Has Mrspraycan vanished forever?

[K***@aol.com]

I hope not. He's an incredible writer.

I have communicated with Eiffel Crisps who writes much like him. He is
definitely not Spray. I would be able to tell by the correspondence
even if Spray lied to me, I know his writing that well.

Spray seems to have disappeared from the 'net, even under his new alias
he had begun to use here.


Apprently a year or so ago he got into an ugly hassle here over
politics and that was the last of him.

Come back, Spray. Or at least tell me where you are writing now.

Katharine

[SG]

Kath wrote:
<<Apprently a year or so ago he got into an ugly hassle here over
politics and that was the last of him.>>

Ugly hassle? A lot of hot air got passed around over the re-election of
Dubya, people were called assholes, people that were assholes were
called assholes, don't we all have an asshole? Some have two! In the
end, certain personality types left which would include Spray and AJ.

I am certainly not speaking for the Guv, but he can close down this
group anytime he'd like and simply post on ASSM if the need were to
arise.

SG

[K***@aol.com]

Yes, SG, I saw that. I did the Google thing looking for his stories as
I so from time to time.

I was hoping he was posting under a new name now so I could find him
and that someone here would know it.

It's a shame that people let themselves get so upset about something
they can't really do anything about that they just go away.

I was one of Spray's "liberal friends" also. Having done considerable
work with the homeless in my area, I found his take on homelessness
very schocking, not that I want to debate homelessness. It was just
surprisingly insensitive, but then he was always unpredictable.

Thanks for responding, SG.

I always have Google. I can go back and look at as many of his stories
as I like for years and years back.

I just wish he were writing new ones.

Katharine

[Still The Prince of Darkness]

Did I hear my name mentioned?

/Spray

Post by K***@aol.com
Yes, SG, I saw that. I did the Google thing looking for his stories as
I so from time to time.
I was hoping he was posting under a new name now so I could find him
and that someone here would know it.
I always have Google. I can go back and look at as many of his stories
as I like for years and years back.
I just wish he were writing new ones.
Katharine

[Still The Prince of Darkness]

So, having wriggled past the spam filter, I can answer the question.

I'm still around. Not very active, to say the least. But there have been
some stories since (quite long ones, intended for web commerce).

Mostly, I've been working.

So, what's new?

/Spray

[K***@aol.com]

I miss you, that's what's new. I check here now and then to see if
there is any sign of you.

If you would like to send mail from your current correct E-mail, we can
catch up on life.

I see that you posted this today. Good thing. I was about to give up.

There's nothing else on the Internet like your stories, but there's a
guy calling himself Eiffel Crisps who is doing a good job honoring your
work by learning from it. He has posted some very good stories.

Katharine, always your friend and fan

[Still The Prince of Darkness]

Would you believe it, it's snowing today? Not just a sprinkle either.

Life here remains as uneventful as ever, which is just the way I like
it.

Needless to say, I am not Eiffel Crisps! [I'd come up with a better name
than that, and certainly nothing to do with the French, cholesterol or
carbohydrates]. I suppose I'd better Google up some stories and see if I
agree with you.

I'm spending most of my time on music now. I write like crazy, but
that's for other (business) audiences. Four quite profitable books in the
past 12 months. "Scribble, scribble, scribble, Mr. Gibbon..."

Even though I try to avoid 'dark side' activities, I still kind of like
the spanko community. It's a shame it's not more of a community, no? When
you meet people in RL, they're perfectly nice. But online, they're often
quite the opposite.

/Spray

Post by K***@aol.com
I miss you, that's what's new. I check here now and then to see if
there is any sign of you.
If you would like to send mail from your current correct E-mail, we can
catch up on life.
I see that you posted this today. Good thing. I was about to give up.
There's nothing else on the Internet like your stories, but there's a
guy calling himself Eiffel Crisps who is doing a good job honoring your
work by learning from it. He has posted some very good stories.
Katharine, always your friend and fan

[Tony Elka]

Post by Still The Prince of Darkness
Even though I try to avoid 'dark side' activities, I still kind of like
the spanko community. It's a shame it's not more of a community, no? When
you meet people in RL, they're perfectly nice. But online, they're often
quite the opposite.

Hey Spray!

Perhaps that says more about the nature of online communications than it
does about spanking enthusiasts?

At real life events, most of us are quite nice and well-mannered.

Same goes for a piano recital, but if you ever visit the newsgroup
rec.music.makers.piano, you'll find it's as verbally abusive a place as
any.

There's some right bastards tickling the ivories in there.

Tony

[Still The Prince of Darkness]

Post by Tony Elka

Post by Still The Prince of Darkness
Even though I try to avoid 'dark side' activities, I still kind of like
the spanko community. It's a shame it's not more of a community, no? When
you meet people in RL, they're perfectly nice. But online, they're often
quite the opposite.

Hey Spray!
Perhaps that says more about the nature of online communications than it
does about spanking enthusiasts?
At real life events, most of us are quite nice and well-mannered.

Exactly. It's too easy to be full of yourself online, or to forget to throw
in enough smilies.

happy turkey today 2 everyone, btw

/Spray

[Alex Birch]

Post by Still The Prince of Darkness

Post by Tony Elka
Hey Spray!
Perhaps that says more about the nature of online communications than it
does about spanking enthusiasts?
At real life events, most of us are quite nice and well-mannered.

Exactly. It's too easy to be full of yourself online, or to forget to
throw in enough smilies.
happy turkey today 2 everyone, btw

Hey Spray good to see you again !! I think this view is absolutely right
and causes more friction than it need. We've all been there!! Happy
Thanksgiving for yesterday!!

Alex

[K***@aol.com]

Well, Spray, honey. Eiffel isn't nearly as good as you are, but he's
good.

I'm glad you're doing well. I wish I could hear your music.

Happy Thanksgiving.

Katharine

[The Guv'nor]

Post by SG
<<Apprently a year or so ago he got into an ugly hassle here over
politics and that was the last of him.>>
Ugly hassle? A lot of hot air got passed around over the re-election of
Dubya, people were called assholes, people that were assholes were
called assholes, don't we all have an asshole? Some have two! In the
end, certain personality types left which would include Spray and AJ.
I am certainly not speaking for the Guv, but he can close down this
group anytime he'd like and simply post on ASSM if the need were to
arise.
SG

Too be honest SG, if anyone is interested in taking over this group, I
am quite willing to hand over.

Personal, health and work commitments are beginning to mount up - and
to be honest, the amount of work that at one stage I put into the group
in an effort to make it work, didn't provide sufficient incentive to
continue to do so.

Groups such as ASRM, ASSM and even at one stage, SSS, have given me
many happy memories and I have made terrific, long lasting friends.
However, I find my interest in public spanking forums has waned
considerably, though of course, my interest in spanking has not!


Mike
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[K***@aol.com]

Mike, back before there were ASSM and ASRM, we had a discussion on SSS
about making separate spanking groups for different interests. Pablo
Stubbs said he felt it would weaken the spanking community to
"ghettoize" it.

Over the past few years, I have come to believe he was right. In my
opinion, despite the squabbles, it was more interesting and much more
stimulating when we were all together.

I don't think it would be a tragedy to have only one spanking newsgroup
again. Well, over course there would be other types of spanking
groups, but I mean one erotic spanking group.

Or not. I just mean, if you feel you need to, put your real life first
without guilt. You deserve it.

And congrats about Mel. I wish you both incredible happiness.

Katharine

[Alex Birch]

Post by The Guv'nor
Too be honest SG, if anyone is interested in taking over this group, I
am quite willing to hand over.
Personal, health and work commitments are beginning to mount up - and
to be honest, the amount of work that at one stage I put into the group
in an effort to make it work, didn't provide sufficient incentive to
continue to do so.

Mike I'm sorry to hear that. The amount of work you, and Beth before you,
put into the group has been terrific and I know from personal experience
what an uphill struggle it is to carry a new group in a USENET environment.
As you are aware from statistics over the last few months I have been very
lucky with ASSM primarily because we happened upon two or three lively and
indefatigable posters who boosted the posting levels to heights I would have
hitherto thought impossible and created an impetus for others to join in,
but I am equally aware that this is still from a low poster base and relies
on a few generating a lot. We too have fallen away from our pinnacle of
frenetic posts just lately and, if those key individuals don't post
regularly we fall back into the 'also rans'.

I say this because if you truly have lost interest that's one thing you cant
do much about but if it's simply disillusion with pushing a pea uphill
remember that ASRM has in the past had some super posters and , even lately,
you have had posters like Minxy who is a rare jewel and seems to have
stopped posting anywhere. All you need is, like we had, a stroke of luck in
picking up a couple of folks who will galvanise the group again and give it
some distinctive star quality.

I read Katherine's post and while I understand her views re one spanking
group I think the diversity that the 3 USENET groups have given has been a
boon to spanko options not a detraction from SSS. After all , SSS posts
have gone down like a runaway lift over the last few years and this is NOT
because of the other spanking groups. Very few of the SSS runaways have
fetched up on either of our groups and we have , both on ASSM and ASRM,
found our own , often very different, poster base. I think the reason why
newcomers have opted for other than SSS....and that doesn't necessarily mean
ASRM or ASSM..but often the web based forums or some other medium of
communication is for reasons more related to SSS' own modus operandi than to
the existence of USENET rivals.

The purpose of this reply is not to criticise SSS but simply suggest that
looking inwards for the cause of decline is more relevant than sugesting
that diversity is the problem. I would be sorry to see the freedom of
choice which now exists within USENET disappear and certainly, having worked
long and hard as you and Beth have, to give people a happy, flame free ,
posting environment regardless of the sneering from elsewhere about
'nannying', I don't intend to give up on it now....and I hope you don't
either!!
Alex

[Tony Elka]

Post by Alex Birch
After all , SSS posts
have gone down like a runaway lift over the last few years and this is NOT
because of the other spanking groups. Very few of the SSS runaways have
fetched up on either of our groups and we have , both on ASSM and ASRM,
found our own , often very different, poster base. I think the reason why
newcomers have opted for other than SSS....and that doesn't necessarily mean
ASRM or ASSM..but often the web based forums or some other medium of
communication is for reasons more related to SSS' own modus operandi than to
the existence of USENET rivals.

In my opinion, posting to ALL newsgroups declined significantly when
America Online dropped access to them.

Tony

[Ruth Lawrence]

Post by Tony Elka

Post by Alex Birch
After all , SSS posts
have gone down like a runaway lift over the last few years and this is NOT
because of the other spanking groups. Very few of the SSS runaways have
fetched up on either of our groups and we have , both on ASSM and ASRM,
found our own , often very different, poster base. I think the reason why
newcomers have opted for other than SSS....and that doesn't necessarily mean
ASRM or ASSM..but often the web based forums or some other medium of
communication is for reasons more related to SSS' own modus operandi than to
the existence of USENET rivals.

In my opinion, posting to ALL newsgroups declined significantly when
America Online dropped access to them.

People bailed in huge numbers to LiveJournal from
my (non-BDSM) other newsgroups, once it appeared.

Ruth, <lj user="curlygrrrl">, part of the Borg

[E***@aol.com]

Post by Tony Elka

Post by Alex Birch
After all , SSS posts
have gone down like a runaway lift over the last few years and this is NOT
because of the other spanking groups. Very few of the SSS runaways have
fetched up on either of our groups and we have , both on ASSM and ASRM,
found our own , often very different, poster base. I think the reason why
newcomers have opted for other than SSS....and that doesn't necessarily mean
ASRM or ASSM..but often the web based forums or some other medium of
communication is for reasons more related to SSS' own modus operandi than to
the existence of USENET rivals.

In my opinion, posting to ALL newsgroups declined significantly when
America Online dropped access to them.

Tony

I agree with you.
There were several AOL members who regularly posted here but have not
posted since AOL dropped access.
Also AOL changed the format of the AOL message boards resulting in a
decrease in postings as many AOL members do not like the new format as
ittakes longer to read and post.
We complained but AOL did not listen.

Ed

[GrumpyOldPapa]

Post by Tony Elka
In my opinion, posting to ALL newsgroups declined significantly when
America Online dropped access to them.

Quite correct. For those of us who need to keep AOL accounts for
business reasons, the move to Google has been very frustrating. The
Google structuree is such that it is very difficult to figure out what
is new, what is old and who is responding to whom. Sometimes when you
post a response to article #23 of a thread, Google upts your response
at #7 and sometimes the response to your article is at #41 and the next
resposne is at #18.

Then there is the nonsense like "articles 51-72 of 68 articles."

Papa

[minxy]

Hey GrumpyOldPapa! Great to see you back in here.

Who dug you up?

<veg>

Minxy

[K***@aol.com]

Actually, Alex, that isn't completely true. ASSM and ASRM attracted
some new posters over the years, but very few that stayed more than a
short time. Expecept for the people who came from SSS to this group, I
cannot identify any of the "new" posters we began to attract as still
being here.

The majority of posts were made by people who came from SSS, and most
of those posts were made by about four people, mostly Beth. I did an
actual account one time and in one week Beth had made more than half of
the posts herself. That was a while back, though.

Also, a lot of the new people on ASSM and ASRM also post on SSS. But
still, SSS was a lesser place for the lack of some people who left. I
have no wish to criticize ASSM or ASRM, but the reason I only lurk here
looking for posts by Spray is because, as a matter of personal taste,
I found both groups much less interesting than SSS. I think if the
interesting people on all three groups were together again, it would be
one much more interesting and exciting group. All of the groups have
a good points. I particpating in forming both new groups because I
wanted a safe place for Spray to post, but they both turned out not to
be places that were good for me.

I just prefer the anything goes atmosphere of SSS, despite the things
that go on there. I think the "flame free" atmosphere has come at the
cost of freedom of expression and that not being allowed to discuss the
operation of the group openingly is oppressive rather than freeing from
my point of view. How can one garner support for one's point of view
without discussing it opening? Thus the power structure is left
permenantly unopposed. I'd rather face flames and political
discussions than have to suppress my opinions or whisper them secretly
E-mail. I think that SSS remains by far the strongest erotic spanking
group, though newsgroups as an entity are on the way out. I think it
will probably be reborn in a new form in the not too distant future.
There are people still posting there who were there when it as still
ASS.

However, I think three groups is fine if people want to keep them up,
but if Mike if feeling too heavy a load, I don't want him to feel
guilty about giving it up. I have no personal interest in the
continuation or demise of either ASSM or ASRM. I was just touched by
Mike's post because I know he's been through a lot in his life.

Katharine

[minxy]

Post by Alex Birch
I say this because if you truly have lost interest that's one thing you cant
do much about but if it's simply disillusion with pushing a pea uphill
remember that ASRM has in the past had some super posters and , even lately,
you have had posters like Minxy who is a rare jewel and seems to have
stopped posting anywhere.

Awww Alex, I'm touched (but of course you knew that any way) <g>

I still lurk, but, I dunno it gets less and less. :-(

I suppose my ideal visit is to spar and joke within another's post but
when there are no, or very few, posts then there seems no point in
popping in.

One week all there was was your "don't forget McTurks" regular reminder
and a couple of spam posts.

I tried starting off a few new threads some time ago, but there was no
response, so I got a bit disillusioned and slowly found other things
to occupy my naughty mind. (poor Mr. Minxy! <veg>)

When I first discovered ASRM it was the first thing I looked at when I
switched on the computer. Now? I have to remind myself to look and
weeks can go by before I do.

I hope the good times return.

Minxy

[K***@aol.com]

Dear Minxie,

All three newsgroups are having fewer posts. We are all getting older
and younger people are turning places other than Usenet for
self-expression and community in terms of their sexual tastes.

I understand your frustration. When I first started posting here, I
would try to introduce topics of discussion. I would get one, maybe
two, appropriate comments, and the rest, if there were any, would have
little if anything to do with the topic.

I personally believe that some people are inspired by conflict. They
need something to struggle against to really put their heart into a
topic.

In any case, it is not just ASRM that is slowing down. I would love
to see us as one community again, which I know is not going to happen.
It just seems that with there being fewer and fewer of us, scattering
us isn't the best way to keep the spanking community in general strong.

Katharine

[The Guv'nor]

Post by K***@aol.com
However, I think three groups is fine if people want to keep them up,
but if Mike if feeling too heavy a load, I don't want him to feel
guilty about giving it up. I have no personal interest in the
continuation or demise of either ASSM or ASRM. I was just touched by
Mike's post because I know he's been through a lot in his life.

Hi Katharine,

Many thanks, I greatly appreciate your comments and for your
congratulations!

All the best

Mike

[The Guv'nor]

Post by Alex Birch
Mike I'm sorry to hear that. The amount of work you, and Beth before you,
put into the group has been terrific and I know from personal experience
what an uphill struggle it is to carry a new group in a USENET
environment.
As you are aware from statistics over the last few months I have been very
lucky with ASSM primarily because we happened upon two or three lively and
indefatigable posters who boosted the posting levels to heights I would
have
hitherto thought impossible and created an impetus for others to join in,
but I am equally aware that this is still from a low poster base and
relies
on a few generating a lot. We too have fallen away from our pinnacle of
frenetic posts just lately and, if those key individuals don't post
regularly we fall back into the 'also rans'.
I say this because if you truly have lost interest that's one thing you
cant
do much about but if it's simply disillusion with pushing a pea uphill
remember that ASRM has in the past had some super posters and , even
lately,
you have had posters like Minxy who is a rare jewel and seems to have
stopped posting anywhere. All you need is, like we had, a stroke of luck
in
picking up a couple of folks who will galvanise the group again and give
it
some distinctive star quality.

Alex, I will keep an eye on the group and continue moderation. I love the
"feel" of ASRM, like stepping into a familiar pub. I still feel more at home
here than I do on other non-topic environments where outside of my actual
target audience, I am fairly unpopular:)

I certainly wouldn't neglect the group at this stage, but ideas for posts or
even stories, are just not forthcoming.

Yesterday I was looking for a particular quote I made about five years ago,
and saw many of my old posts. Looking at them again was a mixture of fond
memories - and the feeling that memories are my future as far as public
spanking discussion is concerned.

Mike

[Alex Birch]

Mike

Your e mail address seems to keep changing..not to mention becoming ever
longer and unmemorable <g> Could you drop me a line from your current one
please?

Alex

[The Guv'nor]

Post by Alex Birch
Mike
Your e mail address seems to keep changing..not to mention becoming ever
longer and unmemorable <g> Could you drop me a line from your current one
please?
Alex

LOL. Sorry about that! I have several for different things these days!

(1) I still have the longstanding original email address
***@iprimus.com.au

(2) My main address now is ***@mhitchenconsult.com

(3) I have dropped the ***@newperspectives.com.au

Either of the first two will get to me:)

Mike
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[Alex Birch]

Thanks, Mike, I'll store all those!!

Alex

[The Guv'nor]

Post by minxy
When I first discovered ASRM it was the first thing I looked at when I
switched on the computer. Now? I have to remind myself to look and
weeks can go by before I do.

Thats has nothing to do with ASRM, it's called "old age" :):)

Mike The Diplomat
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[minxy]

Post by The Guv'nor
Thats has nothing to do with ASRM, it's called "old age" :):)
Mike The Diplomat

Didn't you know a diplomat thinks twice before saying nothing! <g>

and if I weren't such a lady Mr. Diplomat there'd be a slap heading
your way.........er...........just a minute............<slap, slap,
slap> :-D



Joke:
What's the difference between a diplomat and a lady?

If a diplomat says, "yes," he means "Maybe."
If a diplomat says, "Maybe," he means "No."
If a diplomat says, "No," he's no diplomat.

But on the other hand,
If a lady says, "No," she means "Maybe."
If a lady says, "Maybe," she means "Yes."
If a lady says, "Yes," she's no lady.

********

Minxy

[minxy]

Post by The Guv'nor
Thats has nothing to do with ASRM, it's called "old age" :):)
Mike The Diplomat

Didn't you know a diplomat thinks twice before saying nothing! <g>

and if I weren't such a lady Mr. Diplomat there'd be a slap heading
your way.........er...........just a minute............<slap, slap,
slap> :-D



Joke:
What's the difference between a diplomat and a lady?

If a diplomat says, "yes," he means "Maybe."
If a diplomat says, "Maybe," he means "No."
If a diplomat says, "No," he's no diplomat.

But on the other hand,
If a lady says, "No," she means "Maybe."
If a lady says, "Maybe," she means "Yes."
If a lady says, "Yes," she's no lady.

********

Minxy

[minxy]

Post by The Guv'nor
Thats has nothing to do with ASRM, it's called "old age" :):)
Mike The Diplomat

Didn't you know a diplomat thinks twice before saying nothing! <g>

and if I weren't such a lady Mr. Diplomat there'd be a slap heading
your way.........er...........just a minute............<slap, slap,
slap> :-D



Joke:
What's the difference between a diplomat and a lady?

If a diplomat says, "yes," he means "Maybe."
If a diplomat says, "Maybe," he means "No."
If a diplomat says, "No," he's no diplomat.

But on the other hand,
If a lady says, "No," she means "Maybe."
If a lady says, "Maybe," she means "Yes."
If a lady says, "Yes," she's no lady.

********

Minxy

[minxy]

Hey!!!! Wouldn't let me post, then, just like a bus - three arrive
together!! :-)

Sorry folks!

Minxy

[The Guv'nor]

----- Original Message -----
From: "minxy" <***@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.spanking.reality.moderated
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 4:24 AM
Subject: Re: Has Mrspraycan vanished forever?

Post by minxy

Post by The Guv'nor
Thats has nothing to do with ASRM, it's called "old age" :):)
Mike The Diplomat

Didn't you know a diplomat thinks twice before saying nothing! <g>
and if I weren't such a lady Mr. Diplomat there'd be a slap heading
your way.........er...........just a minute............<slap, slap,
slap> :-D

Not quite sure that's an effective threat to make to a switch:):)

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[minxy]

Post by The Guv'nor
Not quite sure that's an effective threat to make to a switch:):)

Anyone know how to turn the switch off? ;-)


Minxy