Saddest people on the planet

Post by ***@gmail.com
Just LOOK at these miserable fucks....
https://thestandard.org.nz/rangitata-and-the-future-of-the-national-party/
Their disgusting "policy" on fresh water turned off nearly every Kiwi...
https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/l/f/i/z/s/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.1240x700.1lfi0o.png/1504501119377.jpg

You are the most disgusting creature on the planet.
They will be back, you won't because you are already in the wilderness
but you don't know it.
Do try to post something of value for the first time, fuckwit.

Rich80105

2020-10-24 08:33:49 UTC

On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 18:28:44 +1300, Nellie the Elephant

You are the most disgusting creature on the planet.

You miss the point of the effigy / statue, Nellie; it was symbolic of
the destruction of clean water, led by Nick Smith; the point was not
that he was personally pissing in your glass, Nellie, but that over a
period of time he stopped listening, and eventually, long after that
protest, he was voted out of the electorate; it is a measure of the
'deaf ear'of National that he is still in Parliament on their list. He
is not hte most digusting creature ont he planet, but he is a symbol
of how badly National got it wrong and are still getting it wrong.

Post by Nellie the Elephant
They will be back, you won't because you are already in the wilderness
but you don't know it.

Not clear who you are talking about. Yes I think Labour will get in
again next time, but the Nationals Rangitata Chair Alison Driscoll is
pointing the way for the National Party to get back in 2026:

"I know this party will come back bigger and better. Weve taken a
hiding tonight and theres a lot of people out there who really need
to think long and hard about what theyve done over the last two weeks
because its our people that have fucked us up. Im sorry it is our
people who have done this. I think personally, and I dont mean to be
negative, but the party needed a kick up the pants. "

Do you disagree with her assessment, Nellie?

Post by Nellie the Elephant
Do try to post something of value for the first time, fuckwit.

Nellie the Elephant

2020-10-25 00:36:47 UTC

Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 18:28:44 +1300, Nellie the Elephant

You are the most disgusting creature on the planet.

What are you on?
Must be really good if you think corrupting a threas is OK.

Post by Nellie the Elephant
They will be back, you won't because you are already in the wilderness
but you don't know it.

Not clear who you are talking about.

You are the only one that doesn't.

Post by Rich80105
Yes I think Labour will get in
again next time, but the Nationals Rangitata Chair Alison Driscoll is
"I know this party will come back bigger and better. Weve taken a
hiding tonight and theres a lot of people out there who really need
to think long and hard about what theyve done over the last two weeks
because its our people that have fucked us up. Im sorry it is our
people who have done this. I think personally, and I dont mean to be
negative, but the party needed a kick up the pants. "
Do you disagree with her assessment, Nellie?

Post by Nellie the Elephant
Do try to post something of value for the first time, fuckwit.

George

2020-10-24 19:05:11 UTC

On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 22:05:57 -0700 (PDT)

With the Standard in the address line I can take the article with a
grain of salt.
And Stuff is fake news and should be shut down

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2020-10-24 21:16:55 UTC

Post by George
On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 22:05:57 -0700 (PDT)

With the Standard in the address line I can take the article with a
grain of salt.

As I suspect can quite a few people - just as I suspect many take "No
Right Turn"(Green) or Kiwiblog (National/Act) with a similar grain of
salt.

Post by George
And Stuff is fake news and should be shut down

I wuld be interested in why you think that, George. In the reference
above the article is largely based on quotations from National people;
I don't think they misrepresented anyone. If anything I believe
Newshub is shallower and more based on personal opinion from the likes
of Duncan Garner and HdP etc, and The Herald is these days largely
behind a paywall, so I don't see a lot, but from articles that I have
seen copied from behind the paywall I suspect they use the paywall to
feed their more right-wing audience with at least partisan if not
"fake"news.

There was some talk about media standards on Media Watch this morning
on RNZ - with some organisation having measured half-truths and
falsehoods in party advertising and social media; culminating in
Facebook closing the account for the Advance Party.

So please do tell us why you think Stuff is fake news . . .

Gordon

2020-10-25 02:17:10 UTC

Post by George
On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 22:05:57 -0700 (PDT)

With the Standard in the address line I can take the article with a
grain of salt.

As I suspect can quite a few people - just as I suspect many take "No
Right Turn"(Green) or Kiwiblog (National/Act) with a similar grain of
salt.

Post by George
And Stuff is fake news and should be shut down

The idea that the Fourth Estate is impartial is a maybe at best. A
newspaper is a business, it needs to sell papers, and the advertising in
them to make a profit. So it needs to pick an audienece and then give them,
the customer what they want. if they do not the paper will go bust.

So we are left with the expression, The which wing newspaper, The Whatever
News.

Post by Rich80105
There was some talk about media standards on Media Watch this morning
on RNZ - with some organisation having measured half-truths and
falsehoods in party advertising and social media; culminating in
Facebook closing the account for the Advance Party.

Advisting is certainly not the truth and only the truth. Just like politics
it is full of spin, to make people feel good about the product which they
want you to buy.

Rich80105

2020-10-25 04:59:30 UTC

Post by Gordon

Post by George
On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 22:05:57 -0700 (PDT)

With the Standard in the address line I can take the article with a
grain of salt.

As I suspect can quite a few people - just as I suspect many take "No
Right Turn"(Green) or Kiwiblog (National/Act) with a similar grain of
salt.

Post by George
And Stuff is fake news and should be shut down

The idea that the Fourth Estate is impartial is a maybe at best. A
newspaper is a business, it needs to sell papers, and the advertising in
them to make a profit. So it needs to pick an audienece and then give them,
the customer what they want. if they do not the paper will go bust.
So we are left with the expression, The which wing newspaper, The Whatever
News.

Advisting is certainly not the truth and only the truth. Just like politics
it is full of spin, to make people feel good about the product which they
want you to buy.

Direct quotes from National Party officials are not advertising, but
apparently to some they do represent fake news. I had not seen these
particular quotes as being so, but others have a different
perspective.

James Christophers

2020-10-25 21:36:38 UTC

Post by Gordon

Post by George
On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 22:05:57 -0700 (PDT)

With the Standard in the address line I can take the article with a
grain of salt.

As I suspect can quite a few people - just as I suspect many take "No
Right Turn"(Green) or Kiwiblog (National/Act) with a similar grain of
salt.

Kiwiblog is deliberately meant only to be taken with a grain of salt since its owner kneels to and feeds off the National Party tit. If you've ever seen and/or heard him, you'll understand why.

Post by Gordon

Post by George
And Stuff is fake news and should be shut down

Not quite, Gordon.

Along with our commercial TV and commercial radio, New Zealand's Fourth Estate gives its advertising clientèle the customers **they** want. And they plainly get it spot on, because to date no coroner has ever been known to report any Kiwi as having died from a surfeit of intellectual stimulus.

Post by Gordon
So we are left with the expression, The which wing newspaper, The Whatever
News.

Advisting is certainly not the truth and only the truth. Just like politics
it is full of spin, to make people feel good about the product which they
want you to buy.

Nope. It's to make people feel good about themselves. Fact is, for any indebted and financially illiterate spendthrift there's nothing like that momentary sense of self-empowerment and control when goods and already well-bloated Visa card meet at the checkout. Illusory of course, because all empowerment and control belongs to those who gull the spendthrift Mr and Mrs Mug into even further indebtedness.

(BTW, your mention of falsehoods: ever noticed how just about every fancy "chocolate" bar you pick up seems to weigh so little in the hand these days? Check out not only the piteously meagre content but also the quantity and undue percentage **volume** of nougat in it. Nougat is mostly air. As is the advertising that promotes it but that spendthrift Mr and Mrs Mug, also pay for. Go figure!)

morriss...@gmail.com

2020-10-24 23:21:58 UTC

Post by George
On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 22:05:57 -0700 (PDT)

With the Standard in the address line I can take the article with a
grain of salt.
And Stuff is fake news and should be shut down
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You're hurting. I sympathise with you, but you need to get over the Nasty Party, and vote for something sane and decent. And yes, that rules out those fools from ACT.

Nellie the Elephant

2020-10-25 00:39:02 UTC

Post by George
On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 22:05:57 -0700 (PDT)

You're hurting. I sympathise with you, but you need to get over the Nasty Party, and vote for something sane and decent. And yes, that rules out those fools from ACT.

Really illuminating reading the garbage that people like you post.
Obviously marxist and intolerant of freedom of expression. Sarcastic
to boot.

John Bowes

2020-10-25 05:52:17 UTC

Post by George
On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 22:05:57 -0700 (PDT)

You're hurting. I sympathise with you, but you need to get over the Nasty Party, and vote for something sane and decent. And yes, that rules out those fools from ACT.

Really illuminating reading the garbage that people like you post.
Obviously marxist and intolerant of freedom of expression. Sarcastic
to boot.

Nah like Rich, Mowwisy is just another imbecile.

George

2020-10-25 19:16:30 UTC

On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 22:52:17 -0700 (PDT)

Post by George
On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 22:05:57 -0700 (PDT)

With the Standard in the address line I can take the article
with a grain of salt.
And Stuff is fake news and should be shut down
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You're hurting. I sympathise with you, but you need to get over
the Nasty Party, and vote for something sane and decent. And yes,
that rules out those fools from ACT.

Really illuminating reading the garbage that people like you post.
Obviously marxist and intolerant of freedom of expression. Sarcastic
to boot.

Nah like Rich, Mowwisy is just another imbecile.

And just somewhat biased

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2020-10-25 02:03:58 UTC

Post by George
On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 22:05:57 -0700 (PDT)

You're hurting. I sympathise with you, but you need to get over the Nasty Party, and vote for something sane and decent. And yes, that rules out those fools from ACT.

Good grief, he did vote for something sane and decent, but it did not work.
NZ First left the House.

John Bowes

2020-10-25 05:50:21 UTC

Post by George
On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 22:05:57 -0700 (PDT)

A grain of salt George? Stuff shouldn't be shut down. it gives almost as big a belly laugh as Rich and our resident nazi :)

George

2020-10-25 19:15:34 UTC

On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 22:50:21 -0700 (PDT)

Post by John Bowes
A grain of salt George? Stuff shouldn't be shut down. it gives almost
as big a belly laugh as Rich and our resident nazi :)

The trouble is that there are staff behind the scenes employed to
produce news.
However the 'faces' and commentators pick and choose as to what they
will present.

Stuff has proven itself to be biased to an extent that cannot be denied
so the best thing is to shut it down and try something else.
Do you know that they're advertising that they want donations because
they're the honest news source...
Shut them down

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2020-10-25 19:33:13 UTC

Post by George
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 22:50:21 -0700 (PDT)

Post by John Bowes
A grain of salt George? Stuff shouldn't be shut down. it gives almost
as big a belly laugh as Rich and our resident nazi :)

The trouble is that there are staff behind the scenes employed to
produce news.
However the 'faces' and commentators pick and choose as to what they
will present.
Stuff has proven itself to be biased to an extent that cannot be denied
so the best thing is to shut it down and try something else.
Do you know that they're advertising that they want donations because
they're the honest news source...
Shut them down

George it you find Stuff so objectionable, look elsewhere. These days
there is a huge number of options if you have an internet connection.
I can recall the days when the only options for news were the New
Zealand Broadcasting Service (Radio) and daily newspapers (maximum 2
in any one city). State owned TV, privately owned TV and Radio came
later.

All news sources will always be biased because the staff involved will
always have personal biases. It cannot be any other way. Even Usenet
is biased because people are involved. Get over the biases and make
your choices. Shutting down any news outlet increases the bias
overall because it decreases consumer's options.

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Rich80105

2020-10-25 22:55:35 UTC

Post by George
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 22:50:21 -0700 (PDT)

Post by John Bowes
A grain of salt George? Stuff shouldn't be shut down. it gives almost
as big a belly laugh as Rich and our resident nazi :)

The trouble is that there are staff behind the scenes employed to
produce news.
However the 'faces' and commentators pick and choose as to what they
will present.
Stuff has proven itself to be biased to an extent that cannot be denied
so the best thing is to shut it down and try something else.
Do you know that they're advertising that they want donations because
they're the honest news source...
Shut them down

I am sure that saying "Shut them Down" makes you feel a little better,
George; it does however sound a little like "Off with his Head!" and
other sayings whose day has passed. We now however have the rule of
law; you do not have unfettered powers. If you would like to see Stuff
closed down, you would have to do better at actually identifying even
one thing that they have done that is illegal, and then persuade a
court that the wrongdoing is such that the site should be forced to
change in some way. Thus far, you do not have appeared to have even
identified one item on that site that is even objectionable, let alone
offensive, let alone illegal.

You have demonstrated that you are also biassed - as indeed are most
posters to nz.general; do you believe you or any other poster to
nz.general should be "Shut down"? After all, you pick and choose what
you write; your views are clearly not agreed by at least some others.
The balance between freedom of speech and fredom frombeing offended is
not a simple concept, George; most people have accepted that they
cannot enforce their views on everyone else. Much is made in
political discussions of the differences between left and right, but
it has been interesting to see the move by so many from the
right-wing but very authoritarian National Party to the further right
but very libertarian ACT Party. In contrast, Labour is slightly right
wing but much less authoritarian; The Green party slightly left wing
but slightly more libertarian; with no other party as far libertarian
as ACT.

So suck up Stuff, George - it is not going to go away quickly; it is
less biassed than The Herals, less erratic than Newshub; and the
articles you seem to object to most are those that give extensive
quotations from National Party officers . . .

John Bowes

2020-10-26 23:39:18 UTC

Post by George
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 22:50:21 -0700 (PDT)

Post by John Bowes
A grain of salt George? Stuff shouldn't be shut down. it gives almost
as big a belly laugh as Rich and our resident nazi :)

The trouble is that there are staff behind the scenes employed to
produce news.
However the 'faces' and commentators pick and choose as to what they
will present.
Stuff has proven itself to be biased to an extent that cannot be denied
so the best thing is to shut it down and try something else.
Do you know that they're advertising that they want donations because
they're the honest news source...
Shut them down
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I've been ignoring the calls for support since they started. If they can't finance themselves and refuse to avoid bias and attacks on free speech maybe they should just die quietly like any propaganda operation....

Rich80105

2020-10-27 00:12:54 UTC

On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 16:39:18 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes

Post by George
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 22:50:21 -0700 (PDT)

Post by John Bowes
A grain of salt George? Stuff shouldn't be shut down. it gives almost
as big a belly laugh as Rich and our resident nazi :)

The trouble is that there are staff behind the scenes employed to
produce news.
However the 'faces' and commentators pick and choose as to what they
will present.
Stuff has proven itself to be biased to an extent that cannot be denied
so the best thing is to shut it down and try something else.
Do you know that they're advertising that they want donations because
they're the honest news source...
Shut them down
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Indeed Newshub, The Guardian, New York Times, Washington Post, The
Herald and other media websites have been inviting reader to
contribute - either as a donation or to subscribe to otherwise
restricted items. I think both Kiwiblog and The Standard have enabled
donations at various times; I note that David Farrar advertises
articles available through Patreon which I understand require a
payment - perhaps his major client is not spending money on surveys at
present . . .

Crash

2020-10-27 00:29:22 UTC

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 16:39:18 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes

Post by George
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 22:50:21 -0700 (PDT)

Post by John Bowes
A grain of salt George? Stuff shouldn't be shut down. it gives almost
as big a belly laugh as Rich and our resident nazi :)

The trouble is that there are staff behind the scenes employed to
produce news.
However the 'faces' and commentators pick and choose as to what they
will present.
Stuff has proven itself to be biased to an extent that cannot be denied
so the best thing is to shut it down and try something else.
Do you know that they're advertising that they want donations because
they're the honest news source...
Shut them down
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I am happy to subscribe, but not to donate. Subscription is to a paid
service, donations are to not-for-profit organisations. Last time I
looked it was not possible to subscribe to the Stuff website, but a
newspaper subscription includes website access. Stuff do not have
publication in my area.

There is no sound business case for depending on donations as a
revenue stream for a business. If your business cannot sustain a
subscription service model, I would guess it is on a path to failure.

Post by Rich80105
I think both Kiwiblog and The Standard have enabled
donations at various times; I note that David Farrar advertises
articles available through Patreon which I understand require a
payment - perhaps his major client is not spending money on surveys at
present . . .

DPF has launched a system of paid comment through Patreon, but this is
in addition to his Kiwiblog site which continues unchanged other than
the occasional trailer for his Patreon articles. There is a clear
delineation - Kiwiblog is a giveaway, Patreon is not.

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Rich80105

2020-10-27 02:53:39 UTC

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 16:39:18 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes

Post by George
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 22:50:21 -0700 (PDT)

Post by John Bowes
A grain of salt George? Stuff shouldn't be shut down. it gives almost
as big a belly laugh as Rich and our resident nazi :)

The trouble is that there are staff behind the scenes employed to
produce news.
However the 'faces' and commentators pick and choose as to what they
will present.
Stuff has proven itself to be biased to an extent that cannot be denied
so the best thing is to shut it down and try something else.
Do you know that they're advertising that they want donations because
they're the honest news source...
Shut them down
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I am happy to subscribe, but not to donate. Subscription is to a paid
service, donations are to not-for-profit organisations. Last time I
looked it was not possible to subscribe to the Stuff website, but a
newspaper subscription includes website access. Stuff do not have
publication in my area.
There is no sound business case for depending on donations as a
revenue stream for a business. If your business cannot sustain a
subscription service model, I would guess it is on a path to failure.

Thanks Crash - that is why I used the word 'advertises'; Kiwiblog has
become part of National's political system - Farrar posts articles
which are carefully worded to be only marginally objectionable to the
uninformed, but are in fact deliberately inciting nutter extremist
comments that feed the anti-left without Farrar being able to be seen
as just another Cam Slater. Those commenting on Kiwiblog in response
to the incitement of Farrar are indeed the "Saddest people on the
planet"

James Christophers

2020-10-27 04:08:34 UTC

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 16:39:18 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes

Post by George
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 22:50:21 -0700 (PDT)

Post by John Bowes
A grain of salt George? Stuff shouldn't be shut down. it gives almost
as big a belly laugh as Rich and our resident nazi :)

The trouble is that there are staff behind the scenes employed to
produce news.
However the 'faces' and commentators pick and choose as to what they
will present.
Stuff has proven itself to be biased to an extent that cannot be denied
so the best thing is to shut it down and try something else.
Do you know that they're advertising that they want donations because
they're the honest news source...
Shut them down
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I am happy to subscribe, but not to donate. Subscription is to a paid
service, donations are to not-for-profit organisations. Last time I
looked it was not possible to subscribe to the Stuff website, but a
newspaper subscription includes website access. Stuff do not have
publication in my area.
There is no sound business case for depending on donations as a
revenue stream for a business. If your business cannot sustain a
subscription service model, I would guess it is on a path to failure.

No comment as such on the above, but I've yet to gain any impression of value,let alone even the faintest sense of literary grasp from Farrar's writings which to me come over as trite and shallow. Uniformly flat, characterless and, inevitably, uninspiring. So I suggest those who value good journalism for its depth, substance and literary coherence give the Guardian's Simon Jenkins a try. If nothing else they'll quickly realise just how puny and unformed Farrar's efforts really are.

Crash

2020-10-27 07:00:43 UTC

On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 21:08:34 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers

Post by James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 16:39:18 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes

Post by George
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 22:50:21 -0700 (PDT)

Post by John Bowes
A grain of salt George? Stuff shouldn't be shut down. it gives almost
as big a belly laugh as Rich and our resident nazi :)

The trouble is that there are staff behind the scenes employed to
produce news.
However the 'faces' and commentators pick and choose as to what they
will present.
Stuff has proven itself to be biased to an extent that cannot be denied
so the best thing is to shut it down and try something else.
Do you know that they're advertising that they want donations because
they're the honest news source...
Shut them down
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I am happy to subscribe, but not to donate. Subscription is to a paid
service, donations are to not-for-profit organisations. Last time I
looked it was not possible to subscribe to the Stuff website, but a
newspaper subscription includes website access. Stuff do not have
publication in my area.
There is no sound business case for depending on donations as a
revenue stream for a business. If your business cannot sustain a
subscription service model, I would guess it is on a path to failure.

I have not ever found any journalism of any value commenting on issues
relevant to NZers, written from a source external to NZ.

In looking for comment on NZ-relevant issues I value a viewpoint from
a local journalist, with grammar and syntax in the distance behind
clarity and logic.

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Rich80105

2020-10-27 08:46:19 UTC

Post by Crash
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 21:08:34 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers

Post by James Christophers

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 16:39:18 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes

Post by George
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 22:50:21 -0700 (PDT)

Post by John Bowes
A grain of salt George? Stuff shouldn't be shut down. it gives almost
as big a belly laugh as Rich and our resident nazi :)

The trouble is that there are staff behind the scenes employed to
produce news.
However the 'faces' and commentators pick and choose as to what they
will present.
Stuff has proven itself to be biased to an extent that cannot be denied
so the best thing is to shut it down and try something else.
Do you know that they're advertising that they want donations because
they're the honest news source...
Shut them down
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I am happy to subscribe, but not to donate. Subscription is to a paid
service, donations are to not-for-profit organisations. Last time I
looked it was not possible to subscribe to the Stuff website, but a
newspaper subscription includes website access. Stuff do not have
publication in my area.
There is no sound business case for depending on donations as a
revenue stream for a business. If your business cannot sustain a
subscription service model, I would guess it is on a path to failure.

I have not ever found any journalism of any value commenting on issues
relevant to NZers, written from a source external to NZ.
In looking for comment on NZ-relevant issues I value a viewpoint from
a local journalist, with grammar and syntax in the distance behind
clarity and logic.

Farrar's writings are only intended to feed the dogs - they feed
prejudices and give the opportunity for slagging enemies, inciting
anger, fake news and prejudice from other 'like minded" posters. At
one time Kiwiblog deliberately did include some posts to attract an
oversas audience - I gather David does not write all the posts and he
may have others mind the site while he is overseas etc. It does not
surprise me that he has moved on for some writing - I suspect he would
like to get back to the level of media appearances he had before
"Dirty Tricks" and over-exposure put a stop to much of that. Simon
Jenkins is excellent, but a media and jounalism professional rather
than a political operative.

Crash

2020-10-27 04:59:47 UTC

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 16:39:18 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes

Post by George
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 22:50:21 -0700 (PDT)

Post by John Bowes
A grain of salt George? Stuff shouldn't be shut down. it gives almost
as big a belly laugh as Rich and our resident nazi :)

The trouble is that there are staff behind the scenes employed to
produce news.
However the 'faces' and commentators pick and choose as to what they
will present.
Stuff has proven itself to be biased to an extent that cannot be denied
so the best thing is to shut it down and try something else.
Do you know that they're advertising that they want donations because
they're the honest news source...
Shut them down
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I am happy to subscribe, but not to donate. Subscription is to a paid
service, donations are to not-for-profit organisations. Last time I
looked it was not possible to subscribe to the Stuff website, but a
newspaper subscription includes website access. Stuff do not have
publication in my area.
There is no sound business case for depending on donations as a
revenue stream for a business. If your business cannot sustain a
subscription service model, I would guess it is on a path to failure.

So you (as far as I know) don't blog, but it we take your use of this
ng, everything you say about DPF applies also to you here but with the
opposite political persuasion.

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Rich80105

2020-10-27 08:34:21 UTC

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 16:39:18 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes

Post by George
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 22:50:21 -0700 (PDT)

Post by John Bowes
A grain of salt George? Stuff shouldn't be shut down. it gives almost
as big a belly laugh as Rich and our resident nazi :)

The trouble is that there are staff behind the scenes employed to
produce news.
However the 'faces' and commentators pick and choose as to what they
will present.
Stuff has proven itself to be biased to an extent that cannot be denied
so the best thing is to shut it down and try something else.
Do you know that they're advertising that they want donations because
they're the honest news source...
Shut them down
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I am happy to subscribe, but not to donate. Subscription is to a paid
service, donations are to not-for-profit organisations. Last time I
looked it was not possible to subscribe to the Stuff website, but a
newspaper subscription includes website access. Stuff do not have
publication in my area.
There is no sound business case for depending on donations as a
revenue stream for a business. If your business cannot sustain a
subscription service model, I would guess it is on a path to failure.

So you (as far as I know) don't blog, but it we take your use of this
ng, everything you say about DPF applies also to you here but with the
opposite political persuasion.

I admire David Farrar for his propaganda skills, for his considerable
intellect, and for his ability to know when to make no comment unless
it is to the advantage of himself or a client, for his ability to run
close to Cameron Slater for so long without being more than a brief
mention in the Dirty Tricks book. But he is not a journalist, and his
"blog" is a carefully constructed part of National's machine. I do
post to nz.general, but am merely expressing my opinions. I am at
times corrected by other posters, sometimes discussion changes my
mind, but it is for personal undersanding and enjoyment, not for pay
or political advantage. David Farrar did post to nz.general before
he started Kiwiblog.

George

2020-10-27 18:32:43 UTC

On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 17:59:47 +1300

Post by Crash
So you (as far as I know) don't blog, but it we take your use of this
ng, everything you say about DPF applies also to you here but with the
opposite political persuasion.

Blogging is a dedicated practice.
And how would a naysayer know whats on a blog he is politically averse
to reading ?????

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Crash

2020-10-27 19:49:27 UTC

Post by George
On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 17:59:47 +1300

Post by Crash
So you (as far as I know) don't blog, but it we take your use of this
ng, everything you say about DPF applies also to you here but with the
opposite political persuasion.

Blogging is a dedicated practice.
And how would a naysayer know whats on a blog he is politically averse
to reading ?????

Speaking personally, I do read material from sources I disagree with.
It is part of forming a balanced opinion on any one subject.

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John Bowes

2020-10-28 00:10:56 UTC

Post by George
On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 17:59:47 +1300

Post by Crash
So you (as far as I know) don't blog, but it we take your use of this
ng, everything you say about DPF applies also to you here but with the
opposite political persuasion.

Blogging is a dedicated practice.
And how would a naysayer know whats on a blog he is politically averse
to reading ?????

Speaking personally, I do read material from sources I disagree with.
It is part of forming a balanced opinion on any one subject.
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Besides they can provide as good a belly laugh as many of Richie's opinions ;)

James Christophers

2020-10-28 00:39:29 UTC

Post by George
On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 17:59:47 +1300

Post by Crash
So you (as far as I know) don't blog, but it we take your use of this
ng, everything you say about DPF applies also to you here but with the
opposite political persuasion.

Blogging is a dedicated practice.
And how would a naysayer know whats on a blog he is politically averse
to reading ?????

Speaking personally, I do read material from sources I disagree with.
It is part of forming a balanced opinion on any one subject.

It also provides - subconsciously maybe - opportunities for coolly comparing the qualitative differences between contributors. Indeed, for grammar, syntax, form, substance, range and eloquence - not mention local relevance - compare, say, the unfettered, worldly, free-thinking Rod Oram, Russell Brown and Chris Trotter and their eclectic audience to the blinkered rural-grade output of, say, David Farrar; that same David Farrar, in fact, whose perpetual strugglings with linguistic form and presentation are necessarily dictated by the uneasy requirement to engage with his loyal paymaster's anything-but-eclectic one-eyed flail and scythe constituency. These doughty souls, one notes, have not only prudently disavowed said scribbler's "fomenting of happy mischief" but virtually to a man gone for broke with the fish-and-chip-shop girl in the red corner.

Funny, that...

George

2020-10-28 01:04:55 UTC

On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:49:27 +1300

Post by George
On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 17:59:47 +1300

Post by Crash
So you (as far as I know) don't blog, but it we take your use of
this ng, everything you say about DPF applies also to you here but
with the opposite political persuasion.

Blogging is a dedicated practice.
And how would a naysayer know whats on a blog he is politically
averse to reading ?????

Speaking personally, I do read material from sources I disagree with.
It is part of forming a balanced opinion on any one subject.

As do most of us.
However he is not and has fixated....

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Rich80105

2020-10-28 01:56:19 UTC

Post by George
On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:49:27 +1300

Post by George
On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 17:59:47 +1300

Post by Crash
So you (as far as I know) don't blog, but it we take your use of
this ng, everything you say about DPF applies also to you here but
with the opposite political persuasion.

Blogging is a dedicated practice.
And how would a naysayer know whats on a blog he is politically
averse to reading ?????

Speaking personally, I do read material from sources I disagree with.
It is part of forming a balanced opinion on any one subject.

As do most of us.
However he is not and has fixated....

Youa re replying to Crash you was replying to you, George.
I see nothing wrong with the comment from Crash about reading material
from sources he disagrees with; but if you were referring to John B
who also responded I agree - he would benefit from wider reading, but
comprehension may not be adequate for understanding anything more than
limited in scope. Kiwiblog is worth reading from time to time - DPF
does at times do quite straightforward analysis on matters that are of
interest to him; and it is telling when he does not comment at all on
some issues where he just wants to have a story die . . .

John Bowes

2020-10-28 00:08:55 UTC

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 16:39:18 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes