The Galbraith Exhibit Suggests 12:43 Parkland Arrival Time For JFK

[19efppp]

The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!

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I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Post by 19efppp
The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.

Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.

Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?

Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?

In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.

Price's testimony of how he compiled the reports/accounts is here:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

[19efppp]

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by 19efppp
The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.

But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
the "emergency room." Exactly 12:43. It might be helpful to know who wrote
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.

Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.

Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?

Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?

You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.

12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.

My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Post by 19efppp

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by 19efppp
The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.

I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.

Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.

So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.

I think that takes more than one minute.

Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

[19efppp]

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by 19efppp

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by 19efppp
The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

[Mark]

Post by 19efppp

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by 19efppp

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by 19efppp
The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.

The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

[19efppp]

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Post by Steve M. Galbraith

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Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by 19efppp
The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Yes. If the ride took longer than it should have, then there must be a
reason. Why did the ride take longer than it should have?

[Mark]

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Yes. If the ride took longer than it should have, then there must be a
reason. Why did the ride take longer than it should have?

Well, Shazbot!

I was asking you. Mark

[Steve M. Galbraith]

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Post by Steve M. Galbraith

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Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by 19efppp
The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.

As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.

The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.

We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

[19efppp]

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by Mark

Post by 19efppp

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by 19efppp

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by 19efppp
The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Post by 19efppp

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by Mark

Post by 19efppp

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by 19efppp

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by 19efppp
The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

It couldn't be both? That is: a hurried event AND difficulty/delay in
getting JFK to the ER?

The accounts by people who were there support this: they rushed to
Parkland and once there, in a confused and hectic environment, things
slowed down. Agents went in to get stretchers, then they came out with
them, Connally had to be removed first to get to JFK, then Jackie refused
to let them get to JFK, they placed a coat over his head, they got him
out, then they rushed in.

The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts where there
is no evidence of any delay. In fact, just the opposite; they were worried
about the limo running them over. If a delay took place it was AFTER they
arrived at the entrance at Parkland.

Your entire theory is based on Clark's observation as to a 12:43 arrival
at the ER. But he testified that he got to the ER about 12:30 and JFK was
already being attended to. Which time to believe?

Your response was to say Clark heard the 12:43 "from somebody." And then
you use that "somebody" to give a definitive time on arrival. Even though
that "somebody" is unknown.

You're using an unknown witness who gave an account to Clark and then
using Clark's conflicting time as the basis for the delay.

Boy, you're never going to figure this assassination out using that type
of thinking.

[19efppp]

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Post by 19efppp

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by Mark

Post by 19efppp

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by 19efppp

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by 19efppp
The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

It couldn't be both? That is: a hurried event AND difficulty/delay in
getting JFK to the ER?
The accounts by people who were there support this: they rushed to
Parkland and once there, in a confused and hectic environment, things
slowed down. Agents went in to get stretchers, then they came out with
them, Connally had to be removed first to get to JFK, then Jackie refused
to let them get to JFK, they placed a coat over his head, they got him
out, then they rushed in.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts where there
is no evidence of any delay. In fact, just the opposite; they were worried
about the limo running them over. If a delay took place it was AFTER they
arrived at the entrance at Parkland.
Your entire theory is based on Clark's observation as to a 12:43 arrival
at the ER. But he testified that he got to the ER about 12:30 and JFK was
already being attended to. Which time to believe?
Your response was to say Clark heard the 12:43 "from somebody." And then
you use that "somebody" to give a definitive time on arrival. Even though
that "somebody" is unknown.
You're using an unknown witness who gave an account to Clark and then
using Clark's conflicting time as the basis for the delay.
Boy, you're never going to figure this assassination out using that type
of thinking.

Lone Nutters will make up any excuse to defend their wacky theory. "Things
were so rushed, that it took them 5 minutes to get JFK from the car to the
ER." Yeah, sure, kid.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

It couldn't be both? That is: a hurried event AND difficulty/delay in
getting JFK to the ER?
The accounts by people who were there support this: they rushed to
Parkland and once there, in a confused and hectic environment, things
slowed down. Agents went in to get stretchers, then they came out with
them, Connally had to be removed first to get to JFK, then Jackie refused
to let them get to JFK, they placed a coat over his head, they got him
out, then they rushed in.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts where there
is no evidence of any delay. In fact, just the opposite; they were worried
about the limo running them over. If a delay took place it was AFTER they
arrived at the entrance at Parkland.
Your entire theory is based on Clark's observation as to a 12:43 arrival
at the ER. But he testified that he got to the ER about 12:30 and JFK was
already being attended to. Which time to believe?
Your response was to say Clark heard the 12:43 "from somebody." And then
you use that "somebody" to give a definitive time on arrival. Even though
that "somebody" is unknown.
You're using an unknown witness who gave an account to Clark and then
using Clark's conflicting time as the basis for the delay.
Boy, you're never going to figure this assassination out using that type
of thinking.

Lone Nutters will make up any excuse to defend their wacky theory. "Things
were so rushed, that it took them 5 minutes to get JFK from the car to the
ER." Yeah, sure, kid.

Who said "5 minutes"?

The accounts of the people who were there say agents had to rush in to get
the stretchers, then come out; then they had to get Connally out, then
they had to get to JFK, then they had to convince Jackie to let him go,
then they had to put him on the stretcher, then they had to bring him in.
You think all of that happened in less than a minute. I disagree.

The ER Registration Form - not a hearsay account by someone who got that
from an unknown person - reads 12:38 as the time JFK was admitted. If it
took them 3-4 minutes to get to Parkland and another 3-4 to get him to ER
that equals 12:38. We are dealing with rough timelines.

You cite as your definitive evidence the 12:43 time given by Clark. But
you admit that it was probably given to Clark by another unnamed person.
So, your time is based on hearsay from someone we don't even know. How
reliable was that person? We don't know since we don't know who it was. Or
if there "was" a person; perhaps Clark read it somewhere.

If you think that's solid, definitive evidence of his arrival then that is
simply not the way I look at evidence.

Now go and tell us how Greer shot JFK and how Sandy Hook was a false flag
operation done by the government. I assume you probably believe Greer shot
those kids too, right?

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

It couldn't be both? That is: a hurried event AND difficulty/delay in
getting JFK to the ER?
The accounts by people who were there support this: they rushed to
Parkland and once there, in a confused and hectic environment, things
slowed down. Agents went in to get stretchers, then they came out with
them, Connally had to be removed first to get to JFK, then Jackie refused
to let them get to JFK, they placed a coat over his head, they got him
out, then they rushed in.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts where there
is no evidence of any delay. In fact, just the opposite; they were worried
about the limo running them over. If a delay took place it was AFTER they
arrived at the entrance at Parkland.
Your entire theory is based on Clark's observation as to a 12:43 arrival
at the ER. But he testified that he got to the ER about 12:30 and JFK was
already being attended to. Which time to believe?
Your response was to say Clark heard the 12:43 "from somebody." And then
you use that "somebody" to give a definitive time on arrival. Even though
that "somebody" is unknown.
You're using an unknown witness who gave an account to Clark and then
using Clark's conflicting time as the basis for the delay.
Boy, you're never going to figure this assassination out using that type
of thinking.

Lone Nutters will make up any excuse to defend their wacky theory. "Things
were so rushed, that it took them 5 minutes to get JFK from the car to the
ER." Yeah, sure, kid.

Who said "5 minutes"?
The accounts of the people who were there say agents had to rush in to get
the stretchers, then come out; then they had to get Connally out, then
they had to get to JFK, then they had to convince Jackie to let him go,
then they had to put him on the stretcher, then they had to bring him in.
You think all of that happened in less than a minute. I disagree.
The ER Registration Form - not a hearsay account by someone who got that
from an unknown person - reads 12:38 as the time JFK was admitted. If it
took them 3-4 minutes to get to Parkland and another 3-4 to get him to ER
that equals 12:38. We are dealing with rough timelines.
You cite as your definitive evidence the 12:43 time given by Clark. But
you admit that it was probably given to Clark by another unnamed person.
So, your time is based on hearsay from someone we don't even know. How
reliable was that person? We don't know since we don't know who it was. Or
if there "was" a person; perhaps Clark read it somewhere.
If you think that's solid, definitive evidence of his arrival then that is
simply not the way I look at evidence.
Now go and tell us how Greer shot JFK and how Sandy Hook was a false flag
operation done by the government. I assume you probably believe Greer shot
those kids too, right?

And what is the name of the person who wrote "12:38" in the patient
registration?

3.4 miles, boy.

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

It couldn't be both? That is: a hurried event AND difficulty/delay in
getting JFK to the ER?
The accounts by people who were there support this: they rushed to
Parkland and once there, in a confused and hectic environment, things
slowed down. Agents went in to get stretchers, then they came out with
them, Connally had to be removed first to get to JFK, then Jackie refused
to let them get to JFK, they placed a coat over his head, they got him
out, then they rushed in.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts where there
is no evidence of any delay. In fact, just the opposite; they were worried
about the limo running them over. If a delay took place it was AFTER they
arrived at the entrance at Parkland.
Your entire theory is based on Clark's observation as to a 12:43 arrival
at the ER. But he testified that he got to the ER about 12:30 and JFK was
already being attended to. Which time to believe?
Your response was to say Clark heard the 12:43 "from somebody." And then
you use that "somebody" to give a definitive time on arrival. Even though
that "somebody" is unknown.
You're using an unknown witness who gave an account to Clark and then
using Clark's conflicting time as the basis for the delay.
Boy, you're never going to figure this assassination out using that type
of thinking.

Lone Nutters will make up any excuse to defend their wacky theory. "Things
were so rushed, that it took them 5 minutes to get JFK from the car to the
ER." Yeah, sure, kid.

Who said "5 minutes"?
The accounts of the people who were there say agents had to rush in to get
the stretchers, then come out; then they had to get Connally out, then
they had to get to JFK, then they had to convince Jackie to let him go,
then they had to put him on the stretcher, then they had to bring him in.
You think all of that happened in less than a minute. I disagree.
The ER Registration Form - not a hearsay account by someone who got that
from an unknown person - reads 12:38 as the time JFK was admitted. If it
took them 3-4 minutes to get to Parkland and another 3-4 to get him to ER
that equals 12:38. We are dealing with rough timelines.
You cite as your definitive evidence the 12:43 time given by Clark. But
you admit that it was probably given to Clark by another unnamed person.
So, your time is based on hearsay from someone we don't even know. How
reliable was that person? We don't know since we don't know who it was. Or
if there "was" a person; perhaps Clark read it somewhere.
If you think that's solid, definitive evidence of his arrival then that is
simply not the way I look at evidence.
Now go and tell us how Greer shot JFK and how Sandy Hook was a false flag
operation done by the government. I assume you probably believe Greer shot
those kids too, right?

Curry broadcast this at 12:34 (DPD time): "Keep everything out of this
emergency entrance."

I assume by "this" he meant the one he was at: Parkland.

That's the first indicator on the tapes of when they arrived at Parkland.

So, that's approximately a four minute ride/journey from Dealey to
Parkland.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

It couldn't be both? That is: a hurried event AND difficulty/delay in
getting JFK to the ER?
The accounts by people who were there support this: they rushed to
Parkland and once there, in a confused and hectic environment, things
slowed down. Agents went in to get stretchers, then they came out with
them, Connally had to be removed first to get to JFK, then Jackie refused
to let them get to JFK, they placed a coat over his head, they got him
out, then they rushed in.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts where there
is no evidence of any delay. In fact, just the opposite; they were worried
about the limo running them over. If a delay took place it was AFTER they
arrived at the entrance at Parkland.
Your entire theory is based on Clark's observation as to a 12:43 arrival
at the ER. But he testified that he got to the ER about 12:30 and JFK was
already being attended to. Which time to believe?
Your response was to say Clark heard the 12:43 "from somebody." And then
you use that "somebody" to give a definitive time on arrival. Even though
that "somebody" is unknown.
You're using an unknown witness who gave an account to Clark and then
using Clark's conflicting time as the basis for the delay.
Boy, you're never going to figure this assassination out using that type
of thinking.

Lone Nutters will make up any excuse to defend their wacky theory. "Things
were so rushed, that it took them 5 minutes to get JFK from the car to the
ER." Yeah, sure, kid.

Who said "5 minutes"?
The accounts of the people who were there say agents had to rush in to get
the stretchers, then come out; then they had to get Connally out, then
they had to get to JFK, then they had to convince Jackie to let him go,
then they had to put him on the stretcher, then they had to bring him in.
You think all of that happened in less than a minute. I disagree.
The ER Registration Form - not a hearsay account by someone who got that
from an unknown person - reads 12:38 as the time JFK was admitted. If it
took them 3-4 minutes to get to Parkland and another 3-4 to get him to ER
that equals 12:38. We are dealing with rough timelines.
You cite as your definitive evidence the 12:43 time given by Clark. But
you admit that it was probably given to Clark by another unnamed person.
So, your time is based on hearsay from someone we don't even know. How
reliable was that person? We don't know since we don't know who it was. Or
if there "was" a person; perhaps Clark read it somewhere.
If you think that's solid, definitive evidence of his arrival then that is
simply not the way I look at evidence.
Now go and tell us how Greer shot JFK and how Sandy Hook was a false flag
operation done by the government. I assume you probably believe Greer shot
those kids too, right?

Curry broadcast this at 12:34 (DPD time): "Keep everything out of this
emergency entrance."
I assume by "this" he meant the one he was at: Parkland.
That's the first indicator on the tapes of when they arrived at Parkland.
So, that's approximately a four minute ride/journey from Dealey to
Parkland.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/

You "assume" anything that supports your wacky theory.

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

It couldn't be both? That is: a hurried event AND difficulty/delay in
getting JFK to the ER?
The accounts by people who were there support this: they rushed to
Parkland and once there, in a confused and hectic environment, things
slowed down. Agents went in to get stretchers, then they came out with
them, Connally had to be removed first to get to JFK, then Jackie refused
to let them get to JFK, they placed a coat over his head, they got him
out, then they rushed in.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts where there
is no evidence of any delay. In fact, just the opposite; they were worried
about the limo running them over. If a delay took place it was AFTER they
arrived at the entrance at Parkland.
Your entire theory is based on Clark's observation as to a 12:43 arrival
at the ER. But he testified that he got to the ER about 12:30 and JFK was
already being attended to. Which time to believe?
Your response was to say Clark heard the 12:43 "from somebody." And then
you use that "somebody" to give a definitive time on arrival. Even though
that "somebody" is unknown.
You're using an unknown witness who gave an account to Clark and then
using Clark's conflicting time as the basis for the delay.
Boy, you're never going to figure this assassination out using that type
of thinking.

Lone Nutters will make up any excuse to defend their wacky theory. "Things
were so rushed, that it took them 5 minutes to get JFK from the car to the
ER." Yeah, sure, kid.

Who said "5 minutes"?
The accounts of the people who were there say agents had to rush in to get
the stretchers, then come out; then they had to get Connally out, then
they had to get to JFK, then they had to convince Jackie to let him go,
then they had to put him on the stretcher, then they had to bring him in.
You think all of that happened in less than a minute. I disagree.
The ER Registration Form - not a hearsay account by someone who got that
from an unknown person - reads 12:38 as the time JFK was admitted. If it
took them 3-4 minutes to get to Parkland and another 3-4 to get him to ER
that equals 12:38. We are dealing with rough timelines.
You cite as your definitive evidence the 12:43 time given by Clark. But
you admit that it was probably given to Clark by another unnamed person.
So, your time is based on hearsay from someone we don't even know. How
reliable was that person? We don't know since we don't know who it was. Or
if there "was" a person; perhaps Clark read it somewhere.
If you think that's solid, definitive evidence of his arrival then that is
simply not the way I look at evidence.
Now go and tell us how Greer shot JFK and how Sandy Hook was a false flag
operation done by the government. I assume you probably believe Greer shot
those kids too, right?

Curry broadcast this at 12:34 (DPD time): "Keep everything out of this
emergency entrance."
I assume by "this" he meant the one he was at: Parkland.
That's the first indicator on the tapes of when they arrived at Parkland.
So, that's approximately a four minute ride/journey from Dealey to
Parkland.

Close enough for a WC defender. 12:34 tape time might be 12:35 REAL TIME.

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

It couldn't be both? That is: a hurried event AND difficulty/delay in
getting JFK to the ER?
The accounts by people who were there support this: they rushed to
Parkland and once there, in a confused and hectic environment, things
slowed down. Agents went in to get stretchers, then they came out with
them, Connally had to be removed first to get to JFK, then Jackie refused
to let them get to JFK, they placed a coat over his head, they got him
out, then they rushed in.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts where there
is no evidence of any delay. In fact, just the opposite; they were worried
about the limo running them over. If a delay took place it was AFTER they
arrived at the entrance at Parkland.
Your entire theory is based on Clark's observation as to a 12:43 arrival
at the ER. But he testified that he got to the ER about 12:30 and JFK was
already being attended to. Which time to believe?
Your response was to say Clark heard the 12:43 "from somebody." And then
you use that "somebody" to give a definitive time on arrival. Even though
that "somebody" is unknown.
You're using an unknown witness who gave an account to Clark and then
using Clark's conflicting time as the basis for the delay.
Boy, you're never going to figure this assassination out using that type
of thinking.

Lone Nutters will make up any excuse to defend their wacky theory. "Things
were so rushed, that it took them 5 minutes to get JFK from the car to the
ER." Yeah, sure, kid.

Who said "5 minutes"?
The accounts of the people who were there say agents had to rush in to get
the stretchers, then come out; then they had to get Connally out, then
they had to get to JFK, then they had to convince Jackie to let him go,
then they had to put him on the stretcher, then they had to bring him in.
You think all of that happened in less than a minute. I disagree.
The ER Registration Form - not a hearsay account by someone who got that
from an unknown person - reads 12:38 as the time JFK was admitted. If it
took them 3-4 minutes to get to Parkland and another 3-4 to get him to ER
that equals 12:38. We are dealing with rough timelines.
You cite as your definitive evidence the 12:43 time given by Clark. But
you admit that it was probably given to Clark by another unnamed person.
So, your time is based on hearsay from someone we don't even know. How
reliable was that person? We don't know since we don't know who it was. Or
if there "was" a person; perhaps Clark read it somewhere.
If you think that's solid, definitive evidence of his arrival then that is
simply not the way I look at evidence.
Now go and tell us how Greer shot JFK and how Sandy Hook was a false flag
operation done by the government. I assume you probably believe Greer shot
those kids too, right?

Curry broadcast this at 12:34 (DPD time): "Keep everything out of this
emergency entrance."
I assume by "this" he meant the one he was at: Parkland.
That's the first indicator on the tapes of when they arrived at Parkland.
So, that's approximately a four minute ride/journey from Dealey to
Parkland.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/

My "theory" is that after JFK had been shot that they rushed him to
Parkland hospital. Once there, he was placed on a stretcher and taken into
the emergency room.

I know, I'd make a lousy conspiracy believer. Because for many in the
conspiracy world one plus one does not, as I believe, equal two: it equals
whatever is needed to support the conspiracy belief.

[Mark]

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

It couldn't be both? That is: a hurried event AND difficulty/delay in
getting JFK to the ER?
The accounts by people who were there support this: they rushed to
Parkland and once there, in a confused and hectic environment, things
slowed down. Agents went in to get stretchers, then they came out with
them, Connally had to be removed first to get to JFK, then Jackie refused
to let them get to JFK, they placed a coat over his head, they got him
out, then they rushed in.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts where there
is no evidence of any delay. In fact, just the opposite; they were worried
about the limo running them over. If a delay took place it was AFTER they
arrived at the entrance at Parkland.
Your entire theory is based on Clark's observation as to a 12:43 arrival
at the ER. But he testified that he got to the ER about 12:30 and JFK was
already being attended to. Which time to believe?
Your response was to say Clark heard the 12:43 "from somebody." And then
you use that "somebody" to give a definitive time on arrival. Even though
that "somebody" is unknown.
You're using an unknown witness who gave an account to Clark and then
using Clark's conflicting time as the basis for the delay.
Boy, you're never going to figure this assassination out using that type
of thinking.

Lone Nutters will make up any excuse to defend their wacky theory. "Things
were so rushed, that it took them 5 minutes to get JFK from the car to the
ER." Yeah, sure, kid.

Who said "5 minutes"?
The accounts of the people who were there say agents had to rush in to get
the stretchers, then come out; then they had to get Connally out, then
they had to get to JFK, then they had to convince Jackie to let him go,
then they had to put him on the stretcher, then they had to bring him in.
You think all of that happened in less than a minute. I disagree.
The ER Registration Form - not a hearsay account by someone who got that
from an unknown person - reads 12:38 as the time JFK was admitted. If it
took them 3-4 minutes to get to Parkland and another 3-4 to get him to ER
that equals 12:38. We are dealing with rough timelines.
You cite as your definitive evidence the 12:43 time given by Clark. But
you admit that it was probably given to Clark by another unnamed person.
So, your time is based on hearsay from someone we don't even know. How
reliable was that person? We don't know since we don't know who it was. Or
if there "was" a person; perhaps Clark read it somewhere.
If you think that's solid, definitive evidence of his arrival then that is
simply not the way I look at evidence.
Now go and tell us how Greer shot JFK and how Sandy Hook was a false flag
operation done by the government. I assume you probably believe Greer shot
those kids too, right?

Curry broadcast this at 12:34 (DPD time): "Keep everything out of this
emergency entrance."
I assume by "this" he meant the one he was at: Parkland.
That's the first indicator on the tapes of when they arrived at Parkland.
So, that's approximately a four minute ride/journey from Dealey to
Parkland.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/

A good find. Curry has to be referring to his arrival at Parkland. I don't
know of any other "emergency entrance" he would be talking about at 12:34,
four minutes after Oswald's shots in Dealey. Mark

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

It couldn't be both? That is: a hurried event AND difficulty/delay in
getting JFK to the ER?
The accounts by people who were there support this: they rushed to
Parkland and once there, in a confused and hectic environment, things
slowed down. Agents went in to get stretchers, then they came out with
them, Connally had to be removed first to get to JFK, then Jackie refused
to let them get to JFK, they placed a coat over his head, they got him
out, then they rushed in.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts where there
is no evidence of any delay. In fact, just the opposite; they were worried
about the limo running them over. If a delay took place it was AFTER they
arrived at the entrance at Parkland.
Your entire theory is based on Clark's observation as to a 12:43 arrival
at the ER. But he testified that he got to the ER about 12:30 and JFK was
already being attended to. Which time to believe?
Your response was to say Clark heard the 12:43 "from somebody." And then
you use that "somebody" to give a definitive time on arrival. Even though
that "somebody" is unknown.
You're using an unknown witness who gave an account to Clark and then
using Clark's conflicting time as the basis for the delay.
Boy, you're never going to figure this assassination out using that type
of thinking.

Lone Nutters will make up any excuse to defend their wacky theory. "Things
were so rushed, that it took them 5 minutes to get JFK from the car to the
ER." Yeah, sure, kid.

Who said "5 minutes"?
The accounts of the people who were there say agents had to rush in to get
the stretchers, then come out; then they had to get Connally out, then
they had to get to JFK, then they had to convince Jackie to let him go,
then they had to put him on the stretcher, then they had to bring him in.
You think all of that happened in less than a minute. I disagree.
The ER Registration Form - not a hearsay account by someone who got that
from an unknown person - reads 12:38 as the time JFK was admitted. If it
took them 3-4 minutes to get to Parkland and another 3-4 to get him to ER
that equals 12:38. We are dealing with rough timelines.
You cite as your definitive evidence the 12:43 time given by Clark. But
you admit that it was probably given to Clark by another unnamed person.
So, your time is based on hearsay from someone we don't even know. How
reliable was that person? We don't know since we don't know who it was. Or
if there "was" a person; perhaps Clark read it somewhere.
If you think that's solid, definitive evidence of his arrival then that is
simply not the way I look at evidence.
Now go and tell us how Greer shot JFK and how Sandy Hook was a false flag
operation done by the government. I assume you probably believe Greer shot
those kids too, right?

Curry broadcast this at 12:34 (DPD time): "Keep everything out of this
emergency entrance."
I assume by "this" he meant the one he was at: Parkland.
That's the first indicator on the tapes of when they arrived at Parkland.
So, that's approximately a four minute ride/journey from Dealey to
Parkland.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/

A good find. Curry has to be referring to his arrival at Parkland. I don't
know of any other "emergency entrance" he would be talking about at 12:34,
four minutes after Oswald's shots in Dealey. Mark

Curry was driving the presidential limo? Why were the DPD cutting traffic
to Hines and Industrial AFTER Curry arrived at Parkland?

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

It couldn't be both? That is: a hurried event AND difficulty/delay in
getting JFK to the ER?
The accounts by people who were there support this: they rushed to
Parkland and once there, in a confused and hectic environment, things
slowed down. Agents went in to get stretchers, then they came out with
them, Connally had to be removed first to get to JFK, then Jackie refused
to let them get to JFK, they placed a coat over his head, they got him
out, then they rushed in.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts where there
is no evidence of any delay. In fact, just the opposite; they were worried
about the limo running them over. If a delay took place it was AFTER they
arrived at the entrance at Parkland.
Your entire theory is based on Clark's observation as to a 12:43 arrival
at the ER. But he testified that he got to the ER about 12:30 and JFK was
already being attended to. Which time to believe?
Your response was to say Clark heard the 12:43 "from somebody." And then
you use that "somebody" to give a definitive time on arrival. Even though
that "somebody" is unknown.
You're using an unknown witness who gave an account to Clark and then
using Clark's conflicting time as the basis for the delay.
Boy, you're never going to figure this assassination out using that type
of thinking.

Lone Nutters will make up any excuse to defend their wacky theory. "Things
were so rushed, that it took them 5 minutes to get JFK from the car to the
ER." Yeah, sure, kid.

Who said "5 minutes"?
The accounts of the people who were there say agents had to rush in to get
the stretchers, then come out; then they had to get Connally out, then
they had to get to JFK, then they had to convince Jackie to let him go,
then they had to put him on the stretcher, then they had to bring him in.
You think all of that happened in less than a minute. I disagree.
The ER Registration Form - not a hearsay account by someone who got that
from an unknown person - reads 12:38 as the time JFK was admitted. If it
took them 3-4 minutes to get to Parkland and another 3-4 to get him to ER
that equals 12:38. We are dealing with rough timelines.
You cite as your definitive evidence the 12:43 time given by Clark. But
you admit that it was probably given to Clark by another unnamed person.
So, your time is based on hearsay from someone we don't even know. How
reliable was that person? We don't know since we don't know who it was. Or
if there "was" a person; perhaps Clark read it somewhere.
If you think that's solid, definitive evidence of his arrival then that is
simply not the way I look at evidence.
Now go and tell us how Greer shot JFK and how Sandy Hook was a false flag
operation done by the government. I assume you probably believe Greer shot
those kids too, right?

Curry broadcast this at 12:34 (DPD time): "Keep everything out of this
emergency entrance."
I assume by "this" he meant the one he was at: Parkland.
That's the first indicator on the tapes of when they arrived at Parkland.
So, that's approximately a four minute ride/journey from Dealey to
Parkland.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/

A good find. Curry has to be referring to his arrival at Parkland. I don't
know of any other "emergency entrance" he would be talking about at 12:34,
four minutes after Oswald's shots in Dealey. Mark

Curry was driving the presidential limo? Why were the DPD cutting traffic
to Hines and Industrial AFTER Curry arrived at Parkland?

I have no idea what you're talking about, as usual. Curry, as you well
know, was in the white Ford that led the motorcade. But it didn't lead the
way to Parkland Hospital. He got there AFTER JFK's limo. So perhaps Curry
arrived at Parkland about 30 to 45 seconds later. Again that puts the
Limo, which was ahead of him, arriving at around 12:34 or 12:35.

"Chief Curry's Ford was equipped with a souped-up engine, but it couldn't
match the powerful machines of SS 100 X and Halfback."

Page 161 of Manchester's DEATH OF A PRESIDENT

Mark

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

It couldn't be both? That is: a hurried event AND difficulty/delay in
getting JFK to the ER?
The accounts by people who were there support this: they rushed to
Parkland and once there, in a confused and hectic environment, things
slowed down. Agents went in to get stretchers, then they came out with
them, Connally had to be removed first to get to JFK, then Jackie refused
to let them get to JFK, they placed a coat over his head, they got him
out, then they rushed in.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts where there
is no evidence of any delay. In fact, just the opposite; they were worried
about the limo running them over. If a delay took place it was AFTER they
arrived at the entrance at Parkland.
Your entire theory is based on Clark's observation as to a 12:43 arrival
at the ER. But he testified that he got to the ER about 12:30 and JFK was
already being attended to. Which time to believe?
Your response was to say Clark heard the 12:43 "from somebody." And then
you use that "somebody" to give a definitive time on arrival. Even though
that "somebody" is unknown.
You're using an unknown witness who gave an account to Clark and then
using Clark's conflicting time as the basis for the delay.
Boy, you're never going to figure this assassination out using that type
of thinking.

Lone Nutters will make up any excuse to defend their wacky theory. "Things
were so rushed, that it took them 5 minutes to get JFK from the car to the
ER." Yeah, sure, kid.

Who said "5 minutes"?
The accounts of the people who were there say agents had to rush in to get
the stretchers, then come out; then they had to get Connally out, then
they had to get to JFK, then they had to convince Jackie to let him go,
then they had to put him on the stretcher, then they had to bring him in.
You think all of that happened in less than a minute. I disagree.
The ER Registration Form - not a hearsay account by someone who got that
from an unknown person - reads 12:38 as the time JFK was admitted. If it
took them 3-4 minutes to get to Parkland and another 3-4 to get him to ER
that equals 12:38. We are dealing with rough timelines.
You cite as your definitive evidence the 12:43 time given by Clark. But
you admit that it was probably given to Clark by another unnamed person.
So, your time is based on hearsay from someone we don't even know. How
reliable was that person? We don't know since we don't know who it was. Or
if there "was" a person; perhaps Clark read it somewhere.
If you think that's solid, definitive evidence of his arrival then that is
simply not the way I look at evidence.
Now go and tell us how Greer shot JFK and how Sandy Hook was a false flag
operation done by the government. I assume you probably believe Greer shot
those kids too, right?

Curry broadcast this at 12:34 (DPD time): "Keep everything out of this
emergency entrance."
I assume by "this" he meant the one he was at: Parkland.
That's the first indicator on the tapes of when they arrived at Parkland.
So, that's approximately a four minute ride/journey from Dealey to
Parkland.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/

A good find. Curry has to be referring to his arrival at Parkland. I don't
know of any other "emergency entrance" he would be talking about at 12:34,
four minutes after Oswald's shots in Dealey. Mark

Curry was driving the presidential limo? Why were the DPD cutting traffic
to Hines and Industrial AFTER Curry arrived at Parkland?

I have no idea what you're talking about, as usual. Curry, as you well
know, was in the white Ford that led the motorcade. But it didn't lead the
way to Parkland Hospital. He got there AFTER JFK's limo. So perhaps Curry
arrived at Parkland about 30 to 45 seconds later. Again that puts the
Limo, which was ahead of him, arriving at around 12:34 or 12:35.
"Chief Curry's Ford was equipped with a souped-up engine, but it couldn't
match the powerful machines of SS 100 X and Halfback."
Page 161 of Manchester's DEATH OF A PRESIDENT
Mark

Why are these hot rods going so slowly on Stemmons Freeway, as the Miller
photo indicates?

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

It couldn't be both? That is: a hurried event AND difficulty/delay in
getting JFK to the ER?
The accounts by people who were there support this: they rushed to
Parkland and once there, in a confused and hectic environment, things
slowed down. Agents went in to get stretchers, then they came out with
them, Connally had to be removed first to get to JFK, then Jackie refused
to let them get to JFK, they placed a coat over his head, they got him
out, then they rushed in.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts where there
is no evidence of any delay. In fact, just the opposite; they were worried
about the limo running them over. If a delay took place it was AFTER they
arrived at the entrance at Parkland.
Your entire theory is based on Clark's observation as to a 12:43 arrival
at the ER. But he testified that he got to the ER about 12:30 and JFK was
already being attended to. Which time to believe?
Your response was to say Clark heard the 12:43 "from somebody." And then
you use that "somebody" to give a definitive time on arrival. Even though
that "somebody" is unknown.
You're using an unknown witness who gave an account to Clark and then
using Clark's conflicting time as the basis for the delay.
Boy, you're never going to figure this assassination out using that type
of thinking.

Lone Nutters will make up any excuse to defend their wacky theory. "Things
were so rushed, that it took them 5 minutes to get JFK from the car to the
ER." Yeah, sure, kid.

Who said "5 minutes"?
The accounts of the people who were there say agents had to rush in to get
the stretchers, then come out; then they had to get Connally out, then
they had to get to JFK, then they had to convince Jackie to let him go,
then they had to put him on the stretcher, then they had to bring him in.
You think all of that happened in less than a minute. I disagree.
The ER Registration Form - not a hearsay account by someone who got that
from an unknown person - reads 12:38 as the time JFK was admitted. If it
took them 3-4 minutes to get to Parkland and another 3-4 to get him to ER
that equals 12:38. We are dealing with rough timelines.
You cite as your definitive evidence the 12:43 time given by Clark. But
you admit that it was probably given to Clark by another unnamed person.
So, your time is based on hearsay from someone we don't even know. How
reliable was that person? We don't know since we don't know who it was. Or
if there "was" a person; perhaps Clark read it somewhere.
If you think that's solid, definitive evidence of his arrival then that is
simply not the way I look at evidence.
Now go and tell us how Greer shot JFK and how Sandy Hook was a false flag
operation done by the government. I assume you probably believe Greer shot
those kids too, right?

Curry broadcast this at 12:34 (DPD time): "Keep everything out of this
emergency entrance."
I assume by "this" he meant the one he was at: Parkland.
That's the first indicator on the tapes of when they arrived at Parkland.
So, that's approximately a four minute ride/journey from Dealey to
Parkland.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/

A good find. Curry has to be referring to his arrival at Parkland. I don't
know of any other "emergency entrance" he would be talking about at 12:34,
four minutes after Oswald's shots in Dealey. Mark

Curry was driving the presidential limo? Why were the DPD cutting traffic
to Hines and Industrial AFTER Curry arrived at Parkland?

I have no idea what you're talking about, as usual. Curry, as you well
know, was in the white Ford that led the motorcade. But it didn't lead the
way to Parkland Hospital. He got there AFTER JFK's limo. So perhaps Curry
arrived at Parkland about 30 to 45 seconds later. Again that puts the
Limo, which was ahead of him, arriving at around 12:34 or 12:35.
"Chief Curry's Ford was equipped with a souped-up engine, but it couldn't
match the powerful machines of SS 100 X and Halfback."
Page 161 of Manchester's DEATH OF A PRESIDENT
Mark

Why are these hot rods going so slowly on Stemmons Freeway, as the Miller
photo indicates?

that only shows the beginning of the freeway after they had just made
the turn. They could not take the turn at 80 MPH.

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

It couldn't be both? That is: a hurried event AND difficulty/delay in
getting JFK to the ER?
The accounts by people who were there support this: they rushed to
Parkland and once there, in a confused and hectic environment, things
slowed down. Agents went in to get stretchers, then they came out with
them, Connally had to be removed first to get to JFK, then Jackie refused
to let them get to JFK, they placed a coat over his head, they got him
out, then they rushed in.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts where there
is no evidence of any delay. In fact, just the opposite; they were worried
about the limo running them over. If a delay took place it was AFTER they
arrived at the entrance at Parkland.
Your entire theory is based on Clark's observation as to a 12:43 arrival
at the ER. But he testified that he got to the ER about 12:30 and JFK was
already being attended to. Which time to believe?
Your response was to say Clark heard the 12:43 "from somebody." And then
you use that "somebody" to give a definitive time on arrival. Even though
that "somebody" is unknown.
You're using an unknown witness who gave an account to Clark and then
using Clark's conflicting time as the basis for the delay.
Boy, you're never going to figure this assassination out using that type
of thinking.

Lone Nutters will make up any excuse to defend their wacky theory. "Things
were so rushed, that it took them 5 minutes to get JFK from the car to the
ER." Yeah, sure, kid.

Who said "5 minutes"?
The accounts of the people who were there say agents had to rush in to get
the stretchers, then come out; then they had to get Connally out, then
they had to get to JFK, then they had to convince Jackie to let him go,
then they had to put him on the stretcher, then they had to bring him in.
You think all of that happened in less than a minute. I disagree.
The ER Registration Form - not a hearsay account by someone who got that
from an unknown person - reads 12:38 as the time JFK was admitted. If it
took them 3-4 minutes to get to Parkland and another 3-4 to get him to ER
that equals 12:38. We are dealing with rough timelines.
You cite as your definitive evidence the 12:43 time given by Clark. But
you admit that it was probably given to Clark by another unnamed person.
So, your time is based on hearsay from someone we don't even know. How
reliable was that person? We don't know since we don't know who it was. Or
if there "was" a person; perhaps Clark read it somewhere.
If you think that's solid, definitive evidence of his arrival then that is
simply not the way I look at evidence.
Now go and tell us how Greer shot JFK and how Sandy Hook was a false flag
operation done by the government. I assume you probably believe Greer shot
those kids too, right?

Curry broadcast this at 12:34 (DPD time): "Keep everything out of this
emergency entrance."
I assume by "this" he meant the one he was at: Parkland.
That's the first indicator on the tapes of when they arrived at Parkland.
So, that's approximately a four minute ride/journey from Dealey to
Parkland.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/

A good find. Curry has to be referring to his arrival at Parkland. I don't
know of any other "emergency entrance" he would be talking about at 12:34,
four minutes after Oswald's shots in Dealey. Mark

Curry was driving the presidential limo? Why were the DPD cutting traffic
to Hines and Industrial AFTER Curry arrived at Parkland?

I have no idea what you're talking about, as usual. Curry, as you well
know, was in the white Ford that led the motorcade. But it didn't lead the
way to Parkland Hospital. He got there AFTER JFK's limo. So perhaps Curry
arrived at Parkland about 30 to 45 seconds later. Again that puts the
Limo, which was ahead of him, arriving at around 12:34 or 12:35.
"Chief Curry's Ford was equipped with a souped-up engine, but it couldn't
match the powerful machines of SS 100 X and Halfback."
Page 161 of Manchester's DEATH OF A PRESIDENT
Mark

Why are these hot rods going so slowly on Stemmons Freeway, as the Miller
photo indicates?

that only shows the beginning of the freeway after they had just made
the turn. They could not take the turn at 80 MPH.

The Miller photo was taken about 1-1/4 miles north of Dealey Plaza. The
building in the background is now the home of "Bauhaus." You know nothing
about the Stemmons Freeway. They should be going as fast as they ever did
right there, but it looks like about 10-12 mph.

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

It couldn't be both? That is: a hurried event AND difficulty/delay in
getting JFK to the ER?
The accounts by people who were there support this: they rushed to
Parkland and once there, in a confused and hectic environment, things
slowed down. Agents went in to get stretchers, then they came out with
them, Connally had to be removed first to get to JFK, then Jackie refused
to let them get to JFK, they placed a coat over his head, they got him
out, then they rushed in.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts where there
is no evidence of any delay. In fact, just the opposite; they were worried
about the limo running them over. If a delay took place it was AFTER they
arrived at the entrance at Parkland.
Your entire theory is based on Clark's observation as to a 12:43 arrival
at the ER. But he testified that he got to the ER about 12:30 and JFK was
already being attended to. Which time to believe?
Your response was to say Clark heard the 12:43 "from somebody." And then
you use that "somebody" to give a definitive time on arrival. Even though
that "somebody" is unknown.
You're using an unknown witness who gave an account to Clark and then
using Clark's conflicting time as the basis for the delay.
Boy, you're never going to figure this assassination out using that type
of thinking.

Lone Nutters will make up any excuse to defend their wacky theory. "Things
were so rushed, that it took them 5 minutes to get JFK from the car to the
ER." Yeah, sure, kid.

Who said "5 minutes"?
The accounts of the people who were there say agents had to rush in to get
the stretchers, then come out; then they had to get Connally out, then
they had to get to JFK, then they had to convince Jackie to let him go,
then they had to put him on the stretcher, then they had to bring him in.
You think all of that happened in less than a minute. I disagree.
The ER Registration Form - not a hearsay account by someone who got that
from an unknown person - reads 12:38 as the time JFK was admitted. If it
took them 3-4 minutes to get to Parkland and another 3-4 to get him to ER
that equals 12:38. We are dealing with rough timelines.
You cite as your definitive evidence the 12:43 time given by Clark. But
you admit that it was probably given to Clark by another unnamed person.
So, your time is based on hearsay from someone we don't even know. How
reliable was that person? We don't know since we don't know who it was. Or
if there "was" a person; perhaps Clark read it somewhere.
If you think that's solid, definitive evidence of his arrival then that is
simply not the way I look at evidence.
Now go and tell us how Greer shot JFK and how Sandy Hook was a false flag
operation done by the government. I assume you probably believe Greer shot
those kids too, right?

Curry broadcast this at 12:34 (DPD time): "Keep everything out of this
emergency entrance."
I assume by "this" he meant the one he was at: Parkland.
That's the first indicator on the tapes of when they arrived at Parkland.
So, that's approximately a four minute ride/journey from Dealey to
Parkland.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/

A good find. Curry has to be referring to his arrival at Parkland. I don't
know of any other "emergency entrance" he would be talking about at 12:34,
four minutes after Oswald's shots in Dealey. Mark

Curry was driving the presidential limo? Why were the DPD cutting traffic
to Hines and Industrial AFTER Curry arrived at Parkland?

I have no idea what you're talking about, as usual. Curry, as you well
know, was in the white Ford that led the motorcade. But it didn't lead the
way to Parkland Hospital. He got there AFTER JFK's limo. So perhaps Curry
arrived at Parkland about 30 to 45 seconds later. Again that puts the
Limo, which was ahead of him, arriving at around 12:34 or 12:35.
"Chief Curry's Ford was equipped with a souped-up engine, but it couldn't
match the powerful machines of SS 100 X and Halfback."
Page 161 of Manchester's DEATH OF A PRESIDENT
Mark

Why are these hot rods going so slowly on Stemmons Freeway, as the Miller
photo indicates?

that only shows the beginning of the freeway after they had just made
the turn. They could not take the turn at 80 MPH.

The Miller photo was taken about 1-1/4 miles north of Dealey Plaza. The
building in the background is now the home of "Bauhaus." You know nothing
about the Stemmons Freeway. They should be going as fast as they ever did
right there, but it looks like about 10-12 mph.

Are you guessing that from the streaks?

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

It couldn't be both? That is: a hurried event AND difficulty/delay in
getting JFK to the ER?
The accounts by people who were there support this: they rushed to
Parkland and once there, in a confused and hectic environment, things
slowed down. Agents went in to get stretchers, then they came out with
them, Connally had to be removed first to get to JFK, then Jackie refused
to let them get to JFK, they placed a coat over his head, they got him
out, then they rushed in.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts where there
is no evidence of any delay. In fact, just the opposite; they were worried
about the limo running them over. If a delay took place it was AFTER they
arrived at the entrance at Parkland.
Your entire theory is based on Clark's observation as to a 12:43 arrival
at the ER. But he testified that he got to the ER about 12:30 and JFK was
already being attended to. Which time to believe?
Your response was to say Clark heard the 12:43 "from somebody." And then
you use that "somebody" to give a definitive time on arrival. Even though
that "somebody" is unknown.
You're using an unknown witness who gave an account to Clark and then
using Clark's conflicting time as the basis for the delay.
Boy, you're never going to figure this assassination out using that type
of thinking.

Lone Nutters will make up any excuse to defend their wacky theory. "Things
were so rushed, that it took them 5 minutes to get JFK from the car to the
ER." Yeah, sure, kid.

Who said "5 minutes"?
The accounts of the people who were there say agents had to rush in to get
the stretchers, then come out; then they had to get Connally out, then
they had to get to JFK, then they had to convince Jackie to let him go,
then they had to put him on the stretcher, then they had to bring him in.
You think all of that happened in less than a minute. I disagree.
The ER Registration Form - not a hearsay account by someone who got that
from an unknown person - reads 12:38 as the time JFK was admitted. If it
took them 3-4 minutes to get to Parkland and another 3-4 to get him to ER
that equals 12:38. We are dealing with rough timelines.
You cite as your definitive evidence the 12:43 time given by Clark. But
you admit that it was probably given to Clark by another unnamed person.
So, your time is based on hearsay from someone we don't even know. How
reliable was that person? We don't know since we don't know who it was. Or
if there "was" a person; perhaps Clark read it somewhere.
If you think that's solid, definitive evidence of his arrival then that is
simply not the way I look at evidence.
Now go and tell us how Greer shot JFK and how Sandy Hook was a false flag
operation done by the government. I assume you probably believe Greer shot
those kids too, right?

Curry broadcast this at 12:34 (DPD time): "Keep everything out of this
emergency entrance."
I assume by "this" he meant the one he was at: Parkland.
That's the first indicator on the tapes of when they arrived at Parkland.
So, that's approximately a four minute ride/journey from Dealey to
Parkland.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/

A good find. Curry has to be referring to his arrival at Parkland. I don't
know of any other "emergency entrance" he would be talking about at 12:34,
four minutes after Oswald's shots in Dealey. Mark

Curry was driving the presidential limo? Why were the DPD cutting traffic
to Hines and Industrial AFTER Curry arrived at Parkland?

I have no idea what you're talking about, as usual. Curry, as you well
know, was in the white Ford that led the motorcade. But it didn't lead the
way to Parkland Hospital. He got there AFTER JFK's limo. So perhaps Curry
arrived at Parkland about 30 to 45 seconds later. Again that puts the
Limo, which was ahead of him, arriving at around 12:34 or 12:35.
"Chief Curry's Ford was equipped with a souped-up engine, but it couldn't
match the powerful machines of SS 100 X and Halfback."
Page 161 of Manchester's DEATH OF A PRESIDENT
Mark

Why are these hot rods going so slowly on Stemmons Freeway, as the Miller
photo indicates?

that only shows the beginning of the freeway after they had just made
the turn. They could not take the turn at 80 MPH.

The Miller photo was taken about 1-1/4 miles north of Dealey Plaza. The
building in the background is now the home of "Bauhaus." You know nothing
about the Stemmons Freeway. They should be going as fast as they ever did
right there, but it looks like about 10-12 mph.

Are you guessing that from the streaks?

I can't can't see your streaks from here. Get a grip, Marsh!

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

It couldn't be both? That is: a hurried event AND difficulty/delay in
getting JFK to the ER?
The accounts by people who were there support this: they rushed to
Parkland and once there, in a confused and hectic environment, things
slowed down. Agents went in to get stretchers, then they came out with
them, Connally had to be removed first to get to JFK, then Jackie refused
to let them get to JFK, they placed a coat over his head, they got him
out, then they rushed in.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts where there
is no evidence of any delay. In fact, just the opposite; they were worried
about the limo running them over. If a delay took place it was AFTER they
arrived at the entrance at Parkland.
Your entire theory is based on Clark's observation as to a 12:43 arrival
at the ER. But he testified that he got to the ER about 12:30 and JFK was
already being attended to. Which time to believe?
Your response was to say Clark heard the 12:43 "from somebody." And then
you use that "somebody" to give a definitive time on arrival. Even though
that "somebody" is unknown.
You're using an unknown witness who gave an account to Clark and then
using Clark's conflicting time as the basis for the delay.
Boy, you're never going to figure this assassination out using that type
of thinking.

Lone Nutters will make up any excuse to defend their wacky theory. "Things
were so rushed, that it took them 5 minutes to get JFK from the car to the
ER." Yeah, sure, kid.

Who said "5 minutes"?
The accounts of the people who were there say agents had to rush in to get
the stretchers, then come out; then they had to get Connally out, then
they had to get to JFK, then they had to convince Jackie to let him go,
then they had to put him on the stretcher, then they had to bring him in.
You think all of that happened in less than a minute. I disagree.
The ER Registration Form - not a hearsay account by someone who got that
from an unknown person - reads 12:38 as the time JFK was admitted. If it
took them 3-4 minutes to get to Parkland and another 3-4 to get him to ER
that equals 12:38. We are dealing with rough timelines.
You cite as your definitive evidence the 12:43 time given by Clark. But
you admit that it was probably given to Clark by another unnamed person.
So, your time is based on hearsay from someone we don't even know. How
reliable was that person? We don't know since we don't know who it was. Or
if there "was" a person; perhaps Clark read it somewhere.
If you think that's solid, definitive evidence of his arrival then that is
simply not the way I look at evidence.
Now go and tell us how Greer shot JFK and how Sandy Hook was a false flag
operation done by the government. I assume you probably believe Greer shot
those kids too, right?

Curry broadcast this at 12:34 (DPD time): "Keep everything out of this
emergency entrance."
I assume by "this" he meant the one he was at: Parkland.
That's the first indicator on the tapes of when they arrived at Parkland.
So, that's approximately a four minute ride/journey from Dealey to
Parkland.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/

A good find. Curry has to be referring to his arrival at Parkland. I don't
know of any other "emergency entrance" he would be talking about at 12:34,
four minutes after Oswald's shots in Dealey. Mark

Curry was driving the presidential limo? Why were the DPD cutting traffic
to Hines and Industrial AFTER Curry arrived at Parkland?

I have no idea what you're talking about, as usual. Curry, as you well
know, was in the white Ford that led the motorcade. But it didn't lead the
way to Parkland Hospital. He got there AFTER JFK's limo. So perhaps Curry
arrived at Parkland about 30 to 45 seconds later. Again that puts the
Limo, which was ahead of him, arriving at around 12:34 or 12:35.
"Chief Curry's Ford was equipped with a souped-up engine, but it couldn't
match the powerful machines of SS 100 X and Halfback."
Page 161 of Manchester's DEATH OF A PRESIDENT
Mark

Why are these hot rods going so slowly on Stemmons Freeway, as the Miller
photo indicates?

that only shows the beginning of the freeway after they had just made
the turn. They could not take the turn at 80 MPH.

The Miller photo was taken about 1-1/4 miles north of Dealey Plaza. The
building in the background is now the home of "Bauhaus." You know nothing
about the Stemmons Freeway. They should be going as fast as they ever did
right there, but it looks like about 10-12 mph.

Are you guessing that from the streaks?

I can't can't see your streaks from here. Get a grip, Marsh!

Well, somebody needs to "get a grip" about what happened on Stemmons.

Curry's 12:34 radio transmission that he was at Parkland means JFK's
Limousine, which arrived before him, got there by 12:34, certainly no
later than 12:35. That means it was a four to five minute trip from Dealey
to Parkland. But you've ignored that.

By "streaks," I think Marsh is referring to the blurring which can be seen
in all four photos taken after they entered onto Stemmons.

For you to say they appear to be going 10 to 12 miles an hour in the
Miller photo shows you cannot be taken seriously on this subject.

I'm somewhat sorry I got involved in your thread. However little, my posts
have lent credence to it.

It's a bogus issue. Mark

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

It couldn't be both? That is: a hurried event AND difficulty/delay in
getting JFK to the ER?
The accounts by people who were there support this: they rushed to
Parkland and once there, in a confused and hectic environment, things
slowed down. Agents went in to get stretchers, then they came out with
them, Connally had to be removed first to get to JFK, then Jackie refused
to let them get to JFK, they placed a coat over his head, they got him
out, then they rushed in.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts where there
is no evidence of any delay. In fact, just the opposite; they were worried
about the limo running them over. If a delay took place it was AFTER they
arrived at the entrance at Parkland.
Your entire theory is based on Clark's observation as to a 12:43 arrival
at the ER. But he testified that he got to the ER about 12:30 and JFK was
already being attended to. Which time to believe?
Your response was to say Clark heard the 12:43 "from somebody." And then
you use that "somebody" to give a definitive time on arrival. Even though
that "somebody" is unknown.
You're using an unknown witness who gave an account to Clark and then
using Clark's conflicting time as the basis for the delay.
Boy, you're never going to figure this assassination out using that type
of thinking.

Lone Nutters will make up any excuse to defend their wacky theory. "Things
were so rushed, that it took them 5 minutes to get JFK from the car to the
ER." Yeah, sure, kid.

Who said "5 minutes"?
The accounts of the people who were there say agents had to rush in to get
the stretchers, then come out; then they had to get Connally out, then
they had to get to JFK, then they had to convince Jackie to let him go,
then they had to put him on the stretcher, then they had to bring him in.
You think all of that happened in less than a minute. I disagree.
The ER Registration Form - not a hearsay account by someone who got that
from an unknown person - reads 12:38 as the time JFK was admitted. If it
took them 3-4 minutes to get to Parkland and another 3-4 to get him to ER
that equals 12:38. We are dealing with rough timelines.
You cite as your definitive evidence the 12:43 time given by Clark. But
you admit that it was probably given to Clark by another unnamed person.
So, your time is based on hearsay from someone we don't even know. How
reliable was that person? We don't know since we don't know who it was. Or
if there "was" a person; perhaps Clark read it somewhere.
If you think that's solid, definitive evidence of his arrival then that is
simply not the way I look at evidence.
Now go and tell us how Greer shot JFK and how Sandy Hook was a false flag
operation done by the government. I assume you probably believe Greer shot
those kids too, right?

Curry broadcast this at 12:34 (DPD time): "Keep everything out of this
emergency entrance."
I assume by "this" he meant the one he was at: Parkland.
That's the first indicator on the tapes of when they arrived at Parkland.
So, that's approximately a four minute ride/journey from Dealey to
Parkland.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/

A good find. Curry has to be referring to his arrival at Parkland. I don't
know of any other "emergency entrance" he would be talking about at 12:34,
four minutes after Oswald's shots in Dealey. Mark

Curry was driving the presidential limo? Why were the DPD cutting traffic
to Hines and Industrial AFTER Curry arrived at Parkland?

I have no idea what you're talking about, as usual. Curry, as you well
know, was in the white Ford that led the motorcade. But it didn't lead the
way to Parkland Hospital. He got there AFTER JFK's limo. So perhaps Curry
arrived at Parkland about 30 to 45 seconds later. Again that puts the
Limo, which was ahead of him, arriving at around 12:34 or 12:35.
"Chief Curry's Ford was equipped with a souped-up engine, but it couldn't
match the powerful machines of SS 100 X and Halfback."
Page 161 of Manchester's DEATH OF A PRESIDENT
Mark

Why are these hot rods going so slowly on Stemmons Freeway, as the Miller
photo indicates?

that only shows the beginning of the freeway after they had just made
the turn. They could not take the turn at 80 MPH.

The Miller photo was taken about 1-1/4 miles north of Dealey Plaza. The
building in the background is now the home of "Bauhaus." You know nothing
about the Stemmons Freeway. They should be going as fast as they ever did
right there, but it looks like about 10-12 mph.

Are you guessing that from the streaks?

I can't can't see your streaks from here. Get a grip, Marsh!

Well, somebody needs to "get a grip" about what happened on Stemmons.
Curry's 12:34 radio transmission that he was at Parkland means JFK's
Limousine, which arrived before him, got there by 12:34, certainly no
later than 12:35. That means it was a four to five minute trip from Dealey
to Parkland. But you've ignored that.
By "streaks," I think Marsh is referring to the blurring which can be seen
in all four photos taken after they entered onto Stemmons.
For you to say they appear to be going 10 to 12 miles an hour in the
Miller photo shows you cannot be taken seriously on this subject.
I'm somewhat sorry I got involved in your thread. However little, my posts
have lent credence to it.
It's a bogus issue. Mark

Then stop taking me seriously. I stopped taking you seriously long ago.

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

It couldn't be both? That is: a hurried event AND difficulty/delay in
getting JFK to the ER?
The accounts by people who were there support this: they rushed to
Parkland and once there, in a confused and hectic environment, things
slowed down. Agents went in to get stretchers, then they came out with
them, Connally had to be removed first to get to JFK, then Jackie refused
to let them get to JFK, they placed a coat over his head, they got him
out, then they rushed in.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts where there
is no evidence of any delay. In fact, just the opposite; they were worried
about the limo running them over. If a delay took place it was AFTER they
arrived at the entrance at Parkland.
Your entire theory is based on Clark's observation as to a 12:43 arrival
at the ER. But he testified that he got to the ER about 12:30 and JFK was
already being attended to. Which time to believe?
Your response was to say Clark heard the 12:43 "from somebody." And then
you use that "somebody" to give a definitive time on arrival. Even though
that "somebody" is unknown.
You're using an unknown witness who gave an account to Clark and then
using Clark's conflicting time as the basis for the delay.
Boy, you're never going to figure this assassination out using that type
of thinking.

Lone Nutters will make up any excuse to defend their wacky theory. "Things
were so rushed, that it took them 5 minutes to get JFK from the car to the
ER." Yeah, sure, kid.

Who said "5 minutes"?
The accounts of the people who were there say agents had to rush in to get
the stretchers, then come out; then they had to get Connally out, then
they had to get to JFK, then they had to convince Jackie to let him go,
then they had to put him on the stretcher, then they had to bring him in.
You think all of that happened in less than a minute. I disagree.
The ER Registration Form - not a hearsay account by someone who got that
from an unknown person - reads 12:38 as the time JFK was admitted. If it
took them 3-4 minutes to get to Parkland and another 3-4 to get him to ER
that equals 12:38. We are dealing with rough timelines.
You cite as your definitive evidence the 12:43 time given by Clark. But
you admit that it was probably given to Clark by another unnamed person.
So, your time is based on hearsay from someone we don't even know. How
reliable was that person? We don't know since we don't know who it was. Or
if there "was" a person; perhaps Clark read it somewhere.
If you think that's solid, definitive evidence of his arrival then that is
simply not the way I look at evidence.
Now go and tell us how Greer shot JFK and how Sandy Hook was a false flag
operation done by the government. I assume you probably believe Greer shot
those kids too, right?

Curry broadcast this at 12:34 (DPD time): "Keep everything out of this
emergency entrance."
I assume by "this" he meant the one he was at: Parkland.
That's the first indicator on the tapes of when they arrived at Parkland.
So, that's approximately a four minute ride/journey from Dealey to
Parkland.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/

A good find. Curry has to be referring to his arrival at Parkland. I don't
know of any other "emergency entrance" he would be talking about at 12:34,
four minutes after Oswald's shots in Dealey. Mark

Curry was driving the presidential limo? Why were the DPD cutting traffic
to Hines and Industrial AFTER Curry arrived at Parkland?

I have no idea what you're talking about, as usual. Curry, as you well
know, was in the white Ford that led the motorcade. But it didn't lead the
way to Parkland Hospital. He got there AFTER JFK's limo. So perhaps Curry
arrived at Parkland about 30 to 45 seconds later. Again that puts the
Limo, which was ahead of him, arriving at around 12:34 or 12:35.
"Chief Curry's Ford was equipped with a souped-up engine, but it couldn't
match the powerful machines of SS 100 X and Halfback."
Page 161 of Manchester's DEATH OF A PRESIDENT
Mark

Why are these hot rods going so slowly on Stemmons Freeway, as the Miller
photo indicates?

that only shows the beginning of the freeway after they had just made
the turn. They could not take the turn at 80 MPH.

The Miller photo was taken about 1-1/4 miles north of Dealey Plaza. The
building in the background is now the home of "Bauhaus." You know nothing
about the Stemmons Freeway. They should be going as fast as they ever did
right there, but it looks like about 10-12 mph.

Are you guessing that from the streaks?

I can't can't see your streaks from here. Get a grip, Marsh!

Well, somebody needs to "get a grip" about what happened on Stemmons.
Curry's 12:34 radio transmission that he was at Parkland means JFK's
Limousine, which arrived before him, got there by 12:34, certainly no
later than 12:35. That means it was a four to five minute trip from Dealey
to Parkland. But you've ignored that.
By "streaks," I think Marsh is referring to the blurring which can be seen
in all four photos taken after they entered onto Stemmons.
For you to say they appear to be going 10 to 12 miles an hour in the
Miller photo shows you cannot be taken seriously on this subject.
I'm somewhat sorry I got involved in your thread. However little, my posts
have lent credence to it.
It's a bogus issue. Mark

Yes, and we can't rely on the times in the DPD radio logs.

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

It couldn't be both? That is: a hurried event AND difficulty/delay in
getting JFK to the ER?
The accounts by people who were there support this: they rushed to
Parkland and once there, in a confused and hectic environment, things
slowed down. Agents went in to get stretchers, then they came out with
them, Connally had to be removed first to get to JFK, then Jackie refused
to let them get to JFK, they placed a coat over his head, they got him
out, then they rushed in.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts where there
is no evidence of any delay. In fact, just the opposite; they were worried
about the limo running them over. If a delay took place it was AFTER they
arrived at the entrance at Parkland.
Your entire theory is based on Clark's observation as to a 12:43 arrival
at the ER. But he testified that he got to the ER about 12:30 and JFK was
already being attended to. Which time to believe?
Your response was to say Clark heard the 12:43 "from somebody." And then
you use that "somebody" to give a definitive time on arrival. Even though
that "somebody" is unknown.
You're using an unknown witness who gave an account to Clark and then
using Clark's conflicting time as the basis for the delay.
Boy, you're never going to figure this assassination out using that type
of thinking.

Lone Nutters will make up any excuse to defend their wacky theory. "Things
were so rushed, that it took them 5 minutes to get JFK from the car to the
ER." Yeah, sure, kid.

Who said "5 minutes"?
The accounts of the people who were there say agents had to rush in to get
the stretchers, then come out; then they had to get Connally out, then
they had to get to JFK, then they had to convince Jackie to let him go,
then they had to put him on the stretcher, then they had to bring him in.
You think all of that happened in less than a minute. I disagree.
The ER Registration Form - not a hearsay account by someone who got that
from an unknown person - reads 12:38 as the time JFK was admitted. If it
took them 3-4 minutes to get to Parkland and another 3-4 to get him to ER
that equals 12:38. We are dealing with rough timelines.
You cite as your definitive evidence the 12:43 time given by Clark. But
you admit that it was probably given to Clark by another unnamed person.
So, your time is based on hearsay from someone we don't even know. How
reliable was that person? We don't know since we don't know who it was. Or
if there "was" a person; perhaps Clark read it somewhere.
If you think that's solid, definitive evidence of his arrival then that is
simply not the way I look at evidence.
Now go and tell us how Greer shot JFK and how Sandy Hook was a false flag
operation done by the government. I assume you probably believe Greer shot
those kids too, right?

Curry broadcast this at 12:34 (DPD time): "Keep everything out of this
emergency entrance."
I assume by "this" he meant the one he was at: Parkland.
That's the first indicator on the tapes of when they arrived at Parkland.
So, that's approximately a four minute ride/journey from Dealey to
Parkland.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/

A good find. Curry has to be referring to his arrival at Parkland. I don't
know of any other "emergency entrance" he would be talking about at 12:34,
four minutes after Oswald's shots in Dealey. Mark

Curry was driving the presidential limo? Why were the DPD cutting traffic
to Hines and Industrial AFTER Curry arrived at Parkland?

I have no idea what you're talking about, as usual. Curry, as you well
know, was in the white Ford that led the motorcade. But it didn't lead the
way to Parkland Hospital. He got there AFTER JFK's limo. So perhaps Curry
arrived at Parkland about 30 to 45 seconds later. Again that puts the
Limo, which was ahead of him, arriving at around 12:34 or 12:35.
"Chief Curry's Ford was equipped with a souped-up engine, but it couldn't
match the powerful machines of SS 100 X and Halfback."
Page 161 of Manchester's DEATH OF A PRESIDENT
Mark

Why are these hot rods going so slowly on Stemmons Freeway, as the Miller
photo indicates?

that only shows the beginning of the freeway after they had just made
the turn. They could not take the turn at 80 MPH.

That's right. Take a look at this:

http://www.dallasfreeways.com/dfwfreeways/pdf/Dallas-Fort-Worth-Freeways-book-05-20140803.pdf

Scroll down to the Volkland photo on page 155, and read the text
underneath it. It puts the photo in its proper context.

The Miller photo, taken as they approached the exit off of Stemmons, is on
page 157. Mark

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

It couldn't be both? That is: a hurried event AND difficulty/delay in
getting JFK to the ER?
The accounts by people who were there support this: they rushed to
Parkland and once there, in a confused and hectic environment, things
slowed down. Agents went in to get stretchers, then they came out with
them, Connally had to be removed first to get to JFK, then Jackie refused
to let them get to JFK, they placed a coat over his head, they got him
out, then they rushed in.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts where there
is no evidence of any delay. In fact, just the opposite; they were worried
about the limo running them over. If a delay took place it was AFTER they
arrived at the entrance at Parkland.
Your entire theory is based on Clark's observation as to a 12:43 arrival
at the ER. But he testified that he got to the ER about 12:30 and JFK was
already being attended to. Which time to believe?
Your response was to say Clark heard the 12:43 "from somebody." And then
you use that "somebody" to give a definitive time on arrival. Even though
that "somebody" is unknown.
You're using an unknown witness who gave an account to Clark and then
using Clark's conflicting time as the basis for the delay.
Boy, you're never going to figure this assassination out using that type
of thinking.

Lone Nutters will make up any excuse to defend their wacky theory. "Things
were so rushed, that it took them 5 minutes to get JFK from the car to the
ER." Yeah, sure, kid.

Who said "5 minutes"?
The accounts of the people who were there say agents had to rush in to get
the stretchers, then come out; then they had to get Connally out, then
they had to get to JFK, then they had to convince Jackie to let him go,
then they had to put him on the stretcher, then they had to bring him in.
You think all of that happened in less than a minute. I disagree.
The ER Registration Form - not a hearsay account by someone who got that
from an unknown person - reads 12:38 as the time JFK was admitted. If it
took them 3-4 minutes to get to Parkland and another 3-4 to get him to ER
that equals 12:38. We are dealing with rough timelines.
You cite as your definitive evidence the 12:43 time given by Clark. But
you admit that it was probably given to Clark by another unnamed person.
So, your time is based on hearsay from someone we don't even know. How
reliable was that person? We don't know since we don't know who it was. Or
if there "was" a person; perhaps Clark read it somewhere.
If you think that's solid, definitive evidence of his arrival then that is
simply not the way I look at evidence.
Now go and tell us how Greer shot JFK and how Sandy Hook was a false flag
operation done by the government. I assume you probably believe Greer shot
those kids too, right?

Curry broadcast this at 12:34 (DPD time): "Keep everything out of this
emergency entrance."
I assume by "this" he meant the one he was at: Parkland.
That's the first indicator on the tapes of when they arrived at Parkland.
So, that's approximately a four minute ride/journey from Dealey to
Parkland.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/

A good find. Curry has to be referring to his arrival at Parkland. I don't
know of any other "emergency entrance" he would be talking about at 12:34,
four minutes after Oswald's shots in Dealey. Mark

Curry was driving the presidential limo? Why were the DPD cutting traffic
to Hines and Industrial AFTER Curry arrived at Parkland?

I have no idea what you're talking about, as usual. Curry, as you well
know, was in the white Ford that led the motorcade. But it didn't lead the
way to Parkland Hospital. He got there AFTER JFK's limo. So perhaps Curry
arrived at Parkland about 30 to 45 seconds later. Again that puts the
Limo, which was ahead of him, arriving at around 12:34 or 12:35.
"Chief Curry's Ford was equipped with a souped-up engine, but it couldn't
match the powerful machines of SS 100 X and Halfback."
Page 161 of Manchester's DEATH OF A PRESIDENT
Mark

Why are these hot rods going so slowly on Stemmons Freeway, as the Miller
photo indicates?

that only shows the beginning of the freeway after they had just made
the turn. They could not take the turn at 80 MPH.

http://www.dallasfreeways.com/dfwfreeways/pdf/Dallas-Fort-Worth-Freeways-book-05-20140803.pdf
Scroll down to the Volkland photo on page 155, and read the text
underneath it. It puts the photo in its proper context.
The Miller photo, taken as they approached the exit off of Stemmons, is on
page 157. Mark

Your talking about a "turn" on the freeway itself? Freeway turns are
gradual enough that you need not reduce speed, certainly not to the
snail's crawl of the Miller photo.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Oak+Lawn+Ave,+Texas/@32.7917243,-96.8154396,14.75z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x864e9eca7e4a8dc9:0x8c929608da9e3d01!8m2!3d32.8053864!4d-96.8128647

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

It couldn't be both? That is: a hurried event AND difficulty/delay in
getting JFK to the ER?
The accounts by people who were there support this: they rushed to
Parkland and once there, in a confused and hectic environment, things
slowed down. Agents went in to get stretchers, then they came out with
them, Connally had to be removed first to get to JFK, then Jackie refused
to let them get to JFK, they placed a coat over his head, they got him
out, then they rushed in.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts where there
is no evidence of any delay. In fact, just the opposite; they were worried
about the limo running them over. If a delay took place it was AFTER they
arrived at the entrance at Parkland.
Your entire theory is based on Clark's observation as to a 12:43 arrival
at the ER. But he testified that he got to the ER about 12:30 and JFK was
already being attended to. Which time to believe?
Your response was to say Clark heard the 12:43 "from somebody." And then
you use that "somebody" to give a definitive time on arrival. Even though
that "somebody" is unknown.
You're using an unknown witness who gave an account to Clark and then
using Clark's conflicting time as the basis for the delay.
Boy, you're never going to figure this assassination out using that type
of thinking.

Lone Nutters will make up any excuse to defend their wacky theory. "Things
were so rushed, that it took them 5 minutes to get JFK from the car to the
ER." Yeah, sure, kid.

Who said "5 minutes"?
The accounts of the people who were there say agents had to rush in to get
the stretchers, then come out; then they had to get Connally out, then
they had to get to JFK, then they had to convince Jackie to let him go,
then they had to put him on the stretcher, then they had to bring him in.
You think all of that happened in less than a minute. I disagree.
The ER Registration Form - not a hearsay account by someone who got that
from an unknown person - reads 12:38 as the time JFK was admitted. If it
took them 3-4 minutes to get to Parkland and another 3-4 to get him to ER
that equals 12:38. We are dealing with rough timelines.
You cite as your definitive evidence the 12:43 time given by Clark. But
you admit that it was probably given to Clark by another unnamed person.
So, your time is based on hearsay from someone we don't even know. How
reliable was that person? We don't know since we don't know who it was. Or
if there "was" a person; perhaps Clark read it somewhere.
If you think that's solid, definitive evidence of his arrival then that is
simply not the way I look at evidence.
Now go and tell us how Greer shot JFK and how Sandy Hook was a false flag
operation done by the government. I assume you probably believe Greer shot
those kids too, right?

Curry broadcast this at 12:34 (DPD time): "Keep everything out of this
emergency entrance."
I assume by "this" he meant the one he was at: Parkland.
That's the first indicator on the tapes of when they arrived at Parkland.
So, that's approximately a four minute ride/journey from Dealey to
Parkland.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/

A good find. Curry has to be referring to his arrival at Parkland. I don't
know of any other "emergency entrance" he would be talking about at 12:34,
four minutes after Oswald's shots in Dealey. Mark

Curry was driving the presidential limo? Why were the DPD cutting traffic
to Hines and Industrial AFTER Curry arrived at Parkland?

I have no idea what you're talking about, as usual. Curry, as you well
know, was in the white Ford that led the motorcade. But it didn't lead the
way to Parkland Hospital. He got there AFTER JFK's limo. So perhaps Curry
arrived at Parkland about 30 to 45 seconds later. Again that puts the
Limo, which was ahead of him, arriving at around 12:34 or 12:35.
"Chief Curry's Ford was equipped with a souped-up engine, but it couldn't
match the powerful machines of SS 100 X and Halfback."
Page 161 of Manchester's DEATH OF A PRESIDENT
Mark

Why are these hot rods going so slowly on Stemmons Freeway, as the Miller
photo indicates?

that only shows the beginning of the freeway after they had just made
the turn. They could not take the turn at 80 MPH.

http://www.dallasfreeways.com/dfwfreeways/pdf/Dallas-Fort-Worth-Freeways-book-05-20140803.pdf
Scroll down to the Volkland photo on page 155, and read the text
underneath it. It puts the photo in its proper context.
The Miller photo, taken as they approached the exit off of Stemmons, is on
page 157. Mark

This photo from google maps shows the bend in the road before the Miller
photo was taken. The red star is the approximate location of JFK's car.
There would be no reason to slow down for this "turn."

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

It couldn't be both? That is: a hurried event AND difficulty/delay in
getting JFK to the ER?
The accounts by people who were there support this: they rushed to
Parkland and once there, in a confused and hectic environment, things
slowed down. Agents went in to get stretchers, then they came out with
them, Connally had to be removed first to get to JFK, then Jackie refused
to let them get to JFK, they placed a coat over his head, they got him
out, then they rushed in.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts where there
is no evidence of any delay. In fact, just the opposite; they were worried
about the limo running them over. If a delay took place it was AFTER they
arrived at the entrance at Parkland.
Your entire theory is based on Clark's observation as to a 12:43 arrival
at the ER. But he testified that he got to the ER about 12:30 and JFK was
already being attended to. Which time to believe?
Your response was to say Clark heard the 12:43 "from somebody." And then
you use that "somebody" to give a definitive time on arrival. Even though
that "somebody" is unknown.
You're using an unknown witness who gave an account to Clark and then
using Clark's conflicting time as the basis for the delay.
Boy, you're never going to figure this assassination out using that type
of thinking.

Lone Nutters will make up any excuse to defend their wacky theory. "Things
were so rushed, that it took them 5 minutes to get JFK from the car to the
ER." Yeah, sure, kid.

Who said "5 minutes"?
The accounts of the people who were there say agents had to rush in to get
the stretchers, then come out; then they had to get Connally out, then
they had to get to JFK, then they had to convince Jackie to let him go,
then they had to put him on the stretcher, then they had to bring him in.
You think all of that happened in less than a minute. I disagree.
The ER Registration Form - not a hearsay account by someone who got that
from an unknown person - reads 12:38 as the time JFK was admitted. If it
took them 3-4 minutes to get to Parkland and another 3-4 to get him to ER
that equals 12:38. We are dealing with rough timelines.
You cite as your definitive evidence the 12:43 time given by Clark. But
you admit that it was probably given to Clark by another unnamed person.
So, your time is based on hearsay from someone we don't even know. How
reliable was that person? We don't know since we don't know who it was. Or
if there "was" a person; perhaps Clark read it somewhere.
If you think that's solid, definitive evidence of his arrival then that is
simply not the way I look at evidence.
Now go and tell us how Greer shot JFK and how Sandy Hook was a false flag
operation done by the government. I assume you probably believe Greer shot
those kids too, right?

Curry broadcast this at 12:34 (DPD time): "Keep everything out of this
emergency entrance."
I assume by "this" he meant the one he was at: Parkland.
That's the first indicator on the tapes of when they arrived at Parkland.
So, that's approximately a four minute ride/journey from Dealey to
Parkland.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/

A good find. Curry has to be referring to his arrival at Parkland. I don't
know of any other "emergency entrance" he would be talking about at 12:34,
four minutes after Oswald's shots in Dealey. Mark

Curry was driving the presidential limo? Why were the DPD cutting traffic
to Hines and Industrial AFTER Curry arrived at Parkland?

I have no idea what you're talking about, as usual. Curry, as you well
know, was in the white Ford that led the motorcade. But it didn't lead the
way to Parkland Hospital. He got there AFTER JFK's limo. So perhaps Curry
arrived at Parkland about 30 to 45 seconds later. Again that puts the
Limo, which was ahead of him, arriving at around 12:34 or 12:35.
"Chief Curry's Ford was equipped with a souped-up engine, but it couldn't
match the powerful machines of SS 100 X and Halfback."
Page 161 of Manchester's DEATH OF A PRESIDENT
Mark

Why are these hot rods going so slowly on Stemmons Freeway, as the Miller
photo indicates?

that only shows the beginning of the freeway after they had just made
the turn. They could not take the turn at 80 MPH.

http://www.dallasfreeways.com/dfwfreeways/pdf/Dallas-Fort-Worth-Freeways-book-05-20140803.pdf

Thanks. That is excellent work. I have never seen that before. I like how
he put little icons of a camera to mark where the photographers were. It
is a little hard to put the 3 dimensional objects on a 2 dimensional map,
but he did a good job using icons for the signs. I have not spotted any
obvious errors, but I plan to read it in full today.

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Scroll down to the Volkland photo on page 155, and read the text
underneath it. It puts the photo in its proper context.
The Miller photo, taken as they approached the exit off of Stemmons, is on
page 157. Mark

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

It couldn't be both? That is: a hurried event AND difficulty/delay in
getting JFK to the ER?
The accounts by people who were there support this: they rushed to
Parkland and once there, in a confused and hectic environment, things
slowed down. Agents went in to get stretchers, then they came out with
them, Connally had to be removed first to get to JFK, then Jackie refused
to let them get to JFK, they placed a coat over his head, they got him
out, then they rushed in.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts where there
is no evidence of any delay. In fact, just the opposite; they were worried
about the limo running them over. If a delay took place it was AFTER they
arrived at the entrance at Parkland.
Your entire theory is based on Clark's observation as to a 12:43 arrival
at the ER. But he testified that he got to the ER about 12:30 and JFK was
already being attended to. Which time to believe?
Your response was to say Clark heard the 12:43 "from somebody." And then
you use that "somebody" to give a definitive time on arrival. Even though
that "somebody" is unknown.
You're using an unknown witness who gave an account to Clark and then
using Clark's conflicting time as the basis for the delay.
Boy, you're never going to figure this assassination out using that type
of thinking.

Lone Nutters will make up any excuse to defend their wacky theory. "Things
were so rushed, that it took them 5 minutes to get JFK from the car to the
ER." Yeah, sure, kid.

Who said "5 minutes"?
The accounts of the people who were there say agents had to rush in to get
the stretchers, then come out; then they had to get Connally out, then
they had to get to JFK, then they had to convince Jackie to let him go,
then they had to put him on the stretcher, then they had to bring him in.
You think all of that happened in less than a minute. I disagree.
The ER Registration Form - not a hearsay account by someone who got that
from an unknown person - reads 12:38 as the time JFK was admitted. If it
took them 3-4 minutes to get to Parkland and another 3-4 to get him to ER
that equals 12:38. We are dealing with rough timelines.
You cite as your definitive evidence the 12:43 time given by Clark. But
you admit that it was probably given to Clark by another unnamed person.
So, your time is based on hearsay from someone we don't even know. How
reliable was that person? We don't know since we don't know who it was. Or
if there "was" a person; perhaps Clark read it somewhere.
If you think that's solid, definitive evidence of his arrival then that is
simply not the way I look at evidence.
Now go and tell us how Greer shot JFK and how Sandy Hook was a false flag
operation done by the government. I assume you probably believe Greer shot
those kids too, right?

Curry broadcast this at 12:34 (DPD time): "Keep everything out of this
emergency entrance."
I assume by "this" he meant the one he was at: Parkland.
That's the first indicator on the tapes of when they arrived at Parkland.
So, that's approximately a four minute ride/journey from Dealey to
Parkland.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/

A good find. Curry has to be referring to his arrival at Parkland. I don't
know of any other "emergency entrance" he would be talking about at 12:34,
four minutes after Oswald's shots in Dealey. Mark

Curry was driving the presidential limo? Why were the DPD cutting traffic
to Hines and Industrial AFTER Curry arrived at Parkland?

I have no idea what you're talking about, as usual. Curry, as you well
know, was in the white Ford that led the motorcade. But it didn't lead the
way to Parkland Hospital. He got there AFTER JFK's limo. So perhaps Curry
arrived at Parkland about 30 to 45 seconds later. Again that puts the
Limo, which was ahead of him, arriving at around 12:34 or 12:35.
"Chief Curry's Ford was equipped with a souped-up engine, but it couldn't
match the powerful machines of SS 100 X and Halfback."
Page 161 of Manchester's DEATH OF A PRESIDENT
Mark

Why are these hot rods going so slowly on Stemmons Freeway, as the Miller
photo indicates?

that only shows the beginning of the freeway after they had just made
the turn. They could not take the turn at 80 MPH.

http://www.dallasfreeways.com/dfwfreeways/pdf/Dallas-Fort-Worth-Freeways-book-05-20140803.pdf

Thanks. That is excellent work. I have never seen that before. I like how
he put little icons of a camera to mark where the photographers were. It
is a little hard to put the 3 dimensional objects on a 2 dimensional map,
but he did a good job using icons for the signs. I have not spotted any
obvious errors, but I plan to read it in full today.

It is interesting. I thought I had seen all the photos, but some of these
are new to me.

The 1967 photo of the film crew is one. I never knew about an abandoned
film titled "Countdown in Dallas."

The camera icons are very helpful. Mark

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

It couldn't be both? That is: a hurried event AND difficulty/delay in
getting JFK to the ER?
The accounts by people who were there support this: they rushed to
Parkland and once there, in a confused and hectic environment, things
slowed down. Agents went in to get stretchers, then they came out with
them, Connally had to be removed first to get to JFK, then Jackie refused
to let them get to JFK, they placed a coat over his head, they got him
out, then they rushed in.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts where there
is no evidence of any delay. In fact, just the opposite; they were worried
about the limo running them over. If a delay took place it was AFTER they
arrived at the entrance at Parkland.
Your entire theory is based on Clark's observation as to a 12:43 arrival
at the ER. But he testified that he got to the ER about 12:30 and JFK was
already being attended to. Which time to believe?
Your response was to say Clark heard the 12:43 "from somebody." And then
you use that "somebody" to give a definitive time on arrival. Even though
that "somebody" is unknown.
You're using an unknown witness who gave an account to Clark and then
using Clark's conflicting time as the basis for the delay.
Boy, you're never going to figure this assassination out using that type
of thinking.

Lone Nutters will make up any excuse to defend their wacky theory. "Things
were so rushed, that it took them 5 minutes to get JFK from the car to the
ER." Yeah, sure, kid.

Who said "5 minutes"?
The accounts of the people who were there say agents had to rush in to get
the stretchers, then come out; then they had to get Connally out, then
they had to get to JFK, then they had to convince Jackie to let him go,
then they had to put him on the stretcher, then they had to bring him in.
You think all of that happened in less than a minute. I disagree.
The ER Registration Form - not a hearsay account by someone who got that
from an unknown person - reads 12:38 as the time JFK was admitted. If it
took them 3-4 minutes to get to Parkland and another 3-4 to get him to ER
that equals 12:38. We are dealing with rough timelines.
You cite as your definitive evidence the 12:43 time given by Clark. But
you admit that it was probably given to Clark by another unnamed person.
So, your time is based on hearsay from someone we don't even know. How
reliable was that person? We don't know since we don't know who it was. Or
if there "was" a person; perhaps Clark read it somewhere.
If you think that's solid, definitive evidence of his arrival then that is
simply not the way I look at evidence.
Now go and tell us how Greer shot JFK and how Sandy Hook was a false flag
operation done by the government. I assume you probably believe Greer shot
those kids too, right?

Curry broadcast this at 12:34 (DPD time): "Keep everything out of this
emergency entrance."
I assume by "this" he meant the one he was at: Parkland.
That's the first indicator on the tapes of when they arrived at Parkland.
So, that's approximately a four minute ride/journey from Dealey to
Parkland.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/

A good find. Curry has to be referring to his arrival at Parkland. I don't
know of any other "emergency entrance" he would be talking about at 12:34,
four minutes after Oswald's shots in Dealey. Mark

Of course, but 12:34 on the dispatcher's radio might be 12:35 in the
real world.

[Mark]

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

O yes! Of course! We are dealing with a RUSHED ENVIRONMENT that took
several minutes to move the president from his car to the ER. Nutters will
believe ANYTHING!

It couldn't be both? That is: a hurried event AND difficulty/delay in
getting JFK to the ER?
The accounts by people who were there support this: they rushed to
Parkland and once there, in a confused and hectic environment, things
slowed down. Agents went in to get stretchers, then they came out with
them, Connally had to be removed first to get to JFK, then Jackie refused
to let them get to JFK, they placed a coat over his head, they got him
out, then they rushed in.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts where there
is no evidence of any delay. In fact, just the opposite; they were worried
about the limo running them over. If a delay took place it was AFTER they
arrived at the entrance at Parkland.
Your entire theory is based on Clark's observation as to a 12:43 arrival
at the ER. But he testified that he got to the ER about 12:30 and JFK was
already being attended to. Which time to believe?
Your response was to say Clark heard the 12:43 "from somebody." And then
you use that "somebody" to give a definitive time on arrival. Even though
that "somebody" is unknown.
You're using an unknown witness who gave an account to Clark and then
using Clark's conflicting time as the basis for the delay.
Boy, you're never going to figure this assassination out using that type
of thinking.

Lone Nutters will make up any excuse to defend their wacky theory. "Things
were so rushed, that it took them 5 minutes to get JFK from the car to the
ER." Yeah, sure, kid.

Who said "5 minutes"?
The accounts of the people who were there say agents had to rush in to get
the stretchers, then come out; then they had to get Connally out, then
they had to get to JFK, then they had to convince Jackie to let him go,
then they had to put him on the stretcher, then they had to bring him in.
You think all of that happened in less than a minute. I disagree.
The ER Registration Form - not a hearsay account by someone who got that
from an unknown person - reads 12:38 as the time JFK was admitted. If it
took them 3-4 minutes to get to Parkland and another 3-4 to get him to ER
that equals 12:38. We are dealing with rough timelines.
You cite as your definitive evidence the 12:43 time given by Clark. But
you admit that it was probably given to Clark by another unnamed person.
So, your time is based on hearsay from someone we don't even know. How
reliable was that person? We don't know since we don't know who it was. Or
if there "was" a person; perhaps Clark read it somewhere.
If you think that's solid, definitive evidence of his arrival then that is
simply not the way I look at evidence.
Now go and tell us how Greer shot JFK and how Sandy Hook was a false flag
operation done by the government. I assume you probably believe Greer shot
those kids too, right?

Curry broadcast this at 12:34 (DPD time): "Keep everything out of this
emergency entrance."
I assume by "this" he meant the one he was at: Parkland.
That's the first indicator on the tapes of when they arrived at Parkland.
So, that's approximately a four minute ride/journey from Dealey to
Parkland.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/

A good find. Curry has to be referring to his arrival at Parkland. I don't
know of any other "emergency entrance" he would be talking about at 12:34,
four minutes after Oswald's shots in Dealey. Mark

Of course, but 12:34 on the dispatcher's radio might be 12:35 in the
real world.

That could be. Mark

[Mark]

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

I agree. Your times have to be about right. Between four and five minutes
to get to Parkland, and then probably at least two to first get Connally
removed from the limo and then for Mrs. Kennedy to allow JFK to be taken
inside.

Not only was it a rushed environment, it was a emotionally charged one as
well, which can also dull people's sense of time.

These are people -- and I'm talking about Parkland employees too -- acting
and remembering as people do in extremis. CTs don't seem to understand
human nature. Mark

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

I agree. Your times have to be about right. Between four and five minutes
to get to Parkland, and then probably at least two to first get Connally
removed from the limo and then for Mrs. Kennedy to allow JFK to be taken
inside.
Not only was it a rushed environment, it was a emotionally charged one as
well, which can also dull people's sense of time.
These are people -- and I'm talking about Parkland employees too -- acting
and remembering as people do in extremis. CTs don't seem to understand
human nature. Mark

So you just smear everyone?
I have been making the same points and ridiculing his silly theory. He
does not represent anyone else but himself.

[19efppp]

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Post by 19efppp
The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

I agree. Your times have to be about right. Between four and five minutes
to get to Parkland, and then probably at least two to first get Connally
removed from the limo and then for Mrs. Kennedy to allow JFK to be taken
inside.
Not only was it a rushed environment, it was a emotionally charged one as
well, which can also dull people's sense of time.
These are people -- and I'm talking about Parkland employees too -- acting
and remembering as people do in extremis. CTs don't seem to understand
human nature. Mark

So you just smear everyone?
I have been making the same points and ridiculing his silly theory. He
does not represent anyone else but himself.

Yes. You have been ridiculing my theory. Thast's what you do, and that's
why I ridicule your wacky theory about Jackie murdering JFK. You also
misrepresent the theories you ridicule. That's why I say it was Clint
Hill's farts on the Dictabelt recording, not Jackie's sobbing. How could
you accuse sweet lovely Jackie?

[Anthony Marsh]

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The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

I agree. Your times have to be about right. Between four and five minutes
to get to Parkland, and then probably at least two to first get Connally
removed from the limo and then for Mrs. Kennedy to allow JFK to be taken
inside.
Not only was it a rushed environment, it was a emotionally charged one as
well, which can also dull people's sense of time.
These are people -- and I'm talking about Parkland employees too -- acting
and remembering as people do in extremis. CTs don't seem to understand
human nature. Mark

So you just smear everyone?
I have been making the same points and ridiculing his silly theory. He
does not represent anyone else but himself.

Yes. You have been ridiculing my theory. Thast's what you do, and that's
why I ridicule your wacky theory about Jackie murdering JFK. You also

So proclaim that it wasn't a wacky theory? YOU believe it. It is not MY
theory. Stop your slander. It is an example of one of the many wacky
theories I have heard.

Post by 19efppp
misrepresent the theories you ridicule. That's why I say it was Clint
Hill's farts on the Dictabelt recording, not Jackie's sobbing. How could
you accuse sweet lovely Jackie?

[19efppp]

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Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by Mark

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by Mark

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Post by 19efppp
The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

I agree. Your times have to be about right. Between four and five minutes
to get to Parkland, and then probably at least two to first get Connally
removed from the limo and then for Mrs. Kennedy to allow JFK to be taken
inside.
Not only was it a rushed environment, it was a emotionally charged one as
well, which can also dull people's sense of time.
These are people -- and I'm talking about Parkland employees too -- acting
and remembering as people do in extremis. CTs don't seem to understand
human nature. Mark

So you just smear everyone?
I have been making the same points and ridiculing his silly theory. He
does not represent anyone else but himself.

Yes. You have been ridiculing my theory. Thast's what you do, and that's
why I ridicule your wacky theory about Jackie murdering JFK. You also

So proclaim that it wasn't a wacky theory? YOU believe it. It is not MY
theory. Stop your slander. It is an example of one of the many wacky
theories I have heard.

Post by 19efppp
misrepresent the theories you ridicule. That's why I say it was Clint
Hill's farts on the Dictabelt recording, not Jackie's sobbing. How could
you accuse sweet lovely Jackie?

No need to be embarrassed by your whack theory, Marsh. Some people
actually believed that Trump conspired with Putin to defeat Hillary, and
they're not embarrassed. I think you and Rachel would make a lovely
couple. Much happiness to you both!

[Anthony Marsh]

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Post by 19efppp
The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

Re Burkley: You are correct. That was *Clark's* time not Burkley's.
Burkley said he arrived in the ER about five minutes after JFK arrived.
But he didn't say when that was.
I would consider the registration times, which presumably were
contemporaneous, more accurate than post hoc recollections unless they,
e.g., Clark, wrote it down. Note that several witnesses said there was a
black boy who was bleeding profusely from the mouth and was accompanied by
a "hysterical" mother who had been admitted at or near the same time JFK
was. In the registration book you can see the time given for the
apparently boy: 12:38. I assume it was the same boy.
Re the time it took to bring JFK in: Again, according to the accounts I've
read, Mrs. Kennedy refused to give up JFK. They needed to talk her into
doing so.
So, they had to get the stretchers out, remove Connally, get Mrs. Kennedy
to give up JFK, get JFK out, and bring him in.
I think that takes more than one minute.
Finally, if you think this was some sort of delay to ensure JFK's death
then it really does show, again, the conspiracy oriented mindset that
afflicts your thinking.

Again, you don't understand what I am saying. It was not a delay to insure
JFK's death. He was dead in Dealey Plaza. You show your own calcified
thinking processes by insisting that I am saying something that I am not
saying. What I am saying is that the ride took longer than it should have.

Let's say you're right.
The question then is: WHY did it take "longer than it should have"? Mark

Remember: He thinks Greer shot JFK. Then he is upset that I asked him - I
wrote "If you believe... - whether he thinks this alleged delay was
designed to ensure that JFK was dead.
As to the question: I don't think there was any delay in the journey from
Elm to Parkland. They got there about 12:33 or 12:34. Then it took several
minutes to get JFK to the ER. The ER registration says 12:38. According to
eyewitnesses, a boy who was bleeding heavily and who was accompanied by a
hysterical mother was also admitted at the same time. The noise drew
attention of several people. His name was entered at 12:38, right below
JFK's.
The motorcycle officers who accompanied the limo gave accounts that
support a "no delay" scenario. They say they rushed to Parkland and that
several were worried about being hit by the limo because it was right on
their rear bumper.
We're dealing with a rushed environment with people's memories as to times
inconsistent and contradictory. That's understandable.

I agree. Your times have to be about right. Between four and five minutes
to get to Parkland, and then probably at least two to first get Connally
removed from the limo and then for Mrs. Kennedy to allow JFK to be taken
inside.
Not only was it a rushed environment, it was a emotionally charged one as
well, which can also dull people's sense of time.
These are people -- and I'm talking about Parkland employees too -- acting
and remembering as people do in extremis. CTs don't seem to understand
human nature. Mark

So you just smear everyone?
I have been making the same points and ridiculing his silly theory. He
does not represent anyone else but himself.

Yes. You have been ridiculing my theory. Thast's what you do, and that's
why I ridicule your wacky theory about Jackie murdering JFK. You also

So proclaim that it wasn't a wacky theory? YOU believe it. It is not MY
theory. Stop your slander. It is an example of one of the many wacky
theories I have heard.

Post by 19efppp
misrepresent the theories you ridicule. That's why I say it was Clint
Hill's farts on the Dictabelt recording, not Jackie's sobbing. How could
you accuse sweet lovely Jackie?

No need to be embarrassed by your whack theory, Marsh. Some people
actually believed that Trump conspired with Putin to defeat Hillary, and
they're not embarrassed. I think you and Rachel would make a lovely
couple. Much happiness to you both!

your comments here get more bizarre every day. Rachel is a married woman
and she's gay.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Post by 19efppp

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by 19efppp
The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

My error: I attributed that to Burkley when I should have attributed it to
Clark.

I responded to this on the original thread.

I'll just note that several of the police motorcycle officers who
lead/accompanied the limo gave accounts supporting the view that the limo
did not slow down. In fact, they were worried that it was too close to
them and that if they had to slow as they turned that they could get hit
or run over.

[19efppp]

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by 19efppp

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by 19efppp
The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

I don't know where you get Burkley giving a time. The Price exhibits start
with a letter written to Burkley by Price. Apparently, it is Dr. Clark, in
the summary that follows the letter, who first states the 12:43 time. His
signature line appears at the bottom of that summary, but there is no
signature on this copy. And this letter does say that JFK arrived at the
ER at 12:43, so one might think that was after he was brought in and not
when the car pulled up.
But the next page, which has no attribution of authorship, gives the 12:43
time crossed out and corrected by Price to 12:38. And it says, "The
President arrived in the Emergency Room at exactly 12:43 p.m. in his
limousine." Apparently the writer means that's when the limo arrived at
that, but Arlen Specter did not care, even though he had Price in front of
him to clarify things.
Mr. SPECTER. And below that, another summary sheet which bears the corrected
notation, with your signature over it, that the President arrived at the
emergency room at exactly 12:38 p.m., with 12:43 scratched out?
Mr. PRICE. That's correct.
Not only does he not care who wrote "exactly 12:43," he doesn't even ask
Price why it was "corrected" to 12:38. Price corrected it, and he is
sitting right there. But Specter doesn't ask him. Why even bring up the
time?
Dr. Clark probably did not write the "exactly 12:43" time, as according to
his testimony, he was not there when the president arrived. Clark told
Specter that he himself arrived at "approximately 12:30," after having
been called to the scene. Specter does not ask Clark about the 12:43 time
in his letter to Burkley. One might argue that the time doesn't matter,
but then why does Specter deal with it at all?
You think 3-5 minutes from the limo to the ER is reasonable? I think
that's ridiculous. It might seem like 3-5 minutes, but more than a minute
is ridiculous.
12:38 is the registration time, but that same sheet has Connally at 12:40,
and, as you say, Connally went in first. So apparently, these registration
times shouldn't be taken too seriously.
My 3 minute ride derives from my 3-4 minute ride, which is what I said
first in the other thread. 3.4 miles from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
Hospital. An emergency ride with police escort, Stemmons highway to Hines
to Parkland should take 3 to 4 minutes tops. I believe Greer has said that
he was going really fast, about 50 mph, which I think is ridiculously
slow. Most of the distance is on the freeway, and he should have been
going at least 60. Slower on Hines, but I still think 3 to 4 minutes is
what should be expected for the whole trip. It's not like they had to stop
for any lights.

My error: I attributed that to Burkley when I should have attributed it to
Clark.
I responded to this on the original thread.
I'll just note that several of the police motorcycle officers who
lead/accompanied the limo gave accounts supporting the view that the limo
did not slow down. In fact, they were worried that it was too close to
them and that if they had to slow as they turned that they could get hit
or run over.

OK. Now that you know the route taken actually is 3.4 miles, perhaps you
can tell me how long the ride should have taken.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by 19efppp
The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

Here's Bugliosi's account:

He heads the section with the time as: 12:38 p.m.

"The emergency room is sheer bedlam. Roy Kellerman, moving as quickly as
he can, enters a doctor's office and asks the medic there, "Can I use
either one of these phones to get outside?"
"Yes, just pick one up."
Kellerman calls Gerald Behn, chief of the Secret Service White House
detail, in Washington. "Gerry...the president and the governor have been
shot. We're in the emergency room of Parkland Memorial Hospital. Mark down
the time." Kellerman notes it as 12:38. Behn at 12:41 p.m. Officially the
president is logged into the hospital register at 12:38 p.m. as "No.24740,
Kennedy, John F."

[19efppp]

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by 19efppp
The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

He heads the section with the time as: 12:38 p.m.
"The emergency room is sheer bedlam. Roy Kellerman, moving as quickly as
he can, enters a doctor's office and asks the medic there, "Can I use
either one of these phones to get outside?"
"Yes, just pick one up."
Kellerman calls Gerald Behn, chief of the Secret Service White House
detail, in Washington. "Gerry...the president and the governor have been
shot. We're in the emergency room of Parkland Memorial Hospital. Mark down
the time." Kellerman notes it as 12:38. Behn at 12:41 p.m. Officially the
president is logged into the hospital register at 12:38 p.m. as "No.24740,
Kennedy, John F."

Bugliosi was in Dallas? Maybe he shot JFK.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by 19efppp
The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

He heads the section with the time as: 12:38 p.m.
"The emergency room is sheer bedlam. Roy Kellerman, moving as quickly as
he can, enters a doctor's office and asks the medic there, "Can I use
either one of these phones to get outside?"
"Yes, just pick one up."
Kellerman calls Gerald Behn, chief of the Secret Service White House
detail, in Washington. "Gerry...the president and the governor have been
shot. We're in the emergency room of Parkland Memorial Hospital. Mark down
the time." Kellerman notes it as 12:38. Behn at 12:41 p.m. Officially the
president is logged into the hospital register at 12:38 p.m. as "No.24740,
Kennedy, John F."

Here are three accounts from some of the motorcycle officers who
accompanied the limo to the hospital. Two of them - Ellis and Lumpkin -
said they were ahead of the limo and lead it to Parkland and that it was
right behind them. None mention it lagging behind while they led it to
Parkland. In fact, Ellis says he was "teed off" that it was so close to
him. These are accounts taken from "No More Silence."

Lumpkin: "We were going fast, very fast. I'm going to say we might have
hit speeds up to 80-85 m.p.h on Stemmons....I saw the limousine behind us,
and I noticed this Secret Service man hanging on the back of it...When we
got to Hines, there was a railroad track, and I know that I got
airborne...I knew that if I went down I'd probably get run over...

Ellis: "Chaney and I took the Stemmons Freeway and exited onto the service
road to Industrial..As we sped by where he was to give his speech at the
Trade Mart on Industrial, Segreant Striegel was otu there trying to flag
us down...Of course, we were going Code 3 and they didn't know we were
headed to the hospital...As we approached Harry Hines, it was almost a
square turn...All I could see what that big,tall green bank and hoping I'd
stay on the ground going around that..Chaney and I were side by side and
the President's car right on my tail. I was kind of teed off at that agent
for staying so close. Chaney would look back, and I'd look back; we'd
speed up and look back and there he was on our back bumper. I don't care
how fast we went the bumper of the President's car looked like it was
right behind us..

Bobby Joe Dale: "I caught up to the limousine on Stemmons somewhere around
Continental to the Industrial exit running fast. I wasn't paying attention
to speed, but by the way the motor was acting, I'd say it was doing 70.

[Anthony Marsh]

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by 19efppp
The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

He heads the section with the time as: 12:38 p.m.
"The emergency room is sheer bedlam. Roy Kellerman, moving as quickly as
he can, enters a doctor's office and asks the medic there, "Can I use
either one of these phones to get outside?"
"Yes, just pick one up."
Kellerman calls Gerald Behn, chief of the Secret Service White House
detail, in Washington. "Gerry...the president and the governor have been
shot. We're in the emergency room of Parkland Memorial Hospital. Mark down
the time." Kellerman notes it as 12:38. Behn at 12:41 p.m. Officially the
president is logged into the hospital register at 12:38 p.m. as "No.24740,
Kennedy, John F."

That is a fe minutes after the limo got to Parkland. It took them a few
minutes to get JFK out of the limo because Jackie would not left him go.

[19efppp]

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by 19efppp
The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

He heads the section with the time as: 12:38 p.m.
"The emergency room is sheer bedlam. Roy Kellerman, moving as quickly as
he can, enters a doctor's office and asks the medic there, "Can I use
either one of these phones to get outside?"
"Yes, just pick one up."
Kellerman calls Gerald Behn, chief of the Secret Service White House
detail, in Washington. "Gerry...the president and the governor have been
shot. We're in the emergency room of Parkland Memorial Hospital. Mark down
the time." Kellerman notes it as 12:38. Behn at 12:41 p.m. Officially the
president is logged into the hospital register at 12:38 p.m. as "No.24740,
Kennedy, John F."

That is a fe minutes after the limo got to Parkland. It took them a few
minutes to get JFK out of the limo because Jackie would not left him go.

So you are claiming that Jackie murdered JFK. Interesting theory, but is
it scientific? What is this account based upon? Witness testimony? I'm
surprised at you, Marsh! I thought part of your science was never to rely
on witnesses. Or maybe, since you think the open mic went to Parkland,
perhaps you and your scientists have isolated Jackie's sobbing on the
Dictabelt recording. With a 99.9% probability that it wasn't really just
Clint Hill farting out his late-nite refried beans. I don't know about
this new theory of yours. I think I like the cancer viruses in David
Ferrie's bathtub. Yes, I'll go with that one.

[Anthony Marsh]

Post by 19efppp

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by Steve M. Galbraith

Post by 19efppp
The evidence introduced by Steve M. Galbraith (the Price exhibits)
suggests that JFK arrived at Parkland Hospital at 12:43, making the 3
minute ride to Parkland a whopping 12 minutes!
http://i63.tinypic.com/11hdyy8.jpg
I think this is relevant and interesting, even if Steve would rather just
insult me with his psychobabble. Did Greer and Kellerman stop at the DQ
for banana splits?

The accounts provided in that link (the Price Exhibits) as to the time of
JFK's arrival are at odds. E.g., the Emergency Room Registration has JFK
arriving at 12:38. Apparently that's arriving to the ER and not to the
hospital itself.
Burkley said that JFK arrived in the ER at 12:43. That's not the same as
arriving at the hospital. The accounts I've read said it took some time -
how much is a guess - to remove Connally first and then get Jackie to let
them get to JFK.
Say 3-5 minutes to get the stretchers out, get to JFK and bring him TO the
ER? Rolling it back gives us a rough 12:38 to 12:40 arrival at Parkland.
If he actually arrived at the ER at 12:38 (per the registration) then that
rolls it back to arriving at the hospital entrance at 12:33/12:35?
Question: What do you base your "3 minute ride" on?
In his WC testimony, Price described himself as the administrator for the
entire Dallas County hospital district. He was tasked by the hospital to
compile the reports/accounts.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/price_c.htm

He heads the section with the time as: 12:38 p.m.
"The emergency room is sheer bedlam. Roy Kellerman, moving as quickly as
he can, enters a doctor's office and asks the medic there, "Can I use
either one of these phones to get outside?"
"Yes, just pick one up."
Kellerman calls Gerald Behn, chief of the Secret Service White House
detail, in Washington. "Gerry...the president and the governor have been
shot. We're in the emergency room of Parkland Memorial Hospital. Mark down
the time." Kellerman notes it as 12:38. Behn at 12:41 p.m. Officially the
president is logged into the hospital register at 12:38 p.m. as "No.24740,
Kennedy, John F."

That is a fe minutes after the limo got to Parkland. It took them a few
minutes to get JFK out of the limo because Jackie would not left him go.

So you are claiming that Jackie murdered JFK. Interesting theory, but is

You have to be crazy to jump to that conclusion. I said nothing about
murder. You don't even want to hear the conspiracy theories that nuts
like you have which thhink that Jackie was the shooter.

Post by 19efppp
it scientific? What is this account based upon? Witness testimony? I'm
surprised at you, Marsh! I thought part of your science was never to rely

I never rely on witnesses. What witness said that Jackie killer her
husband? You are just making up crap for fun.

Post by 19efppp
on witnesses. Or maybe, since you think the open mic went to Parkland,
perhaps you and your scientists have isolated Jackie's sobbing on the

I tend to think that McLain got yo Parkland after the limo.

Post by 19efppp
Dictabelt recording. With a 99.9% probability that it wasn't really just
Clint Hill farting out his late-nite refried beans. I don't know about
this new theory of yours. I think I like the cancer viruses in David
Ferrie's bathtub. Yes, I'll go with that one.

I am not fan of the cancer virus theory involving David Ferrie.