Post by dukePost by GreywolfPost by dukePost by GreywolfPost by dukePost by GreywolfYep. The "Lord" has just discovered that there is no way in this universe He can provide irrefutable proof He's real.
We are his. We believe.
And how is that proving "the Lord" actually exists. I couldn't help notice you saying you "believe" He's real. That's not proving it one bit.
I gather you can't read. "We are his. We believe". Where do you find this
"prove" bit?
Okay. My mistake. Sorry about that. You're stating that it is simply a "belief" in God's existence that you hold, and not a declaration it's an actual fact that He does.
After all this time, you FINALLY come to understand that we BELIEVE????
I've NEVER doubted Christians "believe." My problem is with those who insist belief in God is not simple belief but that His existence is a matter of undeniable *fact*. Big difference.
Post by dukePost by GreywolfMy sincere apologies for misinterpreting where you really stand on the matter.
It's forever more been out there.
Yes, that you "believe." But you've put your belief out there and then claim it's a matter of actual fact. That's something neither you nor your bird-brained brethren have NEVER supplied irrefutable evidence of.
C'mon, you dufus. If a God wanted to prove He's really *real*, He'd simply do something like plaster His Jesus face all over the world's sky and bellow out, "Hey, Earthlings! Jesus here! Just wanted you all to know my Second Coming is just around the corner. So be sure to get your smelly ass butts on the snide. In the meantime, God the Father is going to keep providing Satan with his evil powers to lead you into sin with. Simply pay Satan no mind. Oh sure, his powers are *supernaturally* evil, but just hang on for a little while more. And Hey, atheists! La la la la la! They *told* I was real. And now you have your proof."
Something like that, Earl.
Post by dukeWe believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, light from light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary
and became truly human.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father [and the Son],
who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen
And Raid's Flying Insect spray can states it kills flies AND mosquitoes with no lingering odor!
And your point was?
Post by dukePost by GreywolfPost by dukePost by GreywolfPost by dukePost by GreywolfYou would think the other two Christian Gods could step in and accomplish the job for Him. But nope. No can do. They've just as helpless to prove He or even *they* are real as He is.
What other two, would that be, you greywolf, the stupid atheist?
Why the Cloud of Gas God (I think you refer to it as the "Holy Spirit' God) and that now Man-God, the God Jesus.
There is only one God, grey.
Baloooooney! Look at even John 1:1: "the Word was *WITH* God ..." That points to some other entity who is definitely not God. Otherwise the text would read "In the Beginning, God was" and leave it at that. Introducing another character is just that, introducing someone other than Himself.
But what's that, duke? "And the Word *WAS* God," you say?
John 1:1-3 New International Version (NIV)
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
What's that say, Earl? That another God was WITH God? Well, where do you suppose the Cloud of Gas God disappeared to? That would make an additional God *WITH" God--equaling a total of *three* Gods.
and the Word was
Hold on! Back up the truck! John just finished saying the Word was *WITH* God.
If you were to be *with* me (HEAVEN FORBID !!) that wouldn't make you ME, would it?
If not, where do you get off claiming that one God being with a second God = only ONE God?
Even if the second God somehow melded *into* the first God, that second God would no longer exist as a second being.
There would only be ONE entity who was the "Word" right from the very start.
There would be NO need for making up a story about a second God who no longer exists as a second God simply because He's been the *first* God all along.
And why not, then, just totally disregard the "was WITH God" nonsense and stick with "God" minus the rest to the nonsense in John 1:1?
2 He was with God in the beginning.
Would that be that place in time where God was bestowed with his supernatural abilities, intelligence, the power to invent create evil . . . uh, that would be the God Jesus that did that, wouldn't it?
But I digress. Would it be that point in time when God decided on a Plan to
heap as much misery, suffering, and death upon hapless man and the animal kingdom as He could?
Would that be that point in time when a *very* pregnant Momma God finally had "God"? (I bet Poppa God was proud as can be. No doubt the angels in Heaven were enjoying their last cigars Poppa God handed out. It wouldn't be long before the God Jesus created very evil itself; the ploy we call "Free-Will' with which to instill pain, suffering, disenchantment, discontent and dissatisfaction with their "Boss" within His angels. So much so, that an *army* of them rebelled against Him.
So the God Jesus was WITH God the Father, but NOT God the Father at that point in time, eh? So let's see: by my count, we have TWO Gods rubbing shoulders (so to speak) "in the beginning."
Got it.
3 Through him all things were made;
Post by dukewithout him nothing was made that has been made.
Why, that would include very Evil itself, now wouldn't it?
Post by dukeBut now you admit your mistake and need time to come to grips with it all.
the dukester, American-American
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The Purpose of the NT Word of God is to tell even *BIGGER* whoppers than it did in the OT, and to help prove that the God Jesus actually created very Evil itself.
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Oh, I've made no "mistake," duke. You're every *bit* the mentally-ill, delusional, religiously brainwashed, attentions-seeking, pathological liar I thought you were. And not one bit less.