Szell box for $131.99 today at Amazon (looks like free shipping with Prime, too)

Didn't see that coming.

u***@gmail.com

2018-11-03 16:26:41 UTC

Post by m***@gmail.com
Didn't see that coming.

Neither did anyone else. Anyone who bought the box thinking they'd make a killing selling it after it went o/p is particularly unhappy. Since both Amazon and Sony are presumably earning a profit selling it at this low price I wonder how much it costs Sony to manufacture it.

Bob Harper

2018-11-03 18:27:49 UTC

Post by u***@gmail.com

Post by m***@gmail.com
Didn't see that coming.

Not a great deal, I suspect. I imagine the book, the box, and the
individual CD holders cost more than the discs themselves.

Bob Harper

Matthew Silverstein

2018-11-05 04:38:35 UTC

Somewhat random question: Could someone please tell me how much the box set weighs?

Matty

Frank Berger

2018-11-05 13:19:36 UTC

Post by Matthew Silverstein
Somewhat random question: Could someone please tell me how much the box set weighs?
Matty

One web site says 12.74 lb; another says 5400 g which is 11.9 lb.

operafan

2018-11-05 14:11:57 UTC

Post by Matthew Silverstein
Somewhat random question: Could someone please tell me how much the box set weighs?
Matty

Mine weighs about 13 pounds.

Matthew Silverstein

2018-11-05 14:52:58 UTC

Post by operafan

Post by Matthew Silverstein
Somewhat random question: Could someone please tell me how much the box set weighs?
Matty

Mine weighs about 13 pounds.

Thanks to you and Frank!

Matty

Bob Harper

2018-11-05 15:41:41 UTC

Post by Matthew Silverstein

Post by operafan

Post by Matthew Silverstein
Somewhat random question: Could someone please tell me how much the box set weighs?
Matty

Mine weighs about 13 pounds.

Thanks to you and Frank!
Matty

Late to the thread, but I just weighed mine--the box, book, and CDs
only, sans packaging--11 lbs. 15 oz.

Bob Harper

Mr. Mike

2018-11-03 19:42:29 UTC

Post by m***@gmail.com
Didn't see that coming.

As of today (Nov. 3) - "Back-ordered. Due in stock November 5."

Adam Dubin

2018-11-03 20:14:30 UTC

Post by m***@gmail.com
Didn't see that coming.

I'd say, buy another and give it as a gift!

m***@gmail.com

2018-11-03 20:31:36 UTC

Post by Adam Dubin

Post by m***@gmail.com
Didn't see that coming.

I'd say, buy another and give it as a gift!

or put aside just in case it does go up in price once it goes OOP.

Herman

2018-11-03 21:32:29 UTC

Post by Adam Dubin
I'd say, buy another and give it as a gift!
or put aside just in case it does go up in price once it goes OOP.

Wonderful juxtaposition of altruism and greed.

Frank Berger

2018-11-04 00:15:55 UTC

Post by Adam Dubin
I'd say, buy another and give it as a gift!
or put aside just in case it does go up in price once it goes OOP.

Wonderful juxtaposition of altruism and greed.

Both being perfectly normal human sentiments. Not that they are mutually
exclusive, either. If you did sell it at a profit you could donate some
or all of the profits to charity.

m***@gmail.com

2018-11-04 01:13:51 UTC

Post by Adam Dubin
I'd say, buy another and give it as a gift!
or put aside just in case it does go up in price once it goes OOP.

Wonderful juxtaposition of altruism and greed.

Both being perfectly normal human sentiments. Not that they are mutually
exclusive, either. If you did sell it at a profit you could donate some
or all of the profits to charity.

But why is it not just an investment that may or may not pay off?? Is it different because it is a collection of classical Cds by an admired conductor??? Why is it different from any other commodity that may or may not increase in value???

Frank Berger

2018-11-04 01:39:30 UTC

Post by Adam Dubin
I'd say, buy another and give it as a gift!
or put aside just in case it does go up in price once it goes OOP.

Wonderful juxtaposition of altruism and greed.

Both being perfectly normal human sentiments. Not that they are mutually
exclusive, either. If you did sell it at a profit you could donate some
or all of the profits to charity.

But why is it not just an investment that may or may not pay off??

Who said it was?

Is it different because it is a collection of classical Cds by an
admired conductor??? Why is it different from any other commodity that
may or may not increase in value???
Not really. Other than not really falling into the customary definition
of the word "commodity." You can buy anything hoping it goes up in
value, but certain things are so customarily bought and sold that there
are dedicated markets for them (wheat....gold....etc.).

m***@gmail.com

2018-11-04 01:45:06 UTC

Post by Adam Dubin
I'd say, buy another and give it as a gift!
or put aside just in case it does go up in price once it goes OOP.

Wonderful juxtaposition of altruism and greed.

Both being perfectly normal human sentiments. Not that they are mutually
exclusive, either. If you did sell it at a profit you could donate some
or all of the profits to charity.

But why is it not just an investment that may or may not pay off??

Who said it was?
Is it different because it is a collection of classical Cds by an
admired conductor??? Why is it different from any other commodity that
may or may not increase in value???
Not really. Other than not really falling into the customary definition
of the word "commodity." You can buy anything hoping it goes up in
value, but certain things are so customarily bought and sold that there
are dedicated markets for them (wheat....gold....etc.).

I was responding to the accusation that greed was the primary motive - My question was why was it not just an investment that may pay off - unless you think that greed is at the bottom of all investing which I do not. These sets have a habit of often increasing in price after the initial offering - I don't think taking advantage of that makes one Ebenezer Scrooge

Frank Berger

2018-11-04 13:17:26 UTC

Post by Adam Dubin
I'd say, buy another and give it as a gift!
or put aside just in case it does go up in price once it goes OOP.

Wonderful juxtaposition of altruism and greed.

Both being perfectly normal human sentiments. Not that they are mutually
exclusive, either. If you did sell it at a profit you could donate some
or all of the profits to charity.

But why is it not just an investment that may or may not pay off??

Who said it was?
Is it different because it is a collection of classical Cds by an
admired conductor??? Why is it different from any other commodity that
may or may not increase in value???
Not really. Other than not really falling into the customary definition
of the word "commodity." You can buy anything hoping it goes up in
value, but certain things are so customarily bought and sold that there
are dedicated markets for them (wheat....gold....etc.).

Simply put, "greed" is defined as excessive self-interest. Since this
is not measurable AFAIK, I don't know how to identify or discuss it.
What is excessive to one person is not to another. To a communist
perhaps all self-interest is greed. To a libertarian, perhaps there is
no such thing.

Herman

2018-11-04 15:05:35 UTC

Post by Frank Berger
Simply put, "greed" is defined as excessive self-interest. Since this
is not measurable AFAIK, I don't know how to identify or discuss it.
What is excessive to one person is not to another. To a communist
perhaps all self-interest is greed. To a libertarian, perhaps there is
no such thing.

that's a pretty sad thing to say.

Frank Berger

2018-11-04 15:09:56 UTC

that's a pretty sad thing to say.

Yes. It's sad to think that some people don't understand that
self-interest is a good and important force in the world.

Herman

2018-11-04 15:16:35 UTC

You just said that in your mind there is no such thing as excessive self-interest.

m***@gmail.com

2018-11-04 15:44:53 UTC

Post by Herman
You just said that in your mind there is no such thing as excessive self-interest.

Not what he said.

m***@gmail.com

2018-11-04 15:48:15 UTC

Post by Herman
You just said that in your mind there is no such thing as excessive self-interest.

How is buying an item in the hope of selling it later at a higher price "excessive self interest".. I may be wrong but isn't that why millions of people invest in the stock market???

m***@gmail.com

2018-11-04 15:54:11 UTC

Post by Herman
You just said that in your mind there is no such thing as excessive self-interest.

How is buying an item in the hope of selling it later at a higher price "excessive self interest".. I may be wrong but isn't that why millions of people invest in the stock market???

If you check the postings here you'll see I was one of the first to post about it being a good price at Classics Select. Szell is one of my favorite conductors and I was happy to order it. You will also see when it finally arrived how happy I was to get it. So I thought when I saw it at a lower price at Amazon and the history of how these box sets can go up in value why not buy another one and wait and see. If it stays the same I can always donate it to the Curtis Institute. So I can't understand why I was accused of being greedy.

Herman

2018-11-04 16:06:32 UTC

Post by Herman
You just said that in your mind there is no such thing as excessive self-interest.

How is buying an item in the hope of selling it later at a higher price "excessive self interest".. I may be wrong but isn't that why millions of people invest in the stock market???

I don't think the Szell box idea is an example of excessive greed, as long as you don't purchase the entire stock.

I was reacting to Berger's knee jerk Greed Is Good sermon.

Buying a second Szell box in hopes of selling it with a profit when the supply has run out is no excessive greed. To me it seems a little futile, but mostly it seemed a poignant contrast to the other poster who had said it was worth buying an extra box at that price to give as a present to a friend.

The original idea of buying stock was to help a business, and if the business went well, you shared in the profits.

Frank Berger

2018-11-04 16:27:42 UTC

Post by Herman
You just said that in your mind there is no such thing as excessive self-interest.

How is buying an item in the hope of selling it later at a higher price "excessive self interest".. I may be wrong but isn't that why millions of people invest in the stock market???

I don't think the Szell box idea is an example of excessive greed, as long as you don't purchase the entire stock.
I was reacting to Berger's knee jerk Greed Is Good sermon.

I said self-interest is good, not greed. I even defined greed as
EXCESSIVE self-interest. As always, you go out of your way to
mis-represent what I said.

Post by Herman
Buying a second Szell box in hopes of selling it with a profit when the supply has run out is no excessive greed. To me it seems a little futile, but mostly it seemed a poignant contrast to the other poster who had said it was worth buying an extra box at that price to give as a present to a friend.
The original idea of buying stock was to help a business, and if the business went well, you shared in the profits.

Herman

2018-11-04 16:33:39 UTC

Post by Herman
You just said that in your mind there is no such thing as excessive self-interest.

How is buying an item in the hope of selling it later at a higher price "excessive self interest".. I may be wrong but isn't that why millions of people invest in the stock market???

I don't think the Szell box idea is an example of excessive greed, as long as you don't purchase the entire stock.
I was reacting to Berger's knee jerk Greed Is Good sermon.

I said self-interest is good, not greed. I even defined greed as
EXCESSIVE self-interest. As always, you go out of your way to
mis-represent what I said.

You made a point of saying there's no way to say when greed becomes excessive. Which logically means there is no excessive greed.

Frank Berger

2018-11-04 17:53:18 UTC

Post by Herman
You just said that in your mind there is no such thing as excessive self-interest.

How is buying an item in the hope of selling it later at a higher price "excessive self interest".. I may be wrong but isn't that why millions of people invest in the stock market???

I don't think the Szell box idea is an example of excessive greed, as long as you don't purchase the entire stock.
I was reacting to Berger's knee jerk Greed Is Good sermon.

I said self-interest is good, not greed. I even defined greed as
EXCESSIVE self-interest. As always, you go out of your way to
mis-represent what I said.

You made a point of saying there's no way to say when greed becomes excessive. Which logically means there is no excessive greed.

Again, those are not my words; they are yours. I said that everyone
will have their own opinion about what constitutes "excessive."

music lover

2018-11-05 00:43:14 UTC

Will be interesting to see if there is any future resale market for the Szell box. Sellers can ask anything they want for an item. I’m sure more than a few here have seen outrageous prices for out of print box sets. Thousands of $$$! I bought the Eugene Istomin Sony set. Never really considered buying it found it new for list price at a favorite record store in Berkeley. For me turned out to be of limited interest. Big fan of Istomin Stern Rose chamber performances. Set seems to be out of print. Low asking price on Amazon around $600. Unloaded it on eBay for $130. Not sure I was being greedy. But I need shelf space.

Frank Berger

2018-11-05 01:21:39 UTC

Post by music lover
Will be interesting to see if there is any future resale market for the Szell box. Sellers can ask anything they want for an item. I’m sure more than a few here have seen outrageous prices for out of print box sets. Thousands of $$$! I bought the Eugene Istomin Sony set. Never really considered buying it found it new for list price at a favorite record store in Berkeley. For me turned out to be of limited interest. Big fan of Istomin Stern Rose chamber performances. Set seems to be out of print. Low asking price on Amazon around $600. Unloaded it on eBay for $130. Not sure I was being greedy.

Simple solution. Just donate enough of the profits to charity so that
you feel certain you are not being greedy. :-)

m***@gmail.com

2018-11-05 02:50:58 UTC

Simple solution. Just donate enough of the profits to charity so that
you feel certain you are not being greedy. :-)

yes I'll be sure to do that as well :-)

m***@gmail.com

2018-11-04 17:39:10 UTC

Post by Herman
You just said that in your mind there is no such thing as excessive self-interest.

How is buying an item in the hope of selling it later at a higher price "excessive self interest".. I may be wrong but isn't that why millions of people invest in the stock market???

I don't think the Szell box idea is an example of excessive greed, as long as you don't purchase the entire stock.
I was reacting to Berger's knee jerk Greed Is Good sermon.
Buying a second Szell box in hopes of selling it with a profit when the supply has run out is no excessive greed. To me it seems a little futile, but mostly it seemed a poignant contrast to the other poster who had said it was worth buying an extra box at that price to give as a present to a friend.
The original idea of buying stock was to help a business, and if the business went well, you shared in the profits.

Actually you were the person who called my statement about a buying a box in case it goes OOP a combination of altruism and greed.

Gerard

2018-11-04 16:14:07 UTC

Post by Herman
You just said that in your mind there is no such thing as excessive self-interest.

For a libertarian that is.

Frank Berger

2018-11-04 16:24:28 UTC

Post by Herman
You just said that in your mind there is no such thing as excessive self-interest.

Not really. Just that everyone will have there own opinion of what is
excessive.

g***@gmail.com

2018-11-04 03:07:25 UTC

Post by Adam Dubin
I'd say, buy another and give it as a gift!
or put aside just in case it does go up in price once it goes OOP.

Wonderful juxtaposition of altruism and greed.

Both being perfectly normal human sentiments. Not that they are mutually
exclusive, either. If you did sell it at a profit you could donate some
or all of the profits to charity.

According to the following:

- Most people nowadays see...selling to make a profit...seem like the most natural of human activities...The glorification of making money, the sanctioning of all the actions necessary to do so, and the promotion of the needed human traits—“unnatural” and repugnant to Aristotle—is now the norm of capitalist societies.

https://monthlyreview.org/2005/07/01/approaching-socialism/

Oscar

2018-11-04 03:30:11 UTC

Aristotle??

“The superior man understands what is right; the inferior man understands what will sell.”
-Confucius

g***@gmail.com

2019-07-19 03:53:32 UTC

Post by Oscar
Aristotle??
“The superior man understands what is right; the inferior man understands what will sell.”
-Confucius

- … [To be a Vulcan] means to adopt a philosophy, a way of life which is logical and beneficial. We cannot disregard that philosophy merely for personal gain, no matter how important that gain might be.

Mr. Spock

2018-12-05 20:10:17 UTC

Post by Adam Dubin
I'd say, buy another and give it as a gift!
or put aside just in case it does go up in price once it goes OOP.

Wonderful juxtaposition of altruism and greed.

Both being perfectly normal human sentiments. Not that they are mutually
exclusive, either. If you did sell it at a profit you could donate some
or all of the profits to charity.

the profits would be better used for a violin lesson for Herman:-)
AB

2018-12-05 20:17:05 UTC

Post by AB

Post by Adam Dubin
I'd say, buy another and give it as a gift!
or put aside just in case it does go up in price once it goes OOP.

Wonderful juxtaposition of altruism and greed.

Both being perfectly normal human sentiments. Not that they are mutually
exclusive, either. If you did sell it at a profit you could donate some
or all of the profits to charity.

the profits would be better used for a violin lesson for Herman:-)
AB

weary flake

2018-11-10 19:58:53 UTC

Post by Adam Dubin
I'd say, buy another and give it as a gift!
or put aside just in case it does go up in price once it goes OOP.

Wonderful juxtaposition of altruism and greed.

It's said that classical music is only issued as good works and as
a dedication to the arts. We should cherish Sony's charitable
efforts, and we'd be a real jerk if we weren't grateful.

m***@gmail.com

2018-11-25 19:59:02 UTC

Szell box is now 184.46 at Amazon. Perhaps Amazon has always been doigng this, but I find price fluctuations of this magnitude to be rather odd. Someone could probably write an interesting article on why they make these changes, assuming they could access the decision-makers, human or computer.

Frank Berger

2018-11-25 20:16:06 UTC

Post by m***@gmail.com
Szell box is now 184.46 at Amazon. Perhaps Amazon has always been doigng this, but I find price fluctuations of this magnitude to be rather odd. Someone could probably write an interesting article on why they make these changes, assuming they could access the decision-makers, human or computer.

Perhaps as their supplies run low (especially if resupply is uncertain)
they raise price. This assumess that supply is running low faster than
demand is declining. Maybe they have computer algorithims that figure
this out. This wouldn't make sense, of course, if competitors had
adequate inventories.

We all know that airlines monkey around with price all the times. Same
thing.

By the way, Amazon is out of stock on the Szell box. Others are
charging more than $200.

Oscar

2018-11-25 21:01:45 UTC

Post by m***@gmail.com
Szell box is now 184.46 at Amazon. Perhaps Amazon has always been doigng this, but I find price
fluctuations of this magnitude to be rather odd. Someone could probably write an interesting article
on why they make these changes, assuming they could access the decision-makers, human or computer.

The Szell Complete box was at the $131.99 from at least two weeks ago, but Amazon fulfilled orders all its incoming stock before scheduled delivery date last Wednesday. It continued taking orders at same price till a couple days ago, listing "Usually within 1 to 3 months" delivery time. Now, it is listed as Temporarily Out of Stock and fifty-plus dollars more.

Oscar

2018-11-26 02:00:35 UTC

Post by Oscar
The Szell Complete box was at the $131.99 from at least two weeks ago, but Amazon fulfilled
orders all its incoming stock before scheduled delivery date last Wednesday. It continued taking
orders at same price till a couple days ago, listing "Usually within 1 to 3 months" delivery time.
Now, it is listed as Temporarily Out of Stock and fifty-plus dollars more.

^^^ I promise I wasn't drinking. Because I don't drink. Sometimes I resemble a drinker.

Frank Berger

2018-11-26 02:09:51 UTC

Post by Oscar

^^^ I promise I wasn't drinking. Because I don't drink. Sometimes I resemble a drinker.

As is often the case when reading a foreign language, we got the gist. :-)

John Hood

2018-11-26 00:14:39 UTC

Can someone please provide an Amazon link to this box. I'm in Australia
and I can never find it :)

Thanks,

JH

m***@gmail.com

2018-11-26 16:46:43 UTC

Post by John Hood
Can someone please provide an Amazon link to this box. I'm in Australia
and I can never find it :)
Thanks,
JH

"szell complete"/return

Mr. Mike

2018-11-26 23:00:50 UTC

Post by m***@gmail.com
Szell box is now 184.46 at Amazon. Perhaps Amazon has always been doigng this, but I find price fluctuations of this magnitude to be rather odd.

Birgit Nilsson - The Great Live Recordings was originally less than
$100 for pre-order on amazon.ca. Of course, when I decided to order it
shortly before the release, the price went crazy, skyrocketing to
around $200. Then it dropped up and down like someone on a trampoline.
The price at the moment is $117.46 Canadian.

I ended up pre-ordering it from the USA for less than $100, which was
still a good deal considering what the price in Canada was at the
time.

Frank Berger

2018-11-26 23:16:30 UTC

Post by Mr. Mike

Post by m***@gmail.com
Szell box is now 184.46 at Amazon. Perhaps Amazon has always been doigng this, but I find price fluctuations of this magnitude to be rather odd.

Birgit Nilsson - The Great Live Recordings was originally less than
$100 for pre-order on amazon.ca. Of course, when I decided to order it
shortly before the release, the price went crazy, skyrocketing to
around $200. Then it dropped up and down like someone on a trampoline.
The price at the moment is $117.46 Canadian.
I ended up pre-ordering it from the USA for less than $100, which was
still a good deal considering what the price in Canada was at the
time.

It's seems strange to me that price fluctuations like this should elicit
much surprise. Try asking the person next to you next time you fly how
much they paid for their seat.

m***@gmail.com

2018-11-27 16:21:21 UTC

Post by Frank Berger
It's seems strange to me that price fluctuations like this should elicit
much surprise. Try asking the person next to you next time you fly how
much they paid for their seat.

That's as superficial as analysis can get. Just because airline ticket prices fluctuate doesn't mean they have anything to say about the retail price changes of manufactured goods.

I'm prepared to admit that CD box prices may change more than I have noticed, but my guess is that the wild swings we are seeing at Amazon are more extreme than in the past and atypical when compared to other retailers.

Frank Berger

2018-11-27 16:36:25 UTC

Post by Frank Berger
It's seems strange to me that price fluctuations like this should elicit
much surprise. Try asking the person next to you next time you fly how
much they paid for their seat.

That's as superficial as analysis can get. Just because airline ticket prices fluctuate doesn't mean they have anything to say about the retail price changes of manufactured goods.

It wasn't an analysis at all. It was an observation.

Post by m***@gmail.com
I'm prepared to admit that CD box prices may change more than I have noticed, but my guess is that the wild swings we are seeing at Amazon are more extreme than in the past and atypical when compared to other retailers.

When there is bad wheat crop the price of wheat goes up. When a flight
starts to sell out, the supply of remaining seats becomes scarce and the
airline thinks it can get more for them, so they raise the price.
Perhaps in manufacturing supply disruptions are less common than in
agriculture and the airline business, but they do happen. Factories
burn down, severe weather and political events happen. And when they
do, prices adjust. It's just supply and demand. If this analysis is
superficial, I'm sorry.

m***@gmail.com

2018-11-27 22:29:39 UTC

Post by Frank Berger
When there is bad wheat crop the price of wheat goes up. When a flight
starts to sell out, the supply of remaining seats becomes scarce and the
airline thinks it can get more for them, so they raise the price.
Perhaps in manufacturing supply disruptions are less common than in
agriculture and the airline business, but they do happen. Factories
burn down, severe weather and political events happen. And when they
do, prices adjust. It's just supply and demand. If this analysis is
superficial, I'm sorry.

I think you've simply forgotten what things were like in the near past. And you're ignoring the fact that price variabilities are still not a hallmark of any retailer out there except Amazon. Am I wrong? Name any other retailer where the price of a higher-dollar CD box set goes up and down by more than 25% for significant stretches of time out of sync with any promotion or sale. I don't think you can.

And I don't think this is how things were a few years ago. You didn't see whiplash changes to price for no reason that lasted for weeks. Is it due to Prime? A few years ago when Prime didn't exist, you were expected to pay a significant premium for speedy shipping. Now it's a standard. Amazon has to optimize warehouse space in measuring supply and anticipating demand. That has to be part of it.

*It is true that bix box stroes like Target and WalMart may match Amazon's prices for high-dollar items (look at the Google shopping price for Bernstein Remastered where Amazon and WalMart undercut everyone else by $30), but neither of them keeps stick on hand of any of this stuff for long. They don't count.

Frank Berger

2018-11-27 23:46:47 UTC

I have no personal knowledge of whether Amazon or anyone else has in the
past engaged in such an "active" pricing strategy a la the airlines.
There has been speculation about the degree to which Amazon kind of
cornered the market on the Szell box. If true they could (choose to)
manipulate the price depending on their stock. If everyone has equal
access to supplies you probably wouldn't see this.

Post by m***@gmail.com
And I don't think this is how things were a few years ago. You didn't see whiplash changes to price for no reason that lasted for weeks. Is it due to Prime? A few years ago when Prime didn't exist, you were expected to pay a significant premium for speedy shipping. Now it's a standard. Amazon has to optimize warehouse space in measuring supply and anticipating demand. That has to be part of it.

I doubt it has to to with warehouse space. But measuring and
anticipating supply and demand I've already mentioned. Obviously if
Amazon was to run of stock but others still have stock you're not going
to see Amazon raise price, any more than one farmer charges more for his
wheat than another farmer.

Post by m***@gmail.com
*It is true that bix box stroes like Target and WalMart may match Amazon's prices for high-dollar items (look at the Google shopping price for Bernstein Remastered where Amazon and WalMart undercut everyone else by $30), but neither of them keeps stick on hand of any of this stuff for long. They don't count.

Not a Dentist

2018-11-28 02:45:32 UTC

Is there any chance that we could return to discussing the product itself instead of the presumed or perceived machinations involved in its marketing? Has anyone noticed a musical or mechanical aspect of the set that might be of some interest to the ten or twelve who have NOT ordered the box?

Does it bother anyone that only HALF the contents of each CD are listed on the disc label (being as it is a replica of Side 1 of the original LP)?

Considering that the liner notes that appear on most sleeves are in fact legible, am I the only one who is disappointed about the several instances when a multi-disc album is accompanied by no notes at all? The work of Klaus George Roy and other annotators was a significant component of these original releases, and it's sad to miss any of that material.

Dennis

Frank Berger

2018-11-28 04:09:37 UTC

Post by Not a Dentist
Is there any chance that we could return to discussing the product itself instead of the presumed or perceived machinations involved in its marketing? Has anyone noticed a musical or mechanical aspect of the set that might be of some interest to the ten or twelve who have NOT ordered the box?
Does it bother anyone that only HALF the contents of each CD are listed on the disc label (being as it is a replica of Side 1 of the original LP)?
Considering that the liner notes that appear on most sleeves are in fact legible, am I the only one who is disappointed about the several instances when a multi-disc album is accompanied by no notes at all? The work of Klaus George Roy and other annotators was a significant component of these original releases, and it's sad to miss any of that material.
Dennis

Yes, there is a chance.

Herman

2018-11-28 10:37:31 UTC

Not a chance.

This is a classic RMCR genre concerning reissues of classic recordings in box form. It's a five step program.

1) Endless talk about the pricing and when one should jump in.

2) Endless complaining about the delivery dates.

3) Extended discussion of what the packaging looks like and the inconceivable damage done during shipping

4)Blow by blow nano-discussion of what the box looks like, and how the actual cd discs are sleeved.

5) Zero discussion of the actual musical performance, since in most case the music has been with the purchasers for fifty years or more.

Herman

2018-11-28 12:31:07 UTC

Not a chance.
This is a classic RMCR genre concerning reissues of classic recordings in box form. It's a five step program.
1) Endless talk about the pricing and when one should jump in.
2) Endless complaining about the delivery dates.
3) Extended discussion of what the packaging looks like and the inconceivable damage done during shipping
4)Blow by blow nano-discussion of what the box looks like, and how the actual cd discs are sleeved.
5) Zero discussion of the actual musical performance, since in most case the music has been with the purchasers for fifty years or more.

3 b) Multi-post discussion of what happens when one lodges a complaint about some minor damage to the item / missing liner notes / a strange click on disc nr 72 at the 50:33 time

3 c) What happens when one returns the 100cd box just because is was 10 / 10 perfect

g***@gmail.com

2018-11-28 16:10:58 UTC

Not a chance.
This is a classic RMCR genre concerning reissues of classic recordings in box form. It's a five step program.
1) Endless talk about the pricing and when one should jump in.
2) Endless complaining about the delivery dates.
3) Extended discussion of what the packaging looks like and the inconceivable damage done during shipping
4)Blow by blow nano-discussion of what the box looks like, and how the actual cd discs are sleeved.
5) Zero discussion of the actual musical performance, since in most case the music has been with the purchasers for fifty years or more.

3 b) Multi-post discussion of what happens when one lodges a complaint about some minor damage to the item / missing liner notes / a strange click on disc nr 72 at the 50:33 time
3 c) What happens when one returns the 100cd box just because is was 10 / 10 perfect

If you think about the letter 'c', if once upon a time RMCR was about connoisseurs commenting on various recordings, hasn't it become more about consumers chasing after bargains and then complaining about not getting their money's worth?

weary flake

2018-12-06 20:43:02 UTC

Post by g***@gmail.com

This is a classic RMCR genre concerning reissues of classic recordings
in box form. It's a five step program.
1) Endless talk about the pricing and when one should jump in.
2) Endless complaining about the delivery dates.
3) Extended discussion of what the packaging looks like and the
inconceivable damage done during shipping
4)Blow by blow nano-discussion of what the box looks like, and how the
actual cd discs are sleeved.
5) Zero discussion of the actual musical performance, since in most
case the music has been with the purchasers for fifty years or more.

3 b) Multi-post discussion of what happens when one lodges a complaint
about some minor damage to the item / missing liner notes / a strange
click on disc nr 72 at the 50:33 time
3 c) What happens when one returns the 100cd box just because is was 10 / 10 perfect

If you think about the letter 'c', if once upon a time RMCR was about
connoisseurs commenting on various recordings, hasn't it become more
about consumers chasing after bargains and then complaining about not
getting their money's worth?

Often enough the only way to find certain recordings is on bargain labels.
My desire for a recording doesn't magicly cause it to appear on
nonbargain labels.
To complain about consumers buying bargains is stupid.

Gerard

2018-11-28 16:52:38 UTC

Not a chance.
This is a classic RMCR genre concerning reissues of classic recordings in box form. It's a five step program.
1) Endless talk about the pricing and when one should jump in.
2) Endless complaining about the delivery dates.
3) Extended discussion of what the packaging looks like and the inconceivable damage done during shipping
4)Blow by blow nano-discussion of what the box looks like, and how the actual cd discs are sleeved.
5) Zero discussion of the actual musical performance, since in most case the music has been with the purchasers for fifty years or more.

3 b) Multi-post discussion of what happens when one lodges a complaint about some minor damage to the item / missing liner notes / a strange click on disc nr 72 at the 50:33 time
3 c) What happens when one returns the 100cd box just because is was 10 / 10 perfect

But there IS a big chance that it "ends" as a never-ending Berger thread ;-(

Frank Berger

2018-11-28 17:25:08 UTC

Post by Gerard

Not a chance.
This is a classic RMCR genre concerning reissues of classic recordings in box form. It's a five step program.
1) Endless talk about the pricing and when one should jump in.
2) Endless complaining about the delivery dates.
3) Extended discussion of what the packaging looks like and the inconceivable damage done during shipping
4)Blow by blow nano-discussion of what the box looks like, and how the actual cd discs are sleeved.
5) Zero discussion of the actual musical performance, since in most case the music has been with the purchasers for fifty years or more.

3 b) Multi-post discussion of what happens when one lodges a complaint about some minor damage to the item / missing liner notes / a strange click on disc nr 72 at the 50:33 time
3 c) What happens when one returns the 100cd box just because is was 10 / 10 perfect

But there IS a big chance that it "ends" as a never-ending Berger thread ;-(

There is a bigger chance of a gratuitous anti-Berger rant from Herman.

weary flake

2018-12-06 20:37:50 UTC

3 b) Multi-post discussion of what happens when one lodges a complaint
about some minor damage to the item / missing liner notes / a strange
click on disc nr 72 at the 50:33 time
3 c) What happens when one returns the 100cd box just because is was 10 / 10 perfect

You are offended by consumers describing products? When consumers find
a possible
defect you want us to keep it a secret. Well, you've already said you
hated box sets,
so your comments in box set threads is to bash box set buyers.

If you don't know anything about box sets, I'll just state that
depending on the
set, a missing or misprinted booklet can be crucial: all the table of
contents could
be in the booklet, and no where else. Whether a single CD is defective
or missing
from a 200 CD box set is important: individual CDs in a box set can not
be bought
independantly, so if one part is wrong the set is not 99.5% good but a
defective set.
Industry apologists are always angry about consumers whining about
getting the product
that we paid for, and I hope consumers continue to inform other consumers.

Herman

2018-12-07 07:36:05 UTC

Post by weary flake
You are offended by consumers describing products?

No I am not offended.

Post by weary flake
When consumers find
a possible
defect you want us to keep it a secret.

I did not say that.

&c ad inf.

Herman

2018-12-07 08:19:49 UTC

Post by weary flake
You are offended by consumers describing products?

No I am not offended.

One could say I am somewhat puzzled and amused by this habit of some RMCR posters of obsessively posting over the physical details of cd packaging etc while hardly ever talking about what the music sounds like.

I realize this is, in many cases, because this is about recordings they have been familiar with for decades, and I think you hit the nail on the head with your use of the word "consumer".

I visit RMCR because I love classical music. Not because I am a consumer, with the concomitant wish to get things cheap, conveniently and in large quantities and without any surprises - which is why the Szelll box created so much excitement here, because it is all of those things.

Let it be noted that I admire Szell as a Mozart conductor and as a pianist. I just don't need to have everything he did, and also being of a different age than some and not US American by birth or upbringing I have not imprinted on his recordings the way some obviously have.

So, I am not offended, I am just puzzled and amused about the way some people want to get their cds for prices like $1.50, they're not going to do the deal if it's $1,51, and still they demand that everything is 100% perfect.

Frank Berger

2018-12-07 13:10:07 UTC

Post by weary flake
You are offended by consumers describing products?

No I am not offended.

One could say I am somewhat puzzled and amused by this habit of some RMCR posters of obsessively posting over the physical details of cd packaging etc while hardly ever talking about what the music sounds like.
I realize this is, in many cases, because this is about recordings they have been familiar with for decades, and I think you hit the nail on the head with your use of the word "consumer".
I visit RMCR because I love classical music. Not because I am a consumer, with the concomitant wish to get things cheap, conveniently and in large quantities and without any surprises - which is why the Szelll box created so much excitement here, because it is all of those things.
Let it be noted that I admire Szell as a Mozart conductor and as a pianist. I just don't need to have everything he did, and also being of a different age than some and not US American by birth or upbringing I have not imprinted on his recordings the way some obviously have.
So, I am not offended, I am just puzzled and amused about the way some people want to get their cds for prices like $1.50, they're not going to do the deal if it's $1,51, and still they demand that everything is 100% perfect.

Consider what you just wrote from the point of view people who care
about the things you don't care about. Can you even see how
condescending you are? I'm sure we (well, not me....I paid 220 for the
Szell box) are happy to "amuse" you.

"You mean, let me understand this … cuz I … maybe its me, maybe I’m a
little fucked up maybe. I’m funny how? I mean funny, like I’m a clown? I
amuse you? I make you laugh? I’m here to fuckin’ amuse you? Whattya you
mean funny? Funny how? How am I funny?"

Herman

2018-12-07 13:34:37 UTC

Post by Frank Berger
"You mean, let me understand this … cuz I … maybe its me, maybe I’m a
little fucked up maybe. I’m funny how? I mean funny, like I’m a clown? I
amuse you? I make you laugh? I’m here to fuckin’ amuse you? Whattya you
mean funny? Funny how? How am I funny?"

The compulsion to accuse me of things I did not say, and in this case, provide an extensive quote of words I never said, and never would say, seems to compulsory in this topic.

Frank Berger

2018-12-07 13:58:58 UTC

The compulsion to accuse me of things I did not say, and in this case, provide an extensive quote of words I never said, and never would say, seems to compulsory in this topic.

I didn't accuse of saying a single thing that you didn't say. The quote
is from Goodfellas.

Herman

2018-12-07 14:45:41 UTC

The compulsion to accuse me of things I did not say, and in this case, provide an extensive quote of words I never said, and never would say, seems to compulsory in this topic.

I didn't accuse of saying a single thing that you didn't say. The quote
is from Goodfellas.

well then the question is why did you quote this film extensively without attribution.

I didn't call anyone "fucked-up", or a "clown".

Maybe (I have no idea) you just wanted to coarsen the discussion, if that's what it is.

Frank Berger

2018-12-07 16:19:55 UTC

The compulsion to accuse me of things I did not say, and in this case, provide an extensive quote of words I never said, and never would say, seems to compulsory in this topic.

I didn't accuse of saying a single thing that you didn't say. The quote
is from Goodfellas.

well then the question is why did you quote this film extensively without attribution.
I didn't call anyone "fucked-up", or a "clown".
Maybe (I have no idea) you just wanted to coarsen the discussion, if that's what it is.

Think "condescending."

m***@gmail.com

2018-12-07 13:58:17 UTC

Post by weary flake
You are offended by consumers describing products?

No I am not offended.

One could say I am somewhat puzzled and amused by this habit of some RMCR posters of obsessively posting over the physical details of cd packaging etc while hardly ever talking about what the music sounds like.
I realize this is, in many cases, because this is about recordings they have been familiar with for decades, and I think you hit the nail on the head with your use of the word "consumer".
I visit RMCR because I love classical music. Not because I am a consumer, with the concomitant wish to get things cheap, conveniently and in large quantities and without any surprises - which is why the Szelll box created so much excitement here, because it is all of those things.
Let it be noted that I admire Szell as a Mozart conductor and as a pianist. I just don't need to have everything he did, and also being of a different age than some and not US American by birth or upbringing I have not imprinted on his recordings the way some obviously have.
So, I am not offended, I am just puzzled and amused about the way some people want to get their cds for prices like $1.50, they're not going to do the deal if it's $1,51, and still they demand that everything is 100% perfect.

Consider what you just wrote from the point of view people who care
about the things you don't care about. Can you even see how
condescending you are? I'm sure we (well, not me....I paid 220 for the
Szell box) are happy to "amuse" you.
"You mean, let me understand this … cuz I … maybe its me, maybe I’m a
little fucked up maybe. I’m funny how? I mean funny, like I’m a clown? I
amuse you? I make you laugh? I’m here to fuckin’ amuse you? Whattya you
mean funny? Funny how? How am I funny?"

Someone recently saw Goodfellas!!!!!

Frank Berger

2018-12-07 13:59:49 UTC

Post by weary flake
You are offended by consumers describing products?

No I am not offended.

One could say I am somewhat puzzled and amused by this habit of some RMCR posters of obsessively posting over the physical details of cd packaging etc while hardly ever talking about what the music sounds like.
I realize this is, in many cases, because this is about recordings they have been familiar with for decades, and I think you hit the nail on the head with your use of the word "consumer".
I visit RMCR because I love classical music. Not because I am a consumer, with the concomitant wish to get things cheap, conveniently and in large quantities and without any surprises - which is why the Szelll box created so much excitement here, because it is all of those things.
Let it be noted that I admire Szell as a Mozart conductor and as a pianist. I just don't need to have everything he did, and also being of a different age than some and not US American by birth or upbringing I have not imprinted on his recordings the way some obviously have.
So, I am not offended, I am just puzzled and amused about the way some people want to get their cds for prices like $1.50, they're not going to do the deal if it's $1,51, and still they demand that everything is 100% perfect.

Consider what you just wrote from the point of view people who care
about the things you don't care about. Can you even see how
condescending you are? I'm sure we (well, not me....I paid 220 for the
Szell box) are happy to "amuse" you.
"You mean, let me understand this … cuz I … maybe its me, maybe I’m a
little fucked up maybe. I’m funny how? I mean funny, like I’m a clown? I
amuse you? I make you laugh? I’m here to fuckin’ amuse you? Whattya you
mean funny? Funny how? How am I funny?"

Someone recently saw Goodfellas!!!!!

Not recently. But many times.

n***@gmail.com

2018-12-07 18:25:21 UTC

Post by weary flake
You are offended by consumers describing products?

No I am not offended.

One could say I am somewhat puzzled and amused by this habit of some RMCR posters of obsessively posting over the physical details of cd packaging etc while hardly ever talking about what the music sounds like.
I realize this is, in many cases, because this is about recordings they have been familiar with for decades, and I think you hit the nail on the head with your use of the word "consumer".
I visit RMCR because I love classical music. Not because I am a consumer, with the concomitant wish to get things cheap, conveniently and in large quantities and without any surprises - which is why the Szelll box created so much excitement here, because it is all of those things.
Let it be noted that I admire Szell as a Mozart conductor and as a pianist. I just don't need to have everything he did, and also being of a different age than some and not US American by birth or upbringing I have not imprinted on his recordings the way some obviously have.
So, I am not offended, I am just puzzled and amused about the way some people want to get their cds for prices like $1.50, they're not going to do the deal if it's $1,51, and still they demand that everything is 100% perfect.

Consider what you just wrote from the point of view people who care
about the things you don't care about. Can you even see how
condescending you are? I'm sure we (well, not me....I paid 220 for the
Szell box) are happy to "amuse" you.
"You mean, let me understand this … cuz I … maybe its me, maybe I’m a
little fucked up maybe. I’m funny how? I mean funny, like I’m a clown? I
amuse you? I make you laugh? I’m here to fuckin’ amuse you? Whattya you
mean funny? Funny how? How am I funny?"

Someone recently saw Goodfellas!!!!!

Apparently still flying off their shelves, the $131.99 box is currently temporarily out of stock.

Oscar

2018-12-07 18:58:29 UTC

Post by n***@gmail.com
Apparently still flying off their shelves, the $131.99 box is currently temporarily out of stock.

Cabbage Patch Kids : 1983 :: Beanie babies : 1998 :: Szell box : 2018.

2018-12-05 20:18:33 UTC

Not a chance.
This is a classic RMCR genre concerning reissues of classic recordings in box form. It's a five step program.
1) Endless talk about the pricing and when one should jump in.
2) Endless complaining about the delivery dates.
3) Extended discussion of what the packaging looks like and the inconceivable damage done during shipping
4)Blow by blow nano-discussion of what the box looks like, and how the actual cd discs are sleeved.
5) Zero discussion of the actual musical performance, since in most case the music has been with the purchasers for fifty years or more.

would someone explain why one would purchase the Szell when there are many better sounding recordings of the same music?

AB

Mike

2018-12-05 20:25:26 UTC

For the musical enjoment with the collateral benefit of irritating jerks.

Frank Berger

2018-12-05 21:42:17 UTC

Post by AB

Not a chance.
This is a classic RMCR genre concerning reissues of classic recordings in box form. It's a five step program.
1) Endless talk about the pricing and when one should jump in.
2) Endless complaining about the delivery dates.
3) Extended discussion of what the packaging looks like and the inconceivable damage done during shipping
4)Blow by blow nano-discussion of what the box looks like, and how the actual cd discs are sleeved.
5) Zero discussion of the actual musical performance, since in most case the music has been with the purchasers for fifty years or more.

would someone explain why one would purchase the Szell when there are many better sounding recordings of the same music?
AB

Could you acquire an acceptable substitute collection of recordings (in
terms of performance and sound) for anywhere near $130?

Rich Sauer

2018-12-06 04:25:33 UTC

Post by Frank Berger
Could you acquire an acceptable substitute collection of recordings (in
terms of performance and sound) for anywhere near $130?

I acquired the Szell box when the price dropped to $133. Not since the pink-and-white Rubinstein edition sold for 104 dollars have we seen such a bargain.

Rich

Herman

2018-12-06 07:30:40 UTC

Post by AB
would someone explain why one would purchase the Szell when there are many better sounding recordings of the same music?
AB

because it's more cds at one go!

in fact so many cds you're not going to play them at all!

what could be better?

Rich Sauer

2018-12-06 14:46:02 UTC

Post by Herman
because it's more cds at one go!
in fact so many cds you're not going to play them at all!
what could be better?

Herman,

You're the moral conscience of RMCR.

Rich

Oscar

2018-12-06 19:19:34 UTC

Post by Rich Sauer
Herman,
You're the moral conscience of RMCR.

I wouldn't call an apologist for Dominique Strauss-Kahn and Stefan Arzberger of the Leipzig String Quartet—both dangerous men with histories of violence against women and assault—to be the moral conscience of anything. Personally speaking, of course.

Rich Sauer

2018-12-06 20:04:33 UTC

Post by Oscar
I wouldn't call an apologist for Dominique Strauss-Kahn and Stefan Arzberger of the Leipzig String Quartet—both dangerous men with histories of violence against women and assault—to be the moral conscience of anything. Personally speaking, of course.

Take heed of the Sage of RMCR ..He Wags his knowing finger at You

"Buy On, Buy On, Frank, Oscar;
Buy On, Buy On, tis all in vain..."

Herman

2018-12-07 07:38:04 UTC

Post by Oscar

Post by Rich Sauer
Herman,
You're the moral conscience of RMCR.

In reality I did not defend Strauss-Kahn.

I did say, like many others did (IRL), that Arzberger was drugged by someone in a bar and that he was not a violent man just because he's got a German name.

m***@gmail.com

2018-12-06 17:49:21 UTC

Post by AB
would someone explain why one would purchase the Szell when there are many better sounding recordings of the same music?
AB

If sound is one of your primary concerns, you may not want to pay for it, whatever the cost. If the sound of a particular orchestra is something you can appreciate despite vintage sound (dated they may be, most of the recordings here are in stereo, so this isn't that hard to do), then Szell and Clevelend were a unique, consistent partnership of remarkable discipline and control that deserves to he heard. No better place to start than Mozart. Yes, there are clunkers in the Szell discography- the somewhat lifeless Brahms symphonies, for instance. But the highs outweigh the lows and the box is a bargain by any measure.

weary flake

2018-12-06 20:45:06 UTC

Post by AB

would someone explain why one would purchase the Szell when there are
many better sounding recordings of the same music?

Be more specific. Are you saying that new recordings are always better
than old?

m***@gmail.com

2018-11-28 15:14:36 UTC

I think there's a point here, but don't you recognize a bit of irony in smacking down one discussion (which I don't think was entirely fruitless) to offer instead a complaint on the absence of liner notes?

I was listening to the first movement of the Firkusny Dvorak piano concerto this morning during my commute and couldn't have been happier with what I was hearing.

Bubbamike

2018-11-29 08:36:52 UTC

It's $180.84 because that's what a Third Party Seller is selling a used copy for and that is the lowest price it is available for on Amazon at the moment. If they restock it then I would expect the new price to go back down to $131 as I don't think it will get much lower than that.

Bubba

Bubbamike

2018-12-05 07:59:53 UTC

Post by Bubbamike

Why look, it's back down to $131 Amazing!

g***@gmail.com

2018-11-26 02:56:30 UTC