On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 20:33:24 +0000, John Ritson
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netOn Sun, 21 Feb 2021 12:26:39 +0000, John Ritson
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netOn Sat, 20 Feb 2021 18:19:13 +0000, John Ritson
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netOn Fri, 19 Feb 2021 19:23:29 +0000, John Ritson
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netOn Thu, 18 Feb 2021 11:07:39 +0000, John Ritson
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netOn Wed, 17 Feb 2021 09:25:12 +1100, Lucifer
Post by LuciferPost by z***@windstream.netOn Tue, 16 Feb 2021 22:05:44 +1100, Lucifer
Post by LuciferPost by TedOn Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by LuciferI still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
It seems that way to you because you can't imagine not being
rigidly controlled by people who have no authority.
Once you were free you would wonder what you saw in being a slave.
You wouldn't make that statement if you really knew the Bible.
Also, it is not always a bad thing to be a slave. We are willful
slaves of Jesus and God.
You are wilful slaves of eight old men in New York who claim to be
providing "spiritual food" from Jesus and Jehovah, but at the same time
admit that they are not divinely inspired.
We are slaves of Jesus and God, not men. Yes, we listen to spiritually
qualified men from any place, but are not their slaves. We reason on
God's word, the Holy Bible, just as the apostle Paul did, who set the
example for us at Acts 17:2,3.
Post by John Ritson"We are all just roving about" - Gerrit Losch - Governing Body member
"rove
travel constantly without a fixed destination; wander."
(Google definitions)
So what is your point?
You are just confirming that the Governing Body is just making up stuff
as they go along, no divine guidance - "without a fixed direction".
On the contrary, things have been happening that have been almost
miraculous. For example, in countries where the Watchtower magazine
is banned, police came into a JW home. This home is one where they
distributed Watchtowers underground, so there was quite a stack.
The police came in and DIDN'T EVEN SEE the magazines that were right
out in the open for anyone to see. Now you call it what you may, but I
believe God is behind the JW organization.
If this story is anything more than a "pious fiction" invented to keep
up morale (and it might be more convincing if the 'countries' were named
- 'a home' and multiple countries?), then it raises the question of the
high level of Covid deaths among JWs. Does Jehovah regard hiding
magazines as a higher priority than his follower's lives?
The story is true.
But you don't even know what country it happened in?
Germany.
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netThe magazines were not hidden.
God used his powers to make them invisible?
Not the way the story reads. It was more than likely blocked in their
minds.
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netPost by John RitsonAnd Jehovah apparently regards magazines as more important than the
lives of his followers.
Actually, God puts His kingdom above all other things. And the cover
page of the Watchtowers says "ANNOUNCING JEHOVAH'S KINGDOM"
But the lives of his followers are still less important than the
survival of magazines.
The magazines are just paper. What is written on them and God's
kingdom are what is important.
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netPost by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netPost by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netPost by John RitsonSo people who follow the "faithful and discreet slave" i.e. the
Governing Body are just slaves of the Governing Body, who claim, without
any evidence, to be the "faithful and discreet slave"
Those are the ones going to Heaven. There is a Bible Scripture which
says that their spirit agrees with God's Spirit that they are Heavenly
bound. It is not the kind of thing where there is physical evidence.
That's very convenient for the Governing Body, getting to claim to have
been selected by Jesus without ever having to produce evidence.
That is what the Bible says.
The Bible mentions a "faithful and discreet slave". The Watchtower Bible
and Tract Society simply makes an unsubstantiated claim that this title
applies to them also. The record of failed prophecies and endless
doctrinal changes argue against that, as does their own disavowal of
being "divinely inspired". See Governing Body member Geoffrey Jackson's
testimony to the Australian Royal Commission, and Governing Body member
Gerrit Losch's admission that "We are all just roving about".
Post by z***@windstream.netI don't believe you know more than the
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netBible.
Post by John RitsonWhy would Jesus select someone like David "We sort of had our
explanation backwards" - Splaine
Where is your source proof that was said?
JW Broadcasting
I don't know the setting or the context. What explanation did he say
was backwords?
That the references to hordes of locusts in Joel were references to
hordes of Jehovah's Witnesses.
But what is the backward explanation?
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netPost by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netPost by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netPost by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netPost by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netPost by LuciferPost by z***@windstream.netPost by LuciferPost by TedIf you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.
Why did God create Adam faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
Adam was not made faulty. (read Deut 32:4)
Post by LuciferPost by z***@windstream.netGod, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Why did God cause Adam to make us sick?
We were not created to govern ourselves. We all need a superior person
to lead us. In God's upcoming government, that will be Jesus.
Thus we have those things like diseases randomly strike us. Since
Jesus healed many sick ones, he showed us what he can do.
Post by LuciferPost by z***@windstream.netPost by LuciferWhy did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals since
God put them in charge of all the animals)
Why did God do that?
Because He wanted to.
Post by LuciferPost by z***@windstream.netPost by LuciferWhy did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect thing.
We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
God is way above digital.
Post by LuciferPost by z***@windstream.netPost by LuciferWhat sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
You are telling me what God did wrong. I'm asking why.
I can't answer since God did nothing wrong.
Then why does the Bible say that God repented? (e.g. in Amos)
Gen 6:6,
"And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it
grieved him at his heart."
So "God did nothing wrong" is wrong according to the Bible.
Negatrons. First of all, get a better translation.
Like the JW "translation", produced without scholars of Hebrew or Greek?
Use your brain God gave you. The NWT has been praised for its accuracy
by Bible scholars. If the translation was done by half-wit idiots, why
I am interested in the mission work of your people, and its world
wide scope, and much pleased with the free, frank and vigorous
translation. It exhibits a vast array of sound serious learning, as I
can testify.Letter, December 8, 1950, from Edgar J. Goodspeed,
translator of the Greek New Testament in An American Translation."
(g87.3/22, p.14)
"Edgar Johnson Goodspeed (18711962) was an American theologian and
scholar of Greek and the New Testament. He taught for many years at
the University of Chicago, whose collection of New Testament
manuscripts he enriched by his searches. The University's collection
is now named in his honor.
He is widely remembered for his translations of the Bible: The New
Testament: an American Translation (1923), and (with John Merlin Powis
Smith) "The Bible, An American Translation" (1935), the "Goodspeed
Bible". He is also remembered for his translation of the Apocrypha,
and that translation was included in The Complete Bible, An American
Translation (1939). Finally, Harper & Brothers issued his widely
heralded The Apostolic Fathers: An American Translation (1950).
Edgar J. Goodspeed was born in Quincy, Illinois. He graduated from
Denison University in 1890 (where he also received a doctorate in
Divinity, 1928) and the University of Chicago (Ph.D. 1898)."
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_J._Goodspeed)
And he was not the translator of the JW version. For a scholar to
describe a translation as "free, frank and vigorous" is called "damning
with faint praise".
On the contrary, he was complementing the scholarship of the
translation.
The publishers themselves admitted "the particulars of [the New World
Bible Translation Committee's members] university or other educational
training are not the important thing"
True. Just what education one passed, is not as important as knowing
the Greek and Hebrew words.
Post by John RitsonNot surprising when the man in charge was Fred Franz, President of the
Governing Body - the man who dreamed up the failed 1975 prophecy.
If they make a bonafide mistake, they show the correction, and move
on. That is what I have always found to be true in the JW
organization.
Did you know that the Bible predicted that the true religion would not
immediately understand all Bible things at once? (Even in Jesus' day,
the apostles didn't have 100% clarity) But over time as things
progressed, more understanding of them would emerge. Pr 4:18,
"The path of the righteous is like the first gleam of dawn, shining
ever
brighter till the full light of day." (NIV)
God reveals things to His servants in His due time. (Not when we think
they should be) We just have to be patient and wait.
Yes, I was around as a JW during the 70'S. Before I look anything up
in my library, do you know what I was taught concerning that date? Not
that the end was definitely coming, but that it would be a good time
for God to end it because of some Biblical numbers.
Here is my challenge to you. I am sure there are enough hate groups on
the web etc, that would gladly keep files of Watchtower magazine
'error' quotes etc.
Thus, give me the quote from any JW magazine or book etc, back then
that definitely stated that THE WORLD WOULD END in 1975, so that I can
look it up and verify it.
I just did some quick research on this subject in JW literature trying
to find the alleged direct statement that the end of the world was
coming in 1975, but could not find it anywhere.
But I did find these excerpts . (I tried to keep them brief) Here is a
statement back in 1970. It is from the Watchtower magazine (most new
doctrinal information is published here first) dated 5/1/70, page 273.
"How close we may exactly be to the end of the present divisive system
of things cannot be predicted, as Jesus reported that even he did not
know the day or the hour at the time of his earthly ministry. (Matt.
24:36) However, Bible chronology which indicates that Adam was created
in the fall of the year 4026 B.C.E. would bring us down to the year
1975 C.E. as the date marking 6,000 years of human history with yet
1,000 years to come for Christ's Kingdom rule. So whatever the date
for the end of this system, it is clear that the time left is reduced,
with only approximately six years left until the end of 6,000 years of
human history. (1 Cor. 7:29)"
Notice in this article, it states that at that time (1975) it will be
"the end of 6,000 years of human history" not 'the end of the world'
or similar direct words.
But let's now go to a 1975 Watchtower article. The first one is taken
from early in 1975 (when the alleged 'end' statements should be
flourishing) It is from the Watchtower dated 5/1/75, page 285. It is
quoting from the JW organization vice-president, F. W. Franz:
"Does this mean that we know exactly when God will destroy this old
system and establish a new one? Franz showed that we do not, for we do
not know how short was the time interval between Adam's creation and
the creation of Eve, at which point God's rest day of seven thousand
years began. (Heb. 4:3, 4) But, he pointed out, "we should not think
that this year of 1975 is of no significance to us," for the Bible
proves that Jehovah is "the greatest chronologist" and "we have the
anchor date, 1914, marking the end of the Gentile Times." So, he
continued, "we are filled with anticipation for the near future, for
our generation."-Matt. 24:34."
As you can see, no definite statements being made that 1975 IS the end
year of the world. For a person to make that assumption is the error
of the person, not the source material. Most JW's back then (including
myself) did not make that assumption. It was just an important Bible
date to keep in mind, but they could not definitely say that it was
THE date of the end of the world, etc.
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netPost by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netPost by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.net-- New King James
Genesis 6:6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth,
and He was grieved in His heart.
He was not sorry He created Adam and Eve, but was sorry for their
offspring, who were born imperfect and constantly sinned against God.
He was sorry so many had to be destroyed, except Noah and his family.
Post by John RitsonAnd this Jehovah character must be about the most incompetent deity that
humans have ever dreamed up.
Who divided the red sea so that the Israelites could walk through?
Israeli archaeologists found no evidence for the Exodus.
But in an archeology magazine it said the believed route is wrong. A
different route showed evidence of the exodus. I had the magazine but
can't find it right now. I will continue to look.
Maybe Jehovah is concealing it, the way he concealed the "Watchtowers"
in an un-named country.
That country was Germany. I believe it was the MINDS of the soldiers
that was blocked.
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netPost by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netPost by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netWho
resurrected Lazarus and others?
A lot of religions have resurrection fables. Are they all correct?
At the time it was written, there were a lot of witnesses to the
event. It would have been easy to show the writing was bogus.
Who exactly proved the resurrection of Osiris bogus?
He is a false god, created by humans. We to not see his 'fingerprints'
and 'footprints' all over the place, like we do with Jehovah God.
You see Jehovah's "footprints" everywhere, just as followers of Isis and
Osiris saw their "footprints" everywhere. And nobody at the time
disproved either.
In the OT there are many incidents where God preformed miracles and
had a lot of witnesses. Name one miracle of Osiris that had witnesses.
There is no comparison against false gods and Jehovah.
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netPost by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netSatan is the ruler of this world, and he is a notorious liar. Don't be
surprised to hear of resurrections in false religions.
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netWho created an orderly universe?
With earthquakes, meteorites and volcanic eruptions?
Why is the earth put into the exact spot to cause life to flourish?
Volcanic eruptions also create land and nutritious soils, so its not
all bad.
Meteorites rarely kill anyone. But they add to the knowledge of what
is out there. Scientists also think our water on earth came from
meteorites. (another wrong assumption but one you no doubt believe)
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netWho
was the only one that could create life?
Including lethal diseases?
God created Adam in perfection with no diseases. When Adam sinned
against God, he became imperfect, and through genetics passed it on to
his offspring.
"through genetics"? Adam ate an apple
The Bible doesn't say which fruit he ate. It just says "fruit".
Post by John Ritsonbecause of a talking snake, and
that created cholera viruses?
So Adam ate some "fruit" at the behest of a talking snake and that
created cholera viruses?
I doubt the snake actually talked. That was a trick of ventriloquism
by Satan.
As for the viruses, that came on after Adam sinned, up to the present
day.
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netDid you know that there is biological evidence that snakes originally
had legs?
Yes, and whales have evidence of vestigial legs as well
I really don't see how a whale could walk on dry land. You are getting
into animals that are bigger than dinosaurs. How could whale legs
carry the weight?
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.net"A species of ancient snake had hind limbs for around 70 million years
before losing them, scientists have discovered. This shows these
creatures lived successfully with legs for a very long time before
developing the characteristic body shape seen todayadding to the
complicated story of snake evolution."
https://www.newsweek.com/ancient-snake-fossil-evolution-1473003
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netPost by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netNo human dreamed up God, but God dreamed up humans.
And then slaughtered most of them in the supposed Flood?
And is supposedly planning to slaughter even more at Armageddon?
God is a moral God. Thus makes morals His top priorities. The
pre-deluge earth had people so wicked, that all they knew was
violence.
At Armageddon, many people
not "many people". According to the Governing Body, everyone who is not
an active Jehovah's Witness will be slaughtered.
Show me JW literature that says that.
A talk by Governing Body Member Kenneth Cooke to the (virtual) 2020
Convention.
Not just the enemies of God, but "all those who do not courageously
support Christ's brothers" will be set aside for slaughter.
See JW.ORG
Alright, point out to me a web page there, that says that.
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netPost by John RitsonCurrently the teaching
is that the judging is going on now, which was also Rutherford's
doctrine, but in the last two decades, the Governing Body has said that
the judging would take place during Armageddon, and at another stage
that the judging would follow Armageddon. That's "new light" for you.
Just wait a year or two and a new "new light" will come along.
-- Revised Standard
Proverbs 4:18 But the path of the righteous is like the light of
dawn, which shines brighter and brighter until full day.
But one hardly expects the "new light" to be replaced by more "new
light" which turns out to be the original "old light". Not unless they
are making it up as they go along.
Just look at the Scripture again. It is self explanatory:
Proverbs 4:18 But the path of the righteous is like the light of
dawn, which shines brighter and brighter until full day.
Obviously, the newer and slightly brighter light replaces the older
dimmer light. And this keeps happening until all the dimmer light has
been replaced.
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netPost by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netare like the ones in the pre-deluge
situation.
So this deity has twice allowed his creation to be so messed-up that the
only solution is genocide?
And you worship this self-admitted monster?
You don't know what you are saying. God wants ALL humans to repent of
their sins. If they don't, the fault lies on their heads.
And they get slaughtered. A point you Tried to hide.
slaughtered implies pain with it:
"kill (people or animals) in a cruel or violent way, typically in
large numbers."
https://www.google.com/search?q=slaughtered+&sa=Google+Search
No, God doesn't work that way, although it many seem that way to the
evil ones.
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netYou tell your child not to cross the busy road. When he does and gets
killed, the fault is on his head. You told him the right thing to do.
Also, God will not expunge all the people on earth, only the wicked,
which is a burden on the righteous ones.
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netYou like to use the word "slaughter". If that is the case, then when
the State executes a murderer, you would have to say the State
SLAUGHTERED him. Now, does that sound right to you?
It certainly sounds right to the Bible.
If you want to think of it that way, go ahead. It won't change God.
Post by John RitsonIsaiah 65:12 " Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall
all bow down to the slaughter: "
-- Revised Standard
Isaiah 65:11 But you who forsake the Lord, who forget my holy
mountain, who set a table for Fortune and fill cups of mixed wine for
Destiny;
Can YOU remember what is supposed to be this "holy mountain"?
Yes, it's not Mount Zion, it's the JWs!
At least according to JW.ORG
Can you point out the JW web page that it is on?
JW's claim to be the true religion of God. So there is bound to be
some Scriptures that apply directly to them, esp Revelation.
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.net-- Revised Standard
Isaiah 65:12 I will destine you to the sword, and all of you shall
bow down to the slaughter; because, when I called, you did not answer,
when I spoke, you did not listen, but you did what was evil in my
eyes, and chose what I did not delight in."
This is God's universe, not ours. He allowed all of us to have life.
But living is on his terms. That is just the way it is. To put it
bluntly: Obey my commands, or eventually die.
A being like that may command fear, but it cannot deserve worship.
Oh, but you don't know Jehovah. Based on His truthful and justice
personality, millions of us worship Him. Not because of fear, but
because of love.
Post by John RitsonThe good news is that he is a figment of your imagination, or rather the
"Governing Body's"
And the Catholics, and the Baptists, and the Methodists, and the every
other professing to worship the God of the Bible. It is figments of
their imagination also? There is more to this than meets the eye.
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netPost by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netPost by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netPost by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.net"So Jehovah said: I am going to wipe men whom I have created off the
surface of the ground, man together with domestic animals, creeping
animals, and flying creatures of the heavens, for I regret that I have
made them".
This proves that God does not always look into the future. Sometimes
He let's things take their normal course, then responds to them. He
was saddened by the path the wicked humans took. He does not like
destroying anyone.
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netPost by LuciferPost by z***@windstream.netPost by LuciferWhy do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look at
the RCC)
You set the bar very low, don't you? "God's organisation" is OK as long
as it does not have a worse child abuse record than the Roman Catholics,
It is NEVER ok with child abuse. But any organization with millions of
members is going to have such ones. (example a handful of murdereers,
thieves, liars, adulters, etc, just like they had in the first
century)
Post by John Ritsonare not more ostentatiously greedy than the "Prosperity Gospel"
preachers, and doesn't make major changes in doctrine more than once or
twice a year.
Upgrading oneself is supposed to occur continually with the true
religion. Prov 4:18,
But often "new light" is just what was rejected as "old light" a few
years ago.
Whatever you want to call it, the true religion is continually
upgrading. (Pr 4:18)
Post by John RitsonAnd claiming that the end of the world was coming in 1914, 1925, 1975
... is hardly a great example of "Upgrading oneself".
On the contrary, what do they say today? They give no date, but say
according to the Bible we are in the 'last days'. The end will come
when the JW's complete Mt 24:14. (the Watchtower magazine on the cover
says, "ANNOUNCING JEHOVAH'S KINGDOM")
Will this be another virtual Kingdom, such as the one proclaimed in
1914?
What happened in 1914 fits the Bible's prophecy about the time of the
end. (see Matthew Chapter 24)
Post by John RitsonRemember that the "overlapping generation" theory means that the
Governing Body have no deadline any more.
You seem to have a problem with the Governing Body. These are
spiritually qualified men to help Jesus guide the organization
Who qualified these jackasses like Geoffrey Jackson and David Splaine,
who can't even read their own Bible correctly?
-- Revised Standard
Acts 20:28 Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the
Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God
which he obtained with the blood of his own Son.
Post by John RitsonThey claim to be "spiritually qualified" and that is all you need.
Negatrons. If one of them declared himself to be Jesus, we would not
believe him. Their actions define who they are.
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.net. The
Bible says they were picked by Holy Spirit.
The Bible says the Governing Body of the Watchtower Bible and Tract
Society were picked by Holy Spirit? Even you can't believe that!
I believe what the Bible says. (see the Scripture above)
Post by John RitsonThe Bible may say that the Disciples, or the Apostles, or the elders
were picked by the Holy Spirit about two thousand years ago, But who
says that the present Governing Body were so picked? The self-same eight
old men in New York.
And you take them at their word, which changes every few years.
Yes they are supposed to have things change occasionally. (see Pr 4:18
quoted above)
They are all just "roving about".
It might appear that way to you, but they see the overall picture of
the JW organization, and how Jesus, God, and the angels are helping
out.
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netPost by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netThat is good enough for
me. But they still are imperfect humans, thus can commit wrongs.
occasionally.
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netSo the good news of God's kingdom is being preached world-wide.
And yet JW numbers world-wide are falling, according to their own data.
Please show me your data source of the JW data.
"The Increase We Get From 2019 to 2020: -0.6"
JW.org 2020 Service Report
"Newsroom Highlights From 2020 Service Year
The 2020 service year brought unparalleled challenges to the spiritual
activities of Jehovahs Witnesses worldwide. But these challenges also
revealed the determination of our brothers and sisters to maintain
loyalty and unity. The primary challenge stemmed from the COVID-19
pandemic, which created global disruptions on a scale not seen in
generations."
https://www.jw.org/en/search/?q=2020+service+report
At least they are honest in their reporting a negative number.
But you would expect that in "the last days of the last days" people
would be flocking to "God's Organisation", not leaving.
You would expect that a deity that takes trouble to protect a bundle of
magazines in some un-named country would be able to protect his
followers from a mere virus.
This is not the time for miraculous healings of sick ones, and people
getting resurrected, and death being tossed away, and the whole earth
being made into a paradise. (Luke 23:43)
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netPost by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netPost by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netPost by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.net"But the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light That
grows brighter and brighter until full daylight."
We are near "full daylight" now.
No, the Governing Body is still making up stuff as it goes along. In
some cases it has had three different "new lights" on the same
theological question within a few years, ending back where they started.
See above where we are just about at the full daylight now.
You can keep saying that, while the Governing Body continue to tie
themselves in knots and numbers fall.
They are doing just fine, in showing love to all the brothers. They
are keeping abreast of the pandemic, and sharing their information.
Before the governments told us not to gather together in large crowds,
the JW organization stopped the door to door work, and told everyone
to stay home. They were wise and are helping to protect us.
Post by John RitsonPost by z***@windstream.netPost by John Ritson"District Overseer Bart Thompson held up a Society publication that had
a green cover. He then said to the assembly of elders [in Alabama] "If
the Society told me that this book was black instead of green, I would
say 'Y'know. I could have sworn that it was green, but if the Society
says it's black, then it's black'"
Please show me source of that statement so that I can verify its
truthfulness or non-truthfulness.
Post by John Ritson"Crisis of Conscience" - former Governing Body Member Raymond Franz
And in what JW literature do we find "Crisis of Conscience"?
So you only accept JW literature as truth, not the writings of a long-
serving member (1971-1980) of the Governing Body? Surely Raymond Franz
was "picked by the Holy Spirit"?
Yes he was. And if he wrote things, I am sure they were showing up in
the literature.
It's Raymond Franz's autobiography.
Regularly the Governing Body tells people to destroy literature that has
been superseded. In fact any that shows that the doctrine has changed
and prophecies have failed.
I recall no such rule. Show me where that is at in the JW literature.
James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths