Hungerford's Beethoven redux

[Sol L. Siegel]

Bruce Hungerford's complete Beethoven (much-reissued previously) is
announced in a 5-CD box on Piano Classics:

http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_April12_Classical/PCLM0036.htm

But wait a minute. Didn't he record Op. 79? I'm certain that he did,
even though I can't find my copy. Or is my memory failing me (again)?

- Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA

[Frank Berger]

Post by Sol L. Siegel
Bruce Hungerford's complete Beethoven (much-reissued previously) is
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_April12_Classical/PCLM0036.htm
But wait a minute. Didn't he record Op. 79? I'm certain that he did,
even though I can't find my copy. Or is my memory failing me (again)?
- Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA

It's not in my Vanguard box. Do you suppose this release has recording
dates more specific that Vanguard's 1965-1977?

[Frank Berger]

Post by Frank Berger

Post by Sol L. Siegel
Bruce Hungerford's complete Beethoven (much-reissued previously) is
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_April12_Classical/PCLM0036.htm
But wait a minute. Didn't he record Op. 79? I'm certain that he did,
even though I can't find my copy. Or is my memory failing me (again)?
- Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA

It's not in my Vanguard box. Do you suppose this release has recording
dates more specific that Vanguard's 1965-1977?

Actually, I see that they do. The Piano Classics website narrows that to
1967-1976. Big improvement.

[td]

Post by Frank Berger

Post by Sol L. Siegel
Bruce Hungerford's complete Beethoven (much-reissued previously) is
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_April12_Classical/PCLM0036.htm
But wait a minute.  Didn't he record Op. 79?  I'm certain that he did,
even though I can't find my copy.  Or is my memory failing me (again)?
- Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA

It's not in my Vanguard box.  Do you suppose this release has recording
dates more specific that Vanguard's 1965-1977?

Actually, I see that they do. The Piano Classics website narrows that to
1967-1976.  Big improvement.

What does it matter?

[Alan Cooper]

Post by Sol L. Siegel
Bruce Hungerford's complete Beethoven (much-reissued previously)
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_April12_Classical/PCLM003
6.htm
But wait a minute. Didn't he record Op. 79? I'm certain that
he did, even though I can't find my copy. Or is my memory
failing me (again)?

I don't have the recording dates handy, but here's a post of mine from August

Post by Sol L. Siegel
VCS 10055: opp. 27/1; 78; 110
VCS 10056: opp. 26; 27/2; 79
VCS 10084: opp. 2/1&2
VCS 10085: opp. 7; 10/1
VSD 71172: opp. 109; 111
VSD 71174: opp. 13; 31/2
VSD 71187: opp. 10/2&3
VSD 71186: opp. 49/1&2; 53
VSD 71252: opp. 14/1&2; 31/3
They'd make up a nice boxed set on CD, don't you think?

I guess they do!

AC

[Peter H.]

Post by Alan Cooper

Post by Sol L. Siegel
Bruce Hungerford's complete Beethoven (much-reissued previously)
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_April12_Classical/PCLM003
6.htm
But wait a minute. Didn't he record Op. 79? I'm certain that
he did, even though I can't find my copy. Or is my memory
failing me (again)?

I don't have the recording dates handy, but here's a post of mine from August

Post by Sol L. Siegel
VCS 10055: opp. 27/1; 78; 110
VCS 10056: opp. 26; 27/2; 79
VCS 10084: opp. 2/1&2
VCS 10085: opp. 7; 10/1
VSD 71172: opp. 109; 111
VSD 71174: opp. 13; 31/2
VSD 71187: opp. 10/2&3
VSD 71186: opp. 49/1&2; 53
VSD 71252: opp. 14/1&2; 31/3
They'd make up a nice boxed set on CD, don't you think?

I guess they do!
AC

So this set contains 18 of the 22 sonatas he recorded, the same 18 that were released on the 3 2-CD slimline sets from Vanguard a few years ago. No op. 79, op. 14/1&2, and no op. 31/3. But they have managed to turn it from 6 CDs to 5 CDs. That is a shame, as I dearly love op. 79.

[Frank Berger]

Post by Alan Cooper

Post by Sol L. Siegel
Bruce Hungerford's complete Beethoven (much-reissued previously)
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_April12_Classical/PCLM003
6.htm
But wait a minute. Didn't he record Op. 79? I'm certain that
he did, even though I can't find my copy. Or is my memory
failing me (again)?

I don't have the recording dates handy, but here's a post of mine from August

Post by Sol L. Siegel
VCS 10055: opp. 27/1; 78; 110
VCS 10056: opp. 26; 27/2; 79
VCS 10084: opp. 2/1&2
VCS 10085: opp. 7; 10/1
VSD 71172: opp. 109; 111
VSD 71174: opp. 13; 31/2
VSD 71187: opp. 10/2&3
VSD 71186: opp. 49/1&2; 53
VSD 71252: opp. 14/1&2; 31/3
They'd make up a nice boxed set on CD, don't you think?

I guess they do!
AC

So this set contains 18 of the 22 sonatas he recorded, the same 18 that were
released on the 3 2-CD slimline sets from Vanguard a few years ago. No op.
79, op. 14/1&2, and no op. 31/3. But they have managed to turn it from 6 CDs
to 5 CDs. That is a shame, as I dearly love op. 79.

I've seen no evidence that Hungerford recorded op. 79.

[Alan Cooper]

bkc1... On Thursday, March 15, 2012 7:52:46 AM UTC-4, Alan

Post by Alan Cooper

Post by Sol L. Siegel
Bruce Hungerford's complete Beethoven (much-reissued
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_April12_Classical/PCLM
003 6.htm
But wait a minute. Didn't he record Op. 79? I'm certain
that he did, even though I can't find my copy. Or is my
memory failing me (again)?

I don't have the recording dates handy, but here's a post of
mine from August

Post by Sol L. Siegel
VCS 10055: opp. 27/1; 78; 110
VCS 10056: opp. 26; 27/2; 79
VCS 10084: opp. 2/1&2
VCS 10085: opp. 7; 10/1
VSD 71172: opp. 109; 111
VSD 71174: opp. 13; 31/2
VSD 71187: opp. 10/2&3
VSD 71186: opp. 49/1&2; 53
VSD 71252: opp. 14/1&2; 31/3
They'd make up a nice boxed set on CD, don't you think?

I guess they do!
AC

So this set contains 18 of the 22 sonatas he recorded, the same
18 that were released on the 3 2-CD slimline sets from Vanguard
a few years ago. No op. 79, op. 14/1&2, and no op. 31/3. But
they have managed to turn it from 6 CDs to 5 CDs. That is a
shame, as I dearly love op. 79.
I've seen no evidence that Hungerford recorded op. 79.

Did you think I made it up?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vanguard-Stereo-BEETHOVEN-Piano-Sonatas-HUNGERFORD-VG-
/360359281054

Don't buy it, though: it doesn't exist.

AC

[Frank Berger]

Post by Alan Cooper

bkc1... On Thursday, March 15, 2012 7:52:46 AM UTC-4, Alan

Post by Alan Cooper

Post by Sol L. Siegel
Bruce Hungerford's complete Beethoven (much-reissued
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_April12_Classical/PCLM
003 6.htm
But wait a minute. Didn't he record Op. 79? I'm certain
that he did, even though I can't find my copy. Or is my
memory failing me (again)?

I don't have the recording dates handy, but here's a post of
mine from August

Post by Sol L. Siegel
VCS 10055: opp. 27/1; 78; 110
VCS 10056: opp. 26; 27/2; 79
VCS 10084: opp. 2/1&2
VCS 10085: opp. 7; 10/1
VSD 71172: opp. 109; 111
VSD 71174: opp. 13; 31/2
VSD 71187: opp. 10/2&3
VSD 71186: opp. 49/1&2; 53
VSD 71252: opp. 14/1&2; 31/3
They'd make up a nice boxed set on CD, don't you think?

I guess they do!
AC

So this set contains 18 of the 22 sonatas he recorded, the same
18 that were released on the 3 2-CD slimline sets from Vanguard
a few years ago. No op. 79, op. 14/1&2, and no op. 31/3. But
they have managed to turn it from 6 CDs to 5 CDs. That is a
shame, as I dearly love op. 79.
I've seen no evidence that Hungerford recorded op. 79.

Did you think I made it up?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vanguard-Stereo-BEETHOVEN-Piano-Sonatas-HUNGERFORD-VG-
/360359281054
Don't buy it, though: it doesn't exist.
AC

Well, I see no reason for you be so snotty about it. I searched and failed
to find it. Hence my statement. The first reference to op. 79 was Sol
Siegel's in which he said he thought, but apparently wasn't sure op. 79 was
recorded. I didn't see your post in which you provided "evidence" that op.
89 existed. A simple mistake on my part. Not the first I've made and not
the last. Usually my mistakes are received more graciously.

[Steve Emerson]

Post by Frank Berger

Post by Alan Cooper

bkc1... On Thursday, March 15, 2012 7:52:46 AM UTC-4, Alan

Post by Alan Cooper

Post by Sol L. Siegel
Bruce Hungerford's complete Beethoven (much-reissued
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_April12_Classical/PCLM
003 6.htm
But wait a minute. Didn't he record Op. 79? I'm certain
that he did, even though I can't find my copy. Or is my
memory failing me (again)?

I don't have the recording dates handy, but here's a post of mine from August

Post by Sol L. Siegel
VCS 10055: opp. 27/1; 78; 110
VCS 10056: opp. 26; 27/2; 79
VCS 10084: opp. 2/1&2
VCS 10085: opp. 7; 10/1
VSD 71172: opp. 109; 111
VSD 71174: opp. 13; 31/2
VSD 71187: opp. 10/2&3
VSD 71186: opp. 49/1&2; 53
VSD 71252: opp. 14/1&2; 31/3
They'd make up a nice boxed set on CD, don't you think?

I guess they do!
AC

So this set contains 18 of the 22 sonatas he recorded, the same
18 that were released on the 3 2-CD slimline sets from Vanguard
a few years ago. No op. 79, op. 14/1&2, and no op. 31/3. But
they have managed to turn it from 6 CDs to 5 CDs. That is a
shame, as I dearly love op. 79.
I've seen no evidence that Hungerford recorded op. 79.

Did you think I made it up?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vanguard-Stereo-BEETHOVEN-Piano-Sonatas-HUNGERFORD-V
G-
/360359281054
Don't buy it, though: it doesn't exist.
AC

Well, I see no reason for you be so snotty about it. I searched and failed
to find it. Hence my statement. The first reference to op. 79 was Sol
Siegel's in which he said he thought, but apparently wasn't sure op. 79 was
recorded. I didn't see your post in which you provided "evidence" that op.
[79] 89 existed.

But you quoted it, Frank. It's right there, up above.

Post by Frank Berger
A simple mistake on my part. Not the first I've made and not
the last. Usually my mistakes are received more graciously.

Well, in reading through the post, I reached the same conclusion that
Alan did, for the reason just noted. Anyway, I'm sure everyone's ready
to move on. (Just as I'm sure no one's surprised that the new release
merely duplicates what had already been digitized.)

I'll have to keep an eye open for LPs, because I think his Tempest
(31/2) is one of the few really good ones, and a 31/3 would be good to
hear.

SE.

[Frank Berger]

Post by Steve Emerson

Post by Frank Berger

Post by Alan Cooper

bkc1... On Thursday, March 15, 2012 7:52:46 AM UTC-4, Alan

Post by Alan Cooper

Post by Sol L. Siegel
Bruce Hungerford's complete Beethoven (much-reissued
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_April12_Classical/PCLM
003 6.htm
But wait a minute. Didn't he record Op. 79? I'm certain
that he did, even though I can't find my copy. Or is my
memory failing me (again)?

I don't have the recording dates handy, but here's a post of mine from August

Post by Sol L. Siegel
VCS 10055: opp. 27/1; 78; 110
VCS 10056: opp. 26; 27/2; 79
VCS 10084: opp. 2/1&2
VCS 10085: opp. 7; 10/1
VSD 71172: opp. 109; 111
VSD 71174: opp. 13; 31/2
VSD 71187: opp. 10/2&3
VSD 71186: opp. 49/1&2; 53
VSD 71252: opp. 14/1&2; 31/3
They'd make up a nice boxed set on CD, don't you think?

I guess they do!
AC

So this set contains 18 of the 22 sonatas he recorded, the same
18 that were released on the 3 2-CD slimline sets from Vanguard
a few years ago. No op. 79, op. 14/1&2, and no op. 31/3. But
they have managed to turn it from 6 CDs to 5 CDs. That is a
shame, as I dearly love op. 79.
I've seen no evidence that Hungerford recorded op. 79.

Did you think I made it up?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vanguard-Stereo-BEETHOVEN-Piano-Sonatas-HUNGERFORD-V
G-
/360359281054
Don't buy it, though: it doesn't exist.
AC

Well, I see no reason for you be so snotty about it. I searched and
failed to find it. Hence my statement. The first reference to op.
79 was Sol Siegel's in which he said he thought, but apparently
wasn't sure op. 79 was recorded. I didn't see your post in which
you provided "evidence" that op. [79] 89 existed.

But you quoted it, Frank. It's right there, up above.

I replied to a message. I said I didn't see the reference to op. 79.

Post by Steve Emerson

Post by Frank Berger
A simple mistake on my part. Not the first I've made and not
the last. Usually my mistakes are received more graciously.

Well, in reading through the post, I reached the same conclusion that
Alan did, for the reason just noted.

So I guess you and Alan concluded that I lied about not seeing the reference
to op. 79. Why on earth would I do that?

[wade]

Post by Steve Emerson

Post by Alan Cooper

bkc1... On Thursday, March 15, 2012 7:52:46 AM UTC-4, Alan

Post by Alan Cooper

Post by Sol L. Siegel
Bruce Hungerford's complete Beethoven (much-reissued
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_April12_Classical/PCLM
003 6.htm
But wait a minute.  Didn't he record Op. 79?  I'm certain
that he did, even though I can't find my copy.  Or is my
memory failing me (again)?

I don't have the recording dates handy, but here's a post of mine from August

Post by Sol L. Siegel
VCS 10055: opp. 27/1; 78; 110
VCS 10056: opp. 26; 27/2; 79
VCS 10084: opp. 2/1&2
VCS 10085: opp. 7; 10/1
VSD 71172: opp. 109; 111
VSD 71174: opp. 13; 31/2
VSD 71187: opp. 10/2&3
VSD 71186: opp. 49/1&2; 53
VSD 71252: opp. 14/1&2; 31/3
They'd make up a nice boxed set on CD, don't you think?

I guess they do!
AC

So this set contains 18 of the 22 sonatas he recorded, the same
18 that were released on the 3 2-CD slimline sets from Vanguard
a few years ago.  No op. 79, op. 14/1&2, and no op. 31/3. But
they have managed to turn it from 6 CDs to 5 CDs.  That is a
shame, as I dearly love op. 79.
I've seen no evidence that Hungerford recorded op. 79.

Did you think I made it up?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vanguard-Stereo-BEETHOVEN-Piano-Sonatas-HUNGE...
G-
/360359281054
Don't buy it, though: it doesn't exist.
AC

Well, I see no reason for you be so snotty about it.  I searched and
failed to find it.  Hence my statement.  The first reference to op.
79 was Sol Siegel's in which he said he thought, but apparently
wasn't sure op. 79 was recorded.  I didn't see your post in which
you provided "evidence" that op. [79] 89 existed.

But you quoted it, Frank. It's right there, up above.

I replied to a message.  I said I didn't see the reference to op. 79.

Post by Steve Emerson

A simple mistake on my part.  Not the first I've made and not
the last.  Usually my mistakes are received more graciously.

Well, in reading through the post, I reached the same conclusion that
Alan did, for the reason just noted.

So I guess you and Alan concluded that I lied about not seeing the reference
to op. 79.    Why on earth would I do that?

There really isnt any need to go into personal attacks on any grounds
is there? Isnt the real issue here that it was lazy and Stupid for
the Piano Classics people to leave out what would amount to another
CD's worth of recordings so that the set contained all Hungerford's
Vanguard Beethoven?

[Steve Emerson]

Post by Frank Berger

Post by Steve Emerson
Well, in reading through the post, I reached the same conclusion that
Alan did, for the reason just noted.

So I guess you and Alan concluded that I lied about not seeing the reference
to op. 79.

Alan put up his post before you said you hadn't seen the reference. I
was merely stating that I had read your earlier post, the one he saw,
the same way he did. Certainly I believe, now, that you hadn't seen the
reference (despite quoting it).

OK?

SE.

[Frank Berger]

Post by Steve Emerson

Post by Frank Berger

Post by Steve Emerson
Well, in reading through the post, I reached the same conclusion
that Alan did, for the reason just noted.

So I guess you and Alan concluded that I lied about not seeing the
reference to op. 79.

Alan put up his post before you said you hadn't seen the reference. I
was merely stating that I had read your earlier post, the one he saw,
the same way he did. Certainly I believe, now, that you hadn't seen
the reference (despite quoting it).
OK?
SE.

It would have been entirely OK if you hadn't parenthetically added "despite
quoting it." Do you really think that replying to a post and "quoting it"
means that you've read and recalled everything that you "quoted?" Probably
you don't think that, so your parenthetical remark serves to justify your
own view on this, which wasn't really necessary, or to scold me for quoting
without being aware of what I was quoting, or to imply that I was lying.
Whatever, it wasn't necessary.

[John Wiser]

Post by Frank Berger

Post by Steve Emerson

Post by Frank Berger

Post by Steve Emerson
Well, in reading through the post, I reached the same conclusion
that Alan did, for the reason just noted.

So I guess you and Alan concluded that I lied about not seeing the
reference to op. 79.

Alan put up his post before you said you hadn't seen the reference. I
was merely stating that I had read your earlier post, the one he saw,
the same way he did. Certainly I believe, now, that you hadn't seen
the reference (despite quoting it).
OK?
SE.

It would have been entirely OK if you hadn't parenthetically added
"despite quoting it." Do you really think that replying to a post and
"quoting it" means that you've read and recalled everything that you
"quoted?" Probably you don't think that, so your parenthetical remark
serves to justify your own view on this, which wasn't really necessary, or
to scold me for quoting without being aware of what I was quoting, or to
imply that I was lying. Whatever, it wasn't necessary.

You are whining, Frank.
You have been too close to Tepster and downwind.
I suspect you know that you are generally considered a jerk.
So now you are bucking for a promotion to Abrasive Jerk?
It's yours.

JDW

[Bozo]

I have his Vanguard Classics cd of Opa. 109-111. Wonderful and cheap now at Amazon -US :

https://tinyurl.com/yckzo3ge

Re-heard tonight. One can hear the varying influences of his teachers Friedman, Hess,Friedberg. The liner notes dont give the recording date, other than one can conclude had to be between his Carnegie recital of 1965 , which the notes say triggered Vanguard's offer to him to record all the LvB sonatas , and his death in an auto accident in 1977.My Vanguard was remastered in 1992, released 1993 ; there is a later 2-cd set and a later box. As with all here, I have several of these, but very glad have Hungerford's, which are at YT, FWW.

[Frank Berger]

Post by Bozo
https://tinyurl.com/yckzo3ge
Re-heard tonight. One can hear the varying influences of his teachers Friedman, Hess,Friedberg. The liner notes dont give the recording date, other than one can conclude had to be between his Carnegie recital of 1965 , which the notes say triggered Vanguard's offer to him to record all the LvB sonatas , and his death in an auto accident in 1977.My Vanguard was remastered in 1992, released 1993 ; there is a later 2-cd set and a later box. As with all here, I have several of these, but very glad have Hungerford's, which are at YT, FWW.

The Vanguard Hungerford Beethoven sonatas were released on the Piano
Classics label as well. My database says that ops. 109 and 111 were
recorded in 1967 and op. 110 in 1969. I assume I got that from the
liner notes, but can't put my hands on it to check right now.

[Bozo]

Post by Frank Berger
The Vanguard Hungerford Beethoven sonatas were released on the Piano
Classics label as well. My database says that ops. 109 and 111 were
recorded in 1967 and op. 110 in 1969.

Thanks !

[td]

 Usually my mistakes are received more graciously.

Which is matched by your own graciousness, of course.

NOT!

TD

[td]

Post by Alan Cooper

Post by Sol L. Siegel
Bruce Hungerford's complete Beethoven (much-reissued previously)
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_April12_Classical/PCLM003
6.htm
But wait a minute.  Didn't he record Op. 79?  I'm certain that
he did, even though I can't find my copy.  Or is my memory
failing me (again)?

I don't have the recording dates handy, but here's a post of mine from August

Post by Sol L. Siegel
VCS 10055: opp. 27/1; 78; 110
VCS 10056: opp. 26; 27/2; 79
VCS 10084: opp. 2/1&2
VCS 10085: opp. 7; 10/1
VSD 71172: opp. 109; 111
VSD 71174: opp. 13; 31/2
VSD 71187: opp. 10/2&3
VSD 71186: opp. 49/1&2; 53
VSD 71252: opp. 14/1&2; 31/3
They'd make up a nice boxed set on CD, don't you think?

So, he DID do Op. 79.

TD

[John Thomas]

Post by Sol L. Siegel
Bruce Hungerford's complete Beethoven (much-reissued previously) is
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_April12_Classical/PCLM0036.htm
But wait a minute. Didn't he record Op. 79? I'm certain that he did,
even though I can't find my copy. Or is my memory failing me (again)?
- Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA

But is there any reason to buy these with or without Op. 79? I picked
up all the Vanguard CD's that were reissued a few years ago and listened
to them but didn't hear anything all that special and eventually traded
them. I've got Schnabel, Kovacevich, Gulda, Annie Fischer, Kempff
stereo, and most or all of the Beethoven recordings by Richter and
Gilels, with the Arrau reissue preordered. Is there any reason I should
need to reconsider Hungerford?

[td]

Post by Sol L. Siegel
Bruce Hungerford's complete Beethoven (much-reissued previously) is
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_April12_Classical/PCLM0036.htm
But wait a minute.  Didn't he record Op. 79?  I'm certain that he did,
even though I can't find my copy.  Or is my memory failing me (again)?
- Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA

But is there any reason to buy these with or without Op. 79?  I picked
up all the Vanguard CD's that were reissued a few years ago and listened
to them but didn't hear anything all that special and eventually traded
them. I've got Schnabel, Kovacevich, Gulda, Annie Fischer, Kempff
stereo, and most or all of the Beethoven recordings by Richter and
Gilels, with the Arrau reissue preordered.  Is there any reason I should
need to reconsider Hungerford?

I never heard anything special in Hungerford. I have the LPs, but not
the CDs.

TD