OT has limescale got worse?

Post by Vicky
We're having problems with it, various machines, distilling water to
save the new kettle and coffee maker from clogging up etc. And round
the taps and waste. I don't recall the problems being this bad in
other homes. East barnet was bad but not this bad. Is it possible new
water proividers, Nasty foreign firms etc, don't treat the water
properly?

Water in different places has different levels of hardness. E.g. water from
a bore hole in chalk will be much harder than from a river flowing off peat.
The ownership of the company doesn't affect this.

Your company's website should have typical water analysis figures for your
postcode area, which will include the hardness. Be thankful you've got hard
water, soft tastes horrible and is unpleasant to wash with.

--
Jim <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L- I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0

Chris McMillan

2017-08-09 18:18:17 UTC

Water in different places has different levels of hardness. E.g. water from
a bore hole in chalk will be much harder than from a river flowing off peat.
The ownership of the company doesn't affect this.
Your company's website should have typical water analysis figures for your
postcode area, which will include the hardness. Be thankful you've got hard
water, soft tastes horrible and is unpleasant to wash with.

With you there, Jim, McT won't agree with us. It's wot yer born to, I
reckon.

Sincerely Chris

J. P. Gilliver (John)

2017-08-09 18:57:40 UTC

If only because, presumably, it's as much of a problem for them as you -
their pipes will get furred up too. (OK, more for you as you're heating
it, but still.)

Post by Jim Easterbrook
Your company's website should have typical water analysis figures for your
postcode area, which will include the hardness. Be thankful you've got hard
water, soft tastes horrible and is unpleasant to wash with.

With you there, Jim, McT won't agree with us. It's wot yer born to, I
reckon.
Sincerely Chris

Indeed. Apparently you need a lot more soap to make a good lather with
hard water; since I somewhat like lather, I guess I prefer soft, though
can't say I've ever been aware of the difference. I do remember a
chemistry master saying he had at times had to keep/make a sample of
hard water for showing what people were talking about, to pupils from
soft water areas who'd never encountered it.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Where [other presenters] tackle the world with a box of watercolours, he
takes a spanner. - David Butcher (on Guy Martin), RT 2015/1/31-2/6

Jim Easterbrook

2017-08-09 19:20:21 UTC

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

If only because, presumably, it's as much of a problem for them as you -
their pipes will get furred up too. (OK, more for you as you're heating
it, but still.)

No, their pipes don't suffer at all. Why would they? The hardness stays in
solution from bore hole to customer. Soft water dissolves lead pipes though,
so is a minor health risk if your house is has a lead supply pipe.

--
Jim <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L- I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0

Chris McMillan

2017-08-10 08:20:05 UTC

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

If only because, presumably, it's as much of a problem for them as you -
their pipes will get furred up too. (OK, more for you as you're heating
it, but still.)

With you there, Jim, McT won't agree with us. It's wot yer born to, I
reckon.
Sincerely Chris

Drinking soft water - yuck. Hard water - yummy. Yes, really.

But limescale is a serious problem, does cost more in the long term on wear
and tear of washing machine, dishwasher, etc no doubt about it.

Sincerely Chris

Sincerely Chris

Jim Easterbrook

2017-08-09 19:22:11 UTC

Post by Jim Easterbrook
Your company's website should have typical water analysis figures for your
postcode area, which will include the hardness.

I forgot to mention you can have temporary changes if they shut off one
supply and import from another area, but this is unusual.

--
Jim <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L- I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0

Btms

2017-08-09 21:05:53 UTC

Post by Jim Easterbrook
Your company's website should have typical water analysis figures for your
postcode area, which will include the hardness.

I forgot to mention you can have temporary changes if they shut off one
supply and import from another area, but this is unusual.

Or pour aluminium into the system and deny the outcome.

--
BTMS - Equine Advisor Extraordinaire.

Mike

2017-08-10 07:35:23 UTC

Post by Jim Easterbrook
Your company's website should have typical water analysis figures for your
postcode area, which will include the hardness.

I forgot to mention you can have temporary changes if they shut off one
supply and import from another area, but this is unusual.

Or pour aluminium into the system and deny the outcome.

That well known choral piece "Spend on Aluminium"

--
Toodle Pip

LFS

2017-08-10 10:48:24 UTC

Post by Jim Easterbrook
Your company's website should have typical water analysis figures for your
postcode area, which will include the hardness.

I forgot to mention you can have temporary changes if they shut off one
supply and import from another area, but this is unusual.

Or pour aluminium into the system and deny the outcome.

That well known choral piece "Spend on Aluminium"

<grin>

--
Laura (emulate St George for email)

J. P. Gilliver (John)

2017-08-10 19:49:08 UTC

Post by LFS

Post by Jim Easterbrook
Your company's website should have typical water analysis figures for your
postcode area, which will include the hardness.

I forgot to mention you can have temporary changes if they shut off one
supply and import from another area, but this is unusual.

Or pour aluminium into the system and deny the outcome.

That well known choral piece "Spend on Aluminium"

<grin>

I presume you're thinking of the piece which my brother (who is involved
with several choirs) assures me is known by choristers as "spem, spem,
glorious spem".

(For UNRAts who are curious*: it's "Spem in alium", a choral piece most
famous for having forty different parts, although it isn't just a
novelty - it's rather nice, if you like that sort of thing.)

*OK, I know UMRAts are curious, in both senses.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Advertising is legalized lying. - H.G. Wells

Penny

2017-08-09 22:49:48 UTC

On Wed, 09 Aug 2017 18:56:25 +0100, Jim Easterbrook

Post by Jim Easterbrook
Be thankful you've got hard
water, soft tastes horrible and is unpleasant to wash with.

I have adjusted to the taste here and ours is not so soft as to be
unpleasant to wash with.

--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

Mike

2017-08-09 18:04:52 UTC

TTBOMK, the utilitiy profiteers don't treat the water in any way that would
affect the hardness factor, this is a result of the ground that the rain
permeates through on its' way to the 'abstraction' point.

We knew a retired chief engineer from the the Queen Mary boaty thing and
one of his responsibilties was to monitor the water they took on board to
sate the thirst of the boilers; on a scale where the water in New York
measured 0.5, the water in Reading measured 22 and he referred to this as
'liquid bricks'.

--
Toodle Pip

Vicky

2017-08-09 21:09:10 UTC

Post by Mike
We knew a retired chief engineer from the the Queen Mary boaty thing and
one of his responsibilties was to monitor the water they took on board to
sate the thirst of the boilers; on a scale where the water in New York
measured 0.5, the water in Reading measured 22 and he referred to this as
'liquid bricks'.

Oooh! One of the radio officers we sailed with had been on the QM
boaty, the original. I think there is a new one now, isn't there? This
would have been in about 1970s. Gus. He was Radio Officer on it and I
think his wife was a nurse on it.She wasn't sailing with us. #

I'm trying to recall whose responsibility the making of water is on a
tanker. I think 2nd engineer. 3rd is electricals and Chief general
stuff. Or was it 4th?

--
Vicky

Mike

2017-08-10 07:38:10 UTC

Post by Vicky
I'm trying to recall whose responsibility the making of water is on a
tanker.

Err.... everyones I think ;-)

--
Toodle Pip

LFS

2017-08-10 10:49:29 UTC

Post by Vicky
I'm trying to recall whose responsibility the making of water is on a
tanker.

Err.... everyones I think ;-)

Difficult to avoid, I'd have thought.

--
Laura (emulate St George for email)

BrritSki

2017-08-10 12:09:47 UTC

Post by LFS

Post by Vicky
I'm trying to recall whose responsibility the making of water is on a
tanker.

Err.... everyones I think ;-)

Difficult to avoid, I'd have thought.

Especially if you're downwind...

Chris McMillan

2017-08-10 08:30:47 UTC

Post by Vicky

Oooh! One of the radio officers we sailed with had been on the QM
boaty, the original. I think there is a new one now, isn't there? This
would have been in about 1970s. Gus. He was Radio Officer on it and I
think his wife was a nurse on it.She wasn't sailing with us. #
I'm trying to recall whose responsibility the making of water is on a
tanker. I think 2nd engineer. 3rd is electricals and Chief general
stuff. Or was it 4th?

Our friend was in the war or soon after. We met him in the mid-1970s and
he was retired for a number of years by then.

Sincerely Chris

Peter Percival

2017-08-10 21:47:15 UTC

Post by Vicky
I'm trying to recall whose responsibility the making of water is on a
tanker. I think 2nd engineer. 3rd is electricals and Chief general
stuff. Or was it 4th?

Beethoven's 5th.

--
Do, as a concession to my poor wits, Lord Darlington, just explain
to me what you really mean.
I think I had better not, Duchess. Nowadays to be intelligible is
to be found out. -- Oscar Wilde, Lady Windermere's Fan

Clive Arthur

2017-08-10 22:06:14 UTC

Post by Vicky
I'm trying to recall whose responsibility the making of water is on a
tanker. I think 2nd engineer. 3rd is electricals and Chief general
stuff. Or was it 4th?

Beethoven's 5th.

Makwala's 6th.

Cheers

--
Clive

Fenny

2017-08-11 00:04:20 UTC

On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 23:06:14 +0100, Clive Arthur

Post by Vicky
I'm trying to recall whose responsibility the making of water is on a
tanker. I think 2nd engineer. 3rd is electricals and Chief general
stuff. Or was it 4th?

Beethoven's 5th.

Makwala's 6th.

Seven of Nine

--
Fenny

Mike

2017-08-11 08:05:24 UTC

Post by Fenny
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 23:06:14 +0100, Clive Arthur

Post by Vicky
I'm trying to recall whose responsibility the making of water is on a
tanker. I think 2nd engineer. 3rd is electricals and Chief general
stuff. Or was it 4th?

Beethoven's 5th.

Makwala's 6th.

Seven of Nine

'Pieces of eight'

--
Toodle Pip

BrritSki

2017-08-11 09:41:26 UTC

Post by Fenny
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 23:06:14 +0100, Clive Arthur

Post by Vicky
I'm trying to recall whose responsibility the making of water is on a
tanker. I think 2nd engineer. 3rd is electricals and Chief general
stuff. Or was it 4th?

Beethoven's 5th.

Makwala's 6th.

Seven of Nine

'Pieces of eight'

9 rings for mortal men, doomed to die.

krw

2017-08-11 09:42:44 UTC

Post by BrritSki

Post by Fenny
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 23:06:14 +0100, Clive Arthur

Post by Vicky
I'm trying to recall whose responsibility the making of water is on a
tanker. I think 2nd engineer. 3rd is electricals and Chief general
stuff. Or was it 4th?

Beethoven's 5th.

Makwala's 6th.

Seven of Nine

'Pieces of eight'

9 rings for mortal men, doomed to die.

10 Lords a leaping.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
tiny.cc/KRWpics

Vicky

2017-08-11 09:55:16 UTC

Post by krw

Post by BrritSki

Post by Fenny
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 23:06:14 +0100, Clive Arthur

Post by Vicky
I'm trying to recall whose responsibility the making of water is on a
tanker. I think 2nd engineer. 3rd is electricals and Chief general
stuff. Or was it 4th?

Beethoven's 5th.

Makwala's 6th.

Seven of Nine

'Pieces of eight'

9 rings for mortal men, doomed to die.

10 Lords a leaping.

They all rolled over and one fell out.
(time spent with 2 yr old yesterday)

--
Vicky

J. P. Gilliver (John)

2017-08-10 22:13:57 UTC

Post by Vicky
I'm trying to recall whose responsibility the making of water is on a
tanker. I think 2nd engineer. 3rd is electricals and Chief general
stuff. Or was it 4th?

Beethoven's 5th.

So was Moses, and lost the job ...

--
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and Squeak /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ Shame there's no snooze button
[1998] |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'- on a cat who wants breakfast
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Peter Percival

2017-08-09 19:46:03 UTC

Move to Brum. They have delicious water. Probably because it comes
from Wales...

Btms

2017-08-09 21:05:54 UTC

Move to Brum. They have delicious water. Probably because it comes
from Wales...

Just how green was that valley?

--
BTMS - Equine Advisor Extraordinaire.

Paul Herber

2017-08-10 10:27:10 UTC

Move to Brum. They have delicious water. Probably because it comes
from Wales...

Just how green was that valley?

Did the water come from a hill or a mountain?

--
Regards, Paul Herber
http://www.paulherber.co.uk/

Btms

2017-08-10 14:00:00 UTC

Post by Paul Herber

Move to Brum. They have delicious water. Probably because it comes
from Wales...

Just how green was that valley?

Did the water come from a hill or a mountain?

Both but the valley was flooded to provide Brum with water.

--
BTMS - Equine Advisor Extraordinaire.

Penny

2017-08-09 22:54:21 UTC

On Wed, 09 Aug 2017 18:51:52 +0100, Vicky <***@gmail.com> scrawled
in the dust...

Not sure why Watford should be worse than Barnet but we used to get lots of
fur in the kettle in Abbots Langley.

It does vary though, when I lived at the foot of the North Downs in Kent
the kettle used to get a slight brownish coating but no fur. Up over the
hill only 4 miles away everything furred up all the time.

Not sure I'd like tea or coffee made with distilled water though - you can
get tablets to keep the washing machine clear. Why is it always the cold
tap that gets furry?

--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

Jim Easterbrook

2017-08-10 05:55:59 UTC

Post by Penny
Not sure I'd like tea or coffee made with distilled water though - you can
get tablets to keep the washing machine clear. Why is it always the cold
tap that gets furry?

Because the hot water has dumped its scale in the hot water tank.

--
Jim <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L- I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0

Mike

2017-08-10 07:41:56 UTC

Post by Penny
in the dust...

Not sure why Watford should be worse than Barnet but we used to get lots of
fur in the kettle in Abbots Langley.
It does vary though, when I lived at the foot of the North Downs in Kent
the kettle used to get a slight brownish coating but no fur. Up over the
hill only 4 miles away everything furred up all the time.
Not sure I'd like tea or coffee made with distilled water though - you can
get tablets to keep the washing machine clear. Why is it always the cold
tap that gets furry?

If you keep your hot water system at no higher than 60 degrees C, the
system will keep the furring to the minimum, maybe the 'fur' is all in the
pipework previous to the hot top and has yet to get that far.

--
Toodle Pip

Fenny

2017-08-09 23:18:44 UTC

Just get a filter jug (or have a filter fitted on the feed pipe to the
kitchen tap). I have hard water, but using a filter jug means I have
no proble with the kettle or - more importantly - the coffee machine.
The taps get covered in limescale and take a good scrubbing to get
them ungunged.

--
Fenny

LFS

2017-08-10 07:40:21 UTC

Post by Fenny

Same here. Oxford water is not only hard but heavily chlorinated, makes
tea taste vile, we've used jug filters since they first appeared on
sale. I clean the taps frequently but the shower tiles need attacking
now and that's a horrid job.

--
Laura (emulate St George for email)

Clive Arthur

2017-08-10 10:30:59 UTC

Post by LFS

Post by Fenny

The filter doesn't remove the Chlorine, just letting the water stand in
the jug will do the same thing. That's why you can smell the Chlorine,
it would rather be in the air.

When I pour a glass of water, I put my finger over the tap to make a
high speed turbulent jet into the glass, then blow the chlorine away.

Cheers

--
Clive

J. P. Gilliver (John)

2017-08-10 19:52:52 UTC

In message <***@mid.individual.net>, LFS
<***@gmail.com> writes:
[]

Post by LFS
Same here. Oxford water is not only hard but heavily chlorinated, makes

[]
Good for washing poultry, then?

IGMC ...

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Advertising is legalized lying. - H.G. Wells

Paul Herber

2017-08-12 13:33:06 UTC

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[]

Post by LFS
Same here. Oxford water is not only hard but heavily chlorinated, makes

[]
Good for washing poultry, then?

This leaves a Bad Taste in my mouth.

--
Regards, Paul Herber
http://www.paulherber.co.uk/

Jenny M Benson

2017-08-12 13:56:35 UTC

Post by Paul Herber

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[]

Post by LFS
Same here. Oxford water is not only hard but heavily chlorinated, makes

[]
Good for washing poultry, then?

This leaves a Bad Taste in my mouth.

Nomination accepted, Mr Herber!

--
Jenny M Benson

steveski

2017-08-10 00:23:52 UTC