Ask EU: Insomniac tablet

[Serena Blanchflower]

As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet. On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].

There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia. If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :( As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...

Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again? I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.


[1] aka a wireless trackball

[Mike]

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet. On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia. If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :( As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again? I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.
[1] aka a wireless trackball

Dunno for sure but, some hibernation menus allow you to choose what will
wake the ‘puter up, you may find that mice are one choice and tapping the
spacebar another; you may be able to de-select Mr. Mousey.

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Mike

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet. On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia. If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :( As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again? I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.
[1] aka a wireless trackball

Dunno for sure but, some hibernation menus allow you to choose what will
wake the ‘puter up, you may find that mice are one choice and tapping the
spacebar another; you may be able to de-select Mr. Mousey.

Thanks, that's a good suggestion; I'll check it out, when I go back
upstairs.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

[]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike

Post by Serena Blanchflower
insomnia. If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :( As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems

[]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike
Dunno for sure but, some hibernation menus allow you to choose what will
wake the ‘puter up, you may find that mice are one choice and tapping the
spacebar another; you may be able to de-select Mr. Mousey.

Thanks, that's a good suggestion; I'll check it out, when I go back
upstairs.

It might also (depending on how you receive email) be an email coming in
that wakes it - or other LAN activity. I'm sure I've seen "wake on LAN"
as a setting somewhere - I think in the BIOS rather than part of
Windows; I don't know how you access the BIOS on a tablet, but might be
worth looking there if you know how.

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

insomnia.  If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :(  As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems

[]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

 Dunno for sure but, some hibernation menus allow you to choose what
will
wake the ‘puter up, you may find that mice are one choice and tapping the
spacebar another; you may be able to de-select Mr. Mousey.

Thanks, that's a good suggestion; I'll check it out, when I go back
upstairs.

I thought, initially, that this might be the answer. I couldn't find
anywhere that would allow me to stop the rat waking it up but switching
the rat off, before shutting down the tablet did seem to make it go to
sleep more soundly at first.

However, it then woke up again, at midnight (when I'd been all but
asleep myself) and started squeaking repeatedly. When I opened it up,
it was not just awake but had started several apps, including Facebook,
Twitter and Messenger (I forget whether / what else) - none of which had
been running when I sent it to sleep. The only answer seemed to be to
shut it down completely, which I did, and it remained peaceful.

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
It might also (depending on how you receive email) be an email coming in
that wakes it - or other LAN activity. I'm sure I've seen "wake on LAN"
as a setting somewhere - I think in the BIOS rather than part of
Windows; I don't know how you access the BIOS on a tablet, but might be
worth looking there if you know how.

This time, at least, Thunderbird wasn't one of the apps that it opened
for me, although it has been in the past. When it's awake and running,
the arrival of messages / emails / tweets, or whatever doesn't provoke
it into opening the appropriate apps, so I don't see why it should do it
when it's sleeping!

I had found a setting which would allow it to disconnect from the
network when sleeping, but only when it was running on battery, not
when mains connected (as it was last night, to recharge).

[Mike]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

insomnia.  If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :(  As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems

[]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

 Dunno for sure but, some hibernation menus allow you to choose what
will
wake the ‘puter up, you may find that mice are one choice and tapping the
spacebar another; you may be able to de-select Mr. Mousey.

Thanks, that's a good suggestion; I'll check it out, when I go back
upstairs.

I thought, initially, that this might be the answer. I couldn't find
anywhere that would allow me to stop the rat waking it up but switching
the rat off, before shutting down the tablet did seem to make it go to
sleep more soundly at first.
However, it then woke up again, at midnight (when I'd been all but
asleep myself) and started squeaking repeatedly. When I opened it up,
it was not just awake but had started several apps, including Facebook,
Twitter and Messenger (I forget whether / what else) - none of which had
been running when I sent it to sleep. The only answer seemed to be to
shut it down completely, which I did, and it remained peaceful.

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
It might also (depending on how you receive email) be an email coming in
that wakes it - or other LAN activity. I'm sure I've seen "wake on LAN"
as a setting somewhere - I think in the BIOS rather than part of
Windows; I don't know how you access the BIOS on a tablet, but might be
worth looking there if you know how.

This time, at least, Thunderbird wasn't one of the apps that it opened
for me, although it has been in the past. When it's awake and running,
the arrival of messages / emails / tweets, or whatever doesn't provoke
it into opening the appropriate apps, so I don't see why it should do it
when it's sleeping!
I had found a setting which would allow it to disconnect from the
network when sleeping, but only when it was running on battery, not
when mains connected (as it was last night, to recharge).

The ‘at midnight’ may be significant; perhaps there is a function that
energises at that time and could be toggled off so as not to wake the
system. I feel that Micr$oft and other software writers seem to think we
must have everything running 24/7 and don’t want anything being delayed by
a single second - I blame the ‘now’ culture.

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Mike

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

insomnia.  If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :(  As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems

[]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

 Dunno for sure but, some hibernation menus allow you to choose what
will
wake the ‘puter up, you may find that mice are one choice and tapping the
spacebar another; you may be able to de-select Mr. Mousey.

Thanks, that's a good suggestion; I'll check it out, when I go back
upstairs.

I thought, initially, that this might be the answer. I couldn't find
anywhere that would allow me to stop the rat waking it up but switching
the rat off, before shutting down the tablet did seem to make it go to
sleep more soundly at first.
However, it then woke up again, at midnight (when I'd been all but
asleep myself) and started squeaking repeatedly. When I opened it up,
it was not just awake but had started several apps, including Facebook,
Twitter and Messenger (I forget whether / what else) - none of which had
been running when I sent it to sleep. The only answer seemed to be to
shut it down completely, which I did, and it remained peaceful.

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
It might also (depending on how you receive email) be an email coming in
that wakes it - or other LAN activity. I'm sure I've seen "wake on LAN"
as a setting somewhere - I think in the BIOS rather than part of
Windows; I don't know how you access the BIOS on a tablet, but might be
worth looking there if you know how.

This time, at least, Thunderbird wasn't one of the apps that it opened
for me, although it has been in the past. When it's awake and running,
the arrival of messages / emails / tweets, or whatever doesn't provoke
it into opening the appropriate apps, so I don't see why it should do it
when it's sleeping!
I had found a setting which would allow it to disconnect from the
network when sleeping, but only when it was running on battery, not
when mains connected (as it was last night, to recharge).

The ‘at midnight’ may be significant; perhaps there is a function that
energises at that time and could be toggled off so as not to wake the
system. I feel that Micr$oft and other software writers seem to think we
must have everything running 24/7 and don’t want anything being delayed by
a single second - I blame the ‘now’ culture.

That was rather my thought, as well, although it isn't always midnight,
or any other obviously significant time, when it wakes up.

[Fenny]

On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 11:11:21 +0000, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower
However, it then woke up again, at midnight (when I'd been all but
asleep myself) and started squeaking repeatedly. When I opened it up,
it was not just awake but had started several apps, including Facebook,
Twitter and Messenger (I forget whether / what else) - none of which had
been running when I sent it to sleep. The only answer seemed to be to
shut it down completely, which I did, and it remained peaceful.

I don't use FB & Messenger, as I have an idealogical difference of
opinion with their founder. But twitter doesn't wake my tablet up at
night.

[Sid Nuncius]

I just thought it was about time someone said that Insomniac Tablet's
second album really wasn't too bad.

[BrritSki]

Post by Sid Nuncius
I just thought it was about time someone said that Insomniac Tablet's
second album really wasn't too bad.

The third track lullaby is rather good actually...

[Mike]

Post by Sid Nuncius
I just thought it was about time someone said that Insomniac Tablet's
second album really wasn't too bad.

Sid, just keep taking them - with water of course.

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Sid Nuncius
I just thought it was about time someone said that Insomniac Tablet's
second album really wasn't too bad.

It was certainly quite some time before its merits were appreciated.
A bit of a sleeper.

[Fenny]

On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 20:22:54 +0000, Fenny

Post by Fenny
On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 11:11:21 +0000, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower
However, it then woke up again, at midnight (when I'd been all but
asleep myself) and started squeaking repeatedly. When I opened it up,
it was not just awake but had started several apps, including Facebook,
Twitter and Messenger (I forget whether / what else) - none of which had
been running when I sent it to sleep. The only answer seemed to be to
shut it down completely, which I did, and it remained peaceful.

I don't use FB & Messenger, as I have an idealogical difference of
opinion with their founder. But twitter doesn't wake my tablet up at
night.

I should clarify here that I don't use apps on Windows machines, as I
have the same idealogical differences of opion with the Microsoft
store wanting to know everything about me before letting me download
any of their pitiful selection of apps. But then, I don't use the
twitter app on my android devices either. There's a perfectly
reasonable web versiion that doesn't require storage on phone/tablet.

[Mike Headon]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet.  On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia.  If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :(  As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again?  I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.
[1] aka a wireless trackball

Dunno for sure but, some hibernation menus allow you to choose what will
wake the ‘puter up, you may find that mice are one choice and tapping the
spacebar another; you may be able to de-select Mr. Mousey.

Thanks, that's a good suggestion; I'll check it out, when I go back
upstairs.

And check if the network adapter is allowed to wake the machine from
sleep - look in Device Management.

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Mike Headon

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet.  On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia.  If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :(  As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again?  I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.
[1] aka a wireless trackball

Dunno for sure but, some hibernation menus allow you to choose what will
wake the ‘puter up, you may find that mice are one choice and tapping the
spacebar another; you may be able to de-select Mr. Mousey.

Thanks, that's a good suggestion; I'll check it out, when I go back
upstairs.

And check if the network adapter is allowed to wake the machine from
sleep - look in Device Management.

Many thanks. I'd also found this advice on one of the sites I found
when I was googling and I've reset it so that it isn't allowed to wake it.

Before that, after I'd been trying much the same with the rat, I set it
to sleep, only to immediately have it squeaking and being extremely
creative in which apps to wake. It mainly seemed to want to play with
stuff that I don't use!

After stopping the network adapter from waking it though, I put it back
to sleep and it seems to be sleeping peacefully. There was one small
problem, when I woke it up (deliberately) in that it had lost its wifi
connection but I got that back, sent it back to sleep and all is now
quiet. Fingers crossed that it stays that way and that the problem is
now fixed.

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Mike Headon

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet.  On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia.  If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :(  As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again?  I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.
[1] aka a wireless trackball

Dunno for sure but, some hibernation menus allow you to choose what will
wake the ‘puter up, you may find that mice are one choice and tapping the
spacebar another; you may be able to de-select Mr. Mousey.

Thanks, that's a good suggestion; I'll check it out, when I go back
upstairs.

And check if the network adapter is allowed to wake the machine from
sleep - look in Device Management.

Many thanks.  I'd also found this advice on one of the sites I found
when I was googling and I've reset it so that it isn't allowed to wake it.
Before that, after I'd been trying much the same with the rat, I set it
to sleep, only to immediately have it squeaking and being extremely
creative in which apps to wake.  It mainly seemed to want to play with
stuff that I don't use!
After stopping the network adapter from waking it though, I put it back
to sleep and it seems to be sleeping peacefully.  There was one small
problem, when I woke it up (deliberately) in that it had lost its wifi
connection but I got that back, sent it back to sleep and all is now
quiet.  Fingers crossed that it stays that way and that the problem is
now fixed.

Oh well, it was nice while it lasted!

All was quiet until yesterday evening, when it started squeaking again
:( A bit later, it gave an amazing trill and, when I checked what it
was up to, it had dealt itself a game of solitaire, as well as opening
Audible, amongst other things. I can only assume it was planning to
spend the evening playing solitaire, while listening to the latest
Phillip Pullman...

Having closed everything down and sent it back to sleep, it started
squeaking again and this time, rather worryingly, I found several panels
asking me if I wanted to cancel my transfer to One Drive (something I
don't actually use)! I have no idea what it had been trying to transfer
for me...

I did double check, in Device Manager, and neither ratty nor the network
adaptor is supposed to be allowed to wake it.

[Mike]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike Headon

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet.  On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia.  If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :(  As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again?  I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.
[1] aka a wireless trackball

Dunno for sure but, some hibernation menus allow you to choose what will
wake the ‘puter up, you may find that mice are one choice and tapping the
spacebar another; you may be able to de-select Mr. Mousey.

Thanks, that's a good suggestion; I'll check it out, when I go back
upstairs.

And check if the network adapter is allowed to wake the machine from
sleep - look in Device Management.

Many thanks.  I'd also found this advice on one of the sites I found
when I was googling and I've reset it so that it isn't allowed to wake it.
Before that, after I'd been trying much the same with the rat, I set it
to sleep, only to immediately have it squeaking and being extremely
creative in which apps to wake.  It mainly seemed to want to play with
stuff that I don't use!
After stopping the network adapter from waking it though, I put it back
to sleep and it seems to be sleeping peacefully.  There was one small
problem, when I woke it up (deliberately) in that it had lost its wifi
connection but I got that back, sent it back to sleep and all is now
quiet.  Fingers crossed that it stays that way and that the problem is
now fixed.

Oh well, it was nice while it lasted!
All was quiet until yesterday evening, when it started squeaking again
:( A bit later, it gave an amazing trill and, when I checked what it
was up to, it had dealt itself a game of solitaire, as well as opening
Audible, amongst other things. I can only assume it was planning to
spend the evening playing solitaire, while listening to the latest
Phillip Pullman...
Having closed everything down and sent it back to sleep, it started
squeaking again and this time, rather worryingly, I found several panels
asking me if I wanted to cancel my transfer to One Drive (something I
don't actually use)! I have no idea what it had been trying to transfer
for me...
I did double check, in Device Manager, and neither ratty nor the network
adaptor is supposed to be allowed to wake it.

Can’t help feeling you have some loose malware scurrying around in the
hooose!

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Mike

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike Headon

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet.  On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia.  If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :(  As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again?  I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.
[1] aka a wireless trackball

Dunno for sure but, some hibernation menus allow you to choose what will
wake the ‘puter up, you may find that mice are one choice and tapping the
spacebar another; you may be able to de-select Mr. Mousey.

Thanks, that's a good suggestion; I'll check it out, when I go back
upstairs.

And check if the network adapter is allowed to wake the machine from
sleep - look in Device Management.

Many thanks.  I'd also found this advice on one of the sites I found
when I was googling and I've reset it so that it isn't allowed to wake it.
Before that, after I'd been trying much the same with the rat, I set it
to sleep, only to immediately have it squeaking and being extremely
creative in which apps to wake.  It mainly seemed to want to play with
stuff that I don't use!
After stopping the network adapter from waking it though, I put it back
to sleep and it seems to be sleeping peacefully.  There was one small
problem, when I woke it up (deliberately) in that it had lost its wifi
connection but I got that back, sent it back to sleep and all is now
quiet.  Fingers crossed that it stays that way and that the problem is
now fixed.

Oh well, it was nice while it lasted!
All was quiet until yesterday evening, when it started squeaking again
:( A bit later, it gave an amazing trill and, when I checked what it
was up to, it had dealt itself a game of solitaire, as well as opening
Audible, amongst other things. I can only assume it was planning to
spend the evening playing solitaire, while listening to the latest
Phillip Pullman...
Having closed everything down and sent it back to sleep, it started
squeaking again and this time, rather worryingly, I found several panels
asking me if I wanted to cancel my transfer to One Drive (something I
don't actually use)! I have no idea what it had been trying to transfer
for me...
I did double check, in Device Manager, and neither ratty nor the network
adaptor is supposed to be allowed to wake it.

Can’t help feeling you have some loose malware scurrying around in the
hooose!

Yes, that occurred to me too. I now have a clean copy of BitDefender in
the process of installing.

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Mike

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike Headon

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet.  On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia.  If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :(  As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again?  I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.
[1] aka a wireless trackball

Dunno for sure but, some hibernation menus allow you to choose what will
wake the ‘puter up, you may find that mice are one choice and tapping the
spacebar another; you may be able to de-select Mr. Mousey.

Thanks, that's a good suggestion; I'll check it out, when I go back
upstairs.

And check if the network adapter is allowed to wake the machine from
sleep - look in Device Management.

Many thanks.  I'd also found this advice on one of the sites I found
when I was googling and I've reset it so that it isn't allowed to wake it.
Before that, after I'd been trying much the same with the rat, I set it
to sleep, only to immediately have it squeaking and being extremely
creative in which apps to wake.  It mainly seemed to want to play with
stuff that I don't use!
After stopping the network adapter from waking it though, I put it back
to sleep and it seems to be sleeping peacefully.  There was one small
problem, when I woke it up (deliberately) in that it had lost its wifi
connection but I got that back, sent it back to sleep and all is now
quiet.  Fingers crossed that it stays that way and that the problem is
now fixed.

Oh well, it was nice while it lasted!
All was quiet until  yesterday evening, when it started squeaking again
:(  A bit later, it gave an amazing trill and, when I checked what it
was up to, it had dealt itself a game of solitaire, as well as opening
Audible, amongst other things.  I can only assume it was planning to
spend the evening playing solitaire, while listening to the latest
Phillip Pullman...
Having closed everything down and sent it back to sleep, it started
squeaking again and this time, rather worryingly, I found several panels
asking me if I wanted to cancel my transfer to One Drive (something I
don't actually use)!  I have no idea what it had been trying to transfer
for me...
I did double check, in Device Manager, and neither ratty nor the network
adaptor is supposed to be allowed to wake it.

Can’t help feeling you have some loose malware scurrying around in the
hooose!

Yes, that occurred to me too.  I now have a clean copy of BitDefender in
the process of installing.

Bitdefender thinks everything looks completely clean. I've decided my
next step is to exorcise the machine by doing a complete reset and
re-installation, including cleaning the disk. If it's still being kept
awake by ghosts after that, I'll probably try the Win 10 newsgroup
suggested by jpeg.

[Mike Ruddock]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike Headon

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet.  On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia.  If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :(  As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again?  I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.
[1] aka a wireless trackball

Dunno for sure but, some hibernation menus allow you to choose what will
wake the ‘puter up, you may find that mice are one choice and tapping the
spacebar another; you may be able to de-select Mr. Mousey.

Thanks, that's a good suggestion; I'll check it out, when I go back
upstairs.

And check if the network adapter is allowed to wake the machine from
sleep - look in Device Management.

Many thanks.  I'd also found this advice on one of the sites I found
when I was googling and I've reset it so that it isn't allowed to wake it.
Before that, after I'd been trying much the same with the rat, I set
it to sleep, only to immediately have it squeaking and being extremely
creative in which apps to wake.  It mainly seemed to want to play with
stuff that I don't use!
After stopping the network adapter from waking it though, I put it
back to sleep and it seems to be sleeping peacefully.  There was one
small problem, when I woke it up (deliberately) in that it had lost
its wifi connection but I got that back, sent it back to sleep and all
is now quiet.  Fingers crossed that it stays that way and that the
problem is now fixed.

Oh well, it was nice while it lasted!
All was quiet until  yesterday evening, when it started squeaking again
:(  A bit later, it gave an amazing trill and, when I checked what it
was up to, it had dealt itself a game of solitaire, as well as opening
Audible, amongst other things.  I can only assume it was planning to
spend the evening playing solitaire, while listening to the latest
Phillip Pullman...
Having closed everything down and sent it back to sleep, it started
squeaking again and this time, rather worryingly, I found several panels
asking me if I wanted to cancel my transfer to One Drive (something I
don't actually use)!  I have no idea what it had been trying to transfer
for me...
I did double check, in Device Manager, and neither ratty nor the network
adaptor is supposed to be allowed to wake it.

No, Serena, what you have here is a haunted tablet. Ring up the local
Catholic priest (they know more about this sort of thing than your
Anglican vicar) and get him round to yours with bell, book and candle.

Mike Ruddock

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Mike Ruddock

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike Headon

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet.  On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia.  If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :(  As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again?  I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.
[1] aka a wireless trackball

Dunno for sure but, some hibernation menus allow you to choose what will
wake the ‘puter up, you may find that mice are one choice and tapping the
spacebar another; you may be able to de-select Mr. Mousey.

Thanks, that's a good suggestion; I'll check it out, when I go back
upstairs.

And check if the network adapter is allowed to wake the machine from
sleep - look in Device Management.

Many thanks.  I'd also found this advice on one of the sites I found
when I was googling and I've reset it so that it isn't allowed to wake it.
Before that, after I'd been trying much the same with the rat, I set
it to sleep, only to immediately have it squeaking and being
extremely creative in which apps to wake.  It mainly seemed to want
to play with stuff that I don't use!
After stopping the network adapter from waking it though, I put it
back to sleep and it seems to be sleeping peacefully.  There was one
small problem, when I woke it up (deliberately) in that it had lost
its wifi connection but I got that back, sent it back to sleep and
all is now quiet.  Fingers crossed that it stays that way and that
the problem is now fixed.

Oh well, it was nice while it lasted!
All was quiet until  yesterday evening, when it started squeaking
again :(  A bit later, it gave an amazing trill and, when I checked
what it was up to, it had dealt itself a game of solitaire, as well as
opening Audible, amongst other things.  I can only assume it was
planning to spend the evening playing solitaire, while listening to
the latest Phillip Pullman...
Having closed everything down and sent it back to sleep, it started
squeaking again and this time, rather worryingly, I found several
panels asking me if I wanted to cancel my transfer to One Drive
(something I don't actually use)!  I have no idea what it had been
trying to transfer for me...
I did double check, in Device Manager, and neither ratty nor the
network adaptor is supposed to be allowed to wake it.

No, Serena, what you have here is a haunted tablet. Ring up the local
Catholic priest (they know more about this sort of thing than  your
Anglican vicar) and get him round to yours with bell, book and candle.

<g> Yes, that was a thought that had crossed my mind, as well.

[Chris McMillan]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike Ruddock

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike Headon

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet.  On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia.  If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :(  As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again?  I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.
[1] aka a wireless trackball

Dunno for sure but, some hibernation menus allow you to choose what will
wake the ‘puter up, you may find that mice are one choice and tapping the
spacebar another; you may be able to de-select Mr. Mousey.

Thanks, that's a good suggestion; I'll check it out, when I go back
upstairs.

And check if the network adapter is allowed to wake the machine from
sleep - look in Device Management.

Many thanks.  I'd also found this advice on one of the sites I found
when I was googling and I've reset it so that it isn't allowed to wake it.
Before that, after I'd been trying much the same with the rat, I set
it to sleep, only to immediately have it squeaking and being
extremely creative in which apps to wake.  It mainly seemed to want
to play with stuff that I don't use!
After stopping the network adapter from waking it though, I put it
back to sleep and it seems to be sleeping peacefully.  There was one
small problem, when I woke it up (deliberately) in that it had lost
its wifi connection but I got that back, sent it back to sleep and
all is now quiet.  Fingers crossed that it stays that way and that
the problem is now fixed.

Oh well, it was nice while it lasted!
All was quiet until  yesterday evening, when it started squeaking
again :(  A bit later, it gave an amazing trill and, when I checked
what it was up to, it had dealt itself a game of solitaire, as well as
opening Audible, amongst other things.  I can only assume it was
planning to spend the evening playing solitaire, while listening to
the latest Phillip Pullman...
Having closed everything down and sent it back to sleep, it started
squeaking again and this time, rather worryingly, I found several
panels asking me if I wanted to cancel my transfer to One Drive
(something I don't actually use)!  I have no idea what it had been
trying to transfer for me...
I did double check, in Device Manager, and neither ratty nor the
network adaptor is supposed to be allowed to wake it.

No, Serena, what you have here is a haunted tablet. Ring up the local
Catholic priest (they know more about this sort of thing than  your
Anglican vicar) and get him round to yours with bell, book and candle.

<g> Yes, that was a thought that had crossed my mind, as well.

Get Jim Lloyd on the case.

Sincerely Chris

[Fenny]

On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 12:19:21 +0000, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike Ruddock

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike Headon

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet.  On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia.  If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :(  As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again?  I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.
[1] aka a wireless trackball

Dunno for sure but, some hibernation menus allow you to choose what will
wake the ‘puter up, you may find that mice are one choice and
tapping the
spacebar another; you may be able to de-select Mr. Mousey.

Thanks, that's a good suggestion; I'll check it out, when I go back
upstairs.

And check if the network adapter is allowed to wake the machine from
sleep - look in Device Management.

Many thanks.  I'd also found this advice on one of the sites I found
when I was googling and I've reset it so that it isn't allowed to wake it.
Before that, after I'd been trying much the same with the rat, I set
it to sleep, only to immediately have it squeaking and being
extremely creative in which apps to wake.  It mainly seemed to want
to play with stuff that I don't use!
After stopping the network adapter from waking it though, I put it
back to sleep and it seems to be sleeping peacefully.  There was one
small problem, when I woke it up (deliberately) in that it had lost
its wifi connection but I got that back, sent it back to sleep and
all is now quiet.  Fingers crossed that it stays that way and that
the problem is now fixed.

Oh well, it was nice while it lasted!
All was quiet until  yesterday evening, when it started squeaking
again :(  A bit later, it gave an amazing trill and, when I checked
what it was up to, it had dealt itself a game of solitaire, as well as
opening Audible, amongst other things.  I can only assume it was
planning to spend the evening playing solitaire, while listening to
the latest Phillip Pullman...
Having closed everything down and sent it back to sleep, it started
squeaking again and this time, rather worryingly, I found several
panels asking me if I wanted to cancel my transfer to One Drive
(something I don't actually use)!  I have no idea what it had been
trying to transfer for me...
I did double check, in Device Manager, and neither ratty nor the
network adaptor is supposed to be allowed to wake it.

No, Serena, what you have here is a haunted tablet. Ring up the local
Catholic priest (they know more about this sort of thing than  your
Anglican vicar) and get him round to yours with bell, book and candle.

<g> Yes, that was a thought that had crossed my mind, as well.

Contact @RevRichardColes on twitter. I'm sure he can do it online for
you.

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Fenny
On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 12:19:21 +0000, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike Ruddock
No, Serena, what you have here is a haunted tablet. Ring up the local
Catholic priest (they know more about this sort of thing than  your
Anglican vicar) and get him round to yours with bell, book and candle.

<g> Yes, that was a thought that had crossed my mind, as well.

you.

It's possible it will come to that.

Having done a full reset, including cleaning the disk, the first time I
sent it to sleep, it woke up again and started an assortment of apps (I
forget which but, obviously, all the ones which are built in). Since
then though, it has been behaving itself so I may start installing the
software I actually want to use on it soon.

After it's initial fling of opening stuff, I'm not too hopeful.

[Nick Odell]

On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 10:17:30 +0000, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Fenny
On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 12:19:21 +0000, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike Ruddock
No, Serena, what you have here is a haunted tablet. Ring up the local
Catholic priest (they know more about this sort of thing than  your
Anglican vicar) and get him round to yours with bell, book and candle.

<g> Yes, that was a thought that had crossed my mind, as well.

you.

It's possible it will come to that.
Having done a full reset, including cleaning the disk, the first time I
sent it to sleep, it woke up again and started an assortment of apps (I
forget which but, obviously, all the ones which are built in). Since
then though, it has been behaving itself so I may start installing the
software I actually want to use on it soon.
After it's initial fling of opening stuff, I'm not too hopeful.

No advice to offer, I'm afraid, but I'm just mentioning that I have a
similar but different problem with a netbook that wakes up not from
sleep or hibernation but from shutdown whenever the power cord is
connected or the battery swapped.

Slightly creepy is the way it consumes quite a lot of power whilst
shutdown inasmuch as a full, six-cell battery will be empty after a
couple of months compared with other laptop/netbook batteries which
are hardly dented by being left unused.

Extra doubly super creepy is the way it logged into my wi-fi without
my telling it how to[1] - though somebody said that might be because
it has an identical OS and login password etc to another Win8.1
machine and Microsoft might have shared common files or something when
it was on the old password. Anyway, I bought it very cheap as a spare
so I shall keep it in quarantine until I need to get the appropriate
round tuits to sort it out.

Nick
[1]Checking out a broadband problem I swapped the current router which
all the machines knew for an old router which was only known to
machines that had been in my house a year or so previously. All the
machines, including the new one, connected.

[Nick Leverton]

Post by Mike Ruddock

Post by Serena Blanchflower
I did double check, in Device Manager, and neither ratty nor the network
adaptor is supposed to be allowed to wake it.

No, Serena, what you have here is a haunted tablet. Ring up the local
Catholic priest (they know more about this sort of thing than your
Anglican vicar) and get him round to yours with bell, book and candle.

I believe for cases of electronic possession they prefer digital alarms,
Kindles and E-vaporisers ...

Nick

[BrritSki]

Post by Nick Leverton

Post by Mike Ruddock

Post by Serena Blanchflower
I did double check, in Device Manager, and neither ratty nor the network
adaptor is supposed to be allowed to wake it.

No, Serena, what you have here is a haunted tablet. Ring up the local
Catholic priest (they know more about this sort of thing than your
Anglican vicar) and get him round to yours with bell, book and candle.

I believe for cases of electronic possession they prefer digital alarms,
Kindles and E-vaporisers ...

No, she needs an XORcism.....

[Mike]

Post by Mike Ruddock

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike Headon

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet.  On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia.  If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :(  As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again?  I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.
[1] aka a wireless trackball

Dunno for sure but, some hibernation menus allow you to choose what will
wake the ‘puter up, you may find that mice are one choice and tapping the
spacebar another; you may be able to de-select Mr. Mousey.

Thanks, that's a good suggestion; I'll check it out, when I go back
upstairs.

And check if the network adapter is allowed to wake the machine from
sleep - look in Device Management.

Many thanks.  I'd also found this advice on one of the sites I found
when I was googling and I've reset it so that it isn't allowed to wake it.
Before that, after I'd been trying much the same with the rat, I set
it to sleep, only to immediately have it squeaking and being extremely
creative in which apps to wake.  It mainly seemed to want to play with
stuff that I don't use!
After stopping the network adapter from waking it though, I put it
back to sleep and it seems to be sleeping peacefully.  There was one
small problem, when I woke it up (deliberately) in that it had lost
its wifi connection but I got that back, sent it back to sleep and all
is now quiet.  Fingers crossed that it stays that way and that the
problem is now fixed.

Oh well, it was nice while it lasted!
All was quiet until  yesterday evening, when it started squeaking again
:(  A bit later, it gave an amazing trill and, when I checked what it
was up to, it had dealt itself a game of solitaire, as well as opening
Audible, amongst other things.  I can only assume it was planning to
spend the evening playing solitaire, while listening to the latest
Phillip Pullman...
Having closed everything down and sent it back to sleep, it started
squeaking again and this time, rather worryingly, I found several panels
asking me if I wanted to cancel my transfer to One Drive (something I
don't actually use)!  I have no idea what it had been trying to transfer
for me...
I did double check, in Device Manager, and neither ratty nor the network
adaptor is supposed to be allowed to wake it.

No, Serena, what you have here is a haunted tablet. Ring up the local
Catholic priest (they know more about this sort of thing than your
Anglican vicar) and get him round to yours with bell, book and candle.
Mike Ruddock

Don’t you mean ‘Dell, MacBook and Tandy?

[Sid Nuncius]

Post by Mike

Post by Mike Ruddock

Post by Serena Blanchflower
I did double check, in Device Manager, and neither ratty nor the network
adaptor is supposed to be allowed to wake it.

No, Serena, what you have here is a haunted tablet. Ring up the local
Catholic priest (they know more about this sort of thing than your
Anglican vicar) and get him round to yours with bell, book and candle.

Don’t you mean ‘Dell, MacBook and Tandy?

Dell, Netbook and Kindle, shurely?

[Mike]

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by Mike

Post by Mike Ruddock

Post by Serena Blanchflower
I did double check, in Device Manager, and neither ratty nor the network
adaptor is supposed to be allowed to wake it.

No, Serena, what you have here is a haunted tablet. Ring up the local
Catholic priest (they know more about this sort of thing than your
Anglican vicar) and get him round to yours with bell, book and candle.

Don’t you mean ‘Dell, MacBook and Tandy?

Dell, Netbook and Kindle, shurely?

You read more into that than I intended Sid; though I suppose it would help
in ensuring one used the right chapter house...

[Mike Headon]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike Headon

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet.  On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia.  If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :(  As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again?  I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.
[1] aka a wireless trackball

Dunno for sure but, some hibernation menus allow you to choose what will
wake the ‘puter up, you may find that mice are one choice and tapping the
spacebar another; you may be able to de-select Mr. Mousey.

Thanks, that's a good suggestion; I'll check it out, when I go back
upstairs.

And check if the network adapter is allowed to wake the machine from
sleep - look in Device Management.

Many thanks.  I'd also found this advice on one of the sites I found
when I was googling and I've reset it so that it isn't allowed to wake it.
Before that, after I'd been trying much the same with the rat, I set
it to sleep, only to immediately have it squeaking and being extremely
creative in which apps to wake.  It mainly seemed to want to play with
stuff that I don't use!
After stopping the network adapter from waking it though, I put it
back to sleep and it seems to be sleeping peacefully.  There was one
small problem, when I woke it up (deliberately) in that it had lost
its wifi connection but I got that back, sent it back to sleep and all
is now quiet.  Fingers crossed that it stays that way and that the
problem is now fixed.

Oh well, it was nice while it lasted!
All was quiet until  yesterday evening, when it started squeaking again
:(  A bit later, it gave an amazing trill and, when I checked what it
was up to, it had dealt itself a game of solitaire, as well as opening
Audible, amongst other things.  I can only assume it was planning to
spend the evening playing solitaire, while listening to the latest
Phillip Pullman...
Having closed everything down and sent it back to sleep, it started
squeaking again and this time, rather worryingly, I found several panels
asking me if I wanted to cancel my transfer to One Drive (something I
don't actually use)!  I have no idea what it had been trying to transfer
for me...
I did double check, in Device Manager, and neither ratty nor the network
adaptor is supposed to be allowed to wake it.

Sorry, I should have said, also tell the network adapter to never power
off. And dare I ask - Have you checked for viruses/malware?

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Mike Headon
Sorry, I should have said, also tell the network adapter to never power
off. And dare I ask - Have you checked for viruses/malware?

I installed Bitdefender, when I first got it but that was an early
suspect for waking the beast up, so I removed it some time ago. This
morning, I reinstalled a clean copy and did a full scan which gave a
full bill of health.

I've now done a full factory reset, including fully wiping the disc, and
it's currently going through the process of getting Windows up to date.
Once that's finished, I'll send it to sleep and see what happens. If
all looks well, I'll then start reinstalling stuff and see what happens.

[Penny]

On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 12:53:34 +0000, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet. On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia. If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :( As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again? I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.

Win10 allows me to set 'quiet hours' which, in theory, disables all
notifications. Maybe there is something like that in settings, under
notifications?

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Penny
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 12:53:34 +0000, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet. On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia. If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :( As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again? I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.

Win10 allows me to set 'quiet hours' which, in theory, disables all
notifications. Maybe there is something like that in settings, under
notifications?

Hmm, that might help lessen the impact, at least at night, but I really
don't want it squeaking at me, when it's meant to be asleep, at any time
of the day or night. Nor do I want it opening assorted apps I have't
asked for.

[Sally Thompson]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Penny
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 12:53:34 +0000, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet. On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia. If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :( As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again? I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.

Win10 allows me to set 'quiet hours' which, in theory, disables all
notifications. Maybe there is something like that in settings, under
notifications?

Hmm, that might help lessen the impact, at least at night, but I really
don't want it squeaking at me, when it's meant to be asleep, at any time
of the day or night. Nor do I want it opening assorted apps I have't
asked for.

I am not a Windows user, but if you bought it "a few months ago" then can
you take it up with the retailer? Or is there a Windows tablet forum
somewhere where you can ask the question?

[Mike]

Post by Sally Thompson

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Penny
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 12:53:34 +0000, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet. On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia. If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :( As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again? I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.

Win10 allows me to set 'quiet hours' which, in theory, disables all
notifications. Maybe there is something like that in settings, under
notifications?

Hmm, that might help lessen the impact, at least at night, but I really
don't want it squeaking at me, when it's meant to be asleep, at any time
of the day or night. Nor do I want it opening assorted apps I have't
asked for.

I am not a Windows user, but if you bought it "a few months ago" then can
you take it up with the retailer? Or is there a Windows tablet forum
somewhere where you can ask the question?

Did mousey arrive with some software that you installed? You may find that
any such software allows you to open various apps (which, by the sound of
it, you do not wish it to open for you).

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Mike

Post by Sally Thompson

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Penny
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 12:53:34 +0000, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet. On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia. If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :( As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again? I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.

Win10 allows me to set 'quiet hours' which, in theory, disables all
notifications. Maybe there is something like that in settings, under
notifications?

Hmm, that might help lessen the impact, at least at night, but I really
don't want it squeaking at me, when it's meant to be asleep, at any time
of the day or night. Nor do I want it opening assorted apps I have't
asked for.

I am not a Windows user, but if you bought it "a few months ago" then can
you take it up with the retailer? Or is there a Windows tablet forum
somewhere where you can ask the question?

Did mousey arrive with some software that you installed? You may find that
any such software allows you to open various apps (which, by the sound of
it, you do not wish it to open for you).

No specific software for ratty and it's only on the tablet that I have
problems. Ratty also works, very happily, when connected to my
laptop[1] and that has never woken up unexpectedly, nor do apps open
when I haven't asked them to. I also have an identical rat on my
desktop, which also behaves impeccably.

[1] It has a USB dongle and it will talk to whichever device the dongle
is plugged into.

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Sally Thompson

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Penny
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 12:53:34 +0000, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet. On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia. If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :( As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again? I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.

Win10 allows me to set 'quiet hours' which, in theory, disables all
notifications. Maybe there is something like that in settings, under
notifications?

Hmm, that might help lessen the impact, at least at night, but I really
don't want it squeaking at me, when it's meant to be asleep, at any time
of the day or night. Nor do I want it opening assorted apps I have't
asked for.

I am not a Windows user, but if you bought it "a few months ago" then can
you take it up with the retailer? Or is there a Windows tablet forum
somewhere where you can ask the question?

Umra is by far the most knowledgeable forum for such things that I'm
aware of but it will definitely be worth googling to see if I can find
any alternative sources of wisdom. The tablet came from Amazon and I
doubt they have that kind of knowledge about what they sell.

[BrritSki]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Sally Thompson

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Penny
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 12:53:34 +0000, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet.  On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia.  If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :(  As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again?  I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.

Win10 allows me to set 'quiet hours' which, in theory, disables all
notifications. Maybe there is something like that in settings, under
notifications?

Hmm, that might help lessen the impact, at least at night, but I really
don't want it squeaking at me, when it's meant to be asleep, at any time
of the day or night.  Nor do I want it opening assorted apps I have't
asked for.

I am not a Windows user, but if you bought it "a few months ago" then can
you take it up with the retailer? Or is there a Windows tablet forum
somewhere where you can ask the question?

Umra is by far the most knowledgeable forum for such things that I'm
aware of but it will definitely be worth googling to see if I can find
any alternative sources of wisdom.  The tablet came from Amazon and I
doubt they have that kind of knowledge about what they sell.

Does this help:
<https://lifehacker.com/how-find-out-what-woke-up-your-computer-last-1550549116>

[BrritSki]

Post by BrritSki

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Sally Thompson

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Penny
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 12:53:34 +0000, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet.  On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia.  If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :(  As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again?  I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.

Win10 allows me to set 'quiet hours' which, in theory, disables all
notifications. Maybe there is something like that in settings, under
notifications?

Hmm, that might help lessen the impact, at least at night, but I really
don't want it squeaking at me, when it's meant to be asleep, at any time
of the day or night.  Nor do I want it opening assorted apps I have't
asked for.

I am not a Windows user, but if you bought it "a few months ago" then can
you take it up with the retailer? Or is there a Windows tablet forum
somewhere where you can ask the question?

Umra is by far the most knowledgeable forum for such things that I'm
aware of but it will definitely be worth googling to see if I can find
any alternative sources of wisdom.  The tablet came from Amazon and I
doubt they have that kind of knowledge about what they sell.

<https://lifehacker.com/how-find-out-what-woke-up-your-computer-last-1550549116>

Or this: <https://windowsreport.com/windows-8-windows-10-wakes-sleep-fix/>

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

[]

Post by BrritSki

Post by BrritSki

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Sally Thompson
I am not a Windows user, but if you bought it "a few months ago"
then can

That was my thought if it was something like PC World, but apparently it
was amazon, so you probably can't ask them directly. However, you could
ask other users on their listing for it, which is near enough the same
thing.

Post by BrritSki

Post by BrritSki

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Sally Thompson
you take it up with the retailer? Or is there a Windows tablet forum
somewhere where you can ask the question?

Umra is by far the most knowledgeable forum for such things that I'm
aware of but it will definitely be worth googling to see if I can
find any alternative sources of wisdom.  The tablet came from Amazon
and I doubt they have that kind of knowledge about what they sell.

<https://lifehacker.com/how-find-out-what-woke-up-your-computer-last-15
50549116>

<https://windowsreport.com/windows-8-windows-10-wakes-sleep-fix/>

If neither of those help: UMRA is indeed far more knowledgeable about
such matters than one might expect, but I'd give alt.comp.os.windows-10
(and possibly alt.windows7.general) a look-in - they're knowledgeable
and helpful, and include the peerless Paul, who isn't an UMRAt.

[Anne B]

Post by Penny
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 12:53:34 +0000, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet. On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia. If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :( As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again? I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.

Win10 allows me to set 'quiet hours' which, in theory, disables all
notifications. Maybe there is something like that in settings, under
notifications?

Could you not just turn off all its sounds then lay it face down or
cover it with a book so you don't see it lighting up?

Anne B

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Anne B

Post by Penny
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 12:53:34 +0000, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet.  On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia.  If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :(  As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again?  I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.

Win10 allows me to set 'quiet hours' which, in theory, disables all
notifications. Maybe there is something like that in settings, under
notifications?

Could you not just turn off all its sounds then lay it face down or
cover it with a book so you don't see it lighting up?

It's generally covered up, anyway and yes, it would be possible to turn
the sounds off, although that just adds more hassle to it, when the
point of a tablet is that you should be able to pick it up and it's
ready to go.

The bigger problem though is the fact that it's opening all sorts of
apps, and the question of what they may be doing. At best, I have to
close them all down again before I can try to do anything else.

At the moment though, it seems to be behaving itself. After it's one
fling of opening everything, just after reinstalling Windows, it hasn't
done it again. I've got some stuff reinstalled but haven't had the
energy to get it properly set up again yet. I'm just hoping it doesn't
get back into any of its bad habits.

[Steve Hague]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Anne B

Post by Penny
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 12:53:34 +0000, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet.  On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia.  If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :(  As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again?  I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.

Win10 allows me to set 'quiet hours' which, in theory, disables all
notifications. Maybe there is something like that in settings, under
notifications?

Could you not just turn off all its sounds then lay it face down or
cover it with a book so you don't see it lighting up?

It's generally covered up, anyway and yes, it would be possible to turn
the sounds off, although that just adds more hassle to it, when the
point of a tablet is that you should be able to pick it up and it's
ready to go.
The bigger problem though is the fact that it's opening all sorts of
apps, and the question of what they may be doing.  At best, I have to
close them all down again before I can try to do anything else.
At the moment though, it seems to be behaving itself.  After it's one
fling of opening everything, just after reinstalling Windows, it hasn't
done it again.  I've got some stuff reinstalled but haven't had the
energy to get it properly set up again yet.  I'm just hoping it doesn't
get back into any of its bad habits.

Earlier this year, more in hope than expectation I bought a cheap (very)
smartphone from the Joom Chinese website. It was lovely. Plenty of
storage, fast response and initially no problems with it at all, but
after a couple of days an app I hadn't installed would appear, and the
only way I could get the phone to do anything else was to go into
settings and uninstall it. The boodly thing would be back the next day
with a couple more seriously unwanted apps. A bit of research showed me
that these phones come with a pre- installed virus which can't be
removed. A pity I didn't do the research before shelling out £30.00.
Steve

[Chris McMillan]

Post by Steve Hague

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Anne B

Post by Penny
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 12:53:34 +0000, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet.  On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia.  If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :(  As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again?  I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.

Win10 allows me to set 'quiet hours' which, in theory, disables all
notifications. Maybe there is something like that in settings, under
notifications?

Could you not just turn off all its sounds then lay it face down or
cover it with a book so you don't see it lighting up?

It's generally covered up, anyway and yes, it would be possible to turn
the sounds off, although that just adds more hassle to it, when the
point of a tablet is that you should be able to pick it up and it's
ready to go.
The bigger problem though is the fact that it's opening all sorts of
apps, and the question of what they may be doing.  At best, I have to
close them all down again before I can try to do anything else.
At the moment though, it seems to be behaving itself.  After it's one
fling of opening everything, just after reinstalling Windows, it hasn't
done it again.  I've got some stuff reinstalled but haven't had the
energy to get it properly set up again yet.  I'm just hoping it doesn't
get back into any of its bad habits.

Earlier this year, more in hope than expectation I bought a cheap (very)
smartphone from the Joom Chinese website. It was lovely. Plenty of
storage, fast response and initially no problems with it at all, but
after a couple of days an app I hadn't installed would appear, and the
only way I could get the phone to do anything else was to go into
settings and uninstall it. The boodly thing would be back the next day
with a couple more seriously unwanted apps. A bit of research showed me
that these phones come with a pre- installed virus which can't be
removed. A pity I didn't do the research before shelling out £30.00.
Steve

Never trust a Chinese product! LOL.

Sincerely Chris

[Nick Odell]

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 16:49:16 GMT, Chris McMillan

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by Steve Hague

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Anne B

Post by Penny
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 12:53:34 +0000, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet.  On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia.  If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :(  As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again?  I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.

Win10 allows me to set 'quiet hours' which, in theory, disables all
notifications. Maybe there is something like that in settings, under
notifications?

Could you not just turn off all its sounds then lay it face down or
cover it with a book so you don't see it lighting up?

It's generally covered up, anyway and yes, it would be possible to turn
the sounds off, although that just adds more hassle to it, when the
point of a tablet is that you should be able to pick it up and it's
ready to go.
The bigger problem though is the fact that it's opening all sorts of
apps, and the question of what they may be doing.  At best, I have to
close them all down again before I can try to do anything else.
At the moment though, it seems to be behaving itself.  After it's one
fling of opening everything, just after reinstalling Windows, it hasn't
done it again.  I've got some stuff reinstalled but haven't had the
energy to get it properly set up again yet.  I'm just hoping it doesn't
get back into any of its bad habits.

Earlier this year, more in hope than expectation I bought a cheap (very)
smartphone from the Joom Chinese website. It was lovely. Plenty of
storage, fast response and initially no problems with it at all, but
after a couple of days an app I hadn't installed would appear, and the
only way I could get the phone to do anything else was to go into
settings and uninstall it. The boodly thing would be back the next day
with a couple more seriously unwanted apps. A bit of research showed me
that these phones come with a pre- installed virus which can't be
removed. A pity I didn't do the research before shelling out £30.00.
Steve

Never trust a Chinese product! LOL.

YATheDirectorGeneralOfGCHQAICM5phonetaps

Nick

[Sid Nuncius]

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by Steve Hague
Earlier this year, more in hope than expectation I bought a cheap (very)
smartphone from the Joom Chinese website. It was lovely. Plenty of
storage, fast response and initially no problems with it at all, but
after a couple of days an app I hadn't installed would appear, and the
only way I could get the phone to do anything else was to go into
settings and uninstall it. The boodly thing would be back the next day
with a couple more seriously unwanted apps. A bit of research showed me
that these phones come with a pre- installed virus which can't be
removed. A pity I didn't do the research before shelling out £30.00.

Never trust a Chinese product! LOL.

But more, much more than this
I did it Huawei.[1]

[1]I didn't, in fact. I have a phone made by Umi (another Chinese
manufacturer of telephones, m'lud) which has served me very well for
over three years and which I hope will carry on so.

[Chris McMillan]

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by Steve Hague
Earlier this year, more in hope than expectation I bought a cheap (very)
smartphone from the Joom Chinese website. It was lovely. Plenty of
storage, fast response and initially no problems with it at all, but
after a couple of days an app I hadn't installed would appear, and the
only way I could get the phone to do anything else was to go into
settings and uninstall it. The boodly thing would be back the next day
with a couple more seriously unwanted apps. A bit of research showed me
that these phones come with a pre- installed virus which can't be
removed. A pity I didn't do the research before shelling out £30.00.

Never trust a Chinese product! LOL.

But more, much more than this
I did it Huawei.[1]
[1]I didn't, in fact. I have a phone made by Umi (another Chinese
manufacturer of telephones, m'lud) which has served me very well for
over three years and which I hope will carry on so.

Rotflmao! Huawei has its UK HQ on an industrial park in Reading.

Sincerely Chris

[Mike Ruddock]

Post by Steve Hague

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Anne B

Post by Penny
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 12:53:34 +0000, Serena Blanchflower

Post by Serena Blanchflower
As somerats may remember, a few months ago I bought a new Windows
tablet.  On the whole, it's OK but not great - I think the best thing
about it is being able to use it with my rat[1].
There is one huge problem though, in that it appears to suffer from
insomnia.  If I put it in Sleep mode, rather than shutting down
completely, all too often, it will wake up again, opening all sorts of
windows and apps and squeaking plaintively :(  As it lives beside my
bed, this really isn't something I appreciate and the only option seems
to be to shut it down fully each time, which means waiting forever to
get it going again, which rather defeats the object of having a tablet...
Do any rats have any suggestions of how to persuade it to go to sleep
and stay that way, until I want it again?  I generally shut down all
apps before sending it to sleep, so I really don't know what's waking
them all up again.

Win10 allows me to set 'quiet hours' which, in theory, disables all
notifications. Maybe there is something like that in settings, under
notifications?

Could you not just turn off all its sounds then lay it face down or
cover it with a book so you don't see it lighting up?

It's generally covered up, anyway and yes, it would be possible to
turn the sounds off, although that just adds more hassle to it, when
the point of a tablet is that you should be able to pick it up and
it's ready to go.
The bigger problem though is the fact that it's opening all sorts of
apps, and the question of what they may be doing.  At best, I have to
close them all down again before I can try to do anything else.
At the moment though, it seems to be behaving itself.  After it's one
fling of opening everything, just after reinstalling Windows, it
hasn't done it again.  I've got some stuff reinstalled but haven't had
the energy to get it properly set up again yet.  I'm just hoping it
doesn't get back into any of its bad habits.

Earlier this year, more in hope than expectation I bought a cheap (very)
smartphone from the Joom Chinese website. It was lovely. Plenty of
storage, fast response and initially no problems with it at all, but
after a couple of days an app I hadn't installed would appear, and the
only way I could get the phone to do anything else was to go into
settings and uninstall it. The boodly thing would be back the next day
with a couple more seriously unwanted apps. A bit of research showed me
that these phones come with a pre- installed virus which can't be
removed. A pity I didn't do the research before shelling out £30.00.
Steve

I have a phone made by Samsung and yesterday I found two apps on it I
had not installed. One was for Fiat and the other gave information about
Eurostar.
The worst of it is I can't find out how to dump them.
Miker Ruddock

[BrritSki]

Post by Mike Ruddock
I have a phone made by Samsung and yesterday I found two apps on it I
had not installed. One was for Fiat and the other gave information about
Eurostar.
The worst of it is I can't find out how to dump them.

Press and hold down on the icon on the home screen and a menu should pop
up that allows you to uninstall.

Alternatively go to Settings >Apps and uninstall from there.

Both of these work on my Samsung 9.

I also have Lookout installed as an Antivirus. There's a free version
for basic functions, or about £20pa for a fuller service which is what I
pay.
<https://www.tomsguide.com/reviews/lookout-mobile-security>

[Mike Ruddock]

Post by BrritSki

Post by Mike Ruddock
I have a phone made by Samsung and yesterday I found two apps on it I
had not installed. One was for Fiat and the other gave information
about Eurostar.
The worst of it is I can't find out how to dump them.

Press and hold down on the icon on the home screen and a menu should pop
up that allows you to uninstall.
Alternatively go to Settings >Apps and uninstall from there.
Both of these work on my Samsung 9.
I also have Lookout installed as an Antivirus. There's a free version
for basic functions, or about £20pa for a fuller service which is what I
pay.
<https://www.tomsguide.com/reviews/lookout-mobile-security>

Thanks, that seems to have worked.

Mike Ruddock