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Chinese government praises religion for "building a harmonious society" as number of believers triples to 300,000,000
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fasgnadh.
2009-05-30 03:09:37 UTC
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"Religious believers thrice the estimate
By Wu Jiao (China Daily)

"The number of people who describe themselves as religious
is a startling three times more than the official estimate,
according to the country's first major survey on religious beliefs."

"At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."

"For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
to a large extent," said Liu."

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
raven1
2009-05-30 03:18:10 UTC
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Post by fasgnadh.
"Religious believers thrice the estimate
By Wu Jiao (China Daily)
"The number of people who describe themselves as religious
is a startling three times more than the official estimate,
according to the country's first major survey on religious beliefs."
From the article:

"About 200 million people are Buddhists, Taoists or worshippers of
legendary figures such as the Dragon King and God of Fortune,
accounting for 66.1 per cent of all believers."

Not exactly your type of "believer", are they?

And what's your point, in any case?
Lord Calvert
2009-05-30 18:02:43 UTC
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Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh.
"Religious believers thrice the estimate
By Wu Jiao (China Daily)
"The number of people who describe themselves as religious
is a startling three times more than the official estimate,
according to the country's first major survey on religious beliefs."
"About 200 million people are Buddhists, Taoists or worshippers of
legendary figures such as the Dragon King and God of Fortune,
accounting for 66.1 per cent of all believers."
Not exactly your type of "believer", are they?
And what's your point, in any case?
Actually, his type of believer was this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Xiuquan

Hong was a Hakka Chinese who had failed the Imperial Civil Service
Examination repeatedly, was taught Christian theology by an American
Southern Baptist preacher (the same Southern Baptists who schismed
from their Northern brethren over the slavery issue and are still the
US's largest Protestant denomination) named Issachar Jacox Roberts and
because of Hong's conversion, it kicked off the deadliest civil war in
history, attempting to make China a theocratic Christian dictatorship,
similar to what Reverend Roberts' fellow Southern Baptists did in the
United States a decade later although Hong's efforts were on a much
wider scale.

Needless to say, the very Christian Hong Xiuquan is revered by Maoist
Communists and the Chinese Communist Party established a museum to
honor Hong's work. The Taiping Rebellion was the first, but certainly
not the last link between extremist American southern religious
conservatives and the sort of Chinese totalitarianism that would later
become the Chinese Communist Party.


Rich Goranson
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fasgnadh
2009-06-01 08:22:33 UTC
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Post by Lord Calvert
Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh.
"Religious believers thrice the estimate
By Wu Jiao (China Daily)
"The number of people who describe themselves as religious
is a startling three times more than the official estimate,
according to the country's first major survey on religious beliefs."
"About 200 million people are Buddhists,
"With the gradual liberalisation that developed with
Deng Xiaoping's open door reforms, religion was no
longer proscribed. In 1982, the constitution was
amended to allow Chinese people considerable freedom
of religion."

http://cbbc.org/china_guide/religion.html

The last official figures put the religious in China, since the
relaxation and reforms of 1982, at 100,000,000.

Now it's TRIPLED!! 300,000,000

That's hundreds of millions MORE than the GLOBAL increase
in atheism! B^)

Sorry boys, you Goddless heathens are GOING BACKWARDS! B^D

Even the Communist Chinese, once the flagbearisn Atheist Regime
under Mao, have folded their tent and allowed religion to flourish..

BECAUSE IT BRINGS SOCIAl HARMONY and REDUCES CRIME!

When the ENEMIES if religion EMBRACE it becasue of it's benefits,
atheism, with no runs on the board.. is dead. B^]
Post by Lord Calvert
Post by raven1
Taoists or worshippers of
legendary figures such as the Dragon King and God of Fortune,
accounting for 66.1 per cent of all believers."
Not exactly your type of "believer", are they?
?? WTF are you on about..

I used to cast the I Ching for years,
till the Yarrow stalks said it was time to stop! B^D

I have the only posts in alt.athesim quoting Zen Koans
and linking to meditation workshops online!!! B^D

I'm eclectic, it;s you poor sad sacks who are CLOSED OFF
to spiritual wisdom, have never even quoted a poem, or
a philosophy.. and resist new ideas liek they are Holy
Water splashed on VAMPIRES! B^D BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

What do you claim 'my type' of beleivers are, Ravin' one?

Hint:

The religion of love is a part from all religions.
The lovers of God have no religion but God alone
-The Mathnawi II, 1720
Post by Lord Calvert
Post by raven1
And what's your point, in any case?
"religion has been enjoying a resurgence in China over the
past 20 years, as Communist Party disapproval has eased"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6337627.stm

"With the gradual liberalisation that developed with
Deng Xiaoping's open door reforms, religion was no
longer proscribed. In 1982, the constitution was
amended to allow Chinese people considerable freedom
of religion."

http://cbbc.org/china_guide/religion.html

Once the atheist state failed, and it's leadership instituted
reforms relaxing the restrictions on religion, China prospered,
it's power and wealth expanding at the same phenomenal rate
as the the number of believers ..exploding to 300,000,000!!!!!

Atheistic Communism has been defeated, God is winning. B^]

That's the point,
you appear to be squirming, impaled upon it! B^D
Post by Lord Calvert
Actually, his type of believer was this guy
... < Snip>


Not even going to read this lying atheist fuck's
propaganda bullshit! B^)


Atheists have been making shit up, forging posts and
telling bare faced LIES for months.

They don't get to shove THEIR religion down other peoples
throats, any more!

We have FREEDOM of speech, thought and belief!

The mere fact that some arrogant atheist shitpig says
'Fasgnadh beleives this....." shows how terrified these
False Witnesses are of our REAL views!

You can smell their fear. B^]

Atheists FORCE their sick ideology on the poor bastards in
North Korea, Just like they did in atheist Pol Pot's Genocide,
and Atheist Lenin's Red Terror, and that fat fuck atheist Mao's
Great Leap Backward and Cultural Devolution.. but you can't
do it ANY MORE!!!

You ideological FASCIST FUCKS, are being rolled up and swept away! B^)

All around the Globe! B^]


Go shove your shit down some poor CHILDS throat, they are
the only ones you can still INDOCTRINATE since the USSR collapsed..

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Virgil
2009-06-02 03:21:13 UTC
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Has fasgnadh never heard of religious wars?

Quite likely, as he is incredibly ignorant.
--
Virgil
Alex W.
2009-06-02 11:05:10 UTC
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On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:22:33 GMT, fasgnadh wrote:
Fixed your thread title for you ...
fasgnadh
2009-06-01 07:48:14 UTC
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raven1 wrote:

Raven snips the point, ignores the astonishing fact that
the REFORMED Chinese Communist Government now finds religion
to be a SOCIAL BENEFIT and REDUCES CRIME! B^D then creates a false
straw man
to deflect from the point he removed, and then asks what it is? B^D

He's simply INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST, afraid of the facts
Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh.
"Religious believers thrice the estimate
By Wu Jiao (China Daily)
"The number of people who describe themselves as religious
is a startling three times more than the official estimate,
according to the country's first major survey on religious beliefs."
...
Post by raven1
And what's your point, in any case?
The point is usually in the part you snip,
lets put it back and see why you removed the substance;

"At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."

"For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
to a large extent," said Liu."

Atheism and religious persecution FAILED China, religion has
helped build a harmonious society and reduce crime!!! B^D

Astonishing evidence from the former BITTER ENEMIES of Faith! 8^D

When the Chinese Atheist Commo's throw in the towel and admit
that religion has won, it's time for western atheists to admit they
are never going to be of any more significance than their past
centuries of IRRELEVANCE!

Where else in the world has such a social experiment occurred?

They tried an atheist regime, and like EVERY other one it was a dismal
failure!

Then they reformed, relaxed their hardline persecution of religion,
the number of believers TRIPLED to 300,000,000 ( HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS
MORE than the GLOBAL increase in atheist numbers!! B^) China
prospered, and even the Communist leadership, backing away from the
fanaticism of Maoist State Atheism, admit religion is a SOCIAL GOOD
and reduces crime! B^D

Game Set Match! Watch the atheists HOWL!!! B^D B^D



Atheists need to reconsider their approach to religion
in the light of the FACTS. B^]
--
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest


"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

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http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest


"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
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raven1
2009-06-01 12:47:17 UTC
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Post by fasgnadh
Raven snips the point, ignores the astonishing fact that
the REFORMED Chinese Communist Government now finds religion
to be a SOCIAL BENEFIT and REDUCES CRIME!
Joe Stalin found religion to be a social benefit once the Germans
invaded. What's your point?
fasgnadh
2009-06-01 15:04:31 UTC
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Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh
Raven snips the point, ignores the astonishing fact that
the REFORMED Chinese Communist Government now finds religion
to be a SOCIAL BENEFIT and REDUCES CRIME!
He's simply INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST, afraid of the facts
What's your point?
Post by fasgnadh
"Religious believers thrice the estimate
By Wu Jiao (China Daily)
"The number of people who describe themselves as religious
is a startling three times more than the official estimate,
according to the country's first major survey on religious beliefs."
...
Post by raven1
And what's your point, in any case?
The point is usually in the part you snip,
lets put it back and see why you removed the substance;

"At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."

"For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
to a large extent," said Liu."

Atheism and religious persecution FAILED China, religion has
helped build a harmonious society and reduce crime!!! B^D

Astonishing evidence from the former BITTER ENEMIES of Faith! 8^D

When the Chinese Atheist Commo's throw in the towel and admit
that religion has won, it's time for western atheists to admit they
are never going to be of any more significance than their past
centuries of IRRELEVANCE!

Where else in the world has such a social experiment occurred?

They tried an atheist regime, and like EVERY other one it was a dismal
failure!

Then they reformed, relaxed their hardline persecution of religion,
the number of believers TRIPLED to 300,000,000 ( HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS
MORE than the GLOBAL increase in atheist numbers!! B^) China
prospered, and even the Communist leadership, backing away from the
fanaticism of Maoist State Atheism, admit religion is a SOCIAL GOOD
and reduces crime! B^D

Game Set Match! Watch the atheists HOWL!!! B^D B^D



Atheists need to reconsider their approach to religion
in the light of the FACTS. B^]
--
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest


"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest


"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

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raven1
2009-06-01 15:25:13 UTC
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Post by fasgnadh
Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh
Raven snips the point, ignores the astonishing fact that
the REFORMED Chinese Communist Government now finds religion
to be a SOCIAL BENEFIT and REDUCES CRIME!
He's simply INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST, afraid of the facts
What's your point?
Post by fasgnadh
"Religious believers thrice the estimate
By Wu Jiao (China Daily)
"The number of people who describe themselves as religious
is a startling three times more than the official estimate,
according to the country's first major survey on religious beliefs."
...
Post by raven1
And what's your point, in any case?
The point is usually in the part you snip,
Pot:Kettle:Black.
Post by fasgnadh
lets put it back and see why you removed the substance;
Yes, let's put back what *you* snipped:

"Joe Stalin found religion to be a social benefit once the Germans
invaded. What's your point?"

The Chinese government is being pragmatic. Authoritarian rulers since
time immemorial have used religion as a tool for controlling their
people. It's curious to see you applauding such a thing, or advocating
religion as useful without regard to whether or not it is true.
Post by fasgnadh
"At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."
"For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
to a large extent," said Liu."
Atheism and religious persecution FAILED China, religion has
helped build a harmonious society and reduce crime!!! B^D
Astonishing evidence from the former BITTER ENEMIES of Faith! 8^D
When the Chinese Atheist Commo's throw in the towel and admit
that religion has won, it's time for western atheists to admit they
are never going to be of any more significance than their past
centuries of IRRELEVANCE!
Where else in the world has such a social experiment occurred?
They tried an atheist regime, and like EVERY other one it was a dismal
failure!
Then they reformed, relaxed their hardline persecution of religion,
the number of believers TRIPLED to 300,000,000 ( HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS
MORE than the GLOBAL increase in atheist numbers!! B^) China
prospered, and even the Communist leadership, backing away from the
fanaticism of Maoist State Atheism, admit religion is a SOCIAL GOOD
and reduces crime! B^D
Game Set Match! Watch the atheists HOWL!!! B^D B^D
Atheists need to reconsider their approach to religion
in the light of the FACTS. B^]
Therion Ware
2009-06-01 15:32:30 UTC
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On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:25:13 -0400, raven1
Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh
Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh
Raven snips the point, ignores the astonishing fact that
the REFORMED Chinese Communist Government now finds religion
to be a SOCIAL BENEFIT and REDUCES CRIME!
He's simply INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST, afraid of the facts
What's your point?
Post by fasgnadh
"Religious believers thrice the estimate
By Wu Jiao (China Daily)
"The number of people who describe themselves as religious
is a startling three times more than the official estimate,
according to the country's first major survey on religious beliefs."
...
Post by raven1
And what's your point, in any case?
The point is usually in the part you snip,
Pot:Kettle:Black.
Post by fasgnadh
lets put it back and see why you removed the substance;
"Joe Stalin found religion to be a social benefit once the Germans
invaded. What's your point?"
The Chinese government is being pragmatic. Authoritarian rulers since
time immemorial have used religion as a tool for controlling their
people. It's curious to see you applauding such a thing, or advocating
religion as useful without regard to whether or not it is true.
Point in case:

<http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/may/27/china-calvin-christianity>

In my NVHO Calvinism is one of the more revolting manifestations of
Christianity.
Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh
"At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."
"For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
to a large extent," said Liu."
Atheism and religious persecution FAILED China, religion has
helped build a harmonious society and reduce crime!!! B^D
Astonishing evidence from the former BITTER ENEMIES of Faith! 8^D
When the Chinese Atheist Commo's throw in the towel and admit
that religion has won, it's time for western atheists to admit they
are never going to be of any more significance than their past
centuries of IRRELEVANCE!
Where else in the world has such a social experiment occurred?
They tried an atheist regime, and like EVERY other one it was a dismal
failure!
Then they reformed, relaxed their hardline persecution of religion,
the number of believers TRIPLED to 300,000,000 ( HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS
MORE than the GLOBAL increase in atheist numbers!! B^) China
prospered, and even the Communist leadership, backing away from the
fanaticism of Maoist State Atheism, admit religion is a SOCIAL GOOD
and reduces crime! B^D
Game Set Match! Watch the atheists HOWL!!! B^D B^D
Atheists need to reconsider their approach to religion
in the light of the FACTS. B^]
Hope for the Heartless
2009-06-02 04:40:07 UTC
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Post by Therion Ware
In my NVHO Calvinism is one of the more revolting manifestations of
Christianity.
All versions are revolting. The central premises of Christianity
include the idea that humanity is so depraved that not even the best
people can be forgiven for their transgressions without human sacrifice.

No thanks, I'll pass.
raven1
2009-06-02 05:00:25 UTC
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On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:40:07 -0600, Hope for the Heartless
Post by Hope for the Heartless
Post by Therion Ware
In my NVHO Calvinism is one of the more revolting manifestations of
Christianity.
All versions are revolting. The central premises of Christianity
include the idea that humanity is so depraved that not even the best
people can be forgiven for their transgressions without human sacrifice.
No thanks, I'll pass.
Calvinism is much worse: its central idea is Predestination: that God
chose before Creation who would be saved or damned, and there's not a
thing that individual humans can do about it, regardless of Christ's
sacrifice. If you're not among the pre-chosen, Christ didn't die for
you.

Since Luther, most Protestant sects have argued against works as a
part of salvation; Calvinism manages to make faith irrelevant to it as
well.
Hope for the Heartless
2009-06-03 03:38:07 UTC
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Post by raven1
On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:40:07 -0600, Hope for the Heartless
Post by Hope for the Heartless
Post by Therion Ware
In my NVHO Calvinism is one of the more revolting manifestations of
Christianity.
All versions are revolting. The central premises of Christianity
include the idea that humanity is so depraved that not even the best
people can be forgiven for their transgressions without human sacrifice.
No thanks, I'll pass.
Calvinism is much worse: its central idea is Predestination: that God
chose before Creation who would be saved or damned, and there's not a
thing that individual humans can do about it, regardless of Christ's
sacrifice. If you're not among the pre-chosen, Christ didn't die for
you.
Since Luther, most Protestant sects have argued against works as a
part of salvation; Calvinism manages to make faith irrelevant to it as
well.
That might upset me if I thought faith was more important than being
good to other people, but I don't.
fasgnadh
2009-06-03 13:24:40 UTC
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Post by Therion Ware
On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:25:13 -0400, raven1
Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh
Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh
Raven snips the point, ignores the astonishing fact that
the REFORMED Chinese Communist Government now finds religion
to be a SOCIAL BENEFIT and REDUCES CRIME!
He's simply INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST, afraid of the facts
What's your point?
Post by fasgnadh
"Religious believers thrice the estimate
By Wu Jiao (China Daily)
"The number of people who describe themselves as religious
is a startling three times more than the official estimate,
according to the country's first major survey on religious beliefs."
...
Post by raven1
And what's your point, in any case?
The point is usually in the part you snip,
lets put it back and see why you removed the substance;
Yes, let's put back
"At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."

"For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
to a large extent," said Liu."

Atheism and religious persecution FAILED China, religion has
helped build a harmonious society and reduce crime!!! B^D
Astonishing evidence from the former BITTER ENEMIES of Faith! 8^D

When the Chinese Atheist Commo's throw in the towel and admit
that religion has won, it's time for western atheists to admit they
are never going to be of any more significance than their past
centuries of IRRELEVANCE!

Where else in the world has such a social experiment occurred?

They tried an atheist regime, and like EVERY other one it was a dismal
failure!

Then they reformed, relaxed their hardline persecution of religion,
the number of believers TRIPLED to 300,000,000 ( HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS
MORE than the GLOBAL increase in atheist numbers!! B^) China
prospered, and even the Communist leadership, backing away from the
fanaticism of Maoist State Atheism, admit religion is a SOCIAL GOOD
and reduces crime! B^D

Game Set Match! Watch the atheists HOWL!!! B^D B^D

Atheists need to reconsider their approach to religion
in the light of the FACTS. B^]

---


"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest

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"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest


"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

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fasgnadh
2009-06-03 13:55:08 UTC
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Post by Therion Ware
On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:25:13 -0400, raven1
"At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."

"For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
to a large extent," said Liu."
Post by Therion Ware
Post by raven1
The Chinese government is being pragmatic.
Of course, they have to be. Atheism and religious
persecution FAILED China, religion has
helped build a harmonious society and reduce crime!!! B^D

You can't get more PRAGMATIC than accepting REALITY.

But it is astonishing evidence of a COMPLETE ideological
backflip from the former BITTER ENEMIES of Faith! 8^D

What a contrast to the RABID and irrational hatred of religion
from atheist social saboteurs in the West who haven't learnt the
answer that Chinese Party members now accept:

"the Chinese government acknowledged the active role
religion plays in building a harmonious society."

"For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
to a large extent,"

Q.E.D.

"Also significant is the big rise in followers of Christianity.

According to official figures, their number rose from
less than 10 million in the late 1990s to 16 million
in 2005; but the survey finds 12 percent of all believers,
or 40 million, are Christians."

In SEVEN Years the number of atheists in the USA
went from 902,000 to 1,621,000

thats not even DOUBLE! B^D

In only FOUR years the number of Christians in China
MORE THAN DOUBLED from 16 million to 40 Million!!!!


When the Chinese Atheist Commo's throw in the towel and admit
that religion has won, it's time for western atheists to admit they
are never going to be of any more significance than their past
centuries of IRRELEVANCE!

Where else in the world has such a social experiment occurred?

They tried an atheist regime, and like EVERY other one it was a dismal
failure!

Then they reformed, relaxed their hardline persecution of religion,
the number of believers TRIPLED to 300,000,000 ( HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS
MORE than the GLOBAL increase in atheist numbers!! B^) China
prospered, and even the Communist leadership, backing away from the
fanaticism of Maoist State Atheism, admit religion is a SOCIAL GOOD
and reduces crime! B^D

Game Set Match! Watch the atheists HOWL!!! B^D B^D



Atheists need to reconsider their approach to religion
in the light of the FACTS. B^]
Post by Therion Ware
Post by raven1
Authoritarian rulers since
time immemorial have used religion as a tool for controlling their
people.
Well it sure as shit beats KILLING over 20,000,000 of them,
which was the ATHEIST tool for controlling people in the
diabolical Maoist era!!!!!

Thanks for pointing out how religious HARMONY beats
ATHEIST TYRANNY any day!!!!
Post by Therion Ware
Post by raven1
It's curious to see you applauding such a thing,
Why, unlike you atheist apologists for the atheist holocausts,
I am AGAINST terrorising, torturing and murdering over 20,000,000
people, and still not achieving Social Order!!! That is the Atheist
FAILURE of the Great Leap Backward and the Cultural Devolution!

Now even China's Party Officials admit that religion achieves social
harmony and lower crime, and millions are not dying!

It's curious how you atheist moral shitpigs are not joining the decent
folk in APPLAUDING the harmony, lower crime, and end to the massive
atheist death toll!

It is a disgrace, but we expect no better from any of you.
Post by Therion Ware
or advocating religion as useful
The Chinese Government are the ones doing that.

On the rational grounds that it delivers social harmony and reduces crime.

Why are you irrational atheists opposing that?
Post by Therion Ware
without regard to whether or not it is true.
WTF are you on about? Where is your evidence of anything
'not being true'?

It's simple, under atheism Mao killed 20,000,000 society
was in a shambles, Red Guards ran amok destroying temples,
killing monks and priests, torturing and persecuting believers..

..a typical atheist regime cluster fuck.

Now they have religion they have social harmony and lower crime.

It appears to be only you fanatical atheist dogmatists who
CANT PROCESS THE EVIDENCE!!! B^D

Here's some more for you to snip and Ignore;


"the number of middle-aged believers saw a big
surge in the late 1990s, according to Liu.

"They were atheist in the 1950s, but they
have turned to religion when they turned older."

About 72 percent of the religious said they are
happier now than when they were not believers."

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm



Game over! B^]
Interesting
Globally atheism is experiencing MASSIVE decline
and being overtaken by the explosion in theist belief!
Thanks
No worries, I'm glad to remove your blinkers.
Mark.
--
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest


"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest


"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg
fasgnadh
2009-06-05 22:50:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by fasgnadh.
Post by Therion Ware
On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:25:13 -0400, raven1
"At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."
"For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
to a large extent," said Liu."
Post by Therion Ware
Post by raven1
The Chinese government is being pragmatic.
Of course, they have to be. Atheism and religious
persecution FAILED China, religion has
helped build a harmonious society and reduce crime!!! B^D
You can't get more PRAGMATIC than accepting REALITY.
But it is astonishing evidence of a COMPLETE ideological
backflip from the former BITTER ENEMIES of Faith! 8^D
What a contrast to the RABID and irrational hatred of religion
from atheist social saboteurs in the West who haven't learnt the
"the Chinese government acknowledged the active role
religion plays in building a harmonious society."
"For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
to a large extent,"
Q.E.D.
God WINS? Which gods are those?
Well you can start by eliminating all the obvious frauds, the
false god's which are easy to identify by their FAILURE:

The atheist regimes of Lenin, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Ill Fuk
.. ALL the atheist tyrants who produced nothing but misery
and despair.

They dramatically demonstrated, for people who have forgotten the
Biblical lessons, that worshipping man-made idols simply WILL NOT WORK!

The entire world experienced a reminder of this when the global
enslavement to Moloch, the Golden Calf, the Love of Money, which is the
Root of All Evil, led to global panic and economic crisis.

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The ancient warnings about worshipping this seem to have fallen on
deaf ears, especially among those who have their heads stuffed up it;

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Greed, it seems, is NOT GOOD!

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There were dozens of False Messiahs before Jesus, but, like the Atheist
tyrants they typically had a POLITICAL agendas which they dressed up in
religious terms, because that would give them 'credibility'.
For a while.

But the proof is in the pudding, and so NONE of those false prophets
succeeded in inspiring or creating any great, or enduring Civilisation,
such as the Judeao/Christian/Islamic one we all enjoy and which
President Obama openly acknowledged the (often deliberately) forgotten
chapter;


# As a student of history, I also know civilisation's debt to Islam.
# It was Islam – at places like Al-Azhar University – that carried
# the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the
# way for Europe's Renaissance and Enlightenment. It was innovation
# in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our
# magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and
# printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it
# can be healed.
# Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires;
# timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and
# places of peaceful contemplation. And throughout history, Islam
# has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities
# of religious tolerance and racial equality.
Post by fasgnadh.
"Also significant is the big rise in followers of Christianity.
According to official figures, their number rose from
less than 10 million in the late 1990s to 16 million
in 2005; but the survey finds 12 percent of all believers,
or 40 million, are Christians."
In SEVEN Years the number of atheists in the USA
went from 902,000 to 1,621,000
that's not even DOUBLE! B^D
In only FOUR years the number of Christians in China
MORE THAN DOUBLED from 16 million to 40 Million!!!!
The lies told by Lenin and Mao were found to be false, EMPIRICALLY!

Reality is a wonderful teacher. B^D

Now, Religion CAN be perveted to other ends, the Borgia Popes
are a classic example, but they do not last, eventually you
get Reformation or Vatican II, and an apology to the Jews,
to Galileao, to Islam.. because TRUTH has a home in the
SOURCE of truth.

In atheist states it is just one long, unrelenting slide into
misery, despair death and destruction.

Q.E. fuckin D. !!!


The Great and enduring religions of the world, now undergoing their
Global refurbishment as agents of Unity and Peace, have lasted because
they embody a Spirit which none of the man-made philosophies possess,
a spirit which is both Eternal and Living.. which thus changes with the
times, with the growth and evolution of humanity, which is revealed
in greater depth and complexity as WE mature and can understand it more
fully... and so it CONTINUES to guide us as we asymptote toward
perfection.. towards God. 8^)

And that is why you find the speech of the most powerful Believer on the
planet, leading not only the majority religious Superpower on the
planet, but all people of goodwill who desire Peace, Unity (in
diversity) and Justice.. is peppered with quotes from scripture..
from the Torah and the Bible and the Koran!

They are the Word of the Living God.

Spoken by mature, tolerant and respectful believers who were wise
enough to create a SECULAR Pluralist State, so that no SINGLE RELIGION
may dominate the FREEDOM of every one to believe and think and speak
their mind!

256. Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clear from
error; whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most
trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth
all things.

- The Qur'an Surah 2


Praise God for the founding fathers of the USA following such WISDOM!

And those words resonate with more POWER than any tinpot atheist
shithole tyranny, no matter how brutally it stands over it's luckless
victims with it's boot across their throat!
Post by fasgnadh.
When the Chinese Atheist Commo's throw in the towel and admit
that religion has won, it's time for western atheists to admit they
are never going to be of any more significance than their past
centuries of IRRELEVANCE!
Where else in the world has such a social experiment occurred?
They tried an atheist regime, and like EVERY other one it was a dismal
failure!
Then they reformed, relaxed their hardline persecution of religion,
the number of believers TRIPLED to 300,000,000 ( HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS
MORE than the GLOBAL increase in atheist numbers!! B^) China
prospered, and even the Communist leadership, backing away from the
fanaticism of Maoist State Atheism, admit religion is a SOCIAL GOOD
and reduces crime! B^D
Game Set Match! Watch the atheists HOWL!!! B^D B^D
Atheists need to reconsider their approach to religion
in the light of the FACTS. B^]
Post by Therion Ware
Post by raven1
Authoritarian rulers since
time immemorial have used religion as a tool for controlling their
people.
Well it sure as shit beats KILLING over 20,000,000 of them,
which was the ATHEIST tool for controlling people in the
diabolical Maoist era!!!!!
Thanks for pointing out how religious HARMONY beats
ATHEIST TYRANNY any day!!!!
Post by Therion Ware
Post by raven1
It's curious to see you applauding such a thing,
Why, unlike you atheist apologists for the atheist holocausts,
I am AGAINST terrorising, torturing and murdering over 20,000,000
people, and still not achieving Social Order!!! That is the Atheist
FAILURE of the Great Leap Backward and the Cultural Devolution!
Now even China's Party Officials admit that religion achieves social
harmony and lower crime, and millions are not dying!
It's curious how you atheist moral shitpigs are not joining the decent
folk in APPLAUDING the harmony, lower crime, and end to the massive
atheist death toll!
It is a disgrace, but we expect no better from any of you.
Post by Therion Ware
or advocating religion as useful
The Chinese Government are the ones doing that.
On the rational grounds that it delivers social harmony and reduces crime.
Why are you irrational atheists opposing that?
Post by Therion Ware
without regard to whether or not it is true.
WTF are you on about? Where is your evidence of anything
'not being true'?
It's simple, under atheism Mao killed 20,000,000 society
was in a shambles, Red Guards ran amok destroying temples,
killing monks and priests, torturing and persecuting believers..
..a typical atheist regime cluster fuck.
Now they have religion they have social harmony and lower crime.
It appears to be only you fanatical atheist dogmatists who
CANT PROCESS THE EVIDENCE!!! B^D
Here's some more for you to snip and Ignore;
"the number of middle-aged believers saw a big
surge in the late 1990s, according to Liu.
"They were atheist in the 1950s, but they
have turned to religion when they turned older."
About 72 percent of the religious said they are
happier now than when they were not believers."
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
Game over! B^]
Interesting
Globally atheism is experiencing MASSIVE decline
and being overtaken by the explosion in theist belief!
Thanks
No worries, I'm glad to remove your blinkers.
Mark.
In contrast to great and enduring civilisations Inspired by divine
teachings,
the Atheist regimes of the 20th century, while briefly
powerful, had no lasting impact, were impotent and fruitless, creating
only despair, misery and tens of millions of dead victims.

They were based on PROPAGANDA, and like Hitler, used modern technology,
deception, and finally Terror to exercise power over billions of people.

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest

Deception is the basis of EVERY atheist tyranny, if you doubt it,
just look at the remaining one, North Korea, and contemplate the
breadth and depth of lies which atheist regimes use to cling desperately
to POWER. Consider also the lies which Western atheists, not just
blatant forgers such as Virgil and Syd, but all those who are complicit
in their lies, and like Richo, lie to defend the North Korean Atheists,
trying to blacken genuine religion by calling the atheist DPRK's Juche
ideology, (sans God, sans morality, sans a prayer of producing anything
worthwhile) a 'religion'! How pathetic for atheism when it's ONLY
remaining defence is to PRETEND to be that which it COUNTERFEITS!
Be it Syd and Virgil posing as individuals in a cheap and dishonest
attempt to discredit them, or atheists pretending to be a religion for
the SAME PURPOSE:


# It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
#
#
# "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
# of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
# after being refused permission to put atheist
# advertising on buses." - The Age 29/1/2009
#
# "atheism counts as a religion, though we say
# we're not one," Dr Perkins said."
If you can get them to believe one lie, you can control them.
And that has always been the atheist methodology since Lenin and Pravda!
Ever noticed how the "suspension of disbelief" mechanism required to
enjoy a movie works in pretty much the same way
But like a movie, it doesn't last long!

You can fool some of the people all of the time,
and all of the people some of the time,
but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

Eventually the Big Lie that was Soviet Atheism was revealed.

Eventually the Big Lie that was Maoist Atheism was revealed.

Eventually the Big Lie that was Pol Pot's Atheism was revealed.

Already the Big Lie that is North Korean Juche Atheism is revealed.


Like neo-Nazis, all the Atheist's can do now is deny the
atheist holocausts ever took place, and retreat into endless semantic
quibbles, pointless metaphysical speculation and sophistry, and
huddling together in Usenet for some ego-salving mutual tool fondling,
Oh, and FWIW...
http://tinyurl.com/RRRSOLe-bfjl
--
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest


"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest


"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg
fasgnadh
2009-06-03 14:23:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by fasgnadh.
"At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."
Buddhism can be atheistic.
Not these ones.. most say they are happier now than when they were
NON BELIEVERS.. i.e. they are FORMER atheists!!! B^D

"Religious believers thrice the estimate"
By Wu Jiao (China Daily)
Updated: 2007-02-07 07:03

"The number of people who describe themselves as religious is a
startling three times more than the official estimate, according to the
country's first major survey on religious beliefs.

The poll of about 4,500 people, conducted by professors Tong Shijun and
Liu Zhongyu of Shanghai-based East China Normal University from 2005
till recently, found that 31.4 percent of Chinese aged 16 and above or
about 300 million are religious.

About 72 percent of the religious said they are
happier now than when they were not believers."

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm


72% of the religious (Christian, Taoist or Buddhist...) are
happier now than when they WERE NOT believers!


But even if we consider the 40 million Christians
they have more than DOUBLED in four years,

"Also significant is the big rise in followers
of Christianity.

According to official figures, their number rose from
less than 10 million in the late 1990s to 16 million
in 2005; but the survey finds 12 percent of all believers,
or 40 million, are Christians."


The piddling 902,000 atheists in the USA couldn't
even double their numbers in SEVEN YEARS! (ARIS, March 2009)

DO THE MATH!!! B^D

MILLIONS of former atheists have become believers..

while in the west, Atheism WALLOWS, all it has achieved in
a decade is some laughable BUS BELIEF ADS!!! B^D
--
"God is Back: How the Global Revival of Faith is Changing the World"
By John Micklethwait and Adrian Wooldridge
Financial Times, March 30 2009
The authors observe that, in general, “the great forces
of modernity – technology and democracy, choice and freedom
– are all strengthening religion rather than undermining it”.
And as a result of this, they claim that the world is moving
in the “American direction, where religion and modernity
happily co-exist, rather than in the European direction,
where secularisation marginalises religion”.

As much of the
literature on US religion either deprecates its rightwing
bias or boosts its wonder-working power, a cool and fair
analysis such as this is a welcome rarity.

Although it may seem like a departure
from the sort of subject matter one might expect senior
Economist writers to cover, God is Back is the duo’s
most successful and vivid book to date. It is filled
with clear and apposite examples of resurgent religiosity.
Take the case of Chick-fil-A, a fast-food chain, selling
chicken sandwiches. The company’s mission statement
is “to glorify God by being faithful stewards of all
that is entrusted to us and to have a positive
influence on all who come into contact with Chick-fil-A”.
This is not a lone or freakish instance of
unembarrassed belief in God, say the authors.

The central message of this book is that the US,
by separating the state from the church and decreeing
religious freedom, established the lasting base for
religious entrepreneurialism, and for a successful
export of various forms of Christianity.

Thomas Jefferson saw separation as good for religion
because it would promote competition; James Madison
saw it as good for the state because religion could
be free “to promote public morality, unencumbered by
state patronage”. On their beliefs – and those of the
other framers of the Constitution – an entrepreneurial
religious agora was created, constantly able to renew
itself, as it is now doing.

US evangelicals are not a collection of rednecks:
their churches are often mixed-race, their interests
increasingly comprehend world poverty and global
warming, and they are shedding the anti-intellectual
image. Marginalised from a largely secular educational
establishment, they have “formed an impressive array
of academic associations”, which exist parallel to
the state colleges and the Ivy League.

Christianity is the overwhelming focus of the narrative.
In this sense, the book fails to be comprehensive and
falls short of its sub-title, “How the Global Rise of
Faith is Changing the World”. The God that is back is
a Christian one, with an American accent.

There is little about Orthodoxy, not much more
about Judaism, while
Buddhism and Hinduism must fend for themselves.

Above all, the authors destroy the equation often
made by anti-Americanists between US evangelism
and radical Islam. The former resides in an assumption,
not just of toleration, but of pluralism: the second
insists not just on the rightness of its path but on
the duty to impose it by force. “History”, said Jefferson,
“furnishes no example of a priest-ridden country
maintaining a free civil government.”

Hilarious! Jefferson helped found one!

For all its
sins against liberalism, particularly on the issue
of gay sexuality, new-minted US Christianity has
remained true to the founders’ belief that faith
should be freely found.'

Amen to that!

John Lloyd is a contributing editor to the Financial Times
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/40524ce6-1a5e-11de-9f91-0000779fd2ac.html
Syd
2009-06-03 15:03:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by fasgnadh
   "At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
    Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
    the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."
 Buddhism can be atheistic.
Not these ones.. most say they are happier now than when they were
NON BELIEVERS..    i.e. they are FORMER atheists!!!   B^D
"Religious believers thrice the estimate"
   By Wu Jiao (China Daily)
   Updated: 2007-02-07 07:03
"The number of people who describe themselves as religious is a
startling three times more than the official estimate, according to the
country's first major survey on religious beliefs.
The poll of about 4,500 people, conducted by professors Tong Shijun and
Liu Zhongyu of Shanghai-based East China Normal University from 2005
till recently, found that 31.4 percent of Chinese aged 16 and above or
about 300 million are religious.
About 72 percent of the religious said they are
happier now than when they were not believers."
   http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
    72% of the religious (Christian, Taoist or Buddhist...) are
     happier now than when they WERE NOT believers!
But even if we consider the 40 million Christians
they have more than DOUBLED in four years,
    "Also significant is the big rise in followers
     of Christianity.
     According to official figures, their number rose from
     less than 10 million in the late 1990s to 16 million
     in 2005; but the survey finds 12 percent of all believers,
     or 40 million, are Christians."
The piddling 902,000 atheists in the USA couldn't
even double their numbers in SEVEN YEARS!  (ARIS, March 2009)
DO THE MATH!!!     B^D
MILLIONS of former atheists have become believers..
No.
Your lying again.
Don H
2009-06-03 22:24:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by fasgnadh
Post by fasgnadh.
"At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."
Buddhism can be atheistic.
Not these ones.. most say they are happier now than when they were
NON BELIEVERS.. i.e. they are FORMER atheists!!! B^D
"Religious believers thrice the estimate"
By Wu Jiao (China Daily)
Updated: 2007-02-07 07:03
"The number of people who describe themselves as religious is a
startling three times more than the official estimate, according to the
country's first major survey on religious beliefs.
The poll of about 4,500 people, conducted by professors Tong Shijun and
Liu Zhongyu of Shanghai-based East China Normal University from 2005
till recently, found that 31.4 percent of Chinese aged 16 and above or
about 300 million are religious.
About 72 percent of the religious said they are
happier now than when they were not believers."
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
72% of the religious (Christian, Taoist or Buddhist...) are
happier now than when they WERE NOT believers!
But even if we consider the 40 million Christians
they have more than DOUBLED in four years,
"Also significant is the big rise in followers
of Christianity.
According to official figures, their number rose from
less than 10 million in the late 1990s to 16 million
in 2005; but the survey finds 12 percent of all believers,
or 40 million, are Christians."
The piddling 902,000 atheists in the USA couldn't
even double their numbers in SEVEN YEARS! (ARIS, March 2009)
DO THE MATH!!! B^D
MILLIONS of former atheists have become believers..
while in the west, Atheism WALLOWS, all it has achieved in
a decade is some laughable BUS BELIEF ADS!!! B^D
--
"God is Back: How the Global Revival of Faith is Changing the World"
By John Micklethwait and Adrian Wooldridge
Financial Times, March 30 2009
The authors observe that, in general, “the great forces
of modernity – technology and democracy, choice and freedom
– are all strengthening religion rather than undermining it”.
And as a result of this, they claim that the world is moving
in the “American direction, where religion and modernity
happily co-exist, rather than in the European direction,
where secularisation marginalises religion”.
As much of the
literature on US religion either deprecates its rightwing
bias or boosts its wonder-working power, a cool and fair
analysis such as this is a welcome rarity.
Although it may seem like a departure
from the sort of subject matter one might expect senior
Economist writers to cover, God is Back is the duo’s
most successful and vivid book to date. It is filled
with clear and apposite examples of resurgent religiosity.
Take the case of Chick-fil-A, a fast-food chain, selling
chicken sandwiches. The company’s mission statement
is “to glorify God by being faithful stewards of all
that is entrusted to us and to have a positive
influence on all who come into contact with Chick-fil-A”.
This is not a lone or freakish instance of
unembarrassed belief in God, say the authors.
The central message of this book is that the US,
by separating the state from the church and decreeing
religious freedom, established the lasting base for
religious entrepreneurialism, and for a successful
export of various forms of Christianity.
Thomas Jefferson saw separation as good for religion
because it would promote competition; James Madison
saw it as good for the state because religion could
be free “to promote public morality, unencumbered by
state patronage”. On their beliefs – and those of the
other framers of the Constitution – an entrepreneurial
religious agora was created, constantly able to renew
itself, as it is now doing.
their churches are often mixed-race, their interests
increasingly comprehend world poverty and global
warming, and they are shedding the anti-intellectual
image. Marginalised from a largely secular educational
establishment, they have “formed an impressive array
of academic associations”, which exist parallel to
the state colleges and the Ivy League.
Christianity is the overwhelming focus of the narrative.
In this sense, the book fails to be comprehensive and
falls short of its sub-title, “How the Global Rise of
Faith is Changing the World”. The God that is back is
a Christian one, with an American accent.
There is little about Orthodoxy, not much more
about Judaism, while
Buddhism and Hinduism must fend for themselves.
Above all, the authors destroy the equation often
made by anti-Americanists between US evangelism
and radical Islam. The former resides in an assumption,
not just of toleration, but of pluralism: the second
insists not just on the rightness of its path but on
the duty to impose it by force. “History”, said Jefferson,
“furnishes no example of a priest-ridden country
maintaining a free civil government.”
Hilarious! Jefferson helped found one!
For all its
sins against liberalism, particularly on the issue
of gay sexuality, new-minted US Christianity has
remained true to the founders’ belief that faith
should be freely found.'
Amen to that!
John Lloyd is a contributing editor to the Financial Times
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/40524ce6-1a5e-11de-9f91-0000779fd2ac.html
# Hello, I thought China was an atheist nation under the grip of the dreaded
Commos?
But then modern China is more nationalistic than communistic, perhaps,
even if such huge population may need one-party rule - not that having an
Opposition makes much difference (like Tweedledumbo and Tweedledonkee in
USA).
Atheism is merely an answer to one question of philosophy - Does a God,
god, goddess, exist? It is not necessarily a whole Way of Life in itself,
even if officially Atheist societies might like to make it so.
Which is why people may choose to be Humanists, or Rationalists, or
agnostic Buddhists.
The Eternal Life Insurance (ELI) industry is still prevalent, and tends to
thrive in economic troubling times, but must rely on indoctrination of the
young, or its Sacred Texts might be impartially scrutinised, and found
wanting.
==================
My Sainted Aunt
==============
Beware the Dreaded Atheist,
Whose existence, I deplore!
'Cos He is Ruthless Stalinist,
Not Kindly Gent Next Door.
And I am sure that Adolf,
Was a Nice Chap, at Heart;
Who shed a Tear for Every Jew,
Who did, in Smoke, Depart.
=========================
fasgnadh
2009-06-04 07:59:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Don H
Post by fasgnadh
Post by fasgnadh.
"At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."
Buddhism can be atheistic.
Not these ones.. most say they are happier now than when they were
NON BELIEVERS.. i.e. they are FORMER atheists!!! B^D
"Religious believers thrice the estimate"
By Wu Jiao (China Daily)
Updated: 2007-02-07 07:03
"The number of people who describe themselves as religious is a
startling three times more than the official estimate, according to the
country's first major survey on religious beliefs.
The poll of about 4,500 people, conducted by professors Tong Shijun and
Liu Zhongyu of Shanghai-based East China Normal University from 2005
till recently, found that 31.4 percent of Chinese aged 16 and above or
about 300 million are religious.
About 72 percent of the religious said they are
happier now than when they were not believers."
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
72% of the religious (Christian, Taoist or Buddhist...) are
happier now than when they WERE NOT believers!
I thought China was an atheist nation under the
grip of the dreaded Commos?
They were, but after over 20,000,000 terrorised, tortured and
murdered under the Great leap Backward and Cultural Devolution
under maoist Atheism, they reformed!


"With the gradual liberalisation that developed with
Deng Xiaoping's open door reforms, religion was no
longer proscribed. In 1982, the constitution was
amended to allow Chinese people considerable freedom
of religion."

http://cbbc.org/china_guide/religion.html

Obviously you haven't kept up with what's happening in
the world;

http://www.geocities.com/townsville_taliban/endoscope.html

The reforms the Communists implemented included economic
liberalisation and and removing the rabid atheists from power
and allowing greater religious freedom... since then
religion has tripled to 300,000,000 and China has prospered.
Post by Don H
Post by fasgnadh
But even if we consider the 40 million Christians
they have more than DOUBLED in four years,
"Also significant is the big rise in followers
of Christianity.
According to official figures, their number rose from
less than 10 million in the late 1990s to 16 million
in 2005; but the survey finds 12 percent of all believers,
or 40 million, are Christians."
Atheism is merely an answer to one question
The Chinese found that it had no answers at all, just a
huge pile of dead bodies. That's why it's in retreat, globally;
Post by Don H
Post by fasgnadh
The piddling 902,000 atheists in the USA couldn't
even double their numbers in SEVEN YEARS! (ARIS, March 2009)
DO THE MATH!!! B^D
MILLIONS of former atheists have become believers..
while in the west, Atheism WALLOWS, all it has achieved in
a decade is some laughable BUS BELIEF ADS!!! B^D
Does a God, god, goddess, exist?
More people that ever are saying YES, and so we see atheist states
collapsing, 100's of millions of former atheists finding faith, and
72% of them happier when they do!

Game Set Match! B^)
Post by Don H
Post by fasgnadh
--
"God is Back: How the Global Revival of Faith is Changing the World"
By John Micklethwait and Adrian Wooldridge
Financial Times, March 30 2009
The authors observe that, in general, “the great forces
of modernity – technology and democracy, choice and freedom
– are all strengthening religion rather than undermining it”.
And as a result of this, they claim that the world is moving
in the “American direction, where religion and modernity
happily co-exist, rather than in the European direction,
where secularisation marginalises religion”.
As much of the
literature on US religion either deprecates its rightwing
bias or boosts its wonder-working power, a cool and fair
analysis such as this is a welcome rarity.
Although it may seem like a departure
from the sort of subject matter one might expect senior
Economist writers to cover, God is Back is the duo’s
most successful and vivid book to date. It is filled
with clear and apposite examples of resurgent religiosity.
Take the case of Chick-fil-A, a fast-food chain, selling
chicken sandwiches. The company’s mission statement
is “to glorify God by being faithful stewards of all
that is entrusted to us and to have a positive
influence on all who come into contact with Chick-fil-A”.
This is not a lone or freakish instance of
unembarrassed belief in God, say the authors.
The central message of this book is that the US,
by separating the state from the church and decreeing
religious freedom, established the lasting base for
religious entrepreneurialism, and for a successful
export of various forms of Christianity.
Thomas Jefferson saw separation as good for religion
because it would promote competition; James Madison
saw it as good for the state because religion could
be free “to promote public morality, unencumbered by
state patronage”. On their beliefs – and those of the
other framers of the Constitution – an entrepreneurial
religious agora was created, constantly able to renew
itself, as it is now doing.
their churches are often mixed-race, their interests
increasingly comprehend world poverty and global
warming, and they are shedding the anti-intellectual
image. Marginalised from a largely secular educational
establishment, they have “formed an impressive array
of academic associations”, which exist parallel to
the state colleges and the Ivy League.
Christianity is the overwhelming focus of the narrative.
In this sense, the book fails to be comprehensive and
falls short of its sub-title, “How the Global Rise of
Faith is Changing the World”. The God that is back is
a Christian one, with an American accent.
There is little about Orthodoxy, not much more
about Judaism, while
Buddhism and Hinduism must fend for themselves.
Above all, the authors destroy the equation often
made by anti-Americanists between US evangelism
and radical Islam. The former resides in an assumption,
not just of toleration, but of pluralism: the second
insists not just on the rightness of its path but on
the duty to impose it by force. “History”, said Jefferson,
“furnishes no example of a priest-ridden country
maintaining a free civil government.”
Hilarious! Jefferson helped found one!
For all its
sins against liberalism, particularly on the issue
of gay sexuality, new-minted US Christianity has
remained true to the founders’ belief that faith
should be freely found.'
Amen to that!
John Lloyd is a contributing editor to the Financial Times
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/40524ce6-1a5e-11de-9f91-0000779fd2ac.html
==================
My Sainted Aunt
==============
Beware the Dreaded Atheist,
Whose existence, I deplore!
'Cos He is Ruthless Stalinist,
Not Kindly Gent Next Door.
=========================
--
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest


"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest


"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg
Davej
2009-06-04 09:31:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by fasgnadh
[...]
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
Just how is this so different from the right-wing nutjob's mantra of
passing the ammunition and letting God sort them out? The prisons are
full of violent, hateful Christians, not atheists.
fasgnadh
2009-06-04 10:08:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Davej
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Don H
Post by fasgnadh
Post by fasgnadh.
"At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."
Buddhism can be atheistic.
Not these ones.. most say they are happier now than when they were
NON BELIEVERS.. i.e. they are FORMER atheists!!! B^D
"Religious believers thrice the estimate"
By Wu Jiao (China Daily)
Updated: 2007-02-07 07:03
"The number of people who describe themselves as religious is a
startling three times more than the official estimate, according to the
country's first major survey on religious beliefs.
The poll of about 4,500 people, conducted by professors Tong Shijun and
Liu Zhongyu of Shanghai-based East China Normal University from 2005
till recently, found that 31.4 percent of Chinese aged 16 and above or
about 300 million are religious.
About 72 percent of the religious said they are
happier now than when they were not believers."
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
72% of the religious (Christian, Taoist or Buddhist...) are
happier now than when they WERE NOT believers!
I thought China was an atheist nation under the
grip of the dreaded Commos?
They were, but after over 20,000,000 terrorised, tortured and
murdered under the Great leap Backward and Cultural Devolution
under maoist Atheism, they reformed!
"With the gradual liberalisation that developed with
Deng Xiaoping's open door reforms, religion was no
longer proscribed. In 1982, the constitution was
amended to allow Chinese people considerable freedom
of religion."
http://cbbc.org/china_guide/religion.html
Obviously you haven't kept up with what's happening in
the world;
http://www.geocities.com/townsville_taliban/endoscope.html
The reforms the Communists implemented included economic
liberalisation and and removing the rabid atheists from power
and allowing greater religious freedom... since then
religion has tripled to 300,000,000 and China has prospered.
Post by Don H
Post by fasgnadh
But even if we consider the 40 million Christians
they have more than DOUBLED in four years,
"Also significant is the big rise in followers
of Christianity.
According to official figures, their number rose from
less than 10 million in the late 1990s to 16 million
in 2005; but the survey finds 12 percent of all believers,
or 40 million, are Christians."
Atheism is merely an answer to one question
The Chinese found that it had no answers at all, just a
huge pile of dead bodies. That's why it's in retreat, globally;
Post by Don H
Post by fasgnadh
The piddling 902,000 atheists in the USA couldn't
even double their numbers in SEVEN YEARS! (ARIS, March 2009)
DO THE MATH!!! B^D
MILLIONS of former atheists have become believers..
while in the west, Atheism WALLOWS, all it has achieved in
a decade is some laughable BUS BELIEF ADS!!! B^D
Does a God, god, goddess, exist?
More people that ever are saying YES, and so we see atheist states
collapsing, 100's of millions of former atheists finding faith, and
72% of them happier when they do!
Game Set Match! B^)
Post by Don H
Post by fasgnadh
--
"God is Back: How the Global Revival of Faith is Changing the World"
By John Micklethwait and Adrian Wooldridge
Financial Times, March 30 2009
The authors observe that, in general, “the great forces
of modernity – technology and democracy, choice and freedom
– are all strengthening religion rather than undermining it”.
And as a result of this, they claim that the world is moving
in the “American direction, where religion and modernity
happily co-exist, rather than in the European direction,
where secularisation marginalises religion”.
As much of the
literature on US religion either deprecates its rightwing
bias or boosts its wonder-working power, a cool and fair
analysis such as this is a welcome rarity.
Although it may seem like a departure
from the sort of subject matter one might expect senior
Economist writers to cover, God is Back is the duo’s
most successful and vivid book to date. It is filled
with clear and apposite examples of resurgent religiosity.
Take the case of Chick-fil-A, a fast-food chain, selling
chicken sandwiches. The company’s mission statement
is “to glorify God by being faithful stewards of all
that is entrusted to us and to have a positive
influence on all who come into contact with Chick-fil-A”.
This is not a lone or freakish instance of
unembarrassed belief in God, say the authors.
The central message of this book is that the US,
by separating the state from the church and decreeing
religious freedom, established the lasting base for
religious entrepreneurialism, and for a successful
export of various forms of Christianity.
Thomas Jefferson saw separation as good for religion
because it would promote competition; James Madison
saw it as good for the state because religion could
be free “to promote public morality, unencumbered by
state patronage”. On their beliefs – and those of the
other framers of the Constitution – an entrepreneurial
religious agora was created, constantly able to renew
itself, as it is now doing.
their churches are often mixed-race, their interests
increasingly comprehend world poverty and global
warming, and they are shedding the anti-intellectual
image. Marginalised from a largely secular educational
establishment, they have “formed an impressive array
of academic associations”, which exist parallel to
the state colleges and the Ivy League.
Christianity is the overwhelming focus of the narrative.
In this sense, the book fails to be comprehensive and
falls short of its sub-title, “How the Global Rise of
Faith is Changing the World”. The God that is back is
a Christian one, with an American accent.
There is little about Orthodoxy, not much more
about Judaism, while
Buddhism and Hinduism must fend for themselves.
Above all, the authors destroy the equation often
made by anti-Americanists between US evangelism
and radical Islam. The former resides in an assumption,
not just of toleration, but of pluralism: the second
insists not just on the rightness of its path but on
the duty to impose it by force. “History”, said Jefferson,
“furnishes no example of a priest-ridden country
maintaining a free civil government.”
Hilarious! Jefferson helped found one!
For all its
sins against liberalism, particularly on the issue
of gay sexuality, new-minted US Christianity has
remained true to the founders’ belief that faith
should be freely found.'
Amen to that!
John Lloyd is a contributing editor to the Financial Times
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/40524ce6-1a5e-11de-9f91-0000779fd2ac.html
==================
My Sainted Aunt
==============
Beware the Dreaded Atheist,
Whose existence, I deplore!
'Cos He is Ruthless Stalinist,
Not Kindly Gent Next Door.
=========================
---------
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
Just how is this so different from the right-wing nutjob's mantra of
passing the ammunition and letting God sort them out?
Are you serious, you really can't tell the difference between systematic
terror torture and murder under the atheist Red Terror, and the rhetoric
of some right wing nutjobs who are constrained by the laws, police, and
social values which PREVAIL in a modern, pluralist, rights based,
majority religious society like the USA or Australia?

You really can't tell the difference between the freedoms and
protections you have here, (which were created by RELIGIOUS BELIEVERS
wise enough to draft constitutions establishing Separation of Church
and state and secular government and legal system).. on one hand..
and the totalitarian atheist shitholes terrorised by the NKVD, Stasi,
Red Guards, and North Korean secret police?

You should get out more.
Post by Davej
The prisons are
full of violent, hateful Christians, not atheists.
That would be because 80% of the population is religious and
only 0.7% are atheists. Do try and do the math before you
make a complete fool of yourself! B^p
Post by Davej
Post by fasgnadh
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg
bob young
2009-06-05 10:37:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Davej
Post by fasgnadh
[...]
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
Just how is this so different from the right-wing nutjob's mantra of
passing the ammunition and letting God sort them out? The prisons are
full of violent, hateful Christians, not atheists.
Hitler was past master at running firing squads
Olrik
2009-05-30 03:24:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by fasgnadh.
"Religious believers thrice the estimate
By Wu Jiao (China Daily)
"The number of people who describe themselves as religious
is a startling three times more than the official estimate,
according to the country's first major survey on religious beliefs."
"At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."
"For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
to a large extent," said Liu."
Well, one hope they'll become as religious as the USA and get the same
crime rate.

Olrik
Post by fasgnadh.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
fasgnadh-
2009-06-05 23:32:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Olrik
Post by fasgnadh.
"Religious believers thrice the estimate
By Wu Jiao (China Daily)
"The number of people who describe themselves as religious
is a startling three times more than the official estimate,
according to the country's first major survey on religious beliefs."
"At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."
"For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
to a large extent," said Liu."
Well, one hope they'll become as religious as the USA
Absolutely! B^D

And develop the same open, pluralist, majority religious society
where fredom of thought, beleif and speech is a right, unlike the way
such fundamental human rights have been denied and abused in EVERY
atheist regime!
Post by Olrik
Olrik
Post by fasgnadh.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
Martin
2009-05-30 10:18:40 UTC
Permalink
fasgnadh. wrote:

You nym changing fuckwitted moron. Back into the kill file for you wanker.
fasgnadh'
2009-06-01 09:27:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Martin
You nym changing fuckwitted moron. Back into the kill file for you wanker.
When atheist post forgers try to silence people by IMPERSONATING
their NYM in bare faced FORGERY, intending to blacken our nym
by putting THEIR word's in OUR mouth, leading others to killfile 'us',
because of the filthy lies THEY have posted... we are entitled to
cleanse our nyms of their FILTH. B^)

If that is not an acceptable reason for nym shifting,
then go have a little cry. B^]


"nemo me impune lacessit!" B^)


---------

Virgil is an atheist forger and thug who Cyber-stalks individuals.

From: Virgil <***@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: discussion and reason in alt.atheism
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 17:58:59 -0600
Message-ID: <vmhjr2-***@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
#
#
# > And then, when some theists, taking atheists at their
# > word (always an error of judgement ;-) begin a dialogue,
# > the atheist Jackal pack gang rapes them!
#
# You ..could remain safely unraped by staying in your own yards

In other words, this thug proposes that the solution to Cyberstalking
designed to silence the targets, is for those targets to fall silent!!

Anyone smell NKVD, Red Terror and the atheist gulags?

He does this with the full support, complicity and encouragement
of the atheist community in alt.atheism.

The tool he uses is

Usenet Monster Unlimited - http://www.usenetmonster.com

For $2.95 per month, far less than 30 pieces of silver,
the Usenet Monsters allow Spammers to impersonate other
Users Net Ids, to literally FORGE posts using those
fraudulent impersonations ...with a single intent..
it is not 'debate', it is not 'rational dialogue',
it is not 'logical argument' it is coercion designed to

stop their targets from posting in Usenet!!!

In Australia this is Cyber-stalking and it is a Crime.


" stop posting to alt.atheism, and we will stop"

- "Virgil" posting as "Chung" <***@cde.com> aka
"ABCHUNG" <***@def.ghi> aka
"hdangsaf" hdangsaf <***@ng.saf> aka ..??


Chung and ABCHUNG are Virgil's impersonations of
a Christian poster, who is apparently a doctor
and an Author in the US, and is fiercely debated.

I don't know the target personally, I don't believe we have
spoken or debated.. I merely observe the Cyberstalking..

Fierce debate is fine, but you put YOUR OWN views.. you
DONT POST YOUR POPPYCOCK UNDER THEIR STOLEN NETIDS!!!!

Disagreement is fine... the Impersonation, Cyberstalking
Net Forgery and fraud with the specific intent of
getting the victim to CEASE SPEAKING, is not!! B^[

It is a disgraceful attempt to REMOVE someone's free
speech by intimidation!


# From: ABCHUNG <***@def.ghi>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion,aus.religion,aus.politics,
# alt.politics.republicans,alt.politics.democrats,uk.politics.misc
# User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.2 (PPC Mac OS X)
# Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:39:51 -0600
# Message-ID: <ABC-***@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
# Organization: Usenet Monster Unlimited - http://www.usenetmonster.com
# NNTP-Posting-Host: eea407f9.unlimited.usenetmonster.com
# X-Complaints-To: ***@usenetmonster.com
# X-Trace:
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# From: Chung <***@cde.com>
# Newsgroups: sci.med.cardiology,alt.christnet.christianlife,
# alt.messianic.yeshua,alt.christnet.theologyalt.atheism,
# Subject: Re: Theist Frauds and Forgers
# User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.2 (PPC Mac OS X)
# Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 17:37:23 -0600
# Message-ID: <ABC-***@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
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# NNTP-Posting-Host: 945ce08f.unlimited.usenetmonster.com
# X-Complaints-To: ***@usenetmonster.com
# X-Trace:
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# From: hdangsaf <***@ng.saf>
# User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.2 (PPC Mac OS X)
# Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 21:12:48 -0600
# Message-ID: <hd-***@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
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# From: A Nony Mouse <***@nowhere.com>
# Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.philosophy,alt.atheism.satire,aus.religion,alt.usenet.kooks
# Subject: Re: The Problem with atheism is that it has never had a
Reformation or needed one.
# User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.2 (PPC Mac OS X)
# Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:48:50 -0600
# Message-ID: <virgil-***@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
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# X-Complaints-To: ***@usenetmonster.com
# X-Trace:
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Atheists impersonate an individual to DISCREDIT them with
WHAT THE ATHEISTS POST.. not by what the individual himself
has to say!

It is not MERE misrepresentation, most debates involve that,
It is FORGERY.. "This is X speaking.. FUCK YOU ALL"

Many people do not read headers carefully and will
assume the Impersonator or Forger IS the original.

This is simply dishonest slander by the atheist thugs.

But their admitted goal is to SILENCE their opponent,
by BURYING THEM In ATHEIST GENERATED SHIT.

If a hundred posts appear with YOUR name, no one will
be able to find the one or two from you.

Your rights to free speech will be REMOVED!

If you don't like a poster, or regard them as a spammer, killfile him.
That is LEGITIMATE use of freedom which respects the SAME right
for others!

To pretend to BE them, in order to DISCREDIT them,
is an indication that you FEAR THEIR SUPERIOR REASON.

End of story!

It is the atheist admission of DEFEAT
in the arena of HONEST RATIONAL DISCOURSE.

Howling that others are not rational will not change this fact,
that is merely the disagreement which debate seeks to settle.

FORGERY AND IMPERSONATION, CYBERSTALKING which targets INDIVIDUALS,
NOT IDEAS.. is fascism..

Big Shame Job for all the atheists caught up in it and exposed!

Stand back and watch them screech! B^]


A poster puts HIS views, others can put theirs,
agree disagree, parody, even frame their meaning..
IN YOUR OWN VOICE.. if their text is ambiguous ..
but they cannot FORGE POSTS in the name of others,
changing text attributed to others, AND IMPERSONATE
them, or CYBERSTALK their every posts with SPAM,
that is a disgrace;

# From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <***@thetruth.com>
# Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 01:36:12 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID:
<d161855f-bcec-42c4-aa9d-***@21g2000vbk.googlegroups.com>
# NNTP-Posting-Host: 74.166.29.78

And one of Virgil's sockpuppet IMPERSONATIONS replies with
abuse, slander and lies...

# From: ABCHUNG <***@def.ghi>
# Newsgroups: sci.med.cardiology,alt.christnet.christianlife,
# alt.messianic.yeshua,alt.christnet.theology,alt.atheism,
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# A. B. Chung is really an atheist in drag.

And not a single atheist objects.. they are all too busy
pack hunting the target themselves!!!

Atheists should let let Usenet Monster Unlimited -
http://www.usenetmonster.com ..know that you appreciate their
support of atheist USENET parasites, spammers, impersonators
and forgers, enabling their Cyber-stalking of individual believers.

It is clearly a great aid to Atheist NewSpeak and the goal
of SILENCING your opponents who you cannot defeat in ARGUMENT!

If you can't win by FAIR means, you will win by FOUL!

I will try and make all the Religious NG's in Usenet aware of Usenet
Monsters support for atheist Cyber-stalking .. it will no doubt
impact on their commercial viability! B^]

# American Religious Identification Survey, Summary Report March 2009:
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# "Self-identification of U.S. Adult Population by Religious Tradition
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# 2001 2008
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# Religious 167,254,000 (80%) 182,198,000 (80%)
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# Agnostics 991,000 (0.5%) 1,985,000 (0.9%)
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# Atheists 902,000 (0.4%) 1,621,000 (0.7%)
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#

Do the math, Usenet Monsters!! B^]


You cannot allow self confessed Cyberstalkers who aim
to STOP OTHERS FROM EXERCISING their universal rights
to Freedom of belief and Freedom of Speech!!!
--
Atheists try to shut down rational debate any
way they can..historically this has included
religious persecution, forced indoctrination,
especially of children, torture, terror, the slaughter
of over 40,000,000 people in the Atheist holocausts of
the 20th century, and, when they have no power, as now,
by sophistry, slander, pogrom and pack-hunt, hypocrisy, lies,
forgery, impersonation and Cyberstalking.

# "The underlying theory of NewSpeak is that if something can't
# be said, then it can't be thought."

# This suits the totalitarian
# regime of the Party, whose aim is to make any alternative
# thinking — "thoughtcrime", or "crimethink" in the newest
# edition of NewSpeak — or speech impossible by removing
# any words or possible constructs which describe the
# ideas of freedom, rebellion and so on."
HONEYpot
2009-05-30 17:46:17 UTC
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HA-HA-HA!

The "bible" in all its oft-edited, translated, and revised versions
and all the other "holy books" are nothing more than totally HUMAN
CONSTRUCTS. Instruments devised by homo sapiens to control people
like us via fear and psychic captivity.

Call 'em myth, fable, fairy tale, hoax, jokes, legend, cultural
anesthesia, social opiates, group fiction -- all of 'em are solely
created and authored by human beings who are physically just like
us.

There is no other "source" of such nonsense -- no god, no "word of
god," no heaven, no spirits, no creator, no divine being(s), no
"afterlife," no supernatural cause(s).

Now calm down, accept reality ... and relax.

You're never going anywhere in any form beyond this planet.
bosola1
2009-06-02 04:41:41 UTC
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Post by HONEYpot
HA-HA-HA!
The "bible" in all its oft-edited, translated, and revised versions
and all the other "holy books" are nothing more than totally HUMAN
CONSTRUCTS.  Instruments devised by homo sapiens to control people
like us via fear and psychic captivity.
Call 'em myth, fable, fairy tale, hoax, jokes, legend, cultural
anesthesia, social opiates, group fiction -- all of 'em are solely
created and authored by human beings who are physically just like
us.
There is no other "source" of such nonsense --  no god, no "word of
god," no heaven, no spirits, no creator, no divine being(s), no
"afterlife," no supernatural cause(s).
Now calm down, accept reality ... and relax.
You're never going anywhere in any form beyond this planet.
"There is no other "source" of such nonsense -- no god, no "word of
god," no heaven, no spirits, no creator, no divine being(s), no
"afterlife," no supernatural cause(s).

Now calm down, accept reality ... and relax.

You're never going anywhere in any form beyond this planet."


If this is your take, that's fine, no one cares. But don't
dictate....you calm down and relax in whatever format is comfy for
you. And let other live their lives in their beliefs...don't ever
dare to tell anyone, anything. Your take is your own....there may be
many who agree with you....but don't ever tell, or dictate to anyone
what is or isn't. Freedom of religion....shut the hell up.
L. Raymond
2009-06-02 04:47:08 UTC
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Post by bosola1
If this is your take, that's fine, no one cares. But don't
dictate....you calm down and relax in whatever format is comfy for
you. And let other live their lives in their beliefs...don't ever
dare to tell anyone, anything.
Breathtaking hypocrisy. You're countering someone's suggestion to relax
with an order that he never, ever presume to tell anyone what to do.
How do you justify that?
--
L. Raymond
bob young
2009-06-05 10:54:02 UTC
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Post by L. Raymond
Post by bosola1
If this is your take, that's fine, no one cares. But don't
dictate....you calm down and relax in whatever format is comfy for
you. And let other live their lives in their beliefs...don't ever
dare to tell anyone, anything.
Breathtaking hypocrisy. You're countering someone's suggestion to relax
with an order that he never, ever presume to tell anyone what to do.
How do you justify that?
Well since the driving force of religions is basically 'fear' the earlier
post caused the other poster to feel deeply concerned and insecure so the
poster turned with the threat you mention . . . * don't ever
dare to tell anyone, anything *.

Transparency - for all to see.
Post by L. Raymond
--
L. Raymond
bob young
2009-06-05 10:50:03 UTC
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Post by bosola1
Post by HONEYpot
HA-HA-HA!
The "bible" in all its oft-edited, translated, and revised versions
and all the other "holy books" are nothing more than totally HUMAN
CONSTRUCTS.  Instruments devised by homo sapiens to control people
like us via fear and psychic captivity.
Call 'em myth, fable, fairy tale, hoax, jokes, legend, cultural
anesthesia, social opiates, group fiction -- all of 'em are solely
created and authored by human beings who are physically just like
us.
There is no other "source" of such nonsense --  no god, no "word of
god," no heaven, no spirits, no creator, no divine being(s), no
"afterlife," no supernatural cause(s).
Now calm down, accept reality ... and relax.
You're never going anywhere in any form beyond this planet.
"There is no other "source" of such nonsense -- no god, no "word of
god," no heaven, no spirits, no creator, no divine being(s), no
"afterlife," no supernatural cause(s).
Now calm down, accept reality ... and relax.
You're never going anywhere in any form beyond this planet."
If this is your take, that's fine, no one cares. But don't
dictate....you calm down and relax in whatever format is comfy for
you. And let other live their lives in their beliefs...don't ever
dare to tell anyone, anything. Your take is your own....there may be
many who agree with you....but don't ever tell, or dictate to anyone
what is or isn't. Freedom of religion....shut the hell up.
You overlook and miss a very important aspect of your 'belief system'.
Do you have the courage and decency ''not' to inculcate your children
with your belief concepts ?

Since they surely love you they will believe what you tell them,
possibly for an entire lifetime. Most likely this is how you got your
belief in the first case.

The problem with religions is they produce hatred for those who are not
'in it' or those who are in 'another belief' Atheism does not suffer
from this problem. We do not hate 'believers' we simply feel sorry for
them.

Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor)

Man creates his gods in his own image;
and then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content

R E L I G I O N - it is all in the mind.
bob young
2009-06-05 10:43:02 UTC
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Post by HONEYpot
HA-HA-HA!
The "bible" in all its oft-edited, translated, and revised versions
and all the other "holy books" are nothing more than totally HUMAN
CONSTRUCTS. Instruments devised by homo sapiens to control people
like us via fear and psychic captivity.
Call 'em myth, fable, fairy tale, hoax, jokes, legend, cultural
anesthesia, social opiates, group fiction -- all of 'em are solely
created and authored by human beings who are physically just like
us.
There is no other "source" of such nonsense -- no god, no "word of
god," no heaven, no spirits, no creator, no divine being(s), no
"afterlife," no supernatural cause(s).
Now calm down, accept reality ... and relax.
You're never going anywhere in any form beyond this planet. . . .
. . . . fastnerd will be terrified at that !
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