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Instead of fixing... Ubuntu makes matters worse. Shuttleworth admits things are messy and there are even more serious problems.
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Ezekiel
2008-04-27 15:41:02 UTC
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http://www.newmobilecomputing.com/story/19671/Ubuntu_Man_Shuttleworth_Dissects_Hardy_Herons_Arrival

<quote>
El Reg continues, confronting Shuttleworth with Martin Owens, the Ubuntu
Massachusetts LoCo leader. Owens said that PulseAudio, one of the big new
features in Hardy Heron, produces a lot of problems instead of fixing any
of the long-standing audio issues in Linux. Just like ALSA, OSS, and ESD,
PulseAudio is 'just' another audio system, and instead of it being a
replacement for the other three, it is added as the fourth audio subsystem,
making the whole audio landscape even more intricate than it already was.

Shuttleworth agrees the situation is "messy", and joked "I am glad you are
not into video editing because the story there is worse".
</quote>


Yep - Don't fix what's already broken. Just keep inventing new things and
throw them into the mix.



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Ruben
2008-04-27 16:24:46 UTC
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Post by Ezekiel
Yep - Don't fix what's already broken. Just keep inventing new things and
throw them into the mix.
The standards for broken is different for windows that GNU systems.
Better a broken GNU system then a working Vista system. Anyway, Paul,
time to cash the chips in, time is running out your voluntary discloser of
your identity.

Your going to be fingered very soon, and the company that recruited you.

Ruben
--
http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software

So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

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Ezekiel
2008-04-27 16:31:16 UTC
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Post by Ruben
Post by Ezekiel
Yep - Don't fix what's already broken. Just keep inventing new things and
throw them into the mix.
The standards for broken is different for windows that GNU systems.
Better a broken GNU system then a working Vista system.
Yeah, sure. A linux machine with no sound, no video and frequent lock-ups
is real sweet.
Post by Ruben
Anyway, Paul,
time to cash the chips in, time is running out your voluntary discloser of
your identity.
Put down the crack-pipe you fool. You have zero idea what you're talking
about.
Post by Ruben
Your going to be fingered very soon, and the company that recruited you.
I wasn't recruited by anyone you retard.
Post by Ruben
Ruben
--
http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like
Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI
Safir 1998
http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to
our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our
own society."
"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have
been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess
you missed that one."
© Copyright for the Digital Millennium
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Ruben
2008-04-27 16:53:47 UTC
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Post by Ezekiel
Post by Ruben
The standards for broken is different for windows that GNU systems.
Better a broken GNU system then a working Vista system.
Yeah, sure. A linux machine with no sound, no video and frequent lock-ups
is real sweet.
Paul, you post that over and over again as well. But that doesn't
descibe on of the machines my 6 kids and I use. My kids are using
them for everything from juke boxes, TV sets, and recording studios.
I guess my kids aren't as stupid as your broken MS box where the DRM
keys have been revoked.

BTW Paul, that company your working for is also to the MPAA's payroll.

Are you ready to confess your identity yet ;)

Ruben
--
http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software

So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

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Ezekiel
2008-04-27 17:01:57 UTC
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Post by Ruben
Post by Ezekiel
Post by Ruben
The standards for broken is different for windows that GNU systems.
Better a broken GNU system then a working Vista system.
Yeah, sure. A linux machine with no sound, no video and frequent lock-ups
is real sweet.
Paul, you post that over and over again as well. But that doesn't
descibe on of the machines my 6 kids and I use. My kids are using
them for everything from juke boxes, TV sets, and recording studios.
I guess my kids aren't as stupid as your broken MS box where the DRM
keys have been revoked.
Of course. You're a linux "advocate" so of course everything works
perfectly and you get 14 hours of battery life on your laptop too.
Post by Ruben
BTW Paul, that company your working for is also to the MPAA's payroll.
And what company would that be. I'm sure that you're not talking out of
your ass and making stuff up. Because you have proof... right?
Post by Ruben
Are you ready to confess your identity yet ;)
Yeah. My name is Ezekiel Strubhar and I'm amish. Since things like
computers are banned by our culture I have to sneak into the shed in order
to use mine.
Post by Ruben
Ruben
--
http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like
Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI
Safir 1998
http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to
our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our
own society."
"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have
been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess
you missed that one."
© Copyright for the Digital Millennium
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
Ruben
2008-04-27 17:35:16 UTC
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Post by Ezekiel
Post by Ruben
Post by Ezekiel
Post by Ruben
The standards for broken is different for windows that GNU systems.
Better a broken GNU system then a working Vista system.
Yeah, sure. A linux machine with no sound, no video and frequent lock-ups
is real sweet.
Paul, you post that over and over again as well. But that doesn't
descibe on of the machines my 6 kids and I use. My kids are using
them for everything from juke boxes, TV sets, and recording studios.
I guess my kids aren't as stupid as your broken MS box where the DRM
keys have been revoked.
Of course. You're a linux "advocate" so of course everything works
perfectly and you get 14 hours of battery life on your laptop too.
Post by Ruben
BTW Paul, that company your working for is also to the MPAA's payroll.
And what company would that be. I'm sure that you're not talking out of
your ass and making stuff up. Because you have proof... right?
No, I'm not making it up. I was furtunate enough to actually meet you by
happenstans last week and I'll be exposing things soon enough. I'm just
giving you a chance to save face and I'm considering if I want to put
posters up around Gorilla Coffee, where we met exposing you to your
neighbors.

I'm not your average joe. Some would consider me a bit nutty, but my
means at these kinds of games is most often effective.

Meanwhile, Paul, let me wet your appetite for some of the foundation of
MS paid trolling in year past, and give you a chance to expose your real
identity on your own before I blow your meal ticket in this unethical
endevor on your part. Of course, if you want you can sue me for libel.
That would also expose your operation under the legal discovery process
that would follow and your employer would frown on that a great deal.

The bottom line is that until you identify yourself, no amount of
factual conversation has any value.

Here is an apetiser from years past.


September, 1996

SLIME (sly mmm) 1. Spin, Lies, and Insults by Microsoft Employees. The
extension of Microsoft's corporate ethic to online community.

One place that's been SLIME'd is Canopus, the forum on CompuServe that
had become my regular online habitat. At one time it was a bastion of
independent thought, consisting of contrary but industry-wise regulars
who were never afraid to criticize the powerhouses in the industry, be
they IBM or Microsoft or anybody else. Will Zachmann, the WizOp,
sought to keep it from becoming simply another fluff PR site for
anybody, regardless of their affiliation.

He requests only has been that those with an industry affiliation make
it known in their posts. It is a call for polite, ethical behavior, so
that readers of the messages can be aware of the potential for bias
towards one's own. Forum participants are widely known for challenging
the crap that passes for "knowledge" elsewhere.

The participation of Phil Payne, industry analyst with Sievers
Consulting, added not only an international flavor but an
authoritative voice with an amazing archive of Canopian messages. Just
the fact that he had the archives, and would produce messages from
one, two, or three years ago when needed to support a point or defrock
a scam kept the signal-to-noise level much higher than normally found
in cyberspace.

In most online haunts, supporters and users of niche products like
OS/2, Mac, or whatever, are drowned out by jeering proponents of
Windows. Canopus used to be a refuge from that sort of crap. Stress
the was. Canopus today is a far different place than it was when I
first started hanging my hat there in '92.

I think the change began about the time Win95 debuted. For one thing,
honest debate and sincere conversation began to decline with the
arrival of Arnold Krueger. Whatever it is that brought him to Canopus,
or keeps him there, it is definitely not honest discourse. Arnold is a
one-man propaganda machine, boosting Win95 and dis'ing everything
else. He is the kind of guy who belongs in one of the
comp.os.___.advocacy newsgroups. And no where else. Since the first
day he arrived, his message has been simply this: Win95 is it, if you
don't use it you are stupid, if you computer won't run it, it's a
piece of crap.

Pointing out fallacies in his arguments or contradictions in his
statements or outright lies in his messages does no good at all. He
has admitted that he is there only for one reason: to bring grief to
those he calls "Warpies." What's worse is that he has become the most
prolific poster in forum. Even when you recognize him for what he is
(he is also the most twitted participant in forum history), he is
still a huge negative presence that drives people away. Will Zachmann
and I have opined openly that his real mission may be to do exactly
that. Since Krueger's arrival, other changes for the worse have taken
place. When you look at all of them in perspective, Will Zachmann's
public departure from the OS/2 camp and his swim back towards
Microsoft don't seem to come as much of a surprise.

Another big negative for those seeking a refuge from the Windows Uber
Alles mentality is the attitude and behavior of Bruce Biermann, who is
both a Microsoft employee and one of Will's forum sysops. The change
in his online behavior is dramatic. In my column on the forum
(Canopian Embrace, Tech-Connected, April, 1995) I commented about the
wonderful trio of sysops Will had gathered, including MS employee
Bruce Biermann. His behavior recently hasn't earned him any such
accolades.

Several on the forum, myself included, feel that Bruce's change in
online manner centers around a very nasty online run-in with MS
booster Bill Mattox. Mattox, if you will recall, was responsible for a
Canopian term: TDNBW. TDNBW is an abbreviation for "This does not bode
well," which was Mattox's conclusion about every event that transpired
with regard to the future of OS/2. As a result of the Mattox/Biermann
dispute, Mattox tried to have Biermann fired from Microsoft, evidently
because he felt that Biermann was not active enough in promoting
and/or defending the Redmonian way.

That effort failed and Mattox began staying away from Canopus a lot
more than participating. But since then, Biermann has begun acting a
lot more like a biased MS booster than an evenhanded Canopian sysop.
He denies that Mattox incident had any influence on him, but I'm
certainly not the only observer to note the swing in attitude before
and after the Mattox incident. Biermann became arrogant and rude, much
more rude and much more often, than he had ever been before. Not only
did he become an active defender of Microsoft's business practices,
but he began to defend other MS employees who were posting in the
forum. In short, he stepped down from the high ground and began wading
through the mud.

An example: one day an IBM employee came into the forum and asked why
the message threads were handled (mangled?) in such a way as to make
it impossible to follow from beginning to end. Biermann came down so
hard on the IBM'er that he never returned. Biermann, an accountant by
the way, claimed it was ignorant to come into a forum and after only a
day or two to know more than the sysops about how to handle threads.

What he didn't know was that he was talking to a programmer
responsible for handling threads on IBM internal systems, a programmer
whose scope of knowledge about the topic towered above Biermann's like
the Shaq towers over Truman Capote. To flaunt his ignorance even
further, Biermann later speculated that the IBM'er had asked the
question only because of his (Biermann's) MSFT affiliation. A small
event, perhaps, but typical of the change in Biermann. And in the
forum.

Speaking of Biermann's MSFT affiliation, the refusal of a fellow MS
employee to include mention of that affiliation in his posts has
turned into one of the longest running, nastiest battles in forum
history. The battle itself has further reduced the value of the forum.

Richard Shupak works for Microsoft, but he refuses to identify himself
as an MS employee when he posts, this in spite of countless requests
by forum regulars and a number of direct requests from Will Zachmann
himself. He seems to enjoy flaunting his unethical behavior and
abusing the lax forum "rules."

One unfortunate reality of Microsoft's reputation for dishonesty is
that its employees can immediately gain credibility by claiming not to
be MS employees. Steve Barkto and Bill Diamond are two of the best
known examples. Of course, Shupak does admit that he is an MS employee
when he is asked directly, so it's not like he is pretending
otherwise. The point is that if people read his messages without
knowing that fact, they are not going to know it after consuming
whatever bit of spin he is putting on the current topic.

And spin he does. He is easily the most gifted liar the forum has
seen. He is not a buffoon-like bozo like Arnold Krueger who puts out
so much crap that it is laughable. No, Richard Shupak does it with
style. He mixes truth, fact, and bullshit in amounts calculated to
bring the most believability a spin-doctor can hope for. He uses
inuendo like a scalpel. Almost always his goal is to deceive.

Shupak works for Microsoft Research, and according to the information
on their Website works on RAD (rapid application development) tools.
Technically, he is very savvy and he uses double-dweebspeak to
deceive.

One example: the well-known lack of performance of Win95 on Intel's
Pentium Pro processors because of the amount of 16-bit code in Win95.
Shupak attempted (still does, actually) to convince people that 16-bit
code in Win95 is not the reason for its poor performance on the
Pentium Pro. If that were the case, he argues, OS/2 would run even
more slowly because it has even more 16-bit code in it than Win95. You
have to give Shupak credit for brass balls. His brazen lies about this
issue reveal the arrogant swagger that accompany most of his
disinformation. He genuinely seems to revel in his dishonesty the same
way he loves to flaunt the disregard for forum policy. This arrogance
runs rampant at Microsoft: from Gates down to the mailroom, they feel
they are above the law.

And look at how he packaged this crap. He went to the trouble to show
how many bytes of code exist in 16-bit chunks of OS/2 and Win95 in
order to support his argument. Remember now, Shupak works in MS
research, he is not completely stupid. He knows that the statistic he
presented is completely meaningless. The only thing that counts is how
much 16-bit code is running, not many bytes of 16-byte code exist. You
could add ten meg of 16-byte code to either operating system, and it
wouldn't influence performance on a Pentium Pro one iota, unless it
were executing.

Why does Shupak go to such bother over this point? Because the
slowdown (yes, Win95 runs slower on a Pentium Pro than on a Pentium)
is not just a black-eye for WinTel, it draws attention to the fact
that Microsoft was lying about an "all new, all 32-bit" operating
system from day one.

The magnitude of his lie is shown in the relative performance of OS/2
and Win95 on the Pentium Pro: one 32-bit OS/2 app has shown
performance increases of over 100% on the Pentium Pro. The best any
32-bit Win95 app has done is run at about the same speed. Most run
slower.

More recently, Shupak returned to this topic by referring to Intel
benchmarks showing Win95 gains over 20% in performance on the Pentium
Pro. That benchmark has been openly rebuked by PC Magazine, who
pointed out how it was rigged and how you would never see that gain in
real life.

So professionally done is Shupak's spin-doctoring that many began to
openly wonder if his job at Microsoft were not to do exactly what he
was doing in Canopus: blowing smoke and dis'ing the competition.
Richard insists otherwise. Though his posts almost never venture into
any area more personal than Win95, he claims that his presence on
Canopus is strictly personal. Why then, someone asked, is he
participating with a sponsored account? That's right. This MS employee
who refuses to identify himself as such, who spins faster than a
Craftsman 1/4" drill, who never talks about anything except MS
products and their competitors, who participates in Canopus for
personal reasons, does so on an account paid for by CompuServe. Why
indeed.

When I made it known that I was going to write an article about the
behavior of MS employees online, and specifically about Shupak's, who
else but Bruce Biermann steps into the fray. Rude, bullying, using
intimidation of every kind, trying to belittle me in a number of ways,
Biermann revealed himself to be a jerk of the highest order.

Threats? How about lawsuits. For weeks he talked about it. Every time
I logged on Biermann was there with another warning that I had better
consult my attorneys, because he is and he is going to file a libel
suit. Remember now, all this talk was about a column I said was going
to write. He hadn't seen it. Nobody had seen it. He had already
decided it was libelous. When someone pointed this out to him, his
story changed. He begins revising history in the finest tradition of
Microsoft and started talking about suing me for statements made
online instead.

Clearly his intent, and Shupak's, who has happily joined in, is to
intimidate me so that I won't write the story. Just as there was a
tradition of stealth-PR work at Microsoft, attempts at intimidation of
critics also has a place in their online history. USENET posters, for
example, who posted messages from government accounts were threatened
with dire consequences if they didn't stop being critical of MS.

Biermann began to make insulting, slanderous, petty ad hominem attacks
on a daily basis. He wanted to compare financial statements between
the Dweebspeak Primer and Microsoft. Just as if the size of a bank
account, or cash flow, is a valid measure of an individual. Tell that
to Mother Theresa and the Columbian drug cartels. He refers to me as a
"dishonest reporter." He attempts to belittle me for being a
recovering alcoholic. All of this activity, the constant attempt to
discredit me by whatever means he can think of, is the most damning
indictman of his own character possible.

In the middle of all of Biermann's threats, attempts to belittle, and
other displays of his ignorance and lack of values, new facts about
Shupak's participation come to light. Acting on a tip received by
another forum participant, I checked the user logs of an OS/2 related
forum: OS2AVEN. This forum is dedicated to OS/2 vendors like OS/2
magazine. I found that Shupak visited that forum every time he visited
Canopus. From as few as three or four times a day to a dozen or more.
It is obvious looking at the times of his visits that he is using an
automated reader to visit CompuServe. For almost every visit to one
forum there is one for the other, often within seconds of each other.

Strangely enough, I found no evidence that Shupak ever posted or
received messages in OS2AVEN. He only lurked in the shadows and
downloaded message traffic. Even more curiously, when I looked in a
few other OS/2 fora, I found similar entries in the user logs for
PSPBETA, where OS/2 and OS/2 related products from IBM are the topics
of conversation. One of those would be BART, which will be a direct
competitor to the RAD tools that Shupak works on for Microsoft
Research. Again, there was no evidence that he ever sent or received
messages. But every time he appeared in the user logs for Canopus and
OS2AVEN, he visited PSPBETA as well.

For personal reasons? Right. On a sponsored account. When I asked
Shupak about this on Canopus, he continued to claim it was for
personal reasons. That was enough for Phil Payne. Resenting the fact
that his payments to CIS each month were funding the sponsored account
Shupak uses to spin in Canopus and spy on OS/2 fora, he said goodbye.

Well, like restaurants and other trendy things, haunts in cyberspace
rise and fall in popularity. Zachmann spends more time posting on the
internet lately than he does in Canopus. Who can blame him. These days
it's only a safe haven for MS spin-doctors, not for critics or
independent thinkers. Online thugs, dimly lit cyberjerks who use the
foulest imaginable language on anyone who disagrees with them, male or
female, roam free. I recently reported the foul-mouthed William Beem
to both CIS and the police for making threats. Other vermin contribute
nothing but content-free ad hominem, including one pathetic munchkin
who openly wishes me a horrible death. Me? I'm following Payne out the
door. The stench on Canopus is more than I can bear.
Post by Ezekiel
Post by Ruben
Are you ready to confess your identity yet ;)
Yeah. My name is Ezekiel Strubhar and I'm amish. Since things like
computers are banned by our culture I have to sneak into the shed in
order to use mine.
Yeah that will work when they bring in electrical lines and a DSL/telco
connection to Amish country.

Ruben
--
http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software

So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

© Copyright for the Digital Millennium
Ruben
2008-04-27 17:53:19 UTC
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Post by Ezekiel
Post by Ruben
Post by Ezekiel
Post by Ruben
The standards for broken is different for windows that GNU systems.
Better a broken GNU system then a working Vista system.
Yeah, sure. A linux machine with no sound, no video and frequent lock-ups
is real sweet.
Paul, you post that over and over again as well. But that doesn't
descibe on of the machines my 6 kids and I use. My kids are using them
for everything from juke boxes, TV sets, and recording studios. I guess
my kids aren't as stupid as your broken MS box where the DRM keys have
been revoked.
Of course. You're a linux "advocate" so of course everything works
perfectly and you get 14 hours of battery life on your laptop too.
Post by Ruben
BTW Paul, that company your working for is also to the MPAA's payroll.
And what company would that be. I'm sure that you're not talking out of
your ass and making stuff up. Because you have proof... right?
Post by Ruben
Are you ready to confess your identity yet ;)
Yeah. My name is Ezekiel Strubhar and I'm amish. Since things like
computers are banned by our culture I have to sneak into the shed in
order to use mine.
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Ruevain
--
http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software

So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

© Copyright for the Digital Millennium
DFS
2008-04-27 19:58:01 UTC
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Post by Ezekiel
Post by Ruben
Post by Ezekiel
Yep - Don't fix what's already broken. Just keep inventing new things and
throw them into the mix.
The standards for broken is different for windows that GNU systems.
Better a broken GNU system then a working Vista system.
Yeah, sure. A linux machine with no sound, no video and frequent
lock-ups is real sweet.
Ruben (and most "advocates") is in the business of donating 'intellectual
welfare' to Linux, which means he holds it to very different - and lower -
standards than he holds Windows.
Post by Ezekiel
Post by Ruben
Anyway, Paul, time to cash the chips in, time is running out your
voluntary
discloser of your identity.
Another nonsensical sentence.

discloser = disclosure.
Post by Ezekiel
Put down the crack-pipe you fool. You have zero idea what you're
talking about.
You better listen to Ruben. He'll get his whole posse of FSF nutjobs (all 2
of the stinky weirdos, Stallman is the one with the scraggly beard and
jiggling tits) on your trail.
Post by Ezekiel
Post by Ruben
Your going to be fingered very soon, and the company that recruited you.
I wasn't recruited by anyone you retard.
Methinks Ruben needs some Thorazine.
Jerry McBride
2008-04-27 16:20:07 UTC
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Ezekiel wrote:
http://www.newmobilecomputing.com/story/19671/Ubuntu_Man_Shuttleworth_Dissects_Hardy_Herons_Arrival
Post by Ezekiel
<quote>
El Reg continues, confronting Shuttleworth with Martin Owens, the Ubuntu
Massachusetts LoCo leader. Owens said that PulseAudio, one of the big new
features in Hardy Heron, produces a lot of problems instead of fixing any
of the long-standing audio issues in Linux.
Issues? What issues are those?
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Ezekiel
2008-04-27 17:03:50 UTC
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Post by Ezekiel
http://www.newmobilecomputing.com/story/19671/Ubuntu_Man_Shuttleworth_Dissects_Hardy_Herons_Arrival
Post by Ezekiel
<quote>
El Reg continues, confronting Shuttleworth with Martin Owens, the Ubuntu
Massachusetts LoCo leader. Owens said that PulseAudio, one of the big new
features in Hardy Heron, produces a lot of problems instead of fixing any
of the long-standing audio issues in Linux.
Issues? What issues are those?
Maybe you should ask all of those users who can't get any one of the
existing four audio systems to work this question. Issues... yeah right.
It's not like linux doesn't have a history of terrible multimedia support.
Post by Ezekiel
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Ruben
2008-04-27 17:36:30 UTC
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Post by Ezekiel
Maybe you should ask all of those users who can't get any one of the
existing four audio systems to work this question. Issues... yeah right.
It's not like linux doesn't have a history of terrible multimedia support.
The clock is ticking on you Mr Amish....

Tick Toc. The Amish do use clocks? No?

Ruben
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"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

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2008-04-27 19:29:11 UTC
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Post by Ezekiel
Maybe you should ask all of those users who can't get any one of the
existing four audio systems to work this question. Issues... yeah right.
It's not like linux doesn't have a history of terrible multimedia support.
The clock is ticking on you Mr Amish....
Tick Toc. The Amish do use clocks? No?
Ruben
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"Ruben" schreef...
Post by Ezekiel
Maybe you should ask all of those users who can't get any
one of the existing four audio systems to work this
question. Issues... yeah right. It's not like linux
doesn't have a history of terrible multimedia support.
The clock is ticking on you Mr Amish.... Tick Toc. The
Amish do use clocks? No?
Hi Ge <SNIP>
Another illiterate idiot troll who can't read headers, sheesh.

I am not Ruben, dipstick.
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Tim Smith
2008-04-27 20:28:42 UTC
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Post by Ruben
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
Let's see what great Linux advocacy we can find at your site.

Hmmm...a good start would be the MEMBERS' CORNER (apostrophe error in
the original). Click the link...

=========== RESULT ===========
Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was
unable to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, ***@mrbrklyn.com and inform
them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done
that may have caused the error.

[20431]ERR: 12: main.html(1): File
/usr/local/apache/htdocs/nylxs/members/main.html open error: No such
file or directory

Embperl/2.0rc4 Apache/2.0.54 (Unix) mod_perl/2.0.0 Perl/v5.8.5 [Sun Apr
27 16:16:49 2008]
=========== END RESULT ===========

Oh well. Let's check the jobs listings. Wow! Three whole job listings
are available in NYC for Linux. They are all from mid to late *2004*.
Clicking on some of them to see details, I get a javascript popup window
with the details.

Except the details are too long for the window, but the window doesn't
have a scrollbar in Safari, so you have to resize the window to see it
all. Same result in Firefox.

But it does work fine in IE. Great cross-platform web-coding skills.
Did you test the site on anything other than IE?

Considering that you call NYLXS "one of the most important Free Software
organizaions in the nation", it seems kind of odd that I have to use IE
to actually experience your site correctly.
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Hadron
2008-04-27 21:03:43 UTC
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Post by Tim Smith
Post by Ruben
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
Let's see what great Linux advocacy we can find at your site.
Hmmm...a good start would be the MEMBERS' CORNER (apostrophe error in
the original). Click the link...
=========== RESULT ===========
Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was
unable to complete your request.
them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done
that may have caused the error.
[20431]ERR: 12: main.html(1): File
/usr/local/apache/htdocs/nylxs/members/main.html open error: No such
file or directory
Embperl/2.0rc4 Apache/2.0.54 (Unix) mod_perl/2.0.0 Perl/v5.8.5 [Sun Apr
27 16:16:49 2008]
=========== END RESULT ===========
Oh well. Let's check the jobs listings. Wow! Three whole job listings
are available in NYC for Linux. They are all from mid to late *2004*.
Clicking on some of them to see details, I get a javascript popup window
with the details.
Except the details are too long for the window, but the window doesn't
have a scrollbar in Safari, so you have to resize the window to see it
all. Same result in Firefox.
But it does work fine in IE. Great cross-platform web-coding skills.
Did you test the site on anything other than IE?
Considering that you call NYLXS "one of the most important Free Software
organizaions in the nation", it seems kind of odd that I have to use IE
to actually experience your site correctly.
I'm astonished you bothered to go to his poxy site. All fur coat and no
knickers like most of the COLA "advocates" - clueless about everything
except posing and "me too"ing.

To these people what he has there IS great stuff - since most COLA
advocates are equally clueless about what makes a good UI/Web. Just ask
Gregory Shearman for example - he thinks it's a waste of a programmers
time coding to a consistent interface guideline.
Ruben
2008-04-27 22:06:15 UTC
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Message 96' Cha Chink!
Post by Tim Smith
Post by Ruben
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
Let's see what great Linux advocacy we can find at your site.
Hmmm...a good start would be the MEMBERS' CORNER (apostrophe error in
the original). Click the link...
=========== RESULT ===========
Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was
unable to complete your request.
them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done
that may have caused the error.
[20431]ERR: 12: main.html(1): File
/usr/local/apache/htdocs/nylxs/members/main.html open error: No such
file or directory
Embperl/2.0rc4 Apache/2.0.54 (Unix) mod_perl/2.0.0 Perl/v5.8.5 [Sun Apr
27 16:16:49 2008]
=========== END RESULT ===========
Oh well. Let's check the jobs listings. Wow! Three whole job listings
are available in NYC for Linux. They are all from mid to late *2004*.
Clicking on some of them to see details, I get a javascript popup window
with the details.
Except the details are too long for the window, but the window doesn't
have a scrollbar in Safari, so you have to resize the window to see it
all. Same result in Firefox.
But it does work fine in IE. Great cross-platform web-coding skills.
Did you test the site on anything other than IE?
Considering that you call NYLXS "one of the most important Free Software
organizaions in the nation", it seems kind of odd that I have to use IE
to actually experience your site correctly.
--
http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software

So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

© Copyright for the Digital Millennium
Erik Funkenbusch
2008-04-27 18:41:29 UTC
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Post by Ezekiel
http://www.newmobilecomputing.com/story/19671/Ubuntu_Man_Shuttleworth_Dissects_Hardy_Herons_Arrival
Post by Ezekiel
<quote>
El Reg continues, confronting Shuttleworth with Martin Owens, the Ubuntu
Massachusetts LoCo leader. Owens said that PulseAudio, one of the big new
features in Hardy Heron, produces a lot of problems instead of fixing any
of the long-standing audio issues in Linux.
Issues? What issues are those?
If you'd read the recent interchange between Jeff Glatt and others in this
very newsgroup, you'd know. According to Jeff, PulseAudio is simply crappy
software, with no error checking and is highly unstable. What's worse,
Jeff claims that PulseAudio doesn't do anything that ALSA doesn't already
do, with the dmix plugin.

This is really one of the big issues with Linux. Rather than extending
ALSA to do what you want it to do, people feel the need to write their own
software, usually creating something that is sloppy and unstable. Instead,
it would be a lot better to hack on the good software product that's
already out there. Even if your changes are sloppy and unstable, it's a
lot easier to fix those than a whole new program.
Hadron
2008-04-27 19:17:30 UTC
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Post by Erik Funkenbusch
Post by Ezekiel
http://www.newmobilecomputing.com/story/19671/Ubuntu_Man_Shuttleworth_Dissects_Hardy_Herons_Arrival
Post by Ezekiel
<quote>
El Reg continues, confronting Shuttleworth with Martin Owens, the Ubuntu
Massachusetts LoCo leader. Owens said that PulseAudio, one of the big new
features in Hardy Heron, produces a lot of problems instead of fixing any
of the long-standing audio issues in Linux.
Issues? What issues are those?
If you'd read the recent interchange between Jeff Glatt and others in this
very newsgroup, you'd know. According to Jeff, PulseAudio is simply crappy
software, with no error checking and is highly unstable. What's worse,
Jeff claims that PulseAudio doesn't do anything that ALSA doesn't already
do, with the dmix plugin.
I still can not get it all working. I had to reinstall Pulse. Challenge
: try and find a single document which explains how Alsa and dmix work
in a general "anyone can use it" format.

Linux sound is a joke.
Post by Erik Funkenbusch
This is really one of the big issues with Linux. Rather than extending
ALSA to do what you want it to do, people feel the need to write their own
software, usually creating something that is sloppy and unstable. Instead,
it would be a lot better to hack on the good software product that's
already out there. Even if your changes are sloppy and unstable, it's a
lot easier to fix those than a whole new program.
arts
oss
esd
esound
alsa
pulse
jack
gstreamer
xine
dmix
alsamixer

all words that start to make you blink after a few days of trying to get
things to work. Its enough to guarantee you a few years locked up in the
loony bin with 7 or Mark Kent.
Rick
2008-04-27 20:08:31 UTC
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Post by Hadron
Post by Erik Funkenbusch
Post by Ezekiel
http://www.newmobilecomputing.com/story/19671/
Ubuntu_Man_Shuttleworth_Dissects_Hardy_Herons_Arrival
Post by Hadron
Post by Erik Funkenbusch
Post by Ezekiel
Post by Ezekiel
<quote>
El Reg continues, confronting Shuttleworth with Martin Owens, the
Ubuntu Massachusetts LoCo leader. Owens said that PulseAudio, one of
the big new features in Hardy Heron, produces a lot of problems
instead of fixing any of the long-standing audio issues in Linux.
Issues? What issues are those?
If you'd read the recent interchange between Jeff Glatt and others in
this very newsgroup, you'd know. According to Jeff, PulseAudio is
simply crappy software, with no error checking and is highly unstable.
What's worse, Jeff claims that PulseAudio doesn't do anything that ALSA
doesn't already do, with the dmix plugin.
I still can not get it all working. I had to reinstall Pulse. Challenge
: try and find a single document which explains how Alsa and dmix work
in a general "anyone can use it" format.
Linux sound is a joke.
So, why do you use it? Oh... you're a joke.
Post by Hadron
Post by Erik Funkenbusch
This is really one of the big issues with Linux. Rather than extending
ALSA to do what you want it to do, people feel the need to write their
own software, usually creating something that is sloppy and unstable.
Instead, it would be a lot better to hack on the good software product
that's already out there. Even if your changes are sloppy and
unstable, it's a lot easier to fix those than a whole new program.
arts
oss
esd
esound
alsa
pulse
jack
gstreamer
xine
dmix
alsamixer
all words that start to make you blink after a few days of trying to get
things to work. Its enough to guarantee you a few years locked up in the
loony bin with 7 or Mark Kent.
So, AGAIN, why do you use Linux based software?
--
Rick
High Plains Thumper
2008-04-27 22:49:09 UTC
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Post by Rick
Post by Hadron
I still can not get it all working. I had to reinstall Pulse. Challenge
: try and find a single document which explains how Alsa and dmix work
in a general "anyone can use it" format.
Linux sound is a joke.
So, why do you use it? Oh... you're a joke.
There we have it folks from Hadron Quark, "Usenet etiquette provocateur",
"true Linux advocate", "Debian distro governor", "kernel hacker", "emacs
user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server
admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader magician", "hardware maven",
"time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS culling committee chairman"
Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian O'Leary.

http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/01/hadron-quark-troll.html

Debian Stable is one of the most widely used distros for mission critical
applications and where one wants minimal impact to production work. Very
few require bleeding edge software to be productive.

Yet Hadron insists that Debian Stable is full of bugs and too backward for
usage:

Subject: Re: [News] Sister OS to Linux, OS-X Has Better TCO than Microsoft
Windows
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:50:07 +0100
Message-ID: fr08c1$9e1$***@registered.motzarella.org

[quote]
Post by Rick
Hadron has an apparent inability to recognise how more consistent usage
of Debian Stable will only help his usage of the product, preferring
unstable versions of Debian; if not for the only reason as an
opportunity to attack Linux/OSS.
Once more for the hard of brain power : I use testing. Not unstable. And I
use it for a reason - Debian Stable is simply too buggy and backward and I
cant be arsed to manage pinning or selectively monitoring backports.
[/quote]
--
HPT
Hadron
2008-04-27 22:55:35 UTC
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Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by Rick
Post by Hadron
I still can not get it all working. I had to reinstall Pulse. Challenge
: try and find a single document which explains how Alsa and dmix work
in a general "anyone can use it" format.
Linux sound is a joke.
So, why do you use it? Oh... you're a joke.
No. I use it and try to help improve it. Did you not READ where I
posted the efforts I had been to get it working?

You really have lost it Rick. I had had hopes you might have some common
sense.

Linux Sound being a joke *doesn't* stop me using it - that says more
about me than about you who questions why I dont move on to another OS.
Post by High Plains Thumper
There we have it folks from Hadron Quark, "Usenet etiquette
provocateur",
And the fact you have HPT backing you up really shows you have hit rock
bottom.
Rick
2008-04-27 23:04:58 UTC
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Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by Rick
Post by Hadron
I still can not get it all working. I had to reinstall Pulse.
Challenge : try and find a single document which explains how Alsa
and dmix work in a general "anyone can use it" format.
Linux sound is a joke.
So, why do you use it? Oh... you're a joke.
No. I use it and try to help improve it. Did you not READ where I posted
the efforts I had been to get it working?
You use software that is a joke? Why?
You really have lost it Rick. I had had hopes you might have some common
sense.
Big deal. You had hopes. How can some one that uses software he considers
a joke be though credible?
Linux Sound being a joke *doesn't* stop me using it - that says more
about me than about you who questions why I dont move on to another OS.
Yeah.. it says you use software that is a joke.

BTW, I use PCLinuxOS as my main OS. I have used Linux based software as
my main OS for years, and I have never considered it a joke.
Post by High Plains Thumper
There we have it folks from Hadron Quark, "Usenet etiquette
provocateur",
And the fact you have HPT backing you up really shows you have hit rock
bottom.
And your idiocy knows no bounds.
--
Rick
High Plains Thumper
2008-04-28 04:52:17 UTC
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Post by Rick
Post by Hadron
Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by Hadron
I still can not get it all working. I had to reinstall Pulse.
Challenge : try and find a single document which explains how Alsa
and dmix work in a general "anyone can use it" format.
Linux sound is a joke.
<SNIP>
Post by Rick
Post by Hadron
Post by High Plains Thumper
There we have it folks from Hadron Quark, "Usenet etiquette
provocateur",
And the fact you have HPT backing you up really shows you have hit rock
bottom.
And your idiocy knows no bounds.
He is really an enigma, isn't he? If he can't get Debian Stable to work,
then why would one expect him to get sound to work? That is asking too
much and yes, he has proven himself over and over that he is definitely
not a Linux advocate.
--
HPT
William Poaster
2008-04-28 11:43:32 UTC
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Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by Rick
Post by Hadron
Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by Hadron
I still can not get it all working. I had to reinstall Pulse.
Challenge : try and find a single document which explains how Alsa
and dmix work in a general "anyone can use it" format.
Linux sound is a joke.
<SNIP>
Post by Rick
Post by Hadron
Post by High Plains Thumper
There we have it folks from Hadron Quark, "Usenet etiquette
provocateur",
And the fact you have HPT backing you up really shows you have hit rock
bottom.
And your idiocy knows no bounds.
He is really an enigma, isn't he? If he can't get Debian Stable to work,
then why would one expect him to get sound to work? That is asking too
much and yes, he has proven himself over and over that he is definitely
not a Linux advocate.
I've not seen him post his drivel in a Debian group, but I'm not too
surprised as he'd probably be "laughed out of town". I did see, some time
ago, he posted a couple of questions but was virtually ignored!
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High Plains Thumper
2008-04-28 23:34:29 UTC
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Post by William Poaster
Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by Rick
Post by Hadron
And the fact you have HPT backing you up really shows
you have hit rock bottom.
And your idiocy knows no bounds.
He is really an enigma, isn't he? If he can't get Debian
Stable to work, then why would one expect him to get sound
to work? That is asking too much and yes, he has proven
himself over and over that he is definitely not a Linux
advocate.
I've not seen him post his drivel in a Debian group, but I'm
not too surprised as he'd probably be "laughed out of town". I
did see, some time ago, he posted a couple of questions but
was virtually ignored!
There are some people there IMHO, who are serious about Debian
and some seriously looking to help others. In helping others,
they have no time for baboons.
--
HPT
RonB
2008-04-29 00:59:51 UTC
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You'd think Micro$haft would learn to quit releasing beta-class software
into the retail market.
--
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
William Poaster
2008-04-29 10:12:44 UTC
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Post by RonB
You'd think Micro$haft would learn to quit releasing beta-class software
into the retail market.
Ah, you mean "Vista, work in progress" that Blammer was referring to. Well
M$ is not interested in what they release, as long as the
sucke.....er....."customers" keep buying the crap, & chucking wads of cash
at M$ for the honour of running it.
"Never give a sucker an even break" is their company motto, but people are
gradually learning. More are enquiring about, & trying out, Linux distros.
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DFS
2008-04-28 13:47:19 UTC
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Post by High Plains Thumper
He is really an enigma, isn't he? If he can't get Debian Stable to
work, then why would one expect him to get sound to work? That is
asking too much and yes, he has proven himself over and over that he
is definitely not a Linux advocate.
Hadron's type of advocacy is more real than most. He likes Linux and uses
it
almost exclusively, but doesn't suffer cola-type "advocate" fools.

Rex Ballard could be effective, but he's too caught up in lying and
exaggerating. (if he's still alive - it's been a while)

Kelsey Bjarnason can also make a good case for Linux, but he's deranged.
Ruben
2008-04-27 22:11:30 UTC
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Post by Erik Funkenbusch
This is really one of the big issues with Linux. Rather than extending
ALSA to do what you want it to do, people feel the need to write their own
software, usually creating something that is sloppy and unstable.
MS PLEASE SAVE ME SAVE ME SAVE ME!
--
http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software

So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

© Copyright for the Digital Millennium
High Plains Thumper
2008-04-27 22:38:22 UTC
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Post by Ruben
Post by Erik Funkenbusch
This is really one of the big issues with Linux. Rather than extending
ALSA to do what you want it to do, people feel the need to write their
own software, usually creating something that is sloppy and unstable.
MS PLEASE SAVE ME SAVE ME SAVE ME!
Don't expect Erik to write anything that is truthful. People DO NOT have
to write their own sound drivers. There are some audio cards that are not
yet fully supported by ALSA. If one looks at their support matrix, one
finds that the manufacturer has not released technical information to
them. One only wonders hwy, perhaps there must be some MOU between
manufacturer and certain OS proprieters that prevent sharing privileged
proprietary information.

Most audio cards are supported by ALSA.
--
HPT
Hadron
2008-04-27 22:56:18 UTC
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Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by Ruben
Post by Erik Funkenbusch
This is really one of the big issues with Linux. Rather than extending
ALSA to do what you want it to do, people feel the need to write their
own software, usually creating something that is sloppy and unstable.
MS PLEASE SAVE ME SAVE ME SAVE ME!
Don't expect Erik to write anything that is truthful. People DO NOT have
to write their own sound drivers. There are some audio cards that are not
yet fully supported by ALSA. If one looks at their support matrix, one
finds that the manufacturer has not released technical information to
them. One only wonders hwy, perhaps there must be some MOU between
manufacturer and certain OS proprieters that prevent sharing privileged
proprietary information.
Most audio cards are supported by ALSA.
But ALSA does not work with certain key apps properly. It is a mess. And
you know it.

As usual HPT shows he knows NOTHING about Linux.
JEDIDIAH
2008-04-28 22:21:21 UTC
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Post by Hadron
Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by Ruben
Post by Erik Funkenbusch
This is really one of the big issues with Linux. Rather than extending
ALSA to do what you want it to do, people feel the need to write their
own software, usually creating something that is sloppy and unstable.
MS PLEASE SAVE ME SAVE ME SAVE ME!
Don't expect Erik to write anything that is truthful. People DO NOT have
to write their own sound drivers. There are some audio cards that are not
yet fully supported by ALSA. If one looks at their support matrix, one
finds that the manufacturer has not released technical information to
them. One only wonders hwy, perhaps there must be some MOU between
manufacturer and certain OS proprieters that prevent sharing privileged
proprietary information.
Most audio cards are supported by ALSA.
But ALSA does not work with certain key apps properly. It is a mess. And
you know it.
No I don't.

Specifically what apps do YOU have a problem with?

[deletia]

I can understand the rationale behind why PulseAudio was created.
I can see where it makes a lot of sense, just not for anyone posting
to this newsgroup and especially YOU.
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better things to do with my time than deal with how iTunes doesn't / | \
want to play nicely with everyone else's data (namely mine). I'd
rather create a DVD using those Linux apps we're told don't exist.

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Erik Funkenbusch
2008-04-28 05:31:24 UTC
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Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by Ruben
Post by Erik Funkenbusch
This is really one of the big issues with Linux. Rather than extending
ALSA to do what you want it to do, people feel the need to write their
own software, usually creating something that is sloppy and unstable.
MS PLEASE SAVE ME SAVE ME SAVE ME!
Don't expect Erik to write anything that is truthful. People DO NOT have
to write their own sound drivers. There are some audio cards that are not
yet fully supported by ALSA. If one looks at their support matrix, one
finds that the manufacturer has not released technical information to
them. One only wonders hwy, perhaps there must be some MOU between
manufacturer and certain OS proprieters that prevent sharing privileged
proprietary information.
Most audio cards are supported by ALSA.
This has nothing to do with specific audio cards. PulseAudio is a generic
daemon.

http://www.pulseaudio.org/

"PulseAudio is a sound server for POSIX and Win32 systems. A sound server
is basically a proxy for your sound applications. It allows you to do
advanced operations on your sound data as it passes between your
application and your hardware. Things like transferring the audio to a
different machine, changing the sample format or channel count and mixing
several sounds into one are easily achieved using a sound server."

Which is a joke, there is no reason for PulseAudio on Win32, because Win32
already does all those things, including sending the sound to another
machine.
Ruben
2008-04-28 15:06:17 UTC
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Post by Erik Funkenbusch
This has nothing to do with specific audio cards. PulseAudio is a generic
daemon.
When they pay you for your trolls, do they break down the posts according
to technical trolls, social trolls, and marketing troll. This one is a
pretty good technical misdirection troll. How much do they pay you for
those?

BTW - what's your real name?

Ruben
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http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software

So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

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Ezekiel
2008-04-28 11:56:11 UTC
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Post by High Plains Thumper
Post by Ruben
Post by Erik Funkenbusch
This is really one of the big issues with Linux. Rather than extending
ALSA to do what you want it to do, people feel the need to write their
own software, usually creating something that is sloppy and unstable.
MS PLEASE SAVE ME SAVE ME SAVE ME!
Don't expect Erik to write anything that is truthful. People DO NOT have
to write their own sound drivers.
Don't expect High Plains Rafael to write anything coherent. It was NEVER
written that people (end users) have to write their own sound drivers.
Post by High Plains Thumper
There are some audio cards that are not
yet fully supported by ALSA.
So rather than "finish the job" let's create a whole new audio system that
has even worse hardware support.
Post by High Plains Thumper
If one looks at their support matrix, one
finds that the manufacturer has not released technical information to
them. One only wonders hwy, perhaps there must be some MOU between
manufacturer and certain OS proprieters that prevent sharing privileged
proprietary information.
Why should they release their technical specs to morons like you?
Post by High Plains Thumper
Most audio cards are supported by ALSA.
So the solution is to abandon ALSA and create a whole new audio system. Way
to go linux! Even Shuttleworth admits that it's a clusterfuck.
Post by High Plains Thumper
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Ruben
2008-04-28 14:54:36 UTC
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Post by Ezekiel
Don't expect High Plains Rafael to write anything coherent. It was NEVER
written that people (end users) have to write their own sound drivers.
PAul, your also running under the name Eric? How many psoudonams do you
work here under. Do you get a check for each name?

What's your real name. I know it's not that hard. I'll start first. My
name is Ruben. I live in Brooklyn, not far from you. And your real name
is????

Ruben
--
http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software

So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

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chrisv
2008-04-28 12:59:47 UTC
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Post by Erik Funkenbusch
This is really one of the big issues with Linux. Rather than extending
ALSA to do what you want it to do, people feel the need to write their own
software, usually creating something that is sloppy and unstable.
Oh, is it "usually" "sloppy and unstable", Funky?

And where's the rule that, should someone write "sloppy and unstable"
code, that others will must use it? Contrast this to Windwoes, where
there's often no choice but to use whatever customer-hostile crap that
Micro$oft deems to provide.
Ezekiel
2008-04-28 13:07:53 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Post by Erik Funkenbusch
This is really one of the big issues with Linux. Rather than extending
ALSA to do what you want it to do, people feel the need to write their own
software, usually creating something that is sloppy and unstable.
Oh, is it "usually" "sloppy and unstable", Funky?
And where's the rule that, should someone write "sloppy and unstable"
code, that others will must use it?
Contrast this to Windwoes, where
there's often no choice but to use whatever customer-hostile crap that
Micro$oft deems to provide.
"Often no choice" - So you should have no problem naming several Windows
applications where there is no alternative to Microsoft products.

I didn't think so. Be a good liar^h^h^h^h "advocate" and slink away now.



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Ruben
2008-04-28 14:50:46 UTC
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Post by Ezekiel
"Often no choice" - So you should have no problem naming several Windows
applications where there is no alternative to Microsoft products.
I didn't think so. Be a good liar^h^h^h^h "advocate" and slink away now.
Hey Paul, back to work today I can see. Your busy earning your daily
bread here. What is your quota of posts that you have to make today to
get paid?

Ruben
--
http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software

So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

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Ezekiel
2008-04-28 14:57:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ruben
Post by Ezekiel
"Often no choice" - So you should have no problem naming several Windows
applications where there is no alternative to Microsoft products.
I didn't think so. Be a good liar^h^h^h^h "advocate" and slink away now.
Hey Paul, back to work today I can see.
Hey Retard, still stupid today I can see.
Post by Ruben
Your busy earning your daily bread here.
You have me confused with Roy Schestowitz. I have a real job for a real
employer. It's Roy Schestowitz who is an unemployed student that leaches
off of someone elses internet connection to post his spam.
Post by Ruben
What is your quota of posts that you have to make today to get paid?
Zero. What's your quota?
Post by Ruben
Ruben
--
http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like
Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI
Safir 1998
http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to
our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our
own society."
"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have
been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess
you missed that one."
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Ruben
2008-04-28 15:07:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ezekiel
Post by Ruben
Hey Paul, back to work today I can see.
Hey Retard, still stupid today I can see.
Paul, do you prefer the Gorilla Cafe to the net connection at the Tea
Lounge?

Ruben
--
http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software

So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

© Copyright for the Digital Millennium
chrisv
2008-04-28 15:35:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ruben
Post by Ezekiel
"Often no choice" - So you should have no problem naming several Windows
applications where there is no alternative to Microsoft products.
How about Windows itself, fsckwit?
Post by Ruben
Post by Ezekiel
I didn't think so. Be a good liar^h^h^h^h "advocate" and slink away now.
I usually don't even see your posts, nym-shifter, but that can hardly be
called "slinking away".
Post by Ruben
Hey Paul, back to work today I can see. Your busy earning your daily
bread here. What is your quota of posts that you have to make today to
get paid?
I'd advise KFD'ing the worthless idiot, then do it again when he
nym-shifts.
Ezekiel
2008-04-28 15:56:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by chrisv
Post by Ruben
Post by Ezekiel
"Often no choice" - So you should have no problem naming several Windows
applications where there is no alternative to Microsoft products.
How about Windows itself, fsckwit?
Are you really that stupid that you're claiming there are no alternatives
to Windows?
Post by chrisv
Post by Ruben
Post by Ezekiel
I didn't think so. Be a good liar^h^h^h^h "advocate" and slink away now.
I usually don't even see your posts, nym-shifter, but that can hardly be
called "slinking away".
Cowards like you are good at slinking away.
Post by chrisv
Post by Ruben
Hey Paul, back to work today I can see. Your busy earning your daily
bread here. What is your quota of posts that you have to make today to
get paid?
I'd advise KFD'ing the worthless idiot, then do it again when he
nym-shifts.
That's rich coming from chrisv... the king of worthless idiots.


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Ruben
2008-04-29 00:27:32 UTC
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Post by Ezekiel
Post by chrisv
How about Windows itself, fsckwit?
Are you really that stupid that you're claiming there are no alternatives
to Windows?
It's best to remind people at this point that this is a paid troll and a
dangerous one at that who is willing to hack into systems when he feels
cornered.

Do not engage him.

Ruben
--
http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software

So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

© Copyright for the Digital Millennium
Rankin Cycle
2008-04-29 01:35:55 UTC
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Post by Ruben
Post by Ezekiel
Post by chrisv
How about Windows itself, fsckwit?
Are you really that stupid that you're claiming there are no
alternatives to Windows?
It's best to remind people at this point that this is a paid troll and
a dangerous one at that who is willing to hack into systems when he
feels cornered.
Do not engage him.
Me thinks your expectations of him too high, mate, 'is argumentative
prose is at best very childish with visceral motives. I must agree with
you at one point, all trolls have a vindictive ire about them.

A best expression is found at:

http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm

<Quote>
Subject: 3.4 The nasty Troll

If anyone does anything which will interfere with the troll's ability to
cause mayhem, they can become very nasty, posting from obviously
incorrect variations of the name etc. insults, call them netcops,
netnannies, homosexuals.

Various off usenet methods are also used to force the victim to stop
posting: Subscribing the victim to hundreds of unwanted pornographic
email newsletters, and sites. Complaining to employers about non existent
misdemeanours. Sending garbage emails without indication of sender.
Telephone calls at dead of night. Harassing the close relatives of
victims.

------------------------------

Subject: 3.5 The evil and illegal Troll

If anyone does anything which will interfere with the troll's ability to
cause mayhem, they also forge posts in that persons name and internet
address and libel them on usenet. Both these are illegal.
</Quote>

After an advocate engages a troll like Timmy and given him a good hiding,
Timmy as DFS says, slinks away. Must uv 'ad it away on 'is toes, mate!

Then, the general nastiness increases, another troll starts posting one's
personal addy, tele, etc.
DFS
2008-04-29 01:47:57 UTC
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Post by Rankin Cycle
After an advocate engages a troll like Timmy and given him a good
hiding, Timmy as DFS says, slinks away.
Show us who bested Tim and show us where he slunk away. I don't believe
it, and I bet you'll slink away right now.
Post by Rankin Cycle
Then, the general nastiness increases, another troll starts posting
one's personal addy, tele, etc.
As far as I know, only cola scumbag(s) have ever contacted someone's place
of employment to lie about someone whose cola posts they disagreed with.
chrisv
2008-04-29 12:38:13 UTC
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Post by Ruben
Post by Ezekiel
Post by chrisv
How about Windows itself, fsckwit?
Are you really that stupid that you're claiming there are no alternatives
to Windows?
It's best to remind people at this point that this is a paid troll and a
dangerous one at that who is willing to hack into systems when he feels
cornered.
Do not engage him.
Yeah, the poor fsckwitted troll appears to think that one can run
Windows without Windows.

Amazing how they don't seem to mind making complete jackasses of
themselves...
Ezekiel
2008-04-29 13:45:37 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Post by Ruben
Post by Ezekiel
Post by chrisv
How about Windows itself, fsckwit?
Are you really that stupid that you're claiming there are no
alternatives
to Windows?
It's best to remind people at this point that this is a paid troll and a
dangerous one at that who is willing to hack into systems when he feels
cornered.
Do not engage him.
Yeah, the poor fsckwitted troll appears to think that one can run
Windows without Windows.
Idiot.

So according to your "logic" one can run linux without linux? Or someone can
run Solaris without Solaris or run OSX without OSX.
Post by chrisv
Amazing how they don't seem to mind making complete jackasses of
themselves...
More proof that chrisy is the dumbest of the paid linux shills.




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DFS
2008-04-29 01:30:33 UTC
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Post by chrisv
Post by Ezekiel
"Often no choice" - So you should have no problem naming several
Windows applications where there is no alternative to Microsoft
products.
How about Windows itself, fsckwit?
What a lamebrain. Beaten again - as always.
Hadron
2008-04-27 19:14:28 UTC
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Post by Ezekiel
http://www.newmobilecomputing.com/story/19671/Ubuntu_Man_Shuttleworth_Dissects_Hardy_Herons_Arrival
Post by Ezekiel
<quote>
El Reg continues, confronting Shuttleworth with Martin Owens, the Ubuntu
Massachusetts LoCo leader. Owens said that PulseAudio, one of the big new
features in Hardy Heron, produces a lot of problems instead of fixing any
of the long-standing audio issues in Linux.
Issues? What issues are those?
Jerry, we knew you were retarded but don't over do it. You might just
get locked up for good. Now, go and google up "sound audio problems" in
the Ubuntu forums and find out for yourself.
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