and
conclusions based on solid intelligence.
Just another in the line of government mouthpieces pissing down your
back and telling you it's raining. Is there any wonder why people trust
the government as much as a Nigerian prince with $18 million for you?

You're right, about the "WMD" lies. I have put that mostly on
Bush-league, ordering everyone to lie and cheat, but someone of
Powell's stature needs to resign, if ordered to do something that is
wrong.

--
"Actually, installing Linux on a modern PC is surprisingly difficult."
- "Slimer"

rbowman

2021-10-20 14:08:40 UTC

Post by RabidHussar
On the other hand, it kind of makes sense considering
how much bullshit came through the man.

What some right-wing extremist considers "bullshit", anyway.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/18/colin-powell-un-security-council-iraq
“My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources,
solid sources,” he said in the now infamous 5 February 2003 briefing.
“These are not assertions. What we’re giving you are facts and
conclusions based on solid intelligence.”
Just another in the line of government mouthpieces pissing down your
back and telling you it's raining. Is there any wonder why people trust
the government as much as a Nigerian prince with $18 million for you?

Lt. Col. Stu Scheller is one of the few officers of that caliber. Now we
have generals worrying bout their manicure and the newly minted admiral.
I thought Jocelyn Elders' fondness for full dress uniforms was over the
top but Levine jumped that shark.

The military has more generals than it had during WWII and it hasn't
exactly won a war since that one. Flynn is the only one I respect and he
got railroaded by a vindictive Obama.

RabidHussar

2021-10-20 15:18:28 UTC

Post by RabidHussar
On the other hand, it kind of makes sense considering
how much bullshit came through the man.

What some right-wing extremist considers "bullshit", anyway.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/18/colin-powell-un-security-council-iraq
“My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources,
solid sources,” he said in the now infamous 5 February 2003 briefing.
“These are not assertions. What we’re giving you are facts and
conclusions based on solid intelligence.”
Just another in the line of government mouthpieces pissing down your
back and telling you it's raining. Is there any wonder why people trust
the government as much as a Nigerian prince with $18 million for you?

Lt. Col. Stu Scheller is one of the few officers of that caliber. Now we
have generals worrying bout their manicure and the newly minted admiral.
I thought Jocelyn Elders' fondness for full dress uniforms was over the
top but Levine jumped that shark.
The military has more generals than it had during WWII and it hasn't
exactly won a war since that one. Flynn is the only one I respect and he
got railroaded by a vindictive Obama.

I think it's time for people to stop saying that the United States won
the Second World War. They arrived late and let the British (by
decrypting the Nazi encryption) and the Soviets (with their direct
assault on the Nazis) do all of the heavy lifting. In fact, the Soviets
were the ones to march on Berlin, not the Americans. If anything, the
American role was mostly financial.

It actually bothers me how Americans seem to teach their people that
they single-handedly defeated the Nazis.

--
@RabidHussar

chrisv

2021-10-20 15:40:09 UTC

I think it's time for (idiocy and lies, snipped)

I think it's time for "Slimer" to shut his lying pie-hole.

Obviously, the US played a key role, and Slime's claim that the
Americans didn't march on Berlin is a ridiculous *lie*.

He's shameless, folks!

It actually bothers me how Americans seem to teach their people that
they single-handedly defeated the Nazis.

But people aren't taught that. They are taught about "The Allies"
defeating the Nazis. Lying dipshit.

Yet another made-up "seems like" lie, from "Slimer".

--
"Whereas I hate Linux's guts as a result of how the advocunts here lie
and attack anyone with an opinion that is different than theirs." -
"Slimer", lying shamelessly

RonB

2021-10-20 21:30:00 UTC

Post by RabidHussar
On the other hand, it kind of makes sense considering
how much bullshit came through the man.

What some right-wing extremist considers "bullshit", anyway.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/18/colin-powell-un-security-council-iraq
“My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources,
solid sources,” he said in the now infamous 5 February 2003 briefing.
“These are not assertions. What we’re giving you are facts and
conclusions based on solid intelligence.”
Just another in the line of government mouthpieces pissing down your
back and telling you it's raining. Is there any wonder why people trust
the government as much as a Nigerian prince with $18 million for you?

Lt. Col. Stu Scheller is one of the few officers of that caliber. Now we
have generals worrying bout their manicure and the newly minted admiral.
I thought Jocelyn Elders' fondness for full dress uniforms was over the
top but Levine jumped that shark.
The military has more generals than it had during WWII and it hasn't
exactly won a war since that one. Flynn is the only one I respect and he
got railroaded by a vindictive Obama.

I think it's time for people to stop saying that the United States won
the Second World War. They arrived late and let the British (by
decrypting the Nazi encryption) and the Soviets (with their direct
assault on the Nazis) do all of the heavy lifting. In fact, the Soviets
were the ones to march on Berlin, not the Americans. If anything, the
American role was mostly financial.
It actually bothers me how Americans seem to teach their people that
they single-handedly defeated the Nazis.

Yeah, like "we" single-handedly defeated ISIS in Syria (with a "little" help
from the Russians).

--
"Name a product that blames its failure on those who don't use it."

"Women are women and men are men, if you
neuter a rooster he's a capon not a hen."

rbowman

2021-10-21 02:17:27 UTC

Post by RabidHussar
On the other hand, it kind of makes sense considering
how much bullshit came through the man.

What some right-wing extremist considers "bullshit", anyway.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/18/colin-powell-un-security-council-iraq
“My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources,
solid sources,” he said in the now infamous 5 February 2003 briefing.
“These are not assertions. What we’re giving you are facts and
conclusions based on solid intelligence.”
Just another in the line of government mouthpieces pissing down your
back and telling you it's raining. Is there any wonder why people trust
the government as much as a Nigerian prince with $18 million for you?

Lt. Col. Stu Scheller is one of the few officers of that caliber. Now we
have generals worrying bout their manicure and the newly minted admiral.
I thought Jocelyn Elders' fondness for full dress uniforms was over the
top but Levine jumped that shark.
The military has more generals than it had during WWII and it hasn't
exactly won a war since that one. Flynn is the only one I respect and he
got railroaded by a vindictive Obama.

I think it's time for people to stop saying that the United States won
the Second World War. They arrived late and let the British (by
decrypting the Nazi encryption) and the Soviets (with their direct
assault on the Nazis) do all of the heavy lifting. In fact, the Soviets
were the ones to march on Berlin, not the Americans. If anything, the
American role was mostly financial.
It actually bothers me how Americans seem to teach their people that
they single-handedly defeated the Nazis.

Yeah, like "we" single-handedly defeated ISIS in Syria (with a "little" help
from the Russians).

They were just the Junior Varsity team and most of them were merely
brave freedom fighters.

Dick_Holder

2021-10-20 22:07:08 UTC

On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 11:18:28 -0400, RabidHussar, typed

Post by RabidHussar
On the other hand, it kind of makes sense considering
how much bullshit came through the man.

What some right-wing extremist considers "bullshit", anyway.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/18/colin-powell-un-security-council-iraq
“My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources,
solid sources,” he said in the now infamous 5 February 2003 briefing.
“These are not assertions. What we’re giving you are facts and
conclusions based on solid intelligence.”
Just another in the line of government mouthpieces pissing down your
back and telling you it's raining. Is there any wonder why people trust
the government as much as a Nigerian prince with $18 million for you?

Lt. Col. Stu Scheller is one of the few officers of that caliber. Now we
have generals worrying bout their manicure and the newly minted admiral.
I thought Jocelyn Elders' fondness for full dress uniforms was over the
top but Levine jumped that shark.
The military has more generals than it had during WWII and it hasn't
exactly won a war since that one. Flynn is the only one I respect and he
got railroaded by a vindictive Obama.

I think it's time for people to stop saying that the United States won
the Second World War. They arrived late and let the British (by
decrypting the Nazi encryption) and the Soviets (with their direct
assault on the Nazis) do all of the heavy lifting. In fact, the Soviets
were the ones to march on Berlin, not the Americans. If anything, the
American role was mostly financial.
It actually bothers me how Americans seem to teach their people that
they single-handedly defeated the Nazis.

I was taught we beat the crap out of the Japs :)
It was an Allied victory in Europe, and Russia is given credit.
Iraq was an "As Seen on TV" war-like thingy where fancy, expensive
weaponry was televised as being well worth the expense.

--
End of buffer

RabidHussar

2021-10-21 00:04:05 UTC

Post by Dick_Holder
On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 11:18:28 -0400, RabidHussar, typed

Post by RabidHussar
On the other hand, it kind of makes sense considering
how much bullshit came through the man.

What some right-wing extremist considers "bullshit", anyway.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/18/colin-powell-un-security-council-iraq
“My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources,
solid sources,” he said in the now infamous 5 February 2003 briefing.
“These are not assertions. What we’re giving you are facts and
conclusions based on solid intelligence.”
Just another in the line of government mouthpieces pissing down your
back and telling you it's raining. Is there any wonder why people trust
the government as much as a Nigerian prince with $18 million for you?

Lt. Col. Stu Scheller is one of the few officers of that caliber. Now we
have generals worrying bout their manicure and the newly minted admiral.
I thought Jocelyn Elders' fondness for full dress uniforms was over the
top but Levine jumped that shark.
The military has more generals than it had during WWII and it hasn't
exactly won a war since that one. Flynn is the only one I respect and he
got railroaded by a vindictive Obama.

I think it's time for people to stop saying that the United States won
the Second World War. They arrived late and let the British (by
decrypting the Nazi encryption) and the Soviets (with their direct
assault on the Nazis) do all of the heavy lifting. In fact, the Soviets
were the ones to march on Berlin, not the Americans. If anything, the
American role was mostly financial.
It actually bothers me how Americans seem to teach their people that
they single-handedly defeated the Nazis.

It was an Allied victory in Europe, for sure, but America's contribution
was mostly in ensuring that the Soviet Union gets the supplies it needs
to fight the Nazis. As terrible as their army was, their numbers were
huge and they were much better equipped for the climate so it was just a
matter of time before the Soviets beat the Nazis regardless of whether
the Americans supplied them or not. It IS possible that the Nazis would
have defeated the Soviets had they continued to pummel Moscow and not be
distracted by Stalingrad though but I believe they needed to capture the
oil fields to the South of there anyway. I don't believe, like most do,
that the attack on the shores of Normandy was as significant in the
grand scheme of things as the Nazis retreating from the Eastern front.

Of course, Hollywood has it own opinion and, as we all know, Hollywood
and the American media is never wrong about the lies it tells.

--
@RabidHussar
Happy to shove that vaccine of yours up your ass

rbowman

2021-10-21 02:20:54 UTC

Post by Dick_Holder
On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 11:18:28 -0400, RabidHussar, typed

Post by RabidHussar
On the other hand, it kind of makes sense considering
how much bullshit came through the man.

What some right-wing extremist considers "bullshit", anyway.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/18/colin-powell-un-security-council-iraq
“My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources,
solid sources,” he said in the now infamous 5 February 2003 briefing.
“These are not assertions. What we’re giving you are facts and
conclusions based on solid intelligence.”
Just another in the line of government mouthpieces pissing down your
back and telling you it's raining. Is there any wonder why people trust
the government as much as a Nigerian prince with $18 million for you?

Lt. Col. Stu Scheller is one of the few officers of that caliber. Now we
have generals worrying bout their manicure and the newly minted admiral.
I thought Jocelyn Elders' fondness for full dress uniforms was over the
top but Levine jumped that shark.
The military has more generals than it had during WWII and it hasn't
exactly won a war since that one. Flynn is the only one I respect and he
got railroaded by a vindictive Obama.

I think it's time for people to stop saying that the United States won
the Second World War. They arrived late and let the British (by
decrypting the Nazi encryption) and the Soviets (with their direct
assault on the Nazis) do all of the heavy lifting. In fact, the Soviets
were the ones to march on Berlin, not the Americans. If anything, the
American role was mostly financial.
It actually bothers me how Americans seem to teach their people that
they single-handedly defeated the Nazis.

Iraq was a convenient proving ground like Spain in the '30s for the US
to find out if their shiny toys worked. Iraq, for the most part, is a
mechanized infantryman's dream. The Korengal not so much.

rbowman

2021-10-21 02:15:39 UTC

Post by RabidHussar
On the other hand, it kind of makes sense considering
how much bullshit came through the man.

What some right-wing extremist considers "bullshit", anyway.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/18/colin-powell-un-security-council-iraq
“My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources,
solid sources,” he said in the now infamous 5 February 2003 briefing.
“These are not assertions. What we’re giving you are facts and
conclusions based on solid intelligence.”
Just another in the line of government mouthpieces pissing down your
back and telling you it's raining. Is there any wonder why people trust
the government as much as a Nigerian prince with $18 million for you?

Lt. Col. Stu Scheller is one of the few officers of that caliber. Now
we have generals worrying bout their manicure and the newly minted
admiral. I thought Jocelyn Elders' fondness for full dress uniforms
was over the top but Levine jumped that shark.
The military has more generals than it had during WWII and it hasn't
exactly won a war since that one. Flynn is the only one I respect and
he got railroaded by a vindictive Obama.

I think it's time for people to stop saying that the United States won
the Second World War. They arrived late and let the British (by
decrypting the Nazi encryption) and the Soviets (with their direct
assault on the Nazis) do all of the heavy lifting. In fact, the Soviets
were the ones to march on Berlin, not the Americans. If anything, the
American role was mostly financial.
It actually bothers me how Americans seem to teach their people that
they single-handedly defeated the Nazis.

There was that little war in the Pacific... If the Soviets had the
Japanese kicking down their backdoor they would have had a problem. The
Russo-Japanese war was a wakeup call for the Russians. Those little
yellow guys weren't supposed to win.

iirc, the BEF went home in rowboats at the beginning of the war and
France found happiness under Petain. Poland thought the Brits had their
back, a major mistake.

Letting the Soviets march on Berlin was a brilliant idea. How many years
of communist misery did that bring to eastern Europe?

RabidHussar

2021-10-21 12:25:19 UTC

Post by RabidHussar
On the other hand, it kind of makes sense considering
how much bullshit came through the man.

What some right-wing extremist considers "bullshit", anyway.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/18/colin-powell-un-security-council-iraq
“My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources,
solid sources,” he said in the now infamous 5 February 2003 briefing.
“These are not assertions. What we’re giving you are facts and
conclusions based on solid intelligence.”
Just another in the line of government mouthpieces pissing down your
back and telling you it's raining. Is there any wonder why people trust
the government as much as a Nigerian prince with $18 million for you?

Lt. Col. Stu Scheller is one of the few officers of that caliber. Now
we have generals worrying bout their manicure and the newly minted
admiral. I thought Jocelyn Elders' fondness for full dress uniforms
was over the top but Levine jumped that shark.
The military has more generals than it had during WWII and it hasn't
exactly won a war since that one. Flynn is the only one I respect and
he got railroaded by a vindictive Obama.

I think it's time for people to stop saying that the United States won
the Second World War. They arrived late and let the British (by
decrypting the Nazi encryption) and the Soviets (with their direct
assault on the Nazis) do all of the heavy lifting. In fact, the Soviets
were the ones to march on Berlin, not the Americans. If anything, the
American role was mostly financial.
It actually bothers me how Americans seem to teach their people that
they single-handedly defeated the Nazis.

There was that little war in the Pacific... If the Soviets had the
Japanese kicking down their backdoor they would have had a problem.

I agree. However, the Soviets would have had the problem back in 1940 or
1941. After that, they were prepared to fight a war on two fronts even
if their military was undisciplined and relied on sheer numbers to triumph.

The
Russo-Japanese war was a wakeup call for the Russians. Those little
yellow guys weren't supposed to win.

How long did it take for the Japanese to destroy the totality of the
Russian navy? Twenty minutes?

iirc, the BEF went home in rowboats at the beginning of the war and
France found happiness under Petain. Poland thought the Brits had their
back, a major mistake.

The British probably DID have their back but they overestimated their
military strength in comparison to Germany's. Let's not forget that
Germany had been preparing for this World War for years and that the
rest of Europe was still shaking off the effects of the first global
engagement. It only makes sense that Germany had a significant advantage
during the first few years of conflict.

Letting the Soviets march on Berlin was a brilliant idea. How many years
of communist misery did that bring to eastern Europe?

They didn't _let_ them, as far as I know; they didn't have a choice as
the Soviet Union was making progress a lot faster than anyone had
anticipated.

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rbowman

2021-10-21 14:13:39 UTC

Post by RabidHussar
The British probably DID have their back but they overestimated their
military strength in comparison to Germany's. Let's not forget that
Germany had been preparing for this World War for years and that the
rest of Europe was still shaking off the effects of the first global
engagement. It only makes sense that Germany had a significant advantage
during the first few years of conflict.

I think Britain knew exactly where it stood and was hoping it would have
time to catch up. They and France were screwing around with the Phoney
War. France did try an offensive while Germany was occupied with Poland
but lost interest in a few days and went home. Poland may or may not
have come out a lot better if it wasn't so huffy about the Danzig
corridor and Danzig in general. They had Gdynia and didn't really need
to keep stirring the soup in an area that was 99% German.

The Brits were planning to invade Norway, but Germany got there first. I
think there's a lot of selective memory in Norway, or I should say in
most of Europe. Even Poland said 'Open season of Jews? Yahoo!'.

Britain and France offered up thoughts and prayers to Finland in lieu of
doing anything. It was the Winter War that got Hitler thinking if a
bunch of guys on skis could kick Soviet ass maybe there wasn't much
strength there.

Hitler also had strange ideas about Britain. He thought Britannia could
rules the seas and he would concentrate on the land. Germany, like
Russia, isn't in a great location to become a sea power. As for France
there was going to be payback for Versailles.

RabidHussar

2021-10-21 15:09:29 UTC

Not entirely. France's offensive was fairly successful but only because
most of Germany's army was busy crossing the Ardennes that France
thought was impassible to tanks. Once it was crossed, France had no
chance of defending itself. It's similar to how Mehmed II circled
Constantinople's defenses to end up in the waters right outside the city.

Post by rbowman
Poland may or may not
have come out a lot better if it wasn't so huffy about the Danzig
corridor and Danzig in general. They had Gdynia and didn't really need
to keep stirring the soup in an area that was 99% German.

I honestly think that Poland would have fared better had they just
agreed to the corridor with the Nazis and tried to work _with_ Hitler
rather than mocking him and his chances of starting and winning a war.
If an area is already 99% German and the only reason it is in your
possession is because it was basically given to you after the Second
World War, it only makes sense that you don't act too arrogant about it
being yours.

Post by rbowman
The Brits were planning to invade Norway, but Germany got there first. I
think there's a lot of selective memory in Norway, or I should say in
most of Europe. Even Poland said 'Open season of Jews? Yahoo!'.

Jews aren't too good at building a good opinion of themselves. It might
have to do with the fact that the Torah tells them that every non-Jew is
awful, that Jesus is boiling in excrement and that we will all be their
slaves eventually. Of course, that's just my hypothesis and it's quite
possible that their money laundering operations and insistence on
corrupting every government that accommodates them has something to do
with it.

Post by rbowman
Britain and France offered up thoughts and prayers to Finland in lieu of
doing anything. It was the Winter War that got Hitler thinking if a
bunch of guys on skis could kick Soviet ass maybe there wasn't much
strength there.
Hitler also had strange ideas about Britain. He thought Britannia could
rules the seas and he would concentrate on the land. Germany, like
Russia, isn't in a great location to become a sea power. As for France
there was going to be payback for Versailles.

The French are such pussies that I have trouble imagining they could
fight their way out of a paper bag. They're fantastic whiners but not
too good at doing anything other than produce amazing culture. Germany
COULD have an amazing Navy but only if they had immediate access to the
Atlantic the way that Britain does. Otherwise, they are immediately
surrounded by potential enemies the moment their ships enter the water
in the Baltic.

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rbowman

2021-10-22 03:27:51 UTC

Post by RabidHussar
I honestly think that Poland would have fared better had they just
agreed to the corridor with the Nazis and tried to work _with_ Hitler
rather than mocking him and his chances of starting and winning a war.
If an area is already 99% German and the only reason it is in your
possession is because it was basically given to you after the Second
World War, it only makes sense that you don't act too arrogant about it
being yours.

That's been my opinion but it isn't a popular one. Hitler was heavily
influenced by geopolitics and I don't believe he was altogether wrong. A
prime objective was pushing the Soviets east of the Urals so at least
there would be a defensible border. Then there was the drive to the oil
fields. I facetiously said there was also the desire to snag some nice
warm beaches on the Black Sea. Winter in Germany can suck.

At least at the beginning I think Germany would have happily built an
autobahn with no exit ramps across the corridor and went about their
business. Loading everything on boats to get to the other part of your
country is tedious.

RabidHussar

2021-10-22 12:49:35 UTC

That's been my opinion but it isn't a popular one. Hitler was heavily
influenced by geopolitics and I don't believe he was altogether wrong. A
prime objective was pushing the Soviets east of the Urals so at least
there would be a defensible border. Then there was the drive to the oil
fields. I facetiously said there was also the desire to snag some nice
warm beaches on the Black Sea. Winter in Germany can suck.
At least at the beginning I think Germany would have happily built an
autobahn with no exit ramps across the corridor and went about their
business. Loading everything on boats to get to the other part of your
country is tedious.

Even though I'm Polish, I honestly think that it is pretty ridiculous
the way they gave that area to the country after the First World War's
completion. I get it, Austria-Germany lost the war and they didn't have
a say in the negotiations but they essentially gave a German-speaking
area to the newly-formed Polish country to make sure that the former has
access to the Baltic and didn't think there would be repercussions in
the long run? Poland and Germany could have made it work, especially
given the fact that one was part of the other for so long, but it seems
that we had a very arrogant leader at the time.

--
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Happy to shove that vaccine of yours up your ass

rbowman

2021-10-22 14:11:59 UTC

That's been my opinion but it isn't a popular one. Hitler was heavily
influenced by geopolitics and I don't believe he was altogether wrong.
A prime objective was pushing the Soviets east of the Urals so at
least there would be a defensible border. Then there was the drive to
the oil fields. I facetiously said there was also the desire to snag
some nice warm beaches on the Black Sea. Winter in Germany can suck.
At least at the beginning I think Germany would have happily built an
autobahn with no exit ramps across the corridor and went about their
business. Loading everything on boats to get to the other part of your
country is tedious.

Czechoslovakia was a prime example of WWI stupidity. Even Poland was
involved when they carved that turkey up. Germany wanted Sudetenland,
Hungary wanted the ethnic Magyar area in the south, Poland wanted
Zaolzie, and the Slovaks wanted their piece.

Even the name of the country was a joke. A friend of mine was a Czech
and didn't care much for Slovaks. Culturally and genetically Czechs lean
more toward the German side.

Stash and Fritz could have sat down over some beer and wurst and worked
it out but when you get governments involved it all goes to hell.

pothead

2021-10-21 13:25:20 UTC

Post by rbowman
Letting the Soviets march on Berlin was a brilliant idea.

As Slime said, I don't think that we "let" them. They just got there
first.

Post by rbowman
How many years
of communist misery did that bring to eastern Europe?

Have you ever wondered what mankind could accomplish, if we stopped
warring with each other.

I have thought that for many years.

"I want what you have, and I'll kill you to get it, if I must."
It's actually kind of weird, if you think about it

It all reminds me of the song "One Tin Soldier" from the Billy Jack
movie.
Man kind is inherently greedy and evil and the more power a person
has typically the more evil they become.

--
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RonB

2021-10-22 13:38:52 UTC

Post by pothead

Post by rbowman
Letting the Soviets march on Berlin was a brilliant idea.

As Slime said, I don't think that we "let" them. They just got there
first.

Post by rbowman
How many years
of communist misery did that bring to eastern Europe?

Have you ever wondered what mankind could accomplish, if we stopped
warring with each other.

I have thought that for many years.

Well never happen because it is a spiritual war between Satan (and his
followers) and God (and his followers). What are we supposed to do when a
Nazi Germany, a Soviet Russia, a Red China, an ISIS or someone like Pol Pot
rears their hideous heads? Sing kumbyyah and hope they don't kill us and our
children too painfully?

Catholics call the Church on earth the "Church Militant," because there is a
constant spiritual (and physical) war waged by Satan to take our souls.
Paradise is what you earn when you "fight the good fight" and die in grace.
It's not going to happen on earth. Ever.

Post by pothead

"I want what you have, and I'll kill you to get it, if I must."
It's actually kind of weird, if you think about it

It all reminds me of the song "One Tin Soldier" from the Billy Jack
movie.
Man kind is inherently greedy and evil and the more power a person
has typically the more evil they become.

Men, without God, are inherently cruel. Vigilance is the price of freedom.
You can't "wish away" the bad man. You have to hit him on the snout.

--
"Name a product that blames its failure on those who don't use it."

"Women are women and men are men, if you
neuter a rooster he's a capon not a hen."

rbowman

2021-10-23 00:53:17 UTC

Post by RonB
Catholics call the Church on earth the "Church Militant," because there is a
constant spiritual (and physical) war waged by Satan to take our souls.
Paradise is what you earn when you "fight the good fight" and die in grace.
It's not going to happen on earth. Ever.

I think the current occupier of the papal seat ran up the white flag a
while back.

RonB

2021-10-23 14:49:13 UTC

I think the current occupier of the papal seat ran up the white flag a
while back.

Yeah, but he's not the Church Militant and not the first crappy pope we've
had.

--
"Name a product that blames its failure on those who don't use it."

"Women are women and men are men, if you
neuter a rooster he's a capon not a hen."

RonB

2021-10-23 21:22:02 UTC

I think the current occupier of the papal seat ran up the white flag a
while back.

Yeah, but he's not the Church Militant and not the first crappy pope we've
had.

I had hopes for Benedict but I think he got tired of shoveling shit
against the tide.

I think he got forced out of office. A coup. Probably blackmailed him or
something or simply threatened him.

He was one of the drivers for Vatican II, but it definitely looks like he
regretted some of what he had done.

--
"Name a product that blames its failure on those who don't use it."

"Women are women and men are men, if you
neuter a rooster he's a capon not a hen."

rbowman

2021-10-23 17:41:20 UTC

I think the current occupier of the papal seat ran up the white flag a
while back.

The guy is clearly a fraud and has beliefs that are contrary to what
Catholicism teaches. They did a wonderful job making him look like the
better of two choices in The Two Popes but the reality is that if you
know what doctrine is and what he preaches, you'll notice that they're
at two polar opposites.

I'm a dinosaur. Pius XII was alive when I received my first communion
and Fulton J. Sheen was arguably the first televangelist. Then came
hootenanny masses and other theological novelties. I've said it before
but they read the Syllabus of Errors and decided to try them all.

RonB

2021-10-23 21:19:30 UTC

I think the current occupier of the papal seat ran up the white flag a
while back.

That pretty much sums it up. Satan has been loosed "for a little season."

--
"Name a product that blames its failure on those who don't use it."

"Women are women and men are men, if you
neuter a rooster he's a capon not a hen."

RonB

2021-10-23 21:18:11 UTC

I think the current occupier of the papal seat ran up the white flag a
while back.

The whole situation stunk. A pope "retires" but somehow retains the title
"Pope Emeritus?" What really bugged me about Francis, from the beginning,
was his continually bragging about his humility. Which was clearly bogus
— and (at first anyway) the MSM (like good little puppets) kept pushing the
"humble" narrative. I could see in this man's eyes that he definitely was
NOT humble. The whole pope "changeover" felt like a coup.

--
"Name a product that blames its failure on those who don't use it."

"Women are women and men are men, if you
neuter a rooster he's a capon not a hen."

rbowman

2021-10-24 00:32:08 UTC

I think the current occupier of the papal seat ran up the white flag a
while back.

I don't know how Ratzinger ever got elected. If you look at his years in
the CDF he was a conservative and traditionalist. Even there he wanted
to step down and become a researcher in the Vatican Library.

I think he saw he was fighting a losing battle and wanted out to spend
the rest of his life in contemplation and study. His resignation for
health reasons was ironical. At 94 he holds the longevity record among
popes and former popes.

rbowman

2021-10-23 01:02:50 UTC

Post by pothead
Man kind is inherently greedy and evil and the more power a person
has typically the more evil they become.

Yeah, it's like whatever they can get away-with, they will do. Of
course, with more power/money, you can get away-with more.

Post by RonB
Men, without God, are inherently cruel.

Men with God are no better.
In either case, only a small fraction are "cruel". However, a large
fraction are "greedy".

Evelyn Waugh was reportedly a real bastard.

"There is a well-known story about the novelist Evelyn Waugh. He was
once very rude and his hostess remonstrated: “How can you behave so
badly – and you a Catholic!” Waugh replied: “You have no idea how much
nastier I would be if I was not a Catholic. Without supernatural aid I
would hardly be a human being.”

https://evelynwaughsociety.org/2016/waughs-religion/

rbowman

2021-10-21 14:19:43 UTC

Post by rbowman
Letting the Soviets march on Berlin was a brilliant idea.

As Slime said, I don't think that we "let" them. They just got there
first.

Post by rbowman
How many years
of communist misery did that bring to eastern Europe?

Have you ever wondered what mankind could accomplish, if we stopped
warring with each other.
"I want what you have, and I'll kill you to get it, if I must."
It's actually kind of weird, if you think about it

Particularly when you look at the root causes. Truth, justice, and all
that good stuff seldom enters into it but wave a flag and the fools will
come.

coffee.drinker

2021-10-23 21:31:27 UTC

Post by RabidHussar
On the other hand, it kind of makes sense considering
how much bullshit came through the man.

What some right-wing extremist considers "bullshit", anyway.

Exactly right. As has come up so many times in The Nuremberg trials, the
defense, “I was just following orders” is not a defense. When asked to do
something so obviously wrong, you refuse and his case, he could have easily
refused, said why, and resigned.

--
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RonB

2021-10-19 22:34:37 UTC

May Colin Powell rest in peace. If he hadn't lied for Bush on Iraq and its
"weapons of mass destruction" he knew weren't there, he might have been our
first black president.
When I read that he died of Covid complications despite being "fully
vaccinated," I knew that the MSM would blame his death on cancer. Actually
they're right about that. Colin Powell's comorbidities were the main cause
of his death. But he probably would lived a while longer if Covid hadn't
come along — and Covid "came along" despite his being "fully vaccinated."
So now that the MSM has learned how to blame at least one death involving
Covid as mostly due to comorbidities, when are these hypocrites going to
admit that almost ALL "Covid deaths" involve people who have serious
comorbidities? Almost all were on their way out, Covid gave them the "push"
out the door but they were on their way to the door anyhow. (Note, I said
most.)
Of course, the MSM will never admit that, they're lying hypocrites and this
doesn't fit their satanic communist agenda. Deaths from gunshot and
motorcycle accidents are still called "Covid deaths." But their hypocrisy
doesn't make the truth any less true.

I kind of think a man has right to request that his name be pronounced
correctly. My dad lived in Weiser, Idaho for about 15 years. Pronounced
"wheezer." My great aunt, who was still alive at the time, INSISTED that the
city's "correct" pronunciation was "why-zer" because that's how it would be
pronounced in Germany. Didn't matter how EVERYONE in Weiser pronounced it,
it HAD to be "corrected."

Reminds of when I was a kid and my father worked in an auto parts store.
Some customer came in to buy a part for a Volkswagen. My dad used the word
Volkswagen (pronounced as Americans and Volkswagen ads pronounce it) and the
customer went off the handle and started yelling...

"It's either FOLKSwagon or Volks-VAH-GEN NOT Volks-WAGON!" Gee, sorry,
just going by the Volkswagen ads. Chill, dude. (Actually my dad just sold
him the part — and probably wiped the froth off the counter.)

As far as Colin Powell's accomplishments... I don't know how good of a
president he would have been (probably just another Neo-Con) but he WAS
popular and his lies blew all chance that he would be president.

--
"Name a product that blames its failure on those who don't use it."

"Women are women and men are men, if you neuter a rooster he's a
capon not a hen."

rbowman

2021-10-20 03:02:17 UTC

Post by RonB
I kind of think a man has right to request that his name be pronounced
correctly. My dad lived in Weiser, Idaho for about 15 years. Pronounced
"wheezer." My great aunt, who was still alive at the time, INSISTED that the
city's "correct" pronunciation was "why-zer" because that's how it would be
pronounced in Germany. Didn't matter how EVERYONE in Weiser pronounced it,
it HAD to be "corrected."

Ever been in Weezer? It has two speeds; insane during float season and
dead.

Every area has a few of those. It's amusing to hear what a tourist can
do with Worchester.

RonB

2021-10-20 13:47:58 UTC

Ever been in Weezer? It has two speeds; insane during float season and
dead.
Every area has a few of those. It's amusing to hear what a tourist can
do with Worchester.

Pronounced "wooster," I think. Is Weezer a real place?

Weiser, Idaho has one huge event each year. The Fiddle Fest and, for some
reason, it's combined with motorcycles (kind of like a smaller Black Hills
gathering). The combination of fiddles and motorcycles seems to work out
okay.

About the only other noteworthy thing about Weiser (I liked the town anyhow)
is that Walter Johnson once played for their minor league baseball team.

--
"Name a product that blames its failure on those who don't use it."

"Women are women and men are men, if you
neuter a rooster he's a capon not a hen."

rbowman

2021-10-21 01:41:16 UTC

Post by RonB
Weiser, Idaho has one huge event each year. The Fiddle Fest and, for some
reason, it's combined with motorcycles (kind of like a smaller Black Hills
gathering). The combination of fiddles and motorcycles seems to work out
okay.

I've never been to the fiddle fest. I can't imagine it hosting a big
event. The Colonial motel is nice but it isn't big and iirc the one with
the RV park is even smaller. I suppose you can commute from Boise.

That time in June would be when a lot of people are trying to find the
Snake too.

RonB

2021-10-21 06:08:53 UTC

I've never been to the fiddle fest. I can't imagine it hosting a big
event. The Colonial motel is nice but it isn't big and iirc the one with
the RV park is even smaller. I suppose you can commute from Boise.
That time in June would be when a lot of people are trying to find the
Snake too.

Big crowds by Weiser standards anyhow. They camp in tents or RVs in the
parks, in farmer's fields and on private and public lawns.

I think some folks also rent out rooms or their whole house for the Fiddle
Festival also.

http://www.weisermuseum.com/Fiddle-Week.html

And I'm sure a lot of folks stay in Payette, or Fruitland or Ontario, Oregon
also.

(I don't know if it's as a big of a deal as it was in the 80s and 90s when
my dad lived there.)

--
"Name a product that blames its failure on those who don't use it."

"Women are women and men are men, if you
neuter a rooster he's a capon not a hen."

RabidHussar

2021-10-20 12:07:18 UTC

May Colin Powell rest in peace. If he hadn't lied for Bush on Iraq and its
"weapons of mass destruction" he knew weren't there, he might have been our
first black president.
When I read that he died of Covid complications despite being "fully
vaccinated," I knew that the MSM would blame his death on cancer. Actually
they're right about that. Colin Powell's comorbidities were the main cause
of his death. But he probably would lived a while longer if Covid hadn't
come along — and Covid "came along" despite his being "fully vaccinated."
So now that the MSM has learned how to blame at least one death involving
Covid as mostly due to comorbidities, when are these hypocrites going to
admit that almost ALL "Covid deaths" involve people who have serious
comorbidities? Almost all were on their way out, Covid gave them the "push"
out the door but they were on their way to the door anyhow. (Note, I said
most.)
Of course, the MSM will never admit that, they're lying hypocrites and this
doesn't fit their satanic communist agenda. Deaths from gunshot and
motorcycle accidents are still called "Covid deaths." But their hypocrisy
doesn't make the truth any less true.

A man has a right to request that his name be pronounced a certain way
but Colin is a common English name and in every case, it's pronounced
"Kah-Lin." "Coh-lin" is an anomaly.

Post by RonB
Reminds of when I was a kid and my father worked in an auto parts store.
Some customer came in to buy a part for a Volkswagen. My dad used the word
Volkswagen (pronounced as Americans and Volkswagen ads pronounce it) and the
customer went off the handle and started yelling...
"It's either FOLKSwagon or Volks-VAH-GEN NOT Volks-WAGON!" Gee, sorry,
just going by the Volkswagen ads. Chill, dude. (Actually my dad just sold
him the part — and probably wiped the froth off the counter.)
As far as Colin Powell's accomplishments... I don't know how good of a
president he would have been (probably just another Neo-Con) but he WAS
popular and his lies blew all chance that he would be president.

Why not just call it "The Nazi Vehicle" and be done with it? :)

--
@RabidHussar

RonB

2021-10-20 13:52:06 UTC

May Colin Powell rest in peace. If he hadn't lied for Bush on Iraq and its
"weapons of mass destruction" he knew weren't there, he might have been our
first black president.
When I read that he died of Covid complications despite being "fully
vaccinated," I knew that the MSM would blame his death on cancer. Actually
they're right about that. Colin Powell's comorbidities were the main cause
of his death. But he probably would lived a while longer if Covid hadn't
come along — and Covid "came along" despite his being "fully vaccinated."
So now that the MSM has learned how to blame at least one death involving
Covid as mostly due to comorbidities, when are these hypocrites going to
admit that almost ALL "Covid deaths" involve people who have serious
comorbidities? Almost all were on their way out, Covid gave them the "push"
out the door but they were on their way to the door anyhow. (Note, I said
most.)
Of course, the MSM will never admit that, they're lying hypocrites and this
doesn't fit their satanic communist agenda. Deaths from gunshot and
motorcycle accidents are still called "Covid deaths." But their hypocrisy
doesn't make the truth any less true.

A man has a right to request that his name be pronounced a certain way
but Colin is a common English name and in every case, it's pronounced
"Kah-Lin." "Coh-lin" is an anomaly.

I guess the only Colin I ever knew about was Colin Powell and the first
syllable looks more a "cole" than a "kah."

Why not just call it "The Nazi Vehicle" and be done with it? :)

The guy was probably just having a bad — or maybe he was just a run of the
mill crank.

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"Women are women and men are men, if you
neuter a rooster he's a capon not a hen."

RabidHussar

2021-10-20 15:14:46 UTC

May Colin Powell rest in peace. If he hadn't lied for Bush on Iraq and its
"weapons of mass destruction" he knew weren't there, he might have been our
first black president.
When I read that he died of Covid complications despite being "fully
vaccinated," I knew that the MSM would blame his death on cancer. Actually
they're right about that. Colin Powell's comorbidities were the main cause
of his death. But he probably would lived a while longer if Covid hadn't
come along — and Covid "came along" despite his being "fully vaccinated."
So now that the MSM has learned how to blame at least one death involving
Covid as mostly due to comorbidities, when are these hypocrites going to
admit that almost ALL "Covid deaths" involve people who have serious
comorbidities? Almost all were on their way out, Covid gave them the "push"
out the door but they were on their way to the door anyhow. (Note, I said
most.)
Of course, the MSM will never admit that, they're lying hypocrites and this
doesn't fit their satanic communist agenda. Deaths from gunshot and
motorcycle accidents are still called "Covid deaths." But their hypocrisy
doesn't make the truth any less true.

A man has a right to request that his name be pronounced a certain way
but Colin is a common English name and in every case, it's pronounced
"Kah-Lin." "Coh-lin" is an anomaly.

I guess the only Colin I ever knew about was Colin Powell and the first
syllable looks more a "cole" than a "kah."

Why not just call it "The Nazi Vehicle" and be done with it? :)

The guy was probably just having a bad — or maybe he was just a run of the
mill crank.

Well, if he's a true German which I assume he was, he probably didn't
have much of a fuse to begin with. Let's also not forget that some Nazis
escaped Germany and settled in the United States, with the aid of the
government, under assumed identities.

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rbowman

2021-10-21 02:00:09 UTC

May Colin Powell rest in peace. If he hadn't lied for Bush on Iraq and its
"weapons of mass destruction" he knew weren't there, he might have been our
first black president.
When I read that he died of Covid complications despite being "fully
vaccinated," I knew that the MSM would blame his death on cancer. Actually
they're right about that. Colin Powell's comorbidities were the main cause
of his death. But he probably would lived a while longer if Covid hadn't
come along — and Covid "came along" despite his being "fully vaccinated."
So now that the MSM has learned how to blame at least one death involving
Covid as mostly due to comorbidities, when are these hypocrites going to
admit that almost ALL "Covid deaths" involve people who have serious
comorbidities? Almost all were on their way out, Covid gave them the "push"
out the door but they were on their way to the door anyhow. (Note, I said
most.)
Of course, the MSM will never admit that, they're lying hypocrites and this
doesn't fit their satanic communist agenda. Deaths from gunshot and
motorcycle accidents are still called "Covid deaths." But their hypocrisy
doesn't make the truth any less true.

A man has a right to request that his name be pronounced a certain way
but Colin is a common English name and in every case, it's pronounced
"Kah-Lin." "Coh-lin" is an anomaly.

I guess the only Colin I ever knew about was Colin Powell and the first
syllable looks more a "cole" than a "kah."

Why not just call it "The Nazi Vehicle" and be done with it? :)

The guy was probably just having a bad — or maybe he was just a run of the
mill crank.

I come from a long line of Swabians and we have even shorter fuses than
the average German.

RabidHussar

2021-10-21 12:18:52 UTC

May Colin Powell rest in peace. If he hadn't lied for Bush on Iraq and its
"weapons of mass destruction" he knew weren't there, he might have been our
first black president.
When I read that he died of Covid complications despite being "fully
vaccinated," I knew that the MSM would blame his death on cancer. Actually
they're right about that. Colin Powell's comorbidities were the main cause
of his death. But he probably would lived a while longer if Covid hadn't
come along — and Covid "came along" despite his being "fully vaccinated."
So now that the MSM has learned how to blame at least one death involving
Covid as mostly due to comorbidities, when are these hypocrites going to
admit that almost ALL "Covid deaths" involve people who have serious
comorbidities? Almost all were on their way out, Covid gave them the "push"
out the door but they were on their way to the door anyhow. (Note, I said
most.)
Of course, the MSM will never admit that, they're lying hypocrites and this
doesn't fit their satanic communist agenda. Deaths from gunshot and
motorcycle accidents are still called "Covid deaths." But their hypocrisy
doesn't make the truth any less true.

A man has a right to request that his name be pronounced a certain way
but Colin is a common English name and in every case, it's pronounced
"Kah-Lin." "Coh-lin" is an anomaly.

I guess the only Colin I ever knew about was Colin Powell and the first
syllable looks more a "cole" than a "kah."

Why not just call it "The Nazi Vehicle" and be done with it? :)

The guy was probably just having a bad — or maybe he was just a run of the
mill crank.

I come from a long line of Swabians and we have even shorter fuses than
the average German.

If everyone were as calm as Poles, we'd have no war. :)

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rbowman

2021-10-21 01:52:48 UTC

Post by RonB
I guess the only Colin I ever knew about was Colin Powell and the first
syllable looks more a "cole" than a "kah."

Colin Ward, Colin Chapman, Colin Wilson, ... I don't know how the Brits
pronounce it but I've always heard cole. Two l's like Michael Collins
gets a kah.

RonB

2021-10-21 06:16:09 UTC

Post by RonB
I guess the only Colin I ever knew about was Colin Powell and the first
syllable looks more a "cole" than a "kah."

Colin Ward, Colin Chapman, Colin Wilson, ... I don't know how the Brits
pronounce it but I've always heard cole. Two l's like Michael Collins
gets a kah.

That's kind of what I thought. Just realized I automatically pronounce the
name Kah-lins when I see to l's. (Like the "Collins Encyclopedia.") Kol-in
when I see one l. (Like Colin Powell.)

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rbowman

2021-10-20 14:15:09 UTC

Post by RabidHussar
A man has a right to request that his name be pronounced a certain way
but Colin is a common English name and in every case, it's pronounced
"Kah-Lin." "Coh-lin" is an anomaly.

I don't know how he pronounced it but I never heard Colin Chapman called
kahlin.

Why not just call it "The Nazi Vehicle" and be done with it? :)

Hitler said 'design a vehicle for the common man' and the Volkswagen was
born. Obama said 'build a car' and we got the Chevy Volt.

RabidHussar

2021-10-20 15:26:27 UTC

Post by RabidHussar
A man has a right to request that his name be pronounced a certain way
but Colin is a common English name and in every case, it's pronounced
"Kah-Lin." "Coh-lin" is an anomaly.

I don't know how he pronounced it but I never heard Colin Chapman called
kahlin.

Why not just call it "The Nazi Vehicle" and be done with it? :)

Hitler said 'design a vehicle for the common man' and the Volkswagen was
born. Obama said 'build a car' and we got the Chevy Volt.

Between the two, I have to admit that I'm a fan of the Chevy Volt. I
don't think they're making it anymore but I know that the 8-Bit Guy on
Youtube compared his to his wife's BMW i3 and the Chevrolet ended up
beating it in every possible way.

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rbowman

2021-10-21 02:34:04 UTC

Post by RabidHussar
A man has a right to request that his name be pronounced a certain way
but Colin is a common English name and in every case, it's pronounced
"Kah-Lin." "Coh-lin" is an anomaly.

I don't know how he pronounced it but I never heard Colin Chapman
called kahlin.

Why not just call it "The Nazi Vehicle" and be done with it? :)

Hitler said 'design a vehicle for the common man' and the Volkswagen
was born. Obama said 'build a car' and we got the Chevy Volt.

At least the Volts didn't spontaneously combust as often as the Bolts.
For the price of an i3 I'd go the few extra bucks for a Z4.

RabidHussar

2021-10-21 12:26:56 UTC

Post by RabidHussar
A man has a right to request that his name be pronounced a certain way
but Colin is a common English name and in every case, it's pronounced
"Kah-Lin." "Coh-lin" is an anomaly.

I don't know how he pronounced it but I never heard Colin Chapman
called kahlin.

Why not just call it "The Nazi Vehicle" and be done with it? :)

Hitler said 'design a vehicle for the common man' and the Volkswagen
was born. Obama said 'build a car' and we got the Chevy Volt.

At least the Volts didn't spontaneously combust as often as the Bolts.
For the price of an i3 I'd go the few extra bucks for a Z4.

If I buy an electric car in the next few years (unlikely before 2035, to
be honest), I'll go with whatever Chevrolet is offering. My wife is
against it as she rightfully believes that every American product is
garbage but GM's been doing the electric car for much longer than anyone
else and as such, I think they have the greatest chance of getting
everything right.

I'm sure Ford will be competent enough but we'll see.

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chrisv

2021-10-21 12:39:46 UTC

Post by RabidHussar
GM's been doing the electric car for much longer than anyone
else and as such, I think they have the greatest chance of getting
everything right.

Bad logic. They've been making cars for about a hundred years, and
are no where close to "getting everything right".

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DumFSck, lying shamelessly

rbowman

2021-10-21 14:27:05 UTC

Post by RabidHussar
If I buy an electric car in the next few years (unlikely before 2035, to
be honest), I'll go with whatever Chevrolet is offering. My wife is
against it as she rightfully believes that every American product is
garbage but GM's been doing the electric car for much longer than anyone
else and as such, I think they have the greatest chance of getting
everything right.

By 2035 my idea of an electric vehicle might be a mobility scooter. I
don't see a new car in my future unless I get to the point where I can't
ride bikes and want something to spice up my life.

Yeah I know the Mustang Mach-E is a little quicker off the line than a
Mach 1 but it still looks like a soccer mom ride.

RabidHussar

2021-10-21 15:11:21 UTC

By 2035 my idea of an electric vehicle might be a mobility scooter. I
don't see a new car in my future unless I get to the point where I can't
ride bikes and want something to spice up my life.
Yeah I know the Mustang Mach-E is a little quicker off the line than a
Mach 1 but it still looks like a soccer mom ride.

The only thing I'm worried about with the Ford electric vehicles is
their reliability. The company is excellent at making something look a
lot more solid than it is and I would have a lot of trouble considering
a purchase from them since the chances of one of their cars
spontaneously combusting is very high given their history. Still, I
might be proven wrong and there's a chance the company wants to improve
its terrible reputation.

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Happy to shove that vaccine of yours up your ass

rbowman

2021-10-22 03:37:09 UTC

By 2035 my idea of an electric vehicle might be a mobility scooter. I
don't see a new car in my future unless I get to the point where I
can't ride bikes and want something to spice up my life.
Yeah I know the Mustang Mach-E is a little quicker off the line than a
Mach 1 but it still looks like a soccer mom ride.

I've had an eclectic mix of vehicles. The F150 I bought in '86 is still
in the driveway and runs although I don't use it much. I had a '73
Mustang but its demise was from a head-on one foggy morning. I switched
to Camaros and Firebirds because Ford went to that Mustang II POS in '74.

I had a '62 Falcon Futura that I really liked too. White with a black
vinyl top, it looked like a baby T-Bird. After all the '65 Mustang was
just a restyled Falcon. The Falcon had some Jeep DNA and was a great
winter car.

rbowman

2021-10-22 14:27:09 UTC

By 2035 my idea of an electric vehicle might be a mobility scooter. I
don't see a new car in my future unless I get to the point where I
can't ride bikes and want something to spice up my life.
Yeah I know the Mustang Mach-E is a little quicker off the line than a
Mach 1 but it still looks like a soccer mom ride.

I've had an eclectic mix of vehicles. The F150 I bought in '86 is
still in the driveway and runs although I don't use it much. I had a
'73 Mustang but its demise was from a head-on one foggy morning. I
switched to Camaros and Firebirds because Ford went to that Mustang II
POS in '74.
I had a '62 Falcon Futura that I really liked too. White with a black
vinyl top, it looked like a baby T-Bird. After all the '65 Mustang was
just a restyled Falcon. The Falcon had some Jeep DNA and was a great
winter car.

So you exclusively drive Americans? I've had one and there will be no
second. I'm an Infiniti guy from this point on. I know that their
vehicles aren't the best but they're a perfect compromise of price and
quality for me.

No that was just a few highlights. I've owned an Austin-Healey which was
enjoyable if primitive. I had a Fiat Spyder which was pretty but
completely undependable. After I got tired of driving loaners while they
attempted to fix it I traded it for the Mustang.

When I was married I bought an Audi 100LS. German engineering didn't
impress me but I guess they ironed the bugs out. When we split up my
wife got the Audi and I got the Lincoln and Healey. She traded the Audi
for a Rabbit which was a step up.

Then there was a Geo Metro which was a rebranded Suzuki. I was looking
at a Suzuki hatch about when their car business went down the toilet so
I got my first Yaris. That was totaled after an unpleasant incident with
a snowplow in 2011 and replaced with another one.When I took the 2011 in
for the airbag recall last year I saw a leftover 2018 on the lot. The
price was right so I moved up, knowing that was the end of the line for
the Yaris hatches. Even then the sedans were rebadged Mazda 2's.

Bikes are the same. The current herd is one Harley and two Suzukis. I
had a Yamaha but it was functionally similar to the Harley.

Of all of them the two that i had the most trouble with were the Spyder
and the Audi.

RonB

2021-10-20 21:34:10 UTC

Post by RabidHussar
A man has a right to request that his name be pronounced a certain way
but Colin is a common English name and in every case, it's pronounced
"Kah-Lin." "Coh-lin" is an anomaly.

I don't know how he pronounced it but I never heard Colin Chapman called
kahlin.

Why not just call it "The Nazi Vehicle" and be done with it? :)

Hitler said 'design a vehicle for the common man' and the Volkswagen was
born. Obama said 'build a car' and we got the Chevy Volt.

What's the range of those things? In Montana you probably can't get from one
town to the next. And the cost of using fossil fuels to produce the "green"
energy to charge the things is higher than just using the fossil fuels. More
small-minded, emotionally-driven stupidity.

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"Women are women and men are men, if you
neuter a rooster he's a capon not a hen."

pothead

2021-10-20 21:53:34 UTC

Post by RabidHussar
A man has a right to request that his name be pronounced a certain way
but Colin is a common English name and in every case, it's pronounced
"Kah-Lin." "Coh-lin" is an anomaly.

I don't know how he pronounced it but I never heard Colin Chapman called
kahlin.

Why not just call it "The Nazi Vehicle" and be done with it? :)

Hitler said 'design a vehicle for the common man' and the Volkswagen was
born. Obama said 'build a car' and we got the Chevy Volt.

In NYC where highways like The Cross Bronx Expressway are bumper to
bumper 24x7 the tow companies are going to make a fortune towing dead
EV cars.

I've read a number of articles regarding the ENTIRE impact to the
environment for a typical EV, from start, meaning mining and building
the batteries, to keeping them charged to ultimately disposing /
recycling of the batteries and with the current technology the
numbers for EV simply to not add up.

There is more to pollution than just a fossil fuel powered motor
spewing gases.

This will certainly improve as technology advances but for now, EV is
problematic.

Here is one such article.

https://provscons.com/do-electric-cars-pollute-more/

rbowman

2021-10-21 02:53:51 UTC

Post by pothead
I've read a number of articles regarding the ENTIRE impact to the
environment for a typical EV, from start, meaning mining and building
the batteries, to keeping them charged to ultimately disposing /
recycling of the batteries and with the current technology the
numbers for EV simply to not add up.

Wait until the lithium wars start.

https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/international-issues/bidens-clean-energy-program-loses-out-on-afghan-lithium/

Sleepy Joe already lost the first one and didn't even know it.

chrisv

2021-10-21 13:02:43 UTC

Post by rbowman
Wait until the lithium wars start.
https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/international-issues/bidens-clean-energy-program-loses-out-on-afghan-lithium/
Sleepy Joe already lost the first one and didn't even know it.

China is the primary source of many strategic metals. They have tons
of leverage over us.

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rbowman

2021-10-22 03:43:39 UTC

China is the primary source of many strategic metals. They have tons
of leverage over us.

If you dig into that they are the primary source of *cheap* (relatively)
strategic metals. When your strategy is making as much money as possible
you tend to find people with a longer view are running your life.

rbowman

2021-10-21 02:50:37 UTC

Post by RabidHussar
A man has a right to request that his name be pronounced a certain way
but Colin is a common English name and in every case, it's pronounced
"Kah-Lin." "Coh-lin" is an anomaly.

I don't know how he pronounced it but I never heard Colin Chapman called
kahlin.

Why not just call it "The Nazi Vehicle" and be done with it? :)

Hitler said 'design a vehicle for the common man' and the Volkswagen was
born. Obama said 'build a car' and we got the Chevy Volt.

The Volt has an IC engine to keep the battery charged. For straight
battery power I think it's good for 60 miles (at 30 miles an hour.) That
would get me down to Hamilton if nobody ran me off the road.

I saw a video where a female talking head was proclaiming the virtues of
an electric car. A guy started walking her back to where the energy came
from. She obviously thought it was magically charged by the electric
fairies but he was patient. The ultimate answer was the coal powered
generating plant of the local utility.

I'll stick with what I have. The Yaris usually gets around 35 mpg with a
cruising range of 350 miles before I have to find a gas station.

Stefen Petruzzellis - frelwizer

2021-10-21 05:00:39 UTC

Post by RabidHussar
A man has a right to request that his name be pronounced a certain way
but Colin is a common English name and in every case, it's pronounced
"Kah-Lin." "Coh-lin" is an anomaly.

I don't know how he pronounced it but I never heard Colin Chapman called
kahlin.

Why not just call it "The Nazi Vehicle" and be done with it? :)

Hitler said 'design a vehicle for the common man' and the Volkswagen was
born. Obama said 'build a car' and we got the Chevy Volt.

The Volt has an IC engine to keep the battery charged. For straight
battery power I think it's good for 60 miles (at 30 miles an hour.) That
would get me down to Hamilton if nobody ran me off the road.
I saw a video where a female talking head was proclaiming the virtues of
an electric car. A guy started walking her back to where the energy came
from. She obviously thought it was magically charged by the electric
fairies but he was patient. The ultimate answer was the coal powered
generating plant of the local utility.
I'll stick with what I have. The Yaris usually gets around 35 mpg with a
cruising range of 350 miles before I have to find a gas station.

Commander Kinsey wants to hurt us: If Commander Kinsey can't get attention
here then no one will. Rambling cretin. Like most everyone else in the
world, Commander Kinsey relies on false news to concoct positions on politics.
Consequently, he only knows and agrees to the media stories which also
are the ones which characterize climate change in a dishonestly hopeful
and respectable view.

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RonB

2021-10-21 05:56:11 UTC

Post by RabidHussar
A man has a right to request that his name be pronounced a certain way
but Colin is a common English name and in every case, it's pronounced
"Kah-Lin." "Coh-lin" is an anomaly.

I don't know how he pronounced it but I never heard Colin Chapman called
kahlin.

Why not just call it "The Nazi Vehicle" and be done with it? :)

Hitler said 'design a vehicle for the common man' and the Volkswagen was
born. Obama said 'build a car' and we got the Chevy Volt.

The Volt has an IC engine to keep the battery charged. For straight
battery power I think it's good for 60 miles (at 30 miles an hour.) That
would get me down to Hamilton if nobody ran me off the road.
I saw a video where a female talking head was proclaiming the virtues of
an electric car. A guy started walking her back to where the energy came
from. She obviously thought it was magically charged by the electric
fairies but he was patient. The ultimate answer was the coal powered
generating plant of the local utility.
I'll stick with what I have. The Yaris usually gets around 35 mpg with a
cruising range of 350 miles before I have to find a gas station.

Michael Moore (of all people) has presented a movie "Planet of the Humans"
which shows how bogus the "green" industry really is — at the least the
first 40% or so of it does. At that point the movie appears to veer off into
an overpopulation screed and that's where I quit watching. That "problem"
(so-called) is already solved. Not a single nation in the world is
producing enough children to reach replacement level (2.1 children per
couple). Most nations are much lower than that. So, so much for that BS.

The movie is on YouTube...

I think it has that same clip that rbowman mentions, a woman presenting the
Volt and the reporter asking how it was charged. (Coal, of course.)

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"Women are women and men are men, if you
neuter a rooster he's a capon not a hen."

rbowman

2021-10-20 02:40:49 UTC

May Colin Powell rest in peace. If he hadn't lied for Bush on Iraq and its
"weapons of mass destruction" he knew weren't there, he might have been our
first black president.
When I read that he died of Covid complications despite being "fully
vaccinated," I knew that the MSM would blame his death on cancer. Actually
they're right about that. Colin Powell's comorbidities were the main cause
of his death. But he probably would lived a while longer if Covid hadn't
come along — and Covid "came along" despite his being "fully vaccinated."
So now that the MSM has learned how to blame at least one death involving
Covid as mostly due to comorbidities, when are these hypocrites going to
admit that almost ALL "Covid deaths" involve people who have serious
comorbidities? Almost all were on their way out, Covid gave them the "push"
out the door but they were on their way to the door anyhow. (Note, I said
most.)
Of course, the MSM will never admit that, they're lying hypocrites and this
doesn't fit their satanic communist agenda. Deaths from gunshot and
motorcycle accidents are still called "Covid deaths." But their hypocrisy
doesn't make the truth any less true.

I always wondered if he'd been duped by Shrub's neocon coterie or if he
knowingly lied.

Joel

2021-10-20 03:13:10 UTC

I always wondered if he'd [Colin Powell had] been duped by Shrub's neocon coterie or if he
knowingly lied.

French intelligence thought Iraq had WMDs. But France's government
liked the Iraqi oil they were getting, and Bush had the nerve to try
to stir the pot with crazy ideas about liberating the people of Iraq
from a dictator.

The fact is this: WMDs weren't really what the Iraq war was about,
resolving a situation that'd been ongoing for 12 years was. No war is
perfect, but on the whole, this was a war that had to be fought.

--
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rbowman

2021-10-20 13:59:34 UTC

I always wondered if he'd [Colin Powell had] been duped by Shrub's neocon coterie or if he
knowingly lied.

French intelligence thought Iraq had WMDs. But France's government
liked the Iraqi oil they were getting, and Bush had the nerve to try
to stir the pot with crazy ideas about liberating the people of Iraq
from a dictator.
The fact is this: WMDs weren't really what the Iraq war was about,
resolving a situation that'd been ongoing for 12 years was. No war is
perfect, but on the whole, this was a war that had to be fought.

French intelligence is an oxymoron. The number of wars that had to be
fought is a very short list and that wasn't one of them. Shrub was
trying to show Pop how it was done.

Pop''s war was another crock of globalist shit.

Joel

2021-10-20 15:02:48 UTC

I always wondered if he'd [Colin Powell had] been duped by Shrub's neocon coterie or if he
knowingly lied.

French intelligence thought Iraq had WMDs. But France's government
liked the Iraqi oil they were getting, and Bush had the nerve to try
to stir the pot with crazy ideas about liberating the people of Iraq
from a dictator.
The fact is this: WMDs weren't really what the Iraq war was about,
resolving a situation that'd been ongoing for 12 years was. No war is
perfect, but on the whole, this was a war that had to be fought.

French intelligence is an oxymoron.

You're entitled to that opinion, but the point is that France was the
main country trying to stop Bush in the U.N., necessitating the
"coalition of the willing" that he put together. And yet France's own
intelligence was misled by Saddam's games just like ours. Secretary
Powell, therefore, was merely doing his job. He at least regretted
the error, even though it was not his fault!

Post by rbowman
The number of wars that had to be
fought is a very short list and that wasn't one of them. Shrub was
trying to show Pop how it was done.

So what would have happened to Iraq? The anti-war people never had an
answer for that.

Post by rbowman
Pop''s war was another crock of globalist shit.

The 1991 Gulf War?! You think Saddam should have been able to take
over the Middle East unchecked?

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rbowman

2021-10-21 02:08:04 UTC

I always wondered if he'd [Colin Powell had] been duped by Shrub's neocon coterie or if he
knowingly lied.

French intelligence thought Iraq had WMDs. But France's government
liked the Iraqi oil they were getting, and Bush had the nerve to try
to stir the pot with crazy ideas about liberating the people of Iraq
from a dictator.
The fact is this: WMDs weren't really what the Iraq war was about,
resolving a situation that'd been ongoing for 12 years was. No war is
perfect, but on the whole, this was a war that had to be fought.

French intelligence is an oxymoron.

Post by rbowman
The number of wars that had to be
fought is a very short list and that wasn't one of them. Shrub was
trying to show Pop how it was done.

So what would have happened to Iraq? The anti-war people never had an
answer for that.

The answer is 'Who gives a flying fuck?'

Post by rbowman
Pop''s war was another crock of globalist shit.

The 1991 Gulf War?! You think Saddam should have been able to take
over the Middle East unchecked?

Bayoneting babies along the way... When Toynbee and the rest of the
fiction writers at Wellington House dreamed that one up I doubt they
thought it was be so timeless.

Of course the Kuwaitis who were slant drilling into Iraq's oil fields
were blameless.

Bolton, the perennial hawk, had his fingerprints all over that one. nce
again, who gives a fuck? The smart move is to stay out of the middle
east, let them sort it out among themselves, and do business with
whoever is left standing.

Joel

2021-10-21 14:55:08 UTC

Post by rbowman
The number of wars that had to be
fought is a very short list and that wasn't one of them. Shrub was
trying to show Pop how it was done.

So what would have happened to Iraq? The anti-war people never had an
answer for that.

The answer is 'Who gives a flying fuck?'

So, we sanction them and control their airspace for over a decade, and
there's no real end in sight to Saddam continuing to abuse them, and
we are supposed to act like we have no responsibility to them?

Post by rbowman
Pop''s war was another crock of globalist shit.

The 1991 Gulf War?! You think Saddam should have been able to take
over the Middle East unchecked?

Do you have any cites for those statements (honestly asking, I'd like
to look into it)?

Post by rbowman
Bolton, the perennial hawk, had his fingerprints all over that one. nce
again, who gives a fuck? The smart move is to stay out of the middle
east, let them sort it out among themselves, and do business with
whoever is left standing.

I certainly think we've shown an inability to "nation build". I would
hope that Biden and future presidents think really hard before
engaging in such a war.

--
Joel Crump

rbowman

2021-10-22 03:15:32 UTC

Post by rbowman
The number of wars that had to be
fought is a very short list and that wasn't one of them. Shrub was
trying to show Pop how it was done.

So what would have happened to Iraq? The anti-war people never had an
answer for that.

The answer is 'Who gives a flying fuck?'

You use 'we' rather promiscuously. The US should not be involved in the
middle East in any way shape or form. When Iraq was attacking Iran
Hussein was more or less a 'good guy'. If he used chemical weapons they
likely had 'Made in USA' stencils.

Post by rbowman
Pop''s war was another crock of globalist shit.

The 1991 Gulf War?! You think Saddam should have been able to take
over the Middle East unchecked?

Do you have any cites for those statements (honestly asking, I'd like
to look into it)?

Which part?

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/12/23/opinion/IHT-its-time-to-think-straight-about-saddam.html

After thirty years the truth isn't going to suddenly surface. The media
has problems with truth after thirty days. At the time there was a
strong suspicion that Kuwait, which was exceeding its production quota,
was slant drilling. There was also the suspicion that Hussein had been
given a green light.

It wasn't a popular idea. Congress was lukewarm and I remember GHWB
saing in his smarmy voice that he was going in, authorization or not.
Congress caved.

Bush got his payback by the recession triggered by the oil price
increase. 'It's the economy, stupid'. Slick had a way with words that
might come back to haunt Biden.

As for Wellington House:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellington_House

They had quite a cast of well known authors churning out propaganda.
Today they would all be on Facebook.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_on_Alleged_German_Outrages

"However, the claim by revisionists that some of the testimony is not
credible is entirely legitimate. The Committee included in Appendix A
depositions it should have been much more skeptical of, particularly
from Belgian soldiers. Critics repeatedly cited as the most egregious
accusations a claim by a Belgian soldier that he had witnessed a mass
rape in central Liège and the claim of two civilians in Mechelen that
they saw a German soldier spear a child with his bayonet as he marched
past."

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/brycere.asp

That's the tl;dr text of'the Bryce report. The dog ate the depositions
so historians get to argue whether it was made up out of the whole cloth
by the novelists on the staff.

What can't be argued was the use of propaganda. Reportedly Goebbels was
very impressed and jumped onto the new radio and film technologies to
spread the word to the masses that didn't read newspapers.

Color me cynical, but every time Oceania wants to demonize Eastasia I
swear they drag out a tattered copy of the Bryce report for juicy
propaganda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

Governments lie. Get used to it. When it doubt assume they're either
lying or completely clueless and making it up as they go along.

Post by Joel
I certainly think we've shown an inability to "nation build". I would
hope that Biden and future presidents think really hard before
engaging in such a war.

With the world seeing how well democracy works I doubt they want to
play. The US has never had the stones to be an imperial nation. I'm not
saying that's a good thing but if you're going to do it, do it right.
The hell with their hearts and minds. Johnson, in a rare moment of
candor, reportedly said 'IF you have them by the balls their hearts and
minds will follow.'

Even worse than nation building is nation destroying like Clinton & Crew
did for Libya. No, Gadafi was not a nice man but he did heep a lid on
the factions trying to kill each other.

RonB

2021-10-22 13:48:56 UTC

Post by rbowman
The number of wars that had to be
fought is a very short list and that wasn't one of them. Shrub was
trying to show Pop how it was done.

So what would have happened to Iraq? The anti-war people never had an
answer for that.

The answer is 'Who gives a flying fuck?'

We also supplied Iraq with logistical support and military intelligence. And
still the Iranians beat them back (basically with "sticks and stones"). What
a lot of Americans don't realize about Iran is that it is NOT Arabic, it's
Persian. When you attack Persians they unite. When you attack Arabs they
turn on each other.

Post by rbowman
Pop''s war was another crock of globalist shit.

The 1991 Gulf War?! You think Saddam should have been able to take
over the Middle East unchecked?

Do you have any cites for those statements (honestly asking, I'd like
to look into it)?

Which part?
https://www.nytimes.com/1997/12/23/opinion/IHT-its-time-to-think-straight-about-saddam.html
After thirty years the truth isn't going to suddenly surface. The media
has problems with truth after thirty days. At the time there was a
strong suspicion that Kuwait, which was exceeding its production quota,
was slant drilling. There was also the suspicion that Hussein had been
given a green light.
It wasn't a popular idea. Congress was lukewarm and I remember GHWB
saing in his smarmy voice that he was going in, authorization or not.
Congress caved.
Bush got his payback by the recession triggered by the oil price
increase. 'It's the economy, stupid'. Slick had a way with words that
might come back to haunt Biden.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellington_House
They had quite a cast of well known authors churning out propaganda.
Today they would all be on Facebook.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_on_Alleged_German_Outrages
"However, the claim by revisionists that some of the testimony is not
credible is entirely legitimate. The Committee included in Appendix A
depositions it should have been much more skeptical of, particularly
from Belgian soldiers. Critics repeatedly cited as the most egregious
accusations a claim by a Belgian soldier that he had witnessed a mass
rape in central Liège and the claim of two civilians in Mechelen that
they saw a German soldier spear a child with his bayonet as he marched
past."
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/brycere.asp
That's the tl;dr text of'the Bryce report. The dog ate the depositions
so historians get to argue whether it was made up out of the whole cloth
by the novelists on the staff.
What can't be argued was the use of propaganda. Reportedly Goebbels was
very impressed and jumped onto the new radio and film technologies to
spread the word to the masses that didn't read newspapers.
Color me cynical, but every time Oceania wants to demonize Eastasia I
swear they drag out a tattered copy of the Bryce report for juicy
propaganda.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony
Governments lie. Get used to it. When it doubt assume they're either
lying or completely clueless and making it up as they go along.

Post by Joel
I certainly think we've shown an inability to "nation build". I would
hope that Biden and future presidents think really hard before
engaging in such a war.

With the world seeing how well democracy works I doubt they want to
play. The US has never had the stones to be an imperial nation. I'm not
saying that's a good thing but if you're going to do it, do it right.
The hell with their hearts and minds. Johnson, in a rare moment of
candor, reportedly said 'IF you have them by the balls their hearts and
minds will follow.'
Even worse than nation building is nation destroying like Clinton & Crew
did for Libya. No, Gadafi was not a nice man but he did heep a lid on
the factions trying to kill each other.

--
"Name a product that blames its failure on those who don't use it."

"Women are women and men are men, if you
neuter a rooster he's a capon not a hen."

rbowman

2021-10-23 00:57:26 UTC