Best Bach?

[Jitpring]

I recently got Sayage's Bach materials, and now I want some more Bach
recordings. I currently have Angel Romero Plays Bach, Disk 4 of the
Segovia Collection (all Bach on this disk), Parkening: The Great
Recordings (w/ much Bach), along with some other CDs that include Bach.
Is there any cg Bach recording that is widely considered to be the
best? Thanks.

Also, I'm considering playing nothing but Bach for the next year. What
do you think?

[Robert Crim]

Post by Jitpring
Is there any cg Bach recording that is widely considered to be the
best? Thanks.

http://tinyurl.com/dmjxv

Robert

[Roscoe Heywood]

Post by Robert Crim

Post by Jitpring
Is there any cg Bach recording that is widely considered to be the
best? Thanks.

http://tinyurl.com/dmjxv
Robert

Careful anochap,er I mean jitprig, I see this guy recorded some Beatle
arrangements. Ask your self wwpd?(what would Plato do?) Try John
Williams plays Bach Lute Suites, then give them a go yourself. about a
years work for the average player.

[Jitpring]

anochap? Huh?

Anyway, thanks for the recommendations!

[Mark & Steven Bornfeld]

Post by Robert Crim

Post by Jitpring
Is there any cg Bach recording that is widely considered to be the
best? Thanks.

http://tinyurl.com/dmjxv
Robert

I think Sollscher's my favorite Bach on guitar.
I'd say Yamashita's Bach recordings also should be heard.
I'm guessing you've told us who's recorded your favorite Bach for lute,
but I don't recall who.
Thanks to you and others for recommending the Robert Barto Weiss
recordings--just great!

Steve

[Robert Crim]

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:51:15 GMT, Mark & Steven Bornfeld

Post by Mark & Steven Bornfeld
I'm guessing you've told us who's recorded your favorite Bach for lute,
but I don't recall who.

Nigel North Bach on the Lute Box Set:

* Volumes 1 & 2 Sonatas and Partitas for solo violin BWV 1001-1006
* in new transcriptions for Lute by Nigel North
* Linn Records CKD 013 and 029 (1994)

* Volumes 3 & 4 Suites for solo cello BWV 1007-1012
* in new transcriptions for Lute by Nigel North
* Linn Records CKD 049 & 055 (1996)

Get it at: http://tinyurl.com/7r9y9. Best $50 you'll ever spend.

Robert

[Mark & Steven Bornfeld]

Post by Robert Crim
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:51:15 GMT, Mark & Steven Bornfeld

Post by Mark & Steven Bornfeld
I'm guessing you've told us who's recorded your favorite Bach for lute,
but I don't recall who.

* Volumes 1 & 2 Sonatas and Partitas for solo violin BWV 1001-1006
* in new transcriptions for Lute by Nigel North
* Linn Records CKD 013 and 029 (1994)
* Volumes 3 & 4 Suites for solo cello BWV 1007-1012
* in new transcriptions for Lute by Nigel North
* Linn Records CKD 049 & 055 (1996)
Get it at: http://tinyurl.com/7r9y9. Best $50 you'll ever spend.
Robert

Thanks--will do!

Steve

[Matanya Ophee]

Post by Jitpring
I recently got Sayage's Bach materials, and now I want some more Bach
recordings. I currently have Angel Romero Plays Bach, Disk 4 of the
Segovia Collection (all Bach on this disk), Parkening: The Great
Recordings (w/ much Bach), along with some other CDs that include Bach.
Is there any cg Bach recording that is widely considered to be the
best? Thanks.

For my money: Luigi Attademo on Nicolo (NIC 1021). Contains BWV 1003
and BWV 1008. Best Bach I have ever heard, bar none (except of course,
Henryk Szering, Mstislav Rostropovich, Martin Galling, Maurice
Gendron, Pablo Casals, Michael Murray....)



Matanya Ophee
Editions Orphe'e, Inc.,
1240 Clubview Blvd. N.
Columbus, OH 43235-1226
614-846-9517
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http://www.orphee.com
http://www.livejournal.com/users/matanya/

[Jay Stevens]

I agree with your list aside from Casals. In my opinion he over romanticized
the cello suites.
Just my opinion.
To a certain degree it reminds me of listening to Segovia rubato-ing his way
through some of the Bach lute/cello music.
For the Cello suites, in addition to your list, I also like Anner Bylsma,
Janos Starker, Michael Zaretsky, Enrico Mainardi.
Although Bylsma and the Rosty are my personal favorites. Granted though taht
Rosty does play some of the Preludes a bit on the fast side.
I have that solo DVD he did, it's wonderful. I recommend it to anyone
interested.

J

Post by Matanya Ophee
For my money: Luigi Attademo on Nicolo (NIC 1021). Contains BWV 1003
and BWV 1008. Best Bach I have ever heard, bar none (except of course,
Henryk Szering, Mstislav Rostropovich, Martin Galling, Maurice
Gendron, Pablo Casals, Michael Murray....)

[virtual]

Post by Matanya Ophee

Post by Jitpring
I recently got Sayage's Bach materials, and now I want some more Bach
recordings. I currently have Angel Romero Plays Bach, Disk 4 of the
Segovia Collection (all Bach on this disk), Parkening: The Great
Recordings (w/ much Bach), along with some other CDs that include Bach.
Is there any cg Bach recording that is widely considered to be the
best? Thanks.

For my money: Luigi Attademo on Nicolo (NIC 1021). Contains BWV 1003
and BWV 1008. Best Bach I have ever heard, bar none (except of course,
Henryk Szering, Mstislav Rostropovich, Martin Galling, Maurice
Gendron, Pablo Casals, Michael Murray....)
Matanya Ophee
Editions Orphe'e, Inc.,
1240 Clubview Blvd. N.
Columbus, OH 43235-1226
614-846-9517
fax: [phone]
http://www.orphee.com
http://www.livejournal.com/users/matanya/

You don't like Gustav Leonhardt?

[Matanya Ophee]

Post by virtual

Post by Matanya Ophee

Post by Jitpring
I recently got Sayage's Bach materials, and now I want some more Bach
recordings. I currently have Angel Romero Plays Bach, Disk 4 of the
Segovia Collection (all Bach on this disk), Parkening: The Great
Recordings (w/ much Bach), along with some other CDs that include Bach.
Is there any cg Bach recording that is widely considered to be the
best? Thanks.

For my money: Luigi Attademo on Nicolo (NIC 1021). Contains BWV 1003
and BWV 1008. Best Bach I have ever heard, bar none (except of course,
Henryk Szering, Mstislav Rostropovich, Martin Galling, Maurice
Gendron, Pablo Casals, Michael Murray....)
Matanya Ophee
Editions Orphe'e, Inc.,
1240 Clubview Blvd. N.
Columbus, OH 43235-1226
614-846-9517
fax: [phone]
http://www.orphee.com
http://www.livejournal.com/users/matanya/

You don't like Gustav Leonhardt?

Gustav who? Ah, _that_ Gustav. Yea, he is alright, I suppose, but I do
have some built-in resistance to Yea Oldie Musicke pretensions. Wanda
Landowska and E. Power Biggs!~ That's the real ticket. Right?

But let not get away from Luigi, which is what I really want to stress
here.


Matanya Ophee
Editions Orphe'e, Inc.,
1240 Clubview Blvd. N.
Columbus, OH 43235-1226
614-846-9517
fax: [phone]
http://www.orphee.com
http://www.livejournal.com/users/matanya/

[Matti Partonen]

Post by Matanya Ophee

Post by Jitpring
I recently got Sayage's Bach materials, and now I want some more Bach
recordings. I currently have Angel Romero Plays Bach, Disk 4 of the
Segovia Collection (all Bach on this disk), Parkening: The Great
Recordings (w/ much Bach), along with some other CDs that include Bach.
Is there any cg Bach recording that is widely considered to be the
best? Thanks.

For my money: Luigi Attademo on Nicolo (NIC 1021). Contains BWV 1003
and BWV 1008. Best Bach I have ever heard, bar none (except of course,
Henryk Szering, Mstislav Rostropovich, Martin Galling, Maurice
Gendron, Pablo Casals, Michael Murray....)

A coincidence (for me) that you should mention those guys here now.

I have neither listened nor played Bach for a long time, but a few days ago
heard somebody play on guitar the BWV1001 Siciliana as a background for some
TV program. So I picked up an old Segovia recording and Thomas Koenigs'
transcription of it and gave it a go. To better educate myself on this
music, I bought violin recordings of BWV1001-1006; of the available
performers I picked Henryk Szeryng, as his was a name I had heard before.

Back at home I put the disc in the player. My wife, who generally prefers
violin music over anything played on the guitar, joined to listen. One
minute into the Siciliana (I skipped the first movements) her comment was:
"This is terrible! This cannot be intended for solo violin!" And I must say
I agree: I cannot draw any enjoyment of this violin rendition. I do not
think I can fault Szeryng on this; at the moment I feel that the music just
does not sit on solo violin.

Anyway, I intend to listen through the Szeryng discs, just to see if my
perception changes. Meanwhile, I bought guitar recordings of these same
works by Paul Galbraith (the only guitar recordings that were available in
the shop), and it seems this is the rendition of BWV1001-1006 into which I
am going to immerse myself.

Also, I am open to suggestions for other guitar and violin recordings of
BWV1001-1006, as this seems to be music I want get more intimate with.

Matti P.

[a***@acm.org]

Hello Jitpring,

Lately, I've been listening to K. Yamashita's 5 CD set, entitled:

Kazuhito Yamashita Plays J. S. Bach
http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail.asp?sku=308770

If you love Bach and Kazuhito Yamashita, then it's a must buy.

Best Regards,
Andy

[Dave K]

Post by Jitpring
Also, I'm considering playing nothing but Bach for the next year. What
do you think?

Sounds a bit extreme, but I have taken to the "Bach Cleansing diet"
myself for periods of up to two weeks. I think it's healthy. Longer
than that though and I think all the polyphony would start to drive me
nuts...I once attended a performance of a piano player, who did an all
Bach concert. It nearlly baroque me.

-DaveK

[virtual]

Post by Jitpring
I recently got Sayage's Bach materials, and now I want some more Bach
recordings. I currently have Angel Romero Plays Bach, Disk 4 of the
Segovia Collection (all Bach on this disk), Parkening: The Great
Recordings (w/ much Bach), along with some other CDs that include Bach.
Is there any cg Bach recording that is widely considered to be the
best? Thanks.
Also, I'm considering playing nothing but Bach for the next year. What
do you think?

And you'll eat only filet mignon for a year!

[Jitpring]

It looks like there's no general agreement as to a definitive Bach
recording. I listened to the Yamashita samples. Very impressive.

[[e-mail]]

Post by Jitpring
Also, I'm considering playing nothing but Bach for the next year. What
do you think?

not a good move, you need to read other music.

Ed Bridge

[Jitpring]

Ed, you're probably right. As Dave suggested, so much Bach might make
me even more nuts. On the other hand, it may turn me into a saint.

[Dave K]

Post by Jitpring
Ed, you're probably right. As Dave suggested, so much Bach might make
me even more nuts. On the other hand, it may turn me into a saint.

There was an *excellent* thread awhile ago, which of course I started,
called "Playing Bach Well." You can look in the google archives.

One of the thoughts I have had about Bach is that you are much less in
danger of having a "repertoire imbalance" problem focusing on Bach. In
other words, if 25% of your repertoire was, say, Leo Brouwer, that's
too much Brouwer relative to your other repertoire. But if it's 25%
Bach, you're ok. This isn't a rating of the composers, but speaks to
the universality of Bach's music. Hell I can't really explain it.
Much smarter people than me posted in that thread...

[Dave K]

Post by Dave K

Post by Jitpring
Ed, you're probably right. As Dave suggested, so much Bach might make
me even more nuts. On the other hand, it may turn me into a saint.

There was an *excellent* thread awhile ago, which of course I started,
called "Playing Bach Well." You can look in the google archives.
One of the thoughts I have had about Bach is that you are much less in
danger of having a "repertoire imbalance" problem focusing on Bach. In
other words, if 25% of your repertoire was, say, Leo Brouwer, that's
too much Brouwer relative to your other repertoire. But if it's 25%
Bach, you're ok. This isn't a rating of the composers, but speaks to
the universality of Bach's music. Hell I can't really explain it.
Much smarter people than me posted in that thread...

Smarter people like Stanley Yates saying stuff like

"Within any contrapuntal strand (in fact within almost any recurring
musical
element) Bach relentlessly sets up and defies our expectations, from
phrase
to phrase, measure to measure, and beat to beat. Lawrence Dreyfus, in
his
"Bach and the Patterns of Invention" refers to this as "composing
agaonst
the grain" - a great term for it. The degree to which Bach does this
was,
unique for his period. So, one thing required to play Bach well is the
abilility to repsond to a constantly changing accentual hierarchy. What
is
common in much Bach playing however (something which has even appeared
in
print as an interpretive "idea"), is the notion of an opening
generative
cell - whose accentuation structure is then imposed on all that
follows. "

[Jitpring]

Dave, this looks like an luminous thread. I'm going to have to study
it. Thanks for pointing the way.

[Dave K]

Post by Jitpring
Dave, this looks like an luminous thread. I'm going to have to study
it. Thanks for pointing the way.

Good times. :)

When you ask this group the right question the great minds here really
show their stuff. Educational and humbling.

[n***@yahoo.co.uk]

Regarding various other C.D. recordings of Bach on the guitar and they
are numerous, don't forget to check out M. Barrueco,Franz Halasz, Paul
Galbraith, D.Russell, Frederic Zigante, Eduardo Fernandez, Sharon
Isbin( if you like lots of ornaments!) and the list goes on.
Personally like many others would say, to concentrate on Bach at the
exclusion of everything else could be counter productive, but to play
and learn some Bach everyday is no bad idea. However , depending on
how long you've been playing you really should give yourself years( or
tens of years?) to learn the more substantial Bach works well. Good
luck!

[jw]

Post by n***@yahoo.co.uk
Regarding various other C.D. recordings of Bach on the guitar and they
are numerous, don't forget to check out M. Barrueco,Franz Halasz, Paul
Galbraith, D.Russell, Frederic Zigante, Eduardo Fernandez, Sharon
Isbin( if you like lots of ornaments!) and the list goes on.

On guitar [lute suites]:
Stephan Schmidt
Goran Sollscher

On lute [lute suites]:
Eduardo Eguez
Hopkinson Smith

also on lute: [Sonatas & Partitas + Cello Suites]:
Nigel North


jw

[Jitpring]

My perfectionism insists: "...a luminous...."

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[Jitpring]

Now that's a great scene: sitting by the fire, drinking wine, and
playing Bach on the cg. Thanks for that image.

Your taste for Bach surely indicates that the divine spark lives within
you. Of course, it exists alongside original sin, thus your
simultaneous attraction to the darkness. I like this, as it's entirely
human.

[saraband]

Post by Jitpring
Your taste for Bach surely indicates that the divine spark lives within
you.

Does this mean that someone who doesn't like Bach can't have the divine
spark live within them? What about someone who has grown up in a
remote spot and never heard the music of Bach? Can the divine
spark live within them? What about someone born before 1685? Can the
divine spark live within them?

What about an athiest who loves Bach but doesn't like divine sparks?
Maybe they had a bad experience playing with matches as a child. Can an
arsonphobic athiest opt out of the divine spark thing and still love the
music of Bach?

[Roscoe Heywood]

Post by saraband

Post by saraband
What about an athiest who loves Bach but doesn't like divine sparks?

Maybe they had a bad experience playing with matches as a child. Can an
arsonphobic athiest opt out of the divine spark thing and still love the
music of Bach?

With the help of Psychotrophic drugs, he can experience a
secular-humanist spark.

[Robert Crim]

Post by ***@earthlink.net

Post by Jitpring
Ed, you're probably right.

yep but what I did'nt say was: there are nights like tonight that all
I did was sit in my old soft chair with my old guitar play the Cello
stuff all night and dream at the fire between movements and pour some
more red wine.

Post by Jitpring
. On the other hand, it may turn me into a saint.

Saint? I thinking playing Bach all the time may bring you closer to
the dark side of whores and ruff people like me.
I do love Bach's Cello and Violin music but I also found myself
tonight singing "whiskey lullaby" which works well with Bach. Here's
the thing , Bach goes with God but Bach also goes well with dark
smoking rooms ( my den room) and keeping good beat ( my guitar) with
bad company( me and my dog)
Cheers
Ed

What a picture! Ol' Ed jesta sittin' in his easy chair, pickin' his
ol' geetar and drinkin' out of a Mason jar with his dawg at his feet.
It looks like he has taken up that Virginia lifestyle in earnest.

Now if we could just do something about that silly NY accent.....

Robert

[Mark & Steven Bornfeld]

Post by Robert Crim

Post by ***@earthlink.net

Post by Jitpring
Ed, you're probably right.

yep but what I did'nt say was: there are nights like tonight that all
I did was sit in my old soft chair with my old guitar play the Cello
stuff all night and dream at the fire between movements and pour some
more red wine.

Post by Jitpring
. On the other hand, it may turn me into a saint.

Saint? I thinking playing Bach all the time may bring you closer to
the dark side of whores and ruff people like me.
I do love Bach's Cello and Violin music but I also found myself
tonight singing "whiskey lullaby" which works well with Bach. Here's
the thing , Bach goes with God but Bach also goes well with dark
smoking rooms ( my den room) and keeping good beat ( my guitar) with
bad company( me and my dog)
Cheers
Ed

What a picture! Ol' Ed jesta sittin' in his easy chair, pickin' his
ol' geetar and drinkin' out of a Mason jar with his dawg at his feet.
It looks like he has taken up that Virginia lifestyle in earnest.
Now if we could just do something about that silly NY accent.....
Robert

It's really a Joisey accent.

Steve

[[e-mail]]

Post by Robert Crim
What a picture! Ol' Ed jesta sittin' in his easy chair, pickin' his
ol' geetar and drinkin' out of a Mason jar with his dawg at his feet.
It looks like he has taken up that Virginia lifestyle in earnest.

I was born for this lifestyle, Right now I'm in my shop , it's snowing
and I have this nice view on the Mountains, life is good.

Post by Robert Crim
Now if we could just do something about that silly NY accent.....

it's funny , now that I'm out of NY I seem to slap it on NY accent
more becuase I miss it.


Hey Steve

25 years in NYC/Brooklyn and and I seem to have more of _it_ than New
Jersey becasue I'm was from South Jersey which does'nt have a strong
accent.



Ed

[r***@gmail.com]

It's a bit funny in that I don't have any one recording of Bach that I
absolutely love. I'll love the way someone plays a certain section of
the CD but prefer the way someone else does something else. I might
just be strange that way. What are you opinion's on Isbin's recording
of the Lute Suites? I found them technically impressive but way too
sterilized and by the book for my tastes.

As for playing only Bach the whole year, I have to agree with most
people here that that'd not be a wise idea. I always try to have a few
Bach pieces in my repetoire rotation, but you need to read and play
other music. Surprisingly I find that playing other kinds of music from
romantic to 20-21st century stuff actually makes me a much more accute
Bach player.

[Matthew McGrattan]

Post by Jitpring
I recently got Sayage's Bach materials, and now I want some more Bach
recordings. I currently have Angel Romero Plays Bach, Disk 4 of the
Segovia Collection (all Bach on this disk), Parkening: The Great
Recordings (w/ much Bach), along with some other CDs that include Bach.
Is there any cg Bach recording that is widely considered to be the
best? Thanks.
Also, I'm considering playing nothing but Bach for the next year. What
do you think?

I really like Nicholas Goluses CD of the violin sonatas transcribed
for guitar - on Naxos.

Also, Enno Voorhorst's Bach CD. Also on Naxos which has some lovely
transcriptions of some of the harpsichord music, among others.

The Voorhorst in particular, I really like.

John Williams' recording of the lute suites I like but I'm not that
keen on his version of the Chaconne.

My favourite version of the Chaconne is Franco Platino, on his Naxos
recital disc, which also has a few bits of Scarlatti and a nice bit of
Mertz.

Matt

[Carlos Barrientos]

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 12:53:39 +0000, in rec.music.classical.guitar you

Post by Matthew McGrattan

Post by Jitpring
I recently got Sayage's Bach materials, and now I want some more Bach
recordings. I currently have Angel Romero Plays Bach, Disk 4 of the
Segovia Collection (all Bach on this disk), Parkening: The Great
Recordings (w/ much Bach), along with some other CDs that include Bach.
Is there any cg Bach recording that is widely considered to be the
best? Thanks.
Also, I'm considering playing nothing but Bach for the next year. What
do you think?

I really like Nicholas Goluses CD of the violin sonatas transcribed
for guitar - on Naxos.

SUCKED live at FSU. Worse performance I ever experienced of Bach, no
forward driving groove, tempi all over the place, within the peace...
but wait... let me tell you how I really feel.

I was a listener at a performance of Bach's Music by Mr. Goluses at
FSU that I'm certain was an example of his having an off night. I'm
certain a man of his stature and credentials has better performances
than that night.

C


Carlos Barrientos
"mailto:***@sprintmail.com"
Phone: [phone]

"I hear and I forget.
I see and I remember.
I do and I understand."

-- Confucius (Chinese Philosopher) 551-479 B.C.

[David Raleigh Arnold]

Post by Jitpring
I recently got Sayage's Bach materials, and now I want some more Bach
recordings. I currently have Angel Romero Plays Bach, Disk 4 of the
Segovia Collection (all Bach on this disk), Parkening: The Great
Recordings (w/ much Bach), along with some other CDs that include Bach. Is
there any cg Bach recording that is widely considered to be the best?
Thanks.
Also, I'm considering playing nothing but Bach for the next year. What do
you think?

I think "What about the year after that?". daveA

[[e-mail]]

Post by Jitpring
Also, I'm considering playing nothing but Bach for the next year. What
do you think?

before i forget and I think a good a study is Preludes & Fugues from
the Well-Tempered Clavier
Transcribed for guitar by Alfredo S?nchez
http://www.orphee.com/solos/bach.html

as study and rep. I've been using this book , if Bach is on your mind
this is a good way to good.

Peace
Ed

[Jackson Esq.]

I have Richard Sayage's Bach transcriptions, which I think include what
you mention.

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Post by Jackson Esq.
I have Richard Sayage's Bach transcriptions, which I think include what
you mention.

http://www.savageclassical.com/photos.html IF NOT I'm sure it's
somewhere in Richard works. :>) Richard is a hard working person !

Ed

[Frazer Sheppard]

Cello Suite no. 1 is good

Post by ***@earthlink.net

Post by Jitpring
Also, I'm considering playing nothing but Bach for the next year. What
do you think?

before i forget and I think a good a study is Preludes & Fugues from
the Well-Tempered Clavier
Transcribed for guitar by Alfredo S?nchez
http://www.orphee.com/solos/bach.html
as study and rep. I've been using this book , if Bach is on your mind
this is a good way to good.
Peace
Ed