Should atheism be promoted in EU schools?

Should atheism be promoted in schools?

Malte Runz

2017-03-07 22:11:40 UTC

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

Not believing something, just because it is written in a book that
some people claim is the word of the creator of the universe, should
definitely be promoted.

--
Malte Runz

Mattb.

2017-03-08 03:17:23 UTC

On Tue, 07 Mar 2017 23:11:40 +0100, Malte Runz

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

Not believing something, just because it is written in a book that
some people claim is the word of the creator of the universe, should
definitely be promoted.

I do not want any religious belief from atheism to theist promoted in
schools. The most I think is OK is a very basic idea of what each one
believes.

Kevrob

2017-03-08 21:18:35 UTC

Post by Mattb.
On Tue, 07 Mar 2017 23:11:40 +0100, Malte Runz

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

Not believing something, just because it is written in a book that
some people claim is the word of the creator of the universe, should
definitely be promoted.

I do not want any religious belief from atheism to theist promoted in
schools. The most I think is OK is a very basic idea of what each one
believes.

Atheism isn't a religious belief.

Thos EU countries who haven't disestablished their chhurches
should do that first. Then they should privatize their schools.
Then let the parents pick a school, religiously oriented, or not.

It's nobody's business what some other families' kids get taught
about religion, or freedom of religion is meaningless.

Kevin R

Mattb.

2017-03-08 23:18:04 UTC

Post by Mattb.
On Tue, 07 Mar 2017 23:11:40 +0100, Malte Runz

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

Not believing something, just because it is written in a book that
some people claim is the word of the creator of the universe, should
definitely be promoted.

I do not want any religious belief from atheism to theist promoted in
schools. The most I think is OK is a very basic idea of what each one
believes.

Atheism isn't a religious belief.

The words and actions of some atheist make me believe it is. Why
would they get as hateful as say Duke if it wasn't?

Post by Kevrob
Thos EU countries who haven't disestablished their chhurches
should do that first. Then they should privatize their schools.
Then let the parents pick a school, religiously oriented, or not.

My kids went to both private and public and the government had no part
in those decisions.

Post by Kevrob
It's nobody's business what some other families' kids get taught
about religion, or freedom of religion is meaningless.

True but what they are taught outside the family and in a forced
environment such as a school.

Post by Kevrob
Kevin R

Alex W.

2017-03-09 00:06:56 UTC

Post by Mattb.
On Tue, 07 Mar 2017 23:11:40 +0100, Malte Runz

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

Not believing something, just because it is written in a book that
some people claim is the word of the creator of the universe, should
definitely be promoted.

I do not want any religious belief from atheism to theist promoted in
schools. The most I think is OK is a very basic idea of what each one
believes.

I wouldn't even bother with disestablishing churches. For one thing,
this would mean a massive legal headache because for most if not all of
them it would require a change in the constitution. For another,
established churches are de-fanged. They are by their very nature part
of the formal fabric of the state and thus have to work within the
secular framework and abide by its rules and ethos -- which is very much
secular. In practice, this results in established churches being little
more than another state provider of social services -- and many people
do appreciate them as such.

Also note the example of the US, where religion has been unestablished
from the very beginning and where the competition of the marketplace (as
it were) has resulted in far more active and virulent religious
activity. Being free from the strictures of the state, American
religions have been able to breed and grow in all sorts of weird ways
which are, IMO, far more of a threat to society than the established
churches of England or Denmark (the latter being, by some measure, the
most secular nation on the planet).

Olrik

2017-03-08 04:37:41 UTC

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

It already is : they teach you that the Greek Gods are myths, and you
should not believe in them. Thus, atheism regarding the Greek Gods.

--
Olrik
aa #1981
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division

Mattb.

2017-03-08 03:41:40 UTC

Post by Olrik

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

It already is : they teach you that the Greek Gods are myths, and you
should not believe in them. Thus, atheism regarding the Greek Gods.

What scientific test do they use to prove atheism is correct?

Olrik

2017-03-08 05:05:13 UTC

Post by Olrik

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

It already is : they teach you that the Greek Gods are myths, and you
should not believe in them. Thus, atheism regarding the Greek Gods.

What scientific test do they use to prove atheism is correct?

None.

It's the default position of every human.

Do you chose the mixture of gases you breathe?

--
Olrik
aa #1981
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division

Mattb.

2017-03-08 04:49:49 UTC

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

It already is : they teach you that the Greek Gods are myths, and you
should not believe in them. Thus, atheism regarding the Greek Gods.

What scientific test do they use to prove atheism is correct?

None.
It's the default position of every human.
Do you chose the mixture of gases you breathe?

Then you only have your claim and no actual evidence, Then be teach
correctly both Atheism and Theism are beliefs and not provable.

Olrik

2017-03-08 05:13:10 UTC

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

It already is : they teach you that the Greek Gods are myths, and you
should not believe in them. Thus, atheism regarding the Greek Gods.

What scientific test do they use to prove atheism is correct?

None.
It's the default position of every human.
Do you chose the mixture of gases you breathe?

Then you only have your claim and no actual evidence,

What claim did I made?

Post by Mattb.
Then be teach
correctly both Atheism and Theism are beliefs and not provable.

That's like asking me to prove I don't believe there's a Red Dragon at
the centre of the Moon.

Or even asking me to prove I don't like Brussels sprouts.

--
Olrik
aa #1981
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division

Mattb.

2017-03-08 17:13:11 UTC

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

It already is : they teach you that the Greek Gods are myths, and you
should not believe in them. Thus, atheism regarding the Greek Gods.

What scientific test do they use to prove atheism is correct?

None.
It's the default position of every human.
Do you chose the mixture of gases you breathe?

Then you only have your claim and no actual evidence,

What claim did I made?

Post by Mattb.
Then be teach
correctly both Atheism and Theism are beliefs and not provable.

That's like asking me to prove I don't believe there's a Red Dragon at
the centre of the Moon.
Or even asking me to prove I don't like Brussels sprouts.

I agree and yet you still can't say there is and has never been a
being called a god is reality. Maybe it is like proving the existence
of bacteria during the middle ages. We lack the Tech.

Now if you ask me if I believe there is a god in any organized
religion I'd say no. Both RCC and Islam are proof of low morals of
these institutions. Believe as we say or die although some atheist
believe the same and have the same low morals.

Kevrob

2017-03-08 21:20:42 UTC

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

It already is : they teach you that the Greek Gods are myths, and you
should not believe in them. Thus, atheism regarding the Greek Gods.

What scientific test do they use to prove atheism is correct?

None.
It's the default position of every human.
Do you chose the mixture of gases you breathe?

Then you only have your claim and no actual evidence, Then be teach
correctly both Atheism and Theism are beliefs and not provable.

You might want try teach self English grammar, not worry `bout
ghodz teaching or not, kemo sabe.

Apologies if English isn't your first language, but this is an
English-language group. Try to keep up. Google translate might
help.

Kevin R

Mattb.

2017-03-08 23:20:26 UTC

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

It already is : they teach you that the Greek Gods are myths, and you
should not believe in them. Thus, atheism regarding the Greek Gods.

What scientific test do they use to prove atheism is correct?

None.
It's the default position of every human.
Do you chose the mixture of gases you breathe?

Then you only have your claim and no actual evidence, Then be teach
correctly both Atheism and Theism are beliefs and not provable.

You might want try teach self English grammar, not worry `bout
ghodz teaching or not, kemo sabe.
Apologies if English isn't your first language, but this is an
English-language group. Try to keep up. Google translate might
help.

YAWN. I'm one of the deplorable.

Post by Kevrob
Kevin R

Cloud Hobbit

2017-03-08 05:42:56 UTC

They do not need any kind of test to prove atheism correct.
Just wait for the theists to provide some evidence that their belefs are built on a house of cards, kept in place these days by liars and morons.
Any belief in the supernatural is the same. There has NEVER been any evidence that any of it is true. After getting educated on how to think in ways that don't contradict each other such a test for atheism would hardly be necessary. It would be as obvious to most people as it is to us. No evidence equals no deity.

Mattb.

2017-03-08 20:28:38 UTC

On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 21:42:56 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit
They do not need any kind of test to prove atheism correct.
Just wait for the theists to provide some evidence that their belefs are built on a house of cards, kept in place these days by liars and morons.
Any belief in the supernatural is the same. There has NEVER been any evidence that any of it is true. After getting educated on how to think in ways that don't contradict each other such a test for atheism would hardly be necessary. It would be as obvious to most people as it is to us. No evidence equals no deity.

Yet that isn't proof.

Kevrob

2017-03-08 21:30:21 UTC

Post by Mattb.
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 21:42:56 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit

Yet that isn't proof.

He who asserts the existence of such beings needs to provide
the evidence.

She who declines to assert the non-existence of such things is
not required to provide evidence. It is enough to not be convinced
by those making the assertions.

Why is that so hard to get through theist skulls? Is it all the
beatings they take as youngsters for not saying their prayers
correctly?

Kevin R

Mattb.

2017-03-08 23:23:55 UTC

Post by Mattb.
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 21:42:56 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit

Yet that isn't proof.

He who asserts the existence of such beings needs to provide
the evidence.

Should apply the same to all science?

Post by Kevrob
She who declines to assert the non-existence of such things is
not required to provide evidence. It is enough to not be convinced
by those making the assertions.
Why is that so hard to get through theist skulls? Is it all the
beatings they take as youngsters for not saying their prayers
correctly?

No idea and religion is not a god. A religion is a group of people
who think alike and normally have a list of members. Not on the list
you are BAD.

Post by Kevrob
Kevin R

Smiler

2017-03-09 00:36:14 UTC

Post by Mattb.
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 21:42:56 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit
They do not need any kind of test to prove atheism correct.
Just wait for the theists to provide some evidence that their belefs are
built on a house of cards, kept in place these days by liars and morons.
Any belief in the supernatural is the same. There has NEVER been any
evidence that any of it is true. After getting educated on how to think
in ways that don't contradict each other such a test for atheism would
hardly be necessary. It would be as obvious to most people as it is to
us. No evidence equals no deity.

Yet that isn't proof.

Correct. There is no proof of any god(s).

--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

Mattb.

2017-03-09 00:46:37 UTC

Post by Mattb.
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 21:42:56 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit
They do not need any kind of test to prove atheism correct.
Just wait for the theists to provide some evidence that their belefs are
built on a house of cards, kept in place these days by liars and morons.
Any belief in the supernatural is the same. There has NEVER been any
evidence that any of it is true. After getting educated on how to think
in ways that don't contradict each other such a test for atheism would
hardly be necessary. It would be as obvious to most people as it is to
us. No evidence equals no deity.

Yet that isn't proof.

Correct. There is no proof of any god(s).

True.

Your Founding Fathers Erred

2017-03-09 16:38:22 UTC

Post by Mattb.
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 21:42:56 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit
They do not need any kind of test to prove atheism correct.
Just wait for the theists to provide some evidence that their belefs are
built on a house of cards, kept in place these days by liars and morons.
Any belief in the supernatural is the same. There has NEVER been any
evidence that any of it is true. After getting educated on how to think
in ways that don't contradict each other such a test for atheism would
hardly be necessary. It would be as obvious to most people as it is to
us. No evidence equals no deity.

Yet that isn't proof.

Correct. There is no proof of any god(s).

True.

You're such a loser....

Mattb.

2017-03-09 18:53:52 UTC

On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 08:38:22 -0800 (PST), Your Founding Fathers Erred

Post by Mattb.
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 21:42:56 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit
They do not need any kind of test to prove atheism correct.
Just wait for the theists to provide some evidence that their belefs are
built on a house of cards, kept in place these days by liars and morons.
Any belief in the supernatural is the same. There has NEVER been any
evidence that any of it is true. After getting educated on how to think
in ways that don't contradict each other such a test for atheism would
hardly be necessary. It would be as obvious to most people as it is to
us. No evidence equals no deity.

Yet that isn't proof.

Correct. There is no proof of any god(s).

True.

You're such a loser....

There is that arrogance again.

Provide proof for either argument.

Your Founding Fathers Erred

2017-03-09 16:37:40 UTC

Post by Mattb.
Yet that isn't proof.

Correct. There is no proof of any god(s).

There is a proof for the God of Abraham, ONE, and Eternal.
If you don't see it, then you should start blaming your ignorance for looking at a wrong place.

Post by Smiler
--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

Mattb.

2017-03-09 18:52:48 UTC

On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 08:37:40 -0800 (PST), Your Founding Fathers Erred

Post by Mattb.
Yet that isn't proof.

Correct. There is no proof of any god(s).

There is a proof for the God of Abraham, ONE, and Eternal.
If you don't see it, then you should start blaming your ignorance for looking at a wrong place.

Then show this proof.

You believe by faith.

Post by Smiler
--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

Your Founding Fathers Erred

2017-03-09 19:44:35 UTC

Post by Mattb.
On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 08:37:40 -0800 (PST), Your Founding Fathers Erred

Post by Mattb.
Yet that isn't proof.

Correct. There is no proof of any god(s).

There is a proof for the God of Abraham, ONE, and Eternal.
If you don't see it, then you should start blaming your ignorance for looking at a wrong place.

Then show this proof.
You believe by faith.

For a Gentile like myself to discard all my idols, and polytheism to embrace the God of Abraham through the story about Jesus the Jewish Messiah whom Israel rejected, there is enough evidence. Conspiracy would have involved the Jews to be successful. Yet the very fact that His kingship or Messiahship is rejected by His own people is enough proof for a working brain.

Post by Smiler
--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

Jeanne Douglas

2017-03-10 01:20:03 UTC

Post by Mattb.
On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 08:37:40 -0800 (PST), Your Founding Fathers Erred

Post by Mattb.
Yet that isn't proof.

Correct. There is no proof of any god(s).

There is a proof for the God of Abraham, ONE, and Eternal.
If you don't see it, then you should start blaming your ignorance for
looking at a wrong place.

Then show this proof.
You believe by faith.

For a Gentile like myself to discard all my idols, and polytheism to embrace
the God of Abraham through the story about Jesus the Jewish Messiah whom
Israel rejected, there is enough evidence.

Where?

--
JD

"May your winter feast be an orgy of delight"
-- The Big Furry, Late Show with Stephen
Colbert

Christopher A. Lee

2017-03-10 01:40:56 UTC

On Thu, 09 Mar 2017 17:20:03 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

Post by Jeanne Douglas

Post by Mattb.
On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 08:37:40 -0800 (PST), Your Founding Fathers Erred

Post by Mattb.
Yet that isn't proof.

Correct. There is no proof of any god(s).

There is a proof for the God of Abraham, ONE, and Eternal.
If you don't see it, then you should start blaming your ignorance for
looking at a wrong place.

Then show this proof.
You believe by faith.

For a Gentile like myself to discard all my idols, and polytheism to embrace
the God of Abraham through the story about Jesus the Jewish Messiah whom
Israel rejected, there is enough evidence.

Where?

Jesus wouldn't have been the Jewish Messiah, because (even if there
were such a person) he didn't free the Jews from Roman occupation.

Christianity appropriated the term and redefined it from the original
meaning - and Jesus fits the redefinition, not the original.

Jeanne Douglas

2017-03-10 01:19:32 UTC

Post by Mattb.
Yet that isn't proof.

Correct. There is no proof of any god(s).

There is a proof for the God of Abraham, ONE, and Eternal.

Let's see it.

--
JD

"May your winter feast be an orgy of delight"
-- The Big Furry, Late Show with Stephen
Colbert

Cloud Hobbit

2017-03-14 04:12:24 UTC

Post by Mattb.
Yet that isn't proof.

Correct. There is no proof of any god(s).

There is a proof for the God of Abraham, ONE, and Eternal.
If you don't see it, then you should start blaming your ignorance for looking at a wrong place.

I prefer to blame the idiots who created all these myths and the stupidity it created.

Post by Smiler
--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

Davej

2017-03-08 15:38:47 UTC

Post by Mattb.
[...]
What scientific test do they use to prove atheism is correct?

You're the one making the insane claim that "atheism" is
taught in the schools. How do you teach atheism?

Christopher A. Lee

2017-03-08 15:42:44 UTC

Post by Mattb.
[...]
What scientific test do they use to prove atheism is correct?

What a fucking moron.

Post by Davej
You're the one making the insane claim that "atheism" is
taught in the schools. How do you teach atheism?

And atheism isn't what this trolling sociopath pretends.

How many times have actual atheists got to remind him that gods are
merely other people's religious beliefs - and that when one has no
reason to believe something then one doesn't.

He's a perfect example of how religion creates idiots and sociopaths
because it prevents their thinking outside the box.

Joe Bruno

2017-03-10 20:58:53 UTC

Post by Mattb.
[...]
What scientific test do they use to prove atheism is correct?

What a fucking moron.

Post by Davej
You're the one making the insane claim that "atheism" is
taught in the schools. How do you teach atheism?

And atheism isn't what this trolling sociopath pretends.
How many times have actual atheists got to remind him that gods are
merely other people's religious beliefs - and that when one has no
reason to believe something then one doesn't.
He's a perfect example of how religion creates idiots and sociopaths
because it prevents their thinking outside the box.

You don't think at all.YOu just babble the same speech over and over.

Mattb.

2017-03-08 20:30:20 UTC

Post by Mattb.
[...]
What scientific test do they use to prove atheism is correct?

You're the one making the insane claim that "atheism" is
taught in the schools. How do you teach atheism?

Promote and teach are two different things.

Davej

2017-03-08 22:49:05 UTC

Post by Mattb.
[...]
What scientific test do they use to prove atheism is correct?

You're the one making the insane claim that "atheism" is
taught in the schools. How do you teach atheism?

Promote and teach are two different things.

So you feel the schools are "promoting" atheism? How are they
doing that? Shouldn't the PARENTS handle the religious instruction?

Mattb.

2017-03-08 23:25:15 UTC

Post by Mattb.
[...]
What scientific test do they use to prove atheism is correct?

You're the one making the insane claim that "atheism" is
taught in the schools. How do you teach atheism?

Promote and teach are two different things.

So you feel the schools are "promoting" atheism? How are they
doing that? Shouldn't the PARENTS handle the religious instruction?

Schools and government should be religion neutral IMO.

Davej

2017-03-09 19:58:34 UTC

Post by Davej
So you feel the schools are "promoting" atheism? How are
they doing that? Shouldn't the PARENTS handle the religious
instruction?

Schools and government should be religion neutral IMO.

Both are generally forbidden by law from promoting one religion
over another, but many individual instructors are known to
ignore the rules and promote their own religious views.

Smiler

2017-03-10 02:04:17 UTC

So you feel the schools are "promoting" atheism? How are they doing
that? Shouldn't the PARENTS handle the religious instruction?

Schools and government should be religion neutral IMO.

Both are generally forbidden by law from promoting one religion over
another, but many individual instructors are known to ignore the rules
and promote their own religious views.

My son's 'comparative religion' teacher was a JW!!
His homework was to 'draw a picture of your god'.
He handed in a blank sheet of paper with just the subject title at the top
and his name at the bottom, with a covering letter from me. I also sent a
copy of the covering letter to the headmaster. He was never taught by that
teacher again.

--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

Christopher A. Lee

2017-03-10 11:25:06 UTC

So you feel the schools are "promoting" atheism? How are they doing
that? Shouldn't the PARENTS handle the religious instruction?

Schools and government should be religion neutral IMO.

Both are generally forbidden by law from promoting one religion over
another, but many individual instructors are known to ignore the rules
and promote their own religious views.

Good for you.

Mattb.

2017-03-10 04:47:31 UTC

So you feel the schools are "promoting" atheism? How are they doing
that? Shouldn't the PARENTS handle the religious instruction?

Schools and government should be religion neutral IMO.

Both are generally forbidden by law from promoting one religion over
another, but many individual instructors are known to ignore the rules
and promote their own religious views.

Yes my son was told by one of his teachers god wanted Homosexuals
dead. I did much what you did just more public.

Smiler

2017-03-11 03:24:58 UTC

So you feel the schools are "promoting" atheism? How are they doing
that? Shouldn't the PARENTS handle the religious instruction?

Schools and government should be religion neutral IMO.

Both are generally forbidden by law from promoting one religion over
another, but many individual instructors are known to ignore the rules
and promote their own religious views.

My son's 'comparative religion' teacher was a JW!!
His homework was to 'draw a picture of your god'.
He handed in a blank sheet of paper with just the subject title at the
top and his name at the bottom, with a covering letter from me. I also
sent a copy of the covering letter to the headmaster. He was never
taught by that teacher again.

Yes my son was told by one of his teachers god wanted Homosexuals dead.
I did much what you did just more public.

I would have been 'more public' if that had happened to my offspring. That
was plainly wrong, whereas "Draw a picture of your god" was merely
thoughtlessness.

I never did hear what happened to that teacher, whether she was fired or
just transferred to other duties.

--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

aaa

2017-03-11 05:40:33 UTC

So you feel the schools are "promoting" atheism? How are they doing
that? Shouldn't the PARENTS handle the religious instruction?

Schools and government should be religion neutral IMO.

Both are generally forbidden by law from promoting one religion over
another, but many individual instructors are known to ignore the rules
and promote their own religious views.

My son's 'comparative religion' teacher was a JW!!
His homework was to 'draw a picture of your god'.
He handed in a blank sheet of paper with just the subject title at the
top and his name at the bottom, with a covering letter from me. I also
sent a copy of the covering letter to the headmaster. He was never
taught by that teacher again.

Yes my son was told by one of his teachers god wanted Homosexuals dead.
I did much what you did just more public.

I would have been 'more public' if that had happened to my offspring. That
was plainly wrong, whereas "Draw a picture of your god" was merely
thoughtlessness.
I never did hear what happened to that teacher, whether she was fired or
just transferred to other duties.

It might be wrong to "idolize" God, but it's never wrong to teach
children about God. Children can have inspirational understandings about
God that adults often fail in comparison. It's too bad you have
forbidden your child to be inspired by God with your own family
indoctrination.

Smiler

2017-03-14 03:03:30 UTC

Post by Davej
So you feel the schools are "promoting" atheism? How are they
doing that? Shouldn't the PARENTS handle the religious
instruction?

Schools and government should be religion neutral IMO.

Both are generally forbidden by law from promoting one religion over
another, but many individual instructors are known to ignore the
rules and promote their own religious views.

My son's 'comparative religion' teacher was a JW!!
His homework was to 'draw a picture of your god'.
He handed in a blank sheet of paper with just the subject title at
the top and his name at the bottom, with a covering letter from me. I
also sent a copy of the covering letter to the headmaster. He was
never taught by that teacher again.

Yes my son was told by one of his teachers god wanted Homosexuals dead.
I did much what you did just more public.

I would have been 'more public' if that had happened to my offspring.
That was plainly wrong, whereas "Draw a picture of your god" was merely
thoughtlessness.
I never did hear what happened to that teacher, whether she was fired
or just transferred to other duties.

It might be wrong to "idolize" God, but it's never wrong to teach
children about God.

It's child abuse.

Post by aaa
Children can have inspirational understandings about
God that adults often fail in comparison. It's too bad you have
forbidden your child to be inspired by God with your own family
indoctrination.

What indoctrination was that?
They were not forbidden to believe, they were just not indoctrinated into
a religion. They, like you, can believe whatever stupid nonsense they
want, just as long as they don't try to force it on others.

--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

aaa

2017-03-14 09:27:36 UTC

Post by Davej
So you feel the schools are "promoting" atheism? How are they
doing that? Shouldn't the PARENTS handle the religious
instruction?

Schools and government should be religion neutral IMO.

Both are generally forbidden by law from promoting one religion over
another, but many individual instructors are known to ignore the
rules and promote their own religious views.

My son's 'comparative religion' teacher was a JW!!
His homework was to 'draw a picture of your god'.
He handed in a blank sheet of paper with just the subject title at
the top and his name at the bottom, with a covering letter from me. I
also sent a copy of the covering letter to the headmaster. He was
never taught by that teacher again.

Yes my son was told by one of his teachers god wanted Homosexuals dead.
I did much what you did just more public.

I would have been 'more public' if that had happened to my offspring.
That was plainly wrong, whereas "Draw a picture of your god" was merely
thoughtlessness.
I never did hear what happened to that teacher, whether she was fired
or just transferred to other duties.

It might be wrong to "idolize" God, but it's never wrong to teach
children about God.

It's child abuse.

No. It's real education. Teaching children about God is the best
education in this world. It would inspire children to awaken them to God
when they still have the divine innocence within them. It would help
them a great deal to resist sin when they grow up.

I'm talking about your kid.

Smiler

2017-03-15 00:52:20 UTC

Post by Davej
So you feel the schools are "promoting" atheism? How are they
doing that? Shouldn't the PARENTS handle the religious
instruction?

Schools and government should be religion neutral IMO.

Both are generally forbidden by law from promoting one religion
over another, but many individual instructors are known to ignore
the rules and promote their own religious views.

My son's 'comparative religion' teacher was a JW!!
His homework was to 'draw a picture of your god'.
He handed in a blank sheet of paper with just the subject title at
the top and his name at the bottom, with a covering letter from me.
I also sent a copy of the covering letter to the headmaster. He was
never taught by that teacher again.

Yes my son was told by one of his teachers god wanted Homosexuals dead.
I did much what you did just more public.

I would have been 'more public' if that had happened to my offspring.
That was plainly wrong, whereas "Draw a picture of your god" was
merely thoughtlessness.
I never did hear what happened to that teacher, whether she was fired
or just transferred to other duties.

It might be wrong to "idolize" God, but it's never wrong to teach
children about God.

It's child abuse.

Your bullshit unevidenced beliefs should not be taught to children.

Post by aaa
Children can have inspirational understandings about God that adults
often fail in comparison. It's too bad you have forbidden your child
to be inspired by God with your own family indoctrination.

What indoctrination was that?
They were not forbidden to believe, they were just not indoctrinated
into a religion. They, like you, can believe whatever stupid nonsense
they want, just as long as they don't try to force it on others.

I'm talking about your kid.

So am I.
What indoctrination did my kids get?

--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

Christopher A. Lee

2017-03-15 02:18:58 UTC

Post by Davej
So you feel the schools are "promoting" atheism? How are they
doing that? Shouldn't the PARENTS handle the religious instruction?

Schools and government should be religion neutral IMO.

Both are generally forbidden by law from promoting one religion
over another, but many individual instructors are known to ignore
the rules and promote their own religious views.

My son's 'comparative religion' teacher was a JW!!
His homework was to 'draw a picture of your god'.
He handed in a blank sheet of paper with just the subject title at
the top and his name at the bottom, with a covering letter from me.
I also sent a copy of the covering letter to the headmaster. He was
never taught by that teacher again.

Yes my son was told by one of his teachers god wanted Homosexuals dead.
I did much what you did just more public.

I would have been 'more public' if that had happened to my offspring.
That was plainly wrong, whereas "Draw a picture of your god" was
merely thoughtlessness.
I never did hear what happened to that teacher, whether she was fired
or just transferred to other duties.

It might be wrong to "idolize" God, but it's never wrong to teach
children about God.

Only in comparative religion classes.

Post by Smiler
It's child abuse.

No. It's real education.

Liar.

For a large number of children in the class, it's merely somebody
else's religious belief.

And there is no way I would accept my kids being taught to be
Christians for the same reason neither I nor the Niunian troll would
want them to be taught to be Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims, Buddhists, etc,

But teach them _about_ the other religions and that their believers
are as entitled to their beliefs as Christians are to theirs, and they
should not be proselytised. That way people can learn to live together
in harmony.

Post by aaa
Teaching children about God is the best
education in this world.

Liar.

Post by aaa
It would inspire children to awaken them to God

WHAT FUCKING GOD, outside they myths and legends of somebody else's
religion?

Post by aaa
when they still have the divine innocence within them. It would help
them a great deal to resist sin when they grow up.

Meaningless nonsense.

Post by Smiler
Your bullshit unevidenced beliefs should not be taught to children.

Post by aaa
Children can have inspirational understandings about God that adults
often fail in comparison. It's too bad you have forbidden your child
to be inspired by God with your own family indoctrination.

Liar.

BY WHAT FUCKING GOD in the real world outside the loonie's religion?

Post by Smiler
What indoctrination was that?
They were not forbidden to believe, they were just not indoctrinated
into a religion. They, like you, can believe whatever stupid nonsense
they want, just as long as they don't try to force it on others.

If they have learned to think for themselves, they won't fall for
religious nonsense - it's why it has to be taught in their earliest
years.

Post by aaa
I'm talking about your kid.

So am I.
What indoctrination did my kids get?

These morons are so stupid, they imagine theism is inherent and
atheism has to be taught.

Which would be like teaching that there's no Santa Claus before the
child has even heard of him.

aaa

2017-03-15 06:37:19 UTC

Post by Davej
So you feel the schools are "promoting" atheism? How are they
doing that? Shouldn't the PARENTS handle the religious instruction?

Schools and government should be religion neutral IMO.

Both are generally forbidden by law from promoting one religion
over another, but many individual instructors are known to ignore
the rules and promote their own religious views.

My son's 'comparative religion' teacher was a JW!!
His homework was to 'draw a picture of your god'.
He handed in a blank sheet of paper with just the subject title at
the top and his name at the bottom, with a covering letter from me.
I also sent a copy of the covering letter to the headmaster. He was
never taught by that teacher again.

Yes my son was told by one of his teachers god wanted Homosexuals dead.
I did much what you did just more public.

I would have been 'more public' if that had happened to my offspring.
That was plainly wrong, whereas "Draw a picture of your god" was
merely thoughtlessness.
I never did hear what happened to that teacher, whether she was fired
or just transferred to other duties.

It might be wrong to "idolize" God, but it's never wrong to teach
children about God.

It's child abuse.

Your bullshit unevidenced beliefs should not be taught to children.

That's just your prejudiced opinion based on your utter ignorance of God.

Post by aaa
Children can have inspirational understandings about God that adults
often fail in comparison. It's too bad you have forbidden your child
to be inspired by God with your own family indoctrination.

What indoctrination was that?
They were not forbidden to believe, they were just not indoctrinated
into a religion. They, like you, can believe whatever stupid nonsense
they want, just as long as they don't try to force it on others.

I'm talking about your kid.

So am I.
What indoctrination did my kids get?

Your atheistic indoctrination.

Smiler

2017-03-16 02:14:43 UTC

Post by Davej
So you feel the schools are "promoting" atheism? How are they
doing that? Shouldn't the PARENTS handle the religious instruction?

Schools and government should be religion neutral IMO.

Both are generally forbidden by law from promoting one religion
over another, but many individual instructors are known to
ignore the rules and promote their own religious views.

My son's 'comparative religion' teacher was a JW!!
His homework was to 'draw a picture of your god'.
He handed in a blank sheet of paper with just the subject title
at the top and his name at the bottom, with a covering letter
from me.
I also sent a copy of the covering letter to the headmaster. He
was never taught by that teacher again.

Yes my son was told by one of his teachers god wanted Homosexuals dead.
I did much what you did just more public.

I would have been 'more public' if that had happened to my offspring.
That was plainly wrong, whereas "Draw a picture of your god" was
merely thoughtlessness.
I never did hear what happened to that teacher, whether she was
fired or just transferred to other duties.

It might be wrong to "idolize" God, but it's never wrong to teach
children about God.

It's child abuse.

No. It's real education. Teaching children about God is the best
education in this world. It would inspire children to awaken them to
God when they still have the divine innocence within them. It would
help them a great deal to resist sin when they grow up.

Your bullshit unevidenced beliefs should not be taught to children.

That's just your prejudiced opinion based on your utter ignorance of God.

That would be the god for which you have no evidence.

Post by aaa
Children can have inspirational understandings about God that adults
often fail in comparison. It's too bad you have forbidden your child
to be inspired by God with your own family indoctrination.

What indoctrination was that?
They were not forbidden to believe, they were just not indoctrinated
into a religion. They, like you, can believe whatever stupid nonsense
they want, just as long as they don't try to force it on others.

I'm talking about your kid.

So am I.
What indoctrination did my kids get?

Your atheistic indoctrination.

Nope. They were just not taught about god(s).
How is NOT teaching something 'indoctrination'?

--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

aaa

2017-03-16 05:02:50 UTC

Post by Davej
So you feel the schools are "promoting" atheism? How are they
doing that? Shouldn't the PARENTS handle the religious instruction?

Schools and government should be religion neutral IMO.

Both are generally forbidden by law from promoting one religion
over another, but many individual instructors are known to
ignore the rules and promote their own religious views.

My son's 'comparative religion' teacher was a JW!!
His homework was to 'draw a picture of your god'.
He handed in a blank sheet of paper with just the subject title
at the top and his name at the bottom, with a covering letter
from me.
I also sent a copy of the covering letter to the headmaster. He
was never taught by that teacher again.

Yes my son was told by one of his teachers god wanted Homosexuals dead.
I did much what you did just more public.

I would have been 'more public' if that had happened to my offspring.
That was plainly wrong, whereas "Draw a picture of your god" was
merely thoughtlessness.
I never did hear what happened to that teacher, whether she was
fired or just transferred to other duties.

It might be wrong to "idolize" God, but it's never wrong to teach
children about God.

It's child abuse.

No. It's real education. Teaching children about God is the best
education in this world. It would inspire children to awaken them to
God when they still have the divine innocence within them. It would
help them a great deal to resist sin when they grow up.

Your bullshit unevidenced beliefs should not be taught to children.

That's just your prejudiced opinion based on your utter ignorance of God.

That would be the god for which you have no evidence.

That is the God you have no understanding.

Post by aaa
Children can have inspirational understandings about God that adults
often fail in comparison. It's too bad you have forbidden your child
to be inspired by God with your own family indoctrination.

What indoctrination was that?
They were not forbidden to believe, they were just not indoctrinated
into a religion. They, like you, can believe whatever stupid nonsense
they want, just as long as they don't try to force it on others.

I'm talking about your kid.

So am I.
What indoctrination did my kids get?

Your atheistic indoctrination.

Nope. They were just not taught about god(s).
How is NOT teaching something 'indoctrination'?

Your own behavior and attitude is a form of indoctrination.

Malcolm McMahon

2017-03-16 11:37:57 UTC

Post by Davej
So you feel the schools are "promoting" atheism? How are they
doing that? Shouldn't the PARENTS handle the religious
instruction?

Schools and government should be religion neutral IMO.

Both are generally forbidden by law from promoting one religion
over another, but many individual instructors are known to
ignore the rules and promote their own religious views.

My son's 'comparative religion' teacher was a JW!!
His homework was to 'draw a picture of your god'.
He handed in a blank sheet of paper with just the subject title
at the top and his name at the bottom, with a covering letter
from me.
I also sent a copy of the covering letter to the headmaster. He
was never taught by that teacher again.

Yes my son was told by one of his teachers god wanted Homosexuals dead.
I did much what you did just more public.

I would have been 'more public' if that had happened to my offspring.
That was plainly wrong, whereas "Draw a picture of your god" was
merely thoughtlessness.
I never did hear what happened to that teacher, whether she was
fired or just transferred to other duties.

It might be wrong to "idolize" God, but it's never wrong to teach
children about God.

It's child abuse.

No. It's real education. Teaching children about God is the best
education in this world. It would inspire children to awaken them to
God when they still have the divine innocence within them. It would
help them a great deal to resist sin when they grow up.

Your bullshit unevidenced beliefs should not be taught to children.

That's just your prejudiced opinion based on your utter ignorance of God.

That would be the god for which you have no evidence.

That is the God you have no understanding.

Post by aaa
Children can have inspirational understandings about God that adults
often fail in comparison. It's too bad you have forbidden your child
to be inspired by God with your own family indoctrination.

What indoctrination was that?
They were not forbidden to believe, they were just not indoctrinated
into a religion. They, like you, can believe whatever stupid nonsense
they want, just as long as they don't try to force it on others.

I'm talking about your kid.

So am I.
What indoctrination did my kids get?

Your atheistic indoctrination.

Nope. They were just not taught about god(s).
How is NOT teaching something 'indoctrination'?

Your own behavior and attitude is a form of indoctrination.

All teaching is a form of indoctrination.

aaa

2017-03-16 13:24:14 UTC

Post by Davej
So you feel the schools are "promoting" atheism? How are they
doing that? Shouldn't the PARENTS handle the religious
instruction?

Schools and government should be religion neutral IMO.

Both are generally forbidden by law from promoting one religion
over another, but many individual instructors are known to
ignore the rules and promote their own religious views.

My son's 'comparative religion' teacher was a JW!!
His homework was to 'draw a picture of your god'.
He handed in a blank sheet of paper with just the subject title
at the top and his name at the bottom, with a covering letter
from me.
I also sent a copy of the covering letter to the headmaster. He
was never taught by that teacher again.

Yes my son was told by one of his teachers god wanted Homosexuals dead.
I did much what you did just more public.

I would have been 'more public' if that had happened to my offspring.
That was plainly wrong, whereas "Draw a picture of your god" was
merely thoughtlessness.
I never did hear what happened to that teacher, whether she was
fired or just transferred to other duties.

It might be wrong to "idolize" God, but it's never wrong to teach
children about God.

It's child abuse.

No. It's real education. Teaching children about God is the best
education in this world. It would inspire children to awaken them to
God when they still have the divine innocence within them. It would
help them a great deal to resist sin when they grow up.

Your bullshit unevidenced beliefs should not be taught to children.

That's just your prejudiced opinion based on your utter ignorance of God.

That would be the god for which you have no evidence.

That is the God you have no understanding.

Post by aaa
Children can have inspirational understandings about God that adults
often fail in comparison. It's too bad you have forbidden your child
to be inspired by God with your own family indoctrination.

What indoctrination was that?
They were not forbidden to believe, they were just not indoctrinated
into a religion. They, like you, can believe whatever stupid nonsense
they want, just as long as they don't try to force it on others.

I'm talking about your kid.

So am I.
What indoctrination did my kids get?

Your atheistic indoctrination.

Nope. They were just not taught about god(s).
How is NOT teaching something 'indoctrination'?

Your own behavior and attitude is a form of indoctrination.

All teaching is a form of indoctrination.

All teachings of intellectual knowledge are forms of indoctrination, but
the knowledge learned and understood in life is never any
indoctrination. It's the real knowledge.

Malcolm McMahon

2017-03-17 14:24:45 UTC

Post by Davej
So you feel the schools are "promoting" atheism? How are they
doing that? Shouldn't the PARENTS handle the religious
instruction?

Schools and government should be religion neutral IMO.

Both are generally forbidden by law from promoting one religion
over another, but many individual instructors are known to
ignore the rules and promote their own religious views.

My son's 'comparative religion' teacher was a JW!!
His homework was to 'draw a picture of your god'.
He handed in a blank sheet of paper with just the subject title
at the top and his name at the bottom, with a covering letter
from me.
I also sent a copy of the covering letter to the headmaster. He
was never taught by that teacher again.

Yes my son was told by one of his teachers god wanted Homosexuals
dead.
I did much what you did just more public.

I would have been 'more public' if that had happened to my offspring.
That was plainly wrong, whereas "Draw a picture of your god" was
merely thoughtlessness.
I never did hear what happened to that teacher, whether she was
fired or just transferred to other duties.

It might be wrong to "idolize" God, but it's never wrong to teach
children about God.

It's child abuse.

No. It's real education. Teaching children about God is the best
education in this world. It would inspire children to awaken them to
God when they still have the divine innocence within them. It would
help them a great deal to resist sin when they grow up.

Your bullshit unevidenced beliefs should not be taught to children.

That's just your prejudiced opinion based on your utter ignorance of God.

That would be the god for which you have no evidence.

That is the God you have no understanding.

Post by aaa
Children can have inspirational understandings about God that adults
often fail in comparison. It's too bad you have forbidden your child
to be inspired by God with your own family indoctrination.

What indoctrination was that?
They were not forbidden to believe, they were just not indoctrinated
into a religion. They, like you, can believe whatever stupid nonsense
they want, just as long as they don't try to force it on others.

I'm talking about your kid.

So am I.
What indoctrination did my kids get?

Your atheistic indoctrination.

Nope. They were just not taught about god(s).
How is NOT teaching something 'indoctrination'?

Your own behavior and attitude is a form of indoctrination.

All teaching is a form of indoctrination.

All teachings of intellectual knowledge are forms of indoctrination, but
the knowledge learned and understood in life is never any
indoctrination. It's the real knowledge.

As you grow up you develop a kind of psychological immune system, something to protect you from indoctrination. But as a child you very easily swallow any kind of bullshit if it's presented with authority.

Critical thinking and scepticism is an important part of this.

And that can be taught, not so much through lecturing by by exercise.

Christopher A. Lee

2017-03-17 15:37:35 UTC

On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 07:24:45 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon

Post by Davej
So you feel the schools are "promoting" atheism? How are they
doing that? Shouldn't the PARENTS handle the religious
instruction?

Schools and government should be religion neutral IMO.

Both are generally forbidden by law from promoting one religion
over another, but many individual instructors are known to
ignore the rules and promote their own religious views.

My son's 'comparative religion' teacher was a JW!!
His homework was to 'draw a picture of your god'.
He handed in a blank sheet of paper with just the subject title
at the top and his name at the bottom, with a covering letter
from me.
I also sent a copy of the covering letter to the headmaster. He
was never taught by that teacher again.

Yes my son was told by one of his teachers god wanted Homosexuals
dead.
I did much what you did just more public.

I would have been 'more public' if that had happened to my offspring.
That was plainly wrong, whereas "Draw a picture of your god" was
merely thoughtlessness.
I never did hear what happened to that teacher, whether she was
fired or just transferred to other duties.

It might be wrong to "idolize" God, but it's never wrong to teach
children about God.

It's child abuse.

No. It's real education. Teaching children about God is the best
education in this world. It would inspire children to awaken them to
God when they still have the divine innocence within them. It would
help them a great deal to resist sin when they grow up.

Your bullshit unevidenced beliefs should not be taught to children.

That's just your prejudiced opinion based on your utter ignorance of God.

What a fucking moron. A liar as well as an idiot.

And WHAT FUCKING GOD?

The liar has to realise that this would be like accusing adults of
being biased against the Easter Bunny.

Post by Smiler
That would be the god for which you have no evidence.

That is the God you have no understanding.

WHAT FUCKING GOD, lying, question-begging moron?

What part of "somebody else's religious belief" and "character from
somebody else's mythology" is the moron deliberately pretending he is
too stupid to understand?

Post by aaa
Children can have inspirational understandings about God that adults

Prove it, liar.

Post by aaa
often fail in comparison. It's too bad you have forbidden your child
to be inspired by God with your own family indoctrination.

WHAT FUCKING GOD AND WHAT FUCKING FAMILY INDOCTRINATION was the
in-your-face liar lying about?

Which is all it takes. But if they are introduced to theism _after_
they have learned to think for themselves, they're going to laugh at
it.

Post by aaa
I'm talking about your kid.

He's lying.

If a child isn't indoctrinated to believe, and has already learned to
think before somebody brings the subject up, their reaction is that
the person doing that is either joking or an idiot.

Post by Smiler
So am I.
What indoctrination did my kids get?

Your atheistic indoctrination.

WHAT FUCKING "ATHEISTIC INDOCTRINATION" was the in-your-face liar
lying about?

Post by Smiler
Nope. They were just not taught about god(s).
How is NOT teaching something 'indoctrination'?

Which is all it takes.

And when there is no reason to believe something, then one doesn't.

Post by aaa
Your own behavior and attitude is a form of indoctrination.

Why can't the in-your-face, proven liar stop lying?

Post by Malcolm McMahon
All teaching is a form of indoctrination.

No. Proper teaching nurtures both intelligence and critical thinking.

Something missing in the Niunian-troll and the other theists who troll
here.

Post by aaa
All teachings of intellectual knowledge are forms of indoctrination, but

Not if it's taught properly, because the child learns the "why", not
just the "what".

Post by aaa
the knowledge learned and understood in life is never any
indoctrination. It's the real knowledge.

Very early if you learned critical thinking before being exposed to
religion.

Post by Malcolm McMahon
Critical thinking and scepticism is an important part of this.
And that can be taught, not so much through lecturing by by exercise.

And it's not indoctrination because the child learns to use its mind.

Smiler

2017-03-18 03:18:00 UTC

Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 07:24:45 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon

On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 02:04:17 +0000 (UTC), Smiler

On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 5:35:40 PM UTC-6, Mattb.

Post by Davej
So you feel the schools are "promoting" atheism? How
are they doing that? Shouldn't the PARENTS handle the
religious instruction?

Schools and government should be religion neutral IMO.

Both are generally forbidden by law from promoting one
religion over another, but many individual instructors
are known to ignore the rules and promote their own
religious views.

My son's 'comparative religion' teacher was a JW!!
His homework was to 'draw a picture of your god'.
He handed in a blank sheet of paper with just the subject
title at the top and his name at the bottom, with a
covering letter from me.
I also sent a copy of the covering letter to the
headmaster. He was never taught by that teacher again.

Yes my son was told by one of his teachers god wanted
Homosexuals dead.
I did much what you did just more public.

I would have been 'more public' if that had happened to my
offspring.
That was plainly wrong, whereas "Draw a picture of your god"
was merely thoughtlessness.
I never did hear what happened to that teacher, whether she
was fired or just transferred to other duties.

It might be wrong to "idolize" God, but it's never wrong to
teach children about God.

It's child abuse.

No. It's real education. Teaching children about God is the
best education in this world. It would inspire children to
awaken them to God when they still have the divine innocence
within them. It would help them a great deal to resist sin when
they grow up.

Your bullshit unevidenced beliefs should not be taught to children.

That's just your prejudiced opinion based on your utter ignorance of God.

What a fucking moron. A liar as well as an idiot.
And WHAT FUCKING GOD?
The liar has to realise that this would be like accusing adults of being
biased against the Easter Bunny.

Post by Smiler
That would be the god for which you have no evidence.

That is the God you have no understanding.

WHAT FUCKING GOD, lying, question-begging moron?
What part of "somebody else's religious belief" and "character from
somebody else's mythology" is the moron deliberately pretending he is
too stupid to understand?

Post by aaa
Children can have inspirational understandings about God that adults

Prove it, liar.

Post by aaa
often fail in comparison. It's too bad you have forbidden
your child to be inspired by God with your own family
indoctrination.

WHAT FUCKING GOD AND WHAT FUCKING FAMILY INDOCTRINATION was the
in-your-face liar lying about?

Post by Smiler
What indoctrination was that?
They were not forbidden to believe, they were just not
indoctrinated into a religion. They, like you, can believe
whatever stupid nonsense they want, just as long as they don't
try to force it on others.

Which is all it takes. But if they are introduced to theism _after_ they
have learned to think for themselves, they're going to laugh at it.

Yes, exactly.

Post by aaa
I'm talking about your kid.

He's lying.
If a child isn't indoctrinated to believe, and has already learned to
think before somebody brings the subject up, their reaction is that the
person doing that is either joking or an idiot.

He isn't joking, so that only leaves one option.

Post by Smiler
So am I.
What indoctrination did my kids get?

Your atheistic indoctrination.

WHAT FUCKING "ATHEISTIC INDOCTRINATION" was the in-your-face liar lying
about?

In his dystopian world, not teaching religion is indoctrination, just as
not collecting stamps is a hobby.

Post by Smiler
Nope. They were just not taught about god(s).
How is NOT teaching something 'indoctrination'?

Which is all it takes.
And when there is no reason to believe something, then one doesn't.

Post by aaa
Your own behavior and attitude is a form of indoctrination.

Why can't the in-your-face, proven liar stop lying?

Because he's a theist arsehole.

Post by Malcolm McMahon
All teaching is a form of indoctrination.

No. Proper teaching nurtures both intelligence and critical thinking.
Something missing in the Niunian-troll and the other theists who troll
here.

Post by aaa
All teachings of intellectual knowledge are forms of indoctrination, but

Not if it's taught properly, because the child learns the "why", not
just the "what".

Post by aaa
the knowledge learned and understood in life is never any
indoctrination. It's the real knowledge.

Very early if you learned critical thinking before being exposed to
religion.

Post by Malcolm McMahon
Critical thinking and scepticism is an important part of this.
And that can be taught, not so much through lecturing by by exercise.

And it's not indoctrination because the child learns to use its mind.

The niunian troll hasn't got a functioning mind to use.

--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

Christopher A. Lee

2017-03-18 10:17:16 UTC

On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 07:24:45 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon

Post by Davej
So you feel the schools are "promoting" atheism? How are they
doing that? Shouldn't the PARENTS handle the religious
instruction?

Schools and government should be religion neutral IMO.

Both are generally forbidden by law from promoting one religion
over another, but many individual instructors are known to
ignore the rules and promote their own religious views.

My son's 'comparative religion' teacher was a JW!!
His homework was to 'draw a picture of your god'.
He handed in a blank sheet of paper with just the subject title
at the top and his name at the bottom, with a covering letter
from me.
I also sent a copy of the covering letter to the headmaster. He
was never taught by that teacher again.

Yes my son was told by one of his teachers god wanted Homosexuals
dead.
I did much what you did just more public.

I would have been 'more public' if that had happened to my offspring.
That was plainly wrong, whereas "Draw a picture of your god" was
merely thoughtlessness.
I never did hear what happened to that teacher, whether she was
fired or just transferred to other duties.

It might be wrong to "idolize" God, but it's never wrong to teach
children about God.

It's child abuse.

No. It's real education. Teaching children about God is the best
education in this world. It would inspire children to awaken them to
God when they still have the divine innocence within them. It would
help them a great deal to resist sin when they grow up.

Your bullshit unevidenced beliefs should not be taught to children.

That's just your prejudiced opinion based on your utter ignorance of God.

What FUCKING ANAL LEAKAGE! LUST SHAFT! a fucking moron. FUCKING
BUTTHOLE! ONE EYED BASTARD! BANGING FUDGE! DICKLESS! A liar as FUCKING
FARTHEAD! well as an FUCKING SHITTING! SHEEP FUCKER! LET THE NIGGER
GIRL DO IT! idiot. BUTT FUCKER! HALF-BREED! CURRY-MUNCHER! BROWNEYE!

And FUCKING FARTHEAD! WHAT FUCKING GOD? POLACK! BUM-FUCK!

The FUCKING SOUTHERN FAIRY! GATOR BAIT! liar has to FUCKING
PIECE-OF-TAIL! LOVE JUICE! AMPUTEE! BIGHEAD! HEIFER! PUSSY! BARN
ANIMAL! CRAP! GANG-RAPE! FILTHY SHITTER! ARSEBALL! AARDVARK! LUST
BONE! realise that this FUCKING BUTTFACE! would be like FUCKING GOAT
FUCKER! LOVE CUSHIONS! BACK-ALLEY! CLAM HAMMER! accusing adults of
FUCKING WANG! BUTT BANG! DIPSTICK! being biased against FUCKING BUMP
BONES! SHOOT YOUR WAD! ASS THRASHER! ANAL-JOYRIDER! BUM JOCKEY! the
Easter Bunny. FUCKING ASS-WIPE! FUCK-KNUCKLE! FUCK FLUTE! BLIGHT!
GRASS-BACK!

Post by Smiler
That would be the god for which you have no evidence.

That is the God you have no understanding.

WHAT FUCKING GIRL FRIDAY! SAUSAGE JOCKEY! CHEESE-EATING SURRENDER
MONKEY! FUCKING GOD, lying, question-begging FUCKING QUIM! MICK! BLOOD
SWORD! moron? JAP! BED SISTER! ARSE PISH! BACK-ALLEY!

What FUCKING HARD-BOILER! BUMTICKLER! COCK OF DEATH! part of "somebody
else's FUCKING DICK OF DEATH! BLISTER! religious belief" and
"character FUCKING CANKER! from somebody else's mythology" FUCKING
ASS-HOLE! is the moron deliberately FUCKING DUDES! pretending he is
too FUCKING FUCK FERRET! stupid to understand? COOTER! SHAG-BAG!

Post by aaa
Children can have inspirational understandings about God that adults

Prove FUCKING ASS BLOW! LIVER! CAR WHORE! BROWN EYE MINER! PENIS
WRINKLE! HARDASS! ANAL INSERT! it, liar. BUCKET CUNT! MURDER!

Post by aaa
often fail in comparison. It's too bad you have forbidden your child
to be inspired by God with your own family indoctrination.

WHAT FUCKING FLOPPY TITS! PUSSY-FUCKER! BROTHEL CREEPER! FAST-CHICK!
FLESH BAT! FUCK UP! FUCKING GOD AND WHAT FUCKING DICK WIPE! SHITTER!
FUCKING FAMILY INDOCTRINATION was FUCKING CUM STAIN! GODDAMN! PIKER!
the in-your-face liar lying FUCKING COW! SNOTNOSE! MACKEREL SNAPPER!
about? BUM PRODDER! TWINKIE! BROWN EYE! SPUNK BLASTER!

Which FUCKING CROTCH COBRA! is all it takes. FUCKING BELLY-BUMP! GOOK!
But if they are FUCKING GONAD! introduced to theism _after_ FUCKING
BIKINI-FILLERS! FLIP YOUR CLIT! BROTHEL CREEPER! SMARTALECK NIGGER!
FINGER FUCK! BEAN FLICKER! they have learned to FUCKING HORNY! think
for themselves, they're FUCKING BULL SHIT! BUTT SMASHER! SNOTNOSE!
going to laugh at FUCKING SAND NIGGER! it. STAB! BLOOD WEEK!

Post by aaa
I'm talking about your kid.

He's FUCKING PIECE-OF-ASS! lying. JACK OFF! PROSTITUTE!

If FUCKING TROLLOP! BROWNEYE! PUSSYLIPS! CAMEL JOCKEY! a child isn't
FUCKING FUCK OFF! TAKE-OUT-HOOKER! indoctrinated to believe, FUCKING
BLOOD SWORD! GAY BOY! FLOP! and has already FUCKING SHAG! learned to
think FUCKING SPEW! ARSE-BOY! CUNTBUBBLE! I'D DO YOU! before somebody
brings FUCKING ARSE-BONE! the subject up, FUCKING PANCAKE! their
reaction is FUCKING BUM BANDIT! that the person FUCKING PLASTIC PADDY!
doing that is FUCKING BROWN HOLE! PIMP! LOVE SWORD! either joking or
FUCKING TAR-BABY! an idiot. AUNT JEMIMA! BUSTED CHERRY!

Post by Smiler
So am I.
What indoctrination did my kids get?

Your atheistic indoctrination.

WHAT FUCKING ASS MITES! FUCKING "ATHEISTIC INDOCTRINATION" was FUCKING
ANAL LEAKAGE! LUST BONE! PENIS! ARSE-BOY! COCONUT! NEW JERSEY NIGGER!
DICKHEAD! CHOAD! the in-your-face liar lying FUCKING FLESH-BAGS!
about? HOOKWORM! WANG! ANAL IMPALER!

Post by Smiler
Nope. They were just not taught about god(s).
How is NOT teaching something 'indoctrination'?

Which FUCKING SHIT HEAD! TWAT-PEDDLER! is all it FUCKING CHEESE-EATING
SURRENDER MONKEY! BOOTLIP! SHIT! GODDAM! ASS-LICKER! NEW JERSEY
NIGGER! ARSE-BENDER! BITCH KITTY! takes. NIGGER LADY! TITS AND BUMS!

And FUCKING PUSSY FEEDER! SPUNK! when there is no FUCKING BAREBACK
RIDER! BLACK-ARSE! ARSE-PIRATE! WOMAN OF JOY! reason to believe
something, FUCKING KID! then one doesn't. ANAL-JOYRIDER! HEAD! FLEA!
BUM PRODDER!

Post by aaa
Your own behavior and attitude is a form of indoctrination.

Why FUCKING MUFF-MERCHANT! CRABS! POONTANG! ASS MITES! FERAL BITCH!
SHEEP FUCKER! CUNT RIFLE! GRASS-BACK! KNICKERS! LUST SHAFT! can't the
in-your-face, proven FUCKING EASY-LAY! DONKEY HUMPER! BUM PRODDER!
liar stop lying? BITCHES' BLINDS! GO FUCK YOURSELF! BUGGERER!

Post by Malcolm McMahon
All teaching is a form of indoctrination.

No. FUCKING BALLBAG! Proper teaching nurtures FUCKING GIVE HER THE
HIGH HARD ONE! both intelligence and FUCKING DOGS! FUCK ASS! critical
thinking. CREAM-JUGS! BROWNEYE!

Something FUCKING FUCK PUPPET! ARSE! POONTANG! missing in the
Niunian-troll FUCKING BLOOD AND SEMEN! BOSOMS! and the other theists
FUCKING FLASH MOLL! FLAPPER! who troll here. ASS-WIPE! ASS IN A SLING!
SACK OF SHIT!

Post by aaa
All teachings of intellectual knowledge are forms of indoctrination, but

Not FUCKING PUSSY PLUNGER! PISS ANT! if it's taught FUCKING
SCARLET-HARLOT! properly, because the FUCKING CRABS! child learns the
FUCKING FUCK! FAT FLAPS! ASS KISSER! ARSE BURGLAR! "why", not just
FUCKING BELLY-BUMPER! the "what". IMPREGNATOR! PUSSY-FUCKER!
BELLY-BUMPING!

Post by aaa
the knowledge learned and understood in life is never any
indoctrination. It's the real knowledge.

Very FUCKING CAMEL JOCKEY! DOUCHEBAG! HERPES! JAP! FREEBOOTER! early
if you learned FUCKING CRUTCH! THICKLIPS! BUTTFACE! critical thinking
before being FUCKING ARSECONS! JIZZ QUEEN! exposed to religion. LOOSE
WOMAN! CHODE! BONE BAG! TITS AND BUMS!

Post by Malcolm McMahon
Critical thinking and scepticism is an important part of this.
And that can be taught, not so much through lecturing by by exercise.

And FUCKING GONAD! it's not indoctrination because FUCKING FERRET!
SACK OF SHIT! CLAM DIGGER! the child learns to FUCKING BUGGERY! ARSE
CURTAINS! use its mind. CUNT COMPANION! BESTIALITY!

aaa

2017-03-19 10:22:04 UTC

On Thu, 09 Mar 2017 23:47:31 -0500, Mattb.

On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 02:04:17 +0000 (UTC),

On Thu, 09 Mar 2017 11:58:34 -0800, Davej

On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 5:35:40 PM

Post by Davej
So you feel the schools are "promoting"
atheism? How are they doing that?
Shouldn't the PARENTS handle the
religious instruction?

Schools and government should be religion
neutral IMO.

Both are generally forbidden by law from
promoting one religion over another, but
many individual instructors are known to
ignore the rules and promote their own
religious views.

My son's 'comparative religion' teacher was a
JW!! His homework was to 'draw a picture of
your god'. He handed in a blank sheet of
paper with just the subject title at the top
and his name at the bottom, with a covering
letter from me. I also sent a copy of the
covering letter to the headmaster. He was
never taught by that teacher again.

Yes my son was told by one of his teachers god
wanted Homosexuals dead. I did much what you
did just more public.

I would have been 'more public' if that had
happened to my offspring. That was plainly wrong,
whereas "Draw a picture of your god" was merely
thoughtlessness.
I never did hear what happened to that teacher,
whether she was fired or just transferred to
other duties.

It might be wrong to "idolize" God, but it's never
wrong to teach children about God.

It's child abuse.

No. It's real education. Teaching children about God is
the best education in this world. It would inspire
children to awaken them to God when they still have the
divine innocence within them. It would help them a
great deal to resist sin when they grow up.

Your bullshit unevidenced beliefs should not be taught to children.

That's just your prejudiced opinion based on your utter
ignorance of God.

That would be the god for which you have no evidence.

That is the God you have no understanding.

Post by aaa
Children can have inspirational understandings
about God that adults often fail in comparison.
It's too bad you have forbidden your child to be
inspired by God with your own family
indoctrination.

What indoctrination was that? They were not forbidden
to believe, they were just not indoctrinated into a
religion. They, like you, can believe whatever stupid
nonsense they want, just as long as they don't try to
force it on others.

I'm talking about your kid.

So am I. What indoctrination did my kids get?

Your atheistic indoctrination.

Nope. They were just not taught about god(s). How is NOT
teaching something 'indoctrination'?

Your own behavior and attitude is a form of indoctrination.

All teaching is a form of indoctrination.

All teachings of intellectual knowledge are forms of
indoctrination, but the knowledge learned and understood in life is
never any indoctrination. It's the real knowledge.

As you grow up you develop a kind of psychological immune system,
something to protect you from indoctrination. But as a child you very
easily swallow any kind of bullshit if it's presented with
authority.
Critical thinking and scepticism is an important part of this.
And that can be taught, not so much through lecturing by by
exercise.

Unfortunately, after all of that, you still end up being brainwashed to
believe atheism. To you, truth is forever incomprehensible and unreachable.

Christopher A. Lee

2017-03-16 07:00:04 UTC

Post by Davej
So you feel the schools are "promoting" atheism? How are they
doing that? Shouldn't the PARENTS handle the religious instruction?

Schools and government should be religion neutral IMO.

Both are generally forbidden by law from promoting one religion
over another, but many individual instructors are known to
ignore the rules and promote their own religious views.

My son's 'comparative religion' teacher was a JW!!
His homework was to 'draw a picture of your god'.
He handed in a blank sheet of paper with just the subject title
at the top and his name at the bottom, with a covering letter
from me.
I also sent a copy of the covering letter to the headmaster. He
was never taught by that teacher again.

Yes my son was told by one of his teachers god wanted Homosexuals dead.
I did much what you did just more public.

I would have been 'more public' if that had happened to my offspring.
That was plainly wrong, whereas "Draw a picture of your god" was
merely thoughtlessness.
I never did hear what happened to that teacher, whether she was
fired or just transferred to other duties.

It might be wrong to "idolize" God, but it's never wrong to teach
children about God.

It's child abuse.

No. It's real education. Teaching children about God is the best
education in this world. It would inspire children to awaken them to
God when they still have the divine innocence within them. It would
help them a great deal to resist sin when they grow up.

Your bullshit unevidenced beliefs should not be taught to children.

That's just your prejudiced opinion based on your utter ignorance of God.

That would be the god for which you have no evidence.

Post by aaa
Children can have inspirational understandings about God that adults
often fail in comparison. It's too bad you have forbidden your child
to be inspired by God with your own family indoctrination.

What indoctrination was that?
They were not forbidden to believe, they were just not indoctrinated
into a religion. They, like you, can believe whatever stupid nonsense
they want, just as long as they don't try to force it on others.

I'm talking about your kid.

So am I.
What indoctrination did my kids get?

Your atheistic indoctrination.

Nope. They were just not taught about god(s).
How is NOT teaching something 'indoctrination'?

Because some seriously mentally ill asshole sez so.

Mattb.

2017-03-11 08:06:56 UTC

So you feel the schools are "promoting" atheism? How are they doing
that? Shouldn't the PARENTS handle the religious instruction?

Schools and government should be religion neutral IMO.

Both are generally forbidden by law from promoting one religion over
another, but many individual instructors are known to ignore the rules
and promote their own religious views.

My son's 'comparative religion' teacher was a JW!!
His homework was to 'draw a picture of your god'.
He handed in a blank sheet of paper with just the subject title at the
top and his name at the bottom, with a covering letter from me. I also
sent a copy of the covering letter to the headmaster. He was never
taught by that teacher again.

Yes my son was told by one of his teachers god wanted Homosexuals dead.
I did much what you did just more public.

I would have been 'more public' if that had happened to my offspring. That
was plainly wrong, whereas "Draw a picture of your god" was merely
thoughtlessness.
I never did hear what happened to that teacher, whether she was fired or
just transferred to other duties.

This teacher was removed or at least moved to a different school. I
wonder what they school would have said if one of the kids had acted
on this schools hate.

Kevrob

2017-03-10 21:14:10 UTC

Post by Davej
So you feel the schools are "promoting" atheism? How are
they doing that? Shouldn't the PARENTS handle the religious
instruction?

Schools and government should be religion neutral IMO.

Both are generally forbidden by law from promoting one religion
over another, but many individual instructors are known to
ignore the rules and promote their own religious views.

Only if you are referring to government schools, aka in the US,
"the public schools." Which is as should be, but no such restriction
is set on private schools, nor should there be.

I hate the sloppy thinking that uses "the schools" or "schools"
to only mean ones owned by instrumentalities of the state.

Kevin R

Jeanne Douglas

2017-03-08 21:07:09 UTC

Post by Mattb.
[...]
What scientific test do they use to prove atheism is correct?

You're the one making the insane claim that "atheism" is
taught in the schools. How do you teach atheism?

I suspect they think any school which isn't actively promoting and
proselytizing religion is teaching atheism. Any school teaching the
facts of science is teaching atheism.

Face it, these people are nuts.

--
JD

"May your winter feast be an orgy of delight"
-- The Big Furry, Late Show with Stephen
Colbert

Mattb.

2017-03-08 20:09:23 UTC

On Wed, 08 Mar 2017 13:07:09 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

Post by Jeanne Douglas

Post by Mattb.
[...]
What scientific test do they use to prove atheism is correct?

You're the one making the insane claim that "atheism" is
taught in the schools. How do you teach atheism?

Actually I have for years said I don't want religion proselytized in
schools or in government including atheism.. We see again a atheist
with the IQ of Duke.

Now teaching a limited basic amount of all religions from Atheism to
wicca wouldn't bother me as long as it is not proselytized one over
the other.

Give out the basics and let each person decide for themselves.

Cloud Hobbit

2017-03-08 05:34:55 UTC

No. Nor should any religious beliefs be promoted.

What shoul be promoted is how to think correctly. What facts are.
How to use logic and why the illogical and irrational shoul be rejected.
That would very likely cause atheism to become the dominant belief and kick theism to the kerb where it belongs.

Alex W.

2017-03-08 06:33:54 UTC

Post by Cloud Hobbit
No. Nor should any religious beliefs be promoted.
What shoul be promoted is how to think correctly. What facts are.
How to use logic and why the illogical and irrational shoul be
rejected. That would very likely cause atheism to become the dominant
belief and kick theism to the kerb where it belongs.

Which is desirable, but does not devalue the usefulness of teaching
comparative religion, as is commonly the case in Europe. Knowledge
breeds awareness, and it helps to know the basics of the major belief
systems around the world. After all, those kids will invariably
encounter believers from some, many or even all of those faiths in their
daily lives.

Mattb.

2017-03-08 20:41:42 UTC

Post by Alex W.

True they will and I prefer to know a little about them. A little
basic knowledge of the beliefs these people follow.

For a example how many people walking the streets today if they see or
hear a Wiccan think witch or Satan? When in fact they don't believe
in Satan and there first creed is to 'do what you want as long as you
harm none' or something close to that. Knowing that might make one
more tolerant.

Kevrob

2017-03-08 21:24:57 UTC

Post by Alex W.

Which is desirable, but does not devalue the usefulness of teaching
comparative religion, as is commonly the case in Europe.

I got comparative religion in the US Catholic schools I attended.
Was it a little biased towards Christianity and Catholicism?
To the extent that they said "ours is the true one," yes.
Still, I know what the 5 pillars of Isalm and the Eightfold path
are, and if I haven't got them memorized, I once did. I know
what to search for on the internet to refresh my memory.

Post by Alex W.
Knowledge
breeds awareness, and it helps to know the basics of the major belief
systems around the world. After all, those kids will invariably
encounter believers from some, many or even all of those faiths in their
daily lives.

Plus, if you know what the infidels believe, it helps you flush
them from hiding so you can convert or destroy them!

{Just kidding, I hope!}

Kevin R

Siri Cruise

2017-03-08 14:33:43 UTC

Too bad you never got such an education.

Post by Cloud Hobbit
That would very likely cause atheism to become the dominant belief and kick
theism to the kerb where it belongs.

Are you saying Jesuits don't learn anything about science, math, or logic?

--
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
Free the Amos Yee one.
Yeah, too bad about your so-called life. Ha-ha.

Mattb.

2017-03-08 20:33:06 UTC

On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 21:34:55 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit
No. Nor should any religious beliefs be promoted.
What shoul be promoted is how to think correctly. What facts are.
How to use logic and why the illogical and irrational shoul be rejected.
That would very likely cause atheism to become the dominant belief and kick theism to the kerb where it belongs.

Maybe. Though logic taught at a liberal school? Want to see the
results of Logic and Universities look at Berkeley protesters last
month.

I believe we need to promote tolerance and Logic. Also a sense of
personal responsibility.

Siri Cruise

2017-03-08 21:14:26 UTC

Post by Mattb.
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 21:34:55 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit
No. Nor should any religious beliefs be promoted.
What shoul be promoted is how to think correctly. What facts are.
How to use logic and why the illogical and irrational shoul be rejected.
That would very likely cause atheism to become the dominant belief and kick
theism to the kerb where it belongs.

Maybe. Though logic taught at a liberal school? Want to see the
results of Logic and Universities look at Berkeley protesters last
month.

Logic is taught in math departments.

--
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
Free the Amos Yee one.
Yeah, too bad about your so-called life. Ha-ha.

Kevrob

2017-03-08 21:32:51 UTC

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by Mattb.
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 21:34:55 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit
No. Nor should any religious beliefs be promoted.
What shoul be promoted is how to think correctly. What facts are.
How to use logic and why the illogical and irrational shoul be rejected.
That would very likely cause atheism to become the dominant belief and kick
theism to the kerb where it belongs.

Maybe. Though logic taught at a liberal school? Want to see the
results of Logic and Universities look at Berkeley protesters last
month.

Logic is taught in math departments.

...and philosophy departments. My college allowed you to apply credit
in logic class toward either discipline, when calculating the number of
credits needed to qualify for a "major" in each field.

Kevin R

Mattb.

2017-03-08 23:25:52 UTC

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by Mattb.
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 21:34:55 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit
No. Nor should any religious beliefs be promoted.
What shoul be promoted is how to think correctly. What facts are.
How to use logic and why the illogical and irrational shoul be rejected.
That would very likely cause atheism to become the dominant belief and kick
theism to the kerb where it belongs.

Maybe. Though logic taught at a liberal school? Want to see the
results of Logic and Universities look at Berkeley protesters last
month.

Logic is taught in math departments.

Superstrings and Logic?

Davej

2017-03-08 15:34:24 UTC

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

How exactly would you do that?

You want to teach them to worship all the various gods?

Christopher A. Lee

2017-03-08 15:43:18 UTC

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

How exactly would you do that?
You want to teach them to worship all the various gods?

He was just being deliberately stupid.

Mattb.

2017-03-08 20:27:33 UTC

On Wed, 08 Mar 2017 09:43:18 -0600, Christopher A. Lee

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

How exactly would you do that?
You want to teach them to worship all the various gods?

He was just being deliberately stupid.

Who said worship, do you Lee worship the gods you know about? Lee is
a fundie Christian I knew it he is so much like Duke.

Joe Bruno

2017-03-10 20:57:59 UTC

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

How exactly would you do that?
You want to teach them to worship all the various gods?

He was just being deliberately stupid.

Compared to you, he's a genius.

Mattb.

2017-03-08 20:43:16 UTC

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

How exactly would you do that?
You want to teach them to worship all the various gods?

Tell me do you know nothing of any religion but one? Do you worship
all you have a basic knowledge of?

Kevrob

2017-03-08 21:27:17 UTC

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

How exactly would you do that?

Compelling the kidlets to observe certain religious practices should
be enough to engender cynicism and rebellion in them.*

Post by Davej
You want to teach them to worship all the various gods?

Not worship, just know about them. I recommend Stan Lee
and Jack Kirby for the Norse variety, and Harryhausen
movies for the Greeks. :)

Kevin R

* atheist ex-Catholic schoolboy

Your Founding Fathers Erred

2017-03-08 23:52:40 UTC

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

The USA Constitution is Atheistic to the core and promoted in schools. So what's your problem?

Mattb.

2017-03-08 23:46:31 UTC

On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 15:52:40 -0800 (PST), Your Founding Fathers Erred

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

The USA Constitution is Atheistic to the core and promoted in schools. So what's your problem?

Who said I had a problem? Now promote liberal type agenda is schools
and I have a problem. Look to Berkeley and see why.

Jefferson Was An Impious Slave Molester

2017-03-09 15:30:11 UTC

Post by Mattb.
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 15:52:40 -0800 (PST), Your Founding Fathers Erred

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

The USA Constitution is Atheistic to the core and promoted in schools. So what's your problem?

Who said I had a problem? Now promote liberal type agenda is schools
and I have a problem. Look to Berkeley and see why.

So you have NO concern for that blatant moral liberalism promoted by Atheism in the US Constitution? WHY?

Mattb.

2017-03-09 19:11:26 UTC

Post by Jefferson Was An Impious Slave Molester

On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 07:30:11 -0800 (PST), Jefferson Was An Impious

Post by Mattb.
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 15:52:40 -0800 (PST), Your Founding Fathers Erred

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

The USA Constitution is Atheistic to the core and promoted in schools. So what's your problem?

Who said I had a problem? Now promote liberal type agenda is schools
and I have a problem. Look to Berkeley and see why.

So you have NO concern for that blatant moral liberalism promoted by Atheism in the US Constitution? WHY?

I consider the US Constitution to be more religion-neutral than
atheistic. The US Constitution was more about the rights of the
individual to worship or not as an individual choice and not one
applied by government. It is not an atheistic document at all last
thing I'd want is atheism of the type many in this group subscribes
to.

So I believe the US Constitution was written to provide a government
that is religiously neutral, not atheistic

Cloud Hobbit

2017-03-14 04:09:17 UTC

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Post by Mattb.
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 15:52:40 -0800 (PST), Your Founding Fathers Erred

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

The USA Constitution is Atheistic to the core and promoted in schools. So what's your problem?

Who said I had a problem? Now promote liberal type agenda is schools
and I have a problem. Look to Berkeley and see why.

So you have NO concern for that blatant moral liberalism promoted by Atheism in the US Constitution? WHY?

I don't see the Constitution as atheistic, I see it as secular, open to all beliefs but not letting religious belief trump common sense and logic.

I don't know what you mean by moral liberalism, I just see allowing humans to set their own moral standards as long as they don't conflict with the Constitution. Why is that bad?

I see the Constitution as one kind of liberalism, the classic kind. Modern liberalism is another matter altogether and bears little resemblance the classic kind. I don't see the attraction of trying to get the government to keep trying for equality of outcome instead of equality of opportunity. I don't see the need for sending ourselves into massive debt and deficits.

I prefer my government to enforce the Constitution not try and find ways to subvert it.

Kadaitcha Man

2017-03-14 05:09:56 UTC

Cloud Hobbit, pernicious and blubbery marble-breasted tyrant. Ye

Post by Cloud Hobbit
I don't know what you mean by moral liberalism

About 10,600,000 results (0.80 seconds)

"I prefer to blame the idiots who created all these myths and the
stupidity it created."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

--
"You're a wholly evil fucker. You take the 'I am a bastard' stance, and
extrapolate it out to 'I am an absolute uncaring bastard with the time
and means to make almost anyone suffer.' Whereas other people have
some faint nascent ideal about 'lines that should not be crossed', you
barge through taboo, and straight through 'unthinking prejudice', right
into "knock 'em down and then fuck them over."

David Andrew Clayton to yours truly.

duke

2017-03-14 12:45:08 UTC

Post by Jefferson Was An Impious Slave Molester

On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:09:17 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit

Post by Mattb.
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 15:52:40 -0800 (PST), Your Founding Fathers Erred

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

The USA Constitution is Atheistic to the core and promoted in schools. So what's your problem?

Who said I had a problem? Now promote liberal type agenda is schools
and I have a problem. Look to Berkeley and see why.

So you have NO concern for that blatant moral liberalism promoted by Atheism in the US Constitution? WHY?

I don't see the Constitution as atheistic, I see it as secular, open to all beliefs but not letting religious belief trump common sense and logic.

What common sense and logic?? You're joking of course.

Post by Cloud Hobbit
I don't know what you mean by moral liberalism, I just see allowing humans to set their own moral standards as long as they don't conflict with the Constitution. Why is that bad?
I see the Constitution as one kind of liberalism, the classic kind. Modern liberalism is another matter altogether and bears little resemblance the classic kind. I don't see the attraction of trying to get the government to keep trying for equality of outcome instead of equality of opportunity. I don't see the need for sending ourselves into massive debt and deficits.
I prefer my government to enforce the Constitution not try and find ways to subvert it.

Great, then quit hindering the free exercise of religion is all places.

the dukester, American-American

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2017-03-09 18:31:34 UTC

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

Schools should promote neutrality. Reading, Writing, Arithmetic and Research should be promoted, Basic real hard sciences should be taught and theories should be labeled as such.

Mattb.

2017-03-09 19:12:42 UTC

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Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

Schools should promote neutrality. Reading, Writing, Arithmetic and Research should be promoted, Basic real hard sciences should be taught and theories should be labeled as such.

I agree

Joe Bruno

2017-03-10 17:38:37 UTC

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

That's illegal under US law.The Supreme Ct has ruled that teaching any form of religion in public schools violates the Establishment clause of the 1st amendment to the Constitution.

Kevrob

2017-03-10 22:34:02 UTC

Post by Joe Bruno

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

That's illegal under US law.The Supreme Ct has ruled that teaching any form of religion in public schools violates the Establishment clause of the 1st amendment to the Constitution.

More specifically, if a policy of teaching comparative religion
were adopted by a local public school system, or by a state department
of education as a curriculum guide, it would have to pass what is known
as "The Lemon Test."

[quote]

The statute must have a secular legislative purpose.
(Also known as the Purpose Prong)
The principal or primary effect of the statute must
not advance nor inhibit religion. (Also known as the Effect Prong)
The statute must not result in an "excessive government
entanglement" with religion. (Also known as the Entanglement Prong)

Factors.

Character and purpose of institution benefited.
Nature of aid the state provides.
Resulting relationship between government and religious authority.

[/quote]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon_v._Kurtzman#Lemon_test

Ideally, any such course would neither promote nor discourage
either religion, nor irreligion. The administrators could break
such a course up, as was done in the Catholic schools I attended,
and teach about world religions* in social studies courses,
geography courses, and history courses. Literature courses do
have to teach something about mythology, or how could you understand
much of poetry, or Shakespeare. It'd be tough to read Milton or Dante
if you knew nothing of religion. Learning about famous (or infamous)
atheists and agnostics would be important if you were studying the rise
of Marxism, the Romantic movement, or the existentialists.

A proper education will touch on these things, even if the teachers
never advocate for or against them. Of course, some censorious folk
of many philosophical backgrounds will consider teaching "about" as
akin to indoctrination, no matter how neutral it is made. Who
would like to volunteer to write a "neutral" view of the partition
of the sub-continent into India and Pakistan? I'll pass.

see also ABINGDON v SCHEMPP (1963)

This struck down government school-sponsored bible reading.

Justice Clark's opinion

[quote]

In addition, it might well be said that one's education is not
complete without a study of comparative religion or the history
of religion and its relationship to the advancement of civilization.
It certainly may be said that the Bible is worthy of study for its
literary and historic qualities. Nothing we have said here indicates
that such study of the Bible or of religion, when presented objectively
as part of a secular program of education, may not be effected consistently
with the First Amendment. But the exercises here do not fall into those categories. They are religious exercises, required by the States in violation
of the command of the First Amendment that the Government maintain
strict neutrality, neither aiding nor opposing religion.

Finally, we cannot accept that the concept of neutrality, which does
not permit a State to require a religious exercise even with the consent
of the majority of those [374 U.S. 203, 226] affected, collides with
the majority's right to free exercise of religion. 10 While the Free
Exercise Clause clearly prohibits the use of state action to deny the
rights of free exercise to anyone, it has never meant that a majority could
use the machinery of the State to practice its beliefs. Such a
contention was effectively answered by Mr. Justice Jackson for the Court in
West Virginia Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624, 638 (1943)

[/quote]

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/374/203.html

Decided: June 17, 1963

Teaching "about": OK
Doing religious or irreligious indoctrination: not OK.

Kevin R

Joe Bruno

2017-03-11 04:21:13 UTC

Post by Joe Bruno

Post by Mattb.
Should atheism be promoted in schools?

That's illegal under US law.The Supreme Ct has ruled that teaching any form of religion in public schools violates the Establishment clause of the 1st amendment to the Constitution.

More specifically, if a policy of teaching comparative religion
were adopted by a local public school system, or by a state department
of education as a curriculum guide, it would have to pass what is known
as "The Lemon Test."
[quote]
The statute must have a secular legislative purpose.
(Also known as the Purpose Prong)
The principal or primary effect of the statute must
not advance nor inhibit religion. (Also known as the Effect Prong)
The statute must not result in an "excessive government
entanglement" with religion. (Also known as the Entanglement Prong)
Factors.
Character and purpose of institution benefited.
Nature of aid the state provides.
Resulting relationship between government and religious authority.
[/quote]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon_v._Kurtzman#Lemon_test
Ideally, any such course would neither promote nor discourage
either religion, nor irreligion. The administrators could break
such a course up, as was done in the Catholic schools I attended,
and teach about world religions* in social studies courses,
geography courses, and history courses. Literature courses do
have to teach something about mythology, or how could you understand
much of poetry, or Shakespeare. It'd be tough to read Milton or Dante
if you knew nothing of religion. Learning about famous (or infamous)
atheists and agnostics would be important if you were studying the rise
of Marxism, the Romantic movement, or the existentialists.
A proper education will touch on these things, even if the teachers
never advocate for or against them. Of course, some censorious folk
of many philosophical backgrounds will consider teaching "about" as
akin to indoctrination, no matter how neutral it is made. Who
would like to volunteer to write a "neutral" view of the partition
of the sub-continent into India and Pakistan? I'll pass.
see also ABINGDON v SCHEMPP (1963)
This struck down government school-sponsored bible reading.
Justice Clark's opinion
[quote]
In addition, it might well be said that one's education is not
complete without a study of comparative religion or the history
of religion and its relationship to the advancement of civilization.
It certainly may be said that the Bible is worthy of study for its
literary and historic qualities. Nothing we have said here indicates
that such study of the Bible or of religion, when presented objectively
as part of a secular program of education, may not be effected consistently
with the First Amendment. But the exercises here do not fall into those categories. They are religious exercises, required by the States in violation
of the command of the First Amendment that the Government maintain
strict neutrality, neither aiding nor opposing religion.
Finally, we cannot accept that the concept of neutrality, which does
not permit a State to require a religious exercise even with the consent
of the majority of those [374 U.S. 203, 226] affected, collides with
the majority's right to free exercise of religion. 10 While the Free
Exercise Clause clearly prohibits the use of state action to deny the
rights of free exercise to anyone, it has never meant that a majority could
use the machinery of the State to practice its beliefs. Such a
contention was effectively answered by Mr. Justice Jackson for the Court in
West Virginia Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624, 638 (1943)
[/quote]
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/374/203.html
Decided: June 17, 1963
Teaching "about": OK
Doing religious or irreligious indoctrination: not OK.
Kevin R

I think that's what I said. You certainly have a talent for being verbose.

Malcolm McMahon

2017-03-14 13:06:34 UTC