SP2 Problems

Post by ***=W=***
SP2 PROBLEMS..................................NOT!
I am noticing since I installed the SP2 service pack my computer zips
along faster than it ever has.

Because you never knew how to configure your browser and it is now done for you.

Post by ***=W=***
I am also noticing that by default in
outlook express images in sigs are not downloaded unless I want to
download them.

Gee thought you were a pc expert? I been viewing messages in plain text for years thats why I don't care about html post.

Post by ***=W=***
Pretty cool if you ask me.

Nobody asked you ;)

Post by ***=W=***
For those who tried to tell me my computer would explode, or that the
SP2 was the worst thing ever I knew it was a bunch of BS because

You lie like a cheap rug Cryler. NOBODY posted that it would explode or that it was the worst thing ever.

It was posted to wait to install it.
NOT BEING EMPLOYED you wouldn't care but for those who use thier PC for WORK care when thier PC goes down.
You wouldn't be bragging if you were like one of my customers who has AutoCad on his pc and put SP2 in and now it will not boot.
So you got lucky who cares? No big deal if you lost your porn collection because thats all you have and will ever have.

Post by ***=W=***
I
know people who have had the beta version running for months and had
zero problems.

You know Jack! And that's another lie.
The first non public beta releases were full of problems and this release is still causing people problems so don't try to speak for everyone.
Microsoft even admits it on thier website and that's were this info comes from.
But I guess you know more than them.

The following table lists programs that are known to experience a loss of functionality when they run on a Windows XP SP2-based computer.

Program name Program version Program vendor Processor type Web site Issue or symptom
AOL Toolbar 1.13.2 AOL 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.aol.com The Information Bar blocks access to the tool's edit boxes.
BitDefender 7.2 SOFTWIN 64-bit (NX) http://www.bitdefender.com The program does not install.
BitDefender AntiSpam 7 SOFTWIN 64-bit (NX) http://www.bitdefender.com The program does not install.
BlackICE 3.6 crj Internet Security Systems 64-bit (NX) http://www.iss.net When you use this program, you may receive a Stop error that causes the program to quit.
BootSkin All Stardock 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.stardock.com When you restart your computer during the Windows XP SP2 Setup program, a Stop error occurs. For more information, see the following Microsoft Knowledge Base article: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[ln];873159.
Command Antivirus 4.9 Authentium 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.authentium.com This program does not start.
Encyclopedia Britannica 2000 Deluxe 1 Encyclopedia Britannica 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.encyclopediabritannica.com Java rendering does not function after you install this program.
eTrust EZ Armor 1 Computer Associates 64-bit (NX) http://www.ca.com The EZ Firewall part of this program generates a Stop error during installation.
Freedom Force 1 Electronic Arts 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.ea.com When you start the program, a message appears that points you to the following EA Web site: http://techsupport.ea.com.
Kaspersky Anti-Virus (German) 5 Kaspersky Labs 64-bit (NX) http://www.kaspersky.com Real-time scanning does not work.
Live Motion 1 Adobe 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.adobe.com This program displays various errors that prevent typical operation.
MapSend DirectRoute 1.0 Magellan 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.magellangps.com When you start the program, a message appears that points you to the following Web site: http://www.magellangps.com/en/support.
MPEGcraft DVD All Canopus 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) When you try to save an MPEG file, you receive a "Failed to Edit" error, and the file cannot be saved.
NBA LIVE 2000 1 Electronic Arts 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.ea.com This program does not start in certain systems.
NOD32 for Microsoft Windows 6.09 Eset 64-bit (NX) http://www.eset.com When this program is started, all network connectivity is lost.
Norman Personal Firewall 1.4 Norman 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.norman.com Norman Personal Firewall Assistant will not start.
Norman Personal Firewall 1.4 Norman 64-bit (NX) After this program installs and restarts, the desktop does not load correctly
Norton AntiVirus 2003 Symantec 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.symantec.com At system startup, Scheduled Tasks in Norton AntiVirus 2003 does not automatically scan.
Norton SystemWorks 2003 - GoBack Personal Edition 2003 Symantec 64-bit (NX) http://www.symantec.com If you install this program, you receive the "DRIVER_OR_IRQ_NOT_EQUAL" error every time your computer starts.
Norton SystemWorks 2004 - GoBack32 2004 Symantec 64-bit (NX) http://www.symantec.com If you install this program, you receive the "DRIVER_OR_IRQ_NOT_EQUAL" error every time your computer starts.
OmniPage Pro 11 ScanSoft 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.scansoft.com When you remove this program, the uninstall program does not finish.
Outpost Firewall 2.1 Agnitum 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.agnitum.com When you run this program, you may receive a Stop error and have to restart your computer.
PaperPort Deluxe 8 ScanSoft 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.scansoft.com Setup or uninstall programs do not finish.
Pinnacle Studio 9 Pinnacle Systems 64-bit (NX) http://www.pinnaclesys.com If you install this program, you receive a "Data Execution Prevention" error whenever an MPEG file is accessed.
Rational ClearCase 2003 IBM 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.ibm.com When you restart your computer during the Windows XP SP2 Setup program, a Stop error occurs.
Roboword Pro (Japanese) 6 TechnoCraft 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.technocraft.co.jp/english/pagehelp.html When you use the Search Station tool, this program closes prematurely.
Semagic 1.3.9.6 Live Journal 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.livejournal.com This program quits after you enter logon information.
Style XP 2 TGTSoft 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.tgtsoft.com An updated version of this program can be found on the TGTSoft Web site.
Virtual PC 2004 Microsoft 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.microsoft.com When you run a Windows XP SP2 image, you may receive a program error after you type "CMD" in the address bar.
VirusSecurity 2004 (Japanese) 2004 Sourcenext 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.sourcenext.com Real Time Monitor does not start.
Window-Eyes Professional 4.2 GW Micro 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.gwmicro.com Multiple error messages occur during program installation. Visit the GW Micro Web site for information about an upgraded version of the program.
WinRoute Pro 4.25 Kerio 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.kerio.com When you start this program, a message appears that points you to the following Web site: http://www.kerio.com.
WordPerfect Office 11 Corel 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.corel.com WordPerfect Office Update cannot update the program.
Yahoo Instant Messenger 6 Yahoo 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.yahoo.com You cannot download and install Yahoo Instant Messenger by using Yahoo's ActiveX controls.
ZoneAlarm 3.7 Zone Labs 64-bit (NX) http://www.zonelabs.com If you install this program, you receive a "PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA" error every time your computer starts.
ZoneAlarm 4 Zone Labs 64-bit (NX) http://www.zonelabs.com If you install this program, you receive a Stop error every time your computer starts.
ZoneAlarm 4.5x Zone Labs 64-bit (NX) http://www.zonelabs.com This program does not install. If you try to install it, you receive an "8e" Stop error every time your computer starts.
ZoneAlarm 5.0.590 Zone Labs 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.zonelabs.com When you try to remove ZoneAlarm, you receive a Stop error message or your computer restarts before the uninstall program finishes.

The information in this article applies to:
a.. Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (SP2)
b.. Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 (SP2)
Last Reviewed: 8/19/2004 (7.0)
Keywords: kbtshoot kbprb kbinfo KB884130

Program Vendor Ports Default exception Notes
Visual Studio .NET Microsoft See the documentation See the documentation Needed only for Remote DCOM debugging
SQL Microsoft Dynamically assigned ports for RPC and DCOM Needed only for remote debugging
Backup Exec 9 Veritas 10000 C:
\Program Files
\Veritas
\Backup Exec
\RANT32
\beremote.exe Needed only to back up a client from a server
Ghost Server Corporate Edition 7.5 Symantec 139-TCP-NetBIOS Session Service; 445-TCP-SMB over TCP; 137-UDP-NetBIOS Name Service; 138-UDP-NetBIOS Datagram Service See the documentation Needed to push down a ghost client
Symantec AntiVirus Corporate Edition 8.0 Symantec File and Printer Sharing Checking the "Allow file and printer sharing" check box opens these ports: UDP 137, 138; TCP 139, 445. Needed to install client
SMS 2003 Server Microsoft Enable File and Printer Sharing ports See the documentation Needed to view Windows XP SP2 Client Event Viewer
Cute FTP 5.0 XP GlobalSCAPE 21 or FTP server See the documentation Needed to FTP in to a Windows XP SP2-based computer
Exceed 7.0, 8.0 Hummingbird 21 or FTP server See the documentation Needed so that FTP for Windows Explorer can connect to remote computers
KEA! 340 5.1 Attachmate 23 or 'Telnet server' See the documentation Needed to establish Telnet session to remote host
WRQ Reflection X 10 and 11 WRQ 23 or 'Telnet server' See the documentation Needed to establish Telnet session to remote host
Reflection for IBM 9, 9.03, 10 and Reflection X 10 and 11 WRQ 21 or FTP server See the documentation Needed so that FTP client can connect to remote computers
Smarterm Office 10 and Smarterm 11 Esker Software 23 or 'Telnet server' See the documentation Needed to establish Telnet session to remote host
Smarterm Office 10 and Smarterm 11 Esker Software 21 or FTP server See the documentation Needed so that the FTP tool can connect to remote computers
ViewNow 1.05 Netmanage FTP server or 21 See the documentation Needed so that FTP tool can connect to remote computers
ViewNow 1.0 and 1.05 Netmanage 6000 (TCP/IP) and 177 (UDP) See the documentation Needed to establish X-Windows Sessions
ViewNow 1 or 1.05 Netmanage Telnet Server or 23 See the documentation Needed to establish Telnet session to remote host
Microsoft Operations Manager 2000 SP1 Microsoft Enable ICMP echo request, File and Printer Sharing and UDP See the documentation Needed to push MOM Agent onto a Windows XP SP2-based client that has Windows Firewall enabled
AutoCAD 2000, 2002, 2004 Autodesk 21 See the documentation Needed to browse projects using FTP viewer (File Open dialog) when remote FTP host has Windows Firewall enabled.
Backup Exec 9.1.4691 Veritas See the documentation %Program Files%
\Veritas
\Backup Exec
\RANT
\beremote.exe Needed to back up Windows XP SP2-based client
Windows Scanner and Camera Wizard Xerox Network Scanners 21 See the documentation Needed so that the Scanner and Camera Wizard starts and the scanned images are available for the user to access.
ColdFusion MX Server Edition 6 Macromedia TCP (by default, 8500) See the documentation Needed to allow remote access as Web server
CA ARCserve Computer Associates 137-UDP-NetBIOS Name Service; 138-UDP-NetBIOS Datagram Service; 139-TCP-NetBIOS Session Service; 704-UDP; 1478-UDP-MS-sna-base; 1900-UDP-SSDP; 6050-TCP-ARCserve Service; 6051-TCP-ARCserve Service See the documentation Needed for remote installs, licensing, and client communications
EDM File System Agent 4.0 EMC 3895 See the documentation Needed to install EDM client from server to Windows XP SP2
Microsoft Systems Management Server 2003 Microsoft TCP:2701 %WINDIR%
\System32
\CCM
\CLICOMP
\RemCtrl
\Wuser32.exe Needed so that Remote Tool can remote control a Windows XP SP2-based client computer
Aelita ERdisk for Active Directory 6.7 Quest Software See the documentation File and Printer Sharing Needed to contact a remote computer
Hummingbird Host Explorer 8 Hummingbird 23 TCP and 21 TCP See the documentation Needed to Telnet in to a Windows XP SP2-based client
BV-Admin Mobile Bind View See the documentation File and Printer Sharing Needed to contact a remote computer
SQL 2000a Microsoft 1433 and 1434 See the documentation Needed to connect to remote computer
Backup Exec 8.6.1 Needed so that the server can push remote agent to a Windows XP SP2-based client
Microsoft SNA 4.0 SP3 Microsoft See documentation File and Printer Sharing Needed to see a Windows XP SP2-based client
Extra! Personal Client 6.5 and 6.7 Attachmate Telnet Server or port 23 See the documentation Needed to establish Telnet session to remote host
Extra! Enterprise 2000 Attachmate Telnet Server or port 23 See the documentation Needed to establish Telnet session to remote host
Extra! Bundle for TCP/IP 6.6 Attachmate Telnet Server or port 23 See the documentation Needed to establish Telnet session to remote host
Volume Manager 3.1 Veritas 2148 C:
\Progam Files
\Veritas
\Veritas Object Bus
\Bin
\vxsvc.exe Needed to connect to a Windows XP SP2-based client
BMC Patrol for Windows 2000 BMC Software On the Windows XP SP2-based (client) computer: TCP ports 3181, 10128 and 25; UDP ports 3181, 10128 and 25 \\<Server Name>
\BMC Software
\Patrol 3-4
\Best1
\6.5.00
\bgs
\bin
\Best1CollectGroup.exe Needed to allow connection of server to client computer. Make sure that you have shared the BMC Patrol file on the server before you try to move to the default exception path on the client.
eTrust 6.0.100 Computer Associates File and Printer Sharing ports and ICMP echo request and port TCP 42510 See the documentation Needed to remote install to Windows XP SP2
NetShield 4.5 McAfee Security See the documentation File and Printer sharing Needed to Remote Connect to a Windows XP SP2-based client
Computer Associates eTrust 7.0 Computer Associates Add the File and Printer Sharing ports and ICMP echo request See the documentation Needed so that a Windows Server 2003 eTrust 7.0 server can remotely test logon to a Windows XP SP2-based client
Computer Associates eTrust 7.0 Needed so that a Windows Server 2003 eTrust 7.0 server can remotely install the client eTrust software on Windows XP SP2-based computers. Resolved by setting the following to 0 and then rebooting: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE
\SOFTWARE
\Policies
\Microsoft
\Windows NT
\RPC
\RestrictRemoteClients (DWORD value)
Retrospect Dantz 497 497 Visit http://www.dantz.com/en/support/kbase.dtml?id=28189
Symantec Ghost Corporate Edition 7.5, 8.0, and 8.2 Symantec In File and Printer Sharing, select the Allow file and printer sharing check box that opens UPD ports 137 and 138, and TCP port 139 and 445 Needed to do a remote client install
Symantec AntiVirus Corporate Edition 8.x and 9.x Symantec Open IP (UDP) ports 2967 and 33345 for IPX. In addition, open ports 38293, 38037, and 38292 for UDP traffic. In File and Printer Sharing, select the Allow file and printer sharing check box that opens UPD ports 137 and 138, and TCP ports 139 and 445 Visit http://www.symantec.com/techsupp/
enterprise/sp2/faq.html

Games
Game Vendor Ports Default exception
Chess Advantage III: Lego Chess Encore See the documentation See the documentation
Need for Speed Hot Pursuit 2 EA Games See the documentation See the documentation
Unreal Tournament 2003 Atari See the documentation See the documentation
Unreal Tournament Game of the Year Edition Atari See the documentation See the documentation
Midnight Outlaw: Illegal Street Drag 1.0 VALUSoft See the documentation Defwatch.exe
Scrabble 3.0 Atari See the documentation See the documentation
Star Trek StarFleet Command III 1.0 Activision See the documentation See the documentation

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Heres some post today

Post by ***=W=***
Good morning;
Last night Microsoft rolled out the production version of
SP2 available to me and I downloaded to both my machines.
1. Compaq laptop, PIII 1gh with 320ram and 20gb hd.
Running XP Pro.
2. Desktop, P4 2.8gh with 1,024 ram and 240gb hd. Running
XP Pro
Previously, I installed the beta version in the laptop and
encountered problems when connecting my wireless mouse. I
changed Hard Drives and did a complete re-install and
waited for SP2 production.
Both machines were running programmable mice. The laptop
was an 8 button wireless USB connect and the desktop was a
6 button wired USB connect. Both operated perfectly with
SP1.
After downloading SP2 in both machines, both nmice can not
be used because it throws the OS into a startup loop, in
which it gets as far as the log on in window and re-starts
each time until I disconnect the mice. I have a strong
feeling that these are in direct conflict with another
program that runs at start up. But I do not know which.
The only other program I can see in the start up that was
not in both machines before is the "Security Alert Icon,
SP2". Could this be causing the problem. If so, how do I
disable it at start up. I have temporarily disabled the
Windows firewall but that does not help.
Again both programmable mice were working perfectly fine
with SP1 and I have not added any other programs since the
download to SP2. A regular 5 button mouse works with both
but using this, I hacve lost a lot of valuable short cuts
by not being able to use the programmable ones.
Everything else seems to be operating smoothly on both
machines.
Has anyone else encountered a similar issue?
Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Phil
Hi.. I still cannot get SP2 Internet Explyer to work right. I think I
am not stating the problem right. It appears to NOT be a pop window
blocker problem. I have shut off pop windows blocking. Change the
security and even shut off the security. yet when I am within a window
as example windows update web site. When I try to open say the latest
drivers "details" window what I get is a smaller wondow pops up.. and
for a second or so the mouse will turn to busy.. yet it then stops
being busy the smaller window is open yet it remains totally blank. I
loaded up Mozzila's Firefox browser just to see and it runs perfect
wintin winsxp SP2. I know ir feel it must be a security issue yet as
stated even with the firewall off I get the same rslts.. any help
would be apprciated or any sites that might have the answer..
thanks
Dan
Programs That May Behave Differently in Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;884130
Some Programs Seem to Stop Working After You Install Windows XP
Service Pack 2
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=842242
Troubleshooting Windows Firewall Settings in Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=875357
How to troubleshoot problems accessing secure Web pages with Internet
Explorer 6 Service Pack 2
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;870700
You receive a "Data Execution Prevention" error message in Windows XP
Service Pack 2
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=875351#appliesto
8/12/2004 873182 You receive an "Application is terminating" error
message when you view the Quicken Deluxe 2001 privacy statement on a
computer that is running Windows XP Service Pack 2
(873182) - Describes a problem where you receive an "Abnormal program
termination" error message when you run Quicken Deluxe 2001 on a
Windows XP SP2-based computer.
8/12/2004 842844 How to install Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) by
using Systems Management Server
(842844) - Describes how to use Systems Management Server to deploy
Windows XP Service Pack 2 to your Windows XP clients.
8/12/2004 297942 Service redirection does not apply to Internet
Connection Firewall
(297942) - In Windows XP, the Internet Connection Firewall (ICF)
(called Windows Firewall (WF) in Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2)) and
Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) features share a common interface
for configuring services to which Internet users can gain...
8/12/2004 841375 A message stating that an instance of SQL Server is
vulnerable to virus attacks is logged in the application event log
when you install SQL Server 2000 or MSDE 2000 on a computer that is
running Windows XP Service Pack 2
(841375) - When you install SQL Server 2000 SP2 or MSDE 2000 SP2 or
earlier versions on computers that are running Windows XP SP2, you
must install the latest SQL Server 2000 service pack or the latest
MSDE 2000 service pack to help protect your computer.
8/12/2004 842907 SQL Server CE client programs may not be able to
connect to IIS on computers that are running Windows XP SP2
(842907) - Describes a problem that may occur when your SQL Server CE
client program may not be able to connect to IIS on computers that
are running Windows XP SP2. Includes a resolution for the problem.
8/7/2004 841893 The Enterprise Single Sign-On Service and associated
BizTalk Server 2004 services fail after you install Windows XP
Service Pack 2 (SP2)
(841893) - Explains why you cannot start the Enterprise Single Sign-On
Service or the BizTalk Server Application Service after you install
Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) on a computer that is running BizTalk
Server 2004.
8/13/2004 841549 How to enable ports on Windows XP SP2 for Analysis
Services and SQL Server 7.0 OLAP Services
(841549) - Describes how to configure Windows Firewall in Windows XP
SP2 to permit SQL Server 2000 Analysis Services or SQL Server 7.0
OLAP Services to communicate by using the network.
8/12/2004 841624 The SMS Administrator console cannot display
Windows Event Viewer, Windows Diagnostics or Windows Performance
Monitor for Windows XP Service Pack 2 clients
(841624) - Describes an issue where you cannot use the SMS
Administrator console to view some Windows XP Professional SP2 tools.
8/13/2004 837651 USB audio/video devices do not resume from standby
on some portable computers
(837651) - Describes a problem that occurs on some portable computer
systems. Some systems do not resume from standby or from hybernate
when a USB kernel streaming device is installed. Problem is resolved
in Windows XP SP2. Visit the Windows Update Web site.
8/13/2004 839278 BUG: The changes in a remote subscriber are not
updated to the publisher for a queued updating replication that uses
Message Queuing on a computer that is running Windows XP Service Pack
2 (839278) - After installing Windows XP SP2, the changes that are
made in a remote subscriber are not updated to the publisher if
Message Queuing is used for the queued updating publication. This
article discusses a workaround that resolves this problem.
8/13/2004 839018 The NET SEND command may not work correctly on a
computer that is running Windows XP Service Pack 2
(839018) - By default, the NET SEND command fails when either the
source or the destination computer is running Windows XP Service Pack
2 (SP2). This article discusses a workaround for this problem.
13) 8/12/2004 833977 How to turn on remote debugging in Windows XP
Service Pack 2
(833977) - This step-by-step article describes how to turn on remote
debugging with the new Internet Connection Firewall (ICF) for
Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2). back to the top Turn on
remote debugging To turn on remote debugging in Windows XP SP2,...
1 7/27/2004 818894 Changes to Increase the Number of Open Files in
Windows 2000 SP2 and Later
(818894) - This article describes a memory management change that was
introduced in Windows 2000 Service Pack 2 (SP2) that increases the
scalability and performance of Windows. This change is included in
all later versions of Windows 2000, Microsoft Windows XP,...
8/13/2004 832860 Windows XP SP2 clients cannot use Background
Intelligent Transfer Service to download files from SMS 2003
(832860) - After you upgrade your Microsoft Windows XP-based client
computer to Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2), the Systems Management
Server (SMS) 2003 Advanced Client may not be able to download package
files when it uses Background Intelligent Transfer...
8/11/2004 832490 Security enhancements in Microsoft Windows XP
Service Pack 2
(832490) - With Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2), Microsoft
is introducing a set of security technologies that will help to
improve Windows XP-based computers' ability to withstand malicious
attacks from viruses and worms. The technologies enhance the...
8/8/2004 321924 INFO: MSXML 3.0 Service Pack 2 Installs Only in
Replace Mode
(321924) - Microsoft XML (MSXML) 3.0 Service Pack 2 (SP2), or later
service pack, installs only in replace mode. This release is also
included with Microsoft Windows XP, Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0,
and Microsoft Data Access Components (MDAC) 2.7. Replace...
Chad Harris

Carol

2004-08-28 04:34:58 UTC

Post by ***=W=***
SP2 PROBLEMS..................................NOT!
I am noticing since I installed the SP2 service pack my computer zips
along faster than it ever has.

Because you never knew how to configure your browser and it is
now done for you.

Post by ***=W=***
I am also noticing that by default in outlook express images in sigs
are not downloaded unless I want to

download them.

Post by Trai' La' Trash
Gee thought you were a pc expert? I been viewing >messages in plain
text for years thats why I don't care about html post.

Post by ***=W=***
Pretty cool if you ask me.

Nobody asked you ;)

Post by ***=W=***
For those who tried to tell me my computer would explode, or that the
SP2 was the worst thing ever I knew it was a bunch of BS because

You lie like a cheap rug Cryler. NOBODY posted that it would
explode or that it was the worst thing ever.
It was posted to wait to install it. NOT BEING EMPLOYED you
wouldn't care but for those who use thier PC for WORK care
when thier PC goes down.
You wouldn't be bragging if you were like one of my customers who has
AutoCad on his pc and put SP2 in and now it will not boot.

And if he was running AutoCAD on a work related computer, there goes his
productivety ($$$'s) for the day. My father worked for Sperry-Univac (now
UNYSIS), as a subcontracter with Leeds and Northrup. Their systems depend on
AutoCAD. and they would be _sunk_ without it. SP2 was delayed, and in Beta
for so long, because it was full of bugs. Most have been fixed, but it is
inconceivable that all would be. That's the reason to wait, so that you can
apply any additional patches or fixits and not have your PC disabled while
waiting. If people have been getting all the critical updates from MSN all
along, there really isn't a need to rush to get SP2.

Post by Trai' La' Trash
So you got lucky who cares? No big deal if you lost your porn collection
because thats all you have and will ever have.

:-D

Post by ***=W=***
I know people who have had the beta version running for months
and had zero problems.

You know Jack! And that's another lie.
The first non public beta releases were full of problems and this
release is still causing people problems so don't try to speak for

everyone.

Post by Trai' La' Trash
Microsoft even admits it on thier website and that's were this info comes from.
But I guess you know more than them.

But, Dave! Tyliar is an expert on everything. He's the guy who keeps having
'issues' with his PC too. :-P

Carol

The following table lists programs that are known to experience a loss of
functionality when they run on a Windows XP SP2-based computer.

Program name Program version Program vendor Processor typeWeb siteIssue or
symptom
AOL Toolbar 1.13.2 AOL 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.aol.comThe
Information Bar blocks access to the tool's edit boxes.
BitDefender 7.2 SOFTWIN 64-bit (NX) http://www.bitdefender.comThe program
does not install.
BitDefender AntiSpam 7 SOFTWIN 64-bit (NX) http://www.bitdefender.comThe
program does not install.
BlackICE 3.6 crj Internet Security Systems 64-bit (NX)
http://www.iss.netWhen you use this program, you may receive a Stop error
that causes the program to quit.
BootSkin All Stardock 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.stardock.comWhen you
restart your computer during the Windows XP SP2 Setup program, a Stop error
occurs. For more information, see the following Microsoft Knowledge Base
article: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[ln];873159.
Command Antivirus 4.9 Authentium 32-bit and 64-bit (NX)
http://www.authentium.comThis program does not start.
Encyclopedia Britannica 2000 Deluxe 1 Encyclopedia Britannica 32-bit and
64-bit (NX) http://www.encyclopediabritannica.comJava rendering does not
function after you install this program.
eTrust EZ Armor 1 Computer Associates 64-bit (NX) http://www.ca.comThe EZ
Firewall part of this program generates a Stop error during installation.
Freedom Force 1 Electronic Arts 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.ea.comWhen
you start the program, a message appears that points you to the following EA
Web site: http://techsupport.ea.com.
Kaspersky Anti-Virus (German) 5 Kaspersky Labs64-bit (NX)
http://www.kaspersky.comReal-time scanning does not work.
Live Motion 1 Adobe 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.adobe.comThis program
displays various errors that prevent typical operation.
MapSend DirectRoute 1.0 Magellan 32-bit and 64-bit (NX)
http://www.magellangps.comWhen you start the program, a message appears that
points you to the following Web site: http://www.magellangps.com/en/support.
MPEGcraft DVD All Canopus 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) When you try to save an
MPEG file, you receive a "Failed to Edit" error, and the file cannot be
saved.
NBA LIVE 2000 1 Electronic Arts 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.ea.comThis
program does not start in certain systems.
NOD32 for Microsoft Windows 6.09 Eset 64-bit (NX) http://www.eset.comWhen
this program is started, all network connectivity is lost.
Norman Personal Firewall 1.4 Norman 32-bit and 64-bit (NX)
http://www.norman.comNorman Personal Firewall Assistant will not start.
Norman Personal Firewall1.4 Norman 64-bit (NX) After this program installs
and restarts, the desktop does not load correctly
Norton AntiVirus 2003 Symantec 32-bit and 64-bit (NX)
http://www.symantec.comAt system startup, Scheduled Tasks in Norton
AntiVirus 2003 does not automatically scan.
Norton SystemWorks 2003 - GoBack Personal Edition 2003 Symantec 64-bit (NX)
http://www.symantec.comIf you install this program, you receive the
"DRIVER_OR_IRQ_NOT_EQUAL" error every time your computer starts.
Norton SystemWorks 2004 - GoBack32 2004 Symantec 64-bit (NX)
http://www.symantec.comIf you install this program, you receive the
"DRIVER_OR_IRQ_NOT_EQUAL" error every time your computer starts.
OmniPage Pro 11 ScanSoft 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.scansoft.comWhen
you remove this program, the uninstall program does not finish.
Outpost Firewall 2.1 Agnitum 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.agnitum.com
When you run this program, you may receive a Stop error and have to restart
your computer.
PaperPort Deluxe 8 ScanSoft 32-bit and 64-bit (NX)
http://www.scansoft.comSetup or uninstall programs do not finish.
Pinnacle Studio 9 Pinnacle Systems64-bit (NX) http://www.pinnaclesys.comIf
you install this program, you receive a "Data Execution Prevention" error
whenever an MPEG file is accessed.
Rational ClearCase 2003 IBM 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.ibm.comWhen
you restart your computer during the Windows XP SP2 Setup program, a Stop
error occurs.
Roboword Pro (Japanese) 6 TechnoCraft 32-bit and 64-bit (NX)
http://www.technocraft.co.jp/english/pagehelp.htmlWhen you use the Search
Station tool, this program closes prematurely.
Semagic 1.3.9.6 Live Journal 32-bit and 64-bit (NX)
http://www.livejournal.comThis program quits after you enter logon
information.
Style XP 2 TGTSoft 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.tgtsoft.comAn updated
version of this program can be found on the TGTSoft Web site.
Virtual PC 2004 Microsoft 32-bit and 64-bit (NX)
http://www.microsoft.comWhen you run a Windows XP SP2 image, you may receive
a program error after you type "CMD" in the address bar.
VirusSecurity 2004 (Japanese)2004 Sourcenext 32-bit and 64-bit (NX)
http://www.sourcenext.comReal Time Monitor does not start.
Window-Eyes Professional 4.2 GW Micro 32-bit and 64-bit (NX)
http://www.gwmicro.comMultiple error messages occur during program
installation. Visit the GW Micro Web site for information about an upgraded
version of the program.
WinRoute Pro4.25 Kerio 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.kerio.comWhen you
start this program, a message appears that points you to the following Web
site: http://www.kerio.com.
WordPerfect Office 11 Corel 32-bit and 64-bit (NX)
http://www.corel.comWordPerfect Office Update cannot update the program.
Yahoo Instant Messenger 6 Yahoo 32-bit and 64-bit (NX)
http://www.yahoo.comYou cannot download and install Yahoo Instant Messenger
by using Yahoo's ActiveX controls.
ZoneAlarm 3.7 Zone Labs 64-bit (NX) http://www.zonelabs.comIf you install
this program, you receive a "PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA" error every time
your computer starts.
ZoneAlarm 4 Zone Labs 64-bit (NX) http://www.zonelabs.comIf you install this
program, you receive a Stop error every time your computer starts.
ZoneAlarm 4.5x Zone Labs 64-bit (NX) http://www.zonelabs.comThis program
does not install. If you try to install it, you receive an "8e" Stop error
every time your computer starts.
ZoneAlarm 5.0.590 Zone Labs 32-bit and 64-bit (NX)
http://www.zonelabs.comWhen you try to remove ZoneAlarm, you receive a Stop
error message or your computer restarts before the uninstall program
finishes.

The information in this article applies to:
Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (SP2)
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 (SP2)
Last Reviewed:8/19/2004 (7.0)
Keywords:kbtshoot kbprb kbinfo KB884130

ProgramVendorPortsDefault exceptionNotes
Visual Studio .NETMicrosoft See the documentationSee the documentationNeeded
only for Remote DCOM debugging
SQLMicrosoft Dynamically assigned ports for RPC and DCOM Needed only for
remote debugging
Backup Exec 9Veritas 10000 C:
\Program Files
\Veritas
\Backup Exec
\RANT32
\beremote.exe Needed only to back up a client from a server
Ghost Server Corporate Edition 7.5Symantec139-TCP-NetBIOS Session Service;
445-TCP-SMB over TCP; 137-UDP-NetBIOS Name Service; 138-UDP-NetBIOS Datagram
Service See the documentationNeeded to push down a ghost client
Symantec AntiVirus Corporate Edition 8.0Symantec File and Printer
SharingChecking the "Allow file and printer sharing" check box opens these
ports: UDP 137, 138; TCP 139, 445. Needed to install client
SMS 2003 ServerMicrosoft Enable File and Printer Sharing ports See the
documentationNeeded to view Windows XP SP2 Client Event Viewer
Cute FTP 5.0 XPGlobalSCAPE21 or FTP server See the documentationNeeded to
FTP in to a Windows XP SP2-based computer
Exceed 7.0, 8.0Hummingbird21 or FTP server See the documentationNeeded so
that FTP for Windows Explorer can connect to remote computers
KEA! 340 5.1Attachmate23 or 'Telnet server' See the documentationNeeded to
establish Telnet session to remote host
WRQ Reflection X 10 and 11WRQ23 or 'Telnet server' See the
documentationNeeded to establish Telnet session to remote host
Reflection for IBM 9, 9.03, 10 and Reflection X 10 and 11WRQ21 or FTP server
See the documentationNeeded so that FTP client can connect to remote
computers
Smarterm Office 10 and Smarterm 11Esker Software23 or 'Telnet server' See
the documentationNeeded to establish Telnet session to remote host
Smarterm Office 10 and Smarterm 11Esker Software21 or FTP server See the
documentationNeeded so that the FTP tool can connect to remote computers
ViewNow 1.05NetmanageFTP server or 21 See the documentationNeeded so that
FTP tool can connect to remote computers
ViewNow 1.0 and 1.05Netmanage6000 (TCP/IP) and 177 (UDP) See the
documentationNeeded to establish X-Windows Sessions
ViewNow 1 or 1.05NetmanageTelnet Server or 23 See the documentationNeeded to
establish Telnet session to remote host
Microsoft Operations Manager 2000 SP1Microsoft Enable ICMP echo request,
File and Printer Sharing and UDP See the documentationNeeded to push MOM
Agent onto a Windows XP SP2-based client that has Windows Firewall enabled
AutoCAD 2000, 2002, 2004Autodesk21 See the documentationNeeded to browse
projects using FTP viewer (File Open dialog) when remote FTP host has
Windows Firewall enabled.
Backup Exec 9.1.4691VeritasSee the documentation%Program Files%
\Veritas
\Backup Exec
\RANT
\beremote.exe Needed to back up Windows XP SP2-based client
Windows Scanner and Camera WizardXerox Network Scanners 21 See the
documentationNeeded so that the Scanner and Camera Wizard starts and the
scanned images are available for the user to access.
ColdFusion MX Server Edition 6MacromediaTCP (by default, 8500) See the
documentationNeeded to allow remote access as Web server
CA ARCserveComputer Associates137-UDP-NetBIOS Name Service; 138-UDP-NetBIOS
Datagram Service; 139-TCP-NetBIOS Session Service; 704-UDP;
1478-UDP-MS-sna-base; 1900-UDP-SSDP; 6050-TCP-ARCserve Service;
6051-TCP-ARCserve Service See the documentationNeeded for remote installs,
licensing, and client communications
EDM File System Agent 4.0EMC3895 See the documentationNeeded to install EDM
client from server to Windows XP SP2
Microsoft Systems Management Server 2003Microsoft TCP:2701 %WINDIR%
\System32
\CCM
\CLICOMP
\RemCtrl
\Wuser32.exe Needed so that Remote Tool can remote control a Windows XP
SP2-based client computer
Aelita ERdisk for Active Directory 6.7Quest SoftwareSee the
documentationFile and Printer Sharing Needed to contact a remote computer
Hummingbird Host Explorer 8Hummingbird23 TCP and 21 TCP See the
documentationNeeded to Telnet in to a Windows XP SP2-based client
BV-Admin MobileBind ViewSee the documentationFile and Printer Sharing Needed
to contact a remote computer
SQL 2000aMicrosoft 1433 and 1434 See the documentationNeeded to connect to
remote computer
Backup Exec 8.6.1Needed so that the server can push remote agent to a
Windows XP SP2-based client
Microsoft SNA 4.0 SP3Microsoft See documentationFile and Printer Sharing
Needed to see a Windows XP SP2-based client
Extra! Personal Client 6.5 and 6.7AttachmateTelnet Server or port 23 See the
documentationNeeded to establish Telnet session to remote host
Extra! Enterprise 2000AttachmateTelnet Server or port 23 See the
documentation Needed to establish Telnet session to remote host
Extra! Bundle for TCP/IP 6.6AttachmateTelnet Server or port 23 See the
documentationNeeded to establish Telnet session to remote host
Volume Manager 3.1Veritas2148 C:
\Progam Files
\Veritas
\Veritas Object Bus
\Bin
\vxsvc.exe Needed to connect to a Windows XP SP2-based client
BMC Patrol for Windows 2000BMC SoftwareOn the Windows XP SP2-based (client)
computer: TCP ports 3181, 10128 and 25; UDP ports 3181, 10128 and 25
\\<Server Name>
\BMC Software
\Patrol 3-4
\Best1
\6.5.00
\bgs
\bin
\Best1CollectGroup.exe Needed to allow connection of server to client
computer. Make sure that you have shared the BMC Patrol file on the server
before you try to move to the default exception path on the client.
eTrust 6.0.100Computer AssociatesFile and Printer Sharing ports and ICMP
echo request and port TCP 42510See the documentationNeeded to remote install
to Windows XP SP2
NetShield 4.5McAfee SecuritySee the documentationFile and Printer sharing
Needed to Remote Connect to a Windows XP SP2-based client
Computer Associates eTrust 7.0Computer AssociatesAdd the File and Printer
Sharing ports and ICMP echo request See the documentationNeeded so that a
Windows Server 2003 eTrust 7.0 server can remotely test logon to a Windows
XP SP2-based client
Computer Associates eTrust 7.0 Needed so that a Windows Server 2003 eTrust
7.0 server can remotely install the client eTrust software on Windows XP
SP2-based computers. Resolved by setting the following to 0 and then
rebooting: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE
\SOFTWARE
\Policies
\Microsoft
\Windows NT
\RPC
\RestrictRemoteClients (DWORD value)
RetrospectDantz 497497Visit
http://www.dantz.com/en/support/kbase.dtml?id=28189
Symantec Ghost Corporate Edition 7.5, 8.0, and 8.2SymantecIn File and
Printer Sharing, select the Allow file and printer sharing check box that
opens UPD ports 137 and 138, and TCP port 139 and 445Needed to do a remote
client install
Symantec AntiVirus Corporate Edition 8.x and 9.xSymantecOpen IP (UDP) ports
2967 and 33345 for IPX. In addition, open ports 38293, 38037, and 38292 for
UDP traffic. In File and Printer Sharing, select the Allow file and printer
sharing check box that opens UPD ports 137 and 138, and TCP ports 139 and
445Visit http://www.symantec.com/techsupp/
enterprise/sp2/faq.html

Games
GameVendorPortsDefault exception
Chess Advantage III: Lego ChessEncore See the documentationSee the
documentation
Need for Speed Hot Pursuit 2 EA GamesSee the documentationSee the
documentation
Unreal Tournament 2003 AtariSee the documentationSee the documentation
Unreal Tournament Game of the Year Edition AtariSee the documentationSee the
documentation
Midnight Outlaw: Illegal Street Drag 1.0 VALUSoftSee the
documentationDefwatch.exe
Scrabble 3.0 AtariSee the documentationSee the documentation
Star Trek StarFleet Command III 1.0 ActivisionSee the documentationSee the
documentation

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Heres some post today

Post by Trai' La' Trash
Good morning;
Last night Microsoft rolled out the production version of
SP2 available to me and I downloaded to both my machines.
1. Compaq laptop, PIII 1gh with 320ram and 20gb hd.
Running XP Pro.
2. Desktop, P4 2.8gh with 1,024 ram and 240gb hd. Running
XP Pro
Previously, I installed the beta version in the laptop and
encountered problems when connecting my wireless mouse. I
changed Hard Drives and did a complete re-install and
waited for SP2 production.
Both machines were running programmable mice. The laptop
was an 8 button wireless USB connect and the desktop was a
6 button wired USB connect. Both operated perfectly with
SP1.
After downloading SP2 in both machines, both nmice can not
be used because it throws the OS into a startup loop, in
which it gets as far as the log on in window and re-starts
each time until I disconnect the mice. I have a strong
feeling that these are in direct conflict with another
program that runs at start up. But I do not know which.
The only other program I can see in the start up that was
not in both machines before is the "Security Alert Icon,
SP2". Could this be causing the problem. If so, how do I
disable it at start up. I have temporarily disabled the
Windows firewall but that does not help.
Again both programmable mice were working perfectly fine
with SP1 and I have not added any other programs since the
download to SP2. A regular 5 button mouse works with both
but using this, I hacve lost a lot of valuable short cuts
by not being able to use the programmable ones.
Everything else seems to be operating smoothly on both
machines.
Has anyone else encountered a similar issue?
Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Phil
Hi.. I still cannot get SP2 Internet Explyer to work right. I think I
am not stating the problem right. It appears to NOT be a pop window
blocker problem. I have shut off pop windows blocking. Change the
security and even shut off the security. yet when I am within a window
as example windows update web site. When I try to open say the latest
drivers "details" window what I get is a smaller wondow pops up.. and
for a second or so the mouse will turn to busy.. yet it then stops
being busy the smaller window is open yet it remains totally blank. I
loaded up Mozzila's Firefox browser just to see and it runs perfect
wintin winsxp SP2. I know ir feel it must be a security issue yet as
stated even with the firewall off I get the same rslts.. any help
would be apprciated or any sites that might have the answer..
thanks
Dan
Programs That May Behave Differently in Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;884130
Some Programs Seem to Stop Working After You Install Windows XP
Service Pack 2
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=842242
Troubleshooting Windows Firewall Settings in Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=875357
How to troubleshoot problems accessing secure Web pages with Internet
Explorer 6 Service Pack 2
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;870700
You receive a "Data Execution Prevention" error message in Windows XP
Service Pack 2
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=875351#appliesto
8/12/2004 873182 You receive an "Application is terminating" error
message when you view the Quicken Deluxe 2001 privacy statement on a
computer that is running Windows XP Service Pack 2
(873182) - Describes a problem where you receive an "Abnormal program
termination" error message when you run Quicken Deluxe 2001 on a
Windows XP SP2-based computer.
8/12/2004 842844 How to install Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) by
using Systems Management Server
(842844) - Describes how to use Systems Management Server to deploy
Windows XP Service Pack 2 to your Windows XP clients.
8/12/2004 297942 Service redirection does not apply to Internet
Connection Firewall
(297942) - In Windows XP, the Internet Connection Firewall (ICF)
(called Windows Firewall (WF) in Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2)) and
Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) features share a common interface
for configuring services to which Internet users can gain...
8/12/2004 841375 A message stating that an instance of SQL Server is
vulnerable to virus attacks is logged in the application event log
when you install SQL Server 2000 or MSDE 2000 on a computer that is
running Windows XP Service Pack 2
(841375) - When you install SQL Server 2000 SP2 or MSDE 2000 SP2 or
earlier versions on computers that are running Windows XP SP2, you
must install the latest SQL Server 2000 service pack or the latest
MSDE 2000 service pack to help protect your computer.
8/12/2004 842907 SQL Server CE client programs may not be able to
connect to IIS on computers that are running Windows XP SP2
(842907) - Describes a problem that may occur when your SQL Server CE
client program may not be able to connect to IIS on computers that
are running Windows XP SP2. Includes a resolution for the problem.
8/7/2004 841893 The Enterprise Single Sign-On Service and associated
BizTalk Server 2004 services fail after you install Windows XP
Service Pack 2 (SP2)
(841893) - Explains why you cannot start the Enterprise Single Sign-On
Service or the BizTalk Server Application Service after you install
Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) on a computer that is running BizTalk
Server 2004.
8/13/2004 841549 How to enable ports on Windows XP SP2 for Analysis
Services and SQL Server 7.0 OLAP Services
(841549) - Describes how to configure Windows Firewall in Windows XP
SP2 to permit SQL Server 2000 Analysis Services or SQL Server 7.0
OLAP Services to communicate by using the network.
8/12/2004 841624 The SMS Administrator console cannot display
Windows Event Viewer, Windows Diagnostics or Windows Performance
Monitor for Windows XP Service Pack 2 clients
(841624) - Describes an issue where you cannot use the SMS
Administrator console to view some Windows XP Professional SP2 tools.
8/13/2004 837651 USB audio/video devices do not resume from standby
on some portable computers
(837651) - Describes a problem that occurs on some portable computer
systems. Some systems do not resume from standby or from hybernate
when a USB kernel streaming device is installed. Problem is resolved
in Windows XP SP2. Visit the Windows Update Web site.
8/13/2004 839278 BUG: The changes in a remote subscriber are not
updated to the publisher for a queued updating replication that uses
Message Queuing on a computer that is running Windows XP Service Pack
2 (839278) - After installing Windows XP SP2, the changes that are
made in a remote subscriber are not updated to the publisher if
Message Queuing is used for the queued updating publication. This
article discusses a workaround that resolves this problem.
8/13/2004 839018 The NET SEND command may not work correctly on a
computer that is running Windows XP Service Pack 2
(839018) - By default, the NET SEND command fails when either the
source or the destination computer is running Windows XP Service Pack
2 (SP2). This article discusses a workaround for this problem.
13) 8/12/2004 833977 How to turn on remote debugging in Windows XP
Service Pack 2
(833977) - This step-by-step article describes how to turn on remote
debugging with the new Internet Connection Firewall (ICF) for
Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2). back to the top Turn on
remote debugging To turn on remote debugging in Windows XP SP2,...
1 7/27/2004 818894 Changes to Increase the Number of Open Files in
Windows 2000 SP2 and Later
(818894) - This article describes a memory management change that was
introduced in Windows 2000 Service Pack 2 (SP2) that increases the
scalability and performance of Windows. This change is included in
all later versions of Windows 2000, Microsoft Windows XP,...
8/13/2004 832860 Windows XP SP2 clients cannot use Background
Intelligent Transfer Service to download files from SMS 2003
(832860) - After you upgrade your Microsoft Windows XP-based client
computer to Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2), the Systems Management
Server (SMS) 2003 Advanced Client may not be able to download package
files when it uses Background Intelligent Transfer...
8/11/2004 832490 Security enhancements in Microsoft Windows XP
Service Pack 2
(832490) - With Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2), Microsoft
is introducing a set of security technologies that will help to
improve Windows XP-based computers' ability to withstand malicious
attacks from viruses and worms. The technologies enhance the...
8/8/2004 321924 INFO: MSXML 3.0 Service Pack 2 Installs Only in
Replace Mode
(321924) - Microsoft XML (MSXML) 3.0 Service Pack 2 (SP2), or later
service pack, installs only in replace mode. This release is also
included with Microsoft Windows XP, Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0,
and Microsoft Data Access Components (MDAC) 2.7. Replace...
Chad Harris

Carol

2004-08-28 04:19:44 UTC

"***=W=***" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:udRXc.48377$***@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
SP2 PROBLEMS..................................NOT!

Post by ***=W=***
I am noticing since I installed the SP2 service pack my computer zips
along faster than it ever has.

And others report that theirs do not zip along at all, as in, they can't get
it to function. Just go read the various microsoft.public newsgroups and
alt.computer. I'll still wait for the disk, it's been ordered and will be
here in a few weeks. I'm not one to hurry on this stuff until I am fully
informed of the consequences. I may have *no* problems, or I may several. I
don't have any of the effected software, so far.

Post by ***=W=***
I am also noticing that by default in outlook express images in sigs
are not downloaded unless I want to download them.

I already have that feature, it's in my SystemSuite utilities, firewall and
anti-vir program. Perhaps that happened because SP2 automatically activates
the Win XP firewall? I know that the first thing I will do _after_
installing SP2 from CD, is to *dismantle* that firewall. I'll keep using the
better one that I already have.

Post by ***=W=***
Pretty cool if you ask me.

YAWN!

Post by ***=W=***
For those who tried to tell me my computer would explode, or that
the SP2 was the worst thing ever I knew it was a bunch of BS

Oh, the drama! *No* *one* ever said the above, only caution was urged based
on the reports coming in. Why must you _always_ exaggerate everything. It's
your PC, if you have 'issues' with it in the future, it just might be
because of SP2. Please don't complain, therefore, the next time you are
having 'issues'.

Post by ***=W=***
because I know people who have had the beta version running
for months and had zero problems.

Yeah.....*right* !

MM_

2004-08-28 09:50:10 UTC

I LOVE SP2 too!

Body Glove

2004-08-28 13:06:09 UTC

Dude your mind is toast. LOL

"***=W=***" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:udRXc.48377$***@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
SP2 PROBLEMS..................................NOT!

I am noticing since I installed the SP2 service pack my computer zips along faster than it ever has. I am also noticing that by default in outlook express images in sigs are not downloaded unless I want to download them.

Pretty cool if you ask me.

For those who tried to tell me my computer would explode, or that the SP2 was the worst thing ever I knew it was a bunch of BS because I know people who have had the beta version running for months and had zero problems.

Body Glove

2004-08-28 14:14:07 UTC

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"***=W=***" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:udRXc.48377$***@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
SP2 PROBLEMS..................................NOT!

I am noticing since I installed the SP2 service pack my computer zips along faster than it ever has. I am also noticing that by default in outlook express images in sigs are not downloaded unless I want to download them.

Pretty cool if you ask me.

For those who tried to tell me my computer would explode, or that the SP2 was the worst thing ever I knew it was a bunch of BS because I know people who have had the beta version running for months and had zero problems.

ßåß§

2004-08-28 17:23:38 UTC

OMG.......ROTFLMQAO.....Joey you're too too funny.....That is the best
yet!!!!!

MM_

2004-08-28 22:12:23 UTC

See what I mean JOEY?

So many peeps get off on watching one make fun of another...
I would think many would be way over that..

MM_

Post by ÃÃ¥ÃÂ§
OMG.......ROTFLMQAO.....Joey you're too too funny.....That is the best
yet!!!!!
--

Trai' La' Trash

2004-08-28 22:36:55 UTC

See what I MEAN MM you and CRYLER just don't know when to KEEP YOU FUCKING
FAT MOUTH SHUT.

You make a plea for the other cry baby and then the little bookstore sperm
burper opens up his spermtrap and knocks Joey again.
Some people never learn.

Post by Body Glove
Your request was polite, I will shut down the links to the animated
gifs.
Tyler you've just been given a break, but I have no control over what
ppl may or may not do.
My advice to you is post in a positive way and hope ppl are feeling
generous.
J.
PS: I had just finished a great one that I was about to post :(

Post by MM_
JOEY why you still picking on Tyler?
Can't you move on, and talk about more important things?
It doesn't look cool to see you, follow the likes of Carol, and
others that look foolish doing what you now do..
Just move on... enough is enough.
Thank you,
MM_

Then CRYLER opens his sperm trap;

Post by Body Glove
I shutter to the think what the wannabe teen blunder has said because
this thread was about me having zero problems with SP2.
Next thing you know poor Joey will be claiming that I am having
problems and just don't know it LMFAO
See what I mean JOEY?
So many peeps get off on watching one make fun of another...
I would think many would be way over that..
MM_

Post by MM_
OMG.......ROTFLMQAO.....Joey you're too too funny.....That is the
best yet!!!!!
--

***=W=***

2004-08-28 22:53:30 UTC

It is quite funny what they are bitching and moaning over----I have Joey
blocked because anyone (like Joey) who makes fun over a person taking a
service pack upgrade for windows is obviously not right in the friggen head
and is starved for attention.

LMFAO! It is also curious that Joey thinks he has the right to dictate how
others live their life, or what they do with their personal property----If
he is still bitching and moaning on this issue then it just plain sad----It
is not like somone went over to Joey's trailer put a gun to his head, and
told him that he had to take the upgrade.

No doubt Joey will make another user name to try and get me to read him, I
will just ignore him and kill file him like I have done his other user
names.

Post by MM_
See what I mean JOEY?
So many peeps get off on watching one make fun of another...
I would think many would be way over that..
MM_

Post by ÃÃ¥ÃÂ§
OMG.......ROTFLMQAO.....Joey you're too too funny.....That is the best
yet!!!!!
--

Body Glove

2004-08-29 00:59:57 UTC

Tyler when you lie about my house in a group where everyone has seen it in
live web cam, it kinda makes you look STUPID.

Since you claim to have me blocked "ya right" I guess you won't mind if I
post some more animated gifs. LOL

Loading Image...

PS: Oh I'm so scared you threatened me with a gun.

Post by ***=W=***
It is quite funny what they are bitching and moaning over----I have Joey
blocked because anyone (like Joey) who makes fun over a person taking a
service pack upgrade for windows is obviously not right in the friggen head
and is starved for attention.
LMFAO! It is also curious that Joey thinks he has the right to dictate how
others live their life, or what they do with their personal property----If
he is still bitching and moaning on this issue then it just plain sad----It
is not like somone went over to Joey's trailer put a gun to his head, and
told him that he had to take the upgrade.
No doubt Joey will make another user name to try and get me to read him, I
will just ignore him and kill file him like I have done his other user
names.

Post by MM_
See what I mean JOEY?
So many peeps get off on watching one make fun of another...
I would think many would be way over that..
MM_

Post by ÃÃ¥ÃÂ§
OMG.......ROTFLMQAO.....Joey you're too too funny.....That is the best
yet!!!!!
--

ßåß§

2004-08-29 11:08:35 UTC

Tyler you know damn good and well that you read each and every damn post
that Joey makes, just like you do with everyone elses posts. You have to
read them because they are the only life you have Tyler. And don't even
try to say that the web is small part of your life, and you have a real
life as you put it because anyone that had any type of life and a small
shred of self respect would not come into groups where they are not
wanted as you do and subject themselves to the on-line ass whoopins that
you not only subject yourself to Tyler but seem to enjoy as well. And I
gotta say that you sure as hell have some nerve saying that Joey trys to
dictate to others what they can and can not do with their lives and
personal property......DO YOU NOT DO THE SAME THING MR.
WYATT????.....Telling people who they can and can not be friends with,
telling people what groups they can and can not post in!!!!!!......Guess
your nerve is FAT like the rest of you!!!!!.....And nice to know that
you spend that extra $7.00 of taxpayers money on your precious lil USED
SECOND HAND computer!!!!!
Get a grip on reallity Tyler and stop telling people that you are gonna
post pics of the new slimmer you, cause we all know that the only thing
thinner about you is your brain and I didn't think it could get any
smaller but I was wrong. I have already been told by someone that you
look exactly the same as you always have. So STOP your damn lying!!!!!

Trai' La' Trash

2004-08-30 00:59:43 UTC

ROTFLMAO!!!!!! Wow Babs you told the truth about Porky Pig. Too funny

Post by ÃÃ¥ÃÂ§
Tyler you know damn good and well that you read each and every damn
post that Joey makes, just like you do with everyone elses posts. You
have to read them because they are the only life you have Tyler. And
don't even try to say that the web is small part of your life, and
you have a real life as you put it because anyone that had any type
of life and a small shred of self respect would not come into groups
where they are not wanted as you do and subject themselves to the
on-line ass whoopins that you not only subject yourself to Tyler but
seem to enjoy as well. And I gotta say that you sure as hell have
some nerve saying that Joey trys to dictate to others what they can
and can not do with their lives and personal property......DO YOU NOT
DO THE SAME THING MR. WYATT????.....Telling people who they can and
can not be friends with, telling people what groups they can and can
not post in!!!!!!......Guess your nerve is FAT like the rest of
you!!!!!.....And nice to know that you spend that extra $7.00 of
taxpayers money on your precious lil USED SECOND HAND computer!!!!!
Get a grip on reallity Tyler and stop telling people that you are
gonna post pics of the new slimmer you, cause we all know that the
only thing thinner about you is your brain and I didn't think it
could get any smaller but I was wrong. I have already been told by
someone that you look exactly the same as you always have. So STOP
your damn lying!!!!!

Body Glove

2004-08-29 01:08:23 UTC

Thanks Babs. :)

"ßåß§" <***@webtv.net> wrote in message news:18442-4130BF9A-***@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net...
OMG.......ROTFLMQAO.....Joey you're too too funny.....That is the best
yet!!!!!

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MM_

2004-08-28 19:50:13 UTC

JOEY why you still picking on Tyler?

Can't you move on, and talk about more important things?

It doesn't look cool to see you, follow the likes of Carol, and others
that look foolish doing what you now do..

Just move on... enough is enough.

Thank you,
MM_

Body Glove

2004-08-28 20:11:55 UTC

Your request was polite, I will shut down the links to the animated gifs.

Tyler you've just been given a break, but I have no control over what ppl
may or may not do.

My advice to you is post in a positive way and hope ppl are feeling
generous.

J.

PS: I had just finished a great one that I was about to post :(

Post by MM_
JOEY why you still picking on Tyler?
Can't you move on, and talk about more important things?
It doesn't look cool to see you, follow the likes of Carol, and others
that look foolish doing what you now do..
Just move on... enough is enough.
Thank you,
MM_

~Wicked~

2004-08-28 20:04:49 UTC

I don't seem to use my pc much except to download the 10K patches that
keep coming up. I started to download the SP2 and the first thing it
said was that I already have a fire wall, so I said fu*k this and
canceled it.

Wicked

***=W=***

2004-08-28 20:52:41 UTC

The firewall is only part of the upgrade----I do not use the firewall in SP2 I do notice that things run a lot faster, and I hardly ever have to reboot after using AOHELL.

For those who don't know RR customers are able to get AOL for broadband at a discounted rate----I pay $7 extra and while I don't use it for web surfing (AOL sux for that) I think a lot of the content is good.
"~Wicked~" <***@webtv.net> wrote in message news:235-4130E561-***@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net...
I don't seem to use my pc much except to download the 10K patches that
keep coming up. I started to download the SP2 and the first thing it
said was that I already have a fire wall, so I said fu*k this and
canceled it.

Wicked

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

~WICKED~

Trai' La' Trash

2004-08-28 22:00:08 UTC

Yeah Don I can see you waiting to download 60 some odd megabytes on dialup.

I started to do it on a test pc and the install was taking too freaking long
so I scrapped it.

It's no big deal because I ghost all my hard drives and can wipe it and put
it all back in 15 mins.

Post by ~Wicked~
I don't seem to use my pc much except to download the 10K patches that
keep coming up. I started to download the SP2 and the first thing it
said was that I already have a fire wall, so I said fu*k this and
canceled it.
Wicked
~WICKED~

Carol

2004-08-28 22:32:10 UTC

Don't even bother dowloading it. Wicked, you can now order the SP2 disk.
Direct from Microsoft. Here's the link. You don't need to have it now,
better to wait until the bug fixits come out anyway. It will take a few
weeks for the CD to get to you, but it will be much easier, faster, and less
likely to be currupted, if dial-up users wait for the CD rather than
attempting the dowload. Plus, you have the CD in case you ever have to
restore your OS, without having to go back and redo all the patches. I
signed up the very first day it became available. The download is too risky
to take where I live, frequent power and phone blips occur. I put the PC on
a UPS because I got tired of the power blips with the old one. And I want to
prevent the blips from damaging the circuitry in the new one. Get a CD,
safer and better.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/sp2/cdorder/en_us/default.mspx

Carol

Post by Trai' La' Trash
Yeah Don I can see you waiting to download 60 some odd megabytes on dialup.
I started to do it on a test pc and the install was taking too
freaking long so I scrapped it.
It's no big deal because I ghost all my hard drives and can wipe it
and put it all back in 15 mins.

Post by ~Wicked~
I don't seem to use my pc much except to download the 10K patches
that keep coming up. I started to download the SP2 and the first
thing it said was that I already have a fire wall, so I said fu*k
this and canceled it.
Wicked
~WICKED~

~Wicked~

2004-08-29 00:47:38 UTC

Thanks Carol. I will order it.

Wicked

Trai' La' Trash

2004-08-29 02:11:56 UTC

Gee Carol now you'll also be accused of telling people what to do.
Just a side note* when you get the cd right click on it and hit explore and
take a look around. MS is famous for sneaking hidden BS on the cd they send
out.
I have a DVD with server Pro demo on it and they hid all sorts of popup
video ads on it.

Post by Carol
Don't even bother dowloading it. Wicked, you can now order the SP2
disk. Direct from Microsoft. Here's the link. You don't need to have
it now, better to wait until the bug fixits come out anyway. It will
take a few weeks for the CD to get to you, but it will be much
easier, faster, and less likely to be currupted, if dial-up users
wait for the CD rather than attempting the dowload. Plus, you have
the CD in case you ever have to restore your OS, without having to go
back and redo all the patches. I signed up the very first day it
became available. The download is too risky to take where I live,
frequent power and phone blips occur. I put the PC on a UPS because I
got tired of the power blips with the old one. And I want to prevent
the blips from damaging the circuitry in the new one. Get a CD, safer
and better.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/sp2/cdorder/en_us/default.mspx

Post by Carol
Carol

Post by ~Wicked~
I don't seem to use my pc much except to download the 10K patches
that keep coming up. I started to download the SP2 and the first
thing it said was that I already have a fire wall, so I said fu*k
this and canceled it.
Wicked
~WICKED~

Carol

2004-08-29 04:15:12 UTC

Post by Trai' La' Trash
Gee Carol now you'll also be accused of telling people what to do.

Been there, done that. :-)

Post by Trai' La' Trash
Just a side note* when you get the cd right click on it and hit
explore and take a look around. MS is famous for sneaking hidden BS
on the cd they send out.
I have a DVD with server Pro demo on it and they hid all sorts of
popup video ads on it.

I just run the SystemSuite Utilities All-in-One, takes out the unecessary
bloated junk that MSN adds during the install. Cleans up all the stragglers
left behind after. I do this _anytime_ I install anything Microsoft.
Cleanup, then defrag.

Carol

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/sp2/cdorder/en_us/default.mspx

Post by Carol
Carol

Post by ~Wicked~
I don't seem to use my pc much except to download the 10K patches
that keep coming up. I started to download the SP2 and the first
thing it said was that I already have a fire wall, so I said fu*k
this and canceled it.
Wicked
~WICKED~

~Wicked~

2004-08-29 08:04:20 UTC

So, briefly, what is this SP2 supposed to do anyway?

Wicked Axed Dat!!!

Carol

2004-08-29 08:44:11 UTC

Top post.

It fixes all the holes in Win XP. It's the fix-it of all fix-its. But if you
have been getting the critcal patches all along by downloading from the
Windows update site, you shouldn't need too much off of the SP2 CD. It will
scan your system and install _only_ what you don't have. It also adds some
new enhancements to XP and improves functionality of XP programs. HTH!

Carol
"~Wicked~" <***@webtv.net> wrote in message news:6597-41318E04-***@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net...
So, briefly, what is this SP2 supposed to do anyway?

Wicked Axed Dat!!!

~WICKED~

~Wicked~

2004-08-29 09:25:11 UTC

Like I said, I don't use the pc too much but look things up everyday
that won't load or can't be used on webtv or take too long. It just
seems that a couple times a week I have to load another security patch,
which I have always done. So your answer gives me an idea.. Thanks
again.

Wicked

Trai' La' Trash

2004-08-30 01:16:43 UTC

If you really want it that bad Compusa will install it free.
http://tinyurl.com/68pxt

I just wonder what excuse they will give you after they install it and your
Nortons or something doesn't work.

***=W=***

2004-08-29 20:37:15 UTC

Basically it is an over all update for XP----The firewall and a few changes to outlook express are the things people seem to notice most. Some software is affected by it, however I have not noticed any changes to things running on my computer except for smoother performance and a speed increase.
"~Wicked~" <***@webtv.net> wrote in message news:6597-41318E04-***@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net...
So, briefly, what is this SP2 supposed to do anyway?

Wicked Axed Dat!!!

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

~WICKED~

Body Glove

2004-08-29 21:29:19 UTC

Don't worry cryliar, since Wicked lives less then 2 hours away from me, I'll be happy to explain it to him in person, we LOVE sunny FLORIDA! :P

"***=W=***" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%7rYc.907$***@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
Basically it is an over all update for XP----The firewall and a few changes to outlook express are the things people seem to notice most. Some software is affected by it, however I have not noticed any changes to things running on my computer except for smoother performance and a speed increase.
"~Wicked~" <***@webtv.net> wrote in message news:6597-41318E04-***@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net...
So, briefly, what is this SP2 supposed to do anyway?

Wicked Axed Dat!!!

Kevin Burke

2004-08-29 22:22:47 UTC

Joey doesn't need any help from me defending himself from "Never Worked"
and "Never Will."
He seems to be handling that chore just fine.

Does it ever occur to you, eMpty, that Joey merely gives you back what
you have given him in the past? Was / is it not you that proclaims,
"Everything I own is Polo!" ( a lie) and "I'm getting a $500. Polo Tux
to wear to my wedding." (A double lie).

Do I not remember you making fun of Joey's house because, heaven forbid,
some of the rooms were paneled? Yet Joey's webcam showed you too lived
in a house with paneling.

In fact we have learned that you live in a tired section of Springfield
with neighbors whom you resent because of their ethnicity and who don't
like you for taking pictures of their young children.

Your anger at Joey comes not because he posts what he posts but because
he has one upped you in a way that you can never top.

It doesn't have to be this way - you have been offered peace here any
number of times, but you refuse it.

Tubby is jumping in because he remains bitter at the world for seeing
him as the looser he is and you're his only port in the storm. He
really hates you - as he does everyone, and you really hate him, but
see him as the only "friend" you have left in life. Sad. So Sad.

Question. Is you bitterness from the fact that David retired and you
can't sneak around on him with Cuz and Boston Boy or any number of your
"one afternoon" stands? It must be tough living in poverty pretending
to be something you are not and now stuck at home with "the other half"
that you have come to resent over time.

Good luck in your sunset years.

Trai' La' Trash

2004-08-30 01:21:32 UTC

Post by ***=W=***
Basically it is an over all update for XP----The firewall and a few
changes to outlook express are the things people seem to notice most.
Some software is affected by it,

Changing out tune now are we? "Some software" LOL I posted a 14 page list
and that is hardly some.

Post by ***=W=***
however I have not noticed any
changes to things running on my computer except for smoother
performance and a speed increase.
So, briefly, what is this SP2 supposed to do anyway?
Wicked Axed Dat!!!
~WICKED~

Trai' La' Trash

2004-08-30 01:01:44 UTC

Post by ~Wicked~
So, briefly, what is this SP2 supposed to do anyway?
Wicked Axed Dat!!!
~WICKED~

http://www.compusa.com/sales/sale82904/ms_sp2.asp?cm_ven=chth_em&cm_cat=em_082904&cm_pla=allcusa&cm_ite=main#

***=W=***

2004-08-28 21:01:41 UTC

I shutter to the think what the wannabe teen blunder has said because this
thread was about me having zero problems with SP2.

Next thing you know poor Joey will be claiming that I am having problems and
just don't know it LMFAO

Post by MM_
JOEY why you still picking on Tyler?
Can't you move on, and talk about more important things?
It doesn't look cool to see you, follow the likes of Carol, and others
that look foolish doing what you now do..
Just move on... enough is enough.
Thank you,
MM_

Body Glove

2004-08-29 01:03:57 UTC

WOW that animated gif really got to you huh?

Gee Tyler don't make it too obvious. LMAO!

How come you don't know how to make animated gifs, you too stupid?

Loading Image...

Post by ***=W=***
I shutter to the think what the wannabe teen blunder has said because this
thread was about me having zero problems with SP2.
Next thing you know poor Joey will be claiming that I am having problems and
just don't know it LMFAO

Post by MM_
JOEY why you still picking on Tyler?
Can't you move on, and talk about more important things?
It doesn't look cool to see you, follow the likes of Carol, and others
that look foolish doing what you now do..
Just move on... enough is enough.
Thank you,
MM_

Trai' La' Trash

2004-08-29 02:13:01 UTC

Post by Body Glove
WOW that animated gif really got to you huh?
Gee Tyler don't make it too obvious. LMAO!
How come you don't know how to make animated gifs, you too stupid?

That and the fact his pc can't handle it LOL

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v365/Body_Glove/lol_tyler.jpg

Post by ***=W=***
I shutter to the think what the wannabe teen blunder has said
because this thread was about me having zero problems with SP2.
Next thing you know poor Joey will be claiming that I am having
problems and just don't know it LMFAO

Carol

2004-08-29 04:23:33 UTC

Post by Body Glove
WOW that animated gif really got to you huh?
Gee Tyler don't make it too obvious. LMAO!
How come you don't know how to make animated gifs, you too stupid?

That and the fact his pc can't handle it LOL

He may not have a program on his PC for making animated gifs. Windows Paint,
that is included in Win XP doesn't do much of anything. You need the
software, and Tyler probably doesn't have it. I have JASC Animation Shop.
It came bundled free, with my copy of Paint Shop Pro. I think Joey told me
what he uses, but I forget. With JASC, you make individual frames, or cells,
in Paint Shop Pro. Then you use Animation Shop to assemble them into an
animated .gif. That's what I used for MM's attempting to explode wedding
cake.

Carol

Post by Trai' La' Trash
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v365/Body_Glove/lol_tyler.jpg

Post by ***=W=***
I shutter to the think what the wannabe teen blunder has said
because this thread was about me having zero problems with SP2.
Next thing you know poor Joey will be claiming that I am having
problems and just don't know it LMFAO

Body Glove

2004-08-29 04:39:01 UTC

Even if Tyler had the programs he still wouldn't know how to use them.

I don't use just one program, I use a combination of programs until I
achieve the results I want.

Name an animation or morph program and I've probably tried it.

Right now I'm using Morphman 4.0 and Bannershop 5.0, I also like Smartmorph
and MGI Photosuite.

My rig has an 800Mhz fsb with a gig of ram and I've build PC's most of my
life, to me, Tyler is NOTHING but a fat big mouth that has ZERO credibility
and will always be a LOOOOOZER.

Post by Body Glove
WOW that animated gif really got to you huh?
Gee Tyler don't make it too obvious. LMAO!
How come you don't know how to make animated gifs, you too stupid?

That and the fact his pc can't handle it LOL

Post by Trai' La' Trash
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v365/Body_Glove/lol_tyler.jpg

Post by ***=W=***
I shutter to the think what the wannabe teen blunder has said
because this thread was about me having zero problems with SP2.
Next thing you know poor Joey will be claiming that I am having
problems and just don't know it LMFAO

Carol

2004-08-29 07:27:44 UTC

Post by Body Glove
Even if Tyler had the programs he still wouldn't know how to use them.

I'm learning. I have tutorials for JASC Paint Shop Pro 7, Animation Shop,
and Adobe Photoshop Elements 2.0. I like to learn new things, keeps the mind
fresh. Not really that difficult to do, if you can read and follow a
tutorial, you can figure it out, well, at least *I* can. The learning curve
may be different for someone else.

Post by Body Glove
I don't use just one program, I use a combination of programs until I
achieve the results I want.

Me too. I import, or drag and drop, from one program to another. But I
mostly use the JASC and Adobe programs.

Post by Body Glove
Name an animation or morph program and I've probably tried it.
Right now I'm using Morphman 4.0 and Bannershop 5.0, I also like
Smartmorph and MGI Photosuite.

In addition to PSP 7 and AS and Photoshop, I also have Nik Multimedia
penPallette 1.0 and Corel procreate Painter Classic, these were bundled
with the Wacom Graphire. Then there is Arcsoft Camera Suites
PhotoImpressions2000, that came with my digi-cam, and Microsoft Picture It!
7.0, that came as part of Works Suite. I just got my Print Worshop 2004
replacement CD's from ValueSoft. (For the cracked and damaged ones from that
eBay box lot auction)There is another imaging program in that for morphing
stuff and banner creating and all kinds of stuff that you can use on the
web. It's not just all printable stuff. There's a bunch of web page creating
stuff. The entire set of 5 CD's takes up 3 GB of HD space, if you do a full
install, which I did. I've got an 80 GB HD, 3 GB is nothin'! And I
downloaded free versions of Serif Draw Plus 4.0 and 3DPlus 2.0 as well. It's
interesting that we use entirely different programs. Dave mentioned having
the full version of Adobe Photoshop, the one that costs a few hundred
dollars. I have Elements, less features, but cheaper, around $99 retail. But
it came with the Graphire, which I spent $51 total for.

Post by Body Glove
My rig has an 800Mhz fsb with a gig of ram and I've build PC's most
of my life, to me, Tyler is NOTHING but a fat big mouth that has ZERO
credibility and will always be a LOOOOOZER.

Well, my Evo isn't quite that big, but good enough to do what I want to do.
I have a 533 MHz FSB and 512 MB RAM. This is adequate for basic graphics
programs and such. But I wouldn't play the latest computer game or run
AutoCAD on it. There are Evo's that do run AutoCAD, D530 models with Xenon
(?) chips, dual processors, stuff like that. I think Dave has big monsters
that are something like that.

Carol

Post by Body Glove
WOW that animated gif really got to you huh?
Gee Tyler don't make it too obvious. LMAO!
How come you don't know how to make animated gifs, you too stupid?

That and the fact his pc can't handle it LOL

He may not have a program on his PC for making animated gifs.
Windows Paint, that is included in Win XP doesn't do much of
anything. You need the software, and Tyler probably doesn't have it.
I have JASC Animation Shop. It came bundled free, with my copy of
Paint Shop Pro. I think Joey told me what he uses, but I forget.
With JASC, you make individual frames, or cells, in Paint Shop Pro.
Then you use Animation Shop to assemble them into an animated .gif.
That's what I used for MM's attempting to explode wedding cake.
Carol

Post by Trai' La' Trash
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v365/Body_Glove/lol_tyler.jpg

Post by ***=W=***
I shutter to the think what the wannabe teen blunder has said
because this thread was about me having zero problems with SP2.
Next thing you know poor Joey will be claiming that I am having
problems and just don't know it LMFAO

Trai' La' Trash

2004-08-30 01:49:31 UTC

Actually Carol I have most of the adobe versions
PS,streamline,illustrator,Elements and a few others.

As far as computers I really have too much to list it would take me a day.
Right now i'm using an Asus P4C800 Deluxe with 3.4 intel and 4 gigs or ram
and my drives are 150 MB a second SATA drives.
http://www.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=P4C800%20Deluxe&langs=01

And yes my server is Dual Xeon

Post by Body Glove
Even if Tyler had the programs he still wouldn't know how to use them.

I'm learning. I have tutorials for JASC Paint Shop Pro 7, Animation
Shop, and Adobe Photoshop Elements 2.0. I like to learn new things,
keeps the mind fresh. Not really that difficult to do, if you can
read and follow a tutorial, you can figure it out, well, at least *I*
can. The learning curve may be different for someone else.

Post by Body Glove
I don't use just one program, I use a combination of programs until I
achieve the results I want.

Me too. I import, or drag and drop, from one program to another. But I
mostly use the JASC and Adobe programs.

Post by Body Glove
Name an animation or morph program and I've probably tried it.
Right now I'm using Morphman 4.0 and Bannershop 5.0, I also like
Smartmorph and MGI Photosuite.

In addition to PSP 7 and AS and Photoshop, I also have Nik Multimedia
penPallette 1.0 and Corel procreate Painter Classic, these were
bundled with the Wacom Graphire. Then there is Arcsoft Camera Suites
PhotoImpressions2000, that came with my digi-cam, and Microsoft Picture It!
7.0, that came as part of Works Suite. I just got my Print Worshop
2004 replacement CD's from ValueSoft. (For the cracked and damaged
ones from that eBay box lot auction)There is another imaging program
in that for morphing stuff and banner creating and all kinds of stuff
that you can use on the web. It's not just all printable stuff.
There's a bunch of web page creating stuff. The entire set of 5 CD's
takes up 3 GB of HD space, if you do a full install, which I did.
I've got an 80 GB HD, 3 GB is nothin'! And I downloaded free versions
of Serif Draw Plus 4.0 and 3DPlus 2.0 as well. It's interesting that
we use entirely different programs. Dave mentioned having the full
version of Adobe Photoshop, the one that costs a few hundred dollars.
I have Elements, less features, but cheaper, around $99 retail. But
it came with the Graphire, which I spent $51 total for.

Well, my Evo isn't quite that big, but good enough to do what I want
to do. I have a 533 MHz FSB and 512 MB RAM. This is adequate for
basic graphics programs and such. But I wouldn't play the latest
computer game or run AutoCAD on it. There are Evo's that do run
AutoCAD, D530 models with Xenon (?) chips, dual processors, stuff
like that. I think Dave has big monsters that are something like that.
Carol

Post by Body Glove
WOW that animated gif really got to you huh?
Gee Tyler don't make it too obvious. LMAO!
How come you don't know how to make animated gifs, you too stupid?

That and the fact his pc can't handle it LOL

He may not have a program on his PC for making animated gifs.
Windows Paint, that is included in Win XP doesn't do much of
anything. You need the software, and Tyler probably doesn't have it.
I have JASC Animation Shop. It came bundled free, with my copy of
Paint Shop Pro. I think Joey told me what he uses, but I forget.
With JASC, you make individual frames, or cells, in Paint Shop Pro.
Then you use Animation Shop to assemble them into an animated .gif.
That's what I used for MM's attempting to explode wedding cake.
Carol

Post by Trai' La' Trash
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v365/Body_Glove/lol_tyler.jpg

Post by ***=W=***
I shutter to the think what the wannabe teen blunder has said
because this thread was about me having zero problems with SP2.
Next thing you know poor Joey will be claiming that I am having
problems and just don't know it LMFAO

MM_

2004-08-29 09:57:57 UTC

We hear there is a 'New William' on MSN-TV.. I think most of us are
looking for that 'New Joey'. The kind that doesn't spend all his time
editing images, to insult others. That is what the 'Old Joey' was
about, and one would think with a new home and life in FL. one would
have come back a better person. But maybe things aren't better for
him.

Not to mention the abuse of wasting the bandwith of a FREE image
hosting service, no wonder many FREE image hosting services go under.
Did you make a 'donation; to photobucket JOEY? I doubt it. But you
seem to enjoy wasting THEIR bandwith, THEY have to pay for.

Just my (and others) observations.

Thanks,
MM_

Post by Body Glove
WOW that animated gif really got to you huh?
Gee Tyler don't make it too obvious. LMAO!
How come you don't know how to make animated gifs, you too stupid?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v365/Body_Glove/lol_tyler.jpg

and

Post by ***=W=***
just don't know it LMFAO

Post by MM_
JOEY why you still picking on Tyler?
Can't you move on, and talk about more important things?
It doesn't look cool to see you, follow the likes of Carol, and others
that look foolish doing what you now do..
Just move on... enough is enough.
Thank you,
MM_

Kevin Burke

2004-08-29 14:06:53 UTC

Wow. Being called a parasite by eMpty Life. So, John what conribution
have you ever made to David, other than multiple bankruptcies? Who
pays for the bandwith you waste everyday?

Re: SP2 Problems (Tyler) J

Group: alt.rasap Date: Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 2:57am (EDT-3) From:
***@msn.com (MM_)
We hear there is a 'New William' on MSN-TV.. I think most of us are
looking for that 'New Joey'. The kind that doesn't spend all his time
editing images, to insult others. That is what the 'Old Joey' was about,
and one would think with a new home and life in FL. one would have come
back a better person. But maybe things aren't better for him.
Not to mention the abuse of wasting the bandwith of a FREE image hosting
service, no wonder many FREE image hosting services go under. Did you
make a 'donation; to photobucket JOEY? I doubt it. But you seem to enjoy
wasting THEIR bandwith, THEY have to pay for.
Just my (and others) observations.
Thanks,
MM_
"Body Glove" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<%X9Yc.868$***@fe61.usenetserver.com>...
WOW that animated gif really got to you huh?
Gee Tyler don't make it too obvious. LMAO!
How come you don't know how to make animated gifs, you too stupid?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v365/Body_Glove/lol_tyler.jpg
"***=W=***" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Vo6Yc.825$***@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
I shutter to the think what the wannabe teen blunder has said because
this thread was about me having zero problems with SP2.
Next thing you know poor Joey will be claiming that I am having problems
and just don't know it LMFAO
"MM_" <***@msn.com> wrote in message news:***@posting.google.com...
JOEY why you still picking on Tyler?
Can't you move on, and talk about more important things?
It doesn't look cool to see you, follow the likes of Carol, and others
that look foolish doing what you now do..
Just move on... enough is enough.
Thank you,
MM_

MM_

2004-08-29 17:50:55 UTC

Kevin, I still have JOEYS bankruptcy file... he hasn't always been
better than all. So you too keep on 'protecting' JOEY.. for we all
know he looks forward to that on Sundays.

Did you look at his 'shopping' on eBay? (I hadn't, I don't care what
JOEY has). He aims to 'impress' the crowd.

No reply needed..

Thanks,
MM_

Post by Kevin Burke
Wow. Being called a parasite by eMpty Life. So, John what conribution
have you ever made to David, other than multiple bankruptcies? Who
pays for the bandwith you waste everyday?
Re: SP2 Problems (Tyler) J
We hear there is a 'New William' on MSN-TV.. I think most of us are
looking for that 'New Joey'. The kind that doesn't spend all his time
editing images, to insult others. That is what the 'Old Joey' was about,
and one would think with a new home and life in FL. one would have come
back a better person. But maybe things aren't better for him.
Not to mention the abuse of wasting the bandwith of a FREE image hosting
service, no wonder many FREE image hosting services go under. Did you
make a 'donation; to photobucket JOEY? I doubt it. But you seem to enjoy
wasting THEIR bandwith, THEY have to pay for.
Just my (and others) observations.
Thanks,
MM_
WOW that animated gif really got to you huh?
Gee Tyler don't make it too obvious. LMAO!
How come you don't know how to make animated gifs, you too stupid?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v365/Body_Glove/lol_tyler.jpg
I shutter to the think what the wannabe teen blunder has said because
this thread was about me having zero problems with SP2.
Next thing you know poor Joey will be claiming that I am having problems
and just don't know it LMFAO
JOEY why you still picking on Tyler?
Can't you move on, and talk about more important things?
It doesn't look cool to see you, follow the likes of Carol, and others
that look foolish doing what you now do..
Just move on... enough is enough.
Thank you,
MM_

Body Glove

2004-08-29 16:22:19 UTC

We thought after you claimed to get married that you would be a different
person, that you would stop attacking ppl and go start a new life with your
B/F/Husband. But instead it's the same old MM attacking the same ppl using
the same tactics.

I have to tell ya, I'm really disappointed. It would make me really happy
if you stop posting for at least 6 months that way I would know you're
helping your B/F around the house, he's retired now and sure could use your
help. What do ya say, will ya go help him or will you continue to try and
take the attention from Tyler?

Thanks,
Joey.

MM_

2004-08-29 22:20:03 UTC

People don't walk through this group with blinders on JOEY. Everyone
knows how you are just like they know how everyone knows 'how everyone
is.'

You're just picking on Tyler cuz, you always want the last word.. and
you think you are gaing 'respect' from people like 'Kevin'.

You are forgetting we all know what he is like too.

You seem to be bored in your new 'home'.

MM_

PS... Happy belated Birthday again FRITZ. Love MM_

Post by Body Glove
We thought after you claimed to get married that you would be a different
person, that you would stop attacking ppl and go start a new life with your
B/F/Husband. But instead it's the same old MM attacking the same ppl using
the same tactics.
I have to tell ya, I'm really disappointed. It would make me really happy
if you stop posting for at least 6 months that way I would know you're
helping your B/F around the house, he's retired now and sure could use your
help. What do ya say, will ya go help him or will you continue to try and
take the attention from Tyler?
Thanks,
Joey.

***=W=***

2004-08-30 00:06:01 UTC

Joey is a wannbe and I really could care less what he thinks of me or my
Dell computer. I don't have to answer to him or any other person online, and
have zero reason to care what he thinks.

I will say I do find it interesting to watch him have a meltdown over a
stupid service pack upgrade.

Post by MM_
People don't walk through this group with blinders on JOEY. Everyone
knows how you are just like they know how everyone knows 'how everyone
is.'
You're just picking on Tyler cuz, you always want the last word.. and
you think you are gaing 'respect' from people like 'Kevin'.
You are forgetting we all know what he is like too.
You seem to be bored in your new 'home'.
MM_
PS... Happy belated Birthday again FRITZ. Love MM_

Kevin Burke

2004-08-30 00:46:08 UTC

Joey is hardly a wannabe - his house and property exists as he has
explained it. You however are a "never will be" - unwilling to provide
the proof YOU offered to back up your daily lies.

Trai' La' Trash

2004-08-30 01:56:19 UTC

Post by Kevin Burke
Joey is hardly a wannabe - his house and property exists as he has
explained it. You however are a "never will be" - unwilling to
provide the proof YOU offered to back up your daily lies.

BECAUSE HE CAN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

John Mck

2004-08-30 02:16:55 UTC

Top poted

First off all Joey is not having a meltdown over anything. I'm sure you and
your Stale mentor are posting this meltdown crap thinking you are getting
Joey's goat. No such luck.

A wannabe what? You! ROTFLMAO! at the absurdity!

Post by ***=W=***
Joey is a wannbe and I really could care less what he thinks of me or my
Dell computer. I don't have to answer to him or any other person online, and
have zero reason to care what he thinks.
I will say I do find it interesting to watch him have a meltdown over a
stupid service pack upgrade.

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Body Glove

2004-08-30 04:09:47 UTC

Thanks John, I think those two are going off the deep end again. lol

By the way, Mike's here, staying for a week and then moving to west Palm.

Can't believe how tall he is, 6-3!

Drove his jeep tonight, pretty cool, we went to the BBQ place in town.

J.

PS: Yes Tyler I have pics of me driving the Jeep and pics of me and Mike at
the BBQ place so calm yourself down before you blow a gasket. lol

Post by John Mck
Top poted
First off all Joey is not having a meltdown over anything. I'm sure you and
your Stale mentor are posting this meltdown crap thinking you are getting
Joey's goat. No such luck.
A wannabe what? You! ROTFLMAO! at the absurdity!

Post by ***=W=***
Joey is a wannbe and I really could care less what he thinks of me or my
Dell computer. I don't have to answer to him or any other person online,

and

Post by ***=W=***
have zero reason to care what he thinks.
I will say I do find it interesting to watch him have a meltdown over a
stupid service pack upgrade.

Post by Body Glove
We thought after you claimed to get married that you would be a

different

Post by Body Glove
person, that you would stop attacking ppl and go start a new life

with

Post by John Mck

Post by Body Glove
your
B/F/Husband. But instead it's the same old MM attacking the same ppl using
the same tactics.
I have to tell ya, I'm really disappointed. It would make me really happy
if you stop posting for at least 6 months that way I would know you're
helping your B/F around the house, he's retired now and sure could

use

Post by John Mck

Post by Body Glove
your
help. What do ya say, will ya go help him or will you continue to

try

Post by John Mck

Post by Body Glove
and
take the attention from Tyler?
Thanks,
Joey.

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MM_

2004-08-30 10:46:11 UTC

YUM YUM to SP2!

MM_

2004-08-29 17:46:09 UTC

SO Joseph, didn't the move do you good?

Now I see you are making fun of 'DELL PC' users, and you used them for
at least three years, and doesn't Wicked also use a Dell? Don't worry
we all know how you like to think you are 'better'. So keep on, being
yourself, for we all know how you are... when you want to abuse or
'outdo' someone, because of 'what you have' and what 'they don't
have'. Guess that does make you better??

BTW, it was Fritzys birthday two weeks ago, as noted in this group,
did you take a moment out of your editing and stalking, to wish him a
Happy Birthday?

So as we all see you seem stuck in the past, with the same anger.

Have a real great time dowing others.

Thanks for the time,

MM_

***=W=***

2004-08-29 20:42:46 UTC

Let him make fun of my Dell I assure you this computer is going to be around
for quite a while----If Joey does not like it he can slither off and pretend
to be straight or something LMFAO!

Post by MM_
SO Joseph, didn't the move do you good?
Now I see you are making fun of 'DELL PC' users, and you used them for
at least three years, and doesn't Wicked also use a Dell? Don't worry
we all know how you like to think you are 'better'. So keep on, being
yourself, for we all know how you are... when you want to abuse or
'outdo' someone, because of 'what you have' and what 'they don't
have'. Guess that does make you better??
BTW, it was Fritzys birthday two weeks ago, as noted in this group,
did you take a moment out of your editing and stalking, to wish him a
Happy Birthday?
So as we all see you seem stuck in the past, with the same anger.
Have a real great time dowing others.
Thanks for the time,
MM_

Body Glove

2004-08-29 21:24:17 UTC

If ya can't take the heat get the f*ck out the kitchen cause this group is
on a mission!

Post by ***=W=***
Let him make fun of my Dell I assure you this computer is going to be around
for quite a while----If Joey does not like it he can slither off and pretend
to be straight or something LMFAO!

Trai' La' Trash

2004-08-30 02:01:34 UTC

Post by ***=W=***
Let him make fun of my Dell I assure you this computer is going to be
around for quite a while---

BECAUSE WELFARE WONT BUY YOU A NEW ONE LOL

Post by MM_
SO Joseph, didn't the move do you good?
Now I see you are making fun of 'DELL PC' users, and you used them
for at least three years, and doesn't Wicked also use a Dell? Don't
worry we all know how you like to think you are 'better'. So keep
on, being yourself, for we all know how you are... when you want to
abuse or 'outdo' someone, because of 'what you have' and what 'they
don't have'. Guess that does make you better??
BTW, it was Fritzys birthday two weeks ago, as noted in this group,
did you take a moment out of your editing and stalking, to wish him a
Happy Birthday?
So as we all see you seem stuck in the past, with the same anger.
Have a real great time dowing others.
Thanks for the time,
MM_

Trai' La' Trash

2004-08-30 01:59:31 UTC

Am I the only one that notices what ever MM accuses others of being
describes himself to a freaking T?

All he has to do is sing "i'm looking at the man in the mirror"

Trai' La' Trash

2004-08-30 01:50:56 UTC

MM blow it out your ass.

Post by MM_
We hear there is a 'New William' on MSN-TV.. I think most of us are
looking for that 'New Joey'. The kind that doesn't spend all his time
editing images, to insult others. That is what the 'Old Joey' was
about, and one would think with a new home and life in FL. one would
have come back a better person. But maybe things aren't better for
him.
Not to mention the abuse of wasting the bandwith of a FREE image
hosting service, no wonder many FREE image hosting services go under.
Did you make a 'donation; to photobucket JOEY? I doubt it. But you
seem to enjoy wasting THEIR bandwith, THEY have to pay for.
Just my (and others) observations.
Thanks,
MM_

Post by ***=W=***
I shutter to the think what the wannabe teen blunder has said
because this thread was about me having zero problems with SP2.
Next thing you know poor Joey will be claiming that I am having problems

and

Post by ***=W=***
just don't know it LMFAO

Body Glove

2004-08-29 04:17:16 UTC

Tyler that animated gif really bothered you huh? Not to mention the fact
that Babs loved it.

Think about it, you just called me a wannabe teen, yet you know for a fact
that I web cam with pretty much this entire group. If you were thinking
clearly you would never have said such a stupid thing.

Tyler I'm not picking on you, I'm just pointing out that you're making a
fool of yourself and because you're so upset about the animated gif you
can't think clearly.

You promised to post pics of the new you and of your new place, yet you have
NEVER posted even a single pic to prove even one word that you said.

Because you have avoided to prove your credibility that could also be what's
making you so upset.

Think about it Tyler, you're fat, I'm thin.

You're poor, I'm rich.

You live in a run down apt, I live in a huge brand new house in a very
wealthy area.

You're in debt, all my debts are totally paid off.

You have an old outdated Dell, I have a brand new Sony Vaio.

You have enemies all over the net, I have no enemies, well except for you,
but you really don't count because you're kinda slow.

Tyler, dude, you can't even make an animated gif, come on man think about
it, you can't even make one damn animation, not one! I know that's pissing
you off. You're sitting there with that used Dell, you only have trail
software that came with the Dell. Dave and I have thousands of dollars
worth of software and we KNOW how to use it.

Dave and I can buy pretty much whatever we want and if you check out my ebay
ID you'll see that I DO buy what ever I want, ALL THE TIME.

Tyler, dude, you're just a short fat dumpy angry little man with no friends,
no money, no house and no life.

I think You'll end up dying all alone, watch, I'm always right.

Carol

2004-08-29 08:39:44 UTC

Post by Body Glove
Tyler that animated gif really bothered you huh? Not to mention the
fact that Babs loved it.

That was it! Babs loved it! Bad, bad, bad.

Post by Body Glove
Think about it, you just called me a wannabe teen, yet you know for a
fact that I web cam with pretty much this entire group. If you were
thinking clearly you would never have said such a stupid thing.

Stupid is, as stupid does, so the saying goes.

Post by Body Glove
Tyler I'm not picking on you, I'm just pointing out that you're
making a fool of yourself and because you're so upset about the
animated gif you can't think clearly.

When _does_ he think clearly? He sees red where there is none.

Post by Body Glove
You promised to post pics of the new you and of your new place, yet
you have NEVER posted even a single pic to prove even one word that
you said.

Mmmmhmm.

Post by Body Glove
Because you have avoided to prove your credibility that could also be
what's making you so upset.

He doesn't have credibility *to* prove, which is why he tries so hard to rip
others, only to fail in the end.

Post by Body Glove
Think about it Tyler, you're fat, I'm thin.

I don't get jealous over thin people. I can't control genetics and my
malfunctioning adrenal glands. I'm short and stocky built and those who have
a problem, well, *they* have the problem.

Post by Body Glove
You're poor, I'm rich.

I've never been rich. According to the US poverty level guidlines, I'm poor.
But I have things that many poor wouldn't have. I used to be among the
working poor, then worked up to lower middle-class status, and now I'm the
disabled poor. I grew up in a lower middle-class environment in suburbia. I
tend to live like I'm still lower middle-class. Since I can't work to get
ahead, I make do with what I have, so I live well on a shoestring budget.
Works for me! I learned to be thrifty from my mom. I also find ways to add
to my income; paid surveys, eBay, mosaics on consignment, etc. I feel more
productive when I can do things like this. It's not much, but my abilty to
work is limited. I know what the value of work is, and would still be doing
it right now if not for that darn drunk driver smoking weed and not paying
attention to anything.

I don't waste my energy harboring jealousy for those who have, one can have
not, and still be satisfied. To envy others posessions that you can never
have, is useless. I don't need, or want, big screen TV's, video game
systems, DVD's and recorder/players (My VCR is fine, for now), gas-guzzing
SUV's or a beemer. No designer clothes, fancy-shmancy furniture, expensive
jewelry, or high-end audiophile equipment and home entertainment systems.
I'd never use the stuff. I own what I use, not for show, like some do. But
what I use is not what someone else would. The PC is probably one of my
biggest splurges, but I am finding so many uses for it, overall, it makes my
life easier. I'd just as soon as _not_ have too many things. I like a more
simplified life. Just the basics, please. You and Dave can buy your big boy
toys and gadgets with your hard-earned money with my blessings. And you can
pay all the maintenance and repairs and replacements too. LOL !

Post by Body Glove
You live in a run down apt, I live in a huge brand new house in a very
wealthy area.

I live in a nice subsidized housing unit for low income disabled and elderly
over 62 only. FMh Rural Housing. We pay 1/3rd of our income for housing
costs. The building was brand new when I moved in. The market price for
these units is $599 a month. Nice galley kitchen with breakfast bar. Dining
room/living room combination. Bedroom, bathroom, two hall closets, one
untility closet, one coat closet, a porch or patio with arrached storage
shed/unit. Have heat pump/central air, came with a new range and fridge. I
added a portable dishwasher and a microwave and a small chest freezer. In
house coin operated laundromat with front load washers. The Section 8 ones
on the other side of town don't look nearly as good. And the public housing
in the city to the south are even less desirable. HUD housing is very basic.
Don't know if Tyler is in HUD or some cheap efficiency place. He can't
afford anything other than one of those with SSI.

Post by Body Glove
You're in debt, all my debts are totally paid off.

Ha ha, I wish mine were. I've got 'puter to pay off. But at least I own my
car, free and clear. My guess is that he is financing that Dell. So, he is
in debt like me. I'm still paying off medical expenses from before I got
Medicare and Medicaid, and after using up all of my insurance settlement
money from the accident. I may be in debt, but the one thing I am not, is in
bankruptcy. I've paid off most of them, not too much left. hope to be debt
free in about 3 or 4 years. Don't know if Tyler has incurred other debts, I
guess he paid off his student loan? Or is presently paying that back? Who
knows? Heck, who cares! :-P

Post by Body Glove
You have an old outdated Dell, I have a brand new Sony Vaio.

Does he? Did he buy a new one from Dell, or did he get a return that was
resold at a discount? Is it new, or isn't it? He never does post the specs
or anything about it. Only that it is a Dell 4600. I had an old outdated
Compaq, now I have a brand new Compaq. The old one wasn't enough to do
graphics with, for starters. I am so glad I am not bound by those SSI rules,
but the rules are in place because the taxpayers foot the bill, and they
don't expect the disabled poor on SSI to be buying PC's with the money. I
paid my tax money into SSDI when I worked, I now collect my taxpayer
benefits while I can't work. it's called *insurance* for a reason, and you
don't get it unless you actually work and pay into it. SSDI income can be
spent like any other income you would have had when working.

Post by Body Glove
You have enemies all over the net, I have no enemies, well except for
you, but you really don't count because you're kinda slow.

I think that is true of many of us here. ;-)

Post by Body Glove
Tyler, dude, you can't even make an animated gif, come on man think
about it, you can't even make one damn animation, not one! I know
that's pissing you off. You're sitting there with that used Dell,
you only have trail software that came with the Dell. Dave and I
have thousands of dollars worth of software and we KNOW how to use it.

Well, I have hundreds of dollars of software, but I didn't pay hundreds of
dollars for it all. And I am learning how to use it. And there are plenty of
free programs out there. I mentioned the Serif ones. Just put free Serif
software in search, and you wiil find it. The GIMP is freeware photo editing
program that many like, I hear that it is difficult to use though, it's
similar to Adobe Photoshop. And if you shop like me, you can buy software
for far less than retail. Tyler could get the freeware stuff, get pics of
you from MM, and do the same stuff. He can't do animations, though., The
free programs don't have that. But he can make .gifs and .jpg's, contort or
twist your face, paste it on another image, stuff like that. MM could do the
same thing.

Post by Body Glove
Dave and I can buy pretty much whatever we want and if you check out
my ebay ID you'll see that I DO buy what ever I want, ALL THE TIME.

Yup. I'm glad I don't want as much. But I don't set my sights as high when I
know my income limits. When you have more to spend, you can get more. But I
definitely do buy things I want above and beyond my needs. I just buy only
what I can afford, and I will wait for just the right auction, or sale, or
coupon, or what-have-you. I get what I want, but not when I want, and not at
the price _others_ want. I get it at *my* price. That's why I like eBay. :-D

Post by Body Glove
Tyler, dude, you're just a short fat dumpy angry little man with no
friends, no money, no house and no life.

Say it isn't so!!!! 8-O

Post by Body Glove
I think You'll end up dying all alone, watch, I'm always right.

Would be sad, if true. :-(

Carol

Post by ***=W=***
I shutter to the think what the wannabe teen blunder has said
because this thread was about me having zero problems with SP2.
Next thing you know poor Joey will be claiming that I am having
problems and just don't know it LMFAO

Trai' La' Trash

2004-08-28 21:55:42 UTC