samsloan
2013-06-17 19:53:38 UTC
[quote="Grayson"]How is Kirsan remaining in power the applicable
fact? I'm cheerful to debate, but I'm not going to guess at your
rationale, argue against it, and then have you come back and say "I
never said that." There's no righteous indignation. I don't often
give in to indignation. Kirsan's conduct is disreputable and reflects
on the game. I don't even have to back that up--it's known. I get
that some want to see his ability to buy votes in various areas of the
world as the bottom line. The argument goes that he will win, so don't
oppose him. If that's the prevailing opinion, we'll get what we
deserve.[/quote]
For a man who knows very little about chess and nothing about FIDE,
you seem to be awfully sure of yourself.
Have you ever attended a FIDE meeting? I do not believe you have.
Have you ever met Kirsan Ilyumzhinov? I have met him many times.
Are you aware that Kirsan is now essentially a figurehead? The day-to-
day operations of FIDE are being conducted by Nigel Freeman of
Bermuda. At the most recent FIDE Congress in Istanbul, Kirsan gave the
opening speech in Russian which few could understand and then left for
parts unknown, leaving others to run the show.
Since you know nothing of this, you say "I don't even have to back
that up--it's known".
What is it exactly that you know? What are your sources of
information? It is just that you have heard something from Bill
Goichberg, who has never himself attended a FIDE meeting, or is it
something you read in the newspapers or on this group?
As a lawyer you should be aware of the rule against hearsay evidence.
Every meeting of FIDE is open. There are no closed sessions in FIDE.
No secret votes. The doors are open. Anybody can attend. Roberts Rules
of Order are followed.
On the other hand, the board of which you are a member does almost
everything in secret. The vast majority of USCF board meetings are in
closed session. We the members have been allowed almost no information
about what is going on.
WE are not saying that you were required to support Beatriz for
election for FIDE Vice-President. You had the right to support your
choice, however wrong, which was Karpov. Apparently you were not aware
of the long-standing belief that Karpov was a member of the KGB or you
chose to ignore that fact.
What is objectionable is you entered into a court arbitration to kick
Beatriz off the ballot as a candidate for FIDE Vice-President. You did
this without consulting the membership. This may have been against the
best interests of the general members.
Now, you are using your influence to stop Beatriz, a former USCF
President, from being elected to the board, based upon your distorted
version of the facts.
Sam Sloan
fact? I'm cheerful to debate, but I'm not going to guess at your
rationale, argue against it, and then have you come back and say "I
never said that." There's no righteous indignation. I don't often
give in to indignation. Kirsan's conduct is disreputable and reflects
on the game. I don't even have to back that up--it's known. I get
that some want to see his ability to buy votes in various areas of the
world as the bottom line. The argument goes that he will win, so don't
oppose him. If that's the prevailing opinion, we'll get what we
deserve.[/quote]
For a man who knows very little about chess and nothing about FIDE,
you seem to be awfully sure of yourself.
Have you ever attended a FIDE meeting? I do not believe you have.
Have you ever met Kirsan Ilyumzhinov? I have met him many times.
Are you aware that Kirsan is now essentially a figurehead? The day-to-
day operations of FIDE are being conducted by Nigel Freeman of
Bermuda. At the most recent FIDE Congress in Istanbul, Kirsan gave the
opening speech in Russian which few could understand and then left for
parts unknown, leaving others to run the show.
Since you know nothing of this, you say "I don't even have to back
that up--it's known".
What is it exactly that you know? What are your sources of
information? It is just that you have heard something from Bill
Goichberg, who has never himself attended a FIDE meeting, or is it
something you read in the newspapers or on this group?
As a lawyer you should be aware of the rule against hearsay evidence.
Every meeting of FIDE is open. There are no closed sessions in FIDE.
No secret votes. The doors are open. Anybody can attend. Roberts Rules
of Order are followed.
On the other hand, the board of which you are a member does almost
everything in secret. The vast majority of USCF board meetings are in
closed session. We the members have been allowed almost no information
about what is going on.
WE are not saying that you were required to support Beatriz for
election for FIDE Vice-President. You had the right to support your
choice, however wrong, which was Karpov. Apparently you were not aware
of the long-standing belief that Karpov was a member of the KGB or you
chose to ignore that fact.
What is objectionable is you entered into a court arbitration to kick
Beatriz off the ballot as a candidate for FIDE Vice-President. You did
this without consulting the membership. This may have been against the
best interests of the general members.
Now, you are using your influence to stop Beatriz, a former USCF
President, from being elected to the board, based upon your distorted
version of the facts.
Sam Sloan