So how do you become a "biker" ?

[Cane]

All this bollocks about "bikers" got me thinking.

It's only a mode of transport for fucks sake.... or am I missing something?
Is having a motorcycle a lifestyle and attitude change that is not only
visible from the outside but significantly changes the person within?

"Look out everyone, it's a biker"

[Sean Doherty]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:20:07 +0000 (UTC), "Andy Wegg"

Cane muttered

Post by Cane
All this bollocks about "bikers" got me thinking.

SNIP
A friend of mine used to fulminate over this regularly, whereas I 've
never lost any sleep over it, it's just a word. I love my bikes and the
freedom of biking but I don't see myself as a "Biker", any more than I
do a "Car-er" but there are those that do - the wannabe outlaws usually.
And it's a handy label for the media to pin on a minority, in the lazy
way that they do.

AOL to that brother Wegg. I ride a bike, I enjoy riding them and
that's the end of it, really.

[Sorby]

Cane muttered

Post by Cane
All this bollocks about "bikers" got me thinking.

SNIP
A friend of mine used to fulminate over this regularly, whereas I 've
never lost any sleep over it, it's just a word. I love my bikes and the
freedom of biking but I don't see myself as a "Biker", any more than I
do a "Car-er" but there are those that do - the wannabe outlaws usually.
And it's a handy label for the media to pin on a minority, in the lazy
way that they do.

I think it's a relative label.

I've got friends who consider me a 'biker'.
I've got friends who consider me 'more of a biker' than other biking
friends.
I've got friends who I consider 'more of a biker' than I consider myself.

I think some people use the term 'biker' to describe someone who owns and/or
rides a bike.
Other people only use the term 'biker' for someone for whom bikes & biking
are inextricably woven into their everyday life.

To me it doesn't matter who uses the label and to whom the label is
attributed. At the end of the day..
..it gets dark and the shops shut.

[Rope]

Post by Sorby
I think some people use the term 'biker' to describe someone who owns and/or
rides a bike.
Other people only use the term 'biker' for someone for whom bikes & biking
are inextricably woven into their everyday life.
To me it doesn't matter who uses the label and to whom the label is
attributed. At the end of the day..
...it gets dark and the shops shut.

Only on Sundays in most areas, otherwise there are now quite a few 24hr
supermarkets - and don't forget service station shops - a lot of them don't
shut at night either!

[Phil Wattis]

Post by Cane
All this bollocks about "bikers" got me thinking.
It's only a mode of transport for fucks sake.... or am I missing something?
Is having a motorcycle a lifestyle and attitude change that is not only
visible from the outside but significantly changes the person within?
"Look out everyone, it's a biker"

I think there is something more to it than that.

Most people who own a car have no interest in motoring, it's a just a
convenient method of getting around. Only a very small minority of car
owners actually have a real interest in it.

I think with bikes it is exactly the reverse. The majority of bike
riders have a healthy/unhealthy interest in their bike and bike
related topics. I'd have thought only a small minority have no
interest other than 'it gets me from a to b and I can't afford/drive a
car'.

Then again, I may be deluding myself...


Phil.

[Rope]

Post by Cane
All this bollocks about "bikers" got me thinking.
It's only a mode of transport for fucks sake.... or am I missing something?
Is having a motorcycle a lifestyle and attitude change that is not only
visible from the outside but significantly changes the person within?
"Look out everyone, it's a biker"

Oh shit!

[Cane]

Post by Cane
All this bollocks about "bikers" got me thinking.
It's only a mode of transport for fucks sake.... or am I missing something?
Is having a motorcycle a lifestyle and attitude change that is not only
visible from the outside but significantly changes the person within?
"Look out everyone, it's a biker"

Hmmm... we have the '"biker's nod" to each other - why? Because we are a
brotherhood? Do we *choose* to differentiate ourselves from other road
users?

You might... I don't.

[Jeremy]

Post by Cane

Post by Cane
All this bollocks about "bikers" got me thinking.
It's only a mode of transport for fucks sake.... or am I missing

something?

Post by Cane
Is having a motorcycle a lifestyle and attitude change that is not only
visible from the outside but significantly changes the person within?
"Look out everyone, it's a biker"

Hmmm... we have the '"biker's nod" to each other - why? Because we are a
brotherhood? Do we *choose* to differentiate ourselves from other road
users?

You might... I don't.

Irrespective of who does and who doesn't, it happens. In the same way as
MG drivers acknowledge (or used to when I had one 20 years ago) each
other with a flash of the headlights. It's a sort of 'club' thing isn't
it. You park up someweher and if there is another biker there, chances
are you'll start talking about the bikes and stuff. It's an ice-breaker.
I'm waffling. As Phil said, it seems that people who ride bikes have
more of a passion for their transport than car drivers. Except for those
people who, by their choice of car, you *know* are passionate such as
the old MG drivers (er the drivers of old MG cars that is)...

[athomik]

Post by Cane

Hmmm... we have the '"biker's nod" to each other - why? Because we are a
brotherhood? Do we *choose* to differentiate ourselves from other road
users?

You might... I don't.

Landrover owners (SI-SIII) do, as do V-Dubbers (aircooled)

--
athomik

[Andrewr At Work]

"Cane" <***@ukrm.org> wrote in message news:bhvdvu$3iidl$***@ID-97762.news.uni-berlin.de

<SNIP, some stuff>

On a related note, since I went to the Rock 'n' Blues I've been
wondering how you go about becoming an Outlaw, an Angel or some-such.

Not that I'm thinking of doing it, any more than I'm thinking of
becoming Pope - it's just one of those things that has cpatured my
interest.

There were a number of probationary Outlaws wandering round the RnB, so
I know there is a certain amount of being shouted at and stuff to go
through, but I was more interested in the following;

1. How do you even get to the stage of being a probationary member? It
seems to me that wandering up to a gang of 1%ers and saying, "Please
mister, I want to be in your gang." would get you a sound kicking. I
also get the impression there's not much to do in the way of filling in
application forms and wearing your best suit for interviews.

2. All of the probationary Outlaws looked very similar to existing
memebers - do you have to have the right look before you start or do
they give you a little sheet full of grooming and styling tips to help
you achieve that look?

3. Is it actually possible to join if you are a sprots bike rider with
1 piece leathers, short hear and clean shaven visage?

4. Do the people who join actually have real jobs? None of them looked
like they might just stick their leathers and stained jeans in the
wardrobe on Sunday night and head into the office on Monday morning -
not even as tech support staff.

Amazingly the Outlaws web-site answers none of these questions, but I'm
sure that ukrm will know.
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:47:46 +0000 (UTC), "Andrewr At Work"

Post by Andrewr At Work
<SNIP, some stuff>
On a related note, since I went to the Rock 'n' Blues I've been
wondering how you go about becoming an Outlaw, an Angel or some-such.

A silly name helps.

[Andrewr At Work]

Post by Sean Doherty
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:47:46 +0000 (UTC), "Andrewr At Work"

Post by Andrewr At Work
<SNIP, some stuff>
On a related note, since I went to the Rock 'n' Blues I've been
wondering how you go about becoming an Outlaw, an Angel or some-such.

A silly name helps.

So if I start calling myself Mad Dog Andrew "the Northern Knifer"
Richardson then I'll have Angels and Outloaws queuing up to recruit me,
is that what you're saying?
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:53:54 +0000 (UTC), "Andrewr At Work"

Post by Andrewr At Work

Post by Sean Doherty
A silly name helps.

So if I start calling myself Mad Dog Andrew "the Northern Knifer"
Richardson then I'll have Angels and Outloaws queuing up to recruit me,
is that what you're saying?

That's the one.

[Ginge]

In article <***@mygate.mailgate.org>,
Andrewr At Work wrote...

Post by Andrewr At Work
So if I start calling myself Mad Dog Andrew "the Northern Knifer"
Richardson then I'll have Angels and Outloaws queuing up to recruit me,
is that what you're saying?

It doesn't matter, the name suits you. Do it!

[Andy Wegg]

Andrewr At Work muttered

Post by Andrewr At Work
On a related note, since I went to the Rock 'n' Blues I've been
wondering how you go about becoming an Outlaw, an Angel or some-such.
Not that I'm thinking of doing it, any more than I'm thinking of
becoming Pope - it's just one of those things that has cpatured my
interest.

You really, really don't want to do this, trust me. A mate of mine
years ago started to prospect for a patch club. Not a nice experience
for him or anyone else involved.

[Andrewr At Work]

Post by Andy Wegg
Andrewr At Work muttered

Post by Andrewr At Work
On a related note, since I went to the Rock 'n' Blues I've been
wondering how you go about becoming an Outlaw, an Angel or some-such.
Not that I'm thinking of doing it, any more than I'm thinking of
becoming Pope - it's just one of those things that has cpatured my
interest.

You really, really don't want to do this, trust me. A mate of mine
years ago started to prospect for a patch club. Not a nice experience
for him or anyone else involved.

Did he try to become Pope as well?

Can you do both? Pope Chicken-Fucker I

Maybe you missed the bit where I said "Not that I'm thinking of doing
it"
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[Andy Wegg]

Andrewr At Work muttered

Now that you mention it I do quite fancy becoming Pope, just to be
infallible on religious and moral matters ... wouldn't _that_ be a
superb trump card to play in ukrm debates?
Maybe if I get to be the Pontiff I can write to the Angels and ask them
for an honourary membership, I'm sure they'd do it just for the free
publicity.

It's a plan....

[Platypus]

Post by Andrewr At Work

Post by Andy Wegg
Andrewr At Work muttered

Post by Andrewr At Work
On a related note, since I went to the Rock 'n' Blues I've been
wondering how you go about becoming an Outlaw, an Angel or some-such.
Not that I'm thinking of doing it, any more than I'm thinking of
becoming Pope - it's just one of those things that has cpatured my
interest.

You really, really don't want to do this, trust me. A mate of mine
years ago started to prospect for a patch club. Not a nice experience
for him or anyone else involved.

Did he try to become Pope as well?
Can you do both? Pope Chicken-Fucker I

A friend of mine once prospected for the HA and the CMA at the same
time.

[William Grainger]

Post by Andrewr At Work
1. How do you even get to the stage of being a probationary member? It
seems to me that wandering up to a gang of 1%ers and saying, "Please
mister, I want to be in your gang." would get you a sound kicking. I
also get the impression there's not much to do in the way of filling in
application forms and wearing your best suit for interviews.

You are invited. Well, _you_ wouldn't be, but you know what I mean.

I thought this might be the case. Presumably it's not just a case
of looking the part either; getting noticed by being loud at
RnB and similar is part of it yes?

Or do recruiters just wait outside court? ;-)

[Wizard]

In article <16e3e81ffb31bd2049ff7a64f799b5db.89895
@mygate.mailgate.org>, Andrewr At Work

Post by Andrewr At Work
On a related note, since I went to the Rock 'n' Blues I've been
wondering how you go about becoming an Outlaw, an Angel or some-such.

<SNIP>

Post by Andrewr At Work
Amazingly the Outlaws web-site answers none of these questions, but I'm
sure that ukrm will know.

I was trying to explain UKRM to a friend recently. She thinks of
it as 'a biker gang on the Internet' and has trouble getting her
head round it.

Her: So, are they anything like the Hells Angels?

Me: Well, only in a limited way. It's a case of "We're UKRM- don't
mess with us, or we'll type some *very* cutting comments about
you".

Her: So do they eat live chickens?

Me: Er, no. But they do have BBQs, which sometimes include
chicken. Dead.

Her: So if an outsider wanders in, is there a stony silence
followed by them getting beaten up?

Me: Er... it's more likely that they'd find their spelling and
grammar criticised. And the layout of their postings.

Her: Right... er... do you get badges for, say, shagging a black
menstruating woman in front of the group?

Me: Not as far as I know. But I have got a number for, er, riding
round some roads in Buckinghamshire. And Oxfordshire.

[Andy Wegg]

Wizard muttered

Post by Wizard
I was trying to explain UKRM to a friend recently. She thinks of
it as 'a biker gang on the Internet' and has trouble getting her
head round it.
Her: So, are they anything like the Hells Angels?
Me: Well, only in a limited way

SNIP

Equally scary then, but on a different level. UKRM - less of a patch
club, more an anorak convention..

[Cab]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:30:54 +0000 (UTC), Wizard
<***@no.processed.meat.please.ukrm.net> bored us all completely to
death with wittery prose along the lines of:

<prolly snipped>

Post by Wizard

Post by Andrewr At Work
On a related note, since I went to the Rock 'n' Blues I've been
wondering how you go about becoming an Outlaw, an Angel or some-such.

<SNIP>

Post by Andrewr At Work
Amazingly the Outlaws web-site answers none of these questions, but I'm
sure that ukrm will know.

I was trying to explain UKRM to a friend recently. She thinks of
it as 'a biker gang on the Internet' and has trouble getting her
head round it.

I've not thought of ukrm as a gang, but as a virtual pub. That's the
way I explain it to most people. It's in the FAQ's and is the best
explanation I've heard.

[Wizard]

Post by Cab
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:30:54 +0000 (UTC), Wizard

Post by Wizard
I was trying to explain UKRM to a friend recently. She thinks of
it as 'a biker gang on the Internet' and has trouble getting her
head round it.

I've not thought of ukrm as a gang, but as a virtual pub. That's the
way I explain it to most people. It's in the FAQ's and is the best
explanation I've heard.

Yes, that too is a good analogy.

<Thinks>

So I suppose top posting could be considered like a customer going
into a pub and standing *behind* the bar. Cue confusion all round
as to who should get served and who should do the serving.

[Jeremy]

Post by Wizard

Post by Cab
I've not thought of ukrm as a gang, but as a virtual pub. That's the
way I explain it to most people. It's in the FAQ's and is the best
explanation I've heard.

Yes, that too is a good analogy.
<Thinks>
So I suppose top posting could be considered like a customer going
into a pub and standing *behind* the bar. Cue confusion all round
as to who should get served and who should do the serving.

And not snipping as being when somebody keeps repeating what someones
already said - usually someone not very popular who's always trying to
get a laugh or make himself stand out.

<looks in mirror>

<exits>

[Champ]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:30:54 +0000 (UTC), Wizard

Post by Wizard
Her: Right... er... do you get badges for, say, shagging a black
menstruating woman in front of the group?

It's an idea!

[Andrewr At Work]

Post by Cab
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:30:54 +0000 (UTC), Wizard

Post by Wizard
Her: Right... er... do you get badges for, say, shagging a black
menstruating woman in front of the group?

It's an idea!

Are you DFVing to be KotL for the ISABMWiFotG list then?

My, that should keep you busy.
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[Wizard]

In article <60e0f44762307c9b2ab3bd3fedb7ea08.89895
@mygate.mailgate.org>, Andrewr At Work

Post by Andrewr At Work

Post by Cab
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:30:54 +0000 (UTC), Wizard

Post by Wizard
Her: Right... er... do you get badges for, say, shagging a black
menstruating woman in front of the group?

It's an idea!

Are you DFVing to be KotL for the ISABMWiFotG list then?
My, that should keep you busy.

I think he's actually volunteering to provide the entertainment at
the EOSM.

[WSotW]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:47:46 +0000 (UTC), "Andrewr At Work"

Post by Andrewr At Work
<SNIP, some stuff>
On a related note, since I went to the Rock 'n' Blues I've been
wondering how you go about becoming an Outlaw, an Angel or some-such.
Not that I'm thinking of doing it, any more than I'm thinking of
becoming Pope - it's just one of those things that has cpatured my
interest.

hmm....AndrewR for Pope.....has a nice ring to it. So what would be
your first proclomation then? :)

[snip]

Post by Andrewr At Work
3. Is it actually possible to join if you are a sprots bike rider with
1 piece leathers, short hear and clean shaven visage?

^^^^

my first thought at this point was 'well thats Spock fucked then', my
second thought was 'PARDON!...you have to be deaf to join?'

[Andrewr At Work]

Post by Sean Doherty
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:47:46 +0000 (UTC), "Andrewr At Work"

<SNIP>

Post by Sean Doherty

Post by Andrewr At Work
Not that I'm thinking of doing it, any more than I'm thinking of
becoming Pope - it's just one of those things that has cpatured my
interest.

hmm....AndrewR for Pope.....has a nice ring to it. So what would be
your first proclomation then? :)

Good question. I think I'd choose the name Pius XIII, but only because
that will really confuse things for some people.

Other than that ... well, I don't know. Anybody fancy being officially
excommunicated? Anybody want to be elevated to a See?
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[Wizard]

In article <b9aa5542cc125a04a42e8a51c600933e.89895
@mygate.mailgate.org>, Andrewr At Work

Post by Wizard

Could you sort out St Catherine of Alexandria?

<SNIP>
Well, as I'm sure you appreciate I am a still a long way off the throne
of St Peter, but my preliminary thoughts are that given the whole
Catholic Church worships God, who doesn't exist, it's hypocritical to go
round taking away people's sainthoods just because they didn't exist
either.
So I shall be certain to reinstate Catherine of Alexandria.
Also, I'll stick your name up before the beatification committee for
being good enough to bring this matter to my attention.
Bless you, my son.

Ok, you get my vote.

<Makes Sign of the Holy Pushrods>

<Kisses ring>

[Andrewr At Work]

Post by Wizard
In article <b9aa5542cc125a04a42e8a51c600933e.89895
@mygate.mailgate.org>, Andrewr At Work

<SNIP>

Post by Wizard

Post by Wizard
Well, as I'm sure you appreciate I am a still a long way off the throne
of St Peter

<SNIP>

Post by Wizard
Ok, you get my vote.

ITYF that unless you've kept very quite about being a Cardinal _and_ a
member of the Conclave your vote isn't worth a great deal.

But thanks for the thought, anyway.
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[Wizard]

In article <2ab814c8924e0312ba79448862c92c69.89895
@mygate.mailgate.org>, Andrewr At Work

Post by Wizard

Post by Wizard
In article <b9aa5542cc125a04a42e8a51c600933e.89895
@mygate.mailgate.org>, Andrewr At Work

<SNIP>

Post by Wizard

Post by Wizard
Well, as I'm sure you appreciate I am a still a long way off the throne
of St Peter

<SNIP>

Post by Wizard
Ok, you get my vote.

ITYF that unless you've kept very quite about being a Cardinal _and_ a
member of the Conclave your vote isn't worth a great deal.
But thanks for the thought, anyway.

Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses,
not some farcical smoke-filled ceremony.

[Muck]

Post by Wizard

Post by Wizard
In article <b9aa5542cc125a04a42e8a51c600933e.89895
@mygate.mailgate.org>, Andrewr At Work

<SNIP>

Post by Wizard

Post by Wizard
Well, as I'm sure you appreciate I am a still a long way off the
throne of St Peter

<SNIP>

Post by Wizard
Ok, you get my vote.

ITYF that unless you've kept very quite about being a Cardinal _and_ a
member of the Conclave your vote isn't worth a great deal.
But thanks for the thought, anyway.

Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not some
farcical smoke-filled ceremony.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sounds very 2 stroke like to me. Hmmmm.. <fx: MSOTHP>

[Salad Dodger]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:13:40 +0000 (UTC), Wizard

Hey, great! We could have schisms, and heresy, and persecutions,
and all sorts of stuff. We could haul Lozzo up in front of the
Inquisition and threaten to burn him unless he recants. And once a
year, we could have a special week of biker unity.

The child abuse woudln't be compulsory, would it?
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[Lozzo]

Wizard fascinated us all by saying...

Muck says...

Post by Muck
Sounds very 2 stroke like to me. Hmmmm.. <fx: MSOTHP>

Hey, great! We could have schisms, and heresy, and persecutions,
and all sorts of stuff. We could haul Lozzo up in front of the
Inquisition and threaten to burn him unless he recants.

It'll never happen I tell you

[mups]

Post by Lozzo
Wizard fascinated us all by saying...

Muck says...

Post by Muck
Sounds very 2 stroke like to me. Hmmmm.. <fx: MSOTHP>

Hey, great! We could have schisms, and heresy, and persecutions,
and all sorts of stuff. We could haul Lozzo up in front of the
Inquisition and threaten to burn him unless he recants.

It'll never happen I tell you

You're not expecting it then?

[Owen]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:13:40 +0000 (UTC), Wizard

Post by Muck

Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not some
farcical smoke-filled ceremony.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sounds very 2 stroke like to me. Hmmmm.. <fx: MSOTHP>

Hey, great! We could have schisms, and heresy, and persecutions,
and all sorts of stuff. We could haul Lozzo up in front of the
Inquisition and threaten to burn him unless he recants. And once a
year, we could have a special week of biker unity.

If Lozzo recants, does this mean we can't burn him?

[Platypus]

Post by Wizard
Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses,
not some farcical smoke-filled ceremony.

So the colour of the smoke is determined by how many hanging chads the
cardinals toss onto the fire?

[Wizard]

Post by Platypus

Post by Wizard
Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses,
not some farcical smoke-filled ceremony.

So the colour of the smoke is determined by how many hanging chads the
cardinals toss onto the fire?

Oooooh, don't get me started on that.

"In the event of a near-tie, the election will be awarded to the
candidate with the greater number of dollars."

[Andrewr At Work]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:47:04 +0000 (UTC), Wizard

Post by Wizard
Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses,
not some farcical smoke-filled ceremony.

Smoke-filled? Where's that come from then?

I assume the burning of different materials with the ballot papers to
produce either black or white smoke depending on whether the ballot has
led to the appointment of a new Pope.

It's the first signal that the outside world gets that the Conclave has
elected a Pontiff, as the Cardinals are forbidden, on pain of
excommunication, to pass messages to anybody outside of the conclave
during the election.
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:01:29 +0000 (UTC), "Andrewr At Work"

Post by Andrewr At Work

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:47:04 +0000 (UTC), Wizard

Post by Wizard
Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses,
not some farcical smoke-filled ceremony.

Smoke-filled? Where's that come from then?

I assume the burning of different materials with the ballot papers to
produce either black or white smoke depending on whether the ballot has
led to the appointment of a new Pope.

Oh, right.

Post by Andrewr At Work
It's the first signal that the outside world gets that the Conclave has
elected a Pontiff, as the Cardinals are forbidden, on pain of
excommunication, to pass messages to anybody outside of the conclave
during the election.

They're fucking wierd, eh?

[Champ]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:47:04 +0000 (UTC), Wizard

Post by Wizard

Post by Andrewr At Work

Post by Wizard
Ok, you get my vote.

ITYF that unless you've kept very quite about being a Cardinal _and_ a
member of the Conclave your vote isn't worth a great deal.
But thanks for the thought, anyway.

Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses,
not some farcical smoke-filled ceremony.

*lovely*

[Cane]

Post by Champ

Post by Wizard

Post by Andrewr At Work

Post by Wizard
Ok, you get my vote.

ITYF that unless you've kept very quite about being a Cardinal _and_ a
member of the Conclave your vote isn't worth a great deal.
But thanks for the thought, anyway.

Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses,
not some farcical smoke-filled ceremony.

*lovely*

No it's not Neal. It's a load of commie wank. Get a grip mate.

[porl]

Post by Cane

Post by Champ

Post by Wizard

Post by Andrewr At Work

Post by Wizard
Ok, you get my vote.

ITYF that unless you've kept very quite about being a Cardinal _and_ a
member of the Conclave your vote isn't worth a great deal.
But thanks for the thought, anyway.

Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses,
not some farcical smoke-filled ceremony.

*lovely*

No it's not Neal. It's a load of commie wank. Get a grip mate.

It's your basic 306 b Cane, you watery tart.

[Champ]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:36:34 +0100, "porl"

Post by porl

Post by Cane

Post by Champ

Post by Wizard

Post by Andrewr At Work

Post by Wizard
Ok, you get my vote.

ITYF that unless you've kept very quite about being a Cardinal _and_

a

Post by Cane

Post by Champ

Post by Wizard

Post by Andrewr At Work
member of the Conclave your vote isn't worth a great deal.
But thanks for the thought, anyway.

Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses,
not some farcical smoke-filled ceremony.

*lovely*

No it's not Neal. It's a load of commie wank. Get a grip mate.

It's your basic 306 b Cane, you watery tart.

Quite. But with a nice twist and backflip at the end.

PS. I'm jolly disappointed that you didn't rise to my "that's you
that is" comment last night.

[Badger]

I couldn't think of anything funny to say. [1]
[1] Don't. If anyone does it's an automatic year killfile.

If only getting in killfiles were that easy in every case.

[Dan L]

Post by Wizard

Post by Wizard
<SNIP>

<Kisses ring>

Ewww

The above post was brought to you courtesy of "Feedlines R Us"

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:36:29 +0000 (UTC), Wizard

Post by Wizard
<Kisses ring>

Oh, fuck. Bleurgh.

[Owen]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:42:28 +0000 (UTC), "Andrewr At Work"

Post by Wizard

Post by Sean Doherty
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:47:46 +0000 (UTC), "Andrewr At Work"

<SNIP>

Post by Sean Doherty

Post by Andrewr At Work
Not that I'm thinking of doing it, any more than I'm thinking of
becoming Pope - it's just one of those things that has cpatured my
interest.

hmm....AndrewR for Pope.....has a nice ring to it. So what would be
your first proclomation then? :)

Good question. I think I'd choose the name Pius XIII, but only because
that will really confuse things for some people.
Other than that ... well, I don't know. Anybody fancy being officially
excommunicated? Anybody want to be elevated to a See?

Do we get a sew-on patch for that? I could be up for that... *stands
in front of mirror*... Oooh, I can just see myself in purple.....

Post by Wizard
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:07:49 +0000 (UTC), Wizard

In article <fdc4282edbd075c9d106345e3c2b4335.89895
@mygate.mailgate.org>, Andrewr At Work

Post by Andrewr At Work

Post by WSotW
hmm....AndrewR for Pope.....has a nice ring to it. So what would be
your first proclomation then? :)

Good question. I think I'd choose the name Pius XIII, but only because
that will really confuse things for some people.
Other than that ... well, I don't know. Anybody fancy being officially
excommunicated? Anybody want to be elevated to a See?

Could you sort out St Catherine of Alexandria?
My old College- St Catherine's, Oxford- is named after her. She
was a martyr, who some baddies tried to break on the wheel, but
then the wheel broke, thus qualifying her for sainthood.
So the college uses a wheel as its crest, and when it was built in
the early 60s the architect used a wheel motif throughout-
circular lawn in the quad, circular light fittings throughout,
wheel symbols on the cutlery, tapestries showing a wheel breaking.
Then a few years later St Catherine of Alexandria was decanonised,
on the grounds that she never existed. So now the College is named
after St Catherine of Siena, a medieval mystic who had nothing to
do with wheels at all.
The students wrote to the Pope and complained, but he didn't
answer.
What you gonna do about that, then?

Excomunicate the b*st*rd!

[Platypus]

Post by Andrewr At Work
1. How do you even get to the stage of being a probationary member? It
seems to me that wandering up to a gang of 1%ers and saying, "Please
mister, I want to be in your gang." would get you a sound kicking. I
also get the impression there's not much to do in the way of filling in
application forms and wearing your best suit for interviews.

It's sort of like the Masons IIRC.

Post by Andrewr At Work
2. All of the probationary Outlaws looked very similar to existing
memebers - do you have to have the right look before you start or do
they give you a little sheet full of grooming and styling tips to help
you achieve that look?

It's a cultural thing - you can pick up a lot of the look from the likes
of BSH.

Post by Andrewr At Work
3. Is it actually possible to join if you are a sprots bike rider with
1 piece leathers, short hear and clean shaven visage?

You'd need a *lot* of charisma to carry it off...

Post by Andrewr At Work
4. Do the people who join actually have real jobs? None of them looked
like they might just stick their leathers and stained jeans in the
wardrobe on Sunday night and head into the office on Monday morning -
not even as tech support staff.

Fuck no. They're all on Arts Council grants.

[Andrewr At Work]

Post by Platypus

Post by Andrewr At Work
1. How do you even get to the stage of being a probationary member?

It's sort of like the Masons IIRC.

They secretly run the world and lots of high ranking coppers are
members?

Post by Platypus

Post by Andrewr At Work
2. All of the probationary Outlaws looked very similar to existing
memebers

It's a cultural thing - you can pick up a lot of the look from the likes
of BSH.

Now "cultural" just isn't a word I'd have thought would crop up in this
discussion.

Post by Platypus

Post by Andrewr At Work
3. Is it actually possible to join if you are a sprots bike rider

You'd need a *lot* of charisma to carry it off...

And a high pain threshold?

Post by Platypus

Post by Andrewr At Work
4. Do the people who join actually have real jobs?

Fuck no. They're all on Arts Council grants.

Ah, the socially acceptable face of fiddling unemployment benefit.
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Post by Platypus

Post by Andrewr At Work
3. Is it actually possible to join if you are a sprots bike rider with
1 piece leathers, short hear and clean shaven visage?

You'd need a *lot* of charisma to carry it off...

"We'd have to be talkin' about one charming motherfucking pig!"

[Andrewr At Work]

Post by Sean Doherty
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:47:46 +0000 (UTC), "Andrewr At Work"

Post by Andrewr At Work
On a related note, since I went to the Rock 'n' Blues I've been
wondering how you go about becoming an Outlaw, an Angel or some-such.

<SNIP>

Post by Sean Doherty

Post by Andrewr At Work
1. How do you even get to the stage of being a probationary member? It
seems to me that wandering up to a gang of 1%ers and saying, "Please
mister, I want to be in your gang." would get you a sound kicking. I
also get the impression there's not much to do in the way of filling in
application forms and wearing your best suit for interviews.

You are invited. Well, _you_ wouldn't be, but you know what I mean.

Ah, right. Can anybody in the club invite you? Apart from the look
what other qualities to they want? Criminal convictions, getting into
fights, riding a Harley - that sort of thing?

<SNIP>

Post by Sean Doherty
How much do you want to know? There are several people of this parish
who are much better qualified than I to answer you, in as much detail
as you want.

How much is there to know?
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[B.G. Finlay IT Services]

Andrewr At Work (***@rockface.freeserve.co.uk) wrote:
: On a related note, since I went to the Rock 'n' Blues I've been
: wondering how you go about becoming an Outlaw, an Angel or some-such.

Friend of a friend (who I sold a bike to) got involved with a bike gang
and got put away for the shooting and attempted murder of a local hard
man. Not the sort of people you want to get involved with.

Blair.
'97 CBR600

[Simian]

Post by B.G. Finlay IT Services
: On a related note, since I went to the Rock 'n' Blues I've been
: wondering how you go about becoming an Outlaw, an Angel or some-such.
Friend of a friend (who I sold a bike to) got involved with a bike gang
and got put away for the shooting and attempted murder of a local hard
man. Not the sort of people you want to get involved with.

The Satan's Slaves in Exeter always seemed like a nice bunch to me -
we played them at volley ball once and they bought us all a drink
after we beat them.

OK, the president bloke who had a bat tat on his forehead was put
away for miscellaneous gun offenses, and the prospects were a bit
of a pain, but as long as you didn't throw up near their bikes or
go anywhere near their women, they were remarkably tolerant of
drunk students.

[Champ]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:20:14 -0000, Simian

Post by Simian
The Satan's Slaves in Exeter always seemed like a nice bunch to me -
we played them at volley ball once and they bought us all a drink
after we beat them.

This is quite the most surreal thing I've heard in ages.

[Owen]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:47:46 +0000 (UTC), "Andrewr At Work"

Post by Andrewr At Work
<SNIP, some stuff>
On a related note, since I went to the Rock 'n' Blues I've been
wondering how you go about becoming an Outlaw, an Angel or some-such.
Not that I'm thinking of doing it, any more than I'm thinking of
becoming Pope - it's just one of those things that has cpatured my
interest.
There were a number of probationary Outlaws wandering round the RnB, so
I know there is a certain amount of being shouted at and stuff to go
through, but I was more interested in the following;
1. How do you even get to the stage of being a probationary member? It
seems to me that wandering up to a gang of 1%ers and saying, "Please
mister, I want to be in your gang." would get you a sound kicking. I
also get the impression there's not much to do in the way of filling in
application forms and wearing your best suit for interviews.

Hang around in the rellevant pubs/clubs. Show an interest in what
they're doing and gradually get accepted/befriended untill they ask
you if you're interested in joining their club...

Post by Andrewr At Work
2. All of the probationary Outlaws looked very similar to existing
memebers - do you have to have the right look before you start or do
they give you a little sheet full of grooming and styling tips to help
you achieve that look?

All clubs like people that fit in. Maybe having the smae style of
clothing/haircut helps. Some clubs seem to welcome a diversity and
some don't. Having a similar attitude seems to be the main thing...

Post by Andrewr At Work
3. Is it actually possible to join if you are a sprots bike rider with
1 piece leathers, short hear and clean shaven visage?

If your attitude is right...

Post by Andrewr At Work
4. Do the people who join actually have real jobs? None of them looked
like they might just stick their leathers and stained jeans in the
wardrobe on Sunday night and head into the office on Monday morning -
not even as tech support staff.

I have some mates in a particular club. Their members include the head
customs officer at a major airport, a traffic cop, a ballet shoes/wear
salesman, a rare plants grower (orchids and such) and a well known
author... as well as various shady people and unemployables...

Post by Andrewr At Work
Amazingly the Outlaws web-site answers none of these questions, but I'm
sure that ukrm will know.

HTH.....

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Post by Cane
All this bollocks about "bikers" got me thinking.

Don't you have enough to occupy your mind - or are you trying to
distract yourself from the scratching?

Post by Cane
It's only a mode of transport for fucks sake.... or am I missing something?

How many car drivers do you know that would respond to a call from
your good self to "come for a bimble round the lanes of Essex" then?
How many car drivers would drive for 60+ miles for a 25 mile drive on
a Sunday morning, eh?

Post by Cane
Is having a motorcycle a lifestyle and attitude change that is not only
visible from the outside but significantly changes the person within?

I reckon you'll find msot people who regularly use a motorcycle to be
more self-reliant than the average, probably more likely to put up
with significant personal discomfort, too - simply because that's what
using a bike entails.

Post by Cane
"Look out everyone, it's a biker"

There's an old dear (80 if she's a day) who bimbles around here,
dressed in a *huge* Belstaff which flaps in the breeze, prehistoric
pisspot helmet and WWI fighter pilot goggles which leave only the
expanse of facial wrinkles visible - on her scooter - who I wouldn't
like to meet in a dark alley, I tell you ;-)

[B.G. Finlay IT Services]

Cane (***@ukrm.org) wrote:
: All this bollocks about "bikers" got me thinking.
: It's only a mode of transport for fucks sake.... or am I missing something?
: Is having a motorcycle a lifestyle and attitude change that is not only
: visible from the outside but significantly changes the person within?

I love bikes, I've been around them all my life. My Dad's into bikes too
so when I was wee I was taken to trials when he was competing, helped
marshall at our club moto-x, a couple of summer holidays at the TT etc. I
rode in trials from age 13 and on road bikes from 17 but I wouldn't call
myself a biker - just someone who's into bikes.

Blair.
'97 CBR600

[Donegal Paul]

"porl" replied to a load of snipped stuff re bikers and the meaning of such
SNIPPED

This is all bollocks. The only people who actually care about the meaning

of

the word 'biker' are people who ride bikes. I don't see where in my Honda
owners manual it says I must start the engine, disengage the clutch,

select

first gear and ask myself "but what does it all _mean_?"

*heh*

[Andrewr At Work]

"porl" <***@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:bhvj84$3ko21$***@ID-84137.news.uni-berlin.de

<SNIP, bikers?>

This is all bollocks. The only people who actually care about the meaning of
the word 'biker' are people who ride bikes. I don't see where in my Honda
owners manual it says I must start the engine, disengage the clutch, select
first gear and ask myself "but what does it all _mean_?"

"Hello? Is that the Honda customer services line? Yes, I'd like to
officially reject this bike under the sale of goods act. What? No, I
haven't had any mechanical problems, it's just that I can't get it to
inspire the correct ideology. Yes, I've checked there's petrol in. No,
the battery is fine. A personal voyage of self-discovery? No I haven't
tried that - should I wait until it's fully run in?"
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In article <8cb0da23e2d6e9ea2a913b4202da2634.89895
@mygate.mailgate.org>, Andrewr At Work

Post by Andrewr At Work
<SNIP, bikers?>

This is all bollocks. The only people who actually care about the meaning of
the word 'biker' are people who ride bikes. I don't see where in my Honda
owners manual it says I must start the engine, disengage the clutch, select
first gear and ask myself "but what does it all _mean_?"

"Hello? Is that the Honda customer services line? Yes, I'd like to
officially reject this bike under the sale of goods act. What? No, I
haven't had any mechanical problems, it's just that I can't get it to
inspire the correct ideology. Yes, I've checked there's petrol in. No,
the battery is fine. A personal voyage of self-discovery? No I haven't
tried that - should I wait until it's fully run in?"

You are Robert M Pirsig AICM5 chapters of heavy-going ramblings.

[Sean Doherty]

*quality*

Groan.

It was a test to see who hads actually read it.[1]

[1]Often the way with trophy books.

[The Older Gentleman]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:17:32 +0000 (UTC), Wizard

Post by Wizard
You are Robert M Pirsig AICM5 chapters of heavy-going ramblings.

*quality*

Groan.

Heh. Just got it.

[Sean Doherty]

Post by The Older Gentleman

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:17:32 +0000 (UTC), Wizard

Post by Wizard
You are Robert M Pirsig AICM5 chapters of heavy-going ramblings.

*quality*

Groan.

Heh. Just got it.

Well donew that man. Now, about thse death threats, any chance of
some training?

[Champ]

Post by The Older Gentleman

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:17:32 +0000 (UTC), Wizard

Post by Wizard
You are Robert M Pirsig AICM5 chapters of heavy-going ramblings.

*quality*

Groan.

Heh. Just got it.

heh. Me too.

[Muck]

Post by Cane
All this bollocks about "bikers" got me thinking.

SNIP
A friend of mine used to fulminate over this regularly, whereas I 've
never lost any sleep over it, it's just a word. I love my bikes and the
freedom of biking but I don't see myself as a "Biker", any more than I
do a "Car-er" but there are those that do - the wannabe outlaws usually.
And it's a handy label for the media to pin on a minority, in the lazy
way that they do.

I don't give it much of a thought but every so often it crops up in
conversation like it did when I was on the ferry from Dublin.
"so, you're a biker?" ... "err no, I'm a bloke with a bike"

That's the boring answer.

Your answer should have been. Yes, I'm a biker, but I only bite the heads
of chickens on Wednesdays... <fx: gets that mad look in your eyes> You..
dd..dd.don't have any cc.h.hickens do you?

[athomik]

Post by Cane
All this bollocks about "bikers" got me thinking.
It's only a mode of transport for fucks sake.... or am I missing something?
Is having a motorcycle a lifestyle and attitude change that is not only
visible from the outside but significantly changes the person within?
"Look out everyone, it's a biker"

No idea, but when I get my old Beetle back together (and my licence back
:( ) I'll be a Born Again Cager long before Mrs T will let me become a
biker again.


--
athomik

[Cab]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:35:59 +0100, Jeremy
<***@hazelweb.co.uk> bored us all completely to death with
wittery prose along the lines of:

<prolly snipped>

Post by Cane
All this bollocks about "bikers" got me thinking.
It's only a mode of transport for fucks sake.... or am I missing something?
Is having a motorcycle a lifestyle and attitude change that is not only
visible from the outside but significantly changes the person within?
"Look out everyone, it's a biker"

Hmmm... we have the '"biker's nod" to each other - why? Because we are a
brotherhood? Do we *choose* to differentiate ourselves from other road
users?

Like in France. Bikers are differentiated. There's a lot more of the
unsung-friendship.

We're still a minority QED we're different. It's less so in the UK,
IMO, but groups like MAG and the BMF and other MCC's make us what we
are.

We are bikers, not "the bloke with the bike". I don't go out of my way
to think like this, but everyone (non-bikers) else seem to.

[athomik]

Post by Cane
All this bollocks about "bikers" got me thinking.
It's only a mode of transport for fucks sake.... or am I missing something?
Is having a motorcycle a lifestyle and attitude change that is not only
visible from the outside but significantly changes the person within?
"Look out everyone, it's a biker"

Your avaerage "biker" can be hard to spot, but a "hairy arsed biker" tends
to like grubby jeans, dislike anything with a fairing, loves his beer and
listens to loud music.

--
athomik

[dwb]

It even gets to the point where, when I can't ride (as has been the case
a lot recently) I feel a big chunk of my life is missing and get quite
down about it.

So you're saying we're insecure layabouts?

[Cane]

Post by dwb

It even gets to the point where, when I can't ride (as has been the case
a lot recently) I feel a big chunk of my life is missing and get quite
down about it.

So you're saying we're insecure layabouts?

That sounded a bit defensive.

[dwb]

Post by Cane

Post by dwb

It even gets to the point where, when I can't ride (as has been the case
a lot recently) I feel a big chunk of my life is missing and get quite
down about it.

So you're saying we're insecure layabouts?

That sounded a bit defensive.

Okay, you're a diseased insecure layabout.

[Cane]

Post by dwb

Post by Cane

Post by dwb

It even gets to the point where, when I can't ride (as has been the

case

Post by Cane

Post by dwb

a lot recently) I feel a big chunk of my life is missing and get quite
down about it.

So you're saying we're insecure layabouts?

That sounded a bit defensive.

Okay, you're a diseased insecure layabout.

<note to self> Never post about personal ailments.

[Ginge]

Post by Cane
<note to self> Never post about personal ailments.

Don't worry about it. After all, if things get worse your fingers may
become too fat to use a keyboard. :o)

[William Grainger]

Post by Ginge

Post by Cane
<note to self> Never post about personal ailments.

Don't worry about it. After all, if things get worse your fingers may
become too fat to use a keyboard. :o)

Everyone's a winner!

[Cab]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:52:53 +0200, Ace <***@virgin.net> bored us
all completely to death with wittery prose along the lines of:

<prolly snipped>

Nope, I still haven't captured it - there's still something much more
fundamental that I can't put my finger on...

'swot I thought.

[Wizard]

Post by Cane
All this bollocks about "bikers" got me thinking.

I've been trying all morning to put my finger on what it is that makes
me a biker, rather than just a motorcyclist. Not sure I've succeeded,

<SNIP>

Nope, I still haven't captured it - there's still something much more
fundamental that I can't put my finger on...

Well, here's a thought from some time ago, when a newbie [1] was
flouncing about bad language in UKRM, and I DFV'd to try and calm
him down.

I made the point that UKRM was full of bikers, as opposed to
motorcyclists, and that accounts for the language.

So, maybe the difference is: motorcyclists object to the word
"cunt" and bikers don't?


[1] Eventually I concluded he was a troll and *plonk*ed him.

[Alan.T.Gower]

Post by Cane
"Look out everyone, it's a biker"

I consider myself a biker.

[porl]

Post by Alan.T.Gower

Post by Cane
"Look out everyone, it's a biker"

I consider myself a biker.

Do you mean you ride a bike or there's something extra? Some mystical
additional gene that makes you want to douse yourself in patchouli oil and
talk about BSAs and Nortons? Do you consider your bike a fun toy and mode of
transport or something you would burn your family to protect? Do you think
you love your bike?

Would you secretly like to be a patch club member?

[Andrewr At Work]

<SNIP>

Post by porl

Post by Alan.T.Gower
I consider myself a biker.

<SNIP>

Post by porl
Would you secretly like to be a patch club member?

Hell's Gnomes?
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The speccy Geordie twat.

[PeterT]

"Andrewr At Work"

Post by Andrewr At Work

"Alan.T.Gower"
Would you secretly like to be a patch club member?

Hell's Gnomes?

Is Vince the Godfather of this Club?

[Owen]

Post by Sean Doherty
"Andrewr At Work"

Post by Andrewr At Work

"Alan.T.Gower"
Would you secretly like to be a patch club member?

Hell's Gnomes?

Is Vince the Godfather of this Club?

Do dwarfes wear blue helmets?...

[Alan.T.Gower]

Post by porl
Do you mean you ride a bike or there's something extra?

Anyone can ride a bike but being one with the bike is different. [1]

Post by porl
Do you consider your bike a fun toy and mode of transport

Don't be silly.

Post by porl
or something you would burn your family to protect?

Naturally.

Post by porl
Do you think you love your bike?

"Think" doesn't come into it.

Post by porl
Would you secretly like to be a patch club member?

Is that a cabbage patch club?


[1] You probably wouldn't understand. ;o)

[porl]

Post by Alan.T.Gower
Anyone can ride a bike but being one with the bike is different. [1]
[1] You probably wouldn't understand. ;o)

Sure I do. When you're on the bike you feel the two wheeled equivalent of
the Rolls Royce's Spirit of Ecstacy, kinda like a mascot.

PFCT;

[Alan.T.Gower]

Post by porl

Post by Alan.T.Gower
Anyone can ride a bike but being one with the bike is different. [1]
[1] You probably wouldn't understand. ;o)

Sure I do. When you're on the bike you feel the two wheeled equivalent of
the Rolls Royce's Spirit of Ecstacy, kinda like a mascot.

Close.

[athomik]

Post by Alan.T.Gower

Post by Cane
"Look out everyone, it's a biker"

I consider myself a biker.

I consider my self a biker "between bikes".

--
athomik

[mups]

Post by Alan.T.Gower

Post by Cane
"Look out everyone, it's a biker"

I consider myself a biker.

Sometimes I do sometimes I don't. Tonight after spending a couple of hours
fettling the bike and then going out for a 100 odd mile hoon for no real
reason I feel I'm a biker. Other times the bike might sit in the garage for
a couple of weeks because other things seem more important and I don't feel
I am. All down to the individual IMHO.

[WorkTOG]

Post by Cane
All this bollocks about "bikers" got me thinking.
It's only a mode of transport for fucks sake.... or am I missing something?
Is having a motorcycle a lifestyle and attitude change that is not only
visible from the outside but significantly changes the person within?
"Look out everyone, it's a biker"

A lifestyle change, yes, possibly. A visible one, I dunno.

If you just keep a bike in the garage, use it for fine weather
commuting, the occasional long trip, a bit of summer recreation, then
"biker" doesn't seem to be the right word.

If you wear cut-offs in bed, think that Harleys, old Trumf and Norton
twins are God's gift to the panet, and your only form of four-wheeled
transport is a pick-up or a van, then maybe.

If your garage contains nothing but motorcycles, motorcycle spares,
clothing, junk, tools, posters, magazines and other paraphernalia; if
almost all of your spare time is spent riding, fiddling with, or just
cleaning bikes; if you'd rather ride a bike than drive a car on any
occasion with the possible exception of pissing rain or Arctic
weather; if you talk nostalgically about your favourite bikes even
when listeners' heads are nodding; if you remember the registration
numbers of more than four bikes you've owned; if you wear your helmet
more frequently than your favourite item of clothing.... then you're
probably as sad as I am.

[The Older Gentleman]

Does your missus despair?

<Smug>

Nope. The 400 Four in the sig is hers.

[Lozzo]

Post by WorkTOG
if you remember the registration
numbers of more than four bikes you've owned;

MGJ 923P, XJE 11L, WCW 667T, GOA 519N, TTC 810T...

I've had well over 100 bikes and something like 50 cars, and I can
remember the registrations of pretty much every single one of them.

I couldn't tell you what I had for dinner last night though.

[athomik]

Post by Lozzo

Post by WorkTOG
if you remember the registration
numbers of more than four bikes you've owned;

MGJ 923P, XJE 11L, WCW 667T, GOA 519N, TTC 810T...

I've had well over 100 bikes and something like 50 cars, and I can
remember the registrations of pretty much every single one of them.
I couldn't tell you what I had for dinner last night though.

Caribbean Chicken Curry. Usually can't remember all of the registration of
whatever I am driving at the time though.

--
athomik

GSXR750 (in several bits)
'71 VW Beetle (in several bits)

[SteveH]

Post by WorkTOG
if you remember the registration
numbers of more than four bikes you've owned;

Hmmmm.

K439 EWO, EWC 400Y, VTF 305Y, N498 NTH, N498 EPO

The only ones I can't remember are my 2nd Divvy 6 and the CBX750.

[Timo Geusch]

Post by WorkTOG
A lifestyle change, yes, possibly. A visible one, I dunno.

It's the oily residue under your fingernails that won't go away any
more that makes it 'visible'.

Post by WorkTOG
If you [...] think that Harleys, old Trumf and Norton
twins are God's gift to the panet,

... then your name is tallbloke?

Post by WorkTOG
If your garage contains nothing but motorcycles, motorcycle spares,
clothing, junk, tools, posters, magazines and other paraphernalia; if
almost all of your spare time is spent riding, fiddling with, or just
cleaning bikes; [...] then you're probably as sad as I am.

Oopsie.

[Rope]

Nope, I still haven't captured it - there's still something much more
fundamental that I can't put my finger on...

Well there are different flavours of bikers - power rangers, commuters,
BOFs on ShiteOldeBikes, Newbies, BABs, posers, Angels......

Discounting scooter-commuters and Rodney from the wine bar who has
bought in to the lifestyle, most of us have in common a sense of
individuality, rebellion, and a thirst for risk-taking.

Yes, many tend to look out for fellow bikers, because of a sense of
kinship, but biking is, essentially, a solitary pursuit - even riding
in a group, you are still essentially isolated in your own little
world.

This is all, of course, utter bullshit.

[Owen]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:56:55 +0000 (UTC), "Andrewr At Work"

Post by Wizard

Post by Cane
All this bollocks about "bikers" got me thinking.

<SNIP>

Nope, I still haven't captured it - there's still something much more
fundamental that I can't put my finger on...

I would consider myself a biker and I feel that bikes are a fundamental
part of who I am. Not just owning a bike, but the love of riding. You
couldn't take away my interest in bikes without changing me in a major
way.
It even gets to the point where, when I can't ride (as has been the case
a lot recently) I feel a big chunk of my life is missing and get quite
down about it.

Patch in the post...

Post by Wizard
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The speccy Geordie twat.

[d***@burnt.org.uk]

Hmmm... we have the '"biker's nod" to each other - why? Because we are a
brotherhood? Do we *choose* to differentiate ourselves from other road
users?

A brotherhood??? oh, please.

I'd suggest I've less in common with most people riding
bikes on the road than I have with most people driving cars
to work.

I'd also suggest that the same applies to many in here.

[Champ]

Post by Cane
All this bollocks about "bikers" got me thinking.

Please...please...please don't start me on this.
There are "bikers" and there are people who ride bikes. I'd
equate bikers with patch club members

I know you've said this often before, but you're the only person who
I've heard associate 'biker' with patch clubs. When I was growing up,
pretty much anyone with a bike bigger than a 250 (i.e. held a full
license) and a black leather jacket was a biker.

[d***@burnt.org.uk]

Post by Champ

Post by Cane
All this bollocks about "bikers" got me thinking.

Please...please...please don't start me on this.
There are "bikers" and there are people who ride bikes. I'd
equate bikers with patch club members

I know you've said this often before, but you're the only person who
I've heard associate 'biker' with patch clubs. When I was growing up,
pretty much anyone with a bike bigger than a 250 (i.e. held a full
license) and a black leather jacket was a biker.

Maybe it's just me. We all *called* ourselves bikers but I
didn't really believe most of us were.

And anyway... you removed the "or" clause in my statement.

Anyhow, bikers used to drive transit vans...