Camilla is alive and well

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Fannie

2004-06-02 06:18:38 UTC

She is trying so hard to be stylish ~aka~ Diana. But it will never
happen, try as she might with all of the royal stylists behind her. BOW
WOW~~!

Gillian White

2004-06-02 07:18:27 UTC

Post by Fannie
She is trying so hard to be stylish ~aka~ Diana. But it will never
happen, try as she might with all of the royal stylists behind her.

I seriously doubt that Camilla has any intention of emulating Diana's style.
She is dressing the way any other woman of her age would dress when
attending this type of function - a nice smart, boring suit, with a string
of matching pearls.

Now if she had turned up wearing a Gaultier basque, or an off the shoulder,
thigh length cocktail dress, then I could see your point...

Gillian

Sacha

2004-06-02 09:32:38 UTC

Post by Gillian White

Post by Fannie
She is trying so hard to be stylish ~aka~ Diana. But it will never
happen, try as she might with all of the royal stylists behind her.

I seriously doubt that Camilla has any intention of emulating Diana's style.
She is dressing the way any other woman of her age would dress when
attending this type of function - a nice smart, boring suit, with a string
of matching pearls.
Now if she had turned up wearing a Gaultier basque, or an off the shoulder,
thigh length cocktail dress, then I could see your point...
Gillian

As you say, what she wore is just what all other English women of her class
and age wear to such occasions. Its not deeply inspiring but it is
perfectly correct. Diana died in her 30s - what she would be wearing now is
anyone's guess but mutton dressed as lamb is never an appealing prospect and
I doubt she'd have failed to dress as would befit her age now.

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Sacha
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s***@webtv.net

2004-06-02 17:04:26 UTC

Gillian White wrote:

I seriously doubt that Camilla has any intention of emulating Diana's
style.

She is dressing the way any other woman of her age would dress when
attending this type of function - a nice smart, boring suit, with a
string of matching pearls.

Now if she had turned up wearing a Gaultier basque, or an off the
shoulder, thigh length cocktail dress, then I could see your point...

Gillian

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Sacha wrote:

As you say, what she wore is just what all other English women of her
class and age wear to such occasions. Its not deeply inspiring but it is
perfectly correct. Diana died in her 30s - what she would be wearing now
is anyone's guess but mutton dressed as lamb is never an appealing
prospect and I doubt she'd have failed to dress as would befit her age
now.
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Sacha

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Su_Texas writes:

Info from the book "Camilla: Her True Story":

Camilla began to wear identical outfits to Diana.
A source said: "I once saw Camilla in the garden with Charles. She was
wearing a bright red sweater and black-and-white checked skirt.
A few days earlier, I had seen a newspaper with a picture of Diana in it
wearing the identical outfit."

"Camilla loathed Diana but she admired her style."

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"Another friend revealed how Camilla only lost her temper once, when the
Sun newspaper revealed how Diana had nicknamed her 'The Rottweiler'."

"She was boiling mad and furious as hell." "She was screaming abuse at
Diana." "She raced into the kitchen and grabbed the paper from the
cook's hands." "I'd never heard Camilla so outraged."

"Another friend from Camilla's inner circle revealed: =A0 'Camilla was
always secretly obsessed by Diana. She would read every word ever
written about the Princess. She would scour newspapers and magazines
looking for stories about Diana. =A0 When a newspaper compared her
unfavorably to Diana, Camilla cancelled it instantly.' "

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Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

Sacha

2004-06-02 19:08:42 UTC

Post by Gillian White
I seriously doubt that Camilla has any intention of emulating Diana's style.
She is dressing the way any other woman of her age would dress when
attending this type of function - a nice smart, boring suit, with a
string of matching pearls.
Now if she had turned up wearing a Gaultier basque, or an off the
shoulder, thigh length cocktail dress, then I could see your point...
Gillian
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As you say, what she wore is just what all other English women of her
class and age wear to such occasions. Its not deeply inspiring but it is
perfectly correct. Diana died in her 30s - what she would be wearing now
is anyone's guess but mutton dressed as lamb is never an appealing
prospect and I doubt she'd have failed to dress as would befit her age
now.
--
Sacha
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Camilla began to wear identical outfits to Diana.
A source said: "I once saw Camilla in the garden with Charles. She was
wearing a bright red sweater and black-and-white checked skirt.
A few days earlier, I had seen a newspaper with a picture of Diana in it
wearing the identical outfit."
"Camilla loathed Diana but she admired her style."
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"Another friend revealed how Camilla only lost her temper once, when the
Sun newspaper revealed how Diana had nicknamed her 'The Rottweiler'."
"She was boiling mad and furious as hell." "She was screaming abuse at
Diana." "She raced into the kitchen and grabbed the paper from the
cook's hands." "I'd never heard Camilla so outraged."
"Another friend from Camilla's inner circle revealed: 'Camilla was
always secretly obsessed by Diana. She would read every word ever
written about the Princess. She would scour newspapers and magazines
looking for stories about Diana. When a newspaper compared her
unfavorably to Diana, Camilla cancelled it instantly.' "
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Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

I've just read that book. I was astounded at how biased the quotes from it
have been on here. Reading those for some considerable time, I'd assumed the
book was trashing Camilla from start to finish. It doesn't.
In fact, such has the bias been on here that having started to read the
book, I closed it to look at the cover to be sure I was reading just that
very book!
The book is rather 'revealing' about Diana and her apparent nastiness. IOW,
there are two sides to every story and it looks as if Charles had one
helluva lot to put up with - from this book's perspective.
Tragically, Diana is dead and doesn't wear anything. Camilla is alive and
wears clothes appropriate to her age and the occasion. There isn't much
else to say, really. How can Camilla copy the style of a woman who has been
dead for 7 years?

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Sacha
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s***@webtv.net

2004-06-03 01:03:15 UTC

Sacha wrote:

I've just read that book. I was astounded at how biased the quotes from
it have been on here.

Reading those for some considerable time, I'd assumed the book was
trashing Camilla from start to finish. It doesn't.

In fact, such has the bias been on here that having started to read the
book, I closed it to look at the cover to be sure I was reading just
that very book!

The book is rather 'revealing' about Diana and her apparent nastiness.
IOW, there are two sides to every story and it looks as if Charles had
one helluva lot to put up with - from this book's perspective.

Tragically, Diana is dead and doesn't wear anything. Camilla is alive
and wears clothes appropriate to her age and the occasion.

There isn't much else to say, really. How can Camilla copy the style of
a woman who has been dead for 7 years?
--
Sacha

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Su_Texas wrote in post from Sept 2002:

From: su-texas, susan (su-***@webtv.net), Subject: Camilla, Her True
Story, View: Complete Thread (24 articles) Original Format, Newsgroups:
alt.gossip.royalty, Date: 2002-09-29 15:38:02 PST, Date: Wed, Sep 25,
2002, 12:26am From: su-***@webtv.net

I am not so much quoting the book, as picking out some of the
factual-type information, & then posting it for discussion purposes.
(That is what we do here, right?)

If you get a copy of the book, & then compare it to what I have written,
you will see this.

Much of this information has been listed in other places anyway, that
is, in other royal biographies and/or in gossip-sheets.

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At present, I am attempting to read, learn, & do psych-type profiles of
some public figures, for relaxation purposes. [I am about to start
radiation therapy for cancer, am rather concerned/worried about it, &
needed some distraction.]

I am also trying to come up with a detailed time-line for some of the
royals, just for fun.
It's sort of like playing a game of solitiare, putting all the facts &
dates together.

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This book seems a very pro-Camilla, pro-Charles, anti-Diana.

It is important to remember this bias, when reading the factual-type
information in it.

If you would like to git down & waller real hard, in what might be
Camilla's mind & mindset, then this here book's fer you. :)

Personally, I admired/liked some things about Diana, & dont enjoy seeing
her "trashed". YMMV

Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

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Su_Texas writes:

A bit slow & forgetful, ain't ya darlin'?

Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

Verna

2004-06-03 03:26:52 UTC

Post by s***@webtv.net
At present, I am attempting to read, learn, & do psych-type profiles of
some public figures, for relaxation purposes. [I am about to start
radiation therapy for cancer, am rather concerned/worried about it, &
needed some distraction.]

I wish you the very best.

Verna

EdStraker

2004-06-03 06:36:04 UTC

Post by s***@webtv.net
There isn't much else to say, really. How can Camilla copy the style of
a woman who has been dead for 7 years?

Women have copied the fashion flair of deceased (and living) female celebrities
for a long time. Diana, Grace Kelly (Diana herself copied Jacqueline Kennedy
and Grace Kelly, according to some books I've read) Jacqueline Kennedy, Audrey
Hepburn, even the Duchess of Windsor, I believe, etc etc. etc. Nothing odd
about that. Men copy males that start fashion trends also. So it's quite
possible CPB may be doing it. Worth gossiping and theorising about, anyway, and
that's the purpose of this n.g.

Post by s***@webtv.net
[I am about to start
radiation therapy for cancer, am rather concerned/worried about it, &
needed some distraction.] <<

My wish for you is rapid healing, future good health and success of a quantity
and quality 500 times larger than CPB's current hat, and courage to get through
this present challenge. I'm fighting illness at the moment, so I know what it's
like.

Post by s***@webtv.net
Personally, I admired/liked some things about Diana, & dont enjoy seeing
her "trashed".<<

Same here, although it sells books, as we all know, or we wouldn't be here
appreciating gossip ;-D . I may not appreciate Charles, or CPB, but they do
good works, and that's what counts. Diana had faults like all of us, magnified
by her status, but she still accomplished a great deal, and that, again, is
what counts.

Ed

Sacha

2004-06-03 07:11:17 UTC

Post by EdStraker

Post by s***@webtv.net
There isn't much else to say, really. How can Camilla copy the style of
a woman who has been dead for 7 years?

But styles have moved on a lot in 7 years. I find now, when looking at
photographs of Diana, that she is 'a fly in amber' in the fashion sense
because she worse some very distinctive clothing that sort of 'fix' the time
in which she wore them. Clothes have changed since then and so has makeup.
Apart from anything else Camilla is in her 50s and is wearing precisely the
clothing a woman of her age would wear to such occasions. Suggesting she is
trying to copy Diana is totally erroneous, IMO. We got the same sort of
thing about Sophie, just because she and Diana are blondes and were
photographed wearing the obligatory head covering in a mosque!
Any smart woman I know would wear the kind of thing that Camilla chose, to
that kind of 'do' because it isn't a 'trend'. It's practically de rigueur.
There is almost a 'uniform' for the English upper classes when it comes to
such occasions, though there is a trend now for the younger women to wear
very smart trousers, even to e.g. weddings.

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Sacha
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Andy.III

2004-06-03 07:23:49 UTC

Post by Sacha
Any smart woman I know would wear the kind of thing that Camilla chose, to
that kind of 'do' because it isn't a 'trend'. It's practically de rigueur.
There is almost a 'uniform' for the English upper classes when it comes to
such occasions,

Indeed so-and that holds true for the Grand Dames of the South as well;
although one doesn't see quite the number of white gloved hands one saw in the
past they aren't entirely gone either - particularly at functions of
organizations that go back generations.

As for Camillia's hat... I know several Southern Church Ladies who would kill
for it! <G>

Andy.III
"Extremism in the destruction of intolerance is NOT a vice"

Sacha

2004-06-03 07:40:20 UTC

Indeed so-and that holds true for the Grand Dames of the South as well;
although one doesn't see quite the number of white gloved hands one saw in the
past they aren't entirely gone either - particularly at functions of
organizations that go back generations.
As for Camillia's hat... I know several Southern Church Ladies who would kill
for it! <G>
Andy.III
"Extremism in the destruction of intolerance is NOT a vice"

I'm always slightly surprised at the reactions here to the hats women wear
in England because they're just so 'normal' as far as I'm concerned though
not for popping down to Sainsbury's obviously!
In fact, so usual is it to wear large hats to e.g. Weddings, that when my
son got married, I asked the Rector how many people the church could hold
and his reply was WTTE, 250 without hats, 200 with hats. ;-)
But from various weddings and other things I've got several such hats stuck
at the top of my wardrobe and I suppose so do quite a few of my other
friends. Things like weddings and garden parties are hat heaven! I think
that perhaps women don't wear hats that much in USA and your style of dress
for e.g. Weddings is quite different to ours. I've seen lots more
photographs of women in long evening dress and men in dinner jackets at
American weddings, than in English style gear.
Gloves seem to be right out of fashion now and are worn only on very cold
weather days! ;-) I think the Queen often wears them but there is, or was,
a 'good manners' notion that you didn't wear gloves to shake someone's hand,
so people were constantly taking them off,, putting them on or putting them
down and losing them. Losing just one was much more annoying. And those
long white evening gloves that had to be un-buttoned and rolled back - what
a pain!

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Sacha
(remove the weeds after garden to email me)

Andy.III

2004-06-03 08:01:32 UTC

Post by Sacha
And those
long white evening gloves that had to be un-buttoned and rolled back - what
a pain!
--
Sacha

True.. where was Velcro when it was REALLY needed?? !! <G>

Andy.III
"Extremism in the destruction of intolerance is NOT a vice"

Sacha

2004-06-03 08:25:09 UTC

Post by Sacha
And those
long white evening gloves that had to be un-buttoned and rolled back - what
a pain!
--
Sacha

True.. where was Velcro when it was REALLY needed?? !! <G>
Andy.III
"Extremism in the destruction of intolerance is NOT a vice"

But imagine the noise!

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Sacha
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Andy.III

2004-06-03 08:36:45 UTC

Post by Sacha
But imagine the noise!
--
Sacha

There is that factor.. one wouldn't be sure if someone had opened her gloves or
ripped her gown!

Andy.III
"Extremism in the destruction of intolerance is NOT a vice"

Anna

2004-06-03 17:43:38 UTC

Indeed so-and that holds true for the Grand Dames of the South as well;
although one doesn't see quite the number of white gloved hands one saw in the
past they aren't entirely gone either - particularly at functions of
organizations that go back generations.
As for Camillia's hat... I know several Southern Church Ladies who would kill
for it! <G>
Andy.III
"Extremism in the destruction of intolerance is NOT a vice"

Not "large hats" in the way you mean, which is the overall diameter,
circumference, design, etc..
LARGE in that the part that sits on her head is too big for her head. Get
it? The wrong hat size, not the wrong hat design.

Sigh.

Anna

Sacha

2004-06-03 20:50:49 UTC

Post by Sacha
Any smart woman I know would wear the kind of thing that Camilla chose,

Post by Sacha
that kind of 'do' because it isn't a 'trend'. It's practically de

rigueur.

Post by Sacha
There is almost a 'uniform' for the English upper classes when it comes

Post by Sacha
such occasions,

Indeed so-and that holds true for the Grand Dames of the South as well;
although one doesn't see quite the number of white gloved hands one saw

in the

Post by Andy.III
past they aren't entirely gone either - particularly at functions of
organizations that go back generations.
As for Camillia's hat... I know several Southern Church Ladies who would

kill

Post by Andy.III
for it! <G>
Andy.III
"Extremism in the destruction of intolerance is NOT a vice"

stuck

Post by Sacha
at the top of my wardrobe and I suppose so do quite a few of my other
friends. Things like weddings and garden parties are hat heaven! I think
that perhaps women don't wear hats that much in USA and your style of

dress

Post by Sacha
for e.g. Weddings is quite different to ours. I've seen lots more
photographs of women in long evening dress and men in dinner jackets at
American weddings, than in English style gear.
Gloves seem to be right out of fashion now and are worn only on very cold
weather days! ;-) I think the Queen often wears them but there is, or

was,

Post by Sacha
a 'good manners' notion that you didn't wear gloves to shake someone's

hand,

Post by Sacha
so people were constantly taking them off,, putting them on or putting

them

Post by Sacha
down and losing them. Losing just one was much more annoying. And those
long white evening gloves that had to be un-buttoned and rolled back -

what

Post by Sacha
a pain!
--
Sacha

Naturally. Camilla is going to go to a couturiere for her outfit and a
milliner for her hat and the milliner is going to persuade her to buy off
the peg in the wrong size. That's what they do so that they can enhance
their reputation. Of course.

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Sacha
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Jean Sue

2004-06-03 18:14:01 UTC

Post by Sacha
I'm always slightly surprised at the reactions here to the hats women wear
in England because they're just so 'normal' as far as I'm concerned though
not for popping down to Sainsbury's obviously!
In fact, so usual is it to wear large hats to e.g. Weddings, that when my
son got married, I asked the Rector how many people the church could hold
and his reply was WTTE, 250 without hats, 200 with hats. ;-)

I think I was the only woman in Scotland wearing a hat over the last two
weeks. No one had them on, even at a wedding we saw.

js

Sacha

2004-06-03 21:02:20 UTC

Post by Jean Sue

I think I was the only woman in Scotland wearing a hat over the last two
weeks. No one had them on, even at a wedding we saw.
js

Some do, some don't. To be honest, some weddings don't happen without hats!
That sounds awful but it's true - as I say - part of the 'uniform'. At the
wedding of a friend's son, she, I and another friend of hers were
photographed. Her father kept the photo on his desk until he died and I am
slightly embarrassed to say that each of us is wearing a suit, a huge hat
and a pearl choker with a diamond brooch on our lapels. It really is total
uniform!
OTOH, the younger members of our family have been to a recent wedding where
the bride was dressed as you would expect but the bridegroom, his father and
all his groomsmen, friends, etc. didn't even wear jackets. Why on earth
should the bride bother, really?

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Sacha
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Susan Cohen

2004-06-03 16:42:57 UTC

Post by Andy.III
As for Camillia's hat... I know several Southern Church Ladies who would kill
for it! <G>

It doesn't look as big as I thought, but the *crown* is too big - it's
falling too far down her forehead.
The color, however, is perfect.

SusanC

Sacha

2004-06-03 17:11:05 UTC

Post by Susan Cohen

Post by Andy.III
As for Camillia's hat... I know several Southern Church Ladies who would

kill

Post by Andy.III
for it! <G>

It doesn't look as big as I thought, but the *crown* is too big - it's
falling too far down her forehead.

That is how you wear those hats. BIG hats are 'in' as are tiny, flirty,
'silly' ones, sometimes with what used to be called 'fascinators', I
believe. If you push them back further, you look like a young schoolgirl
doing a try out for a remake of 'Gigi'. ;-)
Only the very un-hat-minded would do such a thing because it throws the
whole thing out of balance. I cannot tell you the number of times I've seen
women who obviously rarely wear hats, trying them on in shops and shoving
them too far 'up' - it looks simply ridiculous with a large hat, other than
one of those Breton straws. I have to sit on my hands not to grab the hat
and ram it *down* over their brow. Such a hat should be level over the
crown of the head.
As you say, the crown of the hat is big and that is the fashion now but
imagine if she had it hanging half off the back of her head, doing nothing
much in particular!

Post by Susan Cohen
The color, however, is perfect.

Safe, anyway.

Post by Susan Cohen
SusanC

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Sacha
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Jean Sue

2004-06-03 18:13:02 UTC

Post by Sacha
There is almost a 'uniform' for the English upper classes when it comes to
such occasions, though there is a trend now for the younger women to wear
very smart trousers, even to e.g. weddings.

I understand Crown Princess Victoria wore trousers to the Spanish wedding.

js

Sacha

2004-06-03 20:56:27 UTC

Post by Jean Sue

I understand Crown Princess Victoria wore trousers to the Spanish wedding.
js

I haven't seen that but it wouldn't surprise me at all. Another thing that
is very 'in' now for younger people is to wear black to weddings. In 'my'
day that was an absolute NO.

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Sacha
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Susan Cohen

2004-06-03 16:40:03 UTC

Post by EdStraker

Post by s***@webtv.net
[I am about to start
radiation therapy for cancer, am rather concerned/worried about it, &
needed some distraction.] <<

I wish you both nothing but a complete recovery, soonest!

SusanC

Jean Sue

2004-06-03 18:11:14 UTC

Post by Sacha
I've just read that book. I was astounded at how biased the quotes from it
have been on here. Reading those for some considerable time, I'd assumed the
book was trashing Camilla from start to finish. It doesn't.
In fact, such has the bias been on here that having started to read the
book, I closed it to look at the cover to be sure I was reading just that
very book!

And you are surprised that words have been twisted to support Diana the Good
and damn Camilla the bad????

I read the book myself and it is quite balanced; amazingly, everybody C+C+D,
come off as, well, human.

js

Sacha

2004-06-03 20:55:22 UTC

Post by Jean Sue

And you are surprised that words have been twisted to support Diana the Good
and damn Camilla the bad????
I read the book myself and it is quite balanced; amazingly, everybody C+C+D,
come off as, well, human.
js

To be frank, yes I *was* surprised. I know I shouldn't have been after
years of experience here etc. I bought it when we were in Brighton because
I'd forgotten to pack my book. Smiths or Waterstones or whatever was handy
and the book was on display. So I thought - well I've seen so much from agr
about how awful this book says Camilla is - maybe I should read it.

It was very balanced in all directions with regard to all involved. Nobody
got off scot free, nobody got demonised, either. At one point I honestly
thought I was reading another book altogether, hence the closing of the
covers to check! I'm perfectly serious about this. It was absolutely
unrecognisable to me from what has been said here on this group.

I truly thought I was going to read something that trashed Camilla up hill
and down dale, so basely dishonest have been the twisted excerpts on here.
Until now.

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Sacha
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CT Guy 102

2004-06-04 01:13:42 UTC