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For Pacifist(was-British condoned(encouraged?) muslims killing hindus in 1946)
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Romanise
2005-08-18 07:16:15 UTC
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No Pakistani dared come back on this. British are still dazed pondering
what promise of heaven and hoories can accomplish.
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"A typical pamphlet, circulated after the Muslim League
announced a 'Direct Action Day' on 16 August 1946, said, 'The
Bombay resolution of the All-India Muslim League has been broadcast.
The call to revolt comes to us from a nation of heroes ...The day for
an open fight which is the greatest desire of the Muslim nation has
arrived. Come, those who want to rise to heaven. Come, those who are
simple, wanting in peace of mind and who are in distress. Those who are
thieves, goondas (thugs), those without the strength of character and
those who do not say their prayers - all come. The shining gates of
Heaven have been opened for you. Let us enter in thousands."


What did british think of this call?


We have learnt that "British intelligence was given "clear orders" to
assassinate him[Subhash Chandra Bose] in 1941".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4152320.stm


Despite above call from Muslim League under stewardship of Jinnah and
6000 getting killed Jinnah was not held responsible. (6000 figures are
only from Calcutta. I was 8 at the time, and everyone working in
Ahmedabad from my village never returned to ahmedabad in their life
time.)


In fact Churchill encouraged Jinnah on the bloody genocidal path.
http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/13946.html
http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=75870
SIRKNIGHT67_shits_on_mo-ham-MAD
2005-08-18 09:06:32 UTC
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You are wasting your time. he will cut all the parts where you
addressed him, omit to copy the facts, links, statements, and then
insult you in some smart ass way, declaring "victory" to entertain his
demented, twisted, ill mind.
Romanise
2005-08-18 11:01:05 UTC
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Post by SIRKNIGHT67_shits_on_mo-ham-MAD
You are wasting your time. he will cut all the parts where you
addressed him, omit to copy the facts, links, statements, and then
insult you in some smart ass way, declaring "victory" to entertain his
demented, twisted, ill mind.
He certainly is a muslim who is reluctant to evaluate Jinnah's role in
creating conditions that has laid Islam bare to everybody except lip
servicing bush and blair.
Pacifist
2005-08-18 09:46:16 UTC
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I think the Brits themselves plead guilty to a divide and rule policy
in the old colonies. This is not to say that Jinnah was a British
agent, but that partitioning and weakening India was aligned with the
colonialists' wishes.

What saddends me is that India herself is moving from a budding secular
democracy to religious and communal politics. At the same time, I fear
that Pakistan might face a military takeover by Taliban-style generals.
Those who fan the flames of racial and communal hatred should know
that they are making the world a more dangerous place for all,
including their own community.

BTW, I don't understand the connection between the alleged
assassination of Bose by the British, with Jinnah.
What do you mean?

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Romanise
2005-08-18 10:41:53 UTC
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Post by Pacifist
I think the Brits themselves plead guilty to a divide and rule policy
in the old colonies.
Has any British government apologised to the victims?
I suppose you have nothing to say about 'Direct Action Day', Churchill
being kept informed by Jinnah about killings that took place in 1946,
and british never touching Jinnah while those standing for undivided
India put in jails for giving call for noncoperation with british
government.
Post by Pacifist
This is not to say that Jinnah was a British
agent, but that partitioning and weakening India was aligned with the
colonialists' wishes.
Jinnah aligned with british wishes to partition and weaken India?
Post by Pacifist
What saddends me is that India herself is moving from a budding secular
democracy to religious and communal politics.
So BJP losing last general election does not say anything to you about
Indians?
Post by Pacifist
At the same time, I fear
that Pakistan might face a military takeover by Taliban-style generals.
Those who fan the flames of racial and communal hatred should know
that they are making the world a more dangerous place for all,
including their own community.
BTW, I don't understand the connection between the alleged
assassination of Bose by the British, with Jinnah.
What do you mean?
I hope you have read the links I gave you.
Order to kill Bose was given by Churchill's government, and it was
Churchill and his party that was in league with Jinnah more so than
following labour government.
Jinnah could get away with a call to kill hindus due to the mindset of
officialdom of british government that was dead set against secular
Indian leadership.
Pacifist
2005-08-18 11:15:36 UTC
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If it wasn't an accident and if they indeed eliminated Bose, it was not
because he was secular (after all Nehru was pretty secular too), but
because they thought he might have links to the Germans.
To link Bose's air crash to Jinnah is a bit far-fetched and
undocumented. It only makes sense if you wish to blame evverything on
Muslims and Pakistanis ;-)

I have to say that the unexpected victory of the Congress Party,
gladdened my heart. I don't think a Hindu version of Taliban is in the
interests of either India or the rest of the world. Xenophobia and
religious tolerance is regrettable when perpetrated from any quarter.

And no, I don't believe the Brits woud ever apologise for dividing and
ruling. That was the nature of their empire. How else would a little
country like Britain get to rule a huge country like India? In
fairness to the Brits, they didn't break up India into dozens of
warring little states which they could have easily done and was done
elsewhere. Maybe they wanted to and failed.

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Romanise
2005-08-18 11:52:48 UTC
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Post by Pacifist
If it wasn't an accident and if they indeed eliminated Bose, it was not
because he was secular (after all Nehru was pretty secular too), but
because they thought he might have links to the Germans.
To link Bose's air crash to Jinnah is a bit far-fetched and
undocumented.
You have not read the links I supplied and are going at tendem. Your
purpose I can well understand.
Post by Pacifist
It only makes sense if you wish to blame evverything on
Muslims and Pakistanis ;-)
I have to say that the unexpected victory of the Congress Party,
gladdened my heart. I don't think a Hindu version of Taliban is in the
interests of either India or the rest of the world. Xenophobia and
religious tolerance is regrettable when perpetrated from any quarter.
And no, I don't believe the Brits woud ever apologise for dividing and
ruling. That was the nature of their empire. How else would a little
country like Britain get to rule a huge country like India? In
fairness to the Brits, they didn't break up India into dozens of
warring little states which they could have easily done and was done
elsewhere. Maybe they wanted to and failed.
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Pacifist
2005-08-18 12:33:28 UTC
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Post by Romanise
Post by Pacifist
If it wasn't an accident and if they indeed eliminated Bose, it was not
because he was secular (after all Nehru was pretty secular too), but
because they thought he might have links to the Germans.
To link Bose's air crash to Jinnah is a bit far-fetched and
undocumented.
You have not read the links I supplied and are going at tendem. Your
purpose I can well understand.
had read the BBC link before anyway and I read the link you supplied.
However, the above question is valid one.
(Incidentally, is "tendem" a word, or did you mean "tangent"?)

BTW, Bose is possibly the least-known and most intriguing characters on
the stage at the time.
One wonders what would have happened if he had won the day. But that's
for another day.

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Romanise
2005-08-18 14:13:50 UTC
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Post by Pacifist
Post by Romanise
Post by Pacifist
If it wasn't an accident and if they indeed eliminated Bose, it was not
because he was secular (after all Nehru was pretty secular too), but
because they thought he might have links to the Germans.
To link Bose's air crash to Jinnah is a bit far-fetched and
undocumented.
You have not read the links I supplied and are going at tendem. Your
purpose I can well understand.
had read the BBC link before anyway and I read the link you supplied.
However, the above question is valid one.
(Incidentally, is "tendem" a word, or did you mean "tangent"?)
Yes 'tangent' is the word, thanks.

Question was valid if anyone made connection about the "plane crash"
and Jinnah.

Orders to eliminate Bose were given out 1941.

What is relevant is how differently Bose and Jinnah were treated. Bose
who would have made India more cohesive a country than even Gandhi
could, and where Jinnah's motives and actions would lead India could
not have been undecipherable for british.
British did not side with Jinnah or overlooked the riots of 1946 where
muslims began to kill hindus under Jinnah's orders to help muslims of
the subcontinent.
Educated muslims who remained in India recognised that. The educated
muslims who sided with Jinnah has brought nothing but misery to the
masses of the subcontinent.
Post by Pacifist
BTW, Bose is possibly the least-known and most intriguing characters on
the stage at the time.
One wonders what would have happened if he had won the day. But that's
for another day.
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Pacifist
2005-08-18 14:21:56 UTC
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But surely, the Brits were likely to want to bump off somebody who (in
the middle of the war) sides with Germans and tries to set up a
Guerrilla army to act against the Brits. Jinnah or no Jinnah, the
Brits would look to protect their own position.

Jinnah did not collude with the Germans (neither did Nehru), Bose did.
The Brits (allegedly) bumped off Bse, but not Nehru or Jinnah. End of
story.
Romanise
2005-08-18 14:29:25 UTC
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Post by Pacifist
But surely, the Brits were likely to want to bump off somebody who (in
the middle of the war) sides with Germans and tries to set up a
Guerrilla army to act against the Brits. Jinnah or no Jinnah, the
Brits would look to protect their own position.
Jinnah did not collude with the Germans (neither did Nehru), Bose did.
The Brits (allegedly) bumped off Bse, but not Nehru or Jinnah. End of
story.
Story does not end there. Those agitating for India's independence were
put in Jails. Those who worked for breaking up India and instigating
muslims to kill hindus and so get them killed were not touched.
Pacifist
2005-08-18 14:40:09 UTC
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Of course, foreigners always want to break up those nations they want
to dominate.

At the same time, many minorities want to break away from their
countries as they feel they are not getting a good deal under the
status quo.

The two might (and do) co-operate. Behavioural science calls it "goal
congruence".
The same is happening in the Middle East today with the Kurds. I am
sure it is an oft-repeated scenario world-wide and there's not a darned
thing you and I could do about it.

Politics makes strange bedfellows.
(Come to think of it, Nehru and Lady Mountbatten were strange
bedfellows too, but let's not go there!!).

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Romanise
2005-08-18 15:48:44 UTC
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Post by Pacifist
Of course, foreigners always want to break up those nations they want
to dominate.
At the same time, many minorities want to break away from their
countries as they feel they are not getting a good deal under the
status quo.
The two might (and do) co-operate. Behavioural science calls it "goal
congruence".
The same is happening in the Middle East today with the Kurds. I am
sure it is an oft-repeated scenario world-wide and there's not a darned
thing you and I could do about it.
Politics makes strange bedfellows.
(Come to think of it, Nehru and Lady Mountbatten were strange
bedfellows too, but let's not go there!!).
Can you think of anyone like Jinnah who played game that has proved as
disastrous for his/her own people as Jinnah's game has proved for the
muslims of Indian subcontinent?
Pacifist
2005-08-18 16:09:52 UTC
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I am not familiar enough with the history of India. As I said, as an
outsider, I think it would have been better for India to stay a united,
but diverse nation. However, as an outsider, it is not my ass on the
line. It is not my house and my farm that may be buned down.

What is done is done and will not be reversed. I hope Pakistan and
India take a more mature attutude towards each other. Both have plenty
of wretchedly poor people and the money that goes on the arms race
would be better spent on feeding, housing and educating those people.

You are an old man fighting yesterday's battles. I hope the younger
generation will see sense.

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Romanise
2005-08-18 16:30:28 UTC
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Post by Pacifist
I am not familiar enough with the history of India. As I said, as an
outsider, I think it would have been better for India to stay a united,
but diverse nation. However, as an outsider, it is not my ass on the
line. It is not my house and my farm that may be buned down.
What is done is done and will not be reversed. I hope Pakistan and
India take a more mature attutude towards each other. Both have plenty
of wretchedly poor people and the money that goes on the arms race
would be better spent on feeding, housing and educating those people.
You are an old man fighting yesterday's battles. I hope the younger
generation will see sense.
No yloung person can go beyond where his elders brought him unless he
fully faces the egoes and frivolities that is the cause of miseries in
front and around him.
Pacifist
2005-08-18 17:02:50 UTC
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You underestimate the abilities of the young to transcend the
achievements of their forefathers.
It ill-behoves the old to poision young minds.

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Romanise
2005-08-18 18:01:13 UTC
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Post by Pacifist
You underestimate the abilities of the young to transcend the
achievements of their forefathers.
How did the boys who bombed three underground trains and one double
decker transcend the achievements of their forefathers?
Post by Pacifist
It ill-behoves the old to poision young minds.
Which young minds I could be poisioning by describing how British
condoned(encouraged?) muslims killing hindus in 1946 ?
unknown
2005-08-18 18:59:01 UTC
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Post by Romanise
Post by Pacifist
You underestimate the abilities of the young to transcend the
achievements of their forefathers.
How did the boys who bombed three underground trains and one double
decker transcend the achievements of their forefathers?
Post by Pacifist
It ill-behoves the old to poision young minds.
Which young minds I could be poisioning by describing how British
condoned(encouraged?) muslims killing hindus in 1946 ?
How many got killed and what religion, race they wrere ???
Romanise
2005-08-19 15:22:47 UTC
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Post by unknown
Post by Romanise
Post by Pacifist
You underestimate the abilities of the young to transcend the
achievements of their forefathers.
How did the boys who bombed three underground trains and one double
decker transcend the achievements of their forefathers?
Post by Pacifist
It ill-behoves the old to poision young minds.
Which young minds I could be poisioning by describing how British
condoned(encouraged?) muslims killing hindus in 1946 ?
How many got killed and what religion, race they wrere ???
Just as every muslim's reverence to mohemmed turns him blind, your
reverence to Jinnah has turned you blind.

Jinnah had no compunction in promising heaven to characterless,
thieving, thug muslims in return of doing his dirty work.

Carnage was set in motion from Calcutta and Noakhali. It spread as far
as Rawalpindi and Ahmedabad and continued in West pakistan, East
Pakistan, East Punjab and latter in Nizam's Hyderabad.

Between 600,000 to 1,500,000 people got killed.

I can understand that for you pakis proud of killing millions of your
own and raping tens of thousands of your own in 1971 and attacking you
own by planes in Balochistan, Jinnah was just a kid.

You people have kept up your glorious tradition in Afghanistan, Indian
Punjab, Kashmir and as far as London.
unknown
2005-09-06 14:43:46 UTC
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Post by Romanise
Post by unknown
Post by Romanise
Post by Pacifist
You underestimate the abilities of the young to transcend the
achievements of their forefathers.
How did the boys who bombed three underground trains and one double
decker transcend the achievements of their forefathers?
Post by Pacifist
It ill-behoves the old to poision young minds.
Which young minds I could be poisioning by describing how British
condoned(encouraged?) muslims killing hindus in 1946 ?
How many got killed and what religion, race they wrere ???
Just as every muslim's reverence to mohemmed turns him blind, your
reverence to Jinnah has turned you blind.
Jiannha got us Pakistan wit a vote. That is a great achievement,
history ever showed.
Post by Romanise
Jinnah had no compunction in promising heaven to characterless,
thieving, thug muslims in return of doing his dirty work.
This word thieving has stuck in your putrid rear end for the last
fifteen days. Look like you are suffering from chronic constipation
for quite sometime now. Why the hell you don't post the reference here
from some authentic source. I do not trust you on your face value
because you are as we know nothing but a lying "senile".
Post by Romanise
Carnage was set in motion from Calcutta and Noakhali. It spread as far
as Rawalpindi and Ahmedabad and continued in West pakistan, East
Pakistan, East Punjab and latter in Nizam's Hyderabad.
Between 600,000 to 1,500,000 people got killed.
Reference again with URL , We don't trust you, you are nothing but a
hateful crook Brahmin.
Post by Romanise
I can understand that for you pakis proud of killing millions of your
own and raping tens of thousands of your own in 1971
No most of us never did that. Instead I curse everyday Yayha and
Bhutto for that even on this forum, I did that few times.
Post by Romanise
and attacking you
own by planes in Balochistan,
American attacked and killed it's own in hurricane ravaged area
Louisiana few days back. But you know what , it was justified as even
after this calamity, some of Americans were looting, raping and
killing people. Same was the case in Pakistan, where these Sardars
are doing these dreadful thing to their poor peasants for years.
Why India is killing or killed it's own in Assam, Kashmir, Punjab<
Tamil Nadu and other areas ???
Post by Romanise
Jinnah was just a kid.
But see what he did.
Post by Romanise
You people have kept up your glorious tradition in Afghanistan, Indian
Punjab, Kashmir and as far as London.
Ha ha haa Indian Punjab, if we did what you blame us then why Man
Mohan Singh is begging for apology and for what?? Why Modi is being
spat all over the world?? Why Hindus are still burning low caste
Dalit homes even few days back in Haryana???

It is very easy to blame others but then dare look at you own filthy
face and deeds in the mirror if there still is some shame left in you.
Romanise
2005-09-06 15:31:24 UTC
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Post by unknown
Jiannha got us Pakistan wit a vote. That is a great achievement,
history ever showed.
When did voting took place?
Post by unknown
Post by Romanise
Jinnah had no compunction in promising heaven to characterless,
thieving, thug muslims in return of doing his dirty work.
This word thieving has stuck in your putrid rear end for the last
fifteen days. Look like you are suffering from chronic constipation
for quite sometime now. Why the hell you don't post the reference here
from some authentic source. I do not trust you on your face value
because you are as we know nothing but a lying "senile".
On Aug 24, 8:18 pm, in reply to your
"This M.A.J Akber( favorite of yours ) may be one like Rushdi and I do

not find any justification to spend 50 dollars or pounds for this
fellow. Why don't you post it if you have spent that money or British
libraries never let you make copies even with few pennies?"
of 24 Aug 2005 08:16:27 -0700
I gave you
"It has been posted in full on SCP as thread "INVESTIGATION: The home
of
jihad" by "GWhyte" <***@rogers.com> on Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005
13:33:27 -0400. Only on SCI as thread "Muhammad Ali Jinnah - The home
Post by unknown
Post by Romanise
Carnage was set in motion from Calcutta and Noakhali. It spread as far
as Rawalpindi and Ahmedabad and continued in West pakistan, East
Pakistan, East Punjab and latter in Nizam's Hyderabad.
Between 600,000 to 1,500,000 people got killed.
Reference again with URL , We don't trust you, you are nothing but a
hateful crook Brahmin.
There is a lot on internet about figures of killed since Jinnah's
Direct Action Day in August of 1946.
Why dont you spend some time researching?
Post by unknown
Post by Romanise
I can understand that for you pakis proud of killing millions of your
own and raping tens of thousands of your own in 1971
No most of us never did that. Instead I curse everyday Yayha and
Bhutto for that even on this forum, I did that few times.
Yahya and Bhutto were creation of the mindset that was exemplified by
Jinnah. Yesterday I heard Mushy saying democracy is not change of power
by vote.
Post by unknown
Post by Romanise
and attacking you
own by planes in Balochistan,
American attacked and killed it's own in hurricane ravaged area
Louisiana few days back. But you know what , it was justified as even
after this calamity, some of Americans were looting, raping and
killing people. Same was the case in Pakistan, where these Sardars
are doing these dreadful thing to their poor peasants for years.
Why India is killing or killed it's own in Assam, Kashmir, Punjab<
Tamil Nadu and other areas ???
Why dont you give URLs?
Post by unknown
Post by Romanise
Jinnah was just a kid.
But see what he did.
Got muslims started killing hindus that matured in Pakistanis killing
pakistanis.
Post by unknown
Post by Romanise
You people have kept up your glorious tradition in Afghanistan, Indian
Punjab, Kashmir and as far as London.
Ha ha haa Indian Punjab, if we did what you blame us then why Man
Mohan Singh is begging for apology and for what??
Man Mohan Singh referred to the backlash Sikhs had to suffer when
Indira was killed in Delhi.
Post by unknown
Why Modi is being
spat all over the world??
Modi got reelected with thumping majority.
Post by unknown
Why Hindus are still burning low caste
Dalit homes even few days back in Haryana???
Jats have been your forefathers, you should know them well.
Post by unknown
It is very easy to blame others but then dare look at you own filthy
face and deeds in the mirror if there still is some shame left in you.
We would not have stuck together and progressed if we did not watched
ourselves constantly.
For us change of power through vote matters.
Romanise
2005-09-06 20:25:39 UTC
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Post by unknown
American attacked and killed it's own in hurricane ravaged area
Louisiana few days back. But you know what , it was justified as even
after this calamity,
What was Dubia doing?
Following in great tradition set by Pakistan?
You dont have to wait for next call for dinner.
Go and tell him he was right not to slove the problems created by
katrina.
American president will have first paindoo ass saver.
Post by unknown
some of Americans were looting, raping and
killing people. Same was the case in Pakistan, where these Sardars
are doing these dreadful thing to their poor peasants for years.
Why India is killing or killed it's own in Assam, Kashmir, Punjab<
Tamil Nadu and other areas ???
Pacifist
2005-08-18 17:02:53 UTC
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You underestimate the abilities of the young to transcend the
achievements of their forefathers.
It ill-behoves the old to poision young minds.

P
unknown
2005-08-18 19:13:24 UTC
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Post by Romanise
Post by Pacifist
Of course, foreigners always want to break up those nations they want
to dominate.
At the same time, many minorities want to break away from their
countries as they feel they are not getting a good deal under the
status quo.
The two might (and do) co-operate. Behavioural science calls it "goal
congruence".
The same is happening in the Middle East today with the Kurds. I am
sure it is an oft-repeated scenario world-wide and there's not a darned
thing you and I could do about it.
Politics makes strange bedfellows.
(Come to think of it, Nehru and Lady Mountbatten were strange
bedfellows too, but let's not go there!!).
Can you think of anyone like Jinnah who played game that has proved as
disastrous for his/her own people as Jinnah's game has proved for the
muslims of Indian subcontinent?
That was not Jinnah's idea, he was secular( even now certified by your
own great Neta Advani and wanted to have all( Muslim, Christian,
Hindu , Sikhs and others) in Pakistan live in peace, harmony and
freedom. It was the turn of events at time of partition which poisoned
and ruined all what he haddreamed and then God never gave him time to
rectify things. Other opportunists took over in Pakistan. And in
India, Nehru & Patel were playing all dirty games in Kashmir, Deccan
and other princely states .
There were no saints in India either and that is why we have lingering
problem of Kashmir . A symbol of powerful holding on (against all
principles of democracy) Kashmir to this day, only now agreed to even
talk about it after so many killings of innocent Kashmiris and her own
sons and daughters. Let Kashmiri go like Israel is doing now.

If only India was civilized and sincere, we may be living happily next
to each other and borders just a fading line in the sand.

You will never admit cunning and wicked nature of your ancestors, who
played the game without any civilized norms & rules. Power, money
is/was the main religion in India and now I think of everyone elses.
Marcus Aurelius
2005-08-18 19:38:30 UTC
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How can a country based on the idea of equality of all before law, be
friends with a country based on the idea of pisslamic domination?
There will never be peace between the two. This conflict has no
resolution unless the pisslamist country enters the modern age and
becomes secular.

Adi Anant
unknown
2005-08-19 02:04:41 UTC
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On 18 Aug 2005 12:38:30 -0700, "Marcus Aurelius"
Post by Marcus Aurelius
How can a country based on the idea of equality of all before law,
Only some dumb or a simple soul will digest this Holy Papa(bull)
crap from a caste infested Hindu Brahmin. Your religion/cult is
based on inequality of humans. Where one sect is religiously cursed
for eternity. You should be ashamed when pasting these lies , you
won't find any takers of this crap on SCP.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
be
friends with a country based on the idea of pisslamic domination?
No stay with cow mata's , Hanuman's jee and Ganesh baboo's domination
you cretin.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
There will never be peace between the two.
Thanks to idiots like you.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
This conflict has no
resolution unless the pisslamist country enters the modern age and
becomes secular.
And let you type bigots propagate shameful "Hindutva "
Post by Marcus Aurelius
Adi Anant
Morar
2005-08-19 13:41:21 UTC
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Post by unknown
On 18 Aug 2005 12:38:30 -0700, "Marcus Aurelius"
Post by Marcus Aurelius
How can a country based on the idea of equality of all before law,
Only some dumb or a simple soul will digest this Holy Papa(bull)
crap from a caste infested Hindu Brahmin. Your religion/cult is
based on inequality of humans. Where one sect is religiously cursed
for eternity. You should be ashamed when pasting these lies , you
won't find any takers of this crap on SCP.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
be
friends with a country based on the idea of pisslamic domination?
No stay with cow mata's , Hanuman's jee and Ganesh baboo's domination
you cretin.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
There will never be peace between the two.
Thanks to idiots like you.
Post by Marcus Aurelius
This conflict has no
resolution unless the pisslamist country enters the modern age and
becomes secular.
And let you type bigots propagate shameful "Hindutva "
Post by Marcus Aurelius
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Islam-Terrorism, Inc. - Part I


According to the FBI, the definition of terrorism is:


"Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or
property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population,
or
any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."



The religion of Islam fulfills each and every criteria of the
above-mentioned definition of terrorism. The following irrefutable
facts and
deductive logic will amply demonstrate this statement. Ever since Islam
was
founded it has left behind a legacy of violent atrocities and horrible
crimes. The holy book of the Muslims, the Koran, contains specific
instructions on how to loot, pillage, plunder, rape, torture and murder
in
order to further the interests of Islam . It can clearly be called a
specific instruction manual of terrorism.


The Holy Koran is full of very unholy and terrorist ambitions, it is
obviously not from God, as the Muslims would have us believe. Any sane
individual can see that it is a journal and collection of a terrorist?
criminal activities and ideas. This terrorist? name is Mohammed
(popularly
known as the prophet of Islam). During his lifetime, Mohammed organized
at
least 86 expeditions against people who either refused to follow his
teachings or simply came in the way of his power crazed ambitions. He
led
the life of a serial killer, terrorist and rapist, who perpetrated
genocide
throughout Arabia. Along with the pagan Arabs, many Jews and Christians
were
victims of this mindless terrorist. Mohammed was a man who destroyed
peace
wherever he went, and in its place brought terror, carnage and death.
And he
did all this in the name of God! Mohammed has clearly stated in the
Koran
that God has instructed him and all pious Muslims to loot, pillage,
plunder,
rape, torture and murder innocent human beings, in order to further the

interests of Islam.


I have stated below just a few of the verses from the Koran, which
support
this fact. As the Koran is supposed to be timeless and universal, the
verses
in it hold true even today and are used everyday by pious Muslims to
justify
their brutal and terrorist activities.


1. (Koran 8:12) "Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the
message):
"I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror
into
the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all

their finger tips of them."


In the above verse the great prophet of Islam, Mohammed, is giving step
by
step instructions on how to torture and kill the unbelievers if they
don't
follow Islam. He is clearly instructing Muslims to commit cold-blooded
murder in the name of religion.


2. (Koran 2:216) "Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful
unto
you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and
it
may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth,
you
knew not."


The above verse was stated by Mohammed after his first terrorist
attack. He
and his followers mercilessly massacred four innocent and unarmed
merchants
at Nakhla in 623 AD. The massacre came in January, the sacred month of
Rejeb. Arabs regard this month as a sacred month, when warfare and
violence
is forbidden. Since this barbaric criminal act was led and sanctioned
by the
"great" prophet Mohammed, we can conclude that Islam's sacred
activities
include loot and cold-blooded murder of innocent individuals. The very
beginnings of Islam are stained with the blood of innocents.


By stating the above verse, Mohammed completely absolved himself from
all
blame for having murdered innocents. The most insidious and devilish
implication of this verse is that God is completely justifying
Mohammed?
murder of the innocent Meccans. The import of this verse is that
killing and
violence are JUSTIFIED for Muslims, because they are doing it by divine

ordinance! It is a religious duty of every Muslim to murder anyone who
comes
in the way of Islam. Since it is also the duty of every Muslim to
ensure
that the entire world is converted to Islam by force if necessary, one
must
directly conclude that it is the religious duty of Muslims to kill all
those
who are non-Muslim. This conclusion is derived directly from the
supreme
edict of Allah, who admonishes that even the Muslim who feels it is
wrong to
kill, must murder in the name of Allah, otherwise he is not a true
Muslim.
Over and above this, Mohammed is hypocritically implying that warfare
is
hateful to him, but he participated in it because God ordained it.


3. (Koran 69:30-37) "It is not for any Prophet to have captives until
he
hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and
Allah
desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise.. Now enjoy
what you
have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is
forgiving, merciful."


This verse is in reference to the prisoners that Mohammed held for
ransom
after the battle of Badr. This battle occurred on March 17, 623 AD.
This is
the month of Ramadan?nother sacred month for the Muslims! In this
battle,
Mohammed and his followers killed at least 70 innocent merchants from
the
Quraysh tribe of Mecca and slaughtered several hundred soldiers who
came
forward to defend them.


Here God the "Merciful" is saying that all the non-believers deserve to
be
killed! In addition, God is conveniently commenting that whatever loot
Mohammed has plundered is "lawful and good" because it was done in
service
to God. So murder, rape, plunder and destruction are all perfectly
legal
with the Muslim God as long as they are done in the name of Islam!
Mohammed
is also insidiously making himself seem very kind for having spared the

lives of the prisoners, when in fact he only let them live so he could
ransom their lives for more money. In today? world this is called
"taking
hostages" and defines "Terrorism" of the worst kind.


4. (Koran 69:30-37) "(It will be said) Take him and fetter him and
expose
him to hell fire. And then insert him in a chain whereof the length is
seventy cubits. Lo! he used not to believe in God the tremendous, and
urged
not on the feeding of the wretched. Therefore hath he no lover hear
this day
nor any food save filth which none but sinners eat."


The above verses from the Koran prove that Muslims are specifically
instructed not to tolerate unbelievers. It directly states that people
who
do not believe in Mohammed and the Islamic God are to be tortured and
murdered.. Not only does this verse clearly implicate that unbelievers
must
be tortured and killed, it goes on further to state prescribed methods
for
committing torture. The horrific acts mentioned above are in practice
even
today in Islamic countries. In fact, in India, Muslims tortured the
Sikh
Gurus and their families exactly as prescribed by the Koran. For
example,
the Sikh guru Tegh Bahadur was imprisoned in a cage like a wild animal,
when
he refused to forsake his religion for Islam. Three of his disciples
were
murdered in front of his eyes. One of them was Bhai Mati Das. He was
sawed
alive into little pieces. The other was wrapped up in cotton and burnt
alive. Bhai Dyala, the third one, was boiled alive in a cauldron. Guru
Tegh
Bahadur himself was brutally tortured and killed in a similar fashion.
One
wonders at the mercy of "The all beneficent Allah" who enjoys watching
the
roasted burnt flesh of hapless innocents falling off their bones.


5. (Koran 5: 33-34) "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah
and
His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they
will
be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate
sides cut
off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their
degradation in
the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save
those who
repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is forgiving,
merciful."


6. (Koran 22: 19-22) "These twain (the believers and the disbelievers)
are
two opponents who contend concerning their Lord. But as for those who
disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling fluid
will be
poured down their heads. Whereby that which is in their bellies, and
their
skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron.
Whenever,
in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back
therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning."


7. (Koran 76: 4) "Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers chains, yokes
and a
blazing fire."


The above verses clearly state extreme terrorist activities, as they
contain
nothing but detailed recipes of horrific torture. Cutting off the hands
and
feet of individuals and then making them walk and jump, pouring boiling

waters over their victims, making them drink it, burning them alive,
inserting hot iron rods into their bodies, dismemberment and
disembowelment,
genital mutilation etc. are common Islamic practices.


I have mentioned only a few of the verses from the Koran to show that
Islam
is nothing but an excuse to legalize terrorism, genocide, massacre and
other
criminal activities. Many other verses that demonstrate these specific
qualities, are to be found throughout the Koran . As Muslims worldwide
regard the Koran to be the ultimate holy book, it is followed to the
word.
Their daily lives are guided specifically by such passages from the
Koran .
Moreover, the terrorist, lecherous and criminal activities described in
the
Koran are considered to be the sacred words of God. Is it any wonder
that
mindless Muslims all over the world, justify their criminal activities
of
destruction, loot, torture, rape and murder by pointing to the Koran?
They
actually consider their acts to be holy and believe that for committing
such
holy acts they will go to paradise? paradise where they will have
plenty of
wine, women and young boys for their sexual pleasure. (How Mohammed
uses
bribery in the Koran to attract mindless human beings is above the
scope of
this article and will be described in later ones).


Today, many followers of Islam such as Saddam Hussein, Idi Amin, Momar
Gaddafi, Louis Farrakhan, Yasser Arafat, Dawood Ibrahim, Abu Nidal,
etc. are
famed for the brutality of their crimes and terrorism. The entire world
is
marred by violence and murder, wherever Muslims reside. The entire
world is
suffering due to the barbaric activities of Islamic terrorists. Pick up
a
newspaper today and you will note that 98% of terrorist activities that

occur involve Muslims. I have named a few of the countries below as
examples:


(1) India - Muslims have been terrorizing this country since the 7th
century AD. Muslim regimes throughout India have a record of
unparalleled terror and torture described in gory detail by
contemporary Muslim chronicles themselves. Subjecting all non-Muslims
to abject atrocities, plundering their wealth, abducting their women
and usurping their houses of worship to be used as mosques and tombs,
has been considered sacred duty of every Muslim. Such acts earned for
the tormentors the coveted title of Ghazi, to be paraded as a citation
of great Islamic glory and greatness. Aurangzeb, one of the last Muslim
emperors had 10,000 Hindus massacred everyday for an entire year. He
alone was responsible for the massacre of at least 3,650,000 Hindus and
destruction of more than 11,000 Hindu temples. William Durant, author
of the voluminous "Story of Civilization" has described the Muslim
conquests in India as constituting the saddest and goriest chapter in
human history. Muslims have destroyed and looted the whole country and
have killed countless innocent Hindus in the process.


The Muslims forced the violent partition of India into three parts in
1947
(India, West Pakistan and East Pakistan). Even today, they terrorize
the
innocent people of India by causing bomb blasts and killing innocent
individuals. Currently, the followers of Islam are concentrating their
efforts in Kashmir, a northern state in India. Kashmir has been the
land of
the Hindus since ancient times. The word Kashmir itself is derived from

Rishi Kashyap? great spiritual leader of Hinduism. The Muslims have
destroyed this beautiful land completely. Today the Pakistan-sponsored
Muslim terrorists continue to kill, torture and rape the innocent
Hindus of
Kashmir. To cite the most recent incidents: In a cold-blooded massacre
on
the night of January 25th 1998, 23 Kashmiri Hindus, including 10 women
and
four children, were gunned down by a group of Islamic terrorists from
Pakistan in Wandhama, 27 km from Srinagar. On April 19th Islamic
terrorists
belonging to the Pakistani Lashkar-e-Tobia terrorist organization
claimed
responsibility for gunning down at least 13 Kashmiri Hindus in Prankot
village near Mahore in Udhampur district. The victims included four
women
and two children. Pakistan? aim is to separate Kashmir from India and
declare it as an Islamic state. I will provide you with more
information on
Islamic terrorism in India and Kashmir in a separate article.


(2) The Assyrian Nation - The horrible crimes committed by Islamic
terrorists against the Assyrian nation is a well documented fact.
Between
1980 and 1988 the Iraqi regime exiled thousands of Iraqi citizens to
Iran on
the charges that they were of Persian ancestry. Many Assyrians were
targeted
in this illegal and barbarous act. During this bloody war, it is
estimated
that up to 10,000 Assyrian men from Iraq were killed. The most
disturbing
aspect of this tragedy is that many of these Assyrians were killed in
cold
blood by their own Arab countrymen, just for being Assyrians. On
December
13th 1997, a group of militants belonging to the Kurdish Labour Party
(PKK),
treacherously attacked six Assyrians through an ambush laid for them in
the
district of Mangeesh-Duhok, Northern Iraq. Two of them were killed
immediately and the others were wounded, then the armed group charged
over
them and cold-bloodedly killed the wounded.


Ever since the invasion of their homelands by barbaric Muslims, the
Assyrians have been fighting for their rights. The persecution of
Assyrian
Christians by the Islamic terrorists has brought them to the brink of
extinction!


(3) Bangladesh - Bangladesh was a part of India before the Muslim
terrorists
led by Mohammed Ali Jinnah separated it from India in 1947. It was then

called East Pakistan. Jinnah lied to the thirteen million Hindus,
Buddhists
and Christians in East Pakistan and told them that they would not be
persecuted against. He promised that they would be given full freedom
under
the Islamic rule. However, these religious minorities?specially the
Hindus
and the Buddhists have been tortured, raped and murdered by the pious
Muslims ever since 1947. Over 2.5 million Hindus alone were slaughtered

during the Pakistan-Bangladesh war in 1971. The types of crimes
committed
were perfectly in accordance with the Koran. Robert E. Burns, the
author of
Wrath of Allah states, "The mutilation was disgusting?yes gouged out,
pregnant women disemboweled, male genitals cut off, women? breasts cut
off?."


The persecution of "unbelievers" in the name of Allah , continues even
today
in Bangladesh under the Islamic rule. For example, Taslima Nasreen, the

author of Lajja was given a death sentence for just stating the facts
and
speaking against the inhumane, cruel and barbaric nature of Islam.


(4) Egypt - Egypt has been terrorized by Muslims since the time of Umar
II
(8th Century AD.). With Umar? raid on Egypt began the destruction of
Egypt?
Christians. Their Churches were destroyed, Umar imposed Jizya? special
tax
that was invented by Mohammed , where all the "non-believers" had to
pay or
face death. They lost ownership of all their land and had to pay a
special
land tax, kharaj, simply in order to use it . They were ridiculed, made
to
wear discriminatory clothing and were made to ride on donkeys. Anyone
not
complying with the wishes of the Islamic terrorists was tortured to
death in
absolute accordance with the Koran. The ongoing Islamic terrorist
attacks on
innocent people in Egypt even today prove that Islamic terrorism is
alive
and kicking in this country as well. In this country the tourists are
special targets of the Muslim terrorists. Just last year in Cairo, the
pious
followers of Mohammed murdered an entire bus load of German tourists.
In
another incident, Muslim fundamentalists killed more than 40 tourists
near
the Pyramids.


The terrorists continue to commit these horrible crimes to achieve
their
goal of declaration of Egypt as an Islamic state. An Islamic state is
desired by these terrorists, so that they will be able to commit more
such
crimes freely. As per the Koran, they will go to the typical Islamic
Paradise for committing these "holy" acts! Apparently, the most
important
condition by far, for entering "Jannat" (Islamic Heaven) is that you
must
have the blood of innocents, stained on your hands!


(5) Algeria - Algeria has been under Islamic terrorist attack for quite
some
time now. Accurate casualty figures are difficult to acquire, but as
many as
50,000 Algerians (militants, security personnel, and civilians) have
died as
a result of the nearly four-year-old insurgency. Even the U.S.
embassy's
warehouse was the target of Islamic terrorists. They set fire to the
warehouse and threatened to kill the security guard just because he was

working for the United States. The Islamic terrorist organization which

carries out most of these attacks is called GIA (Algerian Armed Islamic

Group). The GIA was responsible for the deaths of 31 foreigners in
Algeria
in 1995, compared to at least 64 in 1994. Most of the foreigners killed
were
"soft targets," such as teachers and nuns. Cowardly Islamic terrorists,

conform to this pattern of targeting the most vulnerable and helpless
segment of the population, in imitation of Prophet Mohammed's life.
From
July to October, a terrorist bombing campaign in France began against
civilian targets, killing eight persons and wounding 160. And such
attacks
continue on even today in Algeria.


(6) Pakistan - Like East Pakistan (Bangladesh), Pakistan was also
founded by the terrorist leader, Mohammed Ali Jinnah. Ever since its
foundation, Pakistan has sponsored terrorism and Islamic terrorist
groups all over the world. Pakistan? main focus of terrorist activity
has always been India. his nation is obsessed with the downfall of
India and will do anything to accomplish this goal. It has gone to war
with India three times in the past and failed miserably all three
times. Pakistan continues to support Islamic terrorist organizations
such as Harakat ul-Ansar (HUA) and Al-Faran. Al-Faran is the group that
claimed responsibility for the kidnapping in Kashmir of two US
citizens, two Britons, a German, and a Norwegian. Other Pakistan-backed
groups have claimed responsibility for numerous bombings in Kashmir,
including one against foreign journalists.


It is a well-known fact today that Pakistan is an Islamic terrorist
state. The mastermind of the World Trade Center bombing hailed from
Pakistan. The Islamic terrorists in Kashmir are trained and supplied by
Pakistan. There is even proof that Pakistan is supporting and helping
the Taliban?he barbaric Islamic organization of Afghanistan.


Many other countries such as Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, Syria,
Indonesia, Israel, Libya, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Mauritania,
Cyprus, Bosnia-Herzegovina, etc. can be added to the above list.


As we can clearly see Muslims are actively committing acts of terrorism
in
many other parts of the world and justifying it by pointing towards the

Koran. Even the West is not untouched anymore. The fact that countries
such
as the U.K, U.S.A and France have already experienced Islamic terrorism

first hand is a testament to this. It remains to be seen whether
countries
such as these will learn from the past and recognize Islam for what it
is?
religious sanction to legalize barbaric and horrific crimes! I urge
each and
everyone to read the Koran, the terrorist's instruction manual, for
their
own personal safety. It is necessary to know what you are up against
before
you can begin to defend yourself.


This is just a simple introduction to Islamic terrorism. I intend to
post
more such articles that contain many more such proofs to show that
Islam is
nothing but an excuse to legalize terrorist activities and other such
crimes. In order to realize this, one must first understand that Islam
itself was founded for the sole purpose of terrorizing, subjugating,
massacring and torturing non-Muslims in the name of Allah. Mohammed,
the
founder of Islam composed the entire Koran in order to justify his
terrorist
activities and crimes by false Divine injunctions.
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Post by Morar
Islam-Terrorism, Inc. - Part I
"Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or
property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population,
or
any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."
Thus, the creation of terror in a person without the use of force or
violence is not terrorism. Is it legal? George WMD Bush had no reason
to declare a War on Terror, if the problem is terrorism.

-- The Green Troll <http://www.rev.net/~aloe/peace>
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