Trumball, Cameron talking new movie technology

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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/behind-screen/james-cameron-promises-innovation-avatar-sequels-as-hes-feted-by-engineers-942305

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As someone who in 1970 was making real holograms in a warehouse and studying QM and optics I am skeptical of Cameron's tease of 3D without glasses in his Avatar sequels or the near future.

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Post by kelpzoidzl
As someone who in 1970 was making real holograms in a warehouse and studying QM and optics I am skeptical of Cameron's tease of 3D without glasses in his Avatar sequels or the near future.

I spoke with Trumbull last month at the TIFF, where he discussed projection of imagery directly onto the retina (which he patented); essentially a hologram, but still requiring head-wear.

There's now glasses-free 3D with the Nintendo 3DS, but you must view at a certain angle (acting much like a lenticular 3D print). I doubt there will be any 3D development where you can view a 3D image (1) without glasses and (2) without requiring a predetermined viewing angle. Fully interactive "holography" will require separation of a discrete L/R image to each eye using some form of head-wear.

Regards,

Steve

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In the early days of holography, when small groups of people, were making sand box isolation tables and setting up lasers, lenses and mirrors around an emulsion film plane, to produce real holograms, it was a common revelation that holography itself was like a precursor to understanding, how our sense organ and mind constructs reality itself. Holograms were made using coherent light, incoherent light and even using sound to make holograms. Eventually the holographic brain theory emerged, but none of the theories could be developed using regular, human consciousness.

The cybernetic or AI paradigms leading to matrix style thinking became pop thinking, but again very primitive. There is a giant brick wall blocking furthering understanding because the very act of conceiving it, is what it is. In ancient sanskrit there was a term for "stealing the light." Similar warnings appear in all ancient religion, where ancient visionaries, reached forbidden places in the mind during meditation and there are numerous metaphorical explanations for pulling the rug from under one's own feet. In a way it would be like pulling the plug of reality, wiping out all dynamic awareness.

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Post by kelpzoidzl
Eventually the holographic brain theory emerged, but none of the theories could be developed using regular, human consciousness.

It's even branched out to the holographic universe theory and brane cosmology; being that holographic film is a plane, but contains a fully dimensional image which, even if you cut out a piece of it, still contains the entire dimensional image.

There will likely be further applications of holography with light field cameras, which use a multitude of lenses (plenoptics) to form a dimensional image without the need for a laser and beam splitter.

Steve

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Article on Fermilab, failing to figure out the Holographic unverse claim to disprove it.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/universe-hologram-not-according-fermilab-holometer-experiment-1532386

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Post by kelpzoidzl
Article on Fermilab, failing to figure out the Holographic unverse claim to disprove it.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/universe-hologram-not-according-fermilab-holometer-experiment-1532386

To record a hologram, there must be matter which opposes the object laser beam, creating the interference pattern with the reference beam. If the universe (including Earth) was purely holographic, one shouldn't be able to create a hologram from another hologram. Cameras can photograph a hologram and its dimensional effects, so a holographic record isn't a brain mirage, either. So, I think the article you linked was trying to say, "matter does exist," while failing at disproving a holographic universe.

IMO, a holographic universe theory is closer to the half-spin state in particle physics, where exists in the material world a mathematically verifiable quantum state which does not exist as physical matter. So, the opposite must be true; within the quantum state exists a pure, singular world which requires no matter.

The universe may exist in both a quantum state where everything in it exists all at once at the same time as a singularity which is as enormous as it is immeasurably small - unaffected by time and requiring no matter. Whereas all the matter in the universe may just be that one pure, elementary state of nothing distributed through time, where we exist only in a continual singularity of material presence, considering everything else to be, "the past."

This explains how all the matter in the universe came from nothing at all, because it still is nothing at all beyond one elementary sub-particle which is both void, the size of the whole universe itself and all the particles of matter within those two fields, all existing at the same time in a singularity unaffected by the material world.

So, what we call the past is the hologram, or the analogue results of an object beam, and the continual present we sense as "now" is the pure state which never changes; like a reference beam.

The material world may only briefly exist as matter when connected by other matter through light or sound waves, physical proximity, etc. Everything else in a universe is perceived as having no material past...the infinite blackness of the universe, materially expanding as needed to displace and eventually nullify everything which had already briefly materially existed.

Mathematics can calculate, interpret or objectify it, but to perceive that nothing ever existed in the universe, matter must exist to perceive it. Whereas, to perceive the entire material universe requires hardly any matter at all. If the universe exists in a singular pure state, then it is a pure state of nothing and everything else has already happened from end-to-end in all conceivable forms of measurement as opposed to the universe's embedded singular quantum state.

The universe as one pure state of nothing = reference beam. The material interactions required for the universe to perceive itself as nothing = object beam. So, I still feel the term "holographic universe" is fairly sound.

Regards,

Steve

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"The universe as one pure state of nothing = reference beam. The material interactions required for the universe to perceive itself as nothing = object beam. So, I still feel the term "holographic universe" is fairly sound."<<<

In buddhist meditation practice there is the actual experiencing of what is called fusion of subject and object and vertical and horizontal lifeblood. This can be explained as reference beam and object beam. The essential practice of vipasanna and samatha in sanskrit was later called chi kuan in Chinese and shikan in Japanese. The translation in the clearest english is "stop the mind" and "observe the mind" the meditator is the subject and the "mind" refers to "reality as it is." When someone is able to achieve this fusion, by stopping the swirling thoughts in the mind and then seeing it as it is, then a remarkable inner event occurs, when the middle way unfurls. Sort of like bowman's mind at the end of 2001.

The point where the meditator's mind stops, is sort of like that instant in 2001 when Bowman first sees the opening of the star gate except experientially, it is more helical then split screen and utterly timeless.

Anyone can see how difficult it is to still and then stop the mind, so it takes practice, faith and the accumulation of good karma to actually do this.

The vertical and horizontal "lifeblood" is experiential, like when one sees in their mind's eye the stage called the "platform of the path," where the components interact to produce reality itself.

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Obviously a light or sound hologram is not the complete electromagnetic spectrum. Light and sound are just a portion of this spectrum. So the hologram cannot be touched or smelled etc.

The sun, earth and moon and entire universe can also be compared to the holographic stage and film plane like the mind itself.

Buddhism teaches "nine senses" the usual senses and the higher senses. The eighth sense is called Akasha or loosely in modern language the "karma storage." The ninth sense pertains to buddhist awakening.

Another point is how Voidness works in buddhism. Void actually contains latent causes and effects. Latency in buddhism is where buddhist causation explains things science has yet to grasp.

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Post by kelpzoidzl
Another point is how Voidness works in buddhism. Void actually contains latent causes and effects. Latency in buddhism is where buddhist causation explains things science has yet to grasp.

I don’t adhere to any religions, especially those demanding class segregation of followers from their creator; as eternal submission (Islam), a bloodline messiah (Judaism), or a judge redeemer (Christianity). Such religions are about keeping people down through control mechanism of life rituals, washing away followers’ wrong-doings with prayer and chanting as if they never happened. Buddhism, however, does instruct followers on the nature of existence and instills the laws of Karma and the goal of Nirvana; or separating one’s eternal consciousness from the gristmill of life and death.

Much like Buddhist negation or Nirvana, to connect with everything one must perceive or connect with the state of nothing. Similarly, the only number as far as the universe is concerned is zero, so we’ve given it the circular mathematical symbol we have; defining a negative space with a circle containing it—nothing and everything unified. Maybe that symbol came from our conscious/subconscious, or was derived from a long-forgotten agreement among people who theorized these intrinsic dual states.

Mathematically you cannot divide by zero, but zero as a mathematical state represents everything; and everything divides through everything only the one time. The returned state of one has no real value, because there is nothing there to count, being everything. So, there are only the two binary states in the universe: zero-as-nothing (0) and zero-as-zero (1), and all existence and matter in the universe are those two states which can never end (infinity), since they are both the end (singularity).

One could say the history of the universe is the process of it instantly creating/nullifying, defining/negating and perceiving/obscuring itself so it continues to be nothing and everything (0), returning a singular state of all matter (1) all at the same time. This change of state is what defines the material world, and thus everything is connected—including consciousness—which may just be our brain’s interpretation of changes in molecular activity. We can perceive and record the universe continually returning binary states of nothing, but they are never again duplicated it in the material world.

So, if every particle of matter in the universe is unique within a singular quantum state, they can be lined-up from end to end as one dimension (string theory). Likewise, if every particle in the universe spins uniquely within the timeless quantum state, all molecules can occupy the same one-dimensional position as a singularity (black hole).

Mathematically, the holographic universe is the equivalent of printing zeros on a one-particle-thick piece of paper until it becomes as black as the cosmos while instantly shredding that paper into infinite pieces to return nothing but zeros from the past—much like cutting a piece out of holographic film returns the whole image (sum zero).

We sense the process of the universe returning itself as one particle in infinite states as the passing of time, because the only residual matter *was* in the past. However, the beginning and the end of time itself are the same state, it is only the one instant and the widely accepted concept of a universal big bang with all kinds of matter flying out of it is a flat Earth theory. To prove the nature of existence or how the universe works, one must throw time out the window—much like entering the Buddhist state of nothingness or zero. Being nothing is vastly underrated.

Regards,

Steve

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In defense of "religion" I have to say it is natural and to be expected that the after a founder of a religion passes away it becomes twisted and stratified by later followers. I would put Islam in that category from the get go based on what I have studied about their founder, but that is not to say that there were no legitimate religious experience or actual awakening involved. within islam.

Judaism did come out of Hinduism, but most people aren't aware of this. Hinduism was without a doubt based in actual cosmic experiences of seeing reality as it is, because it was stressing meditation. Samkaya hinduism was the practice of Gautama Buddha and much of the cosmology and terminology of Buddhism was Hindu based. Christianity was influenced by Hinduism and ultimately Buddhism but in a judaic context. There are too many teachings and esoecially parables of Jesus that appear in the Mahayana sutras to ignore. Ultimately, real religion has to based in experiential awakening during intense meditation and later followers, incapable of real meditation practice, were instructed to just have faith, this would turn into dogma and hierarchies This is understandable in view of the nature of human ignorance.

All the religions, buddhism included, degenerate into empty shells as time passes. This idea of how a religion degenerates was actually taught by Gautama who broke up the future of his own teachings into what he called the five, five hundred year periods, ending with the complete corruption and extinction of the power a teaching has to bring happiness and awakening to the masses. Later Mahayana sutras compiled by reformers who had returned to the actual practice and fundamental experience, emphasized this process.

The scientific age, similarly becomes stratified and corrupted with dogma, when the handful of the greatest scientists is turned into arrogant pulp by later theoreticians who take the greatest discoveries and build onto them a pile of contradictory and bickering words that deviate from the true purport of a given, great discovery.

It is a mistake to think that people in general are smarter or more evolved than more primitive peoples. War, ignorance and misery still prevail and is a symptom of human beings themselves.

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Back to holography. I can visualize a couple different types of future motion picture recording and projection systems, but they would be insanely expensive to create and operate. The idea of physically implanting the images and sound in the mind is even less realistic then a hardware based optical system.

Either way, blindness might result.:)

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Post by kelpzoidzl
Back to holography. I can visualize a couple different types of future motion picture recording and projection systems, but they would be insanely expensive to create and operate.

I predict film projection itself is going the way of the Dodo, with movie screen-sized LCD or equivalent displays the size of jumbotrons.

Post by kelpzoidzl
The idea of physically implanting the images and sound in the mind is even less realistic then a hardware based optical system.

Trumbull's direct retinal projection could make an image seem as large as a movie auditorium or life itself, because it can cover the retinal area. Instead of traveling to a movie theatre, crowd reactions could be wirelessly transmitted between simultaneous viewers; much like networked video gaming. A 'collective' audience could vote for interactive cinema storytelling changes and character choices, or have those choices predefined through their social media profiles/history.

Post by kelpzoidzl
Either way, blindness might result.:)

Much like the 3D VR headset linked above. The outside world must be shut off for total VR/holographic integration and I think it's a counterproductive human experience, per "stealing the light."

Regards,

Steve

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I'd like to see Trumbull try this retinal imaging on himself. After he finishes barfing he can tell us about it.

The closed headgear painting in the limked video would be fun for a little while, but we already have that kind of perspective in software like second life and upcoming Project Sansar. Do 3d midelng and animation with headgear mhht be a thing for the future. Second Life and Project Sansar are Headgear compatible. But people get sick and barf.

The open Microsoft Hololens system is much more pratical.

If I had bilions of dollars I'd hire some laser designers to come up with a full color multi-laser camera and projector. It would probably cost hundreds of billions to develop and people would still barf.

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Post by kelpzoidzl
I'd like to see Trumbull try this retinal imaging on himself.

It's still at the patent stage, demanding further generations of miniaturized projection (under "Retinal Display System"):

http://douglastrumbull.com/patents

Post by kelpzoidzl
If I had bilions of dollars I'd hire some laser designers to come up with a full color multi-laser camera and projector.

IMAX has laser projection, but I found it enhanced digital artifacts (some inherent in the source image, some not). The dedicated Dolby 3D glasses also have a mirrored coating on the inside which back-flashes the screen's reflection on your eyes, greatly reducing the promised image contrast.

http://tinyurl.com/hemuhg7

I e-mailed these issues to QCO David Keighley when laser projection launched in 2015, but IMAX never did seem to address them.

http://www.imax.com/news/imax-laser-here

Regards,

Steve

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"Please call if you have $50M to develop this technology."

I think he's being optimistic. What happens when you want to go get popcorn?

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Post by kelpzoidzl
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/behind-screen/james-cameron-promises-innovation-avatar-sequels-as-hes-feted-by-engineers-942305

I recently saw "Billy Lynn's long halftime walk" projected at 120fps (the HFR process touted by both Trumbull and Cameron) and it just doesn't work as cinema. Fine for live events, stage productions, concerts, sports or nature perhaps, but the *you are there* and *live broadcast* effect is highly counterproductive. The article below sums it up well:

http://www.vulture.com/2016/11/billy-lynn-high-frame-rate-120-fps-vs-24-fps.html

Regards,

Steve

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Interesting review. Were both versions you saw, in 3D? I wonder how the 120 looks in the non-3d version? Probably the same annoying look, maybe worse or maybe better.

Personally I'd prefer filmmakers concentrate on making good movie first. If I go to a movie theater these days, which is hardly ever now, since I am care giver for my mother 24/7, i choose the non-3D version. Last 3D I saw was Avatar and it looked grey and grimy to me and the movie was cheezy pulp IMO. (The dragon flying scenes were okay.)

I am looking forward to Linden Labs "Project Sansar" which will be out eventually. It will essentially be make your own, virtual reality using any 3D animation/modeling software. Currently Maya is used primarily in the Alpha versions.

Microsoft just announced a low cost 299.00 VR headset that doesn't require maxed out pc specs. These days I do all my computing (except this IPAD I use for nonpower uses) with my 48" upscaled 4K TV display. World of Warcraft and Second Life look good but havent used headsets. The MS Hololens developers version is $3000 now but will be cheap eventually.

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Post by kelpzoidzl
Interesting review. Were both versions you saw, in 3D?

Not my review.

Post by kelpzoidzl
I wonder how the 120 looks in the non-3d version? Probably the same annoying look, maybe worse or maybe better.

There's only the one non-24fps format playing here, which is the 120fps 2D version I saw. However, my reactions were the same as the "Vulture" reviewer, even though he saw it in 3D. There were only about ten people at my screening, and it was easy to overhear post-show comments like, "The way he filmed it looked so strange."

I sat through all three "Hobbit" movies in 3D 48fps, which gave me a headache each time (quickly alleviated when the shows were over). That may have been due to Peter Jackson's excessive camerawork and/or the 3D. "Billy Lynn," was clearly designed for 3D; with footballs, bullets, rockets and even a bottle of Advil flying at the camera.

I think there's only so many frames per second the brain can process before an increased frame rate becomes irrelevant. 120fps has more clarity and smoothness than 48fps, but not drastically so.

Regards,

Steve

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The Hobbit films were very good movies on my TV, but the higher frame rate was very distracting to me too. Took away my enjoyment of the films, so left with a feeling of pavlovian aversion. I would never watch them a second time.

It did occur to me that review might be yours, but didn't really think so.

I see mind and perception itself, both our inner and outer perception as far more subdued, still and organic space. Imagine your life trapped inside the jarring Hobbit movie consciousness. At least we can fall asleep in the middle of Bilbo slaying the dragon.

I watch a lot of Turner Classics Movies channel and most of the films today are pure abrasive junk, which is sad considering there is so much potential.

The culture today is all about vampire zombies and slashers. Blood thirsty demons etc. Who needs that...in 3D, holograms, high frame rates or Virtual reality? No wonder the nihiism is so strong in the younger generations. There has to be a blowback against technology creating false realities, fir the sake of false realities.

I've about had it with super heros and phoney things, director's egos and rehashes of rehashes.

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The idea of water laser has been around a long time now a breakthrough.

Theoretically Giant holograms could be created.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/scientists-unveil-first-water-wave-laser/

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Post by kelpzoidzl
The idea of water laser has been around a long time now a breakthrough.
Theoretically Giant holograms could be created.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/scientists-unveil-first-water-wave-laser/

Japan already had that beat five years ago with plasma holography (in-air laser ionization). Made hardly any news, of course.

Steve

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Besides holography, I've always thought that using tidal Ocean power turned into a laset, would be an alternative energy solution.

I own the original prototype lasarium type device. The helium laser itself died long ago, so now it's just a red felt over fiberglass case about two feet long. It can be seen in the old Time Life science series book on Light. (Cant find that photo online). I traded a huge glass parabolic, single surface mirror for it as a collectors item.

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Kind of a dumb article, comparing VR to LSD.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2347705/microsoft-says-virtual-reality-will-soon-have-same-mind-bending-effects-as-lsd/

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Article on new romantic "Hologram" girlfriend.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/holographic-robot-girlfriend-sends-sweet-9474781

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Post by kelpzoidzl
Article on new romantic "Hologram" girlfriend.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/holographic-robot-girlfriend-sends-sweet-9474781

Ad is the movie, "Her," from 2013...come to life. It's prescient that people will allow their private lives to be wirelessly monitored and regulated this closely—under the guise of a helping friend (i.e., Big Brother).

I had a demo of HP Omen/HTC VR last week. As a kid, I spent a lot of time immersed in ViewMaster reels, so it was far from mind-blowing. I found it more interesting watching other people careen to one side, spin in circles, lose balance, spill their drinks, etc.

While not as sophisticated as the Gatebox tube enclosure, there are some D.I.Y. "hologram" tricks for mobiles, which you might find interesting:

Regards,

Steve

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Some different version of this also pop up. There are also fake hologram videos...funny. The Whale surfacing in the gymnasium.

An article today about SEX VR.....

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/571590/kinky-sex-robot-cinema-orgies-that-will-be-addictive

Essentially, the headsets are blinders to actual reality. One could say true EYES WIDE SHUT. Imagine a large griup all with headsets on lost in ilysion, while terrorists sneak in behind them and behead them. A terrorists dream!

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Or first-graders attending class with no headphones.

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Headsets, that is.

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Especially the kids with teachers who essentially side with terrorists because they thin they are broadminded.

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They could always issue AK-47's to the teachers but then the terrorists would just take them out first.

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Well, what do we have here? Reality and fantasy burred together?

"Dov Katz, the 38-year-old head of the computer vision and machine learning group at Facebook-owned Oculus, allegedly attempted to contact what he believed to be was a 15-year-old girl for sex. The fictitious 15-year-old was actually an undercover police officer with the Tukwila Police Department, a city just south of Seattle.

Katz told the officer that he was there to rescue the girl."

http://www.geekwire.com/2016/oculus-engineering-leader-arrested-near-seattle-charged-soliciting-sex-cop-posing-15-year-old-girl/

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Comments on the Voat post abut this:

An Israeli citizen who resides in California, Katz is forbidden to have contact with any minors, except in the presence of a responsible adult, according to charging documents.<<<

The Oculus is literally being developed by pedo jews at Facebook.