catherine yronwode
2007-05-18 20:17:01 UTC
Note: due to the sensitive nature of some information, any source
who is ANONYMOUS is marked ANON in all-capital letters and the
reader should refer to the ANONYMOUS USENET POSTERS list for
further details on that poster, including theories (often by
other ANON posters) as to who that poster is.
This is a WORK IN PROGRESS. It will reach completed form on May 31st,
2007, to the best of my ability to work on it during my free time.
As of today, May 18th, many sections are incomplete and i have
logged at least a dozen more usenet posts for summarization and
inclusion which time constraints prevent my doing today. I also
have an extensive ANON email to summarize (see under ANON
Emailer) and there are historical usenet archive searches to be
made as well.
For my own convenience, certain sections contain the key term XXX --
this is a writer's convention marking sections in need of research,
writing, or revision -- i use my computer's find function to locate
XXX sections and work on them as i go. Normally, i would not release
a document with XXX inclusions -- i would work them all out before
publishing, even on usenet -- but it has been a few days since my
last update and i must leave for the weekend early (it is Friday),
so i am taking the unusual step of posting this with XXX markers
intact, so that those who are unsure of what i intend to include
will have a foretaste of the finished work and those who are
curious about my methodology may see how i assemble data.
DATES
(XXX NOTE! This timeline is INCOMPLETE and will be the next section to
be
updated, beginning May 21st -- see usenet posts for more and check for
dates in the ANON Emailer data.)
1981
Chic Cicero charged with discharging a firearm within city limits,
Muscogee County, GA.; data supplied by many; appears to be true.
(Case 43488, filed 2/3/81)
1983
Chic Cicero charged with wife beating/assault with a deadly weapon
Muskogee County, GA; data supplied by many; appears to be true.
(Case 47626X, aggravated assault, filed 8/31/83)
1997
Carroll "Poke" Runyon publishes "Secrets of the Golden Dawn Cypher
Manuscript" with foreword by Pat Zalewski and afterword by R. A.
Gilbert.
1997
"at a Golden Dawn conference in 1997 R. A. Gilbert delivered
a paper that effectively savaged the history and reputation of the
Societas Rosicruciana in America, an order that had been moribund
owing to a court dispute among senior members concerned with a land
deal that had gone wrong under the Imperatrix Lucia Grolsch. The
SRIAmerica was later revived by a member, and new Imperatrix, Soror
Maria, and continues to exist" -- says anonymous poster ANON Jean
2005 - 2007
Anonymous usenet posters cite links to rabidly anti-Griffin web pages,
filled with slanderous statements. Meanwhile, other anonymous usenet
posters publish details shaming and damaging to the reputations of
Cicero. All these posts seem to be backlash from the HOGD lawsuit.
2006
Griffin's HOGD temples in US see many members decamp to Cicero's
HOGD, says ANON Jean
2007 (February)
Griffin loses lawsuit to Cicero over the use of HOGD name in America,
then relocates in Germany, according to ANON Jean (date supplied by
ANON Asiya)
NAMES
(XXX NOTE! This list is INCOMPLETE and will be revised beginning May 22nd)
Babwahsingh, Maria (XXX find authoritative spelling of her name)
(called "The Dragonlady of the Golden Dawn" by ANON sria_scams)
("inherited a small fortune due to the former bootlegging
activities of her father (now deceased) during prihibition [sic].
She still enjoys friendly relations with the New Jersey mob,
which is how she first met Chic Cicero," says ANON sria_scams)
("has filed a long series of frivolous lawsuits, including against
Robert Word, Dale Buckholtz, and Robert Word [sic]" says sria_scams)
("initiated into the Golden Dawn by Cicero" says ANON sria_scams)
(during the 1980s, working in collaboration with the violent Cicero,
she coerced then SRIAm Imperatrix Lucia Grolsch/Grosch to relinquish
her title and organization, according to ANON sria_scams.
(said to have lots of Rosicrucian charters (?))
(revived SRIAm after Grolsch debacle, says ANON Jean)
(Imperatrix of SRIAm Societas Rosicruciana in America post-Grolsch)
(said by ANON sri_scams to be the person behind the ANON Jean posts;
this is denied by ANON Jean who says she is not Babwahsingh)
Behman, Patricia aka Monnastre, Cris
(as Monnastre wrote an intro to a Zalewski book listed at amazon)
(at one time was "romantically linked to David Griffin" and participated
in an initiation of Griffin in Cicero's home that ed to the so-called
"pizza schism" that separated Griffin from the HOGD-C. claimed ANON Mark
(???) in 2005 XXX this source needs checking with google usenet archive)
Bolks, Mark (posts to usenet as ***@yahoo.com)
(claims to be "a member of the HOGD/A+O" -- confirmed by ANON emailer)
(says there is "no Nazism within the Order at any level.")
(offers this opinion that, regarding the charge that Griffin's lawyer
Jorge Hevia was arrested on a DUI charge: "As for the 'DUI', I'm
sure it's one of the other 500 Jorge Hevias who live in the U.S.
Probably a truck driver with the same name. My bet is this could be
verified by public record.)
Bourke, Desmond
(said by ANON Jean to be in London, UK and to commit "antics")
(said by ANON Jean to give out false GD lineages)
(ran a "quasi-Masonic charter mill" 1960s - 70s, says ANON Jean)
(was a member of SRIAn, says ANON Jean)
("claimed a GD link through a Bristol temple" 1960s, says ANON Jean)
(Bristol temple GD link disproved by Pat Zalewski, says ANON Jean)
("had access to many rites at the SRIA headquarters, [and] spent much
of his time falsifying charters to issue"; dispensed charters to
"pretty much to anyone who asked," but later "confessed" and "recanted
because he was caught out" in a false charter scandal, says ANON Jean)
(his family of orders was the "Sovereign Imperium of the Mysteries")
(said by ANON Jean to be opposed by those who also oppose Robert Word)
Cicero, Chic (Charles Cicero Jr.)
1981, Chic Cicero charged with discharging a firearm within city limits,
Muscogee County, GA.; data supplied by many; appears to be true.
(Case 43488, filed 2/3/81)
1983, Chic Cicero charged with wife beating/assault with a deadly weapon
Muscogee County, GA; data supplied by many; appears to be true. His
wife at the time was named Eva Marie Cicero.
(Case 47626X, aggravated assault, filed 8/31/83)
(The rabidly anti-Cicero poster and defamation web site creator
ANON aria_scams presents this information in a slightly different way:
"Chic Cicero is not a convicted felon. [...] He [had] been arrested
some half a dozen times over the years, had managed to get off four
times, plead down to a misdemeanor twice, spent a few months in the
Hoboken lock-up followed by probation on the first, and got two years
straight probation on the second occasion. [...] he was arrested
in Georgia on criminal firearms charges in connection with an extortion
scheme (Muscogee Superior Court Case #43488) as well as for assault
with a deadly weapon in connection with a wife beating charge (Case
Number 47626X, filed by Eva Marie Cicero). He was subsequently was
released on $1,500 bail. The incident began when Eva Marie Cicero
flew into a jealous rage when she caught [ Chic] cheating on her with
a young stripper named "Samantha Midnight [later Tabitha Cicero]."
In response, Chic Cicero hit his wife Eva over the head with a glass
planter so hard that he was arrested for assault with a deadly weapon.
As is so often the case in instances of domestic violence, Eva Cicero
eventually dropped the charges against her husband. [...] the
aforementioned weapons charge in Columbus, GA still remains open, and
Chic Cicero fled Georgia to Florida shortly after it was filed.")
(Says ANON sria_truth, "I have telephoned the Columbus GA Court clerk
and have verified that the arrest documents concerning the arrest of
Chic "Charles" Cicero for violent offenses are authentic. One of them
still carries an outstanding arrest warrant in GA."
(head of a HOGD organization, according to ANON Jean and many others)
(initiated Maria Babwahsingh into the GD says sria_scams)
(is affiliated with the New Jersey mob (mafia) says sria_scams)
(owned a strip bar called he Shady lady, according to anon. posters)
{Says the rabidly anti-Cicero poster ANON sria_scams, "In the late
1970s,
[Cicero] tried to ingratiate himself with Grady MacMurtry, the Chief
of the OTO at the time. Chic was mildly successful, and began operating
an oasis of the OTO in Columbus in addition to his Shady Lady
operation.")
(pistol-whipped octagenarian Lucia Grosch, in the 1980s, according
to ANON sria_scams. This anonymous claim is so extraordinary it should
be
read in full; see it under the heading for Grolsch / Grosch)
(established temples in the UK in the early 2000s says ANON Jean)
(Feb. 2007, won lawsuit against Griffin's use of HOGD name, says
ANON Asiya)
("Actually, Griffin was sued by Cicero in a frivolous lawsuit which
tried to prevent Griffin from using the HOGD name in the USA. Cicero
lost, Griffin is still using the name, and now Cicero eats dog food
after having bankrupted himself in the process," says ANON sria_scams)
(XXX ANON Emailer Settlement info to be inserted here)
Cicero, Tabitha also spelled Tabatha by some detractors
(Chic Cicero's second wife)
(said to have been a stripper with the stage name Samantha Midnight)
(said to have worked in the Shady Lady bar owned by Chic Cicero)
(XXX ANON Emailer pizza schism ascension to Chief to be inserted here)
Fatboy -- see ANONYMOUS USENET POSTERS
Fleming, Anthony -- see also Fuller, Tony
("renowned Golden Dawn hi[s]torian" says ANON sria_scams)
(said to be same as Tony Fuller, claims ANON sria_scams)
(said by sria_scams to have proved that SRIAm lineage is "made up."}
Fuller, Tony -- see also Fleming, Anthony
(said by ANON sria_scams to be identical with Fleming, Anthon[e]y
(quoted at length by sria_scams saying that SRIAm has little or no GD
content and arose independently)
Gilbert, R.A.
(said by ANON Jean to be a member of the SRIAnglia)
(said by ANON Jean to have "rescued" and "salvaged" the reputation
of
SRIAmerica in 1997 at a GD conference - for details, see under SRIAm)
(also according to ANON Jean, at the same conference, Gilbert presented
a paper containing his "considered explanation for the GD cyphers, that
they were the rituals for two stillborn orders, the Society of Eight
and the Sa'at B'hai")
(ally of Poke Runyon; wrote 1997 afterword to Runyon GD Cipher MS book)
(not known to post in usenet)
Grace-Bachman, Leigh-Ann
(posts to usenet under her motto "Soror M.D.L.L." aka ***@yahoo.com)
(claims to have been a member of HOGD A+O since 2005, and to have
received physical initiations to the grade of 3=8)
(avers there is no Nazi material in the HOGD A+O teachings or rites.)
(is herself opposed to racism and says that, in her personal knowledge,
people of all races, religions, and orientations are to be found in
HOGD / A+O, which is in no way a Nazi or racist group.)
(As a tutor in HOGD / A+O, she also states that she has students on 3
continents, knows David Griffin personally and respects him, and also
knows Jorge Hevia III.)
(believes that attacks against Griffin are motivated by jealousy over
his
creative contributions to GD studies and ritual work.)
(claims that the OSOGD "has been bashing and trashing the HOGD/A&O and
David Griffin for years.")
Griffin, David
(one time affiliate of Chic Cicero who had "fallen out" claims ANON Jean)
(Cris Monnastre "romantically linked to David Griffin" claims ANON
Mark,
who, in 2005, told how Behman (Monnastre) and Griffin broke with
Cicero during the "pizza schism", splitting the HOGD in two; see Behman)
(XXX insert ANON Emailer account of "pizza schism" which varies from
ANON Mark account in details and includes XXX Adam Forrest, for which
an entry should be started)
(claims SRIAm, SRIAn, and Cicero's GD were against him says ANON Jean)
(in a paper "titled 'SRIA Mothers or Thieves?' ... suggested ... that
the
SRIA[n] had 'stolen' a [Mackenzie] lineage intended for the GD," says
ANON Jean, who adds, "It is possible David is [...] sincere, as he has
a
poor grasp of history and relies [...] on what he is told by Word and
most unfortunately, by Ruggiu." ANON Jean claims the Word and Griffin
"attack on SRIAn" alleged SRIAn was based on a stolen Mackenzie lineage)
(claimed his Ahathoor Temple in Paris was long-running and threatened
to
sue "a NZ researcher" who said Ahathoor was a revival, says ANON Jean)
(founded a temple in UK says ANON Jean)
(theeatened "NZ researcher" was Roel van Leeuwen, claims ANON Emailer)
(attacked UK HOGD-C because it shared members with SRIAn said ANON Jean)
(c. 2000, Griffin's temple in the UK ceased to exist, claims ANON Jean)
(tried to found temple in Sweden but it defected as SR+C, says ANON Jean)
(said to be a Neo-Nazi by ANON gd.insight et al;obviously untrue slander)
(called an ecological activist by ANON regulus -- see Daily Cal article)
(XXX ANON Emailer supplied Daily Cal URL, insert here)
(the testimony of ANON regulus of hermetic.org is as follows:
"The photo [of Griffin in a Nazi uniform] was part of a news report,
which was repeated several times in alt.magick. [...] It said
categorically that it was an ecological demonstration with anti-racist
overtones. Racists do not make anti-racists speeches, Nazis do not
wear funny looking false mustaches mocking Hitler. Honestly, we all
know that Mr. Griffin is not a Nazi. [...] The article mentions that
there were people who were offended by the uniform, but stated quite
clearly what the intention was, which was to drive an ecological
message stressing unity of religion, unity of race home using shock
tactics. [...] Lots of people commented on the episode, people who are
not associated with and even antagonistic to with Mr. Griffin have
accepted this explanation."}
(has "failed manifestly to prove the authenticity of [his] lineages over
a long period of time" says ANON Jean (since circa 1997(?))
(ANON Jean claims that "it is further alleged that Griffin's US
temples,
at one time his power base, largely ceased to exist about a year ago
[2006], with many of the personnel decamping to the Cicero group.")
(Feb. 2007: lost lawsuit to Cicero and may no longer use the HOGD
name in the USA, say ANON Jean and ANON Asiya. ANON Jean adds that
the court decision has not been enforced in the USA as of May 2007,
which may be a moot point due to Griffin's relocation to Germany)
(XXX ANON Emailer Settlement info to be inserted here)
(now based in Germany and visits Amsterdam occasionally, says ANON Jean)
("he lives in America, since his website says he just spoke in Sedona,"
[in early 2007], says sria_scams)
Grolsch, Lucia (also spelled Grosch by sria_scams)
(Imperatrix of SRIAm Societas Rosicruciana in America circa 1997)
(responsible for a bad "land deal" that had hurt SRIAm, says ANON Jean)
(ANON sria_scams is quoted here verbatim: "!n the 1980's, the former
Imperatrix of the SRIA (America), Lucia Grosch, was being sued by
Frank Modica over a land deal gone sour. Grosch, in her 80s at the
time, was nearly destitute. Mariah Babwahsingh offered to finance
her legal bills and negotiate a settlement if Grosch would relinquish
control of the SRIA to Babwahsingh and Cicero. When she refused, she
was visited by Cicero who pistol whipped her and threatened to kill
her. The next day, Grosch signed over the SRIA to Babwasingh and
Cicero.")
(XXX Can anyone supply police or court records that substantiate
the charge of Cicero beating up an old woman in the 1980s?)
(XXX Can anyone check spelling of Grolsch / Grosch???)
Hevia, Jorge
(said to have been Griffin's lawyer)
(said to have been arrested for DUI)
(said to have been the Praemonstrator of Griffin's HOGD A+O)
(XXX ANON Emailer Settlement info to be inserted here)
Jean -- see ANONYMOUS USENET POSTERS
Mackenzie, Kenneth
(long dead affiliate of orig. HOGD; one possible author of GD Cipher MS)
(Griffin and Word claimed SRIAn stole Mackenzie lineage, says ANON
Jean)
Modica, Frank
(sued Lucia Grosch / Grolsch over a contested land deal in the 1980s,
according to sria_scams; the land deal situation also threatened to
destroy the SRIAm, according to ANON Jean, who did not mention Modica)
Monnastre, Cris -- see major entry under Behman, Patricia
Regulus -- see ANONYMOUS USENET POSTERS
Ruggiu, Jean Pascal (XXX also spelled Reggiu by some usenet posters, check)
(associate of Nicolas Tereshenko in France says ANON Mark)
(he and Tereshenko, who were "con artists", gave Griffin a GD lineage
says ANON Mark)
(Griffin's French partner, claims ANON Jean)
(ran Griffin's Ahathoor temple in Paris, says ANON Jean)
(note that there is an anon poster named Jean and one named regulus)
Runyon, Carroll ("Poke")
(founder of his own occult orders, neither of which are GD/Ros orders)
(ally of Pat Zalewski, who wrote foreword to Runyon GD Cipher MS book)
(ally of R.A. Gilbert, who wrote afterword to Runyon GD Cipher MS book)
(battled Robert Word in usenet for years during the 1990s)
Tereshenko, Nicolas
(associate of Jean Pascal Ruggiu in France says ANON Mark)
(he and Ruggiu, "con artists", gave Griffin a GD lineage says ANON Mark)
van Leeuwen, Roel
("A NZ Rosicrucian historian" demonstrated that Ahathoor Temple was a
revival, and Griffin threated to sue him but never did, claims ANON Jean)
("I believe that the NZ Rosicrucian that you have referenced that
Griffin has tried to sue is Roel van Leeuwen. His work about the
Golden Dawn and other esoteric schools in New Zealand can be found at
http://www.ace.net.au/darkmoon/nzoccult.htm
His commentaries on Griffin, the Ahathoor Temple NO 7 in Paris can be
found at http://www.ace.net.au/darkmoon/addition.htm -- says ANON Josef)
(XXX insert ANON Emailer confirms this)
Walker, Trevor (posts to usenet as ***@Hotmail.co.uk)
(posts from the United Kingdom)
("in 1998, I was 16 years of age and in college" - born c. 1982)
(claims to me a member of Griffin's HOGD/A+O and confidently
asserts that the defamation sites accusing Griffin of being a Neo-Nazi
were created by Robert Zink (EOGD) and Chic Cicero (HOGD-C).)
(claims, "I am in no doubt whatsoever that you [Robert Zink] are
none other than 'gd.insights'" -- 2006)
(says, "sexual predator and cult leader Robert Zink, of the
inappropriately named and improperly licensed "Esoteric Order of the
Golden Dawn," is desperate to divert the attention away the fact that
he knowingly sexually abused an underage daughter of one of his own
study group members" -- for more on this, see under Zink)
(says, "I caught Zink, red handed, advertising the connection between
Nazism and Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, under his own identity
on this very forum.", 2006)
Westlund, Tommy
(XXX add extensive testimony of ANON Emailer re Westlund ripping off
rituals from Griffin to found Swedish SR+C Sodalitas Rosae+Crucis)
Wilson, Bruce ("Col" -- implying military affiliations (?))
(said by ANON Jean to have written a history -- but of what?)
(XXX ANON Emailer claim about Bruce Wilson article never being
seen in full but still used as a Wikipedia source to be inserted here)
Word, Robert
(said by many to post to usenet as Sar Draconis, ***@aol.com)
(XXX ANON Emailer and others allege Word is Sar Draconis insert)
(Sar Draconis attacked Zalewski and Gilbert ally Runyon in usenet, 1990s)
(said by ANON Jean to have attacked SRIAm)
(said by ANON Jean to have had "an unhappy career" with SRIAm)
(with Griffin, aattacked SRIAn with a claim that SRIAn operated under
a stolen Mackenzie lineage, says ANON Jean)
(Word and Griffin got charters via Bourke of the SRIAn, says ANON Jean)
(Bourke "claimed a GD link through a Bristol temple in the 60s" and
when
the Bristol temple's GD link was disproved by Pat Zalewski, says ANON
Jean, Word had a "lot of anger" for Zalewski)
(Word's anger at Zalewski would explain his hostile usenet behaviour
toward Runyon, a known friend and ally of Zalewski (see Runyon entry))
(Chief Adept of the Order of the Mystic Rose, allied with Griffin's HOGD)
(called Griffin's HOGD's "historian" on their web site, says ANON Jean)
(has denied alliance with Griffin, says ANON Jean)
(self-claimed Adeptus Exemptus of Societas Rosicruciana in Civitatibus
Foederatus (SRICF), "the only regular and masonically recognized branch
of the Societas Rosicruciana located within the territory of the United
States" -- May, 2007)
(XXX pick up and insert more Sar Draconis recent usenet posts here)
Zalewski, Chris
(former wife of Pat, according to unreliable Wikipedia)
Zalewski, Pat
(connected to "Ware Ra," my favourite "weird word of the week")
(ally of Poke Runyon; wrote 1997 foreword to Runyon GD Cipher MS book)
(Word and Griffin got charters via Bourke of the SRIAn, says ANON Jean,
who adds that Zalewski disproved Bourke claim of "a GD link through a
Bristol temple in the 60s" which was important in the charters of Word
and Griffin;this disclosure by Zalewski explains Word's "anger", says
ANON Jean)
(Word's anger at Zalewski may also explains Word's 1990s usenet
hostility
toward Runyon, a known Zalewski ally)
Zink, Robert
(a name mentioned in these feuds as early as 1999)
(former leader of HOMSI, current leader of the EOGD)
(signs posts Frater P.D.R. but not all posts originate from same mailer)
(accused of being a sexual predator by Walker, see EOGD XXX revise
this!)
(XXX ANON Emailer explains Zink's marriage to the woman, insert here)
(opposed to Griffin and allied with Cicero according to many anons.)
(says anon. Nomen Nescio 2005: "There does exist, however, quite
substantial proof that Robert Zink, operating under license of Chic
Cicero, is directly responsible for a vast number, if not all,
harassment
and abuse directed towards David Griffin.")
(in 2006 Trevor Walker identified Zink as ANON gd.insights, one of the *
in 2006 anti-Griffin site posters,)
ANONYMOUS USENET POSTERS
ANON emailer
(long-time American occultist who contacted me in email after having
seen
the recent series of posts of which this is one. He supplied many dates,
names, and legal data, all confirmed by other sources. In addition to
independently giving me the real names of some people whom i would have
otherwise classified as ANONs because i did not know them, he also
supplied the missing link in the tale of the Griffin-Cicero lawsuit,
namely that although each side has claimed that the other has "lost"
and
their side has "won," the fact is that the matter was concluded with a
SETTLEMENT. A member of neither HOGD-G or HOGD-C, he admits to slightly
favouring Cicero's side, but was remarkably fair in recitation of
events.
He also gave follow-up information regarding the accusations made
by Trevor Walker against the EOGD's Robert Zink -- see under Zink.)
asiya ***@sbcSORATHglobal.net http://www.asiya.org/ = ANON Asiya
(long-time alt.magick poster, supplied date of Griffin lawsuit "loss")
***@yahoo.com = ANON eogdtruth
(posted anti Chic Cicero material in usenet, 2006)
Fatboy -- see ***@yahoo.com = ANON Mark
***@yahoo.com [signed post as "regulus"] = ANON regulus
(asserts that Griffin is not a Nazi. See above under Griffin)
(claims David Griffin has "contempt of racist attitudes")
(reported "gd.insight" to Google for "defamatory and false posts")
(says, "As for my nick, I have used Regulus for years, and no
other motto, I am well known and my website is www.hermetics.org .
[...] I contributed occult film titles to your list [list
of movies about magic maintained by my husband nagasiva yronwode]
years ago with the same motto. The fact that I use a motto does
not mean that I have anything to hide.")
(XXX insert Turkish material, name Kemel from recent usenet post)
***@yahoo.com = ANON gdtruthseeker
(posted material opposing Robert Zink and EOGD in usenet, 2005)
***@yahoo.com = ANON gdtruth666
(anonymous poster who associated David Griffin with Nazism, 2006)
(claims "HOGD A+O is a front for a Nazi Organization")
***@yahoo.com = ANON gd.insight
(posted URLs associating David Griffin with Nazis, 2006, 2007)
(was reported to google for defamatory post by ANON regulus, 2007)
(identified as Robert Zink by ANON Trevor, 2006)
Jean -- see teletourgos = ANON Jean
***@merlin.home-net [Josef] = ANON Josef
(posted info on AOMR, Robert Word, and Word's link to Griffin)
(identified "A NZ Rosicrucian historian" mentioned by ANON Jean
as Roel van Leeuwen)
***@yahoo.com [aka Fatboy / Mark Christy] = ANON Mark
(in 2005 said Cris Monnastre "romantically linked to David Griffin";
told a long, detailed account of the "pizza schism" between Cicero
and Behman (Monnastre) over an initiation Behman gave to David
Griffin in Cicero's Florida home -- see above under Behman)
(ANON Emailer claims this may be a spoof on the real Mark Christie
-- note spelling difference -- XXX this needs research and revision)
nobody @dizum.com / Nomen Nescio = ANON Nomen
(unknown user, Nomen Nescio is a term found in many public gateways
especially in Europe)
(in 2005 accused Robert Zink of posting most if not all material
that defames David Griffin under "license" of Chic Cicero)
***@gmail.com = ANON Personalmagic
(claimed that there is no evidence linking Zink or Cicero to the
defamations posted against Griffin, 2006)
regulus -- see fr_regulus = ANON regulus
***@aol.com = ANON Sar Draconis
(widely believed to be a usenet pseudonym of Robert Word since 1997)
(see Word, Robert -- unless Sar Draconis later proven not to be Word)
***@yahoo.com = ANON soror_fairplay
("In 1998 I was 48 years old" -- claims to have been born c. 1950)
(claims to be a member of "four groups" of esoteric orders, 2006)
(chides ANON Trevor for accusing Zink of wrongdoing, asks for proof)
***@yahoo.com - ANON sria_scams
(cited "renowned Golden Dawn hi[s]torian Anthon[e]y Fleming"
aka Tony Fuller in a post debunking claimed SRIAm links to GD lineage)
(claims ANON Jean is Maria Babwasingh, 2007)
(consistently posts material attacking Cicero and Babwasingh)
***@yahoo.de = ANON sria_truth
(posts from Germany)
(accused me (cat yronwode) of being an "agent of Chic Cicero")
(later posted, "I am a member of the Cicero HOGD. I remain anonymous
or I would be expelled for voicing dissent. I am tired of our
leaders suing everyone and their obsession with David Griffin
and Robert Word.")
(claimed "there are between 30-50 active members left in Chic's order,"
that Griffin's order has 2,800 active members and Griffin's (Yahoo)
forum has 8,000 members)
(note: the above 3 things do not mesh; if ANON sria_truth is a HOGD-C
member, he would not accuse me of being a Cicero agent and then claim
that Griffin is more popular than Cicero. Ergo, ANON sria_truth is
best approached as a Griffin double agent, posing as a Cicero member.)
***@yahoo.co.uk [signed posts as "Jean"] = ANON Jean
(posts from England; extensive usenet history in early music newsgroups)
(claimed self not to be Maria Babwahsingh, repeatedly, 2007)
("I am not Maria Babwasingh and am not even in the Soc Ros in America")
(claimed Robert Word had "an unhappy career" with Soc Ros in America)
(claimed Robert Word has attacked Soc Ros in America)
(claimed Robert Word had said something about BOTA, and FLO)
(posted a list of names of those opposed to Robert Word)
(posted a lengthy history of events, cited in depth above)
(ANON sria_truth claimed Cicero admitted ANON Jean is Babwasingh, 2007;
but note that ANON sria_truth is probably a Griffin double agent and
may have no real access to Cicero.)
(XXX pick up and insert many recent usenet posts)
wifebeatersbusters (***@yahoo.com) = ANON wifebeatersbusters
(posted the URL http://geocities.com/wifebeaterbusters/
and explains that "The above website documents Chic Cicero's history of
spousal abuse. The arrest documents from Columbus, GA are real and he
still has an outstanding warrant, which is why he Fled to Florida.")
ORGANIZATIONS
Ahathoor Temple in Paris
(affiliated with Griffin's HOGD (after Griffin split from Cicero))
(run by Jean Pascal Ruggiu says ANON Jean)
AMORC Ancient Mystical Order of the Rosy Cross
(founded by H. Spencer Lewis; headquartered in San Jose, California)
(well known for its beautiful Egyptian museum and outreach programs
through popular magazines whereby it sells a correspondence course)
(battled Clymer's RF in an earlier Rosicrucian grudge-match, 1935)
("there are other 'inner' groups in AMORC that operate rather
differently to the external manifestation. Some of them operate using
alternate lineages and materials they would not want the broader
membership to be aware of," says ANON Jean)
(Clymer, fronting his own RF group, claimed in the book "The
Rosicrucian Fraternity in America" (1935) that one of the AMORC's
"alternate lineages" was a 1921 charter from the OTO of Aleister
Crowley, which he described as "a black cult of the Black Brotherhood";
he further claimed that Crowley was "the Black master and Secret
Chief" of AMORC's leader H. Spencer Lewis)
AOMR, August Order of the Mystic Rose
(Chief adept is Robert Word; order allied with Griffin's HOGD A+O)
BOTA, Builders of the Adytum
(founded by Paul Foster Case, using some teachings of original HOGD)
(ANON Jean claimed Robert Word said something (but what?) about BOTA)
EOGD, Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn
(leader is Robert Zink, an ally of Chic Cicero)
(EOGD "improperly licensed" by Chic Cicero" claims ANON Trevor)
(said by ANON Jean to not be too involved in the Cicero-Griffin fight)
(said by Trevor Walker to be the creator of Griffin defamation sites)
(major anti-EOGD poster is ANON Trevor, self-proclaimed "proud"
HOGD A+O member who in 2006 condemned "[the] EOGD; where bloodletting,
mutilation, flogging, and the 'blood on the rose' is part of the
non-traditional additions of your 5=6 initiation ceremony. Indeed,
filed under the list of requirements for Zink's, EOGD's, 5=6
Adeptus Minor initiation ceremony is 'Razor Blades and Bandages'."
-- but how non-EOGD ANON Trevor came to know this is unknown)
FLO Fellowship of Light
(mentioned in a post by ANON Jean)
(ANON Jean claimed Robert Word said something (but what?) about FLO)
FARC Freres-Aines de la Rose-Croix
(founded by (?) Roger Caro says ANON Jean)
(Caro had claimed Templar lineage dating to 1318, says ANON Jean)
(contains a subset called by ANON Jean "Freres-Aines researchers")
(transmitted Templar lineage to Griffin and Ruggiu, says ANON Jean)
(were in "esoteric transmission" contact with Griffin, says ANON Jean)
(lineage had been made with forged documents in the 1970s, says ANON Jean)
(falsified documents admitted by Carmain, who was "a Priory of Sion
researcher," says ANON Jean. This happened "during a sequence of events
that involved Carmain's grandfather," says ANON Jean.)
(after this, FARC ceased esoteric contact with Griffin says ANON Jean)
HOGD Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn
(late 19th century British occult order with its own schismatic history)
HOGD-C "Chic Cicero's GD", Cicero's Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn
(based in Florida)
("members of Chic Cicero's GD organisation had established successful
temples in the UK in the early years of this decade [200s]," says ANON Jean)
(In Feb, 2007, HOGD-C won a lawsuit entitling it to sole use of the
HOGD name and acronym in the USA, says ANON Jean)
("Actually, Griffin was sued by Cicero in a frivolous lawsuit which
tried to prevent Griffin from using the HOGD name in the USA. Cicero
lost, Griffin is still using the name, and now Cicero eats dog food
after having bankrupted himself in the process," says ANON sria_scams)
("order is more widespread [than HOGD-G] but we are talking about 50
per
temple. Surely less than 1000 [members] total," says ANON Jean)
("there are between 30-50 active members left in Chic's order" says
ANON sria_truth)
HOGD-G HOGD A+O "Griffin's GD", Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn Alpha
+ Omega
(repeatedly accused of being a Nazi front by the anon. posters
gdtruth666 and gd.insight, who post defamation website URLs to usenet)
(In Feb. 2007 lost a lawsuit to Chic Cicero and may no longer use the
HOGD
name and acronym in the USA, says ANON Jean, who adds that the court
decision has not been enforced in the USA as of May, 2007, which may
be a moot point due to Griffin's relocation to Germany)
("Actually, Griffin was sued by Cicero in a frivolous lawsuit which
tried to prevent Griffin from using the HOGD name in the USA. Cicero
lost, Griffin is still using the name, and now Cicero eats dog food
after having bankrupted himself in the process," says ANON sria_scams)
("Griffin's order still today calls itself the Hermetic Order of the
Golden Dawn because it won the right to do that while bankrupting
Cicero
in the process," says ANON sria_scams)
("alleged to have as few as 24 longterm members", says ANON Jean, 2007)
("Griffin's order has 2,800 active members and Griffin's (Yahoo)
forum has 8,000 members" says sria_truth, may, 2007))
(Griffin's USA temples said to have been closed in 2006, says ANON Jean)
("Griffin's HOGD/A+O still operates temples in both Sweden and in the
UK
[...] HOGD/A+O still operates temples throughout Europe and North
America [no mention of USA] and is larger than ever following their
defeating Cicero in court [in 2007], says ANON sria_scams)
HOMSI, Hermetic Order of the Morning Star Incorporated (?)
(said to be a "cult" led by "known sexual predator Robert Zink"
by anonymous anti-Zink posters, 2006 XXX get names of ANONs and log them)
(said by ANON Jean to not be involved in the Cicero-Griffin HOGD fight)
(said by ANON emailer to have reorganized as the EOGD when Chic
threatened Zink with a lawsuit over the GD trademark, then gave them
a GD charter because Griffin had stolen the trademark and Chic was
essentially asserting his right to bestow the trademark.
OSOGD Open Source Order of the Golden Dawn
(Chief adept is Sam Webster; group formed circa 2003 XXX check date)
(alleged to be Satanists in usenet -- check for names of posters)
(alleged to be Satanists in Wikipedia but allegation withdrawn; check
Wiki history of OSOGD page for names of page revisers)
(ANON Emailer says in 2003 they got a Cicero GD warrant during the
Griffin thing, granting them right to use the name Open Source Order
of the Golden Dawn but this was naked licensing -- XXX define naked
licensing-- during settlement proceedings, Cicero's lawyer Zimmerman
avoided this pitfall on the basis of Cicero's ignorance of trademark
law.)
RF Rosicrucian Federation
(Reuben Swinburne Clymer's organized bowdlerization of the works of
Paschal Beverly Randolph ("The Rosicrucian"); battled AMORC in the
1930s,
most notably claiming that AMORC was chartered in 1921 by the OTO,
which
latter Clymer characterized as "a black cult of the Black Brotherhood;"
Clymer's scurrilous attacks on the AMORC did not dim its popularity.
XXX cite Clymer's book)
RO A+O Rosicrucian Order of Alpha et Omega
(An order that is umbrellaed with Griffin's HOGD, hence HOGD A+O)
SCRIF Societas Rosicruciana in Civitatibus Foederatus
(Sar Draconis (see Robert Word) is Adeptus Exemptus -- usenet, May,
2007)
(SCRIF claims to be "the only regular and masonically recognized branch
of the Societas Rosicruciana located within the territory of the United
States" -- May, 2007)
SIM Sovereign Imperium of the Mysteries
(family of orders spuriously chartered by Desmond Bourke, says ANON Jean)
SOM-OGD Sanctuary of Ma'at - Order of the Golden Dawn
(XXX add ANON Emailer material re Mark Griggs, who also got Cicero GD
warrant during the Griffin thing same deal as HOMSI/EOGD and OSOGD --
add all, plus add naked licensing note same as for OSOGD and EOGD)
SR+C Sodalitas Rosae+Crucis
("a large and rather convoluted order" in Sweden, says ANON Jean)
(used material pilfered from Griffin and other orders, says ANON Jean)
(may no longer continue to exist, says ANON Jean)
SRIAmerica, SRIAm, Soc Ros in America, Societas Rosicruciana in America
(an American Rosicrucian Society)
(led by "Plummer" and "Mother Serena, Plummer's widow" says ANON Jean)
("had temples in places like Liberia and Sierra Leone owing to the
immigration of African-Americans to those countries" and "may have had
maybe one thousand active members at a time then" says ANON Jean)
("DID RUN a correspondence course [...] like AMORC, and probably
relying on that and publishing Plummers' books, they remained a large
enough operation to function from 1909 until today [2007], says ANON Jean).
("laboured under an early accusation of AE Waite that the order had no
claim on Rosicrucian history and no legitimacy. Gilbert, a fan of
Waite's,
rescued the group from this overly-eager dismissal by Waite, proving
that the Order did have 'valid' connections and did conduct itself
in as 'authentic' a manner as could be expected." -- ANON Jean, 2007)
("salvaged" in 1997 by R. A. Gilbert at a GD conference, says ANON
Jean)
(the Gilbert paper that "rescued" and "salvaged" the reputation of the
SRIA was titled 'The Lost Stepchild in America' according to ANON Jean)
(in a paper "titled 'SRIA Mothers or Thieves?' [David Griffin]
suggested
... that the SRIA[m] had 'stolen' a [Mackenzie] lineage intended for
the
GD," says ANON Jean)
(Lucia Grolsch was Imperatrix of the SRIAm circa 1997, says ANON Jean)
(ANON Jean says, "The Imperatrix-ship of Lucia Grolsch (or Grosch) led
to a decline to 'a fraction' of those previous numbers. ... I am sure
the group was never even 10% the size of AMORC, so at best, probably a
few thousand members in its heyday seems reasonable.")
(Grolsh responsible for bad "land deal" that hurt SRIAm, says ANON Jean)
(Cicero pistol-whipped octagenarian Lucia Grosch, in the 1980s, according
to ANON sria_scams. This anonymous claim is so extraordinary it should
be
read in full; see it under the heading for Grolsch / Grosch)
(order recognised by Chic Cicero's HOGD, claims ANON Jean)
(current Imperatrix is Maria Babwasingh)
SRIAnglia, SRIAn, Soc Ros in Anglia, Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia
(a British Rosicrucian Society)
(R. A. Gilbert is a member, claims ANON Jean)
(a member of the SRIAn, Desmond Bourke, issued false charters
and gave rites to anyone who asked during the 1960s-70s says ANON Jean)
("the material [that Word and Griffin] asserted proved [that SRIA
lineage had been stolen from Mackenzie material meant for the
original HOGD] was suppressed by the SRIA in 1947 and was to do
with other matters entirely" (!!!) claims ANON Jean, then clarifies,
"The 'suppressed' material Word and Griffin alleged was about a
stolen lineage was about an early feud in the SRIA. They suppressed
it (dumb idea, by the way) because it was uncomfortably close to a
feud that was going on in the SRIA at the time, about 1947. The SRIA
is hardly the bed of roses that some commentators must wish to pretend.")
I want to thank those who have contributed. Please post any
further information, corrections, testimonies, verifications, or
objections, please!
cat yronwode
who is ANONYMOUS is marked ANON in all-capital letters and the
reader should refer to the ANONYMOUS USENET POSTERS list for
further details on that poster, including theories (often by
other ANON posters) as to who that poster is.
This is a WORK IN PROGRESS. It will reach completed form on May 31st,
2007, to the best of my ability to work on it during my free time.
As of today, May 18th, many sections are incomplete and i have
logged at least a dozen more usenet posts for summarization and
inclusion which time constraints prevent my doing today. I also
have an extensive ANON email to summarize (see under ANON
Emailer) and there are historical usenet archive searches to be
made as well.
For my own convenience, certain sections contain the key term XXX --
this is a writer's convention marking sections in need of research,
writing, or revision -- i use my computer's find function to locate
XXX sections and work on them as i go. Normally, i would not release
a document with XXX inclusions -- i would work them all out before
publishing, even on usenet -- but it has been a few days since my
last update and i must leave for the weekend early (it is Friday),
so i am taking the unusual step of posting this with XXX markers
intact, so that those who are unsure of what i intend to include
will have a foretaste of the finished work and those who are
curious about my methodology may see how i assemble data.
DATES
(XXX NOTE! This timeline is INCOMPLETE and will be the next section to
be
updated, beginning May 21st -- see usenet posts for more and check for
dates in the ANON Emailer data.)
1981
Chic Cicero charged with discharging a firearm within city limits,
Muscogee County, GA.; data supplied by many; appears to be true.
(Case 43488, filed 2/3/81)
1983
Chic Cicero charged with wife beating/assault with a deadly weapon
Muskogee County, GA; data supplied by many; appears to be true.
(Case 47626X, aggravated assault, filed 8/31/83)
1997
Carroll "Poke" Runyon publishes "Secrets of the Golden Dawn Cypher
Manuscript" with foreword by Pat Zalewski and afterword by R. A.
Gilbert.
1997
"at a Golden Dawn conference in 1997 R. A. Gilbert delivered
a paper that effectively savaged the history and reputation of the
Societas Rosicruciana in America, an order that had been moribund
owing to a court dispute among senior members concerned with a land
deal that had gone wrong under the Imperatrix Lucia Grolsch. The
SRIAmerica was later revived by a member, and new Imperatrix, Soror
Maria, and continues to exist" -- says anonymous poster ANON Jean
2005 - 2007
Anonymous usenet posters cite links to rabidly anti-Griffin web pages,
filled with slanderous statements. Meanwhile, other anonymous usenet
posters publish details shaming and damaging to the reputations of
Cicero. All these posts seem to be backlash from the HOGD lawsuit.
2006
Griffin's HOGD temples in US see many members decamp to Cicero's
HOGD, says ANON Jean
2007 (February)
Griffin loses lawsuit to Cicero over the use of HOGD name in America,
then relocates in Germany, according to ANON Jean (date supplied by
ANON Asiya)
NAMES
(XXX NOTE! This list is INCOMPLETE and will be revised beginning May 22nd)
Babwahsingh, Maria (XXX find authoritative spelling of her name)
(called "The Dragonlady of the Golden Dawn" by ANON sria_scams)
("inherited a small fortune due to the former bootlegging
activities of her father (now deceased) during prihibition [sic].
She still enjoys friendly relations with the New Jersey mob,
which is how she first met Chic Cicero," says ANON sria_scams)
("has filed a long series of frivolous lawsuits, including against
Robert Word, Dale Buckholtz, and Robert Word [sic]" says sria_scams)
("initiated into the Golden Dawn by Cicero" says ANON sria_scams)
(during the 1980s, working in collaboration with the violent Cicero,
she coerced then SRIAm Imperatrix Lucia Grolsch/Grosch to relinquish
her title and organization, according to ANON sria_scams.
(said to have lots of Rosicrucian charters (?))
(revived SRIAm after Grolsch debacle, says ANON Jean)
(Imperatrix of SRIAm Societas Rosicruciana in America post-Grolsch)
(said by ANON sri_scams to be the person behind the ANON Jean posts;
this is denied by ANON Jean who says she is not Babwahsingh)
Behman, Patricia aka Monnastre, Cris
(as Monnastre wrote an intro to a Zalewski book listed at amazon)
(at one time was "romantically linked to David Griffin" and participated
in an initiation of Griffin in Cicero's home that ed to the so-called
"pizza schism" that separated Griffin from the HOGD-C. claimed ANON Mark
(???) in 2005 XXX this source needs checking with google usenet archive)
Bolks, Mark (posts to usenet as ***@yahoo.com)
(claims to be "a member of the HOGD/A+O" -- confirmed by ANON emailer)
(says there is "no Nazism within the Order at any level.")
(offers this opinion that, regarding the charge that Griffin's lawyer
Jorge Hevia was arrested on a DUI charge: "As for the 'DUI', I'm
sure it's one of the other 500 Jorge Hevias who live in the U.S.
Probably a truck driver with the same name. My bet is this could be
verified by public record.)
Bourke, Desmond
(said by ANON Jean to be in London, UK and to commit "antics")
(said by ANON Jean to give out false GD lineages)
(ran a "quasi-Masonic charter mill" 1960s - 70s, says ANON Jean)
(was a member of SRIAn, says ANON Jean)
("claimed a GD link through a Bristol temple" 1960s, says ANON Jean)
(Bristol temple GD link disproved by Pat Zalewski, says ANON Jean)
("had access to many rites at the SRIA headquarters, [and] spent much
of his time falsifying charters to issue"; dispensed charters to
"pretty much to anyone who asked," but later "confessed" and "recanted
because he was caught out" in a false charter scandal, says ANON Jean)
(his family of orders was the "Sovereign Imperium of the Mysteries")
(said by ANON Jean to be opposed by those who also oppose Robert Word)
Cicero, Chic (Charles Cicero Jr.)
1981, Chic Cicero charged with discharging a firearm within city limits,
Muscogee County, GA.; data supplied by many; appears to be true.
(Case 43488, filed 2/3/81)
1983, Chic Cicero charged with wife beating/assault with a deadly weapon
Muscogee County, GA; data supplied by many; appears to be true. His
wife at the time was named Eva Marie Cicero.
(Case 47626X, aggravated assault, filed 8/31/83)
(The rabidly anti-Cicero poster and defamation web site creator
ANON aria_scams presents this information in a slightly different way:
"Chic Cicero is not a convicted felon. [...] He [had] been arrested
some half a dozen times over the years, had managed to get off four
times, plead down to a misdemeanor twice, spent a few months in the
Hoboken lock-up followed by probation on the first, and got two years
straight probation on the second occasion. [...] he was arrested
in Georgia on criminal firearms charges in connection with an extortion
scheme (Muscogee Superior Court Case #43488) as well as for assault
with a deadly weapon in connection with a wife beating charge (Case
Number 47626X, filed by Eva Marie Cicero). He was subsequently was
released on $1,500 bail. The incident began when Eva Marie Cicero
flew into a jealous rage when she caught [ Chic] cheating on her with
a young stripper named "Samantha Midnight [later Tabitha Cicero]."
In response, Chic Cicero hit his wife Eva over the head with a glass
planter so hard that he was arrested for assault with a deadly weapon.
As is so often the case in instances of domestic violence, Eva Cicero
eventually dropped the charges against her husband. [...] the
aforementioned weapons charge in Columbus, GA still remains open, and
Chic Cicero fled Georgia to Florida shortly after it was filed.")
(Says ANON sria_truth, "I have telephoned the Columbus GA Court clerk
and have verified that the arrest documents concerning the arrest of
Chic "Charles" Cicero for violent offenses are authentic. One of them
still carries an outstanding arrest warrant in GA."
(head of a HOGD organization, according to ANON Jean and many others)
(initiated Maria Babwahsingh into the GD says sria_scams)
(is affiliated with the New Jersey mob (mafia) says sria_scams)
(owned a strip bar called he Shady lady, according to anon. posters)
{Says the rabidly anti-Cicero poster ANON sria_scams, "In the late
1970s,
[Cicero] tried to ingratiate himself with Grady MacMurtry, the Chief
of the OTO at the time. Chic was mildly successful, and began operating
an oasis of the OTO in Columbus in addition to his Shady Lady
operation.")
(pistol-whipped octagenarian Lucia Grosch, in the 1980s, according
to ANON sria_scams. This anonymous claim is so extraordinary it should
be
read in full; see it under the heading for Grolsch / Grosch)
(established temples in the UK in the early 2000s says ANON Jean)
(Feb. 2007, won lawsuit against Griffin's use of HOGD name, says
ANON Asiya)
("Actually, Griffin was sued by Cicero in a frivolous lawsuit which
tried to prevent Griffin from using the HOGD name in the USA. Cicero
lost, Griffin is still using the name, and now Cicero eats dog food
after having bankrupted himself in the process," says ANON sria_scams)
(XXX ANON Emailer Settlement info to be inserted here)
Cicero, Tabitha also spelled Tabatha by some detractors
(Chic Cicero's second wife)
(said to have been a stripper with the stage name Samantha Midnight)
(said to have worked in the Shady Lady bar owned by Chic Cicero)
(XXX ANON Emailer pizza schism ascension to Chief to be inserted here)
Fatboy -- see ANONYMOUS USENET POSTERS
Fleming, Anthony -- see also Fuller, Tony
("renowned Golden Dawn hi[s]torian" says ANON sria_scams)
(said to be same as Tony Fuller, claims ANON sria_scams)
(said by sria_scams to have proved that SRIAm lineage is "made up."}
Fuller, Tony -- see also Fleming, Anthony
(said by ANON sria_scams to be identical with Fleming, Anthon[e]y
(quoted at length by sria_scams saying that SRIAm has little or no GD
content and arose independently)
Gilbert, R.A.
(said by ANON Jean to be a member of the SRIAnglia)
(said by ANON Jean to have "rescued" and "salvaged" the reputation
of
SRIAmerica in 1997 at a GD conference - for details, see under SRIAm)
(also according to ANON Jean, at the same conference, Gilbert presented
a paper containing his "considered explanation for the GD cyphers, that
they were the rituals for two stillborn orders, the Society of Eight
and the Sa'at B'hai")
(ally of Poke Runyon; wrote 1997 afterword to Runyon GD Cipher MS book)
(not known to post in usenet)
Grace-Bachman, Leigh-Ann
(posts to usenet under her motto "Soror M.D.L.L." aka ***@yahoo.com)
(claims to have been a member of HOGD A+O since 2005, and to have
received physical initiations to the grade of 3=8)
(avers there is no Nazi material in the HOGD A+O teachings or rites.)
(is herself opposed to racism and says that, in her personal knowledge,
people of all races, religions, and orientations are to be found in
HOGD / A+O, which is in no way a Nazi or racist group.)
(As a tutor in HOGD / A+O, she also states that she has students on 3
continents, knows David Griffin personally and respects him, and also
knows Jorge Hevia III.)
(believes that attacks against Griffin are motivated by jealousy over
his
creative contributions to GD studies and ritual work.)
(claims that the OSOGD "has been bashing and trashing the HOGD/A&O and
David Griffin for years.")
Griffin, David
(one time affiliate of Chic Cicero who had "fallen out" claims ANON Jean)
(Cris Monnastre "romantically linked to David Griffin" claims ANON
Mark,
who, in 2005, told how Behman (Monnastre) and Griffin broke with
Cicero during the "pizza schism", splitting the HOGD in two; see Behman)
(XXX insert ANON Emailer account of "pizza schism" which varies from
ANON Mark account in details and includes XXX Adam Forrest, for which
an entry should be started)
(claims SRIAm, SRIAn, and Cicero's GD were against him says ANON Jean)
(in a paper "titled 'SRIA Mothers or Thieves?' ... suggested ... that
the
SRIA[n] had 'stolen' a [Mackenzie] lineage intended for the GD," says
ANON Jean, who adds, "It is possible David is [...] sincere, as he has
a
poor grasp of history and relies [...] on what he is told by Word and
most unfortunately, by Ruggiu." ANON Jean claims the Word and Griffin
"attack on SRIAn" alleged SRIAn was based on a stolen Mackenzie lineage)
(claimed his Ahathoor Temple in Paris was long-running and threatened
to
sue "a NZ researcher" who said Ahathoor was a revival, says ANON Jean)
(founded a temple in UK says ANON Jean)
(theeatened "NZ researcher" was Roel van Leeuwen, claims ANON Emailer)
(attacked UK HOGD-C because it shared members with SRIAn said ANON Jean)
(c. 2000, Griffin's temple in the UK ceased to exist, claims ANON Jean)
(tried to found temple in Sweden but it defected as SR+C, says ANON Jean)
(said to be a Neo-Nazi by ANON gd.insight et al;obviously untrue slander)
(called an ecological activist by ANON regulus -- see Daily Cal article)
(XXX ANON Emailer supplied Daily Cal URL, insert here)
(the testimony of ANON regulus of hermetic.org is as follows:
"The photo [of Griffin in a Nazi uniform] was part of a news report,
which was repeated several times in alt.magick. [...] It said
categorically that it was an ecological demonstration with anti-racist
overtones. Racists do not make anti-racists speeches, Nazis do not
wear funny looking false mustaches mocking Hitler. Honestly, we all
know that Mr. Griffin is not a Nazi. [...] The article mentions that
there were people who were offended by the uniform, but stated quite
clearly what the intention was, which was to drive an ecological
message stressing unity of religion, unity of race home using shock
tactics. [...] Lots of people commented on the episode, people who are
not associated with and even antagonistic to with Mr. Griffin have
accepted this explanation."}
(has "failed manifestly to prove the authenticity of [his] lineages over
a long period of time" says ANON Jean (since circa 1997(?))
(ANON Jean claims that "it is further alleged that Griffin's US
temples,
at one time his power base, largely ceased to exist about a year ago
[2006], with many of the personnel decamping to the Cicero group.")
(Feb. 2007: lost lawsuit to Cicero and may no longer use the HOGD
name in the USA, say ANON Jean and ANON Asiya. ANON Jean adds that
the court decision has not been enforced in the USA as of May 2007,
which may be a moot point due to Griffin's relocation to Germany)
(XXX ANON Emailer Settlement info to be inserted here)
(now based in Germany and visits Amsterdam occasionally, says ANON Jean)
("he lives in America, since his website says he just spoke in Sedona,"
[in early 2007], says sria_scams)
Grolsch, Lucia (also spelled Grosch by sria_scams)
(Imperatrix of SRIAm Societas Rosicruciana in America circa 1997)
(responsible for a bad "land deal" that had hurt SRIAm, says ANON Jean)
(ANON sria_scams is quoted here verbatim: "!n the 1980's, the former
Imperatrix of the SRIA (America), Lucia Grosch, was being sued by
Frank Modica over a land deal gone sour. Grosch, in her 80s at the
time, was nearly destitute. Mariah Babwahsingh offered to finance
her legal bills and negotiate a settlement if Grosch would relinquish
control of the SRIA to Babwahsingh and Cicero. When she refused, she
was visited by Cicero who pistol whipped her and threatened to kill
her. The next day, Grosch signed over the SRIA to Babwasingh and
Cicero.")
(XXX Can anyone supply police or court records that substantiate
the charge of Cicero beating up an old woman in the 1980s?)
(XXX Can anyone check spelling of Grolsch / Grosch???)
Hevia, Jorge
(said to have been Griffin's lawyer)
(said to have been arrested for DUI)
(said to have been the Praemonstrator of Griffin's HOGD A+O)
(XXX ANON Emailer Settlement info to be inserted here)
Jean -- see ANONYMOUS USENET POSTERS
Mackenzie, Kenneth
(long dead affiliate of orig. HOGD; one possible author of GD Cipher MS)
(Griffin and Word claimed SRIAn stole Mackenzie lineage, says ANON
Jean)
Modica, Frank
(sued Lucia Grosch / Grolsch over a contested land deal in the 1980s,
according to sria_scams; the land deal situation also threatened to
destroy the SRIAm, according to ANON Jean, who did not mention Modica)
Monnastre, Cris -- see major entry under Behman, Patricia
Regulus -- see ANONYMOUS USENET POSTERS
Ruggiu, Jean Pascal (XXX also spelled Reggiu by some usenet posters, check)
(associate of Nicolas Tereshenko in France says ANON Mark)
(he and Tereshenko, who were "con artists", gave Griffin a GD lineage
says ANON Mark)
(Griffin's French partner, claims ANON Jean)
(ran Griffin's Ahathoor temple in Paris, says ANON Jean)
(note that there is an anon poster named Jean and one named regulus)
Runyon, Carroll ("Poke")
(founder of his own occult orders, neither of which are GD/Ros orders)
(ally of Pat Zalewski, who wrote foreword to Runyon GD Cipher MS book)
(ally of R.A. Gilbert, who wrote afterword to Runyon GD Cipher MS book)
(battled Robert Word in usenet for years during the 1990s)
Tereshenko, Nicolas
(associate of Jean Pascal Ruggiu in France says ANON Mark)
(he and Ruggiu, "con artists", gave Griffin a GD lineage says ANON Mark)
van Leeuwen, Roel
("A NZ Rosicrucian historian" demonstrated that Ahathoor Temple was a
revival, and Griffin threated to sue him but never did, claims ANON Jean)
("I believe that the NZ Rosicrucian that you have referenced that
Griffin has tried to sue is Roel van Leeuwen. His work about the
Golden Dawn and other esoteric schools in New Zealand can be found at
http://www.ace.net.au/darkmoon/nzoccult.htm
His commentaries on Griffin, the Ahathoor Temple NO 7 in Paris can be
found at http://www.ace.net.au/darkmoon/addition.htm -- says ANON Josef)
(XXX insert ANON Emailer confirms this)
Walker, Trevor (posts to usenet as ***@Hotmail.co.uk)
(posts from the United Kingdom)
("in 1998, I was 16 years of age and in college" - born c. 1982)
(claims to me a member of Griffin's HOGD/A+O and confidently
asserts that the defamation sites accusing Griffin of being a Neo-Nazi
were created by Robert Zink (EOGD) and Chic Cicero (HOGD-C).)
(claims, "I am in no doubt whatsoever that you [Robert Zink] are
none other than 'gd.insights'" -- 2006)
(says, "sexual predator and cult leader Robert Zink, of the
inappropriately named and improperly licensed "Esoteric Order of the
Golden Dawn," is desperate to divert the attention away the fact that
he knowingly sexually abused an underage daughter of one of his own
study group members" -- for more on this, see under Zink)
(says, "I caught Zink, red handed, advertising the connection between
Nazism and Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, under his own identity
on this very forum.", 2006)
Westlund, Tommy
(XXX add extensive testimony of ANON Emailer re Westlund ripping off
rituals from Griffin to found Swedish SR+C Sodalitas Rosae+Crucis)
Wilson, Bruce ("Col" -- implying military affiliations (?))
(said by ANON Jean to have written a history -- but of what?)
(XXX ANON Emailer claim about Bruce Wilson article never being
seen in full but still used as a Wikipedia source to be inserted here)
Word, Robert
(said by many to post to usenet as Sar Draconis, ***@aol.com)
(XXX ANON Emailer and others allege Word is Sar Draconis insert)
(Sar Draconis attacked Zalewski and Gilbert ally Runyon in usenet, 1990s)
(said by ANON Jean to have attacked SRIAm)
(said by ANON Jean to have had "an unhappy career" with SRIAm)
(with Griffin, aattacked SRIAn with a claim that SRIAn operated under
a stolen Mackenzie lineage, says ANON Jean)
(Word and Griffin got charters via Bourke of the SRIAn, says ANON Jean)
(Bourke "claimed a GD link through a Bristol temple in the 60s" and
when
the Bristol temple's GD link was disproved by Pat Zalewski, says ANON
Jean, Word had a "lot of anger" for Zalewski)
(Word's anger at Zalewski would explain his hostile usenet behaviour
toward Runyon, a known friend and ally of Zalewski (see Runyon entry))
(Chief Adept of the Order of the Mystic Rose, allied with Griffin's HOGD)
(called Griffin's HOGD's "historian" on their web site, says ANON Jean)
(has denied alliance with Griffin, says ANON Jean)
(self-claimed Adeptus Exemptus of Societas Rosicruciana in Civitatibus
Foederatus (SRICF), "the only regular and masonically recognized branch
of the Societas Rosicruciana located within the territory of the United
States" -- May, 2007)
(XXX pick up and insert more Sar Draconis recent usenet posts here)
Zalewski, Chris
(former wife of Pat, according to unreliable Wikipedia)
Zalewski, Pat
(connected to "Ware Ra," my favourite "weird word of the week")
(ally of Poke Runyon; wrote 1997 foreword to Runyon GD Cipher MS book)
(Word and Griffin got charters via Bourke of the SRIAn, says ANON Jean,
who adds that Zalewski disproved Bourke claim of "a GD link through a
Bristol temple in the 60s" which was important in the charters of Word
and Griffin;this disclosure by Zalewski explains Word's "anger", says
ANON Jean)
(Word's anger at Zalewski may also explains Word's 1990s usenet
hostility
toward Runyon, a known Zalewski ally)
Zink, Robert
(a name mentioned in these feuds as early as 1999)
(former leader of HOMSI, current leader of the EOGD)
(signs posts Frater P.D.R. but not all posts originate from same mailer)
(accused of being a sexual predator by Walker, see EOGD XXX revise
this!)
(XXX ANON Emailer explains Zink's marriage to the woman, insert here)
(opposed to Griffin and allied with Cicero according to many anons.)
(says anon. Nomen Nescio 2005: "There does exist, however, quite
substantial proof that Robert Zink, operating under license of Chic
Cicero, is directly responsible for a vast number, if not all,
harassment
and abuse directed towards David Griffin.")
(in 2006 Trevor Walker identified Zink as ANON gd.insights, one of the *
in 2006 anti-Griffin site posters,)
ANONYMOUS USENET POSTERS
ANON emailer
(long-time American occultist who contacted me in email after having
seen
the recent series of posts of which this is one. He supplied many dates,
names, and legal data, all confirmed by other sources. In addition to
independently giving me the real names of some people whom i would have
otherwise classified as ANONs because i did not know them, he also
supplied the missing link in the tale of the Griffin-Cicero lawsuit,
namely that although each side has claimed that the other has "lost"
and
their side has "won," the fact is that the matter was concluded with a
SETTLEMENT. A member of neither HOGD-G or HOGD-C, he admits to slightly
favouring Cicero's side, but was remarkably fair in recitation of
events.
He also gave follow-up information regarding the accusations made
by Trevor Walker against the EOGD's Robert Zink -- see under Zink.)
asiya ***@sbcSORATHglobal.net http://www.asiya.org/ = ANON Asiya
(long-time alt.magick poster, supplied date of Griffin lawsuit "loss")
***@yahoo.com = ANON eogdtruth
(posted anti Chic Cicero material in usenet, 2006)
Fatboy -- see ***@yahoo.com = ANON Mark
***@yahoo.com [signed post as "regulus"] = ANON regulus
(asserts that Griffin is not a Nazi. See above under Griffin)
(claims David Griffin has "contempt of racist attitudes")
(reported "gd.insight" to Google for "defamatory and false posts")
(says, "As for my nick, I have used Regulus for years, and no
other motto, I am well known and my website is www.hermetics.org .
[...] I contributed occult film titles to your list [list
of movies about magic maintained by my husband nagasiva yronwode]
years ago with the same motto. The fact that I use a motto does
not mean that I have anything to hide.")
(XXX insert Turkish material, name Kemel from recent usenet post)
***@yahoo.com = ANON gdtruthseeker
(posted material opposing Robert Zink and EOGD in usenet, 2005)
***@yahoo.com = ANON gdtruth666
(anonymous poster who associated David Griffin with Nazism, 2006)
(claims "HOGD A+O is a front for a Nazi Organization")
***@yahoo.com = ANON gd.insight
(posted URLs associating David Griffin with Nazis, 2006, 2007)
(was reported to google for defamatory post by ANON regulus, 2007)
(identified as Robert Zink by ANON Trevor, 2006)
Jean -- see teletourgos = ANON Jean
***@merlin.home-net [Josef] = ANON Josef
(posted info on AOMR, Robert Word, and Word's link to Griffin)
(identified "A NZ Rosicrucian historian" mentioned by ANON Jean
as Roel van Leeuwen)
***@yahoo.com [aka Fatboy / Mark Christy] = ANON Mark
(in 2005 said Cris Monnastre "romantically linked to David Griffin";
told a long, detailed account of the "pizza schism" between Cicero
and Behman (Monnastre) over an initiation Behman gave to David
Griffin in Cicero's Florida home -- see above under Behman)
(ANON Emailer claims this may be a spoof on the real Mark Christie
-- note spelling difference -- XXX this needs research and revision)
nobody @dizum.com / Nomen Nescio = ANON Nomen
(unknown user, Nomen Nescio is a term found in many public gateways
especially in Europe)
(in 2005 accused Robert Zink of posting most if not all material
that defames David Griffin under "license" of Chic Cicero)
***@gmail.com = ANON Personalmagic
(claimed that there is no evidence linking Zink or Cicero to the
defamations posted against Griffin, 2006)
regulus -- see fr_regulus = ANON regulus
***@aol.com = ANON Sar Draconis
(widely believed to be a usenet pseudonym of Robert Word since 1997)
(see Word, Robert -- unless Sar Draconis later proven not to be Word)
***@yahoo.com = ANON soror_fairplay
("In 1998 I was 48 years old" -- claims to have been born c. 1950)
(claims to be a member of "four groups" of esoteric orders, 2006)
(chides ANON Trevor for accusing Zink of wrongdoing, asks for proof)
***@yahoo.com - ANON sria_scams
(cited "renowned Golden Dawn hi[s]torian Anthon[e]y Fleming"
aka Tony Fuller in a post debunking claimed SRIAm links to GD lineage)
(claims ANON Jean is Maria Babwasingh, 2007)
(consistently posts material attacking Cicero and Babwasingh)
***@yahoo.de = ANON sria_truth
(posts from Germany)
(accused me (cat yronwode) of being an "agent of Chic Cicero")
(later posted, "I am a member of the Cicero HOGD. I remain anonymous
or I would be expelled for voicing dissent. I am tired of our
leaders suing everyone and their obsession with David Griffin
and Robert Word.")
(claimed "there are between 30-50 active members left in Chic's order,"
that Griffin's order has 2,800 active members and Griffin's (Yahoo)
forum has 8,000 members)
(note: the above 3 things do not mesh; if ANON sria_truth is a HOGD-C
member, he would not accuse me of being a Cicero agent and then claim
that Griffin is more popular than Cicero. Ergo, ANON sria_truth is
best approached as a Griffin double agent, posing as a Cicero member.)
***@yahoo.co.uk [signed posts as "Jean"] = ANON Jean
(posts from England; extensive usenet history in early music newsgroups)
(claimed self not to be Maria Babwahsingh, repeatedly, 2007)
("I am not Maria Babwasingh and am not even in the Soc Ros in America")
(claimed Robert Word had "an unhappy career" with Soc Ros in America)
(claimed Robert Word has attacked Soc Ros in America)
(claimed Robert Word had said something about BOTA, and FLO)
(posted a list of names of those opposed to Robert Word)
(posted a lengthy history of events, cited in depth above)
(ANON sria_truth claimed Cicero admitted ANON Jean is Babwasingh, 2007;
but note that ANON sria_truth is probably a Griffin double agent and
may have no real access to Cicero.)
(XXX pick up and insert many recent usenet posts)
wifebeatersbusters (***@yahoo.com) = ANON wifebeatersbusters
(posted the URL http://geocities.com/wifebeaterbusters/
and explains that "The above website documents Chic Cicero's history of
spousal abuse. The arrest documents from Columbus, GA are real and he
still has an outstanding warrant, which is why he Fled to Florida.")
ORGANIZATIONS
Ahathoor Temple in Paris
(affiliated with Griffin's HOGD (after Griffin split from Cicero))
(run by Jean Pascal Ruggiu says ANON Jean)
AMORC Ancient Mystical Order of the Rosy Cross
(founded by H. Spencer Lewis; headquartered in San Jose, California)
(well known for its beautiful Egyptian museum and outreach programs
through popular magazines whereby it sells a correspondence course)
(battled Clymer's RF in an earlier Rosicrucian grudge-match, 1935)
("there are other 'inner' groups in AMORC that operate rather
differently to the external manifestation. Some of them operate using
alternate lineages and materials they would not want the broader
membership to be aware of," says ANON Jean)
(Clymer, fronting his own RF group, claimed in the book "The
Rosicrucian Fraternity in America" (1935) that one of the AMORC's
"alternate lineages" was a 1921 charter from the OTO of Aleister
Crowley, which he described as "a black cult of the Black Brotherhood";
he further claimed that Crowley was "the Black master and Secret
Chief" of AMORC's leader H. Spencer Lewis)
AOMR, August Order of the Mystic Rose
(Chief adept is Robert Word; order allied with Griffin's HOGD A+O)
BOTA, Builders of the Adytum
(founded by Paul Foster Case, using some teachings of original HOGD)
(ANON Jean claimed Robert Word said something (but what?) about BOTA)
EOGD, Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn
(leader is Robert Zink, an ally of Chic Cicero)
(EOGD "improperly licensed" by Chic Cicero" claims ANON Trevor)
(said by ANON Jean to not be too involved in the Cicero-Griffin fight)
(said by Trevor Walker to be the creator of Griffin defamation sites)
(major anti-EOGD poster is ANON Trevor, self-proclaimed "proud"
HOGD A+O member who in 2006 condemned "[the] EOGD; where bloodletting,
mutilation, flogging, and the 'blood on the rose' is part of the
non-traditional additions of your 5=6 initiation ceremony. Indeed,
filed under the list of requirements for Zink's, EOGD's, 5=6
Adeptus Minor initiation ceremony is 'Razor Blades and Bandages'."
-- but how non-EOGD ANON Trevor came to know this is unknown)
FLO Fellowship of Light
(mentioned in a post by ANON Jean)
(ANON Jean claimed Robert Word said something (but what?) about FLO)
FARC Freres-Aines de la Rose-Croix
(founded by (?) Roger Caro says ANON Jean)
(Caro had claimed Templar lineage dating to 1318, says ANON Jean)
(contains a subset called by ANON Jean "Freres-Aines researchers")
(transmitted Templar lineage to Griffin and Ruggiu, says ANON Jean)
(were in "esoteric transmission" contact with Griffin, says ANON Jean)
(lineage had been made with forged documents in the 1970s, says ANON Jean)
(falsified documents admitted by Carmain, who was "a Priory of Sion
researcher," says ANON Jean. This happened "during a sequence of events
that involved Carmain's grandfather," says ANON Jean.)
(after this, FARC ceased esoteric contact with Griffin says ANON Jean)
HOGD Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn
(late 19th century British occult order with its own schismatic history)
HOGD-C "Chic Cicero's GD", Cicero's Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn
(based in Florida)
("members of Chic Cicero's GD organisation had established successful
temples in the UK in the early years of this decade [200s]," says ANON Jean)
(In Feb, 2007, HOGD-C won a lawsuit entitling it to sole use of the
HOGD name and acronym in the USA, says ANON Jean)
("Actually, Griffin was sued by Cicero in a frivolous lawsuit which
tried to prevent Griffin from using the HOGD name in the USA. Cicero
lost, Griffin is still using the name, and now Cicero eats dog food
after having bankrupted himself in the process," says ANON sria_scams)
("order is more widespread [than HOGD-G] but we are talking about 50
per
temple. Surely less than 1000 [members] total," says ANON Jean)
("there are between 30-50 active members left in Chic's order" says
ANON sria_truth)
HOGD-G HOGD A+O "Griffin's GD", Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn Alpha
+ Omega
(repeatedly accused of being a Nazi front by the anon. posters
gdtruth666 and gd.insight, who post defamation website URLs to usenet)
(In Feb. 2007 lost a lawsuit to Chic Cicero and may no longer use the
HOGD
name and acronym in the USA, says ANON Jean, who adds that the court
decision has not been enforced in the USA as of May, 2007, which may
be a moot point due to Griffin's relocation to Germany)
("Actually, Griffin was sued by Cicero in a frivolous lawsuit which
tried to prevent Griffin from using the HOGD name in the USA. Cicero
lost, Griffin is still using the name, and now Cicero eats dog food
after having bankrupted himself in the process," says ANON sria_scams)
("Griffin's order still today calls itself the Hermetic Order of the
Golden Dawn because it won the right to do that while bankrupting
Cicero
in the process," says ANON sria_scams)
("alleged to have as few as 24 longterm members", says ANON Jean, 2007)
("Griffin's order has 2,800 active members and Griffin's (Yahoo)
forum has 8,000 members" says sria_truth, may, 2007))
(Griffin's USA temples said to have been closed in 2006, says ANON Jean)
("Griffin's HOGD/A+O still operates temples in both Sweden and in the
UK
[...] HOGD/A+O still operates temples throughout Europe and North
America [no mention of USA] and is larger than ever following their
defeating Cicero in court [in 2007], says ANON sria_scams)
HOMSI, Hermetic Order of the Morning Star Incorporated (?)
(said to be a "cult" led by "known sexual predator Robert Zink"
by anonymous anti-Zink posters, 2006 XXX get names of ANONs and log them)
(said by ANON Jean to not be involved in the Cicero-Griffin HOGD fight)
(said by ANON emailer to have reorganized as the EOGD when Chic
threatened Zink with a lawsuit over the GD trademark, then gave them
a GD charter because Griffin had stolen the trademark and Chic was
essentially asserting his right to bestow the trademark.
OSOGD Open Source Order of the Golden Dawn
(Chief adept is Sam Webster; group formed circa 2003 XXX check date)
(alleged to be Satanists in usenet -- check for names of posters)
(alleged to be Satanists in Wikipedia but allegation withdrawn; check
Wiki history of OSOGD page for names of page revisers)
(ANON Emailer says in 2003 they got a Cicero GD warrant during the
Griffin thing, granting them right to use the name Open Source Order
of the Golden Dawn but this was naked licensing -- XXX define naked
licensing-- during settlement proceedings, Cicero's lawyer Zimmerman
avoided this pitfall on the basis of Cicero's ignorance of trademark
law.)
RF Rosicrucian Federation
(Reuben Swinburne Clymer's organized bowdlerization of the works of
Paschal Beverly Randolph ("The Rosicrucian"); battled AMORC in the
1930s,
most notably claiming that AMORC was chartered in 1921 by the OTO,
which
latter Clymer characterized as "a black cult of the Black Brotherhood;"
Clymer's scurrilous attacks on the AMORC did not dim its popularity.
XXX cite Clymer's book)
RO A+O Rosicrucian Order of Alpha et Omega
(An order that is umbrellaed with Griffin's HOGD, hence HOGD A+O)
SCRIF Societas Rosicruciana in Civitatibus Foederatus
(Sar Draconis (see Robert Word) is Adeptus Exemptus -- usenet, May,
2007)
(SCRIF claims to be "the only regular and masonically recognized branch
of the Societas Rosicruciana located within the territory of the United
States" -- May, 2007)
SIM Sovereign Imperium of the Mysteries
(family of orders spuriously chartered by Desmond Bourke, says ANON Jean)
SOM-OGD Sanctuary of Ma'at - Order of the Golden Dawn
(XXX add ANON Emailer material re Mark Griggs, who also got Cicero GD
warrant during the Griffin thing same deal as HOMSI/EOGD and OSOGD --
add all, plus add naked licensing note same as for OSOGD and EOGD)
SR+C Sodalitas Rosae+Crucis
("a large and rather convoluted order" in Sweden, says ANON Jean)
(used material pilfered from Griffin and other orders, says ANON Jean)
(may no longer continue to exist, says ANON Jean)
SRIAmerica, SRIAm, Soc Ros in America, Societas Rosicruciana in America
(an American Rosicrucian Society)
(led by "Plummer" and "Mother Serena, Plummer's widow" says ANON Jean)
("had temples in places like Liberia and Sierra Leone owing to the
immigration of African-Americans to those countries" and "may have had
maybe one thousand active members at a time then" says ANON Jean)
("DID RUN a correspondence course [...] like AMORC, and probably
relying on that and publishing Plummers' books, they remained a large
enough operation to function from 1909 until today [2007], says ANON Jean).
("laboured under an early accusation of AE Waite that the order had no
claim on Rosicrucian history and no legitimacy. Gilbert, a fan of
Waite's,
rescued the group from this overly-eager dismissal by Waite, proving
that the Order did have 'valid' connections and did conduct itself
in as 'authentic' a manner as could be expected." -- ANON Jean, 2007)
("salvaged" in 1997 by R. A. Gilbert at a GD conference, says ANON
Jean)
(the Gilbert paper that "rescued" and "salvaged" the reputation of the
SRIA was titled 'The Lost Stepchild in America' according to ANON Jean)
(in a paper "titled 'SRIA Mothers or Thieves?' [David Griffin]
suggested
... that the SRIA[m] had 'stolen' a [Mackenzie] lineage intended for
the
GD," says ANON Jean)
(Lucia Grolsch was Imperatrix of the SRIAm circa 1997, says ANON Jean)
(ANON Jean says, "The Imperatrix-ship of Lucia Grolsch (or Grosch) led
to a decline to 'a fraction' of those previous numbers. ... I am sure
the group was never even 10% the size of AMORC, so at best, probably a
few thousand members in its heyday seems reasonable.")
(Grolsh responsible for bad "land deal" that hurt SRIAm, says ANON Jean)
(Cicero pistol-whipped octagenarian Lucia Grosch, in the 1980s, according
to ANON sria_scams. This anonymous claim is so extraordinary it should
be
read in full; see it under the heading for Grolsch / Grosch)
(order recognised by Chic Cicero's HOGD, claims ANON Jean)
(current Imperatrix is Maria Babwasingh)
SRIAnglia, SRIAn, Soc Ros in Anglia, Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia
(a British Rosicrucian Society)
(R. A. Gilbert is a member, claims ANON Jean)
(a member of the SRIAn, Desmond Bourke, issued false charters
and gave rites to anyone who asked during the 1960s-70s says ANON Jean)
("the material [that Word and Griffin] asserted proved [that SRIA
lineage had been stolen from Mackenzie material meant for the
original HOGD] was suppressed by the SRIA in 1947 and was to do
with other matters entirely" (!!!) claims ANON Jean, then clarifies,
"The 'suppressed' material Word and Griffin alleged was about a
stolen lineage was about an early feud in the SRIA. They suppressed
it (dumb idea, by the way) because it was uncomfortably close to a
feud that was going on in the SRIA at the time, about 1947. The SRIA
is hardly the bed of roses that some commentators must wish to pretend.")
I want to thank those who have contributed. Please post any
further information, corrections, testimonies, verifications, or
objections, please!
cat yronwode