Post by RobertPost by Andrew WPost by RobertPost by Andrew WPost by RobertThink about it.
Yourself?
The deeds of Satan
A religion?
God, through His Son Jesus Christ
Think about it once again, and answer or recognize what you Glorify.
When one defends what they believe by the doctrines and dogma's of their
religion they are glorifying their religion, they have no knowledge
of
the
truth.
You cannot glorify God of yourselves, it is not in you.
Those that worship God must, as Jesus has spoken,...
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship
the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship
him." John 4:23
And again,...
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in
spirit
and
in truth." John 4:24
Worship of an invisible deity can make you morally blind, especially when
taken too far. Together with fear and guilt it can make a person very easy
to manipulate. This has been proven with Koran believers and others.
The koran is of a false god, and all of it is of the spirit of Antichrist.
Many Koran believers say the exact same thing about the Bible God.
As do you, so what?
It shows that religious book believing that enforces faith and worship,
creates bias, sectarianism and general unclear thinking.
Post by RobertDid their God rise from the dead? Heal people, perform many miracles, bring
peace to the hearts of those who follow him?
A good God wouldn't have demanded that someone must be tortured and die in
the first place, just because some ants in one corner of the universe
offended him. What a snowflake.
In fact a physical body rising from death is impossible because the brain
deteriorates so much in a short time.
And only an evil god tries to make cruel violence, blood sacrifices and
death a good thing. The Bible is full of these kinds of reversals of
goodness.
Post by RobertPost by Andrew WReligion has made some people insane.
Yes, you are correct, religions of modern men have done that as they added
confusion straight from the author of confusion into the mix.
Christ came to bring peace to the heart, peace that is beyond the
understanding of men without God.
There's another thing. Jesus strangely has the opposite personality of the
OT god who was not a nice person at all.
Post by RobertPost by Andrew WConsider this contradiction in terms. The Christian God claims to be all
loving. Yet he requires bloodshed, violence and death in order to forgive
humans for mostly petty things. Is his violence and cruelty not greater than
that of the accused? He enforces morality, but how is it moral to want the
slaying and the blood of an innocent person in order to just forgive
everyone else for misdemeanours that could have been curbed in many other
ways? What kind of bad example does this God set?
What you said is in total error.
The Christian God is a just God.
That's just Christian rhetoric that contradicts Christian beliefs.
Post by RobertHe does not require bloodshed, violence, cruelty.
The scriptures say otherwise. You may also be suffering from cognitive
dissonance like the rest. Religion has been proven to do this.
Post by RobertHe alone offered up his life for all of the sinful men who are willing to
follow him, recognize and repent from their sin.
Only because his so called father commanded it. Jesus only complied out of
obedience but asked that this be lifted, but it was denied. God refused to
come and save him from the blood thirsty rabble.
Post by RobertTo you a lie, or bearing false witness against another may seem small and
petty, yet even in this modern age look at how many mens lives have been
ruined and their families devastated by those things and had to live a
Post by Andrew Wlife of total misery and shame, like a molested child or someone who was
raped had to deal with it all their lives and many have committed suicide
over these things.
Lies have not caused as much harm as the OT god with his violent examples,
demands for blood and 'payment' and 'ransom' and saying that the 'price is
death'.
Post by RobertWhat morals has he enforced? If you speak of the Mosaic Commandments those
laws where solely the Israelites responsibility to fulfill. It was a
contractural agreement between them and God, along with all the blessings
and curses attached to it.
A true Creator is not a respecter of persons so he would not show
favouritism to one people. No, this god was a tribal physical god that
walked the earth. He wasn't the Creator of the universe.
Post by RobertAs to Jesus having to die for ALL sins, yes, in order that you can be
freed, and once freed he supplies the tools and the strengths necessary to
walk the walk. Could it have been cured in other ways? Name some. That is a
pipe dream of those that are ignorant about the creation of men and their
dominion of this earth which was created from them.
Dying for everyone's sins makes everyone less responsible. Plus it shows
that this god only wanted revenge but didn't care who did what. It doesn't
create an example of proper justice or empower us to manage things. It just
creates irrational guilt and confusion. You have to admit that the message
of the cross is confusing.
A better solution would have been to teach humanity from the start that so
we learn to govern our own issues and short comings. But why did God make
humans so dumb, rebellious and selfish? If we're made in his image then he
must be those things too.
Post by RobertThink about it. God created the earth and all that was in it, set it up to
replicate life through the descendants of all living creatures, then
created men in His image, and gave all that he created to that man. He had
dominion over all the earth and the creatures in the earth. Set up in
effect as a god over all the earth. Everything here was given to that man
to do with as he pleased. And only one requirement, do not eat of the tree
of knowledge of Good and Evil. But he also had a tree of eternal life there
to eat from had he desired to do so. But what did he do?
Trees can't give knowledge. That's magic. And serpents can't talk. Stop
believing children's stories.
Post by RobertHe allowed himself to be deceived with a con job of Satan who first tempted
the woman, and lied when he did. Now Adam was in a hot spot, he had the
love for the flesh of his flesh, his wife, who ate of the tree yet seemed
ok. And the knowledge that if he ate the forbidden fruit he would die. So
he opted to eat the fruit to be with his wife. Thus yielding his dominion
and rights to Satan, the destroyer. It was mans decision to do so, as well
as his right to do whatever he desired with what God gave him. But it was a
bad deal for him and all of his descendants. From that moment on we all
were to be born under the authority of Satan who is now the god of this
earth. And as it was through man, the first Adam that we lost all things
Good, God told Adam that through his heirs would come a man who would
reverse what he had done, and that was the God/man Jesus Christ.
Think about it. Without the knowledge from the 'tree' they couldn't have
made a proper decision. And their only crime was being dumb enough to
believe everything a serpent said which they were not warned about.
And how did the serpent get there?
And where was God at this point to protect or advise them?
And why weren't they given a second chance?
And why weren't they warned of all the future terrible implications for the
rest of us?
And how does one bad choice transfer to a person's genetics?
The story is so dumb and simplistic on every level, but it has been used for
millennia to control and abuse humanity using guilt and fear. This is how
evil enslaves souls.
Post by RobertYou see, God works through men. Men that are willing to listen and follow
him.
Follow who? Where is this so called just God to help us with our huge crime
and war problems? He allegedly helped people millennia ago. Where did he go?
Why aren't there any more prophets?
Our world is in a bad way. Clearly this god has worked in more bad people to
give them opportunities than helping good people overcome evil.
Post by RobertHe does not control men or their actions, while Satan, the destroyer has no
problem with attempting to control men. To fill their hearts and minds with
evil desires.
Commandments, plus saying 'my will, not yours' is control. He even had to
issue a commandment for us to love him, as if love can be commanded. Or
would be by a selfless truly loving Creator.
Therefore through Jesus, the second Adam, God has delivered man, delivering
those who are willing and seeking God from the ending that was made for
Satan and all of his angels. It was originally designed for them.
Post by RobertSo I am not sure where you got all your ideas, but it was not from the
studying of God's Word, and most likely it came from hearsay, religion, or
thoughts straight from Satan as he is the deceiver. The Father of all lies.
What 'God's word'? Inspiration doesn't make the resulting writings the
Creator's actual words. That would be dictation.
Plus free will/choice makes it that the original writers could choose to
write false things and we would have to choose to believe if it's true or
not. Free choice goes both ways.
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The golden rule with food - if it smells strange from the fridge then throw
it in the bin. With Christianity, if it sounds strange and it's from the
Bible then you must embrace it as the word of God.
A question to all Christians: Was the Bible inspired or dictated? Because if
it was just inspired then it can't be called God's word.
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