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The holocaust -50 reasons why it is bullshit
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F.Art.Ingatu
2003-07-04 22:09:05 UTC
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Here we go again!. Round about the early 19-fifties 2 million jews
were said to have perished during the war.
Then it crept up to 3 million, then five million, and later six
million.
I said in my last post on this subject that the propagandists must
have
decided they cannot push their luck any higher than that, and still
hold
the attention of a dubious Public.
Now up pops timmy with a new total.
That new total is now 12 million.
Thats the total of people murdered by the Nazis, not just Jews. After
all
the Nazis found all sorts of other people to murder. You in fact
mentioned
Gypsies, gays, and the chronically ill in your post.
What physical evidence do you have to support any of it?
Why do you keep asking that question? When presented with references to
physical evidence, such as the study by Polish researchers for which
links
have been posted multiple times of late, you ignore them.
Because it is not physical evidence.
So a study that details the excavation of large amounts of human remains is
not an example of physical evidence? In other words, as I noted recently,
you will only accept something as "physical evidence" if it can be somehow
magically made to appear in your own home.
It is no different from alien
abduction stories.
So some guy saying, "I got probed by an alien" is the equivalent of a peer
reviewed article detailing the methodology used to search for human remains
at various sites of Nazi camps in Poland, and the results of said research.
Sure, right, tell us another one. By your bizarre reasoning every scientific
study is invalid because you have not been directly presented with the
physical results of said studies.
You are to enamored with your fantasies to realize that.
Show the gas chambers. Be the first. Start a tradition.
Of course you are a gullible fool who does believe in biblical Israel
so you are a very stupid person.
And your examples of me believing in "biblical Israel," whatever that
actually means in your weird little mindset, are?
tim gueguen 101867
Is that your ex-RAF number?
If so, you joined in 1939/1940.
Sorry! I made a mistake with that number. I now observe it is a 6
figure number. Mine was a seven figure number. Therefore you joined in
peace time some time between WW1 and WW2.
Or perhaps you were flying stringbags in the Royal Flying Corps, or
perhaps enemy artillery-spotting sitting in a basket floating under a
big balloon in the early days of WW1 before stringbags were invented.
In that case you should by now be six feet under.
Doug.1143675. RAF 1940.
Mr. Doug,

this fanatical Jew's number, "tim gueguen 101867", represents either his
Birthday to be on Oct. 18th, 1967, which makes him way too young to be
any kind of reliable source and which explains why he talks only shit
and hear-say, or

if he was arguing back in the WWII days like he quarrels today then
it is not surprising that his behavior earned him his KZ# 101867.

if the latter is the case then his low (early) tattoo number and
his obvious survival of the holocaust calls into question the
12 million dead that gueguen is advocating in a recent post of his.

Hence it is indicative that this "gueguen" is nothing more than
F. Art Ingatu
Nick Kersdown
2003-07-05 10:31:20 UTC
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Post by F.Art.Ingatu
this fanatical Jew's number, "tim gueguen 101867",
I'm not Jewish. Gueguen is a Breton name. Not that I imagine you know what
a Breton is.
Post by F.Art.Ingatu
represents either his
Birthday to be on Oct. 18th, 1967, which makes him way too young to be
any kind of reliable source and which explains why he talks only shit
and hear-say, or
Alas, another idiot who denies the failed attempt to achieve the ultimate
goal of what one assumes is one of his idols, Herr Hitler.
tim gueguen 101867
If that is your birthday, it makes you 35 - hardly 'too young to be any kind
of reliable source' is it?
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tim gueguen
2003-07-05 21:15:48 UTC
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Post by F.Art.Ingatu
this fanatical Jew's number, "tim gueguen 101867",
I'm not Jewish. Gueguen is a Breton name. Not that I imagine you know what
a Breton is.
Post by F.Art.Ingatu
represents either his
Birthday to be on Oct. 18th, 1967, which makes him way too young to be
any kind of reliable source and which explains why he talks only shit
and hear-say, or
Alas, another idiot who denies the failed attempt to achieve the ultimate
goal of what one assumes is one of his idols, Herr Hitler.
tim gueguen 101867
If that is your birthday, it makes you 35 - hardly 'too young to be any kind
of reliable source' is it?
Nah, what he means is that I was too young to be there personally. Of
course neither was he presumably, or else he wouldn't be writing that
nonsense

tim gueguen 1018967.
hi
2019-05-12 19:30:49 UTC
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We need to all take the AP World History Exam and write about why the Holocaust was false in the essay question. Then college board will realize they shouldn't be teaching kids this drivel.
Arindam Banerjee
2019-05-13 02:47:42 UTC
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Post by hi
We need to all take the AP World History Exam and write about why the Holocaust was false in the essay question. Then college board will realize they shouldn't be teaching kids this drivel.
Huh? Einstein was a bungler who managed to escape the Holocaust. Like other top German Jews who made the atom bomb which has the potential to destroy humanity. They are all greatly belov, though.
Mitch Raemsch
2019-05-13 03:38:32 UTC
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Post by Arindam Banerjee
Post by hi
We need to all take the AP World History Exam and write about why the Holocaust was false in the essay question. Then college board will realize they shouldn't be teaching kids this drivel.
Huh? Einstein was a bungler who managed to escape the Holocaust. Like other top German Jews who made the atom bomb which has the potential to destroy humanity. They are all greatly belov, though.
The other scientists were immoral. They did not belong with Albert Einstein.
Don't blame Einstein for something he repented for. Even though it was
the greatest thing to happen to Japan.

God is creating gravity.

Mitchell Raemsch
Arindam Banerjee
2019-05-13 06:04:00 UTC
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Post by Mitch Raemsch
Post by Arindam Banerjee
Post by hi
We need to all take the AP World History Exam and write about why the Holocaust was false in the essay question. Then college board will realize they shouldn't be teaching kids this drivel.
Huh? Einstein was a bungler who managed to escape the Holocaust. Like other top German Jews who made the atom bomb which has the potential to destroy humanity. They are all greatly belov, though.
The other scientists were immoral. They did not belong with Albert Einstein.
Don't blame Einstein for something he repented for. Even though it was
the greatest thing to happen to Japan.
God is creating gravity.
Mitchell Raemsch
Jolly well Einstein should be blamed. He wrote to the POTUS about the atom bomb development, starting it all, the nuclear age which can kill billions. Most evil person in history, potentially unless they throw out all nukes. Another matter that his crappy physics had nothing to do with the bomb which like all explosions and energy matter interaction works on my formula e=0.5mvN(N-k)v.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
sergIo
2019-05-13 13:52:08 UTC
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Post by Arindam Banerjee
Post by Mitch Raemsch
Post by Arindam Banerjee
Post by hi
We need to all take the AP World History Exam and write about why the Holocaust was false in the essay question. Then college board will realize they shouldn't be teaching kids this drivel.
Huh? Einstein was a bungler who managed to escape the Holocaust. Like other top German Jews who made the atom bomb which has the potential to destroy humanity. They are all greatly belov, though.
The other scientists were immoral. They did not belong with Albert Einstein.
Don't blame Einstein for something he repented for. Even though it was
the greatest thing to happen to Japan.
God is creating gravity.
Mitchell Raemsch
Jolly well Einstein should be blamed. He wrote to the POTUS about the atom bomb development, starting it all, the nuclear age which can kill billions. Most evil person in history, potentially unless they throw out all nukes. Another matter that his crappy physics had nothing to do with the bomb which like all explosions and energy matter interaction works on my formula e=0.5mvN(N-k)v.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
Einstein was fighting the Nazi's, he did not want the Nazis to take over
the world.
Arindam Banerjee
2019-05-13 22:04:56 UTC
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Post by sergIo
Post by Arindam Banerjee
Post by Mitch Raemsch
Post by Arindam Banerjee
Post by hi
We need to all take the AP World History Exam and write about why the Holocaust was false in the essay question. Then college board will realize they shouldn't be teaching kids this drivel.
Huh? Einstein was a bungler who managed to escape the Holocaust. Like other top German Jews who made the atom bomb which has the potential to destroy humanity. They are all greatly belov, though.
The other scientists were immoral. They did not belong with Albert Einstein.
Don't blame Einstein for something he repented for. Even though it was
the greatest thing to happen to Japan.
God is creating gravity.
Mitchell Raemsch
Jolly well Einstein should be blamed. He wrote to the POTUS about the atom bomb development, starting it all, the nuclear age which can kill billions. Most evil person in history, potentially unless they throw out all nukes. Another matter that his crappy physics had nothing to do with the bomb which like all explosions and energy matter interaction works on my formula e=0.5mvN(N-k)v.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
Einstein was fighting the Nazi's, he did not want the Nazis to take over
the world.
There are always good reasons to do evil.
sergIo
2019-05-15 00:51:27 UTC
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Post by Arindam Banerjee
Post by sergIo
Post by Arindam Banerjee
Post by Mitch Raemsch
Post by Arindam Banerjee
Post by hi
We need to all take the AP World History Exam and write about why the Holocaust was false in the essay question. Then college board will realize they shouldn't be teaching kids this drivel.
Huh? Einstein was a bungler who managed to escape the Holocaust. Like other top German Jews who made the atom bomb which has the potential to destroy humanity. They are all greatly belov, though.
The other scientists were immoral. They did not belong with Albert Einstein.
Don't blame Einstein for something he repented for. Even though it was
the greatest thing to happen to Japan.
God is creating gravity.
Mitchell Raemsch
Jolly well Einstein should be blamed. He wrote to the POTUS about the atom bomb development, starting it all, the nuclear age which can kill billions. Most evil person in history, potentially unless they throw out all nukes. Another matter that his crappy physics had nothing to do with the bomb which like all explosions and energy matter interaction works on my formula e=0.5mvN(N-k)v.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
Einstein was fighting the Nazi's, he did not want the Nazis to take over
the world.
There are always good reasons to do evil.
but with AOC there are stupid reasons to do evil.
Billy Carter
2019-05-13 14:10:57 UTC
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Worng newsgruop, you retarded lunatic.
sergIo
2019-05-15 00:52:13 UTC
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Post by Billy Carter
Worng newsgruop, you retarded lunatic.
you spelt Worng Worng <snoodles>
John Biggs
2023-12-19 00:19:18 UTC
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50 reasons why you should not believe in the holocaust .It is our duty
to emancipate our fellow humans from the most evil lie ever concocted.
It can take weeks or even years for people to get over the shock of
finding out that the holocaust did not happen.
Here are some of the simpler reasons.
Arthur Butz discusses how looking back afterwards many arguments will
seem obvious. www.ihr.org has his book " The Hoax of the xxth century"
online.
He discusses the Donation of Constantine hoax and how those who
debunked it used complicated arguments when with the benefit of
hindsight it looks like they overlooked more simple explanations.
The problem is power. People didn't question the donation of
Constantine even though there were obvious reasons for it to be false.
Control of information is a vital ingredient of religious power.
The mass media performs the role the church did in the medieval world.
If you have media power you can make people believe anything, remember
Orson Wells's war of the worlds? All people had to do in that case was
turn the dial on their radio. In many cases I find when leafleting
that the problem is that people don't want to realise that the world
is so corrupt that History can be fabricated, they would rather
rationalise revisionism away. This is why ZOGs imprison revisionists,
to exploit this tendency. The Holocaust itself is so ridiculous that
the fact that people are out questioning it is enough to wake up many
people. Just to ask someone sharply " Are you really so stupid that
you believed the human soap lie?" is often enough to wake them up. The
media has been used to create a mass psychosis.
It is obvious to me that the holocaust satisfies some deep
psychological needs in over-socialised people. Subconsciously most
people I have leafleted have been woken up, but the political
correctness totalitarianism, which has descended on the west, makes
progress slow.
Here are some of the arguments against the claim that the Nazis
murdered 6 million Jews.
0: Common sense if we had not all been hypnotised or intimidated into
committing the logical fallacy of argument from authority. No proof
has even been given that 6 million were murdered.
1:Butz's argument: At the end of the war they were still there.
Douglas reed also mentions this in his book "Far and wide". The United
Nations figure for Jewish world population given in 1947 was the same
as that given by the League of Nations in 1938.So not that many Jews
died in the war, not millions anyway.
2:Most people can't understand that the media is not their friend, and
has lied to them. They give an ostrich response and are neither
intelligent enough nor brave enough to face the world without
comforting fantasies. www.ussliberty.org one of the most brazen
examples of media cover-up. www.ukar.org plenty of others.
Media lied in WW1 and the British apologised afterwards.
3:People can't understand how so many eyewitnesses can lie, they have
seen the television programmes.
Well until 1960 the holocaust lobby said there were death camps all
over Western Europe and there were plenty of witnesses to that, e.g.
Dr blaha at Nuremberg. Then gas chambers were quietly dropped except
at those camps where the commies could keep scrutiny out.
An Orwellian rewriting of History was effected and all our university
Historians and Media swallowed it like the whores they are.
No evidence was given for this change, just one letter by martin
brozstat in der zeit. A good article on this can be found at
www.faem.com by Major Stano called "House of Orwell".
This is an argument I have found effective with some people if I can
keep their attention on it. Too often people are intimidated by
political correctness. Totem and taboo, these born slaves are
genetically stuck down in Plato's cave.
Another example of the brazen orwelling of history is the change of
the plaque at Auschwitz.
4:Basic laws of chemistry and physics preclude Holocaust from having
happened. Leucter etc .No Cyanide traces in alleged gas chambers. The
establishment in Germany recently conceded this point see
www.fpp.co.uk
In a sane society people would not have to disprove what common sense
should be enough to tell you. The biggest psychological barrier people
have to cross is the realisation that their society really is that
corrupt, not anything to do with the holocaust story itself, which is
really far fetched.
6: Revisionists have been imprisoned .If the holocaust was true it
would be possible to have an open debate as those with the truth hav
nothing to fear from debate.
The lack of debate is indicative of a religious dogma, liberalism
becoming a religion because of the power of the media to control info.
Neo-nazis would be celebrating the holocaust if I were true, not
denying it. Or they would ignore it and blame it on one person like
the left blames all its sins on Stalin. The three Jewish mass murders
Trotsky, Lenin and Kaganovich are never mentioned.
The fact that the media in the west suppressed information about the
Jewishness of communism in the USSR was actually a causal factor of
WW2.The holocaust is the tip of the iceberg of suppressed xxth century
history.
7:The state of Israel would not exist if the holocaust had happened.
World Jewry would have been too weakened.
8:The falsification of documents by the allies. Most people haven't
examined Nuremberg proceedings.
It takes about 5 minutes of reading the Nuremberg documents to realise
that the holocaust is a hoax www.cwporter.com
9:Use of torture by allies in 糎ar crimes trials', commented upon by
Senator McCarthy. Witch trial methods same methods proving similar
impossibilities.
10:British letters by British ministry of Information, statements by
Sefton Delmer.
Anyone Reading these would understand the politics involved and why
the hoax was necessary for the allies.
11:Falsification of Photos and their use in books and television
programmes. For example Spielberg's survivor programme used false
photos exposed by Udo Walendy to prop up weak survivor
testimony.www.ukar.org has good article on this.
12:Violation of Occam's razor , again and again. See Jurgen Graf's
demolition of Hilberg's book.
Absurd rationalisations needed, Germans supposed to speak in code,
when allies spoke bluntly of mass murder of Germans.
13:Quoting a few of the eyewitnesses is a good persuader, and don't
let the audience rationalise the examples away, for example the
witnesses Hilberg uses in his 租efinitive' book.
Elie Wiesel (who was given Nobel Prize) supposedly in Auschwitz but he
never saw as chambers. Muller and bucket of jumping human flesh,
lengyal and human sausages. Friedman in zundel trial and colour-coded
smoke by country of origin. Wiesels geysers of blood.
And so on.
14:Red cross report from 1948 spoke of 300000 deaths in camps mainly
of disease, so holocaust not possible. Vatican also did not support
allied genocide claims. Butz's elephant in my basement argument. " I
do not see an elephant in my basement, an elephant could not be
concealed from sight in my basement, therefore there is no elephant in
my basement"
15: The dropping of early absurdities such as steam chambers and
electrocution platforms. This is not History but propaganda.
Famous Pravda article on Auschwitz.
16:Obvious Zionist need for the holocaust, though as most people are
politically retarded this will go over their heads.
17:Need of entrenched oligarchies for the Hoax. False democracy
possible, opposition is tabooed out of existence.
18:No budget, plan or order documentation for any genocide.
19:All the eyewitnesses who testify that there were no gas chambers or
genocide are ignored or even imprisoned.
20: Much bigger crimes (and ones that actually occurred at that) are
ignored, so there is something odd about the holocaust. The Holocaust
lobby shot themselves in the foot, inadvertently damning themselves
with overemphasis.
I remember as a child resenting that my history book called the
killing of 6 million Jews 奏he most terrible crime in history'. Why
would it be? Are Jewish lives worth more or something?
And if we are westerners why should we give a damn?
Only bolshevised westerners would have any problem with Hitler gassing
6 million Jews anyway. The Jews celebrate those who kill for them such
as Baruch Goldstein and they are right to do so!
Why 500 films about it and none about gulags?
Something is rotten in Denmark!
That the fantastical 6 million are treated as if they were 200 million
should trigger some awareness on some level.
21:It created a myth or liberal righteousness, which many vested
interests have found empowering; it allows every inverted group to
whine against the old patriarchal western civilisation. It allows
lefty sociologist to plot and execute the eradication of the old
morality. It allows the cultural bolshevising of the west. This
argument goes over most people's heads. People with a priestly
character will defend the myths they find empowering. Their will to
power requires the holocaust. They don't care if its true as long as
it is believed to be true. They are scum in other words. University
Historians have dug a hole so deep for themselves they don't have the
courage to even read revisionist books yet alone behave honourably.
22:The myth has made a lot of money for Israel; they defend the source
of their tribute payments. Jews dominate Hollywood and American media
and the American media has world wide influence. The Holocaust makes
Jews immune to criticism. It made state of Israel possible.
The English speaking world is a de-facto Jewish Empire.
Revisionism reveals the tyranny because it reveals the source of the
propaganda and demonstrates the fraudulent nature of democracy.
23:The media and academia obey because the power is above them, at
government level. The carrot and stick are their to make people obey,
and while many are disgusted, they are plenty left to become
lecturers, editors etc This is all out in the open in the 90's
rationalised under political correctness. Governments obey like the
Swiss did because of the power of international Jewry, which after all
won WW2 even if their serfs aren't allowed to know it consciously.
24:Where are all the ashes, where did the Germans get all the fuel?
Most people are scientifically illiterate so the scientific
impossibilities go over their heads.
There would be mountains of ashes but there are none.
25:Real war criminals like Solomon Morel are not prosecuted or even
heard of. Hence the society is corrupt and so such a fraud is
plausible.
See john Sack's "An eye for an eye"
26:This is the kind of rubbish people believe in, man is a religious
animal and the holocaust is sold as a religion.
Many people need to feel guilty.
People are gullible and stupid.
If most people believe it, it isn't necessarily fact. Remember Middle
Ages.
27:If the Nazis wanted to exterminate the Jews they could have easily
just shot them pits like the judeo-bolshevicks did, instead of wasting
valuable resources transporting them.
If the nazis wanted to exterminate them, then as Heinz Weichardt, a
German Jew, said they could have simply put up signs in the east
declaring open season on Jews because Ukrainians etc all wanted
revenge for what the Jews had done to them.
In fact the Germans applied the rule of law fairly and countless Jews
alive today owe their lives to them.
28:Admiral Canaris was head of German Intelligence, and a traitor.
If there had been a Genocide policy he would have told the allies.
Hence there was no Genocide policy.
Similarly as politically Germany was divided between conservatives,
many of who betrayed Hitler, and Nazis. It would be fair to assume
that any Genocide policy would have not been politically realistic.
German officers obeyed Hague and Geneva conventions and Manstein did
not even implement commissar order to execute mass murdering communist
commissars.
29: Nazis did not think that way. The only people talking Genocide
were communists like Ilya Ehrenburg and American Jewish leaders.
Nazis did business with Zionists and top Nazis wanted to have Der
Sturmer closed as an embarrassment. All the evidence is for an
emigration policy.
30: Psychological war was judged as having won the first world war so
there was a chance it would be used again. Atrocity propaganda is very
effective. It was used in Gulf war also. Kuwaiti baby story later
admitted false. Only limit is the credulity of the public.
31:Zionists needed anti-goy propaganda to get the Jews to go to Israel
and the mobilise them. The Holocaust is the basis of Jewish identity
today.
32:Atrocity propaganda was needed to cover Morganthau's genocidal
agenda towards Germany. His aim was to starve 30 million Germans.
Obliteration propaganda. Allies murdered millions of Germans under
cover of the holocaust propaganda.
33: The amount of compensation claims towards Germany is itself proof
that there was no genocide. Finkelstein mentions this.
Clearly there is a fraud one way or the other when something like 4
million have recieved cash from Germany.
34:The parallels with religious arguments should make intelligent
people suspicious. No evidence, oh it all went up in smoke, how
convenient. Similar to resurrection religious beliefs. In the logical
no-mans land, irrefutable but ridiculous.
In this case we have 6 million Jews summoned into existence who are
not shown to have any demographic reality.
A ghost army of 6 million a bit like emperor chin's terracotta
warriors.
35:The blatant bias in the media wakes up intelligent people but
intimidates them also. It was obvious to me as a teenager that the
wrong side won but it was only when I found out that the holocaust did
not happen did I realise that the decision of WW2 must be reversed
somehow or western civilisation is doomed to oblivion.
The fact that you have never seen a programme giving the Nazis side is
proof that we live in a Totalitarian society where large scale frauds
are possible.
36:Type of gas used would be a mad choice, and diesel is almost
impossible to kill with. Even Patrick Buchanan commented that you
can't gas people with diesel after an incident where people survived
for hours in a train tunnel constantly exposed to diesel fumes. Zyklon
was used to save lives. Germans had producer gas and this could easily
be used to gas people. The fact that the holocaust story claims two
impractical gassing methods proves it is a fraud.
37: Holocaust historians such as Hilberg and Davidowitz give totally
different figures for the numbers allegedly killed in camps and no
evidence. Yet we are supposed to take their guesses as evidence and
history.
38: Not a single gassed body has ever been produced and no one has
ever been charged with operating a gas chamber.
39:The holocaust is an example of the big lie theory. Once you
understand how it works you can see it being used everyday on
television. Hitler was the genius who first described it and gave an
example of its use by the Jewish media in Mein Kamph.
40: Germans highly civilised and more so than the Brits etc.
Only an idiot would believe in stories such as lampshades of human
skin and soap. But Nizkor still defends lampshade story and Yad yashem
talks of a rumour about Ilse koch and lampshades.
Discovery channel still repeats this nonsense. BBC repeated soap claim
a few weeks ago. Lipstadt and others have abandoned soap story even
though it was used at Nuremberg.
41: Germans needed labour.
42:Hitler ordered solution of Jewish problem postponed till after the
war.
43:Films like pawnbroker and war and remembrance claim Jewish women
were used as whores by Germans but it was illegal for a German to have
sex with a Jew by the time of the war 喪acial defilement'
44: Schindler's list gives impression that Jews could be shot out of
hand but Germans were execute for killing Jews, law was applied
fairly.
45:Jews could avoid going to camps through baptism, if the Nazis had a
Genocide program this would not make sense.
46: Hungarian Jewish leaders led their people to the camps in 1944
even though the allies and the Zionists and communists had been going
on about gassings and mass murder since 1942. The Jews themselves did
not believe the stories.
47:Stony silence about allied war crimes from all information sources.
Once you realise this and have heard a few of the allied atrocities
you must also doubt whether you have been told the truth about the
Germans.
48:Ask your local Historians and Journalists and see their response.
Ask them whether they would be willing to sign a document stating
their belief in the gas chambers. Their mad neurotic responses will be
more proof than any of the above.
49:If the Allies started the war and did terrible things, their only
option would to be to lie. It has worked for them hasn't it?
50:Reinhold Elstner burnt himself alive in protest against the
holocaust lies. There is something wrong with a country that jails its
old soldiers and doesn't even give a decent burial to the million
Germans murdered by Eisenhower and buried all over the Rhine meadows.
Germany and Italy are still occupied by the enemy. German farmers are
told to shut up if they find bones and try to arrange their burial.
from www.davidnoone.cjb.net
Better yet. I can give you 109 reasons why it needs to happen.

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