Tesco car ID machines......hassle

[Bod]

Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.

[Bod]

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

[Bod]

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Does this ANPR happen in any other Tesco stores car parks?

[Ophelia]

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Does this ANPR happen in any other Tesco stores car parks?

Yes. There is a Tesco car park we use in Northallerton and you are allowed
2 hours free. That gives plenty of time to shop in the main street too.

[Bod]

Post by Ophelia

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Does this ANPR happen in any other Tesco stores car parks?

Yes. There is a Tesco car park we use in Northallerton and you are
allowed 2 hours free. That gives plenty of time to shop in the main
street too.

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[Ian Jackson]

Post by Bod

Post by Ophelia

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Does this ANPR happen in any other Tesco stores car parks?

Yes. There is a Tesco car park we use in Northallerton and you are
allowed 2 hours free. That gives plenty of time to shop in the main
street too.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zigiu0oha3k75t4/TESCO%20Parking%20voucher%20-%
20Copy.jpg?dl=0

I've never seen that sort of voucher.

However, at some pay-on-exit carparks at shopping malls etc, you get a
couple of hours free - provided you remember to get your entry ticket
validated at the check-out when you buy something (minimum purchase?).
If you leave within the free park time, the exit machine takes your
ticket, but doesn't charge you.

Something similar applies at some pay-and-display supermarket carparks.
The display ticket has a tear-off stub which, if you present it at the
checkout (again, minimum purchase?), you get the parking charge knocked
off the bill.

[Ophelia]

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Post by Ophelia

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Does this ANPR happen in any other Tesco stores car parks?

Yes. There is a Tesco car park we use in Northallerton and you are
allowed 2 hours free. That gives plenty of time to shop in the main
street too.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zigiu0oha3k75t4/TESCO%20Parking%20voucher%20-%
20Copy.jpg?dl=0

I've never seen that sort of voucher.
However, at some pay-on-exit carparks at shopping malls etc, you get a
couple of hours free - provided you remember to get your entry ticket
validated at the check-out when you buy something (minimum purchase?). If
you leave within the free park time, the exit machine takes your ticket,
but doesn't charge you.
Something similar applies at some pay-and-display supermarket carparks.
The display ticket has a tear-off stub which, if you present it at the
checkout (again, minimum purchase?), you get the parking charge knocked
off the bill.

Yes, there is one like the last you describe in Ripon, but I've never seen
any others.

[Ophelia]

Post by Bod

Post by Ophelia

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Does this ANPR happen in any other Tesco stores car parks?

Yes. There is a Tesco car park we use in Northallerton and you are
allowed 2 hours free. That gives plenty of time to shop in the main
street too.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zigiu0oha3k75t4/TESCO%20Parking%20voucher%20-%20Copy.jpg?dl=0

The car park in Northallerton has nothing like that. There are no machines
only signs warning they will contact DVLC to get your address and send you a
fine if you stay longer than 2 hours. Up here in my area, we don't have any
car park charges (and no restrictions in any of them, not even in Tesco) and
yes, I know we are very lucky.

[Clive George]

Post by Ophelia
The car park in Northallerton has nothing like that. There are no
machines only signs warning they will contact DVLC to get your address
and send you a fine if you stay longer than 2 hours. Up here in my
area, we don't have any car park charges (and no restrictions in any of
them, not even in Tesco) and yes, I know we are very lucky.

Do they still use disk parking there?

[Ophelia]

Post by Clive George

Post by Ophelia
The car park in Northallerton has nothing like that. There are no
machines only signs warning they will contact DVLC to get your address
and send you a fine if you stay longer than 2 hours. Up here in my
area, we don't have any car park charges (and no restrictions in any of
them, not even in Tesco) and yes, I know we are very lucky.

Do they still use disk parking there?

On the main street parking but not in the car park.

[mick]

Post by Ophelia

Post by Bod

Post by Ophelia

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Does this ANPR happen in any other Tesco stores car parks?

Yes. There is a Tesco car park we use in Northallerton and you are
allowed 2 hours free. That gives plenty of time to shop in the main
street too.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zigiu0oha3k75t4/TESCO%20Parking%20voucher%20-%20Copy.jpg?dl=0

The car park in Northallerton has nothing like that. There are no machines
only signs warning they will contact DVLC to get your address and send you a
fine if you stay longer than 2 hours.

These supermarkets cannot fine you, they are not above the law, only a
court can do that.
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets

[Bod]

Post by mick

Post by Ophelia

Post by Bod

Post by Ophelia

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Does this ANPR happen in any other Tesco stores car parks?

Yes. There is a Tesco car park we use in Northallerton and you are
allowed 2 hours free. That gives plenty of time to shop in the main
street too.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zigiu0oha3k75t4/TESCO%20Parking%20voucher%20-%20Copy.jpg?dl=0

The car park in Northallerton has nothing like that. There are no
machines only signs warning they will contact DVLC to get your address
and send you a fine if you stay longer than 2 hours.

These supermarkets cannot fine you, they are not above the law, only a
court can do that.
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets

Yes, I thought as much.

[MM]

Post by Bod

Post by mick

Post by Ophelia

Post by Bod

Post by Ophelia

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Does this ANPR happen in any other Tesco stores car parks?

Yes. There is a Tesco car park we use in Northallerton and you are
allowed 2 hours free. That gives plenty of time to shop in the main
street too.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zigiu0oha3k75t4/TESCO%20Parking%20voucher%20-%20Copy.jpg?dl=0

The car park in Northallerton has nothing like that. There are no
machines only signs warning they will contact DVLC to get your address
and send you a fine if you stay longer than 2 hours.

These supermarkets cannot fine you, they are not above the law, only a
court can do that.
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets

Yes, I thought as much.

How many drivers have been wrongly "fined" because the supermarket's
ANPR misread their registration plate(s)? Anyone know? It's always
something I fear, which is why I tend to park next door in the council
car park, which is free for two hours.

MM

[michael adams]

Post by MM
How many drivers have been wrongly "fined" because the supermarket's
ANPR misread their registration plate(s)? Anyone know? It's always
something I fear, which is why I tend to park next door in the council
car park, which is free for two hours.
MM

Surely if the supermarket's ANPR misreads your registration plates
then they're going to "fine" somebody else - the owner of the car
they wrongly thought was yours - not you.

You can only be wrongly "fined" if the supermarket ANPR misreads
somebody else's number plate and thinks it was yours. Which could
happen wherever your car happened to be. In a supermarket car park,
a council car park or locked up safely inside the garage beside
your house.


michael adams

...

[tim.....]

Post by michael adams

Post by MM
How many drivers have been wrongly "fined" because the supermarket's
ANPR misread their registration plate(s)? Anyone know? It's always
something I fear, which is why I tend to park next door in the council
car park, which is free for two hours.
MM

Surely if the supermarket's ANPR misreads your registration plates
then they're going to "fine" somebody else - the owner of the car
they wrongly thought was yours - not you.
You can only be wrongly "fined" if the supermarket ANPR misreads
somebody else's number plate and thinks it was yours. Which could
happen wherever your car happened to be. In a supermarket car park,
a council car park or locked up safely inside the garage beside
your house.

you forget:

correctly reading it on the way in

incorrectly reading it on the way out

tim

[Jethro_uk]

Post by tim.....

Post by MM
How many drivers have been wrongly "fined" because the supermarket's
ANPR misread their registration plate(s)? Anyone know? It's always
something I fear, which is why I tend to park next door in the council
car park, which is free for two hours.
MM

Surely if the supermarket's ANPR misreads your registration plates then
they're going to "fine" somebody else - the owner of the car they
wrongly thought was yours - not you.
You can only be wrongly "fined" if the supermarket ANPR misreads
somebody else's number plate and thinks it was yours. Which could
happen wherever your car happened to be. In a supermarket car park,
a council car park or locked up safely inside the garage beside your
house.

correctly reading it on the way in
incorrectly reading it on the way out
tim

Which would mean that their system would insist the car *must* still be
in the car park. An invitation to the company to find it would result in
the charge being cancelled. Unless the company is braindead enough to
admit their system is fallible, or there's a way out of the car-park
bypassing the ANPR camera.

[MM]

On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 16:06:16 +0100, "michael adams"

Post by michael adams

Post by MM
How many drivers have been wrongly "fined" because the supermarket's
ANPR misread their registration plate(s)? Anyone know? It's always
something I fear, which is why I tend to park next door in the council
car park, which is free for two hours.
MM

Surely if the supermarket's ANPR misreads your registration plates
then they're going to "fine" somebody else - the owner of the car
they wrongly thought was yours - not you.

But that theory would work the other way, too. They misread someone
else's registration plates and fine ME!

MM

[michael adams]

Post by MM
On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 16:06:16 +0100, "michael adams"

Post by michael adams

Post by MM
How many drivers have been wrongly "fined" because the supermarket's
ANPR misread their registration plate(s)? Anyone know? It's always
something I fear, which is why I tend to park next door in the council
car park, which is free for two hours.
MM

Surely if the supermarket's ANPR misreads your registration plates
then they're going to "fine" somebody else - the owner of the car
they wrongly thought was yours - not you.

But that theory would work the other way, too. They misread someone
else's registration plates and fine ME!

Which was amply covered in the paragraph that you snipped

Post by MM
You can only be wrongly "fined" if the supermarket ANPR misreads
somebody else's number plate and thinks it was yours. Which could
happen wherever your car happened to be. In a supermarket car park,
a council car park or locked up safely inside the garage beside
your house.

Although it appears things are a bit more complicated, as a lot
depends on whether they mis-read the plate on the way out or
the way in. Although there again if their readings don't match
- they can't make up a pair - then maybe nothing happens.
So maybe the misread must happen both going in and coming out.


michael adams

...

[MM]

On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:17:03 +0100, "michael adams"

Post by michael adams

Post by MM
On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 16:06:16 +0100, "michael adams"

Post by michael adams

Post by MM
How many drivers have been wrongly "fined" because the supermarket's
ANPR misread their registration plate(s)? Anyone know? It's always
something I fear, which is why I tend to park next door in the council
car park, which is free for two hours.
MM

Surely if the supermarket's ANPR misreads your registration plates
then they're going to "fine" somebody else - the owner of the car
they wrongly thought was yours - not you.

But that theory would work the other way, too. They misread someone
else's registration plates and fine ME!

Which was amply covered in the paragraph that you snipped

Post by MM
You can only be wrongly "fined" if the supermarket ANPR misreads
somebody else's number plate and thinks it was yours. Which could
happen wherever your car happened to be. In a supermarket car park,
a council car park or locked up safely inside the garage beside
your house.

Although it appears things are a bit more complicated, as a lot
depends on whether they mis-read the plate on the way out or
the way in. Although there again if their readings don't match
- they can't make up a pair - then maybe nothing happens.
So maybe the misread must happen both going in and coming out.

Where Tesco is concerned, nothing would surprise me any more.

MM

[Ophelia]

Post by mick

Post by Ophelia

Post by Bod

Post by Ophelia

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Does this ANPR happen in any other Tesco stores car parks?

Yes. There is a Tesco car park we use in Northallerton and you are
allowed 2 hours free. That gives plenty of time to shop in the main
street too.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zigiu0oha3k75t4/TESCO%20Parking%20voucher%20-%20Copy.jpg?dl=0

The car park in Northallerton has nothing like that. There are no
machines only signs warning they will contact DVLC to get your address
and send you a fine if you stay longer than 2 hours.

These supermarkets cannot fine you, they are not above the law, only a
court can do that.
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets

I am just quoting the sign, but I am not interested in challenging it:) 2
hours is more than enough time for me:)

[Judith]

<snip>

Post by Ophelia

Post by mick

Post by Ophelia
The car park in Northallerton has nothing like that. There are no
machines only signs warning they will contact DVLC to get your address
and send you a fine if you stay longer than 2 hours.

These supermarkets cannot fine you, they are not above the law, only a
court can do that.
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets

I am just quoting the sign, but I am not interested in challenging it:) 2
hours is more than enough time for me:)

Rubbish: you have not actually read what the sign says.

I really doubt if a Tesco car park sign used the word "fine".

Still - ability to read is not exactly your strong point.

(Ophelia has a "life subscription" to the Daily Mail : wicked piss take which the dozy cow swallowed.)
She also supports UKIP: says it all.

[tim.....]

Post by mick

Post by Ophelia

Post by Bod

Post by Ophelia

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Does this ANPR happen in any other Tesco stores car parks?

Yes. There is a Tesco car park we use in Northallerton and you are
allowed 2 hours free. That gives plenty of time to shop in the main
street too.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zigiu0oha3k75t4/TESCO%20Parking%20voucher%20-%20Copy.jpg?dl=0

The car park in Northallerton has nothing like that. There are no
machines only signs warning they will contact DVLC to get your address
and send you a fine if you stay longer than 2 hours.

These supermarkets cannot fine you, they are not above the law, only a
court can do that.
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets

ITYF that the use of the word "fine" came from the OP, not from the company
regulating the car park.

they will have created a contract that uses language which will not become
unenforceable because of a simple semantic mistake

tim

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mick

[Ian Jackson]

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Post by mick

Post by Ophelia

Post by Bod

Post by Ophelia

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a
coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine
the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the
car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and
then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Does this ANPR happen in any other Tesco stores car parks?

Yes. There is a Tesco car park we use in Northallerton and you are
allowed 2 hours free. That gives plenty of time to shop in the main
street too.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zigiu0oha3k75t4/TESCO%20Parking%20voucher%2
0-%20Copy.jpg?dl=0

The car park in Northallerton has nothing like that. There are no
machines only signs warning they will contact DVLC to get your
address and send you a fine if you stay longer than 2 hours.

These supermarkets cannot fine you, they are not above the law, only
a court can do that.
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets

ITYF that the use of the word "fine" came from the OP, not from the
company regulating the car park.
they will have created a contract that uses language which will not
become unenforceable because of a simple semantic mistake

In either of these newsgroups, the repeated pedantic correction of the
word 'fine' is usually simply an attempt to make the corrector look
clever, and to disrupt the thread. As most sensible people already know
when a fine is not a fine, the urge to do it should be resisted. If it
hasn't been resisted, then the urge to follow-up should be resisted!

[tim.....]

Post by Ian Jackson

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Post by mick

Post by Ophelia

Post by Bod

Post by Ophelia

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Does this ANPR happen in any other Tesco stores car parks?

Yes. There is a Tesco car park we use in Northallerton and you are
allowed 2 hours free. That gives plenty of time to shop in the main
street too.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zigiu0oha3k75t4/TESCO%20Parking%20voucher%2
0-%20Copy.jpg?dl=0

The car park in Northallerton has nothing like that. There are no
machines only signs warning they will contact DVLC to get your address
and send you a fine if you stay longer than 2 hours.

These supermarkets cannot fine you, they are not above the law, only a
court can do that.
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets

ITYF that the use of the word "fine" came from the OP, not from the
company regulating the car park.
they will have created a contract that uses language which will not become
unenforceable because of a simple semantic mistake

In either of these newsgroups, the repeated pedantic correction of the
word 'fine' is usually simply an attempt to make the corrector look
clever,

No, it is to point out that the situation of it being unenforceable only
exists if it actually is described as a fine.

Just because you think it's a "fine" doesn't make it legally so.

Post by Ian Jackson
and to disrupt the thread.

utter twaddle, it's a a relevant point of discussion

Post by Ian Jackson
As most sensible people already know when a fine is not a fine,

do they?

a (for example) "penalty charge of 40 pounds" is legally not a fine (even if
you think that it is).

that's exactly why this terminology is used by the railway to "fine" people
for travelling without a valid ticket

Post by Ian Jackson
the urge to do it should be resisted. If it hasn't been resisted, then the
urge to follow-up should be resisted!

so you win an argument where you are factually incorrect by telling someone
not to reply

well done, go to teacher for your gold star

tim

[Ian Jackson]

Post by tim.....

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by tim.....

Post by mick

Post by Ophelia

Post by Bod

Post by Ophelia

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a
coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a
machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and
then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Does this ANPR happen in any other Tesco stores car parks?

Yes. There is a Tesco car park we use in Northallerton and you are
allowed 2 hours free. That gives plenty of time to shop in the main
street too.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zigiu0oha3k75t4/TESCO%20Parking%20voucher%2
0-%20Copy.jpg?dl=0

The car park in Northallerton has nothing like that. There are no
machines only signs warning they will contact DVLC to get your
address and send you a fine if you stay longer than 2 hours.

These supermarkets cannot fine you, they are not above the law,
only a court can do that.
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets

ITYF that the use of the word "fine" came from the OP, not from the
company regulating the car park.
they will have created a contract that uses language which will not
become unenforceable because of a simple semantic mistake

In either of these newsgroups, the repeated pedantic correction of
the word 'fine' is usually simply an attempt to make the corrector
look clever,

No, it is to point out that the situation of it being unenforceable
only exists if it actually is described as a fine.
Just because you think it's a "fine" doesn't make it legally so.

Post by Ian Jackson
and to disrupt the thread.

utter twaddle, it's a a relevant point of discussion

Post by Ian Jackson
As most sensible people already know when a fine is not a fine,

do they?
a (for example) "penalty charge of 40 pounds" is legally not a fine
(even if you think that it is).
that's exactly why this terminology is used by the railway to "fine"
people for travelling without a valid ticket

Post by Ian Jackson
the urge to do it should be resisted. If it hasn't been resisted,
then the urge to follow-up should be resisted!

so you win an argument where you are factually incorrect by telling
someone not to reply
well done, go to teacher for your gold star

You've conveniently deleted "As most sensible people already know when a
fine is not a fine" from the middle of what I said. Why did you do this?

In case you didn't read or understand my point, most of us do know that
such penalties aren't legal fines. Instead, like being late returning
library books, they are penalties imposed for breaching the contract you
make when you use the facilities provided. But all of this has
absolutely bugger all to do with the OP's original point.

[tim.....]

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by tim.....

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by tim.....

Post by mick

Post by Ophelia

Post by Bod

Post by Ophelia

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a
coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine
the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Does this ANPR happen in any other Tesco stores car parks?

Yes. There is a Tesco car park we use in Northallerton and you are
allowed 2 hours free. That gives plenty of time to shop in the main
street too.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zigiu0oha3k75t4/TESCO%20Parking%20voucher%2
0-%20Copy.jpg?dl=0

The car park in Northallerton has nothing like that. There are no
machines only signs warning they will contact DVLC to get your
address and send you a fine if you stay longer than 2 hours.

These supermarkets cannot fine you, they are not above the law, only a
court can do that.
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets

ITYF that the use of the word "fine" came from the OP, not from the
company regulating the car park.
they will have created a contract that uses language which will not
become unenforceable because of a simple semantic mistake

In either of these newsgroups, the repeated pedantic correction of the
word 'fine' is usually simply an attempt to make the corrector look
clever,

No, it is to point out that the situation of it being unenforceable only
exists if it actually is described as a fine.
Just because you think it's a "fine" doesn't make it legally so.

Post by Ian Jackson
and to disrupt the thread.

utter twaddle, it's a a relevant point of discussion

Post by Ian Jackson
As most sensible people already know when a fine is not a fine,

do they?
a (for example) "penalty charge of 40 pounds" is legally not a fine (even
if you think that it is).
that's exactly why this terminology is used by the railway to "fine"
people for travelling without a valid ticket

Post by Ian Jackson
the urge to do it should be resisted. If it hasn't been resisted, then
the urge to follow-up should be resisted!

so you win an argument where you are factually incorrect by telling
someone not to reply
well done, go to teacher for your gold star

You've conveniently deleted "As most sensible people already know when a
fine is not a fine" from the middle of what I said. Why did you do this?

to make the reply shorter.

Post by Ian Jackson
In case you didn't read or understand my point, most of us do know that
such penalties aren't legal fines. Instead, like being late returning
library books, they are penalties imposed for breaching the contract you
make when you use the facilities provided.

Except that a PP was taking the comment to mean

these "charges" are unenforceable and you can ignore them

In a legal forum such impressions cannot be allowed to stand uncorrected

Post by Ian Jackson
absolutely bugger all to do with the OP's original point.

yeah, so what

thread drift happens all the time.

It's not your job to control it

tim

[Judith]

On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 11:59:52 +0100, Ian Jackson
<***@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote:

<snip>

Post by Ian Jackson
In either of these newsgroups, the repeated pedantic correction of the
word 'fine' is usually simply an attempt to make the corrector look
clever, and to disrupt the thread. As most sensible people already know
when a fine is not a fine, the urge to do it should be resisted. If it
hasn't been resisted, then the urge to follow-up should be resisted!

But of course if someone claims that a Tesco car park uses the word "fine" -
then they need to be put right because what they claim is almost certainly
incorrect. Otherwise it perpetuates the belief with some people who are not so
bright that Tesco can actually *fine* you.

[Mike Swift]

Post by Ophelia
The car park in Northallerton has nothing like that. There are no machines
only signs warning they will contact DVLC to get your address and send
you a fine if you stay longer than 2 hours. Up here in my area, we don't
have any car park charges (and no restrictions in any of them, not even in
Tesco) and yes, I know we are very lucky.

FFS, only the courts can *fine* you, they issue and invoice, what you do
with it is up to you.

Mike

[Ophelia]

Post by Mike Swift

Post by Ophelia
The car park in Northallerton has nothing like that. There are no machines
only signs warning they will contact DVLC to get your address and send
you a fine if you stay longer than 2 hours. Up here in my area, we don't
have any car park charges (and no restrictions in any of them, not even in
Tesco) and yes, I know we are very lucky.

FFS, only the courts can *fine* you, they issue and invoice, what you do
with it is up to you.

As I said, I am just quoting the sign. 2 hours is plenty of time for me. I
think it is good they allow you 2 hours to shop in the town too. They could
put meters in and then there would be no dispute.

[Judith]

Post by Ophelia

Post by Mike Swift

Post by Ophelia
The car park in Northallerton has nothing like that. There are no machines
only signs warning they will contact DVLC to get your address and send
you a fine if you stay longer than 2 hours. Up here in my area, we don't
have any car park charges (and no restrictions in any of them, not even in
Tesco) and yes, I know we are very lucky.

FFS, only the courts can *fine* you, they issue and invoice, what you do
with it is up to you.

As I said, I am just quoting the sign.

I for one do not believe you. perhaps you should photograph this unusual sign
as Tesco need to be put right.

Unless you are just incorrect as is so often the case

[tim.....]

Post by Mike Swift

Post by Ophelia
The car park in Northallerton has nothing like that. There are no machines
only signs warning they will contact DVLC to get your address and send
you a fine if you stay longer than 2 hours. Up here in my area, we don't
have any car park charges (and no restrictions in any of them, not even in
Tesco) and yes, I know we are very lucky.

FFS, only the courts can *fine* you, they issue and invoice, what you do
with it is up to you.

they will not be fining you.

they are issuing you with (what they believe to be) a pre-agreed,
contractual charge.

there is plenty of case law showing that, in principle, these charges ARE
enforceable.

where they don't get enforced it will be because they decide that the
chances of showing that the punter did actually agree to the charges will
cost them more than they might win.

Of course, the more people who (mistakenly) choose not to pay on the basis
that the charges aren't enforceable, the more likely it will be that the
companies will have no choice but to purses each and every transgressor in
court

tim

[Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI]

Post by tim.....

Post by Mike Swift

Post by Ophelia
The car park in Northallerton has nothing like that. There are no machines
only signs warning they will contact DVLC to get your address and send
you a fine if you stay longer than 2 hours. Up here in my area, we don't
have any car park charges (and no restrictions in any of them, not even in
Tesco) and yes, I know we are very lucky.

FFS, only the courts can *fine* you, they issue and invoice, what you
do with it is up to you.

they will not be fining you.
they are issuing you with (what they believe to be) a pre-agreed,
contractual charge.
there is plenty of case law showing that, in principle, these charges
ARE enforceable.
where they don't get enforced it will be because they decide that the
chances of showing that the punter did actually agree to the charges
will cost them more than they might win.
Of course, the more people who (mistakenly) choose not to pay on the
basis that the charges aren't enforceable, the more likely it will be
that the companies will have no choice but to purses each and every
transgressor in court

My advice is always appeal any parking "invoice" from these cowboys.
If your appeal is rejected contact www.popla.co.uk (Parking on Private
Land Appeals). Even if they also reject your appeal they still invoice
the parking cowboys (£27 per appeal, I'm told) and so reduce their profits.
POPLA does not charge the motorist for making an appeal.
Enough successful appeals could even bankrupt the parking cowboys.
Win, win.

--

[Bod]

Post by Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI

Post by tim.....

Post by Mike Swift

Post by Ophelia
The car park in Northallerton has nothing like that. There are no machines
only signs warning they will contact DVLC to get your address and send
you a fine if you stay longer than 2 hours. Up here in my area, we don't
have any car park charges (and no restrictions in any of them, not even in
Tesco) and yes, I know we are very lucky.

FFS, only the courts can *fine* you, they issue and invoice, what you
do with it is up to you.

they will not be fining you.
they are issuing you with (what they believe to be) a pre-agreed,
contractual charge.
there is plenty of case law showing that, in principle, these charges
ARE enforceable.
where they don't get enforced it will be because they decide that the
chances of showing that the punter did actually agree to the charges
will cost them more than they might win.
Of course, the more people who (mistakenly) choose not to pay on the
basis that the charges aren't enforceable, the more likely it will be
that the companies will have no choice but to purses each and every
transgressor in court

My advice is always appeal any parking "invoice" from these cowboys.
If your appeal is rejected contact www.popla.co.uk (Parking on Private
Land Appeals). Even if they also reject your appeal they still invoice
the parking cowboys (£27 per appeal, I'm told) and so reduce their profits.
POPLA does not charge the motorist for making an appeal.
Enough successful appeals could even bankrupt the parking cowboys.
Win, win.

A handy link to keep, thanks.

[tim.....]

Post by Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI

Post by tim.....
transgressor in court

My advice is always appeal any parking "invoice" from these cowboys.
If your appeal is rejected contact www.popla.co.uk (Parking on Private
Land Appeals). Even if they also reject your appeal they still invoice the
parking cowboys (£27 per appeal, I'm told) and so reduce their profits.
POPLA does not charge the motorist for making an appeal.
Enough successful appeals could even bankrupt the parking cowboys.
Win, win.

whilst I accept that some of the tactics used by these companies are dodgy
the unfortunate fact is that there is a need for them

As a habitual purchaser of town centre flats (one at a time, not
consecutively) everywhere that I have lived has had a problem with shoppers
etc thinking that my space, one that I actually have "ownership" of, to park
my car in is a valid "free for all" parking space - when it is not.

How are we supposed to police such unreasonable, greedy, rude, selfish,
arrogant behaviour except by being allowed to "fine" transgressors?

Putting up gates/barriers etc is not always practical, and sometimes not
even allowed

tim

[Judith]

Post by tim.....

Post by Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI

Post by tim.....
transgressor in court

My advice is always appeal any parking "invoice" from these cowboys.
If your appeal is rejected contact www.popla.co.uk (Parking on Private
Land Appeals). Even if they also reject your appeal they still invoice the
parking cowboys (£27 per appeal, I'm told) and so reduce their profits.
POPLA does not charge the motorist for making an appeal.
Enough successful appeals could even bankrupt the parking cowboys.
Win, win.

whilst I accept that some of the tactics used by these companies are dodgy
the unfortunate fact is that there is a need for them
As a habitual purchaser of town centre flats (one at a time, not
consecutively) everywhere that I have lived has had a problem with shoppers
etc thinking that my space, one that I actually have "ownership" of, to park
my car in is a valid "free for all" parking space - when it is not.
How are we supposed to police such unreasonable, greedy, rude, selfish,
arrogant behaviour except by being allowed to "fine" transgressors?
Putting up gates/barriers etc is not always practical, and sometimes not
even allowed
tim

I am surprised they don't come back to their car to find a couple of flat
tyres.

[Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI]

Post by tim.....

Post by Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI

Post by tim.....
transgressor in court

My advice is always appeal any parking "invoice" from these cowboys.
If your appeal is rejected contact www.popla.co.uk (Parking on Private
Land Appeals). Even if they also reject your appeal they still invoice
the parking cowboys (£27 per appeal, I'm told) and so reduce their profits.
POPLA does not charge the motorist for making an appeal.
Enough successful appeals could even bankrupt the parking cowboys.
Win, win.

whilst I accept that some of the tactics used by these companies are
dodgy the unfortunate fact is that there is a need for them
As a habitual purchaser of town centre flats (one at a time, not
consecutively) everywhere that I have lived has had a problem with
shoppers etc. thinking that my space, one that I actually have
"ownership" of, to park my car in is a valid "free for all" parking
space - when it is not.
How are we supposed to police such unreasonable, greedy, rude, selfish,
arrogant behaviour except by being allowed to "fine" transgressors?
Putting up gates/barriers etc. is not always practical, and sometimes not
even allowed.

I sympathise with you and, personally, would not dream of parking in an
obviously private space. I'm sure you will agree, however, that parking
in a supermarket car park for a few minutes beyond the allotted time
while still either trudging up and down the aisles or queuing at a
checkout is a different matter.

[Judith]

Post by Mike Swift

Post by Ophelia
The car park in Northallerton has nothing like that. There are no machines
only signs warning they will contact DVLC to get your address and send
you a fine if you stay longer than 2 hours. Up here in my area, we don't
have any car park charges (and no restrictions in any of them, not even in
Tesco) and yes, I know we are very lucky.

FFS, only the courts can *fine* you, they issue and invoice, what you do
with it is up to you.
Mike

Forgive her: she is not that bright. (She usually gets her husband to make
posts in her name as she tells him what she wants to say, as she fucks up more
often than not when she posts more than the three letters LOL ;-)

[Bod]

Post by Judith

Post by Mike Swift

Post by Ophelia
The car park in Northallerton has nothing like that. There are no machines
only signs warning they will contact DVLC to get your address and send
you a fine if you stay longer than 2 hours. Up here in my area, we don't
have any car park charges (and no restrictions in any of them, not even in
Tesco) and yes, I know we are very lucky.

FFS, only the courts can *fine* you, they issue and invoice, what you do
with it is up to you.
Mike

Forgive her: she is not that bright. (She usually gets her husband to make
posts in her name as she tells him what she wants to say, as she fucks up more
often than not when she posts more than the three letters LOL ;-)

You're a sick person, in fact you must be close to brain dead, Ophelia
is ok.

[Ophelia]

Post by Judith

Post by Mike Swift

Post by Ophelia
The car park in Northallerton has nothing like that. There are no machines
only signs warning they will contact DVLC to get your address and send
you a fine if you stay longer than 2 hours. Up here in my area, we don't
have any car park charges (and no restrictions in any of them, not even in
Tesco) and yes, I know we are very lucky.

FFS, only the courts can *fine* you, they issue and invoice, what you do
with it is up to you.
Mike

Forgive her: she is not that bright. (She usually gets her husband to make
posts in her name as she tells him what she wants to say, as she fucks up more
often than not when she posts more than the three letters LOL ;-)

You're a sick person, in fact you must be close to brain dead, Ophelia is
ok.

Thanks, Bod

[Bod]

Post by Ophelia

Post by Bod

On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 00:21:28 +0100, Mike Swift

Post by Mike Swift

Post by Ophelia
The car park in Northallerton has nothing like that. There are no machines
only signs warning they will contact DVLC to get your address and send
you a fine if you stay longer than 2 hours. Up here in my area, we don't
have any car park charges (and no restrictions in any of them, not even in
Tesco) and yes, I know we are very lucky.

FFS, only the courts can *fine* you, they issue and invoice, what you do
with it is up to you.
Mike

Forgive her: she is not that bright. (She usually gets her husband to make
posts in her name as she tells him what she wants to say, as she fucks up more
often than not when she posts more than the three letters LOL ;-)

You're a sick person, in fact you must be close to brain dead, Ophelia
is ok.

Thanks, Bod

You're welcome, Ophelia.

[MM]

On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 20:01:14 +0100, "Ophelia"

Post by Ophelia

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Does this ANPR happen in any other Tesco stores car parks?

Yes. There is a Tesco car park we use in Northallerton and you are allowed
2 hours free. That gives plenty of time to shop in the main street too.

He asked "this ANPR", implying that he meant the kind involving
coupons.

MM

[Martin Brown]

Post by Ophelia

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Does this ANPR happen in any other Tesco stores car parks?

Yes. There is a Tesco car park we use in Northallerton and you are
allowed 2 hours free. That gives plenty of time to shop in the main
street too.

That isn't ANPR it is ground based magnetic sensors under the spaces.

Competitive parking in there has become ever more fierce since the
council started charging for parking on the high street (and elsewhere).
I fully expect to see people come to blows over spaces!

Quite a few motorway services are using ANPR now.

[Bod]

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Ophelia

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Does this ANPR happen in any other Tesco stores car parks?

Yes. There is a Tesco car park we use in Northallerton and you are
allowed 2 hours free. That gives plenty of time to shop in the main
street too.

That isn't ANPR it is ground based magnetic sensors under the spaces.
Competitive parking in there has become ever more fierce since the
council started charging for parking on the high street (and elsewhere).
I fully expect to see people come to blows over spaces!
Quite a few motorway services are using ANPR now.

I can easily see why people park in Tescos for free and shop elsewhere.
Prior to us going to Tescos that day, we used a pay car park for another
premises we needed to visit. £2.10p for *1 hour*. Daylight robbery.

[Ophelia]

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Ophelia
Yes. There is a Tesco car park we use in Northallerton and you are
allowed 2 hours free. That gives plenty of time to shop in the main
street too.

That isn't ANPR it is ground based magnetic sensors under the spaces.

Oh! I supposed the cameras were ANPR. I wonder what those cameras for.

Post by Martin Brown
Competitive parking in there has become ever more fierce since the council
started charging for parking on the high street (and elsewhere). I fully
expect to see people come to blows over spaces!

You know Northallerton? Have you been into Ripon lately??? Boy they are
really hot on parking and you can't walk anywhere without seeing a warden!
It used to be so gentle there and the square was free parking but timed.

Incidentally, are you saying they are charging for parking in the street
now? Oh! I just told someone it was still disc parking in the street.

[Martin Brown]

Post by Ophelia

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Ophelia
Yes. There is a Tesco car park we use in Northallerton and you are
allowed 2 hours free. That gives plenty of time to shop in the main
street too.

That isn't ANPR it is ground based magnetic sensors under the spaces.

Oh! I supposed the cameras were ANPR. I wonder what those cameras for.

Haven't been in Northallerton Tescos for a bit but that carpark has
always been a contest for finding a spot. It is now much much worse.

Post by Ophelia

Post by Martin Brown
Competitive parking in there has become ever more fierce since the council
started charging for parking on the high street (and elsewhere). I fully
expect to see people come to blows over spaces!

You know Northallerton? Have you been into Ripon lately??? Boy they are

There is a 30min free parking now but I think you have to get a ticket.
In summer we park some distance out at Sainsbury and walk in.

Post by Ophelia
really hot on parking and you can't walk anywhere without seeing a warden!
It used to be so gentle there and the square was free parking but timed.

Worst I have seen are Yarm where the wardens are practically hovering in
every doorway waiting to zap you for anything at all. They are
particularly hot on fines for not parking within the narrow bays and
keep relaying the cobbles to make them narrower every year.

Post by Ophelia
Incidentally, are you saying they are charging for parking in the street
now? Oh! I just told someone it was still disc parking in the street.

Dunno. Haven't used street parking there for ages. I think you have to
get a ticket from the machine but that first 30 mins is free.
Shopkeepers have been moaning about loss of customers as a result.

[Graham.]

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Does this ANPR happen in any other Tesco stores car parks?

Yes some Asda stores use ANPR, they also have an electrified fences
around their loading docks. The machine-gun emplacements may have been
in my imagination.

[MM]

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Does this ANPR happen in any other Tesco stores car parks?

ANPR yes, but not the coupons yet near Spalding.

But it's amazing how Tesco always seem to come up with new ways to
piss off their customers when, espeically now, they should be bending
over backwards to humour them. Whether it's the incessant "Would you
like any help with your packing?" or the introduction of self-service
checkouts or now coupons to retrieve your car, Tesco never had and
still doesn't have any inkling of what being customer-friendly means.

They even have the nerve to name their crappy tablet after the little
huddles of junior management meetings on the shop floor.

MM

[AndyW]

Post by MM
They even have the nerve to name their crappy tablet after the little
huddles of junior management meetings on the shop floor.

It is actually a cracking little tablet for the money, remarkably
unencumbered from Supplied software unlike my Samsung tablet.
I'm upgrading to the second version this week.
With doubled up vouchers it should cost me about £60.

Andy

[MM]

Post by AndyW

Post by MM
They even have the nerve to name their crappy tablet after the little
huddles of junior management meetings on the shop floor.

It is actually a cracking little tablet for the money, remarkably
unencumbered from Supplied software unlike my Samsung tablet.
I'm upgrading to the second version this week.
With doubled up vouchers it should cost me about £60.

"remarkably unencumbered" could be a way of saying "low on spec".

MM

[AndyW]

Post by MM

Post by AndyW

Post by MM
They even have the nerve to name their crappy tablet after the little
huddles of junior management meetings on the shop floor.

It is actually a cracking little tablet for the money, remarkably
unencumbered from Supplied software unlike my Samsung tablet.
I'm upgrading to the second version this week.
With doubled up vouchers it should cost me about £60.

"remarkably unencumbered" could be a way of saying "low on spec".

No it means that Tesco do not foist a load of their own software onto it.
My Samsung phone has software for the same function supplied by Google,
Samsung and Vodafone - in some cases all running in memory at the same
time.
Ditto with my Samsung tablet, with time and updates extra stuff slowly
gets added that bloats and eats up the memory so that even just starting
up my galaxy tab 2 uses most of the ram. I fail to see why I cannot
uninstall the Samsung video player, music service and app store if I
want to.
Rooting the tablet works but Samsung don't seem to like it.

The Hudl has Blinkbox and Tesco shopping apps installed but they do not
auto load meaning that I have a lot of free ram.
It is a lower spec tablet but for the money it is outstanding. For most
applications it works just fine, for higher end gaming it struggles but
then I don't do higher end gaming so it is fine for me.
The new hudl 2 comes with a much higher spec. With a 32gb SD card full
of music and one full of movies and I am ready for my holiday.

Andy

[MM]

Post by AndyW
The Hudl has Blinkbox and Tesco shopping apps installed

aaarrrgghhh!

More than enough reason NOT to buy one, then!

MM

[Bod]

Post by MM

Post by AndyW

Post by MM
They even have the nerve to name their crappy tablet after the little
huddles of junior management meetings on the shop floor.

It is actually a cracking little tablet for the money, remarkably
unencumbered from Supplied software unlike my Samsung tablet.
I'm upgrading to the second version this week.
With doubled up vouchers it should cost me about £60.

"remarkably unencumbered" could be a way of saying "low on spec".
MM

Not according to the many reviews I've read about the Hudl2.
They all say how good it is, including the specs.

[tim.....]

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Does this ANPR happen in any other Tesco stores car parks?

Aldi In Ashford are now doing this as everybody used to take advantage of
the 90 minutes parking to park there and walk to the high street shops.

Though at least there, the process of matching your reg up with a picture of
your car is done at the checkout by the cashier

(AIUI this car park is shared with a local gym and I guess that they have
the same access arrangements, even though the signs don't say so)

tim

["Nightjar]

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Does this ANPR happen in any other Tesco stores car parks?

ANPR is routinely used to regulate parking time, but I've not come
across the voucher idea. Possibly that is because around here, main
Tesco stores are all out-of-town, so not very convenient for shopping
elsewhere.

[Bod]

Post by "Nightjar

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Does this ANPR happen in any other Tesco stores car parks?

ANPR is routinely used to regulate parking time, but I've not come
across the voucher idea. Possibly that is because around here, main
Tesco stores are all out-of-town, so not very convenient for shopping
elsewhere.

Yes, that wouldn't be a issue in those stores.
My gripe though, is the method that this particular store uses.
I could see that it was alienating shoppers. Everyone I spoke to was
irritated by the inconvenience, including my wife and I. The last thing
you want to do when you've just done a large shop is to have to queue up
AGAIN, just to get out without the threat of being fined.
They need to think of a better hassle free method if they aren't going
to lose a lot more customers, IMO.

["Nightjar]

Post by Bod

Post by "Nightjar

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Does this ANPR happen in any other Tesco stores car parks?

ANPR is routinely used to regulate parking time, but I've not come
across the voucher idea. Possibly that is because around here, main
Tesco stores are all out-of-town, so not very convenient for shopping
elsewhere.

Yes, that wouldn't be a issue in those stores.
My gripe though, is the method that this particular store uses.
I could see that it was alienating shoppers. Everyone I spoke to was
irritated by the inconvenience, including my wife and I. The last thing
you want to do when you've just done a large shop is to have to queue up
AGAIN, just to get out without the threat of being fined.
They need to think of a better hassle free method if they aren't going
to lose a lot more customers, IMO.

It would make more sense for it to be part of the checkout-process,
although that would rely upon people knowing their car registration
numbers. The recent introduction of ANPR for charging in a local Council
car park shows that many don't. I probably wouldn't, if typing the
number into pay and display machines hadn't been a feature of Council
car parks for the past couple of years.

[Steve O]

Post by "Nightjar
It would make more sense for it to be part of the checkout-process,
although that would rely upon people knowing their car registration
numbers.

Well, actually, it would be better if they started worrying about who
was using their car parks less, and worrying more about whether or not
they were offering good value and good service their customers instead.

[Bod]

Post by Steve O

Post by "Nightjar
It would make more sense for it to be part of the checkout-process,
although that would rely upon people knowing their car registration
numbers.

Well, actually, it would be better if they started worrying about who
was using their car parks less, and worrying more about whether or not
they were offering good value and good service their customers instead.

I totally agree. I also don't see why they place so much emphasis on
who parks there, especially as I *always* find a place to park, so I
don't see why they are so pedantic about this, which is really a *non
issue* for them. They are actually creating an issue that will backfire
on them, IMO. I saw lots of angry and frustrated faces.

["Nightjar]

Post by Steve O

Post by "Nightjar
It would make more sense for it to be part of the checkout-process,
although that would rely upon people knowing their car registration
numbers.

Well, actually, it would be better if they started worrying about who
was using their car parks less, and worrying more about whether or not
they were offering good value and good service their customers instead.

I would view providing adequate car parking to be part of that. I am
also likely not to go in if the car park looks full, as that implies
long queues at the checkout.

[tim.....]

Post by Steve O

Post by "Nightjar
It would make more sense for it to be part of the checkout-process,
although that would rely upon people knowing their car registration
numbers.

Well, actually, it would be better if they started worrying about who
was using their car parks less, and worrying more about whether or not
they were offering good value and good service their customers instead.

I would view providing adequate car parking to be part of that. I am also
likely not to go in if the car park looks full, as that implies long
queues at the checkout.

you, somewhat obviously, don't live in one of the thousands of towns around
the country where there is no space at all for a supermarket to provide
their own parking

tim

[Ian Jackson]

Post by tim.....

Post by "Nightjar

Post by Steve O

Post by "Nightjar
It would make more sense for it to be part of the checkout-process,
although that would rely upon people knowing their car registration
numbers.

Well, actually, it would be better if they started worrying about who
was using their car parks less, and worrying more about whether or not
they were offering good value and good service their customers instead.

I would view providing adequate car parking to be part of that. I am
also likely not to go in if the car park looks full, as that implies
long queues at the checkout.

you, somewhat obviously, don't live in one of the thousands of towns
around the country where there is no space at all for a supermarket to
provide their own parking

It's fairly immaterial as to whether a carpark is one for the general
public, or whether it is provided by the supermarket. There important
thing is for there to BE a carpark. However, these days, if there is no
public parking, and there is no space for the supermarket to provide
one, it's highly unlikely that the supermarket would get planning
permission to be built.

[tim.....]

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by tim.....

Post by "Nightjar

Post by Steve O

Post by "Nightjar
It would make more sense for it to be part of the checkout-process,
although that would rely upon people knowing their car registration
numbers.

Well, actually, it would be better if they started worrying about who
was using their car parks less, and worrying more about whether or not
they were offering good value and good service their customers instead.

I would view providing adequate car parking to be part of that. I am
also likely not to go in if the car park looks full, as that implies
long queues at the checkout.

you, somewhat obviously, don't live in one of the thousands of towns
around the country where there is no space at all for a supermarket to
provide their own parking

It's fairly immaterial as to whether a carpark is one for the general
public, or whether it is provided by the supermarket. There important
thing is for there to BE a carpark.

well yes

but if it's a general car park for the whole town centre, the fullness of
the car park cannot be used as an indicator of the length of the checkout
queues in the supermarket

tim

["Nightjar]

Post by tim.....

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by tim.....

Post by "Nightjar

Post by Steve O

Post by "Nightjar
It would make more sense for it to be part of the checkout-process,
although that would rely upon people knowing their car registration
numbers.

Well, actually, it would be better if they started worrying about who
was using their car parks less, and worrying more about whether or not
they were offering good value and good service their customers instead.

I would view providing adequate car parking to be part of that. I am
also likely not to go in if the car park looks full, as that
implies long queues at the checkout.

you, somewhat obviously, don't live in one of the thousands of towns
around the country where there is no space at all for a supermarket
to provide their own parking

It's fairly immaterial as to whether a carpark is one for the general
public, or whether it is provided by the supermarket. There important
thing is for there to BE a carpark.

well yes
but if it's a general car park for the whole town centre, the fullness
of the car park cannot be used as an indicator of the length of the
checkout queues in the supermarket

Actually, it is still quite a good indicator for one of the town centre
supermarkets I know that is served by a public car park, unless you go
on a Friday, when the town centre market is on.

[Martin Brown]

Post by "Nightjar

Post by tim.....

Post by Ian Jackson
It's fairly immaterial as to whether a carpark is one for the general
public, or whether it is provided by the supermarket. There important
thing is for there to BE a carpark.

Sometimes you get carparks provided by typically of the Coop that are
blatantly abused by people who park there all day for free and then go
into town by bus. Carpark full but noone in the shop! I don't blame any
of Booths, Sainsbury or Tesco for policing their max stay to 2 hours.

Post by "Nightjar

Post by tim.....
well yes
but if it's a general car park for the whole town centre, the fullness
of the car park cannot be used as an indicator of the length of the
checkout queues in the supermarket

Actually, it is still quite a good indicator for one of the town centre
supermarkets I know that is served by a public car park, unless you go
on a Friday, when the town centre market is on.

There are some where Tescos have miscalculated their car parking
provision by a factor of three or more. The Salford Precinct one springs
to mind as a huge empty carpark with a supermarket attached.

["Nightjar]

On 20/10/2014 16:36, Martin Brown wrote:
...

Post by Martin Brown
There are some where Tescos have miscalculated their car parking
provision by a factor of three or more. The Salford Precinct one springs
to mind as a huge empty carpark with a supermarket attached.

That may be provision for future expansion, rather than a
miscalculation. My local Tesco has expanded into its car park twice
since it was built and they still had to have enough space left to
provide one car parking space for every nine square metres of shop space
to getting planning approval for the expansions.

[Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI]

Post by "Nightjar
...

Post by Martin Brown
There are some where Tescos have miscalculated their car parking
provision by a factor of three or more. The Salford Precinct one springs
to mind as a huge empty carpark with a supermarket attached.

That may be provision for future expansion, rather than a
miscalculation. My local Tesco has expanded into its car park twice
since it was built and they still had to have enough space left to
provide one car parking space for every nine square metres of shop space
to getting planning approval for the expansions.

The Sainsbury car park at Watchmoor Park, Camberley is about 50%
disabled bays. These are mostly empty with only the occasional
wheelchair user visible in the store.

["Nightjar]

Post by tim.....

Post by "Nightjar

Post by Steve O

Post by "Nightjar
It would make more sense for it to be part of the checkout-process,
although that would rely upon people knowing their car registration
numbers.

Well, actually, it would be better if they started worrying about who
was using their car parks less, and worrying more about whether or not
they were offering good value and good service their customers instead.

I would view providing adequate car parking to be part of that. I am
also likely not to go in if the car park looks full, as that implies
long queues at the checkout.

you, somewhat obviously, don't live in one of the thousands of towns
around the country where there is no space at all for a supermarket to
provide their own parking

I think I mentioned earlier that most supermarkets in my area are
out-of-town. Even in towns, I can only think of two that do not provide
their own parking and both are adjacent to large public car parks, where
you can park free for at least an hour.

[Martin Brown]

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.

I actually hate carparks where you have to type your car number plate in
with a vengence as the queues are insanely long at busy times and when
one key that is in your registration is broken what do you do?
(probably an offence but I try to avoid these carparks now)

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Does this ANPR happen in any other Tesco stores car parks?

ANPR is routine on the Saisnburys carpark on Regent Road just outside
Manchester (otherwise people would park there for free all day), but it
is restricted to saying "Hello AB15CDE" and "Goodbye AB15CDE" as you
leave. It automatic in and out there is no pratting around at all.

[Bod]

Post by Martin Brown

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.

I actually hate carparks where you have to type your car number plate in
with a vengence as the queues are insanely long at busy times and when
one key that is in your registration is broken what do you do?
(probably an offence but I try to avoid these carparks now)

Post by Bod

Post by Bod
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Does this ANPR happen in any other Tesco stores car parks?

ANPR is routine on the Saisnburys carpark on Regent Road just outside
Manchester (otherwise people would park there for free all day), but it
is restricted to saying "Hello AB15CDE" and "Goodbye AB15CDE" as you
leave. It automatic in and out there is no pratting around at all.

That sounds a sensible idea.

[Jethro_uk]

Post by Martin Brown
ANPR is routine on the Saisnburys carpark on Regent Road just outside
Manchester (otherwise people would park there for free all day), but it
is restricted to saying "Hello AB15CDE" and "Goodbye AB15CDE" as you
leave. It automatic in and out there is no pratting around at all.

Same at the new Longbridge Sainsburys. What is more interesting is the
fact that the site around the store is designated "mixed use" so you have
cars, bikes and pedestrians sharing the space with no priority. Will be
interesting in winter ...

[Tony Dragon]

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Or of course you could just ignore it.

Another idea that Tesco might like to try is to ask for your reg when
you pay & then they can exclude your car from the list of unauthorised
parkers.

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Post by Tony Dragon

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Or of course you could just ignore it.
Another idea that Tesco might like to try is to ask for your reg when
you pay & then they can exclude your car from the list of unauthorised
parkers.

All Tesco are doing is alienating their customers. Like I said earlier,
there was only two
machines and both had queues of confused and agitated people waiting. A
Polish woman was getting upset because she couldn't remember her car
reg. She asked a Tesco employee what she should do, he said you'll have
to go back to your car and write it down and come back. She had a
pushchair with a baby plus two toddlers and several bags of shopping.
It was a long walk to her car
Is it any wonder that Tesco profits are diving!

[MM]

Post by Bod

Post by Tony Dragon

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Or of course you could just ignore it.
Another idea that Tesco might like to try is to ask for your reg when
you pay & then they can exclude your car from the list of unauthorised
parkers.

All Tesco are doing is alienating their customers. Like I said earlier,
there was only two
machines and both had queues of confused and agitated people waiting. A
Polish woman was getting upset because she couldn't remember her car
reg. She asked a Tesco employee what she should do, he said you'll have
to go back to your car and write it down and come back. She had a
pushchair with a baby plus two toddlers and several bags of shopping.
It was a long walk to her car
Is it any wonder that Tesco profits are diving!

I hope they omitted to pack any rescue equipment!

MM

[Steve O]

Post by MM

Post by Bod

Post by Tony Dragon

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Or of course you could just ignore it.
Another idea that Tesco might like to try is to ask for your reg when
you pay & then they can exclude your car from the list of unauthorised
parkers.

All Tesco are doing is alienating their customers. Like I said earlier,
there was only two
machines and both had queues of confused and agitated people waiting. A
Polish woman was getting upset because she couldn't remember her car
reg. She asked a Tesco employee what she should do, he said you'll have
to go back to your car and write it down and come back. She had a
pushchair with a baby plus two toddlers and several bags of shopping.
It was a long walk to her car
Is it any wonder that Tesco profits are diving!

I hope they omitted to pack any rescue equipment!
MM

Tesco have definitely "Jumped the Shark."
At one time I shopped there because I really liked their products and
their prices.
Then my attitude was, " Well, there's a lot of overpriced things but
they still do some things really cheap, so it balances out"
My attitude these days is "Fuck 'em- they're just a rip off"

[Graham.]

Post by Bod

Post by Tony Dragon

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Or of course you could just ignore it.
Another idea that Tesco might like to try is to ask for your reg when
you pay & then they can exclude your car from the list of unauthorised
parkers.

All Tesco are doing is alienating their customers. Like I said earlier,
there was only two
machines and both had queues of confused and agitated people waiting. A
Polish woman was getting upset because she couldn't remember her car
reg. She asked a Tesco employee what she should do, he said you'll have
to go back to your car and write it down and come back. She had a
pushchair with a baby plus two toddlers and several bags of shopping.
It was a long walk to her car
Is it any wonder that Tesco profits are diving!

Every Little Helps (tm)

[Bod]

Post by Graham.

Post by Bod

Post by Tony Dragon

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Or of course you could just ignore it.
Another idea that Tesco might like to try is to ask for your reg when
you pay & then they can exclude your car from the list of unauthorised
parkers.

All Tesco are doing is alienating their customers. Like I said earlier,
there was only two
machines and both had queues of confused and agitated people waiting. A
Polish woman was getting upset because she couldn't remember her car
reg. She asked a Tesco employee what she should do, he said you'll have
to go back to your car and write it down and come back. She had a
pushchair with a baby plus two toddlers and several bags of shopping.
It was a long walk to her car
Is it any wonder that Tesco profits are diving!

Every Little Helps (tm)

:-)

[MM]

Post by Graham.

Post by Bod

Post by Tony Dragon

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Or of course you could just ignore it.
Another idea that Tesco might like to try is to ask for your reg when
you pay & then they can exclude your car from the list of unauthorised
parkers.

All Tesco are doing is alienating their customers. Like I said earlier,
there was only two
machines and both had queues of confused and agitated people waiting. A
Polish woman was getting upset because she couldn't remember her car
reg. She asked a Tesco employee what she should do, he said you'll have
to go back to your car and write it down and come back. She had a
pushchair with a baby plus two toddlers and several bags of shopping.
It was a long walk to her car
Is it any wonder that Tesco profits are diving!

Every Little Helps (tm)

...them to sink deeper into the waves!

MM

[Steve O]

Post by Tony Dragon

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.
*I've crossposted this to uk rec driving*.

Or of course you could just ignore it.
Another idea that Tesco might like to try is to ask for your reg when
you pay & then they can exclude your car from the list of unauthorised
parkers.

I would imagine it would be almost impossible for them to enforce a list
of unauthorized parkers anyway.

[Graham.]

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.

That system has been in use at some Tesco and Asda stores for a few
years now, but for *visitors* who are working at the store as
contractors, and are likely to overstay the time limit for customers.
Customers should not get a PCN if they drive out within the time
limit.

This is the first time I have heard of ordinary customers having to
use the terminal.

What happens if you go and don't buy anything?

Tesco, isn't that the store that is in danger of going under if it
doesn't get its act together?

[MM]

Post by Graham.

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.

That system has been in use at some Tesco and Asda stores for a few
years now, but for *visitors* who are working at the store as
contractors, and are likely to overstay the time limit for customers.
Customers should not get a PCN if they drive out within the time
limit.
This is the first time I have heard of ordinary customers having to
use the terminal.
What happens if you go and don't buy anything?

Well, then! In Tesco's eyes you're not a customer! They're saying:
Park in our car park for free IF you're a customer, otherwise we're
gonna sting you from some dosh. No wonder people are turning more and
more to shopping online.

Post by Graham.
Tesco, isn't that the store that is in danger of going under if it
doesn't get its act together?

In the past week that danger seems to be reaching boiling point as
more senior managers are suspended, the share price falls again and
Warren Buffet sells 245 million Tesco shares, saying that his decision
to invest in Tesco had been a "huge mistake".

We could hold a competition as to which company will take over the
empty stores once Tesco folds. My money is on ASDA for many, and Aldi
for the smaller ones (the Germans don't have massive hypermarkets like
the UK or France).

MM

[Bod]

Post by MM

Post by Graham.

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.

That system has been in use at some Tesco and Asda stores for a few
years now, but for *visitors* who are working at the store as
contractors, and are likely to overstay the time limit for customers.
Customers should not get a PCN if they drive out within the time
limit.
This is the first time I have heard of ordinary customers having to
use the terminal.
What happens if you go and don't buy anything?

Park in our car park for free IF you're a customer, otherwise we're
gonna sting you from some dosh. No wonder people are turning more and
more to shopping online.

Post by Graham.
Tesco, isn't that the store that is in danger of going under if it
doesn't get its act together?

In the past week that danger seems to be reaching boiling point as
more senior managers are suspended, the share price falls again and
Warren Buffet sells 245 million Tesco shares, saying that his decision
to invest in Tesco had been a "huge mistake".
We could hold a competition as to which company will take over the
empty stores once Tesco folds. My money is on ASDA for many, and Aldi
for the smaller ones (the Germans don't have massive hypermarkets like
the UK or France).
MM

I find that ASDA are much cheaper on most items anyway.
Usually I avoid shopping in Slough like the plague.
The only reason we went to the Slough Tesco was because we were already
in Slough on business and they were doing Nestles Cappuccino at half
price. I loves me cappuccinos, so we bought about 3 months supply :-)

[Ian Jackson]

Post by MM

Post by Graham.
This is the first time I have heard of ordinary customers having to
use the terminal.
What happens if you go and don't buy anything?

Park in our car park for free IF you're a customer, otherwise we're
gonna sting you from some dosh. No wonder people are turning more and
more to shopping online.

Like the other situations I mentioned, presumably, the intention is to
not to charge you if you're a bona fide customer, and to charge you the
going rate if you're not.

That seems reasonably fair to me, provided they also allow a reasonable
amount of initial time free. This would allow for the obvious situation
when you find they haven't got what you went there for, or only want
something which is less than the qualifying 'minimum spend'.

The main quibble I have with some of these carparks is the 'No return
for X hours' rule. Although I have broken this rule several times, so
far (eg when comparing price and availability with what the shop down
the road has), I have never had a problem with this - presumably because
they use a man wandering round taking registration
numbers, and not ANPR cameras

[Ron]

The Tesco car park in my town is within walking distance of the local
football ground.

It used to have a 2 hour parking limit.

Recently it was changed to a 3.5 hour limit.

I wonder why?

[Steve O]

Post by Ian Jackson
The main quibble I have with some of these carparks is the 'No return
for X hours' rule. Although I have broken this rule several times, so
far (eg when comparing price and availability with what the shop down
the road has), I have never had a problem with this - presumably because
they use a man wandering round taking registration
numbers, and not ANPR cameras

You know, I really don't know why these companies are worrying about who
is using their car parks at all.
They never used to- as far as they were concerned, anyone parking there
is a potential customer,and their car parks are usually big enough to
accomodate anyone.
I've never found myself in a position where I have been unable to park
in a supermarket car park, so why are they worrying about it?
There are more than enough short term customers leaving spaces to give
them any concern about people parking there for more than a couple of
hours or more, surely?
I can accept that there might be one or two places which are closely
situated to railway stations, business parks etc who do get their car
parks full of freeloaders but they must be the exception rather than the
rule?

[tim.....]

Post by Steve O

Post by Ian Jackson
The main quibble I have with some of these carparks is the 'No return
for X hours' rule. Although I have broken this rule several times, so
far (eg when comparing price and availability with what the shop down
the road has), I have never had a problem with this - presumably because
they use a man wandering round taking registration
numbers, and not ANPR cameras

You know, I really don't know why these companies are worrying about who
is using their car parks at all.
They never used to- as far as they were concerned, anyone parking there is
a potential customer,and their car parks are usually big enough to
accomodate anyone.

whilst I agree with you for these out of town estates who seem to have taken
to enforcing parking as nothing other than a profit centre,

Slough Tesco is in the centre of town, 2 minutes walk away from the high
street shops and dozens of large office blocks. Not to mention the railway
station.

Their car park would be full in an instance if they didn't restrict parking
to "customers only"

One size doesn't fit all!

tim

[michael adams]

Post by MM

Post by Graham.
Tesco, isn't that the store that is in danger of going under if it
doesn't get its act together?

In the past week that danger seems to be reaching boiling point as
more senior managers are suspended, the share price falls again and
Warren Buffet sells 245 million Tesco shares, saying that his decision
to invest in Tesco had been a "huge mistake".
We could hold a competition as to which company will take over the
empty stores once Tesco folds.
MM

"Tesco has reported a 6% fall in group trading annual profit to £3.3bn
as it continues to lose market share to discount rivals."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27046105

To repeat: £3.3 billion profit.


Amazon: founded 1994.

Total profits after 20 years of trading £0, $0 , zilch, zero

Will Amazon ever be profitable?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/10990659/Will-Amazon-ever-be-profitable.html


HTH




michael adams

...

[MM]

On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 16:06:35 +0100, "michael adams"

Post by michael adams

Post by MM

Post by Graham.
Tesco, isn't that the store that is in danger of going under if it
doesn't get its act together?

In the past week that danger seems to be reaching boiling point as
more senior managers are suspended, the share price falls again and
Warren Buffet sells 245 million Tesco shares, saying that his decision
to invest in Tesco had been a "huge mistake".
We could hold a competition as to which company will take over the
empty stores once Tesco folds.
MM

"Tesco has reported a 6% fall in group trading annual profit to £3.3bn
as it continues to lose market share to discount rivals."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27046105
To repeat: £3.3 billion profit.
Amazon: founded 1994.
Total profits after 20 years of trading £0, $0 , zilch, zero
Will Amazon ever be profitable?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/10990659/Will-Amazon-ever-be-profitable.html
HTH

Seems to me that Amazon have their heads screwed on, because no profit
= no tax!

Re Tesco, you must have missed where it said:
"as it continues to lose market share to discount rivals"

MM

[michael adams]

Post by MM
On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 16:06:35 +0100, "michael adams"

Post by michael adams

Post by MM

Post by Graham.
Tesco, isn't that the store that is in danger of going under if it
doesn't get its act together?

In the past week that danger seems to be reaching boiling point as
more senior managers are suspended, the share price falls again and
Warren Buffet sells 245 million Tesco shares, saying that his decision
to invest in Tesco had been a "huge mistake".
We could hold a competition as to which company will take over the
empty stores once Tesco folds.
MM

"Tesco has reported a 6% fall in group trading annual profit to £3.3bn
as it continues to lose market share to discount rivals."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27046105
To repeat: £3.3 billion profit.
Amazon: founded 1994.
Total profits after 20 years of trading £0, $0 , zilch, zero
Will Amazon ever be profitable?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/10990659/Will-Amazon-ever-be-profitable.html
HTH

Seems to me that Amazon have their heads screwed on, because no profit
= no tax!
"as it continues to lose market share to discount rivals"
MM

<quote>

Tuesday 11 March 2014 13.38 GMT

The latest data from Kantar Worldpanel shows Tesco's market share
dropped to 28.7% in the 12 weeks to 2 March. That compares with
29.6% a year ago and turns back the clock to late 2004 when the
retailer was in the ascendant. At its peak, in October 2007,
Tesco's share hit 31.8%.

</quote>

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/mar/11/tesco-market-share-shrinks-lowest-level-decade-aldi-supermarket

So the most market share it's ever lost, is 3% over 7 years.
31.8% to 28.7%.

Regardless of who that was to.

The fact that the discounters are showing a large percentage
gain in their "own" market share is due to the fact that they're
starting from a much smaller base.

A small corner grocery store which opened another branch would double
its market within a year.

The Warren Buffett remarks can only be judged in the context of
when he bought, and at what price.

If he'd applied his well known principles to Tesco he'd have
bought 20 or more years ago and sold out at just past their peak.

The fact that he's apparently been caught with his trousers down
is hardly a ringing endorsement.


michael adams

...

[tim.....]

Post by MM
On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 16:06:35 +0100, "michael adams"

Post by michael adams
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/10990659/Will-Amazon-ever-be-profitable.html
HTH

Seems to me that Amazon have their heads screwed on, because no profit
= no tax!

No profit usually = no shareholder returns = nobody willing to invest as a
shareholder

Quite how Amazon have managed to buck this trend is anyone's guess

tim

[Jethro_uk]

Post by tim.....

Post by MM
On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 16:06:35 +0100, "michael adams"

Post by michael adams
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/

retailandconsumer/10990659/Will-Amazon-ever-be-profitable.html

Post by tim.....

Post by MM

Post by michael adams
HTH

Seems to me that Amazon have their heads screwed on, because no profit
= no tax!

No profit usually = no shareholder returns = nobody willing to invest as
a shareholder
Quite how Amazon have managed to buck this trend is anyone's guess
tim

By not having shareholders ?

"Profit" is a moveable feast. Amazon may have billions of of dollars of
bank loans it can offset any income against - wiping out "profit".

[tim.....]

Post by michael adams

Post by tim.....

Post by MM
On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 16:06:35 +0100, "michael adams"

Post by michael adams
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/

retailandconsumer/10990659/Will-Amazon-ever-be-profitable.html

Post by tim.....

Post by MM

Post by michael adams
HTH

Seems to me that Amazon have their heads screwed on, because no profit
= no tax!

No profit usually = no shareholder returns = nobody willing to invest as
a shareholder
Quite how Amazon have managed to buck this trend is anyone's guess
tim

By not having shareholders ?

Ticker code AMZN

current price 302 dollars

number of shares traded today[1] 1,763,588

Market Cap $ 140,158,654,879

(so that makes 464,101,506. shares in circulation[2])

tim

[1] it's not obvious whether that "today" is the last complete day (Friday)
or whether it's volume traded so far on Monday.

[2] Though it's not clear if that includes the director's holdings that
aren't really "in circulation"

[Henry P]

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.

So you expect a retailer to offer you free parking while you shop elsewhere?

[Ian Jackson]

Post by Henry P

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.

So you expect a retailer to offer you free parking while you shop elsewhere?

Planning permission for a large supermarket is almost certainly
contingent on them providing adequate parking, and sometimes this also
has to be reasonably available for non-customers to use.

[Henry P]

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Henry P

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.

So you expect a retailer to offer you free parking while you shop elsewhere?

Planning permission for a large supermarket is almost certainly
contingent on them providing adequate parking, and sometimes this also
has to be reasonably available for non-customers to use.

For free? I doubt it.

[Ian Jackson]

Post by Henry P

Post by Ian Jackson

Post by Henry P

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.

So you expect a retailer to offer you free parking while you shop elsewhere?

Planning permission for a large supermarket is almost certainly
contingent on them providing adequate parking, and sometimes this also
has to be reasonably available for non-customers to use.

For free? I doubt it.

I didn't say 'for free' - but my two most-local supermarket carparks are
certainly totally free-for-all. I know one has a time limit (2 hours?),
but not sure if there's any 'no return' rule. It has a very visible (and
sociable) guy who always goes round entering car numbers in the machine
he carries.

[Steve O]

Post by Henry P

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.

So you expect a retailer to offer you free parking while you shop elsewhere?

Why not?
They should be grateful for the foot-fall.

[Bod]

Post by Henry P

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.
If you don't, apparently you'll receive a fine through the post.
It's obviously to stop drivers using the Tesco car park and then going
to other shops, but what a hassle. Don't think I'll bother shopping
there anymore and I can imagine a lot of folk will act the same.
There were long queues at the TWO machines.

So you expect a retailer to offer you free parking while you shop elsewhere?

I didn't shop elsewhere.

[Steve O]

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.

Slough is possibly one of the most depressing British towns I have ever
visited.
Awful place.
Cross the road over into Windsor, however, and thinks change dramatically.
Really weird, it's as if there's some kind of force field in the middle
of the bridge which prevents the dross from crossing over.
I'm definitely with Betjeman when it comes to Slough.
"Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough, it isn't fit for humans now"
And that was over 80 years ago as well!

[Phi]

Post by Steve O

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.

Slough is possibly one of the most depressing British towns I have ever
visited.
Awful place.
Cross the road over into Windsor, however, and thinks change dramatically.
Really weird, it's as if there's some kind of force field in the middle of
the bridge which prevents the dross from crossing over.
I'm definitely with Betjeman when it comes to Slough.
"Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough, it isn't fit for humans now"
And that was over 80 years ago as well!

I worked in Slough in 1966 before it became infested.

[MM]

Post by Steve O

Post by Bod
Just shopped in the Slough Tesco and now you have to get a coupon from
the cashier and when you leave you have to type into a machine the last
3 digits of your car reg. The machine, cameras then scan the car park
for your car, the machine then displays photos of cars with similar
numbers of which you touch the photo of your car.

Slough is possibly one of the most depressing British towns I have ever
visited.
Awful place.
Cross the road over into Windsor, however, and thinks change dramatically.
Really weird, it's as if there's some kind of force field in the middle
of the bridge which prevents the dross from crossing over.
I'm definitely with Betjeman when it comes to Slough.
"Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough, it isn't fit for humans now"
And that was over 80 years ago as well!

The whole of the south-east is depressingly hectic. I know Slough! I
lived near High Wycombe for 20+ years and occasionally went shopping
in Slough. Every ruddy town down there is a friggin' nightmare --
Slough, Henley, HW, Maidenhead, Reading, and many more.

Whereas here in Lincolnshire towns like Boston, Spalding, even
Peterborough are comfort zones in comparison.

It's a nightmare driving down to the home counties as the traffic gets
worse and worse the closer you get to the awful place. It's like a
concentration camp for rich people.

MM