Discussion:
Who or what do you glorify?
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Robert
2020-08-03 18:55:19 UTC
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Think about it.
Yourself?
The deeds of Satan
A religion?
God, through His Son Jesus Christ
Think about it once again, and answer or recognize what you Glorify.

When one defends what they believe by the doctrines and dogma's of their religion they are glorifying their religion, they have no knowledge of the truth.

You cannot glorify God of yourselves, it is not in you.

Those that worship God must, as Jesus has spoken,...
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him." John 4:23

And again,...
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." John 4:24

Glorify
GLO'RIFY, v.t. [L. gloria and facio, to make.]

1. To praise; to magnify and honor in worship; to ascribe honor to, in thought or words. Psa 86:9

God is glorified, when such his excellency, above all things, is with due admiration acknowledged.

2. To make glorious; to exalt to glory, or to celestial happiness.

Whom he justified, them he also glorified. Rom 8.

The God of our fathers hath glorified his son Jesus. Acts 3.

3. To praise; to honor; to extol.

Whomsoever they find to be most licentious of life--him they set up and glorify.

4. To procure honor or praise to.
d***@cox.net
2020-08-03 20:10:30 UTC
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Post by Robert
Think about it.
Yourself?
The deeds of Satan
A religion?
God, through His Son Jesus Christ
Think about it once again, and answer or recognize what you Glorify.
When one defends what they believe by the doctrines and dogma's of their religion they are glorifying their religion, they have no knowledge of the truth.
Well, now you know your problem..
Post by Robert
You cannot glorify God of yourselves, it is not in you.
Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.

the dukester, American-American
d***@cox.net
2020-08-04 22:14:58 UTC
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Post by Robert
Think about it.
Yourself?
The deeds of Satan
A religion?
God, through His Son Jesus Christ
Think about it once again, and answer or recognize what you Glorify.
When one defends what they believe by the doctrines and dogma's of their religion they are glorifying their religion, they have no knowledge of the truth.
You cannot glorify God of yourselves, it is not in you.
Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.
the dukester, American-American
Jeff Hickling
2020-08-05 03:53:41 UTC
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Post by Robert
Think about it.
Robert (better known as Bob on my knob) glorifies truck stop glory hole.
Rod
2020-08-05 19:04:52 UTC
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Post by Robert
Think about it.
Yourself?
The deeds of Satan
A religion?
God, through His Son Jesus Christ
Think about it once again, and answer or recognize what you Glorify.
When one defends what they believe by the doctrines and dogma's of their religion they are glorifying their religion, they have no knowledge of the truth.
You cannot glorify God of yourselves, it is not in you.
You must have someone in mind. Blanket statements like this
one are not always said in total truth.
Post by Robert
Those that worship God must, as Jesus has spoken,...
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him." John 4:23
And again,...
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." John 4:24
Glorify
GLO'RIFY, v.t. [L. gloria and facio, to make.]
1. To praise; to magnify and honor in worship; to ascribe honor to, in thought or words. Psa 86:9
God is glorified, when such his excellency, above all things, is with due admiration acknowledged.
2. To make glorious; to exalt to glory, or to celestial happiness.
Whom he justified, them he also glorified. Rom 8.
The God of our fathers hath glorified his son Jesus. Acts 3.
3. To praise; to honor; to extol.
Whomsoever they find to be most licentious of life--him they set up and glorify.
4. To procure honor or praise to.
Robert
2020-08-06 01:30:03 UTC
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Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Think about it.
Yourself?
The deeds of Satan
A religion?
God, through His Son Jesus Christ
Think about it once again, and answer or recognize what you Glorify.
When one defends what they believe by the doctrines and dogma's of their religion they are glorifying their religion, they have no knowledge of the truth.
You cannot glorify God of yourselves, it is not in you.
You must have someone in mind. Blanket statements like this
one are not always said in total truth.
Perhaps I should have used "we" in stead of "you"?

A few years back Roy said I was too personal when I spoke and asked me to speak without the finger pointing linguistics. So I did for a few years until he asked why I spoke so impersonally.

Thus the lingo. :)
Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Those that worship God must, as Jesus has spoken,...
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him." John 4:23
And again,...
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." John 4:24
This is why many cannot glorify God.
Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Glorify
GLO'RIFY, v.t. [L. gloria and facio, to make.]
1. To praise; to magnify and honor in worship; to ascribe honor to, in thought or words. Psa 86:9
God is glorified, when such his excellency, above all things, is with due admiration acknowledged.
2. To make glorious; to exalt to glory, or to celestial happiness.
Whom he justified, them he also glorified. Rom 8.
The God of our fathers hath glorified his son Jesus. Acts 3.
3. To praise; to honor; to extol.
Whomsoever they find to be most licentious of life--him they set up and glorify.
4. To procure honor or praise to.
Rod
2020-08-06 01:45:43 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Think about it.
Yourself?
The deeds of Satan
A religion?
God, through His Son Jesus Christ
Think about it once again, and answer or recognize what you Glorify.
When one defends what they believe by the doctrines and dogma's of their religion they are glorifying their religion, they have no knowledge of the truth.
You cannot glorify God of yourselves, it is not in you.
You must have someone in mind. Blanket statements like this
one are not always said in total truth.
Perhaps I should have used "we" in stead of "you"?
There are a lot of "u"'s in these groups. I can think of a few
that are not lovers of kindness or peace. I'm sure that you have
as well.
Post by Robert
A few years back Roy said I was too personal when I spoke and asked me to speak without the finger pointing linguistics. So I did for a few years until he asked why I spoke so impersonally.
Thus the lingo. :)
Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Those that worship God must, as Jesus has spoken,...
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him." John 4:23
And again,...
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." John 4:24
This is why many cannot glorify God.
Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Glorify
GLO'RIFY, v.t. [L. gloria and facio, to make.]
1. To praise; to magnify and honor in worship; to ascribe honor to, in thought or words. Psa 86:9
God is glorified, when such his excellency, above all things, is with due admiration acknowledged.
2. To make glorious; to exalt to glory, or to celestial happiness.
Whom he justified, them he also glorified. Rom 8.
The God of our fathers hath glorified his son Jesus. Acts 3.
3. To praise; to honor; to extol.
Whomsoever they find to be most licentious of life--him they set up and glorify.
4. To procure honor or praise to.
Robert
2020-08-06 02:27:31 UTC
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Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Think about it.
Yourself?
The deeds of Satan
A religion?
God, through His Son Jesus Christ
Think about it once again, and answer or recognize what you Glorify.
When one defends what they believe by the doctrines and dogma's of their religion they are glorifying their religion, they have no knowledge of the truth.
You cannot glorify God of yourselves, it is not in you.
You must have someone in mind. Blanket statements like this
one are not always said in total truth.
Perhaps I should have used "we" in stead of "you"?
There are a lot of "u"'s in these groups. I can think of a few
that are not lovers of kindness or peace. I'm sure that you have
as well.
To them I have mentioned it a few times directly.
Post by Rod
Post by Robert
A few years back Roy said I was too personal when I spoke and asked me to speak without the finger pointing linguistics. So I did for a few years until he asked why I spoke so impersonally.
Thus the lingo. :)
Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Those that worship God must, as Jesus has spoken,...
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him." John 4:23
And again,...
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." John 4:24
This is why many cannot glorify God.
Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Glorify
GLO'RIFY, v.t. [L. gloria and facio, to make.]
1. To praise; to magnify and honor in worship; to ascribe honor to, in thought or words. Psa 86:9
God is glorified, when such his excellency, above all things, is with due admiration acknowledged.
2. To make glorious; to exalt to glory, or to celestial happiness.
Whom he justified, them he also glorified. Rom 8.
The God of our fathers hath glorified his son Jesus. Acts 3.
3. To praise; to honor; to extol.
Whomsoever they find to be most licentious of life--him they set up and glorify.
4. To procure honor or praise to.
Andrew W
2020-08-06 04:35:23 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Think about it.
Yourself?
The deeds of Satan
A religion?
God, through His Son Jesus Christ
Think about it once again, and answer or recognize what you Glorify.
When one defends what they believe by the doctrines and dogma's of
their religion they are glorifying their religion, they have no
knowledge of the truth.
You cannot glorify God of yourselves, it is not in you.
You must have someone in mind. Blanket statements like this
one are not always said in total truth.
Perhaps I should have used "we" in stead of "you"?
A few years back Roy said I was too personal when I spoke and asked me to
speak without the finger pointing linguistics. So I did for a few years
until he asked why I spoke so impersonally.
Thus the lingo. :)
Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Those that worship God must, as Jesus has spoken,...
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall
worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such
to worship him." John 4:23
And again,...
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit
and in truth." John 4:24
This is why many cannot glorify God.
Why does 'God' (who no one's ever met) need tiny rebellious ant like
creatures on a spec of dust in the universe to glorify him? Is he that
insecure and egotistical?
--
http://members.optusnet.com.au/ajwerner/

The golden rule with food - if it smells strange from the fridge then throw
it in the bin. With Christianity, if it sounds strange and it's from the
Bible then you must embrace it as the word of God.

A question to all Christians: Was the Bible inspired or dictated? Because if
it was just inspired then it can't be called God's word.

http://www.rumormillnews.com -- The best alternative news site.
Robert
2020-08-06 05:38:57 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Think about it.
Yourself?
The deeds of Satan
A religion?
God, through His Son Jesus Christ
Think about it once again, and answer or recognize what you Glorify.
When one defends what they believe by the doctrines and dogma's of
their religion they are glorifying their religion, they have no
knowledge of the truth.
You cannot glorify God of yourselves, it is not in you.
You must have someone in mind. Blanket statements like this
one are not always said in total truth.
Perhaps I should have used "we" in stead of "you"?
A few years back Roy said I was too personal when I spoke and asked me to
speak without the finger pointing linguistics. So I did for a few years
until he asked why I spoke so impersonally.
Thus the lingo. :)
Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Those that worship God must, as Jesus has spoken,...
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall
worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such
to worship him." John 4:23
And again,...
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit
and in truth." John 4:24
This is why many cannot glorify God.
Why does 'God' (who no one's ever met) need tiny rebellious ant like
creatures on a spec of dust in the universe to glorify him? Is he that
insecure and egotistical?
In your eye's perhaps. But why would that bother you?
Andrew W
2020-08-06 12:14:00 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Andrew W
Post by Robert
Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Think about it.
Yourself?
The deeds of Satan
A religion?
God, through His Son Jesus Christ
Think about it once again, and answer or recognize what you Glorify.
When one defends what they believe by the doctrines and dogma's of
their religion they are glorifying their religion, they have no
knowledge of the truth.
You cannot glorify God of yourselves, it is not in you.
You must have someone in mind. Blanket statements like this
one are not always said in total truth.
Perhaps I should have used "we" in stead of "you"?
A few years back Roy said I was too personal when I spoke and asked me to
speak without the finger pointing linguistics. So I did for a few years
until he asked why I spoke so impersonally.
Thus the lingo. :)
Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Those that worship God must, as Jesus has spoken,...
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall
worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such
to worship him." John 4:23
And again,...
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit
and in truth." John 4:24
This is why many cannot glorify God.
Why does 'God' (who no one's ever met) need tiny rebellious ant like
creatures on a spec of dust in the universe to glorify him? Is he that
insecure and egotistical?
In your eye's perhaps. But why would that bother you?
Anyone who thinks for themselves will see that a God who seeks worship and
glorification for himself as a priority does not hold love for others or put
others first.
--
http://members.optusnet.com.au/ajwerner/

The golden rule with food - if it smells strange from the fridge then throw
it in the bin. With Christianity, if it sounds strange and it's from the
Bible then you must embrace it as the word of God.

A question to all Christians: Was the Bible inspired or dictated? Because if
it was just inspired then it can't be called God's word.

http://www.rumormillnews.com -- The best alternative news site.
Robert
2020-08-06 16:26:05 UTC
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Post by Andrew W
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Post by Andrew W
Post by Robert
Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Think about it.
Yourself?
The deeds of Satan
A religion?
God, through His Son Jesus Christ
Think about it once again, and answer or recognize what you Glorify.
When one defends what they believe by the doctrines and dogma's of
their religion they are glorifying their religion, they have no
knowledge of the truth.
You cannot glorify God of yourselves, it is not in you.
You must have someone in mind. Blanket statements like this
one are not always said in total truth.
Perhaps I should have used "we" in stead of "you"?
A few years back Roy said I was too personal when I spoke and asked me to
speak without the finger pointing linguistics. So I did for a few years
until he asked why I spoke so impersonally.
Thus the lingo. :)
Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Those that worship God must, as Jesus has spoken,...
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall
worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such
to worship him." John 4:23
And again,...
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit
and in truth." John 4:24
This is why many cannot glorify God.
Why does 'God' (who no one's ever met) need tiny rebellious ant like
creatures on a spec of dust in the universe to glorify him? Is he that
insecure and egotistical?
In your eye's perhaps. But why would that bother you?
Anyone who thinks for themselves will see that a God who seeks worship and
glorification for himself as a priority does not hold love for others or put
others first.
" For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. "(Joh 3:16, KJV)

" For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. "(Joh 3:17, KJV)

" He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already,because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. "(Joh 3:18, KJV)

" And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. "(Joh 3:19, KJV)

" For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. "(Joh 3:20, KJV)

" But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. "(Joh 3:21, KJV)

What have you done for the world?
d***@cox.net
2020-08-07 15:58:17 UTC
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Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Think about it.
Yourself?
The deeds of Satan
A religion?
God, through His Son Jesus Christ
Think about it once again, and answer or recognize what you Glorify.
When one defends what they believe by the doctrines and dogma's of
their religion they are glorifying their religion, they have no
knowledge of the truth.
You cannot glorify God of yourselves, it is not in you.
You must have someone in mind. Blanket statements like this
one are not always said in total truth.
Perhaps I should have used "we" in stead of "you"?
A few years back Roy said I was too personal when I spoke and asked me to
speak without the finger pointing linguistics. So I did for a few years
until he asked why I spoke so impersonally.
Thus the lingo. :)
Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Those that worship God must, as Jesus has spoken,...
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall
worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh
such
to worship him." John 4:23
And again,...
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in
spirit
and in truth." John 4:24
This is why many cannot glorify God.
Why does 'God' (who no one's ever met) need tiny rebellious ant like
creatures on a spec of dust in the universe to glorify him? Is he that
insecure and egotistical?
In your eye's perhaps. But why would that bother you?
Anyone who thinks for themselves will see that a God who seeks worship and
glorification for himself as a priority does not hold love for others or put
others first.
" For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. "(Joh 3:16, KJV)
Yet you reject Jesus as God and reject his Christian baptism.

the dukester, American-American
d***@cox.net
2020-08-07 16:04:30 UTC
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Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Think about it.
Yourself?
The deeds of Satan
A religion?
God, through His Son Jesus Christ
Think about it once again, and answer or recognize what you Glorify.
When one defends what they believe by the doctrines and dogma's of
their religion they are glorifying their religion, they have no
knowledge of the truth.
You cannot glorify God of yourselves, it is not in you.
You must have someone in mind. Blanket statements like this
one are not always said in total truth.
Perhaps I should have used "we" in stead of "you"?
A few years back Roy said I was too personal when I spoke and asked me to
speak without the finger pointing linguistics. So I did for a few years
until he asked why I spoke so impersonally.
Thus the lingo. :)
Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Those that worship God must, as Jesus has spoken,...
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall
worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh
such
to worship him." John 4:23
And again,...
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in
spirit
and in truth." John 4:24
This is why many cannot glorify God.
Why does 'God' (who no one's ever met) need tiny rebellious ant like
creatures on a spec of dust in the universe to glorify him? Is he that
insecure and egotistical?
In your eye's perhaps. But why would that bother you?
Anyone who thinks for themselves will see that a God who seeks worship and
glorification for himself as a priority does not hold love for others or put
" For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. "(Joh 3:20, KJV)
Well, you sure "hateth the light" when you reject Jesus as God and reject his
Christian baptism.

You claim "born again", but you reject Christian baptism. So which is it? If
your were baptized, how? I have a document certifying mine - what do you have?
And by what reasoning do you reject the divinity of Jesus?

Time for you to come clean for the first time in your life.
the dukester, American-American
Andrew W
2020-08-07 23:32:36 UTC
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Post by Robert
Think about it.
Yourself?
The deeds of Satan
A religion?
God, through His Son Jesus Christ
Think about it once again, and answer or recognize what you Glorify.
When one defends what they believe by the doctrines and dogma's of
their religion they are glorifying their religion, they have no
knowledge of the truth.
You cannot glorify God of yourselves, it is not in you.
You must have someone in mind. Blanket statements like this
one are not always said in total truth.
Perhaps I should have used "we" in stead of "you"?
A few years back Roy said I was too personal when I spoke and asked
me
to
speak without the finger pointing linguistics. So I did for a few years
until he asked why I spoke so impersonally.
Thus the lingo. :)
Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Those that worship God must, as Jesus has spoken,...
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall
worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father
seeketh
such
to worship him." John 4:23
And again,...
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in
spirit
and in truth." John 4:24
This is why many cannot glorify God.
Why does 'God' (who no one's ever met) need tiny rebellious ant like
creatures on a spec of dust in the universe to glorify him? Is he that
insecure and egotistical?
In your eye's perhaps. But why would that bother you?
Anyone who thinks for themselves will see that a God who seeks worship and
glorification for himself as a priority does not hold love for others or put
others first.
" For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
"(Joh 3:16, KJV)
" For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that
the world through him might be saved. "(Joh 3:17, KJV)
" He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is
condemned already,because he hath not believed in the name of the only
begotten Son of God. "(Joh 3:18, KJV)
" And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men
loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. "(Joh
3:19, KJV)
" For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the
light, lest his deeds should be reproved. "(Joh 3:20, KJV)
" But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made
manifest, that they are wrought in God. "(Joh 3:21, KJV)
Those were all clearly said by humans about 'God' (whom they never met).
This is the kind of flap that worship and devotion encourages. It is similar
to the verses where God supposedly inspires people to do his boasting for
him about how great he is. (??) This sort of thing leads people of some
religions to strap bombs to their backs. Ask yourself would a good God do
this? Would he need to?
Post by Robert
What have you done for the world?
I have helped enlighten people and helped them to think for themselves to
recognise false beliefs about 'God' plus religious dogmas and outdated
traditions that should be discarded.
--
http://members.optusnet.com.au/ajwerner/

The golden rule with food - if it smells strange from the fridge then throw
it in the bin. With Christianity, if it sounds strange and it's from the
Bible then you must embrace it as the word of God.

A question to all Christians: Was the Bible inspired or dictated? Because if
it was just inspired then it can't be called God's word.

http://www.rumormillnews.com -- The best alternative news site.
Robert
2020-08-08 03:01:49 UTC
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Think about it.
Yourself?
The deeds of Satan
A religion?
God, through His Son Jesus Christ
Think about it once again, and answer or recognize what you
Glorify.
When one defends what they believe by the doctrines and dogma's
of
their religion they are glorifying their religion, they have no
knowledge of the truth.
You cannot glorify God of yourselves, it is not in you.
You must have someone in mind. Blanket statements like this
one are not always said in total truth.
Perhaps I should have used "we" in stead of "you"?
A few years back Roy said I was too personal when I spoke and asked
me
to
speak without the finger pointing linguistics. So I did for a few years
until he asked why I spoke so impersonally.
Thus the lingo. :)
Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Those that worship God must, as Jesus has spoken,...
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers
shall
worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father
seeketh
such
to worship him." John 4:23
And again,...
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in
spirit
and in truth." John 4:24
This is why many cannot glorify God.
Why does 'God' (who no one's ever met) need tiny rebellious ant like
creatures on a spec of dust in the universe to glorify him? Is he that
insecure and egotistical?
In your eye's perhaps. But why would that bother you?
Anyone who thinks for themselves will see that a God who seeks worship and
glorification for himself as a priority does not hold love for others or put
others first.
" For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
"(Joh 3:16, KJV)
" For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that
the world through him might be saved. "(Joh 3:17, KJV)
" He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is
condemned already,because he hath not believed in the name of the only
begotten Son of God. "(Joh 3:18, KJV)
" And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men
loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. "(Joh
3:19, KJV)
" For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the
light, lest his deeds should be reproved. "(Joh 3:20, KJV)
" But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made
manifest, that they are wrought in God. "(Joh 3:21, KJV)
Those were all clearly said by humans about 'God' (whom they never met).
This is the kind of flap that worship and devotion encourages. It is similar
to the verses where God supposedly inspires people to do his boasting for
him about how great he is. (??) This sort of thing leads people of some
religions to strap bombs to their backs. Ask yourself would a good God do
this? Would he need to?
That shows the clear difference between the god of Islam and the God of the Born Again believer.

It also shows your willingness to toss out the baby with the bathwater.
Post by Andrew W
Post by Robert
What have you done for the world?
I have helped enlighten people and helped them to think for themselves to
recognise false beliefs about 'God' plus religious dogmas and outdated
traditions that should be discarded.
Obviously it is not enough for the world is getting worse along with the people you tried to help.
d***@cox.net
2020-08-06 14:26:44 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Andrew W
Post by Robert
Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Think about it.
Yourself?
The deeds of Satan
A religion?
God, through His Son Jesus Christ
Think about it once again, and answer or recognize what you Glorify.
When one defends what they believe by the doctrines and dogma's of
their religion they are glorifying their religion, they have no
knowledge of the truth.
You cannot glorify God of yourselves, it is not in you.
You must have someone in mind. Blanket statements like this
one are not always said in total truth.
Perhaps I should have used "we" in stead of "you"?
A few years back Roy said I was too personal when I spoke and asked me to
speak without the finger pointing linguistics. So I did for a few years
until he asked why I spoke so impersonally.
Thus the lingo. :)
Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Those that worship God must, as Jesus has spoken,...
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall
worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such
to worship him." John 4:23
And again,...
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit
and in truth." John 4:24
This is why many cannot glorify God.
Why does 'God' (who no one's ever met) need tiny rebellious ant like
creatures on a spec of dust in the universe to glorify him? Is he that
insecure and egotistical?
In your eye's perhaps. But why would that bother you?
Never an answer, always a question quickly answered in prayer. Clearly robert
neither know how or desires to pray.
the dukester, American-American
d***@cox.net
2020-08-06 14:24:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Think about it.
Yourself?
The deeds of Satan
A religion?
God, through His Son Jesus Christ
Think about it once again, and answer or recognize what you Glorify.
When one defends what they believe by the doctrines and dogma's of their religion they are glorifying their religion, they have no knowledge of the truth.
You cannot glorify God of yourselves, it is not in you.
You must have someone in mind. Blanket statements like this
one are not always said in total truth.
Perhaps I should have used "we" in stead of "you"?
A few years back Roy said I was too personal when I spoke and asked me to speak without the finger pointing linguistics. So I did for a few years until he asked why I spoke so impersonally.
Thus the lingo. :)
Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Those that worship God must, as Jesus has spoken,...
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him." John 4:23
And again,...
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." John 4:24
This is why many cannot glorify God.
Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.
Post by Robert
Post by Rod
Post by Robert
Glorify
GLO'RIFY, v.t. [L. gloria and facio, to make.]
1. To praise; to magnify and honor in worship; to ascribe honor to, in thought or words. Psa 86:9
God is glorified, when such his excellency, above all things, is with due admiration acknowledged.
2. To make glorious; to exalt to glory, or to celestial happiness.
Whom he justified, them he also glorified. Rom 8.
The God of our fathers hath glorified his son Jesus. Acts 3.
3. To praise; to honor; to extol.
Whomsoever they find to be most licentious of life--him they set up and glorify.
4. To procure honor or praise to.
the dukester, American-American
Michael Christ
2020-08-13 04:53:22 UTC
Permalink
Robert and Greg can suck a watermelon through a garden hose.
Isn't it amazing that Christ died even for you, that you sins can
be
forgiven and that you too can have a new life through Jesus Christ?
What sins are those? Prove anyone here ever murdered or did anything
to
offend a deity that no one's ever met.
What we do know. Fear, guilt and authoritarianism are good ways to
control
people.
Yes, that is correct, and it is not the way of God, it is the way of
evil
men, so why are you sowing fear?
What fear? And I'm not a self-centred narcissist like your Bible version
of
'God'.
You most certainly are. Look how you tout your beliefs, your good works
helping others to believe and seek your truths.
Can you save anyone from eternal destruction? Turn anyones life around as
if they were a new man?
Where am I touting doctrines/books? Where am I promoting worship? I'm
helping people to think and see the light of day and question old dogmas.
Dogmas can be pro or against. You are stating your own personal dogma as well as your doctrines. You are attempting to "save" people from their personal salvation and to do things your way. The way of the Destroyer, whether a willing accomplice or not. You attempt to be certain of what you say, but there is always the doubts. If you are wrong, and I know you are, and you were to change a person from belief to unbelief, then when you see them in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone do you assume they will be bonded to you and rejoice that you are correct? Will you laugh at their stupidity to have given up all that is good to be as you chose, or should you just take the chance and let people be what they desire to be since you have no knowledge of the future?
"Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew
out of
a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have
bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not
against
the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly,
sensual,
devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every
evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then
peaceable,
gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits,
without
partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is
sown
in peace of them that make peace."(Jas 3:13-18, KJV)
If we are made in the image of a good God then we will have lots of
wisdom,
and many people throughout history have. And a good God would be proud of
us
that we are like him.
You neglect the elephant in the room called Satan who deceived and
corrupted the entire world.
Corrupting and destroying our built in morals, mental capabilities, etc.
Yet those that have escaped the evil and chose to follow God all exhibit
the characteristics you speak of.
Who created Satan and neglected to tell everyone to beware of his lies?
God created Lucifer who then was found to have sin in him, the sin of pride, false pride.
Who neglected this world for millennia letting it go rotten?
No one. The world and all that was in it was given to men, to have dominion over all things, they chose to give it up. It was their responsibility not God's.
Who ignored people's prayers to help us defeat Satan?
No one. Satan has already been defeated. You who are unspiritual, meaning without God in your life, are that way by your choice, you refused the power to defeat Satans actions and temptations in your life.
If humans had built in morals then Adam and Eve wouldn't have obeyed Satan
like a pair of zombies.
They did not act like zombies, who are you trying to kid? Eve was deceived by the words of Satan, and fell gullible to the words like you present about anti-God. Adam did what he did by choice, he willingly sinned.
You haven't thought out any of this properly at all.
Perhaps by your non-spiritual thinking, but I have had RL experiences with God, and interact with God by His Holy Spirit in my life. I know of His realities, and have much more to see and know. I have a life without limits and the more I walk with Him the more I have cause to Praise Him. And Praise him I do.
But if we don't then he just made a bunch of zombies that can do nothing
of
value in themselves. Did God just make a bunch of zombies and lemmings
who
can only sin and need to be controlled, monitored, demeaned and
threatened
all their lives? Such silliness Christians believe.
Satan is the one who turned you into your zombie world. He implants an idea
into your head and you follow it, even enhancing if as a newly discovered
truths and a way out of carnal knowledge.
I'm not the unthinking zombie. I'm moral and spiritual without being
threatened to follow a callous blood desiring god figure from a book.
You are dead to God spiritually and alive to Satan by your choice. And that life is death forever, IOW's total separation from God and everything that is kind and good. Your vain imaginations of who God is, is false and without foundation, you made an unwise choice and were deceived because you did not do the research regarding all this by yourself. You were gullible, took the words of others and believed them.
As have you. Stop pointing fingers and start trying to understand.
I do understand as I came from a life of sin unto Jesus Christ the Lord. I am and did not fingerprint, I described his current spiritual state and I speak with understanding
You were given a religious view, and listened to the thoughts going on
in your head, never once taking the time to thoroughly review what is
written and ask the author of the Bible what it all means.
Yes, I was given a viewpoint, and as I have told everyone here several times, I sought God about when I was about 13 years old. He answered me then but foolishly postponed my decision to live for him. He reminded me of it over the years and the experience is and was burned into my mind and understanding. Sadly it wasn't until I was around 32 or so that I was in a desperate situation and then it was that I cried out for his deliverance and help. Again, he answered my cry, prayer, or whatever you wish to call it. At that point he changed me from the inside out. It was obvious to my friends and associates in the days that followed and I have not looked back. And I still grow in the Lord. I ask for his understandings as well as his help always.
Who is the author of the Bible? Men, that's who.
Then you might as well do as Michael Mclean did and throw away your bible. It will be of no use to you if that is your final determination.
Scripture says,...
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." (2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
:-).

This is the Robert translation...

(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
'All scripture is given to me (Robert) to interpret as I see fit and is
profitable for my personal religious beliefs, for correcting those who
are at odds with my doctrine, for reproving those who flout my
understanding and for instructing others in my righteousness. That I
may be revered, and those who drink my religion are thoroughly furnished
unto all my ways.'

Amen.

Here is the truth, you can't walk in the Spirit of Truth so you have to
rely on your intellect.

Not enough, Buddy.

Look at the word 'That' in your quote. You do this so that 'that' can
happen. You still need to be indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness because you still walk in your sin.

It is crystal clear, no excuses.

You can't put your bible down because you are not cleansed of all
unrighteousness and are unable to walk in the earth and the fullness
thereof in the Spirit with the Lord. You need power from above, Buddy.

Not my fault.






Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
Robert
2020-08-13 06:29:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Michael Christ
Robert and Greg can suck a watermelon through a garden hose.
Isn't it amazing that Christ died even for you, that you sins can
be
forgiven and that you too can have a new life through Jesus Christ?
What sins are those? Prove anyone here ever murdered or did anything
to
offend a deity that no one's ever met.
What we do know. Fear, guilt and authoritarianism are good ways to
control
people.
Yes, that is correct, and it is not the way of God, it is the way of
evil
men, so why are you sowing fear?
What fear? And I'm not a self-centred narcissist like your Bible version
of
'God'.
You most certainly are. Look how you tout your beliefs, your good works
helping others to believe and seek your truths.
Can you save anyone from eternal destruction? Turn anyones life around as
if they were a new man?
Where am I touting doctrines/books? Where am I promoting worship? I'm
helping people to think and see the light of day and question old dogmas.
Dogmas can be pro or against. You are stating your own personal dogma as well as your doctrines. You are attempting to "save" people from their personal salvation and to do things your way. The way of the Destroyer, whether a willing accomplice or not. You attempt to be certain of what you say, but there is always the doubts. If you are wrong, and I know you are, and you were to change a person from belief to unbelief, then when you see them in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone do you assume they will be bonded to you and rejoice that you are correct? Will you laugh at their stupidity to have given up all that is good to be as you chose, or should you just take the chance and let people be what they desire to be since you have no knowledge of the future?
"Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew
out of
a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have
bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not
against
the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly,
sensual,
devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every
evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then
peaceable,
gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits,
without
partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is
sown
in peace of them that make peace."(Jas 3:13-18, KJV)
If we are made in the image of a good God then we will have lots of
wisdom,
and many people throughout history have. And a good God would be proud of
us
that we are like him.
You neglect the elephant in the room called Satan who deceived and
corrupted the entire world.
Corrupting and destroying our built in morals, mental capabilities, etc.
Yet those that have escaped the evil and chose to follow God all exhibit
the characteristics you speak of.
Who created Satan and neglected to tell everyone to beware of his lies?
God created Lucifer who then was found to have sin in him, the sin of pride, false pride.
Who neglected this world for millennia letting it go rotten?
No one. The world and all that was in it was given to men, to have dominion over all things, they chose to give it up. It was their responsibility not God's.
Who ignored people's prayers to help us defeat Satan?
No one. Satan has already been defeated. You who are unspiritual, meaning without God in your life, are that way by your choice, you refused the power to defeat Satans actions and temptations in your life.
If humans had built in morals then Adam and Eve wouldn't have obeyed Satan
like a pair of zombies.
They did not act like zombies, who are you trying to kid? Eve was deceived by the words of Satan, and fell gullible to the words like you present about anti-God. Adam did what he did by choice, he willingly sinned.
You haven't thought out any of this properly at all.
Perhaps by your non-spiritual thinking, but I have had RL experiences with God, and interact with God by His Holy Spirit in my life. I know of His realities, and have much more to see and know. I have a life without limits and the more I walk with Him the more I have cause to Praise Him. And Praise him I do.
But if we don't then he just made a bunch of zombies that can do nothing
of
value in themselves. Did God just make a bunch of zombies and lemmings
who
can only sin and need to be controlled, monitored, demeaned and
threatened
all their lives? Such silliness Christians believe.
Satan is the one who turned you into your zombie world. He implants an idea
into your head and you follow it, even enhancing if as a newly discovered
truths and a way out of carnal knowledge.
I'm not the unthinking zombie. I'm moral and spiritual without being
threatened to follow a callous blood desiring god figure from a book.
You are dead to God spiritually and alive to Satan by your choice. And that life is death forever, IOW's total separation from God and everything that is kind and good. Your vain imaginations of who God is, is false and without foundation, you made an unwise choice and were deceived because you did not do the research regarding all this by yourself. You were gullible, took the words of others and believed them.
As have you. Stop pointing fingers and start trying to understand.
I do understand as I came from a life of sin unto Jesus Christ the Lord. I am and did not fingerprint, I described his current spiritual state and I speak with understanding
You were given a religious view, and listened to the thoughts going on
in your head, never once taking the time to thoroughly review what is
written and ask the author of the Bible what it all means.
Yes, I was given a viewpoint, and as I have told everyone here several times, I sought God about when I was about 13 years old. He answered me then but foolishly postponed my decision to live for him. He reminded me of it over the years and the experience is and was burned into my mind and understanding. Sadly it wasn't until I was around 32 or so that I was in a desperate situation and then it was that I cried out for his deliverance and help. Again, he answered my cry, prayer, or whatever you wish to call it. At that point he changed me from the inside out. It was obvious to my friends and associates in the days that followed and I have not looked back. And I still grow in the Lord. I ask for his understandings as well as his help always.
Who is the author of the Bible? Men, that's who.
Then you might as well do as Michael Mclean did and throw away your bible. It will be of no use to you if that is your final determination.
Scripture says,...
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." (2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
-).
This is the Robert translation...
(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
'All scripture is given to me (Robert) to interpret as I see fit and is
profitable for my personal religious beliefs, for correcting those who
are at odds with my doctrine, for reproving those who flout my
understanding and for instructing others in my righteousness. That I
may be revered, and those who drink my religion are thoroughly furnished
unto all my ways.'
Amen.
Here is the truth, you can't walk in the Spirit of Truth so you have to
rely on your intellect.
Not enough, Buddy.
Look at the word 'That' in your quote. You do this so that 'that' can
happen. You still need to be indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness because you still walk in your sin.
It is crystal clear, no excuses.
You can't put your bible down because you are not cleansed of all
unrighteousness and are unable to walk in the earth and the fullness
thereof in the Spirit with the Lord. You need power from above, Buddy.
Not my fault.
Michael Christ
I did not say anything was your fault, in this post or thread. Never inferred it either.

As to my walk with the Lord and in the spirit you have no knowledge to support your statements.

There is a move of God on the way of fulfilling what has already started. Jesus will reveal himself through his people and the gates of hell cannot contain the actions of His people.

All the trivial denominational and religious talk here on the Usenet will pale behind the revelations of the Lord, you can either be a part of it or be left by the wayside.

The same for all of us.
Michael Christ
2020-08-13 08:19:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
Robert and Greg can suck a watermelon through a garden hose.
Isn't it amazing that Christ died even for you, that you sins can
be
forgiven and that you too can have a new life through Jesus Christ?
What sins are those? Prove anyone here ever murdered or did anything
to
offend a deity that no one's ever met.
What we do know. Fear, guilt and authoritarianism are good ways to
control
people.
Yes, that is correct, and it is not the way of God, it is the way of
evil
men, so why are you sowing fear?
What fear? And I'm not a self-centred narcissist like your Bible version
of
'God'.
You most certainly are. Look how you tout your beliefs, your good works
helping others to believe and seek your truths.
Can you save anyone from eternal destruction? Turn anyones life around as
if they were a new man?
Where am I touting doctrines/books? Where am I promoting worship? I'm
helping people to think and see the light of day and question old dogmas.
Dogmas can be pro or against. You are stating your own personal dogma as well as your doctrines. You are attempting to "save" people from their personal salvation and to do things your way. The way of the Destroyer, whether a willing accomplice or not. You attempt to be certain of what you say, but there is always the doubts. If you are wrong, and I know you are, and you were to change a person from belief to unbelief, then when you see them in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone do you assume they will be bonded to you and rejoice that you are correct? Will you laugh at their stupidity to have given up all that is good to be as you chose, or should you just take the chance and let people be what they desire to be since you have no knowledge of the future?
"Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew
out of
a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have
bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not
against
the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly,
sensual,
devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every
evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then
peaceable,
gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits,
without
partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is
sown
in peace of them that make peace."(Jas 3:13-18, KJV)
If we are made in the image of a good God then we will have lots of
wisdom,
and many people throughout history have. And a good God would be proud of
us
that we are like him.
You neglect the elephant in the room called Satan who deceived and
corrupted the entire world.
Corrupting and destroying our built in morals, mental capabilities, etc.
Yet those that have escaped the evil and chose to follow God all exhibit
the characteristics you speak of.
Who created Satan and neglected to tell everyone to beware of his lies?
God created Lucifer who then was found to have sin in him, the sin of pride, false pride.
Who neglected this world for millennia letting it go rotten?
No one. The world and all that was in it was given to men, to have dominion over all things, they chose to give it up. It was their responsibility not God's.
Who ignored people's prayers to help us defeat Satan?
No one. Satan has already been defeated. You who are unspiritual, meaning without God in your life, are that way by your choice, you refused the power to defeat Satans actions and temptations in your life.
If humans had built in morals then Adam and Eve wouldn't have obeyed Satan
like a pair of zombies.
They did not act like zombies, who are you trying to kid? Eve was deceived by the words of Satan, and fell gullible to the words like you present about anti-God. Adam did what he did by choice, he willingly sinned.
You haven't thought out any of this properly at all.
Perhaps by your non-spiritual thinking, but I have had RL experiences with God, and interact with God by His Holy Spirit in my life. I know of His realities, and have much more to see and know. I have a life without limits and the more I walk with Him the more I have cause to Praise Him. And Praise him I do.
But if we don't then he just made a bunch of zombies that can do nothing
of
value in themselves. Did God just make a bunch of zombies and lemmings
who
can only sin and need to be controlled, monitored, demeaned and
threatened
all their lives? Such silliness Christians believe.
Satan is the one who turned you into your zombie world. He implants an idea
into your head and you follow it, even enhancing if as a newly discovered
truths and a way out of carnal knowledge.
I'm not the unthinking zombie. I'm moral and spiritual without being
threatened to follow a callous blood desiring god figure from a book.
You are dead to God spiritually and alive to Satan by your choice. And that life is death forever, IOW's total separation from God and everything that is kind and good. Your vain imaginations of who God is, is false and without foundation, you made an unwise choice and were deceived because you did not do the research regarding all this by yourself. You were gullible, took the words of others and believed them.
As have you. Stop pointing fingers and start trying to understand.
I do understand as I came from a life of sin unto Jesus Christ the Lord. I am and did not fingerprint, I described his current spiritual state and I speak with understanding
You were given a religious view, and listened to the thoughts going on
in your head, never once taking the time to thoroughly review what is
written and ask the author of the Bible what it all means.
Yes, I was given a viewpoint, and as I have told everyone here several times, I sought God about when I was about 13 years old. He answered me then but foolishly postponed my decision to live for him. He reminded me of it over the years and the experience is and was burned into my mind and understanding. Sadly it wasn't until I was around 32 or so that I was in a desperate situation and then it was that I cried out for his deliverance and help. Again, he answered my cry, prayer, or whatever you wish to call it. At that point he changed me from the inside out. It was obvious to my friends and associates in the days that followed and I have not looked back. And I still grow in the Lord. I ask for his understandings as well as his help always.
Who is the author of the Bible? Men, that's who.
Then you might as well do as Michael Mclean did and throw away your bible. It will be of no use to you if that is your final determination.
Scripture says,...
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." (2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
-).
This is the Robert translation...
(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
'All scripture is given to me (Robert) to interpret as I see fit and is
profitable for my personal religious beliefs, for correcting those who
are at odds with my doctrine, for reproving those who flout my
understanding and for instructing others in my righteousness. That I
may be revered, and those who drink my religion are thoroughly furnished
unto all my ways.'
Amen.
Here is the truth, you can't walk in the Spirit of Truth so you have to
rely on your intellect.
Not enough, Buddy.
Look at the word 'That' in your quote. You do this so that 'that' can
happen. You still need to be indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness because you still walk in your sin.
It is crystal clear, no excuses.
You can't put your bible down because you are not cleansed of all
unrighteousness and are unable to walk in the earth and the fullness
thereof in the Spirit with the Lord. You need power from above, Buddy.
Not my fault.
Michael Christ
I did not say anything was your fault, in this post or thread. Never inferred it either.
It is your own fault, that is why. You are still stuck in your
man-centred theology, Buddy.
Post by Robert
As to my walk with the Lord and in the spirit you have no knowledge to support your statements.
There is a move of God on the way of fulfilling what has already started. Jesus will reveal himself through his people and the gates of hell cannot contain the actions of His people.
All the trivial denominational and religious talk here on the Usenet will pale behind the revelations of the Lord, you can either be a part of it or be left by the wayside.
The same for all of us
As per your bible quote mandate imposes on you...

When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Until then keep your self-righteous religious un-thoroughly furnished
dogma-jargon abuse to yourself. Thanks.

When are you ever going to learn, Robert, that man was not made for the
bible, man was made for a relationship with the Lord...without ink???!!!

Is God not able????????????????????????????????????





Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
Robert
2020-08-13 17:25:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
Robert and Greg can suck a watermelon through a garden hose.
Isn't it amazing that Christ died even for you, that you sins can
be
forgiven and that you too can have a new life through Jesus Christ?
What sins are those? Prove anyone here ever murdered or did anything
to
offend a deity that no one's ever met.
What we do know. Fear, guilt and authoritarianism are good ways to
control
people.
Yes, that is correct, and it is not the way of God, it is the way of
evil
men, so why are you sowing fear?
What fear? And I'm not a self-centred narcissist like your Bible version
of
'God'.
You most certainly are. Look how you tout your beliefs, your good works
helping others to believe and seek your truths.
Can you save anyone from eternal destruction? Turn anyones life around as
if they were a new man?
Where am I touting doctrines/books? Where am I promoting worship? I'm
helping people to think and see the light of day and question old dogmas.
Dogmas can be pro or against. You are stating your own personal dogma as well as your doctrines. You are attempting to "save" people from their personal salvation and to do things your way. The way of the Destroyer, whether a willing accomplice or not. You attempt to be certain of what you say, but there is always the doubts. If you are wrong, and I know you are, and you were to change a person from belief to unbelief, then when you see them in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone do you assume they will be bonded to you and rejoice that you are correct? Will you laugh at their stupidity to have given up all that is good to be as you chose, or should you just take the chance and let people be what they desire to be since you have no knowledge of the future?
"Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew
out of
a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have
bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not
against
the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly,
sensual,
devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every
evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then
peaceable,
gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits,
without
partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is
sown
in peace of them that make peace."(Jas 3:13-18, KJV)
If we are made in the image of a good God then we will have lots of
wisdom,
and many people throughout history have. And a good God would be proud of
us
that we are like him.
You neglect the elephant in the room called Satan who deceived and
corrupted the entire world.
Corrupting and destroying our built in morals, mental capabilities, etc.
Yet those that have escaped the evil and chose to follow God all exhibit
the characteristics you speak of.
Who created Satan and neglected to tell everyone to beware of his lies?
God created Lucifer who then was found to have sin in him, the sin of pride, false pride.
Who neglected this world for millennia letting it go rotten?
No one. The world and all that was in it was given to men, to have dominion over all things, they chose to give it up. It was their responsibility not God's.
Who ignored people's prayers to help us defeat Satan?
No one. Satan has already been defeated. You who are unspiritual, meaning without God in your life, are that way by your choice, you refused the power to defeat Satans actions and temptations in your life.
If humans had built in morals then Adam and Eve wouldn't have obeyed Satan
like a pair of zombies.
They did not act like zombies, who are you trying to kid? Eve was deceived by the words of Satan, and fell gullible to the words like you present about anti-God. Adam did what he did by choice, he willingly sinned.
You haven't thought out any of this properly at all.
Perhaps by your non-spiritual thinking, but I have had RL experiences with God, and interact with God by His Holy Spirit in my life. I know of His realities, and have much more to see and know. I have a life without limits and the more I walk with Him the more I have cause to Praise Him. And Praise him I do.
But if we don't then he just made a bunch of zombies that can do nothing
of
value in themselves. Did God just make a bunch of zombies and lemmings
who
can only sin and need to be controlled, monitored, demeaned and
threatened
all their lives? Such silliness Christians believe.
Satan is the one who turned you into your zombie world. He implants an idea
into your head and you follow it, even enhancing if as a newly discovered
truths and a way out of carnal knowledge.
I'm not the unthinking zombie. I'm moral and spiritual without being
threatened to follow a callous blood desiring god figure from a book.
You are dead to God spiritually and alive to Satan by your choice. And that life is death forever, IOW's total separation from God and everything that is kind and good. Your vain imaginations of who God is, is false and without foundation, you made an unwise choice and were deceived because you did not do the research regarding all this by yourself. You were gullible, took the words of others and believed them.
As have you. Stop pointing fingers and start trying to understand.
I do understand as I came from a life of sin unto Jesus Christ the Lord. I am and did not fingerprint, I described his current spiritual state and I speak with understanding
You were given a religious view, and listened to the thoughts going on
in your head, never once taking the time to thoroughly review what is
written and ask the author of the Bible what it all means.
Yes, I was given a viewpoint, and as I have told everyone here several times, I sought God about when I was about 13 years old. He answered me then but foolishly postponed my decision to live for him. He reminded me of it over the years and the experience is and was burned into my mind and understanding. Sadly it wasn't until I was around 32 or so that I was in a desperate situation and then it was that I cried out for his deliverance and help. Again, he answered my cry, prayer, or whatever you wish to call it. At that point he changed me from the inside out. It was obvious to my friends and associates in the days that followed and I have not looked back. And I still grow in the Lord. I ask for his understandings as well as his help always.
Who is the author of the Bible? Men, that's who.
Then you might as well do as Michael Mclean did and throw away your bible. It will be of no use to you if that is your final determination.
Scripture says,...
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." (2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
-).
This is the Robert translation...
(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
'All scripture is given to me (Robert) to interpret as I see fit and is
profitable for my personal religious beliefs, for correcting those who
are at odds with my doctrine, for reproving those who flout my
understanding and for instructing others in my righteousness. That I
may be revered, and those who drink my religion are thoroughly furnished
unto all my ways.'
Amen.
Here is the truth, you can't walk in the Spirit of Truth so you have to
rely on your intellect.
Not enough, Buddy.
Look at the word 'That' in your quote. You do this so that 'that' can
happen. You still need to be indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness because you still walk in your sin.
It is crystal clear, no excuses.
You can't put your bible down because you are not cleansed of all
unrighteousness and are unable to walk in the earth and the fullness
thereof in the Spirit with the Lord. You need power from above, Buddy.
Not my fault.
Michael Christ
I did not say anything was your fault, in this post or thread. Never inferred it either.
It is your own fault, that is why. You are still stuck in your
man-centred theology, Buddy.
Post by Robert
As to my walk with the Lord and in the spirit you have no knowledge to support your statements.
There is a move of God on the way of fulfilling what has already started. Jesus will reveal himself through his people and the gates of hell cannot contain the actions of His people.
All the trivial denominational and religious talk here on the Usenet will pale behind the revelations of the Lord, you can either be a part of it or be left by the wayside.
The same for all of us
As per your bible quote mandate imposes on you...
When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Until then keep your self-righteous religious un-thoroughly furnished
dogma-jargon abuse to yourself. Thanks.
When are you ever going to learn, Robert, that man was not made for the
bible, man was made for a relationship with the Lord...without ink???!!!
Is God not able????????????????????????????????????
Michael Christ
You are the same false prophet you always were.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)

"Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;"(2Ti 2:14-17, KJV)

In your case it is your refusal to share the word of God, Scripture, and tell them they have no need to know these things and as a result will have nothing to test and try the spirits such as you who would seek to deny scripture.

I was hoping you would come back a better man.
Michael Christ
2020-08-13 21:37:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
Robert and Greg can suck a watermelon through a garden hose.
Isn't it amazing that Christ died even for you, that you sins can
be
forgiven and that you too can have a new life through Jesus Christ?
What sins are those? Prove anyone here ever murdered or did anything
to
offend a deity that no one's ever met.
What we do know. Fear, guilt and authoritarianism are good ways to
control
people.
Yes, that is correct, and it is not the way of God, it is the way of
evil
men, so why are you sowing fear?
What fear? And I'm not a self-centred narcissist like your Bible version
of
'God'.
You most certainly are. Look how you tout your beliefs, your good works
helping others to believe and seek your truths.
Can you save anyone from eternal destruction? Turn anyones life around as
if they were a new man?
Where am I touting doctrines/books? Where am I promoting worship? I'm
helping people to think and see the light of day and question old dogmas.
Dogmas can be pro or against. You are stating your own personal dogma as well as your doctrines. You are attempting to "save" people from their personal salvation and to do things your way. The way of the Destroyer, whether a willing accomplice or not. You attempt to be certain of what you say, but there is always the doubts. If you are wrong, and I know you are, and you were to change a person from belief to unbelief, then when you see them in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone do you assume they will be bonded to you and rejoice that you are correct? Will you laugh at their stupidity to have given up all that is good to be as you chose, or should you just take the chance and let people be what they desire to be since you have no knowledge of the future?
"Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew
out of
a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have
bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not
against
the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly,
sensual,
devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every
evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then
peaceable,
gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits,
without
partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is
sown
in peace of them that make peace."(Jas 3:13-18, KJV)
If we are made in the image of a good God then we will have lots of
wisdom,
and many people throughout history have. And a good God would be proud of
us
that we are like him.
You neglect the elephant in the room called Satan who deceived and
corrupted the entire world.
Corrupting and destroying our built in morals, mental capabilities, etc.
Yet those that have escaped the evil and chose to follow God all exhibit
the characteristics you speak of.
Who created Satan and neglected to tell everyone to beware of his lies?
God created Lucifer who then was found to have sin in him, the sin of pride, false pride.
Who neglected this world for millennia letting it go rotten?
No one. The world and all that was in it was given to men, to have dominion over all things, they chose to give it up. It was their responsibility not God's.
Who ignored people's prayers to help us defeat Satan?
No one. Satan has already been defeated. You who are unspiritual, meaning without God in your life, are that way by your choice, you refused the power to defeat Satans actions and temptations in your life.
If humans had built in morals then Adam and Eve wouldn't have obeyed Satan
like a pair of zombies.
They did not act like zombies, who are you trying to kid? Eve was deceived by the words of Satan, and fell gullible to the words like you present about anti-God. Adam did what he did by choice, he willingly sinned.
You haven't thought out any of this properly at all.
Perhaps by your non-spiritual thinking, but I have had RL experiences with God, and interact with God by His Holy Spirit in my life. I know of His realities, and have much more to see and know. I have a life without limits and the more I walk with Him the more I have cause to Praise Him. And Praise him I do.
But if we don't then he just made a bunch of zombies that can do nothing
of
value in themselves. Did God just make a bunch of zombies and lemmings
who
can only sin and need to be controlled, monitored, demeaned and
threatened
all their lives? Such silliness Christians believe.
Satan is the one who turned you into your zombie world. He implants an idea
into your head and you follow it, even enhancing if as a newly discovered
truths and a way out of carnal knowledge.
I'm not the unthinking zombie. I'm moral and spiritual without being
threatened to follow a callous blood desiring god figure from a book.
You are dead to God spiritually and alive to Satan by your choice. And that life is death forever, IOW's total separation from God and everything that is kind and good. Your vain imaginations of who God is, is false and without foundation, you made an unwise choice and were deceived because you did not do the research regarding all this by yourself. You were gullible, took the words of others and believed them.
As have you. Stop pointing fingers and start trying to understand.
I do understand as I came from a life of sin unto Jesus Christ the Lord. I am and did not fingerprint, I described his current spiritual state and I speak with understanding
You were given a religious view, and listened to the thoughts going on
in your head, never once taking the time to thoroughly review what is
written and ask the author of the Bible what it all means.
Yes, I was given a viewpoint, and as I have told everyone here several times, I sought God about when I was about 13 years old. He answered me then but foolishly postponed my decision to live for him. He reminded me of it over the years and the experience is and was burned into my mind and understanding. Sadly it wasn't until I was around 32 or so that I was in a desperate situation and then it was that I cried out for his deliverance and help. Again, he answered my cry, prayer, or whatever you wish to call it. At that point he changed me from the inside out. It was obvious to my friends and associates in the days that followed and I have not looked back. And I still grow in the Lord. I ask for his understandings as well as his help always.
Who is the author of the Bible? Men, that's who.
Then you might as well do as Michael Mclean did and throw away your bible. It will be of no use to you if that is your final determination.
Scripture says,...
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." (2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
-).
This is the Robert translation...
(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
'All scripture is given to me (Robert) to interpret as I see fit and is
profitable for my personal religious beliefs, for correcting those who
are at odds with my doctrine, for reproving those who flout my
understanding and for instructing others in my righteousness. That I
may be revered, and those who drink my religion are thoroughly furnished
unto all my ways.'
Amen.
Here is the truth, you can't walk in the Spirit of Truth so you have to
rely on your intellect.
Not enough, Buddy.
Look at the word 'That' in your quote. You do this so that 'that' can
happen. You still need to be indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness because you still walk in your sin.
It is crystal clear, no excuses.
You can't put your bible down because you are not cleansed of all
unrighteousness and are unable to walk in the earth and the fullness
thereof in the Spirit with the Lord. You need power from above, Buddy.
Not my fault.
Michael Christ
I did not say anything was your fault, in this post or thread. Never inferred it either.
It is your own fault, that is why. You are still stuck in your
man-centred theology, Buddy.
Post by Robert
As to my walk with the Lord and in the spirit you have no knowledge to support your statements.
There is a move of God on the way of fulfilling what has already started. Jesus will reveal himself through his people and the gates of hell cannot contain the actions of His people.
All the trivial denominational and religious talk here on the Usenet will pale behind the revelations of the Lord, you can either be a part of it or be left by the wayside.
The same for all of us
As per your bible quote mandate imposes on you...
When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Until then keep your self-righteous religious un-thoroughly furnished
dogma-jargon abuse to yourself. Thanks.
When are you ever going to learn, Robert, that man was not made for the
bible, man was made for a relationship with the Lord...without ink???!!!
Is God not able????????????????????????????????????
Michael Christ
You are the same false prophet you always were.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
"Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;"(2Ti 2:14-17, KJV)
In your case it is your refusal to share the word of God, Scripture, and tell them they have no need to know these things and as a result will have nothing to test and try the spirits such as you who would seek to deny scripture.
I was hoping you would come back a better man.
You mean like you?? :-)))).

Like you were told...follow your bible directive...hypocrite...

"When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works."

Otherwise, take your self-righteousness religion and shove it up your arse.

Thank you.



Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
Robert
2020-08-14 01:52:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
Robert and Greg can suck a watermelon through a garden hose.
Isn't it amazing that Christ died even for you, that you sins can
be
forgiven and that you too can have a new life through Jesus Christ?
What sins are those? Prove anyone here ever murdered or did anything
to
offend a deity that no one's ever met.
What we do know. Fear, guilt and authoritarianism are good ways to
control
people.
Yes, that is correct, and it is not the way of God, it is the way of
evil
men, so why are you sowing fear?
What fear? And I'm not a self-centred narcissist like your Bible version
of
'God'.
You most certainly are. Look how you tout your beliefs, your good works
helping others to believe and seek your truths.
Can you save anyone from eternal destruction? Turn anyones life around as
if they were a new man?
Where am I touting doctrines/books? Where am I promoting worship? I'm
helping people to think and see the light of day and question old dogmas.
Dogmas can be pro or against. You are stating your own personal dogma as well as your doctrines. You are attempting to "save" people from their personal salvation and to do things your way. The way of the Destroyer, whether a willing accomplice or not. You attempt to be certain of what you say, but there is always the doubts. If you are wrong, and I know you are, and you were to change a person from belief to unbelief, then when you see them in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone do you assume they will be bonded to you and rejoice that you are correct? Will you laugh at their stupidity to have given up all that is good to be as you chose, or should you just take the chance and let people be what they desire to be since you have no knowledge of the future?
"Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew
out of
a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have
bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not
against
the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly,
sensual,
devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every
evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then
peaceable,
gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits,
without
partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is
sown
in peace of them that make peace."(Jas 3:13-18, KJV)
If we are made in the image of a good God then we will have lots of
wisdom,
and many people throughout history have. And a good God would be proud of
us
that we are like him.
You neglect the elephant in the room called Satan who deceived and
corrupted the entire world.
Corrupting and destroying our built in morals, mental capabilities, etc.
Yet those that have escaped the evil and chose to follow God all exhibit
the characteristics you speak of.
Who created Satan and neglected to tell everyone to beware of his lies?
God created Lucifer who then was found to have sin in him, the sin of pride, false pride.
Who neglected this world for millennia letting it go rotten?
No one. The world and all that was in it was given to men, to have dominion over all things, they chose to give it up. It was their responsibility not God's.
Who ignored people's prayers to help us defeat Satan?
No one. Satan has already been defeated. You who are unspiritual, meaning without God in your life, are that way by your choice, you refused the power to defeat Satans actions and temptations in your life.
If humans had built in morals then Adam and Eve wouldn't have obeyed Satan
like a pair of zombies.
They did not act like zombies, who are you trying to kid? Eve was deceived by the words of Satan, and fell gullible to the words like you present about anti-God. Adam did what he did by choice, he willingly sinned.
You haven't thought out any of this properly at all.
Perhaps by your non-spiritual thinking, but I have had RL experiences with God, and interact with God by His Holy Spirit in my life. I know of His realities, and have much more to see and know. I have a life without limits and the more I walk with Him the more I have cause to Praise Him. And Praise him I do.
But if we don't then he just made a bunch of zombies that can do nothing
of
value in themselves. Did God just make a bunch of zombies and lemmings
who
can only sin and need to be controlled, monitored, demeaned and
threatened
all their lives? Such silliness Christians believe.
Satan is the one who turned you into your zombie world. He implants an idea
into your head and you follow it, even enhancing if as a newly discovered
truths and a way out of carnal knowledge.
I'm not the unthinking zombie. I'm moral and spiritual without being
threatened to follow a callous blood desiring god figure from a book.
You are dead to God spiritually and alive to Satan by your choice. And that life is death forever, IOW's total separation from God and everything that is kind and good. Your vain imaginations of who God is, is false and without foundation, you made an unwise choice and were deceived because you did not do the research regarding all this by yourself. You were gullible, took the words of others and believed them.
As have you. Stop pointing fingers and start trying to understand.
I do understand as I came from a life of sin unto Jesus Christ the Lord. I am and did not fingerprint, I described his current spiritual state and I speak with understanding
You were given a religious view, and listened to the thoughts going on
in your head, never once taking the time to thoroughly review what is
written and ask the author of the Bible what it all means.
Yes, I was given a viewpoint, and as I have told everyone here several times, I sought God about when I was about 13 years old. He answered me then but foolishly postponed my decision to live for him. He reminded me of it over the years and the experience is and was burned into my mind and understanding. Sadly it wasn't until I was around 32 or so that I was in a desperate situation and then it was that I cried out for his deliverance and help. Again, he answered my cry, prayer, or whatever you wish to call it. At that point he changed me from the inside out. It was obvious to my friends and associates in the days that followed and I have not looked back. And I still grow in the Lord. I ask for his understandings as well as his help always.
Who is the author of the Bible? Men, that's who.
Then you might as well do as Michael Mclean did and throw away your bible. It will be of no use to you if that is your final determination.
Scripture says,...
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." (2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
-).
This is the Robert translation...
(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
'All scripture is given to me (Robert) to interpret as I see fit and is
profitable for my personal religious beliefs, for correcting those who
are at odds with my doctrine, for reproving those who flout my
understanding and for instructing others in my righteousness. That I
may be revered, and those who drink my religion are thoroughly furnished
unto all my ways.'
Amen.
Here is the truth, you can't walk in the Spirit of Truth so you have to
rely on your intellect.
Not enough, Buddy.
Look at the word 'That' in your quote. You do this so that 'that' can
happen. You still need to be indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness because you still walk in your sin.
It is crystal clear, no excuses.
You can't put your bible down because you are not cleansed of all
unrighteousness and are unable to walk in the earth and the fullness
thereof in the Spirit with the Lord. You need power from above, Buddy.
Not my fault.
Michael Christ
I did not say anything was your fault, in this post or thread. Never inferred it either.
It is your own fault, that is why. You are still stuck in your
man-centred theology, Buddy.
Post by Robert
As to my walk with the Lord and in the spirit you have no knowledge to support your statements.
There is a move of God on the way of fulfilling what has already started. Jesus will reveal himself through his people and the gates of hell cannot contain the actions of His people.
All the trivial denominational and religious talk here on the Usenet will pale behind the revelations of the Lord, you can either be a part of it or be left by the wayside.
The same for all of us
As per your bible quote mandate imposes on you...
When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Until then keep your self-righteous religious un-thoroughly furnished
dogma-jargon abuse to yourself. Thanks.
When are you ever going to learn, Robert, that man was not made for the
bible, man was made for a relationship with the Lord...without ink???!!!
Is God not able????????????????????????????????????
Michael Christ
You are the same false prophet you always were.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
"Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;"(2Ti 2:14-17, KJV)
In your case it is your refusal to share the word of God, Scripture, and tell them they have no need to know these things and as a result will have nothing to test and try the spirits such as you who would seek to deny scripture.
I was hoping you would come back a better man.
You mean like you?? :-)))).
Like you were told...follow your bible directive...hypocrite...
"When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
Otherwise, take your self-righteousness religion and shove it up your arse.
Thank you.
Michael Christ
My righteousness is of God Almighty, not of myself. So I cannot boast about it.

"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."(2Co 5:17, KJV)

"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;"(2Co 5:18, KJV)

"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."(2Co 5:19, KJV)

"Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God."(2Co 5:20, KJV)

"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."(2Co 5:21, KJV)

The Christ here that is spoken of is not you.
Michael Christ
2020-08-14 06:01:06 UTC
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Loose the stinking hypocrisy bible quoting man made christianity...

"When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works."

Call me.



Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
Michael Christ
2020-08-14 08:54:06 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
Robert and Greg can suck a watermelon through a garden hose.
Isn't it amazing that Christ died even for you, that you sins can
be
forgiven and that you too can have a new life through Jesus Christ?
What sins are those? Prove anyone here ever murdered or did anything
to
offend a deity that no one's ever met.
What we do know. Fear, guilt and authoritarianism are good ways to
control
people.
Yes, that is correct, and it is not the way of God, it is the way of
evil
men, so why are you sowing fear?
What fear? And I'm not a self-centred narcissist like your Bible version
of
'God'.
You most certainly are. Look how you tout your beliefs, your good works
helping others to believe and seek your truths.
Can you save anyone from eternal destruction? Turn anyones life around as
if they were a new man?
Where am I touting doctrines/books? Where am I promoting worship? I'm
helping people to think and see the light of day and question old dogmas.
Dogmas can be pro or against. You are stating your own personal dogma as well as your doctrines. You are attempting to "save" people from their personal salvation and to do things your way. The way of the Destroyer, whether a willing accomplice or not. You attempt to be certain of what you say, but there is always the doubts. If you are wrong, and I know you are, and you were to change a person from belief to unbelief, then when you see them in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone do you assume they will be bonded to you and rejoice that you are correct? Will you laugh at their stupidity to have given up all that is good to be as you chose, or should you just take the chance and let people be what they desire to be since you have no knowledge of the future?
"Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew
out of
a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have
bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not
against
the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly,
sensual,
devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every
evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then
peaceable,
gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits,
without
partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is
sown
in peace of them that make peace."(Jas 3:13-18, KJV)
If we are made in the image of a good God then we will have lots of
wisdom,
and many people throughout history have. And a good God would be proud of
us
that we are like him.
You neglect the elephant in the room called Satan who deceived and
corrupted the entire world.
Corrupting and destroying our built in morals, mental capabilities, etc.
Yet those that have escaped the evil and chose to follow God all exhibit
the characteristics you speak of.
Who created Satan and neglected to tell everyone to beware of his lies?
God created Lucifer who then was found to have sin in him, the sin of pride, false pride.
Who neglected this world for millennia letting it go rotten?
No one. The world and all that was in it was given to men, to have dominion over all things, they chose to give it up. It was their responsibility not God's.
Who ignored people's prayers to help us defeat Satan?
No one. Satan has already been defeated. You who are unspiritual, meaning without God in your life, are that way by your choice, you refused the power to defeat Satans actions and temptations in your life.
If humans had built in morals then Adam and Eve wouldn't have obeyed Satan
like a pair of zombies.
They did not act like zombies, who are you trying to kid? Eve was deceived by the words of Satan, and fell gullible to the words like you present about anti-God. Adam did what he did by choice, he willingly sinned.
You haven't thought out any of this properly at all.
Perhaps by your non-spiritual thinking, but I have had RL experiences with God, and interact with God by His Holy Spirit in my life. I know of His realities, and have much more to see and know. I have a life without limits and the more I walk with Him the more I have cause to Praise Him. And Praise him I do.
But if we don't then he just made a bunch of zombies that can do nothing
of
value in themselves. Did God just make a bunch of zombies and lemmings
who
can only sin and need to be controlled, monitored, demeaned and
threatened
all their lives? Such silliness Christians believe.
Satan is the one who turned you into your zombie world. He implants an idea
into your head and you follow it, even enhancing if as a newly discovered
truths and a way out of carnal knowledge.
I'm not the unthinking zombie. I'm moral and spiritual without being
threatened to follow a callous blood desiring god figure from a book.
You are dead to God spiritually and alive to Satan by your choice. And that life is death forever, IOW's total separation from God and everything that is kind and good. Your vain imaginations of who God is, is false and without foundation, you made an unwise choice and were deceived because you did not do the research regarding all this by yourself. You were gullible, took the words of others and believed them.
As have you. Stop pointing fingers and start trying to understand.
I do understand as I came from a life of sin unto Jesus Christ the Lord. I am and did not fingerprint, I described his current spiritual state and I speak with understanding
You were given a religious view, and listened to the thoughts going on
in your head, never once taking the time to thoroughly review what is
written and ask the author of the Bible what it all means.
Yes, I was given a viewpoint, and as I have told everyone here several times, I sought God about when I was about 13 years old. He answered me then but foolishly postponed my decision to live for him. He reminded me of it over the years and the experience is and was burned into my mind and understanding. Sadly it wasn't until I was around 32 or so that I was in a desperate situation and then it was that I cried out for his deliverance and help. Again, he answered my cry, prayer, or whatever you wish to call it. At that point he changed me from the inside out. It was obvious to my friends and associates in the days that followed and I have not looked back. And I still grow in the Lord. I ask for his understandings as well as his help always.
Who is the author of the Bible? Men, that's who.
Then you might as well do as Michael Mclean did and throw away your bible. It will be of no use to you if that is your final determination.
Scripture says,...
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." (2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
-).
This is the Robert translation...
(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
'All scripture is given to me (Robert) to interpret as I see fit and is
profitable for my personal religious beliefs, for correcting those who
are at odds with my doctrine, for reproving those who flout my
understanding and for instructing others in my righteousness. That I
may be revered, and those who drink my religion are thoroughly furnished
unto all my ways.'
Amen.
Here is the truth, you can't walk in the Spirit of Truth so you have to
rely on your intellect.
Not enough, Buddy.
Look at the word 'That' in your quote. You do this so that 'that' can
happen. You still need to be indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness because you still walk in your sin.
It is crystal clear, no excuses.
You can't put your bible down because you are not cleansed of all
unrighteousness and are unable to walk in the earth and the fullness
thereof in the Spirit with the Lord. You need power from above, Buddy.
Not my fault.
Michael Christ
I did not say anything was your fault, in this post or thread. Never inferred it either.
It is your own fault, that is why. You are still stuck in your
man-centred theology, Buddy.
Post by Robert
As to my walk with the Lord and in the spirit you have no knowledge to support your statements.
There is a move of God on the way of fulfilling what has already started. Jesus will reveal himself through his people and the gates of hell cannot contain the actions of His people.
All the trivial denominational and religious talk here on the Usenet will pale behind the revelations of the Lord, you can either be a part of it or be left by the wayside.
The same for all of us
As per your bible quote mandate imposes on you...
When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Until then keep your self-righteous religious un-thoroughly furnished
dogma-jargon abuse to yourself. Thanks.
When are you ever going to learn, Robert, that man was not made for the
bible, man was made for a relationship with the Lord...without ink???!!!
Is God not able????????????????????????????????????
Michael Christ
You are the same false prophet you always were.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
"Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;"(2Ti 2:14-17, KJV)
In your case it is your refusal to share the word of God, Scripture, and tell them they have no need to know these things and as a result will have nothing to test and try the spirits such as you who would seek to deny scripture.
I was hoping you would come back a better man.
You mean like you?? :-)))).
Like you were told...follow your bible directive...hypocrite...
"When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
Otherwise, take your self-righteousness religion and shove it up your arse.
Thank you.
Michael Christ
My righteousness is of God Almighty, not of myself. So I cannot boast about it.
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."(2Co 5:17, KJV)
One that doesn't need reproving and correcting and instruction in
righteousness or one who does?? :-).

Be a man.




Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;"(2Co 5:18, KJV)
"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."(2Co 5:19, KJV)
"Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God."(2Co 5:20, KJV)
"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."(2Co 5:21, KJV)
The Christ here that is spoken of is not you.
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
Robert
2020-08-14 15:04:11 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
Robert and Greg can suck a watermelon through a garden hose.
Isn't it amazing that Christ died even for you, that you sins can
be
forgiven and that you too can have a new life through Jesus Christ?
What sins are those? Prove anyone here ever murdered or did anything
to
offend a deity that no one's ever met.
What we do know. Fear, guilt and authoritarianism are good ways to
control
people.
Yes, that is correct, and it is not the way of God, it is the way of
evil
men, so why are you sowing fear?
What fear? And I'm not a self-centred narcissist like your Bible version
of
'God'.
You most certainly are. Look how you tout your beliefs, your good works
helping others to believe and seek your truths.
Can you save anyone from eternal destruction? Turn anyones life around as
if they were a new man?
Where am I touting doctrines/books? Where am I promoting worship? I'm
helping people to think and see the light of day and question old dogmas.
Dogmas can be pro or against. You are stating your own personal dogma as well as your doctrines. You are attempting to "save" people from their personal salvation and to do things your way. The way of the Destroyer, whether a willing accomplice or not. You attempt to be certain of what you say, but there is always the doubts. If you are wrong, and I know you are, and you were to change a person from belief to unbelief, then when you see them in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone do you assume they will be bonded to you and rejoice that you are correct? Will you laugh at their stupidity to have given up all that is good to be as you chose, or should you just take the chance and let people be what they desire to be since you have no knowledge of the future?
"Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew
out of
a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have
bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not
against
the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly,
sensual,
devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every
evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then
peaceable,
gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits,
without
partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is
sown
in peace of them that make peace."(Jas 3:13-18, KJV)
If we are made in the image of a good God then we will have lots of
wisdom,
and many people throughout history have. And a good God would be proud of
us
that we are like him.
You neglect the elephant in the room called Satan who deceived and
corrupted the entire world.
Corrupting and destroying our built in morals, mental capabilities, etc.
Yet those that have escaped the evil and chose to follow God all exhibit
the characteristics you speak of.
Who created Satan and neglected to tell everyone to beware of his lies?
God created Lucifer who then was found to have sin in him, the sin of pride, false pride.
Who neglected this world for millennia letting it go rotten?
No one. The world and all that was in it was given to men, to have dominion over all things, they chose to give it up. It was their responsibility not God's.
Who ignored people's prayers to help us defeat Satan?
No one. Satan has already been defeated. You who are unspiritual, meaning without God in your life, are that way by your choice, you refused the power to defeat Satans actions and temptations in your life.
If humans had built in morals then Adam and Eve wouldn't have obeyed Satan
like a pair of zombies.
They did not act like zombies, who are you trying to kid? Eve was deceived by the words of Satan, and fell gullible to the words like you present about anti-God. Adam did what he did by choice, he willingly sinned.
You haven't thought out any of this properly at all.
Perhaps by your non-spiritual thinking, but I have had RL experiences with God, and interact with God by His Holy Spirit in my life. I know of His realities, and have much more to see and know. I have a life without limits and the more I walk with Him the more I have cause to Praise Him. And Praise him I do.
But if we don't then he just made a bunch of zombies that can do nothing
of
value in themselves. Did God just make a bunch of zombies and lemmings
who
can only sin and need to be controlled, monitored, demeaned and
threatened
all their lives? Such silliness Christians believe.
Satan is the one who turned you into your zombie world. He implants an idea
into your head and you follow it, even enhancing if as a newly discovered
truths and a way out of carnal knowledge.
I'm not the unthinking zombie. I'm moral and spiritual without being
threatened to follow a callous blood desiring god figure from a book.
You are dead to God spiritually and alive to Satan by your choice. And that life is death forever, IOW's total separation from God and everything that is kind and good. Your vain imaginations of who God is, is false and without foundation, you made an unwise choice and were deceived because you did not do the research regarding all this by yourself. You were gullible, took the words of others and believed them.
As have you. Stop pointing fingers and start trying to understand.
I do understand as I came from a life of sin unto Jesus Christ the Lord. I am and did not fingerprint, I described his current spiritual state and I speak with understanding
You were given a religious view, and listened to the thoughts going on
in your head, never once taking the time to thoroughly review what is
written and ask the author of the Bible what it all means.
Yes, I was given a viewpoint, and as I have told everyone here several times, I sought God about when I was about 13 years old. He answered me then but foolishly postponed my decision to live for him. He reminded me of it over the years and the experience is and was burned into my mind and understanding. Sadly it wasn't until I was around 32 or so that I was in a desperate situation and then it was that I cried out for his deliverance and help. Again, he answered my cry, prayer, or whatever you wish to call it. At that point he changed me from the inside out. It was obvious to my friends and associates in the days that followed and I have not looked back. And I still grow in the Lord. I ask for his understandings as well as his help always.
Who is the author of the Bible? Men, that's who.
Then you might as well do as Michael Mclean did and throw away your bible. It will be of no use to you if that is your final determination.
Scripture says,...
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." (2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
-).
This is the Robert translation...
(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
'All scripture is given to me (Robert) to interpret as I see fit and is
profitable for my personal religious beliefs, for correcting those who
are at odds with my doctrine, for reproving those who flout my
understanding and for instructing others in my righteousness. That I
may be revered, and those who drink my religion are thoroughly furnished
unto all my ways.'
Amen.
Here is the truth, you can't walk in the Spirit of Truth so you have to
rely on your intellect.
Not enough, Buddy.
Look at the word 'That' in your quote. You do this so that 'that' can
happen. You still need to be indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness because you still walk in your sin.
It is crystal clear, no excuses.
You can't put your bible down because you are not cleansed of all
unrighteousness and are unable to walk in the earth and the fullness
thereof in the Spirit with the Lord. You need power from above, Buddy.
Not my fault.
Michael Christ
I did not say anything was your fault, in this post or thread. Never inferred it either.
It is your own fault, that is why. You are still stuck in your
man-centred theology, Buddy.
Post by Robert
As to my walk with the Lord and in the spirit you have no knowledge to support your statements.
There is a move of God on the way of fulfilling what has already started. Jesus will reveal himself through his people and the gates of hell cannot contain the actions of His people.
All the trivial denominational and religious talk here on the Usenet will pale behind the revelations of the Lord, you can either be a part of it or be left by the wayside.
The same for all of us
As per your bible quote mandate imposes on you...
When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Until then keep your self-righteous religious un-thoroughly furnished
dogma-jargon abuse to yourself. Thanks.
When are you ever going to learn, Robert, that man was not made for the
bible, man was made for a relationship with the Lord...without ink???!!!
Is God not able????????????????????????????????????
Michael Christ
You are the same false prophet you always were.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
"Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;"(2Ti 2:14-17, KJV)
In your case it is your refusal to share the word of God, Scripture, and tell them they have no need to know these things and as a result will have nothing to test and try the spirits such as you who would seek to deny scripture.
I was hoping you would come back a better man.
You mean like you?? :-)))).
Like you were told...follow your bible directive...hypocrite...
"When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
Otherwise, take your self-righteousness religion and shove it up your arse.
Thank you.
Michael Christ
My righteousness is of God Almighty, not of myself. So I cannot boast about it.
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."(2Co 5:17, KJV)
One that doesn't need reproving and correcting and instruction in
righteousness or one who does?? :-).
Be a man.
Michael Christ
"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."(Rom 12:1-2, KJV)

"But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;"(Tit 3:4-6, KJV)

You see, it has nothing to do with "being a man". Once we are born again and made a new creation we are to renew our minds, without which we will not be able to control the lusts of the flesh. As an example, those that are given to quick anger, and then speak with a filthy mouth in order to exude the power of self over others are in need of reproval, without a transformed mind one will soon be walking in the old ways of the flesh and for that sake will have fallen away.

Be a spiritual man.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;"(2Co 5:18, KJV)
"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."(2Co 5:19, KJV)
"Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God."(2Co 5:20, KJV)
"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."(2Co 5:21, KJV)
The Christ here that is spoken of is not you.
Michael Christ
2020-08-14 23:35:47 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
Robert and Greg can suck a watermelon through a garden hose.
Isn't it amazing that Christ died even for you, that you sins can
be
forgiven and that you too can have a new life through Jesus Christ?
What sins are those? Prove anyone here ever murdered or did anything
to
offend a deity that no one's ever met.
What we do know. Fear, guilt and authoritarianism are good ways to
control
people.
Yes, that is correct, and it is not the way of God, it is the way of
evil
men, so why are you sowing fear?
What fear? And I'm not a self-centred narcissist like your Bible version
of
'God'.
You most certainly are. Look how you tout your beliefs, your good works
helping others to believe and seek your truths.
Can you save anyone from eternal destruction? Turn anyones life around as
if they were a new man?
Where am I touting doctrines/books? Where am I promoting worship? I'm
helping people to think and see the light of day and
question old dogmas.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
Dogmas can be pro or against. You are stating your own
personal dogma as well as your doctrines. You are attempting to "save"
people from their personal salvation and to do things your way. The way
of the Destroyer, whether a willing accomplice or not. You attempt to be
certain of what you say, but there is always the doubts. If you are
wrong, and I know you are, and you were to change a person from belief
to unbelief, then when you see them in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone do
you assume they will be bonded to you and rejoice that you are correct?
Will you laugh at their stupidity to have given up all that is good to
be as you chose, or should you just take the chance and let people be
what they desire to be since you have no knowledge of the future?
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
"Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew
out of
a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have
bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not
against
the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly,
sensual,
devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every
evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then
peaceable,
gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits,
without
partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is
sown
in peace of them that make peace."(Jas 3:13-18, KJV)
If we are made in the image of a good God then we will have lots of
wisdom,
and many people throughout history have. And a good God would be proud of
us
that we are like him.
You neglect the elephant in the room called Satan who deceived and
corrupted the entire world.
Corrupting and destroying our built in morals, mental capabilities, etc.
Yet those that have escaped the evil and chose to follow God all exhibit
the characteristics you speak of.
Who created Satan and neglected to tell everyone to beware of his lies?
God created Lucifer who then was found to have sin in him,
the sin of pride, false pride.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
Who neglected this world for millennia letting it go rotten?
No one. The world and all that was in it was given to men,
to have dominion over all things, they chose to give it up. It was their
responsibility not God's.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
Who ignored people's prayers to help us defeat Satan?
No one. Satan has already been defeated. You who are
unspiritual, meaning without God in your life, are that way by your
choice, you refused the power to defeat Satans actions and temptations
in your life.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
If humans had built in morals then Adam and Eve wouldn't have obeyed Satan
like a pair of zombies.
They did not act like zombies, who are you trying to kid?
Eve was deceived by the words of Satan, and fell gullible to the words
like you present about anti-God. Adam did what he did by choice, he
willingly sinned.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
You haven't thought out any of this properly at all.
Perhaps by your non-spiritual thinking, but I have had RL
experiences with God, and interact with God by His Holy Spirit in my
life. I know of His realities, and have much more to see and know. I
have a life without limits and the more I walk with Him the more I have
cause to Praise Him. And Praise him I do.
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But if we don't then he just made a bunch of zombies that can do nothing
of
value in themselves. Did God just make a bunch of zombies and lemmings
who
can only sin and need to be controlled, monitored,
demeaned and
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threatened
all their lives? Such silliness Christians believe.
Satan is the one who turned you into your zombie world. He implants an idea
into your head and you follow it, even enhancing if as a newly discovered
truths and a way out of carnal knowledge.
I'm not the unthinking zombie. I'm moral and spiritual without being
threatened to follow a callous blood desiring god figure from a book.
You are dead to God spiritually and alive to Satan by your
choice. And that life is death forever, IOW's total separation from God
and everything that is kind and good. Your vain imaginations of who God
is, is false and without foundation, you made an unwise choice and were
deceived because you did not do the research regarding all this by
yourself. You were gullible, took the words of others and believed them.
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As have you. Stop pointing fingers and start trying to
understand.
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I do understand as I came from a life of sin unto Jesus Christ
the Lord. I am and did not fingerprint, I described his current
spiritual state and I speak with understanding
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You were given a religious view, and listened to the thoughts going on
in your head, never once taking the time to thoroughly review what is
written and ask the author of the Bible what it all means.
Yes, I was given a viewpoint, and as I have told everyone here
several times, I sought God about when I was about 13 years old. He
answered me then but foolishly postponed my decision to live for him. He
reminded me of it over the years and the experience is and was burned
into my mind and understanding. Sadly it wasn't until I was around 32 or
so that I was in a desperate situation and then it was that I cried out
for his deliverance and help. Again, he answered my cry, prayer, or
whatever you wish to call it. At that point he changed me from the
inside out. It was obvious to my friends and associates in the days that
followed and I have not looked back. And I still grow in the Lord. I ask
for his understandings as well as his help always.
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Who is the author of the Bible? Men, that's who.
Then you might as well do as Michael Mclean did and throw away
your bible. It will be of no use to you if that is your final determination.
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Scripture says,...
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is
profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished
unto all good works." (2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
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-).
This is the Robert translation...
(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
'All scripture is given to me (Robert) to interpret as I see fit and is
profitable for my personal religious beliefs, for correcting those who
are at odds with my doctrine, for reproving those who flout my
understanding and for instructing others in my righteousness. That I
may be revered, and those who drink my religion are thoroughly furnished
unto all my ways.'
Amen.
Here is the truth, you can't walk in the Spirit of Truth so you have to
rely on your intellect.
Not enough, Buddy.
Look at the word 'That' in your quote. You do this so that 'that' can
happen. You still need to be indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness because you still walk in your sin.
It is crystal clear, no excuses.
You can't put your bible down because you are not cleansed of all
unrighteousness and are unable to walk in the earth and the fullness
thereof in the Spirit with the Lord. You need power from above, Buddy.
Not my fault.
Michael Christ
I did not say anything was your fault, in this post or thread. Never inferred it either.
It is your own fault, that is why. You are still stuck in your
man-centred theology, Buddy.
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As to my walk with the Lord and in the spirit you have no
knowledge to support your statements.
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There is a move of God on the way of fulfilling what has already
started. Jesus will reveal himself through his people and the gates of
hell cannot contain the actions of His people.
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All the trivial denominational and religious talk here on the
Usenet will pale behind the revelations of the Lord, you can either be a
part of it or be left by the wayside.
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The same for all of us
As per your bible quote mandate imposes on you...
When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved,
corrected and
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instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Until then keep your self-righteous religious un-thoroughly furnished
dogma-jargon abuse to yourself. Thanks.
When are you ever going to learn, Robert, that man was not made for the
bible, man was made for a relationship with the Lord...without ink???!!!
Is God not able????????????????????????????????????
Michael Christ
You are the same false prophet you always were.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished
unto all good works."(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
"Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the
Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the
subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a
workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of
truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto
more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is
Hymenaeus and Philetus;"(2Ti 2:14-17, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
In your case it is your refusal to share the word of God,
Scripture, and tell them they have no need to know these things and as a
result will have nothing to test and try the spirits such as you who
would seek to deny scripture.
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Post by Robert
I was hoping you would come back a better man.
You mean like you?? :-)))).
Like you were told...follow your bible directive...hypocrite...
"When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
Otherwise, take your self-righteousness religion and shove it up your arse.
Thank you.
Michael Christ
My righteousness is of God Almighty, not of myself. So I cannot boast about it.
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things
are passed away; behold, all things are become new."(2Co 5:17, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
One that doesn't need reproving and correcting and instruction in
righteousness or one who does?? .
Post by Michael Christ
Be a man.
You are a coward who always does a runner.

Since you are not prepared to humble. 'One who does not need changing
anymore'. A new creature never has to repent, the old has passed away,
and all things are become new.

He's born again.

The righteousness of God does not repent, does not need 'doctrine,
reproof, correction, instruction in righteousness'. Why?

Because he was...and WAS MADE the righteousness of Christ.





Michael Christ

PS You are stuck in religion sinner justifying doctrine, Buddy. Seated
in Christ Jesus in heavenly places is not a sinner claiming the
righteousness of Christ (e.g. Sproul, Zacharias), there are only those
who are sinless, pure, holy, without spot or blemish, a 'white as snow'
bride that THE LORD RAISED UP in them in Him.

A sinner is a sinner is a sinner and THE WAGES OF A SINNER IS DEATH,
practicing and peccadillo and so called non-practicing (rubbish
religious talk) sinner alike!
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Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by
Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;"(2Co
5:18, KJV)
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Post by Robert
"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,
not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the
word of reconciliation."(2Co 5:19, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech
you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God."(2Co
5:20, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we
might be made the righteousness of God in him."(2Co 5:21, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
The Christ here that is spoken of is not you.
--
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
Robert
2020-08-15 00:20:02 UTC
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When are you ever going to learn, Robert, that man was not made
for the
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Post by Robert
Post by Robert
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bible, man was made for a relationship with the Lord...without
ink???!!!
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
Is God not able????????????????????????????????????
Michael Christ
You are the same false prophet you always were.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished
unto all good works."(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
"Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the
Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the
subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a
workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of
truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto
more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is
Hymenaeus and Philetus;"(2Ti 2:14-17, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
In your case it is your refusal to share the word of God,
Scripture, and tell them they have no need to know these things and as a
result will have nothing to test and try the spirits such as you who
would seek to deny scripture.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
I was hoping you would come back a better man.
You mean like you?? :-)))).
Like you were told...follow your bible directive...hypocrite...
Michal said
Post by Robert
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Post by Robert
"When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
Otherwise, take your self-righteousness religion and shove it up
your arse.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Thank you.
Michael Christ
My righteousness is of God Almighty, not of myself. So I cannot
boast about it.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things
are passed away; behold, all things are become new."(2Co 5:17, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
One that doesn't need reproving and correcting and instruction in
righteousness or one who does?? .
Post by Michael Christ
Be a man.
As I said, I am a spiritual man, I live in this world and in the kingdom of God as well.
Post by Robert
You are a coward who always does a runner.
I have done nothing of the sort.
Post by Robert
Since you are not prepared to humble. 'One who does not need changing
anymore'. A new creature never has to repent, the old has passed away,
and all things are become new.
You are without understanding here.
Post by Robert
He's born again.
He cannot be in that state until AFTER being born again, of God.
Post by Robert
The righteousness of God does not repent, does not need 'doctrine,
reproof, correction, instruction in righteousness'. Why?
Because he was...and WAS MADE the righteousness of Christ.
He was made the righteousness of God, God the Father. Yet you still understand not the things of God, how and in what he operates.
Post by Robert
Michael Christ
PS You are stuck in religion sinner justifying doctrine, Buddy. Seated
in Christ Jesus in heavenly places is not a sinner claiming the
righteousness of Christ (e.g. Sproul, Zacharias), there are only those
who are sinless, pure, holy, without spot or blemish, a 'white as snow'
bride that THE LORD RAISED UP in them in Him.
And you are not in that position. Your mind is full of corruption.
Post by Robert
A sinner is a sinner is a sinner and THE WAGES OF A SINNER IS DEATH,
practicing and peccadillo and so called non-practicing (rubbish
religious talk) sinner alike!
Yes, a sinner who walks in sin, is a sinner.
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by
Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;"(2Co
5:18, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,
not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the
word of reconciliation."(2Co 5:19, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech
you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God."(2Co
5:20, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we
might be made the righteousness of God in him."(2Co 5:21, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
The Christ here that is spoken of is not you.
Michael Christ
2020-08-15 01:10:30 UTC
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When are you ever going to learn, Robert, that man was not made
for the
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
bible, man was made for a relationship with the Lord...without
ink???!!!
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
Is God not able????????????????????????????????????
Michael Christ
You are the same false prophet you always were.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished
unto all good works."(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
"Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the
Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the
subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a
workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of
truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto
more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is
Hymenaeus and Philetus;"(2Ti 2:14-17, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
In your case it is your refusal to share the word of God,
Scripture, and tell them they have no need to know these things and as a
result will have nothing to test and try the spirits such as you who
would seek to deny scripture.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
I was hoping you would come back a better man.
You mean like you?? :-)))).
Like you were told...follow your bible directive...hypocrite...
Michal said
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
Otherwise, take your self-righteousness religion and shove it up
your arse.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Thank you.
Michael Christ
My righteousness is of God Almighty, not of myself. So I cannot
boast about it.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things
are passed away; behold, all things are become new."(2Co 5:17, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
One that doesn't need reproving and correcting and instruction in
righteousness or one who does?? .
Post by Michael Christ
Be a man.
As I said, I am a spiritual man, I live in this world and in the kingdom of God as well.
Post by Robert
You are a coward who always does a runner.
I have done nothing of the sort.
Post by Robert
Since you are not prepared to humble. 'One who does not need changing
anymore'. A new creature never has to repent, the old has passed away,
and all things are become new.
You are without understanding here.
Post by Robert
He's born again.
He cannot be in that state until AFTER being born again, of God.
Post by Robert
The righteousness of God does not repent, does not need 'doctrine,
reproof, correction, instruction in righteousness'. Why?
Because he was...and WAS MADE the righteousness of Christ.
He was made the righteousness of God, God the Father. Yet you still understand not the things of God, how and in what he operates.
Post by Robert
Michael Christ
PS You are stuck in religion sinner justifying doctrine, Buddy. Seated
in Christ Jesus in heavenly places is not a sinner claiming the
righteousness of Christ (e.g. Sproul, Zacharias), there are only those
who are sinless, pure, holy, without spot or blemish, a 'white as snow'
bride that THE LORD RAISED UP in them in Him.
And you are not in that position. Your mind is full of corruption.
Post by Robert
A sinner is a sinner is a sinner and THE WAGES OF A SINNER IS DEATH,
practicing and peccadillo and so called non-practicing (rubbish
religious talk) sinner alike!
Yes, a sinner who walks in sin, is a sinner.
A sinner who sits is a sinner, Buddy. A sinner is a sinner is a sinner!!!

And no religious theology is ever going to change that.

Sin is not what you do, it...is...what...you...are.

That is why you have to DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Michael Christ
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Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by
Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;"(2Co
5:18, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,
not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the
word of reconciliation."(2Co 5:19, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech
you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God."(2Co
5:20, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we
might be made the righteousness of God in him."(2Co 5:21, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
The Christ here that is spoken of is not you.
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
Robert
2020-08-15 03:40:47 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
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Post by Michael Christ
When are you ever going to learn, Robert, that man was not made
for the
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
bible, man was made for a relationship with the Lord...without
ink???!!!
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
Is God not able????????????????????????????????????
Michael Christ
You are the same false prophet you always were.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished
unto all good works."(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
"Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the
Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the
subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a
workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of
truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto
more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is
Hymenaeus and Philetus;"(2Ti 2:14-17, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
In your case it is your refusal to share the word of God,
Scripture, and tell them they have no need to know these things and as a
result will have nothing to test and try the spirits such as you who
would seek to deny scripture.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
I was hoping you would come back a better man.
You mean like you?? :-)))).
Like you were told...follow your bible directive...hypocrite...
Michal said
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
Otherwise, take your self-righteousness religion and shove it up
your arse.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Thank you.
Michael Christ
My righteousness is of God Almighty, not of myself. So I cannot
boast about it.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things
are passed away; behold, all things are become new."(2Co 5:17, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
One that doesn't need reproving and correcting and instruction in
righteousness or one who does?? .
Post by Michael Christ
Be a man.
As I said, I am a spiritual man, I live in this world and in the kingdom of God as well.
Post by Robert
You are a coward who always does a runner.
I have done nothing of the sort.
Post by Robert
Since you are not prepared to humble. 'One who does not need changing
anymore'. A new creature never has to repent, the old has passed away,
and all things are become new.
You are without understanding here.
Post by Robert
He's born again.
He cannot be in that state until AFTER being born again, of God.
Post by Robert
The righteousness of God does not repent, does not need 'doctrine,
reproof, correction, instruction in righteousness'. Why?
Because he was...and WAS MADE the righteousness of Christ.
He was made the righteousness of God, God the Father. Yet you still understand not the things of God, how and in what he operates.
Post by Robert
Michael Christ
PS You are stuck in religion sinner justifying doctrine, Buddy. Seated
in Christ Jesus in heavenly places is not a sinner claiming the
righteousness of Christ (e.g. Sproul, Zacharias), there are only those
who are sinless, pure, holy, without spot or blemish, a 'white as snow'
bride that THE LORD RAISED UP in them in Him.
And you are not in that position. Your mind is full of corruption.
Post by Robert
A sinner is a sinner is a sinner and THE WAGES OF A SINNER IS DEATH,
practicing and peccadillo and so called non-practicing (rubbish
religious talk) sinner alike!
Yes, a sinner who walks in sin, is a sinner.
A sinner who sits is a sinner, Buddy. A sinner is a sinner is a sinner!!!
And no religious theology is ever going to change that.
Like D-uh! You don't have to be that emphatic when you are agreeing with me.
Sin is not what you do, it...is...what...you...are.
You cannot prove that. A sinner is one who commits sins. Like when you lie about me. A person becomes a sinner after their first sin.
That is why you have to DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The reason you die is because of the Fall of Adam it was appointed to man once to die. Your body is corrupted and as a result it cannot live in heaven.
Michael Christ
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Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by
Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;"(2Co
5:18, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,
not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the
word of reconciliation."(2Co 5:19, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech
you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God."(2Co
5:20, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we
might be made the righteousness of God in him."(2Co 5:21, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
The Christ here that is spoken of is not you.
Michael Christ
2020-08-15 04:41:20 UTC
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When are you ever going to learn, Robert, that man was not made
for the
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
bible, man was made for a relationship with the Lord...without
ink???!!!
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
Is God not able????????????????????????????????????
Michael Christ
You are the same false prophet you always were.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished
unto all good works."(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
"Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the
Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the
subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a
workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of
truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto
more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is
Hymenaeus and Philetus;"(2Ti 2:14-17, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
In your case it is your refusal to share the word of God,
Scripture, and tell them they have no need to know these things and as a
result will have nothing to test and try the spirits such as you who
would seek to deny scripture.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
I was hoping you would come back a better man.
You mean like you?? :-)))).
Like you were told...follow your bible directive...hypocrite...
Michal said
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
Otherwise, take your self-righteousness religion and shove it up
your arse.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Thank you.
Michael Christ
My righteousness is of God Almighty, not of myself. So I cannot
boast about it.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things
are passed away; behold, all things are become new."(2Co 5:17, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
One that doesn't need reproving and correcting and instruction in
righteousness or one who does?? .
Post by Michael Christ
Be a man.
As I said, I am a spiritual man, I live in this world and in the kingdom of God as well.
Post by Robert
You are a coward who always does a runner.
I have done nothing of the sort.
Post by Robert
Since you are not prepared to humble. 'One who does not need changing
anymore'. A new creature never has to repent, the old has passed away,
and all things are become new.
You are without understanding here.
Post by Robert
He's born again.
He cannot be in that state until AFTER being born again, of God.
Post by Robert
The righteousness of God does not repent, does not need 'doctrine,
reproof, correction, instruction in righteousness'. Why?
Because he was...and WAS MADE the righteousness of Christ.
He was made the righteousness of God, God the Father. Yet you still understand not the things of God, how and in what he operates.
Post by Robert
Michael Christ
PS You are stuck in religion sinner justifying doctrine, Buddy. Seated
in Christ Jesus in heavenly places is not a sinner claiming the
righteousness of Christ (e.g. Sproul, Zacharias), there are only those
who are sinless, pure, holy, without spot or blemish, a 'white as snow'
bride that THE LORD RAISED UP in them in Him.
And you are not in that position. Your mind is full of corruption.
Post by Robert
A sinner is a sinner is a sinner and THE WAGES OF A SINNER IS DEATH,
practicing and peccadillo and so called non-practicing (rubbish
religious talk) sinner alike!
Yes, a sinner who walks in sin, is a sinner.
A sinner who sits is a sinner, Buddy. A sinner is a sinner is a sinner!!!
And no religious theology is ever going to change that.
Like D-uh! You don't have to be that emphatic when you are agreeing with me.
Sin is not what you do, it...is...what...you...are.
You cannot prove that. A sinner is one who commits sins. Like when you lie about me. A person becomes a sinner after their first sin.
No, no, no! Wrong, wrong, wrong!!

That is...delusion!!! We were all BORN in sin, SPIRITUALLY corrupt.
Me, myself, I! Right from the get-go and it doesn't take very long to
materialize.

Sin is not what you do, it...is...what...you...are. That is why you
must die, be crucified...spiritually.

This is shallow religious sinner ignorant worldly nonsense...

You wrote, "Yes, a sinner who walks in sin, is a sinner."

A sinner is a sinner even if he/she sits and does nothing for the rest
of their lives...the human heart is corrupt above all things!! It is
not good, it is unclean.

The Lord must create a clean heart, a new heart; the old must be crucified.






Michael Christ

PS If there was one molecule in our spiritual being at our birth that
was pure and holy and in-corrupt then God had something on which to
build and the Lord Jesus wouldn't have needed to go to the cross.

PPS You should know these things if you were everything you say and
think you are!!
Post by Robert
That is why you have to DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The reason you die is because of the Fall of Adam it was appointed to man once to die. Your body is corrupted and as a result it cannot live in heaven.
Michael Christ
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Post by Robert
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Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by
Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;"(2Co
5:18, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,
not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the
word of reconciliation."(2Co 5:19, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech
you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God."(2Co
5:20, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we
might be made the righteousness of God in him."(2Co 5:21, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
The Christ here that is spoken of is not you.
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
Robert
2020-08-15 05:52:09 UTC
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When are you ever going to learn, Robert, that man was not made
for the
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bible, man was made for a relationship with the Lord...without
ink???!!!
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Is God not able????????????????????????????????????
Michael Christ
You are the same false prophet you always were.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished
unto all good works."(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
"Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the
Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the
subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a
workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of
truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto
more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is
Hymenaeus and Philetus;"(2Ti 2:14-17, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
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Post by Robert
In your case it is your refusal to share the word of God,
Scripture, and tell them they have no need to know these things and as a
result will have nothing to test and try the spirits such as you who
would seek to deny scripture.
Post by Michael Christ
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Post by Robert
I was hoping you would come back a better man.
You mean like you?? :-)))).
Like you were told...follow your bible directive...hypocrite...
Michal said
Post by Robert
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Post by Robert
"When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
Otherwise, take your self-righteousness religion and shove it up
your arse.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Thank you.
Michael Christ
My righteousness is of God Almighty, not of myself. So I cannot
boast about it.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things
are passed away; behold, all things are become new."(2Co 5:17, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
One that doesn't need reproving and correcting and instruction in
righteousness or one who does?? .
Post by Michael Christ
Be a man.
As I said, I am a spiritual man, I live in this world and in the kingdom of God as well.
Post by Robert
You are a coward who always does a runner.
I have done nothing of the sort.
Post by Robert
Since you are not prepared to humble. 'One who does not need changing
anymore'. A new creature never has to repent, the old has passed away,
and all things are become new.
You are without understanding here.
Post by Robert
He's born again.
He cannot be in that state until AFTER being born again, of God.
Post by Robert
The righteousness of God does not repent, does not need 'doctrine,
reproof, correction, instruction in righteousness'. Why?
Because he was...and WAS MADE the righteousness of Christ.
He was made the righteousness of God, God the Father. Yet you still understand not the things of God, how and in what he operates.
Post by Robert
Michael Christ
PS You are stuck in religion sinner justifying doctrine, Buddy. Seated
in Christ Jesus in heavenly places is not a sinner claiming the
righteousness of Christ (e.g. Sproul, Zacharias), there are only those
who are sinless, pure, holy, without spot or blemish, a 'white as snow'
bride that THE LORD RAISED UP in them in Him.
And you are not in that position. Your mind is full of corruption.
Post by Robert
A sinner is a sinner is a sinner and THE WAGES OF A SINNER IS DEATH,
practicing and peccadillo and so called non-practicing (rubbish
religious talk) sinner alike!
Yes, a sinner who walks in sin, is a sinner.
A sinner who sits is a sinner, Buddy. A sinner is a sinner is a sinner!!!
And no religious theology is ever going to change that.
Like D-uh! You don't have to be that emphatic when you are agreeing with me.
Sin is not what you do, it...is...what...you...are.
You cannot prove that. A sinner is one who commits sins. Like when you lie about me. A person becomes a sinner after their first sin.
No, no, no! Wrong, wrong, wrong!!
That is...delusion!!! We were all BORN in sin, SPIRITUALLY corrupt.
Me, myself, I! Right from the get-go and it doesn't take very long to
materialize.
"(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."(Rom 5:13, KJV)

Not inputed. The Jews were were under the law, later on, but not the Gentiles.
Sin is not what you do, it...is...what...you...are. That is why you
must die, be crucified...spiritually.
"But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead."(Rom 7:8, KJV)

"For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died."(Rom 7:9, KJV)

Jesus, had he broken the Mosaic law would have sinned. Then none of this would have happened. But he kept the whole law and fulfilled it. Jesus was tempted by Satan, even offering Jesus the whole world which he came to die for. Satan new the suffering Jesus was going to have to go through, and he since Jesus knew what was set before hmmm he tempted Jesus with and easy way to reclaim the whole earth and all that was in it.

Satan knew the weak points of humankind and here he had Jesus at his weakest having set aside all his godly powers to be born as a human. Had Jesus fallen for that 'apple' offered him as the second Adam we would all have been doomed, I wouldn't even want to speculate the outcome of that, but in every event Jesus sinned not and thus fulfilled the law and completed it with the sacrifice of his own body.

Babies die and go to heaven without committing any sin. So you just might want to reconsider your doctrine of men and seek the doctrines of Jesus.
This is shallow religious sinner ignorant worldly nonsense...
You wrote, "Yes, a sinner who walks in sin, is a sinner."
A sinner is a sinner even if he/she sits and does nothing for the rest
of their lives...the human heart is corrupt above all things!! It is
not good, it is unclean.
To do nothing is a sin. But I get the point of what you are trying to say. But until one has knowingly sinned, that are not a sinner, how can they be if sin is not imputed to their account?
The Lord must create a clean heart, a new heart; the old must be crucified.
The flesh must be crucified. Again, you can read all about it in Romans.
Michael Christ
PS If there was one molecule in our spiritual being at our birth that
was pure and holy and in-corrupt then God had something on which to
build and the Lord Jesus wouldn't have needed to go to the cross.
PPS You should know these things if you were everything you say and
think you are!!
When Adam fell, he gave up his domino over all things in the earth to Satan, and Satan became the god of this earth, the destroyer. Our flesh is where lust resides and acted upon we then sin. It is our flesh that we count as crucified. And by the renewing of our mind we, we put the lusts of the flesh to death. We crucify the body. That is why we must die daily. The flesh is not redeemed and will not be until Jesus Returns.
Post by Robert
That is why you have to DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The reason you die is because of the Fall of Adam it was appointed to man once to die. Your body is corrupted and as a result it cannot live in heaven.
Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
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Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by
Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;"(2Co
5:18, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,
not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the
word of reconciliation."(2Co 5:19, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech
you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God."(2Co
5:20, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we
might be made the righteousness of God in him."(2Co 5:21, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
The Christ here that is spoken of is not you.
Michael Christ
2020-08-15 08:18:30 UTC
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When are you ever going to learn, Robert, that man was not made
for the
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bible, man was made for a relationship with the Lord...without
ink???!!!
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
Is God not able????????????????????????????????????
Michael Christ
You are the same false prophet you always were.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished
unto all good works."(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
"Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the
Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the
subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a
workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of
truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto
more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is
Hymenaeus and Philetus;"(2Ti 2:14-17, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
In your case it is your refusal to share the word of God,
Scripture, and tell them they have no need to know these things and as a
result will have nothing to test and try the spirits such as you who
would seek to deny scripture.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
I was hoping you would come back a better man.
You mean like you?? :-)))).
Like you were told...follow your bible directive...hypocrite...
Michal said
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
Otherwise, take your self-righteousness religion and shove it up
your arse.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Thank you.
Michael Christ
My righteousness is of God Almighty, not of myself. So I cannot
boast about it.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things
are passed away; behold, all things are become new."(2Co 5:17, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
One that doesn't need reproving and correcting and instruction in
righteousness or one who does?? .
Post by Michael Christ
Be a man.
As I said, I am a spiritual man, I live in this world and in the kingdom of God as well.
Post by Robert
You are a coward who always does a runner.
I have done nothing of the sort.
Post by Robert
Since you are not prepared to humble. 'One who does not need changing
anymore'. A new creature never has to repent, the old has passed away,
and all things are become new.
You are without understanding here.
Post by Robert
He's born again.
He cannot be in that state until AFTER being born again, of God.
Post by Robert
The righteousness of God does not repent, does not need 'doctrine,
reproof, correction, instruction in righteousness'. Why?
Because he was...and WAS MADE the righteousness of Christ.
He was made the righteousness of God, God the Father. Yet you still understand not the things of God, how and in what he operates.
Post by Robert
Michael Christ
PS You are stuck in religion sinner justifying doctrine, Buddy. Seated
in Christ Jesus in heavenly places is not a sinner claiming the
righteousness of Christ (e.g. Sproul, Zacharias), there are only those
who are sinless, pure, holy, without spot or blemish, a 'white as snow'
bride that THE LORD RAISED UP in them in Him.
And you are not in that position. Your mind is full of corruption.
Post by Robert
A sinner is a sinner is a sinner and THE WAGES OF A SINNER IS DEATH,
practicing and peccadillo and so called non-practicing (rubbish
religious talk) sinner alike!
Yes, a sinner who walks in sin, is a sinner.
A sinner who sits is a sinner, Buddy. A sinner is a sinner is a sinner!!!
And no religious theology is ever going to change that.
Like D-uh! You don't have to be that emphatic when you are agreeing with me.
Sin is not what you do, it...is...what...you...are.
You cannot prove that. A sinner is one who commits sins. Like when you lie about me. A person becomes a sinner after their first sin.
No, no, no! Wrong, wrong, wrong!!
That is...delusion!!! We were all BORN in sin, SPIRITUALLY corrupt.
Me, myself, I! Right from the get-go and it doesn't take very long to
materialize.
"(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."(Rom 5:13, KJV)
Not inputed. The Jews were were under the law, later on, but not the Gentiles.
Sin is not what you do, it...is...what...you...are. That is why you
must die, be crucified...spiritually.
"But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead."(Rom 7:8, KJV)
"For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died."(Rom 7:9, KJV)
Jesus, had he broken the Mosaic law would have sinned. Then none of this would have happened. But he kept the whole law and fulfilled it. Jesus was tempted by Satan, even offering Jesus the whole world which he came to die for. Satan new the suffering Jesus was going to have to go through, and he since Jesus knew what was set before hmmm he tempted Jesus with and easy way to reclaim the whole earth and all that was in it.
Satan knew the weak points of humankind and here he had Jesus at his weakest having set aside all his godly powers to be born as a human. Had Jesus fallen for that 'apple' offered him as the second Adam we would all have been doomed, I wouldn't even want to speculate the outcome of that, but in every event Jesus sinned not and thus fulfilled the law and completed it with the sacrifice of his own body.
Babies die and go to heaven without committing any sin. So you just might want to reconsider your doctrine of men and seek the doctrines of Jesus.
This is shallow religious sinner ignorant worldly nonsense...
You wrote, "Yes, a sinner who walks in sin, is a sinner."
A sinner is a sinner even if he/she sits and does nothing for the rest
of their lives...the human heart is corrupt above all things!! It is
not good, it is unclean.
To do nothing is a sin. But I get the point of what you are trying to say. But until one has knowingly sinned, that are not a sinner, how can they be if sin is not imputed to their account?
The Lord must create a clean heart, a new heart; the old must be crucified.
The flesh must be crucified. Again, you can read all about it in Romans.
Michael Christ
PS If there was one molecule in our spiritual being at our birth that
was pure and holy and in-corrupt then God had something on which to
build and the Lord Jesus wouldn't have needed to go to the cross.
PPS You should know these things if you were everything you say and
think you are!!
When Adam fell, he gave up his domino over all things in the earth to Satan, and Satan became the
god of this earth, the destroyer.
Our flesh is where lust resides and acted upon we then sin.
No, it is in the heart/the spirit (for example...Matt 5:27-28). The
heart is corrupt in man above all things. Why do you think Job repented
in dust and ashes? That is what Peter learned when the cock crowed twice.

We were all born with corrupt spirits, fallen beings, sinners, sons of
Adam...a sinner. Me included!

Jer 17:9  The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately
wicked: who can know it?

Again I say...

PS If there was one molecule in our spiritual being at our birth that
was pure and holy and in-corrupt then God had something on which to
build and the Lord Jesus wouldn't have needed to go to the cross.
Post by Robert
It is our flesh that we count as crucified. And by the renewing of our mind we, we put the lusts of >the flesh to death. We crucify the body. That is why we must die daily. > The flesh is not redeemed and will not be until Jesus Returns.
We were all born sinners from the get-go. And by the way, the Lord does
the crucifying (there is no 'we'). You hear what He tells you and you
doing what you are told in your daily life.

Sin is not what you do, sin is what you are. That is why the fallen
nature, the heart, the old nature MUST be crucified.

Your heart is deceiving you about yourself and about me. That does not
mean that is your lot in life, unless you allow it. I speak the truth
not in the format you like, I grant you that, but what would you expect
if what I am speaking the truth??!! Would it be seamless and easy and
fit in your paradigm?? Hell no!!!

You cannot be the righteousness of Christ and still need reproving,
instruction in righteousness, correction and indoctrination in the way.

It does not matter if I am the only person on Earth saying it, the truth
is still the truth.

Man is not born spiritually/basically/inherently good and then chooses
bad (isn't it obvious?), that is a deluded worldly belief.






Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
Robert
2020-08-15 18:55:53 UTC
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When are you ever going to learn, Robert, that man was not made
for the
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bible, man was made for a relationship with the Lord...without
ink???!!!
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
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Post by Michael Christ
Is God not able????????????????????????????????????
Michael Christ
You are the same false prophet you always were.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished
unto all good works."(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
"Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the
Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the
subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a
workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of
truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto
more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is
Hymenaeus and Philetus;"(2Ti 2:14-17, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
In your case it is your refusal to share the word of God,
Scripture, and tell them they have no need to know these things and as a
result will have nothing to test and try the spirits such as you who
would seek to deny scripture.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
I was hoping you would come back a better man.
You mean like you?? :-)))).
Like you were told...follow your bible directive...hypocrite...
Michal said
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
Otherwise, take your self-righteousness religion and shove it up
your arse.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Thank you.
Michael Christ
My righteousness is of God Almighty, not of myself. So I cannot
boast about it.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things
are passed away; behold, all things are become new."(2Co 5:17, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
One that doesn't need reproving and correcting and instruction in
righteousness or one who does?? .
Post by Michael Christ
Be a man.
As I said, I am a spiritual man, I live in this world and in the kingdom of God as well.
Post by Robert
You are a coward who always does a runner.
I have done nothing of the sort.
Post by Robert
Since you are not prepared to humble. 'One who does not need changing
anymore'. A new creature never has to repent, the old has passed away,
and all things are become new.
You are without understanding here.
Post by Robert
He's born again.
He cannot be in that state until AFTER being born again, of God.
Post by Robert
The righteousness of God does not repent, does not need 'doctrine,
reproof, correction, instruction in righteousness'. Why?
Because he was...and WAS MADE the righteousness of Christ.
He was made the righteousness of God, God the Father. Yet you still understand not the things of God, how and in what he operates.
Post by Robert
Michael Christ
PS You are stuck in religion sinner justifying doctrine, Buddy. Seated
in Christ Jesus in heavenly places is not a sinner claiming the
righteousness of Christ (e.g. Sproul, Zacharias), there are only those
who are sinless, pure, holy, without spot or blemish, a 'white as snow'
bride that THE LORD RAISED UP in them in Him.
And you are not in that position. Your mind is full of corruption.
Post by Robert
A sinner is a sinner is a sinner and THE WAGES OF A SINNER IS DEATH,
practicing and peccadillo and so called non-practicing (rubbish
religious talk) sinner alike!
Yes, a sinner who walks in sin, is a sinner.
A sinner who sits is a sinner, Buddy. A sinner is a sinner is a sinner!!!
And no religious theology is ever going to change that.
Like D-uh! You don't have to be that emphatic when you are agreeing with me.
Sin is not what you do, it...is...what...you...are.
You cannot prove that. A sinner is one who commits sins. Like when you lie about me. A person becomes a sinner after their first sin.
No, no, no! Wrong, wrong, wrong!!
That is...delusion!!! We were all BORN in sin, SPIRITUALLY corrupt.
Me, myself, I! Right from the get-go and it doesn't take very long to
materialize.
"(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."(Rom 5:13, KJV)
Not inputed. The Jews were were under the law, later on, but not the Gentiles.
Sin is not what you do, it...is...what...you...are. That is why you
must die, be crucified...spiritually.
"But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead."(Rom 7:8, KJV)
"For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died."(Rom 7:9, KJV)
Jesus, had he broken the Mosaic law would have sinned. Then none of this would have happened. But he kept the whole law and fulfilled it. Jesus was tempted by Satan, even offering Jesus the whole world which he came to die for. Satan new the suffering Jesus was going to have to go through, and he since Jesus knew what was set before hmmm he tempted Jesus with and easy way to reclaim the whole earth and all that was in it.
Satan knew the weak points of humankind and here he had Jesus at his weakest having set aside all his godly powers to be born as a human. Had Jesus fallen for that 'apple' offered him as the second Adam we would all have been doomed, I wouldn't even want to speculate the outcome of that, but in every event Jesus sinned not and thus fulfilled the law and completed it with the sacrifice of his own body.
Babies die and go to heaven without committing any sin. So you just might want to reconsider your doctrine of men and seek the doctrines of Jesus.
This is shallow religious sinner ignorant worldly nonsense...
You wrote, "Yes, a sinner who walks in sin, is a sinner."
A sinner is a sinner even if he/she sits and does nothing for the rest
of their lives...the human heart is corrupt above all things!! It is
not good, it is unclean.
To do nothing is a sin. But I get the point of what you are trying to say. But until one has knowingly sinned, that are not a sinner, how can they be if sin is not imputed to their account?
The Lord must create a clean heart, a new heart; the old must be crucified.
The flesh must be crucified. Again, you can read all about it in Romans.
Michael Christ
PS If there was one molecule in our spiritual being at our birth that
was pure and holy and in-corrupt then God had something on which to
build and the Lord Jesus wouldn't have needed to go to the cross.
PPS You should know these things if you were everything you say and
think you are!!
When Adam fell, he gave up his domino over all things in the earth to Satan, and Satan became the
god of this earth, the destroyer.
Our flesh is where lust resides and acted upon we then sin.
No, it is in the heart/the spirit (for example...Matt 5:27-28). The
heart is corrupt in man above all things. Why do you think Job repented
in dust and ashes? That is what Peter learned when the cock crowed twice.
Matthew does not say that at all, if fact it was the lust of the flesh dwelt on is the same thing as physical actions and has already committed the sin in his heart.

Don't forget, a persons heart who is not born again is already separated from God due to the fall of Adam.
We were all born with corrupt spirits, fallen beings, sinners, sons of
Adam...a sinner. Me included!
Yes, and while we are all born into a sin filled earth, we have not sinned until we sin. And yes, all men will sin when yielding to their corrupt fleshly desire. The eye is a source of lust.
Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately
wicked: who can know it?
Yes, without God in their lives. Read the verses surrounding that and see what the Lord does. Also,...

"But ye have not so learned Christ; If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: Neither give place to the devil."(Eph 4:20-27, KJV)
Again I say...
PS If there was one molecule in our spiritual being at our birth that
was pure and holy and in-corrupt then God had something on which to
build and the Lord Jesus wouldn't have needed to go to the cross.
You have said that before, and yes we are born into a world of sin, but we are all held accountable for our own personal actions and not the actions of another.
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It is our flesh that we count as crucified. And by the renewing of our mind we, we put the lusts of >the flesh to death. We crucify the body. That is why we must die daily.> The flesh is not redeemed and will not be until Jesus Returns.
We were all born sinners from the get-go. And by the way, the Lord does
the crucifying (there is no 'we'). You hear what He tells you and you
doing what you are told in your daily life.
"For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live."(Rom 8:13, KJV)

"And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." (Gal 5:24, KJV)

There is much more on this topic. Fasting is one option to taking control of the flesh and letting it know who is boss.
Sin is not what you do, sin is what you are. That is why the fallen
nature, the heart, the old nature MUST be crucified.
"But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?"(Rom 7:23-24, KJV)

Read the 7th chapter for a fuller picture
Your heart is deceiving you about yourself and about me. That does not mean that is your lot in life, unless you allow it. I speak the truth not in the format you like, I grant you that, but what would you expect if what I am speaking the truth??!! Would it be seamless and easy and fit in your paradigm?? Hell no!!!
My heart is no deceiving me for it is of the Lord.

You speak partial truths, partial because you do not have the understandings.

A person who is not born again does not have and indeed cannot have the Spirit of God in them. And those that have not the Spirit of God in them do not in any way shape or form belong to Christ.

"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." (Rom 8:9, KJV)
So you are correct in stating that we are are different planes, and that your understandings are not mine, for the most part. I follow the Lord, where he leads.
You cannot be the righteousness of Christ and still need reproving, instruction in righteousness, correction and indoctrination in the way.
" This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the
Spirit."(Gal 5:16-25, KJV)

Perhaps this will show you the larger picture.
It does not matter if I am the only person on Earth saying it, the truth is still the truth.
If the word of God does not condone what you say, then you are in error, and it is for this reason we are to test the spirits to see whether they be of God, or not.

Satan can present himself as an angel of light to deceive many, which is why he is called the great deceiver. What have you done to "test the spirits"?

"There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."(Pro 16:25, KJV)
Man is not born spiritually/basically/inherently good and then chooses bad (isn't it obvious?), that is a deluded worldly belief.
Of course, for the most part. But for the parents that are Godly, of God, their children are born under that protection and until they reach the age of accountability they are under the same plan that God has for the parents. God has been known to call a child from the womb, the most well known of them is John the Baptist.
Michael Christ
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When are you ever going to learn, Robert, that man was not made
for the
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bible, man was made for a relationship with the Lord...without
ink???!!!
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Is God not able????????????????????????????????????
Michael Christ
You are the same false prophet you always were.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished
unto all good works."(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
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"Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the
Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the
subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a
workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of
truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto
more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is
Hymenaeus and Philetus;"(2Ti 2:14-17, KJV)
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In your case it is your refusal to share the word of God,
Scripture, and tell them they have no need to know these things and as a
result will have nothing to test and try the spirits such as you who
would seek to deny scripture.
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I was hoping you would come back a better man.
You mean like you?? :-)))).
Like you were told...follow your bible directive...hypocrite...
Michal said
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"When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
Otherwise, take your self-righteousness religion and shove it up
your arse.
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Thank you.
Michael Christ
My righteousness is of God Almighty, not of myself. So I cannot
boast about it.
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"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things
are passed away; behold, all things are become new."(2Co 5:17, KJV)
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One that doesn't need reproving and correcting and instruction in
righteousness or one who does?? .
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Be a man.
As I said, I am a spiritual man, I live in this world and in the kingdom of God as well.
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You are a coward who always does a runner.
I have done nothing of the sort.
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Since you are not prepared to humble. 'One who does not need changing
anymore'. A new creature never has to repent, the old has passed away,
and all things are become new.
You are without understanding here.
Post by Robert
He's born again.
He cannot be in that state until AFTER being born again, of God.
Post by Robert
The righteousness of God does not repent, does not need 'doctrine,
reproof, correction, instruction in righteousness'. Why?
Because he was...and WAS MADE the righteousness of Christ.
He was made the righteousness of God, God the Father. Yet you still understand not the things of God, how and in what he operates.
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Michael Christ
PS You are stuck in religion sinner justifying doctrine, Buddy. Seated
in Christ Jesus in heavenly places is not a sinner claiming the
righteousness of Christ (e.g. Sproul, Zacharias), there are only those
who are sinless, pure, holy, without spot or blemish, a 'white as snow'
bride that THE LORD RAISED UP in them in Him.
And you are not in that position. Your mind is full of corruption.
Post by Robert
A sinner is a sinner is a sinner and THE WAGES OF A SINNER IS DEATH,
practicing and peccadillo and so called non-practicing (rubbish
religious talk) sinner alike!
Yes, a sinner who walks in sin, is a sinner.
A sinner who sits is a sinner, Buddy. A sinner is a sinner is a sinner!!!
And no religious theology is ever going to change that.
Like D-uh! You don't have to be that emphatic when you are agreeing with me.
Sin is not what you do, it...is...what...you...are.
You cannot prove that. A sinner is one who commits sins. Like when you lie about me. A person becomes a sinner after their first sin.
No, no, no! Wrong, wrong, wrong!!
That is...delusion!!! We were all BORN in sin, SPIRITUALLY corrupt.
Me, myself, I! Right from the get-go and it doesn't take very long to
materialize.
"(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."(Rom 5:13, KJV)
Not inputed. The Jews were were under the law, later on, but not the Gentiles.
Sin is not what you do, it...is...what...you...are. That is why you
must die, be crucified...spiritually.
"But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead."(Rom 7:8, KJV)
"For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died."(Rom 7:9, KJV)
Jesus, had he broken the Mosaic law would have sinned. Then none of this would have happened. But he kept the whole law and fulfilled it. Jesus was tempted by Satan, even offering Jesus the whole world which he came to die for. Satan new the suffering Jesus was going to have to go through, and he since Jesus knew what was set before hmmm he tempted Jesus with and easy way to reclaim the whole earth and all that was in it.
Satan knew the weak points of humankind and here he had Jesus at his weakest having set aside all his godly powers to be born as a human. Had Jesus fallen for that 'apple' offered him as the second Adam we would all have been doomed, I wouldn't even want to speculate the outcome of that, but in every event Jesus sinned not and thus fulfilled the law and completed it with the sacrifice of his own body.
Babies die and go to heaven without committing any sin. So you just might want to reconsider your doctrine of men and seek the doctrines of Jesus.
This is shallow religious sinner ignorant worldly nonsense...
You wrote, "Yes, a sinner who walks in sin, is a sinner."
A sinner is a sinner even if he/she sits and does nothing for the rest
of their lives...the human heart is corrupt above all things!! It is
not good, it is unclean.
To do nothing is a sin. But I get the point of what you are trying to say. But until one has knowingly sinned, that are not a sinner, how can they be if sin is not imputed to their account?
The Lord must create a clean heart, a new heart; the old must be crucified.
The flesh must be crucified. Again, you can read all about it in Romans.
Michael Christ
PS If there was one molecule in our spiritual being at our birth that
was pure and holy and in-corrupt then God had something on which to
build and the Lord Jesus wouldn't have needed to go to the cross.
PPS You should know these things if you were everything you say and
think you are!!
When Adam fell, he gave up his domino over all things in the earth to Satan, and Satan became the
god of this earth, the destroyer.
Our flesh is where lust resides and acted upon we then sin.
No, it is in the heart/the spirit (for example...Matt 5:27-28). The
heart is corrupt in man above all things. Why do you think Job repented
in dust and ashes? That is what Peter learned when the cock crowed twice.
Matthew does not say that at all, if fact it was the lust of the flesh dwelt on is the same thing as physical actions and has already committed the sin in his heart.
Don't forget, a persons heart who is not born again is already separated from God due to the fall of Adam.
We were all born with corrupt spirits, fallen beings, sinners, sons of
Adam...a sinner. Me included!
Yes, and while we are all born into a sin filled earth, we have not sinned until we sin. And yes, all men will sin when yielding to their corrupt fleshly desire. The eye is a source of lust.
Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately
wicked: who can know it?
Yes, without God in their lives. Read the verses surrounding that and see what the Lord does. Also,...
We were all BORN sinners!
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"But ye have not so learned Christ; If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: Neither give place to the devil."(Eph 4:20-27, KJV)
Again I say...
PS If there was one molecule in our spiritual being at our birth that
was pure and holy and in-corrupt then God had something on which to
build and the Lord Jesus wouldn't have needed to go to the cross.
You have said that before, and yes we are born into a world of sin, but we are all held accountable for our own personal actions and not the actions of another.
Post by Robert
It is our flesh that we count as crucified. And by the renewing of our mind we, we put the lusts of >the flesh to death. We crucify the body. That is why we must die daily.> The flesh is not redeemed and will not be until Jesus Returns.
We were all born sinners from the get-go. And by the way, the Lord does
the crucifying (there is no 'we'). You hear what He tells you and you
doing what you are told in your daily life.
"For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live."(Rom 8:13, KJV)
"And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." (Gal 5:24, KJV)
There is much more on this topic. Fasting is one option to taking control of the flesh and letting it know who is boss.
Sin is not what you do, sin is what you are. That is why the fallen
nature, the heart, the old nature MUST be crucified.
"But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?"(Rom 7:23-24, KJV)
Read the 7th chapter for a fuller picture
Your heart is deceiving you about yourself and about me. That does not mean that is your lot in life, unless you allow it. I speak the truth not in the format you like, I grant you that, but what would you expect if what I am speaking the truth??!! Would it be seamless and easy and fit in your paradigm?? Hell no!!!
My heart is no deceiving me for it is of the Lord.
You speak partial truths, partial because you do not have the understandings.
A person who is not born again does not have and indeed cannot have the Spirit of God in them. And those that have not the Spirit of God in them do not in any way shape or form belong to Christ.
"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." (Rom 8:9, KJV)
So you are correct in stating that we are are different planes, and that your understandings are not mine, for the most part. I follow the Lord, where he leads.
You cannot be the righteousness of Christ and still need reproving, instruction in righteousness, correction and indoctrination in the way.
" This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the
Spirit."(Gal 5:16-25, KJV)
Perhaps this will show you the larger picture.
It does not matter if I am the only person on Earth saying it, the truth is still the truth.
If the word of God does not condone what you say, then you are in error, and it is for this reason we are to test the spirits to see whether they be of God, or not.
Satan can present himself as an angel of light to deceive many, which is why he is called the great deceiver. What have you done to "test the spirits"?
"There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."(Pro 16:25, KJV)
Man is not born spiritually/basically/inherently good and then chooses bad (isn't it obvious?), that is a deluded worldly belief.
Of course, for the most part.
'For the most part'???? It is or it isn't. It's a yes or no. There is
no compromise with truth.
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But for the parents that are Godly, of God, their children are born under that protection and until they reach the age of accountability they are under the same plan that God has for the parents. God has been known to call a child from the womb, the most well known of them is John the Baptist.
Every life is accountable under God by his/her own merits. God is not a
respecter of persons. Let Him worry about the babies. I've thought
about the babies/little ones and even though I can't give you any of
your bible references, I am content with what God has given me and that
is He is able to take the spirit He put in that baby that died and place
it in another...if He chooses. As I said, that is just what I have
personally received from Him...it is mine alone as far as I know. I
can't speak for others.

Now, the carnal fallen heart (e.g. the one that commits adultery with a
look). Does the physical eyeball think evil, no, it comes from the
heart...the fallen spiritual state of man of this world.

We were all born in sin, with sin, as sin, sinners and you are
saying...'we have not sinned until we sin.'

That is a not the truth!!! If you can't get this fundamental reality
right, you end up drawing your thoughts and theology from what is mere
human standards. From there it is all down rabbit holes with
theology...as indeed it is.



***Sin is not what you do, it is what you are and we were all born
sinners without so much as lifting a finger.*** You have to get that.



It is not going to change, you have to change. Be corrected, be
reproved, be instructed in righteousness, search it out, pray it out,
call on the Lord and live by the scriptures you appear to quote and exalt.

Who else would the Lord use, someone who appears glorious to you,
immersed in your type religious theology?? :-). Ummmm, nope! Double
nope!! :-). Someone who reviles you, or something that reviles you, is
typical because it creates the irritation that produces the pearl.

You have to choose whether to humble or not; what's the most important
to you? The truth or your own truth?? Forget about everything
else...get this...

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are and we were all born sinners
without so much as lifting a finger."




Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
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When are you ever going to learn, Robert, that man was not made
for the
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bible, man was made for a relationship with the Lord...without
ink???!!!
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Is God not able????????????????????????????????????
Michael Christ
You are the same false prophet you always were.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished
unto all good works."(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
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"Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the
Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the
subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a
workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of
truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto
more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is
Hymenaeus and Philetus;"(2Ti 2:14-17, KJV)
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In your case it is your refusal to share the word of God,
Scripture, and tell them they have no need to know these things and as a
result will have nothing to test and try the spirits such as you who
would seek to deny scripture.
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I was hoping you would come back a better man.
You mean like you?? :-)))).
Like you were told...follow your bible directive...hypocrite...
Michal said
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"When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
Otherwise, take your self-righteousness religion and shove it up
your arse.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Robert
Thank you.
Michael Christ
My righteousness is of God Almighty, not of myself. So I cannot
boast about it.
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"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things
are passed away; behold, all things are become new."(2Co 5:17, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
One that doesn't need reproving and correcting and instruction in
righteousness or one who does?? .
Post by Michael Christ
Be a man.
As I said, I am a spiritual man, I live in this world and in the kingdom of God as well.
Post by Robert
You are a coward who always does a runner.
I have done nothing of the sort.
Post by Robert
Since you are not prepared to humble. 'One who does not need changing
anymore'. A new creature never has to repent, the old has passed away,
and all things are become new.
You are without understanding here.
Post by Robert
He's born again.
He cannot be in that state until AFTER being born again, of God.
Post by Robert
The righteousness of God does not repent, does not need 'doctrine,
reproof, correction, instruction in righteousness'. Why?
Because he was...and WAS MADE the righteousness of Christ.
He was made the righteousness of God, God the Father. Yet you still understand not the things of God, how and in what he operates.
Post by Robert
Michael Christ
PS You are stuck in religion sinner justifying doctrine, Buddy. Seated
in Christ Jesus in heavenly places is not a sinner claiming the
righteousness of Christ (e.g. Sproul, Zacharias), there are only those
who are sinless, pure, holy, without spot or blemish, a 'white as snow'
bride that THE LORD RAISED UP in them in Him.
And you are not in that position. Your mind is full of corruption.
Post by Robert
A sinner is a sinner is a sinner and THE WAGES OF A SINNER IS DEATH,
practicing and peccadillo and so called non-practicing (rubbish
religious talk) sinner alike!
Yes, a sinner who walks in sin, is a sinner.
A sinner who sits is a sinner, Buddy. A sinner is a sinner is a sinner!!!
And no religious theology is ever going to change that.
Like D-uh! You don't have to be that emphatic when you are agreeing with me.
Sin is not what you do, it...is...what...you...are.
You cannot prove that. A sinner is one who commits sins. Like when you lie about me. A person becomes a sinner after their first sin.
No, no, no! Wrong, wrong, wrong!!
That is...delusion!!! We were all BORN in sin, SPIRITUALLY corrupt.
Me, myself, I! Right from the get-go and it doesn't take very long to
materialize.
"(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."(Rom 5:13, KJV)
Not inputed. The Jews were were under the law, later on, but not the Gentiles.
Sin is not what you do, it...is...what...you...are. That is why you
must die, be crucified...spiritually.
"But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead."(Rom 7:8, KJV)
"For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died."(Rom 7:9, KJV)
Jesus, had he broken the Mosaic law would have sinned. Then none of this would have happened. But he kept the whole law and fulfilled it. Jesus was tempted by Satan, even offering Jesus the whole world which he came to die for. Satan new the suffering Jesus was going to have to go through, and he since Jesus knew what was set before hmmm he tempted Jesus with and easy way to reclaim the whole earth and all that was in it.
Satan knew the weak points of humankind and here he had Jesus at his weakest having set aside all his godly powers to be born as a human. Had Jesus fallen for that 'apple' offered him as the second Adam we would all have been doomed, I wouldn't even want to speculate the outcome of that, but in every event Jesus sinned not and thus fulfilled the law and completed it with the sacrifice of his own body.
Babies die and go to heaven without committing any sin. So you just might want to reconsider your doctrine of men and seek the doctrines of Jesus.
This is shallow religious sinner ignorant worldly nonsense...
You wrote, "Yes, a sinner who walks in sin, is a sinner."
A sinner is a sinner even if he/she sits and does nothing for the rest
of their lives...the human heart is corrupt above all things!! It is
not good, it is unclean.
To do nothing is a sin. But I get the point of what you are trying to say. But until one has knowingly sinned, that are not a sinner, how can they be if sin is not imputed to their account?
The Lord must create a clean heart, a new heart; the old must be crucified.
The flesh must be crucified. Again, you can read all about it in Romans.
Michael Christ
PS If there was one molecule in our spiritual being at our birth that
was pure and holy and in-corrupt then God had something on which to
build and the Lord Jesus wouldn't have needed to go to the cross.
PPS You should know these things if you were everything you say and
think you are!!
When Adam fell, he gave up his domino over all things in the earth to Satan, and Satan became the
god of this earth, the destroyer.
Our flesh is where lust resides and acted upon we then sin.
No, it is in the heart/the spirit (for example...Matt 5:27-28). The
heart is corrupt in man above all things. Why do you think Job repented
in dust and ashes? That is what Peter learned when the cock crowed twice.
Matthew does not say that at all, if fact it was the lust of the flesh dwelt on is the same thing as physical actions and has already committed the sin in his heart.
Don't forget, a persons heart who is not born again is already separated from God due to the fall of Adam.
We were all born with corrupt spirits, fallen beings, sinners, sons of
Adam...a sinner. Me included!
Yes, and while we are all born into a sin filled earth, we have not sinned until we sin. And yes, all men will sin when yielding to their corrupt fleshly desire. The eye is a source of lust.
Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately
wicked: who can know it?
Yes, without God in their lives. Read the verses surrounding that and see what the Lord does. Also,...
We were all BORN sinners!
Do you mean to say that as soon as you were born that you started sinning?
What, pray tell could you do as an infant that condemned you to eternal death?
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"But ye have not so learned Christ; If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: Neither give place to the devil."(Eph 4:20-27, KJV)
Again I say...
PS If there was one molecule in our spiritual being at our birth that
was pure and holy and in-corrupt then God had something on which to
build and the Lord Jesus wouldn't have needed to go to the cross.
You have said that before, and yes we are born into a world of sin, but we are all held accountable for our own personal actions and not the actions of another.
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It is our flesh that we count as crucified. And by the renewing of our mind we, we put the lusts of >the flesh to death. We crucify the body. That is why we must die daily.> The flesh is not redeemed and will not be until Jesus Returns.
We were all born sinners from the get-go. And by the way, the Lord does
the crucifying (there is no 'we'). You hear what He tells you and you
doing what you are told in your daily life.
"For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live."(Rom 8:13, KJV)
"And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." (Gal 5:24, KJV)
There is much more on this topic. Fasting is one option to taking control of the flesh and letting it know who is boss.
Sin is not what you do, sin is what you are. That is why the fallen
nature, the heart, the old nature MUST be crucified.
"But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?"(Rom 7:23-24, KJV)
Read the 7th chapter for a fuller picture
Your heart is deceiving you about yourself and about me. That does not mean that is your lot in life, unless you allow it. I speak the truth not in the format you like, I grant you that, but what would you expect if what I am speaking the truth??!! Would it be seamless and easy and fit in your paradigm?? Hell no!!!
My heart is no deceiving me for it is of the Lord.
You speak partial truths, partial because you do not have the understandings.
A person who is not born again does not have and indeed cannot have the Spirit of God in them. And those that have not the Spirit of God in them do not in any way shape or form belong to Christ.
"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." (Rom 8:9, KJV)
So you are correct in stating that we are are different planes, and that your understandings are not mine, for the most part. I follow the Lord, where he leads.
You cannot be the righteousness of Christ and still need reproving, instruction in righteousness, correction and indoctrination in the way.
" This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the
Spirit."(Gal 5:16-25, KJV)
Perhaps this will show you the larger picture.
It does not matter if I am the only person on Earth saying it, the truth is still the truth.
If the word of God does not condone what you say, then you are in error, and it is for this reason we are to test the spirits to see whether they be of God, or not.
Satan can present himself as an angel of light to deceive many, which is why he is called the great deceiver. What have you done to "test the spirits"?
"There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."(Pro 16:25, KJV)
Man is not born spiritually/basically/inherently good and then chooses bad (isn't it obvious?), that is a deluded worldly belief.
Of course, for the most part.
'For the most part'???? It is or it isn't. It's a yes or no. There is
no compromise with truth.
Until one commits their first knowing sin, they have not sinned. Is there a strong likelihood that they will sin? Of course. All men will sin, but until they sin they are not sinners, just babes in a fallen world. Even if the baby were to have been sodomized they did not sin.
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But for the parents that are Godly, of God, their children are born under that protection and until they reach the age of accountability they are under the same plan that God has for the parents. God has been known to call a child from the womb, the most well known of them is John the Baptist.
Every life is accountable under God by his/her own merits. God is not a
respecter of persons. Let Him worry about the babies. I've thought
about the babies/little ones and even though I can't give you any of
your bible references, I am content with what God has given me and that
is He is able to take the spirit He put in that baby that died and place
it in another...if He chooses. As I said, that is just what I have
personally received from Him...it is mine alone as far as I know. I
can't speak for others.
I believe that you honestly believe that. But it is wrong as far as it goes to implanting/reincarnating the dead infants spirit into another body if they died prematurely, or from a disease, etc.

It is appointed unto man to die "ONCE" Not over and over again. The second death is in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone.

What you received is erroneous, and I do not doubt that you received it, but this is why scripture says we are to test and try the spirits to see if they are of God. God is not miffed if someone wants to be certain of where they are getting their truth from. Satan OTH......
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Now, the carnal fallen heart (e.g. the one that commits adultery with a
look). Does the physical eyeball think evil, no, it comes from the
heart...the fallen spiritual state of man of this world.
The eye introduces the picture, or imagination to the flesh and lust conceived corrupts the heart of man.
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We were all born in sin, with sin, as sin, sinners and you are
saying...'we have not sinned until we sin.'
The sex act by parents is not sin, nor is it sinful in any way. But when you are born you are born into THIS sinful world, with Satan as its God. So just what sin have you committed by being born?
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That is a not the truth!!! If you can't get this fundamental reality
right, you end up drawing your thoughts and theology from what is mere
human standards. From there it is all down rabbit holes with
theology...as indeed it is.
I agree that theology sucks, it is man made most of the time. Like yours.
In any event, show us the first sin that is common to the downfall of all men, if there be one.
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***Sin is not what you do, it is what you are and we were all born
sinners without so much as lifting a finger.*** You have to get that.
Sin is in all unrighteous acts. Sin is missing the mark. Sin is simply omitting to do what is right.

Jesus did not die to forgive you from being born in this world.
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It is not going to change, you have to change. Be corrected, be
reproved, be instructed in righteousness, search it out, pray it out,
call on the Lord and live by the scriptures you appear to quote and exalt.
A sinner cannot "pray it out" God does not hear their prayers. When Jesus forgives you it is not necessary to pray it out. He died for our sins 2,000 years ago. The price was paid in full, not in installment plans. In fact Jesus forgives us before we put our repentance into action.
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Who else would the Lord use, someone who appears glorious to you,
immersed in your type religious theology?? :-). Ummmm, nope! Double
nope!! :-). Someone who reviles you, or something that reviles you, is
typical because it creates the irritation that produces the pearl.
Jesus is the pearl of great price. You try to inflict religion and theology of man onto me, yet you have no knowledge of who I am. You labor under false pretenses.
You lack the spiritual insight.
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You have to choose whether to humble or not; what's the most important
to you? The truth or your own truth?? Forget about everything
else...get this...
"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are and we were all born sinners
without so much as lifting a finger."
Sin is what you do that is opposed to what God the Father desires that you do. Sin is not being Born Again as Jesus Commanded. Sin is knowing to do right, but not doing it.

Sinners live in a constant state of sinning. Coveting things of this world is a sin.
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Apologies, I have been busy with spiritual duties and endeavours.

Firstly, after the recent birth of my friend's baby boy, I have been in
attendance at the local Hindu shrine inquiring of its Pujari as to
whether it is the child's 56th or 57th reincarnation.

Prospects are looking good at this stage for the 57th, as the 56th
reincarnation is believed to be that of a buffalo and the buffalo had
been a good buffalo. Hence the elevation to human; the boy has been
named, Buffalo Bill, the 'bill' bit being the fee the Hindu Pujari charged.

Also, I have been deeply involved in a physical exercise enterprise.
Seeking to find a bible wherever I can, I have been vigorously hurling
bibles out of windows. Presently, the record is 47 feet, 2 inches and I
hope to break the 50 foot barrier by late next week. Biceps looking good!

However, pertinent to my recent Robert theological learning, I have
undertaken to secure numerous parent's permission to take in hand their
newborns to prevent the newborn from doing a sin. Thus preserving the
pure, holy, untainted, perfect spiritual sinless condition of their
offspring.

Breaking: Now for the unveiling of what is being referred to as 'The
Back-up Saviour Directives' whereby if something was to go amiss with
the Lord Jesus Christ as Saviour we would have a human-fathered Saviour
as a sacrifice for our ongoing sinning/mistakes/peccadilloes.

Of course, these newly prevented-from-sin babies have no need for the
Lord Jesus Christ as Saviour because they never did a sin, their natural
human purity having been preserved. Glory! The Lord is thankful for my
pursuit of this good work as someone else can share His Saviour load
and has the great potential give Him a bit of a holiday.

Personally, to be open and honest, this undertaking has ensured for me a
bonus in heaven for my good work; I'm thinking something high up in
public relations and some missionary position for the erection of
further Hindu and Buddhist (best to have an each way bet, if you know
what I mean) restaurants.




Sir Michael Christ (recently knighted by the JW, Morman, Catholic,
Protestant Affiliation Church who meet nightly on the 3rd Monday of
every month AKA The Nightly Knight Order).
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
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2020-08-17 11:46:51 UTC
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Apologies, I have been busy with spiritual duties and endeavours.
Firstly, after the recent birth of my friend's baby boy, I have been in
attendance at the local Hindu shrine inquiring of its Pujari as to
whether it is the child's 56th or 57th reincarnation.
Do you really think anyone here gives a shit?

Michael Christ
2020-08-16 00:42:11 UTC
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Reminded to say, Romans 7 is about the physical flesh (that is all), not
spiritual nature.

The physical 'body of death', 'that is, in my flesh'. Paul is talking
about his *physical body* limitations. Most religions/sinners try to
use Romans 7 to justify their spiritual state of sin. No surprise there.

Paul's inward man (spirit) drove him to write all his letters and go
through all that he went through as a servant/a slave to the Lord Jesus
Christ was more than a conqueror to the limitations of his flesh (e.g.
thorn).

Unless you think, Paul was a servant of sin according to the you-version
of Romans 7?? :-). Now that would serve your religions well in their
sin, wouldn't it!

And they think it does.

Rom 7:20  Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but
sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21  I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present
with me.

For example, yes, he must sleep (a physical law)! He can't just
continue for the sake of the gospel, he must rest!

Wonderful what the Lord was able to raise up in Paul. Praise the Lord.



Michael Christ
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Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
Robert
2020-08-16 07:36:08 UTC
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Reminded to say, Romans 7 is about the physical flesh (that is all), not
spiritual nature.
The physical 'body of death', 'that is, in my flesh'. Paul is talking
about his *physical body* limitations. Most religions/sinners try to
use Romans 7 to justify their spiritual state of sin. No surprise there.
Paul's inward man (spirit) drove him to write all his letters and go
through all that he went through as a servant/a slave to the Lord Jesus
Christ was more than a conqueror to the limitations of his flesh (e.g.
thorn).
Unless you think, Paul was a servant of sin according to the you-version
of Romans 7?? :-). Now that would serve your religions well in their
sin, wouldn't it!
And they think it does.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but
sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present
with me.
For example, yes, he must sleep (a physical law)! He can't just
continue for the sake of the gospel, he must rest!
Wonderful what the Lord was able to raise up in Paul. Praise the Lord.
Michael Christ
"O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin." (Rom 7:24-25, KJV)

Paul answered this in Chapter 8

" There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God."(Rom 8:1-8, KJV)

Rather than respond to your "rote" I am going to answer that by these scriptures as I did the last time you repeated what you said here. The chapter/verse system was never in the original scripture and whoever set this up made mistakes like what occurred here between these two chapters. Wherein chapter 8 was the continuing thought from the preceding chapter.

Here in these verses if you re read them all, you will see Paul speaking of the mind, the flesh, and walking in The spirit. (Ones born again spirit) This needs to be understood in order for the believer to see how God operates in our lives. This shows what Jesus pointed out, Body, Soul, and Spirit of man.
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When are you ever going to learn, Robert, that man was not made
for the
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bible, man was made for a relationship with the Lord...without
ink???!!!
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Is God not able????????????????????????????????????
Michael Christ
You are the same false prophet you always were.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished
unto all good works."(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
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"Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the
Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the
subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a
workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of
truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto
more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is
Hymenaeus and Philetus;"(2Ti 2:14-17, KJV)
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In your case it is your refusal to share the word of God,
Scripture, and tell them they have no need to know these things and as a
result will have nothing to test and try the spirits such as you who
would seek to deny scripture.
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I was hoping you would come back a better man.
You mean like you?? :-)))).
Like you were told...follow your bible directive...hypocrite...
Michal said
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"When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
Otherwise, take your self-righteousness religion and shove it up
your arse.
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Thank you.
Michael Christ
My righteousness is of God Almighty, not of myself. So I cannot
boast about it.
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"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things
are passed away; behold, all things are become new."(2Co 5:17, KJV)
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One that doesn't need reproving and correcting and instruction in
righteousness or one who does?? .
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Be a man.
As I said, I am a spiritual man, I live in this world and in the kingdom of God as well.
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You are a coward who always does a runner.
I have done nothing of the sort.
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Since you are not prepared to humble. 'One who does not need changing
anymore'. A new creature never has to repent, the old has passed away,
and all things are become new.
You are without understanding here.
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He's born again.
He cannot be in that state until AFTER being born again, of God.
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The righteousness of God does not repent, does not need 'doctrine,
reproof, correction, instruction in righteousness'. Why?
Because he was...and WAS MADE the righteousness of Christ.
He was made the righteousness of God, God the Father. Yet you still understand not the things of God, how and in what he operates.
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Michael Christ
PS You are stuck in religion sinner justifying doctrine, Buddy. Seated
in Christ Jesus in heavenly places is not a sinner claiming the
righteousness of Christ (e.g. Sproul, Zacharias), there are only those
who are sinless, pure, holy, without spot or blemish, a 'white as snow'
bride that THE LORD RAISED UP in them in Him.
And you are not in that position. Your mind is full of corruption.
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A sinner is a sinner is a sinner and THE WAGES OF A SINNER IS DEATH,
practicing and peccadillo and so called non-practicing (rubbish
religious talk) sinner alike!
Yes, a sinner who walks in sin, is a sinner.
A sinner who sits is a sinner, Buddy. A sinner is a sinner is a sinner!!!
And no religious theology is ever going to change that.
Like D-uh! You don't have to be that emphatic when you are agreeing with me.
Sin is not what you do, it...is...what...you...are.
You cannot prove that. A sinner is one who commits sins. Like when you lie about me. A person becomes a sinner after their first sin.
No, no, no! Wrong, wrong, wrong!!
That is...delusion!!! We were all BORN in sin, SPIRITUALLY corrupt.
Me, myself, I! Right from the get-go and it doesn't take very long to
materialize.
"(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."(Rom 5:13, KJV)
Not inputed. The Jews were were under the law, later on, but not the Gentiles.
Gentiles worshipped fake gods like golden calves, rocks, trees, statues, etc. Of
course they were not under the law UNTIL they became jews or Christians..
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Sin is not what you do, it...is...what...you...are. That is why you
must die, be crucified...spiritually.
"But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead."(Rom 7:8, KJV)
"For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died."(Rom 7:9, KJV)
You were a gentile?
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Jesus, had he broken the Mosaic law would have sinned. Then none of this would have happened. But he kept the whole law and fulfilled it. Jesus was tempted by Satan, even offering Jesus the whole world which he came to die for. Satan new the suffering Jesus was going to have to go through, and he since Jesus knew what was set before hmmm he tempted Jesus with and easy way to reclaim the whole earth and all that was in it.
He didn't. Plain and simple. So "what if" doesn't count.
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Babies die and go to heaven without committing any sin. So you just might want to reconsider your doctrine of men and seek the doctrines of Jesus.
That's a lie. Revelation 21:27 says NO. We Catholics used to claim limbo, but
there is no evidence of such, just human reasoning.
the dukester, American-American
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A sinner who sits is a sinner, Buddy. A sinner is a sinner is a sinner!!!
And no religious theology is ever going to change that.
But you can be forgiven and absolved in the Sacrament of Confession. ThaNks be
to God I am a Roman Catholic.
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Like D-uh! You don't have to be that emphatic when you are agreeing with me.
Sin is not what you do, it...is...what...you...are.
You cannot prove that. A sinner is one who commits sins. Like when you lie about me. A person becomes a sinner after their first sin.
We're all sinners. Only Jesus never sinned. Heb 4:15.
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That is why you have to DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The reason you die is because of the Fall of Adam it was appointed to man once to die. Your body is corrupted and as a result it cannot live in heaven.
Wrong. The reason you die is because your body is only good for a hundred years
or so. The reason you sin is because you prefer evil to good.
the dukester, American-American
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As I said, I am a spiritual man, I live in this world and in the kingdom of God as well.
You haven't died yet.
the dukester, American-American
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"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."(Rom 12:1-2, KJV)
"But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;"(Tit 3:4-6, KJV)
Now you accept washing in regenreation as Christian baptism. About time.
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You see, it has nothing to do with "being a man". Once we are born again and made a new creation we are to renew our minds, without which we will not be able to control the lusts of the flesh. As an example, those that are given to quick anger, and then speak with a filthy mouth in order to exude the power of self over others are in need of reproval, without a transformed mind one will soon be walking in the old ways of the flesh and for that sake will have fallen away.
Born again ==> regenreation.
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Be a spiritual man.
James 2:14-26 New International Version (NIV)
Faith and Deeds
14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but
has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is
without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace;
keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good
is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action,
is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”

Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19
You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and
shudder.

20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is
useless[a]? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did
when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his
actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.
23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was
credited to him as righteousness,”[b] and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see
that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for
what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different
direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is
dead.
the dukester, American-American
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Robert and Greg can suck a watermelon through a garden
hose.
Isn't it amazing that Christ died even for you, that you
sins can
be
forgiven and that you too can have a new life through
Jesus Christ?
What sins are those? Prove anyone here ever murdered or
did anything
to
offend a deity that no one's ever met.
What we do know. Fear, guilt and authoritarianism are
good ways to
control
people.
Yes, that is correct, and it is not the way of God, it is
the way of
evil
men, so why are you sowing fear?
What fear? And I'm not a self-centred narcissist like your
Bible version
of
'God'.
You most certainly are. Look how you tout your beliefs, your
good works
helping others to believe and seek your truths.
Can you save anyone from eternal destruction? Turn anyones
life around as
if they were a new man?
Where am I touting doctrines/books? Where am I promoting worship? I'm
helping people to think and see the light of day and question
old dogmas.
Dogmas can be pro or against. You are stating your own
personal dogma as well as your doctrines. You are attempting
to "save" people from their personal salvation and to do
things your way. The way of the Destroyer, whether a willing
accomplice or not. You attempt to be certain of what you say,
but there is always the doubts. If you are wrong, and I know
you are, and you were to change a person from belief to
unbelief, then when you see them in the Lake of Fire and
Brimstone do you assume they will be bonded to you and rejoice
that you are correct? Will you laugh at their stupidity to
have given up all that is good to be as you chose, or should
you just take the chance and let people be what they desire to
be since you have no knowledge of the future?
"Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you?
let him shew
out of
a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But
if ye have
bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not
against
the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly,
sensual,
devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is
confusion and every
evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then
peaceable,
gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits,
without
partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of
righteousness is
sown
in peace of them that make peace."(Jas 3:13-18, KJV)
If we are made in the image of a good God then we will have lots of
wisdom,
and many people throughout history have. And a good God
would be proud of
us
that we are like him.
You neglect the elephant in the room called Satan who deceived and
corrupted the entire world.
Corrupting and destroying our built in morals, mental
capabilities, etc.
Yet those that have escaped the evil and chose to follow God
all exhibit
the characteristics you speak of.
Who created Satan and neglected to tell everyone to beware of his lies?
God created Lucifer who then was found to have sin in him, the
sin of pride, false pride.
Who neglected this world for millennia letting it go rotten?
No one. The world and all that was in it was given to men, to
have dominion over all things, they chose to give it up. It
was their responsibility not God's.
Who ignored people's prayers to help us defeat Satan?
No one. Satan has already been defeated. You who are
unspiritual, meaning without God in your life, are that way by
your choice, you refused the power to defeat Satans actions
and temptations in your life.
If humans had built in morals then Adam and Eve wouldn't have
obeyed Satan
like a pair of zombies.
They did not act like zombies, who are you trying to kid? Eve
was deceived by the words of Satan, and fell gullible to the
words like you present about anti-God. Adam did what he did by
choice, he willingly sinned.
You haven't thought out any of this properly at all.
Perhaps by your non-spiritual thinking, but I have had RL
experiences with God, and interact with God by His Holy Spirit
in my life. I know of His realities, and have much more to see
and know. I have a life without limits and the more I walk
with Him the more I have cause to Praise Him. And Praise him I
do.
But if we don't then he just made a bunch of zombies that
can do nothing
of
value in themselves. Did God just make a bunch of zombies
and lemmings
who
can only sin and need to be controlled, monitored, demeaned and
threatened
all their lives? Such silliness Christians believe.
Satan is the one who turned you into your zombie world. He
implants an idea
into your head and you follow it, even enhancing if as a
newly discovered
truths and a way out of carnal knowledge.
I'm not the unthinking zombie. I'm moral and spiritual without being
threatened to follow a callous blood desiring god figure from a book.
You are dead to God spiritually and alive to Satan by your
choice. And that life is death forever, IOW's total separation
from God and everything that is kind and good. Your vain
imaginations of who God is, is false and without foundation,
you made an unwise choice and were deceived because you did
not do the research regarding all this by yourself. You were
gullible, took the words of others and believed them.
As have you. Stop pointing fingers and start trying to understand.
I do understand as I came from a life of sin unto Jesus Christ
the Lord. I am and did not fingerprint, I described his current
spiritual state and I speak with understanding
You were given a religious view, and listened to the thoughts going on
in your head, never once taking the time to thoroughly review what is
written and ask the author of the Bible what it all means.
Yes, I was given a viewpoint, and as I have told everyone here
several times, I sought God about when I was about 13 years old.
He answered me then but foolishly postponed my decision to live
for him. He reminded me of it over the years and the experience
is and was burned into my mind and understanding. Sadly it
wasn't until I was around 32 or so that I was in a desperate
situation and then it was that I cried out for his deliverance
and help. Again, he answered my cry, prayer, or whatever you
wish to call it. At that point he changed me from the inside
out. It was obvious to my friends and associates in the days
that followed and I have not looked back. And I still grow in
the Lord. I ask for his understandings as well as his help always.
Who is the author of the Bible? Men, that's who.
Then you might as well do as Michael Mclean did and throw away
your bible. It will be of no use to you if that is your final
determination.
Scripture says,...
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works." (2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
-).
This is the Robert translation...
(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
'All scripture is given to me (Robert) to interpret as I see fit and is
profitable for my personal religious beliefs, for correcting those who
are at odds with my doctrine, for reproving those who flout my
understanding and for instructing others in my righteousness. That I
may be revered, and those who drink my religion are thoroughly furnished
unto all my ways.'
Amen.
Here is the truth, you can't walk in the Spirit of Truth so you have to
rely on your intellect.
Not enough, Buddy.
Look at the word 'That' in your quote. You do this so that 'that' can
happen. You still need to be indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness because you still walk in your sin.
It is crystal clear, no excuses.
You can't put your bible down because you are not cleansed of all
unrighteousness and are unable to walk in the earth and the fullness
thereof in the Spirit with the Lord. You need power from above, Buddy.
Not my fault.
Michael Christ
I did not say anything was your fault, in this post or thread.
Never inferred it either.
It is your own fault, that is why. You are still stuck in your
man-centred theology, Buddy.
Post by Robert
As to my walk with the Lord and in the spirit you have no
knowledge to support your statements.
There is a move of God on the way of fulfilling what has already
started. Jesus will reveal himself through his people and the
gates of hell cannot contain the actions of His people.
All the trivial denominational and religious talk here on the
Usenet will pale behind the revelations of the Lord, you can
either be a part of it or be left by the wayside.
The same for all of us
As per your bible quote mandate imposes on you...
When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Until then keep your self-righteous religious un-thoroughly furnished
dogma-jargon abuse to yourself. Thanks.
When are you ever going to learn, Robert, that man was not made for the
bible, man was made for a relationship with the Lord...without ink???!!!
Is God not able????????????????????????????????????
Michael Christ
You are the same false prophet you always were.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works."(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
"Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the
Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the
subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word
of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will
increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a
canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;"(2Ti 2:14-17, KJV)
In your case it is your refusal to share the word of God, Scripture,
and tell them they have no need to know these things and as a result
will have nothing to test and try the spirits such as you who would
seek to deny scripture.
I was hoping you would come back a better man.
You mean like you?? :-)))).
Like you were told...follow your bible directive...hypocrite...
"When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
Otherwise, take your self-righteousness religion and shove it up your arse.
Thank you.
Michael Christ
My righteousness is of God Almighty, not of myself. So I cannot boast about it.
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things
are passed away; behold, all things are become new."(2Co 5:17, KJV)
One that doesn't need reproving and correcting and instruction in
righteousness or one who does??  :-).
Be a man.
You are a coward who always does a runner.

Since you are not prepared to humble. 'One who does not need changing
anymore'. A new creature never has to repent, the old has passed away,
and all things are become new.

He's born again.

The righteousness of God does not repent, does not need 'doctrine,
reproof, correction, instruction in righteousness'. Why?

Because he was...and WAS MADE the righteousness of Christ.





Michael Christ

PS You are stuck in religion sinner justifying doctrine, Buddy. Seated
in Christ Jesus in heavenly places is not a sinner claiming the
righteousness of Christ (e.g. Sproul, Zacharias), there are only those
who are sinless, pure, holy, without spot or blemish, a 'white as snow'
bride that THE LORD RAISED UP in them in Him.

A sinner is a sinner is a sinner and THE WAGES OF A SINNER IS DEATH,
practicing and peccadillo and so called non-practicing (rubbish
religious talk) sinner alike!
Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus
Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;"(2Co
5:18, KJV)
"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,
not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us
the word of reconciliation."(2Co 5:19, KJV)
"Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you
by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God."(2Co
5:20, KJV)
"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might
be made the righteousness of God in him."(2Co 5:21, KJV)
The Christ here that is spoken of is not you.
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
Robert
2020-08-15 00:34:29 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
Robert and Greg can suck a watermelon through a garden
hose.
Isn't it amazing that Christ died even for you, that you
sins can
be
forgiven and that you too can have a new life through
Jesus Christ?
What sins are those? Prove anyone here ever murdered or
did anything
to
offend a deity that no one's ever met.
What we do know. Fear, guilt and authoritarianism are
good ways to
control
people.
Yes, that is correct, and it is not the way of God, it is
the way of
evil
men, so why are you sowing fear?
What fear? And I'm not a self-centred narcissist like your
Bible version
of
'God'.
You most certainly are. Look how you tout your beliefs, your
good works
helping others to believe and seek your truths.
Can you save anyone from eternal destruction? Turn anyones
life around as
if they were a new man?
Where am I touting doctrines/books? Where am I promoting
worship? I'm
helping people to think and see the light of day and question
old dogmas.
Dogmas can be pro or against. You are stating your own
personal dogma as well as your doctrines. You are attempting
to "save" people from their personal salvation and to do
things your way. The way of the Destroyer, whether a willing
accomplice or not. You attempt to be certain of what you say,
but there is always the doubts. If you are wrong, and I know
you are, and you were to change a person from belief to
unbelief, then when you see them in the Lake of Fire and
Brimstone do you assume they will be bonded to you and rejoice
that you are correct? Will you laugh at their stupidity to
have given up all that is good to be as you chose, or should
you just take the chance and let people be what they desire to
be since you have no knowledge of the future?
"Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you?
let him shew
out of
a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But
if ye have
bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and
lie not
against
the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is
earthly,
sensual,
devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is
confusion and every
evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first
pure, then
peaceable,
gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good
fruits,
without
partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of
righteousness is
sown
in peace of them that make peace."(Jas 3:13-18, KJV)
If we are made in the image of a good God then we will have
lots of
wisdom,
and many people throughout history have. And a good God
would be proud of
us
that we are like him.
You neglect the elephant in the room called Satan who
deceived and
corrupted the entire world.
Corrupting and destroying our built in morals, mental
capabilities, etc.
Yet those that have escaped the evil and chose to follow God
all exhibit
the characteristics you speak of.
Who created Satan and neglected to tell everyone to beware of
his lies?
God created Lucifer who then was found to have sin in him, the
sin of pride, false pride.
Who neglected this world for millennia letting it go rotten?
No one. The world and all that was in it was given to men, to
have dominion over all things, they chose to give it up. It
was their responsibility not God's.
Who ignored people's prayers to help us defeat Satan?
No one. Satan has already been defeated. You who are
unspiritual, meaning without God in your life, are that way by
your choice, you refused the power to defeat Satans actions
and temptations in your life.
If humans had built in morals then Adam and Eve wouldn't have
obeyed Satan
like a pair of zombies.
They did not act like zombies, who are you trying to kid? Eve
was deceived by the words of Satan, and fell gullible to the
words like you present about anti-God. Adam did what he did by
choice, he willingly sinned.
You haven't thought out any of this properly at all.
Perhaps by your non-spiritual thinking, but I have had RL
experiences with God, and interact with God by His Holy Spirit
in my life. I know of His realities, and have much more to see
and know. I have a life without limits and the more I walk
with Him the more I have cause to Praise Him. And Praise him I
do.
But if we don't then he just made a bunch of zombies that
can do nothing
of
value in themselves. Did God just make a bunch of zombies
and lemmings
who
can only sin and need to be controlled, monitored, demeaned
and
threatened
all their lives? Such silliness Christians believe.
Satan is the one who turned you into your zombie world. He
implants an idea
into your head and you follow it, even enhancing if as a
newly discovered
truths and a way out of carnal knowledge.
I'm not the unthinking zombie. I'm moral and spiritual
without being
threatened to follow a callous blood desiring god figure from
a book.
You are dead to God spiritually and alive to Satan by your
choice. And that life is death forever, IOW's total separation
from God and everything that is kind and good. Your vain
imaginations of who God is, is false and without foundation,
you made an unwise choice and were deceived because you did
not do the research regarding all this by yourself. You were
gullible, took the words of others and believed them.
As have you. Stop pointing fingers and start trying to understand.
I do understand as I came from a life of sin unto Jesus Christ
the Lord. I am and did not fingerprint, I described his current
spiritual state and I speak with understanding
You were given a religious view, and listened to the thoughts
going on
in your head, never once taking the time to thoroughly review
what is
written and ask the author of the Bible what it all means.
Yes, I was given a viewpoint, and as I have told everyone here
several times, I sought God about when I was about 13 years old.
He answered me then but foolishly postponed my decision to live
for him. He reminded me of it over the years and the experience
is and was burned into my mind and understanding. Sadly it
wasn't until I was around 32 or so that I was in a desperate
situation and then it was that I cried out for his deliverance
and help. Again, he answered my cry, prayer, or whatever you
wish to call it. At that point he changed me from the inside
out. It was obvious to my friends and associates in the days
that followed and I have not looked back. And I still grow in
the Lord. I ask for his understandings as well as his help always.
Who is the author of the Bible? Men, that's who.
Then you might as well do as Michael Mclean did and throw away
your bible. It will be of no use to you if that is your final
determination.
Scripture says,...
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works." (2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
-).
This is the Robert translation...
(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
'All scripture is given to me (Robert) to interpret as I see fit
and is
profitable for my personal religious beliefs, for correcting
those who
are at odds with my doctrine, for reproving those who flout my
understanding and for instructing others in my righteousness. That I
may be revered, and those who drink my religion are thoroughly
furnished
unto all my ways.'
Amen.
Here is the truth, you can't walk in the Spirit of Truth so you
have to
rely on your intellect.
Not enough, Buddy.
Look at the word 'That' in your quote. You do this so that 'that'
can
happen. You still need to be indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness because you still walk in your sin.
It is crystal clear, no excuses.
You can't put your bible down because you are not cleansed of all
unrighteousness and are unable to walk in the earth and the fullness
thereof in the Spirit with the Lord. You need power from above,
Buddy.
Not my fault.
Michael Christ
I did not say anything was your fault, in this post or thread.
Never inferred it either.
It is your own fault, that is why. You are still stuck in your
man-centred theology, Buddy.
Post by Robert
As to my walk with the Lord and in the spirit you have no
knowledge to support your statements.
There is a move of God on the way of fulfilling what has already
started. Jesus will reveal himself through his people and the
gates of hell cannot contain the actions of His people.
All the trivial denominational and religious talk here on the
Usenet will pale behind the revelations of the Lord, you can
either be a part of it or be left by the wayside.
The same for all of us
As per your bible quote mandate imposes on you...
When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Until then keep your self-righteous religious un-thoroughly furnished
dogma-jargon abuse to yourself. Thanks.
When are you ever going to learn, Robert, that man was not made for the
bible, man was made for a relationship with the Lord...without
ink???!!!
Is God not able????????????????????????????????????
Michael Christ
You are the same false prophet you always were.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works."(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
"Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the
Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the
subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word
of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will
increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a
canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;"(2Ti 2:14-17, KJV)
In your case it is your refusal to share the word of God, Scripture,
and tell them they have no need to know these things and as a result
will have nothing to test and try the spirits such as you who would
seek to deny scripture.
I was hoping you would come back a better man.
You mean like you?? :-)))).
Like you were told...follow your bible directive...hypocrite...
"When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
Otherwise, take your self-righteousness religion and shove it up your arse.
Thank you.
Michael Christ
My righteousness is of God Almighty, not of myself. So I cannot boast about it.
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things
are passed away; behold, all things are become new."(2Co 5:17, KJV)
One that doesn't need reproving and correcting and instruction in
righteousness or one who does?? :-).
Be a man.
You are a coward who always does a runner.
Since you are not prepared to humble. 'One who does not need changing
anymore'. A new creature never has to repent, the old has passed away,
and all things are become new.
You don't even know of what you speak, it is all vain imagination on your part, in large part because you do not study the word of God, in another way because of the state of your spirit.
Post by Michael Christ
He's born again.
Yet you have spoken against that.
Post by Michael Christ
The righteousness of God does not repent, does not need 'doctrine,
reproof, correction, instruction in righteousness'. Why?
God has repented.

Just one example,...
"And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite."(1Ch 21:15, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Because he was...and WAS MADE the righteousness of Christ.
Michael Christ
PS You are stuck in religion sinner justifying doctrine, Buddy. Seated
in Christ Jesus in heavenly places is not a sinner claiming the
righteousness of Christ (e.g. Sproul, Zacharias), there are only those
who are sinless, pure, holy, without spot or blemish, a 'white as snow'
bride that THE LORD RAISED UP in them in Him.
A sinner is a sinner is a sinner and THE WAGES OF A SINNER IS DEATH,
practicing and peccadillo and so called non-practicing (rubbish
religious talk) sinner alike!
You concoct your own doctrines, and do not like being held accountable to the Word of God.

You have no battle with me, I am not the Lord, your battle is with him and until you, as you say, Humble Yourself, to him you will be left wandering around in this world of woe.
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Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus
Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;"(2Co
5:18, KJV)
"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,
not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us
the word of reconciliation."(2Co 5:19, KJV)
"Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you
by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God."(2Co
5:20, KJV)
"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might
be made the righteousness of God in him."(2Co 5:21, KJV)
The Christ here that is spoken of is not you.
Michael Christ
2020-08-15 01:04:26 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Michael Christ
Robert and Greg can suck a watermelon through a garden
hose.
Isn't it amazing that Christ died even for you, that you
sins can
be
forgiven and that you too can have a new life through
Jesus Christ?
What sins are those? Prove anyone here ever murdered or
did anything
to
offend a deity that no one's ever met.
What we do know. Fear, guilt and authoritarianism are
good ways to
control
people.
Yes, that is correct, and it is not the way of God, it is
the way of
evil
men, so why are you sowing fear?
What fear? And I'm not a self-centred narcissist like your
Bible version
of
'God'.
You most certainly are. Look how you tout your beliefs, your
good works
helping others to believe and seek your truths.
Can you save anyone from eternal destruction? Turn anyones
life around as
if they were a new man?
Where am I touting doctrines/books? Where am I promoting
worship? I'm
helping people to think and see the light of day and question
old dogmas.
Dogmas can be pro or against. You are stating your own
personal dogma as well as your doctrines. You are attempting
to "save" people from their personal salvation and to do
things your way. The way of the Destroyer, whether a willing
accomplice or not. You attempt to be certain of what you say,
but there is always the doubts. If you are wrong, and I know
you are, and you were to change a person from belief to
unbelief, then when you see them in the Lake of Fire and
Brimstone do you assume they will be bonded to you and rejoice
that you are correct? Will you laugh at their stupidity to
have given up all that is good to be as you chose, or should
you just take the chance and let people be what they desire to
be since you have no knowledge of the future?
"Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you?
let him shew
out of
a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But
if ye have
bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and
lie not
against
the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is
earthly,
sensual,
devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is
confusion and every
evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first
pure, then
peaceable,
gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good
fruits,
without
partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of
righteousness is
sown
in peace of them that make peace."(Jas 3:13-18, KJV)
If we are made in the image of a good God then we will have
lots of
wisdom,
and many people throughout history have. And a good God
would be proud of
us
that we are like him.
You neglect the elephant in the room called Satan who
deceived and
corrupted the entire world.
Corrupting and destroying our built in morals, mental
capabilities, etc.
Yet those that have escaped the evil and chose to follow God
all exhibit
the characteristics you speak of.
Who created Satan and neglected to tell everyone to beware of
his lies?
God created Lucifer who then was found to have sin in him, the
sin of pride, false pride.
Who neglected this world for millennia letting it go rotten?
No one. The world and all that was in it was given to men, to
have dominion over all things, they chose to give it up. It
was their responsibility not God's.
Who ignored people's prayers to help us defeat Satan?
No one. Satan has already been defeated. You who are
unspiritual, meaning without God in your life, are that way by
your choice, you refused the power to defeat Satans actions
and temptations in your life.
If humans had built in morals then Adam and Eve wouldn't have
obeyed Satan
like a pair of zombies.
They did not act like zombies, who are you trying to kid? Eve
was deceived by the words of Satan, and fell gullible to the
words like you present about anti-God. Adam did what he did by
choice, he willingly sinned.
You haven't thought out any of this properly at all.
Perhaps by your non-spiritual thinking, but I have had RL
experiences with God, and interact with God by His Holy Spirit
in my life. I know of His realities, and have much more to see
and know. I have a life without limits and the more I walk
with Him the more I have cause to Praise Him. And Praise him I
do.
But if we don't then he just made a bunch of zombies that
can do nothing
of
value in themselves. Did God just make a bunch of zombies
and lemmings
who
can only sin and need to be controlled, monitored, demeaned and
threatened
all their lives? Such silliness Christians believe.
Satan is the one who turned you into your zombie world. He
implants an idea
into your head and you follow it, even enhancing if as a
newly discovered
truths and a way out of carnal knowledge.
I'm not the unthinking zombie. I'm moral and spiritual
without being
threatened to follow a callous blood desiring god figure from
a book.
You are dead to God spiritually and alive to Satan by your
choice. And that life is death forever, IOW's total separation
from God and everything that is kind and good. Your vain
imaginations of who God is, is false and without foundation,
you made an unwise choice and were deceived because you did
not do the research regarding all this by yourself. You were
gullible, took the words of others and believed them.
As have you. Stop pointing fingers and start trying to understand.
I do understand as I came from a life of sin unto Jesus Christ
the Lord. I am and did not fingerprint, I described his current
spiritual state and I speak with understanding
You were given a religious view, and listened to the thoughts going on
in your head, never once taking the time to thoroughly review what is
written and ask the author of the Bible what it all means.
Yes, I was given a viewpoint, and as I have told everyone here
several times, I sought God about when I was about 13 years old.
He answered me then but foolishly postponed my decision to live
for him. He reminded me of it over the years and the experience
is and was burned into my mind and understanding. Sadly it
wasn't until I was around 32 or so that I was in a desperate
situation and then it was that I cried out for his deliverance
and help. Again, he answered my cry, prayer, or whatever you
wish to call it. At that point he changed me from the inside
out. It was obvious to my friends and associates in the days
that followed and I have not looked back. And I still grow in
the Lord. I ask for his understandings as well as his help always.
Who is the author of the Bible? Men, that's who.
Then you might as well do as Michael Mclean did and throw away
your bible. It will be of no use to you if that is your final
determination.
Scripture says,...
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works." (2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
-).
This is the Robert translation...
(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
'All scripture is given to me (Robert) to interpret as I see fit and is
profitable for my personal religious beliefs, for correcting those who
are at odds with my doctrine, for reproving those who flout my
understanding and for instructing others in my righteousness. That I
may be revered, and those who drink my religion are thoroughly furnished
unto all my ways.'
Amen.
Here is the truth, you can't walk in the Spirit of Truth so you have to
rely on your intellect.
Not enough, Buddy.
Look at the word 'That' in your quote. You do this so that 'that' can
happen. You still need to be indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness because you still walk in your sin.
It is crystal clear, no excuses.
You can't put your bible down because you are not cleansed of all
unrighteousness and are unable to walk in the earth and the fullness
thereof in the Spirit with the Lord. You need power from above, Buddy.
Not my fault.
Michael Christ
I did not say anything was your fault, in this post or thread.
Never inferred it either.
It is your own fault, that is why. You are still stuck in your
man-centred theology, Buddy.
Post by Robert
As to my walk with the Lord and in the spirit you have no
knowledge to support your statements.
There is a move of God on the way of fulfilling what has already
started. Jesus will reveal himself through his people and the
gates of hell cannot contain the actions of His people.
All the trivial denominational and religious talk here on the
Usenet will pale behind the revelations of the Lord, you can
either be a part of it or be left by the wayside.
The same for all of us
As per your bible quote mandate imposes on you...
When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Until then keep your self-righteous religious un-thoroughly furnished
dogma-jargon abuse to yourself. Thanks.
When are you ever going to learn, Robert, that man was not made for the
bible, man was made for a relationship with the Lord...without ink???!!!
Is God not able????????????????????????????????????
Michael Christ
You are the same false prophet you always were.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works."(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
"Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the
Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the
subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word
of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will
increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a
canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;"(2Ti 2:14-17, KJV)
In your case it is your refusal to share the word of God, Scripture,
and tell them they have no need to know these things and as a result
will have nothing to test and try the spirits such as you who would
seek to deny scripture.
I was hoping you would come back a better man.
You mean like you?? :-)))).
Like you were told...follow your bible directive...hypocrite...
"When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
Otherwise, take your self-righteousness religion and shove it up your arse.
Thank you.
Michael Christ
My righteousness is of God Almighty, not of myself. So I cannot boast about it.
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things
are passed away; behold, all things are become new."(2Co 5:17, KJV)
One that doesn't need reproving and correcting and instruction in
righteousness or one who does?? :-).
Be a man.
You are a coward who always does a runner.
Since you are not prepared to humble. 'One who does not need changing
anymore'. A new creature never has to repent, the old has passed away,
and all things are become new.
You don't even know of what you speak, it is all vain imagination on your part, in large part because you do not study the word of God, in another way because of the state of your spirit.
Post by Michael Christ
He's born again.
Yet you have spoken against that.
Post by Michael Christ
The righteousness of God does not repent, does not need 'doctrine,
reproof, correction, instruction in righteousness'. Why?
God has repented.
Just one example,...
"And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite."(1Ch 21:15, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Because he was...and WAS MADE the righteousness of Christ.
Michael Christ
PS You are stuck in religion sinner justifying doctrine, Buddy. Seated
in Christ Jesus in heavenly places is not a sinner claiming the
righteousness of Christ (e.g. Sproul, Zacharias), there are only those
who are sinless, pure, holy, without spot or blemish, a 'white as snow'
bride that THE LORD RAISED UP in them in Him.
A sinner is a sinner is a sinner and THE WAGES OF A SINNER IS DEATH,
practicing and peccadillo and so called non-practicing (rubbish
religious talk) sinner alike!
You concoct your own doctrines, and do not like being held accountable to the Word of God.
You have no battle with me, I am not the Lord, your battle is with him and until you, as you say, Humble Yourself, to him you will be left wandering around in this world of woe.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus
Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;"(2Co
5:18, KJV)
"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,
not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us
the word of reconciliation."(2Co 5:19, KJV)
"Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you
by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God."(2Co
5:20, KJV)
"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might
be made the righteousness of God in him."(2Co 5:21, KJV)
The Christ here that is spoken of is not you.
Not floating around in Robbo religion lala land, sorry. See Duke for that.

There...is...no...sinner...who...has...the...righteousness...of...Christ!

For obvious reasons.

That is how deluded you are and deluded your doctrines are.

You are a sinner, that is why you need this...

2Ti 3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is
profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness:

And are not yet this...

2Ti 3:17  That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto
all good works.

You are wasting your time arguing about it.





Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
Robert
2020-08-15 03:50:23 UTC
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Robert and Greg can suck a watermelon through a garden
hose.
Isn't it amazing that Christ died even for you, that you
sins can
be
forgiven and that you too can have a new life through
Jesus Christ?
What sins are those? Prove anyone here ever murdered or
did anything
to
offend a deity that no one's ever met.
What we do know. Fear, guilt and authoritarianism are
good ways to
control
people.
Yes, that is correct, and it is not the way of God, it is
the way of
evil
men, so why are you sowing fear?
What fear? And I'm not a self-centred narcissist like your
Bible version
of
'God'.
You most certainly are. Look how you tout your beliefs, your
good works
helping others to believe and seek your truths.
Can you save anyone from eternal destruction? Turn anyones
life around as
if they were a new man?
Where am I touting doctrines/books? Where am I promoting
worship? I'm
helping people to think and see the light of day and question
old dogmas.
Dogmas can be pro or against. You are stating your own
personal dogma as well as your doctrines. You are attempting
to "save" people from their personal salvation and to do
things your way. The way of the Destroyer, whether a willing
accomplice or not. You attempt to be certain of what you say,
but there is always the doubts. If you are wrong, and I know
you are, and you were to change a person from belief to
unbelief, then when you see them in the Lake of Fire and
Brimstone do you assume they will be bonded to you and rejoice
that you are correct? Will you laugh at their stupidity to
have given up all that is good to be as you chose, or should
you just take the chance and let people be what they desire to
be since you have no knowledge of the future?
"Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you?
let him shew
out of
a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But
if ye have
bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and
lie not
against
the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is
earthly,
sensual,
devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is
confusion and every
evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first
pure, then
peaceable,
gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good
fruits,
without
partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of
righteousness is
sown
in peace of them that make peace."(Jas 3:13-18, KJV)
If we are made in the image of a good God then we will have
lots of
wisdom,
and many people throughout history have. And a good God
would be proud of
us
that we are like him.
You neglect the elephant in the room called Satan who
deceived and
corrupted the entire world.
Corrupting and destroying our built in morals, mental
capabilities, etc.
Yet those that have escaped the evil and chose to follow God
all exhibit
the characteristics you speak of.
Who created Satan and neglected to tell everyone to beware of
his lies?
God created Lucifer who then was found to have sin in him, the
sin of pride, false pride.
Who neglected this world for millennia letting it go rotten?
No one. The world and all that was in it was given to men, to
have dominion over all things, they chose to give it up. It
was their responsibility not God's.
Who ignored people's prayers to help us defeat Satan?
No one. Satan has already been defeated. You who are
unspiritual, meaning without God in your life, are that way by
your choice, you refused the power to defeat Satans actions
and temptations in your life.
If humans had built in morals then Adam and Eve wouldn't have
obeyed Satan
like a pair of zombies.
They did not act like zombies, who are you trying to kid? Eve
was deceived by the words of Satan, and fell gullible to the
words like you present about anti-God. Adam did what he did by
choice, he willingly sinned.
You haven't thought out any of this properly at all.
Perhaps by your non-spiritual thinking, but I have had RL
experiences with God, and interact with God by His Holy Spirit
in my life. I know of His realities, and have much more to see
and know. I have a life without limits and the more I walk
with Him the more I have cause to Praise Him. And Praise him I
do.
But if we don't then he just made a bunch of zombies that
can do nothing
of
value in themselves. Did God just make a bunch of zombies
and lemmings
who
can only sin and need to be controlled, monitored, demeaned
and
threatened
all their lives? Such silliness Christians believe.
Satan is the one who turned you into your zombie world. He
implants an idea
into your head and you follow it, even enhancing if as a
newly discovered
truths and a way out of carnal knowledge.
I'm not the unthinking zombie. I'm moral and spiritual
without being
threatened to follow a callous blood desiring god figure from
a book.
You are dead to God spiritually and alive to Satan by your
choice. And that life is death forever, IOW's total separation
from God and everything that is kind and good. Your vain
imaginations of who God is, is false and without foundation,
you made an unwise choice and were deceived because you did
not do the research regarding all this by yourself. You were
gullible, took the words of others and believed them.
As have you. Stop pointing fingers and start trying to understand.
I do understand as I came from a life of sin unto Jesus Christ
the Lord. I am and did not fingerprint, I described his current
spiritual state and I speak with understanding
You were given a religious view, and listened to the thoughts
going on
in your head, never once taking the time to thoroughly review
what is
written and ask the author of the Bible what it all means.
Yes, I was given a viewpoint, and as I have told everyone here
several times, I sought God about when I was about 13 years old.
He answered me then but foolishly postponed my decision to live
for him. He reminded me of it over the years and the experience
is and was burned into my mind and understanding. Sadly it
wasn't until I was around 32 or so that I was in a desperate
situation and then it was that I cried out for his deliverance
and help. Again, he answered my cry, prayer, or whatever you
wish to call it. At that point he changed me from the inside
out. It was obvious to my friends and associates in the days
that followed and I have not looked back. And I still grow in
the Lord. I ask for his understandings as well as his help always.
Who is the author of the Bible? Men, that's who.
Then you might as well do as Michael Mclean did and throw away
your bible. It will be of no use to you if that is your final
determination.
Scripture says,...
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works." (2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
-).
This is the Robert translation...
(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
'All scripture is given to me (Robert) to interpret as I see fit
and is
profitable for my personal religious beliefs, for correcting
those who
are at odds with my doctrine, for reproving those who flout my
understanding and for instructing others in my righteousness. That I
may be revered, and those who drink my religion are thoroughly
furnished
unto all my ways.'
Amen.
Here is the truth, you can't walk in the Spirit of Truth so you
have to
rely on your intellect.
Not enough, Buddy.
Look at the word 'That' in your quote. You do this so that 'that'
can
happen. You still need to be indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness because you still walk in your sin.
It is crystal clear, no excuses.
You can't put your bible down because you are not cleansed of all
unrighteousness and are unable to walk in the earth and the fullness
thereof in the Spirit with the Lord. You need power from above,
Buddy.
Not my fault.
Michael Christ
I did not say anything was your fault, in this post or thread.
Never inferred it either.
It is your own fault, that is why. You are still stuck in your
man-centred theology, Buddy.
Post by Robert
As to my walk with the Lord and in the spirit you have no
knowledge to support your statements.
There is a move of God on the way of fulfilling what has already
started. Jesus will reveal himself through his people and the
gates of hell cannot contain the actions of His people.
All the trivial denominational and religious talk here on the
Usenet will pale behind the revelations of the Lord, you can
either be a part of it or be left by the wayside.
The same for all of us
As per your bible quote mandate imposes on you...
When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Until then keep your self-righteous religious un-thoroughly furnished
dogma-jargon abuse to yourself. Thanks.
When are you ever going to learn, Robert, that man was not made for
the
bible, man was made for a relationship with the Lord...without
ink???!!!
Is God not able????????????????????????????????????
Michael Christ
You are the same false prophet you always were.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works."(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
"Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the
Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the
subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word
of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will
increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a
canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;"(2Ti 2:14-17, KJV)
In your case it is your refusal to share the word of God, Scripture,
and tell them they have no need to know these things and as a result
will have nothing to test and try the spirits such as you who would
seek to deny scripture.
I was hoping you would come back a better man.
You mean like you?? :-)))).
Like you were told...follow your bible directive...hypocrite...
"When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
Otherwise, take your self-righteousness religion and shove it up your
arse.
Thank you.
Michael Christ
My righteousness is of God Almighty, not of myself. So I cannot boast
about it.
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things
are passed away; behold, all things are become new."(2Co 5:17, KJV)
One that doesn't need reproving and correcting and instruction in
righteousness or one who does?? :-).
Be a man.
You are a coward who always does a runner.
Since you are not prepared to humble. 'One who does not need changing
anymore'. A new creature never has to repent, the old has passed away,
and all things are become new.
You don't even know of what you speak, it is all vain imagination on your part, in large part because you do not study the word of God, in another way because of the state of your spirit.
Post by Michael Christ
He's born again.
Yet you have spoken against that.
Post by Michael Christ
The righteousness of God does not repent, does not need 'doctrine,
reproof, correction, instruction in righteousness'. Why?
God has repented.
Just one example,...
"And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite."(1Ch 21:15, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Because he was...and WAS MADE the righteousness of Christ.
Michael Christ
PS You are stuck in religion sinner justifying doctrine, Buddy. Seated
in Christ Jesus in heavenly places is not a sinner claiming the
righteousness of Christ (e.g. Sproul, Zacharias), there are only those
who are sinless, pure, holy, without spot or blemish, a 'white as snow'
bride that THE LORD RAISED UP in them in Him.
A sinner is a sinner is a sinner and THE WAGES OF A SINNER IS DEATH,
practicing and peccadillo and so called non-practicing (rubbish
religious talk) sinner alike!
You concoct your own doctrines, and do not like being held accountable to the Word of God.
You have no battle with me, I am not the Lord, your battle is with him and until you, as you say, Humble Yourself, to him you will be left wandering around in this world of woe.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus
Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;"(2Co
5:18, KJV)
"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,
not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us
the word of reconciliation."(2Co 5:19, KJV)
"Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you
by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God."(2Co
5:20, KJV)
"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might
be made the righteousness of God in him."(2Co 5:21, KJV)
The Christ here that is spoken of is not you.
Not floating around in Robbo religion lala land, sorry. See Duke for that.
There...is...no...sinner...who...has...the...righteousness...of...Christ!
For obvious reasons.
That is how deluded you are and deluded your doctrines are.
You are a sinner, that is why you need this...
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is
profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
And are not yet this...
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto
all good works.
You are wasting your time arguing about it.
You did not see me arguing about it. You cannot read what is right in front of your face. It is as if you have the blinders of Satan in front of your eyes.

By your own words you are a sinner, without hope, you have been self condemned.

Make a false accusation intentionally, you are a sinner.

Tell a Lie, you are a sinner.

Use foul language and speak despairingly about others, you are a sinner.

You know yourself better than I.If you are not born again you are a sinner as well as a hypocrite before all men.

So tell us again what happens to sinners?
Michael Christ
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2020-08-15 04:42:47 UTC
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Robert and Greg can suck a watermelon through a garden
hose.
Isn't it amazing that Christ died even for you, that you
sins can
be
forgiven and that you too can have a new life through
Jesus Christ?
What sins are those? Prove anyone here ever murdered or
did anything
to
offend a deity that no one's ever met.
What we do know. Fear, guilt and authoritarianism are
good ways to
control
people.
Yes, that is correct, and it is not the way of God, it is
the way of
evil
men, so why are you sowing fear?
What fear? And I'm not a self-centred narcissist like your
Bible version
of
'God'.
You most certainly are. Look how you tout your beliefs, your
good works
helping others to believe and seek your truths.
Can you save anyone from eternal destruction? Turn anyones
life around as
if they were a new man?
Where am I touting doctrines/books? Where am I promoting
worship? I'm
helping people to think and see the light of day and question
old dogmas.
Dogmas can be pro or against. You are stating your own
personal dogma as well as your doctrines. You are attempting
to "save" people from their personal salvation and to do
things your way. The way of the Destroyer, whether a willing
accomplice or not. You attempt to be certain of what you say,
but there is always the doubts. If you are wrong, and I know
you are, and you were to change a person from belief to
unbelief, then when you see them in the Lake of Fire and
Brimstone do you assume they will be bonded to you and rejoice
that you are correct? Will you laugh at their stupidity to
have given up all that is good to be as you chose, or should
you just take the chance and let people be what they desire to
be since you have no knowledge of the future?
"Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you?
let him shew
out of
a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But
if ye have
bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and
lie not
against
the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is
earthly,
sensual,
devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is
confusion and every
evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first
pure, then
peaceable,
gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good
fruits,
without
partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of
righteousness is
sown
in peace of them that make peace."(Jas 3:13-18, KJV)
If we are made in the image of a good God then we will have
lots of
wisdom,
and many people throughout history have. And a good God
would be proud of
us
that we are like him.
You neglect the elephant in the room called Satan who
deceived and
corrupted the entire world.
Corrupting and destroying our built in morals, mental
capabilities, etc.
Yet those that have escaped the evil and chose to follow God
all exhibit
the characteristics you speak of.
Who created Satan and neglected to tell everyone to beware of
his lies?
God created Lucifer who then was found to have sin in him, the
sin of pride, false pride.
Who neglected this world for millennia letting it go rotten?
No one. The world and all that was in it was given to men, to
have dominion over all things, they chose to give it up. It
was their responsibility not God's.
Who ignored people's prayers to help us defeat Satan?
No one. Satan has already been defeated. You who are
unspiritual, meaning without God in your life, are that way by
your choice, you refused the power to defeat Satans actions
and temptations in your life.
If humans had built in morals then Adam and Eve wouldn't have
obeyed Satan
like a pair of zombies.
They did not act like zombies, who are you trying to kid? Eve
was deceived by the words of Satan, and fell gullible to the
words like you present about anti-God. Adam did what he did by
choice, he willingly sinned.
You haven't thought out any of this properly at all.
Perhaps by your non-spiritual thinking, but I have had RL
experiences with God, and interact with God by His Holy Spirit
in my life. I know of His realities, and have much more to see
and know. I have a life without limits and the more I walk
with Him the more I have cause to Praise Him. And Praise him I
do.
But if we don't then he just made a bunch of zombies that
can do nothing
of
value in themselves. Did God just make a bunch of zombies
and lemmings
who
can only sin and need to be controlled, monitored, demeaned
and
threatened
all their lives? Such silliness Christians believe.
Satan is the one who turned you into your zombie world. He
implants an idea
into your head and you follow it, even enhancing if as a
newly discovered
truths and a way out of carnal knowledge.
I'm not the unthinking zombie. I'm moral and spiritual
without being
threatened to follow a callous blood desiring god figure from
a book.
You are dead to God spiritually and alive to Satan by your
choice. And that life is death forever, IOW's total separation
from God and everything that is kind and good. Your vain
imaginations of who God is, is false and without foundation,
you made an unwise choice and were deceived because you did
not do the research regarding all this by yourself. You were
gullible, took the words of others and believed them.
As have you. Stop pointing fingers and start trying to understand.
I do understand as I came from a life of sin unto Jesus Christ
the Lord. I am and did not fingerprint, I described his current
spiritual state and I speak with understanding
You were given a religious view, and listened to the thoughts
going on
in your head, never once taking the time to thoroughly review
what is
written and ask the author of the Bible what it all means.
Yes, I was given a viewpoint, and as I have told everyone here
several times, I sought God about when I was about 13 years old.
He answered me then but foolishly postponed my decision to live
for him. He reminded me of it over the years and the experience
is and was burned into my mind and understanding. Sadly it
wasn't until I was around 32 or so that I was in a desperate
situation and then it was that I cried out for his deliverance
and help. Again, he answered my cry, prayer, or whatever you
wish to call it. At that point he changed me from the inside
out. It was obvious to my friends and associates in the days
that followed and I have not looked back. And I still grow in
the Lord. I ask for his understandings as well as his help always.
Who is the author of the Bible? Men, that's who.
Then you might as well do as Michael Mclean did and throw away
your bible. It will be of no use to you if that is your final
determination.
Scripture says,...
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works." (2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
-).
This is the Robert translation...
(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
'All scripture is given to me (Robert) to interpret as I see fit and is
profitable for my personal religious beliefs, for correcting those who
are at odds with my doctrine, for reproving those who flout my
understanding and for instructing others in my righteousness. That I
may be revered, and those who drink my religion are thoroughly
furnished
unto all my ways.'
Amen.
Here is the truth, you can't walk in the Spirit of Truth so you have to
rely on your intellect.
Not enough, Buddy.
Look at the word 'That' in your quote. You do this so that 'that' can
happen. You still need to be indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness because you still walk in your sin.
It is crystal clear, no excuses.
You can't put your bible down because you are not cleansed of all
unrighteousness and are unable to walk in the earth and the fullness
thereof in the Spirit with the Lord. You need power from above, Buddy.
Not my fault.
Michael Christ
I did not say anything was your fault, in this post or thread.
Never inferred it either.
It is your own fault, that is why. You are still stuck in your
man-centred theology, Buddy.
Post by Robert
As to my walk with the Lord and in the spirit you have no
knowledge to support your statements.
There is a move of God on the way of fulfilling what has already
started. Jesus will reveal himself through his people and the
gates of hell cannot contain the actions of His people.
All the trivial denominational and religious talk here on the
Usenet will pale behind the revelations of the Lord, you can
either be a part of it or be left by the wayside.
The same for all of us
As per your bible quote mandate imposes on you...
When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Until then keep your self-righteous religious un-thoroughly furnished
dogma-jargon abuse to yourself. Thanks.
When are you ever going to learn, Robert, that man was not made for the
bible, man was made for a relationship with the Lord...without ink???!!!
Is God not able????????????????????????????????????
Michael Christ
You are the same false prophet you always were.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works."(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
"Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the
Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the
subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word
of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will
increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a
canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;"(2Ti 2:14-17, KJV)
In your case it is your refusal to share the word of God, Scripture,
and tell them they have no need to know these things and as a result
will have nothing to test and try the spirits such as you who would
seek to deny scripture.
I was hoping you would come back a better man.
You mean like you?? :-)))).
Like you were told...follow your bible directive...hypocrite...
"When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
Otherwise, take your self-righteousness religion and shove it up your arse.
Thank you.
Michael Christ
My righteousness is of God Almighty, not of myself. So I cannot boast about it.
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things
are passed away; behold, all things are become new."(2Co 5:17, KJV)
One that doesn't need reproving and correcting and instruction in
righteousness or one who does?? :-).
Be a man.
You are a coward who always does a runner.
Since you are not prepared to humble. 'One who does not need changing
anymore'. A new creature never has to repent, the old has passed away,
and all things are become new.
You don't even know of what you speak, it is all vain imagination on your part, in large part because you do not study the word of God, in another way because of the state of your spirit.
Post by Michael Christ
He's born again.
Yet you have spoken against that.
Post by Michael Christ
The righteousness of God does not repent, does not need 'doctrine,
reproof, correction, instruction in righteousness'. Why?
God has repented.
Just one example,...
"And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite."(1Ch 21:15, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Because he was...and WAS MADE the righteousness of Christ.
Michael Christ
PS You are stuck in religion sinner justifying doctrine, Buddy. Seated
in Christ Jesus in heavenly places is not a sinner claiming the
righteousness of Christ (e.g. Sproul, Zacharias), there are only those
who are sinless, pure, holy, without spot or blemish, a 'white as snow'
bride that THE LORD RAISED UP in them in Him.
A sinner is a sinner is a sinner and THE WAGES OF A SINNER IS DEATH,
practicing and peccadillo and so called non-practicing (rubbish
religious talk) sinner alike!
You concoct your own doctrines, and do not like being held accountable to the Word of God.
You have no battle with me, I am not the Lord, your battle is with him and until you, as you say, Humble Yourself, to him you will be left wandering around in this world of woe.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus
Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;"(2Co
5:18, KJV)
"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,
not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us
the word of reconciliation."(2Co 5:19, KJV)
"Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you
by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God."(2Co
5:20, KJV)
"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might
be made the righteousness of God in him."(2Co 5:21, KJV)
The Christ here that is spoken of is not you.
Not floating around in Robbo religion lala land, sorry. See Duke for that.
There...is...no...sinner...who...has...the...righteousness...of...Christ!
For obvious reasons.
That is how deluded you are and deluded your doctrines are.
You are a sinner, that is why you need this...
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is
profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
And are not yet this...
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto
all good works.
You are wasting your time arguing about it.
You did not see me arguing about it. You cannot read what is right in front of your face. It is as if you have the blinders of Satan in front of your eyes.
By your own words you are a sinner, without hope, you have been self condemned.
Make a false accusation intentionally, you are a sinner.
Tell a Lie, you are a sinner.
Use foul language and speak despairingly about others, you are a sinner.
You know yourself better than I.If you are not born again you are a sinner as well as a hypocrite before all men.
So tell us again what happens to sinners?
Michael Christ
You don't know what you are saying, read the other post.




Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
Robert
2020-08-15 05:55:31 UTC
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Robert and Greg can suck a watermelon through a garden
hose.
Isn't it amazing that Christ died even for you, that you
sins can
be
forgiven and that you too can have a new life through
Jesus Christ?
What sins are those? Prove anyone here ever murdered or
did anything
to
offend a deity that no one's ever met.
What we do know. Fear, guilt and authoritarianism are
good ways to
control
people.
Yes, that is correct, and it is not the way of God, it is
the way of
evil
men, so why are you sowing fear?
What fear? And I'm not a self-centred narcissist like your
Bible version
of
'God'.
You most certainly are. Look how you tout your beliefs, your
good works
helping others to believe and seek your truths.
Can you save anyone from eternal destruction? Turn anyones
life around as
if they were a new man?
Where am I touting doctrines/books? Where am I promoting
worship? I'm
helping people to think and see the light of day and question
old dogmas.
Dogmas can be pro or against. You are stating your own
personal dogma as well as your doctrines. You are attempting
to "save" people from their personal salvation and to do
things your way. The way of the Destroyer, whether a willing
accomplice or not. You attempt to be certain of what you say,
but there is always the doubts. If you are wrong, and I know
you are, and you were to change a person from belief to
unbelief, then when you see them in the Lake of Fire and
Brimstone do you assume they will be bonded to you and rejoice
that you are correct? Will you laugh at their stupidity to
have given up all that is good to be as you chose, or should
you just take the chance and let people be what they desire to
be since you have no knowledge of the future?
"Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you?
let him shew
out of
a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But
if ye have
bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and
lie not
against
the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is
earthly,
sensual,
devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is
confusion and every
evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first
pure, then
peaceable,
gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good
fruits,
without
partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of
righteousness is
sown
in peace of them that make peace."(Jas 3:13-18, KJV)
If we are made in the image of a good God then we will have
lots of
wisdom,
and many people throughout history have. And a good God
would be proud of
us
that we are like him.
You neglect the elephant in the room called Satan who
deceived and
corrupted the entire world.
Corrupting and destroying our built in morals, mental
capabilities, etc.
Yet those that have escaped the evil and chose to follow God
all exhibit
the characteristics you speak of.
Who created Satan and neglected to tell everyone to beware of
his lies?
God created Lucifer who then was found to have sin in him, the
sin of pride, false pride.
Who neglected this world for millennia letting it go rotten?
No one. The world and all that was in it was given to men, to
have dominion over all things, they chose to give it up. It
was their responsibility not God's.
Who ignored people's prayers to help us defeat Satan?
No one. Satan has already been defeated. You who are
unspiritual, meaning without God in your life, are that way by
your choice, you refused the power to defeat Satans actions
and temptations in your life.
If humans had built in morals then Adam and Eve wouldn't have
obeyed Satan
like a pair of zombies.
They did not act like zombies, who are you trying to kid? Eve
was deceived by the words of Satan, and fell gullible to the
words like you present about anti-God. Adam did what he did by
choice, he willingly sinned.
You haven't thought out any of this properly at all.
Perhaps by your non-spiritual thinking, but I have had RL
experiences with God, and interact with God by His Holy Spirit
in my life. I know of His realities, and have much more to see
and know. I have a life without limits and the more I walk
with Him the more I have cause to Praise Him. And Praise him I
do.
But if we don't then he just made a bunch of zombies that
can do nothing
of
value in themselves. Did God just make a bunch of zombies
and lemmings
who
can only sin and need to be controlled, monitored, demeaned
and
threatened
all their lives? Such silliness Christians believe.
Satan is the one who turned you into your zombie world. He
implants an idea
into your head and you follow it, even enhancing if as a
newly discovered
truths and a way out of carnal knowledge.
I'm not the unthinking zombie. I'm moral and spiritual
without being
threatened to follow a callous blood desiring god figure from
a book.
You are dead to God spiritually and alive to Satan by your
choice. And that life is death forever, IOW's total separation
from God and everything that is kind and good. Your vain
imaginations of who God is, is false and without foundation,
you made an unwise choice and were deceived because you did
not do the research regarding all this by yourself. You were
gullible, took the words of others and believed them.
As have you. Stop pointing fingers and start trying to understand.
I do understand as I came from a life of sin unto Jesus Christ
the Lord. I am and did not fingerprint, I described his current
spiritual state and I speak with understanding
You were given a religious view, and listened to the thoughts
going on
in your head, never once taking the time to thoroughly review
what is
written and ask the author of the Bible what it all means.
Yes, I was given a viewpoint, and as I have told everyone here
several times, I sought God about when I was about 13 years old.
He answered me then but foolishly postponed my decision to live
for him. He reminded me of it over the years and the experience
is and was burned into my mind and understanding. Sadly it
wasn't until I was around 32 or so that I was in a desperate
situation and then it was that I cried out for his deliverance
and help. Again, he answered my cry, prayer, or whatever you
wish to call it. At that point he changed me from the inside
out. It was obvious to my friends and associates in the days
that followed and I have not looked back. And I still grow in
the Lord. I ask for his understandings as well as his help always.
Who is the author of the Bible? Men, that's who.
Then you might as well do as Michael Mclean did and throw away
your bible. It will be of no use to you if that is your final
determination.
Scripture says,...
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works." (2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
-).
This is the Robert translation...
(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
'All scripture is given to me (Robert) to interpret as I see fit
and is
profitable for my personal religious beliefs, for correcting
those who
are at odds with my doctrine, for reproving those who flout my
understanding and for instructing others in my righteousness. That I
may be revered, and those who drink my religion are thoroughly
furnished
unto all my ways.'
Amen.
Here is the truth, you can't walk in the Spirit of Truth so you
have to
rely on your intellect.
Not enough, Buddy.
Look at the word 'That' in your quote. You do this so that 'that'
can
happen. You still need to be indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness because you still walk in your sin.
It is crystal clear, no excuses.
You can't put your bible down because you are not cleansed of all
unrighteousness and are unable to walk in the earth and the fullness
thereof in the Spirit with the Lord. You need power from above,
Buddy.
Not my fault.
Michael Christ
I did not say anything was your fault, in this post or thread.
Never inferred it either.
It is your own fault, that is why. You are still stuck in your
man-centred theology, Buddy.
Post by Robert
As to my walk with the Lord and in the spirit you have no
knowledge to support your statements.
There is a move of God on the way of fulfilling what has already
started. Jesus will reveal himself through his people and the
gates of hell cannot contain the actions of His people.
All the trivial denominational and religious talk here on the
Usenet will pale behind the revelations of the Lord, you can
either be a part of it or be left by the wayside.
The same for all of us
As per your bible quote mandate imposes on you...
When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Until then keep your self-righteous religious un-thoroughly furnished
dogma-jargon abuse to yourself. Thanks.
When are you ever going to learn, Robert, that man was not made for
the
bible, man was made for a relationship with the Lord...without
ink???!!!
Is God not able????????????????????????????????????
Michael Christ
You are the same false prophet you always were.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works."(2Ti 3:16-17, KJV)
"Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the
Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the
subverting of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word
of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will
increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a
canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;"(2Ti 2:14-17, KJV)
In your case it is your refusal to share the word of God, Scripture,
and tell them they have no need to know these things and as a result
will have nothing to test and try the spirits such as you who would
seek to deny scripture.
I was hoping you would come back a better man.
You mean like you?? :-)))).
Like you were told...follow your bible directive...hypocrite...
"When you have been sufficiently indoctrinated, reproved, corrected and
instructed in righteousness by the Lord, then I will listen to you as
man thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
Otherwise, take your self-righteousness religion and shove it up your
arse.
Thank you.
Michael Christ
My righteousness is of God Almighty, not of myself. So I cannot boast
about it.
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things
are passed away; behold, all things are become new."(2Co 5:17, KJV)
One that doesn't need reproving and correcting and instruction in
righteousness or one who does?? :-).
Be a man.
You are a coward who always does a runner.
Since you are not prepared to humble. 'One who does not need changing
anymore'. A new creature never has to repent, the old has passed away,
and all things are become new.
You don't even know of what you speak, it is all vain imagination on your part, in large part because you do not study the word of God, in another way because of the state of your spirit.
Post by Michael Christ
He's born again.
Yet you have spoken against that.
Post by Michael Christ
The righteousness of God does not repent, does not need 'doctrine,
reproof, correction, instruction in righteousness'. Why?
God has repented.
Just one example,...
"And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite."(1Ch 21:15, KJV)
Post by Michael Christ
Because he was...and WAS MADE the righteousness of Christ.
Michael Christ
PS You are stuck in religion sinner justifying doctrine, Buddy. Seated
in Christ Jesus in heavenly places is not a sinner claiming the
righteousness of Christ (e.g. Sproul, Zacharias), there are only those
who are sinless, pure, holy, without spot or blemish, a 'white as snow'
bride that THE LORD RAISED UP in them in Him.
A sinner is a sinner is a sinner and THE WAGES OF A SINNER IS DEATH,
practicing and peccadillo and so called non-practicing (rubbish
religious talk) sinner alike!
You concoct your own doctrines, and do not like being held accountable to the Word of God.
You have no battle with me, I am not the Lord, your battle is with him and until you, as you say, Humble Yourself, to him you will be left wandering around in this world of woe.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ
Post by Robert
"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus
Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;"(2Co
5:18, KJV)
"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,
not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us
the word of reconciliation."(2Co 5:19, KJV)
"Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you
by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God."(2Co
5:20, KJV)
"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might
be made the righteousness of God in him."(2Co 5:21, KJV)
The Christ here that is spoken of is not you.
Not floating around in Robbo religion lala land, sorry. See Duke for that.
There...is...no...sinner...who...has...the...righteousness...of...Christ!
For obvious reasons.
That is how deluded you are and deluded your doctrines are.
You are a sinner, that is why you need this...
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is
profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
And are not yet this...
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto
all good works.
You are wasting your time arguing about it.
You did not see me arguing about it. You cannot read what is right in front of your face. It is as if you have the blinders of Satan in front of your eyes.
By your own words you are a sinner, without hope, you have been self condemned.
Make a false accusation intentionally, you are a sinner.
Tell a Lie, you are a sinner.
Use foul language and speak despairingly about others, you are a sinner.
You know yourself better than I.If you are not born again you are a sinner as well as a hypocrite before all men.
So tell us again what happens to sinners?
Michael Christ
You don't know what you are saying, read the other post.
Michael Christ
You will see my answer there, but the questions asked her still beg answering.
d***@cox.net
2020-08-15 15:56:04 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
The righteousness of God does not repent, does not need 'doctrine,
reproof, correction, instruction in righteousness'. Why?
God has repented.
Just one example,...
"And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite."(1Ch 21:15, KJV)
Haahaahaa. Robert lives in the movies. He sees man speaking and believes in
movies..

the dukester, American-American
Andrew W
2020-08-06 04:29:41 UTC
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Think about it.
Yourself?
The deeds of Satan
A religion?
God, through His Son Jesus Christ
Think about it once again, and answer or recognize what you Glorify.
When one defends what they believe by the doctrines and dogma's of their
religion they are glorifying their religion, they have no knowledge of the
truth.
You cannot glorify God of yourselves, it is not in you.
Those that worship God must, as Jesus has spoken,...
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship
the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship
him." John 4:23
And again,...
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and
in truth." John 4:24
Worship of an invisible deity can make you morally blind, especially when
taken too far. Together with fear and guilt it can make a person very easy
to manipulate. This has been proven with Koran believers and others.
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The golden rule with food - if it smells strange from the fridge then throw
it in the bin. With Christianity, if it sounds strange and it's from the
Bible then you must embrace it as the word of God.

A question to all Christians: Was the Bible inspired or dictated? Because if
it was just inspired then it can't be called God's word.

http://www.rumormillnews.com -- The best alternative news site.
Robert
2020-08-06 05:50:09 UTC
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Post by Robert
Think about it.
Yourself?
The deeds of Satan
A religion?
God, through His Son Jesus Christ
Think about it once again, and answer or recognize what you Glorify.
When one defends what they believe by the doctrines and dogma's of their
religion they are glorifying their religion, they have no knowledge of the
truth.
You cannot glorify God of yourselves, it is not in you.
Those that worship God must, as Jesus has spoken,...
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship
the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship
him." John 4:23
And again,...
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and
in truth." John 4:24
Worship of an invisible deity can make you morally blind, especially when
taken too far. Together with fear and guilt it can make a person very easy
to manipulate. This has been proven with Koran believers and others.
The koran is of a false god, and all of it is of the spirit of Antichrist.
Andrew W
2020-08-06 12:26:58 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Andrew W
Post by Robert
Think about it.
Yourself?
The deeds of Satan
A religion?
God, through His Son Jesus Christ
Think about it once again, and answer or recognize what you Glorify.
When one defends what they believe by the doctrines and dogma's of their
religion they are glorifying their religion, they have no knowledge of the
truth.
You cannot glorify God of yourselves, it is not in you.
Those that worship God must, as Jesus has spoken,...
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship
the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship
him." John 4:23
And again,...
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and
in truth." John 4:24
Worship of an invisible deity can make you morally blind, especially when
taken too far. Together with fear and guilt it can make a person very easy
to manipulate. This has been proven with Koran believers and others.
The koran is of a false god, and all of it is of the spirit of Antichrist.
Many Koran believers say the exact same thing about the Bible God.

Religion has made some people insane.

Consider this contradiction in terms. The Christian God claims to be all
loving. Yet he requires bloodshed, violence and death in order to forgive
humans for mostly petty things. Is his violence and cruelty not greater than
that of the accused? He enforces morality, but how is it moral to want the
slaying and the blood of an innocent person in order to just forgive
everyone else for misdemeanours that could have been curbed in many other
ways? What kind of bad example does this God set?
--
http://members.optusnet.com.au/ajwerner/

The golden rule with food - if it smells strange from the fridge then throw
it in the bin. With Christianity, if it sounds strange and it's from the
Bible then you must embrace it as the word of God.

A question to all Christians: Was the Bible inspired or dictated? Because if
it was just inspired then it can't be called God's word.

http://www.rumormillnews.com -- The best alternative news site.
Robert
2020-08-06 17:19:20 UTC
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Post by Andrew W
Post by Robert
Post by Andrew W
Post by Robert
Think about it.
Yourself?
The deeds of Satan
A religion?
God, through His Son Jesus Christ
Think about it once again, and answer or recognize what you Glorify.
When one defends what they believe by the doctrines and dogma's of their
religion they are glorifying their religion, they have no knowledge of the
truth.
You cannot glorify God of yourselves, it is not in you.
Those that worship God must, as Jesus has spoken,...
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship
the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship
him." John 4:23
And again,...
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and
in truth." John 4:24
Worship of an invisible deity can make you morally blind, especially when
taken too far. Together with fear and guilt it can make a person very easy
to manipulate. This has been proven with Koran believers and others.
The koran is of a false god, and all of it is of the spirit of Antichrist.
Many Koran believers say the exact same thing about the Bible God.
As do you, so what? Did their God rise from the dead? Heal people, perform many miracles, bring peace to the hearts of those who follow him?
Post by Andrew W
Religion has made some people insane.
Yes, you are correct, religions of modern men have done that as they added confusion straight from the author of confusion into the mix.

Christ came to bring peace to the heart, peace that is beyond the understanding of men without God.
Post by Andrew W
Consider this contradiction in terms. The Christian God claims to be all
loving. Yet he requires bloodshed, violence and death in order to forgive
humans for mostly petty things. Is his violence and cruelty not greater than
that of the accused? He enforces morality, but how is it moral to want the
slaying and the blood of an innocent person in order to just forgive
everyone else for misdemeanours that could have been curbed in many other
ways? What kind of bad example does this God set?
What you said is in total error.

The Christian God is a just God.

He does not require bloodshed, violence, cruelty. He alone offered up his life for all of the sinful men who are willing to follow him, recognize and repent from their sin. To you a lie, or bearing false witness against another may seem small and petty, yet even in this modern age look at how many mens lives have been ruined and their families devastated by those things and had to live a live of total misery and shame, like a molested child or someone who was raped had to deal with it all their lives and many have committed suicide over these things.

What morals has he enforced? If you speak of the Mosaic Commandments those laws where solely the Israelites responsibility to fulfill. It was a contractural agreement between them and God, along with all the blessings and curses attached to it.

As to Jesus having to die for ALL sins, yes, in order that you can be freed, and once freed he supplies the tools and the strengths necessary to walk the walk. Could it have been cured in other ways? Name some. That is a pipe dream of those that are ignorant about the creation of men and their dominion of this earth which was created from them.

Think about it. God created the earth and all that was in it, set it up to replicate life through the descendants of all living creatures, then created men in His image, and gave all that he created to that man. He had dominion over all the earth and the creatures in the earth. Set up in effect as a god over all the earth. Everything here was given to that man to do with as he pleased. And only one requirement, do not eat of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. But he also had a tree of eternal life there to eat from had he desired to do so. But what did he do?

He allowed himself to be deceived with a con job of Satan who first tempted the woman, and lied when he did. Now Adam was in a hot spot, he had the love for the flesh of his flesh, his wife, who ate of the tree yet seemed ok. And the knowledge that if he ate the forbidden fruit he would die. So he opted to eat the fruit to be with his wife. Thus yielding his dominion and rights to Satan, the destroyer. It was mans decision to do so, as well as his right to do whatever he desired with what God gave him. But it was a bad deal for him and all of his descendants. From that moment on we all were to be born under the authority of Satan who is now the god of this earth. And as it was through man, the first Adam that we lost all things Good, God told Adam that through his heirs would come a man who would reverse what he had done, and that was the God/man Jesus Christ.

You see, God works through men. Men that are willing to listen and follow him. He does not control men or their actions, while Satan, the destroyer has no problem with attempting to control men. To fill their hearts and minds with evil desires. Therefore through Jesus, the second Adam, God has delivered man, delivering those who are willing and seeking God from the ending that was made for Satan and all of his angels. It was originally designed for them.

So I am not sure where you got all your ideas, but it was not from the studying of God's Word, and most likely it came from hearsay, religion, or thoughts straight from Satan as he is the deceiver. The Father of all lies.
Andrew W
2020-08-08 03:04:15 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Andrew W
Post by Robert
Post by Andrew W
Post by Robert
Think about it.
Yourself?
The deeds of Satan
A religion?
God, through His Son Jesus Christ
Think about it once again, and answer or recognize what you Glorify.
When one defends what they believe by the doctrines and dogma's of their
religion they are glorifying their religion, they have no knowledge
of
the
truth.
You cannot glorify God of yourselves, it is not in you.
Those that worship God must, as Jesus has spoken,...
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship
the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship
him." John 4:23
And again,...
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in
spirit
and
in truth." John 4:24
Worship of an invisible deity can make you morally blind, especially when
taken too far. Together with fear and guilt it can make a person very easy
to manipulate. This has been proven with Koran believers and others.
The koran is of a false god, and all of it is of the spirit of Antichrist.
Many Koran believers say the exact same thing about the Bible God.
As do you, so what?
It shows that religious book believing that enforces faith and worship,
creates bias, sectarianism and general unclear thinking.
Post by Robert
Did their God rise from the dead? Heal people, perform many miracles, bring
peace to the hearts of those who follow him?
A good God wouldn't have demanded that someone must be tortured and die in
the first place, just because some ants in one corner of the universe
offended him. What a snowflake.
In fact a physical body rising from death is impossible because the brain
deteriorates so much in a short time.
And only an evil god tries to make cruel violence, blood sacrifices and
death a good thing. The Bible is full of these kinds of reversals of
goodness.
Post by Robert
Post by Andrew W
Religion has made some people insane.
Yes, you are correct, religions of modern men have done that as they added
confusion straight from the author of confusion into the mix.
Christ came to bring peace to the heart, peace that is beyond the
understanding of men without God.
There's another thing. Jesus strangely has the opposite personality of the
OT god who was not a nice person at all.
Post by Robert
Post by Andrew W
Consider this contradiction in terms. The Christian God claims to be all
loving. Yet he requires bloodshed, violence and death in order to forgive
humans for mostly petty things. Is his violence and cruelty not greater than
that of the accused? He enforces morality, but how is it moral to want the
slaying and the blood of an innocent person in order to just forgive
everyone else for misdemeanours that could have been curbed in many other
ways? What kind of bad example does this God set?
What you said is in total error.
The Christian God is a just God.
That's just Christian rhetoric that contradicts Christian beliefs.
Post by Robert
He does not require bloodshed, violence, cruelty.
The scriptures say otherwise. You may also be suffering from cognitive
dissonance like the rest. Religion has been proven to do this.
Post by Robert
He alone offered up his life for all of the sinful men who are willing to
follow him, recognize and repent from their sin.
Only because his so called father commanded it. Jesus only complied out of
obedience but asked that this be lifted, but it was denied. God refused to
come and save him from the blood thirsty rabble.
Post by Robert
To you a lie, or bearing false witness against another may seem small and
petty, yet even in this modern age look at how many mens lives have been
ruined and their families devastated by those things and had to live a
Post by Andrew W
life of total misery and shame, like a molested child or someone who was
raped had to deal with it all their lives and many have committed suicide
over these things.
Lies have not caused as much harm as the OT god with his violent examples,
demands for blood and 'payment' and 'ransom' and saying that the 'price is
death'.
Post by Robert
What morals has he enforced? If you speak of the Mosaic Commandments those
laws where solely the Israelites responsibility to fulfill. It was a
contractural agreement between them and God, along with all the blessings
and curses attached to it.
A true Creator is not a respecter of persons so he would not show
favouritism to one people. No, this god was a tribal physical god that
walked the earth. He wasn't the Creator of the universe.
Post by Robert
As to Jesus having to die for ALL sins, yes, in order that you can be
freed, and once freed he supplies the tools and the strengths necessary to
walk the walk. Could it have been cured in other ways? Name some. That is a
pipe dream of those that are ignorant about the creation of men and their
dominion of this earth which was created from them.
Dying for everyone's sins makes everyone less responsible. Plus it shows
that this god only wanted revenge but didn't care who did what. It doesn't
create an example of proper justice or empower us to manage things. It just
creates irrational guilt and confusion. You have to admit that the message
of the cross is confusing.
A better solution would have been to teach humanity from the start that so
we learn to govern our own issues and short comings. But why did God make
humans so dumb, rebellious and selfish? If we're made in his image then he
must be those things too.
Post by Robert
Think about it. God created the earth and all that was in it, set it up to
replicate life through the descendants of all living creatures, then
created men in His image, and gave all that he created to that man. He had
dominion over all the earth and the creatures in the earth. Set up in
effect as a god over all the earth. Everything here was given to that man
to do with as he pleased. And only one requirement, do not eat of the tree
of knowledge of Good and Evil. But he also had a tree of eternal life there
to eat from had he desired to do so. But what did he do?
Trees can't give knowledge. That's magic. And serpents can't talk. Stop
believing children's stories.
Post by Robert
He allowed himself to be deceived with a con job of Satan who first tempted
the woman, and lied when he did. Now Adam was in a hot spot, he had the
love for the flesh of his flesh, his wife, who ate of the tree yet seemed
ok. And the knowledge that if he ate the forbidden fruit he would die. So
he opted to eat the fruit to be with his wife. Thus yielding his dominion
and rights to Satan, the destroyer. It was mans decision to do so, as well
as his right to do whatever he desired with what God gave him. But it was a
bad deal for him and all of his descendants. From that moment on we all
were to be born under the authority of Satan who is now the god of this
earth. And as it was through man, the first Adam that we lost all things
Good, God told Adam that through his heirs would come a man who would
reverse what he had done, and that was the God/man Jesus Christ.
Think about it. Without the knowledge from the 'tree' they couldn't have
made a proper decision. And their only crime was being dumb enough to
believe everything a serpent said which they were not warned about.
And how did the serpent get there?
And where was God at this point to protect or advise them?
And why weren't they given a second chance?
And why weren't they warned of all the future terrible implications for the
rest of us?
And how does one bad choice transfer to a person's genetics?
The story is so dumb and simplistic on every level, but it has been used for
millennia to control and abuse humanity using guilt and fear. This is how
evil enslaves souls.
Post by Robert
You see, God works through men. Men that are willing to listen and follow
him.
Follow who? Where is this so called just God to help us with our huge crime
and war problems? He allegedly helped people millennia ago. Where did he go?
Why aren't there any more prophets?
Our world is in a bad way. Clearly this god has worked in more bad people to
give them opportunities than helping good people overcome evil.
Post by Robert
He does not control men or their actions, while Satan, the destroyer has no
problem with attempting to control men. To fill their hearts and minds with
evil desires.
Commandments, plus saying 'my will, not yours' is control. He even had to
issue a commandment for us to love him, as if love can be commanded. Or
would be by a selfless truly loving Creator.
Therefore through Jesus, the second Adam, God has delivered man, delivering
those who are willing and seeking God from the ending that was made for
Satan and all of his angels. It was originally designed for them.
Post by Robert
So I am not sure where you got all your ideas, but it was not from the
studying of God's Word, and most likely it came from hearsay, religion, or
thoughts straight from Satan as he is the deceiver. The Father of all lies.
What 'God's word'? Inspiration doesn't make the resulting writings the
Creator's actual words. That would be dictation.
Plus free will/choice makes it that the original writers could choose to
write false things and we would have to choose to believe if it's true or
not. Free choice goes both ways.
--
http://members.optusnet.com.au/ajwerner/

The golden rule with food - if it smells strange from the fridge then throw
it in the bin. With Christianity, if it sounds strange and it's from the
Bible then you must embrace it as the word of God.

A question to all Christians: Was the Bible inspired or dictated? Because if
it was just inspired then it can't be called God's word.

http://www.rumormillnews.com -- The best alternative news site.
Robert
2020-08-08 23:06:06 UTC
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Post by Andrew W
Post by Robert
Post by Andrew W
Post by Robert
Post by Andrew W
Post by Robert
Think about it.
Yourself?
The deeds of Satan
A religion?
God, through His Son Jesus Christ
Think about it once again, and answer or recognize what you Glorify.
When one defends what they believe by the doctrines and dogma's of
their
religion they are glorifying their religion, they have no knowledge
of
the
truth.
You cannot glorify God of yourselves, it is not in you.
Those that worship God must, as Jesus has spoken,...
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall
worship
the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to
worship
him." John 4:23
And again,...
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in
spirit
and
in truth." John 4:24
Worship of an invisible deity can make you morally blind, especially when
taken too far. Together with fear and guilt it can make a person very easy
to manipulate. This has been proven with Koran believers and others.
The koran is of a false god, and all of it is of the spirit of Antichrist.
Many Koran believers say the exact same thing about the Bible God.
As do you, so what?
It shows that religious book believing that enforces faith and worship,
creates bias, sectarianism and general unclear thinking.
And so it is with all man made religions of all types, even those that seem Godly but deny the power thereof.

The decrees of men, will always fail.
Post by Andrew W
Post by Robert
Did their God rise from the dead? Heal people, perform many miracles, bring
peace to the hearts of those who follow him?
A good God wouldn't have demanded that someone must be tortured and die in
the first place, just because some ants in one corner of the universe
offended him. What a snowflake.
In fact a physical body rising from death is impossible because the brain
deteriorates so much in a short time.
And only an evil god tries to make cruel violence, blood sacrifices and
death a good thing. The Bible is full of these kinds of reversals of
goodness.
And yet Christ arose, arose a victor over a dark domain. And then witnessed and testified of by many people who went into all corners of the earth proclaiming He arose as promised. Yes, in the natural was you said is true, but here we are dealing with the SuperNatural things you dream of but cannot handle.
Post by Andrew W
Post by Robert
Post by Andrew W
Religion has made some people insane.
Yes, you are correct, religions of modern men have done that as they added
confusion straight from the author of confusion into the mix.
Christ came to bring peace to the heart, peace that is beyond the
understanding of men without God.
There's another thing. Jesus strangely has the opposite personality of the
OT god who was not a nice person at all.
No, he does not, in fact he is one and the same. I have heard that same tired story from many people, none of who have taken the time to study the word of God in the OT to see and know the mind of God. Instead they go by rumors, traditional stories of men. Religionists who try and keep people under the law and their control as the true holders of salvation while they keep you in misery. So effective are they that that is the only God that atheists know, the God that was taught them by the RCC and similar religions. Yeah, the brainwashing of their doctrines has been very effective so that you all believe a lie.
Post by Andrew W
Post by Robert
Post by Andrew W
Consider this contradiction in terms. The Christian God claims to be all
loving. Yet he requires bloodshed, violence and death in order to forgive
humans for mostly petty things. Is his violence and cruelty not greater than
that of the accused? He enforces morality, but how is it moral to want the
slaying and the blood of an innocent person in order to just forgive
everyone else for misdemeanours that could have been curbed in many other
ways? What kind of bad example does this God set?
What you said is in total error.
The Christian God is a just God.
That's just Christian rhetoric that contradicts Christian beliefs.
How would you know?
Post by Andrew W
Post by Robert
He does not require bloodshed, violence, cruelty.
The scriptures say otherwise. You may also be suffering from cognitive
dissonance like the rest. Religion has been proven to do this.
Religion yes, Bible no. I see you proffering no proof of your statements.
Post by Andrew W
Post by Robert
He alone offered up his life for all of the sinful men who are willing to
follow him, recognize and repent from their sin.
Only because his so called father commanded it. Jesus only complied out of
obedience but asked that this be lifted, but it was denied. God refused to
come and save him from the blood thirsty rabble.
Jesus knew what he came to do, he recognized the evil he was about to face and face alone. Yes, he asked God if there could be another way, and then said, nevertheless thy will be done. He did what he did, willingly and did it just for you as if you were the only person in the world worth saving, yet you spit upon His work and Love for you. You and I know that you aren't worth spit in and of yourself, but that is not the way he beheld you. He cared for you and cares for you far better than you care for your own suicidal self.
Post by Andrew W
Post by Robert
To you a lie, or bearing false witness against another may seem small and
petty, yet even in this modern age look at how many mens lives have been
ruined and their families devastated by those things and had to live a
Post by Andrew W
life of total misery and shame, like a molested child or someone who was
raped had to deal with it all their lives and many have committed suicide
over these things.
Lies have not caused as much harm as the OT god with his violent examples,
demands for blood and 'payment' and 'ransom' and saying that the 'price is
death'.
Lies have caused his death.
Post by Andrew W
Post by Robert
What morals has he enforced? If you speak of the Mosaic Commandments those
laws where solely the Israelites responsibility to fulfill. It was a
contractural agreement between them and God, along with all the blessings
and curses attached to it.
A true Creator is not a respecter of persons so he would not show
favouritism to one people. No, this god was a tribal physical god that
walked the earth. He wasn't the Creator of the universe.
The creator is not a respecter of persons. He clearly states that. He is the creator of all things, and the people you say he showed favoritism too, suffered the most because of their failure to keep their part of the bargain. Read the OT and see for yourself.
Post by Andrew W
Post by Robert
As to Jesus having to die for ALL sins, yes, in order that you can be
freed, and once freed he supplies the tools and the strengths necessary to
walk the walk. Could it have been cured in other ways? Name some. That is a
pipe dream of those that are ignorant about the creation of men and their
dominion of this earth which was created from them.
Dying for everyone's sins makes everyone less responsible. Plus it shows
that this god only wanted revenge but didn't care who did what. It doesn't
create an example of proper justice or empower us to manage things. It just
creates irrational guilt and confusion. You have to admit that the message
of the cross is confusing.
No, I don't. It is not confusing in the least to me.
Man Fell. God had established a plan to rescue him, knowing full well that mankind did not have it in them to rescue themselves. How many years was the Mosaic Covenant in existence and yet not one of them remained or learn how to walk sinlessly, and no one cried out to God saying that the law simply cannot be followed totally, cried Uncle, and asked for help out of the mess.
Post by Andrew W
A better solution would have been to teach humanity from the start that so
we learn to govern our own issues and short comings. But why did God make
humans so dumb, rebellious and selfish? If we're made in his image then he
must be those things too.
We had no short comings in the beginning. The world was perfect and all that was in it.

Rebelliousness and selfishness, are a full part of the god of this earth, whose god over man. When we fell we took on the destroyers characteristics.

Adam was no dummy, he named all the animals. Perhaps the vegetation as well. He walked and talked with God in the cool of the evening and no one knows for how many years. His children built cities, were farmers and ranchers, as well as businessmen.

It was a thriving world, yet they all ran amuck and grew worse and worse.
Post by Andrew W
Post by Robert
Think about it. God created the earth and all that was in it, set it up to
replicate life through the descendants of all living creatures, then
created men in His image, and gave all that he created to that man. He had
dominion over all the earth and the creatures in the earth. Set up in
effect as a god over all the earth. Everything here was given to that man
to do with as he pleased. And only one requirement, do not eat of the tree
of knowledge of Good and Evil. But he also had a tree of eternal life there
to eat from had he desired to do so. But what did he do?
Trees can't give knowledge. That's magic. And serpents can't talk. Stop
believing children's stories.
An ass also spoke. It was the fruit of the tree that brought forth the knowledge of Good an Evil, not the tree.

If necessary God can cause the rocks to cry out his name.
Post by Andrew W
Post by Robert
He allowed himself to be deceived with a con job of Satan who first tempted
the woman, and lied when he did. Now Adam was in a hot spot, he had the
love for the flesh of his flesh, his wife, who ate of the tree yet seemed
ok. And the knowledge that if he ate the forbidden fruit he would die. So
he opted to eat the fruit to be with his wife. Thus yielding his dominion
and rights to Satan, the destroyer. It was mans decision to do so, as well
as his right to do whatever he desired with what God gave him. But it was a
bad deal for him and all of his descendants. From that moment on we all
were to be born under the authority of Satan who is now the god of this
earth. And as it was through man, the first Adam that we lost all things
Good, God told Adam that through his heirs would come a man who would
reverse what he had done, and that was the God/man Jesus Christ.
Think about it. Without the knowledge from the 'tree' they couldn't have
made a proper decision. And their only crime was being dumb enough to
believe everything a serpent said which they were not warned about.
Do you have to sin to know what you did is wrong?
Post by Andrew W
And how did the serpent get there?
He was a created being. He was not serpent without legs at the time. He was a beautiful to look at creature. The creature was cursed from that point on for allowing Satan to speak through him. Seems to me you should read it all over again, really/
Post by Andrew W
And where was God at this point to protect or advise them?
Ready if asked.
Post by Andrew W
And why weren't they given a second chance?
They were sinners. Once marred alway Marred.
Post by Andrew W
And why weren't they warned of all the future terrible implications for the
rest of us?
Does it matter to you for your heirs?
Post by Andrew W
And how does one bad choice transfer to a person's genetics?
How would one good choice, like eating the fruit of everlasting life have changed genetics?
Post by Andrew W
The story is so dumb and simplistic on every level, but it has been used for
millennia to control and abuse humanity using guilt and fear. This is how
evil enslaves souls.
In what way? Time for you to think about it. How has the Bible controlled you, or was religion the tool used to control you.
Post by Andrew W
Post by Robert
You see, God works through men. Men that are willing to listen and follow
him.
Follow who? Where is this so called just God to help us with our huge crime
and war problems? He allegedly helped people millennia ago. Where did he go?
Why aren't there any more prophets?
Our world is in a bad way. Clearly this god has worked in more bad people to
give them opportunities than helping good people overcome evil.
When will the light dawn on you? He left man in charge of this planet. During this age he does offer his Holy Spirit to dwell within the hearts of mankind.

Why should he take it back and over rule every human on this planet? Can you imagine the furor of all those who say he doesn't exist would be like? Many would prefer the status quo. What then? God did not make a mistake.
Post by Andrew W
Post by Robert
He does not control men or their actions, while Satan, the destroyer has no
problem with attempting to control men. To fill their hearts and minds with
evil desires.
Commandments, plus saying 'my will, not yours' is control. He even had to
issue a commandment for us to love him, as if love can be commanded. Or
would be by a selfless truly loving Creator.
It was agreed upon by the Jew. Are you a Jew? If not then what makes you culpable for the mistakes of the law?
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Therefore through Jesus, the second Adam, God has delivered man, delivering
those who are willing and seeking God from the ending that was made for
Satan and all of his angels. It was originally designed for them.
So I am not sure where you got all your ideas, but it was not from the
studying of God's Word, and most likely it came from hearsay, religion, or
thoughts straight from Satan as he is the deceiver. The Father of all lies.
What 'God's word'? Inspiration doesn't make the resulting writings the
Creator's actual words. That would be dictation.
Plus free will/choice makes it that the original writers could choose to
write false things and we would have to choose to believe if it's true or
not. Free choice goes both ways.
His exact Words are often recorded and some times he is very specific about that like in like in the book of the revelations, some are inspired He would not give his inspired words to a non believer to repeat for to others.
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Think about it.
Yourself?
The deeds of Satan
A religion?
God, through His Son Jesus Christ
Think about it once again, and answer or recognize what you Glorify.
When one defends what they believe by the doctrines and dogma's of their
religion they are glorifying their religion, they have no knowledge of the
truth.
You cannot glorify God of yourselves, it is not in you.
Those that worship God must, as Jesus has spoken,...
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship
the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship
him." John 4:23
And again,...
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and
in truth." John 4:24
Worship of an invisible deity can make you morally blind, especially when
taken too far. Together with fear and guilt it can make a person very easy
to manipulate. This has been proven with Koran believers and others.
The koran is of a false god, and all of it is of the spirit of Antichrist.
Many Koran believers say the exact same thing about the Bible God.
As do you, so what? Did their God rise from the dead? Heal people, perform many miracles, bring peace to the hearts of those who follow him?
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Religion has made some people insane.
Yes, you are correct, religions of modern men have done that as they added confusion straight from the author of confusion into the mix.
Christ came to bring peace to the heart, peace that is beyond the understanding of men without God.
Jesus **IS** God. You still haven't figured this out yet?
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Consider this contradiction in terms. The Christian God claims to be all
loving. Yet he requires bloodshed, violence and death in order to forgive
humans for mostly petty things.
You sure don't know the Christian God.
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Is his violence and cruelty not greater than
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that of the accused? He enforces morality, but how is it moral to want the
slaying and the blood of an innocent person in order to just forgive
everyone else for misdemeanours that could have been curbed in many other
ways? What kind of bad example does this God set?
Probably one for robert.
the dukester, American-American
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