Discussion:
Farage: “This deal is not Brexit.”
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Stephen Cole
2019-11-01 11:58:44 UTC
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I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!

Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.

Labour landslide forthcoming.
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abelard
2019-11-01 12:43:56 UTC
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On 1 Nov 2019 11:58:44 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
1)please define 'crashing'
2)why do you believe disentangling britain from the protectionist
racket of the eussr is limited to a particular date
rather than an ongoing process of negotiation?
3)why do you believe farage in a disinterested party?

4)why do you suppose anyone will believe you, agent cob, or
swine's son are disinterest parties?
https://nyebevannews.co.uk/swinson-fails-to-declare-family-company-was-given-3-5m-euro-by-the-european-union/
"Swinson fails to declare family company was given 3.5m euro by the
European Union"
Post by Stephen Cole
Labour landslide forthcoming.
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Pancho
2019-11-01 13:01:29 UTC
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Post by abelard
https://nyebevannews.co.uk/swinson-fails-to-declare-family-company-was-given-3-5m-euro-by-the-european-union/
"Swinson fails to declare family company was given 3.5m euro by the
European Union"
Post by Stephen Cole
Labour landslide forthcoming.
<https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/declaration_of_interest_by_jo_sw#incoming-1460928>

Whilst it may well be a genuine conflict of interest, it doesn't appear
to be against the rules.
Keema's Nan
2019-11-01 13:07:26 UTC
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Post by abelard
On 1 Nov 2019 11:58:44 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
1)please define 'crashing'
It is the word the Guardian uses when it wishes to describe a no deal Brexit.
Post by abelard
2)why do you believe disentangling britain from the protectionist
racket of the eussr is limited to a particular date
rather than an ongoing process of negotiation?
3)why do you believe farage in a disinterested party?
4)why do you suppose anyone will believe you, agent cob, or
swine's son are disinterest parties?
https://nyebevannews.co.uk/swinson-fails-to-declare-family-company-was-given-3
-5m-euro-by-the-european-union/
"Swinson fails to declare family company was given 3.5m euro by the
European Union"
Post by Stephen Cole
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Grik-basstardo®™
2019-11-01 13:15:05 UTC
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On 1 Nov 2019 11:58:44 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
LOLOK!

Labour are doomed as long as they are led by the grubby unshaven oik
Corbyn. His unconvincing attempts at a passionate frenzy remind me of
Peter Mandelsohn's "I am not a quitter".
Peeler
2019-11-01 13:27:10 UTC
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On Fri, 01 Nov 2019 06:15:05 -0700, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "jGrik-basstardo®™", farted
Post by Grik-basstardo®™
LOLOK!
"LOLOK"??? Is that the sound you make when you choke on dick, cocksucking
Razovic? Whose cock is it this time? <BG>
Post by Grik-basstardo®™
Labour are doomed as long as they are led by the grubby unshaven oik
Stop projecting your OWN oikness onto those that you feel stand way above
you, serb peasant!
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Peeler
2019-11-01 13:30:02 UTC
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On Fri, 01 Nov 2019 14:18:24 +0100, abeltard, the notorious, troll-feeding,
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
perhaps they'll be buried in their landslide all tumbled in a heap
You answered the wrong post, you idjit! Gosh, just how dumb are all you
troll-feeding senile idiots on these groups?
Tufnell Park
2019-11-01 13:30:01 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Much as it pains me to say it, you are probably right about that. GULP!

Even the 'dogs in the street' can see that.

The arrogance and stupidity of politicians is astonishing.
Dave Plowman (News)
2019-11-01 13:43:15 UTC
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Post by Tufnell Park
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour
of crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won‘t do that, so
they are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Much as it pains me to say it, you are probably right about that. GULP!
Even the 'dogs in the street' can see that.
The arrogance and stupidity of politicians is astonishing.
My guess is we'll end up with yet another hung parliament. In practice, no
different from the current one.

Votes for Farage will simply cloud the issue as he's very unlikely to win
any seats at all. And certainly nowhere near a majority.

I'd like to see Farage win a seat, though. The clash between his enormous
ego and that of Boris should be fun.
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Incubus
2019-11-01 14:38:49 UTC
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Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Tufnell Park
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour
of crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won‘t do that, so
they are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Much as it pains me to say it, you are probably right about that. GULP!
Even the 'dogs in the street' can see that.
The arrogance and stupidity of politicians is astonishing.
My guess is we'll end up with yet another hung parliament. In practice, no
different from the current one.
I'm not so certain. There appears to be a split in The Brexit Party itself
over this issue. Leavers have a viable option in the Conservative Party and
Remainers who respect the result and just want to get things done have this
option likewise. There is also the issue of votes being split between Labour
and Lib Dems. Some people just want to see the issue resolved one way or
another and don't want any further frustration.

Although polls aren't to be taken at face value, they show a significant lead
for Boris at present. Nigel is threatening to tell everyone that Boris' deal
is not really leaving the EU but I don't see him gaining much support. Even
his supporters are questioning what he is playing at.

To the best of my knowledge, it hasn't been since the 1930s that a newly minted
party has been accused of succeeding only in splitting the vote in a number of
constituencies and allowing a rival party to form a government (The New Party).
The Brexit Party claims to have the machinery to fight a General Election but
they're no longer the party of leaving the EU; they are the party of leaving
the EU in a very specific manner.
Vidcapper
2019-11-01 15:23:11 UTC
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Post by Incubus
To the best of my knowledge, it hasn't been since the 1930s that a newly minted
party has been accused of succeeding only in splitting the vote in a number of
constituencies and allowing a rival party to form a government (The New Party).
The Brexit Party claims to have the machinery to fight a General Election but
they're no longer the party of leaving the EU; they are the party of
leaving
Post by Incubus
the EU in a very specific manner.
Or in other words 'No Deal'
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The Todal
2019-11-01 19:34:44 UTC
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Post by Incubus
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Tufnell Park
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour
of crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won‘t do that, so
they are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Much as it pains me to say it, you are probably right about that. GULP!
Even the 'dogs in the street' can see that.
The arrogance and stupidity of politicians is astonishing.
My guess is we'll end up with yet another hung parliament. In practice, no
different from the current one.
I'm not so certain. There appears to be a split in The Brexit Party itself
over this issue. Leavers have a viable option in the Conservative Party and
Remainers who respect the result and just want to get things done have this
option likewise. There is also the issue of votes being split between Labour
and Lib Dems. Some people just want to see the issue resolved one way or
another and don't want any further frustration.
Although polls aren't to be taken at face value, they show a significant lead
for Boris at present. Nigel is threatening to tell everyone that Boris' deal
is not really leaving the EU but I don't see him gaining much support. Even
his supporters are questioning what he is playing at.
To the best of my knowledge, it hasn't been since the 1930s that a newly minted
party has been accused of succeeding only in splitting the vote in a number of
constituencies and allowing a rival party to form a government (The New Party).
The Brexit Party claims to have the machinery to fight a General Election but
they're no longer the party of leaving the EU; they are the party of leaving
the EU in a very specific manner.
Farage has presented the Tories with an impossible choice. They cannot
of course discard the flawed deal that Boris has devised (no doubt
merely putting his name to the hard work of others) because his deal is
all he has to show for his time as PM. He lost just about every vote, he
made extravagant promises about when we would leave, but at least he
came up with a deal that, for many people, is only slightly worse than
Theresa's deal.

So Farage, a propagandist in the mould of Goebbels, will preach that
Boris is a failure and a traitor and that his deal is rubbish. And
Labour will benefit enormously. Probably gaining a few seats overall in
what will again be a hung parliament.
Rod Speed
2019-11-02 02:40:22 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Post by Incubus
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Tufnell Park
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour
of crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won‘t do that, so
they are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Much as it pains me to say it, you are probably right about that. GULP!
Even the 'dogs in the street' can see that.
The arrogance and stupidity of politicians is astonishing.
My guess is we'll end up with yet another hung parliament. In practice, no
different from the current one.
I'm not so certain. There appears to be a split in The Brexit Party itself
over this issue. Leavers have a viable option in the Conservative Party and
Remainers who respect the result and just want to get things done have this
option likewise. There is also the issue of votes being split between Labour
and Lib Dems. Some people just want to see the issue resolved one way or
another and don't want any further frustration.
Although polls aren't to be taken at face value, they show a significant lead
for Boris at present. Nigel is threatening to tell everyone that Boris' deal
is not really leaving the EU but I don't see him gaining much support.
Even
his supporters are questioning what he is playing at.
To the best of my knowledge, it hasn't been since the 1930s that a newly minted
party has been accused of succeeding only in splitting the vote in a number of
constituencies and allowing a rival party to form a government (The New Party).
The Brexit Party claims to have the machinery to fight a General Election but
they're no longer the party of leaving the EU; they are the party of leaving
the EU in a very specific manner.
Farage has presented the Tories with an impossible choice.
Yep, but he has no choice on that, it’s the only thing he can
do now to make himself less than completely irrelevant.
Post by The Todal
They cannot of course discard the flawed deal that Boris has devised
Yep.
Post by The Todal
(no doubt merely putting his name to the hard work of others)
It wasn’t any others that got Barnier to dump the backstop.
Post by The Todal
because his deal is all he has to show for his time as PM.
Yep.
Post by The Todal
He lost just about every vote,
The only votes were on brexit stuff and he didn’t
lose his demand for a general election. It remains
to be seen how that works out for him. Quite a
gamble imo but he has always been a gambler.
Post by The Todal
he made extravagant promises about when we would leave,
He was never in any position to promise anything
on that and didn’t. ALL he ever said about that was
that he'd RATHER die in a ditch than ask for another
extension and was forced to ask for one anyway.

? but at least he came up with a deal that, for many
Post by The Todal
people, is only slightly worse than Theresa's deal.
Substantially better without the backstop in fact.
Post by The Todal
So Farage, a propagandist in the mould of Goebbels, will preach that Boris
is a failure and a traitor and that his deal is rubbish.
That’s his only viable option now
to have any relevance at all.
Post by The Todal
And Labour will benefit enormously.
Nope, Corbyn has just committed
political suicide, you watch. Great imo.

? Probably gaining a few seats overall

Bi chance. He'll lose lots and with any
luck with get the bums rush himself.
Otoh its hard to see who Labour can
replace him with, likely some woman
actually stupid enough to believe that
all that matters is a woman running Labour.
Post by The Todal
in what will again be a hung parliament.
Maybe. It remains to be seen what the
royally pissed off voters will do about
electing remainer MPs. Even if it’s the
same number as currently, its hard to
see that they will be able to refuse to
rubber stamp Boris's deal. They might
conceivably force another referendum
but even that wont work.

No chance of the new parliament revoking Article 50 imo.
Peeler
2019-11-02 06:59:58 UTC
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On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 13:40:22 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Post by Rod Speed
Post by The Todal
Farage has presented the Tories with an impossible choice.
Yep, but
Yes, but it's all NONE of yours AT ALL, you abnormal trolling and
nym-shifting senile Ozzie pest!
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abelard
2019-11-02 13:51:11 UTC
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On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 13:40:22 +1100, "Rod Speed"
Post by The Todal
Post by Incubus
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Tufnell Park
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour
of crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won‘t do that, so
they are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Much as it pains me to say it, you are probably right about that. GULP!
Even the 'dogs in the street' can see that.
The arrogance and stupidity of politicians is astonishing.
My guess is we'll end up with yet another hung parliament. In practice, no
different from the current one.
I'm not so certain. There appears to be a split in The Brexit Party itself
over this issue. Leavers have a viable option in the Conservative Party and
Remainers who respect the result and just want to get things done have this
option likewise. There is also the issue of votes being split between Labour
and Lib Dems. Some people just want to see the issue resolved one way or
another and don't want any further frustration.
Although polls aren't to be taken at face value, they show a significant lead
for Boris at present. Nigel is threatening to tell everyone that Boris' deal
is not really leaving the EU but I don't see him gaining much support.
Even
his supporters are questioning what he is playing at.
To the best of my knowledge, it hasn't been since the 1930s that a newly minted
party has been accused of succeeding only in splitting the vote in a number of
constituencies and allowing a rival party to form a government (The New Party).
The Brexit Party claims to have the machinery to fight a General Election but
they're no longer the party of leaving the EU; they are the party of leaving
the EU in a very specific manner.
Farage has presented the Tories with an impossible choice.
Yep, but he has no choice on that, it’s the only thing he can
do now to make himself less than completely irrelevant.
Post by The Todal
They cannot of course discard the flawed deal that Boris has devised
Yep.
Post by The Todal
(no doubt merely putting his name to the hard work of others)
It wasn’t any others that got Barnier to dump the backstop.
Post by The Todal
because his deal is all he has to show for his time as PM.
Yep.
Post by The Todal
He lost just about every vote,
The only votes were on brexit stuff and he didn’t
lose his demand for a general election. It remains
to be seen how that works out for him. Quite a
gamble imo but he has always been a gambler.
Post by The Todal
he made extravagant promises about when we would leave,
He was never in any position to promise anything
on that and didn’t. ALL he ever said about that was
that he'd RATHER die in a ditch than ask for another
extension and was forced to ask for one anyway.
? but at least he came up with a deal that, for many
Post by The Todal
people, is only slightly worse than Theresa's deal.
Substantially better without the backstop in fact.
Post by The Todal
So Farage, a propagandist in the mould of Goebbels, will preach that Boris
is a failure and a traitor and that his deal is rubbish.
That’s his only viable option now
to have any relevance at all.
Post by The Todal
And Labour will benefit enormously.
Nope, Corbyn has just committed
political suicide, you watch. Great imo.
? Probably gaining a few seats overall
Bi chance. He'll lose lots and with any
luck with get the bums rush himself.
Otoh its hard to see who Labour can
replace him with, likely some woman
actually stupid enough to believe that
all that matters is a woman running Labour.
Post by The Todal
in what will again be a hung parliament.
Maybe. It remains to be seen what the
royally pissed off voters will do about
electing remainer MPs. Even if it’s the
same number as currently, its hard to
see that they will be able to refuse to
rubber stamp Boris's deal. They might
conceivably force another referendum
but even that wont work.
No chance of the new parliament revoking Article 50 imo.
imv, all accurate analysis

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The Natural Philosopher
2019-11-02 07:46:30 UTC
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Post by The Todal
So Farage, a propagandist in the mould of Goebbels
Or possibly the only honest politicians in the whole game.

Poor old Todal. Cognitive dissonance is strong in this one, grasshopper.
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This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and
all women"
Pamela
2019-11-02 10:24:01 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Post by Incubus
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Tufnell Park
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour
of crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won‘t do that,
so they are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Much as it pains me to say it, you are probably right about that. GULP!
Even the 'dogs in the street' can see that.
The arrogance and stupidity of politicians is astonishing.
My guess is we'll end up with yet another hung parliament. In
practice, no different from the current one.
I'm not so certain. There appears to be a split in The Brexit Party
itself over this issue. Leavers have a viable option in the
Conservative Party and Remainers who respect the result and just want
to get things done have this option likewise. There is also the issue
of votes being split between Labour and Lib Dems. Some people just
want to see the issue resolved one way or another and don't want any
further frustration.
Although polls aren't to be taken at face value, they show a
significant lead for Boris at present. Nigel is threatening to tell
everyone that Boris' deal is not really leaving the EU but I don't see
him gaining much support. Even his supporters are questioning what he
is playing at.
To the best of my knowledge, it hasn't been since the 1930s that a
newly minted party has been accused of succeeding only in splitting the
vote in a number of constituencies and allowing a rival party to form a
government (The New Party). The Brexit Party claims to have the
machinery to fight a General Election but they're no longer the party
of leaving the EU; they are the party of leaving the EU in a very
specific manner.
Farage has presented the Tories with an impossible choice. They cannot
of course discard the flawed deal that Boris has devised (no doubt
merely putting his name to the hard work of others) because his deal is
all he has to show for his time as PM. He lost just about every vote, he
made extravagant promises about when we would leave, but at least he
came up with a deal that, for many people, is only slightly worse than
Theresa's deal.
So Farage, a propagandist in the mould of Goebbels, will preach that
Boris is a failure and a traitor and that his deal is rubbish. And
Labour will benefit enormously. Probably gaining a few seats overall in
what will again be a hung parliament.
Before it's over, Farage will realise the consequence of pushing Boris too
hard and, at the last minute, switch to backing him.

Unless Farage is a megalomaniac, he will come to realise his party can't
realsitically win many seats. Come to think of it, he does act a bit like
a megalomaniac so maybe he will pursue his delusion to the bitter end.
Stephen Cole
2019-11-02 11:04:36 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Post by The Todal
Post by Incubus
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Tufnell Park
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour
of crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won‘t do that,
so they are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Much as it pains me to say it, you are probably right about that. GULP!
Even the 'dogs in the street' can see that.
The arrogance and stupidity of politicians is astonishing.
My guess is we'll end up with yet another hung parliament. In
practice, no different from the current one.
I'm not so certain. There appears to be a split in The Brexit Party
itself over this issue. Leavers have a viable option in the
Conservative Party and Remainers who respect the result and just want
to get things done have this option likewise. There is also the issue
of votes being split between Labour and Lib Dems. Some people just
want to see the issue resolved one way or another and don't want any
further frustration.
Although polls aren't to be taken at face value, they show a
significant lead for Boris at present. Nigel is threatening to tell
everyone that Boris' deal is not really leaving the EU but I don't see
him gaining much support. Even his supporters are questioning what he
is playing at.
To the best of my knowledge, it hasn't been since the 1930s that a
newly minted party has been accused of succeeding only in splitting the
vote in a number of constituencies and allowing a rival party to form a
government (The New Party). The Brexit Party claims to have the
machinery to fight a General Election but they're no longer the party
of leaving the EU; they are the party of leaving the EU in a very
specific manner.
Farage has presented the Tories with an impossible choice. They cannot
of course discard the flawed deal that Boris has devised (no doubt
merely putting his name to the hard work of others) because his deal is
all he has to show for his time as PM. He lost just about every vote, he
made extravagant promises about when we would leave, but at least he
came up with a deal that, for many people, is only slightly worse than
Theresa's deal.
So Farage, a propagandist in the mould of Goebbels, will preach that
Boris is a failure and a traitor and that his deal is rubbish. And
Labour will benefit enormously. Probably gaining a few seats overall in
what will again be a hung parliament.
Before it's over, Farage will realise the consequence of pushing Boris too
hard and, at the last minute, switch to backing him.
Unless Farage is a megalomaniac, he will come to realise his party can't
realsitically win many seats. Come to think of it, he does act a bit like
a megalomaniac so maybe he will pursue his delusion to the bitter end.
It’s better for Farage’s ego and bank balance to continue to be the
agitating outsider, causing chaos. Boris’s deal is *not* what Farage wants,
so it makes no sense to claim that he’s going to facilitate that when he
could make much better hay out of complaining about FPTP denying millions
of Brexit Party voters being represented in Parliament. Tice was banging on
about proportional representation at the BXP launch yesterday. Read the
runes; they’re gunning for either no deal or changing the UK electoral
system to something that will put them into Parliament. I don’t think
Farage will be worried about waiting a couple more years for either of
those to happen. He’ll continue to make a fortune in the meantime.
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Pamela
2019-11-02 13:46:13 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Post by The Todal
Post by Incubus
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Tufnell Park
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in
favour of crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won?t
do that, so they are, of course, now doomed in the General
Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Much as it pains me to say it, you are probably right about that. GULP!
Even the 'dogs in the street' can see that.
The arrogance and stupidity of politicians is astonishing.
My guess is we'll end up with yet another hung parliament. In
practice, no different from the current one.
I'm not so certain. There appears to be a split in The Brexit Party
itself over this issue. Leavers have a viable option in the
Conservative Party and Remainers who respect the result and just want
to get things done have this option likewise. There is also the
issue of votes being split between Labour and Lib Dems. Some people
just want to see the issue resolved one way or another and don't want
any further frustration.
Although polls aren't to be taken at face value, they show a
significant lead for Boris at present. Nigel is threatening to tell
everyone that Boris' deal is not really leaving the EU but I don't
see him gaining much support. Even his supporters are questioning
what he is playing at.
To the best of my knowledge, it hasn't been since the 1930s that a
newly minted party has been accused of succeeding only in splitting
the vote in a number of constituencies and allowing a rival party to
form a government (The New Party). The Brexit Party claims to have
the machinery to fight a General Election but they're no longer the
party of leaving the EU; they are the party of leaving the EU in a
very specific manner.
Farage has presented the Tories with an impossible choice. They cannot
of course discard the flawed deal that Boris has devised (no doubt
merely putting his name to the hard work of others) because his deal
is all he has to show for his time as PM. He lost just about every
vote, he made extravagant promises about when we would leave, but at
least he came up with a deal that, for many people, is only slightly
worse than Theresa's deal.
So Farage, a propagandist in the mould of Goebbels, will preach that
Boris is a failure and a traitor and that his deal is rubbish. And
Labour will benefit enormously. Probably gaining a few seats overall
in what will again be a hung parliament.
Before it's over, Farage will realise the consequence of pushing Boris
too hard and, at the last minute, switch to backing him.
Unless Farage is a megalomaniac, he will come to realise his party
can't realsitically win many seats. Come to think of it, he does act a
bit like a megalomaniac so maybe he will pursue his delusion to the
bitter end.
It’s better for Farage’s ego and bank balance to continue to be the
agitating outsider, causing chaos. Boris’s deal is *not* what Farage
wants, so it makes no sense to claim that he’s going to facilitate
that when he could make much better hay out of complaining about FPTP
denying millions of Brexit Party voters being represented in Parliament.
Tice was banging on about proportional representation at the BXP launch
yesterday. Read the runes; they’re gunning for either no deal or
changing the UK electoral system to something that will put them into
Parliament. I don’t think Farage will be worried about waiting a
couple more years for either of those to happen. He’ll continue to
make a fortune in the meantime.
The idea that Farage is a committed Brexit idealist overlooks his greater
love of money. He likes money almost as much as Trump does and that's
saying something.

I expect Farage will aim for a situation which generates oodles of lolly
for him.
abelard
2019-11-02 13:52:21 UTC
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On 2 Nov 2019 11:04:36 GMT, Stephen Cole
It’s better for Farage’s ego and bank balance to continue to be the
agitating outsider, causing chaos. Boris’s deal is *not* what Farage wants,
so it makes no sense to claim that he’s going to facilitate that when he
could make much better hay out of complaining about FPTP denying millions
of Brexit Party voters being represented in Parliament. Tice was banging on
about proportional representation at the BXP launch yesterday. Read the
runes; they’re gunning for either no deal or changing the UK electoral
system to something that will put them into Parliament. I don’t think
Farage will be worried about waiting a couple more years for either of
those to happen. He’ll continue to make a fortune in the meantime.
fantasy....not realistic politics
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2019-11-02 12:06:14 UTC
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On 02/11/2019 10:24, Pamela wrote:
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Post by Pamela
Unless Farage is a megalomaniac, he will come to realise his party can't
realsitically win many seats.
ITYM any.
Post by Pamela
Come to think of it, he does act a bit like
a megalomaniac so maybe he will pursue his delusion to the bitter end.
Everything that Nigel does seems to have great deal more to do with
promoting Nigel than actually achieving any goal.
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Pamela
2019-11-02 13:49:04 UTC
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Post by nightjar
...
Post by Pamela
Unless Farage is a megalomaniac, he will come to realise his party can't
realsitically win many seats.
ITYM any.
Post by Pamela
Come to think of it, he does act a bit like
a megalomaniac so maybe he will pursue his delusion to the bitter end.
Everything that Nigel does seems to have great deal more to do with
promoting Nigel than actually achieving any goal.
In many ways I like Farage but he's no public servant. He has his pet desire
to have Britain outside the EU but even he can't pretend it's for the greater
good of the public.
The Natural Philosopher
2019-11-02 07:44:58 UTC
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Post by Incubus
Although polls aren't to be taken at face value, they show a significant lead
for Boris at present. Nigel is threatening to tell everyone that Boris' deal
is not really leaving the EU but I don't see him gaining much support.
Well... even at the cynical political level what has Nigel got to lose?

He needs clear water between himself and the Tories if they won't
collude, and BRINO is his comment on the deal, so thats fine.

But to be fair, of all politicians Nigel has been 100% consistent. Leave
as cleanly as possible, take any inconvenience on the chin and build a
new future outside the EU. No other party is offering that vision. No
other party is looking at the BBC and the house of Lords and the supreme
court either.

It's a new agenda on offer.

So we now have clear positions on Brexit from all parties (except Labour).
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nightjar
2019-11-01 19:47:46 UTC
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On 01/11/2019 13:43, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
...
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
My guess is we'll end up with yet another hung parliament. In practice, no
different from the current one.
The election predictors suggest that the Conservatives could get a small
majority. They are quite a bit further ahead of Labour than at the start
of the last election. However, the last week has seen a small increase
in support for TBP and they could be crucial in losing the Conservatives
some marginals.
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Votes for Farage will simply cloud the issue as he's very unlikely to win
any seats at all. And certainly nowhere near a majority.
Thurrock is considered the most possible TBP win. UKIP were only about
1,000 votes short of taking it last election.
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
I'd like to see Farage win a seat, though. The clash between his enormous
ego and that of Boris should be fun.
He can't be both an MP and an MEP.
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The Todal
2019-11-01 19:53:09 UTC
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Post by nightjar
...
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
My guess is we'll end up with yet another hung parliament. In
practice, no
different from the current one.
The election predictors suggest that the Conservatives could get a small
majority. They are quite a bit further ahead of Labour than at the start
of the last election. However, the last week has seen a small increase
in support for TBP and they could be crucial in losing the Conservatives
some marginals.
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Votes for Farage will simply cloud the issue as he's very unlikely to win
any seats at all. And certainly nowhere near a majority.
Thurrock is considered the most possible TBP win. UKIP were only about
1,000 votes short of taking it last election.
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
I'd like to see Farage win a seat, though. The clash between his enormous
ego and that of Boris should be fun.
He can't be both an MP and an MEP.
Maybe he plans to resign as an MEP so that he can stand as an MP. Is
that an option for him?

Did everyone enjoy Farage's scoop interview with Donald Trump yesterday,
re-broadcast today? Trump's advisers must have been aghast to hear him
holding forth in a stream of consciousness without checking with anyone
whether he might be getting himself into trouble. Farage was obviously
having the time of his life. A President giving him exclusive access
that would be denied to any other news outlet or indeed, to Number 10.

But one crucial point was that in the opinion of Trump, Boris's deal is
a bad one and would inhibit any deals between the UK and the USA.
Horror of horrors! Boris undermined by no less than the US President
himself. Farage is the gift that keeps on giving to the Labour Party.
nightjar
2019-11-02 09:40:41 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Post by nightjar
...
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
I'd like to see Farage win a seat, though. The clash between his enormous
ego and that of Boris should be fun.
He can't be both an MP and an MEP.
Maybe he plans to resign as an MEP so that he can stand as an MP. Is
that an option for him?...
The Electoral Commission's guidance merely says that the two posts are
not compatible. It doesn't make it clear whether he would need to resign
as an MEP to stand as a candidate or only if he wins a seat in
parliament. As he stood in the last election, I suspect the latter.
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Rod Speed
2019-11-02 03:05:20 UTC
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.
Post by nightjar
My guess is we'll end up with yet another hung parliament,
In practice, no different from the current one.
The election predictors suggest that the Conservatives could get a small
majority.
Its too far out for the predictors to be useful.
Post by nightjar
They are quite a bit further ahead of Labour than at the start of the last
election.
Yep, Labour is really on the nose with the
the voters and its hard to see that anything
Corbyn can do bribing wise will change that
now given that he has tried the bribes already
and has got that result from doing that.

Ranting about corrupt govt wont convince many imo.

< However, the last week has seen a
Post by nightjar
small increase in support for TBP
Hardly surprising given how irrelevant they were previously,
Post by nightjar
and they could be crucial in losing the Conservatives some marginals.
I doubt it given how on the nose Labour is with the voters.

That might be a problem with marginal seats with
some chance of a LD candidate getting up but imo
there arent enough of those to matter much.

Sure, a few rabid remainers like you might well
vote for the LD now that they are the only real
black and white opponent of leaving apart from
the SNP which is only standing in scotland seats.
Post by nightjar
Votes for Farage will simply cloud the issue as he's very unlikely to win
any seats at all. And certainly nowhere near a majority.
Thurrock is considered the most possible TBP win.
But still hopeless now that Boris has ended up with
a brexit deal that is acceptable to all but the most
rabid like the DUPs. The FPP system means that TBP
hasn’t got a hope in hell of even getting Farage a set
given that the couldn’t even manage that previously.
Post by nightjar
UKIP were only about 1,000 votes short of taking it last election.
Where do you get that from ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurrock_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Elections_in_the_2010s

But now that Boris's deal is acceptable to
most, there is no way that seat will do better
for TBP than it did for UKIP. Its not as if there
has been any useful change for them in
demographics in such a short time.

What change there has been is worse for TBP,
particularly the cave in on the backstop by Barnier.

I cant see that Farage's claim that Boris's deal isnt
a real brexit will convince many that constituency.
Post by nightjar
I'd like to see Farage win a seat, though. The clash between his enormous
ego and that of Boris should be fun.
He can't be both an MP and an MEP.
He cant be an MEP with the UK out of the EU.
Peeler
2019-11-02 07:01:00 UTC
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On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 14:05:20 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, pontificated, again:

<FLUSH the senile trolling Ozzietard's latest trollshit>

...and much better air in here, again!
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abelard
2019-11-02 14:06:29 UTC
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Post by nightjar
Thurrock is considered the most possible TBP win. UKIP were only about
1,000 votes short of taking it last election.
and the vegetables got 1
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2019-11-02 14:59:39 UTC
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Post by abelard
Post by nightjar
Thurrock is considered the most possible TBP win. UKIP were only about
1,000 votes short of taking it last election.
and the vegetables got 1
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2019-11-01 13:38:15 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats
doubt it in the near of Scotland.....
Stephen Cole
2019-11-01 14:19:28 UTC
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Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats
doubt it in the near of Scotland.....
He reckons he is, Jim. HTH, Jim. Thanks, Jim.
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Vidcapper
2019-11-01 14:39:02 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
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Tufnell Park
2019-11-01 14:43:36 UTC
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Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
The polls have been wrong before.

Also the 'Remain/Revoke' parties are talking of a pact, similar to that
which worked in the Brecon and Radnor by-election.
Norman Wells
2019-11-01 15:21:34 UTC
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Post by Tufnell Park
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
The polls have been wrong before.
When desperate hope is all you have ....
Post by Tufnell Park
Also the 'Remain/Revoke' parties are talking of a pact, similar to that
which worked in the Brecon and Radnor by-election.
Are they? Where?

As far as I've heard, they all say they won't work with anyone else.

Labour still regard themselves as a national force and will feel obliged
to field a candidate in every constituency. The SNP are only interested
in Scotland and will field a candidate everywhere there. Plaid Cymru
are only interested in Wales and will field a condidate at least almost
everywhere there. The LibDems fancy their chances everywhere after the
European and local elections and won't accommodate any other party
anywhere unless it's unequivocally committed to revoking Article 50,
which only means the insignificant Greens. And all the others are
irrelevant.

So, who's going to stand down?

When Hell freezes over, there'll be a pact, not before though.
Vidcapper
2019-11-01 15:21:32 UTC
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Post by Tufnell Park
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
The polls have been wrong before.
True, but the voters have now had 2 further years to see the *real*
Corbyn. :p
Post by Tufnell Park
Also the 'Remain/Revoke' parties are talking of a pact, similar to that
which worked in the Brecon and Radnor by-election.
What might work in a by-election, is unlikely to work on a national
level, as campaigning resources are necessarily spread far thinner.
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The Natural Philosopher
2019-11-02 07:25:16 UTC
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Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
Boris has had full on daily publiciry foir MONTHS

Nigel and TBP have received little or no coverage.

He has onbly just begin to set out his stall.
We know that a massive amount of peole have voted |TBP in te European
elections, and could do in natioanl if they were cionvinced that TPB is
a cometent real possible government or opposition nationally.

|That is what Tice and Farage and others will be doing.

They are unlikley to lose support., They have every chance of gaining it.
Trival loyalties aside, we have

- Corbyn/Labour = Clueless Communism.
- Swinedottir/Liberals = Big Tits and Europe.
- Boris/Tories = Brexit in name only, turn back on USA. Back to virtue
signalling politics
- FISHYCunt/SNP = racism, lies, and an 'independent scotland' enslaved
to the EU.
- Farage/TBP = clean Brexit, drain the swamnp and political reform.

Yer pays yer munny...
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Chang
2019-11-02 09:09:05 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
Boris has had full on daily publiciry foir MONTHS
Nigel and TBP have received little or no coverage.
He has onbly just begin to set out his stall.
We know that a massive amount of peole have voted |TBP in te European
elections, and could do in natioanl if they were cionvinced that TPB is a
cometent real possible government or opposition nationally.
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
will do any better in a general election than UKIP
did given that there is more chance of a non BRINO
now than in the last general election. And given that
UKIP never managed even a seat for Farage, there
is no chance he will get one now, let alone anything
more than that refugee from the Tories being reelected.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
|That is what Tice and Farage and others will be doing.
Didn’t help them last time and won't this time either.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
They are unlikley to lose support., They have every chance of gaining it.
Can’t see that now that a BRINO isnt going to happen.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Trival loyalties aside, we have
- Corbyn/Labour = Clueless Communism.
- Swinedottir/Liberals = Big Tits and Europe.
- Boris/Tories = Brexit in name only, turn back on USA. Back to virtue
signalling politics
- FISHYCunt/SNP = racism, lies, and an 'independent scotland' enslaved to
the EU.
- Farage/TBP = clean Brexit, drain the swamnp and political reform.
Yer pays yer munny...
They did, and Farage didn’t even manage a seat for himself.
The Natural Philosopher
2019-11-02 09:59:27 UTC
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Post by Chang
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
will do any better in a general election than UKIP
did
False conclusions based on..
Post by Chang
given that there is more chance of a non BRINO
now than in the last general election.
...false assumption.

We are being driven towards the least amount of Brexit that is
politically acceptable.

The Tory party is fully complicit in this - even the ERG who see it as
the best that the tories can achieve.

The electorate may not accept it however.

The brexit partyt is steets ahead of UKIP in terms of candidate quality
and is not handicapped by an executive who belong in the 19th century.

UKIP was always an alliance between several disparate forces. TBP is
simply one focus. Less government and none of it based in Brussels at all.
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abelard
2019-11-02 14:03:32 UTC
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On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 09:59:27 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Chang
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
will do any better in a general election than UKIP
did
False conclusions based on..
Post by Chang
given that there is more chance of a non BRINO
now than in the last general election.
...false assumption.
We are being driven towards the least amount of Brexit that is
politically acceptable.
The Tory party is fully complicit in this - even the ERG who see it as
the best that the tories can achieve.
The electorate may not accept it however.
The brexit partyt is steets ahead of UKIP in terms of candidate quality
and is not handicapped by an executive who belong in the 19th century.
UKIP was always an alliance between several disparate forces. TBP is
simply one focus. Less government and none of it based in Brussels at all.
it took 40 years of being slowly engulfed by the eussr....

it will take more than a few days to wriggle free...brexit does
not even start until article 50 is imposed

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Chang
2019-11-02 17:16:01 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Chang
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
will do any better in a general election than UKIP
did
False conclusions based on..
Post by Chang
given that there is more chance of a non BRINO
now than in the last general election.
...false assumption.
It isnt an assumption, it’s a prediction.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
We are being driven towards the least amount of Brexit that is politically
acceptable.
Because of the current parliament dominated by remainers determined
to ignore the referendum result aided by that fool remainer Bercow,.

It remains to be seen what the new parliament will be like and its unlikely
that the new speaker will be as interventionist as Bercow although
unfortunately who that is is determined by the current parliament.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
The Tory party is fully complicit in this - even the ERG who see it as
the best that the tories can achieve.
Hardly surprising given the current parliament. But
it remains to be seen what the new one will be like.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
The electorate may not accept it however.
I doubt the electorate cares much about the fine
detail of the brexit anymore. It isnt even clear that
enough do want to punish the MPs enough for
their refusal to do what the referendum said that
the majority who bothered to vote said they wanted.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
The brexit partyt is steets ahead of UKIP in terms of candidate quality
and is not handicapped by an executive who belong in the 19th century.
Sure, but still get to wear the FPP system and the fact that support
for TBP is quite evenly spread across the country so that even
Farage couldn’t manage to get a seat and the only MP they
ended up with was a refugee from the Tories whose constituency
would re-elect him regardless of which party he currently was part of.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
UKIP was always an alliance between several disparate forces. TBP is
simply one focus. Less government and none of it based in Brussels at all.
Yes but they are still suck with the FPP system and the consequences of
that.
I doubt many of the voters agree with Farage that what Boris ended up with
is unacceptable.
Peeler
2019-11-02 18:30:55 UTC
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On Sun, 3 Nov 2019 04:16:01 +1100, Chang, better known as cantankerous
Post by Chang
It isnt an assumption
Maybe! But you are an asshole, a trolling nym-shifting senile asshole!
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Joe
2019-11-02 18:58:50 UTC
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On Sun, 3 Nov 2019 04:16:01 +1100
Post by Chang
Hardly surprising given the current parliament. But
it remains to be seen what the new one will be like.
Why would it be any different?

It will contain the same mix of lawyers, career politicians, other
public sector people, mostly millionaires...

All from private schools, the parties don't pick any other kind of
people. Thatcher and Major were serious anomalies, unlikely to be
repeated.
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Chang
2019-11-02 19:48:48 UTC
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Post by Peeler
On Sun, 3 Nov 2019 04:16:01 +1100
Post by Chang
Hardly surprising given the current parliament. But
it remains to be seen what the new one will be like.
Why would it be any different?
Because some of the voters will be pissed off with
the antics of the current parliament and will choose
to pull the plug on some of the MPs that did that.

That's what happened with Cameron's second GE,
quite a few constituencies pulled the plug on their
LD MP and the LD went from 57 to 8 MPs.
Post by Peeler
It will contain the same mix of lawyers, career politicians,
other public sector people, mostly millionaires...
But may be a very different mix of leavers and remainers
and party they are part of, like with Cameron's GEs.
Post by Peeler
All from private schools,
Not all of them, particularly with Labour.
Post by Peeler
the parties don't pick any other kind of people.
Labour does at times.
Post by Peeler
Thatcher and Major were serious
anomalies, unlikely to be repeated.
But you still get radically different people,
Atlee was nothing like Churchill and Corbyn
is nothing like Blair or Boris.
Peeler
2019-11-02 20:13:58 UTC
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On Sun, 3 Nov 2019 06:48:48 +1100, Chang, better known as cantankerous
Post by Chang
Post by Joe
Why would it be any different?
Because some of the voters will be
Do these people still not get that you are a trolling senile asshole from
Oz, senile Rodent? Aren't you suprised, too? LOL
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2019-11-02 09:21:25 UTC
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On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 20:09:05 +1100, Chang, better known as cantankerous
Post by Chang
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
The problem is that it's all NONE of YOURS, senile Ozzie cretin!
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2019-11-02 11:04:36 UTC
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Post by Chang
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
Boris has had full on daily publiciry foir MONTHS
Nigel and TBP have received little or no coverage.
He has onbly just begin to set out his stall.
We know that a massive amount of peole have voted |TBP in te European
elections, and could do in natioanl if they were cionvinced that TPB is a
cometent real possible government or opposition nationally.
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
will do any better in a general election than UKIP
did given that there is more chance of a non BRINO
now than in the last general election.
I expect Farage’s outfit to pick up a few million votes but spread so
thinly around the country it adds up to sweet fuck all in Parliament, just
like UKIP. But those several million voters will be culled from the Tory
vote more than the Labour vote and that will make a difference in plenty of
places.
--
M0TEY // STC
www.twitter.com/ukradioamateur
abelard
2019-11-02 12:34:58 UTC
Permalink
On 2 Nov 2019 11:04:36 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Chang
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
Boris has had full on daily publiciry foir MONTHS
Nigel and TBP have received little or no coverage.
He has onbly just begin to set out his stall.
We know that a massive amount of peole have voted |TBP in te European
elections, and could do in natioanl if they were cionvinced that TPB is a
cometent real possible government or opposition nationally.
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
will do any better in a general election than UKIP
did given that there is more chance of a non BRINO
now than in the last general election.
I expect Farage’s outfit to pick up a few million votes but spread so
thinly around the country it adds up to sweet fuck all in Parliament, just
like UKIP. But those several million voters will be culled from the Tory
vote more than the Labour vote and that will make a difference in plenty of
places.
it is irrational to vote for farage's vanity project....

so why do you believe there are sufficient irrational people
who will vote for him?
--
www.abelard.org
The Natural Philosopher
2019-11-02 12:39:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by abelard
On 2 Nov 2019 11:04:36 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Chang
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
Boris has had full on daily publiciry foir MONTHS
Nigel and TBP have received little or no coverage.
He has onbly just begin to set out his stall.
We know that a massive amount of peole have voted |TBP in te European
elections, and could do in natioanl if they were cionvinced that TPB is a
cometent real possible government or opposition nationally.
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
will do any better in a general election than UKIP
did given that there is more chance of a non BRINO
now than in the last general election.
I expect Farage’s outfit to pick up a few million votes but spread so
thinly around the country it adds up to sweet fuck all in Parliament, just
like UKIP. But those several million voters will be culled from the Tory
vote more than the Labour vote and that will make a difference in plenty of
places.
it is irrational to vote for farage's vanity project....
Asumptive close. It is not Farages vanity propject.
Post by abelard
so why do you believe there are sufficient irrational people
who will vote for him?
Assumptive close. Most People voting for Farage are extremely rational
--
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
foolish, and by the rulers as useful.

(Seneca the Younger, 65 AD)
abelard
2019-11-02 13:13:26 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 12:39:52 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by abelard
On 2 Nov 2019 11:04:36 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Chang
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
Boris has had full on daily publiciry foir MONTHS
Nigel and TBP have received little or no coverage.
He has onbly just begin to set out his stall.
We know that a massive amount of peole have voted |TBP in te European
elections, and could do in natioanl if they were cionvinced that TPB is a
cometent real possible government or opposition nationally.
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
will do any better in a general election than UKIP
did given that there is more chance of a non BRINO
now than in the last general election.
I expect Farage’s outfit to pick up a few million votes but spread so
thinly around the country it adds up to sweet fuck all in Parliament, just
like UKIP. But those several million voters will be culled from the Tory
vote more than the Labour vote and that will make a difference in plenty of
places.
it is irrational to vote for farage's vanity project....
Asumptive close. It is not Farages vanity propject.
Post by abelard
so why do you believe there are sufficient irrational people
who will vote for him?
Assumptive close. Most People voting for Farage are extremely rational
his behaviour is not rational under any other assumption than vanity

who knows what fairy dances around in your head to believe otherwise

perhaps you will enlighten me
--
www.abelard.org
The Natural Philosopher
2019-11-02 13:17:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by abelard
On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 12:39:52 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by abelard
On 2 Nov 2019 11:04:36 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Chang
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
Boris has had full on daily publiciry foir MONTHS
Nigel and TBP have received little or no coverage.
He has onbly just begin to set out his stall.
We know that a massive amount of peole have voted |TBP in te European
elections, and could do in natioanl if they were cionvinced that TPB is a
cometent real possible government or opposition nationally.
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
will do any better in a general election than UKIP
did given that there is more chance of a non BRINO
now than in the last general election.
I expect Farage’s outfit to pick up a few million votes but spread so
thinly around the country it adds up to sweet fuck all in Parliament, just
like UKIP. But those several million voters will be culled from the Tory
vote more than the Labour vote and that will make a difference in plenty of
places.
it is irrational to vote for farage's vanity project....
Asumptive close. It is not Farages vanity propject.
Post by abelard
so why do you believe there are sufficient irrational people
who will vote for him?
Assumptive close. Most People voting for Farage are extremely rational
his behaviour is not rational under any other assumption than vanity
Ah. We move from assumptive close to proof by assertion. With adahs of
ad hominem thrown in.
Post by abelard
who knows what fairy dances around in your head to believe otherwise
Golly and a double ad hominem in one sentence!

Clearly you have run out of rational debate - indeed your use of
'belief' betrays your woldview

I assume you are either viotinhg for 'tits' swinedottir, or Magic Grandpa.
Post by abelard
perhaps you will enlighten me
I doubt anyone can.
--
"In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is
true: it is true because it is powerful."

Lucas Bergkamp
abelard
2019-11-02 13:26:46 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 13:17:34 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by abelard
On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 12:39:52 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by abelard
On 2 Nov 2019 11:04:36 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Chang
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
Boris has had full on daily publiciry foir MONTHS
Nigel and TBP have received little or no coverage.
He has onbly just begin to set out his stall.
We know that a massive amount of peole have voted |TBP in te European
elections, and could do in natioanl if they were cionvinced that TPB is a
cometent real possible government or opposition nationally.
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
will do any better in a general election than UKIP
did given that there is more chance of a non BRINO
now than in the last general election.
I expect Farage’s outfit to pick up a few million votes but spread so
thinly around the country it adds up to sweet fuck all in Parliament, just
like UKIP. But those several million voters will be culled from the Tory
vote more than the Labour vote and that will make a difference in plenty of
places.
it is irrational to vote for farage's vanity project....
Asumptive close. It is not Farages vanity propject.
Post by abelard
so why do you believe there are sufficient irrational people
who will vote for him?
Assumptive close. Most People voting for Farage are extremely rational
his behaviour is not rational under any other assumption than vanity
Ah. We move from assumptive close to proof by assertion. With adahs of
ad hominem thrown in.
you don't read well...i can see no alternative...

i've asked you what your's may be

if you don't like the colourful prose, that is your problem
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by abelard
who knows what fairy dances around in your head to believe otherwise
Golly and a double ad hominem in one sentence!
Clearly you have run out of rational debate - indeed your use of
'belief' betrays your woldview
I assume you are either viotinhg for 'tits' swinedottir, or Magic Grandpa.
Post by abelard
perhaps you will enlighten me
I doubt anyone can.
so you dodge...i am shocked
--
www.abelard.org
The Natural Philosopher
2019-11-02 14:57:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by abelard
On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 13:17:34 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by abelard
On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 12:39:52 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by abelard
On 2 Nov 2019 11:04:36 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Chang
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
Boris has had full on daily publiciry foir MONTHS
Nigel and TBP have received little or no coverage.
He has onbly just begin to set out his stall.
We know that a massive amount of peole have voted |TBP in te European
elections, and could do in natioanl if they were cionvinced that TPB is a
cometent real possible government or opposition nationally.
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
will do any better in a general election than UKIP
did given that there is more chance of a non BRINO
now than in the last general election.
I expect Farage’s outfit to pick up a few million votes but spread so
thinly around the country it adds up to sweet fuck all in Parliament, just
like UKIP. But those several million voters will be culled from the Tory
vote more than the Labour vote and that will make a difference in plenty of
places.
it is irrational to vote for farage's vanity project....
Asumptive close. It is not Farages vanity propject.
Post by abelard
so why do you believe there are sufficient irrational people
who will vote for him?
Assumptive close. Most People voting for Farage are extremely rational
his behaviour is not rational under any other assumption than vanity
Ah. We move from assumptive close to proof by assertion. With adahs of
ad hominem thrown in.
you don't read well...i can see no alternative...
i've asked you what your's may be
if you don't like the colourful prose, that is your problem
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by abelard
who knows what fairy dances around in your head to believe otherwise
Golly and a double ad hominem in one sentence!
Clearly you have run out of rational debate - indeed your use of
'belief' betrays your woldview
I assume you are either viotinhg for 'tits' swinedottir, or Magic Grandpa.
Post by abelard
perhaps you will enlighten me
I doubt anyone can.
so you dodge...i am shocked
A straw man! Is there no end to your logical fallacies?
--
The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all
private property.

Karl Marx
The Natural Philosopher
2019-11-02 15:01:39 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 14:57:35 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by abelard
On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 13:17:34 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by abelard
On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 12:39:52 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by abelard
On 2 Nov 2019 11:04:36 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Chang
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
Boris has had full on daily publiciry foir MONTHS
Nigel and TBP have received little or no coverage.
He has onbly just begin to set out his stall.
We know that a massive amount of peole have voted |TBP in te European
elections, and could do in natioanl if they were cionvinced that TPB is a
cometent real possible government or opposition nationally.
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
will do any better in a general election than UKIP
did given that there is more chance of a non BRINO
now than in the last general election.
I expect Farage’s outfit to pick up a few million votes but spread so
thinly around the country it adds up to sweet fuck all in Parliament, just
like UKIP. But those several million voters will be culled from the Tory
vote more than the Labour vote and that will make a difference in plenty of
places.
it is irrational to vote for farage's vanity project....
Asumptive close. It is not Farages vanity propject.
Post by abelard
so why do you believe there are sufficient irrational people
who will vote for him?
Assumptive close. Most People voting for Farage are extremely rational
his behaviour is not rational under any other assumption than vanity
Ah. We move from assumptive close to proof by assertion. With adahs of
ad hominem thrown in.
you don't read well...i can see no alternative...
i've asked you what your's may be
if you don't like the colourful prose, that is your problem
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by abelard
who knows what fairy dances around in your head to believe otherwise
Golly and a double ad hominem in one sentence!
Clearly you have run out of rational debate - indeed your use of
'belief' betrays your woldview
I assume you are either viotinhg for 'tits' swinedottir, or Magic Grandpa.
Post by abelard
perhaps you will enlighten me
I doubt anyone can.
so you dodge...i am shocked
A straw man! Is there no end to your logical fallacies?
i see you are a netstereotype...
known as the inveterate dodger
Stop looking in the mirror.
All you are saying is projecting your own bigotry onto the world around you.
Its clinically marginally interesting, but ultimately boring
--
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that
the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

- Bertrand Russell
abelard
2019-11-02 15:12:59 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 15:01:39 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 14:57:35 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by abelard
On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 13:17:34 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by abelard
On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 12:39:52 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by abelard
On 2 Nov 2019 11:04:36 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Chang
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
Boris has had full on daily publiciry foir MONTHS
Nigel and TBP have received little or no coverage.
He has onbly just begin to set out his stall.
We know that a massive amount of peole have voted |TBP in te European
elections, and could do in natioanl if they were cionvinced that TPB is a
cometent real possible government or opposition nationally.
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
will do any better in a general election than UKIP
did given that there is more chance of a non BRINO
now than in the last general election.
I expect Farage’s outfit to pick up a few million votes but spread so
thinly around the country it adds up to sweet fuck all in Parliament, just
like UKIP. But those several million voters will be culled from the Tory
vote more than the Labour vote and that will make a difference in plenty of
places.
it is irrational to vote for farage's vanity project....
Asumptive close. It is not Farages vanity propject.
Post by abelard
so why do you believe there are sufficient irrational people
who will vote for him?
Assumptive close. Most People voting for Farage are extremely rational
his behaviour is not rational under any other assumption than vanity
Ah. We move from assumptive close to proof by assertion. With adahs of
ad hominem thrown in.
you don't read well...i can see no alternative...
i've asked you what your's may be
if you don't like the colourful prose, that is your problem
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by abelard
who knows what fairy dances around in your head to believe otherwise
Golly and a double ad hominem in one sentence!
Clearly you have run out of rational debate - indeed your use of
'belief' betrays your woldview
I assume you are either viotinhg for 'tits' swinedottir, or Magic Grandpa.
Post by abelard
perhaps you will enlighten me
I doubt anyone can.
so you dodge...i am shocked
A straw man! Is there no end to your logical fallacies?
i see you are a netstereotype...
known as the inveterate dodger
Stop looking in the mirror.
ah, reversion to socialist deflection reflection

and still you dodge
Post by The Natural Philosopher
All you are saying is projecting your own bigotry onto the world around you.
Its clinically marginally interesting, but ultimately boring
--
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that
the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."
- Bertrand Russell
your wide ranging doubts are not unreasonable
--
www.abelard.org
The Natural Philosopher
2019-11-02 19:41:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by abelard
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Stop looking in the mirror.
ah, reversion to socialist deflection reflection
and still you dodge
ah, reversion to socialist deflection reflection
and still you dodge
Post by abelard
Post by The Natural Philosopher
All you are saying is projecting your own bigotry onto the world around you.
Its clinically marginally interesting, but ultimately boring
--
If I had all the money I've spent on drink...
..I'd spend it on drink.

Sir Henry (at Rawlinson's End)
Keema's Nan
2019-11-02 13:59:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by abelard
On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 12:39:52 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by abelard
On 2 Nov 2019 11:04:36 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Chang
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour
of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that,
so they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
Boris has had full on daily publiciry foir MONTHS
Nigel and TBP have received little or no coverage.
He has onbly just begin to set out his stall.
We know that a massive amount of peole have voted |TBP in te European
elections, and could do in natioanl if they were cionvinced that TPB
is a
cometent real possible government or opposition nationally.
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
will do any better in a general election than UKIP
did given that there is more chance of a non BRINO
now than in the last general election.
I expect Farage’s outfit to pick up a few million votes but spread so
thinly around the country it adds up to sweet fuck all in Parliament, just
like UKIP. But those several million voters will be culled from the Tory
vote more than the Labour vote and that will make a difference in plenty of
places.
it is irrational to vote for farage's vanity project....
Asumptive close. It is not Farages vanity propject.
Post by abelard
so why do you believe there are sufficient irrational people
who will vote for him?
Assumptive close. Most People voting for Farage are extremely rational
his behaviour is not rational under any other assumption than vanity
Ah. We move from assumptive close to proof by assertion. With adahs of
ad hominem thrown in.
Good heavens. Someone who has looked up a few things on Wikipedia and now
wants to show how clever he is.

Or maybe - Interiectio quasi non-sequitur me non est eis numerus
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by abelard
who knows what fairy dances around in your head to believe otherwise
Golly and a double ad hominem in one sentence!
Oh dear you have a very bad case, of big-headedness. Maybe a lie down would
be sensible?
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Clearly you have run out of rational debate - indeed your use of
'belief' betrays your woldview
I assume you are either viotinhg for 'tits' swinedottir, or Magic Grandpa.
Perhaps you need to ease off the alcohol?
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by abelard
perhaps you will enlighten me
I doubt anyone can.
Keema's Nan
2019-11-02 13:52:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by abelard
On 2 Nov 2019 11:04:36 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Chang
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so
they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
Boris has had full on daily publiciry foir MONTHS
Nigel and TBP have received little or no coverage.
He has onbly just begin to set out his stall.
We know that a massive amount of peole have voted |TBP in te European
elections, and could do in natioanl if they were cionvinced that TPB is a
cometent real possible government or opposition nationally.
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
will do any better in a general election than UKIP
did given that there is more chance of a non BRINO
now than in the last general election.
I expect Farage’s outfit to pick up a few million votes but spread so
thinly around the country it adds up to sweet fuck all in Parliament, just
like UKIP. But those several million voters will be culled from the Tory
vote more than the Labour vote and that will make a difference in plenty of
places.
it is irrational to vote for farage's vanity project....
so why do you believe there are sufficient irrational people
who will vote for him?
There are a lot of irrational people in the UK.
abelard
2019-11-02 13:55:29 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 02 Nov 2019 13:52:42 +0000, Keema's Nan
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by abelard
On 2 Nov 2019 11:04:36 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Chang
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so
they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
Boris has had full on daily publiciry foir MONTHS
Nigel and TBP have received little or no coverage.
He has onbly just begin to set out his stall.
We know that a massive amount of peole have voted |TBP in te European
elections, and could do in natioanl if they were cionvinced that TPB is a
cometent real possible government or opposition nationally.
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
will do any better in a general election than UKIP
did given that there is more chance of a non BRINO
now than in the last general election.
I expect Farage’s outfit to pick up a few million votes but spread so
thinly around the country it adds up to sweet fuck all in Parliament, just
like UKIP. But those several million voters will be culled from the Tory
vote more than the Labour vote and that will make a difference in plenty of
places.
it is irrational to vote for farage's vanity project....
so why do you believe there are sufficient irrational people
who will vote for him?
There are a lot of irrational people in the UK.
certainly, and at many values of 'irrational'

my question was about the size of the pool in this particular context
--
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abelard
2019-11-02 13:57:36 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 02 Nov 2019 13:52:42 +0000, Keema's Nan
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by abelard
On 2 Nov 2019 11:04:36 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Chang
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so
they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
Boris has had full on daily publiciry foir MONTHS
Nigel and TBP have received little or no coverage.
He has onbly just begin to set out his stall.
We know that a massive amount of peole have voted |TBP in te European
elections, and could do in natioanl if they were cionvinced that TPB is a
cometent real possible government or opposition nationally.
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
will do any better in a general election than UKIP
did given that there is more chance of a non BRINO
now than in the last general election.
I expect Farage’s outfit to pick up a few million votes but spread so
thinly around the country it adds up to sweet fuck all in Parliament, just
like UKIP. But those several million voters will be culled from the Tory
vote more than the Labour vote and that will make a difference in plenty of
places.
it is irrational to vote for farage's vanity project....
so why do you believe there are sufficient irrational people
who will vote for him?
There are a lot of irrational people in the UK.
ps, your newsreader is mishandling " in the headers

a different font may help
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The Natural Philosopher
2019-11-02 14:58:25 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by abelard
On 2 Nov 2019 11:04:36 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Chang
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
Boris has had full on daily publiciry foir MONTHS
Nigel and TBP have received little or no coverage.
He has onbly just begin to set out his stall.
We know that a massive amount of peole have voted |TBP in te European
elections, and could do in natioanl if they were cionvinced that TPB is a
cometent real possible government or opposition nationally.
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
will do any better in a general election than UKIP
did given that there is more chance of a non BRINO
now than in the last general election.
I expect Farage’s outfit to pick up a few million votes but spread so
thinly around the country it adds up to sweet fuck all in Parliament, just
like UKIP. But those several million voters will be culled from the Tory
vote more than the Labour vote and that will make a difference in plenty of
places.
it is irrational to vote for farage's vanity project....
so why do you believe there are sufficient irrational people
who will vote for him?
There are a lot of irrational people in the UK.
indeed. And most of them voted to remain. The unthinking man's choice.
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James Hammerton
2019-11-02 15:07:39 UTC
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Post by abelard
On 2 Nov 2019 11:04:36 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Chang
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
Boris has had full on daily publiciry foir MONTHS
Nigel and TBP have received little or no coverage.
He has onbly just begin to set out his stall.
We know that a massive amount of peole have voted |TBP in te European
elections, and could do in natioanl if they were cionvinced that TPB is a
cometent real possible government or opposition nationally.
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
will do any better in a general election than UKIP
did given that there is more chance of a non BRINO
now than in the last general election.
I expect Farage’s outfit to pick up a few million votes but spread so
thinly around the country it adds up to sweet fuck all in Parliament, just
like UKIP. But those several million voters will be culled from the Tory
vote more than the Labour vote and that will make a difference in plenty of
places.
it is irrational to vote for farage's vanity project....
As if that's ever stopped voters supporting a party en masse.
Post by abelard
so why do you believe there are sufficient irrational people
who will vote for him?
Do you believe his share of irrational vote will be squeezed by other
irrational parties?

Regards,

James
abelard
2019-11-02 15:22:55 UTC
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On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 15:07:39 +0000, James Hammerton
Post by James Hammerton
Post by abelard
On 2 Nov 2019 11:04:36 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Chang
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
Boris has had full on daily publiciry foir MONTHS
Nigel and TBP have received little or no coverage.
He has onbly just begin to set out his stall.
We know that a massive amount of peole have voted |TBP in te European
elections, and could do in natioanl if they were cionvinced that TPB is a
cometent real possible government or opposition nationally.
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
will do any better in a general election than UKIP
did given that there is more chance of a non BRINO
now than in the last general election.
I expect Farage’s outfit to pick up a few million votes but spread so
thinly around the country it adds up to sweet fuck all in Parliament, just
like UKIP. But those several million voters will be culled from the Tory
vote more than the Labour vote and that will make a difference in plenty of
places.
it is irrational to vote for farage's vanity project....
As if that's ever stopped voters supporting a party en masse.
Post by abelard
so why do you believe there are sufficient irrational people
who will vote for him?
Do you believe his share of irrational vote will be squeezed by other
irrational parties?
there's certainly plenty to spread around

but having chosen a religion, much becomes invested in that religion

l. ron has his devotees...so does farago...but my impression is
that the forage congregation is quite small compared with the
fascist/socialist cult, or even with the global denialists

if i am to assume that there is a big constituency for brexit...
as the 17 million+ inclines me...
i don't see farago clinging to anything but the rags and
tatters of the old bnp or some such...

all my **fairly** sane but idealistic sources seem to regard
farago as a racist/lunatic...
his present behaviour is my first indicative evidence that
he just may be...
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Chang
2019-11-02 17:38:47 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Chang
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
Boris has had full on daily publiciry foir MONTHS
Nigel and TBP have received little or no coverage.
He has onbly just begin to set out his stall.
We know that a massive amount of peole have voted |TBP in te European
elections, and could do in natioanl if they were cionvinced that TPB is a
cometent real possible government or opposition nationally.
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
will do any better in a general election than UKIP
did given that there is more chance of a non BRINO
now than in the last general election.
I expect Farage’s outfit to pick up a few million votes but spread so
thinly around the country it adds up to sweet fuck all in Parliament, just
like UKIP.
Yeah, me too, and fewer than UKIP got, just because the
deal that Boris ended up with is less of a BRINO than May's.
Post by Stephen Cole
But those several million voters will be culled
from the Tory vote more than the Labour vote
and that will make a difference in plenty of places.
But the problem Labour has is that Labour seats will be
decimated by so many noticing that he's a Trot and a
Marxist that couldn’t even manage a viable shadow
cabinet. Although admittedly the voters do have
very shott memories and may well have forgotten
the shadow cabinet fiasco by now.

It is clear from the result the LD has got in the last
3 GEs that quite a few voters will change their vote
and imo that is a real worry for Labour now. Tho
you can certainly make the case that Labour voters
arent LD voters. The polls do show plenty of royally
pissed off Labour voters tho and we did see what
they were prepared to do with pissed off with
Blair and Brown and that they had previously
never given Labour more than a single term.

It is very clear that enough of the voters don’t
like hard left politics at all and it remains to be
seen if Corbyn's bribes like killing student loan
debt will appeal to enough too stupid to notice
that his bribes are unaffordable to make a difference.
michael adams
2019-11-02 17:46:43 UTC
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Post by Chang
But the problem Labour has is that Labour seats will be
decimated by so many noticing that he's a Trot and a
Marxist
Such terms are meaningless to anyone under 40 who at a guess are his
target demographic. Similarly with the anti semitism smears and
past Sinn Fein/IRA associations.

michael adams

....
Rod Speed
2019-11-02 18:59:36 UTC
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Post by michael adams
Post by Chang
But the problem Labour has is that Labour seats will be
decimated by so many noticing that he's a Trot and a
Marxist
Such terms are meaningless to anyone under 40
Likely.
Post by michael adams
who at a guess are his target demographic.
It appears to be much more recent immigrants.

But how do you explain the slump in the polls for Labour ?

Hard to believe that that is just due to Corbyn's prevaricating,
Post by michael adams
Similarly with the anti semitism smears and past Sinn Fein/IRA
associations.
Yeah, very likely. But there must be still plenty of rusted
on Labour voters, tho not enough to deliver govt.
Peeler
2019-11-02 19:10:08 UTC
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On Sun, 3 Nov 2019 05:59:36 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Post by Rod Speed
Yeah, very likely. But there must be still plenty of rusted
on Labour voters, tho not enough to deliver govt.
Seems to be your lucky night, tonight in Australia: more and more senile
Brits don't see what's the matter with you, eh, senile Rodent? <BG>
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"You are still an idiot and an embarrassment to your country. No wonder
we shipped the likes of you out of the British Isles. Perhaps stupidity
and criminality is inherited after all?"
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Keema's Nan
2019-11-02 19:56:06 UTC
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Post by michael adams
Post by Chang
But the problem Labour has is that Labour seats will be
decimated by so many noticing that he's a Trot and a
Marxist
Such terms are meaningless to anyone under 40 who at a guess are his
target demographic.
Only because they are seen as gullible snowflakes, and easily persuaded by
emotional bullshit.
Post by michael adams
Similarly with the anti semitism smears and
past Sinn Fein/IRA associations.
michael adams
....
Peeler
2019-11-02 18:31:45 UTC
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On Sun, 3 Nov 2019 04:38:47 +1100, Chang, better known as cantankerous
Post by Chang
But the problem
The problem is that you are a senile trolling piece of Australian shit!
--
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"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
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Roger Hayter
2019-11-02 19:29:23 UTC
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Post by Chang
Post by Chang
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won't do that, so
they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
Boris has had full on daily publiciry foir MONTHS
Nigel and TBP have received little or no coverage.
He has onbly just begin to set out his stall.
We know that a massive amount of peole have voted |TBP in te European
elections, and could do in natioanl if they were cionvinced that TPB is a
cometent real possible government or opposition nationally.
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
will do any better in a general election than UKIP
did given that there is more chance of a non BRINO
now than in the last general election.
I expect Farage's outfit to pick up a few million votes but spread so
thinly around the country it adds up to sweet fuck all in Parliament, just
like UKIP.
Yeah, me too, and fewer than UKIP got, just because the
deal that Boris ended up with is less of a BRINO than May's.
But those several million voters will be culled
from the Tory vote more than the Labour vote
and that will make a difference in plenty of places.
But the problem Labour has is that Labour seats will be
decimated by so many noticing that he's a Trot and a
Marxist
It is actually possible to be a Trotskyite *without* suffering under the
delusion that one is a Marxist? Or are all Trotskyites simply paid
agents of the capitalists?
--
Roger Hayter
The Natural Philosopher
2019-11-02 19:43:15 UTC
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It is actually possible to be a Trotskyite*without* suffering under the
delusion that one is a Marxist?
Nope.
Or are all Trotskyites simply paid
agents of the capitalists?
That is true as well. But those are simply agents provocateurs...they
dont actually BELIEVE in it.
--
If I had all the money I've spent on drink...
..I'd spend it on drink.

Sir Henry (at Rawlinson's End)
Roger Hayter
2019-11-02 20:06:16 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
It is actually possible to be a Trotskyite*without* suffering under the
delusion that one is a Marxist?
Nope.
Or are all Trotskyites simply paid
agents of the capitalists?
That is true as well. But those are simply agents provocateurs...they
dont actually BELIEVE in it.
Believing in being a Trotskyite is a bit like working for Disney and
believing one is Mickey Mouse.
--
Roger Hayter
The Natural Philosopher
2019-11-02 20:18:10 UTC
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Post by Roger Hayter
Post by The Natural Philosopher
It is actually possible to be a Trotskyite*without* suffering under the
delusion that one is a Marxist?
Nope.
Or are all Trotskyites simply paid
agents of the capitalists?
That is true as well. But those are simply agents provocateurs...they
dont actually BELIEVE in it.
Believing in being a Trotskyite is a bit like working for Disney and
believing one is Mickey Mouse.
No, it isn't.
Not even wrong.
--
“But what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an
hypothesis!”

Mary Wollstonecraft
Chang
2019-11-02 20:01:45 UTC
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Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Chang
Post by Chang
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in
favour
of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won't do that, so
they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
Boris has had full on daily publiciry foir MONTHS
Nigel and TBP have received little or no coverage.
He has onbly just begin to set out his stall.
We know that a massive amount of peole have voted |TBP in te European
elections, and could do in natioanl if they were cionvinced that TPB is
a
cometent real possible government or opposition nationally.
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
will do any better in a general election than UKIP
did given that there is more chance of a non BRINO
now than in the last general election.
I expect Farage's outfit to pick up a few million votes but spread so
thinly around the country it adds up to sweet fuck all in Parliament, just
like UKIP.
Yeah, me too, and fewer than UKIP got, just because the
deal that Boris ended up with is less of a BRINO than May's.
But those several million voters will be culled
from the Tory vote more than the Labour vote
and that will make a difference in plenty of places.
But the problem Labour has is that Labour seats will be
decimated by so many noticing that he's a Trot and a
Marxist
It is actually possible to be a Trotskyite *without* suffering under the
delusion that one is a Marxist?
The Trots are one type of Marxist. Differing
on policy from Stalinists, Leninists etc.
Post by Roger Hayter
Or are all Trotskyites simply paid agents of the capitalists?
They have never been agents of capitalists.
The Natural Philosopher
2019-11-02 20:09:54 UTC
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Post by Chang
Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Chang
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in
favour
of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won't do
that, so
Post by Chang
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
Boris has had full on daily publiciry foir MONTHS
Nigel and TBP have received little or no coverage.
He has onbly just begin to set out his stall.
We know that a massive amount of peole have voted |TBP in te
European
Post by Chang
Post by The Natural Philosopher
elections, and could do in natioanl if they were cionvinced that
TPB >>> is
Post by Chang
Post by The Natural Philosopher
a
cometent real possible government or opposition nationally.
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
will do any better in a general election than UKIP
did given that there is more chance of a non BRINO
now than in the last general election.
I expect Farage's outfit to pick up a few million votes but spread so
thinly around the country it adds up to sweet fuck all in
Parliament, > just
like UKIP.
Yeah, me too, and fewer than UKIP got, just because the
deal that Boris ended up with is less of a BRINO than May's.
But those several million voters will be culled
from the Tory vote more than the Labour vote
and that will make a difference in plenty of places.
But the problem Labour has is that Labour seats will be
decimated by so many noticing that he's a Trot and a
Marxist
It is actually possible to be a Trotskyite *without* suffering under the
delusion that one is a Marxist?
The Trots are one type of Marxist. Differing
on policy from Stalinists, Leninists etc.
Post by Roger Hayter
Or are all Trotskyites simply paid agents of the capitalists?
They have never been agents of capitalists.
hahahaha

Toady, who isn;t?
--
Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early
twenty-first century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a
globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and,
on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer
projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to
contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.

Richard Lindzen
Peeler
2019-11-02 20:15:51 UTC
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On Sun, 3 Nov 2019 07:01:45 +1100, Chang, better known as cantankerous
Post by Chang
The Trots are one type of Marxist. Differing
on policy from Stalinists, Leninists etc.
Wanna bet that ALL of them would consider you a sick asshole, if they knew
you, senile Rodent? <G>
--
***@down.the.farm about senile Rot Speed:
"This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage."
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Keema's Nan
2019-11-02 19:49:39 UTC
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Post by Chang
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Chang
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so
they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
Boris has had full on daily publiciry foir MONTHS
Nigel and TBP have received little or no coverage.
He has onbly just begin to set out his stall.
We know that a massive amount of peole have voted |TBP in te European
elections, and could do in natioanl if they were cionvinced that TPB is a
cometent real possible government or opposition nationally.
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
will do any better in a general election than UKIP
did given that there is more chance of a non BRINO
now than in the last general election.
I expect Farage’s outfit to pick up a few million votes but spread so
thinly around the country it adds up to sweet fuck all in Parliament, just
like UKIP.
Yeah, me too, and fewer than UKIP got, just because the
deal that Boris ended up with is less of a BRINO than May's.
What the fuck is a BRINO?

Is this another attempt to mention acronyms as a way of convincing someone
you are an expert when you are far from it?
Post by Chang
Post by Stephen Cole
But those several million voters will be culled
from the Tory vote more than the Labour vote
and that will make a difference in plenty of places.
But the problem Labour has is that Labour seats will be
decimated by so many noticing that he's a Trot and a
Marxist that couldn’t even manage a viable shadow
cabinet. Although admittedly the voters do have
very shott memories and may well have forgotten
the shadow cabinet fiasco by now.
It is clear from the result the LD has got in the last
3 GEs that quite a few voters will change their vote
and imo that is a real worry for Labour now. Tho
you can certainly make the case that Labour voters
arent LD voters. The polls do show plenty of royally
pissed off Labour voters tho and we did see what
they were prepared to do with pissed off with
Blair and Brown and that they had previously
never given Labour more than a single term.
It is very clear that enough of the voters don’t
like hard left politics at all and it remains to be
seen if Corbyn's bribes like killing student loan
debt will appeal to enough too stupid to notice
that his bribes are unaffordable to make a difference.
The Natural Philosopher
2019-11-02 19:53:26 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
What the fuck is a BRINO?
Gos you are ill informed
BRexit in In Name Only.

A politcal fudge where technically we have left but the reality is that
nothing has changed...
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people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason
they are poor.

Peter Thompson
Keema's Nan
2019-11-02 20:02:49 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Keema's Nan
What the fuck is a BRINO?
Gos you are ill informed
BRexit in In Name Only.
Wouldn’t that be BRIINO?

I’m no further ill informed than you are thick.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
A politcal fudge where technically we have left but the reality is that
nothing has changed...
So basically, bullshit dressed up as a ‘clever’ acronym.

Pathetic.
The Natural Philosopher
2019-11-02 20:10:18 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Keema's Nan
What the fuck is a BRINO?
Gos you are ill informed
BRexit in In Name Only.
Wouldn’t that be BRIINO?
I’m no further ill informed than you are thick.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
A politcal fudge where technically we have left but the reality is that
nothing has changed...
So basically, bullshit dressed up as a ‘clever’ acronym.
Pathetic.
Oh dear.
Bless
--
Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early
twenty-first century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a
globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and,
on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer
projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to
contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.

Richard Lindzen
Roger Hayter
2019-11-02 20:06:16 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
wrote: > >
wrote: > > On 01/11/2019 11:58, Stephen Cole wrote: > > > I hate to
say I told you so, but I told you so! > > > > > > Farage is
contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in > > > favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, > > > won't do
that, so they are, of course, now doomed in the > > > General
Election. > > > > > > Labour landslide forthcoming. > > > > Not if
the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day... >
Boris has had full on daily publiciry foir MONTHS > > Nigel and TBP
have received little or no coverage. > > He has onbly just begin to
set out his stall. We know that a > massive amount of peole have
voted |TBP in te European elections, > and could do in natioanl if
they were cionvinced that TPB is a > cometent real possible
government or opposition nationally.
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP will do any
better in a general election than UKIP did given that there is more
chance of a non BRINO now than in the last general election.
I expect Farage's outfit to pick up a few million votes but spread so
thinly around the country it adds up to sweet fuck all in Parliament,
just like UKIP.
Yeah, me too, and fewer than UKIP got, just because the
deal that Boris ended up with is less of a BRINO than May's.
What the fuck is a BRINO?
Is this another attempt to mention acronyms as a way of convincing someone
you are an expert when you are far from it?
It was a term invented by the ultra-right (Brexit in name only) to
jusfity their rejection of May's deal; it was always a Brexit-wrecking
piece of hyporcrisy because May's deal was a *tranisitional*
arrangement, which did nothing to prevent the most extreme Brexit being
negotiated after leaving. Why the ERG wanted to wreck Brexit is one of
those interesting questions, like why Blair wanted to invade Iraq. Not
that I can't think of several possibilities for either, but in both
cases their ostensible reasons were transparent lies.
--
Roger Hayter
The Natural Philosopher
2019-11-02 20:17:40 UTC
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Post by Roger Hayter
It was a term invented by the ultra-right (Brexit in name only) to
jusfity their rejection of May's deal;
Christ on a bike you like to lie, and are nasty with it.

Ultra-right?

You will get a shock if you ever meet one.,
--
“But what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an
hypothesis!”

Mary Wollstonecraft
Keema's Nan
2019-11-02 21:54:10 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Roger Hayter
It was a term invented by the ultra-right (Brexit in name only) to
jusfity their rejection of May's deal;
Christ on a bike you like to lie, and are nasty with it.
So you are a white supremacist.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Ultra-right?
You will get a shock if you ever meet one.,
They carry tasers? Thanks for the warning; I thought it was just kitchen
knives.

Keema's Nan
2019-11-02 21:44:32 UTC
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Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Keema's Nan
wrote: > >
wrote: > > On 01/11/2019 11:58, Stephen Cole wrote:>>> I hate to
say I told you so, but I told you so! > > > > > > Farage is
contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in > > > favour of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, > > > won't do
that, so they are, of course, now doomed in the > > > General
Election. > > > > > > Labour landslide forthcoming. > > > >
Not if
the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...>
Boris has had full on daily publiciry foir MONTHS > > Nigel and TBP
have received little or no coverage. > > He has onbly just begin to
set out his stall. We know that a > massive amount of peole have
voted |TBP in te European elections, > and could do in natioanl if
they were cionvinced that TPB is a > cometent real possible
government or opposition nationally.
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP will do any
better in a general election than UKIP did given that there is more
chance of a non BRINO now than in the last general election.
I expect Farage's outfit to pick up a few million votes but spread so
thinly around the country it adds up to sweet fuck all in Parliament,
just like UKIP.
Yeah, me too, and fewer than UKIP got, just because the
deal that Boris ended up with is less of a BRINO than May's.
What the fuck is a BRINO?
Is this another attempt to mention acronyms as a way of convincing someone
you are an expert when you are far from it?
It was a term invented by the ultra-right (Brexit in name only)
Thanks; which explains why I never knew it.

I am not one of the white supremacists of the ultra-right.
Post by Roger Hayter
to
jusfity their rejection of May's deal; it was always a Brexit-wrecking
piece of hyporcrisy because May's deal was a *tranisitional*
arrangement, which did nothing to prevent the most extreme Brexit being
negotiated after leaving. Why the ERG wanted to wreck Brexit is one of
those interesting questions, like why Blair wanted to invade Iraq. Not
that I can't think of several possibilities for either, but in both
cases their ostensible reasons were transparent lies.
Chang
2019-11-02 20:08:30 UTC
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Post by Chang
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Chang
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in
favour
of
crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that, so
they
are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Not if the Tories are still well ahead in the polls on election day...
Boris has had full on daily publiciry foir MONTHS
Nigel and TBP have received little or no coverage.
He has onbly just begin to set out his stall.
We know that a massive amount of peole have voted |TBP in te European
elections, and could do in natioanl if they were cionvinced that TPB is
a
cometent real possible government or opposition nationally.
The problem for Farage is that its unlikely that TBP
will do any better in a general election than UKIP
did given that there is more chance of a non BRINO
now than in the last general election.
I expect Farage’s outfit to pick up a few million votes but spread so
thinly around the country it adds up to sweet fuck all in Parliament, just
like UKIP.
Yeah, me too, and fewer than UKIP got, just because the
deal that Boris ended up with is less of a BRINO than May's.
What the fuck is a BRINO?
Brexit in name only.
Post by Keema's Nan
Is this another attempt to mention
acronyms as a way of convincing someone
you are an expert when you are far from it?
Nope, just an abbreviation like brexit.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Chang
Post by Stephen Cole
But those several million voters will be culled
from the Tory vote more than the Labour vote
and that will make a difference in plenty of places.
But the problem Labour has is that Labour seats will be
decimated by so many noticing that he's a Trot and a
Marxist that couldn’t even manage a viable shadow
cabinet. Although admittedly the voters do have
very shott memories and may well have forgotten
the shadow cabinet fiasco by now.
It is clear from the result the LD has got in the last
3 GEs that quite a few voters will change their vote
and imo that is a real worry for Labour now. Tho
you can certainly make the case that Labour voters
arent LD voters. The polls do show plenty of royally
pissed off Labour voters tho and we did see what
they were prepared to do with pissed off with
Blair and Brown and that they had previously
never given Labour more than a single term.
It is very clear that enough of the voters don’t
like hard left politics at all and it remains to be
seen if Corbyn's bribes like killing student loan
debt will appeal to enough too stupid to notice
that his bribes are unaffordable to make a difference.
Peeler
2019-11-02 20:17:52 UTC
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On Sun, 3 Nov 2019 07:08:30 +1100, Chang, better known as cantankerous
Post by Chang
Post by Keema's Nan
What the fuck is a BRINO?
Brexit in name only.
Someone answered that already, you fucked up idiot! Just what in hell makes
you believe that anyone's answer will only be valid when YOU confirm, you
self-opinionated, self-important, trolling senile pest from Oz?
--
Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 85-year-old trolling senile
cretin from Oz:
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/rod-speed-faq.2973853/
Ophelia
2019-11-02 20:12:47 UTC
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"Keema's Nan" wrote in message news:***@news.giganews.com...


What the fuck is a BRINO?

Is this another attempt to mention acronyms as a way of convincing someone
you are an expert when you are far from it?

===

Brexit in name only:(((
The Natural Philosopher
2019-11-02 20:19:21 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
What the fuck is a BRINO?
Is this another attempt to mention acronyms as a way of convincing someone
you are an expert when you are far from it?
===
  Brexit in name only:(((
Its amazing how ill informed and thick some people are.

Probably comes from reading the guardian
--
“But what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an
hypothesis!”

Mary Wollstonecraft
Rod Speed
2019-11-01 23:21:50 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour
of crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that,
so they are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Completely off with the fucking fairys, as always.
Peeler
2019-11-01 22:28:44 UTC
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On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 10:21:50 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Post by Rod Speed
Completely off with the fucking fairys, as always.
...says of course the clinically insane senile idiot who gets up EVERY NIGHT
between 1 and 4 am in Australia, just so he can pester people on Usenet with
his idiotic senile trolling!
--
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cretin from Oz:
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/rod-speed-faq.2973853/
Vidcapper
2019-11-02 06:54:55 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour
of crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that,
so they are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Completely off with the fucking fairys, as always.
He's totally ignoring the polls...
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
Stephen Cole
2019-11-02 07:33:11 UTC
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Post by Vidcapper
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour
of crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that,
so they are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Completely off with the fucking fairys, as always.
He's totally ignoring the polls...
Yes, I am indeed.

“Opinion polls are a device for influencing public opinion, not a device
for measuring it. Crack that, and it all makes sense.” - Peter Hitchens.

Hitchens actually wrote an interesting article about that quote, after it
had been picked up and spread widely on Twitter:

https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2017/05/my-first-epistle-to-the-corbynites-dont-get-me-wrong-about-the-polls.html

Long story short, the polls aren’t to be trusted, not necessarily because
they’re inherently and intentionally corrupt in their data-gathering and
questioning but because the final presentation and interpretation of them
as Hard Fact is irresponsible and foolish, at best, and designed to mislead
and wrongly influence, at worst. You’re more than welcome to believe the
polls if it brings you comfort, though.
--
M0TEY // STC
www.twitter.com/ukradioamateur
Norman Wells
2019-11-02 08:40:42 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Vidcapper
He's totally ignoring the polls...
Yes, I am indeed.
“Opinion polls are a device for influencing public opinion, not a device
for measuring it. Crack that, and it all makes sense.” - Peter Hitchens.
Hitchens actually wrote an interesting article about that quote, after it
https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2017/05/my-first-epistle-to-the-corbynites-dont-get-me-wrong-about-the-polls.html
Long story short, the polls aren’t to be trusted, not necessarily because
they’re inherently and intentionally corrupt in their data-gathering and
questioning but because the final presentation and interpretation of them
as Hard Fact is irresponsible and foolish, at best, and designed to mislead
and wrongly influence, at worst.
How do you account for them all being in general agreement then? Are
they all biassed the same way?
Post by Stephen Cole
You’re more than welcome to believe the
polls if it brings you comfort, though.
Hard to see what else to believe.

Any ideas?
Keema's Nan
2019-11-02 08:51:32 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Vidcapper
He's totally ignoring the polls...
Yes, I am indeed.
“Opinion polls are a device for influencing public opinion, not a device
for measuring it. Crack that, and it all makes sense.” - Peter Hitchens.
Hitchens actually wrote an interesting article about that quote, after it
https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2017/05/my-first-epistle-to-the-corb
ynites-dont-get-me-wrong-about-the-polls.html
Long story short, the polls aren’t to be trusted, not necessarily because
they’re inherently and intentionally corrupt in their data-gathering and
questioning but because the final presentation and interpretation of them
as Hard Fact is irresponsible and foolish, at best, and designed to mislead
and wrongly influence, at worst.
How do you account for them all being in general agreement then? Are
they all biassed the same way?
Post by Stephen Cole
You’re more than welcome to believe the
polls if it brings you comfort, though.
Hard to see what else to believe.
Any ideas?
I think there is a lobster somewhere that picks up either a red or a blue
rock.

And don’t forget the doughnut maker in Lancashire who tops his products
with red, blue and yellow icing - then lets the punters (human doughnuts)
choose which they prefer.
The Todal
2019-11-02 11:25:36 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Vidcapper
He's totally ignoring the polls...
Yes, I am indeed.
“Opinion polls are a device for influencing public opinion, not a device
for measuring it. Crack that, and it all makes sense.” - Peter Hitchens.
Hitchens actually wrote an interesting article about that quote, after it
https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2017/05/my-first-epistle-to-the-corbynites-dont-get-me-wrong-about-the-polls.html
Long story short, the polls aren’t to be trusted, not necessarily because
they’re inherently and intentionally corrupt in their data-gathering and
questioning but because the final presentation and interpretation of them
as Hard Fact is irresponsible and foolish, at best, and designed to mislead
and wrongly influence, at worst.
How do you account for them all being in general agreement then?  Are
they all biassed the same way?
They are measuring the current popularity of a government that has been
given lots of favourable publicity. Boris's Triumph. Boris who pulled
off a deal that nobody thought would be possible. Boris who defeated the
Backstop.

It is of course all No.10 spin. He defeated the backstop by agreeing to
that border in the Irish Sea that he had previously said would be
totally unacceptable to him and to Ireland.

And gradually, the truth will out. We have not only God on our side, we
have Farage on our side. This shabby, sell-out deal is the only
achievement Boris has managed in his months of power. He's a blowhard
who doesn't keep his promises. But a bloody fine after-dinner speaker,
it must be said.
Post by Stephen Cole
You’re more than welcome to believe the
polls if it brings you comfort, though.
Hard to see what else to believe.
Any ideas?
History. Experience.
Vidcapper
2019-11-02 15:07:34 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by Stephen Cole
You’re more than welcome to believe the
polls if it brings you comfort, though.
Hard to see what else to believe.
Any ideas?
Exactly - if they're wrong, then the GR result will show by how much,
but just *claiming* they must be wrong 'because of what happened last
time' is not justifiable without evidence.
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
abelard
2019-11-02 15:10:50 UTC
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Post by Vidcapper
Post by Norman Wells
You’re more than welcome to believe the
polls if it brings you comfort, though.
Hard to see what else to believe.
Any ideas?
Exactly - if they're wrong, then the GR result will show by how much,
but just *claiming* they must be wrong 'because of what happened last
time' is not justifiable without evidence.
evidence? evidence??? you must be one of those radials
i keep hearing about!
--
www.abelard.org
Joe
2019-11-02 19:01:10 UTC
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On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 15:07:34 +0000
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Stephen Cole
You’re more than welcome to believe the
polls if it brings you comfort, though.
Hard to see what else to believe.
Any ideas?
Exactly - if they're wrong, then the GR result will show by how much,
but just *claiming* they must be wrong 'because of what happened last
time' is not justifiable without evidence.
The only purpose of opinion polls is to influence peoples' opinions.
--
Joe
Vidcapper
2019-11-02 14:58:54 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour
of crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that,
so they are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Completely off with the fucking fairys, as always.
He's totally ignoring the polls...
Yes, I am indeed.
“Opinion polls are a device for influencing public opinion, not a device
for measuring it. Crack that, and it all makes sense.” - Peter Hitchens.
Hitchens actually wrote an interesting article about that quote, after it
https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2017/05/my-first-epistle-to-the-corbynites-dont-get-me-wrong-about-the-polls.html
Long story short, the polls aren’t to be trusted, not necessarily because
they’re inherently and intentionally corrupt in their data-gathering and
questioning but because the final presentation and interpretation of them
as Hard Fact is irresponsible and foolish, at best, and designed to mislead
and wrongly influence, at worst. You’re more than welcome to believe the
polls if it brings you comfort, though.
There's only one poll that matters, and that's due on Dec 12th - if that
goes against you, I'm eager to see how you explain it away...
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
The Natural Philosopher
2019-11-02 08:01:26 UTC
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Post by Vidcapper
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Stephen Cole
I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!
Farage is contesting all seats unless Boris junks his deal in favour
of crashing out with nothing. The Tories, of course, won’t do that,
so they are, of course, now doomed in the General Election.
Labour landslide forthcoming.
Completely off with the fucking fairys, as always.
He's totally ignoring the polls...
Well that is probably a reasonable thing to do at this stage.

But can't see magic grandpa being voted for by ordinary sane people with
mortgages and a family to feed.
--
“People believe certain stories because everyone important tells them,
and people tell those stories because everyone important believes them.
Indeed, when a conventional wisdom is at its fullest strength, one’s
agreement with that conventional wisdom becomes almost a litmus test of
one’s suitability to be taken seriously.”

Paul Krugman
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