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build
2018-07-11 21:18:58 UTC
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace Brendon Hartley at Torro Rosso.
t***@gmail.com
2018-07-11 21:24:21 UTC
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace Brendon Hartley at Torro Rosso.
Ya, real sad, boo fucking hoo.
DumbedDownUSA
2018-07-12 05:38:57 UTC
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace Brendon Hartley at Torro Rosso.
There is no "will" until he qualifies for a superlicence.

For anyone who knows of two or more people called Dan,

Dan Tiktum

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137238/ticktum-in-frame-to-replace-hartley-for-2019
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If I am not the real DDUSA I must be the overweight attention seeking
loser sitting on my mothers couch in underpants I haven't changed in a
week.
Trump averages eight falsehoods a day; how you doin'?
build
2018-07-12 12:45:43 UTC
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace Brendon Hartley at Torro Rosso.
There is no "will" until he qualifies for a superlicence.
For anyone who knows of two or more people called Dan,
Dan Tiktum
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137238/ticktum-in-frame-to-replace-hartley-for-2019
Awww, ya spoiled my fun :-)

It's also only a rumour which I hope is wrong. I'll be disappointed if the Kiwi does not get a full swipe at F1. F1 is a bloody tough sport.

Rumours don't worry about details. But he'd almost certainly get the license.

beers,
build
DumbedDownUSA
2018-07-12 13:30:09 UTC
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace Brendon
Hartley at Torro Rosso.
There is no "will" until he qualifies for a superlicence.
For anyone who knows of two or more people called Dan,
Dan Tiktum
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137238/ticktum-in-frame-to-replace-hartley-for-2019
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Awww, ya spoiled my fun :-)
It's also only a rumour which I hope is wrong. I'll be disappointed
if the Kiwi does not get a full swipe at F1. F1 is a bloody tough
sport.
Rumours don't worry about details. But he'd almost certainly get the license.
How?
--
If I am not the real DDUSA I must be the overweight attention seeking
loser sitting on my mothers couch in underpants I haven't changed in a
week.
Trump averages eight falsehoods a day; how you doin'?
build
2018-09-25 02:53:13 UTC
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace Brendon
Hartley at Torro Rosso.
There is no "will" until he qualifies for a superlicence.
For anyone who knows of two or more people called Dan,
Dan Tiktum
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137238/ticktum-in-frame-to-replace-hartley-for-2019
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Awww, ya spoiled my fun :-)
It's also only a rumour which I hope is wrong. I'll be disappointed
if the Kiwi does not get a full swipe at F1. F1 is a bloody tough
sport.
Rumours don't worry about details. But he'd almost certainly get the license.
How?
The answer has now be reported in the media. Took them 3 months to catch up.
DumbedDownUSA
2018-09-25 10:57:00 UTC
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace Brendon
Hartley at Torro Rosso.
There is no "will" until he qualifies for a superlicence.
For anyone who knows of two or more people called Dan,
Dan Tiktum
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137238/ticktum-in-frame-to-replace-hartley-for-2019
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Awww, ya spoiled my fun :-)
It's also only a rumour which I hope is wrong. I'll be
disappointed if the Kiwi does not get a full swipe at F1. F1 is a
bloody tough sport.
Rumours don't worry about details. But he'd almost certainly get the license.
How?
The answer has now be reported in the media. Took them 3 months to catch up.
They had you guessing for 3 months? Sad!
--
"We have helped to create a situation that has allowed us to end up
with Trump. The dumbing down of our society through the media, the lack
of education through poor schools, allows for a dumbed-down electorate,
and for him to be able to actually get 63 million votes."
t***@gmail.com
2018-09-26 22:33:09 UTC
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They had you guessing for 3 months? Sad!
You loser, leg humping, piece of shit.
DumbedDownUSA
2018-09-25 11:00:56 UTC
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace Brendon
Hartley at Torro Rosso.
There is no "will" until he qualifies for a superlicence.
For anyone who knows of two or more people called Dan,
Dan Tiktum
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137238/ticktum-in-frame-to-replace-hartley-for-2019
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Awww, ya spoiled my fun :-)
It's also only a rumour which I hope is wrong. I'll be
disappointed if the Kiwi does not get a full swipe at F1. F1 is a
bloody tough sport.
Rumours don't worry about details. But he'd almost certainly get the license.
How?
The answer has now be reported in the media. Took them 3 months to catch up.
So what is the answer you claim to have been reported or do you still
not know?
--
"We have helped to create a situation that has allowed us to end up
with Trump. The dumbing down of our society through the media, the lack
of education through poor schools, allows for a dumbed-down electorate,
and for him to be able to actually get 63 million votes."
build
2018-11-21 01:11:12 UTC
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace Brendon
Hartley at Torro Rosso.
There is no "will" until he qualifies for a superlicence.
For anyone who knows of two or more people called Dan,
Dan Tiktum
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137238/ticktum-in-frame-to-replace-hartley-for-2019
Post by build
Awww, ya spoiled my fun :-)
It's also only a rumour which I hope is wrong. I'll be disappointed
if the Kiwi does not get a full swipe at F1. F1 is a bloody tough
sport.
Rumours don't worry about details. But he'd almost certainly get the license.
How?
--
I'm an overweight attention seeking loser
sitting on my mothers couch in underpants
I haven't changed in a week.
Another 5 points. Now he'll be off to Aotearoa

The HellMutt Marco usually gets his own way.
DumbedDownUSA
2018-11-21 06:23:00 UTC
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace Brendon
Hartley at Torro Rosso.
There is no "will" until he qualifies for a superlicence.
For anyone who knows of two or more people called Dan,
Dan Tiktum
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137238/ticktum-in-frame-to-replace-hartley-for-2019
Post by build
Post by build
Awww, ya spoiled my fun :-)
It's also only a rumour which I hope is wrong. I'll be
disappointed if the Kiwi does not get a full swipe at F1. F1 is a
bloody tough sport.
Rumours don't worry about details. But he'd almost certainly get the license.
How?
Another 5 points. Now he'll be off to Aotearoa
The HellMutt Marco usually gets his own way.
LOL, you aren't still claiming he "will replace Brendon Hartley" are
you?

I heard he was off to Super Formula for next season... following in
Vandoorne's footsteps. Not too literally I hope.
--
"We have helped to create a situation that has allowed us to end up
with Trump. The dumbing down of our society through the media, the lack
of education through poor schools, allows for a dumbed-down electorate,
and for him to be able to actually get 63 million votes."
build
2018-11-21 07:27:15 UTC
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace Brendon
Hartley at Torro Rosso.
There is no "will" until he qualifies for a superlicence.
For anyone who knows of two or more people called Dan,
Dan Tiktum
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137238/ticktum-in-frame-to-replace-hartley-for-2019
Post by build
Post by build
Awww, ya spoiled my fun :-)
It's also only a rumour which I hope is wrong. I'll be
disappointed if the Kiwi does not get a full swipe at F1. F1 is a
bloody tough sport.
Rumours don't worry about details. But he'd almost certainly get the license.
How?
Another 5 points. Now he'll be off to Aotearoa
The HellMutt Marco usually gets his own way.
LOL, you aren't still claiming he "will replace Brendon Hartley" are
you?
To use your level of language. Liar, I have never claimed that.
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I heard he was off to Super Formula for next season... following in
Vandoorne's footsteps. Not too literally I hope.
DumbedDownUSA
2018-11-21 10:48:12 UTC
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace
Brendon Hartley at Torro Rosso.
There is no "will" until he qualifies for a superlicence.
For anyone who knows of two or more people called Dan,
Dan Tiktum
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137238/ticktum-in-frame-to-replace-hartley-for-2019
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Awww, ya spoiled my fun :-)
It's also only a rumour which I hope is wrong. I'll be
disappointed if the Kiwi does not get a full swipe at F1. F1
is a bloody tough sport.
Rumours don't worry about details. But he'd almost certainly
get the license.
How?
Another 5 points. Now he'll be off to Aotearoa
The HellMutt Marco usually gets his own way.
LOL, you aren't still claiming he "will replace Brendon Hartley" are
you?
To use your level of language. Liar, I have never claimed that.
The topic suggests otherwise...

...and if you were to use my "level of language" there would be a
semi-colon, not a full stop, half way through your sentence.

:)
--
"We have helped to create a situation that has allowed us to end up
with Trump. The dumbing down of our society through the media, the lack
of education through poor schools, allows for a dumbed-down electorate,
and for him to be able to actually get 63 million votes."
build
2018-11-21 11:11:44 UTC
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace
Brendon Hartley at Torro Rosso.
There is no "will" until he qualifies for a superlicence.
For anyone who knows of two or more people called Dan,
Dan Tiktum
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137238/ticktum-in-frame-to-replace-hartley-for-2019
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Awww, ya spoiled my fun :-)
It's also only a rumour which I hope is wrong. I'll be
disappointed if the Kiwi does not get a full swipe at F1. F1
is a bloody tough sport.
Rumours don't worry about details. But he'd almost certainly
get the license.
How?
Another 5 points. Now he'll be off to Aotearoa
The HellMutt Marco usually gets his own way.
LOL, you aren't still claiming he "will replace Brendon Hartley" are
you?
To use your level of language. Liar, I have never claimed that.
The topic suggests otherwise...
So you admit lying. Good.
Post by DumbedDownUSA
...and if you were to use my "level of language" there would be a
semi-colon, not a full stop, half way through your sentence.
:)
DumbedDownUSA
2018-11-21 11:17:31 UTC
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On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 5:23:02 PM UTC+11,
Post by DumbedDownUSA
On Thursday, July 12, 2018 at 11:30:10 PM UTC+10,
On Thursday, July 12, 2018 at 3:38:58 PM UTC+10,
Post by DumbedDownUSA
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace
Brendon Hartley at Torro Rosso.
There is no "will" until he qualifies for a
superlicence.
For anyone who knows of two or more people called Dan,
Dan Tiktum
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137238/ticktum-in-frame-to-replace-hartley-for-2019
Post by build
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Awww, ya spoiled my fun :-)
It's also only a rumour which I hope is wrong. I'll be
disappointed if the Kiwi does not get a full swipe at F1.
F1 is a bloody tough sport.
Rumours don't worry about details. But he'd almost
certainly get the license.
How?
Another 5 points. Now he'll be off to Aotearoa
The HellMutt Marco usually gets his own way.
LOL, you aren't still claiming he "will replace Brendon
Hartley" are you?
To use your level of language. Liar, I have never claimed that.
The topic suggests otherwise...
So you admit lying. Good.
You really play the dumb arse well; born to it.
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...and if you were to use my "level of language" there would be a
semi-colon, not a full stop, half way through your sentence.
:)
--
"We have helped to create a situation that has allowed us to end up
with Trump. The dumbing down of our society through the media, the lack
of education through poor schools, allows for a dumbed-down electorate,
and for him to be able to actually get 63 million votes."
geoff
2018-09-25 11:04:07 UTC
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace Brendon Hartley at Torro Rosso.
There is no "will" until he qualifies for a superlicence.
For anyone who knows of two or more people called Dan,
Dan Tiktum
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137238/ticktum-in-frame-to-replace-hartley-for-2019
Awww, ya spoiled my fun :-)
It's also only a rumour which I hope is wrong. I'll be disappointed if the Kiwi does not get a full swipe at F1. F1 is a bloody tough sport.
Rumours don't worry about details. But he'd almost certainly get the license.
beers,
build
Sad if true, and if he doesn't get another ride.

Apart from GAS possibly being better at this point, he never had quite
the bad mechanical luck that HAR has had. Not to mention the crap car....

geoff
Sir Tim
2018-09-25 18:58:32 UTC
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace Brendon Hartley at Torro Rosso.
There is no "will" until he qualifies for a superlicence.
For anyone who knows of two or more people called Dan,
Dan Tiktum
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137238/ticktum-in-frame-to-replace-hartley-for-2019
Awww, ya spoiled my fun :-)
It's also only a rumour which I hope is wrong. I'll be disappointed if
the Kiwi does not get a full swipe at F1. F1 is a bloody tough sport.
Rumours don't worry about details. But he'd almost certainly get the license.
beers,
build
Sad if true, and if he doesn't get another ride.
Apart from GAS possibly being better at this point, he never had quite
the bad mechanical luck that HAR has had. Not to mention the crap car....
I could never understand the logic of hiring him in the first place. Nice
chap but ...
--
Sir Tim
geoff
2018-09-25 20:54:18 UTC
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace Brendon Hartley
at Torro Rosso.
There is no "will" until he qualifies for a superlicence.
For anyone who knows of two or more people called Dan,
Dan Tiktum
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137238/ticktum-in-frame-to-replace-hartley-for-2019
Awww, ya spoiled my fun :-)
It's also only a rumour which I hope is wrong. I'll be disappointed if
the Kiwi does not get a full swipe at F1. F1 is a bloody tough sport.
Rumours don't worry about details. But he'd almost certainly get the license.
beers,
build
Sad if true, and if he doesn't get another ride.
Apart from GAS possibly being better at this point, he never had quite
the bad mechanical luck that HAR has had. Not to mention the crap car....
I could never understand the logic of hiring him in the first place. Nice
chap but ...
And what would the logic have been to not hire him ?

geoff
~misfit~
2018-09-26 00:51:07 UTC
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace Brendon
Hartley at Torro Rosso.
There is no "will" until he qualifies for a superlicence.
For anyone who knows of two or more people called Dan,
Dan Tiktum
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137238/ticktum-in-frame-to-replace-hartley-for-2019
Awww, ya spoiled my fun :-)
It's also only a rumour which I hope is wrong. I'll be disappointed if
the Kiwi does not get a full swipe at F1. F1 is a bloody tough sport.
Rumours don't worry about details. But he'd almost certainly get the license.
beers,
build
Sad if true, and if he doesn't get another ride.
Apart from GAS possibly being better at this point, he never had
quite the bad mechanical luck that HAR has had. Not to mention the
crap car....
I could never understand the logic of hiring him in the first place.
Nice chap but ...
Really? He's a known quantity, was in the RBR fold and is legendary for his
mechanical sympathy and communication skills with mechanics. Not to mention
being a 2 x WDC in WEC.and a Le Mans winner. Toro Rosso have made no secret
that this year was largely about evaluating and improving the Honda PU ready
for the main team using it next year. They have said they'd rather take
extra PUs and penalties this year to speed up the development cycle at Honda
than have RBR take the pain next year. Hartleys background in endurance
racing makes him ideal for this role.

It eventuated that Gasly wasn't so good at giving useful feedback to the
team so they basically ended up giving him the optimum set up and best
chance to race at each Grand Prix. Hartley however with his excellent
communication with the team was used more as an in-season test driver. He's
taken more penalties (and parts) than Gasly to evaluate them. Not only will
this hugely benefit RBR next year but Gasly has also had his 2018 results
(and hence his career) improved by the work that Hartley hs been doing.

Essentially Hartley hasn't been able to just get in the car with an optimal
set up and race for immediate results as Gasly has been allowed to do.
However he is quite capable of a lot better results than he's been getting
if he were just there to race. I'm not saying he's F1 WDC material and
possibly one of the greats, just that his 2018 results need to be considered
in light of his primary job with STR / Honda.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
Sir Tim
2018-09-26 07:05:09 UTC
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace Brendon
Hartley at Torro Rosso.
There is no "will" until he qualifies for a superlicence.
For anyone who knows of two or more people called Dan,
Dan Tiktum
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137238/ticktum-in-frame-to-replace-hartley-for-2019
Awww, ya spoiled my fun :-)
It's also only a rumour which I hope is wrong. I'll be disappointed if
the Kiwi does not get a full swipe at F1. F1 is a bloody tough sport.
Rumours don't worry about details. But he'd almost certainly get the license.
beers,
build
Sad if true, and if he doesn't get another ride.
Apart from GAS possibly being better at this point, he never had
quite the bad mechanical luck that HAR has had. Not to mention the
crap car....
I could never understand the logic of hiring him in the first place.
Nice chap but ...
Really? He's a known quantity, was in the RBR fold and is legendary for his
mechanical sympathy and communication skills with mechanics. Not to mention
being a 2 x WDC in WEC.and a Le Mans winner. Toro Rosso have made no secret
that this year was largely about evaluating and improving the Honda PU ready
for the main team using it next year. They have said they'd rather take
extra PUs and penalties this year to speed up the development cycle at Honda
than have RBR take the pain next year. Hartleys background in endurance
racing makes him ideal for this role.
It eventuated that Gasly wasn't so good at giving useful feedback to the
team so they basically ended up giving him the optimum set up and best
chance to race at each Grand Prix. Hartley however with his excellent
communication with the team was used more as an in-season test driver. He's
taken more penalties (and parts) than Gasly to evaluate them. Not only will
this hugely benefit RBR next year but Gasly has also had his 2018 results
(and hence his career) improved by the work that Hartley hs been doing.
Essentially Hartley hasn't been able to just get in the car with an optimal
set up and race for immediate results as Gasly has been allowed to do.
However he is quite capable of a lot better results than he's been getting
if he were just there to race. I'm not saying he's F1 WDC material and
possibly one of the greats, just that his 2018 results need to be considered
in light of his primary job with STR / Honda.
Interesting comments. Thanks.
--
Sir Tim
~misfit~
2018-09-26 11:44:35 UTC
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace Brendon
Hartley at Torro Rosso.
There is no "will" until he qualifies for a superlicence.
For anyone who knows of two or more people called Dan,
Dan Tiktum
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137238/ticktum-in-frame-to-replace-hartley-for-2019
Awww, ya spoiled my fun :-)
It's also only a rumour which I hope is wrong. I'll be
disappointed if
the Kiwi does not get a full swipe at F1. F1 is a bloody tough sport.
Rumours don't worry about details. But he'd almost certainly get the license.
beers,
build
Sad if true, and if he doesn't get another ride.
Apart from GAS possibly being better at this point, he never had
quite the bad mechanical luck that HAR has had. Not to mention the
crap car....
I could never understand the logic of hiring him in the first place.
Nice chap but ...
Really? He's a known quantity, was in the RBR fold and is legendary
for his mechanical sympathy and communication skills with mechanics.
Not to mention being a 2 x WDC in WEC.and a Le Mans winner. Toro
Rosso have made no secret that this year was largely about
evaluating and improving the Honda PU ready for the main team using
it next year. They have said they'd rather take extra PUs and
penalties this year to speed up the development cycle at Honda than
have RBR take the pain next year. Hartleys background in endurance
racing makes him ideal for this role.
It eventuated that Gasly wasn't so good at giving useful feedback to
the team so they basically ended up giving him the optimum set up
and best chance to race at each Grand Prix. Hartley however with his
excellent communication with the team was used more as an in-season
test driver. He's taken more penalties (and parts) than Gasly to
evaluate them. Not only will this hugely benefit RBR next year but
Gasly has also had his 2018 results (and hence his career) improved
by the work that Hartley hs been doing.
Essentially Hartley hasn't been able to just get in the car with an
optimal set up and race for immediate results as Gasly has been
allowed to do. However he is quite capable of a lot better results
than he's been getting if he were just there to race. I'm not saying
he's F1 WDC material and possibly one of the greats, just that his
2018 results need to be considered in light of his primary job with
STR / Honda.
Interesting comments. Thanks.
You're welcome. A lot of people don't realise that Hartley was employed to
do a job - and that job wasn't gathering points for STR. I'd love to see him
rewarded with a chance to just race the car for a season but I think it's
unlikely to happen. I guess the money and the fact that he can say he drove
in F1 will have to satisfy him.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
D Munz
2018-09-26 12:09:50 UTC
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace Brendon
Hartley at Torro Rosso.
There is no "will" until he qualifies for a superlicence.
For anyone who knows of two or more people called Dan,
Dan Tiktum
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137238/ticktum-in-frame-to-replace-hartley-for-2019
Awww, ya spoiled my fun :-)
It's also only a rumour which I hope is wrong. I'll be
disappointed if
the Kiwi does not get a full swipe at F1. F1 is a bloody tough sport.
Rumours don't worry about details. But he'd almost certainly get the license.
beers,
build
Sad if true, and if he doesn't get another ride.
Apart from GAS possibly being better at this point, he never had
quite the bad mechanical luck that HAR has had. Not to mention the
crap car....
I could never understand the logic of hiring him in the first place.
Nice chap but ...
Really? He's a known quantity, was in the RBR fold and is legendary
for his mechanical sympathy and communication skills with mechanics.
Not to mention being a 2 x WDC in WEC.and a Le Mans winner. Toro
Rosso have made no secret that this year was largely about
evaluating and improving the Honda PU ready for the main team using
it next year. They have said they'd rather take extra PUs and
penalties this year to speed up the development cycle at Honda than
have RBR take the pain next year. Hartleys background in endurance
racing makes him ideal for this role.
It eventuated that Gasly wasn't so good at giving useful feedback to
the team so they basically ended up giving him the optimum set up
and best chance to race at each Grand Prix. Hartley however with his
excellent communication with the team was used more as an in-season
test driver. He's taken more penalties (and parts) than Gasly to
evaluate them. Not only will this hugely benefit RBR next year but
Gasly has also had his 2018 results (and hence his career) improved
by the work that Hartley hs been doing.
Essentially Hartley hasn't been able to just get in the car with an
optimal set up and race for immediate results as Gasly has been
allowed to do. However he is quite capable of a lot better results
than he's been getting if he were just there to race. I'm not saying
he's F1 WDC material and possibly one of the greats, just that his
2018 results need to be considered in light of his primary job with
STR / Honda.
Interesting comments. Thanks.
You're welcome. A lot of people don't realise that Hartley was employed to
do a job - and that job wasn't gathering points for STR. I'd love to see him
rewarded with a chance to just race the car for a season but I think it's
unlikely to happen. I guess the money and the fact that he can say he drove
in F1 will have to satisfy him.
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
I've always liked him an appreciate your input on his role. It would be interesting to see if RBR keeps their hooks in him for all the reasons you listed but at the senior team level.

FWIW
DLM
~misfit~
2018-09-27 12:33:41 UTC
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace Brendon
Hartley at Torro Rosso.
There is no "will" until he qualifies for a superlicence.
For anyone who knows of two or more people called Dan,
Dan Tiktum
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137238/ticktum-in-frame-to-replace-hartley-for-2019
Awww, ya spoiled my fun :-)
It's also only a rumour which I hope is wrong. I'll be
disappointed if
the Kiwi does not get a full swipe at F1. F1 is a bloody tough sport.
Rumours don't worry about details. But he'd almost certainly get the license.
beers,
build
Sad if true, and if he doesn't get another ride.
Apart from GAS possibly being better at this point, he never had
quite the bad mechanical luck that HAR has had. Not to mention
the crap car....
I could never understand the logic of hiring him in the first
place. Nice chap but ...
Really? He's a known quantity, was in the RBR fold and is legendary
for his mechanical sympathy and communication skills with
mechanics. Not to mention being a 2 x WDC in WEC.and a Le Mans
winner. Toro Rosso have made no secret that this year was largely
about evaluating and improving the Honda PU ready for the main
team using it next year. They have said they'd rather take extra
PUs and penalties this year to speed up the development cycle at
Honda than have RBR take the pain next year. Hartleys background
in endurance racing makes him ideal for this role.
It eventuated that Gasly wasn't so good at giving useful feedback
to the team so they basically ended up giving him the optimum set
up and best chance to race at each Grand Prix. Hartley however
with his excellent communication with the team was used more as an
in-season test driver. He's taken more penalties (and parts) than
Gasly to evaluate them. Not only will this hugely benefit RBR next
year but Gasly has also had his 2018 results (and hence his
career) improved by the work that Hartley hs been doing.
Essentially Hartley hasn't been able to just get in the car with an
optimal set up and race for immediate results as Gasly has been
allowed to do. However he is quite capable of a lot better results
than he's been getting if he were just there to race. I'm not
saying he's F1 WDC material and possibly one of the greats, just
that his 2018 results need to be considered in light of his
primary job with STR / Honda.
Interesting comments. Thanks.
You're welcome. A lot of people don't realise that Hartley was
employed to do a job - and that job wasn't gathering points for STR.
I'd love to see him rewarded with a chance to just race the car for
a season but I think it's unlikely to happen. I guess the money and
the fact that he can say he drove in F1 will have to satisfy him.
--
Shaun.
I've always liked him an appreciate your input on his role.
Cheers.
Post by D Munz
It would
be interesting to see if RBR keeps their hooks in him for all the
reasons you listed but at the senior team level.
I doubt he'll ever end up in the senior team, his temperament is more suited
to endurance racing rather than Formula 1. By that I mean he's more of a
team player and less of a ... self centred person than a driver needs to be
to race for the Red Bull A team.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
D Munz
2018-09-28 12:21:41 UTC
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I doubt he'll ever end up in the senior team, his temperament is more suited
to endurance racing rather than Formula 1. By that I mean he's more of a
team player and less of a ... self centred person than a driver needs to be
to race for the Red Bull A team.
--
Shaun.
Agreed, I wasn't thinking of a race seat at RBR. More the development/test driver role. Would they have him and would he take the job even if only to stay visible to the rest of the circus?

FWIW
DLM
~misfit~
2018-09-28 23:59:07 UTC
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I doubt he'll ever end up in the senior team, his temperament is
more suited to endurance racing rather than Formula 1. By that I
mean he's more of a team player and less of a ... self centred
person than a driver needs to be to race for the Red Bull A team.
--
Shaun.
Agreed, I wasn't thinking of a race seat at RBR. More the
development/test driver role. Would they have him and would he take
the job even if only to stay visible to the rest of the circus?
FWIW
DLM
Ok. It's hard to know his motivation. I know a bit about because I'm in New
Zealand and the media here sometimes carry stories and interviews but I
don't know him personally. ;)

That said I think he'd rather race than take a testing-only role. He's still
in his 20s, maybe a bit too young to give up on the dream. Before Marko
asked him to drive for STR he had a seat in Indycars lined up for 2018 and
I'd expect that going to that series might still be an option. With the
attrition that often happens in Indycars (and some longer races) I'd think
that his endurance car experience would be better suited there than in F1.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
t***@gmail.com
2018-09-29 00:10:25 UTC
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I'm in New Zealand
Yes. Are all people there fucking idiots?
t***@gmail.com
2018-09-29 00:13:46 UTC
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I'm in New Zealand
What percentage of the population there
pirate F1 tv coverage?
t***@gmail.com
2018-09-29 00:16:45 UTC
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I'm in New Zealand
Is everyone there in a sad, pathetic state,
like you?
t***@gmail.com
2018-09-29 00:21:36 UTC
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I'm in New Zealand
You are not doing NZ tourism any favors.
Sounds like doom and gloom there.
Or maybe it's just you.
A fucking, crying loser.
t***@gmail.com
2018-09-29 00:23:48 UTC
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I'm in New Zealand
Sheep fucking capital of the world.
They have to proud of something.
t***@gmail.com
2018-09-29 00:34:26 UTC
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I'd expect that going to that series might still be an option. With the
attrition that often happens in Indycars (and some longer races) I'd think
that his endurance car experience would be better suited there than in F1.
He is slow.
You are slower.
~misfit~
2018-07-12 22:37:59 UTC
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace Brendon Hartley at Torro Rosso.
There is no "will" until he qualifies for a superlicence.
For anyone who knows of two or more people called Dan,
Dan Tiktum
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137238/ticktum-in-frame-to-replace-hartley-for-2019
It's be good to see Tiktum out of Marcus Armstrongs way. So far this year
he's taken Marcus out of 3 races. That said I'd like to see Brendon get a
fair shake of the stick. It seems Toro Rosso is using him as a sort of
in-season tester - likely due to his age and endurance car background.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
larkim
2018-07-13 08:18:05 UTC
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Post by DumbedDownUSA
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace Brendon Hartley at Torro Rosso.
There is no "will" until he qualifies for a superlicence.
For anyone who knows of two or more people called Dan,
Dan Tiktum
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137238/ticktum-in-frame-to-replace-hartley-for-2019
It's be good to see Tiktum out of Marcus Armstrongs way. So far this year
he's taken Marcus out of 3 races. That said I'd like to see Brendon get a
fair shake of the stick. It seems Toro Rosso is using him as a sort of
in-season tester - likely due to his age and endurance car background.
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
Given how experienced he is, I've not really seen any flashes of brilliance
by Hartley. He's had bucket loads of bad luck of course, but he really
isn't setting the world alight - a shame as he seems a nice guy, but he's
not showing that he's an overlooked talent finally getting his chance.
~misfit~
2018-07-13 11:37:34 UTC
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Post by DumbedDownUSA
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace Brendon Hartley at Torro Rosso.
There is no "will" until he qualifies for a superlicence.
For anyone who knows of two or more people called Dan,
Dan Tiktum
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137238/ticktum-in-frame-to-replace-hartley-for-2019
It's be good to see Tiktum out of Marcus Armstrongs way. So far this
year he's taken Marcus out of 3 races. That said I'd like to see
Brendon get a fair shake of the stick. It seems Toro Rosso is using
him as a sort of in-season tester - likely due to his age and
endurance car background. --
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief
has a cozy little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
Given how experienced he is, I've not really seen any flashes of
brilliance by Hartley. He's had bucket loads of bad luck of course,
but he really isn't setting the world alight - a shame as he seems a
nice guy, but he's not showing that he's an overlooked talent finally
getting his chance.
I don't think he's a *great* driver either - rather a very good one who's
spent a long time endurance racing and is having trouble shaking the 'don't
take any risks' philisophy that goes with that type of racing. Coupled with
a chunk of bad luck.

He actually used to be quite Verstappen-esque and it took quite a few years
for him to stop trying to win on the first lap.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
Willsy
2018-07-13 12:16:15 UTC
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Post by DumbedDownUSA
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace Brendon Hartley at Torro Rosso.
There is no "will" until he qualifies for a superlicence.
For anyone who knows of two or more people called Dan,
Dan Tiktum
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137238/ticktum-in-frame-to-replace-hartley-for-2019
It's be good to see Tiktum out of Marcus Armstrongs way. So far this year
he's taken Marcus out of 3 races. That said I'd like to see Brendon get a
fair shake of the stick. It seems Toro Rosso is using him as a sort of
in-season tester - likely due to his age and endurance car background.
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
Kvyat was a much better driver than Hartley.
~misfit~
2018-07-13 23:44:01 UTC
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Post by DumbedDownUSA
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace Brendon Hartley at Torro Rosso.
There is no "will" until he qualifies for a superlicence.
For anyone who knows of two or more people called Dan,
Dan Tiktum
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137238/ticktum-in-frame-to-replace-hartley-for-2019
It's be good to see Tiktum out of Marcus Armstrongs way. So far this
year he's taken Marcus out of 3 races. That said I'd like to see
Brendon get a fair shake of the stick. It seems Toro Rosso is using
him as a sort of in-season tester - likely due to his age and
endurance car background. --
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief
has a cozy little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
Kvyat was a much better driver than Hartley.
Really? I didn't know Kvyat had acieved (much) more than a win at Le mans
and 2 x WEC champion.

You see how pointless short statements like that are?
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
t***@gmail.com
2018-07-14 00:45:24 UTC
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You see how pointless short statements like that are?
Fuck you.
Willsy
2018-07-16 09:07:08 UTC
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Sadly there is a rumour around that Dan will replace Brendon
Hartley at Torro Rosso.
There is no "will" until he qualifies for a superlicence.
For anyone who knows of two or more people called Dan,
Dan Tiktum
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137238/ticktum-in-frame-to-replace-hartley-for-2019
It's be good to see Tiktum out of Marcus Armstrongs way. So far this
year he's taken Marcus out of 3 races. That said I'd like to see
Brendon get a fair shake of the stick. It seems Toro Rosso is using
him as a sort of in-season tester - likely due to his age and
endurance car background. --
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief
has a cozy little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
Kvyat was a much better driver than Hartley.
Really? I didn't know Kvyat had acieved (much) more than a win at Le mans
and 2 x WEC champion.
You see how pointless short statements like that are?
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
Kvyat is a much better F1 driver than Hartley.
geoff
2018-07-16 09:23:26 UTC
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(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)
Kvyat is a much better F1 driver than Hartley.
Surely we've hardly had a chance to evaluate that yet.

geoff
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2018-07-16 14:48:29 UTC
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Surely we've hardly had a chance to evaluate that yet.
Speak for yourself.
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