The Day of the Doctor

Post by Agamemnon
Brilliant episode.
Great performances from him and Matt Smith, David Tennant and John Hurt.
Also from Jenna Louise Coleman and Billie Piper.
Liked John Hurt's War Doctor making fun of Matt Smith and David Tennant's
Doctors behaving like children. Maybe this is a sign of what to expect from
Peter Capaldi.
From the start I was expecting the Time Lords to walk out of the painting
and Gallifray to materialise from there as well. Looks like now at the end
Gallifray is either Trenzalore or hiding somewhere on it.
Was sort of expecting the previous Doctors to be edited in in some way and
was hoping but not really expecting Peter Capaldi be in there too until I
saw him. First time a later Doctor has been seen before he's been
regenerated into.
Expected that the War Doctor would regenerate at the end since there
wouldn't be much point to him without the Time War.
After the way the story went I'm thinking that maybe Stephen Moffat
originally wrote the part for the 9th Doctor but Christopher Eccleston
declined to take part so John Hurt was recruited instead.
Heard rumours that Tom Baker would be in it but it was seeming less and less
likely towards the end, and when all the previous Doctors appeared I thought
that was it. Then there was the mention of the Caretaker and I figured out
it would be him.
Brilliant to see Tom Baker again. The best moment of the entire story and it
was a brilliant performance between him and Matt Smith.
I'm guessing that the 4th Doctor's took some time off, let himself age a
little and then reversed the ageing effects after he met the 11th. Might
have been when he went off in the TARDIS immediately after his regeneration
from the 3rd and so may still have been regenerating.
Watched the Afterparty. Looked like One Direction got caught in a time loop.
It was so funny. And Tom Baker trying to avoid answering the questions about
his cameo since the interview with him had been pre-recorded before the
screening.
So next its the hunt for Gallifrey and a way for the Doctor to continue
regenerating since Peter Capaldi with be the 12th regeneration.
Also enjoying watching The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot over and over again on
the red button loop. Going to have to check out the Zygons covered in sheets
to see which one's were Peter Davison, Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy.
Obviously Paul McGann was signed up to film The Night of the Doctor and Tom
Baker was already in the anniversary special so they couldn't join them.
And where ever happened to the UNIT analysis of the stone dust? Was
expecting pulverised Weeping Angels.
All in all a great spectacular episode to celebrate Doctor Who's 50th
anniversary.
10/10

We shall see. Gallifrey falls no more.

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Your Name

2013-11-24 01:25:32 UTC

In article <dJ-***@eclipse.net.uk>, Agamemnon
<***@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
<snip>

Post by Agamemnon
Heard rumours that Tom Baker would be in it but it was seeming less and less
likely towards the end, and when all the previous Doctors appeared I thought
that was it. Then there was the mention of the Caretaker and I figured out
it would be him.
Brilliant to see Tom Baker again. The best moment of the entire story and it
was a brilliant performance between him and Matt Smith.
I'm guessing that the 4th Doctor's took some time off, let himself age a
little and then reversed the ageing effects after he met the 11th. Might
have been when he went off in the TARDIS immediately after his regeneration
from the 3rd and so may still have been regenerating.

It wasn't made clear (probably puposely) whether or not Baker's
caretaker character was actually the Doctor (past or future version),
or whether it was just a cameo appearance by the actor.

Post by Agamemnon
So next its the hunt for Gallifrey and a way for the Doctor to continue
regenerating since Peter Capaldi with be the 12th regeneration.

Since we don't know who John Hurt regenerated into, there is a
potential space for yet another inserted Doctor, but currently Peter
Capaldi is now the 13th Doctor, and supposedly the last (depending on
which regeneration rule you believe and what the writers do when he
decides to leave).

Post by Agamemnon
And where ever happened to the UNIT analysis of the stone dust? Was
expecting pulverised Weeping Angels.

It was analyased. The two scientists discovered it was marble, etc. and
then the scarf scientist realised that it was the remains of the
destroyed statues so the Vogons, ... sorry, Zygons ;-) could hide in
their place.

The Doctor

2013-11-24 01:34:24 UTC

Post by Your Name
<snip>

It wasn't made clear (probably puposely) whether or not Baker's
caretaker character was actually the Doctor (past or future version),
or whether it was just a cameo appearance by the actor.

Post by Agamemnon
So next its the hunt for Gallifrey and a way for the Doctor to continue
regenerating since Peter Capaldi with be the 12th regeneration.

Post by Agamemnon
And where ever happened to the UNIT analysis of the stone dust? Was
expecting pulverised Weeping Angels.

Good olde Moffat!

Agamemnon

2013-11-24 01:36:26 UTC

Post by Your Name
<snip>

It wasn't made clear (probably puposely) whether or not Baker's
caretaker character was actually the Doctor (past or future version),
or whether it was just a cameo appearance by the actor.

Might also be the 4th Doctor's inter-regenerative state before The Watcher.

Post by Agamemnon
So next its the hunt for Gallifrey and a way for the Doctor to continue
regenerating since Peter Capaldi with be the 12th regeneration.

It's was said there were 13 Doctors when Peter Capaldi joined the others so
unless there are other non-Doctors he's the 12th regeneration, which means
there's also the problem of the Valeyard that needs to be solved.

Post by Agamemnon
And where ever happened to the UNIT analysis of the stone dust? Was
expecting pulverised Weeping Angels.

The Doctor

2013-11-24 01:46:08 UTC

Post by Your Name
<snip>

It wasn't made clear (probably puposely) whether or not Baker's
caretaker character was actually the Doctor (past or future version),
or whether it was just a cameo appearance by the actor.

Might also be the 4th Doctor's inter-regenerative state before The Watcher.

Post by Agamemnon
So next its the hunt for Gallifrey and a way for the Doctor to continue
regenerating since Peter Capaldi with be the 12th regeneration.

Post by Agamemnon
And where ever happened to the UNIT analysis of the stone dust? Was
expecting pulverised Weeping Angels.

The 11th Doctor is new thanks to River Song.

Your Name

2013-11-24 02:06:37 UTC

Post by Your Name
<snip>

Post by Agamemnon
So next its the hunt for Gallifrey and a way for the Doctor to continue
regenerating since Peter Capaldi with be the 12th regeneration.

One Council person said "All 12 of them" which another person ammended
that to "All 13" ... but Matt Smith was supposedly the 11th Doctor and
we now know that he is really the 12th, so there's always the potential
to add in more and renumber them again. It's just up to the writers as
to how that could work. :-)

The Doctor

2013-11-24 13:54:49 UTC

Post by Your Name
<snip>

Post by Agamemnon
So next its the hunt for Gallifrey and a way for the Doctor to continue
regenerating since Peter Capaldi with be the 12th regeneration.

2 aspects of the 8th Doctor.

Mike Hall

2013-11-24 01:57:55 UTC

Post by Your Name
Since we don't know who John Hurt regenerated into, there is a
potential space for yet another inserted Doctor, but currently Peter
Capaldi is now the 13th Doctor, and supposedly the last (depending on
which regeneration rule you believe and what the writers do when he
decides to leave).

He regenerated into Eccleston. The Time Lords stated that they were
showing all of his regenerations. Hurt's War Doctor wasn't considered a
proper "Doctor" because he was fighting brutally, doing a lot of killing
(taking out multiple Daleks with the Tardis for example) and finally
committed genocide. By saving Gallifrey (and the 2.47 billion brats),
he was redeemed and became the 9th Doctor, relegating Eccleston to the
10th and making Capaldi the final normal regeneration as the 13th Doctor.

The Daleks killed themselves technically, thus removing the genocide
guilt and the angst of being the last Time Lord.

After re-watching Doctor Who and the Curse of Fatal Death, I have a bad
feeling of what might come after Capaldi... Catherine Tate may have
decided to give up comedy by then...

Mike Hall

The Doctor

2013-11-24 13:54:27 UTC

Post by Mike Hall

He regenerated into Eccleston. The Time Lords stated that they were
showing all of his regenerations. Hurt's War Doctor wasn't considered a
proper "Doctor" because he was fighting brutally, doing a lot of killing
(taking out multiple Daleks with the Tardis for example) and finally
committed genocide. By saving Gallifrey (and the 2.47 billion brats),
he was redeemed and became the 9th Doctor, relegating Eccleston to the
10th and making Capaldi the final normal regeneration as the 13th Doctor.
The Daleks killed themselves technically, thus removing the genocide
guilt and the angst of being the last Time Lord.
After re-watching Doctor Who and the Curse of Fatal Death, I have a bad
feeling of what might come after Capaldi... Catherine Tate may have
decided to give up comedy by then...
http://youtu.be/ONVjFZdeH00
Mike Hall

Watch night of the Doctor. MacGann/hurt are the 8th Doctor.

Timothy Bruening

2018-11-05 10:16:00 UTC

Why did it take so long for someone to realize that the statues had been replaced by aliens? Why didn't anyone simply lift off the covers when it was discovered that the figures in the paintings had disappeared?

The Doctor

2018-11-05 15:39:09 UTC

Post by Timothy Bruening
Why did it take so long for someone to realize that the statues had been
replaced by aliens? Why didn't anyone simply lift off the covers when
it was discovered that the figures in the paintings had disappeared?

Humanity vs Galifrey.

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Timothy Bruening

2018-12-03 10:37:35 UTC

Humanity vs Galifrey.

How is that an answer?

The Doctor

2018-12-03 13:40:32 UTC

Humanity vs Galifrey.

How is that an answer?

Both use different detection methods.

Timothy Bruening

2018-11-05 10:37:20 UTC

The Daleks are converging on the Capital, placing them on ONE side of Gallifrey! Thus, when the Doctor pulls Gallifrey out of the way of the Dalek firepower with his dimensional pocket trick, the Daleks on the Capital side of Gallifrey should face relatively little fire from the other side, so should survive!

The Doctor

2018-11-05 15:40:48 UTC

Post by Timothy Bruening
The Daleks are converging on the Capital, placing them on ONE side of
Gallifrey! Thus, when the Doctor pulls Gallifrey out of the way of the
Dalek firepower with his dimensional pocket trick, the Daleks on the
Capital side of Gallifrey should face relatively little fire from the
other side, so should survive!

Or get taken prisoner.

Timothy Bruening

2018-12-03 10:34:48 UTC

The 3 Doctors are imprisoned in a cell in the Tower of London, guarded by a wooden door. It will take the sonic screwdriver 400 years to calculate how to disintegrate it. Why not just disintegrate the STONE WALLS AROUND THE DOOR?

The Doctor

2018-12-03 13:39:55 UTC

Post by Timothy Bruening
The 3 Doctors are imprisoned in a cell in the Tower of London, guarded
by a wooden door. It will take the sonic screwdriver 400 years to
calculate how to disintegrate it. Why not just disintegrate the STONE
WALLS AROUND THE DOOR?

And bury yourself in stone?

Timothy Bruening

2018-12-10 20:47:45 UTC

And bury yourself in stone?

Just disintegrate a hole just big enough to go through.

The Doctor

2018-12-11 00:06:55 UTC

And bury yourself in stone?

Just disintegrate a hole just big enough to go through.

Care to bring down the roof on you?

Timothy Bruening

2018-12-15 02:17:20 UTC

And bury yourself in stone?

Just disintegrate a hole just big enough to go through.

Care to bring down the roof on you?

Keeping hole small should prevent that.

The Doctor

2018-12-15 02:38:30 UTC

And bury yourself in stone?

Just disintegrate a hole just big enough to go through.

Care to bring down the roof on you?

Keeping hole small should prevent that.

Doubt that.

Timothy Bruening

2019-01-01 02:54:14 UTC

When the sand & broken glass was discovered in the Black Archives, why didn't anyone check under the statue covers (when checking to see if anything was missing)?

The Doctor

2019-01-01 05:54:23 UTC

Post by Timothy Bruening
When the sand & broken glass was discovered in the Black Archives, why
didn't anyone check under the statue covers (when checking to see if
anything was missing)?

In the middle of a war?

Timothy Bruening

2019-01-01 06:07:43 UTC

Post by Timothy Bruening
When the sand & broken glass was discovered in the Black Archives, why
didn't anyone check under the statue covers (when checking to see if
anything was missing)?

In the middle of a war?

There wasn't a war in the Tower of London when the mess was discovered.

The Doctor

2019-01-01 13:15:59 UTC

Post by Timothy Bruening
When the sand & broken glass was discovered in the Black Archives, why
didn't anyone check under the statue covers (when checking to see if
anything was missing)?

In the middle of a war?

There wasn't a war in the Tower of London when the mess was discovered.

What about Gallifrey in its finest moment?

Timothy Bruening

2019-01-11 03:44:12 UTC

Post by Timothy Bruening
When the sand & broken glass was discovered in the Black Archives, why
didn't anyone check under the statue covers (when checking to see if
anything was missing)?

In the middle of a war?

There wasn't a war in the Tower of London when the mess was discovered.

What about Gallifrey in its finest moment?

How is that relevant to my question of why no one at the Black Archives looked under the statue covers while investigating the mess at the BA & the missing people images in the paintings?

The Doctor

2019-01-11 03:46:47 UTC

Post by Timothy Bruening
When the sand & broken glass was discovered in the Black Archives, why
didn't anyone check under the statue covers (when checking to see if
anything was missing)?

In the middle of a war?

There wasn't a war in the Tower of London when the mess was discovered.

What about Gallifrey in its finest moment?

How is that relevant to my question of why no one at the Black Archives
looked under the statue covers while investigating the mess at the BA &
the missing people images in the paintings?

Time War was interfering.

Timothy Bruening

2019-01-11 06:45:20 UTC

Post by Timothy Bruening
When the sand & broken glass was discovered in the Black Archives, why
didn't anyone check under the statue covers (when checking to see if
anything was missing)?

In the middle of a war?

There wasn't a war in the Tower of London when the mess was discovered.

What about Gallifrey in its finest moment?

How is that relevant to my question of why no one at the Black Archives
looked under the statue covers while investigating the mess at the BA &
the missing people images in the paintings?

Time War was interfering.

How was it preventing people from lifting the covers off of the Zygons who were posing as statues?

The Doctor

2019-01-11 16:15:02 UTC

Post by Timothy Bruening
When the sand & broken glass was discovered in the Black Archives, why
didn't anyone check under the statue covers (when checking to see if
anything was missing)?

In the middle of a war?

There wasn't a war in the Tower of London when the mess was discovered.

What about Gallifrey in its finest moment?

How is that relevant to my question of why no one at the Black Archives
looked under the statue covers while investigating the mess at the BA &
the missing people images in the paintings?

Time War was interfering.

How was it preventing people from lifting the covers off of the Zygons
who were posing as statues?

Despite separate event, UNIT was distracted!

Timothy Bruening

2019-02-25 05:13:20 UTC

Post by Timothy Bruening
When the sand & broken glass was discovered in the Black Archives, why
didn't anyone check under the statue covers (when checking to see if
anything was missing)?

In the middle of a war?

There wasn't a war in the Tower of London when the mess was discovered.

What about Gallifrey in its finest moment?

How is that relevant to my question of why no one at the Black Archives
looked under the statue covers while investigating the mess at the BA &
the missing people images in the paintings?

Time War was interfering.

How was it preventing people from lifting the covers off of the Zygons
who were posing as statues?

Despite separate event, UNIT was distracted!

?????

Timothy Bruening

2019-04-20 01:58:55 UTC

S07E15. S7E15.

Post by Timothy Bruening
When the sand & broken glass was discovered in the Black Archives, why
didn't anyone check under the statue covers (when checking to see if
anything was missing)?

In the middle of a war?

There wasn't a war in the Tower of London when the mess was discovered.

What about Gallifrey in its finest moment?

How is that relevant to my question of why no one at the Black Archives
looked under the statue covers while investigating the mess at the BA &
the missing people images in the paintings?

Time War was interfering.

How was it preventing people from lifting the covers off of the Zygons
who were posing as statues?

Despite separate event, UNIT was distracted!

I saw nothing that would have distracted UNIT enough to prevent it from the utterly simple action of removing covers from statues!

The Doctor

2019-04-20 03:28:26 UTC

Post by Timothy Bruening
S07E15. S7E15.

Post by Timothy Bruening
When the sand & broken glass was discovered in the Black

Archives, why

Post by Timothy Bruening
didn't anyone check under the statue covers (when checking to see if
anything was missing)?

In the middle of a war?

There wasn't a war in the Tower of London when the mess was discovered.

What about Gallifrey in its finest moment?

How is that relevant to my question of why no one at the Black Archives
looked under the statue covers while investigating the mess at the BA &
the missing people images in the paintings?

Time War was interfering.

How was it preventing people from lifting the covers off of the Zygons
who were posing as statues?

Despite separate event, UNIT was distracted!

I saw nothing that would have distracted UNIT enough to prevent it from
the utterly simple action of removing covers from statues!

Looks at the whole episode!

Timothy Bruening

2019-04-20 05:04:33 UTC

Post by Timothy Bruening
S07E15. S7E15.

Post by Timothy Bruening
When the sand & broken glass was discovered in the Black

Archives, why

Post by Timothy Bruening
didn't anyone check under the statue covers (when checking to see if
anything was missing)?

In the middle of a war?

There wasn't a war in the Tower of London when the mess was discovered.

What about Gallifrey in its finest moment?

How is that relevant to my question of why no one at the Black Archives
looked under the statue covers while investigating the mess at the BA &
the missing people images in the paintings?

Time War was interfering.

How was it preventing people from lifting the covers off of the Zygons
who were posing as statues?

Despite separate event, UNIT was distracted!

I saw nothing that would have distracted UNIT enough to prevent it from
the utterly simple action of removing covers from statues!

Looks at the whole episode!

During the PART of the episode in which Kate & her people were investigating the de-peopled paintings & the mysterious sand, I didn't see anything that would have distracted Kate et al from uncovering the Zygon statues!

The Doctor

2019-04-20 13:39:55 UTC

Post by Timothy Bruening
S07E15. S7E15.

Post by Your Name
In article

Post by Timothy Bruening
When the sand & broken glass was discovered in the Black

Archives, why

Post by Timothy Bruening
didn't anyone check under the statue covers (when

checking to see if

Post by Timothy Bruening
anything was missing)?

In the middle of a war?

There wasn't a war in the Tower of London when the mess was

discovered.

Post by The Doctor
What about Gallifrey in its finest moment?

How is that relevant to my question of why no one at the Black Archives
looked under the statue covers while investigating the mess at the BA &
the missing people images in the paintings?

Time War was interfering.

How was it preventing people from lifting the covers off of the Zygons
who were posing as statues?

Despite separate event, UNIT was distracted!

I saw nothing that would have distracted UNIT enough to prevent it from
the utterly simple action of removing covers from statues!

Looks at the whole episode!

During the PART of the episode in which Kate & her people were
investigating the de-peopled paintings & the mysterious sand, I didn't
see anything that would have distracted Kate et al from uncovering the
Zygon statues!

Given the Zygon-Human crisis?

Timothy Bruening

2019-04-20 18:03:16 UTC

Post by Timothy Bruening
S07E15. S7E15.

Post by Your Name
In article

Post by Timothy Bruening
When the sand & broken glass was discovered in the Black

Archives, why

Post by Timothy Bruening
didn't anyone check under the statue covers (when

checking to see if

Post by Timothy Bruening
anything was missing)?

In the middle of a war?

There wasn't a war in the Tower of London when the mess was

discovered.

Post by The Doctor
What about Gallifrey in its finest moment?

How is that relevant to my question of why no one at the Black Archives
looked under the statue covers while investigating the mess at the BA &
the missing people images in the paintings?

Time War was interfering.

How was it preventing people from lifting the covers off of the Zygons
who were posing as statues?

Despite separate event, UNIT was distracted!

I saw nothing that would have distracted UNIT enough to prevent it from
the utterly simple action of removing covers from statues!

Looks at the whole episode!

During the PART of the episode in which Kate & her people were
investigating the de-peopled paintings & the mysterious sand, I didn't
see anything that would have distracted Kate et al from uncovering the
Zygon statues!

Given the Zygon-Human crisis?

Said crisis not yet at boiling point, since the Zygons hadn't yet thrown off their statute disguises. The UNIT folks would therefore not have been distracted from uncovering the statutes.

The Doctor

2019-04-20 22:03:44 UTC

Post by Timothy Bruening
S07E15. S7E15.

Post by Your Name
In article

On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 9:54:24 PM UTC-8, The

Post by Your Name
In article

Post by Timothy Bruening
When the sand & broken glass was discovered in the Black

Archives, why

Post by Timothy Bruening
didn't anyone check under the statue covers (when

checking to see if

Post by Timothy Bruening
anything was missing)?

In the middle of a war?

There wasn't a war in the Tower of London when the mess was

discovered.

Post by Your Name
What about Gallifrey in its finest moment?

How is that relevant to my question of why no one at the

Black Archives

Post by Timothy Bruening
looked under the statue covers while investigating the mess

at the BA &

Post by Timothy Bruening
the missing people images in the paintings?

Time War was interfering.

How was it preventing people from lifting the covers off of the Zygons
who were posing as statues?

Despite separate event, UNIT was distracted!

I saw nothing that would have distracted UNIT enough to prevent it from
the utterly simple action of removing covers from statues!

Looks at the whole episode!

During the PART of the episode in which Kate & her people were
investigating the de-peopled paintings & the mysterious sand, I didn't
see anything that would have distracted Kate et al from uncovering the
Zygon statues!

Given the Zygon-Human crisis?

Said crisis not yet at boiling point, since the Zygons hadn't yet thrown
off their statute disguises. The UNIT folks would therefore not have
been distracted from uncovering the statutes.

And both were fighting on the destruction of Earth.

Timothy Bruening

2019-06-29 00:02:04 UTC

Post by Timothy Bruening
S07E15. S7E15.

Post by Your Name
In article

On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 9:54:24 PM UTC-8, The

Post by Your Name
In article

Post by Timothy Bruening
When the sand & broken glass was discovered in the Black

Archives, why

Post by Timothy Bruening
didn't anyone check under the statue covers (when

checking to see if

Post by Timothy Bruening
anything was missing)?

In the middle of a war?

There wasn't a war in the Tower of London when the mess was

discovered.

Post by Your Name
What about Gallifrey in its finest moment?

How is that relevant to my question of why no one at the

Black Archives

Post by Timothy Bruening
looked under the statue covers while investigating the mess

at the BA &

Post by Timothy Bruening
the missing people images in the paintings?

Time War was interfering.

How was it preventing people from lifting the covers off of the Zygons
who were posing as statues?

Despite separate event, UNIT was distracted!

I saw nothing that would have distracted UNIT enough to prevent it from
the utterly simple action of removing covers from statues!

Looks at the whole episode!

During the PART of the episode in which Kate & her people were
investigating the de-peopled paintings & the mysterious sand, I didn't
see anything that would have distracted Kate et al from uncovering the
Zygon statues!

Given the Zygon-Human crisis?

Said crisis not yet at boiling point, since the Zygons hadn't yet thrown
off their statute disguises. The UNIT folks would therefore not have
been distracted from uncovering the statutes.

And both were fighting on the destruction of Earth.

How is above sentence a reason for not uncovering statues?

The Doctor

2019-06-29 02:09:40 UTC

Post by Timothy Bruening
S07E15. S7E15.

Post by Your Name
In article

On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 5:16:00 AM UTC-8, The

Post by Your Name
In article

On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 9:54:24 PM UTC-8, The

Post by Your Name
In article

Post by Timothy Bruening
When the sand & broken glass was discovered in the Black

Archives, why

Post by Timothy Bruening
didn't anyone check under the statue covers (when

checking to see if

Post by Timothy Bruening
anything was missing)?

In the middle of a war?

There wasn't a war in the Tower of London when the mess was

discovered.

Post by Your Name
What about Gallifrey in its finest moment?

How is that relevant to my question of why no one at the

Black Archives

looked under the statue covers while investigating the mess

at the BA &

the missing people images in the paintings?

Time War was interfering.

How was it preventing people from lifting the covers off of

the Zygons

Post by Timothy Bruening
who were posing as statues?

Despite separate event, UNIT was distracted!

I saw nothing that would have distracted UNIT enough to prevent it from
the utterly simple action of removing covers from statues!

Looks at the whole episode!

During the PART of the episode in which Kate & her people were
investigating the de-peopled paintings & the mysterious sand, I didn't
see anything that would have distracted Kate et al from uncovering the
Zygon statues!

Given the Zygon-Human crisis?

Said crisis not yet at boiling point, since the Zygons hadn't yet thrown
off their statute disguises. The UNIT folks would therefore not have
been distracted from uncovering the statutes.

And both were fighting on the destruction of Earth.

How is above sentence a reason for not uncovering statues?

They are concentrating on each other.

Timothy Bruening

2019-09-26 02:57:50 UTC

Or get taken prisoner.

And stuffed in the Genesis Ark?

The Doctor

2019-09-26 11:49:35 UTC

Or get taken prisoner.

And stuffed in the Genesis Ark?

Might work.

Timothy Bruening

2020-02-07 08:06:30 UTC

Or get taken prisoner.

And stuffed in the Genesis Ark?

Might work.

But with Gallifrey sent to the pocket universe, WHO would have done the stuffing of Daleks into the Genesis Ark?

The Doctor

2020-02-07 15:46:57 UTC

Or get taken prisoner.

And stuffed in the Genesis Ark?

Might work.

But with Gallifrey sent to the pocket universe, WHO would have done the
stuffing of Daleks into the Genesis Ark?

A Gallifreyan faction pre-DayofTheDoctor!

Timothy Bruening

2020-02-07 08:12:46 UTC

Spoilers for Fugitive Of The Judoon Below!

Post by Your Name
<snip>

It wasn't made clear (probably puposely) whether or not Baker's
caretaker character was actually the Doctor (past or future version),
or whether it was just a cameo appearance by the actor.

Post by Agamemnon
So next its the hunt for Gallifrey and a way for the Doctor to continue
regenerating since Peter Capaldi with be the 12th regeneration.

Space for another inserted Doctor, such as Doctor Ruth in "Fugitive Of The Judoon" on Jan 26, 2020?

Post by Agamemnon
And where ever happened to the UNIT analysis of the stone dust? Was
expecting pulverised Weeping Angels.

Why didn't anyone take the covers off the statues when the stone dust had been analyzed?

chrishoelscher

2013-11-24 02:22:47 UTC

i kinga thought that the dialog "i used to be you - or you used to be me" that a future generation of the Doctor (12 generations be damned) oerhaps re-generated into the form and personality of his 4th incarnation (perhaps with the help of the sisterhood to force a targeted regenerations)

also - i WISHWISHWISH CE had come back to film the other end of the post time-war regeneration scene - (or run his own regteneration scene in reverse) - would have REALLY cleaned everything up nicely (other than the outfit)

also i had thought (as watching) thet The Moment had provided a way out of 12 regenations) - the threat to the War Doctor was - your consequence will be to LIVE - I immediately took that to mean LIVE many many more incarnations - but since he ended up not using The Moment to destroy - that consequence didn't happen

also - was history REALLY re-written? as far as any of the Doctor Incarnations knew (do to a memory wipe due to time-stream out of sync) - Gallefrey and most of the Daleks WERE destroyed) - but as we now Know - it really wasn't

I wonder if the Sisterhood potion was set to force the post-time war regeneration ? or was is it just the overwhelming weariness (and his now willingness to "let his guard down" and BE overwhelmed by the weariness cause the regerneration?? he DID say ... makes sense ... when the regeneration began .....

Chris Hoelscher

Your Name

2013-11-24 02:34:06 UTC

Post by chrishoelscher
i kinga thought that the dialog "i used to be you - or you used to be me"
that a future generation of the Doctor (12 generations be damned) oerhaps
re-generated into the form and personality of his 4th incarnation (perhaps
with the help of the sisterhood to force a targeted regenerations)
also - i WISHWISHWISH CE had come back to film the other end of the post
time-war regeneration scene - (or run his own regteneration scene in reverse)
- would have REALLY cleaned everything up nicely (other than the outfit)
also i had thought (as watching) thet The Moment had provided a way out of 12
regenations) - the threat to the War Doctor was - your consequence will be to
LIVE - I immediately took that to mean LIVE many many more incarnations - but
since he ended up not using The Moment to destroy - that consequence didn't
happen
also - was history REALLY re-written? as far as any of the Doctor
Incarnations knew (do to a memory wipe due to time-stream out of sync) -
Gallefrey and most of the Daleks WERE destroyed) - but as we now Know - it
really wasn't

We already knew from a previous episode (no idea which one, I don't
bother keeping track of them that fanatically) that Gallifrey was
hidden in a pocket universe and not really destroyed. So, even though
the Doctor(s) never pushed the red button, the episode in effect did
itself "do a Star Trek" and push a big red reset button - it started
off with Gallifrey destroyed (which we know didn't happen) and ended
with it not being destroyed.

Post by chrishoelscher
I wonder if the Sisterhood potion was set to force the post-time war
regeneration ? or was is it just the overwhelming weariness (and his now
willingness to "let his guard down" and BE overwhelmed by the weariness cause
the regerneration?? he DID say ... makes sense ... when the regeneration
began .....

Possibly just old age and time for the next regeneration to occur
naturally.

Agamemnon

2013-11-24 03:09:03 UTC

Thought a future Tom Baker like Doctor might be possible as well but Peter
Capaldi looks and sounds nothing like Tom Baker and he's the final
regeneration as the current rules have it.

We've seen the 4th Doctor age and become younger again in The Leisure Hive
and also the 10th do the same in The Sound of Drums/The Last of the Time
Lords. Also the Doctor could be a master of disguise like the Master. Might
have even used one of those pocket watch things to turn himself human, let
himself age and then return to his Time Lord form again where the aging
effects were negated. There's also the possibility that he did all this when
he was Lord President of the High Council of Gallifray and had access to the
Matrix and the Coralet of Rassilon in The Invasion of Time using some sort
of projection.

Post by chrishoelscher
also - i WISHWISHWISH CE had come back to film the other end of the post
time-war regeneration scene - (or run his own regteneration scene in
reverse) - would have REALLY cleaned everything up nicely (other than the
outfit)

Don't think that's what his conversation over dinner with Stephen Moffat was
about. He wouldn't have come back for just 2 or 3 seconds. I think he was
offered John Hurt's role first and he decided he doesn't want anything to do
with the series anymore. They still could have done a CGI regeneration into
and Eccleston skinned avatar mesh though, just enough to show it was him.

Post by chrishoelscher
also i had thought (as watching) thet The Moment had provided a way out of
12 regenations) - the threat to the War Doctor was - your consequence will
be to LIVE - I immediately took that to mean LIVE many many more
incarnations - but since he ended up not using The Moment to destroy -
that consequence didn't happen
also - was history REALLY re-written? as far as any of the Doctor
Incarnations knew (do to a memory wipe due to time-stream out of sync) -
Gallefrey and most of the Daleks WERE destroyed) - but as we now Know - it
really wasn't

The Doctor's after the War Doctor all had false memories until 400 years
into Matt Smith's Doctor. The same must apply to the ones before him too
since they all took part in shifting Gallifrey into another universe, which
I think is what happened to it in the Big Finnish, Faction Paradox (or
whatever it was called) adventures.

Post by chrishoelscher
I wonder if the Sisterhood potion was set to force the post-time war
regeneration ? or was is it just the overwhelming weariness (and his now
willingness to "let his guard down" and BE overwhelmed by the weariness
cause the regerneration?? he DID say ... makes sense ... when the
regeneration began .....

The Master was able to choose to regenerate when he decided he should have a
new younger body at the end of Utopia and the first Doctor regenerated when
his body got too old.

Post by chrishoelscher
Chris Hoelscher

Your Name

2013-11-24 03:21:56 UTC

Thought a future Tom Baker like Doctor might be possible as well but Peter
Capaldi looks and sounds nothing like Tom Baker and he's the final
regeneration as the current rules have it.
We've seen the 4th Doctor age and become younger again in The Leisure Hive
and also the 10th do the same in The Sound of Drums/The Last of the Time
Lords. Also the Doctor could be a master of disguise like the Master. Might
have even used one of those pocket watch things to turn himself human, let
himself age and then return to his Time Lord form again where the aging
effects were negated. There's also the possibility that he did all this when
he was Lord President of the High Council of Gallifray and had access to the
Matrix and the Coralet of Rassilon in The Invasion of Time using some sort
of projection.

Tom Baker's character did say something about "revisiting" old versions
and there was the hint that he was possibly a future "retired" version
of the Doctor, so perhaps (ignoring the limit) it's possible to
regenerate into previous versions.

If John Hurt does regenerate into Christopher Eccelston, then that
means Christopher Eccelston, David Tennant, and Matt Smith between them
have to cover 400 years?! Which means about half his lifetime
(depending on which age you want to believe) and that we've missed a
HUGE amount of the adventures those three have had (most of which must
have been when he was "between companions").

p***@conservation.org

2013-11-24 03:42:17 UTC

I was fully expecting Eccleston to make a 'surprise' appearance in the episode. They brought him in for interview on a Radio 2 programme, "Who is the Doctor?", so he seems amendable to discussing the series, at least.

The Moment was a weapon of mass destruction - it's not clear how it would have magical abilities to bestow extra regenerations, it could just choose not to include the Doctor among those it killed.

Post by chrishoelscher
also - was history REALLY re-written? as far as any of the Doctor
Incarnations knew (do to a memory wipe due to time-stream out of sync) -
Gallefrey and most of the Daleks WERE destroyed) - but as we now Know - it
really wasn't

Plus only the Dalek attack force was destroyed, not the Daleks as a whole - and will presumably now be able to remember the Doctor.

Agamemnon

2013-11-24 04:02:19 UTC

I was fully expecting Eccleston to make a 'surprise' appearance in the
episode. They brought him in for interview on a Radio 2 programme, "Who is
the Doctor?", so he seems amendable to discussing the series, at least.

The Moment was a weapon of mass destruction - it's not clear how it would
have magical abilities to bestow extra regenerations, it could just choose
not to include the Doctor among those it killed.

Plus only the Dalek attack force was destroyed, not the Daleks as a
whole - and will presumably now be able to remember the Doctor.

Goddess Rose was probably the one who destroyed all of the Daleks throughout
time.

I can't believe that the Daleks could be so stupid as to wipe their entire
fleet in a crossfire and even if they did, what happened to the Daleks
already on Gallifrey?

Your Name

2013-11-24 04:50:26 UTC

Post by chrishoelscher
also - i WISHWISHWISH CE had come back to film the other end of the
post time-war regeneration scene - (or run his own regteneration
scene in reverse) - would have REALLY cleaned everything up nicely
(other than the outfit)

Don't think that's what his conversation over dinner with Stephen Moffat
was about. He wouldn't have come back for just 2 or 3 seconds. I think
he was offered John Hurt's role first and he decided he doesn't want
anything to do with the series anymore. They still could have done a
CGI regeneration into and Eccleston skinned avatar mesh though, just
enough to show it was him.

I was fully expecting Eccleston to make a 'surprise' appearance in the
episode. They brought him in for interview on a Radio 2 programme, "Who is
the Doctor?", so he seems amendable to discussing the series, at least.

The Moment was a weapon of mass destruction - it's not clear how it would
have magical abilities to bestow extra regenerations, it could just choose
not to include the Doctor among those it killed.

Post by chrishoelscher
also - was history REALLY re-written? as far as any of the Doctor
Incarnations knew (do to a memory wipe due to time-stream out of
sync) - Gallefrey and most of the Daleks WERE destroyed) - but as we
now Know - it really wasn't

Plus only the Dalek attack force was destroyed, not the Daleks as a
whole - and will presumably now be able to remember the Doctor.

Goddess Rose was probably the one who destroyed all of the Daleks throughout
time.
I can't believe that the Daleks could be so stupid as to wipe their entire
fleet in a crossfire and even if they did, what happened to the Daleks
already on Gallifrey?

Without the bombardment from space, the Gallifrey ground troops were
easily able to clean up the remaining Daleks ... they just went
upstairs and shot them from the rooftops ... ;-)

OR ...

without the Dalek Control Ships around the planet, the Daleks simply
stopped working (Hint: Star Wars Episode I). ;-)

The Doctor

2013-11-24 14:00:25 UTC

Post by chrishoelscher
also - i WISHWISHWISH CE had come back to film the other end of the
post time-war regeneration scene - (or run his own regteneration
scene in reverse) - would have REALLY cleaned everything up nicely
(other than the outfit)

Don't think that's what his conversation over dinner with Stephen Moffat
was about. He wouldn't have come back for just 2 or 3 seconds. I think
he was offered John Hurt's role first and he decided he doesn't want
anything to do with the series anymore. They still could have done a
CGI regeneration into and Eccleston skinned avatar mesh though, just
enough to show it was him.

I was fully expecting Eccleston to make a 'surprise' appearance in the
episode. They brought him in for interview on a Radio 2 programme, "Who is
the Doctor?", so he seems amendable to discussing the series, at least.

The Moment was a weapon of mass destruction - it's not clear how it would
have magical abilities to bestow extra regenerations, it could just choose
not to include the Doctor among those it killed.

Post by chrishoelscher
also - was history REALLY re-written? as far as any of the Doctor
Incarnations knew (do to a memory wipe due to time-stream out of
sync) - Gallefrey and most of the Daleks WERE destroyed) - but as we
now Know - it really wasn't

Plus only the Dalek attack force was destroyed, not the Daleks as a
whole - and will presumably now be able to remember the Doctor.

Goddess Rose was probably the one who destroyed all of the Daleks throughout
time.
I can't believe that the Daleks could be so stupid as to wipe their entire
fleet in a crossfire and even if they did, what happened to the Daleks
already on Gallifrey?

Without the bombardment from space, the Gallifrey ground troops were
easily able to clean up the remaining Daleks ... they just went
upstairs and shot them from the rooftops ... ;-)
OR ...
without the Dalek Control Ships around the planet, the Daleks simply
stopped working (Hint: Star Wars Episode I). ;-)

Without gallifrey to shot at, The Daleks destroy timeselves
and the Time Lock is gone.

The Doctor

2013-11-24 13:57:49 UTC

Thought a future Tom Baker like Doctor might be possible as well but Peter
Capaldi looks and sounds nothing like Tom Baker and he's the final
regeneration as the current rules have it.
We've seen the 4th Doctor age and become younger again in The Leisure Hive
and also the 10th do the same in The Sound of Drums/The Last of the Time
Lords. Also the Doctor could be a master of disguise like the Master. Might
have even used one of those pocket watch things to turn himself human, let
himself age and then return to his Time Lord form again where the aging
effects were negated. There's also the possibility that he did all this when
he was Lord President of the High Council of Gallifray and had access to the
Matrix and the Coralet of Rassilon in The Invasion of Time using some sort
of projection.

Post by chrishoelscher
I wonder if the Sisterhood potion was set to force the post-time war
regeneration ? or was is it just the overwhelming weariness (and his now
willingness to "let his guard down" and BE overwhelmed by the weariness
cause the regerneration?? he DID say ... makes sense ... when the
regeneration began .....

The Master was able to choose to regenerate when he decided he should have a
new younger body at the end of Utopia and the first Doctor regenerated when
his body got too old.

Post by chrishoelscher
Chris Hoelscher

The MAster could be back in the next episode.

Ross

2013-11-24 15:10:24 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Don't think that's what his conversation over dinner with Stephen Moffat was
about. He wouldn't have come back for just 2 or 3 seconds. I think he was
offered John Hurt's role first and he decided he doesn't want anything to do
with the series anymore. They still could have done a CGI regeneration into
and Eccleston skinned avatar mesh though, just enough to show it was him.

Um. They did. Right before they cut away, it's quite clear that he's turning into a youngish version of Eccleston. They don't go *all* the way to Eccleston, but it's clearly him

The Doctor

2013-11-24 13:56:03 UTC

Post by chrishoelscher
i kinga thought that the dialog "i used to be you - or you used to be me" that a future generation of the Doctor (12 generations be damned) oerhaps re-generated into the form and personality of his 4th incarnation (perhaps with the help of the sisterhood to force a targeted regenerations)
also - i WISHWISHWISH CE had come back to film the other end of the post time-war regeneration scene - (or run his own regteneration scene in reverse) - would have REALLY cleaned everything up nicely (other than the outfit)
also i had thought (as watching) thet The Moment had provided a way out of 12 regenations) - the threat to the War Doctor was - your consequence will be to LIVE - I immediately took that to mean LIVE many many more incarnations - but since he ended up not using The Moment to destroy - that consequence didn't happen
also - was history REALLY re-written? as far as any of the Doctor Incarnations knew (do to a memory wipe due to time-stream out of sync) - Gallefrey and most of the Daleks WERE destroyed) - but as we now Know - it really wasn't
I wonder if the Sisterhood potion was set to force the post-time war regeneration ? or was is it just the overwhelming weariness (and his now willingness to "let his guard down" and BE overwhelmed by the weariness cause the regerneration?? he DID say ... makes sense ... when the regeneration began .....
Chris Hoelscher

Just when the decision was made to dematerialise Gallifrey
came into essence, the Doctors know they are rewriting their
own history.

p***@conservation.org

2013-11-24 03:34:31 UTC

Overall I was a little disappointed. It had a fantastic start, and Hurt making 'old fan' jibes about the newer Doctors was great fun, but Hurt was underused, the Zygons were an odd choice of villain for the story as well as being unfortunately comical in their effects for a fairly serious episode, and while the Zygon invasion from the past idea was quite clever, frankly the main plot was paper-thin, boiling down as it did to being only the 'Ghost of Christmas Future' part of "A Christmas Carol". Instead of the dramatic Time War ending, we have ... Gallifrey vanishes and the Daleks accidentally blow each other all up in crossfire (because, you know, space really isn't that big and all those shots are bound to hit every other ship) in a show of comic incompetence. And hang on, didn't we already do the 'Gallifrey was frozen in time' bit, and the consequences came back to haunt the Doctor in The End of Time?

Elizabeth was execrable, and Billie Piper's performance could have been phoned in. The only thing that made the episode work was the interaction between the three leads. On the plus side, that was extremely good.

The Doctor

2013-11-24 13:58:53 UTC

Overall I was a little disappointed. It had a fantastic start, and Hurt mak=
ing 'old fan' jibes about the newer Doctors was great fun, but Hurt was und=
erused, the Zygons were an odd choice of villain for the story as well as b=
eing unfortunately comical in their effects for a fairly serious episode, a=
nd while the Zygon invasion from the past idea was quite clever, frankly th=
e main plot was paper-thin, boiling down as it did to being only the 'Ghost=
of Christmas Future' part of "A Christmas Carol". Instead of the dramatic =
Time War ending, we have ... Gallifrey vanishes and the Daleks accidentally=
blow each other all up in crossfire (because, you know, space really isn't=
that big and all those shots are bound to hit every other ship) in a show =
of comic incompetence. And hang on, didn't we already do the 'Gallifrey was=
frozen in time' bit, and the consequences came back to haunt the Doctor in=
The End of Time?
Elizabeth was execrable, and Billie Piper's performance could have been pho=
ned in. The only thing that made the episode work was the interaction betwe=
en the three leads. On the plus side, that was extremely good.

Your rating please?

So far we have 9.5/10 and 10/10 . Average 9.75/10

solar penguin

2013-11-24 12:58:21 UTC

The anniversary special was OK, but nothing special. Moffat
really needs to learn that less is more.

Did we really need the shtick of Matt Smith dangling out of
the airlifted TARDIS? When a story has such obvious and
contrived padding right at the start, you know there's
something wrong! (And why did UNIT decide to airlift it
without even knocking on the door to see if he was in!?!)

The stock footage of previous Doctors was also unnecessary.
(I'd prefer to see my childhood memories being kept out of
the rebooted rubbish era, so they're not contaminated by it.)
OTOH the shot of Capaldi joining in was just perfect, and
actually had me punching the air with excitement.

In a similar vein, the scene with Tom Baker was awkward and
embarrassing to watch. Seeing how old he is now, just
destroyed any happy nostalgic thoughts. It's a bit like
the depressing atmosphere of seeing Hartnell struggling to
read the cue cards in "The Three Doctors", only much much
worse because this used to be Tom Baker, the greatest Doctor
ever.

But it wasn't all bad. I loved the interaction between the
3 main Doctors. Hurt dominated every scene he was in,
proving that the Doctor doesn't need to prance around like
a pratt to have screen presence. (And Moffat is getting
surprisingly good at writing this kind of deadpan snarker
Doctor, with McGann in "Night" and now Hurt. Let's hope
Capaldi continues in a similar vein.)

And Billie Piper was good as a very different character
from Rose Tyler. (Although how stupid was Hurt's Doctor
not to immediately work out that the mysterious woman who
mysteriously appeared on the mysterious sentient device,
might have something to do with that device!?!)

Clara was bland as always, but at least she doesn't actively
annoy. And it was great to see Kate Stewart again; any
chance of her becoming a semi-regular character?

All in all, not bed, but just needed a little bit of trimming.

j***@mdfs.net

2013-11-24 13:08:46 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
there's also the problem of the Valeyard that needs to be solved.

The Valeyard no longer exists due to The Doctor winning his trial, the
Valeyard was a projection of potentia which would only have become
actual if the Doctor had lost his trial.

Post by Agamemnon
(Although how stupid was Hurt's Doctor
not to immediately work out that the mysterious woman who
mysteriously appeared on the mysterious sentient device,
might have something to do with that device!?!)

He did work it out very quickly, a later Doctor could well
have thrown her out of the meeting hall several more times
before clicking.

jgh

The Doctor

2013-11-24 14:12:41 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
there's also the problem of the Valeyard that needs to be solved.

The Valeyard no longer exists due to The Doctor winning his trial, the
Valeyard was a projection of potentia which would only have become
actual if the Doctor had lost his trial.

Whatch Trial of timeLord Part 14 last minute.

He did work it out very quickly, a later Doctor could well
have thrown her out of the meeting hall several more times
before clicking.
jgh

Agamemnon

2013-11-24 16:13:51 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
there's also the problem of the Valeyard that needs to be solved.

The Valeyard no longer exists due to The Doctor winning his trial, the
Valeyard was a projection of potentia which would only have become
actual if the Doctor had lost his trial.

The Valeyard was seen escaping from the Matrix at the end of Trial of a Time
Lord.

He did work it out very quickly, a later Doctor could well
have thrown her out of the meeting hall several more times
before clicking.
jgh

The Doctor

2013-11-24 21:36:22 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
there's also the problem of the Valeyard that needs to be solved.

The Valeyard no longer exists due to The Doctor winning his trial, the
Valeyard was a projection of potentia which would only have become
actual if the Doctor had lost his trial.

The Valeyard was seen escaping from the Matrix at the end of Trial of a Time
Lord.

The Valeyard become someone else/

He did work it out very quickly, a later Doctor could well
have thrown her out of the meeting hall several more times
before clicking.
jgh

Siri Cruz

2013-11-26 06:06:48 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
there's also the problem of the Valeyard that needs to be solved.

The Valeyard no longer exists due to The Doctor winning his trial, the
Valeyard was a projection of potentia which would only have become
actual if the Doctor had lost his trial.

The Valeyard was seen escaping from the Matrix at the end of Trial of a Time
Lord.

You might as well as ask where Mel first met the Doctor.

--
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
They hung there dependent from the sky
Like some heavy metal fruit
These bombers, ripened, ready to tilt

The Doctor

2013-11-24 14:11:44 UTC

Post by solar penguin
The anniversary special was OK, but nothing special. Moffat
really needs to learn that less is more.
Did we really need the shtick of Matt Smith dangling out of
the airlifted TARDIS? When a story has such obvious and
contrived padding right at the start, you know there's
something wrong! (And why did UNIT decide to airlift it
without even knocking on the door to see if he was in!?!)
The stock footage of previous Doctors was also unnecessary.
(I'd prefer to see my childhood memories being kept out of
the rebooted rubbish era, so they're not contaminated by it.)
OTOH the shot of Capaldi joining in was just perfect, and
actually had me punching the air with excitement.
In a similar vein, the scene with Tom Baker was awkward and
embarrassing to watch. Seeing how old he is now, just
destroyed any happy nostalgic thoughts. It's a bit like
the depressing atmosphere of seeing Hartnell struggling to
read the cue cards in "The Three Doctors", only much much
worse because this used to be Tom Baker, the greatest Doctor
ever.
But it wasn't all bad. I loved the interaction between the
3 main Doctors. Hurt dominated every scene he was in,
proving that the Doctor doesn't need to prance around like
a pratt to have screen presence. (And Moffat is getting
surprisingly good at writing this kind of deadpan snarker
Doctor, with McGann in "Night" and now Hurt. Let's hope
Capaldi continues in a similar vein.)
And Billie Piper was good as a very different character
from Rose Tyler. (Although how stupid was Hurt's Doctor
not to immediately work out that the mysterious woman who
mysteriously appeared on the mysterious sentient device,
might have something to do with that device!?!)
Clara was bland as always, but at least she doesn't actively
annoy. And it was great to see Kate Stewart again; any
chance of her becoming a semi-regular character?
All in all, not bed, but just needed a little bit of trimming.

So far we have 9.5/10, 10/10 and 10/10 . Your rating?

p***@conservation.org

2013-11-24 14:13:14 UTC

Because it was fun? Storywise, I wouldn't disagree that it needed padding since the plot was as thin as they come, and the Zygon story was so plainly an afterthought that they didn't even bother to finish it. But at least it was padded with style - and plainly the main motivation was to show off the budget used for the anniversary with a helicopter tour of London, rather than to fit the story.

Post by solar penguin
The stock footage of previous Doctors was also unnecessary.

I think it was fairly clumsily-done, especially Eccleston's insert (and it is disappointing that he's the only living Doctor not to have been involved in the anniversary in some way - with Davison, CB and McCoy in The Five(ish) Doctors and McGann in the mini-episode).

Post by solar penguin
embarrassing to watch. Seeing how old he is now, just
destroyed any happy nostalgic thoughts. It's a bit like
the depressing atmosphere of seeing Hartnell struggling to
read the cue cards in "The Three Doctors", only much much
worse because this used to be Tom Baker, the greatest Doctor
ever.

We all know what Tom Baker looks like now. While I think he might have been introduced better as a voice-over (since his voice is unchanged), that wouldn't have felt the same as having him back in a DW episode.

All he really needed to do to write Hurt was read the comments fans of the old series here make about the reboot and insert them into his script, but he did it brilliantly.

On the downside, Hurt just had fewer lines than the other two and Moffatt seemed unable to distinguish between Tennant and Smith - aside from a different catchphrase, the lines he gave to one could easily have been given to the other.

Post by solar penguin
And Billie Piper was good as a very different character
from Rose Tyler.

I found the character lacking in any character, and using Rose was pretty pointless.

And the less said about Elizabeth the better.

Despite all of that, and Moffatt's lack of imagination in his depiction of the Time War (it's a war, so all these mighty, advanced Time Lords are running around with ray guns and shoulder-mounted rocket launchers) the interaction between the Doctors was good enough by itself to make this a fairly good episode.

More importantly it was very suitably-chosen as an anniversary episode: bridging the gap between new and old Who by deliberately making Hurt's character a "classic series"-style Doctor looking sometimes despairingly at the antics of his successors, only to come to accept them into the fold because, fundamentally, they're about the same things. In all the anniversary-related documentaries Moffatt's harped on about how the essence of the series hasn't changed since its inception, and this episode does a good job of demonstrating that.

Agamemnon

2013-11-24 17:23:31 UTC

It's for the benefit of the Americans. They prefer pictures to dialogue.
After all you need is radio to do dialogue.

Post by solar penguin
contrived padding right at the start, you know there's
something wrong! (And why did UNIT decide to airlift it
without even knocking on the door to see if he was in!?!)

And why did they think the Doctor needed his TARDIS transporting to UNIT HQ?

Obviously this was not UNIT's doing but the doing of the Zygon Kate Steward
who wanted a time machine.

Post by solar penguin
The stock footage of previous Doctors was also unnecessary.

And what would you have had them do instead?

Post by solar penguin
(I'd prefer to see my childhood memories being kept out of
the rebooted rubbish era, so they're not contaminated by it.)
OTOH the shot of Capaldi joining in was just perfect, and
actually had me punching the air with excitement.
In a similar vein, the scene with Tom Baker was awkward and
embarrassing to watch. Seeing how old he is now, just

No it wasn't. It was the most emotional moment in the whole episode.

Post by solar penguin
destroyed any happy nostalgic thoughts. It's a bit like
the depressing atmosphere of seeing Hartnell struggling to
read the cue cards in "The Three Doctors", only much much
worse because this used to be Tom Baker, the greatest Doctor
ever.

No it wasn't.

Hopefully Moffat has now got the message and will finally dispense with the
last obvious vestiges of RTDs Doctor Who after un-killing-off the Time Lords
and bringing back Gaillifay. Only thing is I hope we don't spend the whole
of the next series or the ones that follow looking for it.

Post by solar penguin
And Billie Piper was good as a very different character
from Rose Tyler. (Although how stupid was Hurt's Doctor
not to immediately work out that the mysterious woman who
mysteriously appeared on the mysterious sentient device,
might have something to do with that device!?!)

Maybe he thought she was a Time Brat that followed him.

Post by solar penguin
Clara was bland as always, but at least she doesn't actively

No she wasn't.

Post by solar penguin
annoy. And it was great to see Kate Stewart again; any
chance of her becoming a semi-regular character?
All in all, not bed, but just needed a little bit of trimming.

Don't think so. Needed an extra 15 minutes maybe so the Zygon story could
have been be completed properly. They could have also given cameos to Peter
Davison, Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy to complement Tom Baker's Curator,
maybe showing them in succession as the Curator in earlier years to reveal
that it was actually the Moment interface at work or as other instances of
the interface at other points in the episode, but then again they tried
something like that in the Big Finish story Zagreus and it wasn't very
successful because of it.

What I would have really liked and was somewhat expecting after the first
trailer and even earlier since Dimensions in Time was all of the previous
Doctor's to have been given their own computer animated avatars which looked
just like them in their prime and lip synced to their voices provided by the
original actors and acting as instances of the TARDIS user interface in the
same way Rose appeared as the interface in earlier stories or as some sort
of projection from the Matrix or better still a Time Lord Second Life style
IM client with it being explained as the only way that it was possible for
the Doctor to communicate and interact with himself though a tiny window in
the time lock.

The Doctor

2013-11-24 21:44:41 UTC

It's for the benefit of the Americans. They prefer pictures to dialogue.
After all you need is radio to do dialogue.

Post by solar penguin
contrived padding right at the start, you know there's
something wrong! (And why did UNIT decide to airlift it
without even knocking on the door to see if he was in!?!)

And why did they think the Doctor needed his TARDIS transporting to UNIT HQ?
Obviously this was not UNIT's doing but the doing of the Zygon Kate Steward
who wanted a time machine.

Post by solar penguin
The stock footage of previous Doctors was also unnecessary.

And what would you have had them do instead?

No it wasn't. It was the most emotional moment in the whole episode.

One of 3.

No it wasn't.

the Time Wars / Ancestor Cell were bad ideas.

Maybe he thought she was a Time Brat that followed him.

Post by solar penguin
Clara was bland as always, but at least she doesn't actively

No she wasn't.

Post by solar penguin
annoy. And it was great to see Kate Stewart again; any
chance of her becoming a semi-regular character?
All in all, not bed, but just needed a little bit of trimming.

Don't think so. Needed an extra 15 minutes maybe so the Zygon story could
have been be completed properly. They could have also given cameos to Peter
Davison, Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy to complement Tom Baker's Curator,
maybe showing them in succession as the Curator in earlier years to reveal
that it was actually the Moment interface at work or as other instances of
the interface at other points in the episode, but then again they tried
something like that in the Big Finish story Zagreus and it wasn't very
successful because of it.
What I would have really liked and was somewhat expecting after the first
trailer and even earlier since Dimensions in Time was all of the previous
Doctor's to have been given their own computer animated avatars which looked
just like them in their prime and lip synced to their voices provided by the
original actors and acting as instances of the TARDIS user interface in the
same way Rose appeared as the interface in earlier stories or as some sort
of projection from the Matrix or better still a Time Lord Second Life style
IM client with it being explained as the only way that it was possible for
the Doctor to communicate and interact with himself though a tiny window in
the time lock.

The MAtrix should be back and maybe the MAster for Christmas.

Ignis Fatuus

2013-11-24 17:35:02 UTC

On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 04:58:21 -0800 (PST), solar penguin

Precisely my feelings about Timelords and second hearts.

Post by solar penguin
OTOH the shot of Capaldi joining in was just perfect, and
actually had me punching the air with excitement.
In a similar vein, the scene with Tom Baker was awkward and
embarrassing to watch. Seeing how old he is now, just
destroyed any happy nostalgic thoughts. It's a bit like
the depressing atmosphere of seeing Hartnell struggling to
read the cue cards in "The Three Doctors", only much much
worse because this used to be Tom Baker, the greatest Doctor
ever.

To some of us still living there was only ever one Doctor... and at least
he got there first.

Post by solar penguin
But it wasn't all bad. I loved the interaction between the
3 main Doctors. Hurt dominated every scene he was in,
proving that the Doctor doesn't need to prance around like
a pratt to have screen presence. (And Moffat is getting
surprisingly good at writing this kind of deadpan snarker
Doctor, with McGann in "Night" and now Hurt. Let's hope
Capaldi continues in a similar vein.)
And Billie Piper was good as a very different character
from Rose Tyler. (Although how stupid was Hurt's Doctor
not to immediately work out that the mysterious woman who
mysteriously appeared on the mysterious sentient device,
might have something to do with that device!?!)
Clara was bland as always, but at least she doesn't actively
annoy. And it was great to see Kate Stewart again; any
chance of her becoming a semi-regular character?
All in all, not bed, but just needed a little bit of trimming.

The Doctor

2013-11-24 21:46:08 UTC

Post by Ignis Fatuus
On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 04:58:21 -0800 (PST), solar penguin

Precisely my feelings about Timelords and second hearts.

To some of us still living there was only ever one Doctor... and at least
he got there first.

I wonder how Solar PEnguin rates DotD11 out of 10.

Brian

2013-11-26 14:07:23 UTC

Well it was different and added so e comedy to the story

Post by solar penguin
The stock footage of previous Doctors was also unnecessary.
(I'd prefer to see my childhood memories being kept out of
the rebooted rubbish era, so they're not contaminated by it.)
OTOH the shot of Capaldi joining in was just perfect, and
actually had me punching the air with excitement.

I thought they were going to have look alike actors filling in as the early
Doctors.

Post by solar penguin
In a similar vein, the scene with Tom Baker was awkward and
embarrassing to watch. Seeing how old he is now, just
destroyed any happy nostalgic thoughts. It's a bit like
the depressing atmosphere of seeing Hartnell struggling to
read the cue cards in "The Three Doctors", only much much
worse because this used to be Tom Baker, the greatest Doctor
ever.

I was pleased to see Tom Baker again. At lease he is still alive.
I wondered if any of the other Doctors were asked and had refused to be in
the 50th anniversary.

When they had the 5 doctors special Tom Baker refused to act in it.

I did like the simple sets they chose for the scenes and nothing to
clattered.

--
Regards Brian

p***@conservation.org

2013-11-26 16:28:35 UTC

Post by Brian

Well it was different and added so e comedy to the story

I thought they were going to have look alike actors filling in as the early
Doctors.

I was pleased to see Tom Baker again. At lease he is still alive.
I wondered if any of the other Doctors were asked and had refused to be in
the 50th anniversary.

Eccleston was (and they could always have used a stand-in actor for him), but I doubt the others were - the age difference presents a difficulty in reintroducing these Doctors to the story, since we know how old they were when they regenerated.

The others got to do The Fiveish Doctors instead...

The Coca Cola Kid

2013-11-27 00:57:45 UTC

Post by Brian
I was pleased to see Tom Baker again. At lease he is still alive.
I wondered if any of the other Doctors were asked and had refused to be in
the 50th anniversary.

Eccleston was

That was previous footage of him, from earlier episodes.

Ignis Fatuus

2013-11-27 01:05:33 UTC

On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 16:57:45 -0800 (PST), The Coca Cola Kid

Post by The Coca Cola Kid

Post by Brian
I was pleased to see Tom Baker again. At lease he is still alive.
I wondered if any of the other Doctors were asked and had refused to be in
the 50th anniversary.

Eccleston was

That was previous footage of him, from earlier episodes.

Just as a matter of interest, do you ever read the comments that you reply
to? Or do you just hack them about and add an unrelated observation of
your own?

I merely enquire out of academic interest, as you've conspicuously failed
to address the question that asked, and the corresponding reply, in the
remainder that you've left intact.

The Doctor

2013-11-27 13:56:23 UTC

The Coca Cola Kid <***@gmail.com> wrote:
: On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:28:35 AM UTC-6, ***@conservation.org wrote:
: >Brian wrote:

: >>I was pleased to see Tom Baker again. At lease he is still alive.
: >>I wondered if any of the other Doctors were asked and had refused to be in
: >>the 50th anniversary.
: >
: >Eccleston was

: That was previous footage of him, from earlier episodes.

10/10 !!

Stephen Wilson

2013-11-27 17:31:47 UTC

Post by The Coca Cola Kid

Post by Brian
I was pleased to see Tom Baker again. At lease he is still alive.
I wondered if any of the other Doctors were asked and had refused to be in
the 50th anniversary.

Eccleston was

That was previous footage of him, from earlier episodes.

No, the question was if any Doctors had been asked. The response was that
Eccleston was asked, but declined.

Your Name

2013-11-27 20:25:12 UTC

Post by The Coca Cola Kid

Post by Brian
I was pleased to see Tom Baker again. At lease he is still alive.
I wondered if any of the other Doctors were asked and had refused to be in
the 50th anniversary.

Eccleston was

That was previous footage of him, from earlier episodes.

I think you missed the bit "if any of the other Doctors were asked and
had refused to be in the 50th anniversary".

The rumour is that Eccelston was asked, but said no.

Siri Cruz

2013-11-26 06:04:04 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
From the start I was expecting the Time Lords to walk out of the painting
and Gallifray to materialise from there as well. Looks like now at the end
Gallifray is either Trenzalore or hiding somewhere on it.

Obviously Gallifrey is hiding in Lister's clothes hamper.

--
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
They hung there dependent from the sky
Like some heavy metal fruit
These bombers, ripened, ready to tilt

Your Name

2013-11-26 06:14:02 UTC

In article

Post by Siri Cruz

Obviously Gallifrey is hiding in Lister's clothes hamper.

No, it's obvious ... Gallifrey is hidden in the centre of Matt Smith's
bow tie. ;-)

The Doctor

2013-11-26 17:09:20 UTC

Post by Siri Cruz

Obviously Gallifrey is hiding in Lister's clothes hamper.

Good one!

I thought Craig Charles was there.

2015-09-19 10:04:40 UTC

At one point, the War Doctor, Doctor 10, and Doctor 11 are trapped in a cell in the Tower of London. The cell has a wooden door, which will take the sonic screwdriver centuries to figure out how to disintegrate. The War Doctor therefore starts his screwdriver doing the necessary calculations. The calculations continue for 400 years until the sonic screwdriver gets up to Doctor 11's time, at which point they are complete.

Would it have been possible for the sonic screwdrivers to simply BURN the door down?

Stephen Wilson

2015-09-19 11:33:10 UTC

Post by TB
At one point, the War Doctor, Doctor 10, and Doctor 11 are trapped in a
cell in the Tower of
London. The cell has a wooden door, which will take the sonic screwdriver
centuries to figure
out how to disintegrate. The War Doctor therefore starts his screwdriver
doing the necessary
calculations. The calculations continue for 400 years until the sonic
screwdriver gets up to Doctor
11's time, at which point they are complete.
Would it have been possible for the sonic screwdrivers to simply BURN the door down?

Wow. Three Doctors in the room, trapped together, and not one of them worked
out they could have burned the door down!!

I think we can safely say that no - it would not have been possible for the
sonic screwdrivers to burn the door down. They may have had a chance if they
carried laser screwdrivers instead...

2015-09-19 20:55:01 UTC

Wow. Three Doctors in the room, trapped together, and not one of them worked
out they could have burned the door down!!
I think we can safely say that no - it would not have been possible for the
sonic screwdrivers to burn the door down. They may have had a chance if they
carried laser screwdrivers instead...

Well, not one of the 3 Doctors had thought to test the door to see if it was actually locked, so it does seem plausible to me that they might not think of burning down the door.

Could the sonic screwdrivers have disintegrated the walls, or ceiling, or floor?

Stephen Wilson

2015-09-19 23:52:10 UTC

Wow. Three Doctors in the room, trapped together, and not one of them worked
out they could have burned the door down!!
I think we can safely say that no - it would not have been possible for the
sonic screwdrivers to burn the door down. They may have had a chance if they
carried laser screwdrivers instead...

Well, not one of the 3 Doctors had thought to test the door to see if it
was actually locked, so it does seem plausible to me that they might not
think of burning down the door.
Could the sonic screwdrivers have disintegrated the walls, or ceiling, or floor?

Nom they couldn't. The sonic screwdriver is a tool, not a weapon.

Timothy Bruening

2015-09-20 00:01:10 UTC

Wow. Three Doctors in the room, trapped together, and not one of them worked
out they could have burned the door down!!
I think we can safely say that no - it would not have been possible for the
sonic screwdrivers to burn the door down. They may have had a chance if they
carried laser screwdrivers instead...

Well, not one of the 3 Doctors had thought to test the door to see if it
was actually locked, so it does seem plausible to me that they might not
think of burning down the door.
Could the sonic screwdrivers have disintegrated the walls, or ceiling, or floor?

Nom they couldn't. The sonic screwdriver is a tool, not a weapon.

The Doctors thought that the sonic screwdriver could disintegrate the door, once it had calculated how to do so. They said that it could handle a higher quality door more easily. I see no reason why it couldn't handle walls, ceilings, or floors more easily than that wooden door, assuming that the walls, ceilings, and floors are made of stone.

Stephen Wilson

2015-09-20 00:08:20 UTC

Wow. Three Doctors in the room, trapped together, and not one of them worked
out they could have burned the door down!!
I think we can safely say that no - it would not have been possible
for
the
sonic screwdrivers to burn the door down. They may have had a chance
if
they
carried laser screwdrivers instead...

Well, not one of the 3 Doctors had thought to test the door to see if it
was actually locked, so it does seem plausible to me that they might not
think of burning down the door.
Could the sonic screwdrivers have disintegrated the walls, or ceiling,
or
floor?

No they couldn't. The sonic screwdriver is a tool, not a weapon.

The Doctors thought that the sonic screwdriver could disintegrate the door,
once it had
calculated how to do so. They said that it could handle a higher quality
door more easily.
I see no reason why it couldn't handle walls, ceilings, or floors more
easily than that wooden
door, assuming that the walls, ceilings, and floors are made of stone.

Because that is not what the Doctor said at all. He uses the sonic
screwdrive to unlock doors. He doesn't use it to disintegrate anything.

2015-12-26 04:25:31 UTC

Wow. Three Doctors in the room, trapped together, and not one of them worked
out they could have burned the door down!!
I think we can safely say that no - it would not have been possible
for
the
sonic screwdrivers to burn the door down. They may have had a chance
if
they
carried laser screwdrivers instead...

Well, not one of the 3 Doctors had thought to test the door to see if it
was actually locked, so it does seem plausible to me that they might not
think of burning down the door.
Could the sonic screwdrivers have disintegrated the walls, or ceiling,
or
floor?

No they couldn't. The sonic screwdriver is a tool, not a weapon.

The Doctors thought that the sonic screwdriver could disintegrate the door,
once it had
calculated how to do so. They said that it could handle a higher quality
door more easily.
I see no reason why it couldn't handle walls, ceilings, or floors more
easily than that wooden
door, assuming that the walls, ceilings, and floors are made of stone.

Because that is not what the Doctor said at all. He uses the sonic
screwdrive to unlock doors. He doesn't use it to disintegrate anything.

I could have swore that I heard the Doctors talk of calculating how to disintegrate the wooden jail cell door.

The cell does have stone walls. I saw one of the Doctors scratching the vortex manipulator activation code into the wall.

Timothy Bruening

2015-12-26 08:26:14 UTC

Post by TB
At one point, the War Doctor, Doctor 10, and Doctor 11 are trapped in a
cell in the Tower of
London. The cell has a wooden door, which will take the sonic
screwdriver
centuries to figure
out how to disintegrate. The War Doctor therefore starts his screwdriver
doing the necessary
calculations. The calculations continue for 400 years until the sonic
screwdriver gets up to Doctor
11's time, at which point they are complete.
Would it have been possible for the sonic screwdrivers to simply BURN
the
door down?

Wow. Three Doctors in the room, trapped together, and not one of them
worked
out they could have burned the door down!!
I think we can safely say that no - it would not have been possible
for
the
sonic screwdrivers to burn the door down. They may have had a chance
if
they
carried laser screwdrivers instead...

Well, not one of the 3 Doctors had thought to test the door to see if it
was actually locked, so it does seem plausible to me that they might not
think of burning down the door.
Could the sonic screwdrivers have disintegrated the walls, or ceiling,
or
floor?

No they couldn't. The sonic screwdriver is a tool, not a weapon.

The Doctors thought that the sonic screwdriver could disintegrate the door,
once it had
calculated how to do so. They said that it could handle a higher quality
door more easily.
I see no reason why it couldn't handle walls, ceilings, or floors more
easily than that wooden
door, assuming that the walls, ceilings, and floors are made of stone.

Because that is not what the Doctor said at all. He uses the sonic
screwdrive to unlock doors. He doesn't use it to disintegrate anything.

I could have swore that I heard the Doctors talk of calculating how to disintegrate the wooden jail cell door.

I am rewatching the episode, and the War Doctor definitely proposed using his sonic screwdriver to disintegrate the wooden cell door. The War Doctor starts the calculation, and 400 years later, Matt Smith announces "calculation complete".

The cell also has stone walls. Why not use the sonic to disintegrate the stone?

The 3 Doctors get out of the cell (which was unlocked). Queen Elizabeth announces that she killed her double. David Tennant marries her, than Clara and the 3 Doctors need to get to the Black Achieves in the Tower of London. But they are TARDIS proof. Why not materialize outside the Tower, then fly in manually, or walk in manually?

2015-12-26 04:36:34 UTC

Great moments:

1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1

Great moments: The Zygons invading the 21st century via Time Lord stasis cubes.

Zygon Kate and Human Kate deadlocked over whether or not to blow up London.

The three Doctors arriving in the Tower of London via stasis cube.

The Doctors making humans and Zygons negotiate a peace treaty by making them forget which species they are!

Timothy Bruening

2015-12-26 08:35:32 UTC

Great moments:

All 13 Doctors with 13 TARDISes saving Gallifrey by locking it into a pocket Universe. The Daleks get wiped out in their own cross fire.

Pudentame

2015-09-20 02:16:02 UTC

On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 17:01:10 -0700 (PDT), Timothy Bruening

Wow. Three Doctors in the room, trapped together, and not one of them worked
out they could have burned the door down!!
I think we can safely say that no - it would not have been possible for the
sonic screwdrivers to burn the door down. They may have had a chance if they
carried laser screwdrivers instead...

Well, not one of the 3 Doctors had thought to test the door to see if it
was actually locked, so it does seem plausible to me that they might not
think of burning down the door.
Could the sonic screwdrivers have disintegrated the walls, or ceiling, or floor?

Nom they couldn't. The sonic screwdriver is a tool, not a weapon.

The Doctors thought that the sonic screwdriver could disintegrate the door,
once it had calculated how to do so. They said that it could handle a higher
quality door more easily. I see no reason why it couldn't handle walls, ceilings,
or floors more easily than that wooden door, assuming that the walls, ceilings,
and floors are made of stone.

Disintegrating the door isn't likely to bring the whole castle
tumbling down on their heads the way disintegrating the walls,
ceilings & floors could do.

2015-09-19 21:12:36 UTC

Wow. Three Doctors in the room, trapped together, and not one of them worked
out they could have burned the door down!!
I think we can safely say that no - it would not have been possible for the
sonic screwdrivers to burn the door down. They may have had a chance if they
carried laser screwdrivers instead...

In The Forest of the Night: The Doctor talks of creating an increased gravity field to pulls down some trees. Could the Three Doctors have created an increased gravity field and used it to tear down that door, or "Torn Down That Wall"?

¡Gölök Z.L.F Buday AKA The Black Jester #theblackjester

2015-09-25 03:28:03 UTC

On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 03:04:40 -0700 (PDT), in rec.arts.drwho TB <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

¡At one point, the War Doctor, Doctor 10, and Doctor 11 are trapped in a cel=
¡l in the Tower of London. The cell has a wooden door, which will take the =
¡sonic screwdriver centuries to figure out how to disintegrate. The War Doc=
¡tor therefore starts his screwdriver doing the necessary calculations. The=
¡ calculations continue for 400 years until the sonic screwdriver gets up to=
¡ Doctor 11's time, at which point they are complete.
¡
¡Would it have been possible for the sonic screwdrivers to simply BURN the d=
¡oor down?

If the attachment is still with them (Robot).

Pudentame

2015-09-25 19:41:29 UTC

On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 03:28:03 GMT,

Post by Â¡GÃ¶lÃ¶k Z.L.F Buday AKA The Black Jester #theblackjester
¡At one point, the War Doctor, Doctor 10, and Doctor 11 are trapped in a cel=
¡l in the Tower of London. The cell has a wooden door, which will take the =
¡sonic screwdriver centuries to figure out how to disintegrate. The War Doc=
¡tor therefore starts his screwdriver doing the necessary calculations. The=
¡ calculations continue for 400 years until the sonic screwdriver gets up to=
¡ Doctor 11's time, at which point they are complete.
¡
¡Would it have been possible for the sonic screwdrivers to simply BURN the d=
¡oor down?
If the attachment is still with them (Robot).

Since you can start a campfire by "rubbing two sticks together", I'm
pretty sure the sonic screwdriver could be applied to create enough
friction to set a wooden door on fire.

Don't have any guess about how big the fire might be or how long it
would take to burn through the door.

Anyway, the point is moot, since the door wasn't even locked.

2015-09-26 00:17:35 UTC

Post by Pudentame
On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 03:28:03 GMT,

ĄAt one point, the War Doctor, Doctor 10, and Doctor 11 are trapped in a cel=
Ąl in the Tower of London. The cell has a wooden door, which will take the =
Ąsonic screwdriver centuries to figure out how to disintegrate. The War Doc=
Ątor therefore starts his screwdriver doing the necessary calculations. The=
Ą calculations continue for 400 years until the sonic screwdriver gets up to=
Ą Doctor 11's time, at which point they are complete.
Ą
ĄWould it have been possible for the sonic screwdrivers to simply BURN the d=
Ąoor down?
If the attachment is still with them (Robot).

Since you can start a campfire by "rubbing two sticks together", I'm
pretty sure the sonic screwdriver could be applied to create enough
friction to set a wooden door on fire.
Don't have any guess about how big the fire might be or how long it
would take to burn through the door.
Anyway, the point is moot, since the door wasn't even locked.

Were any screws used to attach the door to its hinges? If so, could the sonic SCREWDRIVER have been used to unscrew them?

Or could the hinges have been disintegrated?

Stephen Wilson

2015-09-26 13:41:20 UTC

Post by Pudentame
On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 03:28:03 GMT,

Post by Â¡GÃ¶lÃ¶k Z.L.F Buday AKA The Black Jester #theblackjester
On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 03:04:40 -0700 (PDT), in rec.arts.drwho TB
AAt one point, the War Doctor, Doctor 10, and Doctor 11 are trapped in a
cel=
Al in the Tower of London. The cell has a wooden door, which will take
the =
Asonic screwdriver centuries to figure out how to disintegrate. The War
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Ator therefore starts his screwdriver doing the necessary calculations.
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A calculations continue for 400 years until the sonic screwdriver gets
up to=
A Doctor 11's time, at which point they are complete.
A
AWould it have been possible for the sonic screwdrivers to simply BURN
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Aoor down?
If the attachment is still with them (Robot).

Since you can start a campfire by "rubbing two sticks together", I'm
pretty sure the sonic screwdriver could be applied to create enough
friction to set a wooden door on fire.
Don't have any guess about how big the fire might be or how long it
would take to burn through the door.

.> Anyway, the point is moot, since the door wasn't even locked.

Post by TB
Were any screws used to attach the door to its hinges? If so, could the
sonic SCREWDRIVER have been used to unscrew them?

No. Try thinking about it for just a few seconds. There is a great piece of
wood in the way - known as a door. So you'd also need a hole in the door
directly opposite the screws that is deep enough to hold them. And apart
from anything else, it's unlikely screws were used - they weren't that
common until the 18th century.

Post by TB
Or could the hinges have been disintegrated?

The sonic screwdriver is not a get out of jail card. It's not a magic wand.
No, the sonic screwdriver does not disintegrate wood or metal.

¡Gölök Z.L.F Buday AKA The Black Jester #theblackjester

2015-10-02 03:41:19 UTC

On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 14:41:20 +0100, in rec.arts.drwho "Stephen Wilson" <***@ntlworld.com> wrote:

¡
¡"TB" <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
¡news:7bb32dc2-e846-4549-98f8-***@googlegroups.com...
¡On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 12:41:33 PM UTC-7, Pudentame wrote:
¡>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 03:28:03 GMT,
¡>> ***@slave.stopnwo.gubnah.state.us.wa.gov (AGölök Z.L.F
¡>> Buday AKA The Black Jester #theblackjester) wrote:
¡>>
¡>> >On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 03:04:40 -0700 (PDT), in rec.arts.drwho TB
¡>> ><***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
¡>> >
¡>> >AAt one point, the War Doctor, Doctor 10, and Doctor 11 are trapped in a
¡>> >cel=
¡>> >Al in the Tower of London. The cell has a wooden door, which will take
¡>> >the =
¡>> >Asonic screwdriver centuries to figure out how to disintegrate. The War
¡>> >Doc=
¡>> >Ator therefore starts his screwdriver doing the necessary calculations.
¡>> >The=
¡>> >A calculations continue for 400 years until the sonic screwdriver gets
¡>> >up to=
¡>> >A Doctor 11's time, at which point they are complete.
¡>> >A
¡>> >AWould it have been possible for the sonic screwdrivers to simply BURN
¡>> >the d=
¡>> >Aoor down?
¡>> >
¡>> >If the attachment is still with them (Robot).
¡>> >
¡>> >
¡>>
¡>> Since you can start a campfire by "rubbing two sticks together", I'm
¡>> pretty sure the sonic screwdriver could be applied to create enough
¡>> friction to set a wooden door on fire.
¡>>
¡>> Don't have any guess about how big the fire might be or how long it
¡>> would take to burn through the door.
¡>>
¡.> Anyway, the point is moot, since the door wasn't even locked.
¡>
¡>Were any screws used to attach the door to its hinges? If so, could the
¡>sonic SCREWDRIVER have been used to unscrew them?
¡
¡No. Try thinking about it for just a few seconds. There is a great piece of
¡wood in the way - known as a door. So you'd also need a hole in the door
¡directly opposite the screws that is deep enough to hold them. And apart
¡from anything else, it's unlikely screws were used - they weren't that
¡common until the 18th century.
¡
¡>Or could the hinges have been disintegrated?
¡
¡The sonic screwdriver is not a get out of jail card. It's not a magic wand.
¡No, the sonic screwdriver does not disintegrate wood or metal.
¡

Lately it has been, post millenial. They for got this, I think TD is thinking about
the less known Sonic Alan Key. Only works with Ikea shit.

Pudentame

2015-10-03 23:21:32 UTC

On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 03:41:19 GMT,

Post by Â¡GÃ¶lÃ¶k Z.L.F Buday AKA The Black Jester #theblackjester
¡
¡>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 03:28:03 GMT,
¡>>
¡>> >On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 03:04:40 -0700 (PDT), in rec.arts.drwho TB
¡>> >
¡>> >AAt one point, the War Doctor, Doctor 10, and Doctor 11 are trapped in a
¡>> >cel=
¡>> >Al in the Tower of London. The cell has a wooden door, which will take
¡>> >the =
¡>> >Asonic screwdriver centuries to figure out how to disintegrate. The War
¡>> >Doc=
¡>> >Ator therefore starts his screwdriver doing the necessary calculations.
¡>> >The=
¡>> >A calculations continue for 400 years until the sonic screwdriver gets
¡>> >up to=
¡>> >A Doctor 11's time, at which point they are complete.
¡>> >A
¡>> >AWould it have been possible for the sonic screwdrivers to simply BURN
¡>> >the d=
¡>> >Aoor down?
¡>> >
¡>> >If the attachment is still with them (Robot).
¡>> >
¡>> >
¡>>
¡>> Since you can start a campfire by "rubbing two sticks together", I'm
¡>> pretty sure the sonic screwdriver could be applied to create enough
¡>> friction to set a wooden door on fire.
¡>>
¡>> Don't have any guess about how big the fire might be or how long it
¡>> would take to burn through the door.
¡>>
¡.> Anyway, the point is moot, since the door wasn't even locked.
¡>
¡>Were any screws used to attach the door to its hinges? If so, could the
¡>sonic SCREWDRIVER have been used to unscrew them?
¡
¡No. Try thinking about it for just a few seconds. There is a great piece of
¡wood in the way - known as a door. So you'd also need a hole in the door
¡directly opposite the screws that is deep enough to hold them. And apart
¡from anything else, it's unlikely screws were used - they weren't that
¡common until the 18th century.
¡
¡>Or could the hinges have been disintegrated?
¡
¡The sonic screwdriver is not a get out of jail card. It's not a magic wand.
¡No, the sonic screwdriver does not disintegrate wood or metal.
¡
Lately it has been, post millenial. They for got this, I think TD is thinking about
the less known Sonic Alan Key. Only works with Ikea shit.

Actually, it's a pretty good question. I've seen screws, nuts and
bolts come loose due to vibrations that fell within the audible range.
Every time a car goes by with that heavy thumping bass, you can hear
the fenders rattle because the vibration has loosened the fasteners.

It's why you use Locktite when rebuilding automobile engines.

However, a 16th century dungeon door in the Tower of London would have
more likely have heavy wrought iron strapping on both sides and would
be held together with iron rivets which would also be used to mount
heavy strap hinges.

¡Gölök Z.L.F Buday AKA The Black Jester #theblackjester

2015-10-09 12:04:54 UTC

On Sat, 03 Oct 2015 19:21:32 -0400, in rec.arts.drwho Pudentame <***@no.where.invalid> wrote:

¡On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 03:41:19 GMT,
¡***@slave.stopnwo.gubnah.state.us.wa.gov (¡Gölök Z.L.F
¡Buday AKA The Black Jester #theblackjester) wrote:
¡
¡>On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 14:41:20 +0100, in rec.arts.drwho "Stephen Wilson" <***@ntlworld.com> wrote:
¡>
¡>¡
¡>¡"TB" <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
¡>¡news:7bb32dc2-e846-4549-98f8-***@googlegroups.com...
¡>¡On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 12:41:33 PM UTC-7, Pudentame wrote:
¡>¡>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 03:28:03 GMT,
¡>¡>> ***@slave.stopnwo.gubnah.state.us.wa.gov (AGölök Z.L.F
¡>¡>> Buday AKA The Black Jester #theblackjester) wrote:
¡>¡>>
¡>¡>> >On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 03:04:40 -0700 (PDT), in rec.arts.drwho TB
¡>¡>> ><***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
¡>¡>> >
¡>¡>> >AAt one point, the War Doctor, Doctor 10, and Doctor 11 are trapped in a
¡>¡>> >cel=
¡>¡>> >Al in the Tower of London. The cell has a wooden door, which will take
¡>¡>> >the =
¡>¡>> >Asonic screwdriver centuries to figure out how to disintegrate. The War
¡>¡>> >Doc=
¡>¡>> >Ator therefore starts his screwdriver doing the necessary calculations.
¡>¡>> >The=
¡>¡>> >A calculations continue for 400 years until the sonic screwdriver gets
¡>¡>> >up to=
¡>¡>> >A Doctor 11's time, at which point they are complete.
¡>¡>> >A
¡>¡>> >AWould it have been possible for the sonic screwdrivers to simply BURN
¡>¡>> >the d=
¡>¡>> >Aoor down?
¡>¡>> >
¡>¡>> >If the attachment is still with them (Robot).
¡>¡>> >
¡>¡>> >
¡>¡>>
¡>¡>> Since you can start a campfire by "rubbing two sticks together", I'm
¡>¡>> pretty sure the sonic screwdriver could be applied to create enough
¡>¡>> friction to set a wooden door on fire.
¡>¡>>
¡>¡>> Don't have any guess about how big the fire might be or how long it
¡>¡>> would take to burn through the door.
¡>¡>>
¡>¡.> Anyway, the point is moot, since the door wasn't even locked.
¡>¡>
¡>¡>Were any screws used to attach the door to its hinges? If so, could the
¡>¡>sonic SCREWDRIVER have been used to unscrew them?
¡>¡
¡>¡No. Try thinking about it for just a few seconds. There is a great piece of
¡>¡wood in the way - known as a door. So you'd also need a hole in the door
¡>¡directly opposite the screws that is deep enough to hold them. And apart
¡>¡from anything else, it's unlikely screws were used - they weren't that
¡>¡common until the 18th century.
¡>¡
¡>¡>Or could the hinges have been disintegrated?
¡>¡
¡>¡The sonic screwdriver is not a get out of jail card. It's not a magic wand.
¡>¡No, the sonic screwdriver does not disintegrate wood or metal.
¡>¡
¡>
¡>Lately it has been, post millenial. They for got this, I think TD is thinking about
¡>the less known Sonic Alan Key. Only works with Ikea shit.
¡>
¡
¡Actually, it's a pretty good question. I've seen screws, nuts and
¡bolts come loose due to vibrations that fell within the audible range.
¡Every time a car goes by with that heavy thumping bass, you can hear
¡the fenders rattle because the vibration has loosened the fasteners.
¡
¡It's why you use Locktite when rebuilding automobile engines.
¡
¡However, a 16th century dungeon door in the Tower of London would have
¡more likely have heavy wrought iron strapping on both sides and would
¡be held together with iron rivets which would also be used to mount
¡heavy strap hinges.
¡

Carnival of Monsters (Only works on Electronic), City of Death is an rare situation in the "old lock" also a small weak old door.
Traken is a comparible situation where he utters a joke about technology running it's course, when only ye old key would do.
Most cases in the pre-milenial it is use on electronic. Now it's "Magic!" To Yoshi's Island!

On the off show subject Colombo knocked open a door using a Gun in a sand pit, it too was electronic.

Hammond roars a Challenger sets off Car Alarms on Top Gear.

Bender opens a safe in Futurama, but explains why first. A joke about the fault in the design.

Timothy Bruening

2018-12-10 20:44:53 UTC

Post by Pudentame
On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 03:28:03 GMT,

Since you can start a campfire by "rubbing two sticks together", I'm
pretty sure the sonic screwdriver could be applied to create enough
friction to set a wooden door on fire.
Don't have any guess about how big the fire might be or how long it
would take to burn through the door.

.> Anyway, the point is moot, since the door wasn't even locked.

Post by TB
Were any screws used to attach the door to its hinges? If so, could the
sonic SCREWDRIVER have been used to unscrew them?

Post by TB
Or could the hinges have been disintegrated?

The sonic screwdriver is not a get out of jail card. It's not a magic wand.
No, the sonic screwdriver does not disintegrate wood or metal.

After the War sonic scanned the door, what did it spend 400 years calculating on?

¡Gölök Z.L.F Buday AKA The Black Jester #theblackjester

2015-10-02 03:36:34 UTC