OT: Fencing

[Whinging Courier]

Not the jewellery and watches kind, or even the type with swords. No,
the wooden kind that creates boundaries.

The council have finally got round to starting a new fence down the side
of my house and garden. "Great", I think, until today when I get home
from work and they've moved two motorbikes[1], bent the mirrors of the
R1 in and moved it round. I've checked for damage but I was incensed!

I'm really glad they weren't here because my first thought was to knock
the cunt out responsible for touching it.

There appears to be no damage but I've already found out who the company
is and even if I can't claim for damages (thinks of a new bellypan) I'll
make damn sure they're sick of the sight and sound of me by the time I'm
finished.

[1] The R1 and RatBike that were chained together, both in gear and both
still in gear.

Cunts, I'll fucking kill 'em.

[ginge]

Post by Whinging Courier
Not the jewellery and watches kind, or even the type with swords. No,
the wooden kind that creates boundaries.
The council have finally got round to starting a new fence down the side
of my house and garden. "Great", I think, until today when I get home
from work and they've moved two motorbikes[1], bent the mirrors of the
R1 in and moved it round. I've checked for damage but I was incensed!
Cunts, I'll fucking kill 'em.

Odd reaction, I'd be grateful somebody thought to move them rather than
running the risk of damaging them putting the fence up.

[Whinging Courier]

Post by ginge

Post by Whinging Courier
Not the jewellery and watches kind, or even the type with swords. No,
the wooden kind that creates boundaries.
The council have finally got round to starting a new fence down the side
of my house and garden. "Great", I think, until today when I get home
from work and they've moved two motorbikes[1], bent the mirrors of the
R1 in and moved it round. I've checked for damage but I was incensed!
Cunts, I'll fucking kill 'em.

Odd reaction, I'd be grateful somebody thought to move them rather than
running the risk of damaging them putting the fence up.

'Scuse me, the two bike they moved were chained together and both in
gear. They're still in the same condition, I.e chained together and in
gear. The mirrors are bent back on the R1 which they wetren't this
morning, which means they've been dragged/manhandled.

It's like some fucking stanger touching up your bird!

Really, I'll fucking kill 'em but I've had a drink now and far from
feeling flightly, I'm in a rather reflective and thoughtful mood, so
I'll leave it until I can throw a punch without falling over ;-)

[ginge]

Post by Whinging Courier

Post by ginge

Post by Whinging Courier
Not the jewellery and watches kind, or even the type with swords. No,
the wooden kind that creates boundaries.
The council have finally got round to starting a new fence down the side
of my house and garden. "Great", I think, until today when I get home
from work and they've moved two motorbikes[1], bent the mirrors of the
R1 in and moved it round. I've checked for damage but I was incensed!
Cunts, I'll fucking kill 'em.

Odd reaction, I'd be grateful somebody thought to move them rather than
running the risk of damaging them putting the fence up.

'Scuse me, the two bike they moved were chained together and both in
gear. They're still in the same condition, I.e chained together and in
gear. The mirrors are bent back on the R1 which they wetren't this
morning, which means they've been dragged/manhandled.

Or lifted carefully, by several people.

Putting the mirrors back, says to me, whoever did it had a vague clue
about what they were doing.

[Jeremy]

Post by ginge

Post by Whinging Courier
'Scuse me, the two bike they moved were chained together and both in
gear. They're still in the same condition, I.e chained together and in
gear. The mirrors are bent back on the R1 which they wetren't this
morning, which means they've been dragged/manhandled.

Or lifted carefully, by several people.
Putting the mirrors back, says to me, whoever did it had a vague clue
about what they were doing.

Now come on don't be reasonable.

[ginge]

In article <***@news.individual.net>, jeremy0505
@gmail.com says...

Post by Jeremy

Post by ginge

Post by Whinging Courier
'Scuse me, the two bike they moved were chained together and both in
gear. They're still in the same condition, I.e chained together and in
gear. The mirrors are bent back on the R1 which they wetren't this
morning, which means they've been dragged/manhandled.

Or lifted carefully, by several people.
Putting the mirrors back, says to me, whoever did it had a vague clue
about what they were doing.

Now come on don't be reasonable.

I'll be as fucking reasonable as I decide to be, and if anyone doesn't
like it, I'll....I'll...I'll look at them in a disapproving manner.

[Jeremy]

Post by ginge

Post by Jeremy
Now come on don't be reasonable.

I'll be as fucking reasonable as I decide to be, and if anyone doesn't
like it, I'll....I'll...I'll look at them in a disapproving manner.

<wilts>

[Phil Launchbury]

Post by Jeremy

Post by ginge

Post by Jeremy
Now come on don't be reasonable.

I'll be as fucking reasonable as I decide to be, and if anyone doesn't
like it, I'll....I'll...I'll look at them in a disapproving manner.

<wilts>

<Herts>

Actually on reflection:

<Devon>

Phil

[Andy Bonwick]

On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:48:44 -0000, ginge

Post by ginge
@gmail.com says...

Post by Jeremy

Post by ginge

Post by Whinging Courier
'Scuse me, the two bike they moved were chained together and both in
gear. They're still in the same condition, I.e chained together and in
gear. The mirrors are bent back on the R1 which they wetren't this
morning, which means they've been dragged/manhandled.

Or lifted carefully, by several people.
Putting the mirrors back, says to me, whoever did it had a vague clue
about what they were doing.

Now come on don't be reasonable.

I'll be as fucking reasonable as I decide to be, and if anyone doesn't
like it, I'll....I'll...I'll look at them in a disapproving manner.

Let's not forget that you've been guilty of a similar crime in the
past....

[ginge]

Post by Andy Bonwick
On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:48:44 -0000, ginge

Post by ginge
@gmail.com says...

Post by Jeremy

Post by ginge

Post by Whinging Courier
'Scuse me, the two bike they moved were chained together and both in
gear. They're still in the same condition, I.e chained together and in
gear. The mirrors are bent back on the R1 which they wetren't this
morning, which means they've been dragged/manhandled.

Or lifted carefully, by several people.
Putting the mirrors back, says to me, whoever did it had a vague clue
about what they were doing.

Now come on don't be reasonable.

I'll be as fucking reasonable as I decide to be, and if anyone doesn't
like it, I'll....I'll...I'll look at them in a disapproving manner.

Let's not forget that you've been guilty of a similar crime in the
past....

I was led astray, by that naughty Bonwick chap.

[Andy Bonwick]

On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:53:17 -0000, ginge

Post by ginge

Post by Andy Bonwick
On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:48:44 -0000, ginge

Post by ginge
@gmail.com says...

Post by Jeremy

Post by ginge

Post by Whinging Courier
'Scuse me, the two bike they moved were chained together and both in
gear. They're still in the same condition, I.e chained together and in
gear. The mirrors are bent back on the R1 which they wetren't this
morning, which means they've been dragged/manhandled.

Or lifted carefully, by several people.
Putting the mirrors back, says to me, whoever did it had a vague clue
about what they were doing.

Now come on don't be reasonable.

I'll be as fucking reasonable as I decide to be, and if anyone doesn't
like it, I'll....I'll...I'll look at them in a disapproving manner.

Let's not forget that you've been guilty of a similar crime in the
past....

I was led astray, by that naughty Bonwick chap.

As if.

[Veggie Dave]

Post by ginge
Or lifted carefully, by several people.

If the bikes had been damaged, do you really think anyone would have
owned up?

Absolutely no chance in Hell.

Would you get pissed if someone got into your car to move it because it
was too inconvenient for them where it was or because they couldn't be
bothered to get off their fat arses to knock on your door?

[ginge]

In article <***@asqg42.dsl.pipex.com>, Veggie~Dave@
127.0.0.1 says...

Post by Veggie Dave

Post by ginge
Or lifted carefully, by several people.

If the bikes had been damaged, do you really think anyone would have
owned up?
Absolutely no chance in Hell.
Would you get pissed if someone got into your car to move it because it
was too inconvenient for them where it was or because they couldn't be
bothered to get off their fat arses to knock on your door?

Not really, it's a company car.

[Nicknoxx]

Post by ginge
Not really, it's a company car.

You work from AND have a company car? What for?

[ginge]

Post by Nicknoxx

Post by ginge
Not really, it's a company car.

You work from AND have a company car? What for?

For travel. Part of my job involves meeting with customers all over the
uk, another part involves running a team that are geographically spread
out.

I'm classed as "mobile" so don't have a fixed desk in any of our
offices, and use home as my base location.

[Whinging Courier]

Post by ginge
127.0.0.1 says...

Post by Veggie Dave

Post by ginge
Or lifted carefully, by several people.

If the bikes had been damaged, do you really think anyone would have
owned up?
Absolutely no chance in Hell.
Would you get pissed if someone got into your car to move it because it
was too inconvenient for them where it was or because they couldn't be
bothered to get off their fat arses to knock on your door?

Not really, it's a company car.

Remind me to bite your ear again, next time \I see you :;0

[ginge]

Post by Whinging Courier

Post by ginge
127.0.0.1 says...

Post by Veggie Dave

Post by ginge
Or lifted carefully, by several people.

If the bikes had been damaged, do you really think anyone would have
owned up?
Absolutely no chance in Hell.
Would you get pissed if someone got into your car to move it because it
was too inconvenient for them where it was or because they couldn't be
bothered to get off their fat arses to knock on your door?

Not really, it's a company car.

Remind me to bite your ear again, next time \I see you :;0

It's a company ear.

[Whinging Courier]

Post by ginge

Post by Whinging Courier

Post by ginge
127.0.0.1 says...

Post by Veggie Dave

Post by ginge
Or lifted carefully, by several people.

If the bikes had been damaged, do you really think anyone would have
owned up?
Absolutely no chance in Hell.
Would you get pissed if someone got into your car to move it because it
was too inconvenient for them where it was or because they couldn't be
bothered to get off their fat arses to knock on your door?

Not really, it's a company car.

Remind me to bite your ear again, next time \I see you :;0

It's a company ear.

Yeah, yeah.

" Van Gogh goes into a bar, the Landlord says ' You wanna drink?',
Van Gogh says "No, ta. I've got one ear"

[Ferger]

Post by Whinging Courier
" Van Gogh goes into a bar, the Landlord says ' You wanna drink?',
Van Gogh says "No, ta. I've got one ear"

FFS

[ginge]

In article <***@asqg42.dsl.pipex.com>, Veggie~Dave@
127.0.0.1 says...

Post by Veggie Dave

Post by ginge
Or lifted carefully, by several people.

If the bikes had been damaged, do you really think anyone would have
owned up?

Had a think about this bit, and I suspect public liability insurance for
the company doing the fences would have come into play.

[Veggie Dave]

Post by ginge

Post by Veggie Dave
If the bikes had been damaged, do you really think anyone would have
owned up?

Had a think about this bit, and I suspect public liability insurance for
the company doing the fences would have come into play.

Some bloke, who gets paid naff all, is not going to own up to anything
that could possibly put his job at risk or make life any worse than it
already is.

[Dan White]

<snip>

Post by Veggie Dave

Post by ginge
Had a think about this bit, and I suspect public liability insurance for
the company doing the fences would have come into play.

Some bloke, who gets paid naff all, is not going to own up to anything
that could possibly put his job at risk or make life any worse than it
already is.

That's why you take a fence post and embed it in the tank *before* you ring
the council :-)

[Ali Hopkins]

Post by Veggie Dave

Post by ginge

Post by Veggie Dave
If the bikes had been damaged, do you really think anyone would have
owned up?

Had a think about this bit, and I suspect public liability insurance for
the company doing the fences would have come into play.

Some bloke, who gets paid naff all, is not going to own up to anything
that could possibly put his job at risk or make life any worse than it
already is.

I dunno about that. Our green bin lorry hit bloke across road's Merc last
week. Driver came and knocked on several doors to see if we knew who owned
Merc and was very punctilious about leaving his details with me to pass on
to neighbour. I doubt said lorry driver earns much above minimum.

Ali

[Beav]

Post by Ali Hopkins

Post by Veggie Dave

Post by ginge

Post by Veggie Dave
If the bikes had been damaged, do you really think anyone would have
owned up?

Had a think about this bit, and I suspect public liability insurance for
the company doing the fences would have come into play.

Some bloke, who gets paid naff all, is not going to own up to anything
that could possibly put his job at risk or make life any worse than it
already is.

I dunno about that. Our green bin lorry hit bloke across road's Merc last
week. Driver came and knocked on several doors to see if we knew who owned
Merc and was very punctilious about leaving his details with me to pass on
to neighbour. I doubt said lorry driver earns much above minimum.

You'd be quite surrised then. Bin men (specially the drivers) have never
been low paid. Unless things have changed, he won't be on crap money.
Probably not "IT" money, but still a pretty decent screw

[Ali Hopkins]

Post by Beav

Post by Ali Hopkins
I dunno about that. Our green bin lorry hit bloke across road's Merc last
week. Driver came and knocked on several doors to see if we knew who
owned Merc and was very punctilious about leaving his details with me to
pass on to neighbour. I doubt said lorry driver earns much above minimum.

You'd be quite surrised then. Bin men (specially the drivers) have never
been low paid. Unless things have changed, he won't be on crap money.
Probably not "IT" money, but still a pretty decent screw

Yabbut, these guys are outsourced to Onyx, rather than direct labour? I seem
to recall seeing ads for them in the local rag at about 7 or 8 squid an
hour. Which is not a good wage in Norf Lunnon. I know that when they were
employed by the council, they didn't do badly. These days, they are all
Poles.

Ali

[Cab]

Post by Ali Hopkins
Yabbut, these guys are outsourced to Onyx, rather than direct labour?
I seem to recall seeing ads for them in the local rag at about 7 or 8
squid an hour. Which is not a good wage in Norf Lunnon. I know that
when they were employed by the council, they didn't do badly. These
days, they are all Poles.
Ali

Wot? Thin and made of wood?

[Ali Hopkins]

Post by Cab

Post by Ali Hopkins
Yabbut, these guys are outsourced to Onyx, rather than direct labour?
I seem to recall seeing ads for them in the local rag at about 7 or 8
squid an hour. Which is not a good wage in Norf Lunnon. I know that
when they were employed by the council, they didn't do badly. These
days, they are all Poles.
Ali

Wot? Thin and made of wood?

<groan> How did I know someone would go for that? Bad Man.

Most of our local casual labour is of the Polish Persuasion, and damn good
it is, too. I had a card through the door a day or so back that made a
positive sales point about the fact that they were Polish Builders. When I
were but a lass, we'd a lot of Polish émigrés hereabouts as a result of
Adolf's little tiffette. Now, we're getting a sort of second wave of Young
Poles.

You can see the trend exemplified in one of our local emporia. First, they
said Afro Caribbean specialities on their shop front. Then, they added the
word Asian, then Halal, and now it proudly proclaims Afro-Caribbean, Asian,
Halal and Polish Foods. My greengrocer is Greek Cypriot and has started
stocking Polish foods in addition to the melange of other stuff he sells. He
got me to check what one jar was on Google. Turned out to be horseradish,
rather to his disappointment.

Ali

[Cab]

Post by Ali Hopkins
<groan> How did I know someone would go for that? Bad Man.

<G>

Post by Ali Hopkins
He got me to check what one jar
was on Google. Turned out to be horseradish, rather to his
disappointment.

I've bought some of that recently, as you can't buy horseradish in my
local supermarket...

[Champ]

Post by Ali Hopkins
Most of our local casual labour is of the Polish Persuasion, and damn good
it is, too. I had a card through the door a day or so back that made a
positive sales point about the fact that they were Polish Builders. When I
were but a lass, we'd a lot of Polish émigrés hereabouts as a result of
Adolf's little tiffette. Now, we're getting a sort of second wave of Young
Poles.

I heard on R4 the other day that around 100,000 Poles had come to
Britain for work since Poland joined the EU.

A mate of mine has bought a FOAD Victorian warehouse which he is
rescuing from its state of nearly-falling-downness. He's got about 8
Poles working on the site, and he says they work like, er, niggers :-)

[wessie]

Champ emerged from their own little world to say

Post by Champ

Post by Ali Hopkins
Most of our local casual labour is of the Polish Persuasion, and damn
good it is, too. I had a card through the door a day or so back that
made a positive sales point about the fact that they were Polish
Builders. When I were but a lass, we'd a lot of Polish émigrés
hereabouts as a result of Adolf's little tiffette. Now, we're getting
a sort of second wave of Young Poles.

I heard on R4 the other day that around 100,000 Poles had come to
Britain for work since Poland joined the EU.

Stagecoach has a bus driver school in Poland as they can't get drivers in
many parts of the UK.

There's a 2 year waiting list for many night school electrical/plumbing
courses in Cardiff as East European tradesmen need a bit of paper to
certify their competence.

Bloody good job too. The indigenous population has largely gone off the
idea of breeding, and I'd quite like there to be some pretty young Gustav,
in 30 or 40 years time, willing to aid me in my decrepitude. Whether it's
to fix a boiler or wipe an arse the baby boomers in retirement are going to
be in deep shit[1] without further immigration and/or conception.

[1] maybe literally

[d***@burnt.org.uk]

Post by wessie
Bloody good job too. The indigenous population has largely gone off the
idea of breeding, and I'd quite like there to be some pretty young Gustav,
in 30 or 40 years time, willing to aid me in my decrepitude. Whether it's
to fix a boiler or wipe an arse the baby boomers in retirement are going to
be in deep shit[1] without further immigration and/or conception.

Completely and *utterly* agree with this point. Well, with the possible
exception of "some pretty young Gustav".

[Beav]

Post by d***@burnt.org.uk

Post by wessie
Bloody good job too. The indigenous population has largely gone off the
idea of breeding, and I'd quite like there to be some pretty young Gustav,
in 30 or 40 years time, willing to aid me in my decrepitude. Whether it's
to fix a boiler or wipe an arse the baby boomers in retirement are going to
be in deep shit[1] without further immigration and/or conception.

Completely and *utterly* agree with this point. Well, with the possible
exception of "some pretty young Gustav".

Gustaveve do you?

[d***@burnt.org.uk]

Post by Beav

Post by d***@burnt.org.uk

Post by wessie
Bloody good job too. The indigenous population has largely gone off the
idea of breeding, and I'd quite like there to be some pretty young Gustav,
in 30 or 40 years time, willing to aid me in my decrepitude. Whether it's
to fix a boiler or wipe an arse the baby boomers in retirement are going to
be in deep shit[1] without further immigration and/or conception.

Completely and *utterly* agree with this point. Well, with the possible
exception of "some pretty young Gustav".

Gustaveve do you?

Not sure. How pretty is he?

[Beav]

Post by Ali Hopkins

Post by Cab

Post by Ali Hopkins
Yabbut, these guys are outsourced to Onyx, rather than direct labour?
I seem to recall seeing ads for them in the local rag at about 7 or 8
squid an hour. Which is not a good wage in Norf Lunnon. I know that
when they were employed by the council, they didn't do badly. These
days, they are all Poles.
Ali

Wot? Thin and made of wood?

<groan> How did I know someone would go for that? Bad Man.
Most of our local casual labour is of the Polish Persuasion, and damn good
it is, too. I had a card through the door a day or so back that made a
positive sales point about the fact that they were Polish Builders. When I
were but a lass, we'd a lot of Polish émigrés hereabouts as a result of
Adolf's little tiffette. Now, we're getting a sort of second wave of Young
Poles.

This seems a little odd to me. Poles generally have an excellent reputation
as workers, so why would they hire themselves out as casuals for crap money?

[wessie]

Beav emerged from their own little world to say

Post by Beav

Post by Ali Hopkins
Most of our local casual labour is of the Polish Persuasion, and damn
good it is, too. I had a card through the door a day or so back that
made a positive sales point about the fact that they were Polish
Builders. When I were but a lass, we'd a lot of Polish émigrés
hereabouts as a result of Adolf's little tiffette. Now, we're getting
a sort of second wave of Young Poles.

This seems a little odd to me. Poles generally have an excellent
reputation as workers, so why would they hire themselves out as
casuals for crap money?

Economics. Minimum wage in the UK is higher than skilled rates in Gdansk.

Also, as I and others have said in this thread: many of the East Europeans
over here are skilled workers. However, their qualifications are not
recognised so they work in shit jobs whilst they go to college to gain the
necessary credentials to ratify their competence.

[Cab]

Post by wessie
Also, as I and others have said in this thread: many of the East
Europeans over here are skilled workers. However, their
qualifications are not recognised so they work in shit jobs whilst
they go to college to gain the necessary credentials to ratify their
competence.

Shouldn't that no longer be the case though, as they're EU members? I
thought that qualifications were meant to be border-transparent, within
then EU?

[wessie]

Cab emerged from their own little world to say

Post by Cab

Post by wessie
Also, as I and others have said in this thread: many of the East
Europeans over here are skilled workers. However, their
qualifications are not recognised so they work in shit jobs whilst
they go to college to gain the necessary credentials to ratify their
competence.

Shouldn't that no longer be the case though, as they're EU members? I
thought that qualifications were meant to be border-transparent, within
then EU?

Depends. The dental example given was a Croatian, so not in EU. There are
all sorts of special rules for the 9 accession countries.

Plumbers will need to get a UK CORGI certification if they want to work on
gas and electricians will need to be certified to whatever edition of regs
we are on now. This would apply equally to a French tradesperson as an
Estonian. However, I very much doubt a French plumber would ever want to
work in a country with a Protestant work ethic...

[Ali Hopkins]

Post by wessie
Plumbers will need to get a UK CORGI certification if they want to work on
gas and electricians will need to be certified to whatever edition of regs
we are on now.

Certificate of Competent Persons, I think.

Ali

[Ali Hopkins]

Post by wessie
Beav emerged from their own little world to say

Post by Beav

Post by Ali Hopkins
Most of our local casual labour is of the Polish Persuasion, and damn
good it is, too. I had a card through the door a day or so back that
made a positive sales point about the fact that they were Polish
Builders. When I were but a lass, we'd a lot of Polish émigrés
hereabouts as a result of Adolf's little tiffette. Now, we're getting
a sort of second wave of Young Poles.

This seems a little odd to me. Poles generally have an excellent
reputation as workers, so why would they hire themselves out as
casuals for crap money?

Economics. Minimum wage in the UK is higher than skilled rates in Gdansk.

A *lot* hiogher; and their unemploymeny rate is far higgher, too, according
to me Polish chums.

Post by wessie
Also, as I and others have said in this thread: many of the East Europeans
over here are skilled workers. However, their qualifications are not
recognised so they work in shit jobs whilst they go to college to gain the
necessary credentials to ratify their competence.

That too.

Ali

[Cab]

Post by Beav

Post by Ali Hopkins

Post by Cab

Post by Ali Hopkins
Yabbut, these guys are outsourced to Onyx, rather than direct
labour? I seem to recall seeing ads for them in the local rag
at about 7 or 8 squid an hour. Which is not a good wage in
Norf Lunnon. I know that when they were employed by the
council, they didn't do badly. These days, they are all Poles.
Ali

Wot? Thin and made of wood?

<groan> How did I know someone would go for that? Bad Man.
Most of our local casual labour is of the Polish Persuasion, and
damn good it is, too. I had a card through the door a day or so
back that made a positive sales point about the fact that they
were Polish Builders. When I were but a lass, we'd a lot of Polish
émigrés hereabouts as a result of Adolf's little tiffette. Now,
we're getting a sort of second wave of Young Poles.

This seems a little odd to me. Poles generally have an excellent
reputation as workers, so why would they hire themselves out as
casuals for crap money?

'cos it's still a damn site better than in Poland?

When I worked for Lucent in Poland, about 7 years ago, Telco Engineers
were on around £750 pm. That was a good wage for them then.

[Whinging Courier]

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Ali Hopkins belched forth and ejected the

Post by Ali Hopkins

Post by Beav

Post by Ali Hopkins
I dunno about that. Our green bin lorry hit bloke across road's Merc last
week. Driver came and knocked on several doors to see if we knew who
owned Merc and was very punctilious about leaving his details with me to
pass on to neighbour. I doubt said lorry driver earns much above minimum.

You'd be quite surrised then. Bin men (specially the drivers) have never
been low paid. Unless things have changed, he won't be on crap money.
Probably not "IT" money, but still a pretty decent screw

Yabbut, these guys are outsourced to Onyx, rather than direct labour? I seem
to recall seeing ads for them in the local rag at about 7 or 8 squid an
hour.

That's not a good wage. I've driven dustcarts and got paid more than
that via an agency which pay notoriosly shit wages (in the industry I
work in, anyway)

Post by Ali Hopkins
Which is not a good wage in Norf Lunnon. I know that when they were
employed by the council, they didn't do badly. These days, they are all
Poles.

Same goes for our place. I'd say there's probably 10 white English
drivers out of perhaps 100. The rest are all Poles, Slovaks, Czechs or
blacks - pretty much like all of London AISI.

[Andy Bonwick]

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 02:53:50 -0000, Whinging Courier

Post by Whinging Courier
In uk.rec.motorcycles, Ali Hopkins belched forth and ejected the

Post by Ali Hopkins
Yabbut, these guys are outsourced to Onyx, rather than direct labour? I seem
to recall seeing ads for them in the local rag at about 7 or 8 squid an
hour.

That's not a good wage. I've driven dustcarts and got paid more than
that via an agency which pay notoriosly shit wages (in the industry I
work in, anyway)

You should try doing a 4 year apprenticeship with 4 years at college
tagged on and then find that the best rate you can get in your area is
£7.84/hr. That's what skilled fitters and machinists get where I work
in York (not a cheap place to live) and they all know they could get
more working as a shelf stacker but couldn't take the boredom.

If I wasn't being paid a significantly higher rate for being a 'site
engineer' I'd be long gone and selling my skills elsewhere. I've no
more qualifications than the other idiots but at least I've got a
slight idea as to my value to the company and make sure I get as close
to it as I can.

Post by Whinging Courier

Post by Ali Hopkins
Which is not a good wage in Norf Lunnon. I know that when they were
employed by the council, they didn't do badly. These days, they are all
Poles.

Same goes for our place. I'd say there's probably 10 white English
drivers out of perhaps 100. The rest are all Poles, Slovaks, Czechs or
blacks - pretty much like all of London AISI.

Will they still be doing the same job in 3 years or will they all be
IT consultants?

[Ali Hopkins]

Post by Andy Bonwick
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 02:53:50 -0000, Whinging Courier
Will they still be doing the same job in 3 years or will they all be
IT consultants?

Our street sweeper will be a dentist. She's a very pretty Croatian girl -
who does a very good job, too. She's qualified as a dentist in her home
country and is doing the qualification needed to practise here.

Ali

[Beav]

Post by Ali Hopkins

Post by Andy Bonwick
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 02:53:50 -0000, Whinging Courier
Will they still be doing the same job in 3 years or will they all be
IT consultants?

Our street sweeper will be a dentist. She's a very pretty Croatian girl -
who does a very good job, too. She's qualified as a dentist in her home
country and is doing the qualification needed to practise here.

That's the trouble with dentisits. Always bloody practicing.

[Paul Corfield]

Post by Ali Hopkins

Post by Andy Bonwick
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 02:53:50 -0000, Whinging Courier
Will they still be doing the same job in 3 years or will they all be
IT consultants?

Our street sweeper will be a dentist. She's a very pretty Croatian girl -
who does a very good job, too. She's qualified as a dentist in her home
country and is doing the qualification needed to practise here.

My dentist is a foreign lady and very good she is too. I almost enjoy
going to the dentist now.

All of the dental technicians and hygienists are foreign too. The
technicians all sound as if they are from Eastern Europe - they do
struggle a little bit with pronouncing daft English surnames like
Corfield. The hygienists are all from either South or East Asia.

[d***@burnt.org.uk]

Post by Paul Corfield
My dentist is a foreign lady and very good she is too. I almost enjoy
going to the dentist now.

My dentist is a brit. He does a fantastic job. I've never objected to
going to the dentist. Mind you, I've not needed any work in years...
although I did have a number of fillings replaced with 'porcelain'
fillings a few years ago for reasons of vanity.

Post by Paul Corfield
All of the dental technicians and hygienists are foreign too. The
technicians all sound as if they are from Eastern Europe - they do
struggle a little bit with pronouncing daft English surnames like
Corfield. The hygienists are all from either South or East Asia.

I had an op recently to remove a lump from my face. There were about
five people plus the consultant in the 'theatre'. All of the five were
eastern european (based on accent). Thank heavens they were there, I
was as nervous as hell about it since there was an outside chance I
could have ended up with a 'frozen' right hand side of my face if the
surgeon had hit a nerve (which the growth was close to.)

I, for one, am grateful for our Government's progressive attitude
towards immigrant workers.

[wessie]

emerged from their own little world to say

Post by d***@burnt.org.uk

Post by Paul Corfield
My dentist is a foreign lady and very good she is too. I almost enjoy
going to the dentist now.

I, for one, am grateful for our Government's progressive attitude
towards immigrant workers.

Indeed. We wouldn't have an NHS dental practice a few miles away [1]
without Taghi from Finland and his Asian colleague.

[1] actually across the border in Powys but only 7 miles away

[Paul Corfield]

Post by d***@burnt.org.uk

Post by Paul Corfield
My dentist is a foreign lady and very good she is too. I almost enjoy
going to the dentist now.

My dentist is a brit. He does a fantastic job. I've never objected to
going to the dentist.

I've had one or two bad experiences that led me to fear the sound of the
dentist drill. I am trying to be more grown up about the whole thing
but I'm having root canal treatment at the moment and to be honest it
has been completely fine with no pain at all.

Post by d***@burnt.org.uk
Mind you, I've not needed any work in years...
although I did have a number of fillings replaced with 'porcelain'
fillings a few years ago for reasons of vanity.

Vanity - you? I'm surprised.

Post by d***@burnt.org.uk
I had an op recently to remove a lump from my face. There were about
five people plus the consultant in the 'theatre'. All of the five were
eastern european (based on accent). Thank heavens they were there, I
was as nervous as hell about it since there was an outside chance I
could have ended up with a 'frozen' right hand side of my face if the
surgeon had hit a nerve (which the growth was close to.)

Eek.

Post by d***@burnt.org.uk
I, for one, am grateful for our Government's progressive attitude
towards immigrant workers.

Being cynical you could say they have no damn choice but I do think
there is a genuine policy position that means they have a more
enlightened attitude. Shame the majority of the great British public
don't seem to share it judging from the usual grumbling "they're taking
our jobs" comments.

[d***@burnt.org.uk]

Post by Paul Corfield

Post by d***@burnt.org.uk
Mind you, I've not needed any work in years...
although I did have a number of fillings replaced with 'porcelain'
fillings a few years ago for reasons of vanity.

Vanity - you? I'm surprised.

Heh, you obviously don't know me that well.

Post by Paul Corfield

Post by d***@burnt.org.uk
I had an op recently to remove a lump from my face. There were about
five people plus the consultant in the 'theatre'. All of the five were
eastern european (based on accent). Thank heavens they were there, I
was as nervous as hell about it since there was an outside chance I
could have ended up with a 'frozen' right hand side of my face if the
surgeon had hit a nerve (which the growth was close to.)

Eek.

It was a rather difficult consultation. I think the consultant was
enjoying watching me squirm when he told me this was a 'risk'.

Post by Paul Corfield

Post by d***@burnt.org.uk
I, for one, am grateful for our Government's progressive attitude
towards immigrant workers.

Being cynical you could say they have no damn choice but I do think
there is a genuine policy position that means they have a more
enlightened attitude. Shame the majority of the great British public
don't seem to share it judging from the usual grumbling "they're taking
our jobs" comments.

Oh, they have a choice. They could pander to the morons. Fortunately
they choose not to.

[Ali Hopkins]

Post by Paul Corfield

Post by d***@burnt.org.uk
I, for one, am grateful for our Government's progressive attitude
towards immigrant workers.

Being cynical you could say they have no damn choice but I do think
there is a genuine policy position that means they have a more
enlightened attitude. Shame the majority of the great British public
don't seem to share it judging from the usual grumbling "they're taking
our jobs" comments.

It's been like that for yonks round my way; the mix, I mean. Dentist when I
was a nipper was Pole, Doctor was Ugandan Asian, teachers came from all over
the place, likewise friends and neighbours. In the early 60s, my primary
school had over fifty different languages spoken. I like this. I lived
outside Lunnon for a year or two in a lower middle class white enclave in a
small village in Cambridgeshire. Never a more narrow minded inward looking
lot did you ever see. Damn boring, too.

Ali

[Beav]

Post by Ali Hopkins

Post by Beav

Post by Ali Hopkins
I dunno about that. Our green bin lorry hit bloke across road's Merc
last week. Driver came and knocked on several doors to see if we knew
who owned Merc and was very punctilious about leaving his details with
me to pass on to neighbour. I doubt said lorry driver earns much above
minimum.

You'd be quite surrised then. Bin men (specially the drivers) have never
been low paid. Unless things have changed, he won't be on crap money.
Probably not "IT" money, but still a pretty decent screw

Yabbut, these guys are outsourced to Onyx, rather than direct labour?

I'd expect them to be on even more money, but maybe not, I'm not familiar
with outsourced binmen.

I seem

Post by Ali Hopkins
to recall seeing ads for them in the local rag at about 7 or 8 squid an
hour. Which is not a good wage in Norf Lunnon.

It's not much of a wage anywhere I'd say.

I know that when they were

Post by Ali Hopkins
employed by the council, they didn't do badly. These days, they are all
Poles.

And that makes a difference?

[Ali Hopkins]

Post by Beav

Post by Ali Hopkins

Post by Beav

Post by Ali Hopkins
I dunno about that. Our green bin lorry hit bloke across road's Merc
last week. Driver came and knocked on several doors to see if we knew
who owned Merc and was very punctilious about leaving his details with
me to pass on to neighbour. I doubt said lorry driver earns much above
minimum.

Neighbour, btw, got back from hols a day or so back and I passed the details
over to him. He came over and knocked on me door today with a very nice box
of chocs and a bockle of Martell to say thank you. I didn't think I'd done a
great deal; but I thoguht it was jolly nice of him and accepted said goodies
with sincere thanks and grace.

Post by Beav

Post by Ali Hopkins

Post by Beav
You'd be quite surrised then. Bin men (specially the drivers) have never
been low paid. Unless things have changed, he won't be on crap money.
Probably not "IT" money, but still a pretty decent screw

Yabbut, these guys are outsourced to Onyx, rather than direct labour?

I'd expect them to be on even more money, but maybe not, I'm not familiar
with outsourced binmen.

Nope. Most local gummint staff who've been outsouriced have been shat on
badly. Despite TUPE. And the ones employed by Onyx post outsourcing get
very bad Ts and Cs indeed.

Post by Beav
I seem

Post by Ali Hopkins
to recall seeing ads for them in the local rag at about 7 or 8 squid an
hour. Which is not a good wage in Norf Lunnon.

It's not much of a wage anywhere I'd say.

Yup. My haridresser has a one bedroom maisonette. It's worth around £210K.

Post by Beav
I know that when they were

Post by Ali Hopkins
employed by the council, they didn't do badly. These days, they are all
Poles.

And that makes a difference?

They work damn hard, ime, but get even more crapped on in money terms.

Ali

[Veggie Dave]

Post by Ali Hopkins
I dunno about that. Our green bin lorry hit bloke across road's Merc last
week. Driver came and knocked on several doors to see if we knew who owned
Merc and was very punctilious about leaving his details with me to pass on
to neighbour. I doubt said lorry driver earns much above minimum.

I think you'll find dustbin men are actually paid remarkably well in
comparison to other jobs of a similar ilk.

But it's nice to hear that someone has the morals to admit they made a
mistake. Of course, it would be nicer if the person driving such a huge
vehicle was capable of actually controlling the damn thing, but that's
another matter...

[Wicked Uncle Nigel]

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Veggie Dave

Post by Veggie Dave

Post by Ali Hopkins
I dunno about that. Our green bin lorry hit bloke across road's Merc last
week. Driver came and knocked on several doors to see if we knew who owned
Merc and was very punctilious about leaving his details with me to pass on
to neighbour. I doubt said lorry driver earns much above minimum.

I think you'll find dustbin men are actually paid remarkably well in
comparison to other jobs of a similar ilk.
But it's nice to hear that someone has the morals to admit they made a
mistake. Of course, it would be nicer if the person driving such a huge
vehicle was capable of actually controlling the damn thing, but that's
another matter...

Bin lorries aren't that big, and are driven by humans[1].

I think the guy deserves credit for making the effort to "fess up" to
his mistake and put it right.

[1] Mostly.

[Beav]

Post by Veggie Dave

Post by ginge

Post by Veggie Dave
If the bikes had been damaged, do you really think anyone would have
owned up?

Had a think about this bit, and I suspect public liability insurance for
the company doing the fences would have come into play.

Some bloke, who gets paid naff all, is not going to own up to anything
that could possibly put his job at risk or make life any worse than it
already is.

And he may have thought he was doing WC a favour by folding his mirrors
back. He probably didn't realise they don't fold back like car mirrors.
Either that or he's a gobshite, but either way, you're right, he's not going
to own up.

[Whinging Courier]

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Veggie Dave belched forth and ejected the

Post by Veggie Dave

Post by ginge
Or lifted carefully, by several people.

If the bikes had been damaged, do you really think anyone would have
owned up?
Absolutely no chance in Hell.
Would you get pissed if someone got into your car to move it because it
was too inconvenient for them where it was or because they couldn't be
bothered to get off their fat arses to knock on your door?

Exactly!

Damage is fucking irrelevant here, it's just the fact the cunts felt
they'd take it upon themselves to move it[1].

It's not like my doorbell is any more than 20 fucking yards away!

[1] The rat, that's been run over by a bus and still goes, it's the Yam
I'm fucking pissed about.

[Beav]

Post by Veggie Dave

Post by ginge
Or lifted carefully, by several people.

If the bikes had been damaged, do you really think anyone would have
owned up?
Absolutely no chance in Hell.
Would you get pissed if someone got into your car to move it because it
was too inconvenient for them where it was or because they couldn't be
bothered to get off their fat arses to knock on your door?

Cars, they're the bane of the world.

Half past 3 this morning I feel, rather than hear, a
vibration/humming/fucking annoying noise, so I open yon bedroom window to
investigate. The cunt next door has cranked his car to defrost the fucker.
Half past three this. By 4 o'clock I was seriously unsettled, so I put me
dressing gown and clogs on and went outside to have words. No-one around, so
I got in his car and backed it two houses worth up t' street, parked it and
went back to bed.

I couldn't hear it after that and I'd have loved to see the twat's face when
he came out and discovered his car had ben "stolen", but I was too
knackered.

I'll leave it a few days before I tell him, coz he's not "really" a cunt,
just a thoughtless bleeder.

[Ali Hopkins]

Post by Beav
Half past 3 this morning I feel, rather than hear, a
vibration/humming/fucking annoying noise, so I open yon bedroom window to
investigate. The cunt next door has cranked his car to defrost the fucker.
Half past three this. By 4 o'clock I was seriously unsettled, so I put me
dressing gown and clogs on and went outside to have words. No-one around,
so I got in his car and backed it two houses worth up t' street, parked it
and went back to bed.
I couldn't hear it after that and I'd have loved to see the twat's face
when he came out and discovered his car had ben "stolen", but I was too
knackered.
I'll leave it a few days before I tell him, coz he's not "really" a cunt,
just a thoughtless bleeder.

Is he bigger than you, thobbut?

Ali

[Beav]

Post by Ali Hopkins

Post by Beav
Half past 3 this morning I feel, rather than hear, a
vibration/humming/fucking annoying noise, so I open yon bedroom window to
investigate. The cunt next door has cranked his car to defrost the
fucker. Half past three this. By 4 o'clock I was seriously unsettled, so
I put me dressing gown and clogs on and went outside to have words.
No-one around, so I got in his car and backed it two houses worth up t'
street, parked it and went back to bed.
I couldn't hear it after that and I'd have loved to see the twat's face
when he came out and discovered his car had ben "stolen", but I was too
knackered.
I'll leave it a few days before I tell him, coz he's not "really" a cunt,
just a thoughtless bleeder.

Is he bigger than you, thobbut?

Nah, smaller, but not a "bad" bloke. I actualy told him this afternoon when
I came back from a bimble. He was outside throwing dirty looks at his lawn
(a couple of inches of snow on it) with a face as long s I can remember, so
I thought I'd cheer him up. He wasn't pissed off either and he said he'd
cover his windscreen when it's freezing in future. That was after I said "I
*could* have just fucked off with it or it could've been a REAL tea-leaf.

[Whinging Courier]

Post by Beav
Cars, they're the bane of the world.
Half past 3 this morning I feel, rather than hear, a
vibration/humming/fucking annoying noise, so I open yon bedroom window to
investigate. The cunt next door has cranked his car to defrost the fucker.
Half past three this. By 4 o'clock I was seriously unsettled, so I put me
dressing gown and clogs on and went outside to have words. No-one around, so
I got in his car and backed it two houses worth up t' street, parked it and
went back to bed.

Hehehe.

Made oi charckle.

[Whinging Courier]

Post by ginge

Post by Whinging Courier

Post by ginge

Post by Whinging Courier
Not the jewellery and watches kind, or even the type with swords. No,
the wooden kind that creates boundaries.
The council have finally got round to starting a new fence down the side
of my house and garden. "Great", I think, until today when I get home
from work and they've moved two motorbikes[1], bent the mirrors of the
R1 in and moved it round. I've checked for damage but I was incensed!
Cunts, I'll fucking kill 'em.

Odd reaction, I'd be grateful somebody thought to move them rather than
running the risk of damaging them putting the fence up.

'Scuse me, the two bike they moved were chained together and both in
gear. They're still in the same condition, I.e chained together and in
gear. The mirrors are bent back on the R1 which they wetren't this
morning, which means they've been dragged/manhandled.

Or lifted carefully, by several people.

Yeah, I suppose they were bikers, too.

Post by ginge
Putting the mirrors back, says to me, whoever did it had a vague clue
about what they were doing.

Grrr... You'd be NFG in a pub brawl! ;-)

[Steve Robinson]

Post by Whinging Courier

Post by ginge

Post by Whinging Courier

Post by ginge

Post by Whinging Courier
Not the jewellery and watches kind, or even the type with swords. No,
the wooden kind that creates boundaries.
The council have finally got round to starting a new fence down the side
of my house and garden. "Great", I think, until today when I get home
from work and they've moved two motorbikes[1], bent the mirrors of the
R1 in and moved it round. I've checked for damage but I was incensed!
Cunts, I'll fucking kill 'em.

Odd reaction, I'd be grateful somebody thought to move them rather than
running the risk of damaging them putting the fence up.

'Scuse me, the two bike they moved were chained together and both in
gear. They're still in the same condition, I.e chained together and in
gear. The mirrors are bent back on the R1 which they wetren't this
morning, which means they've been dragged/manhandled.

Or lifted carefully, by several people.

Yeah, I suppose they were bikers, too.

Post by ginge
Putting the mirrors back, says to me, whoever did it had a vague clue
about what they were doing.

Grrr... You'd be NFG in a pub brawl! ;-)

What would you rather they do , leave the fence down so the local scalleys
can nick your bikes , kick the bikes over , creosote them

or move them without damaging them , even going to the trouble of flicking
the mirrors back and knocking them back in gear so if the did nudge them as
they walked past they were less likely to be rolled off the stands .

me thinks in this instance your a muppet

[Whinging Courier]

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Steve Robinson belched forth and ejected the

Post by Steve Robinson
What would you rather they do , leave the fence down so the local scalleys
can nick your bikes , kick the bikes over , creosote them
or move them without damaging them , even going to the trouble of flicking
the mirrors back and knocking them back in gear so if the did nudge them as
they walked past they were less likely to be rolled off the stands .

You're missing the point. The two bikes were chained together in such a
way as to make therm next-to-impossible to move.

The fact there's no (apparent) damage is irrelevant. The potential for
damage was very high because of the way they were chained together.

Post by Steve Robinson
me thinks in this instance your a muppet

Think what you like, Pal, it didn't happen to you, did it?

[Steve Robinson]

Post by Whinging Courier
In uk.rec.motorcycles, Steve Robinson belched forth and ejected the

Post by Steve Robinson
What would you rather they do , leave the fence down so the local scalleys
can nick your bikes , kick the bikes over , creosote them
or move them without damaging them , even going to the trouble of flicking
the mirrors back and knocking them back in gear so if the did nudge them as
they walked past they were less likely to be rolled off the stands .

You're missing the point. The two bikes were chained together in such a
way as to make therm next-to-impossible to move.
The fact there's no (apparent) damage is irrelevant. The potential for
damage was very high because of the way they were chained together.

Post by Steve Robinson
me thinks in this instance your a muppet

Think what you like, Pal, it didn't happen to you, did it?

No it didn't but i would be more than pleased if it had i would rather come
home to moved undamaged bikes .

[t***@yahoo.co.uk]

Post by Whinging Courier
The mirrors are bent back on the R1 which they wetren't this
morning, which means they've been dragged/manhandled.
It's like some fucking stanger touching up your bird!

Strangely errotic?

[wessie]

ginge emerged from their own little world to say

Post by ginge

Post by Whinging Courier
Not the jewellery and watches kind, or even the type with swords. No,
the wooden kind that creates boundaries.
The council have finally got round to starting a new fence down the
side of my house and garden. "Great", I think, until today when I get
home from work and they've moved two motorbikes[1], bent the mirrors
of the R1 in and moved it round. I've checked for damage but I was
incensed!
Cunts, I'll fucking kill 'em.

Odd reaction, I'd be grateful somebody thought to move them rather
than running the risk of damaging them putting the fence up.

Indeed.

Before rattling cages WC needs to check his lease. It probably entitles the
landlord to move items to carry out maintenance. Also, lots of leases have
clauses stating that vehicles should only be parked in appropriate spaces
[1]. Wouldn't want a jobsworth coming around and telling him to park the
bikes in the street.

[1] I remember Herefordshire doing this to try to reduce the number of
scrap cars parked on the lawns of the delightful Tudorville.

[Champ]

On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:50:12 -0000, Whinging Courier

Post by Whinging Courier
Not the jewellery and watches kind, or even the type with swords. No,
the wooden kind that creates boundaries.
The council have finally got round to starting a new fence down the side
of my house and garden. "Great", I think, until today when I get home
from work and they've moved two motorbikes[1], bent the mirrors of the
R1 in and moved it round. I've checked for damage but I was incensed!
I'm really glad they weren't here because my first thought was to knock
the cunt out responsible for touching it.
There appears to be no damage but I've already found out who the company
is and even if I can't claim for damages (thinks of a new bellypan) I'll
make damn sure they're sick of the sight and sound of me by the time I'm
finished.

You are BRC AICMFF slammed doors and temper tantrums.

[ginge]

Post by Champ
On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:50:12 -0000, Whinging Courier

Post by Whinging Courier
Not the jewellery and watches kind, or even the type with swords. No,
the wooden kind that creates boundaries.
The council have finally got round to starting a new fence down the side
of my house and garden. "Great", I think, until today when I get home
from work and they've moved two motorbikes[1], bent the mirrors of the
R1 in and moved it round. I've checked for damage but I was incensed!
I'm really glad they weren't here because my first thought was to knock
the cunt out responsible for touching it.
There appears to be no damage but I've already found out who the company
is and even if I can't claim for damages (thinks of a new bellypan) I'll
make damn sure they're sick of the sight and sound of me by the time I'm
finished.

You are BRC AICMFF slammed doors and temper tantrums.

I was thinking that all along.

Perhaps R1 ownership does something to people..

[steve auvache]

Post by ginge

Post by Champ
On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:50:12 -0000, Whinging Courier

Post by Whinging Courier
Not the jewellery and watches kind, or even the type with swords. No,
the wooden kind that creates boundaries.
The council have finally got round to starting a new fence down the side
of my house and garden. "Great", I think, until today when I get home
from work and they've moved two motorbikes[1], bent the mirrors of the
R1 in and moved it round. I've checked for damage but I was incensed!
I'm really glad they weren't here because my first thought was to knock
the cunt out responsible for touching it.
There appears to be no damage but I've already found out who the company
is and even if I can't claim for damages (thinks of a new bellypan) I'll
make damn sure they're sick of the sight and sound of me by the time I'm
finished.

You are BRC AICMFF slammed doors and temper tantrums.

I was thinking that all along.
Perhaps R1 ownership does something to people..

Uncovers previously hidden "depths"?

[Whinging Courier]

In uk.rec.motorcycles, steve auvache belched forth and ejected the

Post by steve auvache

Post by ginge

Post by Champ
On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:50:12 -0000, Whinging Courier

Post by Whinging Courier
Not the jewellery and watches kind, or even the type with swords. No,
the wooden kind that creates boundaries.
The council have finally got round to starting a new fence down the side
of my house and garden. "Great", I think, until today when I get home
from work and they've moved two motorbikes[1], bent the mirrors of the
R1 in and moved it round. I've checked for damage but I was incensed!
I'm really glad they weren't here because my first thought was to knock
the cunt out responsible for touching it.
There appears to be no damage but I've already found out who the company
is and even if I can't claim for damages (thinks of a new bellypan) I'll
make damn sure they're sick of the sight and sound of me by the time I'm
finished.

You are BRC AICMFF slammed doors and temper tantrums.

I was thinking that all along.
Perhaps R1 ownership does something to people..

Uncovers previously hidden "depths"?

I think unhiding something you're proud of more uncovers it.

It don't really matter if it's an R1 or a Blade (second choice) or
whatever.

I've worked bloody hard to save the money for that bike and the fact
it's outside make NFD as to its integrity.

I'll kill the cunts.

I mean it.

[steve auvache]

Post by Whinging Courier
I'll kill the cunts.

Killing is too good for them, I am very much a lifetime of pain and
suffering man me.

Post by Whinging Courier
I mean it.

[Champ]

On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:26:20 -0000, Whinging Courier

Post by Whinging Courier

Post by steve auvache

Post by ginge

Post by Champ

Post by Whinging Courier
There appears to be no damage but I've already found out who the company
is and even if I can't claim for damages (thinks of a new bellypan) I'll
make damn sure they're sick of the sight and sound of me by the time I'm
finished.

You are BRC AICMFF slammed doors and temper tantrums.

I was thinking that all along.
Perhaps R1 ownership does something to people..

Uncovers previously hidden "depths"?

I think unhiding something you're proud of more uncovers it.
It don't really matter if it's an R1 or a Blade (second choice) or
whatever.
I've worked bloody hard to save the money for that bike and the fact
it's outside make NFD as to its integrity.
I'll kill the cunts.
I mean it.

Well, at least once you're banged up for a good stretch for murder I
won't have to see your drivel on here.

Bit hard on the bloke doing the fencing, tho.

[Ali Hopkins]

Post by Whinging Courier
I've worked bloody hard to save the money for that bike and the fact
it's outside make NFD as to its integrity.

Have you thought about buying a shed? I'd not leave summat valuable outside
anyplace.

Ali

[Andy Bonwick]

Post by Champ
On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:50:12 -0000, Whinging Courier

Post by Whinging Courier
Not the jewellery and watches kind, or even the type with swords. No,
the wooden kind that creates boundaries.
The council have finally got round to starting a new fence down the side
of my house and garden. "Great", I think, until today when I get home
from work and they've moved two motorbikes[1], bent the mirrors of the
R1 in and moved it round. I've checked for damage but I was incensed!
I'm really glad they weren't here because my first thought was to knock
the cunt out responsible for touching it.
There appears to be no damage but I've already found out who the company
is and even if I can't claim for damages (thinks of a new bellypan) I'll
make damn sure they're sick of the sight and sound of me by the time I'm
finished.

You are BRC AICMFF slammed doors and temper tantrums.

Bwahahaha. See my earlier post.

[Lozzo]

Champ said...

Post by Champ
On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:50:12 -0000, Whinging Courier

Post by Whinging Courier
The council have finally got round to starting a new fence down the side
of my house and garden. "Great", I think, until today when I get home
from work and they've moved two motorbikes[1], bent the mirrors of the
R1 in and moved it round. I've checked for damage but I was incensed!

<snip>

Post by Champ
You are BRC AICMFF slammed doors and temper tantrums.

I'm saying nuffink!

[z***@technologist.com]

Post by Lozzo
Champ said...

Post by Champ

Post by Whinging Courier
The council have finally got round to starting a new fence down the side
of my house and garden. "Great", I think, until today when I get home
from work and they've moved two motorbikes[1], bent the mirrors of the
R1 in and moved it round. I've checked for damage but I was incensed!

<snip>

Post by Champ
You are BRC AICMFF slammed doors and temper tantrums.

I'm saying nuffink!

Fucking coward ;-)

HTH

Paul.

[Andy Bonwick]

On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:50:12 -0000, Whinging Courier

Post by Whinging Courier
Not the jewellery and watches kind, or even the type with swords. No,
the wooden kind that creates boundaries.
The council have finally got round to starting a new fence down the side
of my house and garden. "Great", I think, until today when I get home
from work and they've moved two motorbikes[1], bent the mirrors of the
R1 in and moved it round. I've checked for damage but I was incensed!

Would you have preferred it if they hadn't moved it and they'd damaged
it because it was in the way? It might actually have been someone who
rides bikes moved it because they didn't want it damaged.

I'm surprised at your reaction tbh.

[Whinging Courier]

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Andy Bonwick belched forth and ejected the

Post by Champ
On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:50:12 -0000, Whinging Courier

Post by Whinging Courier
Not the jewellery and watches kind, or even the type with swords. No,
the wooden kind that creates boundaries.
The council have finally got round to starting a new fence down the side
of my house and garden. "Great", I think, until today when I get home
from work and they've moved two motorbikes[1], bent the mirrors of the
R1 in and moved it round. I've checked for damage but I was incensed!

Would you have preferred it if they hadn't moved it and they'd damaged
it because it was in the way? It might actually have been someone who
rides bikes moved it because they didn't want it damaged.
I'm surprised at your reaction tbh.

<Long, deep sigh>

OK, OK, OK...

I'm beaten to submission.

I was a cunt for being pissed off about a complete stranger moving my
bike and the fact it could easily have been nicked when I thought it was
(for London) relatively secure.

<Rolls eyes>

Jeeeezz...

</re>

You lot are a bunch of fucking cunts and no mistake.

"I shall vreek my rewengee".

[Beav]

Post by Whinging Courier
Not the jewellery and watches kind, or even the type with swords. No,
the wooden kind that creates boundaries.
The council have finally got round to starting a new fence down the side
of my house and garden. "Great", I think, until today when I get home
from work and they've moved two motorbikes[1], bent the mirrors of the
R1 in and moved it round. I've checked for damage but I was incensed!
I'm really glad they weren't here because my first thought was to knock
the cunt out responsible for touching it.
There appears to be no damage but I've already found out who the company
is and even if I can't claim for damages (thinks of a new bellypan) I'll
make damn sure they're sick of the sight and sound of me by the time I'm
finished.
[1] The R1 and RatBike that were chained together, both in gear and both
still in gear.
Cunts, I'll fucking kill 'em.

Last year I painted a 1980something LC125 for an enthusiast. He was blown
away by the job and told me he was going to keep it in his hallway for
safety reasons. I said "Covered up I hope" and left him to it.

He rang me a couple of days later and told me one of the plumper/builder
types working on his house had clobbered the tank (no stickers on this
fucker, just 4 colours, that's all, just the 4) where the knee indentation
is, which dented it and took paint off down to the metal across all 4
colours. Not happy was he, especially when he wanted a "must have it fixed
by this weekend" job done and reaslised how much it was going to cost him.

I'm wondering if he'd have been quite as "happy" if the plumper had rolled
it into the dining room instead, because he knew this bloke wasn't going to
be involved in the paying process?

To move, or not to move?
--
Beav
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mail is beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com (with the obvious changes)

Post by Whinging Courier
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[dwb]

Post by Whinging Courier
Cunts, I'll fucking kill 'em.

This is the what, second time(?) you've complained about something I
presume is provided by the council to you without additional charge?
Why don't you tell the council to not send someone round and pay and
project manage it yourself? That way you can have full control over
what the contractor moves or does.

FWIW, I wish my council would replace my fence for nothing.

[Lozzo]

dwb said...

Post by dwb

Post by Whinging Courier
Cunts, I'll fucking kill 'em.

This is the what, second time(?) you've complained about something I
presume is provided by the council to you without additional charge?
Why don't you tell the council to not send someone round and pay and
project manage it yourself? That way you can have full control over
what the contractor moves or does.
FWIW, I wish my council would replace my fence for nothing.

WTF do you think he pays rent for, and rent's not cheap in London.

[dwb]

Post by Lozzo
WTF do you think he pays rent for

He's got what he's paying for as far as I can tell.

Post by Lozzo
and rent's not cheap in London.

Yes, I am aware of the price of renting in London (and other areas)
TYVM.

[Lozzo]

dwb said...

Post by dwb

Post by Lozzo
WTF do you think he pays rent for

He's got what he's paying for as far as I can tell.

Post by Lozzo
and rent's not cheap in London.

Yes, I am aware of the price of renting in London (and other areas)
TYVM.

So why the derogatory comments? Not everyone's on mega-bucks and we
can't all afford to buy.

[dwb]

Post by Lozzo

Post by dwb
He's got what he's paying for as far as I can tell.

Post by Lozzo
and rent's not cheap in London.

Yes, I am aware of the price of renting in London (and other areas)
TYVM.

So why the derogatory comments? Not everyone's on mega-bucks and we
can't all afford to buy.

I'm not on "megabucks" - you probably earn more than me. it's not even
about BUYING.

It was the whingeing about someone else trying to do their job (which
WC didn't have to pay EXTRA for) who took the time (or otherwise) to
shift his bike.

They could have just fucked off - would that have been better?

[Lozzo]

dwb said...

Post by dwb

Post by Lozzo

Post by dwb
He's got what he's paying for as far as I can tell.

Post by Lozzo
and rent's not cheap in London.

Yes, I am aware of the price of renting in London (and other areas)
TYVM.

So why the derogatory comments? Not everyone's on mega-bucks and we
can't all afford to buy.

I'm not on "megabucks" - you probably earn more than me. it's not even
about BUYING.

maybe you need reminding about other times you've had a go at those
earning less than you:

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.rec.motorcycles/browse_frm/thread/2c9
a36588ba0262e/50ccc24279105d99?lnk=st&q=group%
3Auk.rec.motorcycles+author%3Adwb&rnum=8&hl=en#50ccc24279105d99

FYI there are loads of folk on less than 290 quid a week. No doubt a
fair number of the posters and lurkers on this newsgroup earn less than
that. It boils my piss to hear some cunts deriding the lower paid at
times. I've been there, I know how fucking hard it is to survive.

Post by dwb
It was the whingeing about someone else trying to do their job (which
WC didn't have to pay EXTRA for) who took the time (or otherwise) to
shift his bike.

He pays his rent, the council have a duty as landlords to provide a
service, which includes fencing the property. It's inclusive, whether
you feel it should be paid for on top of rent is irrelevant, fact is,
it's included. If you're not happy about having to pay for fencing round
your property, sell your house and get council accomodation.

Post by dwb
They could have just fucked off - would that have been better?

I'd feel the same if I were in his position. I don't like people
touching my bike without good reason. If anyone does move it, I'd prefer
another biker to do it rather than some ham-fisted clueless type.

['Hog]

Post by Lozzo
FYI there are loads of folk on less than 290 quid a week. No doubt a
fair number of the posters and lurkers on this newsgroup earn less
than that. It boils my piss to hear some cunts deriding the lower
paid at times. I've been there, I know how fucking hard it is to
survive.

Like basic dole or a disability pension, that's seriously tough going

[Ali Hopkins]

Post by 'Hog

Post by Lozzo
FYI there are loads of folk on less than 290 quid a week. No doubt a
fair number of the posters and lurkers on this newsgroup earn less
than that. It boils my piss to hear some cunts deriding the lower
paid at times. I've been there, I know how fucking hard it is to
survive.

Like basic dole or a disability pension, that's seriously tough going

Or basic pension. My dad is on that, plus about £3K a year works pension.
Not a lot for two people after working for over forty years. He's registered
disabled, but as the registration was after he retired, it don't get him no
more dosh. Yes, I do feel peeved about that; his disability is as the
result of a war injury. He never asked for anything - but he never got it
offered, either. The one thing the US does well is to look after its
ex-service people.

Ali

[dwb]

Post by Lozzo
maybe you need reminding about other times you've had a go at those
FYI there are loads of folk on less than 290 quid a week. No doubt a
fair number of the posters and lurkers on this newsgroup earn less than
that. It boils my piss to hear some cunts deriding the lower paid at
times. I've been there, I know how fucking hard it is to survive.

Oh do fuck off Loz. One statement is not a "Reminding about other
times" - there are MANY others on here who have a much more frequent
dig at such things. As you may or may not know, I'm about to be made
redundant too - therefore it's rather close to home and therefore I can
say WTF I like about it.

Post by Lozzo
He pays his rent, the council have a duty as landlords to provide a
service, which includes fencing the property. It's inclusive, whether
you feel it should be paid for on top of rent is irrelevant, fact is,
it's included. If you're not happy about having to pay for fencing round
your property, sell your house and get council accomodation.

What are you on about? I didn't say it SHOULD be paid. I said if he's
not happy with what's provided he could pay for it himself - this gives
him full control.

Post by Lozzo
I'd feel the same if I were in his position. I don't like people
touching my bike without good reason. If anyone does move it, I'd prefer
another biker to do it rather than some ham-fisted clueless type.

So potentially damaging it much more is not a good reason?

How do you know it wasn't "another biker"?

Mind you don't hit the ground when you get off that horse - it seems
mighty high tonight.

[Lozzo]

dwb said...

Post by dwb

Post by Lozzo
maybe you need reminding about other times you've had a go at those
FYI there are loads of folk on less than 290 quid a week. No doubt a
fair number of the posters and lurkers on this newsgroup earn less than
that. It boils my piss to hear some cunts deriding the lower paid at
times. I've been there, I know how fucking hard it is to survive.

Oh do fuck off Loz. One statement is not a "Reminding about other
times" - there are MANY others on here who have a much more frequent
dig at such things. As you may or may not know, I'm about to be made
redundant too - therefore it's rather close to home and therefore I can
say WTF I like about it.

Sometimes it's better to say nothing at all. There are other instances,
but life's too short to waste time googling for the words of up
themselves cunts.

If you haven't made provision, on an IT consultant's salary, to cover
eventualities like redundancy, then tough shit, I have no sympathy. If
you aren't earning decent money in your IT position, then again, I have
no sympathy, Plenty of others are, find a better job.

Post by dwb

Post by Lozzo
He pays his rent, the council have a duty as landlords to provide a
service, which includes fencing the property. It's inclusive, whether
you feel it should be paid for on top of rent is irrelevant, fact is,
it's included. If you're not happy about having to pay for fencing round
your property, sell your house and get council accomodation.

What are you on about? I didn't say it SHOULD be paid. I said if he's
not happy with what's provided he could pay for it himself - this gives
him full control.

Why, when he pays rent and expects a service? If your local council
didn't empty your bins you wouldn't take them to the tip yourself, you'd
call the council up and demand they come back and empty them. You paid,
you expect a service to be supplied. I don't see that WC is any
different to anyone else in this respect.

Post by dwb

Post by Lozzo
I'd feel the same if I were in his position. I don't like people
touching my bike without good reason. If anyone does move it, I'd prefer
another biker to do it rather than some ham-fisted clueless type.

So potentially damaging it much more is not a good reason?
How do you know it wasn't "another biker"?
Mind you don't hit the ground when you get off that horse - it seems
mighty high tonight.

Pots and kettles come to mind. I'm not on a high horse, I'm speaking out
against up themselves cunts who should learn when to stop.

[dwb]

Post by Lozzo
Sometimes it's better to say nothing at all.

Oh sure, however...

Post by Lozzo
There are other instances,
but life's too short to waste time googling for the words of up
themselves cunts.

I'd have a look at what you post before suggesting others are "up
themselves".

Post by Lozzo
If you haven't made provision, on an IT consultant's salary, to cover
eventualities like redundancy, then tough shit, I have no sympathy. If
you aren't earning decent money in your IT position, then again, I have
no sympathy, Plenty of others are, find a better job.

You assume that I'd want your sympathy? I don't. I was pointing out
that I am, in my opinion, entitled to some trench humour. If you don't
see it as such, tough.

You also assume/presume about my finances, something you know nothing
about - that just makes you look (to me) stupid. Was that the
intention?

I'm not an IT consultant, equally I'm on perfectly decent (to me) money
- it's not just about the figure on the payslip - that said it's not a
particularly high number and I will maintain it's probably lower than
you earn.

Post by Lozzo
Pots and kettles come to mind. I'm not on a high horse, I'm speaking out
against up themselves cunts who should learn when to stop.

You know what you said up there ? "Sometimes it's better to say nothing
at all" ?

Try applying it to youself.

[mb]

Post by dwb

Post by Lozzo

Post by dwb
He's got what he's paying for as far as I can tell.

Post by Lozzo
and rent's not cheap in London.

Yes, I am aware of the price of renting in London (and other
areas) TYVM.

So why the derogatory comments? Not everyone's on mega-bucks and we
can't all afford to buy.

I'm not on "megabucks" - you probably earn more than me. it's not even
about BUYING.
It was the whingeing about someone else trying to do their job (which
WC didn't have to pay EXTRA for) who took the time (or otherwise) to
shift his bike.

He pays for it - he pays rent.

Post by dwb
They could have just fucked off - would that have been better?

I suspect that would have been WC's preferred option, rather than
having his R1 dragged around by the mirrors.

[Andy Bonwick]

On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:26:42 -0600, "mb" <***@SPAMgmail.com>
wrote:
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Post by mb
I suspect that would have been WC's preferred option, rather than
having his R1 dragged around by the mirrors.

If they'd dragged it by the mirrors they would have broken off.

The fact that the mirrors were moved is what suggests to me that it
was moved by someone who knew what they were doing and probably meant
well.

[mb]

Post by Andy Bonwick
snip>

Post by mb
I suspect that would have been WC's preferred option, rather than
having his R1 dragged around by the mirrors.

If they'd dragged it by the mirrors they would have broken off.
The fact that the mirrors were moved is what suggests to me that it
was moved by someone who knew what they were doing and probably meant
well.

Hmm, why move the bike AND fold the mirrors in? If they moved the bike
to a position where it wouldn't get damaged, then they wouldn't need to
move the mirrors.

[Whinging Courier]

Post by mb

Post by Andy Bonwick
snip>

Post by mb
I suspect that would have been WC's preferred option, rather than
having his R1 dragged around by the mirrors.

If they'd dragged it by the mirrors they would have broken off.
The fact that the mirrors were moved is what suggests to me that it
was moved by someone who knew what they were doing and probably meant
well.

Hmm, why move the bike AND fold the mirrors in? If they moved the bike
to a position where it wouldn't get damaged, then they wouldn't need to
move the mirrors.

Exactly. It was under the cover, too which suggests to me they just got
hold of the front of it and yanked it round and the mirrors folded in as
a consequence of the "head lock" of moving it.

[dwb]

Post by mb

Post by dwb
It was the whingeing about someone else trying to do their job (which
WC didn't have to pay EXTRA for) who took the time (or otherwise) to
shift his bike.

He pays for it - he pays rent.

Is the word "EXTRA" only visible to me?

Post by mb

Post by dwb
They could have just fucked off - would that have been better?

I suspect that would have been WC's preferred option, rather than
having his R1 dragged around by the mirrors.

Oh sure. The downside is the fence doesn't get fixed for the next x
months.

<shrug> You know what? I don't actually give a fig - I equally wouldn't
expect any in return should I post about such things.

[Lozzo]

dwb said...

Post by dwb

Post by mb

Post by dwb
It was the whingeing about someone else trying to do their job (which
WC didn't have to pay EXTRA for) who took the time (or otherwise) to
shift his bike.

He pays for it - he pays rent.

Is the word "EXTRA" only visible to me?

Why should EXTRA be in there anyway? You're implying he;s getting the
fencing free, which isn't the case.

[Whinging Courier]

Post by Lozzo
dwb said...

Post by dwb

Post by mb

Post by dwb
It was the whingeing about someone else trying to do their job (which
WC didn't have to pay EXTRA for) who took the time (or otherwise) to
shift his bike.

He pays for it - he pays rent.

Is the word "EXTRA" only visible to me?

Why should EXTRA be in there anyway? You're implying he;s getting the
fencing free, which isn't the case.

I'll be getting replacement double glazed windows this year, too.

Seems I moved in at just the right time ;-)

[Andy Bonwick]

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 03:23:44 -0000, Whinging Courier

Post by Whinging Courier

Post by Lozzo
dwb said...

Post by dwb

Post by mb

Post by dwb
It was the whingeing about someone else trying to do their job (which
WC didn't have to pay EXTRA for) who took the time (or otherwise) to
shift his bike.

He pays for it - he pays rent.

Is the word "EXTRA" only visible to me?

Why should EXTRA be in there anyway? You're implying he;s getting the
fencing free, which isn't the case.

I'll be getting replacement double glazed windows this year, too.
Seems I moved in at just the right time ;-)

They'll evict you and move in twenty Polish bin men.

[Cab]

Post by mb

Post by dwb
They could have just fucked off - would that have been better?

I suspect that would have been WC's preferred option, rather than
having his R1 dragged around by the mirrors.

It was a bit out of order. But were the bikes parked in a designated
parking spot, in his drive or on the pavement? The workmen may have
thought that the bikes shouldn't have been wherever they were and
didn't give a shit.

[Whinging Courier]

Post by dwb

Post by Whinging Courier
Cunts, I'll fucking kill 'em.

This is the what, second time(?) you've complained about something I
presume is provided by the council to you without additional charge?
Why don't you tell the council to not send someone round and pay and
project manage it yourself? That way you can have full control over
what the contractor moves or does.

BTW, I've fixed the bolier myself. After several visits by a bunch of
clueless cunts, it didn't work any/much better than before I called them
out, so in the middle of the night last week, I got pissed off with it
and fixed it then and there. So far it's worked flawlessly.

Post by dwb
FWIW, I wish my council would replace my fence for nothing.

It would've been nice for them to let me know work was going to start,
which is kind of my point; I could've moved the bikes and prevented any
of this.

Oh, and BTW, that's what you get for being a pikey and buying your own
house, innit.