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Sweden tops Europe
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ScottW
2021-06-08 03:16:38 UTC
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in gun fatalities.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/27/report-sweden-top-in-europe-for-deadly-gun-violence/

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Trevor Wilson
2021-06-08 05:20:47 UTC
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in gun fatalities.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/27/report-sweden-top-in-europe-for-deadly-gun-violence/
**Shocking. Of course, compared to the US, Sweden is an extremely
peaceful place. The US has approximately 5 times the number of gun
related homicide rate.

Bet you won't read that in Breitbart.
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MiNe109
2021-06-08 12:00:31 UTC
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in gun fatalities.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/27/report-sweden-top-in-europe-for-deadly-gun-violence/
**Shocking. Of course, compared to the US, Sweden is an extremely
peaceful place. The US has approximately 5 times the number of gun
related homicide rate.
Bet you won't read that in Breitbart.
Yes, some country is going to lead Europe in gun violence.

We can look forward to Scott's reports on the world's tallest dwarfs.
ScottW
2021-06-08 16:08:27 UTC
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in gun fatalities.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/27/report-sweden-top-in-europe-for-deadly-gun-violence/
**Shocking. Of course, compared to the US, Sweden is an extremely
peaceful place. The US has approximately 5 times the number of gun
related homicide rate.
Hope you're quoting "per capita" or little Sweden's in deep deep shit.

ScottW
MiNe109
2021-06-08 20:36:58 UTC
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in gun fatalities.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/27/report-sweden-top-in-europe-for-deadly-gun-violence/
**Shocking. Of course, compared to the US, Sweden is an extremely
peaceful place. The US has approximately 5 times the number of gun
related homicide rate.
Hope you're quoting "per capita" or little Sweden's in deep deep shit.
Look for the word "rate." It's similar to the word "ratio."
ScottW
2021-06-09 03:20:36 UTC
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in gun fatalities.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/27/report-sweden-top-in-europe-for-deadly-gun-violence/
**Shocking. Of course, compared to the US, Sweden is an extremely
peaceful place. The US has approximately 5 times the number of gun
related homicide rate.
Hope you're quoting "per capita" or little Sweden's in deep deep shit.
Look for the word "rate." It's similar to the word "ratio."
Most often used against a unit of time....as in murders per year.

ScottW
MiNe109
2021-06-09 12:10:03 UTC
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in gun fatalities.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/27/report-sweden-top-in-europe-for-deadly-gun-violence/
**Shocking. Of course, compared to the US, Sweden is an extremely
peaceful place. The US has approximately 5 times the number of gun
related homicide rate.
Hope you're quoting "per capita" or little Sweden's in deep deep shit.
Look for the word "rate." It's similar to the word "ratio."
Most often used against a unit of time....as in murders per year.
Well-clarified! What does that have to do with your comment?

"The rate in Sweden ranks very high in relation to other European
countries, at approximately four deaths per million inhabitants per year."

That seems to have all the elements. Here's one for the US, from NPR:
3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019.

Yes, Trevor's off by an order of magnitude. Good catch!
ScottW
2021-06-09 16:47:53 UTC
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in gun fatalities.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/27/report-sweden-top-in-europe-for-deadly-gun-violence/
**Shocking. Of course, compared to the US, Sweden is an extremely
peaceful place. The US has approximately 5 times the number of gun
related homicide rate.
Hope you're quoting "per capita" or little Sweden's in deep deep shit.
Look for the word "rate." It's similar to the word "ratio."
Most often used against a unit of time....as in murders per year.
Well-clarified! What does that have to do with your comment?
"The rate in Sweden ranks very high in relation to other European
countries, at approximately four deaths per million inhabitants per year."
3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019.
Yes, Trevor's off by an order of magnitude. Good catch!
I'm dealing with math wizards.....
Are you still waiting for Blumenthal to hand out a million $ to every US citizen as CNN claimed he could do for his campaign ad budget too?

ScottW
MiNe109
2021-06-09 18:01:46 UTC
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in gun fatalities.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/27/report-sweden-top-in-europe-for-deadly-gun-violence/
**Shocking. Of course, compared to the US, Sweden is an extremely
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Post by Trevor Wilson
peaceful place. The US has approximately 5 times the number
of gun related homicide rate.
Hope you're quoting "per capita" or little Sweden's in deep deep shit.
Look for the word "rate." It's similar to the word "ratio."
Most often used against a unit of time....as in murders per
year.
Well-clarified! What does that have to do with your comment?
"The rate in Sweden ranks very high in relation to other European
countries, at approximately four deaths per million inhabitants per year."
That seems to have all the elements. Here's one for the US, from
NPR: 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019.
Yes, Trevor's off by an order of magnitude. Good catch!
I'm dealing with math wizards..... Are you still waiting for
Blumenthal to hand out a million $ to every US citizen as CNN claimed
he could do for his campaign ad budget too?
What about that? How about the rate of gun deaths?
ScottW
2021-06-09 18:05:25 UTC
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in gun fatalities.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/27/report-sweden-top-in-europe-for-deadly-gun-violence/
**Shocking. Of course, compared to the US, Sweden is an extremely
Post by MiNe109
Post by ScottW
Post by MiNe109
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
peaceful place. The US has approximately 5 times the number
of gun related homicide rate.
Hope you're quoting "per capita" or little Sweden's in deep deep shit.
Look for the word "rate." It's similar to the word "ratio."
Most often used against a unit of time....as in murders per year.
Well-clarified! What does that have to do with your comment?
"The rate in Sweden ranks very high in relation to other European
countries, at approximately four deaths per million inhabitants per year."
That seems to have all the elements. Here's one for the US, from
NPR: 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019.
Yes, Trevor's off by an order of magnitude. Good catch!
I'm dealing with math wizards..... Are you still waiting for
Blumenthal to hand out a million $ to every US citizen as CNN claimed
he could do for his campaign ad budget too?
What about that? How about the rate of gun deaths?
You both get F on this sixth grade level quiz.

ScottW
MiNe109
2021-06-09 18:21:21 UTC
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in gun fatalities.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/27/report-sweden-top-in-europe-for-deadly-gun-violence/
**Shocking. Of course, compared to the US, Sweden is an extremely
Post by MiNe109
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Post by MiNe109
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
peaceful place. The US has approximately 5 times the number
of gun related homicide rate.
Hope you're quoting "per capita" or little Sweden's in deep deep shit.
Look for the word "rate." It's similar to the word "ratio."
Most often used against a unit of time....as in murders per year.
Well-clarified! What does that have to do with your comment?
"The rate in Sweden ranks very high in relation to other European
countries, at approximately four deaths per million inhabitants per year."
That seems to have all the elements. Here's one for the US, from
NPR: 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019.
Yes, Trevor's off by an order of magnitude. Good catch!
I'm dealing with math wizards..... Are you still waiting for
Blumenthal to hand out a million $ to every US citizen as CNN claimed
he could do for his campaign ad budget too?
What about that? How about the rate of gun deaths?
You both get F on this sixth grade level quiz.
What was the question again? Something about per capita? Sweden: 4 per
million vs US: 4 per 100k.

Too bad your borrowed gotcha deflated in the face of comparison to the US.
ScottW
2021-06-10 01:40:19 UTC
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in gun fatalities.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/27/report-sweden-top-in-europe-for-deadly-gun-violence/
**Shocking. Of course, compared to the US, Sweden is an extremely
Post by MiNe109
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Post by Trevor Wilson
peaceful place. The US has approximately 5 times the number
of gun related homicide rate.
Hope you're quoting "per capita" or little Sweden's in deep deep shit.
Look for the word "rate." It's similar to the word "ratio."
Most often used against a unit of time....as in murders per year.
Well-clarified! What does that have to do with your comment?
"The rate in Sweden ranks very high in relation to other European
countries, at approximately four deaths per million inhabitants per year."
That seems to have all the elements. Here's one for the US, from
NPR: 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019.
Yes, Trevor's off by an order of magnitude. Good catch!
I'm dealing with math wizards..... Are you still waiting for
Blumenthal to hand out a million $ to every US citizen as CNN claimed
he could do for his campaign ad budget too?
What about that? How about the rate of gun deaths?
You both get F on this sixth grade level quiz.
What was the question again? Something about per capita? Sweden: 4 per
million vs US: 4 per 100k.
Too bad your borrowed gotcha deflated in the face of comparison to the US.
Tucker had an interesting take tonight....he ran a list of dem run cities that
have a higher crime rate than El Salvador or Guatemala.
Camela's going to fix their problems but doesn't do squat for Americans.

ScottW
Trevor Wilson
2021-06-10 01:59:43 UTC
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in gun fatalities.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/27/report-sweden-top-in-europe-for-deadly-gun-violence/
**Shocking. Of course, compared to the US, Sweden is an extremely
Post by MiNe109
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Post by Trevor Wilson
peaceful place. The US has approximately 5 times the number
of gun related homicide rate.
Hope you're quoting "per capita" or little Sweden's in deep deep shit.
Look for the word "rate." It's similar to the word "ratio."
Most often used against a unit of time....as in murders per year.
Well-clarified! What does that have to do with your comment?
"The rate in Sweden ranks very high in relation to other European
countries, at approximately four deaths per million inhabitants per year."
That seems to have all the elements. Here's one for the US, from
NPR: 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019.
Yes, Trevor's off by an order of magnitude. Good catch!
I'm dealing with math wizards..... Are you still waiting for
Blumenthal to hand out a million $ to every US citizen as CNN claimed
he could do for his campaign ad budget too?
What about that? How about the rate of gun deaths?
You both get F on this sixth grade level quiz.
What was the question again? Something about per capita? Sweden: 4 per
million vs US: 4 per 100k.
Too bad your borrowed gotcha deflated in the face of comparison to the US.
Tucker had an interesting take tonight....he ran a list of dem run cities that
have a higher crime rate than El Salvador or Guatemala.
Camela's going to fix their problems but doesn't do squat for Americans.
**I see what you did there.

* You posed a comment about gun HOMICIDE figures in Sweden.
* I then pointed out that, although Sweden's figures are high, they are
still MUCH, MUCH lower than those gun related homicide figures in the US.
* You then displayed you ignorance of plain English and babbled on about
irrelevancies.
* NOW, you cite some rubbery data about REPORTED (and that is very
important) crimes. Not specifically gun homicides, but "crime".

Your seriously dodgy strawman is duly noted. You built it, you burn it
down.

The facts are plain to see:

The US has the most appalling gun related homicide rate of any Western,
developed nation.

The US has, by an astonishing coincidence (well, not really a
coincidence), the weakest, most haphazard gun control laws of any
Western, developed nation.

Here's a tip: When presented with overwhelming evidence, stop digging
yourself into that hole.
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ScottW
2021-06-10 02:14:57 UTC
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in gun fatalities.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/27/report-sweden-top-in-europe-for-deadly-gun-violence/
**Shocking. Of course, compared to the US, Sweden is an extremely
Post by MiNe109
Post by ScottW
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Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
peaceful place. The US has approximately 5 times the number
of gun related homicide rate.
Hope you're quoting "per capita" or little Sweden's in deep deep shit.
Look for the word "rate." It's similar to the word "ratio."
Most often used against a unit of time....as in murders per year.
Well-clarified! What does that have to do with your comment?
"The rate in Sweden ranks very high in relation to other European
countries, at approximately four deaths per million inhabitants per year."
That seems to have all the elements. Here's one for the US, from
NPR: 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019.
Yes, Trevor's off by an order of magnitude. Good catch!
I'm dealing with math wizards..... Are you still waiting for
Blumenthal to hand out a million $ to every US citizen as CNN claimed
he could do for his campaign ad budget too?
What about that? How about the rate of gun deaths?
You both get F on this sixth grade level quiz.
What was the question again? Something about per capita? Sweden: 4 per
million vs US: 4 per 100k.
Too bad your borrowed gotcha deflated in the face of comparison to the US.
Tucker had an interesting take tonight....he ran a list of dem run cities that
have a higher crime rate than El Salvador or Guatemala.
Camela's going to fix their problems but doesn't do squat for Americans.
**I see what you did there.
* You posed a comment about gun HOMICIDE figures in Sweden.
I did.
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* I then pointed out that, although Sweden's figures are high, they are
still MUCH, MUCH lower than those gun related homicide figures in the US.
Yes...even though you still couldn't get the simple math correct.
Post by Trevor Wilson
* You then displayed you ignorance of plain English
you did? (snicker)
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and babbled on about
irrelevancies.
* NOW, you cite some rubbery data about REPORTED (and that is very
important) crimes. Not specifically gun homicides, but "crime".
It was actually "violent crime"....but no matter. You can use murders if you want.
Why are dems so worried about "root cause" in Guatemala...when they can't get to the root causes in Chicago?
They won't even talk about it. Trump at least started a program to pursue federal enforcement of gun crimes.
But anything Trump did...Biden seems compelled to undo.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Your seriously dodgy strawman is duly noted. You built it, you burn it
down.
The US has the most appalling gun related homicide rate of any Western,
developed nation.
The US has, by an astonishing coincidence (well, not really a
coincidence), the weakest, most haphazard gun control laws of any
Western, developed nation.
and since dems have gone on a defund the police and ignore skyrocketing crime rates
we actually have elected Sheriffs warning people to get a gun...get a CC permit...and defend yourself.

What do you say to the LA County Sheriff?

ScottW
Trevor Wilson
2021-06-10 04:15:29 UTC
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in gun fatalities.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/27/report-sweden-top-in-europe-for-deadly-gun-violence/
**Shocking. Of course, compared to the US, Sweden is an extremely
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peaceful place. The US has approximately 5 times the number
of gun related homicide rate.
Hope you're quoting "per capita" or little Sweden's in deep deep shit.
Look for the word "rate." It's similar to the word "ratio."
Most often used against a unit of time....as in murders per year.
Well-clarified! What does that have to do with your comment?
"The rate in Sweden ranks very high in relation to other European
countries, at approximately four deaths per million inhabitants per year."
That seems to have all the elements. Here's one for the US, from
NPR: 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019.
Yes, Trevor's off by an order of magnitude. Good catch!
I'm dealing with math wizards..... Are you still waiting for
Blumenthal to hand out a million $ to every US citizen as CNN claimed
he could do for his campaign ad budget too?
What about that? How about the rate of gun deaths?
You both get F on this sixth grade level quiz.
What was the question again? Something about per capita? Sweden: 4 per
million vs US: 4 per 100k.
Too bad your borrowed gotcha deflated in the face of comparison to the US.
Tucker had an interesting take tonight....he ran a list of dem run cities that
have a higher crime rate than El Salvador or Guatemala.
Camela's going to fix their problems but doesn't do squat for Americans.
**I see what you did there.
* You posed a comment about gun HOMICIDE figures in Sweden.
I did.
Post by Trevor Wilson
* I then pointed out that, although Sweden's figures are high, they are
still MUCH, MUCH lower than those gun related homicide figures in the US.
Yes...even though you still couldn't get the simple math correct.
**Really? What math did I present?
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Post by Trevor Wilson
* You then displayed you ignorance of plain English
you did? (snicker)
**Umm, nope. You failed to understand the term: "rate".
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Post by Trevor Wilson
and babbled on about
irrelevancies.
* NOW, you cite some rubbery data about REPORTED (and that is very
important) crimes. Not specifically gun homicides, but "crime".
It was actually "violent crime"....but no matter.
**It DOES matter. We were discussing GUN HOMICIDE rates. NOT some
rubbery "crime". And I stress once more: REPORTED crime figures. Do you
think that "crimes" are reported in Guatemala as often as they are
reported in LA?


You can use murders if you want.

**YOU were the one who introduced GUN HOMICIDES. YOU did so in the first
post in this thread.
Post by ScottW
Why are dems so worried about "root cause" in Guatemala...when they can't get to the root causes in Chicago?
**I am discussing the horrendous level of GUN HOMICIDE in the US,
compared to the level in Sweden. YOU started the thread about Sweden.
Note the header. Please do try to remain on-topic.
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They won't even talk about it. Trump at least started a program to pursue federal enforcement of gun crimes.
**Trump wanted to make it easier for bad people to acquire guns:

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/trumps-mixed-record-on-gun-control/

Trump was useless. Worse, he stacked the Supreme Court with gun lovers,
religious loons and fuckwits.
Post by ScottW
But anything Trump did...Biden seems compelled to undo.
**Not so:

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/a-competition-to-win-the-21st-century-us-senate-passes-anti-china-bill-20210609-p57zdz.html

Nothing to do with Sweden and gun homicide though.
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Your seriously dodgy strawman is duly noted. You built it, you burn it
down.
The US has the most appalling gun related homicide rate of any Western,
developed nation.
The US has, by an astonishing coincidence (well, not really a
coincidence), the weakest, most haphazard gun control laws of any
Western, developed nation.
and since dems have gone on a defund the police and ignore skyrocketing crime rates
we actually have elected Sheriffs warning people to get a gun...get a CC permit...and defend yourself.
**Popularly elected sheriffs can be a very bad idea.
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What do you say to the LA County Sheriff?
**He is an idiot to for placing his own officers and the general public
at greater risk.

Perhaps you would post a link showing where the LA County Sheriff said
what you claim he said.

Arming the public is really dumb public policy. As is evidenced by the
insanely high rates of gun homicide in the US.

IF the LA County Sheriff and the NRA was right, then the US would be the
safest place on the planet.

It isn't. Guns have no place in the hands of civilians.
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2021-06-10 04:41:14 UTC
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in gun fatalities.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/27/report-sweden-top-in-europe-for-deadly-gun-violence/
**Shocking. Of course, compared to the US, Sweden is an extremely
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peaceful place. The US has approximately 5 times the number
of gun related homicide rate.
Hope you're quoting "per capita" or little Sweden's in deep
deep shit.
Look for the word "rate." It's similar to the word "ratio."
Most often used against a unit of time....as in murders per year.
Well-clarified! What does that have to do with your comment?
"The rate in Sweden ranks very high in relation to other European
countries, at approximately four deaths per million inhabitants per
year."
That seems to have all the elements. Here's one for the US, from
NPR: 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019.
Yes, Trevor's off by an order of magnitude. Good catch!
I'm dealing with math wizards..... Are you still waiting for
Blumenthal to hand out a million $ to every US citizen as CNN claimed
he could do for his campaign ad budget too?
What about that? How about the rate of gun deaths?
You both get F on this sixth grade level quiz.
What was the question again? Something about per capita? Sweden: 4 per
million vs US: 4 per 100k.
Too bad your borrowed gotcha deflated in the face of comparison to the US.
Tucker had an interesting take tonight....he ran a list of dem run cities that
have a higher crime rate than El Salvador or Guatemala.
Camela's going to fix their problems but doesn't do squat for Americans.
**I see what you did there.
* You posed a comment about gun HOMICIDE figures in Sweden.
I did.
Post by Trevor Wilson
* I then pointed out that, although Sweden's figures are high, they are
still MUCH, MUCH lower than those gun related homicide figures in the US.
Yes...even though you still couldn't get the simple math correct.
**Really? What math did I present?
the math with a wrong answer
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* You then displayed you ignorance of plain English
you did? (snicker)
**Umm, nope. You failed to understand the term: "rate".
It's just no fun poking fun at someone with you ignorance.
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and babbled on about
irrelevancies.
* NOW, you cite some rubbery data about REPORTED (and that is very
important) crimes. Not specifically gun homicides, but "crime".
It was actually "violent crime"....but no matter.
**It DOES matter. We were discussing GUN HOMICIDE rates. NOT some
rubbery "crime".
I don't know what kind of rubbery crime you're into over there but we got real issues so....
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And I stress once more: REPORTED crime figures. Do you
think that "crimes" are reported in Guatemala as often as they are
reported in LA?
Maybe more...since in LA cops won't even take a report now for many crimes
the "reported crime rate" should be in decline.
Post by Trevor Wilson
You can use murders if you want.
**YOU were the one who introduced GUN HOMICIDES. YOU did so in the first
post in this thread.
I actually said "gun fatalities" which could be a bunch of suicidal swedes cuz their country
has gone to shit....
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Why are dems so worried about "root cause" in Guatemala...when they can't get to the root causes in Chicago?
**I am discussing the horrendous level of GUN HOMICIDE in the US,
You're not really discussing anything.....just doing your usual rage thing to eventually
get to some BS about gun control...that isn't going to ever happen.
More people are now gun owners than ever before.
You shouldn't ever come to America again....you could get shot.
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compared to the level in Sweden. YOU started the thread about Sweden.
Sweden is trying to catch up....but we got a head start.
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Note the header. Please do try to remain on-topic.
Post by ScottW
They won't even talk about it. Trump at least started a program to pursue federal enforcement of gun crimes.
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/trumps-mixed-record-on-gun-control/
"In fiscal year 2019, the Department of Justice successfully prosecuted 10,623 defendants of firearms offenses, according to data provided by department spokesman Peter Carr. That’s the most since at least fiscal year 1992, based on a review of the department’s annual statistical reports since fiscal year 1992. The previous high was 10,466 in fiscal 2006,"
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Trump was useless. Worse, he stacked the Supreme Court with gun lovers,
Oh the horror of our constitution. I hope you can't sleep nights.
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religious loons and fuckwits.
Post by ScottW
But anything Trump did...Biden seems compelled to undo.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/a-competition-to-win-the-21st-century-us-senate-passes-anti-china-bill-20210609-p57zdz.html
I won't read SuckMyHiney until you'll read my twitter references. Fair is fair.
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Nothing to do with Sweden and gun homicide though.
Exactly...stay on topic.
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Your seriously dodgy strawman is duly noted. You built it, you burn it
down.
The US has the most appalling gun related homicide rate of any Western,
developed nation.
The US has, by an astonishing coincidence (well, not really a
coincidence), the weakest, most haphazard gun control laws of any
Western, developed nation.
and since dems have gone on a defund the police and ignore skyrocketing crime rates
we actually have elected Sheriffs warning people to get a gun...get a CC permit...and defend yourself.
**Popularly elected sheriffs can be a very bad idea.
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What do you say to the LA County Sheriff?
**He is an idiot to for placing his own officers and the general public
at greater risk.
It's not his fault. The LA DA won't put anyone in jail. He see's the world getting more dangerous every day and is warning people to protect themselves.
You want to be protected.
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Perhaps you would post a link showing where the LA County Sheriff said
what you claim he said.
Google it yourself....I already have posted it elsewhere.
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Arming the public is really dumb public policy. As is evidenced by the
insanely high rates of gun homicide in the US.
IF the LA County Sheriff and the NRA was right, then the US would be the
safest place on the planet.
It isn't. Guns have no place in the hands of civilians.
You being the civilian you know best, I understand why you feel that way.

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in gun fatalities.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/27/report-sweden-top-in-europe-for-deadly-gun-violence/
**Shocking. Of course, compared to the US, Sweden is an extremely
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peaceful place. The US has approximately 5 times the number
of gun related homicide rate.
Hope you're quoting "per capita" or little Sweden's in deep
deep shit.
Look for the word "rate." It's similar to the word "ratio."
Most often used against a unit of time....as in murders per year.
Well-clarified! What does that have to do with your comment?
"The rate in Sweden ranks very high in relation to other European
countries, at approximately four deaths per million inhabitants per
year."
That seems to have all the elements. Here's one for the US, from
NPR: 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019.
Yes, Trevor's off by an order of magnitude. Good catch!
I'm dealing with math wizards..... Are you still waiting for
Blumenthal to hand out a million $ to every US citizen as CNN claimed
he could do for his campaign ad budget too?
What about that? How about the rate of gun deaths?
You both get F on this sixth grade level quiz.
What was the question again? Something about per capita? Sweden: 4 per
million vs US: 4 per 100k.
Too bad your borrowed gotcha deflated in the face of comparison to the US.
Tucker had an interesting take tonight....he ran a list of dem run cities that
have a higher crime rate than El Salvador or Guatemala.
Camela's going to fix their problems but doesn't do squat for Americans.
**I see what you did there.
* You posed a comment about gun HOMICIDE figures in Sweden.
I did.
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* I then pointed out that, although Sweden's figures are high, they are
still MUCH, MUCH lower than those gun related homicide figures in the US.
Yes...even though you still couldn't get the simple math correct.
**Really? What math did I present?
the math with a wrong answer
**Cite.
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* You then displayed you ignorance of plain English
you did? (snicker)
**Umm, nope. You failed to understand the term: "rate".
It's just no fun poking fun at someone with you ignorance.
**Care to re-phrase that into English?
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and babbled on about
irrelevancies.
* NOW, you cite some rubbery data about REPORTED (and that is very
important) crimes. Not specifically gun homicides, but "crime".
It was actually "violent crime"....but no matter.
**It DOES matter. We were discussing GUN HOMICIDE rates. NOT some
rubbery "crime".
I don't know what kind of rubbery crime you're into over there but we got real issues so....
**"Crime" is a very rubbery catch-all. It is meaningless when comparing
(say) LA to Guatemala. "Crime" reporting is VERY different in those two
places. Even homicides may be differently reported.
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And I stress once more: REPORTED crime figures. Do you
think that "crimes" are reported in Guatemala as often as they are
reported in LA?
Maybe more...since in LA cops won't even take a report now for many crimes
the "reported crime rate" should be in decline.
**Prove that more crimes are reported in Guatemala than in LA.
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You can use murders if you want.
**YOU were the one who introduced GUN HOMICIDES. YOU did so in the first
post in this thread.
I actually said "gun fatalities" which could be a bunch of suicidal swedes cuz their country
has gone to shit....
**Sweden "has gone to shit"? Really? In what way/s?
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Why are dems so worried about "root cause" in Guatemala...when they can't get to the root causes in Chicago?
**I am discussing the horrendous level of GUN HOMICIDE in the US,
You're not really discussing anything.....
**Wrong. I am comparing the level of gun homicide in Sweden to that in
the US.


just doing your usual rage thing to eventually
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get to some BS about gun control...that isn't going to ever happen.
**Prove it. The NRA is in the toilet, Trump is gone and will be in gaol
soon and, hopefully, the religious right's stangle-hold on the Supreme
Court will be smashed.
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More people are now gun owners than ever before.
**So?
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You shouldn't ever come to America again....you could get shot.
**Sure. I am 20 times more likely to be shot to death in the US, than I
am in Australia. Sobering, huh?

Oops. Update. The figure is now 30 TIMES more likely to be shot to death
in the US. I didn't realise how much safer Australia had become in the
last 15 years.
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compared to the level in Sweden. YOU started the thread about Sweden.
Sweden is trying to catch up....but we got a head start.
**How do you know Sweden is "trying to catch up"?
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Note the header. Please do try to remain on-topic.
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They won't even talk about it. Trump at least started a program to pursue federal enforcement of gun crimes.
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/trumps-mixed-record-on-gun-control/
"In fiscal year 2019, the Department of Justice successfully prosecuted 10,623 defendants of firearms offenses, according to data provided by department spokesman Peter Carr. That’s the most since at least fiscal year 1992, based on a review of the department’s annual statistical reports since fiscal year 1992. The previous high was 10,466 in fiscal 2006,"
**So? Trump made it easier for bad people to acquire firearms. Dumb
public policy. Civilians should not have guns. It's THAT simple.
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Trump was useless. Worse, he stacked the Supreme Court with gun lovers,
Oh the horror of our constitution. I hope you can't sleep nights.
**There are faults in the US Constitution and BoR. Like the poor wording
of the 2nd.
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religious loons and fuckwits.
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But anything Trump did...Biden seems compelled to undo.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/a-competition-to-win-the-21st-century-us-senate-passes-anti-china-bill-20210609-p57zdz.html
I won't read SuckMyHiney until you'll read my twitter references. Fair is fair.
**SMH employs world-class journalists and has very high credibility.
Twitter employs anyone who wants to make noise.

You're an idiot for comparing the two.
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Nothing to do with Sweden and gun homicide though.
Exactly...stay on topic.
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Your seriously dodgy strawman is duly noted. You built it, you burn it
down.
The US has the most appalling gun related homicide rate of any Western,
developed nation.
The US has, by an astonishing coincidence (well, not really a
coincidence), the weakest, most haphazard gun control laws of any
Western, developed nation.
and since dems have gone on a defund the police and ignore skyrocketing crime rates
we actually have elected Sheriffs warning people to get a gun...get a CC permit...and defend yourself.
**Popularly elected sheriffs can be a very bad idea.
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What do you say to the LA County Sheriff?
**He is an idiot to for placing his own officers and the general public
at greater risk.
It's not his fault. The LA DA won't put anyone in jail.
**Really? I call that a lie.

He see's the world getting more dangerous every day and is warning
people to protect themselves.
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You want to be protected.
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Perhaps you would post a link showing where the LA County Sheriff said
what you claim he said.
Google it yourself....I already have posted it elsewhere.
**I note your inability to provide proof of your claim. Claim rejected.
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Arming the public is really dumb public policy. As is evidenced by the
insanely high rates of gun homicide in the US.
IF the LA County Sheriff and the NRA was right, then the US would be the
safest place on the planet.
It isn't. Guns have no place in the hands of civilians.
You being the civilian you know best, I understand why you feel that way.
**10,000 dead Americans each and every year is proof that the American
experiment that seeks to arm civilians is not working.

10,000 dead. That's 3 X 9/11 events each and every year.

10,000 dead. That's more Americans killed each year than were killed in
Vietnam each year.

It's incredible that you have these religious loons banging on about
safe, legal abortions and those same religious loons say nothing about
10,000 murdered Americans each year. All from a mis-reading of the 2nd
Amendment.

The real question is this:

Why do YOU accept this horrendous situation?
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in gun fatalities.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/27/report-sweden-top-in-europe-for-deadly-gun-violence/
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**Shocking. Of course, compared to the US, Sweden is an extremely
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peaceful place. The US has approximately 5 times the number
of gun related homicide rate.
Hope you're quoting "per capita" or little Sweden's in deep
deep shit.
Look for the word "rate." It's similar to the word "ratio."
Most often used against a unit of time....as in murders per year.
Well-clarified! What does that have to do with your comment?
"The rate in Sweden ranks very high in relation to other European
countries, at approximately four deaths per million
inhabitants per
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year."
That seems to have all the elements. Here's one for the US, from
NPR: 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019.
Yes, Trevor's off by an order of magnitude. Good catch!
I'm dealing with math wizards..... Are you still waiting for
Blumenthal to hand out a million $ to every US citizen as CNN claimed
he could do for his campaign ad budget too?
What about that? How about the rate of gun deaths?
You both get F on this sixth grade level quiz.
What was the question again? Something about per capita? Sweden: 4 per
million vs US: 4 per 100k.
Too bad your borrowed gotcha deflated in the face of comparison to the US.
Tucker had an interesting take tonight....he ran a list of dem run cities that
have a higher crime rate than El Salvador or Guatemala.
Camela's going to fix their problems but doesn't do squat for Americans.
**I see what you did there.
* You posed a comment about gun HOMICIDE figures in Sweden.
I did.
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* I then pointed out that, although Sweden's figures are high, they are
still MUCH, MUCH lower than those gun related homicide figures in the US.
Yes...even though you still couldn't get the simple math correct.
**Really? What math did I present?
the math with a wrong answer
**Cite.
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* You then displayed you ignorance of plain English
you did? (snicker)
**Umm, nope. You failed to understand the term: "rate".
It's just no fun poking fun at someone with you ignorance.
**Care to re-phrase that into English?
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and babbled on about
irrelevancies.
* NOW, you cite some rubbery data about REPORTED (and that is very
important) crimes. Not specifically gun homicides, but "crime".
It was actually "violent crime"....but no matter.
**It DOES matter. We were discussing GUN HOMICIDE rates. NOT some
rubbery "crime".
I don't know what kind of rubbery crime you're into over there but
we got real issues so....

**"Crime" is a very rubbery catch-all. It is meaningless when comparing
(say) LA to Guatemala. "Crime" reporting is VERY different in those two
places. Even homicides may be differently reported.
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And I stress once more: REPORTED crime figures. Do you
think that "crimes" are reported in Guatemala as often as they are
reported in LA?
Maybe more...since in LA cops won't even take a report now for many crimes
the "reported crime rate" should be in decline.
**Prove that more crimes are reported in Guatemala than in LA.
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You can use murders if you want.
**YOU were the one who introduced GUN HOMICIDES. YOU did so in the first
post in this thread.
I actually said "gun fatalities" which could be a bunch of suicidal
swedes cuz their country
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has gone to shit....
**Sweden "has gone to shit"? Really? In what way/s?
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Why are dems so worried about "root cause" in Guatemala...when they
can't get to the root causes in Chicago?
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**I am discussing the horrendous level of GUN HOMICIDE in the US,
You're not really discussing anything.....
**Wrong. I am comparing the level of gun homicide in Sweden to that in
the US.


just doing your usual rage thing to eventually
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get to some BS about gun control...that isn't going to ever happen.
**Prove it. The NRA is in the toilet, Trump is gone and will be in gaol
soon and, hopefully, the religious right's stangle-hold on the Supreme
Court will be smashed.
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More people are now gun owners than ever before.
**So?
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You shouldn't ever come to America again....you could get shot.
**Sure. I am 20 times more likely to be shot to death in the US, than I
am in Australia. Sobering, huh?

Oops. Update. The figure is now 30 TIMES more likely to be shot to death
in the US. I didn't realise how much safer Australia had become in the
last 15 years.
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compared to the level in Sweden. YOU started the thread about Sweden.
Sweden is trying to catch up....but we got a head start.
**How do you know Sweden is "trying to catch up"?
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Note the header. Please do try to remain on-topic.
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They won't even talk about it. Trump at least started a program to
pursue federal enforcement of gun crimes.
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https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/trumps-mixed-record-on-gun-control/
"In fiscal year 2019, the Department of Justice successfully
prosecuted 10,623 defendants of firearms offenses, according to data
provided by department spokesman Peter Carr. That’s the most since at
least fiscal year 1992, based on a review of the department’s annual
statistical reports since fiscal year 1992. The previous high was 10,466
in fiscal 2006,"

**So? Trump made it easier for bad people to acquire firearms. Dumb
public policy. Civilians should not have guns. It's THAT simple.
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Trump was useless. Worse, he stacked the Supreme Court with gun lovers,
Oh the horror of our constitution. I hope you can't sleep nights.
**There are faults in the US Constitution and BoR. Like the poor wording
of the 2nd.
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religious loons and fuckwits.
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But anything Trump did...Biden seems compelled to undo.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/a-competition-to-win-the-21st-century-us-senate-passes-anti-china-bill-20210609-p57zdz.html
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I won't read SuckMyHiney until you'll read my twitter references.
Fair is fair.

**SMH employs world-class journalists and has very high credibility.
Twitter employs anyone who wants to make noise.

You're an idiot for comparing the two.
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Nothing to do with Sweden and gun homicide though.
Exactly...stay on topic.
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Your seriously dodgy strawman is duly noted. You built it, you burn it
down.
The US has the most appalling gun related homicide rate of any Western,
developed nation.
The US has, by an astonishing coincidence (well, not really a
coincidence), the weakest, most haphazard gun control laws of any
Western, developed nation.
and since dems have gone on a defund the police and ignore
skyrocketing crime rates
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
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we actually have elected Sheriffs warning people to get a gun...get
a CC permit...and defend yourself.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Popularly elected sheriffs can be a very bad idea.
Post by ScottW
What do you say to the LA County Sheriff?
**He is an idiot to for placing his own officers and the general public
at greater risk.
It's not his fault. The LA DA won't put anyone in jail.
**Really? I call that a lie.

He see's the world getting more dangerous every day and is warning
people to protect themselves.
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You want to be protected.
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Perhaps you would post a link showing where the LA County Sheriff said
what you claim he said.
Google it yourself....I already have posted it elsewhere.
**I note your inability to provide proof of your claim. Claim rejected.
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Arming the public is really dumb public policy. As is evidenced by the
insanely high rates of gun homicide in the US.
IF the LA County Sheriff and the NRA was right, then the US would be the
safest place on the planet.
It isn't. Guns have no place in the hands of civilians.
You being the civilian you know best, I understand why you feel that way.
**10,000 dead Americans each and every year is proof that the American
experiment that seeks to arm civilians is not working.

10,000 dead. That's 3 X 9/11 events each and every year.

10,000 dead. That's more Americans killed each year than were killed in
Vietnam each year.

It's incredible that you have these religious loons banging on about
safe, legal abortions and those same religious loons say nothing about
10,000 murdered Americans each year. All from a mis-reading of the 2nd
Amendment.

The real question is this:

Why do YOU accept this horrendous situation?
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in gun fatalities.
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**Shocking. Of course, compared to the US, Sweden is an extremely
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peaceful place. The US has approximately 5 times the number
of gun related homicide rate.
Hope you're quoting "per capita" or little Sweden's in deep
deep shit.
Look for the word "rate." It's similar to the word "ratio."
Most often used against a unit of time....as in murders per year.
Well-clarified! What does that have to do with your comment?
"The rate in Sweden ranks very high in relation to other
European
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year."
That seems to have all the elements. Here's one for the US, from
NPR: 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019.
Yes, Trevor's off by an order of magnitude. Good catch!
I'm dealing with math wizards..... Are you still waiting for
Blumenthal to hand out a million $ to every US citizen as CNN
claimed
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he could do for his campaign ad budget too?
What about that? How about the rate of gun deaths?
You both get F on this sixth grade level quiz.
4 per
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million vs US: 4 per 100k.
Too bad your borrowed gotcha deflated in the face of comparison
to the US.
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Tucker had an interesting take tonight....he ran a list of dem
run cities that
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have a higher crime rate than El Salvador or Guatemala.
Camela's going to fix their problems but doesn't do squat for
Americans.
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**I see what you did there.
* You posed a comment about gun HOMICIDE figures in Sweden.
I did.
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* I then pointed out that, although Sweden's figures are high,
they are
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still MUCH, MUCH lower than those gun related homicide figures in
the US.
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Yes...even though you still couldn't get the simple math correct.
**Really? What math did I present?
the math with a wrong answer
**Cite.
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* You then displayed you ignorance of plain English
you did? (snicker)
**Umm, nope. You failed to understand the term: "rate".
It's just no fun poking fun at someone with you ignorance.
**Care to re-phrase that into English?
LMFAO....

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in gun fatalities.
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**Shocking. Of course, compared to the US, Sweden is an extremely
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peaceful place. The US has approximately 5 times the number
of gun related homicide rate.
Hope you're quoting "per capita" or little Sweden's in deep
deep shit.
Look for the word "rate." It's similar to the word "ratio."
Most often used against a unit of time....as in murders per year.
Well-clarified! What does that have to do with your comment?
"The rate in Sweden ranks very high in relation to other European
countries, at approximately four deaths per million
inhabitants per
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year."
That seems to have all the elements. Here's one for the US, from
NPR: 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019.
Yes, Trevor's off by an order of magnitude. Good catch!
I'm dealing with math wizards..... Are you still waiting for
Blumenthal to hand out a million $ to every US citizen as CNN claimed
he could do for his campaign ad budget too?
What about that? How about the rate of gun deaths?
You both get F on this sixth grade level quiz.
What was the question again? Something about per capita? Sweden: 4 per
million vs US: 4 per 100k.
Too bad your borrowed gotcha deflated in the face of comparison to the US.
Tucker had an interesting take tonight....he ran a list of dem run cities that
have a higher crime rate than El Salvador or Guatemala.
Camela's going to fix their problems but doesn't do squat for Americans.
**I see what you did there.
* You posed a comment about gun HOMICIDE figures in Sweden.
I did.
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* I then pointed out that, although Sweden's figures are high, they are
still MUCH, MUCH lower than those gun related homicide figures in the US.
Yes...even though you still couldn't get the simple math correct.
**Really? What math did I present?
the math with a wrong answer
**Cite.
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* You then displayed you ignorance of plain English
you did? (snicker)
**Umm, nope. You failed to understand the term: "rate".
It's just no fun poking fun at someone with you ignorance.
**Care to re-phrase that into English?
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and babbled on about
irrelevancies.
* NOW, you cite some rubbery data about REPORTED (and that is very
important) crimes. Not specifically gun homicides, but "crime".
It was actually "violent crime"....but no matter.
**It DOES matter. We were discussing GUN HOMICIDE rates. NOT some
rubbery "crime".
I don't know what kind of rubbery crime you're into over there but
we got real issues so....

**"Crime" is a very rubbery catch-all. It is meaningless when comparing
(say) LA to Guatemala. "Crime" reporting is VERY different in those two
places. Even homicides may be differently reported.
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And I stress once more: REPORTED crime figures. Do you
think that "crimes" are reported in Guatemala as often as they are
reported in LA?
Maybe more...since in LA cops won't even take a report now for many crimes
the "reported crime rate" should be in decline.
**Prove that more crimes are reported in Guatemala than in LA.
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You can use murders if you want.
**YOU were the one who introduced GUN HOMICIDES. YOU did so in the first
post in this thread.
I actually said "gun fatalities" which could be a bunch of suicidal
swedes cuz their country
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has gone to shit....
**Sweden "has gone to shit"? Really? In what way/s?
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Why are dems so worried about "root cause" in Guatemala...when they
can't get to the root causes in Chicago?
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**I am discussing the horrendous level of GUN HOMICIDE in the US,
You're not really discussing anything.....
**Wrong. I am comparing the level of gun homicide in Sweden to that in
the US.


just doing your usual rage thing to eventually
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get to some BS about gun control...that isn't going to ever happen.
**Prove it. The NRA is in the toilet, Trump is gone and will be in gaol
soon and, hopefully, the religious right's stangle-hold on the Supreme
Court will be smashed.
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More people are now gun owners than ever before.
**So?
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You shouldn't ever come to America again....you could get shot.
**Sure. I am 20 times more likely to be shot to death in the US, than I
am in Australia. Sobering, huh?

Oops. Update. The figure is now 30 TIMES more likely to be shot to death
in the US. I didn't realise how much safer Australia had become in the
last 15 years.
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compared to the level in Sweden. YOU started the thread about Sweden.
Sweden is trying to catch up....but we got a head start.
**How do you know Sweden is "trying to catch up"?
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Note the header. Please do try to remain on-topic.
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They won't even talk about it. Trump at least started a program to
pursue federal enforcement of gun crimes.
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Post by Trevor Wilson
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/trumps-mixed-record-on-gun-control/
"In fiscal year 2019, the Department of Justice successfully
prosecuted 10,623 defendants of firearms offenses, according to data
provided by department spokesman Peter Carr. That’s the most since at
least fiscal year 1992, based on a review of the department’s annual
statistical reports since fiscal year 1992. The previous high was 10,466
in fiscal 2006,"

**So? Trump made it easier for bad people to acquire firearms. Dumb
public policy. Civilians should not have guns. It's THAT simple.
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Trump was useless. Worse, he stacked the Supreme Court with gun lovers,
Oh the horror of our constitution. I hope you can't sleep nights.
**There are faults in the US Constitution and BoR. Like the poor wording
of the 2nd.
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religious loons and fuckwits.
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But anything Trump did...Biden seems compelled to undo.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/a-competition-to-win-the-21st-century-us-senate-passes-anti-china-bill-20210609-p57zdz.html
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I won't read SuckMyHiney until you'll read my twitter references.
Fair is fair.

**SMH employs world-class journalists and has very high credibility.
Twitter employs anyone who wants to make noise.

You're an idiot for comparing the two.
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Nothing to do with Sweden and gun homicide though.
Exactly...stay on topic.
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Your seriously dodgy strawman is duly noted. You built it, you burn it
down.
The US has the most appalling gun related homicide rate of any Western,
developed nation.
The US has, by an astonishing coincidence (well, not really a
coincidence), the weakest, most haphazard gun control laws of any
Western, developed nation.
and since dems have gone on a defund the police and ignore
skyrocketing crime rates
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we actually have elected Sheriffs warning people to get a gun...get
a CC permit...and defend yourself.
Post by ScottW
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**Popularly elected sheriffs can be a very bad idea.
Post by ScottW
What do you say to the LA County Sheriff?
**He is an idiot to for placing his own officers and the general public
at greater risk.
It's not his fault. The LA DA won't put anyone in jail.
**Really? I call that a lie.

He see's the world getting more dangerous every day and is warning
people to protect themselves.
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You want to be protected.
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Perhaps you would post a link showing where the LA County Sheriff said
what you claim he said.
Google it yourself....I already have posted it elsewhere.
**I note your inability to provide proof of your claim. Claim rejected.
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Arming the public is really dumb public policy. As is evidenced by the
insanely high rates of gun homicide in the US.
IF the LA County Sheriff and the NRA was right, then the US would be the
safest place on the planet.
It isn't. Guns have no place in the hands of civilians.
You being the civilian you know best, I understand why you feel that way.
**10,000 dead Americans each and every year is proof that the American
experiment that seeks to arm civilians is not working.

10,000 dead. That's 3 X 9/11 events each and every year.

10,000 dead. That's more Americans killed each year than were killed in
Vietnam each year.

It's incredible that you have these religious loons banging on about
safe, legal abortions and those same religious loons say nothing about
10,000 murdered Americans each year. All from a mis-reading of the 2nd
Amendment.

The real question is this:

Why do YOU accept this horrendous situation?
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in gun fatalities.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/27/report-sweden-top-in-europe-for-deadly-gun-violence/
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**Shocking. Of course, compared to the US, Sweden is an extremely
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peaceful place. The US has approximately 5 times the number
of gun related homicide rate.
Hope you're quoting "per capita" or little Sweden's in deep
deep shit.
Look for the word "rate." It's similar to the word "ratio."
Most often used against a unit of time....as in murders per year.
Well-clarified! What does that have to do with your comment?
"The rate in Sweden ranks very high in relation to other European
countries, at approximately four deaths per million
inhabitants per
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year."
That seems to have all the elements. Here's one for the US, from
NPR: 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019.
Yes, Trevor's off by an order of magnitude. Good catch!
I'm dealing with math wizards..... Are you still waiting for
Blumenthal to hand out a million $ to every US citizen as CNN claimed
he could do for his campaign ad budget too?
What about that? How about the rate of gun deaths?
You both get F on this sixth grade level quiz.
What was the question again? Something about per capita? Sweden: 4 per
million vs US: 4 per 100k.
Too bad your borrowed gotcha deflated in the face of comparison to the US.
Tucker had an interesting take tonight....he ran a list of dem run cities that
have a higher crime rate than El Salvador or Guatemala.
Camela's going to fix their problems but doesn't do squat for Americans.
**I see what you did there.
* You posed a comment about gun HOMICIDE figures in Sweden.
I did.
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* I then pointed out that, although Sweden's figures are high, they are
still MUCH, MUCH lower than those gun related homicide figures in the US.
Yes...even though you still couldn't get the simple math correct.
**Really? What math did I present?
the math with a wrong answer
**Cite.
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* You then displayed you ignorance of plain English
you did? (snicker)
**Umm, nope. You failed to understand the term: "rate".
It's just no fun poking fun at someone with you ignorance.
**Care to re-phrase that into English?
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and babbled on about
irrelevancies.
* NOW, you cite some rubbery data about REPORTED (and that is very
important) crimes. Not specifically gun homicides, but "crime".
It was actually "violent crime"....but no matter.
**It DOES matter. We were discussing GUN HOMICIDE rates. NOT some
rubbery "crime".
I don't know what kind of rubbery crime you're into over there but
we got real issues so....

**"Crime" is a very rubbery catch-all. It is meaningless when comparing
(say) LA to Guatemala. "Crime" reporting is VERY different in those two
places. Even homicides may be differently reported.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
And I stress once more: REPORTED crime figures. Do you
think that "crimes" are reported in Guatemala as often as they are
reported in LA?
Maybe more...since in LA cops won't even take a report now for many crimes
the "reported crime rate" should be in decline.
**Prove that more crimes are reported in Guatemala than in LA.
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Post by Trevor Wilson
You can use murders if you want.
**YOU were the one who introduced GUN HOMICIDES. YOU did so in the first
post in this thread.
I actually said "gun fatalities" which could be a bunch of suicidal
swedes cuz their country
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has gone to shit....
**Sweden "has gone to shit"? Really? In what way/s?
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Why are dems so worried about "root cause" in Guatemala...when they
can't get to the root causes in Chicago?
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
**I am discussing the horrendous level of GUN HOMICIDE in the US,
You're not really discussing anything.....
**Wrong. I am comparing the level of gun homicide in Sweden to that in
the US.


just doing your usual rage thing to eventually
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get to some BS about gun control...that isn't going to ever happen.
**Prove it. The NRA is in the toilet, Trump is gone and will be in gaol
soon and, hopefully, the religious right's stangle-hold on the Supreme
Court will be smashed.
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More people are now gun owners than ever before.
**So?
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You shouldn't ever come to America again....you could get shot.
**Sure. I am 20 times more likely to be shot to death in the US, than I
am in Australia. Sobering, huh?

Oops. Update. The figure is now 30 TIMES more likely to be shot to death
in the US. I didn't realise how much safer Australia had become in the
last 15 years.
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compared to the level in Sweden. YOU started the thread about Sweden.
Sweden is trying to catch up....but we got a head start.
**How do you know Sweden is "trying to catch up"?
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Note the header. Please do try to remain on-topic.
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They won't even talk about it. Trump at least started a program to
pursue federal enforcement of gun crimes.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/trumps-mixed-record-on-gun-control/
"In fiscal year 2019, the Department of Justice successfully
prosecuted 10,623 defendants of firearms offenses, according to data
provided by department spokesman Peter Carr. That’s the most since at
least fiscal year 1992, based on a review of the department’s annual
statistical reports since fiscal year 1992. The previous high was 10,466
in fiscal 2006,"

**So? Trump made it easier for bad people to acquire firearms. Dumb
public policy. Civilians should not have guns. It's THAT simple.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
Trump was useless. Worse, he stacked the Supreme Court with gun lovers,
Oh the horror of our constitution. I hope you can't sleep nights.
**There are faults in the US Constitution and BoR. Like the poor wording
of the 2nd.
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Post by Trevor Wilson
religious loons and fuckwits.
Post by ScottW
But anything Trump did...Biden seems compelled to undo.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/a-competition-to-win-the-21st-century-us-senate-passes-anti-china-bill-20210609-p57zdz.html
Post by ScottW
I won't read SuckMyHiney until you'll read my twitter references.
Fair is fair.

**SMH employs world-class journalists and has very high credibility.
Twitter employs anyone who wants to make noise.

You're an idiot for comparing the two.
Post by ScottW
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Nothing to do with Sweden and gun homicide though.
Exactly...stay on topic.
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Post by ScottW
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Your seriously dodgy strawman is duly noted. You built it, you burn it
down.
The US has the most appalling gun related homicide rate of any Western,
developed nation.
The US has, by an astonishing coincidence (well, not really a
coincidence), the weakest, most haphazard gun control laws of any
Western, developed nation.
and since dems have gone on a defund the police and ignore
skyrocketing crime rates
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by ScottW
we actually have elected Sheriffs warning people to get a gun...get
a CC permit...and defend yourself.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Popularly elected sheriffs can be a very bad idea.
Post by ScottW
What do you say to the LA County Sheriff?
**He is an idiot to for placing his own officers and the general public
at greater risk.
It's not his fault. The LA DA won't put anyone in jail.
**Really? I call that a lie.

He see's the world getting more dangerous every day and is warning
people to protect themselves.
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You want to be protected.
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Perhaps you would post a link showing where the LA County Sheriff said
what you claim he said.
Google it yourself....I already have posted it elsewhere.
**I note your inability to provide proof of your claim. Claim rejected.
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Arming the public is really dumb public policy. As is evidenced by the
insanely high rates of gun homicide in the US.
IF the LA County Sheriff and the NRA was right, then the US would be the
safest place on the planet.
It isn't. Guns have no place in the hands of civilians.
You being the civilian you know best, I understand why you feel that way.
**10,000 dead Americans each and every year is proof that the American
experiment that seeks to arm civilians is not working.

10,000 dead. That's 3 X 9/11 events each and every year.

10,000 dead. That's more Americans killed each year than were killed in
Vietnam each year.

It's incredible that you have these religious loons banging on about
safe, legal abortions and those same religious loons say nothing about
10,000 murdered Americans each year. All from a mis-reading of the 2nd
Amendment.

The real question is this:

Why do YOU accept this horrendous situation?
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in gun fatalities.
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**Shocking. Of course, compared to the US, Sweden is an extremely
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peaceful place. The US has approximately 5 times the number
of gun related homicide rate.
Hope you're quoting "per capita" or little Sweden's in deep
deep shit.
Look for the word "rate." It's similar to the word "ratio."
Most often used against a unit of time....as in murders per year.
Well-clarified! What does that have to do with your comment?
"The rate in Sweden ranks very high in relation to other
European
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countries, at approximately four deaths per million
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year."
That seems to have all the elements. Here's one for the US, from
NPR: 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019.
Yes, Trevor's off by an order of magnitude. Good catch!
I'm dealing with math wizards..... Are you still waiting for
Blumenthal to hand out a million $ to every US citizen as CNN
claimed
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he could do for his campaign ad budget too?
What about that? How about the rate of gun deaths?
You both get F on this sixth grade level quiz.
4 per
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million vs US: 4 per 100k.
Too bad your borrowed gotcha deflated in the face of comparison
to the US.
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Tucker had an interesting take tonight....he ran a list of dem
run cities that
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have a higher crime rate than El Salvador or Guatemala.
Camela's going to fix their problems but doesn't do squat for
Americans.
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**I see what you did there.
* You posed a comment about gun HOMICIDE figures in Sweden.
I did.
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* I then pointed out that, although Sweden's figures are high,
they are
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still MUCH, MUCH lower than those gun related homicide figures in
the US.
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Yes...even though you still couldn't get the simple math correct.
**Really? What math did I present?
the math with a wrong answer
**Cite.
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* You then displayed you ignorance of plain English
you did? (snicker)
**Umm, nope. You failed to understand the term: "rate".
It's just no fun poking fun at someone with you ignorance.
**Care to re-phrase that into English?
Still LMFAO....

ScottW
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in gun fatalities.
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**Shocking. Of course, compared to the US, Sweden is an extremely
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peaceful place. The US has approximately 5 times the number
of gun related homicide rate.
Hope you're quoting "per capita" or little Sweden's in deep
deep shit.
Look for the word "rate." It's similar to the word "ratio."
Most often used against a unit of time....as in murders per year.
Well-clarified! What does that have to do with your comment?
"The rate in Sweden ranks very high in relation to other European
countries, at approximately four deaths per million
inhabitants per
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year."
That seems to have all the elements. Here's one for the US, from
NPR: 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019.
Yes, Trevor's off by an order of magnitude. Good catch!
I'm dealing with math wizards..... Are you still waiting for
Blumenthal to hand out a million $ to every US citizen as CNN claimed
he could do for his campaign ad budget too?
What about that? How about the rate of gun deaths?
You both get F on this sixth grade level quiz.
What was the question again? Something about per capita? Sweden: 4 per
million vs US: 4 per 100k.
Too bad your borrowed gotcha deflated in the face of comparison to the US.
Tucker had an interesting take tonight....he ran a list of dem run cities that
have a higher crime rate than El Salvador or Guatemala.
Camela's going to fix their problems but doesn't do squat for Americans.
**I see what you did there.
* You posed a comment about gun HOMICIDE figures in Sweden.
I did.
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* I then pointed out that, although Sweden's figures are high, they are
still MUCH, MUCH lower than those gun related homicide figures in the US.
Yes...even though you still couldn't get the simple math correct.
**Really? What math did I present?
the math with a wrong answer
**Cite.
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* You then displayed you ignorance of plain English
you did? (snicker)
**Umm, nope. You failed to understand the term: "rate".
It's just no fun poking fun at someone with you ignorance.
**Care to re-phrase that into English?
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and babbled on about
irrelevancies.
* NOW, you cite some rubbery data about REPORTED (and that is very
important) crimes. Not specifically gun homicides, but "crime".
It was actually "violent crime"....but no matter.
**It DOES matter. We were discussing GUN HOMICIDE rates. NOT some
rubbery "crime".
I don't know what kind of rubbery crime you're into over there but
we got real issues so....

**"Crime" is a very rubbery catch-all. It is meaningless when comparing
(say) LA to Guatemala. "Crime" reporting is VERY different in those two
places. Even homicides may be differently reported.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
And I stress once more: REPORTED crime figures. Do you
think that "crimes" are reported in Guatemala as often as they are
reported in LA?
Maybe more...since in LA cops won't even take a report now for many crimes
the "reported crime rate" should be in decline.
**Prove that more crimes are reported in Guatemala than in LA.
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You can use murders if you want.
**YOU were the one who introduced GUN HOMICIDES. YOU did so in the first
post in this thread.
I actually said "gun fatalities" which could be a bunch of suicidal
swedes cuz their country
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has gone to shit....
**Sweden "has gone to shit"? Really? In what way/s?
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Why are dems so worried about "root cause" in Guatemala...when they
can't get to the root causes in Chicago?
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**I am discussing the horrendous level of GUN HOMICIDE in the US,
You're not really discussing anything.....
**Wrong. I am comparing the level of gun homicide in Sweden to that in
the US.


just doing your usual rage thing to eventually
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get to some BS about gun control...that isn't going to ever happen.
**Prove it. The NRA is in the toilet, Trump is gone and will be in gaol
soon and, hopefully, the religious right's stangle-hold on the Supreme
Court will be smashed.
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More people are now gun owners than ever before.
**So?
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You shouldn't ever come to America again....you could get shot.
**Sure. I am 20 times more likely to be shot to death in the US, than I
am in Australia. Sobering, huh?

Oops. Update. The figure is now 30 TIMES more likely to be shot to death
in the US. I didn't realise how much safer Australia had become in the
last 15 years.
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compared to the level in Sweden. YOU started the thread about Sweden.
Sweden is trying to catch up....but we got a head start.
**How do you know Sweden is "trying to catch up"?
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Note the header. Please do try to remain on-topic.
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They won't even talk about it. Trump at least started a program to
pursue federal enforcement of gun crimes.
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https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/trumps-mixed-record-on-gun-control/
"In fiscal year 2019, the Department of Justice successfully
prosecuted 10,623 defendants of firearms offenses, according to data
provided by department spokesman Peter Carr. That’s the most since at
least fiscal year 1992, based on a review of the department’s annual
statistical reports since fiscal year 1992. The previous high was 10,466
in fiscal 2006,"

**So? Trump made it easier for bad people to acquire firearms. Dumb
public policy. Civilians should not have guns. It's THAT simple.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
Trump was useless. Worse, he stacked the Supreme Court with gun lovers,
Oh the horror of our constitution. I hope you can't sleep nights.
**There are faults in the US Constitution and BoR. Like the poor wording
of the 2nd.
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Post by Trevor Wilson
religious loons and fuckwits.
Post by ScottW
But anything Trump did...Biden seems compelled to undo.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/a-competition-to-win-the-21st-century-us-senate-passes-anti-china-bill-20210609-p57zdz.html
Post by ScottW
I won't read SuckMyHiney until you'll read my twitter references.
Fair is fair.

**SMH employs world-class journalists and has very high credibility.
Twitter employs anyone who wants to make noise.

You're an idiot for comparing the two.
Post by ScottW
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Nothing to do with Sweden and gun homicide though.
Exactly...stay on topic.
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Your seriously dodgy strawman is duly noted. You built it, you burn it
down.
The US has the most appalling gun related homicide rate of any Western,
developed nation.
The US has, by an astonishing coincidence (well, not really a
coincidence), the weakest, most haphazard gun control laws of any
Western, developed nation.
and since dems have gone on a defund the police and ignore
skyrocketing crime rates
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by ScottW
we actually have elected Sheriffs warning people to get a gun...get
a CC permit...and defend yourself.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Popularly elected sheriffs can be a very bad idea.
Post by ScottW
What do you say to the LA County Sheriff?
**He is an idiot to for placing his own officers and the general public
at greater risk.
It's not his fault. The LA DA won't put anyone in jail.
**Really? I call that a lie.

He see's the world getting more dangerous every day and is warning
people to protect themselves.
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You want to be protected.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Perhaps you would post a link showing where the LA County Sheriff said
what you claim he said.
Google it yourself....I already have posted it elsewhere.
**I note your inability to provide proof of your claim. Claim rejected.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
Arming the public is really dumb public policy. As is evidenced by the
insanely high rates of gun homicide in the US.
IF the LA County Sheriff and the NRA was right, then the US would be the
safest place on the planet.
It isn't. Guns have no place in the hands of civilians.
You being the civilian you know best, I understand why you feel that way.
**10,000 dead Americans each and every year is proof that the American
experiment that seeks to arm civilians is not working.

10,000 dead. That's 3 X 9/11 events each and every year.

10,000 dead. That's more Americans killed each year than were killed in
Vietnam each year.

It's incredible that you have these religious loons banging on about
safe, legal abortions and those same religious loons say nothing about
10,000 murdered Americans each year. All from a mis-reading of the 2nd
Amendment.

The real question is this:

Why do YOU accept this horrendous situation?
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* You then displayed you ignorance of plain English
you did? (snicker)
**Umm, nope. You failed to understand the term: "rate".
It's just no fun poking fun at someone with you ignorance.
**Care to re-phrase that into English?
It's better every time...

ScottW
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in gun fatalities.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/27/report-sweden-top-in-europe-for-deadly-gun-violence/
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**Shocking. Of course, compared to the US, Sweden is an extremely
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peaceful place. The US has approximately 5 times the number
of gun related homicide rate.
Hope you're quoting "per capita" or little Sweden's in deep
deep shit.
Look for the word "rate." It's similar to the word "ratio."
Most often used against a unit of time....as in murders per year.
Well-clarified! What does that have to do with your comment?
"The rate in Sweden ranks very high in relation to other European
countries, at approximately four deaths per million
inhabitants per
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year."
That seems to have all the elements. Here's one for the US, from
NPR: 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019.
Yes, Trevor's off by an order of magnitude. Good catch!
I'm dealing with math wizards..... Are you still waiting for
Blumenthal to hand out a million $ to every US citizen as CNN claimed
he could do for his campaign ad budget too?
What about that? How about the rate of gun deaths?
You both get F on this sixth grade level quiz.
What was the question again? Something about per capita? Sweden: 4 per
million vs US: 4 per 100k.
Too bad your borrowed gotcha deflated in the face of comparison to the US.
Tucker had an interesting take tonight....he ran a list of dem run cities that
have a higher crime rate than El Salvador or Guatemala.
Camela's going to fix their problems but doesn't do squat for Americans.
**I see what you did there.
* You posed a comment about gun HOMICIDE figures in Sweden.
I did.
Post by Trevor Wilson
* I then pointed out that, although Sweden's figures are high, they are
still MUCH, MUCH lower than those gun related homicide figures in the US.
Yes...even though you still couldn't get the simple math correct.
**Really? What math did I present?
the math with a wrong answer
**Cite.
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Post by Trevor Wilson
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* You then displayed you ignorance of plain English
you did? (snicker)
**Umm, nope. You failed to understand the term: "rate".
It's just no fun poking fun at someone with you ignorance.
**Care to re-phrase that into English?
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and babbled on about
irrelevancies.
* NOW, you cite some rubbery data about REPORTED (and that is very
important) crimes. Not specifically gun homicides, but "crime".
It was actually "violent crime"....but no matter.
**It DOES matter. We were discussing GUN HOMICIDE rates. NOT some
rubbery "crime".
I don't know what kind of rubbery crime you're into over there but
we got real issues so....

**"Crime" is a very rubbery catch-all. It is meaningless when comparing
(say) LA to Guatemala. "Crime" reporting is VERY different in those two
places. Even homicides may be differently reported.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
And I stress once more: REPORTED crime figures. Do you
think that "crimes" are reported in Guatemala as often as they are
reported in LA?
Maybe more...since in LA cops won't even take a report now for many crimes
the "reported crime rate" should be in decline.
**Prove that more crimes are reported in Guatemala than in LA.
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Post by Trevor Wilson
You can use murders if you want.
**YOU were the one who introduced GUN HOMICIDES. YOU did so in the first
post in this thread.
I actually said "gun fatalities" which could be a bunch of suicidal
swedes cuz their country
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has gone to shit....
**Sweden "has gone to shit"? Really? In what way/s?
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Why are dems so worried about "root cause" in Guatemala...when they
can't get to the root causes in Chicago?
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**I am discussing the horrendous level of GUN HOMICIDE in the US,
You're not really discussing anything.....
**Wrong. I am comparing the level of gun homicide in Sweden to that in
the US.


just doing your usual rage thing to eventually
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get to some BS about gun control...that isn't going to ever happen.
**Prove it. The NRA is in the toilet, Trump is gone and will be in gaol
soon and, hopefully, the religious right's stangle-hold on the Supreme
Court will be smashed.
Post by ScottW
More people are now gun owners than ever before.
**So?
Post by ScottW
You shouldn't ever come to America again....you could get shot.
**Sure. I am 20 times more likely to be shot to death in the US, than I
am in Australia. Sobering, huh?

Oops. Update. The figure is now 30 TIMES more likely to be shot to death
in the US. I didn't realise how much safer Australia had become in the
last 15 years.
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compared to the level in Sweden. YOU started the thread about Sweden.
Sweden is trying to catch up....but we got a head start.
**How do you know Sweden is "trying to catch up"?
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Note the header. Please do try to remain on-topic.
Post by ScottW
They won't even talk about it. Trump at least started a program to
pursue federal enforcement of gun crimes.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/trumps-mixed-record-on-gun-control/
"In fiscal year 2019, the Department of Justice successfully
prosecuted 10,623 defendants of firearms offenses, according to data
provided by department spokesman Peter Carr. That’s the most since at
least fiscal year 1992, based on a review of the department’s annual
statistical reports since fiscal year 1992. The previous high was 10,466
in fiscal 2006,"

**So? Trump made it easier for bad people to acquire firearms. Dumb
public policy. Civilians should not have guns. It's THAT simple.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
Trump was useless. Worse, he stacked the Supreme Court with gun lovers,
Oh the horror of our constitution. I hope you can't sleep nights.
**There are faults in the US Constitution and BoR. Like the poor wording
of the 2nd.
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Post by Trevor Wilson
religious loons and fuckwits.
Post by ScottW
But anything Trump did...Biden seems compelled to undo.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/a-competition-to-win-the-21st-century-us-senate-passes-anti-china-bill-20210609-p57zdz.html
Post by ScottW
I won't read SuckMyHiney until you'll read my twitter references.
Fair is fair.

**SMH employs world-class journalists and has very high credibility.
Twitter employs anyone who wants to make noise.

You're an idiot for comparing the two.
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Nothing to do with Sweden and gun homicide though.
Exactly...stay on topic.
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Your seriously dodgy strawman is duly noted. You built it, you burn it
down.
The US has the most appalling gun related homicide rate of any Western,
developed nation.
The US has, by an astonishing coincidence (well, not really a
coincidence), the weakest, most haphazard gun control laws of any
Western, developed nation.
and since dems have gone on a defund the police and ignore
skyrocketing crime rates
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by ScottW
we actually have elected Sheriffs warning people to get a gun...get
a CC permit...and defend yourself.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Popularly elected sheriffs can be a very bad idea.
Post by ScottW
What do you say to the LA County Sheriff?
**He is an idiot to for placing his own officers and the general public
at greater risk.
It's not his fault. The LA DA won't put anyone in jail.
**Really? I call that a lie.

He see's the world getting more dangerous every day and is warning
people to protect themselves.
Post by ScottW
You want to be protected.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Perhaps you would post a link showing where the LA County Sheriff said
what you claim he said.
Google it yourself....I already have posted it elsewhere.
**I note your inability to provide proof of your claim. Claim rejected.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
Arming the public is really dumb public policy. As is evidenced by the
insanely high rates of gun homicide in the US.
IF the LA County Sheriff and the NRA was right, then the US would be the
safest place on the planet.
It isn't. Guns have no place in the hands of civilians.
You being the civilian you know best, I understand why you feel that way.
**10,000 dead Americans each and every year is proof that the American
experiment that seeks to arm civilians is not working.

10,000 dead. That's 3 X 9/11 events each and every year.

10,000 dead. That's more Americans killed each year than were killed in
Vietnam each year.

It's incredible that you have these religious loons banging on about
safe, legal abortions and those same religious loons say nothing about
10,000 murdered Americans each year. All from a mis-reading of the 2nd
Amendment.

The real question is this:

Why do YOU accept this horrendous situation?
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2021-06-21 20:42:17 UTC
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in gun fatalities.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/27/report-sweden-top-in-europe-for-deadly-gun-violence/
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**Shocking. Of course, compared to the US, Sweden is an extremely
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peaceful place. The US has approximately 5 times the number
of gun related homicide rate.
Hope you're quoting "per capita" or little Sweden's in deep
deep shit.
Look for the word "rate." It's similar to the word "ratio."
Most often used against a unit of time....as in murders per year.
Well-clarified! What does that have to do with your comment?
"The rate in Sweden ranks very high in relation to other European
countries, at approximately four deaths per million
inhabitants per
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
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year."
That seems to have all the elements. Here's one for the US, from
NPR: 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019.
Yes, Trevor's off by an order of magnitude. Good catch!
I'm dealing with math wizards..... Are you still waiting for
Blumenthal to hand out a million $ to every US citizen as CNN claimed
he could do for his campaign ad budget too?
What about that? How about the rate of gun deaths?
You both get F on this sixth grade level quiz.
What was the question again? Something about per capita? Sweden: 4 per
million vs US: 4 per 100k.
Too bad your borrowed gotcha deflated in the face of comparison to the US.
Tucker had an interesting take tonight....he ran a list of dem run cities that
have a higher crime rate than El Salvador or Guatemala.
Camela's going to fix their problems but doesn't do squat for Americans.
**I see what you did there.
* You posed a comment about gun HOMICIDE figures in Sweden.
I did.
Post by Trevor Wilson
* I then pointed out that, although Sweden's figures are high, they are
still MUCH, MUCH lower than those gun related homicide figures in the US.
Yes...even though you still couldn't get the simple math correct.
**Really? What math did I present?
the math with a wrong answer
**Cite.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
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* You then displayed you ignorance of plain English
you did? (snicker)
**Umm, nope. You failed to understand the term: "rate".
It's just no fun poking fun at someone with you ignorance.
**Care to re-phrase that into English?
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
and babbled on about
irrelevancies.
* NOW, you cite some rubbery data about REPORTED (and that is very
important) crimes. Not specifically gun homicides, but "crime".
It was actually "violent crime"....but no matter.
**It DOES matter. We were discussing GUN HOMICIDE rates. NOT some
rubbery "crime".
I don't know what kind of rubbery crime you're into over there but
we got real issues so....

**"Crime" is a very rubbery catch-all. It is meaningless when comparing
(say) LA to Guatemala. "Crime" reporting is VERY different in those two
places. Even homicides may be differently reported.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
And I stress once more: REPORTED crime figures. Do you
think that "crimes" are reported in Guatemala as often as they are
reported in LA?
Maybe more...since in LA cops won't even take a report now for many crimes
the "reported crime rate" should be in decline.
**Prove that more crimes are reported in Guatemala than in LA.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
You can use murders if you want.
**YOU were the one who introduced GUN HOMICIDES. YOU did so in the first
post in this thread.
I actually said "gun fatalities" which could be a bunch of suicidal
swedes cuz their country
Post by ScottW
has gone to shit....
**Sweden "has gone to shit"? Really? In what way/s?
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by ScottW
Why are dems so worried about "root cause" in Guatemala...when they
can't get to the root causes in Chicago?
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
**I am discussing the horrendous level of GUN HOMICIDE in the US,
You're not really discussing anything.....
**Wrong. I am comparing the level of gun homicide in Sweden to that in
the US.


just doing your usual rage thing to eventually
Post by ScottW
get to some BS about gun control...that isn't going to ever happen.
**Prove it. The NRA is in the toilet, Trump is gone and will be in gaol
soon and, hopefully, the religious right's stangle-hold on the Supreme
Court will be smashed.
Post by ScottW
More people are now gun owners than ever before.
**So?
Post by ScottW
You shouldn't ever come to America again....you could get shot.
**Sure. I am 20 times more likely to be shot to death in the US, than I
am in Australia. Sobering, huh?

Oops. Update. The figure is now 30 TIMES more likely to be shot to death
in the US. I didn't realise how much safer Australia had become in the
last 15 years.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
compared to the level in Sweden. YOU started the thread about Sweden.
Sweden is trying to catch up....but we got a head start.
**How do you know Sweden is "trying to catch up"?
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
Note the header. Please do try to remain on-topic.
Post by ScottW
They won't even talk about it. Trump at least started a program to
pursue federal enforcement of gun crimes.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/trumps-mixed-record-on-gun-control/
"In fiscal year 2019, the Department of Justice successfully
prosecuted 10,623 defendants of firearms offenses, according to data
provided by department spokesman Peter Carr. That’s the most since at
least fiscal year 1992, based on a review of the department’s annual
statistical reports since fiscal year 1992. The previous high was 10,466
in fiscal 2006,"

**So? Trump made it easier for bad people to acquire firearms. Dumb
public policy. Civilians should not have guns. It's THAT simple.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
Trump was useless. Worse, he stacked the Supreme Court with gun lovers,
Oh the horror of our constitution. I hope you can't sleep nights.
**There are faults in the US Constitution and BoR. Like the poor wording
of the 2nd.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
religious loons and fuckwits.
Post by ScottW
But anything Trump did...Biden seems compelled to undo.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/a-competition-to-win-the-21st-century-us-senate-passes-anti-china-bill-20210609-p57zdz.html
Post by ScottW
I won't read SuckMyHiney until you'll read my twitter references.
Fair is fair.

**SMH employs world-class journalists and has very high credibility.
Twitter employs anyone who wants to make noise.

You're an idiot for comparing the two.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
Nothing to do with Sweden and gun homicide though.
Exactly...stay on topic.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
Your seriously dodgy strawman is duly noted. You built it, you burn it
down.
The US has the most appalling gun related homicide rate of any Western,
developed nation.
The US has, by an astonishing coincidence (well, not really a
coincidence), the weakest, most haphazard gun control laws of any
Western, developed nation.
and since dems have gone on a defund the police and ignore
skyrocketing crime rates
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by ScottW
we actually have elected Sheriffs warning people to get a gun...get
a CC permit...and defend yourself.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Popularly elected sheriffs can be a very bad idea.
Post by ScottW
What do you say to the LA County Sheriff?
**He is an idiot to for placing his own officers and the general public
at greater risk.
It's not his fault. The LA DA won't put anyone in jail.
**Really? I call that a lie.

He see's the world getting more dangerous every day and is warning
people to protect themselves.
Post by ScottW
You want to be protected.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Perhaps you would post a link showing where the LA County Sheriff said
what you claim he said.
Google it yourself....I already have posted it elsewhere.
**I note your inability to provide proof of your claim. Claim rejected.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
Arming the public is really dumb public policy. As is evidenced by the
insanely high rates of gun homicide in the US.
IF the LA County Sheriff and the NRA was right, then the US would be the
safest place on the planet.
It isn't. Guns have no place in the hands of civilians.
You being the civilian you know best, I understand why you feel that way.
**10,000 dead Americans each and every year is proof that the American
experiment that seeks to arm civilians is not working.

10,000 dead. That's 3 X 9/11 events each and every year.

10,000 dead. That's more Americans killed each year than were killed in
Vietnam each year.

It's incredible that you have these religious loons banging on about
safe, legal abortions and those same religious loons say nothing about
10,000 murdered Americans each year. All from a mis-reading of the 2nd
Amendment.

The real question is this:

Why do YOU accept this horrendous situation?
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Tucker had an interesting take tonight....he ran a list of dem run
cities that have a higher crime rate than El Salvador or Guatemala.
Camela's going to fix their problems but doesn't do squat for
Americans.
No chance of cherry-picking there! State Dept (OSAC) says Guatemala has
an annual homicide rate of 22 per 100,000 as of 2018, compared to the
recent cite of approximately 4 gun deaths per 100,000 in the US as a
whole. It also compares to the annual homicide rate in Memphis which is
just under 30 per 100,000 but cities-to-countries comparisons have a
category problem. Guatemala City's rate is 42.5 homicide/100,000.

And if you fix their problems there, they don't come here. Isn't that
what you immigration haters want?
ScottW
2021-06-10 16:48:27 UTC
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Post by ScottW
Tucker had an interesting take tonight....he ran a list of dem run
cities that have a higher crime rate than El Salvador or Guatemala.
Camela's going to fix their problems but doesn't do squat for Americans.
No chance of cherry-picking there! State Dept (OSAC) says Guatemala has
an annual homicide rate of 22 per 100,000 as of 2018, compared to the
recent cite of approximately 4 gun deaths per 100,000 in the US as a
whole. It also compares to the annual homicide rate in Memphis which is
just under 30 per 100,000 but cities-to-countries comparisons have a
category problem. Guatemala City's rate is 42.5 homicide/100,000.
And if you fix their problems there, they don't come here. Isn't that
what you immigration haters want?
ScottW
2021-06-10 16:53:09 UTC
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Post by ScottW
Tucker had an interesting take tonight....he ran a list of dem run
cities that have a higher crime rate than El Salvador or Guatemala.
Camela's going to fix their problems but doesn't do squat for Americans.
No chance of cherry-picking there! State Dept (OSAC) says Guatemala has
an annual homicide rate of 22 per 100,000 as of 2018, compared to the
recent cite of approximately 4 gun deaths per 100,000 in the US as a
whole. It also compares to the annual homicide rate in Memphis which is
just under 30 per 100,000 but cities-to-countries comparisons have a
category problem. Guatemala City's rate is 42.5 homicide/100,000.
St. Louis is 87/100k
Post by MiNe109
And if you fix their problems there, they don't come here. Isn't that
what you immigration haters want?
Is that your science? People who oppose open borders and illegal immigration are "haters"?
Are Mexican's haters? Canadians? English? Japanese?

You're far higher on the list of loathing....just by the quality of your character.

ScottW
MiNe109
2021-06-10 17:53:25 UTC
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Post by ScottW
Tucker had an interesting take tonight....he ran a list of dem run
cities that have a higher crime rate than El Salvador or Guatemala.
Camela's going to fix their problems but doesn't do squat for Americans.
No chance of cherry-picking there! State Dept (OSAC) says Guatemala has
an annual homicide rate of 22 per 100,000 as of 2018, compared to the
recent cite of approximately 4 gun deaths per 100,000 in the US as a
whole. It also compares to the annual homicide rate in Memphis which is
just under 30 per 100,000 but cities-to-countries comparisons have a
category problem. Guatemala City's rate is 42.5 homicide/100,000.
St. Louis is 87/100k
About twice. That's the worst big city in the US, of course.
Post by ScottW
Post by MiNe109
And if you fix their problems there, they don't come here. Isn't that
what you immigration haters want?
Is that your science? People who oppose open borders and illegal immigration are "haters"?
Are Mexican's haters? Canadians? English? Japanese?
Isn't your goal reducing illegal immigration? The magic threshold
according to some is $12k/year to keep people home.
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2021-06-08 21:22:47 UTC
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in gun fatalities.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/27/report-sweden-top-in-europe-for-deadly-gun-violence/
**Shocking. Of course, compared to the US, Sweden is an extremely
peaceful place. The US has approximately 5 times the number of gun
related homicide rate.
Hope you're quoting "per capita" or little Sweden's in deep deep shit.
ScottW
**Is English your first language?
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On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 10:20:52 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson
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in gun fatalities.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/27/report-sweden-top-in-europe-for-deadly-gun-violence/
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**Shocking. Of course, compared to the US, Sweden is an extremely
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peaceful place. The US has approximately 5 times the number
of gun related homicide rate.
Hope you're quoting "per capita" or little Sweden's in deep
deep shit.
Look for the word "rate." It's similar to the word "ratio."
Most often used against a unit of time....as in murders per
year.
Well-clarified! What does that have to do with your comment?
"The rate in Sweden ranks very high in relation to other
European
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countries, at approximately four deaths per million
inhabitants per
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year."
That seems to have all the elements. Here's one for the US, from
NPR: 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019.
Yes, Trevor's off by an order of magnitude. Good catch!
I'm dealing with math wizards..... Are you still waiting for
Blumenthal to hand out a million $ to every US citizen as CNN
claimed
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Post by Trevor Wilson
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he could do for his campaign ad budget too?
What about that? How about the rate of gun deaths?
You both get F on this sixth grade level quiz.
4 per
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million vs US: 4 per 100k.
Too bad your borrowed gotcha deflated in the face of comparison
to the US.
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Tucker had an interesting take tonight....he ran a list of dem
run cities that
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have a higher crime rate than El Salvador or Guatemala.
Camela's going to fix their problems but doesn't do squat for
Americans.
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**I see what you did there.
* You posed a comment about gun HOMICIDE figures in Sweden.
I did.
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* I then pointed out that, although Sweden's figures are high,
they are
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still MUCH, MUCH lower than those gun related homicide figures in
the US.
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Yes...even though you still couldn't get the simple math correct.
**Really? What math did I present?
the math with a wrong answer
**Cite.
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* You then displayed you ignorance of plain English
you did? (snicker)
**Umm, nope. You failed to understand the term: "rate".
It's just no fun poking fun at someone with you ignorance.
**Care to re-phrase that into English?
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and babbled on about
irrelevancies.
* NOW, you cite some rubbery data about REPORTED (and that is very
important) crimes. Not specifically gun homicides, but "crime".
It was actually "violent crime"....but no matter.
**It DOES matter. We were discussing GUN HOMICIDE rates. NOT some
rubbery "crime".
I don't know what kind of rubbery crime you're into over there but
we got real issues so....

**"Crime" is a very rubbery catch-all. It is meaningless when comparing
(say) LA to Guatemala. "Crime" reporting is VERY different in those two
places. Even homicides may be differently reported.
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And I stress once more: REPORTED crime figures. Do you
think that "crimes" are reported in Guatemala as often as they are
reported in LA?
Maybe more...since in LA cops won't even take a report now for
many crimes
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the "reported crime rate" should be in decline.
**Prove that more crimes are reported in Guatemala than in LA.
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You can use murders if you want.
**YOU were the one who introduced GUN HOMICIDES. YOU did so in the first
post in this thread.
I actually said "gun fatalities" which could be a bunch of suicidal
swedes cuz their country
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has gone to shit....
**Sweden "has gone to shit"? Really? In what way/s?
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Why are dems so worried about "root cause" in Guatemala...when they
can't get to the root causes in Chicago?
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**I am discussing the horrendous level of GUN HOMICIDE in the US,
You're not really discussing anything.....
**Wrong. I am comparing the level of gun homicide in Sweden to that in
the US.


just doing your usual rage thing to eventually
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get to some BS about gun control...that isn't going to ever happen.
**Prove it. The NRA is in the toilet, Trump is gone and will be in gaol
soon and, hopefully, the religious right's stangle-hold on the Supreme
Court will be smashed.
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More people are now gun owners than ever before.
**So?
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You shouldn't ever come to America again....you could get shot.
**Sure. I am 20 times more likely to be shot to death in the US, than I
am in Australia. Sobering, huh?

Oops. Update. The figure is now 30 TIMES more likely to be shot to death
in the US. I didn't realise how much safer Australia had become in the
last 15 years.
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compared to the level in Sweden. YOU started the thread about Sweden.
Sweden is trying to catch up....but we got a head start.
**How do you know Sweden is "trying to catch up"?
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Note the header. Please do try to remain on-topic.
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They won't even talk about it. Trump at least started a program to
pursue federal enforcement of gun crimes.
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https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/trumps-mixed-record-on-gun-control/
"In fiscal year 2019, the Department of Justice successfully
prosecuted 10,623 defendants of firearms offenses, according to data
provided by department spokesman Peter Carr. That’s the most since at
least fiscal year 1992, based on a review of the department’s annual
statistical reports since fiscal year 1992. The previous high was 10,466
in fiscal 2006,"

**So? Trump made it easier for bad people to acquire firearms. Dumb
public policy. Civilians should not have guns. It's THAT simple.
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Trump was useless. Worse, he stacked the Supreme Court with gun lovers,
Oh the horror of our constitution. I hope you can't sleep nights.
**There are faults in the US Constitution and BoR. Like the poor wording
of the 2nd.
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religious loons and fuckwits.
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But anything Trump did...Biden seems compelled to undo.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/a-competition-to-win-the-21st-century-us-senate-passes-anti-china-bill-20210609-p57zdz.html
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I won't read SuckMyHiney until you'll read my twitter references.
Fair is fair.

**SMH employs world-class journalists and has very high credibility.
Twitter employs anyone who wants to make noise.

You're an idiot for comparing the two.
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Nothing to do with Sweden and gun homicide though.
Exactly...stay on topic.
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Your seriously dodgy strawman is duly noted. You built it, you burn it
down.
The US has the most appalling gun related homicide rate of any
Western,
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developed nation.
The US has, by an astonishing coincidence (well, not really a
coincidence), the weakest, most haphazard gun control laws of any
Western, developed nation.
and since dems have gone on a defund the police and ignore
skyrocketing crime rates
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we actually have elected Sheriffs warning people to get a gun...get
a CC permit...and defend yourself.
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**Popularly elected sheriffs can be a very bad idea.
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What do you say to the LA County Sheriff?
**He is an idiot to for placing his own officers and the general public
at greater risk.
It's not his fault. The LA DA won't put anyone in jail.
**Really? I call that a lie.

He see's the world getting more dangerous every day and is warning
people to protect themselves.
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You want to be protected.
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Perhaps you would post a link showing where the LA County Sheriff said
what you claim he said.
Google it yourself....I already have posted it elsewhere.
**I note your inability to provide proof of your claim. Claim rejected.
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Arming the public is really dumb public policy. As is evidenced by the
insanely high rates of gun homicide in the US.
IF the LA County Sheriff and the NRA was right, then the US would be the
safest place on the planet.
It isn't. Guns have no place in the hands of civilians.
You being the civilian you know best, I understand why you feel
that way.

**10,000 dead Americans each and every year is proof that the American
experiment that seeks to arm civilians is not working.

10,000 dead. That's 3 X 9/11 events each and every year.

10,000 dead. That's more Americans killed each year than were killed in
Vietnam each year.

It's incredible that you have these religious loons banging on about
safe, legal abortions and those same religious loons say nothing about
10,000 murdered Americans each year. All from a mis-reading of the 2nd
Amendment.

The real question is this:

Why do YOU accept this horrendous situation?
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