Censorship day here in Chicago

[Adam H. Kerman]

July 23, 2020

I have had my country's history stolen from me today.

History is full of evil bastards who did a few important things. It's also
full of people who did many good things while also doing a few evil things.

I've never read about any historical figure without sin.

We are passing out your personal protective gear, today. It is mandatory
that you wear it. Please find a pair of rose-colored glasses to see a
prettier view of history. Please insert your earplugs so you can never
hear another objection.

You have a choice of apparatus to prevent speech. We have the ball gag,
from your favorite S&M supplier. We have the iron mask, complete with iron
tongue depressor. That one requires welding; it's best not do it yourself.

And we have a razor-sharp hunting knife. You may now slit your own
throat from ear to ear.

First, though, you had better install nose plugs. It all stinks.

Mary Ann Ahern (on-air reporter, NBC O&O WMAQ-TV)
@MaryAnnAhernNBC

Multiple sources believe @chicgosmayor has ordered the Columbus Statue
in Grant Park taken down and another Columbus statue in LIttle Italy
too. Sources say it will happen after 11pm tonight. So far, no
comment mayor's office. Will update. (Sound familiar? Meigs Field)
9:00 PM - Jul 23, 2020

https://twitter.com/MaryAnnAhernNBC/status/1286481416612700160

Mayor Lori Lightfoot planning to remove Christopher Columbus statue from
Chicago's Grant Park
By Gregory Pratt and Peter Nickeas
Chicago Tribune
Jul 23, 2020 at 9:10 PM
https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-chicago-christopher-columbus-statue-grant-park-lori-lightfoot-20200724-2hsbobbt7ndmpmkgyh6vfl7cvq-story.html

This violent protest scared the mayor but good:

Protesters Try To Tear Down Columbus Statue In Chicago As Clashes
Between Police, Activists Turn Violent:
Protesters nearly toppled a Christopher Columbus statue in Grant Park
before police intervened.
Grace Del Vecchio @delvecchiograce
Colin Boyle @colinbphoto
Jul 17, 2020 10:47PM CDT

https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/07/17/protesters-try-to-tear-down-columbus-statue-in-chicago-as-clashes-between-police-activists-turn-violent/

And it led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.

Douglas Park Will Be Renamed For Frederick Douglass, Park District Board
Says: ‘We Have Heard You’

After West Side students lobbied for the change for years, the Park
District Board unanimously voted to start the park renaming process
Wednesday.
Published on Jul 22, 2020 1:06 PM CDT

https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/07/22/douglas-park-will-almost-certainly-be-renamed-for-frederick-douglass-we-have-heard-you/

In this article, I learned that Stephen A. Douglas was one of the most
notorious slavery advocates.

For those of you who don't remember your history, which apparently is
fewer and fewer of us, this would be the Stephen A. Douglas of the
Lincoln-Douglas debates. A lot of stuff in Illinois is named for him as
he was one of the state's most important politicians. In fact, both
Lincoln and Douglas worked together while Lincoln, a Republican, was in
the House, and Douglas, a Democrat was in the Senate, on legislation
benefitting Illinois, most famously, the first railroad land grant to
the Illinois Central Railroad.

His wife owned slaves.

Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.

Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.

For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.

This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.

Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

btw, there is a public library branch within a block of the park that's
named for Frederick Douglass. It's not like Chicago has never honored him.

[anim8rfsk]

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Douglas Park Will Be Renamed For Frederick Douglass

So they just changed the park's first name? That's so stupid it's actually
amusing.

They should have said it was named after the My Three Sons patriarch, and
left it 'Steven'

[BTR1701]

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Douglas Park Will Be Renamed For Frederick Douglass

So they just changed the park's first name? That's so stupid it's
actually amusing.
They should have said it was named after the My Three Sons patriarch,
and left it 'Steven'

Decades ago, back when every city in America felt they had to name
something after Martin Luther King, I was living in Austin and they had
a huge debate about turning 1st Street into "Martin Luther King Way". A
lot of businesses were having heartburn over it because of the cost of
changing all their signage and advertising, but the city council
eventually rammed it through over the objections of the citizenry as
they usually do. But "Martin Luther King Way" was such a mouthful to say
over and over again that people just started calling it "MLK Way", which
quickly morphed into "Milky Way" and now that's the de facto name of the
street. No one in Austin says "Martin Luther King Way" and all of the
businesses use "Milky Way" in their advertising and signage and
billboards now, many of them with some kind of space/galactic theme.

[trotsky]

Post by BTR1701

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Douglas Park Will Be Renamed For Frederick Douglass

So they just changed the park's first name? That's so stupid it's
actually amusing.
They should have said it was named after the My Three Sons patriarch,
and left it 'Steven'

Decades ago, back when every city in America felt they had to name
something after Martin Luther King,

Interesting, which historical douchebag would you have them name things
after?


I was living in Austin


So you thought "Austin isn't liberal enough" and moved to Cali?


and they had

Post by BTR1701
a huge debate about turning 1st Street into "Martin Luther King Way". A
lot of businesses were having heartburn over it because of the cost of
changing all their signage and advertising,

But they weren't considered snowflakes? Repbug mythology is massively
fucked up.


but the city council

Post by BTR1701
eventually rammed it through over the objections of the citizenry as
they usually do.

"Rammed through" means put to a proper vote in snowflake-speak, right?


But "Martin Luther King Way" was such a mouthful to say

Post by BTR1701
over and over again that people just started calling it "MLK Way", which
quickly morphed into "Milky Way" and now that's the de facto name of the
street. No one in Austin says "Martin Luther King Way" and all of the
businesses use "Milky Way" in their advertising and signage and
billboards now, many of them with some kind of space/galactic theme.

Mentally lazy assholes are so cute! Great story.

[RichA]

Post by trotsky

Post by BTR1701

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Douglas Park Will Be Renamed For Frederick Douglass

So they just changed the park's first name? That's so stupid it's
actually amusing.
They should have said it was named after the My Three Sons patriarch,
and left it 'Steven'

Decades ago, back when every city in America felt they had to name
something after Martin Luther King,

Interesting, which historical douchebag would you have them name things
after?
I was living in Austin
So you thought "Austin isn't liberal enough" and moved to Cali?
and they had

Post by BTR1701
a huge debate about turning 1st Street into "Martin Luther King Way". A
lot of businesses were having heartburn over it because of the cost of
changing all their signage and advertising,

But they weren't considered snowflakes? Repbug mythology is massively
fucked up.
but the city council

Post by BTR1701
eventually rammed it through over the objections of the citizenry as
they usually do.

"Rammed through" means put to a proper vote in snowflake-speak, right?

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1287276337938305024

[trotsky]

Post by RichA

Post by trotsky

Post by BTR1701

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Douglas Park Will Be Renamed For Frederick Douglass

So they just changed the park's first name? That's so stupid it's
actually amusing.
They should have said it was named after the My Three Sons patriarch,
and left it 'Steven'

Decades ago, back when every city in America felt they had to name
something after Martin Luther King,

Interesting, which historical douchebag would you have them name things
after?
I was living in Austin
So you thought "Austin isn't liberal enough" and moved to Cali?
and they had

Post by BTR1701
a huge debate about turning 1st Street into "Martin Luther King Way". A
lot of businesses were having heartburn over it because of the cost of
changing all their signage and advertising,

But they weren't considered snowflakes? Repbug mythology is massively
fucked up.
but the city council

Post by BTR1701
eventually rammed it through over the objections of the citizenry as
they usually do.

"Rammed through" means put to a proper vote in snowflake-speak, right?

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1287276337938305024

Ah yes, more of your pretentious twatsmanship.

[anim8rfsk]

Post by BTR1701

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Douglas Park Will Be Renamed For Frederick Douglass

So they just changed the park's first name? That's so stupid it's
actually amusing.
They should have said it was named after the My Three Sons patriarch,
and left it 'Steven'

Decades ago, back when every city in America felt they had to name
something after Martin Luther King, I was living in Austin and they had
a huge debate about turning 1st Street into "Martin Luther King Way". A
lot of businesses were having heartburn over it because of the cost of
changing all their signage and advertising, but the city council
eventually rammed it through over the objections of the citizenry as
they usually do. But "Martin Luther King Way" was such a mouthful to say
over and over again that people just started calling it "MLK Way", which
quickly morphed into "Milky Way" and now that's the de facto name of the
street. No one in Austin says "Martin Luther King Way" and all of the
businesses use "Milky Way" in their advertising and signage and
billboards now, many of them with some kind of space/galactic theme.

Heh. They tried to do that here, but all the streets they wanted to rename
were already named after dead Presidents, so the resistance was inevitable.
Ian's Wiki says we were the last to fall, in 2015, when we renamed a hunk of
Broadway, where it crosses through the baddest part of town. That's so stupid
it's hysterical.

From said Wiki: This isn't Phoenix, but the irony is overwhelming:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_streets_named_after_Martin_Luther_King_J
r.#/media/File:MLK_Jeff_Davis_Do_Not_Enter.JPG

As is this sign in Phoenix
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-
/9069670426708ad3057b2316b7f1f8b6f5fc643d/c=200-0-3400-2400/local/-
/media/Phoenix/2014/12/29/B9315515904Z.1_20141229135053_000_GPS9GDARM.1-
0.jpg?width=534&height=401&fit=crop

I can't find *any* pictures actually showing the area; it's all either signs
or stuff that's scenic but actually some distance north.

This is terrifying - from a page dedicated to"Best Wedding Venues In
Downtown's Warehouse District"
Loading Image...

So I went to Google Maps and ... it doesn't even acknowledge MLK BLVD in
Phoenix. What the Hell? So I go into street mode and start flying by ...
Aha!
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4069713,-
112.0296883,3a,75y,354.62h,95.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUwgk6y6TAqmFqhFRf6aMbg!2
e0!7i16384!8i8192
It's some honorary thing, just signs stuck along Broadway. The press ...
doesn't mention that.
That's near the East end. You can fly West all the way to 67th Ave or
something, and never see anything but salvage yards and huge swaths of dirt.
But at 19th Avenue, the Google Maps *does* start calling it MLK, although the
street signs never do.
And even the Google Maps reverts entirely to Broadway at 35th Avenue, corner
of this abandoned Church's Chicken and a seemingly endless wall around
nothing:
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4067977,-
112.0771941,3a,75y,266.23h,93.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spG955sBF2tFy_vLSjvLU5A!2
e0!7i16384!8i8192
Ah. It's a storage locker. And then nothing but desolation.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4067977,-
112.0771941,3a,75y,266.23h,93.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spG955sBF2tFy_vLSjvLU5A!2
e0!7i16384!8i8192
and then ... Martin Luther King's Way just unceremoniously ends
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4067977,-
112.0771941,3a,75y,266.23h,93.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spG955sBF2tFy_vLSjvLU5A!2
e0!7i16384!8i8192

[BTR1701]

Post by anim8rfsk
This is terrifying - from a page dedicated to"Best Wedding Venues In
Downtown's Warehouse District"
https://dtphx.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/the-croft-exterior.jpg

That's hilarious.

"Let's take our wedding pictures in an overgrown back alley in the
warehouse district!"

If they held the wedding in L.A., they could have the added bonus of a
vagrant masturbating in the background.

[anim8rfsk]

Post by BTR1701

Post by anim8rfsk
This is terrifying - from a page dedicated to"Best Wedding Venues In
Downtown's Warehouse District"
https://dtphx.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/the-croft-exterior.jpg

That's hilarious.
"Let's take our wedding pictures in an overgrown back alley in the
warehouse district!"

I just can't even imagine what the though process is there.

Post by BTR1701
If they held the wedding in L.A., they could have the added bonus of a
vagrant masturbating in the background.

lol

[FPP]

Post by BTR1701

Post by anim8rfsk
This is terrifying - from a page dedicated to"Best Wedding Venues In
Downtown's Warehouse District"
https://dtphx.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/the-croft-exterior.jpg

That's hilarious.
"Let's take our wedding pictures in an overgrown back alley in the
warehouse district!"
If they held the wedding in L.A., they could have the added bonus of a
vagrant masturbating in the background.

Is that your usual haunt?
--
Nuts that spent the last twenty years prepping their bunker to survive
indefinitely in a nuclear winter are giving up after wearing a thin
cloth mask for three weeks. LOL -Matt Haughey

"Leaders who have hidden in a bunker and gassed their own citizens
include Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler and Donald [Bunker Bitch] Trump." -
Ben Wexler
REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.

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[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Douglas Park Will Be Renamed For Frederick Douglass

So they just changed the park's first name? That's so stupid it's actually
amusing.

Both names; the two men spelled their last names differently. Someone
for the last couple of years has been adding the second "S" to the
park's signs. He doesn't use a stencil, though, and it's really obvious.

Post by anim8rfsk
They should have said it was named after the My Three Sons patriarch, and
left it 'Steven'

Hah

[The Horny Goat]

On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 16:17:57 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Douglas Park Will Be Renamed For Frederick Douglass

So they just changed the park's first name? That's so stupid it's actually
amusing.

Both names; the two men spelled their last names differently. Someone
for the last couple of years has been adding the second "S" to the
park's signs. He doesn't use a stencil, though, and it's really obvious.

Post by anim8rfsk
They should have said it was named after the My Three Sons patriarch, and
left it 'Steven'

Hah

That's horrible - surely if you're trying to honor somebody you should
make the effort to ensure you spell his name right? (And yes I agree
Douglass WAS worthy of honor which you DON'T give by spelling his name
wrong!)

[RichA]

"Because I stood by and did nothing."

[trotsky]

Post by RichA
"Because I stood by and did nothing."

Are you quoting somebody? What the fuck is that?

[BTR1701]

In article <rfe4qf$s1j$***@dont-email.me>,
"Adam H. Kerman" <***@chinet.com> wrote:
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.

That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?

One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

A child who died of some terrible disease? Even when Mary Poppins
measured herself, she was merely "practically perfect in every way".

[trotsky]

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Sure, if in your syphilitic mind if "absolutely perfect" means "not a
devotee of slavery" we'll go with that.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman
And it led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.

That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
. . .

For those of you denying history from, say, earlier this month, he's
referencing this news story.

Frederick Douglass statue vandalized on anniversary of his famous Fourth
of July Rochester speech
by Gary Craig Ryan Miller
Rochester Democrat and Chronicle

Updated 10:25 am ET 7/6/2020

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2020/07/05/frederick-douglass-statue-rochester-ny-removed-defaced-anniversary-july-4th-speech/5380432002/

[anim8rfsk]

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down

Yes. And Newcastle University should be defunded for admitting he stole his
thesis but letting him keep his doctorate.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Not if he's a guy it won't be.

[FPP]

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down

Yes. And Newcastle University should be defunded for admitting he stole his
thesis but letting him keep his doctorate.

More hypocritical love for 'con cancel culture' from the hypocrites who
absolutely HATE the 'lib'rulz cancel culture'.
--
Nuts that spent the last twenty years prepping their bunker to survive
indefinitely in a nuclear winter are giving up after wearing a thin
cloth mask for three weeks. LOL -Matt Haughey

"Leaders who have hidden in a bunker and gassed their own citizens
include Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler and Donald [Bunker Bitch] Trump." -
Ben Wexler
REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.

Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20

[BTR1701]

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down

Yes. And Newcastle University should be defunded for admitting he stole his
thesis but letting him keep his doctorate.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Not if he's a guy it won't be.

Fair point. Even a woman isn't 'intersectional' enough these days.

It'll probably have to be some purple-haired non-binary gender-queer
otherkin.

[Rhino]

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one was
decapitated.

Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

[suzeeq]

Post by Rhino

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one was
decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

[BTR1701]

Post by suzeeq

Post by Rhino

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one was
decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

The mobs have ripped down statues of Frederick Douglass, for goodness
sake. 'Progressive' mobs have never been known for their intellectual
prowess.

[anim8rfsk]

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Post by suzeeq

Post by Rhino

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one was
decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

The mobs have ripped down statues of Frederick Douglass, for goodness
sake. 'Progressive' mobs have never been known for their intellectual
prowess.

What about Oliver Wendell Douglass?

[Adam H. Kerman]

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t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he

never would

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have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights

in the 14th

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Post by Adam H. Kerman
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death

the nation

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was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would

indeed break

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out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not

arguing for

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abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to

remember.

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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued

that the

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enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house.

He's such

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Post by Rhino

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Post by Adam H. Kerman
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one was
decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

The mobs have ripped down statues of Frederick Douglass, for goodness
sake. 'Progressive' mobs have never been known for their intellectual
prowess.

What about Oliver Wendell Douglass?

He got torn down once a week over six television seasons on CBS!

[Rhino]

Post by BTR1701

Post by suzeeq

Post by Rhino

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one was
decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

The mobs have ripped down statues of Frederick Douglass, for goodness
sake. 'Progressive' mobs have never been known for their intellectual
prowess.

They defaced a statue of Joan of Arc last year, a woman who died before
Columbus had even discovered the Americas and had never owned a slave.

[FPP]

Post by Rhino

Post by BTR1701

Post by suzeeq

Post by Rhino

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one was
decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

The mobs have ripped down statues of Frederick Douglass, for goodness
sake. 'Progressive' mobs have never been known for their intellectual
prowess.

They defaced a statue of Joan of Arc last year, a woman who died before
Columbus had even discovered the Americas and had never owned a slave.

Man, how do you geniuses know who did these things when the authorities
don't?
Do you have a secret decoder ring like Thanny?
--
Nuts that spent the last twenty years prepping their bunker to survive
indefinitely in a nuclear winter are giving up after wearing a thin
cloth mask for three weeks. LOL -Matt Haughey

"Leaders who have hidden in a bunker and gassed their own citizens
include Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler and Donald [Bunker Bitch] Trump." -
Ben Wexler
REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.

Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20

[Rhino]

Post by FPP

Post by Rhino

Post by BTR1701

Post by suzeeq

Post by Rhino

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one was
decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

The mobs have ripped down statues of Frederick Douglass, for goodness
sake. 'Progressive' mobs have never been known for their intellectual
prowess.

They defaced a statue of Joan of Arc last year, a woman who died
before Columbus had even discovered the Americas and had never owned a
slave.

Man, how do you geniuses know who did these things when the authorities
don't?
Do you have a secret decoder ring like Thanny?

I'm not claiming to know the name of the person, just that it was done,
as anyone with a basic grasp of basic English should have been able to see.

[FPP]

Post by Rhino

Post by FPP

Post by Rhino

Post by BTR1701

Post by suzeeq

Post by Rhino

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one was
decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

The mobs have ripped down statues of Frederick Douglass, for goodness
sake. 'Progressive' mobs have never been known for their intellectual
prowess.

They defaced a statue of Joan of Arc last year, a woman who died
before Columbus had even discovered the Americas and had never owned
a slave.

Man, how do you geniuses know who did these things when the
authorities don't?
Do you have a secret decoder ring like Thanny?

I'm not claiming to know the name of the person, just that it was done,
as anyone with a basic grasp of basic English should have been able to see.

Thanny says: "The mobs have ripped down statues of Frederick Douglass,
for goodness sake. 'Progressive' mobs have never been known for their
intellectual prowess."

You chime in with: "They defaced a statue of Joan of Arc last year, a
woman who died before Columbus had even discovered the Americas and had
never owned a slave."

You know how English works, right? Who is the 'they' your post refers
to, if not the people directly preceding the comment you're replying to?
--
Nuts that spent the last twenty years prepping their bunker to survive
indefinitely in a nuclear winter are giving up after wearing a thin
cloth mask for three weeks. LOL -Matt Haughey

"Leaders who have hidden in a bunker and gassed their own citizens
include Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler and Donald [Bunker Bitch] Trump." -
Ben Wexler
REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.

Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20

[Rhino]

Post by FPP

Post by Rhino

Post by FPP

Post by Rhino

Post by BTR1701

Post by suzeeq

Post by Rhino

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one was
decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

The mobs have ripped down statues of Frederick Douglass, for goodness
sake. 'Progressive' mobs have never been known for their intellectual
prowess.

They defaced a statue of Joan of Arc last year, a woman who died
before Columbus had even discovered the Americas and had never owned
a slave.

Man, how do you geniuses know who did these things when the
authorities don't?
Do you have a secret decoder ring like Thanny?

I'm not claiming to know the name of the person, just that it was
done, as anyone with a basic grasp of basic English should have been
able to see.

Thanny says: "The mobs have ripped down statues of Frederick Douglass,
for goodness sake. 'Progressive' mobs have never been known for their
intellectual prowess."
You chime in with: "They defaced a statue of Joan of Arc last year, a
woman who died before Columbus had even discovered the Americas and had
never owned a slave."
You know how English works, right?  Who is the 'they' your post refers
to, if not the people directly preceding the comment you're replying to?

So your theory is that defacing Joan of Arc's statue was a completely
random act, unrelated to any of the other attacks on statues at the time
done by someone with a totally different reason, like a phobia about
French women on horses?

[FPP]

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Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one was
decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

The mobs have ripped down statues of Frederick Douglass, for goodness
sake. 'Progressive' mobs have never been known for their intellectual
prowess.

They defaced a statue of Joan of Arc last year, a woman who died
before Columbus had even discovered the Americas and had never
owned a slave.

Man, how do you geniuses know who did these things when the
authorities don't?
Do you have a secret decoder ring like Thanny?

I'm not claiming to know the name of the person, just that it was
done, as anyone with a basic grasp of basic English should have been
able to see.

Thanny says: "The mobs have ripped down statues of Frederick Douglass,
for goodness sake. 'Progressive' mobs have never been known for their
intellectual prowess."
You chime in with: "They defaced a statue of Joan of Arc last year, a
woman who died before Columbus had even discovered the Americas and
had never owned a slave."
You know how English works, right?  Who is the 'they' your post refers
to, if not the people directly preceding the comment you're replying to?

So your theory is that defacing Joan of Arc's statue was a completely
random act, unrelated to any of the other attacks on statues at the time
done by someone with a totally different reason, like a phobia about
French women on horses?

Yep. Monkey see, monkey do.
You have NO idea who did it, or why... same as me, same as the authorities.

Just because the Fuckwit says it's 'progressives' doesn't make it so.
People who are honest speak honestly about what they DO, and DO NOT know.

Or do you honestly think black people DO NOT know who Frederick Douglass
is, either?
Do you honestly believe he doesn't LOOK black enough to be recognized?

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"Leaders who have hidden in a bunker and gassed their own citizens
include Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler and Donald [Bunker Bitch] Trump." -
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one was
decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

The mobs have ripped down statues of Frederick Douglass, for goodness
sake. 'Progressive' mobs have never been known for their intellectual
prowess.

They defaced a statue of Joan of Arc last year, a woman who died before
Columbus had even discovered the Americas and had never owned a slave.

Well, she was white and Christian. That's more than enough for the mob to
cancel you.

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Post by Rhino

Post by BTR1701

Post by suzeeq

Post by Rhino

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one was
decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

The mobs have ripped down statues of Frederick Douglass, for goodness
sake. 'Progressive' mobs have never been known for their intellectual
prowess.

They defaced a statue of Joan of Arc last year, a woman who died before
Columbus had even discovered the Americas and had never owned a slave.

Well, she was white and Christian. That's more than enough for the mob to
cancel you.

Sure. Mob of conservatives, maybe.

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indefinitely in a nuclear winter are giving up after wearing a thin
cloth mask for three weeks. LOL -Matt Haughey

"Leaders who have hidden in a bunker and gassed their own citizens
include Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler and Donald [Bunker Bitch] Trump." -
Ben Wexler
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Post by Rhino

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Post by suzeeq

Post by Rhino

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never
would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the
14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the
nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed
break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to
remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one was
decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

The mobs have ripped down statues of Frederick Douglass, for goodness
sake. 'Progressive' mobs have never been known for their intellectual
prowess.

They defaced a statue of Joan of Arc last year, a woman who died before
Columbus had even discovered the Americas and had never owned a slave.

Well, she was white and Christian. That's more than enough for the mob to
cancel you.

She was Catholic, not Christian, or a pagan, or imaginary, depending on who
you ask.
And a virgin, according to fellow virgin Lelee Sobieski.

[suzeeq]

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by BTR1701

Post by Rhino

Post by BTR1701

Post by suzeeq

Post by Rhino

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one was
decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

The mobs have ripped down statues of Frederick Douglass, for goodness
sake. 'Progressive' mobs have never been known for their intellectual
prowess.

They defaced a statue of Joan of Arc last year, a woman who died before
Columbus had even discovered the Americas and had never owned a slave.

Well, she was white and Christian. That's more than enough for the mob to
cancel you.

She was Catholic, not Christian, or a pagan, or imaginary, depending on who
you ask.
And a virgin, according to fellow virgin Lelee Sobieski.

Mormons believe the Catholics are pagan. Actually, a lot of catholic
(later christianity in genereal) traditions were borrowed from 4th pagan
culture because it made Constantine's power grab for the church easier
if people didn't have to change their celebrations, just gave them
different names.

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Post by suzeeq

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by BTR1701

Post by Rhino

Post by BTR1701

Post by suzeeq

Post by Rhino

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of
Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never
would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the
14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the
nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed
break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing
for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to
remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that
the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's
such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one
was
decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

The mobs have ripped down statues of Frederick Douglass, for goodness
sake. 'Progressive' mobs have never been known for their intellectual
prowess.

They defaced a statue of Joan of Arc last year, a woman who died before
Columbus had even discovered the Americas and had never owned a slave.

Well, she was white and Christian. That's more than enough for the mob to
cancel you.

She was Catholic, not Christian, or a pagan, or imaginary, depending on who
you ask.
And a virgin, according to fellow virgin Lelee Sobieski.

Mormons believe the Catholics are pagan.

The Ecumenical Council says Catholics *and* Mormons aren't Christian, because
they have another book they believe in over the Bible.
Apparently there's a recurring fight at the Christian trades fairs whether to
let Catholics have a booth.

I look at it like being a member of the Elk's Lodge. It doesn't matter what
*I* say, it's what *they* say.

Post by suzeeq
Actually, a lot of catholic
(later christianity in genereal) traditions were borrowed from 4th pagan
culture because it made Constantine's power grab for the church easier
if people didn't have to change their celebrations, just gave them
different names.

[suzeeq]

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by suzeeq

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by BTR1701

Post by Rhino

Post by BTR1701

Post by suzeeq

Post by Rhino

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one was
decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

The mobs have ripped down statues of Frederick Douglass, for goodness
sake. 'Progressive' mobs have never been known for their intellectual
prowess.

They defaced a statue of Joan of Arc last year, a woman who died before
Columbus had even discovered the Americas and had never owned a slave.

Well, she was white and Christian. That's more than enough for the mob to
cancel you.

She was Catholic, not Christian, or a pagan, or imaginary, depending on who
you ask.
And a virgin, according to fellow virgin Lelee Sobieski.

Mormons believe the Catholics are pagan.

The Ecumenical Council says Catholics *and* Mormons aren't Christian, because
they have another book they believe in over the Bible.

Which book do the Catholics believe over the bible? I was raised in the
religion and never heard of it.

Post by anim8rfsk
Apparently there's a recurring fight at the Christian trades fairs whether to
let Catholics have a booth.
I look at it like being a member of the Elk's Lodge. It doesn't matter what
*I* say, it's what *they* say.

Post by suzeeq
Actually, a lot of catholic
(later christianity in genereal) traditions were borrowed from 4th pagan
culture because it made Constantine's power grab for the church easier
if people didn't have to change their celebrations, just gave them
different names.

[anim8rfsk]

Censorship day here in Chicago
July 25, 2020 at 10:33:11 PM MST

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by suzeeq

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Post by Rhino

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of
Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates,
even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never
would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and
legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the
14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of
slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the
nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed
break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease
the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing
for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to
remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that
the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's
such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in
the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and
that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect
from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one
was
decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

The mobs have ripped down statues of Frederick Douglass, for goodness
sake. 'Progressive' mobs have never been known for their intellectual
prowess.

They defaced a statue of Joan of Arc last year, a woman who died before
Columbus had even discovered the Americas and had never owned a slave.

Well, she was white and Christian. That's more than enough for the mob to
cancel you.

She was Catholic, not Christian, or a pagan, or imaginary, depending on who
you ask.
And a virgin, according to fellow virgin Lelee Sobieski.

Mormons believe the Catholics are pagan.

The Ecumenical Council says Catholics *and* Mormons aren't Christian, because
they have another book they believe in over the Bible.

Which book do the Catholics believe over the bible? I was raised in the
religion and never heard of it.

I misspoke.
In the case of the Mormons it's literally another separate book. For the
Catholics, they have a 'long form' Bible with some extra books (open to
argument) but the big reason they get in trouble at the trade fairs is that
they believe in the trinity the wrong way (eyes glazing over); something
about if it's three different beings with one divine nature, or
consubstantial. There's a subset of the argument that says Catholics are
Christian but not Protestant because of this.
But nobody but Mormons claims Mormons are Christian.

[suzeeq]

Post by anim8rfsk

Censorship day here in Chicago
July 25, 2020 at 10:33:11 PM MST

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by suzeeq

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Post by suzeeq

Post by Rhino

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never
would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the
14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the
nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed
break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing
for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to
remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that
the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's
such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one was
decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

The mobs have ripped down statues of Frederick Douglass, for goodness
sake. 'Progressive' mobs have never been known for their intellectual
prowess.

They defaced a statue of Joan of Arc last year, a woman who died before
Columbus had even discovered the Americas and had never owned a slave.

Well, she was white and Christian. That's more than enough for the mob to
cancel you.

She was Catholic, not Christian, or a pagan, or imaginary, depending on who
you ask.
And a virgin, according to fellow virgin Lelee Sobieski.

Mormons believe the Catholics are pagan.

The Ecumenical Council says Catholics *and* Mormons aren't Christian, because
they have another book they believe in over the Bible.

Which book do the Catholics believe over the bible? I was raised in the
religion and never heard of it.

I misspoke.
In the case of the Mormons it's literally another separate book. For the
Catholics, they have a 'long form' Bible with some extra books (open to

And in a different order than the KJ version.

Post by anim8rfsk
argument) but the big reason they get in trouble at the trade fairs is that
they believe in the trinity the wrong way (eyes glazing over); something
about if it's three different beings with one divine nature, or
consubstantial. There's a subset of the argument that says Catholics are
Christian but not Protestant because of this.

Of course the catholics are christian but not protestant because the
catholic church was the one being protested against.

Post by anim8rfsk
But nobody but Mormons claims Mormons are Christian.

Those who know, yes.

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Post by Rhino
They defaced a statue of Joan of Arc last year, a woman who died
before Columbus had even discovered the Americas and had never
owned a slave.

Well, she was white and Christian. That's more than enough for the mob
to cancel you.

She was Catholic, not Christian, or a pagan, or imaginary, depending on
who you ask. And a virgin, according to fellow virgin Lelee Sobieski.

Mormons believe the Catholics are pagan.

The Ecumenical Council says Catholics *and* Mormons aren't Christian,
because they have another book they believe in over the Bible.

What other book do the Catholics have?

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Post by Rhino
They defaced a statue of Joan of Arc last year, a woman who died
before Columbus had even discovered the Americas and had never
owned a slave.

Well, she was white and Christian. That's more than enough for the mob
to cancel you.

She was Catholic, not Christian, or a pagan, or imaginary, depending on
who you ask. And a virgin, according to fellow virgin Lelee Sobieski.

Mormons believe the Catholics are pagan.

The Ecumenical Council says Catholics *and* Mormons aren't Christian,
because they have another book they believe in over the Bible.

What other book do the Catholics have?

I answered suzeeq already: I misspoke.

Mormons aren't Christians because they believe the Book of Mormon trumps the
Holy Bible.

Catholics aren't Christians (or Protestants, depending on who you ask)
because the worship the Trinity incorrectly. Plus they have 7 extra books in
their long form Bible. Again depending on who you ask.

[FPP]

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Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one was
decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

The mobs have ripped down statues of Frederick Douglass, for goodness
sake. 'Progressive' mobs have never been known for their intellectual
prowess.

As accurate and truthful as you ever get.

"But in the two days since the Rochester police began their
investigation, and as prominent leaders have linked the destruction to a
variety of ideological motivations, it was still unclear who vandalized
the statue or why.

Nor do the authorities know whether the historically noteworthy timing
was intentional or merely coincidence.

“We’re still looking into it,” Jacqueline Shuman, a police spokeswoman,
said. “We don’t have anything that suggests that it’s related to any of
that."

Once again, Thanny proves to be THE consummate bullshit artist.

"As President Donald Trump and others pointed at possible culprits,
Rochester Police Chief La’Ron Singletary cautioned that investigators
still don’t why the “disheartening” act of vandalism occurred.

“Right now, for me to guess would be pure speculation,” Singletary told
reporters at a news conference."

For the life of me, I don't know why people don't believe YOU have a law
enforcement/legal background... I mean, with all the access to intel
nobody else has, and all.
--
Nuts that spent the last twenty years prepping their bunker to survive
indefinitely in a nuclear winter are giving up after wearing a thin
cloth mask for three weeks. LOL -Matt Haughey

"Leaders who have hidden in a bunker and gassed their own citizens
include Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler and Donald [Bunker Bitch] Trump." -
Ben Wexler
REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.

Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20

[BTR1701]

Post by FPP

Post by BTR1701

Post by suzeeq

Post by Rhino

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one was
decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

The mobs have ripped down statues of Frederick Douglass, for goodness
sake. 'Progressive' mobs have never been known for their intellectual
prowess.

As accurate and truthful as you ever get.
"But in the two days since the Rochester police began their
investigation, and as prominent leaders have linked the destruction to a
variety of ideological motivations, it was still unclear who vandalized
the statue or why.
Nor do the authorities know whether the historically noteworthy timing
was intentional or merely coincidence.
“We’re still looking into it,” Jacqueline Shuman, a police spokeswoman,
said. “We don’t have anything that suggests that it’s related to any of
that."
Once again, Thanny proves to be THE consummate bullshit artist.
"As President Donald Trump and others pointed at possible culprits,
Rochester Police Chief La’Ron Singletary cautioned that investigators
still don’t why the “disheartening” act of vandalism occurred.
“Right now, for me to guess would be pure speculation,” Singletary told
reporters at a news conference."
For the life of me, I don't know why people don't believe YOU have a law
enforcement/legal background...

For the life of me, the only person here who seems obsessed with it or ever
even comments on it at all is you.

[FPP]

Post by BTR1701

Post by FPP

Post by BTR1701

Post by suzeeq

Post by Rhino

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one was
decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

The mobs have ripped down statues of Frederick Douglass, for goodness
sake. 'Progressive' mobs have never been known for their intellectual
prowess.

As accurate and truthful as you ever get.
"But in the two days since the Rochester police began their
investigation, and as prominent leaders have linked the destruction to a
variety of ideological motivations, it was still unclear who vandalized
the statue or why.
Nor do the authorities know whether the historically noteworthy timing
was intentional or merely coincidence.
“We’re still looking into it,” Jacqueline Shuman, a police spokeswoman,
said. “We don’t have anything that suggests that it’s related to any of
that."
Once again, Thanny proves to be THE consummate bullshit artist.
"As President Donald Trump and others pointed at possible culprits,
Rochester Police Chief La’Ron Singletary cautioned that investigators
still don’t why the “disheartening” act of vandalism occurred.
“Right now, for me to guess would be pure speculation,” Singletary told
reporters at a news conference."
For the life of me, I don't know why people don't believe YOU have a law
enforcement/legal background...

For the life of me, the only person here who seems obsessed with it or ever
even comments on it at all is you.

Well, you DO prominently display it on your Twitter page - so you
obviously mean for everybody to know it. You're not hiding your light
under a bushel basket.

And then there's Rhino...
--
Nuts that spent the last twenty years prepping their bunker to survive
indefinitely in a nuclear winter are giving up after wearing a thin
cloth mask for three weeks. LOL -Matt Haughey

"Leaders who have hidden in a bunker and gassed their own citizens
include Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler and Donald [Bunker Bitch] Trump." -
Ben Wexler
REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.

Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20

[FPP]

Post by FPP

Post by BTR1701

Post by FPP

Post by BTR1701

Post by suzeeq

Post by Rhino

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one was
decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

The mobs have ripped down statues of Frederick Douglass, for goodness
sake. 'Progressive' mobs have never been known for their intellectual
prowess.

As accurate and truthful as you ever get.
"But in the two days since the Rochester police began their
investigation, and as prominent leaders have linked the destruction to a
variety of ideological motivations, it was still unclear who vandalized
the statue or why.
Nor do the authorities know whether the historically noteworthy timing
was intentional or merely coincidence.
“We’re still looking into it,” Jacqueline Shuman, a police spokeswoman,
said. “We don’t have anything that suggests that it’s related to any of
that."
Once again, Thanny proves to be THE consummate bullshit artist.
"As President Donald Trump and others pointed at possible culprits,
Rochester Police Chief La’Ron Singletary cautioned that investigators
still don’t why the “disheartening” act of vandalism occurred.
“Right now, for me to guess would be pure speculation,” Singletary told
reporters at a news conference."
For the life of me, I don't know why people don't believe YOU have a law
enforcement/legal background...

For the life of me, the only person here who seems obsessed with it or ever
even comments on it at all is you.

Well, you DO prominently display it on your Twitter page - so you
obviously mean for everybody to know it.  You're not hiding your light
under a bushel basket.
And then there's Rhino...

Oh... and I LOVED when you accused Gov. Whitmer of 'authoritarianism',
but haven't managed to say anything about unmarked, Federal troops
scooping up Americans without probable cause and kidnapping them in
unmarked vans on the streets of Portland.

Really... do you know what 'authoritarianism' is? And who is exhibiting it?
(Hint: "Then, I have an Article II, where I have to the right to do
whatever I want as president.")
--
Nuts that spent the last twenty years prepping their bunker to survive
indefinitely in a nuclear winter are giving up after wearing a thin
cloth mask for three weeks. LOL -Matt Haughey

"Leaders who have hidden in a bunker and gassed their own citizens
include Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler and Donald [Bunker Bitch] Trump." -
Ben Wexler
REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.

Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by BTR1701

Post by FPP

Post by BTR1701

Post by suzeeq

Post by Rhino

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one was
decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

The mobs have ripped down statues of Frederick Douglass, for goodness
sake. 'Progressive' mobs have never been known for their intellectual
prowess.

As accurate and truthful as you ever get.
"But in the two days since the Rochester police began their
investigation, and as prominent leaders have linked the destruction to a
variety of ideological motivations, it was still unclear who vandalized
the statue or why.
Nor do the authorities know whether the historically noteworthy timing
was intentional or merely coincidence.
"We're still looking into it," Jacqueline Shuman, a police spokeswoman,
said. "We don't have anything that suggests that it's related to any
of that."
Once again, Thanny proves to be THE consummate bullshit artist.
"As President Donald Trump and others pointed at possible culprits,
Rochester Police Chief La'Ron Singletary cautioned that investigators
still don't why the "disheartening" act of vandalism occurred.
"Right now, for me to guess would be pure speculation," Singletary told
reporters at a news conference."
For the life of me, I don't know why people don't believe YOU have a law
enforcement/legal background...

For the life of me, the only person here who seems obsessed with it or ever
even comments on it at all is you.

I'm rather confused how it is that the Rochester police don't have a
theory on why the statue was vandalized on that particular date, the
anniversary of one of Douglass's speaches given at that very location.

Wouldn't a detective investigating the crime note the anniversary,
taking it as a clue, using it to develop the theory of the crime?

All the police spokesperson had to do was lay out the facts without
stating a conclusion and especially without stating "We don't know why"
given that that's got to be the working theory.

[FPP]

Post by BTR1701

Post by suzeeq

Post by Rhino

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one was
decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

The mobs have ripped down statues of Frederick Douglass, for goodness
sake. 'Progressive' mobs have never been known for their intellectual
prowess.

Oh, look! The 'progressive mobs' have a time machine!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/16/frederick-douglass-2-who-vandalized-ny-statue-help-install-new-one/5451277002/
--
Nuts that spent the last twenty years prepping their bunker to survive
indefinitely in a nuclear winter are giving up after wearing a thin
cloth mask for three weeks. LOL -Matt Haughey

"Leaders who have hidden in a bunker and gassed their own citizens
include Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler and Donald [Bunker Bitch] Trump." -
Ben Wexler
REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.

Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20

[Rhino]

Post by suzeeq

Post by Rhino

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one
was decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

Perhaps it was because he had served in the military - the 101st
Airborne! Or maybe someone didn't like the way he played guitars "upside
down"....

[suzeeq]

Post by Rhino

Post by suzeeq

Post by Rhino

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one
was decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

Perhaps it was because he had served in the military - the 101st
Airborne! Or maybe someone didn't like the way he played guitars "upside
down"....

They've got a sizable Jimi museum at Seattle Center.

[Rhino]

Post by suzeeq

Post by Rhino

Post by suzeeq

Post by Rhino

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one
was decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the
protest. Figure that out.

Perhaps it was because he had served in the military - the 101st
Airborne! Or maybe someone didn't like the way he played guitars
"upside down"....

They've got a sizable Jimi museum at Seattle Center.

That would have been a good reason for me to visit Seattle once upon a
time but I'm not sure I'd go within 50 miles of the city at this point,
at least until order is restored - if it ever is.

What did the graffiti on his statue actually say? Or was it just
indecipherable scribbling?

[anim8rfsk]

Post by Rhino

Post by suzeeq

Post by Rhino

Post by suzeeq

Post by Rhino

Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never
would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in
the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the
nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed
break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not
arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to
remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued
that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's
such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one
was decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the
protest. Figure that out.

Perhaps it was because he had served in the military - the 101st
Airborne! Or maybe someone didn't like the way he played guitars
"upside down"....

They've got a sizable Jimi museum at Seattle Center.

That would have been a good reason for me to visit Seattle once upon a
time but I'm not sure I'd go within 50 miles of the city at this point,
at least until order is restored - if it ever is.
What did the graffiti on his statue actually say? Or was it just
indecipherable scribbling?

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/vandals-give-hendrix-statue-the-
blues-suspects-caught-after-leaving-trail-of-graffiti/

Funny article with photo.

[Rhino]

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t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one
was decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the
protest. Figure that out.

Perhaps it was because he had served in the military - the 101st
Airborne! Or maybe someone didn't like the way he played guitars
"upside down"....

They've got a sizable Jimi museum at Seattle Center.

That would have been a good reason for me to visit Seattle once upon a
time but I'm not sure I'd go within 50 miles of the city at this point,
at least until order is restored - if it ever is.
What did the graffiti on his statue actually say? Or was it just
indecipherable scribbling?

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/vandals-give-hendrix-statue-the-
blues-suspects-caught-after-leaving-trail-of-graffiti/
Funny article with photo.

The two graffitists would give Ocrazio and Hank Green, who feared Guam
tipping over, a run for the title of the stupidest Congresscritter ever
if they could get elected....

[FPP]

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t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one
was decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the
protest. Figure that out.

Perhaps it was because he had served in the military - the 101st
Airborne! Or maybe someone didn't like the way he played guitars
"upside down"....

They've got a sizable Jimi museum at Seattle Center.

That would have been a good reason for me to visit Seattle once upon a
time but I'm not sure I'd go within 50 miles of the city at this point,
at least until order is restored - if it ever is.
What did the graffiti on his statue actually say? Or was it just
indecipherable scribbling?

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/vandals-give-hendrix-statue-the-
blues-suspects-caught-after-leaving-trail-of-graffiti/
Funny article with photo.

The two graffitists would give Ocrazio and Hank Green, who feared Guam
tipping over, a run for the title of the stupidest Congresscritter ever
if they could get elected....

Louie Gohmert. Hands down.

"GOP's Gohmert introduces resolution that would ban the Democratic Party"

Seriously, that was 2 days ago.
Some other fucking gems, from the Dean of Morons:

"So when [caribou] want to go on a date, they invite each other to head
over to the pipeline. ... So my real concern now [is] if oil stops
running through the pipeline ... do we need a study to see how adversely
the caribou would be affected if that warm oil ever quit flowing?"

"After the massacre in Aurora, Colo., Gohmert determined that the cause
of James Holmes's rampage wasn't, say, mental health issues, or some
form of social trigger -- but, rather, that he didn't have the
appropriate fear of a vengeful, unforgiving God."

"He nominated Florida Rep. Allen West as Speaker of the House ... after
West had already lost his reelection bid."

On the Obama administration: "This administration has so many Muslim
Brotherhood members that have influence that they just are making wrong
decisions for America." But when asked, he couldn't name a single one.

Gohmert is convinced, all evidence otherwise, that there are terrorist
organizations -- somewhere, somehow -- concocting schemes to send their
pregnant Black Widows to our American shores, spawning natural-born
terrorists, and then using them and their US Citizenship Cards, decades
on, to decimate the land we call home: "[The children] could be raised
and coddled as future terrorists [and] twenty, thirty years down the
road, they can be sent in to help destroy our way of life."

Once again, he can't cite a single case, or a single intel report that
says that has ever happened.

And let's not forget that he told Eric Holder (in a congressional
hearing) not to be 'casting aspersions on my asparagus' - and that's a
quote. Want more?

https://hornet.com/stories/7-batshit-craziest-statements-texas-rep-louie-gohmert/
--
Nuts that spent the last twenty years prepping their bunker to survive
indefinitely in a nuclear winter are giving up after wearing a thin
cloth mask for three weeks. LOL -Matt Haughey

"Leaders who have hidden in a bunker and gassed their own citizens
include Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler and Donald [Bunker Bitch] Trump." -
Ben Wexler
REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.

Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20

[suzeeq]

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t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one
was decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the
protest. Figure that out.

Perhaps it was because he had served in the military - the 101st
Airborne! Or maybe someone didn't like the way he played guitars
"upside down"....

They've got a sizable Jimi museum at Seattle Center.

That would have been a good reason for me to visit Seattle once upon a
time but I'm not sure I'd go within 50 miles of the city at this point,
at least until order is restored - if it ever is.
What did the graffiti on his statue actually say? Or was it just
indecipherable scribbling?

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/vandals-give-hendrix-statue-the-
blues-suspects-caught-after-leaving-trail-of-graffiti/
Funny article with photo.

Yeah, that's the picture I saw.

[suzeeq]

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Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think
one was decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently
still standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the
protest. Figure that out.

Perhaps it was because he had served in the military - the 101st
Airborne! Or maybe someone didn't like the way he played guitars
"upside down"....

They've got a sizable Jimi museum at Seattle Center.

That would have been a good reason for me to visit Seattle once upon a
time but I'm not sure I'd go within 50 miles of the city at this point,
at least until order is restored - if it ever is.

It's a portion of the Museum of Pop Culture (http://www.mopop.org/),
which has exhibits on a lot of musicians in general, a great guitar
exhibit, and some Seattle based groups. They had an exhibit on women in
popular music when I was there. It's not open now anyway, but maybe in a
couple years.

Post by Rhino
What did the graffiti on his statue actually say? Or was it just
indecipherable scribbling?

I guess this was several years ago and not related to the BLm protests.
The first I saw it was posted on FB a few weeks ago.

[FPP]

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Post by Adam H. Kerman
t led to renaming a regional public park for Frederick Douglass.
That doesn't matter. The mob has been tearing down statues of Douglass,
too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Lincoln became a critical national figure thanks to the debates, even
though he lost the race for U.S. Senate. Had Lincoln won, he never would
have become president. This led to secession and Civil War, and legal
abolition of slavery in the 13th Amendment, and civil rights in the 14th
and 15 amendments, Reconstruction, etc.
Much of the debate between the two men concerned expansion of slavery
into the territories.
For those of you who have put out of mind how scared to death the nation
was in the years leading up to the Civil War that war would indeed break
out, Douglas wanted to continue political compromises to appease the
South because he thought it would prevent war. Lincoln, not arguing for
abolition, wanted no further expansion of slavery.
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.
Michael Madigan, speaker of the House for four decades, argued that the
enormous portrait of Douglas be removed from the state house. He's such
a reformer. Well, read about the Commonwealth Edison admission of
bribing him in a recent filing by the federal prosecutor.

I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one
was decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

Perhaps it was because he had served in the military - the 101st
Airborne! Or maybe someone didn't like the way he played guitars "upside
down"....

Or they were drunk, like the guys who vandalized the Frederick Douglas
statue.

'Hanlon's Razor', and all...
--
Nuts that spent the last twenty years prepping their bunker to survive
indefinitely in a nuclear winter are giving up after wearing a thin
cloth mask for three weeks. LOL -Matt Haughey

"Leaders who have hidden in a bunker and gassed their own citizens
include Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler and Donald [Bunker Bitch] Trump." -
Ben Wexler
REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.

Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20

[The Horny Goat]

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Post by Rhino
Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one was
decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

Of the three mentioned Hendrix is of course the only one from Seattle
and no I don't get the vandalism of his statue either.

[FPP]

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Post by Rhino
Even perfection is not likely good enough. Apparently, there have
already been some statues of Jesus vandalized in the US; I think one was
decapitated.
Strangely enough, the statue of Lenin in Seattle is apparently still
standing despite all the blood on Lenin's hands.

Yeah, but the sculpture of Jimi Hendrix got graffitied in the protest.
Figure that out.

Of the three mentioned Hendrix is of course the only one from Seattle
and no I don't get the vandalism of his statue either.

Well, at least they didn't spell it "Jimmy Hendrix"...
--
History will show when Tyranny came to the streets of America, the 3%,
Militiamen and Gun Nuts, who like to dress up as GI Joe in tactical
gear, were nowhere to be seen.
But a bunch of Moms dressed in yellow, wearing bicycle helmets, stood
tall. - Rob Chappell

"Leaders who have hidden in a bunker and gassed their own citizens
include Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler and Donald [Bunker Bitch] Trump." -
Ben Wexler
REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.

Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20

[The Horny Goat]

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I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

I dunno - 2000 years ago St Paul told a group of early Christians that
the last perfect man got crucified for his efforts so where did they
think they had a right to better treatment.

2000 years later the question is still valid.

(Sure that's a paraphrase, and a religious one at that but St Paul
really did say words to more or less that effect)

[Adam H. Kerman]

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Post by BTR1701
I wonder if the statue of MLK on the Mall should be torn down in the
name of #MeToo? I mean, by all reports, for all the good he did in the
arena of racial civil rights, King treated women appallingly. So no
matter what good he may have done, his image causes offense and that's
the most important thing now, right?
One of these days, we'll find a person who was absolutely perfect from
birth to death and it'll be safe to put up a statue of that guy.

I dunno - 2000 years ago St Paul told a group of early Christians that
the last perfect man got crucified for his efforts so where did they
think they had a right to better treatment.
2000 years later the question is still valid.
(Sure that's a paraphrase, and a religious one at that but St Paul
really did say words to more or less that effect)

Is that story in the Book of Mormon?

[The Horny Goat]

On Sun, 26 Jul 2020 23:34:41 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by The Horny Goat
(Sure that's a paraphrase, and a religious one at that but St Paul
really did say words to more or less that effect)

Is that story in the Book of Mormon?

I'm pretty sure St Paul doesn't appear in the Book of Mormon.

If you're seriously interested I can look up chapter and verse for you
but I assure you what I said is more or less a direct quote and is
definitely Christian orthodoxy.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by The Horny Goat

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by The Horny Goat
(Sure that's a paraphrase, and a religious one at that but St Paul
really did say words to more or less that effect)

Is that story in the Book of Mormon?

I'm pretty sure St Paul doesn't appear in the Book of Mormon.

I'm making a joke about Mormons not believing in Catholics.

Post by The Horny Goat
If you're seriously interested I can look up chapter and verse for you
but I assure you what I said is more or less a direct quote and is
definitely Christian orthodoxy.

I did a quick search and can't find it. If you recall, sure, please post it.

[suzeeq]

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by The Horny Goat

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by The Horny Goat
(Sure that's a paraphrase, and a religious one at that but St Paul
really did say words to more or less that effect)

Is that story in the Book of Mormon?

I'm pretty sure St Paul doesn't appear in the Book of Mormon.

I'm making a joke about Mormons not believing in Catholics.

Post by The Horny Goat
If you're seriously interested I can look up chapter and verse for you
but I assure you what I said is more or less a direct quote and is
definitely Christian orthodoxy.

I did a quick search and can't find it. If you recall, sure, please post it.

It's in one of the Epistles, Paul talking about his conversion on the
road to Damascus to break up those pesky followers of Yosua.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by suzeeq

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by The Horny Goat

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by The Horny Goat
(Sure that's a paraphrase, and a religious one at that but St Paul
really did say words to more or less that effect)

Is that story in the Book of Mormon?

I'm pretty sure St Paul doesn't appear in the Book of Mormon.

I'm making a joke about Mormons not believing in Catholics.

Post by The Horny Goat
If you're seriously interested I can look up chapter and verse for you
but I assure you what I said is more or less a direct quote and is
definitely Christian orthodoxy.

I did a quick search and can't find it. If you recall, sure, please post it.

It's in one of the Epistles, Paul talking about his conversion on the
road to Damascus to break up those pesky followers of Yosua.

Thanks

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by Adam H. Kerman
. . .
Mary Ann Ahern (on-air reporter, NBC O&O WMAQ-TV)
@MaryAnnAhernNBC
in Grant Park taken down and another Columbus statue in LIttle Italy
too. Sources say it will happen after 11pm tonight. So far, no
comment mayor's office. Will update. (Sound familiar? Meigs Field)
9:00 PM - Jul 23, 2020
https://twitter.com/MaryAnnAhernNBC/status/1286481416612700160
Mayor Lori Lightfoot planning to remove Christopher Columbus statue from
Chicago's Grant Park
By Gregory Pratt and Peter Nickeas
Chicago Tribune
Jul 23, 2020 at 9:10 PM
https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-chicago-christopher-columbus-statue-grant-park-lori-lightfoot-20200724-2hsbobbt7ndmpmkgyh6vfl7cvq-story.html
. . .

For those of you who would celebrate victory for censorship, here's
video of the removal of the statue from Grant Park.

For those of you who favor free speech and free press, well, just shut
the fuck up. Sit on your hands. Turn your back. Hide under the covers.

You don't want to live in a free society enough to fight for freedom, do
you. "The Talliban have already won."

[b***@gmail.com]

If people are allowing themselves to be
monstered like this, then that's their problem.

I'm not changing for anyone, and most people
won't either.

To the "wokes": Suck it up, buttercup!

[Adam H. Kerman]

Is there any legal way to file a police complaint? The two statues
weren't removed via any sort of public process. It's got to be an
illegal order by the mayor. She may have forced a flunky at the park
district to sign off, though, as it's technically "independent".

The park district board was clever enough to create a pubic process for
renaming parks so it won't happen immediately.

Stolen property complaint? Failure of public service?

Missing person?

At the very least, stolen history is an academic crime.

[BTR1701]

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Is there any legal way to file a police complaint? The two statues
weren't removed via any sort of public process. It's got to be an
illegal order by the mayor. She may have forced a flunky at the park
district to sign off, though, as it's technically "independent".
The park district board was clever enough to create a pubic process for
renaming parks so it won't happen immediately.
Stolen property complaint? Failure of public service?
Missing person?
At the very least, stolen history is an academic crime.

You'd have to research what the proper process for removing a statue or
other piece of public art is. Then see if they followed it, which they
almost certainly did not-- all laws are suspended if the cause is woke
enough, dontcha know-- then file suit against the city for failing to
follow its own laws.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Is there any legal way to file a police complaint? The two statues
weren't removed via any sort of public process. It's got to be an
illegal order by the mayor. She may have forced a flunky at the park
district to sign off, though, as it's technically "independent".
The park district board was clever enough to create a pubic process for
renaming parks so it won't happen immediately.
Stolen property complaint? Failure of public service?
Missing person?
At the very least, stolen history is an academic crime.

You'd have to research what the proper process for removing a statue or
other piece of public art is. Then see if they followed it, which they
almost certainly did not-- all laws are suspended if the cause is woke
enough, dontcha know-- then file suit against the city for failing to
follow its own laws.

So Mayor Lightfoot said today that police intelligence sources said
there would be an attack on police by the Columbus statue, probably in
Grant Park, hence her public safety claim. It doesn't explain the one
that got removed in the other park, with no protestors.

Couldn't they have put fencing around the one in Grant Park? Every year
for concerts they put up very tall fencing at the park perimeter to
force people to pay to get in. It sure doesn't explain her actions.

[kensi]

Post by Adam H. Kerman
July 23, 2020
I have had my country's history stolen from me today.

...

Post by Adam H. Kerman
in Grant Park taken down and another Columbus statue in LIttle Italy
too.

Oh dear Gh0d! The city is choosing to cease to engage in a particular
bit of speech the same city previously chose to engage in! Therefore YOU
are being silenced!!1!

... oh, wait.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
[stuff about Lincoln and Douglas]
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.

Odd, then, that you seem to have no problem doing so. Are they erasing
Douglas and his debates with Lincoln from all the textbooks? Are there
pyres of books in front of the libraries, schools, and universities? No?
Then I think you may be overreacting just a bit, Verman.

There is a difference between remembering someone and honoring them.
Ceasing to do the latter is not ceasing to do the former and is
certainly not censorship unless the state is forcing private citizens
not to honor them. Is there any evidence that the state is demanding
anything of the sort? Did they order a statue of Columbus or of Douglas
on private land to be removed or anything of the sort? No? Then there is
no government censorship here and no 1st Amendment violation. There's
just a decision you disagree with, arrived at by majority rule. AKA you
losing an argument fair and square. And then, to judge by your Usenet
whining, spectacularly failing to handle that like a mature adult.

(103-line rant!)

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by kensi

Post by Adam H. Kerman
July 23, 2020
I have had my country's history stolen from me today.

...

Post by Adam H. Kerman
in Grant Park taken down and another Columbus statue in LIttle Italy
too.

Oh dear Gh0d! The city is choosing to cease to engage in a particular
bit of speech the same city previously chose to engage in! Therefore YOU
are being silenced!!1!
... oh, wait.

Sigh

I've been a moron letting myself get trolled by you for the last several
weeks. I write one thing. I literally quoted what a news reporter had
written and cited it correctly. You quote edit and remove the citation
and THEN claim something else entirely different had been written.

"The city" didn't make any such choice. That was Mayor Lori Lightfoot
ordering the park district, a separate unit of government, two remove
two statues. There was no public discussion. There was no notice. She
just got scared that police and protestor confrontations had gotten a
little violent. For some reason, the police made no arrests despite
vandalism and destruction taking place before their eyes.

And the police kept getting blamed for more and more aggressive tactics
taken by vandals. The ones committing vandalism aren't protestors
exercising speech rights.

Post by kensi

Post by Adam H. Kerman
[stuff about Lincoln and Douglas]
This stuff is critical history, but we're no longer allowed to remember.

Odd, then, that you seem to have no problem doing so. Are they erasing
Douglas and his debates with Lincoln from all the textbooks?

The way history is taught in public schools can indeed be fraught with
politics. Legislatures are known to mandate "mentioning", which textbook
pubishers love as they get to sell replacement books. Funny how history
can get outdated.

I don't know what you were taught in yarn school when you were merely a
thread. Here in America, every school child is taught the importance of
the Lincoln-Douglas debates (1858). I personally did additional reading
and, one year, attended the recreation of the debate in Freeport. It
was the most important of the debates and the one in which Lincoln took
a specific public position that the South used as the impetus to start
the Civil War when Lincoln ran for president in 1860.

I have no idea what kids are taught about the importance of Lincoln and
Douglas today.

Post by kensi
Are there pyres of books in front of the libraries, schools, and
universities? No? Then I think you may be overreacting just a bit,
Verman.

I wrote about a specific instance of censorship, not hypothetical
instances of censorship.

An ad hominem attack doesn't disguise the fact that you didn't actually
argue that this wasn't an instance of censorship.

Post by kensi
There is a difference between remembering someone and honoring them.

There's that straw man thing. I've been arguing all along that statues
are commemorative. "Honor" is an opinion, which may have been the intent
of those who erected the statue but doesn't bind anyone viewing it years
later. Nevertheless, it's important to commemorate historical figures.

For those whose brains have turned to mush, I'm using "commemorate" in
terms of remembering. Yes, there are definitions of the word that also
include "honoring", but that's not the one I'm using, which should have
been clear from context.

Post by kensi
Ceasing to do the latter is not ceasing to do the former and is
certainly not censorship unless the state is forcing private citizens
not to honor them. Is there any evidence that the state is demanding
anything of the sort? Did they order a statue of Columbus or of Douglas
on private land to be removed or anything of the sort? No? Then there is
no government censorship here and no 1st Amendment violation.

Suppression of speech by government action... I could have sworn we had
a word for that.

Post by kensi
There's just a decision you disagree with, arrived at by majority rule.

Majority rule? No, it was just the mayor's orders. That would be one
person committing an act exceeding her statutory authority.

Post by kensi
AKA you losing an argument fair and square.

Ah. It's so much easier to declare that your opponent lost than to have
made an argument to begin with.

Post by kensi
And then, to judge by your Usenet whining, spectacularly failing to
handle that like a mature adult.
(103-line rant!)

How many lines am I allowed to post? My censor has spoken.

[kensi]

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by kensi
Are there pyres of books in front of the libraries, schools, and
universities? No? Then I think you may be overreacting just a bit,
Verman.

I wrote about a specific instance of censorship, not hypothetical
instances of censorship.

Except that you didn't write about an instance of censorship at all. The
city government taking down a piece of its own property is not censorship.

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by kensi
Ceasing to do the latter is not ceasing to do the former and is
certainly not censorship unless the state is forcing private citizens
not to honor them. Is there any evidence that the state is demanding
anything of the sort? Did they order a statue of Columbus or of Douglas
on private land to be removed or anything of the sort? No? Then there is
no government censorship here and no 1st Amendment violation.

Suppression of speech by government action... I could have sworn we had
a word for that.

Which government is suppressing whose speech here again? You aren't
seriously suggesting that the city government can "suppress" its *own*
speech? Or are you claiming the *current* city government is suppressing
the speech of a *past* government and/or someone who commissioned the
statue? That opens a whole new can of worms, because it means anything
like that, once erected, has to be maintained in perpetuity regardless
of the wishes of anyone living, even were it to face *unanimous*
opposition at some later date, which in turn seems ludicrous. Indeed, if
installing any public statue incurred an irreversible commitment to
maintain it forever and ever or be violating the First Amendment nobody
would install any more ever again so as to avoid an ever-ratchering
clutter of statues and obligations that would eventually assume
mountainous proportions.

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by kensi
There's just a decision you disagree with, arrived at by majority rule.

Majority rule? No, it was just the mayor's orders.

A mayor elected by a majority of the city's populace. You *do*
understand the concept of representative democracy, don't you? It was
covered at some point along with all those Douglas-Lincoln debates,
surely. If it wasn't, then your instructors missed the forest for the trees.

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by kensi
And then, to judge by your Usenet whining, spectacularly failing to
handle that like a mature adult.
(103-line rant!)

How many lines am I allowed to post? My censor has spoken.

What censorship did I perform? I have no power to block your post from
being published. All I did was post a critical response. Oh, but to you
rightwingers it seems all three of these are the same:

* Government shows up and forces you at gunpoint to remain silent, or
forces books to be burned, publishers to reject manuscripts, or etc.

* Government retracts its own previous speech, which you had agreed
with.

* You get to say your piece, before an audience, but you don't get to
have the last word.

Others have noted that last phenomenon as well, it seems:

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Conservatives-equate-criticism-with-censorship

https://www.themarysue.com/roseanne-criticism-is-not-censorship/

https://www.popehat.com/2009/07/01/speech-is-tyranny/

https://xkcd.com/1357/

[alvey]

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by kensi

Post by Adam H. Kerman
July 23, 2020
I have had my country's history stolen from me today.

...

Post by Adam H. Kerman
in Grant Park taken down and another Columbus statue in LIttle Italy
too.

Oh dear Gh0d! The city is choosing to cease to engage in a particular
bit of speech the same city previously chose to engage in! Therefore YOU
are being silenced!!1!
... oh, wait.

Sigh
I've been a moron letting myself get trolled by you for the last several
weeks.

Rubbish! You've been a moron for much, much longer than that Kermie.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
I write one thing. I literally quoted what a news reporter had
written

Perhaps some actual quotation marks would have helped people differentiate
between your OT dross and your sources' OT dross.

hth

snip OT dross



alvey

[Adam H. Kerman]

Mayor lori Lightfoot discovered a third statue of Columbus to remove, on
the southeast side. There weren't even any protestors.

Here's a news story about the removal.

https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/07/31/citys-last-columbus-statue-removed-in-south-chicago/

I wrote to the editor Shamus Toomey, who may do minimal editing of what
reporters submit or none at all, objecting to over-the-top rhetoric the
reporter failed to challenge, plus the reporter's own spin.

I subscribed to your mailing list because I want to read hard news. I don't
want to read the reporter's spin.

City's Last Columbus Statue Removed In South Chicago
by Kelly Bauer
Jul 31, 2020 9:13AM CDT

Last week, the Chi-Nations Youth Council, which includes young
Native American organizers who were among those who led the
Grant Park protest last week, praised the decision to take down
the Grant Park staute but said it came at the cost of "our blood
and beaten bodies, at the hands of Chicago Police under the
demands of Mayor Lori Lightfoot."

That statement should not have been quoted without challenge. We don't know
if their members were injured. Furthermore, they're trying to suggest that
attemtps to vandalize public art is comparable to a civil rights protest
with the "our blood and beaten bodies" rhetoric. They don't appreciate that,
as a censorship attempt, they would deny others freedom of speech.

It is not comparable to police officers in the South beating civil rights
activists decades ago, and it's certainly not Mayor Lightfoot's fault.

"The people got this statue removed, the solidarity between
Black and Indigenous peoples got this removed," the group wrote
in its statement. "Yet we don't want to see this become a virtue
signal. We want meaningful ways to address the harm caused by
this structure that does not value the lives of Indigenous,
Black and Brown peoples."

Public art DOES NOT CAUSE harm.

How does Block Club Chicago, part of the media in the United States that
couldn't possible exist without the "freedom of the press" civil right in
the First Amendment allow censors to get away with unchallenged rhetoric?

These are not serious people with something to say themselves. All they want
to do is tear down public art, not engage in meaningful discussion.

Columbus has long been touted as the man who "discovered"
America on Oct. 12, 1492 -- even though it was already
populated. That's made him a hero among some Italian Americans.
But critics have noted Columbus didn't discover America and his
actions led to mass genocide and crimes, including rape and
torture, against Indigenous people.

And lastly, we get the reporter's very own spin on history. This is shameful
and never should have been allowed to have been published in the article.

Columbus is responsible for the attacks and killings and forced labor his
men made upon encountering native peoples on the islands they settled upon.
Columbus's actions didn't "lead to mass genocide". I know people love to
assign responsibility to Columbus for the actions of the Spanish
conquistadors and United States' forced relocations of Indian populations
and mass killings.

In elementary school, we weren't taught that Columbus was the first to
discover America. His journey of discovery was the beginning of the era in
which there was major settlement of the New World from Europe. It's
critically important in world history.

It is possible to discuss people important in history -- Columbus is a key
figure in world history -- while discussing the evil things they are
responsible for. But Columbus is not responsible for any crimes against
native people by Europeans or anyone else who came later.

Is it too much to ask that your reporters report the news, exercising news
judgment, challenging over-the-top rhetoric of those you interview, and
never adding their own spin to reporting?

[anim8rfsk]

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Mayor lori Lightfoot discovered a third statue of Columbus to remove, on
the southeast side. There weren't even any protestors.
Here's a news story about the removal.
https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/07/31/citys-last-columbus-statue-removed-in-
south-chicago/
I wrote to the editor Shamus Toomey, who may do minimal editing of what
reporters submit or none at all, objecting to over-the-top rhetoric the
reporter failed to challenge, plus the reporter's own spin.
I subscribed to your mailing list because I want to read hard news. I don't
want to read the reporter's spin.
City's Last Columbus Statue Removed In South Chicago
by Kelly Bauer
Jul 31, 2020 9:13AM CDT
Last week, the Chi-Nations Youth Council, which includes young
Native American organizers who were among those who led the
Grant Park protest last week, praised the decision to take down
the Grant Park staute but said it came at the cost of "our blood
and beaten bodies, at the hands of Chicago Police under the
demands of Mayor Lori Lightfoot."
That statement should not have been quoted without challenge. We don't know
if their members were injured. Furthermore, they're trying to suggest that
attemtps to vandalize public art is comparable to a civil rights protest
with the "our blood and beaten bodies" rhetoric. They don't appreciate that,
as a censorship attempt, they would deny others freedom of speech.
It is not comparable to police officers in the South beating civil rights
activists decades ago, and it's certainly not Mayor Lightfoot's fault.
"The people got this statue removed, the solidarity between
in its statement. "Yet we don't want to see this become a virtue
signal. We want meaningful ways to address the harm caused by
this structure that does not value the lives of Indigenous,
Black and Brown peoples."
Public art DOES NOT CAUSE harm.
How does Block Club Chicago, part of the media in the United States that
couldn't possible exist without the "freedom of the press" civil right in
the First Amendment allow censors to get away with unchallenged rhetoric?
These are not serious people with something to say themselves. All they want
to do is tear down public art, not engage in meaningful discussion.
Columbus has long been touted as the man who "discovered"
America on Oct. 12, 1492 -- even though it was already
populated. That's made him a hero among some Italian Americans.
But critics have noted Columbus didn't discover America and his
actions led to mass genocide and crimes, including rape and
torture, against Indigenous people.

They weren't indigenous, no matter what their fairy tale beliefs tell them,
and they didn't get genocided if they're still here.

Wouldn't ordering the cops to beat these guys broken and bloody be the best
thing Lightfoot has done in office?

Post by Adam H. Kerman
And lastly, we get the reporter's very own spin on history. This is shameful
and never should have been allowed to have been published in the article.
Columbus is responsible for the attacks and killings and forced labor his
men made upon encountering native peoples on the islands they settled upon.
Columbus's actions didn't "lead to mass genocide". I know people love to
assign responsibility to Columbus for the actions of the Spanish
conquistadors and United States' forced relocations of Indian populations
and mass killings.
In elementary school, we weren't taught that Columbus was the first to
discover America. His journey of discovery was the beginning of the era in
which there was major settlement of the New World from Europe. It's
critically important in world history.
It is possible to discuss people important in history -- Columbus is a key
figure in world history -- while discussing the evil things they are
responsible for. But Columbus is not responsible for any crimes against
native people by Europeans or anyone else who came later.
Is it too much to ask that your reporters report the news, exercising news
judgment, challenging over-the-top rhetoric of those you interview, and
never adding their own spin to reporting?

[kensi]

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by Adam H. Kerman
But critics have noted Columbus didn't discover America and his
actions led to mass genocide and crimes, including rape and
torture, against Indigenous people.

They weren't indigenous, no matter what their fairy tale beliefs tell them,

Proof, ko0k?

Post by anim8rfsk
and they didn't get genocided if they're still here.

Genocide doesn't require success at exterminating a group. It just
requires an attempt to be made.

Post by anim8rfsk
Wouldn't ordering the cops to beat these guys broken and bloody be the best
thing Lightfoot has done in office?

No, it would be a civil rights violation and a blatant abuse of power.

[BTR1701]

Post by kensi

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by Adam H. Kerman
But critics have noted Columbus didn't discover America and his
actions led to mass genocide and crimes, including rape and
torture, against Indigenous people.

They weren't indigenous, no matter what their fairy tale beliefs tell them,

Proof, ko0k?

You need proof of a scientifically established fact that all of humanity
originated in Asia/Africa?

Post by kensi

Post by anim8rfsk
and they didn't get genocided if they're still here.

Genocide doesn't require success at exterminating a group. It just
requires an attempt to be made.

No, that would be 'attempted genocide'.

Actual genocide requires success.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by BTR1701

Post by kensi

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by Adam H. Kerman
But critics have noted Columbus didn't discover America and his
actions led to mass genocide and crimes, including rape and
torture, against Indigenous people.

They weren't indigenous, no matter what their fairy tale beliefs tell them,

Proof, ko0k?

You need proof of a scientifically established fact that all of humanity
originated in Asia/Africa?

Post by kensi

Post by anim8rfsk
and they didn't get genocided if they're still here.

Genocide doesn't require success at exterminating a group. It just
requires an attempt to be made.

No, that would be 'attempted genocide'.
Actual genocide requires success.

Both you and anim are wrong on this point.

Actual genocide requires murder, widespread murder on a massive scale.
Vast numbers of murder would be a key feaure of genocide. Mass rapings,
pillaging, ethnic cleansing may all be attrocities but without massive
numbers of murders, they're just not genocides.

But success in exterminating the targeted population isn't part of the
definition. That's the motive for the crime. The tactic for the crime is
massive widespread murder.

People like the reporter I complained about have been deliberately using
the word "genocide" to discuss history with over-the-top language that
isn't applicable.

Funny how Paul's nonstop "proof kookie" rhetoric never gets applied to
people making blatant misrepresentations and Paul himself therefore
deliberately misused "genocide" the same way.

But the reporter didn't just deliberately misuse "genocide". She wrote
"mass genocide". As genocide is a massive crime to begin with, it
doesn't get modified with the word "mass".

[kensi]

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701

Post by kensi
Genocide doesn't require success at exterminating a group. It just
requires an attempt to be made.

No, that would be 'attempted genocide'.
Actual genocide requires success.

Both you and anim are wrong on this point.
Actual genocide requires murder, widespread murder on a massive scale.

Wrong. It only requires an attempt to wipe out a group, or to decimate
their numbers at least. This attempt can include forced assimilation of
them or their children, or forced sterilizations, or (yes) mass murder.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/genocide

"the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or
cultural group"

http://www.preventgenocide.org/genocide/officialtext-printerfriendly.htm

"Punishable Acts The following are genocidal acts when committed as part
of a policy to destroy a group’s existence:

Killing members of the group includes direct killing and actions
causing death.

Causing serious bodily or mental harm includes inflicting trauma on
members of the group through widespread torture, rape, sexual violence,
forced or coerced use of drugs, and mutilation.

Deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to destroy a
group includes the deliberate deprivation of resources needed for the
group’s physical survival, such as clean water, food, clothing, shelter
or medical services. Deprivation of the means to sustain life can be
imposed through confiscation of harvests, blockade of foodstuffs,
detention in camps, forcible relocation or expulsion into deserts.

Prevention of births includes involuntary sterilization, forced
abortion, prohibition of marriage, and long-term separation of men and
women intended to prevent procreation.

Forcible transfer of children may be imposed by direct force or by
fear of violence, duress, detention, psychological oppression or other
methods of coercion. The Convention on the Rights of the Child defines
children as persons under the age of 18 years."

Here is an example of a recent act of genocide:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/31/1965464/-Trump-did-the-crime-then-he-arranged-the-cover-up-only-this-time-the-crime-is-genocide

250 years ago it was smallpox-infested blankets. Now it's COVID-19. Same
shit, different century.

LOCK HIM UP!

[BTR1701]

Genocide only requires an attempt to wipe out a group, or to decimate
their numbers at least.

Only a reduction of 10%?

With 90% left alive, that's hardly a genocide.

[The Horny Goat]

Post by BTR1701

Post by kensi
Genocide doesn't require success at exterminating a group. It just
requires an attempt to be made.

No, that would be 'attempted genocide'.
Actual genocide requires success.

So what happened in Auschwitz and similar places?

'Actual genocide' or 'attempted genocide'?

If it was only 'attempted' why did General Patton drag the mayor of
the town of Buchenwald (and other notables of that fair city) to the
camp resulting in mass vomiting and at least one suicide?

Not a big deal right?

[BTR1701]

Post by The Horny Goat

Post by BTR1701

Post by kensi
Genocide doesn't require success at exterminating a group. It just
requires an attempt to be made.

No, that would be 'attempted genocide'.
Actual genocide requires success.

So what happened in Auschwitz and similar places?
'Actual genocide' or 'attempted genocide'?

Attempt.

Post by The Horny Goat
If it was only 'attempted' why did General Patton drag the mayor of
the town of Buchenwald (and other notables of that fair city) to the
camp?

To show them the evidence of the attempted genocide there.

Post by The Horny Goat
Not a big deal right?

No one said that but you.

[anim8rfsk]

Post by The Horny Goat

Post by BTR1701

Post by kensi
Genocide doesn't require success at exterminating a group. It just
requires an attempt to be made.

No, that would be 'attempted genocide'.
Actual genocide requires success.

So what happened in Auschwitz and similar places?
'Actual genocide' or 'attempted genocide'?
If it was only 'attempted' why did General Patton drag the mayor of
the town of Buchenwald (and other notables of that fair city) to the
camp resulting in mass vomiting and at least one suicide?
Not a big deal right?

Attempted doesn't mean you didn't kill anybody; it just means you didn't kill
everybody.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by The Horny Goat

Post by BTR1701

Post by kensi
Genocide doesn't require success at exterminating a group. It just
requires an attempt to be made.

No, that would be 'attempted genocide'.
Actual genocide requires success.

So what happened in Auschwitz and similar places?
'Actual genocide' or 'attempted genocide'?
If it was only 'attempted' why did General Patton drag the mayor of
the town of Buchenwald (and other notables of that fair city) to the
camp resulting in mass vomiting and at least one suicide?
Not a big deal right?

Attempted doesn't mean you didn't kill anybody; it just means you didn't kill
everybody.

Could we please use the word according to Raphael Lemkin's use of the
word, as he's the one who made it up? The definition is about the motive
-- intent to destroy an ethnic group (or some other well-identified
group of people) -- and the method is massive numbers of murder on a
widespread scale. It's not about complete success but the motive and the
method.

What seamus got wrong was ignoring the massive widespread murder aspect
of genocide, in his pathetic attempt to apologize for what the reporter
I was objecting to had written about Columbus.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by The Horny Goat

Post by BTR1701

Post by kensi
Genocide doesn't require success at exterminating a group. It just
requires an attempt to be made.

No, that would be 'attempted genocide'.
Actual genocide requires success.

So what happened in Auschwitz and similar places?
'Actual genocide' or 'attempted genocide'?
If it was only 'attempted' why did General Patton drag the mayor of
the town of Buchenwald (and other notables of that fair city) to the
camp resulting in mass vomiting and at least one suicide?
Not a big deal right?

Attempted doesn't mean you didn't kill anybody; it just means you didn't
kill everybody.

Could we please use the word according to Raphael Lemkin's use of the
word, as he's the one who made it up? The definition is about the motive
-- intent to destroy an ethnic group (or some other well-identified
group of people) -- and the method is massive numbers of murder on a
widespread scale. It's not about complete success but the motive and the
method.
What seamus got wrong was ignoring the massive widespread murder aspect
of genocide, in his pathetic attempt to apologize for what the reporter
I was objecting to had written about Columbus.

Sigh

Doing some more reading, Lemkin, who coined the term post WWII, expanded
it greatly in his 2008 book so the key factor that made genocide a
genocide -- massive widespread murder on a horrific scale -- is no
longer a key factor in describing what a "genocide" is, so he would
include what's come to be called "cultural genocide" by some people.

That's where destruction of cultures of native peoples of the Western
hemisphere comes into it all as a "genocide". Still has nothing to do
with blaming Columbus for all the crap that came much later.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by The Horny Goat

Post by BTR1701

Post by kensi
Genocide doesn't require success at exterminating a group. It just
requires an attempt to be made.

No, that would be 'attempted genocide'.
Actual genocide requires success.

So what happened in Auschwitz and similar places?
'Actual genocide' or 'attempted genocide'?
If it was only 'attempted' why did General Patton drag the mayor of
the town of Buchenwald (and other notables of that fair city) to the
camp resulting in mass vomiting and at least one suicide?
Not a big deal right?

Attempted doesn't mean you didn't kill anybody; it just means you didn't
kill everybody.

Could we please use the word according to Raphael Lemkin's use of the
word, as he's the one who made it up? The definition is about the motive
-- intent to destroy an ethnic group (or some other well-identified
group of people) -- and the method is massive numbers of murder on a
widespread scale. It's not about complete success but the motive and the
method.
What seamus got wrong was ignoring the massive widespread murder aspect
of genocide, in his pathetic attempt to apologize for what the reporter
I was objecting to had written about Columbus.

Sigh
Doing some more reading, Lemkin, who coined the term post WWII, expanded
it greatly in his 2008 book so the key factor that made genocide a
genocide -- massive widespread murder on a horrific scale -- is no
longer a key factor in describing what a "genocide" is, so he would
include what's come to be called "cultural genocide" by some people.

Sigh sigh

Not his 2008 book, considering he died in 1959. Something that he wrote
expanding the term "genocide" that was included in the 2008 book.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
That's where destruction of cultures of native peoples of the Western
hemisphere comes into it all as a "genocide". Still has nothing to do
with blaming Columbus for all the crap that came much later.

[anim8rfsk]

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by The Horny Goat

Post by BTR1701

Post by kensi
Genocide doesn't require success at exterminating a group. It just
requires an attempt to be made.

No, that would be 'attempted genocide'.
Actual genocide requires success.

So what happened in Auschwitz and similar places?
'Actual genocide' or 'attempted genocide'?
If it was only 'attempted' why did General Patton drag the mayor of
the town of Buchenwald (and other notables of that fair city) to the
camp resulting in mass vomiting and at least one suicide?
Not a big deal right?

Attempted doesn't mean you didn't kill anybody; it just means you didn't
kill everybody.

Could we please use the word according to Raphael Lemkin's use of the
word, as he's the one who made it up? The definition is about the motive
-- intent to destroy an ethnic group (or some other well-identified
group of people) -- and the method is massive numbers of murder on a
widespread scale. It's not about complete success but the motive and the
method.
What seamus got wrong was ignoring the massive widespread murder aspect
of genocide, in his pathetic attempt to apologize for what the reporter
I was objecting to had written about Columbus.

Sigh
Doing some more reading, Lemkin, who coined the term post WWII, expanded
it greatly in his 2008 book

He did what now? Lemon died in 1959.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
so the key factor that made genocide a
genocide -- massive widespread murder on a horrific scale -- is no
longer a key factor in describing what a "genocide" is, so he would
include what's come to be called "cultural genocide" by some people.
That's where destruction of cultures of native peoples of the Western
hemisphere comes into it all as a "genocide". Still has nothing to do
with blaming Columbus for all the crap that came much later.

[FPP]

Post by The Horny Goat

Post by BTR1701

Post by kensi
Genocide doesn't require success at exterminating a group. It just
requires an attempt to be made.

No, that would be 'attempted genocide'.
Actual genocide requires success.

So what happened in Auschwitz and similar places?
'Actual genocide' or 'attempted genocide'?
If it was only 'attempted' why did General Patton drag the mayor of
the town of Buchenwald (and other notables of that fair city) to the
camp resulting in mass vomiting and at least one suicide?
Not a big deal right?

Our resident Legal Eagle, Thanny, is wrong again. No surprise there.

"According to Article 2 of the 1948 United Nations Convention on the
Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide defines genocide as
"any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or
in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to
members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of
life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in
part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
[and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

Get that?

"...any of the following acts committed with INTENT to destroy, in whole
or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group..."

I N T E N T. You don't have to SUCCEED at it to be guilty of genocide.

"Under most legal constructions of genocide (e.g., under the statutes
for the International Criminal Tribunals for the Former Yugoslavia and
for Rwanda), liability for genocide extends to those who “planned,
instigated, ordered, committed or otherwise aided and abetted in the
planning, preparation or execution” of one or more of the aforementioned
genocial acts [ICTY Art. 7(1)]. In general, both public and private
individuals are punishable [ICTY Art. 7(2)]. Leaders can be held
accountable for the criminal actions of their subordinates if they knew
or should have known about the actions and failed to prevent or punish
them [ICTY Art. 7(3); Krstic, ICTY, Appellate Judgment § 140]."

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/genocide

Fuck... and he still pretends to be a lawyer. Now you can expect some
legal nit-pick. So let me quote US Law too.

"Definition of Genocide Under U.S. Law

Although it is rarely used, 18 US Code, Section 1091 establishes the
criminal offense of genocide. Its definition includes acts perpetuated
with the intent to destroy in whole or substantial part an ethnic,
racial, or religious group. Acts include the following:

Killing members of that group;
Causing serious bodily injury to members of that group;
Causing permanent impairment to the mental faculties of members of the
group through drugs, torture, or similar techniques;
Subjecting the group to conditions of life intended to cause the
physical destruction of the group as a whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; or
Forcing the transfer of children of the group to another group."

https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/genocide.html

Again... they use the word I N T E N T. It's like bribery... the mere
offering of the bribe is the crime - it doesn't require success.
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But a bunch of Moms dressed in yellow, wearing bicycle helmets, stood
tall. - Rob Chappell

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Ben Wexler
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[kensi]

Post by FPP
Although it is rarely used, 18 US Code, Section 1091 establishes the
criminal offense of genocide. Its definition includes acts perpetuated
with the intent to destroy in whole or substantial part an ethnic,
Killing members of that group;
Causing serious bodily injury to members of that group;
Causing permanent impairment to the mental faculties of members of the
group through drugs, torture, or similar techniques;
Subjecting the group to conditions of life intended to cause the
physical destruction of the group as a whole or in part;

I would say that intentionally scuttling a test-and-trace plan because
it's politically expedient to let COVID run rampant in blue states
counts as that last, with some random subset being subjected to any or
all of the preceding items as well by the virus itself. Statistically,
it was a choice to kill tens of thousands (at least) and subject tens of
thousands more to bodily injury, torturous experiences, and the group as
a whole to partial destruction.

Post by FPP
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; or
Forcing the transfer of children of the group to another group."

Of course the TrumpCamps do that last, and sometimes the earlier items.

Hmm, seems the only one of these Trump is *not* guilty of is forced
sterilization and the like. The first four items on the list were all
directed at Blacks, Jews, Hispanics, and Democrats, with Hispanics being
doubly hit (blue-state COVID-19 *and* in the camps) and hit also with
the sixth item (in the camps).

Almost the only thing his regime has *not* done yet, aside from forced
sterilization, is herding Jews into camps ... maybe that'll be his
"October Surprise" gift to his rabidly xenophobic base to bribe them to
turn out for him at the polls despite the pandemic? :/

[Adam H. Kerman]

I didn't write this bit. The author of the article in question Kelly
Bauer did.

Post by kensi

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by Adam H. Kerman
But critics have noted Columbus didn't discover America and his
actions led to mass genocide and crimes, including rape and
torture, against Indigenous people.

They weren't indigenous, no matter what their fairy tale beliefs tell them,

Proof, ko0k?

Everyone came from somewhere else. Native peoples didn't just
spontaneously spring up at a given location like Usenet sockpuppets
magically posting followups in a thread.

Post by kensi

Post by anim8rfsk
and they didn't get genocided if they're still here.

Genocide doesn't require success at exterminating a group. It just
requires an attempt to be made.

It requires lots of actual murders. The word literally means "act of
killing".

Post by kensi

Post by anim8rfsk
Wouldn't ordering the cops to beat these guys broken and bloody be the best
thing Lightfoot has done in office?

No, it would be a civil rights violation and a blatant abuse of power.

She didn't order the cops to beat peaceful protestors at all. Did you
read anything I wrote? They weren't peaceful protestors. They were
vandals trying to destroy public art, which means that they were the
ones committing the civil rights violations. The confrontation erupted
because the police were told to protect the artwork.

Furthermore, the spokesman for the group who claimed his own members
were the ones in confrontation with the police could have been taking
credit for something someone else did.

Where's your "proof kook" rhetoric, seamus?

[kensi]

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by kensi

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by Adam H. Kerman
But critics have noted Columbus didn't discover America and his
actions led to mass genocide and crimes, including rape and
torture, against Indigenous people.

They weren't indigenous, no matter what their fairy tale beliefs tell them,

Proof, ko0k?

Everyone came from somewhere else. Native peoples didn't just
spontaneously spring up at a given location

Oh, for fuck's sake. Everyone knows what is meant by "indigenous
people". The descendants, biologically and culturally, of whoever got
there *first*.

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by kensi

Post by anim8rfsk
and they didn't get genocided if they're still here.

Genocide doesn't require success at exterminating a group. It just
requires an attempt to be made.

It requires lots of actual murders.

You've already been spanked silly on this error elsewhere in this
thread, so I shan't bother to repeat all that here. I'll just consider
it incorporated by reference at this point.

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by kensi

Post by anim8rfsk
Wouldn't ordering the cops to beat these guys broken and bloody be the best
thing Lightfoot has done in office?

No, it would be a civil rights violation and a blatant abuse of power.

She didn't order the cops to beat peaceful protestors at all.

But if she had done so, as in your hypothetical, it would not have been
"the best thing Lightfoot has done in office", it would have been a
civil rights violation and a blatant abuse of power.

(Notably, punishment without a guilty verdict in a criminal trial having
come first is unConstitutional. It violates due process rights.)

[kensi]

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Is it too much to ask that your reporters report the news, exercising news
judgment, challenging over-the-top rhetoric of those you interview, and
never adding their own spin to reporting?

Yep.

If you want the above, you want a camera drone. Humans will be human.

[NoBody]

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 18:53:03 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Mayor lori Lightfoot discovered a third statue of Columbus to remove, on
the southeast side. There weren't even any protestors.
Here's a news story about the removal.
https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/07/31/citys-last-columbus-statue-removed-in-south-chicago/
I wrote to the editor Shamus Toomey, who may do minimal editing of what
reporters submit or none at all, objecting to over-the-top rhetoric the
reporter failed to challenge, plus the reporter's own spin.
I subscribed to your mailing list because I want to read hard news. I don't
want to read the reporter's spin.
City's Last Columbus Statue Removed In South Chicago
by Kelly Bauer
Jul 31, 2020 9:13AM CDT
Last week, the Chi-Nations Youth Council, which includes young
Native American organizers who were among those who led the
Grant Park protest last week, praised the decision to take down
the Grant Park staute but said it came at the cost of "our blood
and beaten bodies, at the hands of Chicago Police under the
demands of Mayor Lori Lightfoot."
That statement should not have been quoted without challenge. We don't know
if their members were injured. Furthermore, they're trying to suggest that
attemtps to vandalize public art is comparable to a civil rights protest
with the "our blood and beaten bodies" rhetoric. They don't appreciate that,
as a censorship attempt, they would deny others freedom of speech.
It is not comparable to police officers in the South beating civil rights
activists decades ago, and it's certainly not Mayor Lightfoot's fault.
"The people got this statue removed, the solidarity between
in its statement. "Yet we don't want to see this become a virtue
signal. We want meaningful ways to address the harm caused by
this structure that does not value the lives of Indigenous,
Black and Brown peoples."
Public art DOES NOT CAUSE harm.
How does Block Club Chicago, part of the media in the United States that
couldn't possible exist without the "freedom of the press" civil right in
the First Amendment allow censors to get away with unchallenged rhetoric?
These are not serious people with something to say themselves. All they want
to do is tear down public art, not engage in meaningful discussion.
Columbus has long been touted as the man who "discovered"
America on Oct. 12, 1492 -- even though it was already
populated. That's made him a hero among some Italian Americans.
But critics have noted Columbus didn't discover America and his
actions led to mass genocide and crimes, including rape and
torture, against Indigenous people.
And lastly, we get the reporter's very own spin on history. This is shameful
and never should have been allowed to have been published in the article.
Columbus is responsible for the attacks and killings and forced labor his
men made upon encountering native peoples on the islands they settled upon.
Columbus's actions didn't "lead to mass genocide". I know people love to
assign responsibility to Columbus for the actions of the Spanish
conquistadors and United States' forced relocations of Indian populations
and mass killings.
In elementary school, we weren't taught that Columbus was the first to
discover America. His journey of discovery was the beginning of the era in
which there was major settlement of the New World from Europe. It's
critically important in world history.
It is possible to discuss people important in history -- Columbus is a key
figure in world history -- while discussing the evil things they are
responsible for. But Columbus is not responsible for any crimes against
native people by Europeans or anyone else who came later.
Is it too much to ask that your reporters report the news, exercising news
judgment, challenging over-the-top rhetoric of those you interview, and
never adding their own spin to reporting?

Yes, you ARE asking too much. The dishonesty in the media today knows
no bounds.

[BTR1701]

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Mayor lori Lightfoot discovered a third statue of Columbus to remove, on
the southeast side. There weren't even any protestors.

You were the one who did it, didn't you? You stood in front of the
mirror and said "Beetlefoot!" three times and now look what you've done
to Chicago.

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I'm a Chicagoist and even I wouldn't do something so evil!

[FPP]

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Mayor lori Lightfoot discovered a third statue of Columbus to remove, on
the southeast side. There weren't even any protestors.

You were the one who did it, didn't you? You stood in front of the
mirror and said "Beetlefoot!" three times and now look what you've done
to Chicago.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yxfdtkqcowhhkmq/Beetlefoot.jpg?dl=0
I'm a Chicagoist and even I wouldn't do something so evil!

And you wonder why nobody takes your dropbox images as 'evidence'?
--
History will show when Tyranny came to the streets of America, the 3%,
Militiamen and Gun Nuts, who like to dress up as GI Joe in tactical
gear, were nowhere to be seen.
But a bunch of Moms dressed in yellow, wearing bicycle helmets, stood
tall. - Rob Chappell

"Leaders who have hidden in a bunker and gassed their own citizens
include Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler and Donald [Bunker Bitch] Trump." -
Ben Wexler
REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.

Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20

[BTR1701]

Post by FPP

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Mayor lori Lightfoot discovered a third statue of Columbus to remove, on
the southeast side. There weren't even any protestors.

You were the one who did it, didn't you? You stood in front of the
mirror and said "Beetlefoot!" three times and now look what you've done
to Chicago.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yxfdtkqcowhhkmq/Beetlefoot.jpg?dl=0
I'm a Chicagoist and even I wouldn't do something so evil!

And you wonder why nobody takes your dropbox images as 'evidence'?

And you wonder why people consider you a humorless fuck?

[FPP]

Post by BTR1701

Post by FPP

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Mayor lori Lightfoot discovered a third statue of Columbus to remove, on
the southeast side. There weren't even any protestors.

You were the one who did it, didn't you? You stood in front of the
mirror and said "Beetlefoot!" three times and now look what you've done
to Chicago.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yxfdtkqcowhhkmq/Beetlefoot.jpg?dl=0
I'm a Chicagoist and even I wouldn't do something so evil!

And you wonder why nobody takes your dropbox images as 'evidence'?

And you wonder why people consider you a humorless fuck?

I think you're pretty hilarious. Doesn't THAT count?
--
History will show when Tyranny came to the streets of America, the 3%,
Militiamen and Gun Nuts, who like to dress up as GI Joe in tactical
gear, were nowhere to be seen.
But a bunch of Moms dressed in yellow, wearing bicycle helmets, stood
tall. - Rob Chappell

"Leaders who have hidden in a bunker and gassed their own citizens
include Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler and Donald [Bunker Bitch] Trump." -
Ben Wexler
REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.

Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Mayor lori Lightfoot discovered a third statue of Columbus to remove, on
the southeast side. There weren't even any protestors.

You were the one who did it, didn't you? You stood in front of the
mirror and said "Beetlefoot!" three times and now look what you've done
to Chicago.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yxfdtkqcowhhkmq/Beetlefoot.jpg?dl=0
I'm a Chicagoist and even I wouldn't do something so evil!

Her face makeup can be a bit intense.

If you recall political cartoons of Rahm, they emphasized the bags under
his eyes to comical effect, although they didn't suggest Michael Keaton.

Here's a favorite Stantis:

https://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/.a/6a00d8341c60fd53ef01a5117d3ce5970c-pi

Speaking of cartoons, something you said many times about someone on
Usenet, whose name I won't even say once, clearly inspired this one:
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/daily-comics/pritzkers-grand-reopening/

[JG Rove]

How long until Chicagoans wake up and remove all the Daley clan monuments ?