Tory conference and Tory lies

[Stephen Cole]

As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

[Keema's Nan]

Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?

[Brian Gaff]

Actually I don't believe anything until it happens myself. There is no money
after all.
So unless we engage slave labour then the capitalist system as it currently
exists is just like a plant starved of water.
Brian
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Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I've got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?

[Rod Speed]

Post by Brian Gaff
Actually I don't believe anything until it happens myself.
There is no money after all.

There is plenty of money, what used to be sent
to the EU and the exit fee if it’s a no deal brexit.

Post by Brian Gaff
So unless we engage slave labour then the capitalist system as it
currently exists is just like a plant starved of water.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that’s saying something.

Post by Brian Gaff

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I've got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?

[Peeler]

On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:38:04 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH Australian's asshole latest trollshit>

[Stephen Cole]

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?

I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.

[Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq]

On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?

I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.

It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
and as with anything if you saturate the media with lies and
misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs someone to
point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to raise taxes
to start the howls of ridicule and hate.

Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.

Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)

AB

[Rod Speed]

Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?

I'm interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the "pledges" being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.

It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,

More fool you. Boris decides what the govt does spending wise.

Trump doesn't, stupid.

[Peeler]

On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:43:57 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Post by Rod Speed
More fool you. Boris

None of yours, senile troll!

Post by Rod Speed
Trump

None of yours, either, senile troll!

[Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq]

On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:43:57 +1000, "Rod Speed"

Post by Rod Speed

Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?

I'm interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the "pledges" being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.

It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,

More fool you. Boris decides what the govt does spending wise.
Trump doesn't, stupid.

Sorry Rodders, sometimes I forget that there are none English speakers
using the NG.

Trump has got away with lies and false promises for his entire
presidency. Boris appears to think that emulating him is a key to
success.

Do try to keep up Rodders.

AB

[Rod Speed]

Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:43:57 +1000, "Rod Speed"

Post by Rod Speed

Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?

I'm interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the "pledges" being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.

It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,

More fool you. Boris decides what the govt does spending wise.
Trump doesn't, stupid.

Sorry Rodders, sometimes I forget that there are none English speakers
using the NG.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
Trump has got away with lies and false
promises for his entire presidency.

And that's what has got him elected in the first place.

Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
Boris appears to think that emulating him is a key to success.

Even sillier than you usually manage, and that's saying something.

He did get to be mayor, twice. More than you ever managed.

[Peeler]

On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 20:33:44 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Post by Rod Speed
You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

You certainly keep bullshiting your way FAST into your grave, you abnormal
85-year-old trolling senile pest!

[Stephen Cole]

Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?

I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.

It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
and as with anything if you saturate the media with lies and
misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs someone to
point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to raise taxes
to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)

What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist and
Arcruri allegations have led the news cycle for the last few days. It goes
to show that BoJo and Dom don’t have anywhere near the level of control
that they wish they had, which is going to cause them big problems given
the fanny-crazed Johnson’s sordid personal life (nobody actually knows how
many children he’s spawned). If there’s one thing that the British tabloids
can’t resist it’s a good old-fashioned political sex scandal, and it looks
like they’re starting to dig their teeth into the shambling sack of cum
that currently occupies Number 10.

[Ian Jackson]

Post by Stephen Cole

Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole

Post by Stephen Cole

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?

I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.

It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
and as with anything if you saturate the media with lies and
misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs someone to
point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to raise taxes
to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)

What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist and
Arcruri allegations have led the news cycle for the last few days. It goes
to show that BoJo and Dom don’t have anywhere near the level of control
that they wish they had, which is going to cause them big problems given
the fanny-crazed Johnson’s sordid personal life (nobody actually knows how
many children he’s spawned). If there’s one thing that the British tabloids
can’t resist it’s a good old-fashioned political sex scandal, and it looks
like they’re starting to dig their teeth into the shambling sack of cum
that currently occupies Number 10.

While the Arcruri allegations might give cause for concern, who cares a
damn whether he groped* someone's thigh (or any other part of their
anatomy) 20 years ago?
*Does squeezing a thigh count as a 'grope'?

[Stephen Cole]

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Stephen Cole

Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole

Post by Stephen Cole

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?

I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.

It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
and as with anything if you saturate the media with lies and
misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs someone to
point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to raise taxes
to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)

What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist and
Arcruri allegations have led the news cycle for the last few days. It goes
to show that BoJo and Dom don’t have anywhere near the level of control
that they wish they had, which is going to cause them big problems given
the fanny-crazed Johnson’s sordid personal life (nobody actually knows how
many children he’s spawned). If there’s one thing that the British tabloids
can’t resist it’s a good old-fashioned political sex scandal, and it looks
like they’re starting to dig their teeth into the shambling sack of cum
that currently occupies Number 10.

While the Arcruri allegations might give cause for concern, who cares a
damn whether he groped* someone's thigh (or any other part of their
anatomy) 20 years ago?

A lot of people care about sexual assault, tbh.

Post by Ian Jackson
*Does squeezing a thigh count as a 'grope'?

Yes, or to use its correct term; sexual assault. HTH.

[Keema's Nan]

Post by Stephen Cole

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Stephen Cole

Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole

Post by Stephen Cole

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If
the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they
all think
as you do?

I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges”
being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.

It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
and as with anything if you saturate the media with lies and
misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs someone to
point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to raise taxes
to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)

What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist and
Arcruri allegations have led the news cycle for the last few days. It goes
to show that BoJo and Dom don’t have anywhere near the level of control
that they wish they had, which is going to cause them big problems given
the fanny-crazed Johnson’s sordid personal life (nobody actually knows how
many children he’s spawned). If there’s one thing that the British tabloids
can’t resist it’s a good old-fashioned political sex scandal, and it looks
like they’re starting to dig their teeth into the shambling sack of cum
that currently occupies Number 10.

While the Arcruri allegations might give cause for concern, who cares a
damn whether he groped* someone's thigh (or any other part of their
anatomy) 20 years ago?

A lot of people care about sexual assault, tbh.

Post by Ian Jackson
*Does squeezing a thigh count as a 'grope'?

Yes, or to use its correct term; sexual assault.

I see. So in your little world, women want no physical contact from men
whatsoever - unless it has been invited, agreed and signed in triplicate
beforehand?

Good luck with the rest of your miserable existence.

[Stephen Cole]

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Stephen Cole

Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole

Post by Stephen Cole

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?

I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.

It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
and as with anything if you saturate the media with lies and
misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs someone to
point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to raise taxes
to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)

What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist and
Arcruri allegations have led the news cycle for the last few days. It goes
to show that BoJo and Dom don’t have anywhere near the level of control
that they wish they had, which is going to cause them big problems given
the fanny-crazed Johnson’s sordid personal life (nobody actually knows how
many children he’s spawned). If there’s one thing that the British tabloids
can’t resist it’s a good old-fashioned political sex scandal, and it looks
like they’re starting to dig their teeth into the shambling sack of cum
that currently occupies Number 10.

While the Arcruri allegations might give cause for concern, who cares a
damn whether he groped* someone's thigh (or any other part of their
anatomy) 20 years ago?

A lot of people care about sexual assault, tbh.

Post by Ian Jackson
*Does squeezing a thigh count as a 'grope'?

Yes, or to use its correct term; sexual assault.

I see. So in your little world, women want no physical contact from men
whatsoever - unless it has been invited, agreed and signed in triplicate
beforehand?
Good luck with the rest of your miserable existence.

If some does it at, say, a work meeting or meal, even to a colleague
they may know, or someone perhaps on bus, in a restaurant etc who they
either don't know aren't in some (even initial stages of) a relationship
with, then it is totally different to a couple who are being, shall we
say, 'playful' on a date etc. If people refuse to accept that, that any
form of 'snogging' (or whatever the current term is) by courting couples
is must be no more that a string of sexual assaults in Steve's eyes.
Certainly women, and men, should be able to about their job and normal
life without having to worrying about 'wandering hands' or even sexual
innuendo. While such things may have been considerable 'acceptable'
(note my quotes) in the past, that doesn't mean they are now or should
have been then.
Having said that, while I am all for nailing sexual offenders to
crosses, I don't for one moment believe that all the claims made about
famous people are true. Certainly those that are timed so conveniently
are extremely dubious.

Good to know you’re on the side of victims of sexual assault, Brian ...
Paul may well find your above post useful in any potential future
litigation.

[Norman Wells]

Post by Stephen Cole

Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?

I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.

It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
and as with anything if you saturate the media with lies and
misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs someone to
point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to raise taxes
to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)

What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist

... 20 years ago, only allegedly, and with no description of what this
'groping' consisted of. A pat on the back perhaps? That would probably
count in these snowflake times.

Post by Stephen Cole
and

... pretty trivial

Post by Stephen Cole
Arcruri allegations have led the news cycle for the last few days. It goes
to show that BoJo and Dom don’t have anywhere near the level of control
that they wish they had, which is going to cause them big problems given
the fanny-crazed Johnson’s sordid personal life (nobody actually knows how
many children he’s spawned).

Does it matter?

If there’s one thing that the British tabloids

Post by Stephen Cole
can’t resist it’s a good old-fashioned political sex scandal,

Where's the 'scandal'. 'Attractive man enjoys sex with women'?

Post by Stephen Cole
and it looks
like they’re starting to dig their teeth into the shambling sack of cum
that currently occupies Number 10.

They're actually trying to dig up any minor dirt they possibly can.
They know no-one else can win while he's still there. And if that's the
best they've got, it's utterly pathetic.

[Keema's Nan]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by Stephen Cole

Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole

Post by Stephen Cole

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If
the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?

I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.

It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
and as with anything if you saturate the media with lies and
misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs someone to
point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to raise taxes
to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)

What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist

... 20 years ago, only allegedly, and with no description of what this
'groping' consisted of. A pat on the back perhaps?

A hand on the thigh with a squeeze that grabbed “enough inner flesh beneath
his fingers” to make her “sit upright”.

According to the front page shock/horror outrage article in the
MI5/Bilderberg Daily (aka The Guardian).

Post by Norman Wells
That would probably
count in these snowflake times.

Post by Stephen Cole
and

... pretty trivial

Post by Stephen Cole
Arcruri allegations have led the news cycle for the last few days. It goes
to show that BoJo and Dom don’t have anywhere near the level of control
that they wish they had, which is going to cause them big problems given
the fanny-crazed Johnson’s sordid personal life (nobody actually knows how
many children he’s spawned).

Does it matter?
If there’s one thing that the British tabloids

Post by Stephen Cole
can’t resist it’s a good old-fashioned political sex scandal,

Where's the 'scandal'. 'Attractive man enjoys sex with women'?

Post by Stephen Cole
and it looks
like they’re starting to dig their teeth into the shambling sack of cum
that currently occupies Number 10.

They're actually trying to dig up any minor dirt they possibly can.
They know no-one else can win while he's still there. And if that's the
best they've got, it's utterly pathetic.

[charles]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by Stephen Cole

Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are?
If the latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they
all think as you do?

I<m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the >pledges" being
made by the Tory leader. HTH.

It is beyond belief. I can only assume that as it works for Trump it
will work for Boris, and as with anything if you saturate the media
with lies and misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs
someone to point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to
raise taxes to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)

What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist

... 20 years ago, only allegedly, and with no description of what this
'groping' consisted of. A pat on the back perhaps?

Very clear in the newspaper acticle: A hand on the upper thigh - moving
upwards.

[abelard]

Post by charles

Post by Norman Wells

Post by Stephen Cole

Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are?
If the latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they
all think as you do?

I<m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the >pledges" being
made by the Tory leader. HTH.

It is beyond belief. I can only assume that as it works for Trump it
will work for Boris, and as with anything if you saturate the media
with lies and misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs
someone to point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to
raise taxes to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)

What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist

... 20 years ago, only allegedly, and with no description of what this
'groping' consisted of. A pat on the back perhaps?

Very clear in the newspaper acticle: A hand on the upper thigh - moving
upwards.

at what speed?

which 'news'paper?

i'm shocked and outraged...i hope you also are...

[charles]

Post by abelard

Post by charles

Post by Norman Wells

Post by Stephen Cole

Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly
are? If the latter, why do you persist in supporting these
charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they
all think as you do?

I<m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the >pledges"
being made by the Tory leader. HTH.

It is beyond belief. I can only assume that as it works for Trump
it will work for Boris, and as with anything if you saturate the
media with lies and misinformation people become blinded. It only
then needs someone to point out the blatantly obvious such as
Corbyn having to raise taxes to start the howls of ridicule and
hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's
givaway time :-)

What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist

... 20 years ago, only allegedly, and with no description of what this
'groping' consisted of. A pat on the back perhaps?

Very clear in the newspaper acticle: A hand on the upper thigh - moving
upwards.

at what speed?
which 'news'paper?

"Sunday Times"

[Norman Wells]

Post by abelard

Post by charles

Post by Norman Wells

Post by Stephen Cole
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist

... 20 years ago, only allegedly, and with no description of what this
'groping' consisted of. A pat on the back perhaps?

Very clear in the newspaper acticle: A hand on the upper thigh - moving
upwards.

at what speed?
which 'news'paper?
i'm shocked and outraged...i hope you also are...

I am shocked beyond measure. If he's squeezed a woman's thigh, he
should clearly be stripped naked, tarred and feathered and paraded
through the streets of London before being hung, drawn and quartered.
The fiend!

[Keema's Nan]

Post by abelard

Post by charles

Post by Norman Wells

Post by Stephen Cole

Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are?
If the latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they
all think as you do?

I<m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the>pledges" being
made by the Tory leader. HTH.

It is beyond belief. I can only assume that as it works for Trump it
will work for Boris, and as with anything if you saturate the media
with lies and misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs
someone to point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to
raise taxes to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)

What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist

... 20 years ago, only allegedly, and with no description of what this
'groping' consisted of. A pat on the back perhaps?

Very clear in the newspaper acticle: A hand on the upper thigh - moving
upwards.

at what speed?
which 'news'paper?
i'm shocked and outraged...i hope you also are...

The victim was so shocked and outraged that she said nothing for 20 years.

[Norman Wells]

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by abelard

Post by charles

Post by Norman Wells

Post by Stephen Cole

Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are?
If the latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they
all think as you do?

I<m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the>pledges" being
made by the Tory leader. HTH.

It is beyond belief. I can only assume that as it works for Trump it
will work for Boris, and as with anything if you saturate the media
with lies and misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs
someone to point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to
raise taxes to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)

What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist

... 20 years ago, only allegedly, and with no description of what this
'groping' consisted of. A pat on the back perhaps?

Very clear in the newspaper acticle: A hand on the upper thigh - moving
upwards.

at what speed?
which 'news'paper?
i'm shocked and outraged...i hope you also are...

The victim was so shocked and outraged that she said nothing for 20 years.

Stunned into silence probably, traumatised, almost certainly blotting it
out because it is so painful to remember. Only now after extensive
counselling and therapy does she feel able to put her twopennorth (not
to be confused with her tuppence) into the character debate about a
Prime Minister determined to bring Brexit about. Which of course has
nothing to do with it.

[Keema's Nan]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by abelard

Post by charles

Post by Norman Wells

Post by Stephen Cole

Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are?
If the latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they
all think as you do?

I<m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the>pledges" being
made by the Tory leader. HTH.

It is beyond belief. I can only assume that as it works for Trump it
will work for Boris, and as with anything if you saturate the media
with lies and misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs
someone to point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to
raise taxes to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)

What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist

... 20 years ago, only allegedly, and with no description of what this
'groping' consisted of. A pat on the back perhaps?

Very clear in the newspaper acticle: A hand on the upper thigh - moving
upwards.

at what speed?
which 'news'paper?
i'm shocked and outraged...i hope you also are...

The victim was so shocked and outraged that she said nothing for 20 years.

Stunned into silence probably, traumatised, almost certainly blotting it
out because it is so painful to remember. Only now after extensive
counselling and therapy does she feel able to put her twopennorth (not
to be confused with her tuppence)

LOL

Post by Norman Wells
into the character debate about a
Prime Minister determined to bring Brexit about. Which of course has
nothing to do with it.

[charles]

On 30 Sep 2019, abelard wrote (in

Post by abelard
i'm shocked and outraged...i hope you also are...

The victim was so shocked and outraged that she said nothing for 20 years.

If she mentioned it at the time, she'd have lost her job.

[Clamidia Ramsbottom, Secretary, Woman's Institute, Walmington-on-Sea]

Post by charles

On 30 Sep 2019, abelard wrote (in

Post by abelard
i'm shocked and outraged...i hope you also are...

The victim was so shocked and outraged that she said nothing for 20 years.

If she mentioned it at the time, she'd have lost her job.

Revenge is a dish best served cold. Good for her. Tough on Benny Hill.

[Keema's Nan]

On 30 Sep 2019, Clamidia Ramsbottom, Secretary, Woman's Institute,

Post by Clamidia Ramsbottom, Secretary, Woman's Institute, Walmington-on-Sea

Post by charles

On 30 Sep 2019, abelard wrote (in

Post by abelard
i'm shocked and outraged...i hope you also are...

The victim was so shocked and outraged that she said nothing for 20 years.

If she mentioned it at the time, she'd have lost her job.

Revenge is a dish best served cold. Good for her. Tough on Benny Hill.

You seem not to have noticed the timing of her ‘revenge’.

Let me rephrase my previous statement with an extra detail -

The victim was so shocked and outraged that she said nothing for 20 years,
and then chose the eve of the first Tory party conference with Boris as PM to
pluck up the courage to go public.

Even Benny Hill was not that calculating or sinister.

[m***@btopenworld.com]

Post by charles

On 30 Sep 2019, abelard wrote (in

Post by abelard
i'm shocked and outraged...i hope you also are...

The victim was so shocked and outraged that she said nothing for 20 years.

If she mentioned it at the time, she'd have lost her job.

In which case she would have had excellent grounds to go to an employment tribunal and cause even more mischief.

[Norman Wells]

Post by charles

Post by Norman Wells

Post by Stephen Cole
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist

... 20 years ago, only allegedly, and with no description of what this
'groping' consisted of. A pat on the back perhaps?

Very clear in the newspaper acticle: A hand on the upper thigh - moving
upwards.

Does it say what she did about it?

[JNugent]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by Stephen Cole
What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist

... 20 years ago, only allegedly, and with no description of what this
'groping' consisted of.  A pat on the back perhaps?  That would probably
count in these snowflake times.

Post by Stephen Cole
and

... pretty trivial

Post by Stephen Cole
Arcruri allegations have led the news cycle for the last few days. It
goes to show that BoJo and Dom don’t have anywhere near the level of
control that they wish they had, which is going to cause them big
problems given the fanny-crazed Johnson’s sordid personal life
(nobody actually knows how many children he’s spawned).

Does it matter?

Post by Stephen Cole
 If there’s one thing that the British tabloids
can’t resist it’s a good old-fashioned political sex scandal,

Where's the 'scandal'.  'Attractive man enjoys sex with women'?

For Cole, that probably is a scandal - or at the very least, an
unsatisfactory prospect.

[Pamela]

Post by Stephen Cole

Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT, Stephen Cole

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are?
If the latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all
think as you do?

I?m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the ?pledges?
being made by the Tory leader. HTH.

It is beyond belief.
I can only assume that as it works for Trump it will work for Boris,
and as with anything if you saturate the media with lies and
misinformation people become blinded. It only then needs someone to
point out the blatantly obvious such as Corbyn having to raise taxes
to start the howls of ridicule and hate.
Corbyn or Johnson, it makes no difference, taxes will have to be
raised to pay for Tory incompetence. Raised by a fair bit too, and
with business crippled by Brexit, the future is somewhat dire under
all projections.
Never mind, Javid and Boris are in a good frame of mind, it's givaway
time :-)

What has been quite reassuring is how the Boris groping a journalist and
Arcruri allegations have led the news cycle for the last few days. It
goes to show that BoJo and Dom don’t have anywhere near the level of
control that they wish they had, which is going to cause them big
problems given the fanny-crazed Johnson’s sordid personal life (nobody
actually knows how many children he’s spawned). If there’s one thing
that the British tabloids can’t resist it’s a good old-fashioned
political sex scandal, and it looks like they’re starting to dig their
teeth into the shambling sack of cum that currently occupies Number 10.

What if Boris made his grand spnding pledges, allowed them to sink in to
his base's thinking and then, to avoid further scrutiny of his spending
bonanza, actually encouraged the thigh squeezing story to come out to
deflect attention.

That's a page straight out of Lynton Crosby's playbook.

[Joe]

On 29 Sep 2019 08:14:12 GMT

Post by Stephen Cole

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop
of self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend
13 Billion quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first
of many uncosted pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve
got a genuine question for any Tory voters reading; do you
actually believe these promises or do you see them for the naked
distractions and lies they clearly are? If the latter, why do you
persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they
all think as you do?

I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being
made by the Tory leader. HTH.

Well, you've fallen for the 'we can turn Communist *and* stay in the
EU' tripe.

[Norman Wells]

Post by Stephen Cole

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?

I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.

40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like?

Better than Labour's socialist nonsense about re-nationalising
everything, rapaying all student debt, unaffordable minimum wage and
putting everyone on a 4-day week.

And if you're interested in the costing of such proposals:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/may/02/diane-abbotts-error-filled-lbc-interview-on-police-funding-video

[Ian Jackson]

Post by Norman Wells
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like?

The 40 hospitals are simply the latest in Boris's growing list of
promises - or in case they never happen, might it not be better to call
them 'aspirations'?

Post by Norman Wells
Better than Labour's socialist nonsense about re-nationalising
everything, rapaying all student debt, unaffordable minimum wage and
putting everyone on a 4-day week.

There was also a lot not-to-like in Labour's list of 'aspirations'
(although some items were obviously plain daft).

[abelard]

On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:38:45 +0100, Ian Jackson

Post by Ian Jackson
There was also a lot not-to-like in Labour's list of 'aspirations'
(although some items were obviously plain daft).

they are indeed, as usual, plain daft...

however,you should realise that fnl actually intend to
introduce their plain daft proposals...as socialist
regimes have around the world...

with the obvious costs in poverty and dictatorship that invariably
follow

[Keema's Nan]

Post by Ian Jackson

40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like?

The 40 hospitals are simply the latest in Boris's growing list of
promises - or in case they never happen, might it not be better to call
them 'aspirations'?

A bit like renationalising water, national grid, railways maybe?

Post by Ian Jackson

Better than Labour's socialist nonsense about re-nationalising
everything, rapaying all student debt, unaffordable minimum wage and
putting everyone on a 4-day week.

There was also a lot not-to-like in Labour's list of 'aspirations'
(although some items were obviously plain daft).

[Joe]

On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:38:45 +0100

Post by Ian Jackson
The 40 hospitals are simply the latest in Boris's growing list of
promises - or in case they never happen, might it not be better to
call them 'aspirations'?

No, 'aspirations' is already taken, it's the trade union euphemism for
'greed', as in 'my members' natural aspirations'.

[Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?

I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.

40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like?
Better than Labour's socialist nonsense about re-nationalising
everything, rapaying all student debt, unaffordable minimum wage and
putting everyone on a 4-day week.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/may/02/diane-abbotts-error-filled-lbc-interview-on-police-funding-video

Yes indeed, how right you are. Obviously Dianne Abbott is paying way
over the odds for these police.

What with all the savings from the Brexit closures that have occurred
and less need to import all those luxury items like food now that the
pound has plummetted, there is loads of money available as Boris has
found.

Abbott might just have been looking in the wrong place for the cash.
Boris has not only rendered May's magic money tree a total work of
fiction, he has found a magic money forest, the like of which dwarfs
the Amazon into insignificance.

Eat your heart out Abbott, the new Tory left has you beaten hands
down.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/25/boris-johnson-wants-recruit-20000-extra-police-officers-10463236/

Now do I hear 40000 anyone ?

What I fingd impossible to comprehend is how anyone bothers to even
quote Boris. His ramblings are an insult to anyones intelligence.

AB

[Keema's Nan]

Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq

Post by Stephen Cole

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?

I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.

40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like?
Better than Labour's socialist nonsense about re-nationalising
everything, rapaying all student debt, unaffordable minimum wage and
putting everyone on a 4-day week.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/may/02/diane-abbotts-error-f
illed-lbc-interview-on-police-funding-video

Yes indeed, how right you are. Obviously Dianne Abbott is paying way
over the odds for these police.
What with all the savings from the Brexit closures that have occurred
and less need to import all those luxury items like food now that the
pound has plummetted, there is loads of money available as Boris has
found.
Abbott might just have been looking in the wrong place for the cash.
Boris has not only rendered May's magic money tree a total work of
fiction, he has found a magic money forest, the like of which dwarfs
the Amazon into insignificance.
Eat your heart out Abbott, the new Tory left has you beaten hands
down.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/25/boris-johnson-wants-recruit-20000-extra-police-
officers-10463236/
Now do I hear 40000 anyone ?

Easy. Just threaten all hand car wash crooks and their slave
labour/prostitution illegals with deportation back to E Europe; or join the
police force as pen pushers on minimum wage.

That way, the real plod are free to do some proper policing.

Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
What I fingd impossible to comprehend is how anyone bothers to even
quote Boris.

And yet you manage to post links to his quotations.

Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
His ramblings are an insult to anyones intelligence.
AB

[Incubus]

Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq

Post by Norman Wells

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?

I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.

40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like?
Better than Labour's socialist nonsense about re-nationalising
everything, rapaying all student debt, unaffordable minimum wage and
putting everyone on a 4-day week.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/may/02/diane-abbotts-error-filled-lbc-interview-on-police-funding-video

Yes indeed, how right you are. Obviously Dianne Abbott is paying way
over the odds for these police.
What with all the savings from the Brexit closures that have occurred
and less need to import all those luxury items like food now that the
pound has plummetted, there is loads of money available as Boris has
found.
Abbott might just have been looking in the wrong place for the cash.
Boris has not only rendered May's magic money tree a total work of
fiction, he has found a magic money forest, the like of which dwarfs
the Amazon into insignificance.
Eat your heart out Abbott, the new Tory left has you beaten hands
down.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/25/boris-johnson-wants-recruit-20000-extra-police-officers-10463236/
Now do I hear 40000 anyone ?
What I fingd impossible to comprehend is how anyone bothers to even
quote Boris. His ramblings are an insult to anyones intelligence.

Take heart - there are a number of ukpm posters who clearly have no reason to
be offended.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by Norman Wells

I‘m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the ”pledges• being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.

40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like?

Nothing. If it were true.

It is actually 6 new or refurbished during the next parliament - if Boris
wins outright, which is unlikely.

[AlexK]

Post by Dave Plowman (News)

Post by Norman Wells

I'm interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the "pledges. being
made
by the Tory leader. HTH.

40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like?

Nothing. If it were true.
It is actually 6 new or refurbished during the next parliament - if Boris
wins outright, which is unlikely.

Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non
Tory MPs who are prepared to support doing that.

[Cursitor Doom]

Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.

Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel, but he
won't do that 'cos he's a closet remainer following the same playbook as
May.

[Joe]

On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:47:20 -0000 (UTC)

Post by Cursitor Doom

Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.

Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel, but
he won't do that 'cos he's a closet remainer following the same
playbook as May.

As I've said before, if we're not out, cleanly, before the next
election then the Conservative party will be able to save 650 deposits,
and in the one after, and the one after that... and the Leave vote will
no longer be split.

[AlexK]

Post by Cursitor Doom

Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.

Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,

I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.

Post by Cursitor Doom
but he won't do that 'cos he's a closet remainer

He wouldn’t be so gung ho for brexit and no extension if he was.

Post by Cursitor Doom
following the same playbook as May.

He isnt after BRINO because he knows that wont get thru parliament.

[Norman Wells]

Post by AlexK

Post by Cursitor Doom

Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.

Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,

I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.

You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.

[AlexK]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Cursitor Doom

Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.

Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,

I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.

You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.

Its not going to be split that much given that the only major party
that is unambiguously going to revoke Article 50 and ignore the
referendum result is the LD. While the SNP is also unambiguously
remain, they only have any chance of getting a seat in scotland
and have managed to get almost all of those seats and isnt
under any real threat from the LD there in any of those seats.

Certain some Labour voters wouldn’t be seen dead
voting for the LD, but that’s not splitting the remain
vote, those will mostly just not vote for any party.

[Peeler]

On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 08:35:36 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells
You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.

Its not going to be split

LOL This senile idiot is simply unbelievable!

[Norman Wells]

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Cursitor Doom

Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.

Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,

I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.

You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.

Its not going to be split that much given that the only major party
that is unambiguously going to revoke Article 50 and ignore the
referendum result is the LD.

How does that stop the Remain vote being split?

Here's the current state of the parties:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/30/voting-intention-con-33-lab-22-lib-dem-21-brex-12-

Do the math, and tell us who'd win a general election..

[AlexK]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Cursitor Doom

Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.

Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,

I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.

You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.

Its not going to be split that much given that the only major party
that is unambiguously going to revoke Article 50 and ignore the
referendum result is the LD.

How does that stop the Remain vote being split?

Revoking Article 50 is the only way to stay in the EU now.

Post by Norman Wells
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/30/voting-intention-con-33-lab-22-lib-dem-21-brex-12-
Do the math, and tell us who'd win a general election..

Those never turn into seats in parliament as even you
should be able to see by looking at the state of the
parties just prior to the last general election and then
checking the number of seats each party actually got.

In the case of UKIP, NOT ONE.

[Peeler]

On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 18:39:12 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

<FLUSH Australian asshole's trollshit>

Yeah, keep teaching those stupid Brits how things REALLY are in the UK, you
anomalous senile Australian asshole! <tsk>

[Norman Wells]

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Cursitor Doom

Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.

Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,

I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.

You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.

Its not going to be split that much given that the only major party
that is unambiguously going to revoke Article 50 and ignore the
referendum result is the LD.

How does that stop the Remain vote being split?

Revoking Article 50 is the only way to stay in the EU now.

So, you're saying that all Labour voters will now switch to the LibDems?
Or what?

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/30/voting-intention-con-33-lab-22-lib-dem-21-brex-12-
Do the math, and tell us who'd win a general election..

Those never turn into seats in parliament as even you
should be able to see by looking at the state of the
parties just prior to the last general election and then
checking the number of seats each party actually got.
In the case of UKIP, NOT ONE.

It depends how the voters are grouped together geographically. UKIP
suffered from the same disadvantage that the LIbDems always have, namely
that their support is pretty evenly spread over the whole of the UK. If
you want to maximise the number of MPs you get in relation to the
overall popular for your party, you have to concentrate your voters like
the Scot Nats obviously do in Scotland, and like Labour do in deprived
inner cities.

[Joe]

On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 12:53:57 +0100

Post by AlexK
Its not going to be split that much given that the only major
party that is unambiguously going to revoke Article 50 and ignore
the referendum result is the LD.

That was also the case at the last G.E., when both Labour and
Conservative parties ran on 'implement the referendum' manifestos.

How many seats did the LibDems get?

[AlexK]

Post by Joe

Post by AlexK
Its not going to be split that much given that the only
major party that is unambiguously going to revoke
Article 50 and ignore the referendum result is the LD.

That was also the case at the last G.E., when both Labour and
Conservative parties ran on 'implement the referendum' manifestos.

So did the LD.

Post by Joe
How many seats did the LibDems get?

It was different then with then with them with the
same policy on brexit as Labour and the Tories.

[Peeler]

On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 05:10:28 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous

Post by AlexK

Post by Joe
How many seats did the LibDems get?

It was different then

NOBODY asked you ANYTHING, senile Ozzie pest!

[AlexK]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Cursitor Doom

Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.

Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,

I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.

You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.

Its not going to be split that much given that the only major party
that is unambiguously going to revoke Article 50 and ignore the
referendum result is the LD.

How does that stop the Remain vote being split?

Revoking Article 50 is the only way to stay in the EU now.

So, you're saying that all Labour voters will now switch to the LibDems?

Nope, I said more than once that few Labour voters will vote
LD on that issue. They are much more likely to not vote at all.

Post by Norman Wells
Or what?

What.

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/30/voting-intention-con-33-lab-22-lib-dem-21-brex-12-
Do the math, and tell us who'd win a general election..

Those never turn into seats in parliament as even you
should be able to see by looking at the state of the
parties just prior to the last general election and then
checking the number of seats each party actually got.
In the case of UKIP, NOT ONE.

It depends how the voters are grouped together geographically.

Yes, that’s just one of the reasons voting intention polls never produce
anything like the same result with seats in a general election.

Post by Norman Wells
UKIP suffered from the same disadvantage that the LIbDems always have,
namely that their support is pretty evenly spread over the whole of the
UK.

So that voting intention poll is useless to determine
a general election result as we have seen so clearly
in the last 3 general elections.

Post by Norman Wells
If you want to maximise the number of MPs you get in relation to the
overall popular for your party, you have to concentrate your voters like
the Scot Nats obviously do in Scotland, and like Labour do in deprived
inner cities.

But it isnt possible to do that in practice except with the SNP.

There just arent enough deprived inner city constituencies
anymore for that to deliver a majority in parliament. In
spades when Labour has been hijacked by the Trots and
Marxists so that those who were prepared to vote for them
when Blair was driving that bus, won't do with Corbyn now.

[Norman Wells]

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Cursitor Doom

Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.

Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,

I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.

You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.

Its not going to be split that much given that the only major party
that is unambiguously going to revoke Article 50 and ignore the
referendum result is the LD.

How does that stop the Remain vote being split?

Revoking Article 50 is the only way to stay in the EU now.

So, you're saying that all Labour voters will now switch to the LibDems?

Nope, I said more than once that few Labour voters will vote
LD on that issue. They are much more likely to not vote at all.

Why do you think that wouldn't be even better for the Tories?

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/30/voting-intention-con-33-lab-22-lib-dem-21-brex-12-
Do the math, and tell us who'd win a general election..

Those never turn into seats in parliament as even you
should be able to see by looking at the state of the
parties just prior to the last general election and then
checking the number of seats each party actually got.
In the case of UKIP, NOT ONE.

It depends how the voters are grouped together geographically.

Yes, that’s just one of the reasons voting intention polls never produce
anything like the same result with seats in a general election.

They do actually.

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells
UKIP suffered from the same disadvantage that the LIbDems always have,
namely that their support is pretty evenly spread over the whole of
the UK.

So that voting intention poll is useless to determine
a general election result as we have seen so clearly
in the last 3 general elections.

I think the pollsters know their business rather better than you do.

[AlexK]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Cursitor Doom

Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.

Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,

I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.

You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.

Its not going to be split that much given that the only major party
that is unambiguously going to revoke Article 50 and ignore the
referendum result is the LD.

How does that stop the Remain vote being split?

Revoking Article 50 is the only way to stay in the EU now.

So, you're saying that all Labour voters will now switch to the LibDems?

Nope, I said more than once that few Labour voters will vote
LD on that issue. They are much more likely to not vote at all.

Why do you think that wouldn't be even better for the Tories?

Because something like half the Tory voters are remainers.

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/30/voting-intention-con-33-lab-22-lib-dem-21-brex-12-
Do the math, and tell us who'd win a general election..

Those never turn into seats in parliament as even you
should be able to see by looking at the state of the
parties just prior to the last general election and then
checking the number of seats each party actually got.
In the case of UKIP, NOT ONE.

It depends how the voters are grouped together geographically.

Yes, that’s just one of the reasons voting intention polls never produce
anything like the same result with seats in a general election.

They do actually.

Like hell they do. If they did, the last THREE general elections
wouldn’t have produced such a surprising result seat wise.

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells
UKIP suffered from the same disadvantage that the LIbDems always have,
namely that their support is pretty evenly spread over the whole of the
UK.

So that voting intention poll is useless to determine
a general election result as we have seen so clearly
in the last 3 general elections.

I think the pollsters know their business rather better than you do.

They clearly don’t given how useless the polls were in determining
the seats each party ended up with in the general elections. Or more
strictly they know their business quite well, but there isnt any way
to actually get a useful indication of which party will get which
seat with just 1000 in the whole country being polled and something
like half of those not actually bothering to vote, so their voting
intention is completely irrelevant because they don’t actually vote.

[Keema's Nan]

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Cursitor Doom

Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.

Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,

I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.

You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.

Its not going to be split that much given that the only major party
that is unambiguously going to revoke Article 50 and ignore the
referendum result is the LD.

How does that stop the Remain vote being split?

Revoking Article 50 is the only way to stay in the EU now.

So, you're saying that all Labour voters will now switch to the LibDems?

Nope, I said more than once that few Labour voters will vote
LD on that issue. They are much more likely to not vote at all.

Post by Norman Wells
Or what?

What.

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/30/voting-in
tention-con-33-lab-22-lib-dem-21-brex-12-
Do the math, and tell us who'd win a general election..

Those never turn into seats in parliament as even you
should be able to see by looking at the state of the
parties just prior to the last general election and then
checking the number of seats each party actually got.
In the case of UKIP, NOT ONE.

It depends how the voters are grouped together geographically.

Yes, that’s just one of the reasons voting intention polls never produce
anything like the same result with seats in a general election.

Post by Norman Wells
UKIP suffered from the same disadvantage that the LIbDems always have,
namely that their support is pretty evenly spread over the whole of the
UK.

So that voting intention poll is useless to determine
a general election result as we have seen so clearly
in the last 3 general elections.

Phew! That is very convenient for you, because if you put the latest poll
into the predictor, the Tories come out with a majority of 200 seats.

Thank goodness we can ignore that figure and look forward to a hung
parliament with Corbyn having the majority of seats......

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells
If you want to maximise the number of MPs you get in relation to the
overall popular for your party, you have to concentrate your voters like
the Scot Nats obviously do in Scotland, and like Labour do in deprived
inner cities.

But it isnt possible to do that in practice except with the SNP.
There just arent enough deprived inner city constituencies
anymore for that to deliver a majority in parliament. In
spades when Labour has been hijacked by the Trots and
Marxists so that those who were prepared to vote for them
when Blair was driving that bus, won't do with Corbyn now.

[Keema's Nan]

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Cursitor Doom

Doesn't need to win outright, just have enough non Tory MPs who are
prepared to support doing that.

Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,

I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.

You're not considering how many ways the Remain vote will be split.

Its not going to be split that much given that the only major party
that is unambiguously going to revoke Article 50 and ignore the
referendum result is the LD.

How does that stop the Remain vote being split?

Revoking Article 50 is the only way to stay in the EU now.

So, you're saying that all Labour voters will now switch to the LibDems?

Nope, I said more than once that few Labour voters will vote
LD on that issue. They are much more likely to not vote at all.

Post by Norman Wells
Or what?

What.

Post by Norman Wells

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/30/voting-i
n
tention-con-33-lab-22-lib-dem-21-brex-12-
Do the math, and tell us who'd win a general election..

Those never turn into seats in parliament as even you
should be able to see by looking at the state of the
parties just prior to the last general election and then
checking the number of seats each party actually got.
In the case of UKIP, NOT ONE.

It depends how the voters are grouped together geographically.

Yes, that’s just one of the reasons voting intention polls never produce
anything like the same result with seats in a general election.

Post by Norman Wells
UKIP suffered from the same disadvantage that the LIbDems always have,
namely that their support is pretty evenly spread over the whole of the
UK.

So that voting intention poll is useless to determine
a general election result as we have seen so clearly
in the last 3 general elections.

Phew! That is very convenient for you, because if you put the latest poll
into the predictor, the Tories come out with a majority of 200 seats.

Sorry, somewhat misleading - that should read a majority of 200 seats over
Labour.

Post by Keema's Nan
Thank goodness we can ignore that figure and look forward to a hung
parliament with Corbyn having the majority of seats......

Post by AlexK

Post by Norman Wells
If you want to maximise the number of MPs you get in relation to the
overall popular for your party, you have to concentrate your voters like
the Scot Nats obviously do in Scotland, and like Labour do in deprived
inner cities.

But it isnt possible to do that in practice except with the SNP.
There just arent enough deprived inner city constituencies
anymore for that to deliver a majority in parliament. In
spades when Labour has been hijacked by the Trots and
Marxists so that those who were prepared to vote for them
when Blair was driving that bus, won't do with Corbyn now.

[Peeler]

On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 04:34:37 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous

Post by Norman Wells
So, you're saying that all Labour voters will now switch to the LibDems?

Nope

LOL Did you just get one of your miserable tiny senile online orgasms again,
you clinically insane auto-contradicting senile asshole?

[Peeler]

On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 06:51:28 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous

Post by AlexK

Post by Cursitor Doom
Boris would win by a landslide if he threw his hat in with Nigel,

I doubt that given that half the country are remainers.

You'll auto-contradict in ANY direction, even if it contradicts what you
said in another place, eh, you clinically insane senile asshole from Oz? LOL

[Cursitor Doom]

Post by AlexK
He wouldn’t be so gung ho for brexit and no extension if he was.

He's not gung ho for Brexit; he's gung ho for saving the Tory Party. The
Party knows it'll be FINISHED if they don't get us out at the end of
October so their *primary* duty and sole interest at present is to save
the Party.

[AlexK]

Post by Cursitor Doom

Post by AlexK
He wouldn’t be so gung ho for brexit and no extension if he was.

He's not gung ho for Brexit;

Bullshit.

Post by Cursitor Doom
he's gung ho for saving the Tory Party.

Its doing fine, doesn’t need saving. In spades
given that the Trots have hijacked Labour now.

Post by Cursitor Doom
The Party knows it'll be FINISHED if they
don't get us out at the end of October

That’s bullshit. No major party is ever
finished over a single issue like that.

Post by Cursitor Doom
so their *primary* duty and sole interest
at present is to save the Party.

Fantasy.

[Peeler]

On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 09:40:44 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous

Post by AlexK

Post by Cursitor Doom
He's not gung ho for Brexit;

Bullshit.

That one word would make the perfect nym for you, senile bullshit artist!

[Peeler]

On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 05:22:59 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous

Post by AlexK

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
It is actually 6 new or refurbished during the next parliament - if Boris
wins outright, which is unlikely.

Doesn't

LOL Auto-contradicting senile asshole!

[michael adams]

Post by Norman Wells
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like

Building hospitals is the easy bit.

Its finding the doctors and nurses to staff them, that's the hard bit.

Whether the "hostile environment" which will have been created as a
result of Brexit will be a great help in that regard is of course another
matter,

I wonder if anyone asked Boris about that ?


michael adams

...

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by michael adams
Whether the "hostile environment" which will have been created as a
result of Brexit will be a great help in that regard is of course another
matter,

Well remain should not have created it should they?

[dennis@home]

Post by michael adams

Post by Norman Wells
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like

Building hospitals is the easy bit.
Its finding the doctors and nurses to staff them, that's the hard bit.

No its not you just close five or six smaller hospitals in the area and
move them to the new one.

[michael adams]

Post by michael adams

Post by Norman Wells
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like

Building hospitals is the easy bit.
Its finding the doctors and nurses to staff them, that's the hard bit.

No its not you just close five or six smaller hospitals in the area and move them to
the new one.

Oh really ?

As of Sep 2018 the NHS was short of 41,722 nurses. milarly,
there were 11,576 vacancies for doctors across the NHS

If you don'r believe me simply Google "11,576 vacancies"
for pages of links.

Altogether at the end of June the NHS had 107,743 unfilled posts

None of which has been helped by uncertainty over visas Post Brexit


michael adams

...

[Roger]

Post by michael adams

Post by Norman Wells
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like

Building hospitals is the easy bit.
Its finding the doctors and nurses to staff them, that's the hard bit.

Interestingly, Labour state:

"The next Labour government will reverse privatization of our NHS and return our health service into expert public control."


And a (private) manager essentially stated that it would be impossible for the state to undertake all the employees that are now outsourced.

[abelard]

Post by Roger

Post by michael adams

Post by Norman Wells
40 new hospitals? Brilliant idea. What's not to like

Building hospitals is the easy bit.
Its finding the doctors and nurses to staff them, that's the hard bit.

"The next Labour government will reverse privatization of our NHS and return our health service into expert public control."
And a (private) manager essentially stated that it would be impossible for the state to undertake all the employees that are now outsourced.

the fnl never nationalised the 'doctors'...they bought them off...
https://www.abelard.org/socialism/labour-party-did-not-start-nhs.php

[m***@btopenworld.com]

Post by Stephen Cole

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?

I’m interested in the reaction of Tory voters to the “pledges” being made
by the Tory leader. HTH.

I am more interested in Labour pledges which are not costed and indeed are impossible to cost.

Pledges which involve the sequestration/stealing of private assets such as independent schools 'reforms' to inheritance tax which redirect more of the assets of the deceased to the state, Inhibitions to be placed upon land/asset transfers within families. Attitudes to Corporation tax and corporate taxation in particular.

[JNugent]

Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?

Cole *thinks*?

Are you sure?

[Mark Devon]

((Cole *thinks*?

Are you sure?))

Clearly more than you are even capable of.

[JNugent]

Post by Mark Devon
((Cole *thinks*?
Are you sure?))
Clearly more than you are even capable of.

As usual, you are too late with your attempt at a playground insult.

[Brian Gaff]

One thing we always see at these events is what everyone would want in a
utopian world, what you get and can afford is usually something totally
different. Its not just one party, its all of them. When will they learn
that life does not work that way its messy full of compromises and cock ups.
Brian
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Post by Keema's Nan

Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I've got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Do you have a question for non-Tory voters? Or do you assume they all think
as you do?

[Tim Lamb]

Post by Brian Gaff
One thing we always see at these events is what everyone would want in a
utopian world, what you get and can afford is usually something totally
different. Its not just one party, its all of them. When will they learn
that life does not work that way its messy full of compromises and cock ups.
Brian

More *save the Conservative party* at all cost manoeuvres?
I have stuck with them for nearly 50 years including redundancy during
the Thatcher industrial shake out. No more. Both local MPs are noted for
voting against the wishes of their electorate.
The idea of Boris being managed by *friends of Mogg* offends even my
robust sensibilities!

[AlexK]

Post by Tim Lamb

Post by Brian Gaff
One thing we always see at these events is what everyone would want in a
utopian world, what you get and can afford is usually something totally
different. Its not just one party, its all of them. When will they learn
that life does not work that way its messy full of compromises and cock ups.
Brian

More *save the Conservative party* at all cost manoeuvres?
I have stuck with them for nearly 50 years including redundancy during the
Thatcher industrial shake out. No more. Both local MPs are noted for
voting against the wishes of their electorate.
The idea of Boris being managed by *friends of Mogg* offends even my
robust sensibilities!

Bet that will see the Tories pouring from their windows
like lemmings as soon as they read your post.

[Peeler]

On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 18:35:59 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous

Post by AlexK
Bet that will see

Bet that we will see you trolling before 31 October, on 31 October and after
31 October like there was no tomorrow, you anomalous 85-year-old trolling
senile Australian asshole!

[charles]

Post by Tim Lamb

Post by Brian Gaff
One thing we always see at these events is what everyone would want in a
utopian world, what you get and can afford is usually something totally
different. Its not just one party, its all of them. When will they learn
that life does not work that way its messy full of compromises and cock
ups. Brian

More *save the Conservative party* at all cost manoeuvres?
I have stuck with them for nearly 50 years including redundancy during
the Thatcher industrial shake out. No more. Both local MPs are noted for
voting against the wishes of their electorate.

Indeed, so. our contituency voted remain, but our MP voted leave.

[abelard]

Post by charles

Post by Tim Lamb

Post by Brian Gaff
One thing we always see at these events is what everyone would want in a
utopian world, what you get and can afford is usually something totally
different. Its not just one party, its all of them. When will they learn
that life does not work that way its messy full of compromises and cock
ups. Brian

More *save the Conservative party* at all cost manoeuvres?
I have stuck with them for nearly 50 years including redundancy during
the Thatcher industrial shake out. No more. Both local MPs are noted for
voting against the wishes of their electorate.

Indeed, so. our contituency voted remain, but our MP voted leave.

is 'your' constituency more important than the country?

which one is so's people can check on your claim

[Tim Lamb]

Post by abelard

Post by charles

Post by Tim Lamb

Post by Brian Gaff
One thing we always see at these events is what everyone would want in a
utopian world, what you get and can afford is usually something totally
different. Its not just one party, its all of them. When will they learn
that life does not work that way its messy full of compromises and cock
ups. Brian

More *save the Conservative party* at all cost manoeuvres?
I have stuck with them for nearly 50 years including redundancy during
the Thatcher industrial shake out. No more. Both local MPs are noted for
voting against the wishes of their electorate.

Indeed, so. our contituency voted remain, but our MP voted leave.

is 'your' constituency more important than the country?
which one is so's people can check on your claim

Hitchin/Harpenden and St. Albans

[Rod Speed]

Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference
against a backdrop of self-created pure chaos,

It’s the parliament that has created what chaos
there is by trying to force Boris to ask for an
extension and ignore the referendum result.

Post by Stephen Cole
Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13
Billion quid on building 40 new hospitals,

Because there is a real possibility of a general election, stupid.

Post by Stephen Cole
doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days.

Clearly that one is costed, stupid.

Post by Stephen Cole
Now, I’ve got a genuine question for any Tory voters
reading; do you actually believe these promises

Corse they do if the Torys are still the govt.

Post by Stephen Cole
or do you see them for the naked distractions

Clearly not a distraction, naked or clothed.

Post by Stephen Cole
and lies they clearly are?

Bet it does happen if the Torys do continue to be the govt.

Post by Stephen Cole
If the latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Because the alternatives are worse, stupid.

[Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq]

On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 18:45:44 +1000, "Rod Speed"

Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference
against a backdrop of self-created pure chaos,

It’s the parliament that has created what chaos
there is by trying to force Boris to ask for an
extension and ignore the referendum result.

Post by Stephen Cole
Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13
Billion quid on building 40 new hospitals,

Because there is a real possibility of a general election, stupid.

Post by Stephen Cole
doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days.

Clearly that one is costed, stupid.

Post by Stephen Cole
Now, I’ve got a genuine question for any Tory voters
reading; do you actually believe these promises

Corse they do if the Torys are still the govt.

Post by Stephen Cole
or do you see them for the naked distractions

Clearly not a distraction, naked or clothed.

Post by Stephen Cole
and lies they clearly are?

Bet it does happen if the Torys do continue to be the govt.

Post by Stephen Cole
If the latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Because the alternatives are worse, stupid.

When is the truth a worse alternative to a pack of lies?

AB

[Rod Speed]

Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 18:45:44 +1000, "Rod Speed"

Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference
against a backdrop of self-created pure chaos,

It's the parliament that has created what chaos
there is by trying to force Boris to ask for an
extension and ignore the referendum result.

Post by Stephen Cole
Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13
Billion quid on building 40 new hospitals,

Because there is a real possibility of a general election, stupid.

Post by Stephen Cole
doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days.

Clearly that one is costed, stupid.

Post by Stephen Cole
Now, I've got a genuine question for any Tory voters
reading; do you actually believe these promises

Corse they do if the Torys are still the govt.

Post by Stephen Cole
or do you see them for the naked distractions

Clearly not a distraction, naked or clothed.

Post by Stephen Cole
and lies they clearly are?

Bet it does happen if the Torys do continue to be the govt.

Post by Stephen Cole
If the latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Because the alternatives are worse, stupid.

When is the truth a worse alternative to a pack of lies?

You wouldn't know what the truth was if it bit your bog trotter arse.

[Peeler]

On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:53:18 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Post by Rod Speed

Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
When is the truth a worse alternative to a pack of lies?

You wouldn't know what the truth was if it bit your bog trotter arse.

The truth here is that you ARE nothing but a trolling piece of shit!

[Peeler]

On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 18:45:44 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Post by Rod Speed

Post by Stephen Cole
If the latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Because the alternatives are worse, stupid.

Nobody asked YOU anything, you trolling piece of senile Ozzie shit! <tsk>

[dennis@home]

Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Don't forget they have already pledge a load of money for hospitals so
this is just going to be the same money not extra money.

[newshound]

Post by ***@home

Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Don't forget they have already pledge a load of money for hospitals so
this is just going to be the same money not extra money.

Also the first nuclear fusion power station

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/27/boris-johnson-announces-funding-worlds-first-nuclear-fusion/

[Tim Lamb]

Post by newshound

Post by ***@home

Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Don't forget they have already pledge a load of money for hospitals
so this is just going to be the same money not extra money.

Also the first nuclear fusion power station
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/27/boris-johnson-announces-
funding-worlds-first-nuclear-fusion/

Flap flap, oink oink!

[Stephen Cole]

Post by ***@home

Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Don't forget they have already pledge a load of money for hospitals so
this is just going to be the same money not extra money.

The whole story fell to pieces since starting this thread; it’s six
hospitals, not 40, and that includes refurbs, already announced as you say.
If this is the best they can manage to launch their election campaign, the
Tories are doomed.

[Rod Speed]

Post by Stephen Cole

Post by ***@home

Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

Don't forget they have already pledge a load of money for hospitals so
this is just going to be the same money not extra money.

The whole story fell to pieces since starting this thread;
it’s six hospitals, not 40, and that includes refurbs, already
announced as you say. If this is the best they can manage
to launch their election campaign, the Tories are doomed.

That’s bullshit given how pathetic the alternatives are
and the fact that they have announced other stuff too.

[Peeler]

On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 18:15:04 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Post by Rod Speed
That’s bullshit given

Nope, just more trollshit on your part, you senile asshole troll from Oz!

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by ***@home
Don't forget they have already pledge a load of money for hospitals so
this is just going to be the same money not extra money.

The whole story fell to pieces since starting this thread; it‘s six
hospitals, not 40, and that includes refurbs, already announced as you
say. If this is the best they can manage to launch their election
campaign, the Tories are doomed.

And if you actually saw the state of St Helier, Carshalton, it says a
great deal about the Tory priorities over the last few years.

[abelard]

On 29 Sep 2019 07:17:52 GMT, Stephen Cole

Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

as with every marxist, you have not a clue concerning the relationship
between politics and money...

[Roger]

Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days.

I believe them just as much as any pledge I hear.....such as those at the Labour conference last week ;-)

I would note, however, that against the tendency in the western world, the UK government has more or less balanced the books, so a government could overspend without getting anywhere near the debt situation of it's peers.

[Michael Chare]

Post by Stephen Cole
As the Conservative Party begins its conference against a backdrop of
self-created pure chaos, Boris has just made a pledge to spend 13 Billion
quid on building 40 new hospitals, doubtless the first of many uncosted
pledges to come over the next few days. Now, I’ve got a genuine question
for any Tory voters reading; do you actually believe these promises or do
you see them for the naked distractions and lies they clearly are? If the
latter, why do you persist in supporting these charlatans?

He is in no position to ensure that this will happen due to the lack of
a majority in the House of Commons and he may well not be PM for much
longer for other reasons. Presumably everyone knows this. What will
happen after a general election is hard to say.