the Poles allege 'the Russians threat' etc

[Oleg Smirnov]

"Russia has banned Polandâ?Ts popular, but controversial,
Soviet-inspired board game Kolejka, Polandâ?Ts state
Institute of National Remembrance (IPN) reports."
http://europe.newsweek.com/russia-bans-polands-communist-monopoly-being-anti-russian-438972
Over the weekend, IPN reported that Russiaâ?Ts consumer
watchdog Rospotrebnadzor _warned_ that the game is
perceived as â?oanti-Russianâ? and excessively critical
of the Soviet system. Russian authorities asked
Trefl, the company who bought the gameâ?Ts license from
IPN, to either remove the direct historical references
from it or _risk_ getting the product banned.

This game is being sold on the Russian market since 2011. It's
not banned. Internet search <http://tinyurl.com/hm6rty7> gives
a number of shops in Russia that currently offer it. It seems
to be quite a mediocre item in the Russian market, far from to
be 'popular'. I never heard about this game before.

Newsweek article refers to manufacturer's post in the Facebook
<http://archive.is/xbwqm>, written in Polish. I can understand
that the manufacturer recently somehow changed the version
of the game intended to the Russian market. Then their Russian
distributor company allegedly warned them that the new version
might meet negative response from the Russian public and from
Rospotrebnadzor ('Office for Protection of Consumer Rights').

They speculate, Rospotrebnadzor allegedly suggested that the
seller should change text in the booklet that is a supplement
to the game supposed 'to introduce into historical context' etc.

There's absolutely no information about this Polish (one more)
tragic drama in Russian - neither in official sources nor in
non-official blogs / opposition media etc - the hysteria grows
solely from Polish and Ukrainian sources. So I can suppose two
possible options. First is, the Polish manufacturer of the game
has made up this story in order to achieve more publicity and
promote their products in non-Russian markets. Second is, they
really might write in [the new version of] their booklet some
nonsense that is inappropriate for settling in Russia. It's a
well known fact that the mainstream Polish propaganda used to
combine criticism against the Soviets and racist hatred against
the ethnic Russians two in one. In such a case Rospotrebnadzor's
intervention would be explainable.

Currently, Poland is a 'provincial' east-European country that
doesn't produce anything in economical and cultural sense that
might be interesting to Russian market and public. Meanwhile,
the Poles (mainly, the Polish intelligentsia and politicians)
tend to believe that Poland is destined to have some 'special'
links with Russia. It really was so in the 19 century, it's not
the case today, and it hurts the Poles to depth of their soul.

In the Polish media, one can find bitter lamentations, sort of
'I traveled in Russia and found that nobody gives a shit about
us the Poles here' eg. <http://archive.is/VXvs8>, even to the
anti-Putin opposition 'Poland is the last thing that interests
them.'

This Russian disinterest to Poland provokes the Poles to try to
remind about their existence through destructive invectives. It
includes the promotion of the anti-Russian racism in combination
with the Polish victimhood in regard to the USSR and Russian
empire. Dramatic play of the role of Russian victims is a kind
of professional occupation of the mainstream Polish politicians.
Eg., the Polish defense minister recently issued a statement
<http://gcssi.org/wp2/?p=6043> that the terrorism as phenomenon
is a product of the Soviet ideas while it 'did not exist in the
history of Western Christendom' (Polish defense ministers seem
to be traditionally a sort of clowns <http://on.rt.com/7fyj6q>).

The 'banned game' case should be understood in such a context.

[DVH]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

"Russia has banned Poland�?Ts popular, but controversial,
Soviet-inspired board game Kolejka, Poland�?Ts state
Institute of National Remembrance (IPN) reports."
http://europe.newsweek.com/russia-bans-polands-communist-monopoly-being-anti-russian-438972
Over the weekend, IPN reported that Russia�?Ts consumer
watchdog Rospotrebnadzor _warned_ that the game is
perceived as �?oanti-Russian�?� and excessively critical
of the Soviet system. Russian authorities asked
Trefl, the company who bought the game�?Ts license from
IPN, to either remove the direct historical references
from it or _risk_ getting the product banned.

This game is being sold on the Russian market since 2011. It's
not banned. Internet search <http://tinyurl.com/hm6rty7> gives
a number of shops in Russia that currently offer it. It seems
to be quite a mediocre item in the Russian market, far from to
be 'popular'. I never heard about this game before.
Newsweek article refers to manufacturer's post in the Facebook
<http://archive.is/xbwqm>, written in Polish. I can understand
that the manufacturer recently somehow changed the version
of the game intended to the Russian market. Then their Russian
distributor company allegedly warned them that the new version
might meet negative response from the Russian public and from
Rospotrebnadzor ('Office for Protection of Consumer Rights').
They speculate, Rospotrebnadzor allegedly suggested that the
seller should change text in the booklet that is a supplement
to the game supposed 'to introduce into historical context' etc.
There's absolutely no information about this Polish (one more)
tragic drama in Russian - neither in official sources nor in
non-official blogs / opposition media etc - the hysteria grows
solely from Polish and Ukrainian sources. So I can suppose two
possible options. First is, the Polish manufacturer of the game
has made up this story in order to achieve more publicity and
promote their products in non-Russian markets. Second is, they
really might write in [the new version of] their booklet some
nonsense that is inappropriate for settling in Russia. It's a
well known fact that the mainstream Polish propaganda used to
combine criticism against the Soviets and racist hatred against
the ethnic Russians two in one. In such a case Rospotrebnadzor's
intervention would be explainable.
Currently, Poland is a 'provincial' east-European country that
doesn't produce anything in economical and cultural sense that
might be interesting to Russian market and public. Meanwhile,
the Poles (mainly, the Polish intelligentsia and politicians)
tend to believe that Poland is destined to have some 'special'
links with Russia. It really was so in the 19 century, it's not
the case today, and it hurts the Poles to depth of their soul.
In the Polish media, one can find bitter lamentations, sort of
'I traveled in Russia and found that nobody gives a shit about
us the Poles here' eg. <http://archive.is/VXvs8>, even to the
anti-Putin opposition 'Poland is the last thing that interests
them.'
This Russian disinterest to Poland provokes the Poles to try to
remind about their existence through destructive invectives. It
includes the promotion of the anti-Russian racism in combination
with the Polish victimhood in regard to the USSR and Russian
empire. Dramatic play of the role of Russian victims is a kind
of professional occupation of the mainstream Polish politicians.
Eg., the Polish defense minister recently issued a statement
<http://gcssi.org/wp2/?p=6043> that the terrorism as phenomenon
is a product of the Soviet ideas while it 'did not exist in the
history of Western Christendom' (Polish defense ministers seem
to be traditionally a sort of clowns <http://on.rt.com/7fyj6q>).
The 'banned game' case should be understood in such a context.

Maybe they should design a flying game.

Each player is President of an eastern European country. The aim is to
fly from one capital to the next without crashing. The player
representing Russia has the goal of shooting down the aircraft of other
players.

I think it could be fun.

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov
This game is being sold on the Russian market since
2011. It's not banned. Internet search
<http://tinyurl.com/hm6rty7> gives a number of shops in
Russia that currently offer it. It seems to be quite a
mediocre item in the Russian market, far from to be
'popular'. I never heard about this game before.
Newsweek article refers to manufacturer's post in the
Facebook <http://archive.is/xbwqm>, written in Polish. I
can understand that the manufacturer recently somehow
changed the version of the game intended to the Russian
market. Then their Russian distributor company allegedly
warned them that the new version might meet negative
response from the Russian public and from Rospotrebnadzor
('Office for Protection of Consumer Rights').
They speculate, Rospotrebnadzor allegedly suggested that
the seller should change text in the booklet that is a
supplement to the game supposed 'to introduce into
historical context' etc.
There's absolutely no information about this Polish (one
more) tragic drama in Russian - neither in official
sources nor in non-official blogs / opposition media etc
- the hysteria grows solely from Polish and Ukrainian
sources. So I can suppose two possible options. First
is, the Polish manufacturer of the game has made up this
story in order to achieve more publicity and promote
their products in non-Russian markets. Second is, they
really might write in [the new version of] their booklet
some nonsense that is inappropriate for settling in
Russia. It's a well known fact that the mainstream
Polish propaganda used to combine criticism against the
Soviets and racist hatred against the ethnic Russians
two in one. In such a case Rospotrebnadzor's
intervention would be explainable.
Currently, Poland is a 'provincial' east-European
country that doesn't produce anything in economical and
cultural sense that might be interesting to Russian
market and public. Meanwhile, the Poles (mainly, the
Polish intelligentsia and politicians) tend to believe
that Poland is destined to have some 'special' links
with Russia. It really was so in the 19 century, it's
not the case today, and it hurts the Poles to depth of
their soul.
In the Polish media, one can find bitter lamentations,
sort of 'I traveled in Russia and found that nobody
gives a shit about us the Poles here' eg.
<http://archive.is/VXvs8>, even to the anti-Putin
opposition 'Poland is the last thing that interests
them.'
This Russian disinterest to Poland provokes the Poles to
try to remind about their existence through destructive
invectives. It includes the promotion of the
anti-Russian racism in combination with the Polish
victimhood in regard to the USSR and Russian empire.
Dramatic play of the role of Russian victims is a kind
of professional occupation of the mainstream Polish
politicians. Eg., the Polish defense minister recently
issued a statement <http://gcssi.org/wp2/?p=6043> that
the terrorism as phenomenon is a product of the Soviet
ideas while it 'did not exist in the history of Western
Christendom' (Polish defense ministers seem to be
traditionally a sort of clowns
<http://on.rt.com/7fyj6q>).
The 'banned game' case should be understood in such a
context.

Maybe they should design a flying game.
Each player is President of an eastern European country.
The aim is to fly from one capital to the next without
crashing. The player representing Russia has the goal of
shooting down the aircraft of other players.
I think it could be fun.

You and Mr Hammond have a risk to fall into a persistent
unhealthy obsession with Russia similar to the Polish one,
and it will not lead to anything good.

[A. Filip]

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov

"Russia has banned Polandâ?Ts popular, but controversial,
Soviet-inspired board game Kolejka, Polandâ?Ts state
Institute of National Remembrance (IPN) reports."
http://europe.newsweek.com/russia-bans-polands-communist-monopoly-being-anti-russian-438972
Over the weekend, IPN reported that Russiaâ?Ts consumer
watchdog Rospotrebnadzor _warned_ that the game is
perceived as anti-Russian and excessively critical
of the Soviet system. Russian authorities asked
Trefl, the company who bought the gameâ?Ts license from
IPN, to either remove the direct historical references
from it or _risk_ getting the product banned.

This game is being sold on the Russian market since 2011. It's
not banned. Internet search <http://tinyurl.com/hm6rty7> gives
a number of shops in Russia that currently offer it. It seems
to be quite a mediocre item in the Russian market, far from to
be 'popular'. I never heard about this game before.
Newsweek article refers to manufacturer's post in the Facebook
<http://archive.is/xbwqm>, written in Polish. I can understand
that the manufacturer recently somehow changed the version
of the game intended to the Russian market. Then their Russian
distributor company allegedly warned them that the new version
might meet negative response from the Russian public and from
Rospotrebnadzor ('Office for Protection of Consumer Rights').
They speculate, Rospotrebnadzor allegedly suggested that the
seller should change text in the booklet that is a supplement
to the game supposed 'to introduce into historical context' etc.

[...]

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The 'banned game' case should be understood in such a context.

Maybe they should design a flying game.
Each player is President of an eastern European country. The aim is to
fly from one capital to the next without crashing. The player
representing Russia has the goal of shooting down the aircraft of
other players.
I think it could be fun.

Replace "SHOOT down" with "down without being caught" and
you will truly deserve being called "polish(ed) paranoid" by Oleg ;-)

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by A. Filip

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The 'banned game' case should be understood in such a
context.

Maybe they should design a flying game.
Each player is President of an eastern European country.
The aim is to fly from one capital to the next without
crashing. The player representing Russia has the goal of
shooting down the aircraft of other players.
I think it could be fun.

Replace "SHOOT down" with "down without being caught" and
you will truly deserve being called "polish(ed) paranoid"
by Oleg ;-)

The Polish obsession is a complex thing where it's
obvious that the paranoia is largely histrionic, and
it's not the main component.

The Polish establishment sells the spectacular sort
of paranoia in Poland to the superior Atlanticist
establishment (like a hooker sells simulated orgasm),
which helps the Atlanticist policymakers to justify
their hegemonist interventionist agenda.

[DVH]

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The Polish obsession is a complex thing where it's
obvious that the paranoia is largely histrionic, and it's not the main
component.
The Polish establishment sells the spectacular sort
of paranoia in Poland to the superior Atlanticist
establishment (like a hooker sells simulated orgasm),
which helps the Atlanticist policymakers to justify
their hegemonist interventionist agenda.

There's no reason for the Poles to worry about Russian intentions.
Russia's invaded Poland a mere eight times since 1600, and been
partitioned for many years, so it's clear Russia is a reliable and
peaceful neighbour.

1632 invasion by Russia

1654 invasion by Russia

1733 invasion by Russia

1767 invasion by Russia

1792 invasion by Russia

1795 partition by Russia, Prussia and Austria

1831 invasion by Russia

1920 invasion by Russia

1939 invasion by Russia

[Piotr]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by A. Filip

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The 'banned game' case should be understood in such a
context.

Maybe they should design a flying game.
Each player is President of an eastern European country.
The aim is to fly from one capital to the next without
crashing. The player representing Russia has the goal of
shooting down the aircraft of other players.
I think it could be fun.

Replace "SHOOT down" with "down without being caught" and
you will truly deserve being called "polish(ed) paranoid"
by Oleg ;-)

The Polish obsession is a complex thing where it's
obvious that the paranoia is largely histrionic, and
it's not the main component.

tell this to the Ukrainians who were largely histrionically paranoid that the Russia might annex Crimea and send Russian soldiers to eastern Ukraine.


Piotr
==
"the Jews declared war on Germany in March 1933"
from neoNazi sources promoted by Oleg Smirnov

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by Piotr

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by A. Filip
Replace "SHOOT down" with "down without being caught"
and you will truly deserve being called "polish(ed)
paranoid" by Oleg ;-)

The Polish obsession is a complex thing where it's
obvious that the paranoia is largely histrionic, and
it's not the main component.

tell this to the Ukrainians who were largely
histrionically paranoid that the Russia might annex
Crimea and send Russian soldiers to eastern Ukraine.

The anti-constitutional coup in Kiev is the main reason
and the primarily source of the Ukraine's troubles. The
Russia-friendly Crimeans and the people in east Ukraine
were not happy about such a lawlessness. That's why they
decided to separate themselves from the 'new' Kiev.

Poland is extremely mono-ethnic country, and there's no
any non-negligible Russia-friendly parties in Poland, so
an Ukraine-like case is absolutely impossible in Poland.

[Piotr]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Piotr

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by A. Filip
Replace "SHOOT down" with "down without being caught"
and you will truly deserve being called "polish(ed)
paranoid" by Oleg ;-)

The Polish obsession is a complex thing where it's
obvious that the paranoia is largely histrionic, and
it's not the main component.

tell this to the Ukrainians who were largely
histrionically paranoid that the Russia might annex
Crimea and send Russian soldiers to eastern Ukraine.

The anti-constitutional coup in Kiev is the main reason
and the primarily source of the Ukraine's troubles.

Straight from Putin's troll farms ?

Piotr

==
"the Jews declared war on Germany in March 1933"
from neoNazi sources promoted by Oleg Smirnov

[A. Filip]

Post by Piotr

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Piotr

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by A. Filip
Replace "SHOOT down" with "down without being caught"
and you will truly deserve being called "polish(ed)
paranoid" by Oleg ;-)

The Polish obsession is a complex thing where it's
obvious that the paranoia is largely histrionic, and
it's not the main component.

tell this to the Ukrainians who were largely
histrionically paranoid that the Russia might annex
Crimea and send Russian soldiers to eastern Ukraine.

The anti-constitutional coup in Kiev is the main reason
and the primarily source of the Ukraine's troubles.

Straight from Putin's troll farms ?
Piotr

Is it _totally_ groundless?
His perspective is not your perspective, is it?

Post by Piotr
==
"the Jews declared war on Germany in March 1933"
from neoNazi sources promoted by Oleg Smirnov

Include link to the post (or it's Message-ID) or get lost.

[u2]

Post by A. Filip
Include link to the post (or it's Message-ID) or get lost.

no w koncu naczysz Trele poprawnie cytowac:))))))
--
General Skalski o zydach w UB :

"Rozanski, Zyd, kanalia najgorszego gatunku, razem z Brystigerowa,
Fejginami, to wszystko (...) nie byli ludzie."

prof. PAN Krzysztof Jasiewicz o zydach :

"Zydow gubi brak umiaru we wszystkim i przekonanie, ze sa narodem
wybranym. Czuja sie oni upowaznieni do interpretowania wszystkiego,
takze doktryny katolickiej. Cokolwiek bysmy zrobili, i tak bedzie
poddane ich krytyce - za malo, ze zle, ze zbyt malo ofiarnie. W moim
najglebszym przekonaniu szkoda czasu na dialog z Zydami, bo on do
niczego nie prowadzi... Ludzi, ktorzy uzywają slow 'antysemita',
'antysemicki', nalezy traktowac jak ludzi niegodnych debaty, ktorzy
usiluja niszczyc innych, gdy brakuje argumentow merytorycznych. To oni
tworza mowe nienawisci".

[Piotr]

Post by A. Filip

Post by Piotr

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Piotr

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The Polish obsession is a complex thing where it's
obvious that the paranoia is largely histrionic, and
it's not the main component.

tell this to the Ukrainians who were largely
histrionically paranoid that the Russia might annex
Crimea and send Russian soldiers to eastern Ukraine.

The anti-constitutional coup in Kiev is the main reason
and the primarily source of the Ukraine's troubles.

Straight from Putin's troll farms ?
Piotr

Is it _totally_ groundless?

see the _similar_ attempts of Mr. Smirnow to blame the victims e.g.
by basing his claims on neoNazi texts blaming WWII on "the Jews", Poles, US and everybody else, but the Germans (see his thread "an interesting reading").

I don't recall you inquiring then: "Is it _totally_ groundless?"

Post by A. Filip
His perspective is not your perspective, is it?

Duh. Why should I share the perspective of a Putin's apologist?

Post by A. Filip

Post by Piotr
==
"the Jews declared war on Germany in March 1933"
from neoNazi sources promoted by Oleg Smirnov

Include link to the post (or it's Message-ID) or get lost.

I have listed the original thread ("an interesting reading") dozens of times on scp, but if you missed it - it would be my pleasure:

Mr. Smirnov's thread: "an interesting reading"
( https://groups.google.com/forum/ hl=en#!topic/soc.culture.polish/eqVP0rKv2m0%5B1-25%5D

The "interesting reading" in the title is the book by a Hitler apologist "Michael Walsh" - who defends Hitler and Germany by blaming for WWII either the Poles:

"The first acts of aggression of the Second World War were carried out by the Polish armed forces in a serious of serious border attacks which took place over a considerable period of time. Repeated complaints by Germany were answered by further military border violations."
see: http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/witness2history/14.html

or the Americans and the Jews, e.g.:

"America actually began planning hostilities against Germany in 1934 with planning for the "Industrial Mobilization Bill" after the Jews declared war on Germany in March, 1933."
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/witness2history/15.html

Happy now, Mr. Filip ?

==
Piotr

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by Piotr

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Piotr

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The Polish obsession is a complex thing where it's
obvious that the paranoia is largely histrionic, and
it's not the main component.

tell this to the Ukrainians who were largely
histrionically paranoid that the Russia might annex
Crimea and send Russian soldiers to eastern Ukraine.

The anti-constitutional coup in Kiev is the main reason
and the primarily source of the Ukraine's troubles.

Straight from Putin's troll farms ?

Look at other east-European / post-socialist countries - Czechia,
Hungary, Slovakia, Romania .. - look at Finland - nowhere is
there such an ugly obsession about Russia as it occurs in Poland.
However, from the modern Russia's perspective there's no much
difference between Poland and these countries. So why namely the
Poles? I doubt it's just the Poles as such, I rather tend to
believe there are certain parties within the Polish establishment
that promote / induce this mass psychosis deliberately, and this
is not good neither for the ordinary Poles nor for someone else.

[u2]

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Look at other east-European / post-socialist countries - Czechia,
Hungary, Slovakia, Romania .. - look at Finland - nowhere is there such
an ugly obsession about Russia as it occurs in Poland.

marzenia scietej glowy, nikt sie Rosja nie przejmuje w Bolanda:))))))))
--
General Skalski o zydach w UB :

"Rozanski, Zyd, kanalia najgorszego gatunku, razem z Brystigerowa,
Fejginami, to wszystko (...) nie byli ludzie."

prof. PAN Krzysztof Jasiewicz o zydach :

"Zydow gubi brak umiaru we wszystkim i przekonanie, ze sa narodem
wybranym. Czuja sie oni upowaznieni do interpretowania wszystkiego,
takze doktryny katolickiej. Cokolwiek bysmy zrobili, i tak bedzie
poddane ich krytyce - za malo, ze zle, ze zbyt malo ofiarnie. W moim
najglebszym przekonaniu szkoda czasu na dialog z Zydami, bo on do
niczego nie prowadzi... Ludzi, ktorzy uzywają slow 'antysemita',
'antysemicki', nalezy traktowac jak ludzi niegodnych debaty, ktorzy
usiluja niszczyc innych, gdy brakuje argumentow merytorycznych. To oni
tworza mowe nienawisci".

[Fortunski]

Post by Piotr

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Piotr

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The Polish obsession is a complex thing where it's
obvious that the paranoia is largely histrionic, and
it's not the main component.

tell this to the Ukrainians who were largely
histrionically paranoid that the Russia might annex
Crimea and send Russian soldiers to eastern Ukraine.

The anti-constitutional coup in Kiev is the main reason
and the primarily source of the Ukraine's troubles.

Straight from Putin's troll farms ?

Look at other east-European / post-socialist countries - Czechia,
Hungary, Slovakia, Romania .. - look at Finland - nowhere is
there such an ugly obsession about Russia as it occurs in Poland.


Don't forget Russian's obsession against Poland...


However, from the modern Russia's perspective there's no much
difference between Poland and these countries. So why namely the
Poles? I doubt it's just the Poles as such, I rather tend to
believe there are certain parties within the Polish establishment
that promote / induce this mass psychosis deliberately, and this
is not good neither for the ordinary Poles nor for someone else.

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by Fortunski

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Look at other east-European / post-socialist countries - Czechia,
Hungary, Slovakia, Romania .. - look at Finland - nowhere is
there such an ugly obsession about Russia as it occurs in Poland.

Don't forget Russian's obsession against Poland...

The Polish propaganda fools you.

The Russians do not give a shit about Poland.

The only case that makes the Russians to notice Poland occurs
when your stinky politicians make some stinky statements and moves,
otherwise no one would recall anything about Poland here.

Post by Fortunski

Post by Oleg Smirnov
However, from the modern Russia's perspective there's no much
difference between Poland and these countries. So why namely the
Poles? I doubt it's just the Poles as such, I rather tend to
believe there are certain parties within the Polish establishment
that promote / induce this mass psychosis deliberately, and this
is not good neither for the ordinary Poles nor for someone else.

[Fortunski]

Post by Fortunski

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Look at other east-European / post-socialist countries - Czechia,
Hungary, Slovakia, Romania .. - look at Finland - nowhere is
there such an ugly obsession about Russia as it occurs in Poland.

Don't forget Russian's obsession against Poland...

The Polish propaganda fools you.

The Russians do not give a shit about Poland.

THEN WHAT you are doing HERE amongst Poles
pedling your Russian propaganda ? Stay with your
Russian shit and don’t come here any more.


The only case that makes the Russians to notice Poland occurs
when your stinky politicians make some stinky statements and moves,
otherwise no one would recall anything about Poland here.

Post by Fortunski

Post by Oleg Smirnov
However, from the modern Russia's perspective there's no much
difference between Poland and these countries. So why namely the
Poles? I doubt it's just the Poles as such, I rather tend to
believe there are certain parties within the Polish establishment
that promote / induce this mass psychosis deliberately, and this
is not good neither for the ordinary Poles nor for someone else.

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by Fortunski

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The Russians do not give a shit about Poland.

THEN WHAT you are doing HERE amongst Poles
pedling your Russian propaganda ? Stay with your
Russian shit and don't come here any more.

This thread was started as a response to another one Polish stink that
the shitty game 'Kolejka' was allegedly banned in Russia, so if you spread
idiocies about Russia then I come to you and tell you that it's not good.

[Fortunski]

Post by Fortunski

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The Russians do not give a shit about Poland.

THEN WHAT you are doing HERE amongst Poles
pedling your Russian propaganda ? Stay with your
Russian shit and don't come here any more.

This thread was started as a response to another one Polish stink that
the shitty game 'Kolejka' was allegedly banned in Russia, so if you spread
idiocies about Russia then I come to you and tell you that it's not good.
Stay with your

Post by Fortunski
Russian shit and don't come here any more.

As I said;
Stay with your Russian shit and don't come here any more.

[Oleg Smirnov]

Better stop stinking.

[Fortunski]

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Better stop stinking.

You don't understand what I said,
so I’ll say it again;
Stay better stay with your stinking Russian shit
and don't come here any more.

[Fortunski]

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Better stop stinking.

You don't understand what I said,
so I’ll say it again;
Stay better stay with your stinking Russian shit
and don't come here any more.

[u2]

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Better stop stinking.

/You don't understand what I said,/
/so I’ll say it again; /
*/Stay better stay with your stinking Russian shit /*
*/and don't come here any more.
/*

Olek to typowy troll, nawet na ruskich grupach go pędzą za głupotę:)
--
General Skalski o zydach w UB :

"Rozanski, Zyd, kanalia najgorszego gatunku, razem z Brystigerowa,
Fejginami, to wszystko (...) nie byli ludzie."

prof. PAN Krzysztof Jasiewicz o zydach :

"Zydow gubi brak umiaru we wszystkim i przekonanie, ze sa narodem
wybranym. Czuja sie oni upowaznieni do interpretowania wszystkiego,
takze doktryny katolickiej. Cokolwiek bysmy zrobili, i tak bedzie
poddane ich krytyce - za malo, ze zle, ze zbyt malo ofiarnie. W moim
najglebszym przekonaniu szkoda czasu na dialog z Zydami, bo on do
niczego nie prowadzi... Ludzi, ktorzy uzywają slow 'antysemita',
'antysemicki', nalezy traktowac jak ludzi niegodnych debaty, ktorzy
usiluja niszczyc innych, gdy brakuje argumentow merytorycznych. To oni
tworza mowe nienawisci".

[u2]

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The only case that makes the Russians to notice Poland occurs
when your stinky politicians make some stinky statements and moves,
otherwise no one would recall anything about Poland here.

jakieś przykłady Olek, czy tak sobie gębę wycierasz polaczkami ?:)
--
General Skalski o zydach w UB :

"Rozanski, Zyd, kanalia najgorszego gatunku, razem z Brystigerowa,
Fejginami, to wszystko (...) nie byli ludzie."

prof. PAN Krzysztof Jasiewicz o zydach :

"Zydow gubi brak umiaru we wszystkim i przekonanie, ze sa narodem
wybranym. Czuja sie oni upowaznieni do interpretowania wszystkiego,
takze doktryny katolickiej. Cokolwiek bysmy zrobili, i tak bedzie
poddane ich krytyce - za malo, ze zle, ze zbyt malo ofiarnie. W moim
najglebszym przekonaniu szkoda czasu na dialog z Zydami, bo on do
niczego nie prowadzi... Ludzi, ktorzy uzywają slow 'antysemita',
'antysemicki', nalezy traktowac jak ludzi niegodnych debaty, ktorzy
usiluja niszczyc innych, gdy brakuje argumentow merytorycznych. To oni
tworza mowe nienawisci".

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

"Russia has banned Polandâ?Ts popular, but
controversial, Soviet-inspired board game Kolejka,
Polandâ?Ts state Institute of National Remembrance
(IPN) reports."
http://europe.newsweek.com/russia-bans-polands-communist-monopoly-being-anti-russian-438972
Over the weekend, IPN reported that Russiaâ?Ts consumer
watchdog Rospotrebnadzor _warned_ that the game is
perceived as â?oanti-Russianâ? and excessively critical
of the Soviet system. Russian authorities asked
Trefl, the company who bought the gameâ?Ts license from
IPN, to either remove the direct historical references
from it or _risk_ getting the product banned.

This game is being sold on the Russian market since 2011.
It's not banned. Internet search
<http://tinyurl.com/hm6rty7> gives a number of shops in
Russia that currently offer it. It seems to be quite a
mediocre item in the Russian market, far from to be
'popular'. I never heard about this game before.
Newsweek article refers to manufacturer's post in the
Facebook <http://archive.is/xbwqm>, written in Polish. I
can understand that the manufacturer recently somehow
changed the version of the game intended to the Russian
market. Then their Russian distributor company allegedly
warned them that the new version might meet negative
response from the Russian public and from Rospotrebnadzor
('Office for Protection of Consumer Rights').
They speculate, Rospotrebnadzor allegedly suggested that
the seller should change text in the booklet that is a
supplement to the game supposed 'to introduce into
historical context' etc.
There's absolutely no information about this Polish (one
more) tragic drama in Russian - neither in official
sources nor in non-official blogs / opposition media etc
- the hysteria grows solely from Polish and Ukrainian
sources.

So far, one Russian [opposition] outlet has retold this
story and asked Rospotrebnadzor's pressservice to comment
<http://qr.de/ba5V>. The officials answered they could
know about that from the news media only. Moreover they
say that ideological issues in historical commentary - if
any - is not their sphere of competence, they watch only
about safety and age restrictions.

I'd like if Russia's authorities issued a recommendation
not to do business with Polish sellers without much need
since it ends up with the Polish stink like this.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
So I can suppose two possible options. First is,
the Polish manufacturer of the game has made up this
story in order to achieve more publicity and promote
their products in non-Russian markets. Second is, they
really might write in [the new version of] their booklet
some nonsense that is inappropriate for settling in
Russia. It's a well known fact that the mainstream Polish
propaganda used to combine criticism against the Soviets
and racist hatred against the ethnic Russians two in one.
In such a case Rospotrebnadzor's intervention would be
explainable.
Currently, Poland is a 'provincial' east-European country
that doesn't produce anything in economical and cultural
sense that might be interesting to Russian market and
public. Meanwhile, the Poles (mainly, the Polish
intelligentsia and politicians) tend to believe that
Poland is destined to have some 'special' links with
Russia. It really was so in the 19 century, it's not the
case today, and it hurts the Poles to depth of their
soul.
In the Polish media, one can find bitter lamentations,
sort of 'I traveled in Russia and found that nobody gives
a shit about us the Poles here' eg.
<http://archive.is/VXvs8>, even to the anti-Putin
opposition 'Poland is the last thing that interests them.'
This Russian disinterest to Poland provokes the Poles to
try to remind about their existence through destructive
invectives. It includes the promotion of the anti-Russian
racism in combination with the Polish victimhood in
regard to the USSR and Russian empire. Dramatic play of
the role of Russian victims is a kind of professional
occupation of the mainstream Polish politicians. Eg., the
Polish defense minister recently issued a statement
<http://gcssi.org/wp2/?p=6043> that the terrorism as
phenomenon is a product of the Soviet ideas while it 'did
not exist in the history of Western Christendom' (Polish
defense ministers seem to be traditionally a sort of
clowns <http://on.rt.com/7fyj6q>).
The 'banned game' case should be understood in such a
context.

[DVH]

Post by Oleg Smirnov
I'd like if Russia's authorities issued a recommendation
not to do business with Polish sellers without much need
since it ends up with the Polish stink like this.

Just invade Poland. That'll show 'em.

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/hc7lye5> kresy.pl 2016-03-26

Polish general <http://is.gd/vQIe6t> warns about the Russians:

"We will fall in very first battle. Our armed forces are weak while the
massive Russian army would take three days to reach Vistula. But we can't
give our young people to perdition. All the Poles capable of fighting
should be evacuated from the country into some another NATO country,
where we will be able to form new Polish army, which will be used later
to fight on the Poland's territory. The Russians will be ruthless. They
will mercilessly pacify everything. We must have a clear evacuation plan.
But nobody cares! No, I'm not suggesting to give up. We must fight. But
we need to think over in advance who will be playing with whom." etc

The drivel like this is a quite typical attribute of the Polish officials.

One might suggest they add some strong hallucinogens in their drinking
water supply facilities, or something like that, however I tend to believe
such an excitation is deliberate, a form of perverted self-satisfaction.

In addition to that it's pretty easy to find quite many Poles commenting
under Russian videos on YouTube something enthusiastic about 'Slavic
brotherhood'. This clearly means that the Polish intelligentsia and policy
makers are very jealous of attraction of their populace to Russia. On the
third hand there are many radical nationalist Poles really hating Russia.

Too much schizophrenia in Poland.

[Piotr]

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/hc7lye5> kresy.pl 2016-03-26
"We will fall in very first battle. Our armed forces are weak while the
massive Russian army would take three days to reach Vistula. But we can't
give our young people to perdition. All the Poles capable of fighting
should be evacuated from the country into some another NATO country,
where we will be able to form new Polish army, which will be used later
to fight on the Poland's territory. The Russians will be ruthless. They
will mercilessly pacify everything. We must have a clear evacuation plan.
But nobody cares! No, I'm not suggesting to give up. We must fight. But
we need to think over in advance who will be playing with whom." etc
The drivel like this is a quite typical attribute of the Polish officials.
One might suggest they add some strong hallucinogens in their drinking
water supply facilities, or something like that, however I tend to believe
such an excitation is deliberate, a form of perverted self-satisfaction.
In addition to that it's pretty easy to find quite many Poles commenting
under Russian videos on YouTube something enthusiastic about 'Slavic
brotherhood'. This clearly means that the Polish intelligentsia and policy
makers are very jealous of attraction of their populace to Russia. On the
third hand there are many radical nationalist Poles really hating Russia.
Too much schizophrenia in Poland.

"the Jews declared war on Germany in March, 1933."

from his NeoNazi source that Oleg Smirnov recommended on scp as "an interesting reading" (see thread: "an interesting reading")

https://groups.google.com/forum/ hl=en#!topic/soc.culture.polish/eqVP0rKv2m0%5B1-25%5D

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/zlbfng5> biznes.onet.pl

5,5 mln Polaków mieszka bez pradu, kanalizacji lub w przeludnieniu
Polska zajmuje jedno z ostatnich miejsc w Europie jesli chodzi o polityke
mieszkaniowa. W warunkach substandardowych w Polsce mieszka ok. 5,5 mln osób,
czyli 14% spoleczenstwa - wynika z najnowszego raportu Fundacji Habitat For
Humanity.

- W Polsce mamy 360 mieszkan na tysiac mieszkanców, srednia europejska to 100
mieszkan wiecej. W Niemczech np. jest to ok. 500 mieszkan na tysiac
mieszkanców. Efekty tego mozna sobie wyobrazic, jest to
przede wszystkim mieszkanie w przeludnieniu. Szacuje sie, ze polowa mezczyzn w
wieku reprodukcyjnym, czyli od 25 do 30 roku zycia, dzieli mieszkanie z
rodzenstwem, rodzicami lub innymi osobami - mówi Malgorzata Salamon, dyrektor
Fundacji Habitat for Humanity.

...

And these cramped conditions persist despite the fact that a half of the Poles
is not living in Poland but engaged in the plumbing works abroad. Whereas the
Polish political establishment prefers to live within the drugged delirium of
their sick dreams about Russia instead of making efforts to apartment building
for the Polish people. Shame on Poland.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/hc7lye5> kresy.pl 2016-03-26
"We will fall in very first battle. Our armed forces
are weak while the massive Russian army would take
three days to reach Vistula. But we can't give our
young people to perdition. All the Poles capable of
fighting should be evacuated from the country into
some another NATO country, where we will be able to
form new Polish army, which will be used later to
fight on the Poland's territory. The Russians will be
ruthless. They will mercilessly pacify everything. We
must have a clear evacuation plan. But nobody cares!
No, I'm not suggesting to give up. We must fight. But
we need to think over in advance who will be playing
with whom." etc
The drivel like this is a quite typical attribute of the Polish officials.

[u2]

Post by Oleg Smirnov
And these cramped conditions persist despite the fact that a half of the Poles
is not living in Poland but engaged in the plumbing works abroad.

mrzonki:)

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Whereas the
Polish political establishment prefers to live within the drugged delirium of
their sick dreams about Russia instead of making efforts to apartment building
for the Polish people. Shame on Poland.

lol
--
General Skalski o zydach w UB :

"Rozanski, Zyd, kanalia najgorszego gatunku, razem z Brystigerowa,
Fejginami, to wszystko (...) nie byli ludzie."

prof. PAN Krzysztof Jasiewicz o zydach :

"Zydow gubi brak umiaru we wszystkim i przekonanie, ze sa narodem
wybranym. Czuja sie oni upowaznieni do interpretowania wszystkiego,
takze doktryny katolickiej. Cokolwiek bysmy zrobili, i tak bedzie
poddane ich krytyce - za malo, ze zle, ze zbyt malo ofiarnie. W moim
najglebszym przekonaniu szkoda czasu na dialog z Zydami, bo on do
niczego nie prowadzi... Ludzi, ktorzy uzywają slow 'antysemita',
'antysemicki', nalezy traktowac jak ludzi niegodnych debaty, ktorzy
usiluja niszczyc innych, gdy brakuje argumentow merytorycznych. To oni
tworza mowe nienawisci".

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/zlzu3u> politico.eu

Polish foreign minister: No more 'negro mentality' toward US

Witold Waszczykowski's words get him into trouble again.

By JAN CIENSKI | 3/30/16

Poland's new government has shed the country's "negro mentality" when it comes
to relations with the United States, Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski
said on Polish public television.
Waszczykowski's use of *murzynskosci*, a phrase insulting in both Polish and
English, was supposed to be his way of showing that Poland's right-wing Law
and Justice party (PiS) government has broken with the supposed servile
attitude towards Washington demonstrated by the previous government. ..

...

Pan Waszczykowski's statement is indeed an oxymoron.

Polish 'murzynskosc' literally means 'niggerness'. English non-insulting and
perfectly polite equivalent would be 'slavishness'. But, because the Poles are
Slavs it means Poland cannot be non-slavish, simply by design.

Btw it's not the Waszczykowski's specific wording. Former Polish MFA Sikorski
used it as well, but not in public <http://archive.is/fl9Oa>. In 2008 Sikorski
also joked Obama's grandfather was a cannibal <http://archive.is/Gtl6c>.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Polish media <http://tinyurl.com/zlbfng5> biznes.onet.pl 2016-03-14
5.5 million of the Poles are liveing without electricity, sanitation or in
overcrowded conditions.

[Oleg Smirnov]

Here is what the Polish nationalist loonies are really dreaming about.

<http://tinyurl.com/jksp8cd> unian.info

"I am considering the idea of creating a partnership bloc stretching
from the Baltic to the Black and the Adriatic seas." .. said newly elected
President of Poland Andrzej Duda last week in an interview ..

<http://tinyurl.com/jf7shu9> cepa.org

The Dream of the Intermarium

<http://tinyurl.com/glzxlzv> stratfor.com

The revival of Intermarium ..

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/zlzu3u>
Polish foreign minister: No more 'negro mentality' toward US

[Oleg Smirnov]

Я думаю это утопия, потому что для создания международного объединения
нужна какая-то большая над-национальная идея. Однако польский и другие
региональные национализмы представляют склочно-местечковый менталитет,
и главное что есть между ними общего - исторические обиды на жестокости
советского интернационализма, а также, может быть, ещё и на имперскую
Россию. На 'дружбе против' строить что-нибудь прочное вряд ли получится.
Ещё одно общее это общий хозяин, Америка. В принципе, под патронажем и
надзором американцев создать 'междуморье' возможно, - но только в том
случае если Америке понадобится альтернатива ЕС.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Here is what the Polish nationalist loonies are really dreaming about.
<http://tinyurl.com/jksp8cd> unian.info
"I am considering the idea of creating a partnership bloc stretching from
the Baltic to the Black and the Adriatic seas." .. said newly elected
President of Poland Andrzej Duda last week in an interview ..
<http://tinyurl.com/jf7shu9> cepa.org
The Dream of the Intermarium
<http://tinyurl.com/glzxlzv> stratfor.com
The revival of Intermarium ..

[u2]

Post by Oleg Smirnov
исторические обиды на жестокости
советского интернационализма, а также, может быть, ещё и на имперскую
Россию.

nie tylko, terazniejszosc to zabicie 96 pasazerow tupolewa w Smolensku,
twoi mocodawcy nie kwapia sie do wyjasnienia tego zamachu, nawet biorac
pod uwage, ze u was wszystko trwa ruski miesiac:)
--
General Skalski o zydach w UB :

"Rozanski, Zyd, kanalia najgorszego gatunku, razem z Brystigerowa,
Fejginami, to wszystko (...) nie byli ludzie."

prof. PAN Krzysztof Jasiewicz o zydach :

"Zydow gubi brak umiaru we wszystkim i przekonanie, ze sa narodem
wybranym. Czuja sie oni upowaznieni do interpretowania wszystkiego,
takze doktryny katolickiej. Cokolwiek bysmy zrobili, i tak bedzie
poddane ich krytyce - za malo, ze zle, ze zbyt malo ofiarnie. W moim
najglebszym przekonaniu szkoda czasu na dialog z Zydami, bo on do
niczego nie prowadzi... Ludzi, ktorzy uzywają slow 'antysemita',
'antysemicki', nalezy traktowac jak ludzi niegodnych debaty, ktorzy
usiluja niszczyc innych, gdy brakuje argumentow merytorycznych. To oni
tworza mowe nienawisci".

[Piotr]

A Russian goes onto a Polish to bitch a Poles (Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov)...

You were talking about "morbid obsession" about another ethnic group, Mr Smirnov? ;-)

Piotr
===
"the Jews declared war on Germany in March 1933"
from neoNazi sources promoted on scp by Oleg Smirnov

[Oleg Smirnov]

On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 8:54:43 AM UTC-2:30, Oleg Smirnov
A Russian goes onto a Polish to bitch a Poles (Smirnov
replying to the post by Smirnov replying to the post by
Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov replying to the
post by Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov replying
to the post by Smirnov)...
You were talking about "morbid obsession" about another
ethnic group, Mr Smirnov? ;-)

This stuff in intended to your enlightening.

It started when your IPN stinkers issued a yet one stink
about alleged ban of 'Kolejka' in Russia which inspired me
to make a little raid into your terrarium one more time.

[Piotr]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 8:54:43 AM UTC-2:30, Oleg Smirnov
A Russian goes onto a Polish to bitch a Poles (Smirnov
replying to the post by Smirnov replying to the post by
Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov replying to the
post by Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov replying
to the post by Smirnov)...
You were talking about "morbid obsession" about another
ethnic group, Mr Smirnov? ;-)

This stuff in intended to your enlightening.
It started when your IPN stinkers issued a yet one stink
about alleged ban of 'Kolejka' in Russia which inspired me
to make a little raid into your terrarium one more time.

except the series of posts we are discussing here has NOTHING to do with "the alleged ban of Kolejka" - but is all about a guy who gets off ... on his own posts, namely:

--------------
----------------

Post by Oleg Smirnov

A Russian goes onto a Polish to bitch a Poles (Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov)...

Examples of Smirnov contradicting Smirnov in those 7 serial posts:

- first he applauds the Polish "populace" for being "attracted to Russia"
then ... slams the very same people calling them "plebs" engaged in menial jobs ("a half of the Poles not living in Poland but engaged in the plumbing works abroad") and with questionable morality ("the reproductive Poles must have been accustomed to group sex").

- then he ridicules Poles for being slaves to their "American masters", only to slam in the next post Poles as rasists for a Polish minister saying that the Poles ... won't be the slaves of the American interests.

And that's from the same Smirnov who likes to diagnose _others_ as schizophrenic ... ("Too much schizophrenia in Poland.") ;-)

Piotr

===
"the Jews declared war on Germany in March 1933"
from neoNazi sources promoted on scp by Oleg Smirnov

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by Piotr
- then he ridicules Poles for being slaves to their
"American masters", only to slam in the next post Poles
as rasists for a Polish minister saying that the Poles
... won't be the slaves of the American interests.

The Poles are Slavs hence they are behaviorally slavish.

What's here to disagree with?

[brat_olin]

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The Poles are Slavs hence they are behaviorally slavish.

"Slav" comes from "Suave". Therefore they are suavish,
i.e. agreeable and curteous. You will find some fine
examples of them in this forum, Oleg. And there is also
other sort, of course.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
What's here to disagree with?

Ano!

--
Smart questions to stupid answers

[Oleg Smirnov]

brat_olin,

Post by brat_olin

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The Poles are Slavs hence they are behaviorally slavish.

"Slav" comes from "Suave". Therefore they are suavish,
i.e. agreeable and curteous.

It's nice, but it's irrelevant where 'Slav' came from.

In 9 - 10 century the Germans conquered and captured or
subjugated a large amount of the western Slavs. Many of
them were subjected to forced labor and sold to other
countries. This way the Slavs in the West became slaves
(and Slav-like became slavish).

Post by brat_olin
You will find some fine
examples of them in this forum, Oleg. And there is also
other sort, of course.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
What's here to disagree with?

Ano!

But the szlachta were Sarmatians, you know.

[Piotr]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Piotr
- then he ridicules Poles for being slaves to their
"American masters", only to slam in the next post Poles
as rasists for a Polish minister saying that the Poles
... won't be the slaves of the American interests.

The Poles are Slavs hence they are behaviorally slavish.

I guess after some two centuries of mass rapes and sexual slavery at the hands of your Mongol overlords - there was not much Slavic left in you:

"A full-scale invasion of Rus' by Batu Khan followed, from 1237 to 1240. The invasion was ended by the Mongol succession process upon the death of Ögedei Khan. All Rus' principalities were forced to submit to Mongol rule and became part of the Golden Horde empire, some of which lasted until 1480."

Given the over 2 centuries of the Russian slavery to the Mongols, Smirnov lecturs other nations on "slavish behavior" .... ;-)


But that's beyond the point - we have examining _your_ behaviour:

===
"the series of [Smirnov's] posts has NOTHING to do with "the alleged ban of Kolejka" - but is all about a guy who gets off ... on his own posts, namely:

--------------
----------------

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Piotr
A Russian goes onto a Polish to bitch a Poles (Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov)...

Examples of Smirnov contradicting Smirnov in those 7 serial posts:

- first he applauds the Polish "populace" for being "attracted to Russia"
then ... slams the very same people calling them "plebs" engaged in menial jobs ("a half of the Poles not living in Poland but engaged in the plumbing works abroad") and with questionable morality ("the reproductive Poles must have been accustomed to group sex").

- then he ridicules Poles for being slaves to their "American masters", only to slam in the next post Poles as rasists for a Polish minister saying that the Poles ... won't be the slaves of the American interests.

And that's from the same Smirnov who likes to diagnose _others_ as schizophrenic ... ("Too much schizophrenia in Poland.") ;-) "

=== end of quote =============

By their arguments you shall know them. Ladies and Gentleman - Mr. Oleg Smirnov.

===
Piotr

[Oleg Smirnov]

On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 5:03:55 PM UTC-2:30, Oleg Smirnov

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Piotr
- then he ridicules Poles for being slaves to their
"American masters", only to slam in the next post Poles
as rasists for a Polish minister saying that the Poles
... won't be the slaves of the American interests.

The Poles are Slavs hence they are behaviorally slavish.

I guess after some two centuries of mass rapes and sexual
slavery at the hands of your Mongol overlords - there was

No need to guess since the ethnogenetics is not a secret.

Your BDSM fantasies expose your mental patterns.

- first he applauds the Polish "populace" for being
"attracted to Russia"
then ... slams the very same people calling them "plebs"
engaged in menial jobs ("a half of the Poles not living
in Poland but engaged in the plumbing works abroad") and
with questionable morality ("the reproductive Poles must
have been accustomed to group sex").

And, judging by Piotr, to BDSM too.

[Piotr]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 5:03:55 PM UTC-2:30, Oleg Smirnov

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Piotr
- then he ridicules Poles for being slaves to their
"American masters", only to slam in the next post Poles
as rasists for a Polish minister saying that the Poles
... won't be the slaves of the American interests.

The Poles are Slavs hence they are behaviorally slavish.

I guess after some two centuries of mass rapes and sexual
slavery at the hands of your Mongol overlords - there was

No need to guess since the ethnogenetics is not a secret.

send the link to you ethnogenetic arguemnt so everybody can assess what does it tell about Smirnov. I see 2 possibilities:

either "ethnogentics" says that Russians are Slavs and therefore Smirnov is a kettle calling pot black (because his claims that being a Slav omplies "slavish behaviour" applies also to Russians)

or the ethnogenetics says that after centuries of being conquered by foreign armies and then subject to over 2 centuries of the direct rule by their Mongol overlords - the previously Slavic genes of Russians have been so diluted by the genes of their conquerors so much that modern Russians can no longer be considered "Slavs". And after _that_ Smirnov calls other nations "slaves" ?

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Your BDSM fantasies expose your mental patterns.

No, dear Smirnov - that armies routinely "raped and pillaged" the lands
they conquered is no "BDSM fantasy", but a well established fact. That Mongols
conquered and ruled Russians for over two centuries is also a fact - and, no,
deleting this information from your response will not erase it from history:

"A full-scale invasion of Rus' by Batu Khan followed, from 1237 to 1240. The invasion was ended by the Mongol succession process upon the death of Ögedei Khan. All Rus' principalities were forced to submit to Mongol rule and became part of the Golden Horde empire, some of which lasted until 1480."

And that first Mongols, then Tatars, were capturing en-mass women in the areas they invaded for sexual slavery is, unfortunately, not a "fantasy" either.

Piotr
P.S. And you still won't distract from the original subject of the discussion:

the series of posts we are discussing here has NOTHING to do with "the alleged ban of Kolejka" - but is all about a guy who gets off ... on his own posts, namely:

--------------
----------------

Post by Oleg Smirnov

A Russian goes onto a Polish to bitch a Poles (Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov replying to the post by Smirnov)...

Examples of Smirnov contradicting Smirnov in those 7 serial posts:

- first he applauds the Polish "populace" for being "attracted to Russia"
then ... slams the very same people calling them "plebs" engaged in menial jobs ("a half of the Poles not living in Poland but engaged in the plumbing works abroad") and with questionable morality ("the reproductive Poles must have been accustomed to group sex").

- then he ridicules Poles for being slaves to their "American masters", only to slam in the next post Poles as rasists for a Polish minister saying that the Poles ... won't be the slaves of the American interests.

And that's from the same Smirnov who likes to diagnose _others_ as schizophrenic ... ("Too much schizophrenia in Poland.") ;-)
========================

[Oleg Smirnov]

On Saturday, April 2, 2016 at 12:39:44 PM UTC-2:30, Oleg Smirnov

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Piotr

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Piotr
- then he ridicules Poles for being slaves to their
"American masters", only to slam in the next post
Poles
as rasists for a Polish minister saying that the Poles
... won't be the slaves of the American interests.

The Poles are Slavs hence they are behaviorally slavish.

I guess after some two centuries of mass rapes and
sexual slavery at the hands of your Mongol overlords - there

No need to guess since the ethnogenetics is not a secret.

send the link to you ethnogenetic arguemnt so everybody
can assess what does it tell about Smirnov. I see 2
either "ethnogentics" says that Russians are Slavs and
therefore Smirnov is a kettle calling pot black (because
his claims that being a Slav omplies "slavish behaviour"
applies also to Russians)

Here is some problem, because - I suspect - many of the
Russians today would prefer to have nothing in common
with the Poles.

Inter alia it means the idea of allegedly special Russian
interest 'to invade Poland' makes absolutely no sense, -
but the Polish stinkers (I mean, the politicians and
ideologists) ecstatically speculate about alleged 'threat',
which cannot cause anything other than squeamishness.

or the ethnogenetics says that after centuries of being
conquered by foreign armies and then subject to over 2
centuries of the direct rule by their Mongol overlords -

There was no 'direct rule'. A few years after invasion
they tried to establish something like that but could
not succeed against popular resistance and sabotage. It
soon stabilized in a vassalage with native domestic rule
and political and economic obligations.

[Piotr]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

On Saturday, April 2, 2016 at 12:39:44 PM UTC-2:30, Oleg Smirnov

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Piotr

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Piotr
- then he ridicules Poles for being slaves to their
"American masters", only to slam in the next post
Poles
as rasists for a Polish minister saying that the Poles
... won't be the slaves of the American interests.

The Poles are Slavs hence they are behaviorally slavish.

I guess after some two centuries of mass rapes and
sexual slavery at the hands of your Mongol overlords - there

No need to guess since the ethnogenetics is not a secret.

send the link to you ethnogenetic arguemnt so everybody
can assess what does it tell about Smirnov. I see 2
either "ethnogentics" says that Russians are Slavs and
therefore Smirnov is a kettle calling pot black (because
his claims that being a Slav omplies "slavish behaviour"
applies also to Russians)

Here is some problem, because - I suspect - many of the
Russians today would prefer to have nothing in common
with the Poles.

Don't change the subject, Smirnov, this has nothing to do with the discussed here question. Let e remind you - you have to defend your claim from this thread, namely:

"The Poles are Slavs hence they are behaviorally slavish. What's here to disagree with?" Oleg Smirnov,

To which I "disagree" by posing the following questions:

- either Russians are Slavs and therefore Smirnov is a kettle calling pot black (because his claims that being a Slav omplies "slavish behaviour" applies also to Russians)

or after centuries of being conquered by foreign armies and then subject to over 2 centuries of the direct rule by their Mongol overlords - the previously Slavic genes of Russians have been so diluted by the genes of their conquerors so much that modern Russians can no longer be considered "Slavs". And after _that_ Smirnov calls other nations "slaves" ?

Which of the two - Mr. Smirnov?

Piotr
===

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Your BDSM fantasies expose your mental patterns.

"A full-scale invasion of Rus' by Batu Khan followed, from 1237 to 1240. The invasion was ended by the Mongol succession process upon the death of Ögedei Khan. All Rus' principalities were forced to submit to Mongol rule and became part of the Golden Horde empire, some of which lasted until 1480."
And that first Mongols, then Tatars, were capturing en-mass women in the areas they invaded for sexual slavery is, unfortunately, not a "fantasy" either. "

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by Piotr

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Here is some problem, because - I suspect - many of the
Russians today would prefer to have nothing in common
with the Poles.

Don't change the subject, Smirnov, this has nothing to do
with the discussed here question. Let e remind you - you

<http://tinyurl.com/jk4yq9e>

I've said enough.

[u2]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Piotr

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Here is some problem, because - I suspect - many of the
Russians today would prefer to have nothing in common
with the Poles.

Don't change the subject, Smirnov, this has nothing to do
with the discussed here question. Let e remind you - you

<http://tinyurl.com/jk4yq9e>
I've said enough.

http://www.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/product/childrens_t_shirts/keep-calm-and-be-putinoid/?ranMID=40756&ranEAID=je6NUbpObpQ&ranSiteID=je6NUbpObpQ-1Zlx4fUVcNkip7pFdBQ.Iw
--
General Skalski o zydach w UB :

"Rozanski, Zyd, kanalia najgorszego gatunku, razem z Brystigerowa,
Fejginami, to wszystko (...) nie byli ludzie."

prof. PAN Krzysztof Jasiewicz o zydach :

"Zydow gubi brak umiaru we wszystkim i przekonanie, ze sa narodem
wybranym. Czuja sie oni upowaznieni do interpretowania wszystkiego,
takze doktryny katolickiej. Cokolwiek bysmy zrobili, i tak bedzie
poddane ich krytyce - za malo, ze zle, ze zbyt malo ofiarnie. W moim
najglebszym przekonaniu szkoda czasu na dialog z Zydami, bo on do
niczego nie prowadzi... Ludzi, ktorzy uzywają slow 'antysemita',
'antysemicki', nalezy traktowac jak ludzi niegodnych debaty, ktorzy
usiluja niszczyc innych, gdy brakuje argumentow merytorycznych. To oni
tworza mowe nienawisci".

[Piotr]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Piotr

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Here is some problem, because - I suspect - many of the
Russians today would prefer to have nothing in common
with the Poles.

Don't change the subject, Smirnov, this has nothing to do
with the discussed here question. Let e remind you - you
"The Poles are Slavs hence they are behaviorally slavish. What's
here to disagree with?" Oleg Smirnov,
- either Russians are Slavs and therefore Smirnov is a kettle calling pot
black (because his claims that being a Slav omplies "slavish behaviour"
applies also to Russians)
or after centuries of being conquered by foreign armies and then subject
to over 2 centuries of the direct rule by their Mongol overlords -
the previously Slavic genes of Russians have been so diluted by the
genes of their conquerors so much that modern Russians can no longer
be considered "Slavs". And after _that_ Smirnov calls other nations
"slaves" ?
Which of the two - Mr. Smirnov?

<http://tinyurl.com/jk4yq9e>
I've said enough.

If you wanted to remind what kind of person you are - you have said enough indeed:

"The Poles are Slavs hence they are behaviorally slavish"
Oleg Smirnov

"a half of the Poles not living in Poland but engaged in the plumbing works abroad" Oleg Smirnov


"the reproductive Poles must have been accustomed to group sex"
Oleg Smirnov


"Too much schizophrenia in Poland."
Oleg Smirnov

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/gnag9qp> foreignpolicy.com

The Ghosts of Smolensk
How the divisive legacy of late President Lech Kaczynski still poisons
Poland's politics.

CHRISTIAN DAVIES | APRIL 8, 2016

.. But during a stopover in Crimea to collect the Latvian prime minister and
the presidents of Estonia, Lithuania, and Ukraine, Kaczynski announced a
change of plan: They would be flying directly to Tbilisi. His pilot refused.
They did not have the requisite security guarantees to fly into a war zone on
such short notice, he said, and he could not fulfill his duty to ensure the
safety of the passengers.

Kaczynski confronted the pilot, demanding respect for his authority as head of
state. "If someone decides to become a pilot, he cannot be fearful," the
president told him, according to the Polish newspaper Dziennik. "After we
return home we shall deal with this matter." A few weeks later, a deputy from
Kaczynski's Law and Justice party demanded that the pilot be prosecuted on the
grounds of his "cowardice" and insubordination. .. While the pilot who was
accused of cowardice ultimately dropped out of the military, citing
depression, his co-pilot and navigator died in an aviation disaster just under
two years later. They were flying a delegation led by President Kaczynski to
Smolensk in western Russia. ..

.. President Kaczynski, however, had not been invited. It suited both Tusk and
Putin to underscore that, whereas Kaczynski's confrontational approach had
left him isolated, their statesmanship had yielded results. But Kaczynski was
determined not to allow Tusk to take all the credit. Shunned by Dmitry
Medvedev, his Russian counterpart, Kaczynski scheduled his own delegation to
Katyn. It was this rival delegation, flying in the same plane as Tusk's had
done three days before, that would never reach its destination.

To Kaczynski's supporters, Tusk's "alliance" with Putin offered grounds for
suspicion that the tragic accident that killed Kaczynski was, in fact, an
assassination. For them, the prime minister's concessions to Germany and
Russia were tantamount to national surrender, his conciliatory approach craven
and unpatriotic. Kaczynski, they argue, had proven a formidable obstacle to
these dastardly plots. In fact, he was so dangerous to Tusk and Putin that he
was to be eliminated. ..

For Kaczynski's critics, the most likely explanation is more prosaic, if
nonetheless troubling. 2010 was a presidential election year, and Kaczynski
was lagging badly in the polls. They argue that Kaczynski's delegation was
heaving with top-ranking officials because of his desire to assert his status
as head of state. When the warning came from Russia that his plane should turn
back on account of heavy fog, it is possible to imagine that this was
interpreted not as a warning made in good faith, but as a ruse to humiliate
him further. Kaczynski had a record when it came to pressuring pilots to land
in dangerous circumstances, and cockpit recordings appear to show senior
officials pressuring the pilots to land immediately before impact. ..

...

The story illustrates the features of the Polish nationalism Kaczynski style.

A shrill hell of a mix of.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/zlzu3u>
Polish foreign minister: No more 'negro mentality' toward US

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/hx688uo> politico.eu

European Parliament to push for tougher action on Poland

MEPs hopes to spur the Commission to crack down on Warsaw.

MAÏA DE LA BAUME AND JAN CIENSKI | 4/11/16

Poland should face the next level of scrutiny from the European Commission
in its probe of the country's rule of law, according to a draft motion seen
by POLITICO that is being readied for debate in the European Parliament on
Wednesday. ..

If the right-wing government in Warsaw doesn't comply, then the Commission
should move to the second stage of the rule of law procedure which "shall
clarify whether there is a systemic threat to the democratic values and the
rule of law in Poland," the draft resolution states. ..

...

Euroatlanticism allows dense right-wing agenda only for special purposes.
That's why the current Polish government is so industriously yelling and
whining - and jumping and beating their head on the floor - about fictional
Russian threat. "Please allow us to exist, Sir, Russia is about going to
invade us, so, please, allow us to exist."

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/gnag9qp>
The Ghosts of Smolensk

[DVH]

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/hx688uo> politico.eu
European Parliament to push for tougher action on Poland
MEPs hopes to spur the Commission to crack down on Warsaw.
MAÏA DE LA BAUME AND JAN CIENSKI | 4/11/16
Poland should face the next level of scrutiny from the European Commission
in its probe of the country's rule of law, according to a draft motion seen
by POLITICO that is being readied for debate in the European Parliament on
Wednesday. ..
If the right-wing government in Warsaw doesn't comply, then the Commission
should move to the second stage of the rule of law procedure which "shall
clarify whether there is a systemic threat to the democratic values and the
rule of law in Poland," the draft resolution states. ..
...
Euroatlanticism allows dense right-wing agenda only for special purposes.
That's why the current Polish government is so industriously yelling and
whining - and jumping and beating their head on the floor - about fictional
Russian threat. "Please allow us to exist, Sir, Russia is about going to
invade us, so, please, allow us to exist."

How many times has Russia invaded Poland in the past?

[Mr. B1ack]

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/hx688uo> politico.eu
European Parliament to push for tougher action on Poland
MEPs hopes to spur the Commission to crack down on Warsaw.
MAÏA DE LA BAUME AND JAN CIENSKI | 4/11/16
Poland should face the next level of scrutiny from the European Commission
in its probe of the country's rule of law, according to a draft motion seen
by POLITICO that is being readied for debate in the European Parliament on
Wednesday. ..
If the right-wing government in Warsaw doesn't comply, then the Commission
should move to the second stage of the rule of law procedure which "shall
clarify whether there is a systemic threat to the democratic values and the
rule of law in Poland," the draft resolution states. ..
...
Euroatlanticism allows dense right-wing agenda only for special purposes.
That's why the current Polish government is so industriously yelling and
whining - and jumping and beating their head on the floor - about fictional
Russian threat. "Please allow us to exist, Sir, Russia is about going to
invade us, so, please, allow us to exist."

How many times has Russia invaded Poland in the past?

Poland has suffered MUCH more from aggressors
and conquerors to its WEST than from its east.

[DVH]

Post by Mr. B1ack

Post by DVH
How many times has Russia invaded Poland in the past?

Poland has suffered MUCH more from aggressors
and conquerors to its WEST than from its east.

Mainly the Swedes.

But Soviet invasion followed by forty years of ownership is quite enough.

[Mr. B1ack]

Post by DVH

Post by Mr. B1ack

Post by DVH
How many times has Russia invaded Poland in the past?

Poland has suffered MUCH more from aggressors
and conquerors to its WEST than from its east.

Mainly the Swedes.

Lots of boots through Poland over the centuries.
Some came to rule, others just passing through
(after stealing everything found in their path).

There are a few places in the world that are just
badly located - "crossroads", the place you have
to pass through to get from interesting place #1
to interesting place #2 - meaning that every
army winds up tromping across them.

Post by DVH
But Soviet invasion followed by forty years of ownership is quite enough.

Um ... they didn't so much "invade" - they came to run
out Hitler and simply never left :-)

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by Mr. B1ack
Um ... they didn't so much "invade" - they came to
run out Hitler and simply never left :-)

No. They agreed with the Germans on a line down the
middle of Poland

Reference point to the separation was the s. c. 'Curzon
Line', - here <http://is.gd/kdPmGQ> you can learn about
it. This meant that Germany got the 'core Polish' part of
then Poland while a large part of what the USSR got were
'West Ukraine' and 'West Belarus'.

and then invaded Poland on the same day
the Germans did.

The Nazis invaded Poland September 1, 1939, the Soviet
troops entered the Polish territory September 17, - it's
still not the same day.

After the war I think they expelled the
Poles from what had been the Soviet half, presumably into
the former part of Germany which was now part of Poland,
thus shifting Poland westward.

In the 1930s, Poland - mainly the Pilsudski regime - was
ultra-nationalist, and had some apprehensible issues with
the Ukrainians and Belarusians (eg. <http://is.gd/vmh7FB>,
<http://is.gd/kjtvlB>, <http://is.gd/UGxoYd>). Also do not
forget it included a large part of Lithuania at the time.
On the other hand, about third part of the modern Germany
sometime was a sort of Poland.

[Oleg Smirnov]

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More amazing stuff from Poland.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/hx688uo>
European Parliament to push for tougher action on Poland

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/zrxz3de> dailymail.co.uk

Poland says Russia poses existential threat, urges NATO presence

By REUTERS | PUBLISHED: 16:09 GMT, 15 April 2016

BRATISLAVA, April 15 (Reuters) - Poland Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski
said on Friday Russia has the potential to destroy countries and therefore
poses more of an existential threat than groups like the Islamic State.

Speaking at a security conference in Bratislava, Waszczykowski reiterated
Poland's call for the deployment of NATO troops on the alliance's eastern
flank, saying he hoped a July NATO summit in Warsaw would approve such moves.

"We have existential threats and non-existential threats. Of course the
Russian activity is kind of an existential threat because this activity may
destroy countries," he said when asked which security challenges he saw as
existential.

"And we have non-existential threats like terrorists, like massive wave of
migrants."

...

Poland enthusiastically supports the Atlanticist invasions that generate
the refugees flow. However it does not want to share responsibility for
consequences, and refuses to take the refugees in. That is because Poland
has something very much better to offer to Europe, I mean, the persistent
hysterical yelling about the imminent Russian invasion in Poland.

[Oleg Smirnov]

I call the Poles to ask their unwise government to stop the insanity.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/zrxz3de> dailymail.co.uk
Poland says Russia poses existential threat, urges NATO presence

<http://tinyurl.com/h63ypqf> dailymail.co.uk

From 'best rated' readers comments:

Poland has had an identity crisis since joining the EU, wanting a more western
economy, exporting millions of workers to the west but without ever really
fitting into the 'tolerant society' and still hanging on to its communist
past. They need to wake up and smell the coffee, they think they are the new
Germany but they are in fact the same old Poland.

Russia have done more work battling ISIS than Poland!!! That's for sure.

We have a few poles kicking around over here so why don't they go back home
and defend their border.

'ISIS isn't a threat for Europe' - What is this man smoking?!!

ISIS isn't a threat but Russia is??? ISIS are targeting European countries,
whilst the Russians are targeting ISIS. Yep, this guy is a total plank.

Ironicly Russia has done the most to combat ISIS, they're work in Syria has
pushed them back and taken alot of territory off them.

This Polish bloke wants to call all his countrymen back home to defend their
country; but funny as it is they now consider theselves mostly British
citizens.

If the EU didn't meddle in the Ukraine, Russia would certainly be an ally of
ours. Leave them in peace, stop meddling.

Has this man been watching the news? It is not the Russians that are setting
off bombs in Belguim or Paris, its this nasty lot called ISIS. The Russians
are at least doing something in the Middle East to combat ISIS, and what do
they get The EU and the US demonising them every step of the way. Me thinks
someone wants ISIS to win and there is a hidden agenda to the slow progress
into the wests inaction into getting rid of ISIS, while our citzens have to
live in fear.

Same trash coming out of Poland again as it did from their prime minister
about welfare. After more give-away now from NATO. Always rely on others
instead of helping themselves. Why was Polish helicopter doing exercises near
Russian borders anyway. Russia is no threat to anyone but ISIS.

[Oleg Smirnov]

Angry Polish bloke writes about Poland (draft abridged translation).

<http://tinyurl.com/hovoxsy> neon24.pl

.. the West in general and the European Union in particular were never engaged
in philanthropy. They always plundered and ruthlessly exploited those who were
stupid and / or the weak enough to fall into their clutches. But the mask of
altruism flatters their soul, and it's also useful in order to make a fool of
the fools.

The West's scenario is simple. First, it lures the potential victim society by
colorful images of the Western prosperity, which is supposed to be the result
of a wise socio-economic system rather than of the centuries of colonialism.
Thus obtaining a social unrest, the West installs in power its agents. In the
Ukraine, it happened through the coup, now called "revolution of dignity". ..

The insanity like this also affected other nations. .. At the beginning of the
"transformation" the herd of Polish-speaking "Europeans" was staring adoringly
to the agents of Western financiers, bleating approvingly in response to the
drivel about "free market" and "innovative economy". At the same time, Western
corporations looted and destroyed Polish real economy, the matrix of national
material existence. Destruction of economy led to the massive "export" of our
people.

After 25 years of such an "economy", Poland is a virtually deserted country.
In the provinces, almost exclusively, only elderly pensioners and others who
for some reason could not emigrate, are remaining. Large cities are filled
with the monstrous bureaucracy and their families as well as with "students."
However, more and more often you hear foreign languages on the streets.

The western colonialists and eastern "refugees" are arriving into the country.
Growing economic difficulties in the rich Western countries cause some
Westerners to come for an easy life here where they feel themselves "supermen"
and exceptional people. Here you can find natives with an inferiority complex
and teach them something.

Meanwhile, the post-1989 generation can not even think that it's possible to
live a normal life in their own country: new normal is the persistent nomadism
within the EU with a search for a better job of dishwasher or in a brothel. ..

And our national political scene is persistently dominated by scoundrels that
already for a quarter of century betray and destroy our country, increasingly
feeling themselves under impunity. ..

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/zrxz3de>
Poland says Russia poses existential threat, urges NATO presence

[DVH]

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Angry Polish bloke writes
Western corporations looted and destroyed Polish real economy, the

matrix of

Post by Oleg Smirnov
national material existence. Destruction of economy led to the
massive "export" of our people.

Funny how Polish real GDP has risen by 500% since 1989, and individual
incomes (ppp) have risen by 240%.

If that's destruction of an economy, I'd like to see a boom.

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/jppfw8y> eastwestaccord.com

Are Poland's Elites Itching for War with Russia?

PETER S RIETH | April 28, 2016

.. Poland's political class is angry that the United States did not take the
opportunity to start the third world war.

One might wonder what compels the broad, bipartisan consensus in Poland as
regards Russia? Given that further escalation would at the very least damage
economic relations which are already in tatters due to the crisis in Ukraine,
why are Poland's ruling elites playing with fire rather than working hard to
reconcile East with West? The answer is largely due to the isolation of the
ruling Solidarity elite from the common people. Unlike roughly 38 million
Poles who have to work for a living, 4 million of whom have fled West over the
past 25 years to escape poverty, the Solidarity elites who were elevated to
power in 1989 have almost never had to hold private sector jobs. They have
either been in a branch of government or in its orbit for 25 years. This
disconnection from reality blinds them to the pressing needs of their people.
Many of them also ascribe to dangerous expansionist creeds rooted in
Promethism, a political ideology seeking eastward expansion and a settling of
historical scores with Moscow. Rather than focus on economic growth for their
people and the establishment of good relations with Russia, the Solidarity
elite is determined to defeat Russia.

The United States fails to recognize that although it will presumably retain
command over any American troops eventually stationed in Poland, it will be
helpless in the face of Polish impetuosity. Polish military units might engage
Russians on international waters, just as Poland invaded Kiev in 1919 hoping
for French and British aid in the endeavor and nearly destroying their young
country in the process. The United States has achieved international power and
prominence due to a realistic application of military, economic and political
power.

The Poles, always looking for a fight with the Russians, will make American
prudence in military affairs almost impossible and risk worsening an already
tense situation. .. The United States must demonstrate a more responsible
posture and recognize the current Polish stance for what it is: a death wish
combined with an itchy trigger finger. America should not allow those itchy
fingers to influence how and when American military might is used.

...

The bunch of hateful morons that make up the major part of the current ruling
class in Poland becomes one of the most irresponsible troublemakers. Also, the
present day US is no longer an actor characterized by 'realistic application
of military, economic and political power'. The latter is the main reason of
the American decline, but until they reached a more comprehensive decline they
are still able to make various evil in the world, and in the combination with
the homicidal Poles the situation becomes more dangerous.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/hovoxsy>
And our national political scene is persistently dominated by scoundrels
that already for a quarter of century betray and destroy our country,
increasingly feeling themselves under impunity. ..

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/jppfw8y> eastwestaccord.com
Are Poland's Elites Itching for War with Russia?

No, but NATO is maintaining the lie that Russia is
itching for a war with the West.
So if NATO instruct Poland or Ukraine to tell lies about
Russian intentions, they will.

NATO makes a kind of symbiosis with the current Polish gov't.

The current Poland's ruling party isn't quote in touch with
reality, and they try to assert themselves with 'unhesitating'
alarmist statements and warmongering appeals to the US/NATO.

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/hfns8hn>

While Installing NATO Missiles, Polish Regime Crushes Dissent

Caleb Maupin | 30.05.2016

The United States and its NATO allies have recently established ballistic
missile defense systems in Poland and Romania. The United States claims that
these systems are set up for the purpose of protecting Romania and Poland.

However, Russian leaders interpret the systems as a threat to them because
these "defense systems" are strike enabling. The new ballistic missile systems
enable NATO forces in Poland and Romania to strike Russia with cruise
missiles, and then deflect any response.

Russia and China raised similar objections to the missile system being
established in the southern part of the Korean Peninsula. In Cold War terms,
these missile systems give "first strike capability" to the United States and
its NATO allies in Eastern Europe.

The installation of the missiles in Poland has been quite unpopular.
Naturally, the installation of the system in Poland has been accompanied by a
crackdown on political forces that object to it.

Mateusz Piskorski, a Pan-Slavic activist and former member of the Polish
parliament has been detained without specific charges. Authorities allege,
without citing anything specific, that he has been engaged in espionage.

To anyone trained in criminology or the history of espionage, it should be
highly obvious that Piskorski has not engaged in any illegal activity.
Piskorski is a well-known political activist. He leads a small political party
and runs a Pan-Slavic publishing house. As a well-known public figure,
Piskorski is the last person that any intelligence agency would cooperate
with. Piskorski has been detained because he is an outspoken critic of NATO
and the European Union, and is loudly voicing his opposition to Polish
cooperation with hostility to Russia.

Piskorski is not the only one who has been targeted by the pro-NATO government
in Poland. On April 1st, the right-wing political party that runs the country
passed a sweeping anti-Communist law. The law outlaws displays honoring
adherents of the "Anti-Polish Communist Ideology." The law specifically lists
a number of Polish historical figures who cannot legally be honored. Among
them are not only leaders of the post-war socialist regime, but also the
Dabrowski Brigade of Polish volunteers who fought fascism in Spain, and any
members of the Social Democratic Party of Poland and Lithuania, once led by
Rosa Luxemburg. A number of anti-Nazi resistance groups, led by Communists,
that operated during the Second World War are also outlawed.

On March 31st, four leaders of the Communist Party were convicted of
"promoting totalitarianism." Their crime was operating a website and printing
a leftist newspaper. They were sentenced to nine months in prison with hard
labor <http://migre.me/tYUdo>.

The "Law and Justice Party" which leads Poland is leading the crackdown on
Communists, leftists, and Pan-Slavists while at the same time allowing
Neo-Nazis and other fascists to operate openly. While Communists and
Pan-Slavists are forced into the shadows, 400 Neo-Nazis paraded through the
streets on April 13th in a public rally.

Imagine if Vladimir Putin were to crackdown on his pro-liberal, western
opponents in such a way? In Putin's Russia, the "Union of Right Forces" and
other parties that embrace western ideologies operate openly. Groups promoting
free market capitalism, falsifying Russian history and accusing great
historical figures of genocide, openly operate all across Russian soil, and
often receive western funding as they do so.

The "human rights" allegations against Russia pale in comparison to what is
being openly done by the pro-NATO polish regime, as the missile systems are
being erected, paving the way to World War Three.

The hypocrisy of western media and the "human rights" NGO noise machine should
be very obvious.

Caleb Maupin is a political analyst and activist based in New York. He studied
political science at Baldwin-Wallace College and was inspired and involved in
the Occupy Wall Street movement, especially for the online magazine "New
Eastern Outlook".

...

Pan Piskorski is a person whose occupation, besides political activism, was,
so far, mostly related to teaching (humanitarian sciences) in Polish
universities and colleges, also to radio-journalism and musical creativity, -
by the nature of his activities it's very unlikely that he could have access
to any information that might be handed over as a spy product.

His the main guilt is that he expressed 'pro-Russian' views. Actually, he is
more a 'traditionalist' rather than pro-Russian. His pan-Slavism is related
to interest to the pre-Christian / pagan Polish / Slavic roots.

The current Polish gov't is also 'traditionalist', but it's traditionalist
in another sense, their trend is linked to the pre-WW2 nationalism in Poland
(those "400 Neo-Nazis" above represent the radical form of it).

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/zdfaoy2> independent.co.uk

Barack Obama attacks Polish democracy in a speech... Polish TV changes speech

Michael Birnbaum

Amid fears of a rollback of Poland's democratic freedoms, President Obama had
a harsh message of concern during a trip here for a NATO summit.

But viewers of Poland's main evening news program saw exactly the opposite. ..

Obama's tough message Friday, standing alongside Polish President Andrzej
Duda, was that he "expressed to President Duda our concerns over certain
actions and the impasse around the Poland's Constitutional Tribunal." ..

But viewers of Telewizja Polska, the main public broadcaster, saw a very
different suggestion on the evening news.

".. Obama praised Polish efforts at democracy," the reporter said. ..

More than 100 journalists have been dismissed or have resigned from Poland's
public broadcaster this year, a measure of the major changes underway there.
Some journalists say that anyone perceived as critical of the Law and Justice
party is now under threat. ..

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/hfns8hn>
While Installing NATO Missiles, Polish Regime Crushes Dissent

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/hptu69v> kresy.pl
Agencja Bloomberg, której nie mozna posadzic o proputinowskie sympatie,
podaje, ze dzieki slabemu rublowi i wielkim urodzajom Rosja zdolala zarobic na
rolnictwie wiecej niz na sprzedazy broni i ropy naftowej. Autorzy analizy
pisza, ze kontrsankcje, które zostaly wprowadzone dla ograniczenia importu
zywnosci, a takze bezprecedensowe subsydia spowodowaly, ze produkcja rolna w
Rosji stala sie lepszym biznesem niz wydobycie ropy naftowej. ..

...

Agencja Bloomberg has published a pretty stupid writing, but one thing is
true, the 'sanctions' punish Europe and the East Europe, including the hapless
Polish apple producers, much more than Russia.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/gnag9qp>
The Ghosts of Smolensk

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/z8mhcw6> kresy.pl

Korwin-Mikke: rzad PiS, wyslugujac sie USA, pomaga w doprowadzeniu do III
wojny swiatowej [+VIDEO]
"Nie chce III wojny swiatowej, dlatego ostrzegam przed polityka, w której
obecny rzad PiS-u, wyslugujac sie Amerykanom, bedzie pomagal w doprowadzeniu
do tej wojny. W USA sa kregi zwiazane z Hilaria Clintonowa, które chca
Amerykanów w te wojne wciagnac. Ta nieustanna polska propaganda antyrosyjska
znakomicie pomaga tym kregom w Ameryce namówic innych Amerykanów do wojny"

...

Listen to the sane guy.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/hptu69v>
Agencja Bloomberg, której nie mozna posadzic o
proputinowskie sympatie, podaje, ze dzieki slabemu
rublowi i wielkim urodzajom Rosja zdolala zarobic na
rolnictwie wiecej niz na sprzedazy broni i ropy naftowej.

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/hr4y6vt> wiadomosci.wp.pl

.. bo jak wiadomo, wraz z potencjalnym zblizeniem amerykansko-rosyjskim i
europejsko-rosyjskim, glos Warszawy jest mniej slyszalny w Waszyngtonie,
Brukseli i innych stolicach europejskich.

...

The less slyszalny the voice is the better, because the voice of Warsaw is a
voice of insanity. Poland is, politically, a persistent sick vanity and sore
ego, the nation is deceived, delusional and gripped by unhealthy obsessions.
Because of all this, any active Poland's role in the world affairs will just
make the world less safe and sane.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/hptu69v>
Agencja Bloomberg, której nie mozna posadzic o proputinowskie sympatie,
podaje, ze dzieki slabemu rublowi i wielkim urodzajom Rosja zdolala zarobic
na rolnictwie wiecej niz na sprzedazy broni i ropy naftowej.

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/jeuuwqs> parlamentnilisty.cz

Problém Severoatlantické aliance spocívá v tom, ze neví kudy kam. Pod
direktivou USA uz zklamala v Afghánistánu nebo Iráku a nynejsí summit jen ono
tápání prohloubil. Na jedné strane se zdá, ze jediným smyslem existence NATO
je obrana pred "ruskou agresí", ale uz tretí rok cekáme, az Rusko obsadí
alespon kousek toho Pobaltí nebo Svédska - a porád nic. A to ani nemluvím o
tech, co porád vyhlízejí ruské tanky v Praze. Jako by se v Moskve rozhodli, ze
nás nastvou jeste víc! Mozná bychom této ruské "destruktivní" politice mohli
zacít ríkat "agresivní pasivita". Obcas k nejakým hranicím, stejne jako my,
vyslou nejaké letadlo, ale jinak se vyprovokovávat nenechávají. Jako v tom
starém vtipu o sado-maso: "Zbicuj me!" - "Ani náhodou!"

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/hr4y6vt> wiadomosci.wp.pl
.. bo jak wiadomo, wraz z potencjalnym zblizeniem amerykansko-rosyjskim i
europejsko-rosyjskim, glos Warszawy jest mniej slyszalny w Waszyngtonie,
Brukseli i innych stolicach europejskich.
...
The less slyszalny the voice is the better, because the voice of Warsaw is a
voice of insanity. Poland is, politically, a persistent sick vanity and sore
ego, the nation is deceived, delusional and gripped by unhealthy obsessions.
Because of all this, any active Poland's role in the world affairs will just
make the world less safe and sane.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/hptu69v>
Agencja Bloomberg, której nie mozna posadzic o proputinowskie sympatie,
podaje, ze dzieki slabemu rublowi i wielkim urodzajom Rosja zdolala zarobic
na rolnictwie wiecej niz na sprzedazy broni i ropy naftowej.

[Oleg Smirnov]

Polish media <http://tinyurl.com/zlbfng5> biznes.onet.pl 2016-03-14

5.5 million of the Poles are liveing without electricity, sanitation or in
overcrowded conditions.

Poland is one of the last places in Europe when it comes to housing policies.
About 5.5 million people, or 14% of the population are living in substandard
conditions in Poland - according to the latest report of 'Foundation Habitat
For Humanity' (OS: The percentage seems to be calculated on the basis of the
total number of Poland's citizens, not including emigration).

"In Poland, we have 360 separate apartments per 1000 inhabitants, while the
European average is 100 more. In Germany for example it's about 500 per 1000
(OS: In Spain 565, in the Netherlands, Britain and Russia - about 440). One
can imagine effect of such an overpopulation against the living space. It is
estimated that a half of people of reproductive age, between 25 to 30 years
old, share their apartment with siblings, parents or others" says Malgorzata
Salamon, director of the Foundation for Habitat for Humanity.

...

She hints the reproductive Poles must have been accustomed to group sex etc.

Poland is a full member of the EU since 2004, - in May this year it will be
12th anniversary. And how has it benefited the Poles? Despite the 'success
story' image in the Atlanticist mass media Polish indicators of economy and
living standards are either similar or worse than the Russian ones. This is
despite the fact that Poland is 'the largest recipient' of the EU subsidies.

Bloomberg 2015-12-16 <http://archive.is/MRQlS>
"For 2014-2020, it stands to receive <http://is.gd/e3120r> almost 86
billion euros in structural and technical assistance, more than a quarter
of the total allocated for the purpose. That doesn't include allocations
under the Common Agricultural Policy - another 28.5 billion euros."

In the late Soviet age, in the 1980s, Poland was considered more developed
than the USSR, the Soviet people were glad to obtain furniture and clothing
etc of Polish production. Today it's nothing like this. The main product
Poland can offer to Russian market is apples <http://sptnkne.ws/FRe> (which
are of pretty poor quality in comparison to apples of other producers).

The main effect of the Poland's EU membership is that the dickheads like
Mr. Sikorski and Mr. Tusk are now included into the EU-cracy club. The main
effect to ordinary Poles is the opportunity to emigrate from their hapless
fatherland. Today about 2.5 millions of the Poles (about one in ten of the
whole number of the Polish employable) are living outside Poland, mostly in
Britain and Germany <http://archive.is/qia5a>, where they are subjected to
humiliation and racist attacks <http://archive.is/VIQLs> from aboriginals.

Likely, the modest gains in the economic and social management is the main
reason why the post-Soviet Polish establishment tries its best to switch
attention of the Polish plebs from real issues to imaginary Russian threat.
Emulation of the anti-Russia hysteria by Polish officials is also a soft
of service they sell to their American masters. Atlanticism needs 'proof'
and live illustration of alleged Russian threat, and the Polish political
whores can play such a role well.

...

By the way, situation with labor emigration is even more 'disastrous' in
the Baltic states - about quarter (or may be a third) of their populations
are now more or less persistently living abroad.

It's amusing to note, - when it comes to emigration from Russia (most part
of which is caused by labor / economic reasons as well), the Atlanticist
mass media usually raise the false narrative 'Russia's best and brightest
run away from Putin' with a great enthusiasm, but nobody finds interesting
the much huge economic migration from East Europe.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/hc7lye5> kresy.pl 2016-03-26
"We will fall in very first battle. Our armed forces are weak while the
massive Russian army would take three days to reach Vistula. But we can't
give our young people to perdition. All the Poles capable of fighting
should be evacuated from the country into some another NATO country,
where we will be able to form new Polish army, which will be used later
to fight on the Poland's territory. The Russians will be ruthless. They
will mercilessly pacify everything. We must have a clear evacuation plan.
But nobody cares! No, I'm not suggesting to give up. We must fight. But
we need to think over in advance who will be playing with whom." etc
The drivel like this is a quite typical attribute of the Polish officials.

[Oleg Smirnov]

<http://tinyurl.com/zkafdf2> <http://tinyurl.com/zpwwx4e>

I see readers' comments there are skeptical about Polish propaganda falsehood.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Polish media <http://tinyurl.com/zlbfng5> biznes.onet.pl 2016-03-14
5.5 million of the Poles are liveing without electricity, sanitation or in
overcrowded conditions.

[Oleg Smirnov]

The obsession of the Polish media with Putin-Kremlin-Moscow is maintained
deliberately. The Poles are not alone in this obsession, true Western media
are also morbidly obsessed but in the Polish case this psychosis is somewhat
more sallow. I explained nature of your induced madness upstream the thread,
it brings nothing good to ordinary Poles.

<http://sophico21.blogspot.ch/2016/03/ach-ten-putin.html>

.. Nawet polska lewica jest skazona tym putinowskim bakcylem. Na portalu
dziennika Trybuna -"trybuna.eu", anonsowanym, jako lewicowy, jeden z ostatnich
felietonów tytulem bije po oczach: "Widacki o PiS: scenariusz Putina"! Prof.
Jan Widacki, staly felietonista Trybuny, odnoszac sie do wydarzen zwiazanych z
Trybunalem Konstytucyjnym, stwierdza: "Nie spodziewam sie niczego dobrego. (.)
Gdybym myslal w kategoriach teorii spiskowych, to bym myslal, ze PiS realizuje
scenariusz Wladimira Putina".

Cokolwiek w Polsce sie zdarzy waznego, natychmiast politycy, a zwlaszcza
propagandowe media, spekuluja na ile wydarzenie zdenerwowalo prezydenta Rosji,
lub na ile sprzyja jego nie do konca znanym planom. "Kreml ostro zareagowal",
"Mocne slowa Rosji", "Rosyjskie media marginesowo potraktowaly. "Polska
nadepnela Rosji na odcisk", "Moskwa odpowiedziala na wezwanie", "Czy w Polsce
dziala partia Putina?", "Destabilizacja w Polsce nikogo tak nie cieszy, jak
Rosjan", "Dlaczego PiS podpala kraj, gdy Putin podpala Europe", i tak w kólko.
Kilka lat temu tez pytano: "Polska Tuska, jak Rosja Putina?"

Dziennikarze, politycy i cale tabuny przeróznych specjalistów, komentatorów,
politologów i ekspertów - "putinologów" uwaza, ze doskonale wiedza o czym
mysli Putin, jakie ma plany, co zamierza zrobic, chociaz czlowieka nigdy w
zyciu na oczy nie widzieli, poza migawkami w telewizji i na zdjeciach, nigdy
nie zamienili z nim ani slowa, nawet nie zadali sobie trudu wysluchania czy
przeczytania w calosci - co sam Putin ma do powiedzenia. A jesli nawet
wysluchali i przeczytali, to i tak uwazaja, ze lepiej wiedza, co Putin mial na
mysli, niz on sam.

Nikt sie wlasciwie nie zastanawia nad bezsensem tych wszystkich odniesien do
prezydenta Rosji. ..

Gdyby Polsce zabrano Putina, zabrano by os, wokól której kreci sie jej cale
zycie polityczne. Zostala by wielka czarna dziura, polityczna pustka bez
jakiegokolwiek odniesienia. ..

[Fortunski]

Antoni Rybczyński

„NATO marzy o wojnie z Rosją”

ROSJA–NATO \ Moskwa o szczycie w Warszawie

Szczyt Sojuszu Północnoatlantyckiego w Warszawie to poraÅŒka polityki rosyjskiej. I nie do końca politycy i eksperci w Moskwie wiedzą, jak zareagować na pokaz jedności NATO oraz wzmocnienie: wschodniej flanki w sferze militarnej oraz państw, takich jak Polska, w sferze politycznej. Dlatego, obok straszenia agresją Zachodu i udawania niewiniątka przez Rosję, mamy teÅŒ bagatelizowanie decyzji szczytu

Generalnie reakcje Rosji nie zaskakują. Było jasne, ÅŒe Moskwa uzna decyzje NATO niemalÅŒe za akt wypowiedzenia wojny – w sferze propagandowej. Realnie zaś nie moÅŒe pozwolić sobie na zupełne zerwanie kontaktów z duÅŒo potęŌniejszym Sojuszem. Jeszcze nie moÅŒe.

Gołąbki w Moskwie...
Pierwsza oficjalna reakcja państwa rosyjskiego pojawiła się dzień po zakończeniu szczytu w Polsce. I jest pełna nowomowy tak charakterystycznej dla „pokojowej” polityki ZSRS. „Wbrew obiektywnym interesom podtrzymania pokoju i stabilności w Europie i konieczności zespolenia potencjałów wszystkich odpowiedzialnych graczy międzynarodowych w przeciwdziałaniu wyzwaniom realnym, a nie wymyślonym, Sojusz koncentruje swe wysiłki na »powstrzymywaniu« nieistniejącego »zagroÅŒenia ze Wschodu«” – głosi oświadczenie opublikowane na stronie internetowej rosyjskiego MSZ. Moskwa zapowiedziała, ÅŒe na posiedzeniu Rady Rosja–NATO 13 lipca ma nadzieję dostać „szczegółowe wyjaśnienia przedstawicieli Sojuszu o natowskich wzmocnieniach na wszystkich »azymutach«”. Są teÅŒ oczywiście pouczenia i wskazywanie NATO, czym powinno się zająć. Na pewno nie „demonizowaną” Rosją. „Uderzająca nierównowaga w umacnianiu flank NATO na tle bezprecedensowej skali niebezpieczeństwa, jakie pochodzi z kierunku południowego, świadczy o coraz bardziej oczywistym oderwaniu się bloku od aktualnych problemów dotyczących obrony i zapewnienia bezpieczeństwa obywateli państw członkowskich NATO” – napisano w komunikacie.

http://www.gazetapolska.pl/34811-nato-marzy-o-wojnie-z-rosja

[Oleg Smirnov]

Antoni Rybczynski
"NATO marzy o wojnie z Rosja"
ROSJA-NATO \ Moskwa o szczycie w Warszawie
http://www.gazetapolska.pl/34811-nato-marzy-o-wojnie-z-rosja

That's the Polish propaganda which eagerly looks for what Russian - mostly
second tier - figures say about Poland, in blogs, social networks etc, and
misrepresents it to naive Polish audience as 'rage' and 'threats'. In fact,
the hysteria is driven by the current ruling clique in Poland, which yells
shamelessly that Russia is going to invade them. It's natural that some in
Russia express irritation of this Polish fidgetiness. This indecent Polish
behavior is a form of perverted attention seeking. If the Polish political
stinkers did not claim persistently about upcoming attack from Russia then
there would be no reason to pay much attention to Poland.

[Fortunski]

"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:nmiel0$led$***@os.motzarella.org...

That's the Polish propaganda which eagerly looks for what Russian - mostly
second tier - figures say about Poland, in blogs, social networks etc, and
misrepresents it to naive Polish audience as 'rage' and 'threats'. In fact,
the hysteria is driven by the current ruling clique in Poland, which yells
shamelessly that Russia is going to invade them. It's natural that some in
Russia express irritation of this Polish fidgetiness. This indecent Polish
behavior is a form of perverted attention seeking. If the Polish political
stinkers did not claim persistently about upcoming attack from Russia then
there would be no reason to pay much attention to Poland.

You don't understand what I said,
so I’ll say it again;
You better stay with your stinking Russian shit
and don't come here any more.

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by Fortunski

Post by Oleg Smirnov
That's the Polish propaganda which eagerly looks for what Russian - mostly
second tier - figures say about Poland, in blogs, social networks etc, and
misrepresents it to naive Polish audience as 'rage' and 'threats'. In fact,
the hysteria is driven by the current ruling clique in Poland, which yells
shamelessly that Russia is going to invade them. It's natural that some in
Russia express irritation of this Polish fidgetiness. This indecent Polish
behavior is a form of perverted attention seeking. If the Polish political
stinkers did not claim persistently about upcoming attack from Russia then
there would be no reason to pay much attention to Poland.

You don't understand what I said,
so I'll say it again;
You better stay with your stinking Russian shit
and don't come here any more.

Instead of trying to say something 'weighty' and stupid, you
should demand from your clownish shitty government to stop promote
the falsehood that Russia allegedly wants to invade Poland.

[DVH]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Fortunski

Post by Oleg Smirnov
That's the Polish propaganda which eagerly looks for what Russian - mostly
second tier - figures say about Poland, in blogs, social networks etc, and
misrepresents it to naive Polish audience as 'rage' and 'threats'. In fact,
the hysteria is driven by the current ruling clique in Poland, which yells
shamelessly that Russia is going to invade them. It's natural that some in
Russia express irritation of this Polish fidgetiness. This indecent Polish
behavior is a form of perverted attention seeking. If the Polish political
stinkers did not claim persistently about upcoming attack from Russia then
there would be no reason to pay much attention to Poland.

You don't understand what I said,
so I'll say it again;
You better stay with your stinking Russian shit
and don't come here any more.

Instead of trying to say something 'weighty' and stupid, you
should demand from your clownish shitty government to stop promote
the falsehood that Russia allegedly wants to invade Poland.

I can personally reassure everyone that Russia has only invaded Poland
nine times in the past. Poles can rest easy.

1632 invasion by Russia

1654 invasion by Russia

1733 invasion by Russia

1767 invasion by Russia

1792 invasion by Russia

1795 partition by Russia, Prussia and Austria

1831 invasion by Russia

1920 invasion by Russia

1939 invasion by Russia

[DVH]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Fortunski

Post by Oleg Smirnov
That's the Polish propaganda which eagerly looks for what Russian - mostly
second tier - figures say about Poland, in blogs, social networks etc, and
misrepresents it to naive Polish audience as 'rage' and 'threats'. In fact,
the hysteria is driven by the current ruling clique in Poland, which yells
shamelessly that Russia is going to invade them. It's natural that some in
Russia express irritation of this Polish fidgetiness. This indecent Polish
behavior is a form of perverted attention seeking. If the Polish political
stinkers did not claim persistently about upcoming attack from Russia then
there would be no reason to pay much attention to Poland.

You don't understand what I said,
so I'll say it again;
You better stay with your stinking Russian shit
and don't come here any more.

Instead of trying to say something 'weighty' and stupid, you
should demand from your clownish shitty government to stop promote
the falsehood that Russia allegedly wants to invade Poland.

I can personally reassure everyone that Russia has only invaded Poland
nine times in the past. Poles can rest easy.

1632 invasion by Russia

1654 invasion by Russia

1733 invasion by Russia

1767 invasion by Russia

1792 invasion by Russia

1795 partition by Russia, Prussia and Austria

1831 invasion by Russia

1920 invasion by Russia

1939 invasion by Russia

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Instead of trying to say something 'weighty' and stupid,
you should demand from your clownish shitty government
to stop promote the falsehood that Russia allegedly
wants to invade Poland.

I can personally reassure everyone that Russia has only
invaded Poland nine times in the past. Poles can rest
easy.

<http://migre.me/ujpFf>, <http://migre.me/ujpGD>

Poland, as a carrion eater, took Russian lands after
the Mongolian invasion, and it required a few centures
to take [a part of] them back from Poland.

[DVH]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Instead of trying to say something 'weighty' and stupid,
you should demand from your clownish shitty government
to stop promote the falsehood that Russia allegedly
wants to invade Poland.

I can personally reassure everyone that Russia has only
invaded Poland nine times in the past. Poles can rest
easy.

<http://migre.me/ujpFf>, <http://migre.me/ujpGD>
Poland, as a carrion eater, took Russian lands after
the Mongolian invasion, and it required a few centures
to take [a part of] them back from Poland.

Now all you have to do is steal the rest.

I sense another invasion...

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Instead of trying to say something 'weighty' and
stupid, you should demand from your clownish shitty
government to stop promote the falsehood that Russia
allegedly wants to invade Poland.

I can personally reassure everyone that Russia has only
invaded Poland nine times in the past. Poles can rest
easy.

<http://migre.me/ujpFf>, <http://migre.me/ujpGD>
Poland, as a carrion eater, took Russian lands after
the Mongolian invasion, and it required a few centures
to take [a part of] them back from Poland.

Now all you have to do is steal the rest.
I sense another invasion...

The Poles (in mass quantities) is the last thing the
Russians would like to see within Russia, so there is
no reason to invade Poland.

Crimea came to Russia because the Crimeans wanted so.
The issues in East Ukraine is of similar nature. The
Poles are not welcome in Russia, so they should stop
their non-natural hysteria, and the malicious British
should stop to incite the guileless Poles to insanity.

[DVH]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Instead of trying to say something 'weighty' and
stupid, you should demand from your clownish shitty
government to stop promote the falsehood that Russia
allegedly wants to invade Poland.

I can personally reassure everyone that Russia has only
invaded Poland nine times in the past. Poles can rest
easy.

<http://migre.me/ujpFf>, <http://migre.me/ujpGD>
Poland, as a carrion eater, took Russian lands after
the Mongolian invasion, and it required a few centures
to take [a part of] them back from Poland.

Now all you have to do is steal the rest.
I sense another invasion...

The Poles (in mass quantities) is the last thing the
Russians would like to see within Russia

Just annex the country, like you've done numerous times before. That way
the Russians will be in their failing state, and the Poles will be in
Poland, and everybody will be happy.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
, so there is
no reason to invade Poland.
Crimea came to Russia because the Crimeans wanted so.
The issues in East Ukraine is of similar nature. The Poles are not
welcome in Russia, so they should stop their non-natural hysteria, and
the malicious British should stop to incite the guileless Poles to
insanity.

That's a lot of shoulds. But then you might not know what "should" means.

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by DVH
I can personally reassure everyone that Russia has
only invaded Poland nine times in the past. Poles can
rest easy.

<http://migre.me/ujpFf>, <http://migre.me/ujpGD>
Poland, as a carrion eater, took Russian lands after
the Mongolian invasion, and it required a few centures
to take [a part of] them back from Poland.

Now all you have to do is steal the rest.
I sense another invasion...

The Poles (in mass quantities) is the last thing the
Russians would like to see within Russia

Just annex the country, like you've done numerous times
before. That way the Russians will be in their failing
state, and the Poles will be in Poland, and everybody
will be happy.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
, so there is
no reason to invade Poland.
Crimea came to Russia because the Crimeans wanted so.
The issues in East Ukraine is of similar nature. The
Poles are not welcome in Russia, so they should stop
their non-natural hysteria, and the malicious British
should stop to incite the guileless Poles to insanity.

That's a lot of shoulds. But then you might not know what
"should" means.

We are not in position to 'annex' any land while ignoring
the will of the local people. The British empire collapsed,
so stop wanking. Russia is not an empire.

[u2]

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Russia is not an empire.

ok so give us back the Polish land and pay for the millions Poles
murdered by soviets:)
--
General Skalski o zydach w UB :

"Rozanski, Zyd, kanalia najgorszego gatunku, razem z Brystigerowa,
Fejginami, to wszystko (...) nie byli ludzie."

prof. PAN Krzysztof Jasiewicz o zydach :

"Zydow gubi brak umiaru we wszystkim i przekonanie, ze sa narodem
wybranym. Czuja sie oni upowaznieni do interpretowania wszystkiego,
takze doktryny katolickiej. Cokolwiek bysmy zrobili, i tak bedzie
poddane ich krytyce - za malo, ze zle, ze zbyt malo ofiarnie. W moim
najglebszym przekonaniu szkoda czasu na dialog z Zydami, bo on do
niczego nie prowadzi... Ludzi, ktorzy uzywają slow 'antysemita',
'antysemicki', nalezy traktowac jak ludzi niegodnych debaty, ktorzy
usiluja niszczyc innych, gdy brakuje argumentow merytorycznych. To oni
tworza mowe nienawisci".

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by u2

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Russia is not an empire.

ok so give us back the Polish land

Take the west-Ukraine, it's all for you.

Post by u2
and pay for the
millions Poles murdered by soviets:)

Why not billions?

[u2]

Post by Oleg Smirnov
ake the west-Ukraine, it's all for you.

I mean Krolewiec fool:)
--
General Skalski o zydach w UB :

"Rozanski, Zyd, kanalia najgorszego gatunku, razem z Brystigerowa,
Fejginami, to wszystko (...) nie byli ludzie."

prof. PAN Krzysztof Jasiewicz o zydach :

"Zydow gubi brak umiaru we wszystkim i przekonanie, ze sa narodem
wybranym. Czuja sie oni upowaznieni do interpretowania wszystkiego,
takze doktryny katolickiej. Cokolwiek bysmy zrobili, i tak bedzie
poddane ich krytyce - za malo, ze zle, ze zbyt malo ofiarnie. W moim
najglebszym przekonaniu szkoda czasu na dialog z Zydami, bo on do
niczego nie prowadzi... Ludzi, ktorzy uzywają slow 'antysemita',
'antysemicki', nalezy traktowac jak ludzi niegodnych debaty, ktorzy
usiluja niszczyc innych, gdy brakuje argumentow merytorycznych. To oni
tworza mowe nienawisci".

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by u2

take the west-Ukraine, it's all for you.

I mean Krolewiec fool:)

Krolewiec isn't yours.

Those Germans converted the Slavs to slaves.

[u2]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by u2

take the west-Ukraine, it's all for you.

I mean Krolewiec fool:)

Krolewiec isn't yours.
Those Germans converted the Slavs to slaves.

so you are a slave, we can free you slaves, we have thousands of
Ukrainians in the vicinity of Wegorzewo ready to free you slaves in
Krolewiec:)
--
General Skalski o zydach w UB :

"Rozanski, Zyd, kanalia najgorszego gatunku, razem z Brystigerowa,
Fejginami, to wszystko (...) nie byli ludzie."

prof. PAN Krzysztof Jasiewicz o zydach :

"Zydow gubi brak umiaru we wszystkim i przekonanie, ze sa narodem
wybranym. Czuja sie oni upowaznieni do interpretowania wszystkiego,
takze doktryny katolickiej. Cokolwiek bysmy zrobili, i tak bedzie
poddane ich krytyce - za malo, ze zle, ze zbyt malo ofiarnie. W moim
najglebszym przekonaniu szkoda czasu na dialog z Zydami, bo on do
niczego nie prowadzi... Ludzi, ktorzy uzywają slow 'antysemita',
'antysemicki', nalezy traktowac jak ludzi niegodnych debaty, ktorzy
usiluja niszczyc innych, gdy brakuje argumentow merytorycznych. To oni
tworza mowe nienawisci".

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by u2

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by u2

take the west-Ukraine, it's all for you.

I mean Krolewiec fool:)

Krolewiec isn't yours.
Those Germans converted the Slavs to slaves.

so you are a slave, we can free you slaves, we have
thousands of Ukrainians in the vicinity of Wegorzewo
ready to free you slaves in Krolewiec:)

The Poles are zombified sheep.
Try to free yourselves first.
<https://www.gismeteo.ru/city/daily/20178/>

[u2]

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The Poles are zombified sheep.
Try to free yourselves first.

I like fighting zombies, soviet zombies welcome to Suwalki:)
--
General Skalski o zydach w UB :

"Rozanski, Zyd, kanalia najgorszego gatunku, razem z Brystigerowa,
Fejginami, to wszystko (...) nie byli ludzie."

prof. PAN Krzysztof Jasiewicz o zydach :

"Zydow gubi brak umiaru we wszystkim i przekonanie, ze sa narodem
wybranym. Czuja sie oni upowaznieni do interpretowania wszystkiego,
takze doktryny katolickiej. Cokolwiek bysmy zrobili, i tak bedzie
poddane ich krytyce - za malo, ze zle, ze zbyt malo ofiarnie. W moim
najglebszym przekonaniu szkoda czasu na dialog z Zydami, bo on do
niczego nie prowadzi... Ludzi, ktorzy uzywają slow 'antysemita',
'antysemicki', nalezy traktowac jak ludzi niegodnych debaty, ktorzy
usiluja niszczyc innych, gdy brakuje argumentow merytorycznych. To oni
tworza mowe nienawisci".

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by u2

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The Poles are zombified sheep.
Try to free yourselves first.

I like fighting zombies, soviet zombies welcome to Suwalki:)

[u2]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by u2

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The Poles are zombified sheep.
Try to free yourselves first.

I like fighting zombies, soviet zombies welcome to Suwalki:)

http://youtu.be/VGV2zSKkZj8

:)
--
General Skalski o zydach w UB :

"Rozanski, Zyd, kanalia najgorszego gatunku, razem z Brystigerowa,
Fejginami, to wszystko (...) nie byli ludzie."

prof. PAN Krzysztof Jasiewicz o zydach :

"Zydow gubi brak umiaru we wszystkim i przekonanie, ze sa narodem
wybranym. Czuja sie oni upowaznieni do interpretowania wszystkiego,
takze doktryny katolickiej. Cokolwiek bysmy zrobili, i tak bedzie
poddane ich krytyce - za malo, ze zle, ze zbyt malo ofiarnie. W moim
najglebszym przekonaniu szkoda czasu na dialog z Zydami, bo on do
niczego nie prowadzi... Ludzi, ktorzy uzywają slow 'antysemita',
'antysemicki', nalezy traktowac jak ludzi niegodnych debaty, ktorzy
usiluja niszczyc innych, gdy brakuje argumentow merytorycznych. To oni
tworza mowe nienawisci".

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by u2

Post by Oleg Smirnov
http://youtu.be/VGV2zSKkZj8

http://youtu.be/CKBRc8zNQ30
:)

[u2]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by u2

Post by Oleg Smirnov
http://youtu.be/VGV2zSKkZj8

http://youtu.be/CKBRc8zNQ30
:)

http://youtu.be/FBZXXbrnh84

:)
--
General Skalski o zydach w UB :

"Rozanski, Zyd, kanalia najgorszego gatunku, razem z Brystigerowa,
Fejginami, to wszystko (...) nie byli ludzie."

prof. PAN Krzysztof Jasiewicz o zydach :

"Zydow gubi brak umiaru we wszystkim i przekonanie, ze sa narodem
wybranym. Czuja sie oni upowaznieni do interpretowania wszystkiego,
takze doktryny katolickiej. Cokolwiek bysmy zrobili, i tak bedzie
poddane ich krytyce - za malo, ze zle, ze zbyt malo ofiarnie. W moim
najglebszym przekonaniu szkoda czasu na dialog z Zydami, bo on do
niczego nie prowadzi... Ludzi, ktorzy uzywają slow 'antysemita',
'antysemicki', nalezy traktowac jak ludzi niegodnych debaty, ktorzy
usiluja niszczyc innych, gdy brakuje argumentow merytorycznych. To oni
tworza mowe nienawisci".

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by u2

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by u2

Post by Oleg Smirnov
http://youtu.be/VGV2zSKkZj8

http://youtu.be/CKBRc8zNQ30
:)

http://youtu.be/FBZXXbrnh84

http://youtu.be/qzpPy9hJYA8

Post by u2
:)

[u2]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by u2

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by u2

Post by Oleg Smirnov
http://youtu.be/VGV2zSKkZj8

http://youtu.be/CKBRc8zNQ30
:)

http://youtu.be/FBZXXbrnh84

http://youtu.be/qzpPy9hJYA8

http://youtu.be/6Bkgcqh0n34

Post by u2
:)

:)
--
General Skalski o zydach w UB :

"Rozanski, Zyd, kanalia najgorszego gatunku, razem z Brystigerowa,
Fejginami, to wszystko (...) nie byli ludzie."

prof. PAN Krzysztof Jasiewicz o zydach :

"Zydow gubi brak umiaru we wszystkim i przekonanie, ze sa narodem
wybranym. Czuja sie oni upowaznieni do interpretowania wszystkiego,
takze doktryny katolickiej. Cokolwiek bysmy zrobili, i tak bedzie
poddane ich krytyce - za malo, ze zle, ze zbyt malo ofiarnie. W moim
najglebszym przekonaniu szkoda czasu na dialog z Zydami, bo on do
niczego nie prowadzi... Ludzi, ktorzy uzywają slow 'antysemita',
'antysemicki', nalezy traktowac jak ludzi niegodnych debaty, ktorzy
usiluja niszczyc innych, gdy brakuje argumentow merytorycznych. To oni
tworza mowe nienawisci".

[Piotr]

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 2:11:57 PM UTC-2:30, DVH wrote:

Don't feed neoNazi troll "Oleg Smirnov", That troll defended Hitler by claiming that the III Reich was a victim of unprovoked aggression, and propmoted his neoNazi sources that the German was subject to aggression. among others, by Poland, US, and of course, the Jews:

"after the Jews declared war on Germany in March, 1933."
from a neoNazi propaganda promoted on scp by "Oleg Smirnov" as "an interesting reading"

[u2]

Post by Piotr
"after the Jews declared war on Germany in March, 1933."
from a neoNazi propaganda promoted on scp by "Oleg Smirnov" as "an interesting reading"

don`t trust Piotr, a very decent and very modest ocean-researcher from
New Fumfland CA

he is a Pole eater:)
--
General Skalski o zydach w UB :

"Rozanski, Zyd, kanalia najgorszego gatunku, razem z Brystigerowa,
Fejginami, to wszystko (...) nie byli ludzie."

prof. PAN Krzysztof Jasiewicz o zydach :

"Zydow gubi brak umiaru we wszystkim i przekonanie, ze sa narodem
wybranym. Czuja sie oni upowaznieni do interpretowania wszystkiego,
takze doktryny katolickiej. Cokolwiek bysmy zrobili, i tak bedzie
poddane ich krytyce - za malo, ze zle, ze zbyt malo ofiarnie. W moim
najglebszym przekonaniu szkoda czasu na dialog z Zydami, bo on do
niczego nie prowadzi... Ludzi, ktorzy uzywają slow 'antysemita',
'antysemicki', nalezy traktowac jak ludzi niegodnych debaty, ktorzy
usiluja niszczyc innych, gdy brakuje argumentow merytorycznych. To oni
tworza mowe nienawisci".

[Incubus]

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Instead of trying to say something 'weighty' and
stupid, you should demand from your clownish shitty
government to stop promote the falsehood that Russia
allegedly wants to invade Poland.

I can personally reassure everyone that Russia has only
invaded Poland nine times in the past. Poles can rest
easy.

<http://migre.me/ujpFf>, <http://migre.me/ujpGD>
Poland, as a carrion eater, took Russian lands after
the Mongolian invasion, and it required a few centures
to take [a part of] them back from Poland.

Now all you have to do is steal the rest.
I sense another invasion...

The Poles (in mass quantities) is the last thing the
Russians would like to see within Russia

Just annex the country, like you've done numerous times before. That way
the Russians will be in their failing state, and the Poles will be in
Poland, and everybody will be happy.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
, so there is
no reason to invade Poland.
Crimea came to Russia because the Crimeans wanted so.
The issues in East Ukraine is of similar nature. The Poles are not
welcome in Russia, so they should stop their non-natural hysteria, and
the malicious British should stop to incite the guileless Poles to
insanity.

That's a lot of shoulds. But then you might not know what "should" means.

Do you think he should?

[Mr. B1ack]

Post by DVH

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Fortunski

Post by Oleg Smirnov
That's the Polish propaganda which eagerly looks for what Russian - mostly
second tier - figures say about Poland, in blogs, social networks etc, and
misrepresents it to naive Polish audience as 'rage' and 'threats'. In fact,
the hysteria is driven by the current ruling clique in Poland, which yells
shamelessly that Russia is going to invade them. It's natural that some in
Russia express irritation of this Polish fidgetiness. This indecent Polish
behavior is a form of perverted attention seeking. If the Polish political
stinkers did not claim persistently about upcoming attack from Russia then
there would be no reason to pay much attention to Poland.

You don't understand what I said,
so I'll say it again;
You better stay with your stinking Russian shit
and don't come here any more.

Instead of trying to say something 'weighty' and stupid, you
should demand from your clownish shitty government to stop promote
the falsehood that Russia allegedly wants to invade Poland.

I can personally reassure everyone that Russia has only invaded Poland
nine times in the past. Poles can rest easy.
1632 invasion by Russia
1654 invasion by Russia
1733 invasion by Russia
1767 invasion by Russia
1792 invasion by Russia
1795 partition by Russia, Prussia and Austria
1831 invasion by Russia
1920 invasion by Russia
1939 invasion by Russia

1945 Russian occupation of Poland

However all of this is increasingly ancient history. The
way the world looks at territorial annexation/conquest
changed considerably after WW2 and even more after
the USSRs dissolution. Russias focus now is on keeping
what it's got (which includes traditionally Russian eastern
Ukraine). It is NOT going to invade Poland. Putin may have
some fun irritating Estonia but he's not going to actually
invade it either.

Russias focus has changed. During the USSR it really
was intent on acquiring satellite countries with a plan
of taking over the world one piece at a time. Such imperial
ambitions are gone (I'd watch China instead). Russia is
now interested in BUSINESS ... it wants to make lots and
lots of MONEY. Invading Poland won't generate any
revenue. Invading Estonia won't generate any revenue.

They wouldn't have secured E.Ukraine except for that
it was considered Theirs already plus they'd spent a
fortune on those seaports and HAVE to have clear
access through the straits for national security reasons.
When Noreiga talked about seizing total control of
the Panama Canal the USA, for national security
reasons, instantly sent in the troops and made sure
it was in safe hands.

Talk of Russia invading Poland is a scare tactic done
for political (and some economic) reasons. No doubt
the US military-industrial complex helps spread such
paranoia because then it can get NATO/Poland to buy
lots of its latest expensive toys.

Poland shouldn't let itself be USED by war profiteers
and rabid ultranationalists. Let money and energy be
directed towards more productive endeavours.

[u2]

Post by Mr. B1ack
Poland shouldn't let itself be USED by war profiteers
and rabid ultranationalists. Let money and energy be
directed towards more productive endeavours.

so fuck off with your money elsewhere:)
--
General Skalski o zydach w UB :

"Rozanski, Zyd, kanalia najgorszego gatunku, razem z Brystigerowa,
Fejginami, to wszystko (...) nie byli ludzie."

prof. PAN Krzysztof Jasiewicz o zydach :

"Zydow gubi brak umiaru we wszystkim i przekonanie, ze sa narodem
wybranym. Czuja sie oni upowaznieni do interpretowania wszystkiego,
takze doktryny katolickiej. Cokolwiek bysmy zrobili, i tak bedzie
poddane ich krytyce - za malo, ze zle, ze zbyt malo ofiarnie. W moim
najglebszym przekonaniu szkoda czasu na dialog z Zydami, bo on do
niczego nie prowadzi... Ludzi, ktorzy uzywają slow 'antysemita',
'antysemicki', nalezy traktowac jak ludzi niegodnych debaty, ktorzy
usiluja niszczyc innych, gdy brakuje argumentow merytorycznych. To oni
tworza mowe nienawisci".