Labor to remove Tampon tax if elected, will there be strings attached

[de chucka]

The tax on sanitary thingies/equipment is one of the weirdest and ,imho,
the most sexist tax ever, it is not like menstruation is optional ( OK
yes it is but you know what I mean), You can understand why it is still
there with cavemen like Abbott saying "Removing the GST from tampons
would be a "politically correct" mistake, Tony Abbott has said, just
hours after Labor's Tanya Plibersek renewed a push to remove the sales
tax from sanitary items."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-07/tony-abbott-tanya-plibersek-at-odds-on-tampon-tax/9524610

Politically it is a good move from Labor but this is one case where good
politics and good policy are one and the same

https://tinyurl.com/y8cq9pb8
Tampon tax to be axed if Labor wins election, alternative medicines to
pick up GST slack
By David Spicer

The Labor Party has pledged to abolish the Goods and Services Tax on
tampons if it wins the next election and instead raise extra money on
alternative health treatments that are currently exempt from the GST.

The Party has long argued that the tax on tampons should not have been
applied in the first place, because sanitary products are a necessary
for reproductive health and not a luxury item.

[FMurtz]

Post by de chucka
The tax on sanitary thingies/equipment is one of the weirdest and ,imho,
the most sexist tax ever, it is not like menstruation is optional ( OK
yes it is but you know what I mean), You can understand why it is still
there with cavemen like Abbott saying "Removing the GST from tampons
would be a "politically correct" mistake, Tony Abbott has said, just
hours after Labor's Tanya Plibersek renewed a push to remove the sales
tax from sanitary items."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-07/tony-abbott-tanya-plibersek-at-odds-on-tampon-tax/9524610
Politically it is a good move from Labor but this is one case where good
politics and good policy are one and the same
https://tinyurl.com/y8cq9pb8
Tampon tax to be axed if Labor wins election, alternative medicines to
pick up GST slack
By David Spicer
The Labor Party has pledged to abolish the Goods and Services Tax on
tampons if it wins the next election and instead raise extra money on
alternative health treatments that are currently exempt from the GST.
The Party has long argued that the tax on tampons should not have been
applied in the first place, because sanitary products are a necessary
for reproductive health and not a luxury item.

How do they do that when it is the states purview and they wont?

[de chucka]

Post by FMurtz

Post by de chucka
The tax on sanitary thingies/equipment is one of the weirdest and
,imho, the most sexist tax ever, it is not like menstruation is
optional ( OK yes it is but you know what I mean), You can understand
why it is still there with cavemen like Abbott saying "Removing the
GST from tampons would be a "politically correct" mistake, Tony Abbott
has said, just hours after Labor's Tanya Plibersek renewed a push to
remove the sales tax from sanitary items."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-07/tony-abbott-tanya-plibersek-at-odds-on-tampon-tax/9524610
Politically it is a good move from Labor but this is one case where
good politics and good policy are one and the same
https://tinyurl.com/y8cq9pb8
Tampon tax to be axed if Labor wins election, alternative medicines to
pick up GST slack
By David Spicer
The Labor Party has pledged to abolish the Goods and Services Tax on
tampons if it wins the next election and instead raise extra money on
alternative health treatments that are currently exempt from the GST.
The Party has long argued that the tax on tampons should not have been
applied in the first place, because sanitary products are a necessary
for reproductive health and not a luxury item.

How do they do that when it is the states purview and they wont?

If the States get their money they won't care where it comes from and
Labor will replace he money.

[Fran]

Post by FMurtz

Post by de chucka
The tax on sanitary thingies/equipment is one of the weirdest and
,imho, the most sexist tax ever, it is not like menstruation is
optional ( OK yes it is but you know what I mean), You can understand
why it is still there with cavemen like Abbott saying "Removing the
GST from tampons would be a "politically correct" mistake, Tony Abbott
has said, just hours after Labor's Tanya Plibersek renewed a push to
remove the sales tax from sanitary items."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-07/tony-abbott-tanya-plibersek-at-odds-on-tampon-tax/9524610
Politically it is a good move from Labor but this is one case where
good politics and good policy are one and the same
https://tinyurl.com/y8cq9pb8
Tampon tax to be axed if Labor wins election, alternative medicines to
pick up GST slack
By David Spicer
The Labor Party has pledged to abolish the Goods and Services Tax on
tampons if it wins the next election and instead raise extra money on
alternative health treatments that are currently exempt from the GST.
The Party has long argued that the tax on tampons should not have been
applied in the first place, because sanitary products are a necessary
for reproductive health and not a luxury item.

How do they do that when it is the states purview and they wont?

I don't understand your post Murtz. What are you saying is the States
purview and the States won't what?

[Daniel60]

Post by de chucka
The tax on sanitary thingies/equipment is one of the weirdest and ,imho,
the most sexist tax ever, it is not like menstruation is optional ( OK
yes it is but you know what I mean), You can understand why it is still
there with cavemen like Abbott saying "Removing the GST from tampons
would be a "politically correct" mistake, Tony Abbott has said, just
hours after Labor's Tanya Plibersek renewed a push to remove the sales
tax from sanitary items."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-07/tony-abbott-tanya-plibersek-at-odds-on-tampon-tax/9524610
Politically it is a good move from Labor but this is one case where good
politics and good policy are one and the same
https://tinyurl.com/y8cq9pb8
Tampon tax to be axed if Labor wins election, alternative medicines to
pick up GST slack
By David Spicer
The Labor Party has pledged to abolish the Goods and Services Tax on
tampons if it wins the next election and instead raise extra money on
alternative health treatments that are currently exempt from the GST.
The Party has long argued that the tax on tampons should not have been
applied in the first place, because sanitary products are a necessary
for reproductive health and not a luxury item.

I thought, when Howard/Costello introduced the G.S.T., it was supposed
to replace several different Tax's, including Sales Tax!

Or did this get changed in the Legislation??

[de chucka]

Post by Daniel60

Post by de chucka
The tax on sanitary thingies/equipment is one of the weirdest and
,imho, the most sexist tax ever, it is not like menstruation is
optional ( OK yes it is but you know what I mean), You can understand
why it is still there with cavemen like Abbott saying "Removing the
GST from tampons would be a "politically correct" mistake, Tony Abbott
has said, just hours after Labor's Tanya Plibersek renewed a push to
remove the sales tax from sanitary items."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-07/tony-abbott-tanya-plibersek-at-odds-on-tampon-tax/9524610
Politically it is a good move from Labor but this is one case where
good politics and good policy are one and the same
https://tinyurl.com/y8cq9pb8
Tampon tax to be axed if Labor wins election, alternative medicines to
pick up GST slack
By David Spicer
The Labor Party has pledged to abolish the Goods and Services Tax on
tampons if it wins the next election and instead raise extra money on
alternative health treatments that are currently exempt from the GST.
The Party has long argued that the tax on tampons should not have been
applied in the first place, because sanitary products are a necessary
for reproductive health and not a luxury item.

I thought, when Howard/Costello introduced the G.S.T., it was supposed
to replace several different Tax's, including Sales Tax!

It did

Post by Daniel60
Or did this get changed in the Legislation??

[Fran]

Post by Daniel60

Post by de chucka
The tax on sanitary thingies/equipment is one of the weirdest and
,imho, the most sexist tax ever, it is not like menstruation is
optional ( OK yes it is but you know what I mean), You can understand
why it is still there with cavemen like Abbott saying "Removing the
GST from tampons would be a "politically correct" mistake, Tony Abbott
has said, just hours after Labor's Tanya Plibersek renewed a push to
remove the sales tax from sanitary items."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-07/tony-abbott-tanya-plibersek-at-odds-on-tampon-tax/9524610
Politically it is a good move from Labor but this is one case where
good politics and good policy are one and the same
https://tinyurl.com/y8cq9pb8
Tampon tax to be axed if Labor wins election, alternative medicines to
pick up GST slack
By David Spicer
The Labor Party has pledged to abolish the Goods and Services Tax on
tampons if it wins the next election and instead raise extra money on
alternative health treatments that are currently exempt from the GST.
The Party has long argued that the tax on tampons should not have been
applied in the first place, because sanitary products are a necessary
for reproductive health and not a luxury item.

I thought, when Howard/Costello introduced the G.S.T., it was supposed
to replace several different Tax's, including Sales Tax!

It was supposed to replace a lot of State taxes, but stupidly, the Feds
didn't wait till AFTER the States had gotten rid of those taxes before
they introduced the GST. Bad faith on the part of the States IMO. Some
States got rid of some taxes but not all States got rid of all the taxes
they had promised they would remove.

Post by Daniel60
Or did this get changed in the Legislation??

[MattB]

Post by de chucka
The tax on sanitary thingies/equipment is one of the weirdest and ,imho,
the most sexist tax ever, it is not like menstruation is optional ( OK
yes it is but you know what I mean), You can understand why it is still
there with cavemen like Abbott saying "Removing the GST from tampons
would be a "politically correct" mistake, Tony Abbott has said, just
hours after Labor's Tanya Plibersek renewed a push to remove the sales
tax from sanitary items."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-07/tony-abbott-tanya-plibersek-at-odds-on-tampon-tax/9524610
Politically it is a good move from Labor but this is one case where good
politics and good policy are one and the same
https://tinyurl.com/y8cq9pb8
Tampon tax to be axed if Labor wins election, alternative medicines to
pick up GST slack
By David Spicer
The Labor Party has pledged to abolish the Goods and Services Tax on
tampons if it wins the next election and instead raise extra money on
alternative health treatments that are currently exempt from the GST.
The Party has long argued that the tax on tampons should not have been
applied in the first place, because sanitary products are a necessary
for reproductive health and not a luxury item.

Australia has a tax on Tampons? Why did they do this?

I bitch when the US liberals want to tax Soda.

[de chucka]

Post by MattB

Post by de chucka
The tax on sanitary thingies/equipment is one of the weirdest and ,imho,
the most sexist tax ever, it is not like menstruation is optional ( OK
yes it is but you know what I mean), You can understand why it is still
there with cavemen like Abbott saying "Removing the GST from tampons
would be a "politically correct" mistake, Tony Abbott has said, just
hours after Labor's Tanya Plibersek renewed a push to remove the sales
tax from sanitary items."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-07/tony-abbott-tanya-plibersek-at-odds-on-tampon-tax/9524610
Politically it is a good move from Labor but this is one case where good
politics and good policy are one and the same
https://tinyurl.com/y8cq9pb8
Tampon tax to be axed if Labor wins election, alternative medicines to
pick up GST slack
By David Spicer
The Labor Party has pledged to abolish the Goods and Services Tax on
tampons if it wins the next election and instead raise extra money on
alternative health treatments that are currently exempt from the GST.
The Party has long argued that the tax on tampons should not have been
applied in the first place, because sanitary products are a necessary
for reproductive health and not a luxury item.

Australia has a tax on Tampons?

It is part of the GST

Post by MattB
Why did they do this?

Are sanitary products exempt from State and Federal Sales taxes/GST/VAT
or whatever in the US

Post by MattB
I bitch when the US liberals want to tax Soda.

I bet you it is taxed somehow already

[MattB]

Post by de chucka

Post by MattB

Post by de chucka
The tax on sanitary thingies/equipment is one of the weirdest and ,imho,
the most sexist tax ever, it is not like menstruation is optional ( OK
yes it is but you know what I mean), You can understand why it is still
there with cavemen like Abbott saying "Removing the GST from tampons
would be a "politically correct" mistake, Tony Abbott has said, just
hours after Labor's Tanya Plibersek renewed a push to remove the sales
tax from sanitary items."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-07/tony-abbott-tanya-plibersek-at-odds-on-tampon-tax/9524610
Politically it is a good move from Labor but this is one case where good
politics and good policy are one and the same
https://tinyurl.com/y8cq9pb8
Tampon tax to be axed if Labor wins election, alternative medicines to
pick up GST slack
By David Spicer
The Labor Party has pledged to abolish the Goods and Services Tax on
tampons if it wins the next election and instead raise extra money on
alternative health treatments that are currently exempt from the GST.
The Party has long argued that the tax on tampons should not have been
applied in the first place, because sanitary products are a necessary
for reproductive health and not a luxury item.

Australia has a tax on Tampons?

It is part of the GST

Post by MattB
Why did they do this?

Are sanitary products exempt from State and Federal Sales taxes/GST/VAT
or whatever in the US

That depends on the State I suppose.

Post by de chucka

Post by MattB
I bitch when the US liberals want to tax Soda.

I bet you it is taxed somehow already

Sales Tax yes and almost everything has that here except food.

When I said tax soda a meant a special tax applied only to soda.

Are Tampons only taxed with sales tax in Australia?

[de chucka]

Post by MattB

Post by de chucka

Post by MattB

Post by de chucka
The tax on sanitary thingies/equipment is one of the weirdest and ,imho,
the most sexist tax ever, it is not like menstruation is optional ( OK
yes it is but you know what I mean), You can understand why it is still
there with cavemen like Abbott saying "Removing the GST from tampons
would be a "politically correct" mistake, Tony Abbott has said, just
hours after Labor's Tanya Plibersek renewed a push to remove the sales
tax from sanitary items."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-07/tony-abbott-tanya-plibersek-at-odds-on-tampon-tax/9524610
Politically it is a good move from Labor but this is one case where good
politics and good policy are one and the same
https://tinyurl.com/y8cq9pb8
Tampon tax to be axed if Labor wins election, alternative medicines to
pick up GST slack
By David Spicer
The Labor Party has pledged to abolish the Goods and Services Tax on
tampons if it wins the next election and instead raise extra money on
alternative health treatments that are currently exempt from the GST.
The Party has long argued that the tax on tampons should not have been
applied in the first place, because sanitary products are a necessary
for reproductive health and not a luxury item.

Australia has a tax on Tampons?

It is part of the GST

Post by MattB
Why did they do this?

Are sanitary products exempt from State and Federal Sales taxes/GST/VAT
or whatever in the US

That depends on the State I suppose.

Post by de chucka

Post by MattB
I bitch when the US liberals want to tax Soda.

I bet you it is taxed somehow already

Sales Tax yes and almost everything has that here except food.
When I said tax soda a meant a special tax applied only to soda.
Are Tampons only taxed with sales tax in Australia?

mat mat mate maaaate, if you could comprehend you would note I have
already stated they are taxed under the GST.

For some reason when the GST was put in they were not considered
essential goods and therefore not exempted which I think is bloody
stupid idea period

[MattB]

Post by de chucka

Post by MattB

Post by de chucka

Post by MattB

Post by de chucka
The tax on sanitary thingies/equipment is one of the weirdest and ,imho,
the most sexist tax ever, it is not like menstruation is optional ( OK
yes it is but you know what I mean), You can understand why it is still
there with cavemen like Abbott saying "Removing the GST from tampons
would be a "politically correct" mistake, Tony Abbott has said, just
hours after Labor's Tanya Plibersek renewed a push to remove the sales
tax from sanitary items."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-07/tony-abbott-tanya-plibersek-at-odds-on-tampon-tax/9524610
Politically it is a good move from Labor but this is one case where good
politics and good policy are one and the same
https://tinyurl.com/y8cq9pb8
Tampon tax to be axed if Labor wins election, alternative medicines to
pick up GST slack
By David Spicer
The Labor Party has pledged to abolish the Goods and Services Tax on
tampons if it wins the next election and instead raise extra money on
alternative health treatments that are currently exempt from the GST.
The Party has long argued that the tax on tampons should not have been
applied in the first place, because sanitary products are a necessary
for reproductive health and not a luxury item.

Australia has a tax on Tampons?

It is part of the GST

Post by MattB
Why did they do this?

Are sanitary products exempt from State and Federal Sales taxes/GST/VAT
or whatever in the US

That depends on the State I suppose.

Post by de chucka

Post by MattB
I bitch when the US liberals want to tax Soda.

I bet you it is taxed somehow already

Sales Tax yes and almost everything has that here except food.
When I said tax soda a meant a special tax applied only to soda.
Are Tampons only taxed with sales tax in Australia?

mat mat mate maaaate, if you could comprehend you would note I have
already stated they are taxed under the GST.

The all this is because it is taxed under a sales tax of about 10%? Do
they tax toothpaste or TP at that level.

Post by de chucka
For some reason when the GST was put in they were not considered
essential goods and therefore not exempted which I think is bloody
stupid idea period

Taxes that are logical and fair, you are not asking for much. ;-))

[de chucka]

Post by MattB

Post by de chucka

Post by MattB

Post by de chucka

Post by MattB

Post by de chucka
The tax on sanitary thingies/equipment is one of the weirdest and ,imho,
the most sexist tax ever, it is not like menstruation is optional ( OK
yes it is but you know what I mean), You can understand why it is still
there with cavemen like Abbott saying "Removing the GST from tampons
would be a "politically correct" mistake, Tony Abbott has said, just
hours after Labor's Tanya Plibersek renewed a push to remove the sales
tax from sanitary items."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-07/tony-abbott-tanya-plibersek-at-odds-on-tampon-tax/9524610
Politically it is a good move from Labor but this is one case where good
politics and good policy are one and the same
https://tinyurl.com/y8cq9pb8
Tampon tax to be axed if Labor wins election, alternative medicines to
pick up GST slack
By David Spicer
The Labor Party has pledged to abolish the Goods and Services Tax on
tampons if it wins the next election and instead raise extra money on
alternative health treatments that are currently exempt from the GST.
The Party has long argued that the tax on tampons should not have been
applied in the first place, because sanitary products are a necessary
for reproductive health and not a luxury item.

Australia has a tax on Tampons?

It is part of the GST

Post by MattB
Why did they do this?

Are sanitary products exempt from State and Federal Sales taxes/GST/VAT
or whatever in the US

That depends on the State I suppose.

Post by de chucka

Post by MattB
I bitch when the US liberals want to tax Soda.

I bet you it is taxed somehow already

Sales Tax yes and almost everything has that here except food.
When I said tax soda a meant a special tax applied only to soda.
Are Tampons only taxed with sales tax in Australia?

mat mat mate maaaate, if you could comprehend you would note I have
already stated they are taxed under the GST.

The all this is because it is taxed under a sales tax of about 10%?

What sales tax? This is a GST with exemptions which replaced sales taxes.
Do

Post by MattB
they tax toothpaste or TP at that level.

No idea

Post by MattB

Post by de chucka
For some reason when the GST was put in they were not considered
essential goods and therefore not exempted which I think is bloody
stupid idea period

Taxes that are logical and fair, you are not asking for much. ;-))

True, I'd rip up our legislation and stat again if I had my way

[Ördög]

/snip/
True, I'd rip up our legislation and stat again if I had my way

The GST was a mess created by the lying rodent Howard administration.

It was supposed to simplify an overly complex taxation system on sold
goods. But instead it has ended up to be a gross indirect tax money grab
by the rightwing government was intent on hitting the less wealthy
proportionally more in order to give a tax break for the top end of town
and which has failed to simplify anything.

If it was not now almost impossible to get rid of the GST I'd like to see
it gone. I am a firm proponent of the direct taxation of income and
profits at such levels as to make the services component of the GST
unnecessary.
Furthermore I'd like to see the sales tax component on essential goods
like all food items for instance, and on all resold second hand items
removed!

[MattB]

Post by de chucka

Post by MattB

Post by de chucka

Post by MattB

Post by de chucka

Post by MattB

Post by de chucka
The tax on sanitary thingies/equipment is one of the weirdest and ,imho,
the most sexist tax ever, it is not like menstruation is optional ( OK
yes it is but you know what I mean), You can understand why it is still
there with cavemen like Abbott saying "Removing the GST from tampons
would be a "politically correct" mistake, Tony Abbott has said, just
hours after Labor's Tanya Plibersek renewed a push to remove the sales
tax from sanitary items."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-07/tony-abbott-tanya-plibersek-at-odds-on-tampon-tax/9524610
Politically it is a good move from Labor but this is one case where good
politics and good policy are one and the same
https://tinyurl.com/y8cq9pb8
Tampon tax to be axed if Labor wins election, alternative medicines to
pick up GST slack
By David Spicer
The Labor Party has pledged to abolish the Goods and Services Tax on
tampons if it wins the next election and instead raise extra money on
alternative health treatments that are currently exempt from the GST.
The Party has long argued that the tax on tampons should not have been
applied in the first place, because sanitary products are a necessary
for reproductive health and not a luxury item.

Australia has a tax on Tampons?

It is part of the GST

Post by MattB
Why did they do this?

Are sanitary products exempt from State and Federal Sales taxes/GST/VAT
or whatever in the US

That depends on the State I suppose.

Post by de chucka

Post by MattB
I bitch when the US liberals want to tax Soda.

I bet you it is taxed somehow already

Sales Tax yes and almost everything has that here except food.
When I said tax soda a meant a special tax applied only to soda.
Are Tampons only taxed with sales tax in Australia?

mat mat mate maaaate, if you could comprehend you would note I have
already stated they are taxed under the GST.

The all this is because it is taxed under a sales tax of about 10%?

What sales tax? This is a GST with exemptions which replaced sales taxes.

OK. They so seem to be much the same.

Post by de chucka
Do

Post by MattB
they tax toothpaste or TP at that level.

No idea

Post by MattB

Post by de chucka
For some reason when the GST was put in they were not considered
essential goods and therefore not exempted which I think is bloody
stupid idea period

Taxes that are logical and fair, you are not asking for much. ;-))

True, I'd rip up our legislation and stat again if I had my way

Now on that we agree.

[Lions Growl of Butchers Foul]

Post by de chucka

Post by MattB

Post by de chucka

Post by MattB
Are Tampons only taxed with sales tax in Australia?

I understood this question, Dechucka clearly did not.
Yes, there is just this one tax that the most pampered and molly-coddled demographic on the planet is moaning about.

It's also worth noting that as far as personal income tax in Australia is concerned, we men pay almost exactly 2x as much as women do every year.
And of course, what *we* have left over is mostly spent by our women anyway.

Post by de chucka

Post by MattB

Post by de chucka
mat mat mate maaaate, if you could comprehend you would note I have
already stated they are taxed under the GST.

The all this is because it is taxed under a sales tax of about 10%?

What sales tax? This is a GST with exemptions which replaced sales taxes.

The GST *is* a Sales Tax, you doofus.

Post by de chucka

Post by MattB

Post by de chucka
For some reason when the GST was put in they were not considered
essential goods and therefore not exempted which I think is bloody
stupid idea period

Nor did they exempt 3-inch exhaust pipes, snooker cues or fishing rods, which is an utter disgrace too, but perhaps I forget my place is to be silent and pay my taxes so they can be spent making women's lives as leisurely and comfortable as possible.

[MattB]

On Tue, 1 May 2018 19:27:34 -0700 (PDT), Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by de chucka

Post by MattB

Post by de chucka

Post by MattB
Are Tampons only taxed with sales tax in Australia?

I understood this question, Dechucka clearly did not.
Yes, there is just this one tax that the most pampered and molly-coddled demographic on the planet is moaning about.
It's also worth noting that as far as personal income tax in Australia is concerned, we men pay almost exactly 2x as much as women do every year.
And of course, what *we* have left over is mostly spent by our women anyway.

Australia does not believe in women being equal?

Post by Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by de chucka

Post by MattB

Post by de chucka
mat mat mate maaaate, if you could comprehend you would note I have
already stated they are taxed under the GST.

The all this is because it is taxed under a sales tax of about 10%?

What sales tax? This is a GST with exemptions which replaced sales taxes.

The GST *is* a Sales Tax, you doofus.

It does sound like one.

Post by Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by de chucka

Post by MattB

Post by de chucka
For some reason when the GST was put in they were not considered
essential goods and therefore not exempted which I think is bloody
stupid idea period

Nor did they exempt 3-inch exhaust pipes, snooker cues or fishing rods, which is an utter disgrace too, but perhaps I forget my place is to be silent and pay my taxes so they can be spent making women's lives as leisurely and comfortable as possible.

[Fran]

Post by MattB
On Tue, 1 May 2018 19:27:34 -0700 (PDT), Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Lions Growl of Butchers Foul
The GST *is* a Sales Tax, you doofus.

It does sound like one.

Lion's spew is leading you astray. It's not a sales tax as that applies
to goods at the point of final sale. GST is applied along the supply
chain and also to services and some credits for GST paid can be claimed
back from the ATO.

[MattB]

On Wed, 2 May 2018 13:59:11 +1000, Fran

Post by Fran

Post by MattB
On Tue, 1 May 2018 19:27:34 -0700 (PDT), Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Lions Growl of Butchers Foul
The GST *is* a Sales Tax, you doofus.

It does sound like one.

Lion's spew is leading you astray. It's not a sales tax as that applies
to goods at the point of final sale. GST is applied along the supply
chain and also to services and some credits for GST paid can be claimed
back from the ATO.

Sound a little like a sales tax applied to the producer. In either
case close enough. Asked the wife and guess some States tax then and
some don't.

I have a lawyer for taxes and hate taxes in the USA. So complicated.

[Lions Growl of Butchers Foul]

Post by Fran

Post by MattB
On Tue, 1 May 2018 19:27:34 -0700 (PDT), Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Lions Growl of Butchers Foul
The GST *is* a Sales Tax, you doofus.

It does sound like one.

Lion's spew is leading you astray. It's not a sales tax as that applies
to goods at the point of final sale. GST is applied along the supply
chain and also to services and some credits for GST paid can be claimed
back from the ATO.

It is a Sales Tax with some of the mechanism of a VAT included.

The selling point of the GST was not that it "replaced Sales Tax", the point of it is that it is *one* Sales Tax that replaced 50-odd different Sales Taxes that businesses used to have to manage.

[Government Shill #2]

On Wed, 2 May 2018 16:32:17 -0700 (PDT), Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Fran

Post by MattB
On Tue, 1 May 2018 19:27:34 -0700 (PDT), Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Lions Growl of Butchers Foul
The GST *is* a Sales Tax, you doofus.

It does sound like one.

Lion's spew is leading you astray. It's not a sales tax as that applies
to goods at the point of final sale. GST is applied along the supply
chain and also to services and some credits for GST paid can be claimed
back from the ATO.

It is a Sales Tax with some of the mechanism of a VAT included.
The selling point of the GST was not that it "replaced Sales Tax", the point of it is that it is *one* Sales Tax that replaced 50-odd different Sales Taxes that businesses used to have to manage.

Plus it added services to the mix. The old sales tax system only taxed goods.
The GST is effectively a Goods and Services (Sales) Tax.

The other difference is that the old sales tax was levied on the wholesale price
of the goods. GST is levied on the retail price at the point of sale.

Shill #2
--
The information super highway showed the average person
what some nerd thinks about Star Trek.
Homer J. Simpson

[MattB]

On Thu, 03 May 2018 11:02:28 +1000, Government Shill #2

Post by Government Shill #2
On Wed, 2 May 2018 16:32:17 -0700 (PDT), Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Fran

Post by MattB
On Tue, 1 May 2018 19:27:34 -0700 (PDT), Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Lions Growl of Butchers Foul
The GST *is* a Sales Tax, you doofus.

It does sound like one.

Lion's spew is leading you astray. It's not a sales tax as that applies
to goods at the point of final sale. GST is applied along the supply
chain and also to services and some credits for GST paid can be claimed
back from the ATO.

It is a Sales Tax with some of the mechanism of a VAT included.
The selling point of the GST was not that it "replaced Sales Tax", the point of it is that it is *one* Sales Tax that replaced 50-odd different Sales Taxes that businesses used to have to manage.

Plus it added services to the mix. The old sales tax system only taxed goods.
The GST is effectively a Goods and Services (Sales) Tax.
The other difference is that the old sales tax was levied on the wholesale price
of the goods. GST is levied on the retail price at the point of sale.

Sounds worse than sales tax.

Post by Government Shill #2
Shill #2

[Government Shill #2]

Post by MattB
On Thu, 03 May 2018 11:02:28 +1000, Government Shill #2

Post by Government Shill #2
On Wed, 2 May 2018 16:32:17 -0700 (PDT), Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Fran

Post by MattB
On Tue, 1 May 2018 19:27:34 -0700 (PDT), Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Lions Growl of Butchers Foul
The GST *is* a Sales Tax, you doofus.

It does sound like one.

Lion's spew is leading you astray. It's not a sales tax as that applies
to goods at the point of final sale. GST is applied along the supply
chain and also to services and some credits for GST paid can be claimed
back from the ATO.

It is a Sales Tax with some of the mechanism of a VAT included.
The selling point of the GST was not that it "replaced Sales Tax", the point of it is that it is *one* Sales Tax that replaced 50-odd different Sales Taxes that businesses used to have to manage.

Plus it added services to the mix. The old sales tax system only taxed goods.
The GST is effectively a Goods and Services (Sales) Tax.
The other difference is that the old sales tax was levied on the wholesale price
of the goods. GST is levied on the retail price at the point of sale.

Sounds worse than sales tax.

Well, the old sales taxes were hidden. Most people didn't know they were paying
it. There was also a sliding scale of, from memory 10%, 20% and 30%, depending
on the type of product. Luxuries like cars and TVs were 30%. Computers ISTR were
20%. Something like that. They were raised to about 33% before they were
replaced.

The GST is a fixed 10% for (nearly) everything, and everyone knows that they are
paying it.

One, simple, fixed tax. Much better, I'd say.

Shill #2
--
I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)

[Government Shill #2]

Post by MattB
On Thu, 03 May 2018 11:02:28 +1000, Government Shill #2

Post by Government Shill #2
On Wed, 2 May 2018 16:32:17 -0700 (PDT), Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Fran

Post by MattB
On Tue, 1 May 2018 19:27:34 -0700 (PDT), Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Lions Growl of Butchers Foul
The GST *is* a Sales Tax, you doofus.

It does sound like one.

Lion's spew is leading you astray. It's not a sales tax as that applies
to goods at the point of final sale. GST is applied along the supply
chain and also to services and some credits for GST paid can be claimed
back from the ATO.

It is a Sales Tax with some of the mechanism of a VAT included.
The selling point of the GST was not that it "replaced Sales Tax", the point of it is that it is *one* Sales Tax that replaced 50-odd different Sales Taxes that businesses used to have to manage.

Plus it added services to the mix. The old sales tax system only taxed goods.
The GST is effectively a Goods and Services (Sales) Tax.
The other difference is that the old sales tax was levied on the wholesale price
of the goods. GST is levied on the retail price at the point of sale.

Sounds worse than sales tax.

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Economics/Completed_inquiries/pre1996/q_balance/report/c03/

<quote>
The tax rates depend upon the classification of the goods that are sold. They
are classified under

Schedules 1 to 7 of the Sales Tax 'Exemptions and Classification) Act 1992.

Schedule 1 exempts the goods listed, and hence a 0% rate applies.
Schedule 2 - 11% until 1 July 1995 when it increases to 12%
Schedule 3 - 16% until 1 July 1995 when it increases to 17%
Schedule 4 - 21% (the general rate) until 1 July 1995 when it increases to 22%
Schedule 5 - 31 % until 1 July 1995 when it increases to 32%.
Schedule 6 - 45%
Schedule 7 - 24% until 1 July 1995 when it increases to 26%.
</quote>

Shill #2
--
If you don't like your job you don't strike. You just go in
everyday and do it really half assed. That's the American way.
Homer J. Simpson

[MattB]

On Thu, 03 May 2018 16:33:23 +1000, Government Shill #2

Post by Government Shill #2

Post by MattB
On Thu, 03 May 2018 11:02:28 +1000, Government Shill #2

Post by Government Shill #2
On Wed, 2 May 2018 16:32:17 -0700 (PDT), Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Fran

Post by MattB
On Tue, 1 May 2018 19:27:34 -0700 (PDT), Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Lions Growl of Butchers Foul
The GST *is* a Sales Tax, you doofus.

It does sound like one.

Lion's spew is leading you astray. It's not a sales tax as that applies
to goods at the point of final sale. GST is applied along the supply
chain and also to services and some credits for GST paid can be claimed
back from the ATO.

It is a Sales Tax with some of the mechanism of a VAT included.
The selling point of the GST was not that it "replaced Sales Tax", the point of it is that it is *one* Sales Tax that replaced 50-odd different Sales Taxes that businesses used to have to manage.

Plus it added services to the mix. The old sales tax system only taxed goods.
The GST is effectively a Goods and Services (Sales) Tax.
The other difference is that the old sales tax was levied on the wholesale price
of the goods. GST is levied on the retail price at the point of sale.

Sounds worse than sales tax.

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Economics/Completed_inquiries/pre1996/q_balance/report/c03/
<quote>
The tax rates depend upon the classification of the goods that are sold. They
are classified under
Schedules 1 to 7 of the Sales Tax 'Exemptions and Classification) Act 1992.
Schedule 1 exempts the goods listed, and hence a 0% rate applies.
Schedule 2 - 11% until 1 July 1995 when it increases to 12%
Schedule 3 - 16% until 1 July 1995 when it increases to 17%
Schedule 4 - 21% (the general rate) until 1 July 1995 when it increases to 22%
Schedule 5 - 31 % until 1 July 1995 when it increases to 32%.
Schedule 6 - 45%
Schedule 7 - 24% until 1 July 1995 when it increases to 26%.
</quote>
Shill #2

Don't think I will bitch about American sales tax again. Australia
rates are/were insane.

[Bruce S]

Post by MattB
On Thu, 03 May 2018 16:33:23 +1000, Government Shill #2

Post by Government Shill #2

Post by MattB
On Thu, 03 May 2018 11:02:28 +1000, Government Shill #2

Post by Government Shill #2
On Wed, 2 May 2018 16:32:17 -0700 (PDT), Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Fran

Post by MattB
On Tue, 1 May 2018 19:27:34 -0700 (PDT), Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Lions Growl of Butchers Foul
The GST *is* a Sales Tax, you doofus.

It does sound like one.

Lion's spew is leading you astray. It's not a sales tax as that applies
to goods at the point of final sale. GST is applied along the supply
chain and also to services and some credits for GST paid can be claimed
back from the ATO.

It is a Sales Tax with some of the mechanism of a VAT included.
The selling point of the GST was not that it "replaced Sales Tax", the point of it is that it is *one* Sales Tax that replaced 50-odd different Sales Taxes that businesses used to have to manage.

Plus it added services to the mix. The old sales tax system only taxed goods.
The GST is effectively a Goods and Services (Sales) Tax.
The other difference is that the old sales tax was levied on the wholesale price
of the goods. GST is levied on the retail price at the point of sale.

Sounds worse than sales tax.

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Economics/Completed_inquiries/pre1996/q_balance/report/c03/
<quote>
The tax rates depend upon the classification of the goods that are sold. They
are classified under
Schedules 1 to 7 of the Sales Tax 'Exemptions and Classification) Act 1992.
Schedule 1 exempts the goods listed, and hence a 0% rate applies.
Schedule 2 - 11% until 1 July 1995 when it increases to 12%
Schedule 3 - 16% until 1 July 1995 when it increases to 17%
Schedule 4 - 21% (the general rate) until 1 July 1995 when it increases to 22%
Schedule 5 - 31 % until 1 July 1995 when it increases to 32%.
Schedule 6 - 45%
Schedule 7 - 24% until 1 July 1995 when it increases to 26%.
</quote>
Shill #2

Don't think I will bitch about American sales tax again. Australia
rates are/were insane.

Go ahead and bitch about them anyway. We have "sin taxes" on products
like fuel, booze, and tobacco, at higher rates than the basic sales
taxes. We also have sales taxes at various levels of government. Here
in Colorado we have a "Taxpayer Bill of Rights" amendment to our state
constitution that outlaws any new taxes or increases in taxes without
passing a vote by the public. To get around that, we have PIF in some
places. These are charges based on the selling price of goods, set at a
fixed percentage, with the money going to the local government. There
are signs at some registers letting us know that the fees, which are
clearly and unambiguously sales taxes, are not in fact sales taxes,
because those would be illegal. And then we have the whole mess of
income taxes, including "payroll taxes", which some insist are not
"income tax" despite the fact that they're taxes, based on one's income.
Yeah, go ahead and bitch about our insane system of taxation.

[Lions Growl of Butchers Foul]

Post by Bruce S
Go ahead and bitch about them anyway. We have "sin taxes" on products
like fuel, booze, and tobacco, at higher rates than the basic sales
taxes.

Some of those are true Pigovian taxes that work well, and I am very much in favour of additional such taxes being levied on products that cause externalised costs to society, such as sugary drinks and over-processed foods.

Others, like the fuel excise we pay here, and Stamp Duty, are just blatant cash grabs.

[de chucka]

Post by MattB
On Thu, 03 May 2018 16:33:23 +1000, Government Shill #2

Post by Government Shill #2

Post by MattB
On Thu, 03 May 2018 11:02:28 +1000, Government Shill #2

Post by Government Shill #2
On Wed, 2 May 2018 16:32:17 -0700 (PDT), Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Fran

Post by MattB
On Tue, 1 May 2018 19:27:34 -0700 (PDT), Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Lions Growl of Butchers Foul
The GST *is* a Sales Tax, you doofus.

It does sound like one.

Lion's spew is leading you astray. It's not a sales tax as that applies
to goods at the point of final sale. GST is applied along the supply
chain and also to services and some credits for GST paid can be claimed
back from the ATO.

It is a Sales Tax with some of the mechanism of a VAT included.
The selling point of the GST was not that it "replaced Sales Tax", the point of it is that it is *one* Sales Tax that replaced 50-odd different Sales Taxes that businesses used to have to manage.

Plus it added services to the mix. The old sales tax system only taxed goods.
The GST is effectively a Goods and Services (Sales) Tax.
The other difference is that the old sales tax was levied on the wholesale price
of the goods. GST is levied on the retail price at the point of sale.

Sounds worse than sales tax.

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Economics/Completed_inquiries/pre1996/q_balance/report/c03/
<quote>
The tax rates depend upon the classification of the goods that are sold. They
are classified under
Schedules 1 to 7 of the Sales Tax 'Exemptions and Classification) Act 1992.
Schedule 1 exempts the goods listed, and hence a 0% rate applies.
Schedule 2 - 11% until 1 July 1995 when it increases to 12%
Schedule 3 - 16% until 1 July 1995 when it increases to 17%
Schedule 4 - 21% (the general rate) until 1 July 1995 when it increases to 22%
Schedule 5 - 31 % until 1 July 1995 when it increases to 32%.
Schedule 6 - 45%
Schedule 7 - 24% until 1 July 1995 when it increases to 26%.
</quote>
Shill #2

Don't think I will bitch about American sales tax again. Australia
rates are/were insane.

LOL look at your State and Federal taxes when you buy something. Yes our
tax legislation is crazy

[MattB]

Post by de chucka

Post by MattB
On Thu, 03 May 2018 16:33:23 +1000, Government Shill #2

Post by Government Shill #2

Post by MattB
On Thu, 03 May 2018 11:02:28 +1000, Government Shill #2

Post by Government Shill #2
On Wed, 2 May 2018 16:32:17 -0700 (PDT), Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Fran

Post by MattB
On Tue, 1 May 2018 19:27:34 -0700 (PDT), Lions Growl of Butchers Foul

Post by Lions Growl of Butchers Foul
The GST *is* a Sales Tax, you doofus.

It does sound like one.

Lion's spew is leading you astray. It's not a sales tax as that applies
to goods at the point of final sale. GST is applied along the supply
chain and also to services and some credits for GST paid can be claimed
back from the ATO.

It is a Sales Tax with some of the mechanism of a VAT included.
The selling point of the GST was not that it "replaced Sales Tax", the point of it is that it is *one* Sales Tax that replaced 50-odd different Sales Taxes that businesses used to have to manage.

Plus it added services to the mix. The old sales tax system only taxed goods.
The GST is effectively a Goods and Services (Sales) Tax.
The other difference is that the old sales tax was levied on the wholesale price
of the goods. GST is levied on the retail price at the point of sale.

Sounds worse than sales tax.

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Economics/Completed_inquiries/pre1996/q_balance/report/c03/
<quote>
The tax rates depend upon the classification of the goods that are sold. They
are classified under
Schedules 1 to 7 of the Sales Tax 'Exemptions and Classification) Act 1992.
Schedule 1 exempts the goods listed, and hence a 0% rate applies.
Schedule 2 - 11% until 1 July 1995 when it increases to 12%
Schedule 3 - 16% until 1 July 1995 when it increases to 17%
Schedule 4 - 21% (the general rate) until 1 July 1995 when it increases to 22%
Schedule 5 - 31 % until 1 July 1995 when it increases to 32%.
Schedule 6 - 45%
Schedule 7 - 24% until 1 July 1995 when it increases to 26%.
</quote>
Shill #2

Don't think I will bitch about American sales tax again. Australia
rates are/were insane.

LOL look at your State and Federal taxes when you buy something. Yes our
tax legislation is crazy

My taxes are to complex for me I admit. Have a lawyer do them. Local
sales tax is about 8%.

[Daniel60]

Government Shill #2 wrote on 03/05/18 11:02:

<Snip>

Post by Government Shill #2
Plus it added services to the mix. The old sales tax system only taxed goods.
The GST is effectively a Goods and Services (Sales) Tax.

"effectively" ... It *IS* a Goods and Services Tax!!

i.e. a *TAX* applied to the sales of *GOODS* and the supply of *SERVICES* !!

[Government Shill #2]

Post by Daniel60
<Snip>

Post by Government Shill #2
Plus it added services to the mix. The old sales tax system only taxed goods.
The GST is effectively a Goods and Services (Sales) Tax.

"effectively" ... It *IS* a Goods and Services Tax!!

You seem to have overlooked the "(sales)" in my reply.

Post by Daniel60
i.e. a *TAX* applied to the sales of *GOODS* and the supply of *SERVICES* !!

Duh!

Is English your 2nd language?

Shill #2
--
Pfft...English! Who needs that? I'm never going to England.
Homer J. Simpson

[Daniel60]

Post by Government Shill #2

Post by Daniel60
<Snip>

Post by Government Shill #2
Plus it added services to the mix. The old sales tax system only taxed goods.
The GST is effectively a Goods and Services (Sales) Tax.

"effectively" ... It *IS* a Goods and Services Tax!!

You seem to have overlooked the "(sales)" in my reply.

Post by Daniel60
i.e. a *TAX* applied to the sales of *GOODS* and the supply of *SERVICES* !!

Duh!
Is English your 2nd language?
Shill #2
--
Pfft...English! Who needs that? I'm never going to England.
Homer J. Simpson

No, English is my only language ... well, I did a very little bit of
French, Latin and Italian waaayy back in the 60's!!

And I did notice you mentioned "(sales)", but, to the best of my
knowledge, neither the Coalition nor Labor *EVER* proposed introducing a
"Goods and Services (Sales) Tax", just a "Goods and Services Tax"!!

At least that what it is in general parlance!

[Government Shill #2]

Post by Daniel60

Post by Government Shill #2

Post by Daniel60
<Snip>

Post by Government Shill #2
Plus it added services to the mix. The old sales tax system only taxed goods.
The GST is effectively a Goods and Services (Sales) Tax.

"effectively" ... It *IS* a Goods and Services Tax!!

You seem to have overlooked the "(sales)" in my reply.

Post by Daniel60
i.e. a *TAX* applied to the sales of *GOODS* and the supply of *SERVICES* !!

Duh!
Is English your 2nd language?
Shill #2
--
Pfft...English! Who needs that? I'm never going to England.
Homer J. Simpson

No, English is my only language ... well, I did a very little bit of
French, Latin and Italian waaayy back in the 60's!!
And I did notice you mentioned "(sales)", but, to the best of my
knowledge, neither the Coalition nor Labor *EVER* proposed introducing a
"Goods and Services (Sales) Tax", just a "Goods and Services Tax"!!

No. They didn't. Which is why I used parentheses around the word sales to
indicate that I was saying it parenthetically.

Adverb: parenthetically
1. In a parenthetical manner

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/parenthetical
parenthetical
A parenthetical statement is one that explains or qualifies something. You can
call such a statement a parenthetical, (especially when it's in parentheses).

Have you ever said something like "I'm hungry!" and then added "...but I only
want French fries"? That second statement is parenthetical: it clarifies the
first statement. Just like words in parentheses (like these words) add clarity
to a sentence, parenthetical words in speech help make something clearer or give
extra information. You can call these statements (or words that actually are
inside parentheses) parentheticals; and while parentheticals aren't the most
important ideas, they help support those ideas.


Shill #2
--
Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance
to those of us who do.
Isaac Asimov

[Daniel60]

Post by Government Shill #2

Post by Daniel60

Post by Government Shill #2

Post by Daniel60
<Snip>

Post by Government Shill #2
Plus it added services to the mix. The old sales tax system only taxed goods.
The GST is effectively a Goods and Services (Sales) Tax.

"effectively" ... It *IS* a Goods and Services Tax!!

You seem to have overlooked the "(sales)" in my reply.

Post by Daniel60
i.e. a *TAX* applied to the sales of *GOODS* and the supply of *SERVICES* !!

Duh!
Is English your 2nd language?

No, English is my only language ... well, I did a very little bit of
French, Latin and Italian waaayy back in the 60's!!
And I did notice you mentioned "(sales)", but, to the best of my
knowledge, neither the Coalition nor Labor *EVER* proposed introducing a
"Goods and Services (Sales) Tax", just a "Goods and Services Tax"!!

No. They didn't. Which is why I used parentheses around the word sales to
indicate that I was saying it parenthetically.
Adverb: parenthetically
1. In a parenthetical manner
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/parenthetical
parenthetical
A parenthetical statement is one that explains or qualifies something. You can
call such a statement a parenthetical, (especially when it's in parentheses).
Have you ever said something like "I'm hungry!" and then added "...but I only
want French fries"? That second statement is parenthetical: it clarifies the
first statement. Just like words in parentheses (like these words) add clarity
to a sentence, parenthetical words in speech help make something clearer or give
extra information. You can call these statements (or words that actually are
inside parentheses) parentheticals; and while parentheticals aren't the most
important ideas, they help support those ideas.

No!! I don't think I've ever said "I'm hungry ... but I only want French
Fries." I don't do French Fries ... give me chips any day!! ;-P

I still fail to understand when what we pay was originally called a
"Goods and Services Tax", why you would want to call it a "Goods and
Services (Sales) Tax" when that fails to further explain what it is!!

If anything, I could see it being referred to as a "Goods (Sales) and
Services Tax" as it is goods that are sold, where as services are supplied!

[Bruce S]

Post by Daniel60

On Mon, 7 May 2018 20:03:57 +1000, Daniel60

Post by Daniel60

On Fri, 4 May 2018 17:33:39 +1000, Daniel60

Post by Daniel60
<Snip>

Post by Government Shill #2
Plus it added services to the mix. The old sales tax system only taxed goods.
The GST is effectively a Goods and Services (Sales) Tax.

"effectively" ... It *IS* a Goods and Services Tax!!

You seem to have overlooked the "(sales)" in my reply.

Post by Daniel60
i.e. a *TAX* applied to the sales of *GOODS* and the supply of *SERVICES* !!

Duh!
Is English your 2nd language?

No, English is my only language ... well, I did a very little bit of
French, Latin and Italian waaayy back in the 60's!!
And I did notice you mentioned "(sales)", but, to the best of my
knowledge, neither the Coalition nor Labor *EVER* proposed introducing a
"Goods and Services (Sales) Tax", just a "Goods and Services Tax"!!

No. They didn't. Which is why I used parentheses around the word sales to
indicate that I was saying it parenthetically.
Adverb: parenthetically
1. In a parenthetical manner
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/parenthetical
parenthetical
A parenthetical statement is one that explains or qualifies something. You can
call such a statement a parenthetical, (especially when it's in parentheses).
Have you ever said something like "I'm hungry!" and then added "...but I only
want French fries"? That second statement is parenthetical: it clarifies the
first statement. Just like words in parentheses (like these words) add clarity
to a sentence, parenthetical words in speech help make something clearer or give
extra information. You can call these statements (or words that actually are
inside parentheses) parentheticals; and while parentheticals aren't the most
important ideas, they help support those ideas.

No!! I don't think I've ever said "I'm hungry ... but I only want French
Fries." I don't do French Fries ... give me chips any day!! ;-P
I still fail to understand when what we pay was originally called a
"Goods and Services Tax", why you would want to call it a "Goods and
Services (Sales) Tax" when that fails to further explain what it is!!
If anything, I could see it being referred to as a "Goods (Sales) and
Services Tax" as it is goods that are sold, where as services are supplied!

Services aren't sold where you live? My entire career has been selling
my services. Yes, I provide those services, but if that were the end of
it I'd be deep in poverty. Instead, I sell them (provide them in
exchange for money), and that's worked out pretty well for me.

[Daniel60]

<Snip>

Post by Bruce S

Post by Daniel60

Post by Government Shill #2
Have you ever said something like "I'm hungry!" and then added
"...but I only want French fries"? That second statement is
parenthetical: it clarifies the first statement. Just like words
in parentheses (like these words) add clarity to a sentence,
parenthetical words in speech help make something clearer or
give extra information. You can call these statements (or words
that actually are inside parentheses) parentheticals; and while
parentheticals aren't the most important ideas, they help support
those ideas.

No!! I don't think I've ever said "I'm hungry ... but I only want
French Fries." I don't do French Fries ... give me chips any day!!
;-P
I still fail to understand when what we pay was originally called a
"Goods and Services Tax", why you would want to call it a "Goods
and Services (Sales) Tax" when that fails to further explain what
it is!!
If anything, I could see it being referred to as a "Goods (Sales)
and Services Tax" as it is goods that are sold, where as services
are supplied!

Services aren't sold where you live? My entire career has been
selling my services. Yes, I provide those services, but if that were
the end of it I'd be deep in poverty. Instead, I sell them (provide
them in exchange for money), and that's worked out pretty well for
me.

How about http://www.dictionary.com/browse/services, point 27 ...

27. supplying aids or services rather than products or goods:

Whilst I would expect most people might want/require payment for
services rendered, it doesn't seem to be a pre-requisite, as in
Community Service!

[Bruce S]

Post by Daniel60
<Snip>

Post by Daniel60

Post by Government Shill #2
Have you ever said something like "I'm hungry!" and then added
"...but I only want French fries"? That second statement is
parenthetical: it clarifies the first statement. Just like words
in parentheses (like these words) add clarity to a sentence,
parenthetical words in speech help make something clearer or
give extra information. You can call these statements (or words
that actually are inside parentheses) parentheticals; and while
parentheticals aren't the most important ideas, they help support
those ideas.

No!! I don't think I've ever said "I'm hungry ... but I only want
French Fries." I don't do French Fries ... give me chips any day!!
;-P
I still fail to understand when what we pay was originally called a
 "Goods and Services Tax", why you would want to call it a "Goods
and Services (Sales) Tax" when that fails to further explain what
it is!!
If anything, I could see it being referred to as a "Goods (Sales)
and Services Tax" as it is goods that are sold, where as services
are supplied!

Services aren't sold where you live?  My entire career has been
selling my services.  Yes, I provide those services, but if that were
the end of it I'd be deep in poverty.  Instead, I sell them (provide
them in exchange for money), and that's worked out pretty well for
me.

How about http://www.dictionary.com/browse/services, point 27 ...
Whilst I would expect most people might want/require payment for
services rendered, it doesn't seem to be a pre-requisite, as in
Community Service!

True, some services are provided without compensation, but in those
cases, what would be the basis for a tax? ISTM that taxes on goods
and services are generally based on the amount of money provided
(sales) for those goods and services. FTR, *goods* can also be
provided without compensation, as in a soup kitchen.

[Ördög]

Post by Daniel60
<Snip>

Post by Government Shill #2
Plus it added services to the mix.

And curse be upon the Lieberals for that ruthless money grab.

Post by Daniel60
"effectively" ... It *IS* a Goods and Services Tax!!
i.e. a *TAX* applied to the sales of *GOODS* and the supply of
*SERVICES* !!

I wonder what would happen if we made all businesses pay GST too, without
any rebate. I'll bet their support for this fucking ugly Lieberal
invention would immediately evaporate.

BTW isn't applying GST on second hand goods amounts to double taxation?
For that arrogance alone Gina Reinhard and co should be made to pay (to
the last bitter cent) and extra 50% tax on their loot as penalty!

--
Ördög ---- Your newsgroup Devil

[Lions Growl of Butchers Foul]

Post by Ördög

Post by Daniel60
<Snip>

Post by Government Shill #2
Plus it added services to the mix.

And curse be upon the Lieberals for that ruthless money grab.

Would never have happened without the Democrats.

Basically, they saw this was going to be a stupid partisan thing (like Climate Change today) and they committed political suicide to get it enacted and out of the way, because it was in fact a very, very good thing.

The new system of +10% is VASTLY better than the old system of a myriad of different sales taxes being levied by all sorts at all sorts of different rates and with all sorts of different collection methods.

*Extremely* good for productivity to make it a 10% GST instead.

The fact we're still paying archaic cash-grabs like stamp duty and road tolls is a completely different issue.

[news18]

Post by Ördög
I wonder what would happen if we made all businesses pay GST too,
without any rebate. I'll bet their support for this fucking ugly
Lieberal invention would immediately evaporate.

They do, on the bit they "create". The rebate is for the cost of the
inputs in the products they create, otherwise it would ber compounding
taxation.

[MattB]

Post by news18

Post by Ördög
I wonder what would happen if we made all businesses pay GST too,
without any rebate. I'll bet their support for this fucking ugly
Lieberal invention would immediately evaporate.

They do, on the bit they "create". The rebate is for the cost of the
inputs in the products they create, otherwise it would ber compounding
taxation.

And I thought US taxes sucked.

[Government Shill #2]

On Fri, 4 May 2018 07:58:12 +0000 (UTC), Ördög

Post by Ördög

Post by Daniel60
<Snip>

Post by Government Shill #2
Plus it added services to the mix.

And curse be upon the Lieberals for that ruthless money grab.

Post by Daniel60
"effectively" ... It *IS* a Goods and Services Tax!!
i.e. a *TAX* applied to the sales of *GOODS* and the supply of *SERVICES* !!

I wonder what would happen if we made all businesses pay GST too, without
any rebate. I'll bet their support for this fucking ugly Lieberal
invention would immediately evaporate.

They do. Everything the company I work for buys, they pay GST on. Computers,
paper, chairs, desks, milk, coffee, software, petrol, accountant's fees...

Post by Ördög
BTW isn't applying GST on second hand goods amounts to double taxation?

It would be. What 2nd hand goods do you have in mind?

Post by Ördög
For that arrogance alone Gina Reinhard and co should be made to pay (to
the last bitter cent) and extra 50% tax on their loot as penalty!

You've lost me.

Shill #2
--
I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)

[Ördög]

Post by Government Shill #2
On Fri, 4 May 2018 07:58:12 +0000 (UTC), Ördög

Post by Ördög

Post by Daniel60
<Snip>

Post by Government Shill #2
Plus it added services to the mix.

And curse be upon the Lieberals for that ruthless money grab.

Post by Daniel60
"effectively" ... It *IS* a Goods and Services Tax!!
i.e. a *TAX* applied to the sales of *GOODS* and the supply of *SERVICES* !!

I wonder what would happen if we made all businesses pay GST too,
without any rebate. I'll bet their support for this fucking ugly
Lieberal invention would immediately evaporate.

They do. Everything the company I work for buys, they pay GST on. Computers,
paper, chairs, desks, milk, coffee, software, petrol, accountant's fees...

So they do not have an ABN number, do they? Are you sure you are on top
of the accounting practices of your company. Properly run businesses
reclaim the input GST fully.

Post by Government Shill #2

Post by Ördög
BTW isn't applying GST on second hand goods amounts to double taxation?

It would be. What 2nd hand goods do you have in mind?

Anything that is sold by a second hand goods business legally.

Post by Government Shill #2

Post by Ördög
For that arrogance alone Gina Reinhard and co should be made to pay (to
the last bitter cent) and extra 50% tax on their loot as penalty!

You've lost me.

The GST was dreamed up by the ultra rich as to tax more the less wealthy
and to enable tax breaks for the large corporate business sector and the
top end of town.

Yes, I am aware of the argument that the rich also pays the GST but in
proportion to their income that is negligible. Not even Gina Reinhardt
can eat ten times more processed food than the poor bugger living on new
start allowance.

The GST is shifting taxation away from the upper classless and spreading
it across the less wealthy section of society. Exactly that is what is
wrong with indirect taxation.

But even in the realm of indirect taxation there are fairer methods, for
instance a transaction tax. Gnome Howard did not want it, because it
would have hurt his business crook class masters proportionally more than
that poor bloke living in a cardboard box under a bridge.

And we just can't have that in the well functioning free for all dog eat
dog neoliberal utopia.

[Lions Growl of Butchers Foul]

Post by Ördög
The GST was dreamed up by the ultra rich as to tax more the less wealthy
and to enable tax breaks for the large corporate business sector and the
top end of town.

The GST was a boon for business because of the simplification it brought in.

Post by Ördög
Yes, I am aware of the argument that the rich also pays the GST but in
proportion to their income that is negligible. Not even Gina Reinhardt
can eat ten times more processed food than the poor bugger living on new
start allowance.

Why are the poor buying stuff that attracts the GST?
Basic foodstuffs are GST exempt.

Post by Ördög
The GST is shifting taxation away from the upper classless and spreading
it across the less wealthy section of society. Exactly that is what is
wrong with indirect taxation.

Only about 40% of us actually pay net tax in this country. I'd be happy to scrap the GST if they scrapped an equivalent value of handouts.

There's progressive taxation, and then there is squandering a nation's wealth by using handouts to promote shallow consumerism among the nation's least industrious.

Post by Ördög
But even in the realm of indirect taxation there are fairer methods, for
instance a transaction tax. Gnome Howard did not want it, because it
would have hurt his business crook class masters proportionally more than
that poor bloke living in a cardboard box under a bridge.

I just cooked a soup for the family - I made about 5 litres using about $2-worth of potatoes, onions, celery and split peas.
How much GST did this cost me?
Nil.

And if I was camped out I would have done it over a campfire and not even added to my electricity bill.

I have no idea what your homeless man is spending his money on, but a closer look at those choices he makes might actually reveal why he's living in a box.

Post by Ördög
And we just can't have that in the well functioning free for all dog eat
dog neoliberal utopia.

We don't, we have a society that is awash with handouts and where indolence is rewarded.

The "poor" you are so concerned about have cars, smartphones and huge TVs. They are without doubt the wealthiest "poor" people in the history of human civilisation.

[Fran]

Post by Ördög

Post by Daniel60
<Snip>

Post by Government Shill #2
Plus it added services to the mix.

And curse be upon the Lieberals for that ruthless money grab.

Post by Daniel60
"effectively" ... It *IS* a Goods and Services Tax!!
i.e. a *TAX* applied to the sales of *GOODS* and the supply of *SERVICES* !!

It needed to be done however, what should have also been done was for
Costello to say to the States that they wouldn't see a penny of the GST
till they removed ALL of the taxes they agreed to remove. Now the
rotten States are getting the GST and still haven't removed all the
taxes they promised to remove.

And just so you get the message that it's not jsut an LNP thing, how
many Labor State governments has there been since the GST was introduced?>

Post by Ördög
I wonder what would happen if we made all businesses pay GST too, without
any rebate. I'll bet their support for this fucking ugly Lieberal
invention would immediately evaporate.
BTW isn't applying GST on second hand goods amounts to double taxation?
For that arrogance alone Gina Reinhard and co should be made to pay (to
the last bitter cent) and extra 50% tax on their loot as penalty!
--
Ördög ---- Your newsgroup Devil

[Ördög]

Post by Fran

Post by Ördög

Post by Daniel60
<Snip>

Post by Government Shill #2
Plus it added services to the mix.

And curse be upon the Lieberals for that ruthless money grab.

Post by Daniel60
"effectively" ... It *IS* a Goods and Services Tax!!
i.e. a *TAX* applied to the sales of *GOODS* and the supply of *SERVICES* !!

It needed to be done however,

I disagree in the strongest of terms. It was designed to create an
indirect tax that gave the opportunity to cut taxes to the upper and
middle classes. I am a firm believer of direct and progressive income
taxation. At that time of its proposed introduction there had been fairer
and more innovative tax proposals on the table, but the wealthy business
class creeps would have had none of it.
To date certain sections of OZ society aren't willing to pay their fair
share in tax, in fact they still demand to pay much less.

Post by Fran
what should have also been done was for
Costello to say to the States that they wouldn't see a penny of the GST
till they removed ALL of the taxes they agreed to remove. Now the
rotten States are getting the GST and still haven't removed all the
taxes they promised to remove.

The suggestion that state stamp duty taxes would instantly disappear at
the introduction of the GST was just an other well expected Lieberal lie!

Post by Fran
And just so you get the message that it's not jut an LNP thing,

Sorry Fran, but this I won't buy! Kim Beazley had clearly stated at that
time that once GST was introduced Labor would not be able to remove it
because the introduction of the GST has caused a major expense to the
country!
BTW gnome lying rodent Howard had made sure that the GST was set in stone
and that any change to the GST required a consensus between the states
and the feds which Labor would never be able to achieve..

Curse all Lieberals and curse the lying rodent specially!

Post by Fran
how
many Labor State governments has there been since the GST was
introduced?>

Two. But GST change was off the table by then as something utterly
unrealistic.

Post by Fran

Post by Ördög
I wonder what would happen if we made all businesses pay GST too,
without any rebate. I'll bet their support for this fucking ugly
Lieberal invention would immediately evaporate.
BTW isn't applying GST on second hand goods amounts to double taxation?
For that arrogance alone Gina Reinhard and co should be made to pay (to
the last bitter cent) and extra 50% tax on their loot as penalty!

I am still convinced that services should urgently be excluded from this
this indirect tax as they proportionally hit the less wealthy more than
the ultra rich.

[news18]

Post by Ördög
orry Fran, but this I won't buy! Kim Beazley had clearly stated at that
time that once GST was introduced Labor would not be able to remove it
because the introduction of the GST has caused a major expense to the
country!

I don't know about the rest of the country, but the abolition of sales
tax and the imposition of the GST made SFA to stuff I was selling. YMMV.

[Fran]

Post by news18

Post by Ördög
orry Fran, but this I won't buy! Kim Beazley had clearly stated at that
time that once GST was introduced Labor would not be able to remove it
because the introduction of the GST has caused a major expense to the
country!

I don't know about the rest of the country, but the abolition of sales
tax and the imposition of the GST made SFA to stuff I was selling. YMMV.

I'm not selling anything but I can't say that I recall any particular
pain from it being introduced. I am very resentful of behalf of
property buyers in NSW at the retention of Stamp duty on property sales.
It was supposed to be removed but it was, and remains, and has grown
into a huge impost.

[news18]

Post by Fran
'm not selling anything but I can't say that I recall any particular
pain from it being introduced.

Books, the extra 10% was enough to stop me buying anywhere the number I
was buying previously.

I don't remember it impacting any other area as badly.

[Fran]

Post by news18

Post by Fran
'm not selling anything but I can't say that I recall any particular
pain from it being introduced.

Books, the extra 10% was enough to stop me buying anywhere the number I
was buying previously.

I wish it had had the same impact on me. This house is becoming buried
under books despite me giving many of them to the local library (which
is gasping for funds) as soon as I finish them.

And then I discovered Book Depository.....

Post by news18
I don't remember it impacting any other area as badly.

[MattB]

On Mon, 7 May 2018 07:49:35 +1000, Fran

Post by Fran

Post by news18

Post by Fran
'm not selling anything but I can't say that I recall any particular
pain from it being introduced.

Books, the extra 10% was enough to stop me buying anywhere the number I
was buying previously.

I wish it had had the same impact on me. This house is becoming buried
under books despite me giving many of them to the local library (which
is gasping for funds) as soon as I finish them.

What does the government spend the taxes on? Not the Library it
seems.

Post by Fran
And then I discovered Book Depository.....

Post by news18
I don't remember it impacting any other area as badly.

[de chucka]

Post by MattB
On Mon, 7 May 2018 07:49:35 +1000, Fran

Post by Fran

Post by news18

Post by Fran
'm not selling anything but I can't say that I recall any particular
pain from it being introduced.

Books, the extra 10% was enough to stop me buying anywhere the number I
was buying previously.

I wish it had had the same impact on me. This house is becoming buried
under books despite me giving many of them to the local library (which
is gasping for funds) as soon as I finish them.

What does the government spend the taxes on? Not the Library it
seems.

Libraries are Council funded so get their money from rates and State
funding. Councils spend their money on the local roads, garbage
collection, parks etc and in the case of mine shithouse investments.
Seems for Fran libraries are low on the agenda, my local libraries seem
to do OK.

I'm out of town quite a way so find being able to download e-books
convenient but not as much fun to read. Love the feel of an actual book
or newspaper

[MattB]

Post by de chucka

Post by MattB
On Mon, 7 May 2018 07:49:35 +1000, Fran

Post by Fran

Post by news18

Post by Fran
'm not selling anything but I can't say that I recall any particular
pain from it being introduced.

Books, the extra 10% was enough to stop me buying anywhere the number I
was buying previously.

I wish it had had the same impact on me. This house is becoming buried
under books despite me giving many of them to the local library (which
is gasping for funds) as soon as I finish them.

What does the government spend the taxes on? Not the Library it
seems.

Libraries are Council funded so get their money from rates and State
funding. Councils spend their money on the local roads, garbage
collection, parks etc and in the case of mine shithouse investments.
Seems for Fran libraries are low on the agenda, my local libraries seem
to do OK.
I'm out of town quite a way so find being able to download e-books
convenient but not as much fun to read. Love the feel of an actual book
or newspaper

I like E-books and especially audio books for use when working and
walking. We have a excellent library here they even have loads of
DVDs.

[de chucka]

Post by MattB

Post by de chucka

Post by MattB
On Mon, 7 May 2018 07:49:35 +1000, Fran

Post by Fran

Post by news18

Post by Fran
'm not selling anything but I can't say that I recall any particular
pain from it being introduced.

Books, the extra 10% was enough to stop me buying anywhere the number I
was buying previously.

I wish it had had the same impact on me. This house is becoming buried
under books despite me giving many of them to the local library (which
is gasping for funds) as soon as I finish them.

What does the government spend the taxes on? Not the Library it
seems.

Libraries are Council funded so get their money from rates and State
funding. Councils spend their money on the local roads, garbage
collection, parks etc and in the case of mine shithouse investments.
Seems for Fran libraries are low on the agenda, my local libraries seem
to do OK.
I'm out of town quite a way so find being able to download e-books
convenient but not as much fun to read. Love the feel of an actual book
or newspaper

I like E-books and especially audio books for use when working and
walking. We have a excellent library here they even have loads of
DVDs.

I don't

[Fran]

Post by de chucka
I'm out of town quite a way so find being able to download e-books
convenient but not as much fun to read. Love the feel of an actual book
or newspaper

Yep. It's just not right on multiple levels. I wouldn't be surprised
if there aren't studies that show that a lot of literacy problems are
related to screen use.

[Ördög]

Post by Fran

Post by de chucka
I'm out of town quite a way so find being able to download e-books
convenient but not as much fun to read. Love the feel of an actual book
or newspaper

Yep. It's just not right on multiple levels. I wouldn't be surprised
if there aren't studies that show that a lot of literacy problems are
related to screen use.

Well, as much as I appreciate books, a couple of years ago I had to make
the very painful decision of getting rid of a good 3/4 of my library,
including almost all of the Hungarian and a large part of my German
literature collection. I have also at least halved my the English book
collection, and also got rid of my medical science and laboratory
technology books. Once my wife retires we I hope to get rid of all those
nursing textbooks too, which are filling up half of my home office
currently.
I was running out of space, as simple as that. I had to realise that most
of what I had I could still access as e-books. This is an area where
modern IT/Media technology actually helps people in an intelligent way
instead of just dumbing down the masses.

[Fran]

Post by Ördög

Post by Fran

Post by de chucka
I'm out of town quite a way so find being able to download e-books
convenient but not as much fun to read. Love the feel of an actual book
or newspaper

Yep. It's just not right on multiple levels. I wouldn't be surprised
if there aren't studies that show that a lot of literacy problems are
related to screen use.

Well, as much as I appreciate books, a couple of years ago I had to make
the very painful decision of getting rid of a good 3/4 of my library,
including almost all of the Hungarian and a large part of my German
literature collection. I have also at least halved my the English book
collection, and also got rid of my medical science and laboratory
technology books. Once my wife retires we I hope to get rid of all those
nursing textbooks too, which are filling up half of my home office
currently.
I was running out of space, as simple as that. I had to realise that most
of what I had I could still access as e-books. This is an area where
modern IT/Media technology actually helps people in an intelligent way
instead of just dumbing down the masses.

I wasn't thinking of space. That is obvious. I was referring to how
the brain operates. I find that if I read a book, I have better
retention and find it's easier to do anaylsis. I've just done a google
and found this article and it sums up most of what I had in mind:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/reading-paper-screens/

[MattB]

On Mon, 7 May 2018 16:19:27 +1000, Fran

Post by Fran

Post by Ördög

Post by Fran

Post by de chucka
I'm out of town quite a way so find being able to download e-books
convenient but not as much fun to read. Love the feel of an actual book
or newspaper

Yep. It's just not right on multiple levels. I wouldn't be surprised
if there aren't studies that show that a lot of literacy problems are
related to screen use.

Well, as much as I appreciate books, a couple of years ago I had to make
the very painful decision of getting rid of a good 3/4 of my library,
including almost all of the Hungarian and a large part of my German
literature collection. I have also at least halved my the English book
collection, and also got rid of my medical science and laboratory
technology books. Once my wife retires we I hope to get rid of all those
nursing textbooks too, which are filling up half of my home office
currently.
I was running out of space, as simple as that. I had to realise that most
of what I had I could still access as e-books. This is an area where
modern IT/Media technology actually helps people in an intelligent way
instead of just dumbing down the masses.

I wasn't thinking of space. That is obvious. I was referring to how
the brain operates. I find that if I read a book, I have better
retention and find it's easier to do anaylsis. I've just done a google
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/reading-paper-screens/

Good article. I bought a Kindle reader and find it is much better
than trying to read from a laptop. For long article in the NGs I
normally print them. Long articles I find it hard to hold my place.

[Fran]

Post by Ördög

Post by Fran

Post by Ördög

Post by Daniel60
<Snip>

Post by Government Shill #2
Plus it added services to the mix.

And curse be upon the Lieberals for that ruthless money grab.

Post by Daniel60
"effectively" ... It *IS* a Goods and Services Tax!!
i.e. a *TAX* applied to the sales of *GOODS* and the supply of *SERVICES* !!

It needed to be done however,

I disagree in the strongest of terms.

Well of course you do! I'd be disappointed in you if you didn't
disagree with me.

It was designed to create an

Post by Ördög
indirect tax that gave the opportunity to cut taxes to the upper and
middle classes. I am a firm believer of direct and progressive income
taxation. At that time of its proposed introduction there had been fairer
and more innovative tax proposals on the table, but the wealthy business
class creeps would have had none of it.
To date certain sections of OZ society aren't willing to pay their fair
share in tax, in fact they still demand to pay much less.

Post by Fran
what should have also been done was for
Costello to say to the States that they wouldn't see a penny of the GST
till they removed ALL of the taxes they agreed to remove. Now the
rotten States are getting the GST and still haven't removed all the
taxes they promised to remove.

The suggestion that state stamp duty taxes would instantly disappear at
the introduction of the GST was just an other well expected Lieberal lie!

IIRC, it wasn't a "suggestion". The States committed to get rid of a
raft of taxes and they didn't.

Post by Ördög

Post by Fran
And just so you get the message that it's not jut an LNP thing,

Sorry Fran, but this I won't buy!

Of course you don't but you'd be wrong since you have snipped my
sentence into incomprehensble bits so that it no longer make sense. I
repeat, State goverments (both Lib and Lab) have not removed taxes and
duties which they committed to do at the time of intro of the GST.

Kim Beazley had clearly stated at that

Post by Ördög
time that once GST was introduced Labor would not be able to remove it
because the introduction of the GST has caused a major expense to the
country!
BTW gnome lying rodent Howard had made sure that the GST was set in stone
and that any change to the GST required a consensus between the states
and the feds which Labor would never be able to achieve..
Curse all Lieberals and curse the lying rodent specially!

Well in that case you may as well also curse Keating (our greatest PM)
as he was the one to first suggest the GST.

Post by Ördög

Post by Fran
how
many Labor State governments has there been since the GST was
introduced?>

Two. But GST change was off the table by then as something utterly
unrealistic.

I suspect you are only thinking of of NSW here but the point I was
trying to make was that regardless of what sort of government (Lib or
Lab) there was in power in any State, it made no difference whatever to
that States keeping duties and taxes that they agreed to remove on
introductin of the GST. The States have had ample time to remove taxes
and duties which they agreed to do and they haven't. A pox on State
governments of all political persuasions for not keeping their word.

[Ördög]

Post by Fran
Ördög

Post by Ördög
Fran

Post by Fran
Ördög

Daniel60

Post by MattB
Government Shill #2
<Snip>

Post by Government Shill #2
Plus it added services to the mix.

And curse be upon the Lieberals for that ruthless money grab.

Post by MattB
"effectively" ... It *IS* a Goods and Services Tax!!
i.e. a *TAX* applied to the sales of *GOODS* and the supply of *SERVICES* !!

It needed to be done however,

I disagree in the strongest of terms.

Well of course you do! I'd be disappointed in you if you didn't
disagree with me.
It was designed to create an

Post by Ördög
indirect tax that gave the opportunity to cut taxes to the upper and
middle classes. I am a firm believer of direct and progressive income
taxation. At that time of its proposed introduction there had been
fairer and more innovative tax proposals on the table, but the wealthy
business class creeps would have had none of it.
To date certain sections of OZ society aren't willing to pay their fair
share in tax, in fact they still demand to pay much less.

Post by Fran
what should have also been done was for Costello to say to the States
that they wouldn't see a penny of the GST till they removed ALL of the
taxes they agreed to remove. Now the rotten States are getting the
GST and still haven't removed all the taxes they promised to remove.

The suggestion that state stamp duty taxes would instantly disappear at
the introduction of the GST was just an other well expected Lieberal lie!

IIRC, it wasn't a "suggestion". The States committed to get rid of a
raft of taxes and they didn't.

Post by Ördög

Post by Fran
And just so you get the message that it's not jut an LNP thing,

Sorry Fran, but this I won't buy!

Of course you don't but you'd be wrong since you have snipped my
sentence into incomprehensble bits so that it no longer make sense. I
repeat, State goverments (both Lib and Lab) have not removed taxes and
duties which they committed to do at the time of intro of the GST.

My bad, then!
You are right, state Labor governments have not removed their taxes as
Howard promised the lieberal dudded country that they would do. So that
was just another misleading lie like the "never ever GST" promise he made
to the electorate. One of his non-core promises!
But back to the states, at that time if my memory serves me right the
majority of states were in LNP hands. And one other thing... I have never
suggested that Labor was not a rightwing capitalist party located at the
centre right of politics. NSW Labor was back then and still is run by the
rightwing factions of the party, by people who would feel just as much at
home amongst the Lieberals as in Labor. Bob Carr for instance.

Post by Fran

Post by Ördög
Kim Beazley had clearly stated at that
time that once GST was introduced Labor would not be able to remove it
because the introduction of the GST has caused a major expense to the
country!
BTW gnome lying rodent Howard had made sure that the GST was set in
stone and that any change to the GST required a consensus between the
states and the feds which Labor would never be able to achieve..
Curse all Lieberals and curse the lying rodent specially!

Well in that case you may as well also curse Keating (our greatest PM)
as he was the one to first suggest the GST.

I don't regard Keating the "greatest PM as you do. He has sold off what
was left of the Labor's few remaining morsels of leftist ideals.
Having said that he did NOT implement the GST (which at that time the
lying rodent was busily promising the dudded voters he would "never ever"
implement.

Post by Fran

Post by Ördög

Post by Fran
how many Labor State governments has there been since the GST was
introduced?>

Two. But GST change was off the table by then as something utterly
unrealistic.

I suspect you are only thinking of of NSW here but the point I was
trying to make was that regardless of what sort of government (Lib or
Lab) there was in power in any State, it made no difference whatever to
that States keeping duties and taxes that they agreed to remove on
introductin of the GST. The States have had ample time to remove taxes
and duties which they agreed to do and they haven't. A pox on State
governments of all political persuasions for not keeping their word.

Now, with that I just simply can't disagree. ;)

[Fran]

Post by Ördög

Post by Fran
Ördög

Post by Ördög
Fran

Post by Fran
Ördög

Daniel60

Post by MattB
Government Shill #2
<Snip>

Post by Government Shill #2
Plus it added services to the mix.

And curse be upon the Lieberals for that ruthless money grab.

Post by MattB
"effectively" ... It *IS* a Goods and Services Tax!!
i.e. a *TAX* applied to the sales of *GOODS* and the supply of *SERVICES* !!

It needed to be done however,

I disagree in the strongest of terms.

Well of course you do! I'd be disappointed in you if you didn't
disagree with me.
It was designed to create an

Post by Ördög
indirect tax that gave the opportunity to cut taxes to the upper and
middle classes. I am a firm believer of direct and progressive income
taxation. At that time of its proposed introduction there had been
fairer and more innovative tax proposals on the table, but the wealthy
business class creeps would have had none of it.
To date certain sections of OZ society aren't willing to pay their fair
share in tax, in fact they still demand to pay much less.

Post by Fran
what should have also been done was for Costello to say to the States
that they wouldn't see a penny of the GST till they removed ALL of the
taxes they agreed to remove. Now the rotten States are getting the
GST and still haven't removed all the taxes they promised to remove.

The suggestion that state stamp duty taxes would instantly disappear at
the introduction of the GST was just an other well expected Lieberal lie!

IIRC, it wasn't a "suggestion". The States committed to get rid of a
raft of taxes and they didn't.

Post by Ördög

Post by Fran
And just so you get the message that it's not jut an LNP thing,

Sorry Fran, but this I won't buy!

Of course you don't but you'd be wrong since you have snipped my
sentence into incomprehensble bits so that it no longer make sense. I
repeat, State goverments (both Lib and Lab) have not removed taxes and
duties which they committed to do at the time of intro of the GST.

My bad, then!
You are right, state Labor governments have not removed their taxes as
Howard promised the lieberal dudded country that they would do.

Ordog!!!! That is a ridiculous statement even for a rusted on leftie
like you. The States gave the commitment. Blame them. Costello is a
decent enough human being despite rumours to the contrary and he
shouldn't have believed, or trusted, the lying rodent States.

So that

Post by Ördög
was just another misleading lie like the "never ever GST" promise he made
to the electorate. One of his non-core promises!
But back to the states, at that time if my memory serves me right the
majority of states were in LNP hands.

Possibly but regardless of that, nothing has happened with subsequent
government of the opposite political persuasion to remove the
taxes/duties so it's not one side or the other.

And one other thing... I have never

Post by Ördög
suggested that Labor was not a rightwing capitalist party located at the
centre right of politics. NSW Labor was back then and still is run by the
rightwing factions of the party, by people who would feel just as much at
home amongst the Lieberals as in Labor. Bob Carr for instance.

Yep, he is very right wing.

Post by Ördög

Post by Fran

Post by Ördög
Kim Beazley had clearly stated at that
time that once GST was introduced Labor would not be able to remove it
because the introduction of the GST has caused a major expense to the
country!
BTW gnome lying rodent Howard had made sure that the GST was set in
stone and that any change to the GST required a consensus between the
states and the feds which Labor would never be able to achieve..
Curse all Lieberals and curse the lying rodent specially!

Well in that case you may as well also curse Keating (our greatest PM)
as he was the one to first suggest the GST.

I don't regard Keating the "greatest PM as you do. He has sold off what
was left of the Labor's few remaining morsels of leftist ideals.
Having said that he did NOT implement the GST (which at that time the
lying rodent was busily promising the dudded voters he would "never ever"
implement.

We knew the lying rodent was going to introduce the GST despite saying
that for years. - no secrets in Canberra about what work is going on
behind the scenes.

Post by Ördög

Post by Fran

Post by Ördög

Post by Fran
how many Labor State governments has there been since the GST was
introduced?>

Two. But GST change was off the table by then as something utterly
unrealistic.

I suspect you are only thinking of of NSW here but the point I was
trying to make was that regardless of what sort of government (Lib or
Lab) there was in power in any State, it made no difference whatever to
that States keeping duties and taxes that they agreed to remove on
introductin of the GST. The States have had ample time to remove taxes
and duties which they agreed to do and they haven't. A pox on State
governments of all political persuasions for not keeping their word.

Now, with that I just simply can't disagree. ;)

[MattB]

On Sun, 6 May 2018 11:17:18 +1000, Fran

Post by Fran

Post by Ördög

Post by Fran
Ördög

Post by Ördög
Fran

Post by Fran
Ördög

Daniel60

Post by MattB
Government Shill #2
<Snip>

Post by Government Shill #2
Plus it added services to the mix.

And curse be upon the Lieberals for that ruthless money grab.

Post by MattB
"effectively" ... It *IS* a Goods and Services Tax!!
i.e. a *TAX* applied to the sales of *GOODS* and the supply of *SERVICES* !!

It needed to be done however,

I disagree in the strongest of terms.

Well of course you do! I'd be disappointed in you if you didn't
disagree with me.
It was designed to create an

Post by Ördög
indirect tax that gave the opportunity to cut taxes to the upper and
middle classes. I am a firm believer of direct and progressive income
taxation. At that time of its proposed introduction there had been
fairer and more innovative tax proposals on the table, but the wealthy
business class creeps would have had none of it.
To date certain sections of OZ society aren't willing to pay their fair
share in tax, in fact they still demand to pay much less.

Post by Fran
what should have also been done was for Costello to say to the States
that they wouldn't see a penny of the GST till they removed ALL of the
taxes they agreed to remove. Now the rotten States are getting the
GST and still haven't removed all the taxes they promised to remove.

The suggestion that state stamp duty taxes would instantly disappear at
the introduction of the GST was just an other well expected Lieberal lie!

IIRC, it wasn't a "suggestion". The States committed to get rid of a
raft of taxes and they didn't.

Post by Ördög

Post by Fran
And just so you get the message that it's not jut an LNP thing,

Sorry Fran, but this I won't buy!

Of course you don't but you'd be wrong since you have snipped my
sentence into incomprehensble bits so that it no longer make sense. I
repeat, State goverments (both Lib and Lab) have not removed taxes and
duties which they committed to do at the time of intro of the GST.

My bad, then!
You are right, state Labor governments have not removed their taxes as
Howard promised the lieberal dudded country that they would do.

Ordog!!!! That is a ridiculous statement even for a rusted on leftie
like you. The States gave the commitment. Blame them. Costello is a
decent enough human being despite rumours to the contrary and he
shouldn't have believed, or trusted, the lying rodent States.

Sounds like from time to time Australia has a Trump type person and
party in power. Left and Right just as insane there. World is really
screwed up.

Post by Fran
So that

Post by Ördög
was just another misleading lie like the "never ever GST" promise he made
to the electorate. One of his non-core promises!
But back to the states, at that time if my memory serves me right the
majority of states were in LNP hands.

Possibly but regardless of that, nothing has happened with subsequent
government of the opposite political persuasion to remove the
taxes/duties so it's not one side or the other.
And one other thing... I have never

Post by Ördög
suggested that Labor was not a rightwing capitalist party located at the
centre right of politics. NSW Labor was back then and still is run by the
rightwing factions of the party, by people who would feel just as much at
home amongst the Lieberals as in Labor. Bob Carr for instance.

Yep, he is very right wing.

Post by Ördög

Post by Fran

Post by Ördög
Kim Beazley had clearly stated at that
time that once GST was introduced Labor would not be able to remove it
because the introduction of the GST has caused a major expense to the
country!
BTW gnome lying rodent Howard had made sure that the GST was set in
stone and that any change to the GST required a consensus between the
states and the feds which Labor would never be able to achieve..
Curse all Lieberals and curse the lying rodent specially!

Well in that case you may as well also curse Keating (our greatest PM)
as he was the one to first suggest the GST.

I don't regard Keating the "greatest PM as you do. He has sold off what
was left of the Labor's few remaining morsels of leftist ideals.
Having said that he did NOT implement the GST (which at that time the
lying rodent was busily promising the dudded voters he would "never ever"
implement.

We knew the lying rodent was going to introduce the GST despite saying
that for years. - no secrets in Canberra about what work is going on
behind the scenes.

Post by Ördög

Post by Fran

Post by Ördög

Post by Fran
how many Labor State governments has there been since the GST was
introduced?>

Two. But GST change was off the table by then as something utterly
unrealistic.

I suspect you are only thinking of of NSW here but the point I was
trying to make was that regardless of what sort of government (Lib or
Lab) there was in power in any State, it made no difference whatever to
that States keeping duties and taxes that they agreed to remove on
introductin of the GST. The States have had ample time to remove taxes
and duties which they agreed to do and they haven't. A pox on State
governments of all political persuasions for not keeping their word.

Now, with that I just simply can't disagree. ;)

[Lions Growl of Butchers Foul]

Post by Ördög

Post by Fran

Post by Ördög

Post by Daniel60
<Snip>

Post by Government Shill #2
Plus it added services to the mix.

And curse be upon the Lieberals for that ruthless money grab.

Post by Daniel60
"effectively" ... It *IS* a Goods and Services Tax!!
i.e. a *TAX* applied to the sales of *GOODS* and the supply of *SERVICES* !!

It needed to be done however,

I disagree in the strongest of terms. It was designed to create an
indirect tax that gave the opportunity to cut taxes to the upper and
middle classes. I am a firm believer of direct and progressive income
taxation. At that time of its proposed introduction there had been fairer
and more innovative tax proposals on the table, but the wealthy business
class creeps would have had none of it.
To date certain sections of OZ society aren't willing to pay their fair
share in tax, in fact they still demand to pay much less.

You have that backwards. Something like 60% of Australian adults pay no net tax.
The rest of us are the ones paying the taxes to fund all your handouts.

The GST is one way to make the freeloaders actually contribute, and if you don't want to pay it, you can decline to buy iPhones, smart TVs and take-away pizza and just buy exempt products instead.

You could put the money you save towards some education and training and use your new skills to gain employment at a better wage so you don't need to whinge about how other people earn more than you do.

[MattB]

On Sat, 5 May 2018 07:25:33 +0000 (UTC), Ördög

Post by Ördög

Post by Fran

Post by Ördög

Post by Daniel60
<Snip>

Post by Government Shill #2
Plus it added services to the mix.

And curse be upon the Lieberals for that ruthless money grab.

Post by Daniel60
"effectively" ... It *IS* a Goods and Services Tax!!
i.e. a *TAX* applied to the sales of *GOODS* and the supply of *SERVICES* !!

It needed to be done however,

I disagree in the strongest of terms. It was designed to create an
indirect tax that gave the opportunity to cut taxes to the upper and
middle classes. I am a firm believer of direct and progressive income
taxation. At that time of its proposed introduction there had been fairer
and more innovative tax proposals on the table, but the wealthy business
class creeps would have had none of it.
To date certain sections of OZ society aren't willing to pay their fair
share in tax, in fact they still demand to pay much less.

Post by Fran
what should have also been done was for
Costello to say to the States that they wouldn't see a penny of the GST
till they removed ALL of the taxes they agreed to remove. Now the
rotten States are getting the GST and still haven't removed all the
taxes they promised to remove.

The suggestion that state stamp duty taxes would instantly disappear at
the introduction of the GST was just an other well expected Lieberal lie!

Post by Fran
And just so you get the message that it's not jut an LNP thing,

Sorry Fran, but this I won't buy! Kim Beazley had clearly stated at that
time that once GST was introduced Labor would not be able to remove it
because the introduction of the GST has caused a major expense to the
country!
BTW gnome lying rodent Howard had made sure that the GST was set in stone
and that any change to the GST required a consensus between the states
and the feds which Labor would never be able to achieve..
Curse all Lieberals and curse the lying rodent specially!

We agree on something.

Post by Ördög

Post by Fran
how
many Labor State governments has there been since the GST was
introduced?>

Two. But GST change was off the table by then as something utterly
unrealistic.

Post by Fran

Post by Ördög
I wonder what would happen if we made all businesses pay GST too,
without any rebate. I'll bet their support for this fucking ugly
Lieberal invention would immediately evaporate.
BTW isn't applying GST on second hand goods amounts to double taxation?
For that arrogance alone Gina Reinhard and co should be made to pay (to
the last bitter cent) and extra 50% tax on their loot as penalty!

I am still convinced that services should urgently be excluded from this
this indirect tax as they proportionally hit the less wealthy more than
the ultra rich.

[Daniel60]

Post by Fran

Post by Ördög

Post by Daniel60
<Snip>

Post by Government Shill #2
Plus it added services to the mix.

And curse be upon the Lieberals for that ruthless money grab.

Post by Daniel60
"effectively" ... It *IS* a Goods and Services Tax!!
i.e. a *TAX* applied to the sales of *GOODS* and the supply of *SERVICES* !!

It needed to be done however, what should have also been done was for
Costello to say to the States that they wouldn't see a penny of the GST
till they removed ALL of the taxes they agreed to remove.  Now the

Yeap!!

Post by Fran
rotten States are getting the GST and still haven't removed all the
taxes they promised to remove.

Post by Ördög
And just so you get the message that it's not jsut an LNP thing, how

many Labor State governments has there been since the GST was introduced?

Yeap! Granted, both sides accept it's implementation at the Federal
level but both sides fail to accept it's implementation at a State level.

Post by Fran

Post by Ördög
I wonder what would happen if we made all businesses pay GST too, without
any rebate. I'll bet their support for this fucking ugly Lieberal
invention would immediately evaporate.
BTW isn't applying GST on second hand goods amounts to double taxation?
For that arrogance alone Gina Reinhard and co should be made to pay (to
the last bitter cent) and extra 50% tax on their loot as penalty!

GST is supposed to be applied again products purchased to produce your
goods. Second Hand Goods are normally donated so should have zero costs
... so zero input GST ... shouldn't they??

[Fran]

Post by Daniel60

Post by Ördög
BTW isn't applying GST on second hand goods amounts to double taxation?
For that arrogance alone Gina Reinhard and co should be made to pay (to
the last bitter cent) and extra 50% tax on their loot as penalty!

GST is supposed to be applied again products purchased to produce your
goods. Second Hand Goods are normally donated so should have zero costs
... so zero input GST ... shouldn't they??

Top quality Art, antiques and cars are all examples of second hand goods
that are not donated.

[Daniel60]

Post by Fran

Post by Daniel60

Post by Ördög
BTW isn't applying GST on second hand goods amounts to double taxation?
For that arrogance alone Gina Reinhard and co should be made to pay (to
the last bitter cent) and extra 50% tax on their loot as penalty!

GST is supposed to be applied again products purchased to produce your
goods. Second Hand Goods are normally donated so should have zero
costs ... so zero input GST ... shouldn't they??

Top quality Art, antiques and cars are all examples of second hand goods
that are not donated.

Sorry!! Of course, but I was just thinking of the Charity shop type
second hand goods!! :-)