Could Canadian Scientists Take a Lesson From US Latest Policy Revamp?

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Post by Awaken21
Say it ain't so...
http://bit.ly/webKYm
Since we already touched a little on this subject, which won't, I
think, be covered by any mega media.

It will be covered by the megamedia here when it
is made an issue of somehow. Right now they are
putting their attention on government scandals.

What is happening is that we have our version of
the Bush administration in power and it is
controlling everything from the PMO...EVERYTHING.
It's not just targets close to the Conservative
heart like climate change. It's everything up
and down the bureaucratic ladder. The PMO is in
high tyrant mode.

But on climate change, there is a reason for the
extra control. The delay (and let's admit it,
that's all it is) of the pipeline to take oil
from the Athabasca tar sands to you all is
giving Harper all the reason he needs to court
other energy-hungry suitors who shall remain
nameless but whose names rhyme with "we get all
our cheap electronics from them". They don't
appear concerned about the environment but they
are still image conscious enough that they
wouldn't want to be known as the buyers of the
world's dirtiest oil.

Yes, I am referring to baby sealskin oil.

--
Love

May Shai-Hulud clear the path before you.

Wilson

2012-02-26 15:47:24 UTC

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Post by Awaken21
Say it ain't so...
http://bit.ly/webKYm
Since we already touched a little on this subject, which won't, I
think, be covered by any mega media.

It will be covered by the megamedia here when it
is made an issue of somehow. Right now they are
putting their attention on government scandals.
What is happening is that we have our version of
the Bush administration in power and it is
controlling everything from the PMO...EVERYTHING.
It's not just targets close to the Conservative
heart like climate change. It's everything up
and down the bureaucratic ladder. The PMO is in
high tyrant mode.
But on climate change, there is a reason for the
extra control. The delay (and let's admit it,
that's all it is) of the pipeline to take oil
from the Athabasca tar sands to you all is
giving Harper all the reason he needs to court
other energy-hungry suitors who shall remain
nameless but whose names rhyme with "we get all
our cheap electronics from them". They don't
appear concerned about the environment but they
are still image conscious enough that they
wouldn't want to be known as the buyers of the
world's dirtiest oil.
Yes, I am referring to baby sealskin oil.

Too cute by half.

The need to control the story isn't limited to any particular ideology.
Why wouldn't the current office holder control the flow of information
from his (or her) own office?

But the professional bureaucrats who remain in place over the years
resent it. In their minds they know they are the ones pulling the
actual levers of power. Because the elected buffoons reign at their
whim and mercy, as these functionaries have the ability to bring any of
them down at any time.

The professionals, the experts, the over educated, walking the corridors
of influence, stacks of papers in hand. Regulating, controlling,
directing and managing. Officialdom. Though denied the accolades and
fame of public office, these are the joys of their lives. Theirs is the
sweet, secret smell of power.

Those fuckers will be the death of representative democracy.

--
Wilson

Jigme Dorje

2012-02-26 16:07:01 UTC

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Post by Awaken21
Say it ain't so...
http://bit.ly/webKYm
Since we already touched a little on this subject, which won't, I
think, be covered by any mega media.

It will be covered by the megamedia here when it
is made an issue of somehow. Right now they are
putting their attention on government scandals.
What is happening is that we have our version of
the Bush administration in power and it is
controlling everything from the PMO...EVERYTHING.
It's not just targets close to the Conservative
heart like climate change. It's everything up
and down the bureaucratic ladder. The PMO is in
high tyrant mode.
But on climate change, there is a reason for the
extra control. The delay (and let's admit it,
that's all it is) of the pipeline to take oil
from the Athabasca tar sands to you all is
giving Harper all the reason he needs to court
other energy-hungry suitors who shall remain
nameless but whose names rhyme with "we get all
our cheap electronics from them". They don't
appear concerned about the environment but they
are still image conscious enough that they
wouldn't want to be known as the buyers of the
world's dirtiest oil.
Yes, I am referring to baby sealskin oil.

Too cute by half.
The need to control the story isn't limited to any particular ideology.
Why wouldn't the current office holder control the flow of information
from his (or her) own office?
But the professional bureaucrats who remain in place over the years
resent it. In their minds they know they are the ones pulling the
actual levers of power. Because the elected buffoons reign at their
whim and mercy, as these functionaries have the ability to bring any of
them down at any time.
The professionals, the experts, the over educated, walking the corridors
of influence, stacks of papers in hand. Regulating, controlling,
directing and managing. Officialdom. Though denied the accolades and
fame of public office, these are the joys of their lives. Theirs is the
sweet, secret smell of power.
Those fuckers will be the death of representative democracy.
--
Wilson

No, Wilson, it's the lobbyists.

Love

2012-02-26 16:57:16 UTC

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says...

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Post by Awaken21
Say it ain't so...
http://bit.ly/webKYm
Since we already touched a little on this subject, which won't, I
think, be covered by any mega media.

It will be covered by the megamedia here when it
is made an issue of somehow. Right now they are
putting their attention on government scandals.
What is happening is that we have our version of
the Bush administration in power and it is
controlling everything from the PMO...EVERYTHING.
It's not just targets close to the Conservative
heart like climate change. It's everything up
and down the bureaucratic ladder. The PMO is in
high tyrant mode.
But on climate change, there is a reason for the
extra control. The delay (and let's admit it,
that's all it is) of the pipeline to take oil
from the Athabasca tar sands to you all is
giving Harper all the reason he needs to court
other energy-hungry suitors who shall remain
nameless but whose names rhyme with "we get all
our cheap electronics from them". They don't
appear concerned about the environment but they
are still image conscious enough that they
wouldn't want to be known as the buyers of the
world's dirtiest oil.
Yes, I am referring to baby sealskin oil.

Too cute by half.
The need to control the story isn't limited to any particular ideology.
Why wouldn't the current office holder control the flow of information
from his (or her) own office?

I meant that the entire bureaucracy is being
controlled from the PMO.

Post by Wilson
But the professional bureaucrats who remain in place over the years
resent it. In their minds they know they are the ones pulling the
actual levers of power. Because the elected buffoons reign at their
whim and mercy, as these functionaries have the ability to bring any of
them down at any time.

"Yes Minister" is the best political comedy evah!

Post by Wilson
The professionals, the experts, the over educated, walking the corridors
of influence, stacks of papers in hand. Regulating, controlling,
directing and managing. Officialdom. Though denied the accolades and
fame of public office, these are the joys of their lives. Theirs is the
sweet, secret smell of power.
Those fuckers will be the death of representative democracy.

Well, them plus the lobbyists and most especially
the masses whose engagement come election day can
be relied upon to be shallow.

--
Love

May Shai-Hulud clear the path before you.

Jigme Dorje

2012-02-26 18:17:18 UTC

Post by Love
says...

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Post by Awaken21
Say it ain't so...
http://bit.ly/webKYm
Since we already touched a little on this subject, which won't, I
think, be covered by any mega media.

It will be covered by the megamedia here when it
is made an issue of somehow. Right now they are
putting their attention on government scandals.
What is happening is that we have our version of
the Bush administration in power and it is
controlling everything from the PMO...EVERYTHING.
It's not just targets close to the Conservative
heart like climate change. It's everything up
and down the bureaucratic ladder. The PMO is in
high tyrant mode.
But on climate change, there is a reason for the
extra control. The delay (and let's admit it,
that's all it is) of the pipeline to take oil
from the Athabasca tar sands to you all is
giving Harper all the reason he needs to court
other energy-hungry suitors who shall remain
nameless but whose names rhyme with "we get all
our cheap electronics from them". They don't
appear concerned about the environment but they
are still image conscious enough that they
wouldn't want to be known as the buyers of the
world's dirtiest oil.
Yes, I am referring to baby sealskin oil.

Too cute by half.
The need to control the story isn't limited to any particular ideology.
Why wouldn't the current office holder control the flow of information
from his (or her) own office?

I meant that the entire bureaucracy is being
controlled from the PMO.

"Yes Minister" is the best political comedy evah!

Well, them plus the lobbyists and most especially
the masses whose engagement come election day can
be relied upon to be shallow.

Did you forget to mention the media?

Love

2012-02-27 04:55:19 UTC

Post by Love
says...

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Post by Awaken21
Say it ain't so...
http://bit.ly/webKYm
Since we already touched a little on this subject, which won't, I
think, be covered by any mega media.

It will be covered by the megamedia here when it
is made an issue of somehow. Right now they are
putting their attention on government scandals.
What is happening is that we have our version of
the Bush administration in power and it is
controlling everything from the PMO...EVERYTHING.
It's not just targets close to the Conservative
heart like climate change. It's everything up
and down the bureaucratic ladder. The PMO is in
high tyrant mode.
But on climate change, there is a reason for the
extra control. The delay (and let's admit it,
that's all it is) of the pipeline to take oil
from the Athabasca tar sands to you all is
giving Harper all the reason he needs to court
other energy-hungry suitors who shall remain
nameless but whose names rhyme with "we get all
our cheap electronics from them". They don't
appear concerned about the environment but they
are still image conscious enough that they
wouldn't want to be known as the buyers of the
world's dirtiest oil.
Yes, I am referring to baby sealskin oil.

Too cute by half.
The need to control the story isn't limited to any particular ideology.
Why wouldn't the current office holder control the flow of information
from his (or her) own office?

I meant that the entire bureaucracy is being
controlled from the PMO.

"Yes Minister" is the best political comedy evah!

Well, them plus the lobbyists and most especially
the masses whose engagement come election day can
be relied upon to be shallow.

Did you forget to mention the media?

No, I excluded them deliberately as punishment!

--
Love

May Shai-Hulud clear the path before you.

Awaken21

2012-02-27 14:47:41 UTC

In article<e1c368a7-f94b-4d97-ad6b-

Post by Awaken21
Say it ain't so...
http://bit.ly/webKYm
Since we already touched a little on this subject, which won't, I
think, be covered by any mega media.

It will be covered by the megamedia here when it
is made an issue of somehow. Right now they are
putting their attention on government scandals.
What is happening is that we have our version of
the Bush administration in power and it is
controlling everything from the PMO...EVERYTHING.
It's not just targets close to the Conservative
heart like climate change. It's everything up
and down the bureaucratic ladder. The PMO is in
high tyrant mode.
But on climate change, there is a reason for the
extra control. The delay (and let's admit it,
that's all it is) of the pipeline to take oil
from the Athabasca tar sands to you all is
giving Harper all the reason he needs to court
other energy-hungry suitors who shall remain
nameless but whose names rhyme with "we get all
our cheap electronics from them". They don't
appear concerned about the environment but they
are still image conscious enough that they
wouldn't want to be known as the buyers of the
world's dirtiest oil.
Yes, I am referring to baby sealskin oil.

Too cute by half.
The need to control the story isn't limited to any particular ideology.
Why wouldn't the current office holder control the flow of information
from his (or her) own office?
But the professional bureaucrats who remain in place over the years
resent it. In their minds they know they are the ones pulling the
actual levers of power. Because the elected buffoons reign at their
whim and mercy, as these functionaries have the ability to bring any of
them down at any time.
The professionals, the experts, the over educated, walking the corridors
of influence, stacks of papers in hand. Regulating, controlling,
directing and managing. Officialdom. Though denied the accolades and
fame of public office, these are the joys of their lives. Theirs is the
sweet, secret smell of power.
Those fuckers will be the death of representative democracy.

Yea, your fellow citizens always in the way of real democracy.

Wilson

2012-02-28 00:23:34 UTC

Post by Wilson
The need to control the story isn't limited to any particular ideology.
Why wouldn't the current office holder control the flow of information
from his (or her) own office?
But the professional bureaucrats who remain in place over the years
resent it. In their minds they know they are the ones pulling the
actual levers of power. Because the elected buffoons reign at their
whim and mercy, as these functionaries have the ability to bring any of
them down at any time.
The professionals, the experts, the over educated, walking the corridors
of influence, stacks of papers in hand. Regulating, controlling,
directing and managing. Officialdom. Though denied the accolades and
fame of public office, these are the joys of their lives. Theirs is the
sweet, secret smell of power.
Those fuckers will be the death of representative democracy.

Yea, your fellow citizens always in the way of real democracy.

Pure democracy is a dead end, culminating in mob rule.

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--
Wilson

Jigme Dorje

2012-02-28 00:38:17 UTC

Yea, your fellow citizens always in the way of real democracy.

Pure democracy is a dead end, culminating in mob rule.
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luxpbewJ6Z1r4u7p1o1_500.gif
--
Wilson

ROTFL!

The "pure democracy" strawman is funny too.

Awaken21

2012-02-28 03:17:17 UTC

Yea, your fellow citizens always in the way of real democracy.

Pure democracy is a dead end, culminating in mob rule.
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luxpbewJ6Z1r4u7p1o1_500.gif
--
Wilson

ROTFL!
The "pure democracy" strawman is funny too.

He's not just any fascist tool. He's a funny fascist tool! And halfway
good at propaganda techniques. I still say his business strength is
sales and marketing.

Sanford Manley

2012-02-28 09:11:07 UTC

Post by Awaken21
He's not just any fascist tool. He's a funny fascist tool! And halfway
good at propaganda techniques. I still say his business strength is
sales and marketing.

...and you are Hot to Trotski!

--
Sanford Manley "Trying to be right all the time is a very subtle way of
being wrong."

Awaken21

2012-02-28 11:29:44 UTC

Post by Awaken21
He's not just any fascist tool. He's a funny fascist tool! And halfway
good at propaganda techniques. I still say his business strength is
sales and marketing.

...and you are Hot to Trotski!

lmao.

Maybe. Hard for me to tell. I'm still a financial conservative in the
sense that a budget should be balanced.... OTOH I'm thrilled by the
creation of the new homeless working group at OFTL.

Wilson

2012-02-28 13:00:15 UTC

Post by Awaken21
He's not just any fascist tool. He's a funny fascist tool! And halfway
good at propaganda techniques. I still say his business strength is
sales and marketing.

...and you are Hot to Trotski!

lmao.
Maybe. Hard for me to tell. I'm still a financial conservative in the
sense that a budget should be balanced.... OTOH I'm thrilled by the
creation of the new homeless working group at OFTL.

Mussolini balanced the budget *and* made the trains run on time.
There's your hero.

--
Wilson

pacman

2012-02-28 13:08:46 UTC

Post by Awaken21
He's not just any fascist tool. He's a funny fascist tool! And halfway
good at propaganda techniques. I still say his business strength is
sales and marketing.

...and you are Hot to Trotski!

lmao.
Maybe. Hard for me to tell. I'm still a financial conservative in the
sense that a budget should be balanced.... OTOH I'm thrilled by the
creation of the new homeless working group at OFTL.

Mussolini balanced the budget *and* made the trains run on time.
There's your hero.
--
Wilson

mussolini sounds like spaghetti........ hehe

pacman

2012-02-28 13:20:25 UTC

Post by Awaken21
He's not just any fascist tool. He's a funny fascist tool! And halfway
good at propaganda techniques. I still say his business strength is
sales and marketing.

...and you are Hot to Trotski!

lmao.
Maybe. Hard for me to tell. I'm still a financial conservative in the
sense that a budget should be balanced.... OTOH I'm thrilled by the
creation of the new homeless working group at OFTL.

Mussolini balanced the budget *and* made the trains run on time.
There's your hero.
--
Wilson

idiots!

awaken21

2012-03-02 03:51:36 UTC

Post by Awaken21
He's not just any fascist tool. He's a funny fascist tool! And halfway
good at propaganda techniques. I still say his business strength is
sales and marketing.

...and you are Hot to Trotski!

lmao.
Maybe. Hard for me to tell. I'm still a financial conservative in the
sense that a budget should be balanced.... OTOH I'm thrilled by the
creation of the new homeless working group at OFTL.

Mussolini balanced the budget *and* made the trains run on time.
There's your hero.

That's an interesting switch, on this thread you're arguing I'm an authoritarian, but in the others' your pretending to teach me something about advocating for too much pure democracy.

hehehehe... you're propoganda needs to be spread out more in time so as to not appear contradictory to non-partisans.

Wilson

2012-03-02 12:50:52 UTC

Post by Wilson
Mussolini balanced the budget *and* made the trains run on time.
There's your hero.

That's an interesting switch, on this thread you're arguing I'm an authoritarian, but in the others' your pretending to teach me something about advocating for too much pure democracy.
hehehehe... you're propoganda needs to be spread out more in time so as to not appear contradictory to non-partisans.

It's not contradictory. It's about the middle path. Pure democracy it
totalitarian in nature because it does not protect the individual.

--
Wilson

Jigme Dorje

2012-03-02 15:56:27 UTC

Post by Wilson
Mussolini balanced the budget *and* made the trains run on time.
There's your hero.

That's an interesting switch, on this thread you're arguing I'm an
authoritarian, but in the others' your pretending to teach me
something about advocating for too much pure democracy.
hehehehe... you're propoganda needs to be spread out more in time so
as to not appear contradictory to non-partisans.

It's not contradictory. It's about the middle path. Pure democracy it
totalitarian in nature because it does not protect the individual.

You love to argue about things that don't exist.

awaken21

2012-03-02 16:18:26 UTC

Post by Wilson
Mussolini balanced the budget *and* made the trains run on time.
There's your hero.

That's an interesting switch, on this thread you're arguing I'm an authoritarian, but in the others' your pretending to teach me something about advocating for too much pure democracy.
hehehehe... you're propoganda needs to be spread out more in time so as to not appear contradictory to non-partisans.

It's not contradictory. It's about the middle path.

So defining my stance as both too democratic and too authoritarian isn't going confuse even your own natural allies in the debate?

The middle path is about psychology and spirituality and about how you respond to circumstances emotionally and intellectually and behaviorally. Seems to me out of context here and completely off subject. It's like having a debate with a Christian and in the end they say their political beliefs are handed down by God. Huh?

Post by Wilson
Pure democracy it
totalitarian in nature because it does not protect the individual.

Who is it, except for you, is talking about pure democracy?
If you're taking a shot at defining the Conensus Democratic rules of order used by OWS, that's not a 'pure democracy', although it is closer than what the government uses. So, who is it, except for yourself, that is talking about a pure democracy?
I for one realize we've come thousands of years down the road with democratic systems. And hopefully we're not anywhere near done evolving them. I haven't really seen a pure democracy ever. Not even historically.

I'd tend to agree with Jigme on this one. Since you are the only person talking about a 'pure democracy' it sure looks like a straw man argument to me too.

Wilson

2012-03-02 21:19:12 UTC

Post by Wilson
Mussolini balanced the budget *and* made the trains run on time.
There's your hero.

That's an interesting switch, on this thread you're arguing I'm an authoritarian, but in the others' your pretending to teach me something about advocating for too much pure democracy.
hehehehe... you're propoganda needs to be spread out more in time so as to not appear contradictory to non-partisans.

It's not contradictory. It's about the middle path.

So defining my stance as both too democratic and too authoritarian isn't going confuse even your own natural allies in the debate?
The middle path is about psychology and spirituality and about how you respond to circumstances emotionally and intellectually and behaviorally. Seems to me out of context here and completely off subject. It's like having a debate with a Christian and in the end they say their political beliefs are handed down by God. Huh?

Post by Wilson
Pure democracy it
totalitarian in nature because it does not protect the individual.

Who is it, except for you, is talking about pure democracy?
If you're taking a shot at defining the Conensus Democratic rules of order used by OWS, that's not a 'pure democracy', although it is closer than what the government uses. So, who is it, except for yourself, that is talking about a pure democracy?
I for one realize we've come thousands of years down the road with democratic systems. And hopefully we're not anywhere near done evolving them. I haven't really seen a pure democracy ever. Not even historically.
I'd tend to agree with Jigme on this one. Since you are the only person talking about a 'pure democracy' it sure looks like a straw man argument to me too.

I've never claimed to be qualified to speak about Buddhism so if you say
something's not relevant to it, then as far as I know it isn't. But the
'middle path' does not depend on Buddhism. It's a philosophical potion
and an approach to life as well.

Why does anyone else have to be talking about pure democracy for the
idea to have any relevance? I keep hearing about the evils of one man
rule but hardly anyone ever talks about the potential evils of
democracy. Maybe it's time we look at mob rule and what it can do. Or
does it rankle your ideology to consider that?

--
Wilson

Jigme Dorje

2012-03-02 21:45:19 UTC

Post by Wilson
Mussolini balanced the budget *and* made the trains run on time.
There's your hero.

That's an interesting switch, on this thread you're arguing I'm an
authoritarian, but in the others' your pretending to teach me
something about advocating for too much pure democracy.
hehehehe... you're propoganda needs to be spread out more in time so
as to not appear contradictory to non-partisans.

It's not contradictory. It's about the middle path.

So defining my stance as both too democratic and too authoritarian
isn't going confuse even your own natural allies in the debate?
The middle path is about psychology and spirituality and about how you
respond to circumstances emotionally and intellectually and
behaviorally. Seems to me out of context here and completely off
subject. It's like having a debate with a Christian and in the end
they say their political beliefs are handed down by God. Huh?

Pure democracy it
totalitarian in nature because it does not protect the individual.

Who is it, except for you, is talking about pure democracy?
If you're taking a shot at defining the Conensus Democratic rules of
order used by OWS, that's not a 'pure democracy', although it is
closer than what the government uses. So, who is it, except for
yourself, that is talking about a pure democracy?
I for one realize we've come thousands of years down the road with
democratic systems. And hopefully we're not anywhere near done
evolving them. I haven't really seen a pure democracy ever. Not even
historically.
I'd tend to agree with Jigme on this one. Since you are the only
person talking about a 'pure democracy' it sure looks like a straw man
argument to me too.

I've never claimed to be qualified to speak about Buddhism so if you say
something's not relevant to it, then as far as I know it isn't. But the
'middle path' does not depend on Buddhism. It's a philosophical potion
and an approach to life as well.
Why does anyone else have to be talking about pure democracy for the
idea to have any relevance? I keep hearing about the evils of one man
rule but hardly anyone ever talks about the potential evils of
democracy. Maybe it's time we look at mob rule and what it can do. Or
does it rankle your ideology to consider that?

You can be the voice in the wilderness.

awaken21

2012-03-02 23:14:47 UTC

Post by Wilson
Mussolini balanced the budget *and* made the trains run on time.
There's your hero.

That's an interesting switch, on this thread you're arguing I'm an authoritarian, but in the others' your pretending to teach me something about advocating for too much pure democracy.
hehehehe... you're propoganda needs to be spread out more in time so as to not appear contradictory to non-partisans.

It's not contradictory. It's about the middle path.

So defining my stance as both too democratic and too authoritarian isn't going confuse even your own natural allies in the debate?
The middle path is about psychology and spirituality and about how you respond to circumstances emotionally and intellectually and behaviorally. Seems to me out of context here and completely off subject. It's like having a debate with a Christian and in the end they say their political beliefs are handed down by God. Huh?

Post by Wilson
Pure democracy it
totalitarian in nature because it does not protect the individual.

Who is it, except for you, is talking about pure democracy?
If you're taking a shot at defining the Conensus Democratic rules of order used by OWS, that's not a 'pure democracy', although it is closer than what the government uses. So, who is it, except for yourself, that is talking about a pure democracy?
I for one realize we've come thousands of years down the road with democratic systems. And hopefully we're not anywhere near done evolving them. I haven't really seen a pure democracy ever. Not even historically.
I'd tend to agree with Jigme on this one. Since you are the only person talking about a 'pure democracy' it sure looks like a straw man argument to me too.

Except for the part where the middle path is defined by Buddhist practice.

Post by Wilson
Why does anyone else have to be talking about pure democracy for the
idea to have any relevance?

You used the idea as though it had already been brought up and was flawed, when in fact you brought up the flawed conecept.

Post by Wilson
I keep hearing about the evils of one man
rule but hardly anyone ever talks about the potential evils of
democracy. Maybe it's time we look at mob rule and what it can do. Or
does it rankle your ideology to consider that?

No problem here. Let's start with the fact that Democracy has NEVER been defined as mob rule. Democracy is in fact defined primarily as being egalitarian. The opposite of mob rule.

So starting at that point, what is it you want to discuss about mob rule?

Wilson

2012-03-03 00:06:50 UTC

Post by Wilson
Mussolini balanced the budget *and* made the trains run on time.
There's your hero.

That's an interesting switch, on this thread you're arguing I'm an authoritarian, but in the others' your pretending to teach me something about advocating for too much pure democracy.
hehehehe... you're propoganda needs to be spread out more in time so as to not appear contradictory to non-partisans.

It's not contradictory. It's about the middle path.

So defining my stance as both too democratic and too authoritarian isn't going confuse even your own natural allies in the debate?
The middle path is about psychology and spirituality and about how you respond to circumstances emotionally and intellectually and behaviorally. Seems to me out of context here and completely off subject. It's like having a debate with a Christian and in the end they say their political beliefs are handed down by God. Huh?

Post by Wilson
Pure democracy it
totalitarian in nature because it does not protect the individual.

Who is it, except for you, is talking about pure democracy?
If you're taking a shot at defining the Conensus Democratic rules of order used by OWS, that's not a 'pure democracy', although it is closer than what the government uses. So, who is it, except for yourself, that is talking about a pure democracy?
I for one realize we've come thousands of years down the road with democratic systems. And hopefully we're not anywhere near done evolving them. I haven't really seen a pure democracy ever. Not even historically.
I'd tend to agree with Jigme on this one. Since you are the only person talking about a 'pure democracy' it sure looks like a straw man argument to me too.

Except for the part where the middle path is defined by Buddhist practice.

Post by Wilson
Why does anyone else have to be talking about pure democracy for the
idea to have any relevance?

You used the idea as though it had already been brought up and was flawed, when in fact you brought up the flawed conecept.

No problem here. Let's start with the fact that Democracy has NEVER been defined as mob rule. Democracy is in fact defined primarily as being egalitarian. The opposite of mob rule.
So starting at that point, what is it you want to discuss about mob rule?

So then, democracy is not one man, one vote?

--
Wilson

Sanford Manley

2012-02-28 13:32:53 UTC

Post by Awaken21
He's not just any fascist tool. He's a funny fascist tool! And halfway
good at propaganda techniques. I still say his business strength is
sales and marketing.

...and you are Hot to Trotski!

lmao.
Maybe. Hard for me to tell. I'm still a financial conservative in the
sense that a budget should be balanced.... OTOH I'm thrilled by the
creation of the new homeless working group at OFTL.

It is starting to remind me of that thing where the high school
students go to Washington and shadow legislators. They discuss
and debate and hold votes and form committees. It is all very cute
but accomplishes nothing.

--
Sanford Manley "Trying to be right all the time is a very subtle way of
being wrong."

awaken21

2012-03-02 03:42:46 UTC

Post by Awaken21
He's not just any fascist tool. He's a funny fascist tool! And halfway
good at propaganda techniques. I still say his business strength is
sales and marketing.

...and you are Hot to Trotski!

lmao.
Maybe. Hard for me to tell. I'm still a financial conservative in the
sense that a budget should be balanced.... OTOH I'm thrilled by the
creation of the new homeless working group at OFTL.

I disagre

Post by Sanford Manley
--
Sanford Manley "Trying to be right all the time is a very subtle way of
being wrong."

Post by Awaken21
He's not just any fascist tool. He's a funny fascist tool! And halfway
good at propaganda techniques. I still say his business strength is
sales and marketing.

...and you are Hot to Trotski!

lmao.
Maybe. Hard for me to tell. I'm still a financial conservative in the
sense that a budget should be balanced.... OTOH I'm thrilled by the
creation of the new homeless working group at OFTL.

When I did it it made me politically active, and taught me how to lobby and influence legislators more effectively than by voting.
I'm still cute too...

Sanford Manley

2012-03-02 04:07:01 UTC

Post by Awaken21
Maybe. Hard for me to tell. I'm still a financial conservative in the
sense that a budget should be balanced.... OTOH I'm thrilled by the
creation of the new homeless working group at OFTL.

When I did it it made me politically active, and taught me how to
lobby and influence legislators more effectively than by voting.
I'm still cute too...

...and in the end, the insiders do what the hell they want and
propagandize everybody else into polarized groups.

I have had some access to actual policy makers and I let them
know to their dismay that I am not playing. I cannot support
either party, nor will I. Nor will I vote for either party.
Years ago, when Nixon talked about the "silent majority" he
was actually referring to people like me who would not participate
because of the wedge issue game that the parties play. When
THOSE people actually get irritated enough, change happens.
A lot of people voted for Obama because they wanted to finally
get by the indictment that we could not elect an black dude.
(Although I remember the disgusting debate about whether
he was black enough). Plus yes, in the end, voting for Palin
on any ticket was stupid. Now we have a "choice" with more
Obama or Romney, Gingrich, or Santorum. Hell of a choice that
is and unless something changes, we will have four more years
of Obama...which I must admit is the best of the choices.

BTW, I am watching "Archer" which is super-duper good. Anybody
else watching that?

--
Sanford Manley "Trying to be right all the time is a very subtle way of
being wrong."

awaken21

2012-03-02 04:33:38 UTC

When I did it it made me politically active, and taught me how to
lobby and influence legislators more effectively than by voting.
I'm still cute too...

...and in the end, the insiders do what the hell they want and
propagandize everybody else into polarized groups.

If a 'final solution' is the expectation, that WOULD be depressing. I don't agree with your assessment of complete uselessness obviously.

Post by Sanford Manley
I have had some access to actual policy makers and I let them
know to their dismay that I am not playing. I cannot support
either party, nor will I. Nor will I vote for either party.

So you go to lawmakers and explain to them why they should completely ignore you. No wonder you're cynical.

Post by Sanford Manley
Years ago, when Nixon talked about the "silent majority" he
was actually referring to people like me who would not participate
because of the wedge issue game that the parties play. When
THOSE people actually get irritated enough, change happens.
A lot of people voted for Obama because they wanted to finally
get by the indictment that we could not elect an black dude.
(Although I remember the disgusting debate about whether
he was black enough). Plus yes, in the end, voting for Palin
on any ticket was stupid. Now we have a "choice" with more
Obama or Romney, Gingrich, or Santorum. Hell of a choice that
is and unless something changes, we will have four more years
of Obama...which I must admit is the best of the choices.

Not perfect or even great but better than the other options. I'm still working against him a number of fronts....

Post by Sanford Manley
BTW, I am watching "Archer" which is super-duper good. Anybody
else watching that?

I LOVE ARCHER! My oldest daughter says after the 1st season it went straight down hill, but I still think it's funny as hell.

Sanford Manley

2012-03-02 04:47:45 UTC

Post by awaken21
So you go to lawmakers and explain to them why they

should completely ignore you. No wonder you're cynical.

No, they don't take it that way. They are somewhat disturbed
by it because they are so taken up in the game that they are
surprised when someone like me isn't playing.

You might not be surprised that I take the same view
of religion. I am not playing the game. ABSFG is the closest
thing to religion I am going to do.

There is going to come a time when someone can express this
disaffection in a way that is going to catch fire. Until
then we will remain divided and polarized like they like it.

--
Sanford Manley "Trying to be right all the time is a very subtle way of
being wrong."

web head

2012-03-02 05:41:27 UTC

On 3/1/2012 11:33 PM, awaken21 wrote:> So you go to lawmakers and explain to them why they
should completely ignore you. No wonder you're cynical.
No, they don't take it that way. They are somewhat disturbed
by it because they are so taken up in the game that they are
surprised when someone like me isn't playing.
You might not be surprised that I take the same view
of religion. I am not playing the game. ABSFG is the closest
thing to religion I am going to do.
There is going to come a time when someone can express this
disaffection in a way that is going to catch fire. Until
then we will remain divided and polarized like they like it.

i don't know about the divide ever disappearing, maybe competition is
good.... it's interesting element to include in the debate from
outside it. in the end it becomes just another element at war like the
others... it shouldn't take itself too seriously, but at this point it
has more reason to than the others. it might be a filter.

awaken21

2012-03-02 05:13:56 UTC

Post by awaken21
So you go to lawmakers and explain to them why they

should completely ignore you. No wonder you're cynical.
No, they don't take it that way.

Yes, they do in fact take it exactly that way. Not that you'd be able to tell, they are after all politicians.

Post by awaken21
They are somewhat disturbed
by it because they are so taken up in the game that they are
surprised when someone like me isn't playing.
You might not be surprised that I take the same view
of religion. I am not playing the game.

That's an interesting difference between politics and religion. You can opt out of religion. Politics, not so much. You're involved weather or not you take an active role.

Post by awaken21
ABSFG is the closest
thing to religion I am going to do.
There is going to come a time when someone can express this
disaffection in a way that is going to catch fire. Until
then we will remain divided and polarized like they like it.

"You are the change you've been waiting for."

Sanford Manley

2012-03-02 13:08:38 UTC

Post by awaken21
That's an interesting difference between politics and religion.
You can opt out of religion. Politics, not so much. You're involved
weather or not you take an active role.

On that basis, you cannot opt out of religion either since it is
part of the ocean we swim in. I still opt out of both.

(whether)

--
Sanford Manley "Trying to be right all the time is a very subtle way of
being wrong."

web head

2012-03-02 13:13:13 UTC

Post by awaken21
That's an interesting difference between politics and religion.
You can opt out of religion. Politics, not so much. You're involved
weather or not you take an active role.

On that basis, you cannot opt out of religion either since it is
part of the ocean we swim in. I still opt out of both.
(whether)

there's better shit to do!

awaken21

2012-03-02 16:23:20 UTC

Post by awaken21
That's an interesting difference between politics and religion.
You can opt out of religion. Politics, not so much. You're involved
weather or not you take an active role.

On that basis, you cannot opt out of religion either since it is
part of the ocean we swim in. I still opt out of both.

At least in the US your religion doesn't decide what services are available to you, what the laws are, what taxes you have to pay, how public services are delivered and maintained, what you're allowed to do with your own property...

Seems to me there's a huge difference and it doesn't matter what anyone believes. In politics seems to me like you can only opt out of being active in the process, you can't opt out of it's results.

Post by Sanford Manley
(whether)
--
Sanford Manley "Trying to be right all the time is a very subtle way of
being wrong."

Tang Huyen

2012-03-02 17:07:22 UTC

Post by awaken21
At least in the US your religion doesn't
decide what services are available to you,
what the laws are, what taxes you have to
pay, how public services are delivered
and maintained, what you're allowed to do
with your own property...
Seems to me there's a huge difference and
it doesn't matter what anyone believes.
In politics seems to me like you can only
opt out of being active in the process,
you can't opt out of it's results.

In some states of the US, the rainwater that
falls on your property belongs to the state
and not to you.

Regardless of your religion, even if you
have none, the Mormons can charge in to
baptise you after your death. Jews are
particularly susceptible.

Obama's dead mother, Stanley Ann Dunham,
was baptised by them.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/
2008/07/11/finding-his-faith.html

<<Ann later went back to Indonesia with
Maya, and when Obama visited, they would
take him to Borobudur, one of the largest
Buddhist temples in the world. Later,
while working in India, Ann lived for a
time in a Buddhist monastery.>>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/
on-faith/the-religion-and-politics-of-division/
2012/02/22/gIQArmLVVR_story.html?hpid=z2

<<Obama happens to be the kind of Christian
who believes non-Christians, including his
beloved mother, can go to heaven.

Here is what he told a colleague and me
when we interviewed him for Newsweek
magazine during the 2008 campaign: "It is
a precept of my Christian faith that my
redemption comes through Christ, but I am
also a big believer in the Golden Rule,
which I think is an essential pillar not
only of my faith but of my values and my
ideals and my experience here on Earth.
I've said this before, and I know this
raises questions in the minds of some
evangelicals. I do not believe that my
mother, who never formally embraced
Christianity as far as I know . . . I do
not believe she went to hell.">>

Previously, I mentioned that Darwin's
wife Emma was afraid that she and he
would be separated in eternity because
she, as a Christian, would go to heaven
and he, a non-believer, would go to hell.

Madame Guyon often quotes John 14:2:
"In my Father's house are many rooms"
("il y a plusieurs demeures dans le
Royaume du Seigneur", "Il y a plusieurs
demeures dans la maison du Père céleste"),
though she means it only for Christians.
She is defending herself from charges of
heresy.

Tang Huyen

Sanford Manley

2012-03-02 04:49:38 UTC

Post by Sanford Manley
BTW, I am watching "Archer" which is super-duper good. Anybody

Post by Sanford Manley
else watching that?

I LOVE ARCHER! My oldest daughter says after the 1st season it
went straight down hill, but I still think it's funny as hell.

The last one with the dead Italian Prime Minister was a scream
and tonight's episode he gets together with Pam, the chunky blond
and discovers the best sex of his life.

--
Sanford Manley "Trying to be right all the time is a very subtle way of
being wrong."

Wilson

2012-02-28 12:49:01 UTC

Post by Awaken21
Yea, your fellow citizens always in the way of real democracy.

Pure democracy is a dead end, culminating in mob rule.
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luxpbewJ6Z1r4u7p1o1_500.gif
--
Wilson

ROTFL!
The "pure democracy" strawman is funny too.

He's not just any fascist tool. He's a funny fascist tool! And halfway
good at propaganda techniques. I still say his business strength is
sales and marketing.

Fascist? The President you voted for is increasing corporate-government
"cooperation" with more and more of the private sector controled by
government handouts and "investments". Meanwhile increasing citizen
surveillance and the never ending web of laws and controls of what
should otherwise be legal activity. This is the very definition of
fascism implemented.

Educate yourself before it's too late.

--
Wilson

awaken21

2012-03-02 03:29:43 UTC

Post by Awaken21
Yea, your fellow citizens always in the way of real democracy.

Pure democracy is a dead end, culminating in mob rule.
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luxpbewJ6Z1r4u7p1o1_500.gif
--
Wilson

ROTFL!
The "pure democracy" strawman is funny too.

He's not just any fascist tool. He's a funny fascist tool! And halfway
good at propaganda techniques. I still say his business strength is
sales and marketing.

Yea, voting is bitch, adults understand that no choice is 100% what you'd want. But still choosing between him and the choices you represent I'd do it again. and will.

Even as work against his pesky habit if giving too much to police type entities. Still better than the corporations who you spend time on your knees for.

Post by Wilson
Educate yourself before it's too late.

I'm painfully aware that being an adult often means choosing between not so great choices. Perhaps its you that needs to grow up. And I'm not just making fun of your actual height, which would be too easy... hehehehe

Wilson

2012-02-28 12:41:27 UTC

Post by Awaken21
Yea, your fellow citizens always in the way of real democracy.

Pure democracy is a dead end, culminating in mob rule.
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luxpbewJ6Z1r4u7p1o1_500.gif
--
Wilson

ROTFL!
The "pure democracy" strawman is funny too.

Pure democracy is not a straw man. It's been done, to disastrous results.

--
Wilson

awaken21

2012-03-02 03:34:57 UTC

Post by Awaken21
Yea, your fellow citizens always in the way of real democracy.

Pure democracy is a dead end, culminating in mob rule.
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luxpbewJ6Z1r4u7p1o1_500.gif
--
Wilson

ROTFL!
The "pure democracy" strawman is funny too.

Pure democracy is not a straw man.

Perhaps but since the moment you kill someone for having a different opinion that's no longer a democracy, your argument is a straw man. Also the your assumption of the inevitable result is factually arguable.

j***@gmail.com

2012-03-02 04:37:29 UTC

Post by Awaken21
Yea, your fellow citizens always in the way of real democracy.

Pure democracy is a dead end, culminating in mob rule.
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luxpbewJ6Z1r4u7p1o1_500.gif
--
Wilson

ROTFL!
The "pure democracy" strawman is funny too.

Pure democracy is not a straw man.

Actually it is.

Post by awaken21
Perhaps but since the moment you kill someone for having a different
opinion that's no longer a democracy, your argument is a straw man.
Also the your assumption of the inevitable result is factually arguable.

Wilson

2012-03-02 13:00:14 UTC

Post by Awaken21
Yea, your fellow citizens always in the way of real democracy.

Pure democracy is a dead end, culminating in mob rule.
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luxpbewJ6Z1r4u7p1o1_500.gif
--
Wilson

ROTFL!
The "pure democracy" strawman is funny too.

Pure democracy is not a straw man.

Actually it is.

We disagree.

Why can't a democracy vote to kill someone? A democracy is simply the
rule of the majority. Pure democracy has no checks and balances,
everyone has one vote, majority rules.

--
Wilson

Jigme Dorje

2012-03-02 15:57:01 UTC

Post by Awaken21
Yea, your fellow citizens always in the way of real democracy.

Pure democracy is a dead end, culminating in mob rule.
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luxpbewJ6Z1r4u7p1o1_500.gif
--
Wilson

ROTFL!
The "pure democracy" strawman is funny too.

Pure democracy is not a straw man.

Actually it is.

We disagree.

No we don't. You're just not understanding the truth of what I say. ;)

Why can't a democracy vote to kill someone? A democracy is simply the
rule of the majority. Pure democracy has no checks and balances,
everyone has one vote, majority rules.

awaken21

2012-03-02 16:42:00 UTC

Post by Awaken21
Yea, your fellow citizens always in the way of real democracy.

Pure democracy is a dead end, culminating in mob rule.
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luxpbewJ6Z1r4u7p1o1_500.gif
--
Wilson

ROTFL!
The "pure democracy" strawman is funny too.

Pure democracy is not a straw man.

Actually it is.

We disagree.

Why can't a democracy vote to kill someone?

Because the basic purpose within the definition of Democracy is to not have to kill or even do violence to each other. If you violate that principle, you no longer have a democracy, you have something else.

Post by Wilson
A democracy is simply the
rule of the majority.

You must have learned that in 'Far Right Nut Job History Class'. There is no agreed upon definition. However the important aspects of Democracy are usually defined as the power to govern being in the hands of the people who are being governed. The critical aspect of Democracy is not majority rules, but an egalitarian power structure.

Post by Wilson
Pure democracy has no checks and balances,
everyone has one vote, majority rules.

Democracy is seldom defined as the majority rules, instead Democracy is most commonly defined by it's other aspects. I checked out a few sites, very interesting actually, this is from Wiki
"Democracy is an egalitarian form of government in which all the citizens of a nation together determine public policy, the laws and the actions of their state, requiring that all citizens (meeting certain qualifications) have an equal opportunity to express their opinion.

While there is no universally accepted definition of 'democracy',[8] equality and freedom have both been identified as important characteristics of democracy since ancient times.[9] These principles are reflected in all citizens being equal before the law and having equal access to legislative processes."

Notice there's nothing about 'mob rule' or even majority rules. Democracy is about being 'egalitarian'. That means fair to everyone.

So if someone expresses their opinion and that person is killed by the masses, then that's not a democracy.

Hence the reason you are being accused of presenting a straw man. Because the argument that Democracy is about majority rule IS in fact a straw man.

Wilson

2012-03-02 23:48:19 UTC

Post by Awaken21
Yea, your fellow citizens always in the way of real democracy.

Pure democracy is a dead end, culminating in mob rule.
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luxpbewJ6Z1r4u7p1o1_500.gif
--
Wilson

ROTFL!
The "pure democracy" strawman is funny too.

Pure democracy is not a straw man.

Actually it is.

We disagree.

Why can't a democracy vote to kill someone?

Post by Wilson
A democracy is simply the
rule of the majority.

Post by Wilson
Pure democracy has no checks and balances,
everyone has one vote, majority rules.

Democracy is seldom defined as the majority rules, instead Democracy is most commonly defined by it's other aspects. I checked out a few sites, very interesting actually, this is from Wiki
"Democracy is an egalitarian form of government in which all the citizens of a nation together determine public policy, the laws and the actions of their state, requiring that all citizens (meeting certain qualifications) have an equal opportunity to express their opinion.
While there is no universally accepted definition of 'democracy',[8] equality and freedom have both been identified as important characteristics of democracy since ancient times.[9] These principles are reflected in all citizens being equal before the law and having equal access to legislative processes."
Notice there's nothing about 'mob rule' or even majority rules. Democracy is about being 'egalitarian'. That means fair to everyone.
So if someone expresses their opinion and that person is killed by the masses, then that's not a democracy.
Hence the reason you are being accused of presenting a straw man. Because the argument that Democracy is about majority rule IS in fact a straw man.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/democracy

Apparently for a real definition of democracy you need to get off of wiki.

There's a reason equality and freedom have been identified as important
characteristics of democracy. It has the potential to be a huge
disaster if those two are not a part of the package. Ancient Greece
found out how it happens. Ancient Rome, looking at the example of
Greece, went the other way into dictatorial rule.

I learned that in 'Far Right Nut Job History Class'.

--
Wilson

awaken21

2012-03-03 00:13:17 UTC

Post by Awaken21
Yea, your fellow citizens always in the way of real democracy.

Pure democracy is a dead end, culminating in mob rule.
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luxpbewJ6Z1r4u7p1o1_500.gif
--
Wilson

ROTFL!
The "pure democracy" strawman is funny too.

Pure democracy is not a straw man.

Actually it is.

We disagree.

Why can't a democracy vote to kill someone?

Post by Wilson
A democracy is simply the
rule of the majority.

Post by Wilson
Pure democracy has no checks and balances,
everyone has one vote, majority rules.

Democracy is seldom defined as the majority rules, instead Democracy is most commonly defined by it's other aspects. I checked out a few sites, very interesting actually, this is from Wiki
"Democracy is an egalitarian form of government in which all the citizens of a nation together determine public policy, the laws and the actions of their state, requiring that all citizens (meeting certain qualifications) have an equal opportunity to express their opinion.
While there is no universally accepted definition of 'democracy',[8] equality and freedom have both been identified as important characteristics of democracy since ancient times.[9] These principles are reflected in all citizens being equal before the law and having equal access to legislative processes."
Notice there's nothing about 'mob rule' or even majority rules. Democracy is about being 'egalitarian'. That means fair to everyone.
So if someone expresses their opinion and that person is killed by the masses, then that's not a democracy.
Hence the reason you are being accused of presenting a straw man. Because the argument that Democracy is about majority rule IS in fact a straw man.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/democracy
Apparently for a real definition of democracy you need to get off of wiki.

As I said I went to a number of sites. I settled on Wiki because they were all similar. The site you link to for example, I didn't use it because it's sparse on details. Wiki seemed to get into the subject better. But even in your site I noticed that even in your example of a 'real' definition, 'majority rule' is ranked as 4th out of 5 definitions.

1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
2. A political or social unit that has such a government.
3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.
4. Majority rule.
5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.

Post by Wilson
There's a reason equality and freedom have been identified as important
characteristics of democracy. It has the potential to be a huge
disaster if those two are not a part of the package. Ancient Greece
found out how it happens. Ancient Rome, looking at the example of
Greece, went the other way into dictatorial rule.
W

Indeed. At least you've now agreed that if we remove equality and freedom, like when you kill someone for having an opposing opinion, then you don't have a Democracy anymore.

Post by Wilson
I learned that in 'Far Right Nut Job History Class'.

... and much much more.

Wilson

2012-03-03 17:23:10 UTC

Indeed. At least you've now agreed that if we remove equality and freedom, like when you kill someone for having an opposing opinion, then you don't have a Democracy anymore.

It's still a democracy, just a very dangerous one.

--
Wilson

Ned Ludd

2012-03-03 17:45:08 UTC

Indeed. At least you've now agreed that if we remove equality and
freedom, like when you kill someone for having an opposing opinion,
then you don't have a Democracy anymore.

It's still a democracy, just a very dangerous one.
--
Wilson

Why are you even arguing with this fool? He's clearly baiting
you, and his ridiculous, marginal definition of 'democracy' has
nothing whatsoever to do with the accepted meaning of the word.
It has nothing to do with 'equality' or 'freedom' or not killing
people. A democracy can restrict any damn freedoms they want to,
as witnessed by the first two centuries of this country's history.

The root 'cracy' means RULE, and 'demo' means PEOPLE. Democracy
means rule by the people, and if the people want it they can hang
gays by the balls and force raped women to bear their rapists' kids.

Jesus, stop being dicks (both of you)!

Ned

Anarchism (Rule by no one)
Autocracy (Rule by only one)
Democracy (Rule by the people and/or through popular vote)
Monarchy (Rule by one person; often hereditary) Monarchies are one of the
oldest political systems known, developing from tribal structure with one
person the absolute ruler.
Geniocracy (Rule by intelligence)
Meritocracy (Rule by the best)
Technocracy (Rule by experts)
Kratocracy (Rule by the powerful)
Republic (Rule by non-monarch) The first recorded republic was in India in
the 6th century BC (BCE).
Magocracy (Rule by mysticism and the supernatural)
Sultanate (Rule by one person and Allah) an Islamic political structure
combining aspects of monarchy and theocracy
Theocracy (Rule by God; often spiritual representatives) and other religions
too; also can force convert other non-religious person in any type in this
system
Kritocracy (Rule by judges)
Nomocracy (Rule by law)
Parliamentary democracy (Rule by the popular vote through parliament)
Matriarchy (Rule by females)
Patriarchy (Rule by males)
Feudalism (Rule by a lord/king)
Fascism (Rule by a leader)
Oligarchy (Rule by a few)
Stratocracy (Rule by a military government)
Aristocracy (Rule by nobles)
Timocracy (Rule by property owners)
Plutocracy (Rule by money)
Communism (Rule by the workers)
Socialism (Rule by equality)

awaken21

2012-03-04 03:55:19 UTC

Post by Ned Ludd
Jesus, stop being dicks (both of you)!

Sorry Ned, it comes so naturally to me that I'll probably have to disappoint you. Although you might run into issues with DharmaTroll who thinks I'm an asshole. Very different body parts there.

Post by Ned Ludd
Ned

Neolazarusx

2012-03-04 04:31:34 UTC

Post by Ned Ludd
Jesus, stop being dicks (both of you)!

Sorry Ned, it comes so naturally to me that I'll probably have to
disappoint you. Although you might run into issues with DharmaTroll who
thinks I'm an asshole. Very different body parts there.

Post by Ned Ludd
Ned

Gary Johnston: We're dicks! We're reckless, arrogant, stupid dicks. And the
Film Actors Guild are pussies. And Kim Jong Il is an asshole. Pussies don't
like dicks, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck
assholes: assholes that just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think
they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck an
asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is: they fuck
too much or fuck when it isn't appropriate - and it takes a pussy to show
them that. But sometimes, pussies can be so full of shit that they become
assholes themselves... because pussies are an inch and half away from ass
holes. I don't know much about this crazy, crazy world, but I do know this:
If you don't let us fuck this asshole, we're going to have our dicks and
pussies all covered in shit!

Thank you for leading us to the gratuitous "Team America" quote, you
pussies.

--
-NLx

awaken21

2012-03-04 04:44:16 UTC

Post by Neolazarusx

Post by Ned Ludd
Jesus, stop being dicks (both of you)!

Sorry Ned, it comes so naturally to me that I'll probably have to
disappoint you. Although you might run into issues with DharmaTroll who
thinks I'm an asshole. Very different body parts there.

Post by Ned Ludd
Ned

Gary Johnston: We're dicks! We're reckless, arrogant, stupid dicks. And the
Film Actors Guild are pussies. And Kim Jong Il is an asshole. Pussies don't
like dicks, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck
assholes: assholes that just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think
they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck an
asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is: they fuck
too much or fuck when it isn't appropriate - and it takes a pussy to show
them that. But sometimes, pussies can be so full of shit that they become
assholes themselves... because pussies are an inch and half away from ass
If you don't let us fuck this asshole, we're going to have our dicks and
pussies all covered in shit!
Thank you for leading us to the gratuitous "Team America" quote, you
pussies.
--
-NLx

If I were a pussy and a dick that would really change my whole POV about being told to "go fuck yourself".

Ned Ludd

2012-03-04 04:57:58 UTC

Post by Ned Ludd
Jesus, stop being dicks (both of you)!

Sorry Ned, it comes so naturally to me that I'll probably
have to disappoint you. Although you might run into issues
with DharmaTroll who thinks I'm an asshole. Very different
body parts there.

Oh well then by all means dick away! The Titanic's
plummeting and you're arguing over whether it should
be called a ship or a boat.

Ned

awaken21

2012-03-04 05:39:32 UTC

Post by Ned Ludd
Jesus, stop being dicks (both of you)!

Sorry Ned, it comes so naturally to me that I'll probably
have to disappoint you. Although you might run into issues
with DharmaTroll who thinks I'm an asshole. Very different
body parts there.

Oh well then by all means dick away! The Titanic's
plummeting and you're arguing over whether it should
be called a ship or a boat.
Ned

Is that all I'm doing? You sure about that?
hahahahaa... everyone's got an opinion on what I'm doing it seems

http://bit.ly/wZ1e2F

Ned Ludd

2012-03-04 15:24:33 UTC

Post by Ned Ludd
Jesus, stop being dicks (both of you)!

Sorry Ned, it comes so naturally to me that I'll probably
have to disappoint you. Although you might run into issues
with DharmaTroll who thinks I'm an asshole. Very different
body parts there.

Oh well then by all means dick away! The Titanic's
plummeting and you're arguing over whether it should
be called a ship or a boat.
Ned

Is that all I'm doing? You sure about that?
hahahahaa... everyone's got an opinion on what I'm
doing it seems
http://bit.ly/wZ1e2F

That's a very interesting set of pictures. You are an
Occupier. You see yourself as a martyr, a victim, a
God-like figure holding the whole world in his hands,
Sisyphus, and someone better (and more concerned)
than his neighbors at 'fixing' the world.

Most (or all) of these things are consistent with your
posts over the years.

Ned

(Though you might consider adding a picture of
Machiavelli, Hitler, and Cotton Mather to the set.)

Sanford Manley

2012-03-04 15:54:21 UTC

Post by Ned Ludd
That's a very interesting set of pictures. You are an
Occupier. You see yourself as a martyr, a victim, a
God-like figure holding the whole world in his hands,
Sisyphus, and someone better (and more concerned)
than his neighbors at 'fixing' the world.

Yes...he makes me feel ashamed. There he is, fighting
the "one percent" who are raping the American people using
sand as lubricant and here I am sitting comfortably in
my home when I should be setting up flaming roadblocks
in the streets and smashing shop windows.

I guess I will never be a proper revolutionary.

--
Sanford Manley "Trying to be right all the time is a very subtle way of
being wrong."

Ned Ludd

2012-03-04 16:51:45 UTC

It goes without saying. But Occupy is not dead. It is
just waiting for warmer weather. Btw, Julian Assange
appeared on last Sunday's (new) Simpson's. (Or at least
his voice did.) His line was that he was bitching about
the Simpson's invading his privacy.

Ned

Sanford Manley

2012-03-04 17:03:23 UTC

Occupy was run out of West Palm Beach, it appears.
As for Julian Assange...just you vate!

--
Sanford Manley "Trying to be right all the time is a very subtle way of
being wrong."

Ned Ludd

2012-03-04 17:26:30 UTC

Occupy was run out of West Palm Beach, it appears.
As for Julian Assange...just you vate!

What would be the absolutely most sensitive, earth-shaking,
regime-destroying piece of information that could be released
by WikiLeaks in the near term?

Ned

Lee Rudolph

2012-03-04 17:29:48 UTC

Post by Ned Ludd
What would be the absolutely most sensitive, earth-shaking,
regime-destroying piece of information that could be released
by WikiLeaks in the near term?

All the stuff that They don't want you to see, confirming
David Ickes's theories in every detail.

Lee Rudolph

Ned Ludd

2012-03-04 18:35:18 UTC

Post by Ned Ludd
What would be the absolutely most sensitive, earth-shaking,
regime-destroying piece of information that could be released
by WikiLeaks in the near term?

All the stuff that They don't want you to see, confirming
David Ickes's theories in every detail.
Lee Rudolph

Ah the Reptilian Humanoids theory. AND he's an Anunnaki guy!
Where's that damn T-shirt I have? Christ I've gotta find it,
now...

Yes, here it is. Crap. It's a Word doc. Hmmm... Maybe this
came from you. Who posted this here, it's called "Teach The
Controversy?", and I have a file date of March 4, 2009? It
depicts 15 off-the-wall theories (one of which is Ickes'),
which MUST be taught in school, or at least those schools
which demand that creationism be taught with evolution.

I've got to upload this. Oh balls, it's in two sections.
(which is probably why it's in a .docx file.) I'll have to
extract... wait... this is the internet... somebody must have
done this already.

Holy moley, there are tons of these on the net, and many
more than just the 15 I've got. Here's a good site...
http://controversy.wearscience.com/

Ned

(Ickes' Reptile QEII is on the second page, upper left.)

Wilson

2012-03-05 00:38:30 UTC

Post by Ned Ludd
What would be the absolutely most sensitive, earth-shaking,
regime-destroying piece of information that could be released
by WikiLeaks in the near term?

All the stuff that They don't want you to see, confirming
David Ickes's theories in every detail.
Lee Rudolph

Ah the Reptilian Humanoids theory. AND he's an Anunnaki guy!
Where's that damn T-shirt I have? Christ I've gotta find it,
now...
Yes, here it is. Crap. It's a Word doc. Hmmm... Maybe this
came from you. Who posted this here, it's called "Teach The
Controversy?", and I have a file date of March 4, 2009? It
depicts 15 off-the-wall theories (one of which is Ickes'),
which MUST be taught in school, or at least those schools
which demand that creationism be taught with evolution.
I've got to upload this. Oh balls, it's in two sections.
(which is probably why it's in a .docx file.) I'll have to
extract... wait... this is the internet... somebody must have
done this already.
Holy moley, there are tons of these on the net, and many
more than just the 15 I've got. Here's a good site...
http://controversy.wearscience.com/
Ned
(Ickes' Reptile QEII is on the second page, upper left.)

I actually know what all of them are about except for the ghosts and the
chairs. Don't know if I should be proud or ashamed.

--
Wilson

Ned Ludd

2012-03-05 01:45:25 UTC

Post by Ned Ludd
What would be the absolutely most sensitive, earth-shaking,
regime-destroying piece of information that could be released
by WikiLeaks in the near term?

All the stuff that They don't want you to see, confirming
David Ickes's theories in every detail.
Lee Rudolph

Ah the Reptilian Humanoids theory. AND he's an Anunnaki guy!
Where's that damn T-shirt I have? Christ I've gotta find it,
now...
Yes, here it is. Crap. It's a Word doc. Hmmm... Maybe this
came from you. Who posted this here, it's called "Teach The
Controversy?", and I have a file date of March 4, 2009? It
depicts 15 off-the-wall theories (one of which is Ickes'),
which MUST be taught in school, or at least those schools
which demand that creationism be taught with evolution.
I've got to upload this. Oh balls, it's in two sections.
(which is probably why it's in a .docx file.) I'll have to
extract... wait... this is the internet... somebody must have
done this already.
Holy moley, there are tons of these on the net, and many
more than just the 15 I've got. Here's a good site...
http://controversy.wearscience.com/
Ned
(Ickes' Reptile QEII is on the second page, upper left.)

I actually know what all of them are about except for the ghosts and the
chairs. Don't know if I should be proud or ashamed.
--
Wilson

OK, thanks. Now for the crucial question. I have taken the
time to type up the names of all 36 of these 'controversial'
theories.

I also admit to not knowing all of them, but I looked up the
ones I didn't know (most are in wiki), and the question is:
Of these 36 crazy theories how many do you personally believe
there might be SOME chance of truth to them? (And by 'some'
chance I mean possibly a five percent change of being true.)

And to encourage you to make this evaluation, I am going to
give you my answer to that question now. (See below)

The 36 controversial theories are:

- Telekinesis
- Devil Bones
- Flat Earth
- Geocentric Universe
- Turtle Cosmology
- Russell's Teapot
- UFO Pyramid
- Dinosaur-Human coexistence
- Earth/Air/Fire/Water elements
- Fake Moon Landing
- Cryptozoology (Nessie, Bigfoot, etc.)
- Alchemy
- Cthulhu
- 6000-year-old Earth
- Stork Birth
- Atlantis
- Time Cube
- Reincarnation
- The Illuminati
- Astrology
- Paul Bunyan
- Xenu (Scientology)
- Doomsday 2012
- Spoon Bending
- Perpetual Motion
- Poltergeist
- Demon Theory of Disease
- Adam's Rib (origin of women)
- Dowsing Rod
- Fountain of Youth
- Reptilian Humanoids
- The Four Humors
- ESP Cards
- Invisible Unicorn
- Sun Scarab
- Old (live) Elvis

What is your answer? (Ie. How many have at least a 5% chance
of being true?)

Ned

(And my answer is: Twelve.)

web head

2012-03-05 03:19:28 UTC

Post by Ned Ludd
What would be the absolutely most sensitive, earth-shaking,
regime-destroying piece of information that could be released
by WikiLeaks in the near term?

All the stuff that They don't want you to see, confirming
David Ickes's theories in every detail.
Lee Rudolph

Ah the Reptilian Humanoids theory. AND he's an Anunnaki guy!
Where's that damn T-shirt I have? Christ I've gotta find it,
now...
Yes, here it is. Crap. It's a Word doc. Hmmm... Maybe this
came from you. Who posted this here, it's called "Teach The
Controversy?", and I have a file date of March 4, 2009? It
depicts 15 off-the-wall theories (one of which is Ickes'),
which MUST be taught in school, or at least those schools
which demand that creationism be taught with evolution.
I've got to upload this. Oh balls, it's in two sections.
(which is probably why it's in a .docx file.) I'll have to
extract... wait... this is the internet... somebody must have
done this already.
Holy moley, there are tons of these on the net, and many
more than just the 15 I've got. Here's a good site...
http://controversy.wearscience.com/
Ned
(Ickes' Reptile QEII is on the second page, upper left.)

I actually know what all of them are about except for the ghosts and the
chairs. Don't know if I should be proud or ashamed.
--
Wilson

OK, thanks. Now for the crucial question. I have taken the
time to type up the names of all 36 of these 'controversial'
theories.
I also admit to not knowing all of them, but I looked up the
Of these 36 crazy theories how many do you personally believe
there might be SOME chance of truth to them? (And by 'some'
chance I mean possibly a five percent change of being true.)
And to encourage you to make this evaluation, I am going to
give you my answer to that question now. (See below)
- Telekinesis
- Devil Bones
- Flat Earth
- Geocentric Universe
- Turtle Cosmology
- Russell's Teapot
- UFO Pyramid
- Dinosaur-Human coexistence
- Earth/Air/Fire/Water elements
- Fake Moon Landing
- Cryptozoology (Nessie, Bigfoot, etc.)
- Alchemy
- Cthulhu
- 6000-year-old Earth
- Stork Birth
- Atlantis
- Time Cube
- Reincarnation
- The Illuminati
- Astrology
- Paul Bunyan
- Xenu (Scientology)
- Doomsday 2012
- Spoon Bending
- Perpetual Motion
- Poltergeist
- Demon Theory of Disease
- Adam's Rib (origin of women)
- Dowsing Rod
- Fountain of Youth
- Reptilian Humanoids
- The Four Humors
- ESP Cards
- Invisible Unicorn
- Sun Scarab
- Old (live) Elvis
What is your answer? (Ie. How many have at least a 5% chance
of being true?)
Ned
(And my answer is: Twelve.)

what's the point? are you going through something? ;)

Sanford Manley

2012-03-05 05:00:40 UTC

Post by Ned Ludd
What would be the absolutely most sensitive, earth-shaking,
regime-destroying piece of information that could be released
by WikiLeaks in the near term?

All the stuff that They don't want you to see, confirming
David Ickes's theories in every detail.
Lee Rudolph

Ah the Reptilian Humanoids theory. AND he's an Anunnaki guy!
Where's that damn T-shirt I have? Christ I've gotta find it,
now...
Yes, here it is. Crap. It's a Word doc. Hmmm... Maybe this
came from you. Who posted this here, it's called "Teach The
Controversy?", and I have a file date of March 4, 2009? It
depicts 15 off-the-wall theories (one of which is Ickes'),
which MUST be taught in school, or at least those schools
which demand that creationism be taught with evolution.
I've got to upload this. Oh balls, it's in two sections.
(which is probably why it's in a .docx file.) I'll have to
extract... wait... this is the internet... somebody must have
done this already.
Holy moley, there are tons of these on the net, and many
more than just the 15 I've got. Here's a good site...
http://controversy.wearscience.com/
Ned
(Ickes' Reptile QEII is on the second page, upper left.)

I actually know what all of them are about except for the ghosts and
the chairs. Don't know if I should be proud or ashamed.
--
Wilson

OK, thanks. Now for the crucial question. I have taken the
time to type up the names of all 36 of these 'controversial'
theories.
I also admit to not knowing all of them, but I looked up the
Of these 36 crazy theories how many do you personally believe
there might be SOME chance of truth to them? (And by 'some'
chance I mean possibly a five percent change of being true.)
And to encourage you to make this evaluation, I am going to
give you my answer to that question now. (See below)
- Telekinesis
- Devil Bones
- Flat Earth
- Geocentric Universe
- Turtle Cosmology
- Russell's Teapot
- UFO Pyramid
- Dinosaur-Human coexistence
- Earth/Air/Fire/Water elements
- Fake Moon Landing
- Cryptozoology (Nessie, Bigfoot, etc.)
- Alchemy
- Cthulhu
- 6000-year-old Earth
- Stork Birth
- Atlantis
- Time Cube
- Reincarnation
- The Illuminati
- Astrology
- Paul Bunyan
- Xenu (Scientology)
- Doomsday 2012
- Spoon Bending
- Perpetual Motion
- Poltergeist
- Demon Theory of Disease
- Adam's Rib (origin of women)
- Dowsing Rod
- Fountain of Youth
- Reptilian Humanoids
- The Four Humors
- ESP Cards
- Invisible Unicorn
- Sun Scarab
- Old (live) Elvis
What is your answer? (Ie. How many have at least a 5% chance
of being true?)
Ned
(And my answer is: Twelve.)

Atlantis
Telekinesis
Illuminati
Reincarnation

--
Sanford Manley "Trying to be right all the time is a very subtle way of
being wrong."

Ned Ludd

2012-03-05 15:51:09 UTC

Post by Ned Ludd
Holy moley, there are tons of these on the net, and many
more than just the 15 I've got. Here's a good site...
http://controversy.wearscience.com/
Ned
(Ickes' Reptile QEII is on the second page, upper left.)

I actually know what all of them are about except for the ghosts
and the chairs. Don't know if I should be proud or ashamed.

OK, thanks. Now for the crucial question. I have taken the
time to type up the names of all 36 of these 'controversial'
theories.
I also admit to not knowing all of them, but I looked up the
Of these 36 crazy theories how many do you personally believe
there might be SOME chance of truth to them? (And by 'some'
chance I mean possibly a five percent chance of being true.)
And to encourage you to make this evaluation, I am going to
give you my answer to that question now. (See below)
- Telekinesis
- Devil Bones
- Flat Earth
- Geocentric Universe
- Turtle Cosmology
- Russell's Teapot
- UFO Pyramid
- Dinosaur-Human coexistence
- Earth/Air/Fire/Water elements
- Fake Moon Landing
- Cryptozoology (Nessie, Bigfoot, etc.)
- Alchemy
- Cthulhu
- 6000-year-old Earth
- Stork Birth
- Atlantis
- Time Cube
- Reincarnation
- The Illuminati
- Astrology
- Paul Bunyan
- Xenu (Scientology)
- Doomsday 2012
- Spoon Bending
- Perpetual Motion
- Poltergeist
- Demon Theory of Disease
- Adam's Rib (origin of women)
- Dowsing Rod
- Fountain of Youth
- Reptilian Humanoids
- The Four Humors
- ESP Cards
- Invisible Unicorn
- Sun Scarab
- Old (live) Elvis
What is your answer? (Ie. How many have at least a 5% chance
of being true?)
Ned
(And my answer is: Twelve.)

Atlantis
Telekinesis
Illuminati
Reincarnation
--
Sanford Manley "Trying to be right all the time is a very subtle way of
being wrong."

Thank you, Sandy. Noted and recorded. I've also noticed
that some obvious things are missing from the master list,
which I am not going to add or make an issue of.

But really, where are Biorhythms? Where is the I Ching?
Where are Tarot Cards? Have these people no sense of
proportion?

Ned

Neolazarusx

2012-03-06 06:37:41 UTC

I actually know what all of them are about except for the ghosts
and the chairs. Don't know if I should be proud or ashamed.

OK, thanks. Now for the crucial question. I have taken the
time to type up the names of all 36 of these 'controversial'
theories.
I also admit to not knowing all of them, but I looked up the
Of these 36 crazy theories how many do you personally believe
there might be SOME chance of truth to them? (And by 'some'
chance I mean possibly a five percent chance of being true.)
And to encourage you to make this evaluation, I am going to
give you my answer to that question now. (See below)
- Telekinesis
- Devil Bones
- Flat Earth
- Geocentric Universe
- Turtle Cosmology
- Russell's Teapot
- UFO Pyramid
- Dinosaur-Human coexistence
- Earth/Air/Fire/Water elements
- Fake Moon Landing
- Cryptozoology (Nessie, Bigfoot, etc.)
- Alchemy
- Cthulhu
- 6000-year-old Earth
- Stork Birth
- Atlantis
- Time Cube
- Reincarnation
- The Illuminati
- Astrology
- Paul Bunyan
- Xenu (Scientology)
- Doomsday 2012
- Spoon Bending
- Perpetual Motion
- Poltergeist
- Demon Theory of Disease
- Adam's Rib (origin of women)
- Dowsing Rod
- Fountain of Youth
- Reptilian Humanoids
- The Four Humors
- ESP Cards
- Invisible Unicorn
- Sun Scarab
- Old (live) Elvis
What is your answer? (Ie. How many have at least a 5% chance
of being true?)
Ned
(And my answer is: Twelve.)

Atlantis
Telekinesis
Illuminati
Reincarnation
-- > Sanford Manley "Trying to be right all the time is a very subtle way of
being wrong."

Thank you, Sandy. Noted and recorded. I've also noticed
that some obvious things are missing from the master list,
which I am not going to add or make an issue of.
But really, where are Biorhythms? Where is the I Ching?
Where are Tarot Cards? Have these people no sense of
proportion?
Ned

Please add Turtle Cosmology. Because it is ALL turtles, all the time. Effen
smug turtle bastards!

--
-NLx

Sanford Manley

2012-03-06 07:12:03 UTC

Post by Neolazarusx
Please add Turtle Cosmology. Because it is ALL turtles, all the time. Effen
smug turtle bastards!

I was in trouble because I misunderstood about the turtles.
Turtles get VERY angry when you try to go down on them.

(Does anyone get the joke?)

--
Sanford Manley "Trying to be right all the time is a very subtle way of
being wrong."

Ned Ludd

2012-03-06 17:02:35 UTC

Post by Neolazarusx

I actually know what all of them are about except for the ghosts
and the chairs. Don't know if I should be proud or ashamed.

OK, thanks. Now for the crucial question. I have taken the
time to type up the names of all 36 of these 'controversial'
theories.
I also admit to not knowing all of them, but I looked up the
Of these 36 crazy theories how many do you personally believe
there might be SOME chance of truth to them? (And by 'some'
chance I mean possibly a five percent chance of being true.)
And to encourage you to make this evaluation, I am going to
give you my answer to that question now. (See below)
- Telekinesis
- Devil Bones
- Flat Earth
- Geocentric Universe
- Turtle Cosmology
- Russell's Teapot
- UFO Pyramid
- Dinosaur-Human coexistence
- Earth/Air/Fire/Water elements
- Fake Moon Landing
- Cryptozoology (Nessie, Bigfoot, etc.)
- Alchemy
- Cthulhu
- 6000-year-old Earth
- Stork Birth
- Atlantis
- Time Cube
- Reincarnation
- The Illuminati
- Astrology
- Paul Bunyan
- Xenu (Scientology)
- Doomsday 2012
- Spoon Bending
- Perpetual Motion
- Poltergeist
- Demon Theory of Disease
- Adam's Rib (origin of women)
- Dowsing Rod
- Fountain of Youth
- Reptilian Humanoids
- The Four Humors
- ESP Cards
- Invisible Unicorn
- Sun Scarab
- Old (live) Elvis
What is your answer? (Ie. How many have at least a 5% chance
of being true?)
Ned
(And my answer is: Twelve.)

Atlantis
Telekinesis
Illuminati
Reincarnation
-- > Sanford Manley "Trying to be right all the time is a very subtle way of
being wrong."

Thank you, Sandy. Noted and recorded. I've also noticed
that some obvious things are missing from the master list,
which I am not going to add or make an issue of.
But really, where are Biorhythms? Where is the I Ching?
Where are Tarot Cards? Have these people no sense of
proportion?
Ned

Please add Turtle Cosmology. Because it is ALL turtles, all the time. Effen
smug turtle bastards!
--
-NLx

What am I missing? Turtle Cosmology is fifth on the list.
(Ah, unless you are speaking to Sandy.)

But in a larger sense, does anyone still truly believe in
the infinitude of turtles? Or is it all just lip service to a
moribund and hide-bound orthodoxy?

When was the last time you envisioned first great Turtle,
as so beautifully depicted in the first 1 minute and 20
seconds of this...

It is a sorry, cold and harsh world we live in.

Ned

daletx

2012-03-06 18:49:03 UTC

Post by Neolazarusx

I actually know what all of them are about except for the ghosts
and the chairs. Don't know if I should be proud or ashamed.

OK, thanks. Now for the crucial question. I have taken the
time to type up the names of all 36 of these 'controversial'
theories.
I also admit to not knowing all of them, but I looked up the
Of these 36 crazy theories how many do you personally believe
there might be SOME chance of truth to them? (And by 'some'
chance I mean possibly a five percent chance of being true.)
And to encourage you to make this evaluation, I am going to
give you my answer to that question now. (See below)
- Telekinesis
- Devil Bones
- Flat Earth
- Geocentric Universe
- Turtle Cosmology
- Russell's Teapot
- UFO Pyramid
- Dinosaur-Human coexistence
- Earth/Air/Fire/Water elements
- Fake Moon Landing
- Cryptozoology (Nessie, Bigfoot, etc.)
- Alchemy
- Cthulhu
- 6000-year-old Earth
- Stork Birth
- Atlantis
- Time Cube
- Reincarnation
- The Illuminati
- Astrology
- Paul Bunyan
- Xenu (Scientology)
- Doomsday 2012
- Spoon Bending
- Perpetual Motion
- Poltergeist
- Demon Theory of Disease
- Adam's Rib (origin of women)
- Dowsing Rod
- Fountain of Youth
- Reptilian Humanoids
- The Four Humors
- ESP Cards
- Invisible Unicorn
- Sun Scarab
- Old (live) Elvis
What is your answer? (Ie. How many have at least a 5% chance
of being true?)
Ned
(And my answer is: Twelve.)

Atlantis
Telekinesis
Illuminati
Reincarnation
-- > Sanford Manley "Trying to be right all the time is a very subtle way of
being wrong."

Thank you, Sandy. Noted and recorded. I've also noticed
that some obvious things are missing from the master list,
which I am not going to add or make an issue of.
But really, where are Biorhythms? Where is the I Ching?
Where are Tarot Cards? Have these people no sense of
proportion?
Ned

Please add Turtle Cosmology. Because it is ALL turtles, all the time. Effen
smug turtle bastards!
--
-NLx

What am I missing? Turtle Cosmology is fifth on the list.
(Ah, unless you are speaking to Sandy.)
But in a larger sense, does anyone still truly believe in
the infinitude of turtles? Or is it all just lip service to a
moribund and hide-bound orthodoxy?
When was the last time you envisioned first great Turtle,
as so beautifully depicted in the first 1 minute and 20
seconds of this... http://youtu.be/AtF18CQYaGY
It is a sorry, cold and harsh world we live in.
Ned

Hey, we actually rented that several months ago.

And you can add to your list something called "The Mandela Effect".
In a nutshell, many people seem to remember Mandela dying in prison.

http://mandelaeffect.com/

I remember a lot of things that evidently never happened, and I don't
remember a lot of things that evidently did. Of course, I just blamed
it on the beer.

DT

Ned Ludd

2012-03-06 21:58:06 UTC

Post by daletx

What am I missing? Turtle Cosmology is fifth on the list.
(Ah, unless you are speaking to Sandy.)
But in a larger sense, does anyone still truly believe in
the infinitude of turtles? Or is it all just lip service to a
moribund and hide-bound orthodoxy?
When was the last time you envisioned first great Turtle,
as so beautifully depicted in the first 1 minute and 20
seconds of this... http://youtu.be/AtF18CQYaGY
It is a sorry, cold and harsh world we live in.
Ned

Hey, we actually rented that several months ago.

I never would have seen it except a strange dude
that I occasionally run into on the way to one of
my coffee shops raved about it. Mentioned it to
some friends when we were in Denver and they found
it available for download on cable. (And it was
Christmas to boot.)

Post by daletx
And you can add to your list something called "The Mandela Effect". In a
nutshell, many people seem to remember Mandela dying in prison.
http://mandelaeffect.com/
I remember a lot of things that evidently never happened, and I don't
remember a lot of things that evidently did. Of course, I just blamed it
on the beer.
DT

I could really add 'False Memory' in all its many
facets. And then there are things that people remember
correctly and exactly 80 years later. There's just no
accounting for the way the brain works.

Ned

Wilson

2012-03-05 00:39:37 UTC

Occupy was run out of West Palm Beach, it appears.
As for Julian Assange...just you vate!

What would be the absolutely most sensitive, earth-shaking,
regime-destroying piece of information that could be released
by WikiLeaks in the near term?
Ned

Obama was actually born in Kenya and is a real-life Marxist Manchurian
candidate President.

--
Wilson

Neolazarusx

2012-03-05 03:30:35 UTC

Occupy was run out of West Palm Beach, it appears.
As for Julian Assange...just you vate!

What would be the absolutely most sensitive, earth-shaking,
regime-destroying piece of information that could be released
by WikiLeaks in the near term?
Ned

Obama was actually born in Kenya and is a real-life Marxist Manchurian candidate President.

You wish.

--
-NLx

awaken21

2012-03-05 14:43:40 UTC

We've just had the best GA EVER. :)

Post by Sanford Manley
I guess I will never be a proper revolutionary.
--
Sanford Manley "Trying to be ri

ght all the time is a very subtle way of

Post by Sanford Manley
being wrong."

Me either. I'll have to settle for what I'm doing.

web head

2012-03-05 15:24:20 UTC

We've just had the best GA EVER. :)

Post by Sanford Manley
I guess I will never be a proper revolutionary.
--
Sanford Manley "Trying to be ri

ght all the time is a very subtle way of

Post by Sanford Manley
being wrong."

Me either. I'll have to settle for what I'm doing.

fitting in?

awaken21

2012-03-05 14:38:43 UTC

Post by Ned Ludd
Jesus, stop being dicks (both of you)!

Sorry Ned, it comes so naturally to me that I'll probably
have to disappoint you. Although you might run into issues
with DharmaTroll who thinks I'm an asshole. Very different
body parts there.

Oh well then by all means dick away! The Titanic's
plummeting and you're arguing over whether it should
be called a ship or a boat.
Ned

Is that all I'm doing? You sure about that?
hahahahaa... everyone's got an opinion on what I'm
doing it seems
http://bit.ly/wZ1e2F

That's a very interesting set of pictures. You are an
Occupier. You see yourself as

I believe the pic is depicting how other's see me. I'm don't look at myself from the outside that way.

Post by Ned Ludd
a martyr, a victim, a
God-like figure holding the whole world in his hands,
Sisyphus, and someone better (and more concerned)
than his neighbors at 'fixing' the world.

Or I've just successfully answered your ridiculous accusation that all I was doing was chatting about unimportant nonsense with Wilson while there was real problems to be addressed. Which was the purpose.

Your flanking attack is noted. Little weak and obvious though.

Post by Ned Ludd
Most (or all) of these things are consistent with your
posts over the years.
Ned
(Though you might consider adding a picture of
Machiavelli, Hitler, and Cotton Mather to the set.)

Oh yea, I'm such the dictator! That's the ONLY way to interpret my posts over the years. And my behavior, sheesh. My poor family. hehehe

Keep trying to define me in your head Ned, maybe you'll be able to one day. In your next life. ;D

Really Ned. All I'm saying is I'm doing both talking and acting. I don't see why that's hard to understand or why it should evoke such hostility.

Ned Ludd

2012-03-05 15:47:48 UTC

Post by Ned Ludd
Jesus, stop being dicks (both of you)!

Sorry Ned, it comes so naturally to me that I'll probably
have to disappoint you. Although you might run into issues
with DharmaTroll who thinks I'm an asshole. Very different
body parts there.

Oh well then by all means dick away! The Titanic's
plummeting and you're arguing over whether it should
be called a ship or a boat.
Ned

Is that all I'm doing? You sure about that?
hahahahaa... everyone's got an opinion on what I'm
doing it seems
http://bit.ly/wZ1e2F

That's a very interesting set of pictures. You are an
Occupier. You see yourself as

I believe the pic is depicting how other's see me. I
don't look at myself from the outside that way.

But you picked the picture. Clearly that's how you see
other people seeing you. Don't minimize your empathic
powers. Where there's smoke there's fire.

Post by Ned Ludd
...a martyr, a victim, a
God-like figure holding the whole world in his hands,
Sisyphus, and someone better (and more concerned)
than his neighbors at 'fixing' the world.

Or I've just successfully answered your ridiculous accusation
that all I was doing was chatting about unimportant nonsense
with Wilson while there was real problems to be addressed.
Which was the purpose.
Your flanking attack is noted. Little weak and obvious though.

Chatting? You were poking him with a stick. For all your
vaunted Buddhist ability, you resort to torture and abuse
quite readily.

Post by Ned Ludd
Most (or all) of these things are consistent with your
posts over the years.
Ned
(Though you might consider adding a picture of
Machiavelli, Hitler, and Cotton Mather to the set.)

Oh yea, I'm such the dictator! That's the ONLY way to interpret
my posts over the years. And my behavior, sheesh. My poor family.
hehehe

Yeah, let's get your family's opinion here! And I think they
should be offered a means of registering their opinions in an
anonymous "blind-box" way, to insure the honesty and integrity
of their observations, without any fear of reprisal. ARE you a
dictator at home? Do you brow-beat people until they agree with
you or at least concede to your demands? Do you keep someone
who you are arguing with up all night until there is a resolution of
the issue satisfactory to your demands? The Group wants to know.

Post by awaken21
Keep trying to define me in your head Ned, maybe you'll be able
to one day. In your next life. ;D
Really Ned. All I'm saying is I'm doing both talking and acting.
I don't see why that's hard to understand or why it should evoke
such hostility.

Hostility!? This is a charm offensive.

Ned

awaken21

2012-03-06 04:08:08 UTC

Post by Ned Ludd
Jesus, stop being dicks (both of you)!

Sorry Ned, it comes so naturally to me that I'll probably
have to disappoint you. Although you might run into issues
with DharmaTroll who thinks I'm an asshole. Very different
body parts there.

Oh well then by all means dick away! The Titanic's
plummeting and you're arguing over whether it should
be called a ship or a boat.
Ned

Is that all I'm doing? You sure about that?
hahahahaa... everyone's got an opinion on what I'm
doing it seems
http://bit.ly/wZ1e2F

That's a very interesting set of pictures. You are an
Occupier. You see yourself as

I believe the pic is depicting how other's see me. I
don't look at myself from the outside that way.

But you picked the picture. Clearly that's how you see
other people seeing you. Don't minimize your empathic
powers. Where there's smoke there's fire.

Post by Ned Ludd
...a martyr, a victim, a
God-like figure holding the whole world in his hands,
Sisyphus, and someone better (and more concerned)
than his neighbors at 'fixing' the world.

Or I've just successfully answered your ridiculous accusation
that all I was doing was chatting about unimportant nonsense
with Wilson while there was real problems to be addressed.
Which was the purpose.
Your flanking attack is noted. Little weak and obvious though.

Chatting? You were poking him with a stick. For all your
vaunted Buddhist ability, you resort to torture and abuse
quite readily.

Post by Ned Ludd
Most (or all) of these things are consistent with your
posts over the years.
Ned
(Though you might consider adding a picture of
Machiavelli, Hitler, and Cotton Mather to the set.)

Oh yea, I'm such the dictator! That's the ONLY way to interpret
my posts over the years. And my behavior, sheesh. My poor family.
hehehe

Yeah, let's get your family's opinion here!
And I think they
should be offered a means of registering their opinions in an
anonymous "blind-box" way, to insure the honesty and integrity
of their observations, without any fear of reprisal. ARE you a
dictator at home? Do you brow-beat people until they agree with
you or at least concede to your demands? Do you keep someone
who you are arguing with up all night until there is a resolution of
the issue satisfactory to your demands? The Group wants to know.

Hostility!? This is a charm offensive.
Ned

Lmao hahahaheheheheh

So it is.

:)

I deny poking Wilson with, well... with anything, not even a stick. Just for the record. Just being my normal charming self.

2012-03-06 04:33:44 UTC

Post by Ned Ludd
Jesus, stop being dicks (both of you)!

Sorry Ned, it comes so naturally to me that I'll probably
have to disappoint you. Although you might run into issues
with DharmaTroll who thinks I'm an asshole. Very different
body parts there.

Oh well then by all means dick away! The Titanic's
plummeting and you're arguing over whether it should
be called a ship or a boat.
Ned

Is that all I'm doing? You sure about that?
hahahahaa... everyone's got an opinion on what I'm
doing it seems
http://bit.ly/wZ1e2F

That's a very interesting set of pictures. You are an
Occupier. You see yourself as

I believe the pic is depicting how other's see me. I
don't look at myself from the outside that way.

But you picked the picture. Clearly that's how you see
other people seeing you. Don't minimize your empathic
powers. Where there's smoke there's fire.

...a martyr, a victim, a
God-like figure holding the whole world in his hands,
Sisyphus, and someone better (and more concerned)
than his neighbors at 'fixing' the world.

Or I've just successfully answered your ridiculous accusation
that all I was doing was chatting about unimportant nonsense
with Wilson while there was real problems to be addressed.
Which was the purpose.
Your flanking attack is noted. Little weak and obvious though.

Chatting? You were poking him with a stick. For all your
vaunted Buddhist ability, you resort to torture and abuse
quite readily.

Most (or all) of these things are consistent with your
posts over the years.
Ned
(Though you might consider adding a picture of
Machiavelli, Hitler, and Cotton Mather to the set.)

Oh yea, I'm such the dictator! That's the ONLY way to interpret
my posts over the years. And my behavior, sheesh. My poor family.
hehehe

Yeah, let's get your family's opinion here!
And I think they
should be offered a means of registering their opinions in an
anonymous "blind-box" way, to insure the honesty and integrity
of their observations, without any fear of reprisal. ARE you a
dictator at home? Do you brow-beat people until they agree with
you or at least concede to your demands? Do you keep someone
who you are arguing with up all night until there is a resolution of
the issue satisfactory to your demands? The Group wants to know.

Hostility!? This is a charm offensive.
Ned

Lmao hahahaheheheheh
So it is.
:)
I deny poking Wilson with, well... with anything, not even a stick. Just for the record. Just being my normal charming self.

Liquor then poker ;)

awaken21

2012-03-06 14:06:08 UTC

Post by SG

Post by Ned Ludd
Jesus, stop being dicks (both of you)!

Sorry Ned, it comes so naturally to me that I'll probably
have to disappoint you. Although you might run into issues
with DharmaTroll who thinks I'm an asshole. Very different
body parts there.

Oh well then by all means dick away! The Titanic's
plummeting and you're arguing over whether it should
be called a ship or a boat.
Ned

Is that all I'm doing? You sure about that?
hahahahaa... everyone's got an opinion on what I'm
doing it seems
http://bit.ly/wZ1e2F

That's a very interesting set of pictures. You are an
Occupier. You see yourself as

I believe the pic is depicting how other's see me. I
don't look at myself from the outside that way.

But you picked the picture. Clearly that's how you see
other people seeing you. Don't minimize your empathic
powers. Where there's smoke there's fire.

...a martyr, a victim, a
God-like figure holding the whole world in his hands,
Sisyphus, and someone better (and more concerned)
than his neighbors at 'fixing' the world.

Or I've just successfully answered your ridiculous accusation
that all I was doing was chatting about unimportant nonsense
with Wilson while there was real problems to be addressed.
Which was the purpose.
Your flanking attack is noted. Little weak and obvious though.

Chatting? You were poking him with a stick. For all your
vaunted Buddhist ability, you resort to torture and abuse
quite readily.

Most (or all) of these things are consistent with your
posts over the years.
Ned
(Though you might consider adding a picture of
Machiavelli, Hitler, and Cotton Mather to the set.)

Oh yea, I'm such the dictator! That's the ONLY way to interpret
my posts over the years. And my behavior, sheesh. My poor family.
hehehe

Yeah, let's get your family's opinion here!
And I think they
should be offered a means of registering their opinions in an
anonymous "blind-box" way, to insure the honesty and integrity
of their observations, without any fear of reprisal. ARE you a
dictator at home? Do you brow-beat people until they agree with
you or at least concede to your demands? Do you keep someone
who you are arguing with up all night until there is a resolution of
the issue satisfactory to your demands? The Group wants to know.

Hostility!? This is a charm offensive.
Ned

Lmao hahahaheheheheh
So it is.
:)
I deny poking Wilson with, well... with anything, not even a stick. Just for the record. Just being my normal charming self.

Liquor then poker ;)

I'm down. Show me the way to the smoking lounge, sir!

Post by SG

Post by Ned Ludd
Jesus, stop being dicks (both of you)!

Sorry Ned, it comes so naturally to me that I'll probably
have to disappoint you. Although you might run into issues
with DharmaTroll who thinks I'm an asshole. Very different
body parts there.

Oh well then by all means dick away! The Titanic's
plummeting and you're arguing over whether it should
be called a ship or a boat.
Ned

Is that all I'm doing? You sure about that?
hahahahaa... everyone's got an opinion on what I'm
doing it seems
http://bit.ly/wZ1e2F

That's a very interesting set of pictures. You are an
Occupier. You see yourself as

I believe the pic is depicting how other's see me. I
don't look at myself from the outside that way.

But you picked the picture. Clearly that's how you see
other people seeing you. Don't minimize your empathic
powers. Where there's smoke there's fire.

...a martyr, a victim, a
God-like figure holding the whole world in his hands,
Sisyphus, and someone better (and more concerned)
than his neighbors at 'fixing' the world.

Or I've just successfully answered your ridiculous accusation
that all I was doing was chatting about unimportant nonsense
with Wilson while there was real problems to be addressed.
Which was the purpose.
Your flanking attack is noted. Little weak and obvious though.

Chatting? You were poking him with a stick. For all your
vaunted Buddhist ability, you resort to torture and abuse
quite readily.