Running Wireless and Wired eth connections at the same time

[sam]

Hi...

I have a laptop that's connected to the 'net via the wireless port. It
works. I also have the eth0 port that I use to connect to another box that's
not connected to the 'net...

so

internal box >>>>laptop >>>>> internet
(X) (Y)

X - eth0
Y - ath0

Each of the connections work.

My question, how do I set them up (if possible) so I can have them both
working at the same time. As it is now, it I have them both active, I can
only access the connections to the 1st one that was active..

The nics are on separate IP addresses..

I've been looking high/low to try to figure this out. I need to accomplish
this, as I'd like to update the internal computer with Fedora update rpms
via yum, which requires internet access.

thanks

[Timothy Murphy]

Post by sam
I have a laptop that's connected to the 'net via the wireless port. It
works. I also have the eth0 port that I use to connect to another box
that's not connected to the 'net...
so
internal box >>>>laptop >>>>> internet
(X) (Y)
X - eth0
Y - ath0
Each of the connections work.
My question, how do I set them up (if possible) so I can have them both
working at the same time. As it is now, it I have them both active, I can
only access the connections to the 1st one that was active..
The nics are on separate IP addresses..
I've been looking high/low to try to figure this out. I need to accomplish
this, as I'd like to update the internal computer with Fedora update rpms
via yum, which requires internet access.

I may not have understood the question,
but I would use two different subnets, say 192.168.1.* and 192.168.2.*
for the two connections.

If you are not using dhcp you can do this by specifying the IP addresses
in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-[ath0,eth0] .

I think many people have two (or more) connections active
on the same computer.

[sam]

Hi Tim.

Thanks. You understand! However, with setting up two subnets, I have the
issue of the internal server not being able to see anything but the laptop.
I'd like a way to be able to allow the internal box to access the internet
via the laptop's wireless connection...

the basic issue is I'm not sure how to configure the laptop, and the
internal server to allow the internal server to be able to access the
internet as well...

here's what i have so far.

Post by sam

dns

internal box <<<< >>>laptop >>>+>>> internet
192.168.2.99 (eth0) (ath0)
192.168.2.33 192.168.1.33

the laptop can access both the internal box, and the internet
the internal box can only access the laptop...

i'm trying to be able to allow the internal box to be able to access
everything that the laptop can...

thanks



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[mailto:fedora-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Timothy Murphy
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 7:35 PM
To: fedora-list at redhat.com
Subject: Re: Running Wireless and Wired eth connections at the same time

Post by sam
I have a laptop that's connected to the 'net via the wireless port. It
works. I also have the eth0 port that I use to connect to another box
that's not connected to the 'net...
so
internal box >>>>laptop >>>>> internet
(X) (Y)
X - eth0
Y - ath0
Each of the connections work.
My question, how do I set them up (if possible) so I can have them both
working at the same time. As it is now, it I have them both active, I can
only access the connections to the 1st one that was active..
The nics are on separate IP addresses..
I've been looking high/low to try to figure this out. I need to accomplish
this, as I'd like to update the internal computer with Fedora update rpms
via yum, which requires internet access.

I may not have understood the question,
but I would use two different subnets, say 192.168.1.* and 192.168.2.*
for the two connections.

If you are not using dhcp you can do this by specifying the IP addresses
in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-[ath0,eth0] .

I think many people have two (or more) connections active
on the same computer.

--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie
tel: [phone]
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland

[Adel ESSAFI]

Dear all
I am searching for 3d game for linux fedora? Is there any repo that
permits to directly install these game with yum?
Thanks
Adel

[Frank Cox]

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:09:38 +0200

Post by Adel ESSAFI
I am searching for 3d game for linux fedora? Is there any repo that
permits to directly install these game with yum?

The best one I've seen yet is this:

http://www.alienarena.org/

As far as I know, this game isn't yet in any of the yum repositories, but it's
easy to download, compile and get started blasting aliens.

[lostson]

Post by Adel ESSAFI
Dear all
I am searching for 3d game for linux fedora? Is there any repo that
permits to directly install these game with yum?
Thanks
Adel

Open Arena installs via yum and is a great game.
--
LostSon

http://www.lostsonsvault.org
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[Rahul Sundaram]

Post by lostson

Post by Adel ESSAFI
Dear all
I am searching for 3d game for linux fedora? Is there any repo that
permits to directly install these game with yum?
Thanks
Adel

Open Arena installs via yum and is a great game.

quake3, nexuiz, tremulous, vavoom, rott-shareware ...

Rahul

[Michael Wiktowy]

Post by lostson
Open Arena installs via yum and is a great game.

Which repo is it in? It doesn't seem to be in any of the default ones or Livna.

/Mike

[lostson]

Post by Michael Wiktowy

Post by lostson
Open Arena installs via yum and is a great game.

Which repo is it in? It doesn't seem to be in any of the default ones or Livna.
/Mike

Should be in the standard repo's if i do a yum search openarena it
comes up so a simple yum install openarena should work.
--
LostSon

http://www.lostsonsvault.org
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[Adel ESSAFI]

[root at esstt ~]# grep aren liste
openarena.i386 0.7.1-1.fc7 updates
openarena-data.i386 0.7.1-1.fc7 updates

Post by lostson

Post by Michael Wiktowy

Post by lostson
Open Arena installs via yum and is a great game.

Which repo is it in? It doesn't seem to be in any of the default ones or Livna.
/Mike

Should be in the standard repo's if i do a yum search openarena it
comes up so a simple yum install openarena should work.

[Michael Wiktowy]

Post by Adel ESSAFI

Post by lostson
Should be in the standard repo's if i do a yum search openarena it
comes up so a simple yum install openarena should work.

[root at esstt ~]# grep aren liste
openarena.i386 0.7.1-1.fc7 updates
openarena-data.i386 0.7.1-1.fc7 updates

Ya ... sorry ... when you wrote openarena I was reading Alien Arena.

I tried downloading Alien Arena but the binary does not run in F7 due
to needing older libcurl and libssl and the source doesn't build due
to some mystery devel requirements.

A shame since there was a bit of hype recently about it and wanted to
try it out..

I haven't tried openarena out yet.

/Mike

[Frank Cox]

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:42:11 -0400

Post by Michael Wiktowy
I tried downloading Alien Arena but the binary does not run in F7 due
to needing older libcurl and libssl and the source doesn't build due
to some mystery devel requirements.

Sure it does -- I compiled it and was playing it two or three days ago on this
F7 machine.

Any specific problems that you have when attempting to compile it?

[lostson]

Post by Frank Cox
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:42:11 -0400

Post by Michael Wiktowy
I tried downloading Alien Arena but the binary does not run in F7 due
to needing older libcurl and libssl and the source doesn't build due
to some mystery devel requirements.

Sure it does -- I compiled it and was playing it two or three days ago on this
F7 machine.
Any specific problems that you have when attempting to compile it?
--
MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com

I too run alien arena post some of your build failures and maybe we can
help. I am running a fully updated F7 here and it all works fine.
--
LostSon

http://www.lostsonsvault.org
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[Michael Wiktowy]

Post by Frank Cox
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:42:11 -0400

Post by Michael Wiktowy
I tried downloading Alien Arena but the binary does not run in F7 due
to needing older libcurl and libssl and the source doesn't build due
to some mystery devel requirements.

Sure it does -- I compiled it and was playing it two or three days ago on this
F7 machine.

You must have the mystery build requirements installed then. Are there
legal issues preventing someone from packaging this up and submitting
it to the regular repository so people can just yum it? Or is it just
a size issue for the mirrors since the download of the birnary+source
package was quite large?

Post by Frank Cox
Any specific problems that you have when attempting to compile it?

These are the messages output (I culled it so that it wouldn't be
huge) after it has compiled a few things after a make in the source
directory of the alienarena download:

In file included from client/cl_fx.c:24:
client/../ref_gl/qgl.h:31:19: error: GL/gl.h: No such file or directory
client/../ref_gl/qgl.h:35:20: error: GL/glx.h: No such file or directory
In file included from client/cl_fx.c:24:
client/../ref_gl/qgl.h:45: error: expected ')' before 'op'

... chopped about 500 similar lines ...

client/../ref_gl/qgl.h:574: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or
'__attribute__' before 'qglProgramLocalParameter4fARB'
client/cl_fx.c: In function 'CL_ParticleEffect':
client/cl_fx.c:518: error: 'GL_SRC_ALPHA' undeclared (first use in
this function)
client/cl_fx.c:518: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
client/cl_fx.c:518: error: for each function it appears in.)
client/cl_fx.c:519: error: 'GL_ONE_MINUS_SRC_ALPHA' undeclared (first
use in this function)

...

client/cl_fx.c:2718: error: 'GL_ONE_MINUS_SRC_ALPHA' undeclared (first
use in this function)
client/cl_fx.c: In function 'CL_BFGExplosionParticles':
client/cl_fx.c:2759: error: 'GL_SRC_ALPHA' undeclared (first use in
this function)
client/cl_fx.c:2760: error: 'GL_ONE' undeclared (first use in this function)
client/cl_fx.c: In function 'CL_TeleportParticles':
client/cl_fx.c:2810: error: 'GL_ONE' undeclared (first use in this function)
make[1]: *** [release/client/cl_fx.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mwiktowy/Download/alienarena2007/source'
make: *** [build-release] Error 2
[mwiktowy at localhost source]$

[Frank Cox]

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 00:07:17 -0400

Post by Michael Wiktowy

Post by Frank Cox
Any specific problems that you have when attempting to compile it?

These are the messages output (I culled it so that it wouldn't be
huge) after it has compiled a few things after a make in the source

yum install mesa-libGL-devel

[Peter Gordon]

Post by Michael Wiktowy
You must have the mystery build requirements installed then. Are there
legal issues preventing someone from packaging this up and submitting
it to the regular repository so people can just yum it? Or is it just
a size issue for the mirrors since the download of the birnary+source
package was quite large?

Good question. I'm quite certain that the size issue is irrelevant, since
we have many other huge packages (OpenOffice.org, Tremulous/Nexuiz data,
etc.) in the repository as well. I quickly took a peek at the source
tarball and the files all seem to be GPL. Maybe it's the data/artwork?

Post by Michael Wiktowy
client/../ref_gl/qgl.h:31:19: error: GL/gl.h: No such file or directory
client/../ref_gl/qgl.h:35:20: error: GL/glx.h: No such file or directory
client/../ref_gl/qgl.h:45: error: expected ')' before 'op'
[mwiktowy at localhost source]$

Looks like missing OpenGL headers. A `yum install mesa-libGL-devel` as root
should (hopefully) solve that issue.

[Michael Wiktowy]

Post by Peter Gordon
Looks like missing OpenGL headers. A `yum install mesa-libGL-devel` as root
should (hopefully) solve that issue.

It died again with a shorter message:

ref_gl/r_image.c:22:20: error: GL/glu.h: No such file or directory
ref_gl/r_image.c: In function 'GL_InitImages':
ref_gl/r_image.c:1691: warning: passing argument 2 of 'FS_LoadFile'
from incompatible pointer type
make[1]: *** [release/ref_gl/r_image.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mwiktowy/Download/alienarena2007/source'
make: *** [build-release] Error 2

So I yum install mesa-libGLU-devel and got a new set of errors:

ref_gl/r_main.c: In function 'R_DrawEntitiesOnList':
ref_gl/r_main.c:543: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type
ref_gl/r_main.c:595: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type
ref_gl/r_main.c: In function 'R_Init':
ref_gl/r_main.c:1828: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type
cc -Dstricmp=strcasecmp -D_stricmp=strcasecmp -I/usr/X11R6/include
-fno-strict-aliasing -fmerge-constants -DHAVE_CURL -O2
-fomit-frame-pointer -ftree-vectorize -fexpensive-optimizations
-march=i686 -fPIC -o release/ref_gl/r_mesh.o -c ref_gl/r_mesh.c
ref_gl/r_mesh.c: In function 'R_DrawAliasModel':
ref_gl/r_mesh.c:1003: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type
cc -Dstricmp=strcasecmp -D_stricmp=strcasecmp -I/usr/X11R6/include
-fno-strict-aliasing -fmerge-constants -DHAVE_CURL -O2
-fomit-frame-pointer -ftree-vectorize -fexpensive-optimizations
-march=i686 -fPIC -o release/ref_gl/r_misc.o -c ref_gl/r_misc.c
ref_gl/r_misc.c:30:21: error: jpeglib.h: No such file or directory
ref_gl/r_misc.c: In function 'GL_ScreenShot_JPEG':
ref_gl/r_misc.c:244: error: storage size of 'cinfo' isn't known
ref_gl/r_misc.c:245: error: storage size of 'jerr' isn't known
ref_gl/r_misc.c:247: error: 'JSAMPROW' undeclared (first use in this function)
ref_gl/r_misc.c:247: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
ref_gl/r_misc.c:247: error: for each function it appears in.)
ref_gl/r_misc.c:247: error: expected ';' before 's'
ref_gl/r_misc.c:303: error: 'JCS_RGB' undeclared (first use in this function)
ref_gl/r_misc.c:310: error: 'TRUE' undeclared (first use in this function)
ref_gl/r_misc.c:319: error: 's' undeclared (first use in this function)
make[1]: *** [release/ref_gl/r_misc.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mwiktowy/Download/alienarena2007/source'
make: *** [build-release] Error 2
[mwiktowy at localhost source]$

ugg ... this is worse than the rpm dependency hell that yum was
introduced to fix. I would guess that whatever gives me jpeglib.h
would bring me one step furhter but both "repoquery --whatprovides
jpeglib.h" and "yum search jpeglib" give nothing

... but a "repoquery --whatprovides *jpeglib*" was a bit more
revealing and mentioned libjpeg-devel (among others)

But this could go on and on so I give up for now since I need sleep
more than I need to kill aliens :]

/Mike

[Michael Wiktowy]

Post by Peter Gordon
Looks like missing OpenGL headers. A `yum install mesa-libGL-devel` as root
should (hopefully) solve that issue.

It died again with a shorter message:

ref_gl/r_image.c:22:20: error: GL/glu.h: No such file or directory
ref_gl/r_image.c: In function 'GL_InitImages':
ref_gl/r_image.c:1691: warning: passing argument 2 of 'FS_LoadFile'
from incompatible pointer type
make[1]: *** [release/ref_gl/r_image.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mwiktowy/Download/alienarena2007/source'
make: *** [build-release] Error 2

So I yum install mesa-libGLU-devel and got a new set of errors:

ref_gl/r_main.c: In function 'R_DrawEntitiesOnList':
ref_gl/r_main.c:543: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type
ref_gl/r_main.c:595: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type
ref_gl/r_main.c: In function 'R_Init':
ref_gl/r_main.c:1828: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type
cc -Dstricmp=strcasecmp -D_stricmp=strcasecmp -I/usr/X11R6/include
-fno-strict-aliasing -fmerge-constants -DHAVE_CURL -O2
-fomit-frame-pointer -ftree-vectorize -fexpensive-optimizations
-march=i686 -fPIC -o release/ref_gl/r_mesh.o -c ref_gl/r_mesh.c
ref_gl/r_mesh.c: In function 'R_DrawAliasModel':
ref_gl/r_mesh.c:1003: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type
cc -Dstricmp=strcasecmp -D_stricmp=strcasecmp -I/usr/X11R6/include
-fno-strict-aliasing -fmerge-constants -DHAVE_CURL -O2
-fomit-frame-pointer -ftree-vectorize -fexpensive-optimizations
-march=i686 -fPIC -o release/ref_gl/r_misc.o -c ref_gl/r_misc.c
ref_gl/r_misc.c:30:21: error: jpeglib.h: No such file or directory
ref_gl/r_misc.c: In function 'GL_ScreenShot_JPEG':
ref_gl/r_misc.c:244: error: storage size of 'cinfo' isn't known
ref_gl/r_misc.c:245: error: storage size of 'jerr' isn't known
ref_gl/r_misc.c:247: error: 'JSAMPROW' undeclared (first use in this function)
ref_gl/r_misc.c:247: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
ref_gl/r_misc.c:247: error: for each function it appears in.)
ref_gl/r_misc.c:247: error: expected ';' before 's'
ref_gl/r_misc.c:303: error: 'JCS_RGB' undeclared (first use in this function)
ref_gl/r_misc.c:310: error: 'TRUE' undeclared (first use in this function)
ref_gl/r_misc.c:319: error: 's' undeclared (first use in this function)
make[1]: *** [release/ref_gl/r_misc.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mwiktowy/Download/alienarena2007/source'
make: *** [build-release] Error 2
[mwiktowy at localhost source]$

ugg ... this is worse than the rpm dependency hell that yum was
introduced to fix. I would guess that whatever gives me jpeglib.h
would bring me one step furhter but both "repoquery --whatprovides
jpeglib.h" and "yum search jpeglib" give nothing

... but a "repoquery --whatprovides *jpeglib*" was a bit more
revealing and mentioned libjpeg-devel (among others)

But this could go on and on so I give up for now since I need sleep
more than I need to kill aliens :]

/Mike

[Frank Cox]

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 00:07:17 -0400

Post by Michael Wiktowy

Post by Frank Cox
Any specific problems that you have when attempting to compile it?

These are the messages output (I culled it so that it wouldn't be
huge) after it has compiled a few things after a make in the source

yum install mesa-libGL-devel

[Peter Gordon]

Post by Michael Wiktowy
You must have the mystery build requirements installed then. Are there
legal issues preventing someone from packaging this up and submitting
it to the regular repository so people can just yum it? Or is it just
a size issue for the mirrors since the download of the birnary+source
package was quite large?

Good question. I'm quite certain that the size issue is irrelevant, since
we have many other huge packages (OpenOffice.org, Tremulous/Nexuiz data,
etc.) in the repository as well. I quickly took a peek at the source
tarball and the files all seem to be GPL. Maybe it's the data/artwork?

Post by Michael Wiktowy
client/../ref_gl/qgl.h:31:19: error: GL/gl.h: No such file or directory
client/../ref_gl/qgl.h:35:20: error: GL/glx.h: No such file or directory
client/../ref_gl/qgl.h:45: error: expected ')' before 'op'
[mwiktowy at localhost source]$

Looks like missing OpenGL headers. A `yum install mesa-libGL-devel` as root
should (hopefully) solve that issue.

[lostson]

Post by Frank Cox
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:42:11 -0400

Post by Michael Wiktowy
I tried downloading Alien Arena but the binary does not run in F7 due
to needing older libcurl and libssl and the source doesn't build due
to some mystery devel requirements.

Sure it does -- I compiled it and was playing it two or three days ago on this
F7 machine.
Any specific problems that you have when attempting to compile it?
--
MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com

I too run alien arena post some of your build failures and maybe we can
help. I am running a fully updated F7 here and it all works fine.
--
LostSon

http://www.lostsonsvault.org
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[Michael Wiktowy]

Post by Frank Cox
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:42:11 -0400

Post by Michael Wiktowy
I tried downloading Alien Arena but the binary does not run in F7 due
to needing older libcurl and libssl and the source doesn't build due
to some mystery devel requirements.

Sure it does -- I compiled it and was playing it two or three days ago on this
F7 machine.

You must have the mystery build requirements installed then. Are there
legal issues preventing someone from packaging this up and submitting
it to the regular repository so people can just yum it? Or is it just
a size issue for the mirrors since the download of the birnary+source
package was quite large?

Post by Frank Cox
Any specific problems that you have when attempting to compile it?

These are the messages output (I culled it so that it wouldn't be
huge) after it has compiled a few things after a make in the source
directory of the alienarena download:

In file included from client/cl_fx.c:24:
client/../ref_gl/qgl.h:31:19: error: GL/gl.h: No such file or directory
client/../ref_gl/qgl.h:35:20: error: GL/glx.h: No such file or directory
In file included from client/cl_fx.c:24:
client/../ref_gl/qgl.h:45: error: expected ')' before 'op'

... chopped about 500 similar lines ...

client/../ref_gl/qgl.h:574: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or
'__attribute__' before 'qglProgramLocalParameter4fARB'
client/cl_fx.c: In function 'CL_ParticleEffect':
client/cl_fx.c:518: error: 'GL_SRC_ALPHA' undeclared (first use in
this function)
client/cl_fx.c:518: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
client/cl_fx.c:518: error: for each function it appears in.)
client/cl_fx.c:519: error: 'GL_ONE_MINUS_SRC_ALPHA' undeclared (first
use in this function)

...

client/cl_fx.c:2718: error: 'GL_ONE_MINUS_SRC_ALPHA' undeclared (first
use in this function)
client/cl_fx.c: In function 'CL_BFGExplosionParticles':
client/cl_fx.c:2759: error: 'GL_SRC_ALPHA' undeclared (first use in
this function)
client/cl_fx.c:2760: error: 'GL_ONE' undeclared (first use in this function)
client/cl_fx.c: In function 'CL_TeleportParticles':
client/cl_fx.c:2810: error: 'GL_ONE' undeclared (first use in this function)
make[1]: *** [release/client/cl_fx.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mwiktowy/Download/alienarena2007/source'
make: *** [build-release] Error 2
[mwiktowy at localhost source]$

[Frank Cox]

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:42:11 -0400

Post by Michael Wiktowy
I tried downloading Alien Arena but the binary does not run in F7 due
to needing older libcurl and libssl and the source doesn't build due
to some mystery devel requirements.

Sure it does -- I compiled it and was playing it two or three days ago on this
F7 machine.

Any specific problems that you have when attempting to compile it?

[Michael Wiktowy]

Post by Adel ESSAFI

Post by lostson
Should be in the standard repo's if i do a yum search openarena it
comes up so a simple yum install openarena should work.

[root at esstt ~]# grep aren liste
openarena.i386 0.7.1-1.fc7 updates
openarena-data.i386 0.7.1-1.fc7 updates

Ya ... sorry ... when you wrote openarena I was reading Alien Arena.

I tried downloading Alien Arena but the binary does not run in F7 due
to needing older libcurl and libssl and the source doesn't build due
to some mystery devel requirements.

A shame since there was a bit of hype recently about it and wanted to
try it out..

I haven't tried openarena out yet.

/Mike

[Adel ESSAFI]

[root at esstt ~]# grep aren liste
openarena.i386 0.7.1-1.fc7 updates
openarena-data.i386 0.7.1-1.fc7 updates

Post by lostson

Post by Michael Wiktowy

Post by lostson
Open Arena installs via yum and is a great game.

Which repo is it in? It doesn't seem to be in any of the default ones or Livna.
/Mike

Should be in the standard repo's if i do a yum search openarena it
comes up so a simple yum install openarena should work.

[lostson]

Post by Michael Wiktowy

Post by lostson
Open Arena installs via yum and is a great game.

Which repo is it in? It doesn't seem to be in any of the default ones or Livna.
/Mike

Should be in the standard repo's if i do a yum search openarena it
comes up so a simple yum install openarena should work.
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Post by Adel ESSAFI
Dear all
I am searching for 3d game for linux fedora? Is there any repo that
permits to directly install these game with yum?
Thanks
Adel

Open Arena installs via yum and is a great game.

quake3, nexuiz, tremulous, vavoom, rott-shareware ...

Rahul

[Michael Wiktowy]

Post by lostson
Open Arena installs via yum and is a great game.

Which repo is it in? It doesn't seem to be in any of the default ones or Livna.

/Mike

[Steve Searle]

Post by Adel ESSAFI
I am searching for 3d game for linux fedora? Is there any repo that
permits to directly install these game with yum?

You will probably get more answers if you don't hi-jack threads.

Steve
--
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting a bad thing?

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Post by Adel ESSAFI
Dear all
I am searching for 3d game for linux fedora? Is there any repo that
permits to directly install these game with yum?

Scorched3D - yum install scorched3d

Chris

[Frank Cox]

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:09:38 +0200

Post by Adel ESSAFI
I am searching for 3d game for linux fedora? Is there any repo that
permits to directly install these game with yum?

The best one I've seen yet is this:

http://www.alienarena.org/

As far as I know, this game isn't yet in any of the yum repositories, but it's
easy to download, compile and get started blasting aliens.

[lostson]

Post by Adel ESSAFI
Dear all
I am searching for 3d game for linux fedora? Is there any repo that
permits to directly install these game with yum?
Thanks
Adel

Open Arena installs via yum and is a great game.
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http://www.lostsonsvault.org
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I am searching for 3d game for linux fedora? Is there any repo that
permits to directly install these game with yum?

You will probably get more answers if you don't hi-jack threads.

Steve
--
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Post by Adel ESSAFI
Dear all
I am searching for 3d game for linux fedora? Is there any repo that
permits to directly install these game with yum?

Scorched3D - yum install scorched3d

Chris

[Aaron Konstam]

Post by sam
Hi Tim.
Thanks. You understand! However, with setting up two subnets, I have the
issue of the internal server not being able to see anything but the laptop.
I'd like a way to be able to allow the internal box to access the internet
via the laptop's wireless connection...
the basic issue is I'm not sure how to configure the laptop, and the
internal server to allow the internal server to be able to access the
internet as well...
here's what i have so far.

dns

internal box <<<< >>>laptop >>>+>>> internet
192.168.2.99 (eth0) (ath0)
192.168.2.33 192.168.1.33
the laptop can access both the internal box, and the internet
the internal box can only access the laptop...
i'm trying to be able to allow the internal box to be able to access
everything that the laptop can...
thanks

Is ip-forwarding enabled on the laptop?
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=======================================================================
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[Timothy Murphy]

Post by sam
Thanks. You understand! However, with setting up two subnets, I have the
issue of the internal server not being able to see anything but the
laptop. I'd like a way to be able to allow the internal box to access the
internet via the laptop's wireless connection...
the basic issue is I'm not sure how to configure the laptop, and the
internal server to allow the internal server to be able to access the
internet as well...
here's what i have so far.

dns

internal box <<<< >>>laptop >>>+>>> internet
192.168.2.99 (eth0) (ath0)
192.168.2.33 192.168.1.33
the laptop can access both the internal box, and the internet
the internal box can only access the laptop...
i'm trying to be able to allow the internal box to be able to access
everything that the laptop can...

I think (but am not sure) that you need to use NAT
(Network Address Translation) on your laptop.

I think many people do what you are asking,
except that it is normally the other way round -
with a desktop linked to the internet,
and laptop getting to the internet via the desktop.

I have this, and use shorewall on my desktop.
This is the standard Fedora firewall,
but it also includes the option to use NAT.
I think the installation is reasonably clear.

I actually have two local networks, for ethernet and WiFi,
and a third link to the internet.
It all seems to work OK.

[Marko Vojinovic]

Post by sam
here's what i have so far.

dns

internal box <<<< >>>laptop >>>+>>> internet
192.168.2.99 (eth0) (ath0)
192.168.2.33 192.168.1.33
the laptop can access both the internal box, and the internet
the internal box can only access the laptop...
i'm trying to be able to allow the internal box to be able to access
everything that the laptop can...

Maybe I am wrong, but I believe You need to setup eth0 as a bridged network
connection. There is a howto about it in www.tldp.org :-).

HTH, :-)
Marko

Marko Vojinovic
Institute of Physics
University of Belgrade
======================
e-mail: vmarko at phy.bg.ac.yu

[John Summerfield]

Post by Marko Vojinovic

Post by sam
here's what i have so far.

dns

internal box <<<< >>>laptop >>>+>>> internet
192.168.2.99 (eth0) (ath0)
192.168.2.33 192.168.1.33
the laptop can access both the internal box, and the internet
the internal box can only access the laptop...
i'm trying to be able to allow the internal box to be able to access
everything that the laptop can...

Maybe I am wrong, but I believe You need to setup eth0 as a bridged network
connection. There is a howto about it in www.tldp.org :-).

You are.

The laptop needs forwarding enabled:
10:13 [summer at numbat ~]$ grep ip_ /etc/sysctl.conf
net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0
08:19 [summer at numbat ~]$
Change that to 1. "man sysctl"

Hosts on each side need route set so the can find the other. "man route"

Use of tcpdump on the laptop can help sort out where packets are being
lost. "man tcpdump"
Something like this:
tcpdump -i any host a and host b
Hosts a and be are on opposite sides of the laptop.

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Post by John Summerfield

Post by Marko Vojinovic
Maybe I am wrong, but I believe You need to setup eth0 as a bridged
network connection. There is a howto about it in www.tldp.org :-).

You are.
10:13 [summer at numbat ~]$ grep ip_ /etc/sysctl.conf
net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0
08:19 [summer at numbat ~]$
Change that to 1. "man sysctl"
Hosts on each side need route set so the can find the other. "man route"
Use of tcpdump on the laptop can help sort out where packets are being
lost. "man tcpdump"
tcpdump -i any host a and host b
Hosts a and be are on opposite sides of the laptop.

He is only wrong is that you do not have to set up a bridge. But a
bridge would work. There is more then one way to do things. Using
bridging instead of two subnets and forwarding rules has some
advantages, depending on exactly what you are trying to do. It has
definite advantages if you have more then one machine on the wired
side of the laptop, and you want the machines on the wireless side
to easily talk to them. Using bridging, you can put everything on
the same subnet. You should also be able to use one DHCP server and
DHCP for the entire network. (DHCP packets should travel across the
bridge without any problems.

I am not sure, but I would expect it to also use less resources on
the laptop, because you would only have to examine incoming packets
for the bridge IP address. Everything else can be passed to the
other interface(s) of the bridge. But you also have the option of
writing IPtables rules to limit this.

Mikkel
--
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup!

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Post by John Summerfield

Post by Marko Vojinovic
Maybe I am wrong, but I believe You need to setup eth0 as a bridged
network connection. There is a howto about it in www.tldp.org :-).

You are.
10:13 [summer at numbat ~]$ grep ip_ /etc/sysctl.conf
net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0
08:19 [summer at numbat ~]$
Change that to 1. "man sysctl"
Hosts on each side need route set so the can find the other. "man route"
Use of tcpdump on the laptop can help sort out where packets are being
lost. "man tcpdump"
tcpdump -i any host a and host b
Hosts a and be are on opposite sides of the laptop.

He is only wrong is that you do not have to set up a bridge. But a
bridge would work. There is more then one way to do things. Using
bridging instead of two subnets and forwarding rules has some
advantages, depending on exactly what you are trying to do. It has
definite advantages if you have more then one machine on the wired
side of the laptop, and you want the machines on the wireless side
to easily talk to them. Using bridging, you can put everything on
the same subnet. You should also be able to use one DHCP server and
DHCP for the entire network. (DHCP packets should travel across the
bridge without any problems.

I am not sure, but I would expect it to also use less resources on
the laptop, because you would only have to examine incoming packets
for the bridge IP address. Everything else can be passed to the
other interface(s) of the bridge. But you also have the option of
writing IPtables rules to limit this.

Mikkel
--
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup!

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Post by Marko Vojinovic

Post by sam
here's what i have so far.

dns

internal box <<<< >>>laptop >>>+>>> internet
192.168.2.99 (eth0) (ath0)
192.168.2.33 192.168.1.33
the laptop can access both the internal box, and the internet
the internal box can only access the laptop...
i'm trying to be able to allow the internal box to be able to access
everything that the laptop can...

Maybe I am wrong, but I believe You need to setup eth0 as a bridged network
connection. There is a howto about it in www.tldp.org :-).

You are.

The laptop needs forwarding enabled:
10:13 [summer at numbat ~]$ grep ip_ /etc/sysctl.conf
net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0
08:19 [summer at numbat ~]$
Change that to 1. "man sysctl"

Hosts on each side need route set so the can find the other. "man route"

Use of tcpdump on the laptop can help sort out where packets are being
lost. "man tcpdump"
Something like this:
tcpdump -i any host a and host b
Hosts a and be are on opposite sides of the laptop.

[Adel ESSAFI]

Dear all
I am searching for 3d game for linux fedora? Is there any repo that
permits to directly install these game with yum?
Thanks
Adel

[Aaron Konstam]

Post by sam
Hi Tim.
Thanks. You understand! However, with setting up two subnets, I have the
issue of the internal server not being able to see anything but the laptop.
I'd like a way to be able to allow the internal box to access the internet
via the laptop's wireless connection...
the basic issue is I'm not sure how to configure the laptop, and the
internal server to allow the internal server to be able to access the
internet as well...
here's what i have so far.

dns

internal box <<<< >>>laptop >>>+>>> internet
192.168.2.99 (eth0) (ath0)
192.168.2.33 192.168.1.33
the laptop can access both the internal box, and the internet
the internal box can only access the laptop...
i'm trying to be able to allow the internal box to be able to access
everything that the laptop can...
thanks

Is ip-forwarding enabled on the laptop?
--
=======================================================================
QOTD: "Unlucky? If I bought a pumpkin farm, they'd cancel Halloween."
=======================================================================
Aaron Konstam telephone: [phone] e-mail: akonstam at sbcglobal.net

[Timothy Murphy]

Post by sam
Thanks. You understand! However, with setting up two subnets, I have the
issue of the internal server not being able to see anything but the
laptop. I'd like a way to be able to allow the internal box to access the
internet via the laptop's wireless connection...
the basic issue is I'm not sure how to configure the laptop, and the
internal server to allow the internal server to be able to access the
internet as well...
here's what i have so far.

dns

internal box <<<< >>>laptop >>>+>>> internet
192.168.2.99 (eth0) (ath0)
192.168.2.33 192.168.1.33
the laptop can access both the internal box, and the internet
the internal box can only access the laptop...
i'm trying to be able to allow the internal box to be able to access
everything that the laptop can...

I think (but am not sure) that you need to use NAT
(Network Address Translation) on your laptop.

I think many people do what you are asking,
except that it is normally the other way round -
with a desktop linked to the internet,
and laptop getting to the internet via the desktop.

I have this, and use shorewall on my desktop.
This is the standard Fedora firewall,
but it also includes the option to use NAT.
I think the installation is reasonably clear.

I actually have two local networks, for ethernet and WiFi,
and a third link to the internet.
It all seems to work OK.

[Marko Vojinovic]

Post by sam
here's what i have so far.

dns

internal box <<<< >>>laptop >>>+>>> internet
192.168.2.99 (eth0) (ath0)
192.168.2.33 192.168.1.33
the laptop can access both the internal box, and the internet
the internal box can only access the laptop...
i'm trying to be able to allow the internal box to be able to access
everything that the laptop can...

Maybe I am wrong, but I believe You need to setup eth0 as a bridged network
connection. There is a howto about it in www.tldp.org :-).

HTH, :-)
Marko

Marko Vojinovic
Institute of Physics
University of Belgrade
======================
e-mail: vmarko at phy.bg.ac.yu

[John Summerfield]

Post by sam
Hi...
I have a laptop that's connected to the 'net via the wireless port. It
works. I also have the eth0 port that I use to connect to another box that's
not connected to the 'net...
so
internal box >>>>laptop >>>>> internet
(X) (Y)
X - eth0
Y - ath0
Each of the connections work.
My question, how do I set them up (if possible) so I can have them both
working at the same time. As it is now, it I have them both active, I can
only access the connections to the 1st one that was active..
The nics are on separate IP addresses..
I've been looking high/low to try to figure this out. I need to accomplish
this, as I'd like to update the internal computer with Fedora update rpms
via yum, which requires internet access.

Are you using Network Mangler?

I have not problem, not using it. but I enabled it on my Laptop
(openSuSe 10.2) where it's basically broken.

[sam]

Hi john, and all!!

Thanks for the replies to this....

What I really wound up doing to resolve this:

Setup:
Laptop
ath0 - 192.168.1.33 (sub1)
eth0 - 192.168.2.33 (sub2)

Internal Box
eth0 - 192.168.2.99 (sub2)

This allows me to be able to have the laptop connect to both the wireless
network, and the internal box at the same time.

I also needed to modify the laptop/internal box:

Laptop:
-setup iptables for masquerade on ath0 port.
this basically takes traffic on eth0 and forwards it to ath0
-setup box for ip_forwarding (/etc/sysctl.conf)

Internal Box
-setup "route" to use the laptop eth0 as the gateway (route
cmd)

To ensure traffic works, check the traffic on the laptop for both eth0/ath0
using iptraf, to see what is coming from the Internal box, and to ensure
that it gets to the wireless network...

It works as required....

Thanks!!


-----Original Message-----
From: fedora-list-bounces at redhat.com
[mailto:fedora-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of John Summerfield
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:23 PM
To: For users of Fedora
Subject: Re: Running Wireless and Wired eth connections at the same time

Post by Marko Vojinovic

Post by sam
here's what i have so far.

dns

internal box <<<< >>>laptop >>>+>>> internet
192.168.2.99 (eth0) (ath0)
192.168.2.33 192.168.1.33
the laptop can access both the internal box, and the internet
the internal box can only access the laptop...
i'm trying to be able to allow the internal box to be able to access
everything that the laptop can...

Maybe I am wrong, but I believe You need to setup eth0 as a bridged

network

Post by Marko Vojinovic
connection. There is a howto about it in www.tldp.org :-).

You are.

The laptop needs forwarding enabled:
10:13 [summer at numbat ~]$ grep ip_ /etc/sysctl.conf
net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0
08:19 [summer at numbat ~]$
Change that to 1. "man sysctl"

Hosts on each side need route set so the can find the other. "man route"

Use of tcpdump on the laptop can help sort out where packets are being
lost. "man tcpdump"
Something like this:
tcpdump -i any host a and host b
Hosts a and be are on opposite sides of the laptop.



--

Cheers
John

-- spambait
1aaaaaaa at coco.merseine.nu Z1aaaaaaa at coco.merseine.nu

Please do not reply off-list

[John Summerfield]

Post by sam
Hi john, and all!!
Thanks for the replies to this....
Laptop
ath0 - 192.168.1.33 (sub1)
eth0 - 192.168.2.33 (sub2)
Internal Box
eth0 - 192.168.2.99 (sub2)
This allows me to be able to have the laptop connect to both the wireless
network, and the internal box at the same time.
-setup iptables for masquerade on ath0 port.

That's usually wrong

Post by sam
this basically takes traffic on eth0 and forwards it to ath0
-setup box for ip_forwarding (/etc/sysctl.conf)
Internal Box
-setup "route" to use the laptop eth0 as the gateway (route
cmd)
To ensure traffic works, check the traffic on the laptop for both eth0/ath0
using iptraf, to see what is coming from the Internal box, and to ensure
that it gets to the wireless network...
It works as required....
Thanks!!
-----Original Message-----
From: fedora-list-bounces at redhat.com
[mailto:fedora-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of John Summerfield
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:23 PM
To: For users of Fedora
Subject: Re: Running Wireless and Wired eth connections at the same time

Post by Marko Vojinovic

Post by sam
here's what i have so far.

dns

internal box <<<< >>>laptop >>>+>>> internet
192.168.2.99 (eth0) (ath0)
192.168.2.33 192.168.1.33
the laptop can access both the internal box, and the internet
the internal box can only access the laptop...
i'm trying to be able to allow the internal box to be able to access
everything that the laptop can...

Maybe I am wrong, but I believe You need to setup eth0 as a bridged

network

Post by Marko Vojinovic
connection. There is a howto about it in www.tldp.org :-).

You are.
10:13 [summer at numbat ~]$ grep ip_ /etc/sysctl.conf
net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0
08:19 [summer at numbat ~]$
Change that to 1. "man sysctl"
Hosts on each side need route set so the can find the other. "man route"
Use of tcpdump on the laptop can help sort out where packets are being
lost. "man tcpdump"
tcpdump -i any host a and host b
Hosts a and be are on opposite sides of the laptop.
--
Cheers
John
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Please do not reply off-list
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Post by John Summerfield

Post by sam
Hi john, and all!!
Thanks for the replies to this....
Laptop
ath0 - 192.168.1.33 (sub1)
eth0 - 192.168.2.33 (sub2)
Internal Box
eth0 - 192.168.2.99 (sub2)
This allows me to be able to have the laptop connect to both the wireless
network, and the internal box at the same time.
-setup iptables for masquerade on ath0 port.

That's usually wrong

It may be...if we were able to divine what "that" is. :-)

I sometimes answer questions or make observations in the same way but I've
found that people (if they are interested in what they think I'm saying) ask
me what I meant by what I've said and I end up having to respond to another
email anyway.

So, care to elaborate?

[John Summerfield]

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by John Summerfield

Post by sam
Hi john, and all!!
Thanks for the replies to this....
Laptop
ath0 - 192.168.1.33 (sub1)
eth0 - 192.168.2.33 (sub2)
Internal Box
eth0 - 192.168.2.99 (sub2)
This allows me to be able to have the laptop connect to both the wireless
network, and the internal box at the same time.
-setup iptables for masquerade on ath0 port.

That's usually wrong

It may be...if we were able to divine what "that" is. :-)

How about the immediate preceding statement? I reply in context, so look
to see what the context is.

[John Summerfield]

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by John Summerfield

Post by sam
Hi john, and all!!
Thanks for the replies to this....
Laptop
ath0 - 192.168.1.33 (sub1)
eth0 - 192.168.2.33 (sub2)
Internal Box
eth0 - 192.168.2.99 (sub2)
This allows me to be able to have the laptop connect to both the wireless
network, and the internal box at the same time.
-setup iptables for masquerade on ath0 port.

That's usually wrong

It may be...if we were able to divine what "that" is. :-)

How about the immediate preceding statement? I reply in context, so look
to see what the context is.

[Ed Greshko]

Post by John Summerfield

Post by sam
Hi john, and all!!
Thanks for the replies to this....
Laptop
ath0 - 192.168.1.33 (sub1)
eth0 - 192.168.2.33 (sub2)
Internal Box
eth0 - 192.168.2.99 (sub2)
This allows me to be able to have the laptop connect to both the wireless
network, and the internal box at the same time.
-setup iptables for masquerade on ath0 port.

That's usually wrong

It may be...if we were able to divine what "that" is. :-)

I sometimes answer questions or make observations in the same way but I've
found that people (if they are interested in what they think I'm saying) ask
me what I meant by what I've said and I end up having to respond to another
email anyway.

So, care to elaborate?

[John Summerfield]

Post by sam
Hi john, and all!!
Thanks for the replies to this....
Laptop
ath0 - 192.168.1.33 (sub1)
eth0 - 192.168.2.33 (sub2)
Internal Box
eth0 - 192.168.2.99 (sub2)
This allows me to be able to have the laptop connect to both the wireless
network, and the internal box at the same time.
-setup iptables for masquerade on ath0 port.

That's usually wrong

Post by sam
this basically takes traffic on eth0 and forwards it to ath0
-setup box for ip_forwarding (/etc/sysctl.conf)
Internal Box
-setup "route" to use the laptop eth0 as the gateway (route
cmd)
To ensure traffic works, check the traffic on the laptop for both eth0/ath0
using iptraf, to see what is coming from the Internal box, and to ensure
that it gets to the wireless network...
It works as required....
Thanks!!
-----Original Message-----
From: fedora-list-bounces at redhat.com
[mailto:fedora-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of John Summerfield
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:23 PM
To: For users of Fedora
Subject: Re: Running Wireless and Wired eth connections at the same time

Post by Marko Vojinovic

Post by sam
here's what i have so far.

dns

internal box <<<< >>>laptop >>>+>>> internet
192.168.2.99 (eth0) (ath0)
192.168.2.33 192.168.1.33
the laptop can access both the internal box, and the internet
the internal box can only access the laptop...
i'm trying to be able to allow the internal box to be able to access
everything that the laptop can...

Maybe I am wrong, but I believe You need to setup eth0 as a bridged

network

Post by Marko Vojinovic
connection. There is a howto about it in www.tldp.org :-).

You are.
10:13 [summer at numbat ~]$ grep ip_ /etc/sysctl.conf
net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0
08:19 [summer at numbat ~]$
Change that to 1. "man sysctl"
Hosts on each side need route set so the can find the other. "man route"
Use of tcpdump on the laptop can help sort out where packets are being
lost. "man tcpdump"
tcpdump -i any host a and host b
Hosts a and be are on opposite sides of the laptop.
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hey john..

since you've stated that what i did was "usually" wrong, and what i did,
happened to be what a number of other people on other sites have done, why
don't you give details, examples, theory as to why it's wrong. also, provide
a better solution, along with the theory/rationale as to why your approach
is more stable, more secure, etc...

thanks

-Sam



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[mailto:fedora-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of John Summerfield
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:00 PM
To: For users of Fedora
Subject: Re: Running Wireless and Wired eth connections at the same time

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by John Summerfield

Post by sam
Hi john, and all!!
Thanks for the replies to this....
Laptop
ath0 - 192.168.1.33 (sub1)
eth0 - 192.168.2.33 (sub2)
Internal Box
eth0 - 192.168.2.99 (sub2)
This allows me to be able to have the laptop connect to both the

wireless

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by John Summerfield

Post by sam
network, and the internal box at the same time.
-setup iptables for masquerade on ath0 port.

That's usually wrong

It may be...if we were able to divine what "that" is. :-)

How about the immediate preceding statement? I reply in context, so look
to see what the context is.


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Post by sam
hey john..
since you've stated that what i did was "usually" wrong, and what i did,
happened to be what a number of other people on other sites have done, why
don't you give details, examples, theory as to why it's wrong. also, provide
a better solution, along with the theory/rationale as to why your approach
is more stable, more secure, etc...

Because you don't pay me enough. If you want to be spoon-fed, then i
want to be paid.

I especially don't like helping people who don't appear to help
themselves. See what google has to say about linux routing.

Even (shock horror) go buy a book. Sams has some good ones. Oreilly has
a lot (but maybe not for beginners).

My first Linux was Slack 2.6 on a book. My second was the official RHL
3.0.3 retail pack.

There's a lot of email on this list, and I could probably spend all day
on it. I won't, unless I'm paid to do so.

if you want help from the best people on this list (and I don't
necessarily mean me, there are other experienced users here too), then
you need to make your question interesting to them.
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&q=%22how+to%22+ask+questions

Post by sam
thanks
-Sam
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[mailto:fedora-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of John Summerfield
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:00 PM
To: For users of Fedora
Subject: Re: Running Wireless and Wired eth connections at the same time

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by John Summerfield

Post by sam
Hi john, and all!!
Thanks for the replies to this....
Laptop
ath0 - 192.168.1.33 (sub1)
eth0 - 192.168.2.33 (sub2)
Internal Box
eth0 - 192.168.2.99 (sub2)
This allows me to be able to have the laptop connect to both the

wireless

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by John Summerfield

Post by sam
network, and the internal box at the same time.
-setup iptables for masquerade on ath0 port.

That's usually wrong

It may be...if we were able to divine what "that" is. :-)

How about the immediate preceding statement? I reply in context, so look
to see what the context is.
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[John Summerfield]

Post by John Summerfield

Post by sam
hey john..
since you've stated that what i did was "usually" wrong, and what i did,
happened to be what a number of other people on other sites have done, why
don't you give details, examples, theory as to why it's wrong. also, provide
a better solution, along with the theory/rationale as to why your approach
is more stable, more secure, etc...

Because you don't pay me enough. If you want to be spoon-fed, then i
want to be paid.

I should also mention I outlined the basics in this thread already.

[Ed Greshko]

Post by John Summerfield
Because you don't pay me enough. If you want to be spoon-fed, then i
want to be paid.

Hey, I have an idea....

Since responding with one liners isn't helpful and you don't want to spoon
feed people but want to be paid to be "really" helpful...then try not
posting. It will be easier for all involved.

Or, if you can't resist the urge to post, simply create a template response
of "RTFM" and be done with it.

IMHO, this and other lists are all about sharing and spreading knowledge.
If you're not willing to share...I think you can finish that sentence.

FWIW, haven't you ever been a newbie?

[John Summerfield]

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by John Summerfield
Because you don't pay me enough. If you want to be spoon-fed, then i
want to be paid.

Hey, I have an idea....
Since responding with one liners isn't helpful and you don't want to spoon
feed people but want to be paid to be "really" helpful...then try not
posting. It will be easier for all involved.

It would be easier for all (including the beginners) if people with
problems made a decent effort to find out for themselves. There's not
much here that google doesn't already know about.

If people took a few minutes to google, they'd have their answers before
their questions got an answer, and that would be better for them.

Post by Ed Greshko
Or, if you can't resist the urge to post, simply create a template response
of "RTFM" and be done with it.
IMHO, this and other lists are all about sharing and spreading knowledge.
If you're not willing to share...I think you can finish that sentence.
FWIW, haven't you ever been a newbie?

yes, Ed. I said so. I also described how I learned to feed myself.

[Ed Greshko]

Post by John Summerfield

Post by Ed Greshko
Since responding with one liners isn't helpful and you don't want to spoon
feed people but want to be paid to be "really" helpful...then try not
posting. It will be easier for all involved.

It would be easier for all (including the beginners) if people with
problems made a decent effort to find out for themselves. There's not
much here that google doesn't already know about.

Sure...but this is the "real world" and we all know that isn't going to
happen no matter how many times it is suggested or how many "read before
posting" notices are set.

So, IMHO, if you are unwilling or unable to provide good advice then it is
best to provide no advice at all.

Post by John Summerfield
If people took a few minutes to google, they'd have their answers before
their questions got an answer, and that would be better for them.

Well, maybe. What happens when the person does the google and then gets
conflicting answers or an answer that conflicts with your answer? I think
we all know that one cannot easily separate the correct from the incorrect
in google response and that there certainly is a ton of bad information out
in the internet world.

Post by John Summerfield

Post by Ed Greshko
FWIW, haven't you ever been a newbie?

yes, Ed. I said so. I also described how I learned to feed myself.

Don't open a soup kitchen. :-)

[John Summerfield]

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by John Summerfield

Post by Ed Greshko
Since responding with one liners isn't helpful and you don't want to spoon
feed people but want to be paid to be "really" helpful...then try not
posting. It will be easier for all involved.

It would be easier for all (including the beginners) if people with
problems made a decent effort to find out for themselves. There's not
much here that google doesn't already know about.

Sure...but this is the "real world" and we all know that isn't going to
happen no matter how many times it is suggested or how many "read before
posting" notices are set.
So, IMHO, if you are unwilling or unable to provide good advice then it is
best to provide no advice at all.

I prefer to keep trying to educate them; if it keeps your inbox and mine
down, that's good. It won't stop everyone, I don't anticipate otherwise.

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by John Summerfield
If people took a few minutes to google, they'd have their answers before
their questions got an answer, and that would be better for them.

Well, maybe. What happens when the person does the google and then gets
conflicting answers or an answer that conflicts with your answer? I think
we all know that one cannot easily separate the correct from the incorrect
in google response and that there certainly is a ton of bad information out
in the internet world.

As I replied to Sam, then one has a better problem to describe and can
show you, Aaron and a few others I recall from some time ago that they
have, at least, made a decent effort to help themselves.

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by John Summerfield

Post by Ed Greshko
FWIW, haven't you ever been a newbie?

yes, Ed. I said so. I also described how I learned to feed myself.

Don't open a soup kitchen. :-)

My waist says I eat too well!

[Ed Greshko]

Post by John Summerfield
I prefer to keep trying to educate them; if it keeps your inbox and mine
down, that's good. It won't stop everyone, I don't anticipate otherwise.

I detect a bit of contradiction....

You say "I prefer to keep trying to educate them" yet you post one line
responses of debatable value. And, you seem to have indicated that it is
lack of compensation as part of the issue. As in you don't get paid enough
to provide a complete and comprehensive response.

Certainly, your one line answer hasn't keep anyones inbox less cluttered.
But, I'll take responsibility for that. :-(

In any event...life goes on.

Post by John Summerfield

Post by Ed Greshko
Don't open a soup kitchen. :-)

My waist says I eat too well!

Looking down on mine has convinced me that it is time to head out for a 35km
bike ride.

[John Summerfield]

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by John Summerfield
I prefer to keep trying to educate them; if it keeps your inbox and mine
down, that's good. It won't stop everyone, I don't anticipate otherwise.

I detect a bit of contradiction....

Look for some irony. Nobody's paid to attend to these lists, and nobody
really expects to be paid.

Post by Ed Greshko
You say "I prefer to keep trying to educate them" yet you post one line
responses of debatable value. And, you seem to have indicated that it is
lack of compensation as part of the issue. As in you don't get paid enough
to provide a complete and comprehensive response.

If someone's prepared to pay a decent sum of money, certainly they'll
get more of my attention. While I'm not being paid, then there's limits
to how much spoon feeding I'll do.

The particular one-liner that seems to have attracted your ire was in
fact preceded in another post by a (brief) outline of what is needed to
do the job properly, without NAT.

Post by Ed Greshko
Certainly, your one line answer hasn't keep anyones inbox less cluttered.
But, I'll take responsibility for that. :-(
In any event...life goes on.

Post by John Summerfield

Post by Ed Greshko
Don't open a soup kitchen. :-)

My waist says I eat too well!

Looking down on mine has convinced me that it is time to head out for a 35km
bike ride.

[Ed Greshko]

Post by Ed Greshko
Looking down on mine has convinced me that it is time to head out for a 35km
bike ride.

I think I should not have done that.... Got hit by a motor scooter... Only
a broken nose, destroyed glasses and numerous abrasions. In hind sight I
should have stayed home and argued needlessly. :-(

[Gene Heskett]

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by Ed Greshko
Looking down on mine has convinced me that it is time to head out for a
35km bike ride.

I think I should not have done that.... Got hit by a motor scooter... Only
a broken nose, destroyed glasses and numerous abrasions. In hind sight I
should have stayed home and argued needlessly. :-(

I wouldn't wish that on anybody but OBL maybe. Chuckle, I just read my
fortune generated sig addition. Co-incidence??

[Ed Greshko]

Post by Gene Heskett

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by Ed Greshko
Looking down on mine has convinced me that it is time to head out for a
35km bike ride.

I think I should not have done that.... Got hit by a motor scooter... Only
a broken nose, destroyed glasses and numerous abrasions. In hind sight I
should have stayed home and argued needlessly. :-(

I wouldn't wish that on anybody but OBL maybe. Chuckle, I just read my
fortune generated sig addition. Co-incidence??

Or maybe a curse? :-)

[Ed Greshko]

Post by Gene Heskett

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by Ed Greshko
Looking down on mine has convinced me that it is time to head out for a
35km bike ride.

I think I should not have done that.... Got hit by a motor scooter... Only
a broken nose, destroyed glasses and numerous abrasions. In hind sight I
should have stayed home and argued needlessly. :-(

I wouldn't wish that on anybody but OBL maybe. Chuckle, I just read my
fortune generated sig addition. Co-incidence??

Or maybe a curse? :-)

[John Summerfield]

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by Ed Greshko
Looking down on mine has convinced me that it is time to head out for a 35km
bike ride.

I think I should not have done that.... Got hit by a motor scooter... Only
a broken nose, destroyed glasses and numerous abrasions. In hind sight I
should have stayed home and argued needlessly. :-(

Don't lose heart. Years ago, a light aircraft landed on a house near
Essendon aerodrome. Those in residence at the time left the planet, the
resident who was not in residence was unhurt.

[Gene Heskett]

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by Ed Greshko
Looking down on mine has convinced me that it is time to head out for a
35km bike ride.

I think I should not have done that.... Got hit by a motor scooter... Only
a broken nose, destroyed glasses and numerous abrasions. In hind sight I
should have stayed home and argued needlessly. :-(

I wouldn't wish that on anybody but OBL maybe. Chuckle, I just read my
fortune generated sig addition. Co-incidence??

[John Summerfield]

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by Ed Greshko
Looking down on mine has convinced me that it is time to head out for a 35km
bike ride.

I think I should not have done that.... Got hit by a motor scooter... Only
a broken nose, destroyed glasses and numerous abrasions. In hind sight I
should have stayed home and argued needlessly. :-(

Don't lose heart. Years ago, a light aircraft landed on a house near
Essendon aerodrome. Those in residence at the time left the planet, the
resident who was not in residence was unhurt.

[John Summerfield]

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by John Summerfield
I prefer to keep trying to educate them; if it keeps your inbox and mine
down, that's good. It won't stop everyone, I don't anticipate otherwise.

I detect a bit of contradiction....

Look for some irony. Nobody's paid to attend to these lists, and nobody
really expects to be paid.

Post by Ed Greshko
You say "I prefer to keep trying to educate them" yet you post one line
responses of debatable value. And, you seem to have indicated that it is
lack of compensation as part of the issue. As in you don't get paid enough
to provide a complete and comprehensive response.

If someone's prepared to pay a decent sum of money, certainly they'll
get more of my attention. While I'm not being paid, then there's limits
to how much spoon feeding I'll do.

The particular one-liner that seems to have attracted your ire was in
fact preceded in another post by a (brief) outline of what is needed to
do the job properly, without NAT.

Post by Ed Greshko
Certainly, your one line answer hasn't keep anyones inbox less cluttered.
But, I'll take responsibility for that. :-(
In any event...life goes on.

Post by John Summerfield

Post by Ed Greshko
Don't open a soup kitchen. :-)

My waist says I eat too well!

Looking down on mine has convinced me that it is time to head out for a 35km
bike ride.

[Ed Greshko]

Post by Ed Greshko
Looking down on mine has convinced me that it is time to head out for a 35km
bike ride.

I think I should not have done that.... Got hit by a motor scooter... Only
a broken nose, destroyed glasses and numerous abrasions. In hind sight I
should have stayed home and argued needlessly. :-(

[Ed Greshko]

Post by John Summerfield
I prefer to keep trying to educate them; if it keeps your inbox and mine
down, that's good. It won't stop everyone, I don't anticipate otherwise.

I detect a bit of contradiction....

You say "I prefer to keep trying to educate them" yet you post one line
responses of debatable value. And, you seem to have indicated that it is
lack of compensation as part of the issue. As in you don't get paid enough
to provide a complete and comprehensive response.

Certainly, your one line answer hasn't keep anyones inbox less cluttered.
But, I'll take responsibility for that. :-(

In any event...life goes on.

Post by John Summerfield

Post by Ed Greshko
Don't open a soup kitchen. :-)

My waist says I eat too well!

Looking down on mine has convinced me that it is time to head out for a 35km
bike ride.

[John Summerfield]

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by John Summerfield

Post by Ed Greshko
Since responding with one liners isn't helpful and you don't want to spoon
feed people but want to be paid to be "really" helpful...then try not
posting. It will be easier for all involved.

It would be easier for all (including the beginners) if people with
problems made a decent effort to find out for themselves. There's not
much here that google doesn't already know about.

Sure...but this is the "real world" and we all know that isn't going to
happen no matter how many times it is suggested or how many "read before
posting" notices are set.
So, IMHO, if you are unwilling or unable to provide good advice then it is
best to provide no advice at all.

I prefer to keep trying to educate them; if it keeps your inbox and mine
down, that's good. It won't stop everyone, I don't anticipate otherwise.

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by John Summerfield
If people took a few minutes to google, they'd have their answers before
their questions got an answer, and that would be better for them.

Well, maybe. What happens when the person does the google and then gets
conflicting answers or an answer that conflicts with your answer? I think
we all know that one cannot easily separate the correct from the incorrect
in google response and that there certainly is a ton of bad information out
in the internet world.

As I replied to Sam, then one has a better problem to describe and can
show you, Aaron and a few others I recall from some time ago that they
have, at least, made a decent effort to help themselves.

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by John Summerfield

Post by Ed Greshko
FWIW, haven't you ever been a newbie?

yes, Ed. I said so. I also described how I learned to feed myself.

Don't open a soup kitchen. :-)

My waist says I eat too well!

[Ed Greshko]

Post by John Summerfield

Post by Ed Greshko
Since responding with one liners isn't helpful and you don't want to spoon
feed people but want to be paid to be "really" helpful...then try not
posting. It will be easier for all involved.

It would be easier for all (including the beginners) if people with
problems made a decent effort to find out for themselves. There's not
much here that google doesn't already know about.

Sure...but this is the "real world" and we all know that isn't going to
happen no matter how many times it is suggested or how many "read before
posting" notices are set.

So, IMHO, if you are unwilling or unable to provide good advice then it is
best to provide no advice at all.

Post by John Summerfield
If people took a few minutes to google, they'd have their answers before
their questions got an answer, and that would be better for them.

Well, maybe. What happens when the person does the google and then gets
conflicting answers or an answer that conflicts with your answer? I think
we all know that one cannot easily separate the correct from the incorrect
in google response and that there certainly is a ton of bad information out
in the internet world.

Post by John Summerfield

Post by Ed Greshko
FWIW, haven't you ever been a newbie?

yes, Ed. I said so. I also described how I learned to feed myself.

Don't open a soup kitchen. :-)

[John Summerfield]

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by John Summerfield
Because you don't pay me enough. If you want to be spoon-fed, then i
want to be paid.

Hey, I have an idea....
Since responding with one liners isn't helpful and you don't want to spoon
feed people but want to be paid to be "really" helpful...then try not
posting. It will be easier for all involved.

It would be easier for all (including the beginners) if people with
problems made a decent effort to find out for themselves. There's not
much here that google doesn't already know about.

If people took a few minutes to google, they'd have their answers before
their questions got an answer, and that would be better for them.

Post by Ed Greshko
Or, if you can't resist the urge to post, simply create a template response
of "RTFM" and be done with it.
IMHO, this and other lists are all about sharing and spreading knowledge.
If you're not willing to share...I think you can finish that sentence.
FWIW, haven't you ever been a newbie?

yes, Ed. I said so. I also described how I learned to feed myself.

[John Summerfield]

Post by John Summerfield

Post by sam
hey john..
since you've stated that what i did was "usually" wrong, and what i did,
happened to be what a number of other people on other sites have done, why
don't you give details, examples, theory as to why it's wrong. also, provide
a better solution, along with the theory/rationale as to why your approach
is more stable, more secure, etc...

Because you don't pay me enough. If you want to be spoon-fed, then i
want to be paid.

I should also mention I outlined the basics in this thread already.

[Ed Greshko]

Post by John Summerfield
Because you don't pay me enough. If you want to be spoon-fed, then i
want to be paid.

Hey, I have an idea....

Since responding with one liners isn't helpful and you don't want to spoon
feed people but want to be paid to be "really" helpful...then try not
posting. It will be easier for all involved.

Or, if you can't resist the urge to post, simply create a template response
of "RTFM" and be done with it.

IMHO, this and other lists are all about sharing and spreading knowledge.
If you're not willing to share...I think you can finish that sentence.

FWIW, haven't you ever been a newbie?

[John Summerfield]

Post by sam
hey john..
since you've stated that what i did was "usually" wrong, and what i did,
happened to be what a number of other people on other sites have done, why
don't you give details, examples, theory as to why it's wrong. also, provide
a better solution, along with the theory/rationale as to why your approach
is more stable, more secure, etc...

Because you don't pay me enough. If you want to be spoon-fed, then i
want to be paid.

I especially don't like helping people who don't appear to help
themselves. See what google has to say about linux routing.

Even (shock horror) go buy a book. Sams has some good ones. Oreilly has
a lot (but maybe not for beginners).

My first Linux was Slack 2.6 on a book. My second was the official RHL
3.0.3 retail pack.

There's a lot of email on this list, and I could probably spend all day
on it. I won't, unless I'm paid to do so.

if you want help from the best people on this list (and I don't
necessarily mean me, there are other experienced users here too), then
you need to make your question interesting to them.
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&q=%22how+to%22+ask+questions

Post by sam
thanks
-Sam
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[mailto:fedora-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of John Summerfield
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:00 PM
To: For users of Fedora
Subject: Re: Running Wireless and Wired eth connections at the same time

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by John Summerfield

Post by sam
Hi john, and all!!
Thanks for the replies to this....
Laptop
ath0 - 192.168.1.33 (sub1)
eth0 - 192.168.2.33 (sub2)
Internal Box
eth0 - 192.168.2.99 (sub2)
This allows me to be able to have the laptop connect to both the

wireless

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by John Summerfield

Post by sam
network, and the internal box at the same time.
-setup iptables for masquerade on ath0 port.

That's usually wrong

It may be...if we were able to divine what "that" is. :-)

How about the immediate preceding statement? I reply in context, so look
to see what the context is.
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[sam]

no john..

unless i missed one of your posts, you didn't outline what was wrong. if you
did, could you repost as i'm missing some of this thread.

as far as the masquerade, i would suggest you google. there are plenty of
sites using it, suggesting it. there are plenty of people on various
forums/channels mentioning it as well...

so, if you have specific knowledge of why it's wrong, share, or in the words
of a friend of mine.. shut the f* up...

peace..


-----Original Message-----
From: fedora-list-bounces at redhat.com
[mailto:fedora-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of John Summerfield
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 5:00 PM
To: For users of Fedora
Subject: Re: Running Wireless and Wired eth connections at the same time

Post by John Summerfield

Post by sam
hey john..
since you've stated that what i did was "usually" wrong, and what i did,
happened to be what a number of other people on other sites have done,
why
don't you give details, examples, theory as to why it's wrong. also,
provide
a better solution, along with the theory/rationale as to why your
approach
is more stable, more secure, etc...

Because you don't pay me enough. If you want to be spoon-fed, then i
want to be paid.

I should also mention I outlined the basics in this thread already.


--

Cheers
John

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[John Summerfield]

Post by sam
no john..
unless i missed one of your posts, you didn't outline what was wrong. if you
did, could you repost as i'm missing some of this thread.

Then read the archive.

Post by sam
as far as the masquerade, i would suggest you google. there are plenty of
sites using it, suggesting it. there are plenty of people on various
forums/channels mentioning it as well...
so, if you have specific knowledge of why it's wrong, share, or in the words
of a friend of mine.. shut the f* up...

[a]<--->[router] <---> [b]

If you want a to contact b and b to contact a, the masquerading prevents it.

If you masq a, a looks to b like the router.

Note, a and b are often networks.

Post by sam
peace..
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Subject: Re: Running Wireless and Wired eth connections at the same time

Post by John Summerfield

Post by sam
hey john..
since you've stated that what i did was "usually" wrong, and what i did,
happened to be what a number of other people on other sites have done,
why
don't you give details, examples, theory as to why it's wrong. also,
provide
a better solution, along with the theory/rationale as to why your
approach
is more stable, more secure, etc...

Because you don't pay me enough. If you want to be spoon-fed, then i
want to be paid.

I should also mention I outlined the basics in this thread already.
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Post by sam
no john..
unless i missed one of your posts, you didn't outline what was wrong. if you
did, could you repost as i'm missing some of this thread.

Then read the archive.

Post by sam
as far as the masquerade, i would suggest you google. there are plenty of
sites using it, suggesting it. there are plenty of people on various
forums/channels mentioning it as well...
so, if you have specific knowledge of why it's wrong, share, or in the words
of a friend of mine.. shut the f* up...

[a]<--->[router] <---> [b]

If you want a to contact b and b to contact a, the masquerading prevents it.

If you masq a, a looks to b like the router.

Note, a and b are often networks.

Post by sam
peace..
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Subject: Re: Running Wireless and Wired eth connections at the same time

Post by John Summerfield

Post by sam
hey john..
since you've stated that what i did was "usually" wrong, and what i did,
happened to be what a number of other people on other sites have done,
why
don't you give details, examples, theory as to why it's wrong. also,
provide
a better solution, along with the theory/rationale as to why your
approach
is more stable, more secure, etc...

Because you don't pay me enough. If you want to be spoon-fed, then i
want to be paid.

I should also mention I outlined the basics in this thread already.
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[sam]

so john...

in your case.. when the user uses google to find an answer.. what happens
when the user gets conflicting information from different sites.

you see, you never ask if the user has used google, or where they got their
information, you simply assume that the user is asking without doing any
initial research.

in the case of this situation, the solution proposed is as i stated, freely
used/provided on a number of sites..

anyway.. peace.


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Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:59 PM
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Subject: Re: Running Wireless and Wired eth connections at the same time

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by John Summerfield
Because you don't pay me enough. If you want to be spoon-fed, then i
want to be paid.

Hey, I have an idea....
Since responding with one liners isn't helpful and you don't want to spoon
feed people but want to be paid to be "really" helpful...then try not
posting. It will be easier for all involved.

It would be easier for all (including the beginners) if people with
problems made a decent effort to find out for themselves. There's not
much here that google doesn't already know about.

If people took a few minutes to google, they'd have their answers before
their questions got an answer, and that would be better for them.

Post by Ed Greshko
Or, if you can't resist the urge to post, simply create a template

response

Post by Ed Greshko
of "RTFM" and be done with it.
IMHO, this and other lists are all about sharing and spreading knowledge.
If you're not willing to share...I think you can finish that sentence.
FWIW, haven't you ever been a newbie?

yes, Ed. I said so. I also described how I learned to feed myself.
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Post by sam
so john...
in your case.. when the user uses google to find an answer.. what happens
when the user gets conflicting information from different sites.

Then a sensible user might post to the question, outline what she's
done, the conflicting information found, the results of trying out one
or more of the pieces of advice.

Then, seeing that the user has made a decent effort, more (and more
capable) people will respond, and not rehash the same ground.

Post by sam
you see, you never ask if the user has used google, or where they got their
information, you simply assume that the user is asking without doing any
initial research.

The onus is on the user. If you want good advice, make sure that you can
filter out the nonsense, and there is quite a deal of that on any list,
as people begin to help.

heck, i spout a bit myself sometimes, most recently not realising that
while this fails:
/bin/echo /*/*/*/*
this does not:
echo /*/*/*/*

A lot of people here will try to answer your problem when they should be
asking for more information.

Post by sam
in the case of this situation, the solution proposed is as i stated, freely
used/provided on a number of sites..

It doesn't mean it's the right solution. Maquerading (more properly,
Network Address Translation (NAT)) is good when you're connecting your
SOHO LAN to the Internet and you want the LAN protected.

If you want to run servers of any kind on both sides to serve the other
(and this would include Windows desktops sharing files), then NAT is
wrong. Mostly, when people configure a router, the would like avery
machine on each side to see all on the other.

[John Summerfield]

Post by sam
so john...
in your case.. when the user uses google to find an answer.. what happens
when the user gets conflicting information from different sites.

Then a sensible user might post to the question, outline what she's
done, the conflicting information found, the results of trying out one
or more of the pieces of advice.

Then, seeing that the user has made a decent effort, more (and more
capable) people will respond, and not rehash the same ground.

Post by sam
you see, you never ask if the user has used google, or where they got their
information, you simply assume that the user is asking without doing any
initial research.

The onus is on the user. If you want good advice, make sure that you can
filter out the nonsense, and there is quite a deal of that on any list,
as people begin to help.

heck, i spout a bit myself sometimes, most recently not realising that
while this fails:
/bin/echo /*/*/*/*
this does not:
echo /*/*/*/*

A lot of people here will try to answer your problem when they should be
asking for more information.

Post by sam
in the case of this situation, the solution proposed is as i stated, freely
used/provided on a number of sites..

It doesn't mean it's the right solution. Maquerading (more properly,
Network Address Translation (NAT)) is good when you're connecting your
SOHO LAN to the Internet and you want the LAN protected.

If you want to run servers of any kind on both sides to serve the other
(and this would include Windows desktops sharing files), then NAT is
wrong. Mostly, when people configure a router, the would like avery
machine on each side to see all on the other.

[sam]

John...

The one line that you posted, about "this being wrong" was not directed at a
posting stating that this was the right/only way to accomplish my goal.
Rather, the posting that I did, that you replied to, was my solution to the
issue that I had faced, letting people who had provided information to know
that I had solved it.

I quite clearly posted what my setup was, and what I had changed/modified,
to allow someone else who might it, to take advantage of the situation.

You as always, are quite able and in fact can add to the knowledgebase if
you care to by scratching out a rough layout, and describing what should be
implemented as you would choose to do it.

peace...


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Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:56 PM
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Subject: Re: Running Wireless and Wired eth connections at the same time

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by John Summerfield
I prefer to keep trying to educate them; if it keeps your inbox and mine
down, that's good. It won't stop everyone, I don't anticipate otherwise.

I detect a bit of contradiction....

Look for some irony. Nobody's paid to attend to these lists, and nobody
really expects to be paid.

Post by Ed Greshko
You say "I prefer to keep trying to educate them" yet you post one line
responses of debatable value. And, you seem to have indicated that it is
lack of compensation as part of the issue. As in you don't get paid

enough

Post by Ed Greshko
to provide a complete and comprehensive response.

If someone's prepared to pay a decent sum of money, certainly they'll
get more of my attention. While I'm not being paid, then there's limits
to how much spoon feeding I'll do.

The particular one-liner that seems to have attracted your ire was in
fact preceded in another post by a (brief) outline of what is needed to
do the job properly, without NAT.

Post by Ed Greshko
Certainly, your one line answer hasn't keep anyones inbox less cluttered.
But, I'll take responsibility for that. :-(
In any event...life goes on.

Post by John Summerfield

Post by Ed Greshko
Don't open a soup kitchen. :-)

My waist says I eat too well!

Looking down on mine has convinced me that it is time to head out for a

35km

Post by Ed Greshko
bike ride.

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Post by sam
John...
The one line that you posted, about "this being wrong" was not directed at a

I think I said "probably wrong."

Post by sam
posting stating that this was the right/only way to accomplish my goal.
Rather, the posting that I did, that you replied to, was my solution to the
issue that I had faced, letting people who had provided information to know
that I had solved it.

I replied to several. Your initial posting (10/15/07 09:30) was asking
for information.

At 10/17/07 08:22 I asserted Marko was wrong (his post invited that
response) that you needed bridging. Bridging would work, but leave the
network(s) unable to contact the router.

I also outlined my suggestion then.

Post by sam
I quite clearly posted what my setup was, and what I had changed/modified,
to allow someone else who might it, to take advantage of the situation.
You as always, are quite able and in fact can add to the knowledgebase if
you care to by scratching out a rough layout, and describing what should be
implemented as you would choose to do it.

In the context of your having done something different from what routers
generally do, I said "That's usually wrong "

I should have pruned, but I'd already given the usual solution.

I actually run a similar setup here, including two wireless links:

In the house: First building Second bldg
[internet] --- [router]+[AP} -- [router]-[AP]--- [router]

The first router is a Pentium IV running CentOS4. It's wired to an
access point.

The second router is a laptop running FC5 or so, with a pccard and wired
to a second AP.

The third router is in my office, and runs WBEL4. it has a tp-link PCI
wireless card, and serves the peecees in the office.

I wouldn't ordinarily use two APs for such a setup, but the signal from
the house simply doesn't carry well enough.

From house to second building is what I'd suggest for most people.
Subject to routing and firewalls all machines can reach all the others.
With your setup, that's not possible.

That's why yours is "usually wrong."

[John Summerfield]

Post by sam
John...
The one line that you posted, about "this being wrong" was not directed at a

I think I said "probably wrong."

Post by sam
posting stating that this was the right/only way to accomplish my goal.
Rather, the posting that I did, that you replied to, was my solution to the
issue that I had faced, letting people who had provided information to know
that I had solved it.

I replied to several. Your initial posting (10/15/07 09:30) was asking
for information.

At 10/17/07 08:22 I asserted Marko was wrong (his post invited that
response) that you needed bridging. Bridging would work, but leave the
network(s) unable to contact the router.

I also outlined my suggestion then.

Post by sam
I quite clearly posted what my setup was, and what I had changed/modified,
to allow someone else who might it, to take advantage of the situation.
You as always, are quite able and in fact can add to the knowledgebase if
you care to by scratching out a rough layout, and describing what should be
implemented as you would choose to do it.

In the context of your having done something different from what routers
generally do, I said "That's usually wrong "

I should have pruned, but I'd already given the usual solution.

I actually run a similar setup here, including two wireless links:

In the house: First building Second bldg
[internet] --- [router]+[AP} -- [router]-[AP]--- [router]

The first router is a Pentium IV running CentOS4. It's wired to an
access point.

The second router is a laptop running FC5 or so, with a pccard and wired
to a second AP.

The third router is in my office, and runs WBEL4. it has a tp-link PCI
wireless card, and serves the peecees in the office.

I wouldn't ordinarily use two APs for such a setup, but the signal from
the house simply doesn't carry well enough.

From house to second building is what I'd suggest for most people.
Subject to routing and firewalls all machines can reach all the others.
With your setup, that's not possible.

That's why yours is "usually wrong."

[sam]

but see john...

i wasn't asking for your information in this case.

i was describing the setup that i implemented, that provided the solution
that worked for me, for the setup that i described.

as i've stated, you're more than welcome to craft your own network and the
solution that you would implement.

peace..


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[mailto:fedora-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of John Summerfield
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:27 PM
To: For users of Fedora
Subject: Re: Running Wireless and Wired eth connections at the same time

Post by sam
so john...
in your case.. when the user uses google to find an answer.. what happens
when the user gets conflicting information from different sites.

Then a sensible user might post to the question, outline what she's
done, the conflicting information found, the results of trying out one
or more of the pieces of advice.

Then, seeing that the user has made a decent effort, more (and more
capable) people will respond, and not rehash the same ground.

Post by sam
you see, you never ask if the user has used google, or where they got

their

Post by sam
information, you simply assume that the user is asking without doing any
initial research.

The onus is on the user. If you want good advice, make sure that you can
filter out the nonsense, and there is quite a deal of that on any list,
as people begin to help.

heck, i spout a bit myself sometimes, most recently not realising that
while this fails:
/bin/echo /*/*/*/*
this does not:
echo /*/*/*/*

A lot of people here will try to answer your problem when they should be
asking for more information.

Post by sam
in the case of this situation, the solution proposed is as i stated,

freely

Post by sam
used/provided on a number of sites..

It doesn't mean it's the right solution. Maquerading (more properly,
Network Address Translation (NAT)) is good when you're connecting your
SOHO LAN to the Internet and you want the LAN protected.

If you want to run servers of any kind on both sides to serve the other
(and this would include Windows desktops sharing files), then NAT is
wrong. Mostly, when people configure a router, the would like avery
machine on each side to see all on the other.


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[sam]

dayum!!!!

be careful ed.... or get a bigger bike!

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Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 12:56 AM
To: For users of Fedora
Subject: Re: Running Wireless and Wired eth connections at the same time

Post by Ed Greshko
Looking down on mine has convinced me that it is time to head out for a 35km
bike ride.

I think I should not have done that.... Got hit by a motor scooter... Only
a broken nose, destroyed glasses and numerous abrasions. In hind sight I
should have stayed home and argued needlessly. :-(

[sam]

Hi...

I have a laptop that's connected to the 'net via the wireless port. It
works. I also have the eth0 port that I use to connect to another box that's
not connected to the 'net...

so

internal box >>>>laptop >>>>> internet
(X) (Y)

X - eth0
Y - ath0

Each of the connections work.

My question, how do I set them up (if possible) so I can have them both
working at the same time. As it is now, it I have them both active, I can
only access the connections to the 1st one that was active..

The nics are on separate IP addresses..

I've been looking high/low to try to figure this out. I need to accomplish
this, as I'd like to update the internal computer with Fedora update rpms
via yum, which requires internet access.

thanks

[Timothy Murphy]

Post by sam
I have a laptop that's connected to the 'net via the wireless port. It
works. I also have the eth0 port that I use to connect to another box
that's not connected to the 'net...
so
internal box >>>>laptop >>>>> internet
(X) (Y)
X - eth0
Y - ath0
Each of the connections work.
My question, how do I set them up (if possible) so I can have them both
working at the same time. As it is now, it I have them both active, I can
only access the connections to the 1st one that was active..
The nics are on separate IP addresses..
I've been looking high/low to try to figure this out. I need to accomplish
this, as I'd like to update the internal computer with Fedora update rpms
via yum, which requires internet access.

I may not have understood the question,
but I would use two different subnets, say 192.168.1.* and 192.168.2.*
for the two connections.

If you are not using dhcp you can do this by specifying the IP addresses
in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-[ath0,eth0] .

I think many people have two (or more) connections active
on the same computer.

[sam]

Hi Tim.

Thanks. You understand! However, with setting up two subnets, I have the
issue of the internal server not being able to see anything but the laptop.
I'd like a way to be able to allow the internal box to access the internet
via the laptop's wireless connection...

the basic issue is I'm not sure how to configure the laptop, and the
internal server to allow the internal server to be able to access the
internet as well...

here's what i have so far.

Post by sam

dns

internal box <<<< >>>laptop >>>+>>> internet
192.168.2.99 (eth0) (ath0)
192.168.2.33 192.168.1.33

the laptop can access both the internal box, and the internet
the internal box can only access the laptop...

i'm trying to be able to allow the internal box to be able to access
everything that the laptop can...

thanks



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Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 7:35 PM
To: fedora-list at redhat.com
Subject: Re: Running Wireless and Wired eth connections at the same time

Post by sam
I have a laptop that's connected to the 'net via the wireless port. It
works. I also have the eth0 port that I use to connect to another box
that's not connected to the 'net...
so
internal box >>>>laptop >>>>> internet
(X) (Y)
X - eth0
Y - ath0
Each of the connections work.
My question, how do I set them up (if possible) so I can have them both
working at the same time. As it is now, it I have them both active, I can
only access the connections to the 1st one that was active..
The nics are on separate IP addresses..
I've been looking high/low to try to figure this out. I need to accomplish
this, as I'd like to update the internal computer with Fedora update rpms
via yum, which requires internet access.

I may not have understood the question,
but I would use two different subnets, say 192.168.1.* and 192.168.2.*
for the two connections.

If you are not using dhcp you can do this by specifying the IP addresses
in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-[ath0,eth0] .

I think many people have two (or more) connections active
on the same computer.

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tel: [phone]
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Post by sam
Hi...
I have a laptop that's connected to the 'net via the wireless port. It
works. I also have the eth0 port that I use to connect to another box that's
not connected to the 'net...
so
internal box >>>>laptop >>>>> internet
(X) (Y)
X - eth0
Y - ath0
Each of the connections work.
My question, how do I set them up (if possible) so I can have them both
working at the same time. As it is now, it I have them both active, I can
only access the connections to the 1st one that was active..
The nics are on separate IP addresses..
I've been looking high/low to try to figure this out. I need to accomplish
this, as I'd like to update the internal computer with Fedora update rpms
via yum, which requires internet access.

Are you using Network Mangler?

I have not problem, not using it. but I enabled it on my Laptop
(openSuSe 10.2) where it's basically broken.

[sam]

Hi john, and all!!

Thanks for the replies to this....

What I really wound up doing to resolve this:

Setup:
Laptop
ath0 - 192.168.1.33 (sub1)
eth0 - 192.168.2.33 (sub2)

Internal Box
eth0 - 192.168.2.99 (sub2)

This allows me to be able to have the laptop connect to both the wireless
network, and the internal box at the same time.

I also needed to modify the laptop/internal box:

Laptop:
-setup iptables for masquerade on ath0 port.
this basically takes traffic on eth0 and forwards it to ath0
-setup box for ip_forwarding (/etc/sysctl.conf)

Internal Box
-setup "route" to use the laptop eth0 as the gateway (route
cmd)

To ensure traffic works, check the traffic on the laptop for both eth0/ath0
using iptraf, to see what is coming from the Internal box, and to ensure
that it gets to the wireless network...

It works as required....

Thanks!!


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[mailto:fedora-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of John Summerfield
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:23 PM
To: For users of Fedora
Subject: Re: Running Wireless and Wired eth connections at the same time

Post by Marko Vojinovic

Post by sam
here's what i have so far.

dns

internal box <<<< >>>laptop >>>+>>> internet
192.168.2.99 (eth0) (ath0)
192.168.2.33 192.168.1.33
the laptop can access both the internal box, and the internet
the internal box can only access the laptop...
i'm trying to be able to allow the internal box to be able to access
everything that the laptop can...

Maybe I am wrong, but I believe You need to setup eth0 as a bridged

network

Post by Marko Vojinovic
connection. There is a howto about it in www.tldp.org :-).

You are.

The laptop needs forwarding enabled:
10:13 [summer at numbat ~]$ grep ip_ /etc/sysctl.conf
net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0
08:19 [summer at numbat ~]$
Change that to 1. "man sysctl"

Hosts on each side need route set so the can find the other. "man route"

Use of tcpdump on the laptop can help sort out where packets are being
lost. "man tcpdump"
Something like this:
tcpdump -i any host a and host b
Hosts a and be are on opposite sides of the laptop.



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[sam]

hey john..

since you've stated that what i did was "usually" wrong, and what i did,
happened to be what a number of other people on other sites have done, why
don't you give details, examples, theory as to why it's wrong. also, provide
a better solution, along with the theory/rationale as to why your approach
is more stable, more secure, etc...

thanks

-Sam



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Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:00 PM
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Subject: Re: Running Wireless and Wired eth connections at the same time

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by John Summerfield

Post by sam
Hi john, and all!!
Thanks for the replies to this....
Laptop
ath0 - 192.168.1.33 (sub1)
eth0 - 192.168.2.33 (sub2)
Internal Box
eth0 - 192.168.2.99 (sub2)
This allows me to be able to have the laptop connect to both the

wireless

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by John Summerfield

Post by sam
network, and the internal box at the same time.
-setup iptables for masquerade on ath0 port.

That's usually wrong

It may be...if we were able to divine what "that" is. :-)

How about the immediate preceding statement? I reply in context, so look
to see what the context is.


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[sam]

no john..

unless i missed one of your posts, you didn't outline what was wrong. if you
did, could you repost as i'm missing some of this thread.

as far as the masquerade, i would suggest you google. there are plenty of
sites using it, suggesting it. there are plenty of people on various
forums/channels mentioning it as well...

so, if you have specific knowledge of why it's wrong, share, or in the words
of a friend of mine.. shut the f* up...

peace..


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Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 5:00 PM
To: For users of Fedora
Subject: Re: Running Wireless and Wired eth connections at the same time

Post by John Summerfield

Post by sam
hey john..
since you've stated that what i did was "usually" wrong, and what i did,
happened to be what a number of other people on other sites have done,
why
don't you give details, examples, theory as to why it's wrong. also,
provide
a better solution, along with the theory/rationale as to why your
approach
is more stable, more secure, etc...

Because you don't pay me enough. If you want to be spoon-fed, then i
want to be paid.

I should also mention I outlined the basics in this thread already.


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[sam]

so john...

in your case.. when the user uses google to find an answer.. what happens
when the user gets conflicting information from different sites.

you see, you never ask if the user has used google, or where they got their
information, you simply assume that the user is asking without doing any
initial research.

in the case of this situation, the solution proposed is as i stated, freely
used/provided on a number of sites..

anyway.. peace.


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:fedora-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of John Summerfield
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:59 PM
To: For users of Fedora
Subject: Re: Running Wireless and Wired eth connections at the same time

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by John Summerfield
Because you don't pay me enough. If you want to be spoon-fed, then i
want to be paid.

Hey, I have an idea....
Since responding with one liners isn't helpful and you don't want to spoon
feed people but want to be paid to be "really" helpful...then try not
posting. It will be easier for all involved.

It would be easier for all (including the beginners) if people with
problems made a decent effort to find out for themselves. There's not
much here that google doesn't already know about.

If people took a few minutes to google, they'd have their answers before
their questions got an answer, and that would be better for them.

Post by Ed Greshko
Or, if you can't resist the urge to post, simply create a template

response

Post by Ed Greshko
of "RTFM" and be done with it.
IMHO, this and other lists are all about sharing and spreading knowledge.
If you're not willing to share...I think you can finish that sentence.
FWIW, haven't you ever been a newbie?

yes, Ed. I said so. I also described how I learned to feed myself.
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[sam]

John...

The one line that you posted, about "this being wrong" was not directed at a
posting stating that this was the right/only way to accomplish my goal.
Rather, the posting that I did, that you replied to, was my solution to the
issue that I had faced, letting people who had provided information to know
that I had solved it.

I quite clearly posted what my setup was, and what I had changed/modified,
to allow someone else who might it, to take advantage of the situation.

You as always, are quite able and in fact can add to the knowledgebase if
you care to by scratching out a rough layout, and describing what should be
implemented as you would choose to do it.

peace...


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Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:56 PM
To: For users of Fedora
Subject: Re: Running Wireless and Wired eth connections at the same time

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by John Summerfield
I prefer to keep trying to educate them; if it keeps your inbox and mine
down, that's good. It won't stop everyone, I don't anticipate otherwise.

I detect a bit of contradiction....

Look for some irony. Nobody's paid to attend to these lists, and nobody
really expects to be paid.

Post by Ed Greshko
You say "I prefer to keep trying to educate them" yet you post one line
responses of debatable value. And, you seem to have indicated that it is
lack of compensation as part of the issue. As in you don't get paid

enough

Post by Ed Greshko
to provide a complete and comprehensive response.

If someone's prepared to pay a decent sum of money, certainly they'll
get more of my attention. While I'm not being paid, then there's limits
to how much spoon feeding I'll do.

The particular one-liner that seems to have attracted your ire was in
fact preceded in another post by a (brief) outline of what is needed to
do the job properly, without NAT.

Post by Ed Greshko
Certainly, your one line answer hasn't keep anyones inbox less cluttered.
But, I'll take responsibility for that. :-(
In any event...life goes on.

Post by John Summerfield

Post by Ed Greshko
Don't open a soup kitchen. :-)

My waist says I eat too well!

Looking down on mine has convinced me that it is time to head out for a

35km

Post by Ed Greshko
bike ride.

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[sam]

but see john...

i wasn't asking for your information in this case.

i was describing the setup that i implemented, that provided the solution
that worked for me, for the setup that i described.

as i've stated, you're more than welcome to craft your own network and the
solution that you would implement.

peace..


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[mailto:fedora-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of John Summerfield
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:27 PM
To: For users of Fedora
Subject: Re: Running Wireless and Wired eth connections at the same time

Post by sam
so john...
in your case.. when the user uses google to find an answer.. what happens
when the user gets conflicting information from different sites.

Then a sensible user might post to the question, outline what she's
done, the conflicting information found, the results of trying out one
or more of the pieces of advice.

Then, seeing that the user has made a decent effort, more (and more
capable) people will respond, and not rehash the same ground.

Post by sam
you see, you never ask if the user has used google, or where they got

their

Post by sam
information, you simply assume that the user is asking without doing any
initial research.

The onus is on the user. If you want good advice, make sure that you can
filter out the nonsense, and there is quite a deal of that on any list,
as people begin to help.

heck, i spout a bit myself sometimes, most recently not realising that
while this fails:
/bin/echo /*/*/*/*
this does not:
echo /*/*/*/*

A lot of people here will try to answer your problem when they should be
asking for more information.

Post by sam
in the case of this situation, the solution proposed is as i stated,

freely

Post by sam
used/provided on a number of sites..

It doesn't mean it's the right solution. Maquerading (more properly,
Network Address Translation (NAT)) is good when you're connecting your
SOHO LAN to the Internet and you want the LAN protected.

If you want to run servers of any kind on both sides to serve the other
(and this would include Windows desktops sharing files), then NAT is
wrong. Mostly, when people configure a router, the would like avery
machine on each side to see all on the other.


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[sam]

dayum!!!!

be careful ed.... or get a bigger bike!

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[mailto:fedora-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Ed Greshko
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 12:56 AM
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Subject: Re: Running Wireless and Wired eth connections at the same time

Post by Ed Greshko
Looking down on mine has convinced me that it is time to head out for a 35km
bike ride.

I think I should not have done that.... Got hit by a motor scooter... Only
a broken nose, destroyed glasses and numerous abrasions. In hind sight I
should have stayed home and argued needlessly. :-(