A Confederacy of Dunces

[BTR1701]

Anti-gun activist David Hogg thinks that Canadian nationals can donate to
political campaigns in the United States.

Michael Moore has to correct him and then gently takes the mic away.

https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1038855241607729152

Instead of an indulgent roadshow with man-child Michael Moore, young Hogg
needs to get off the stage, have an adult intervention, and submit himself
to a proper education.

[anim8rfsk]

A Confederacy of Dunces
September 10, 2018 at 5:49:37 AM MST
Anti-gun activist David Hogg thinks that Canadian nationals can donate to
political campaigns in the United States.
Michael Moore has to correct him

Wow, when *that* happens, you're really a dunce.

[Ubiquitous]

Post by anim8rfsk

A Confederacy of Dunces
September 10, 2018 at 5:49:37 AM MST

Why are the headers being put in your followup?

Post by anim8rfsk

Anti-gun activist David Hogg thinks that Canadian nationals can donate to
political campaigns in the United States.
Michael Moore has to correct him

Wow, when *that* happens, you're really a dunce.

Yeah, I had to laugh about that.

[m***@hotmail.com]

Post by anim8rfsk

A Confederacy of Dunces
September 10, 2018 at 5:49:37 AM MST
Anti-gun activist David Hogg thinks that Canadian nationals can donate to
political campaigns in the United States.
Michael Moore has to correct him

Wow, when *that* happens, you're really a dunce.

Really? When you are talking to a major TV/Movie producer? With possibly millions of dollars on the line? Yet, you are only a teenager?

No. Not a dunce.

[Neill Massello]

Post by BTR1701
Instead of an indulgent roadshow with man-child Michael Moore, young Hogg
needs to get off the stage, have an adult intervention, and submit himself
to a proper education.

Yes, celebrity is an addictive drug.

[m***@hotmail.com]

Post by BTR1701
Anti-gun activist David Hogg thinks that Canadian nationals can donate to
political campaigns in the United States.

Why are you telling us something about a teenager? Pathological liar.

[kensi]

Hogg needs to get off the stage,

Why, because his message causes you butthurt?

have an adult intervention, and submit himself to a proper education.

I seem to recall that he tried that route, and got shot at for his
troubles. So now he's embarked on a different path. Perhaps if he hadn't
been shot at ...

[BTR1701]

Post by kensi

Hogg needs to get off the stage,

Why, because his message causes you butthurt?

No, because his message is ignorant and wrong. Canadians can't legally
donate to American political campaigns.

This after he said a few weeks ago, "You don't fight wildfires with more
fire, so we can't fight gun violence with more guns."

Actually, Dave, that's exactly how you fight wildfires: with backfires and
controlled burns. There's a reason the phrase "fight fire with fire" is a
common linguistic trope.

Yep, this is the intellectual powerhouse that the Left has elevated to be
the face of American firearms policy.

[trotsky]

Post by BTR1701

Post by kensi

Hogg needs to get off the stage,

Why, because his message causes you butthurt?

No, because his message is ignorant and wrong. Canadians can't legally
donate to American political campaigns.

Actually it's not just Canadians but all foreign nationals. It's really
not that hard to tell the whole truth. For people that aren't shitbags,
I mean.

[kensi]

Post by BTR1701

Post by kensi

Hogg needs to get off the stage,

Why, because his message causes you butthurt?

No, because his message is ignorant and wrong.

His message is to do what nearly every country with low levels of gun
violence is going.

*Your* message is "MOAR GUNZ!!1" ... how's that been working for you so
far? The number of mass shootings is, if anything, climbing year over year.

[Ed Stasiak]

Post by kensi
kensi

BTR1701
No, because his message is ignorant and wrong.

*Your* message is "MOAR GUNZ!!1" ... how's that been working for you so
far? The number of mass shootings is, if anything, climbing year over year.

The murder rate has been in decline since the early 1990s despite bazillions
of new guns being bought by Americans every year (there are an estimated
300+ million guns at present in the U.S.) and almost every state in the Union
now having “Shall Issue” concealed carried weapon laws on the books.

As for “mass shootings”, it’s vaguely defined, (if at all) with one reference I’ve
seen stating “four or more injured/killed” but when one tries to look into the
details of these shootings, the Mainstream Media bends over backwards to
keep them under wraps, as the overwhelming majority of the shootings are
Black-on-Black drive-bys and other gang/drug related type stuff.

[kensi]

Post by Ed Stasiak

Post by kensi
kensi

BTR1701
No, because his message is ignorant and wrong.

*Your* message is "MOAR GUNZ!!1" ... how's that been working for you so
far? The number of mass shootings is, if anything, climbing year over year.

The murder rate has been in decline since the early 1990s

Miscellaneous interpersonal violence and gang crime has been declining
ever since we got the tetraethyl lead out of our gasoline fumes.

On the other hand, terroristic mass shooting events are on the rise.

[Ed Stasiak]

Post by kensi
kensi

Ed Stasiak
The murder rate has been in decline since the early 1990s

Miscellaneous interpersonal violence and gang crime has been declining
ever since we got the tetraethyl lead out of our gasoline fumes.

Meanwhile, the prescribing of antidepressant/psychotropic medications
has sky rocketed to the point we’re doping up kindergartners the moment
they get a bit rambunctious.

Post by kensi
On the other hand, terroristic mass shooting events are on the rise.

And they’re still vanishingly rare and still having nothing to do with the
availability of guns, otherwise we’d be having them anywhere and every
where all the time, seeing as America is awash in guns.

You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

[kensi]

Post by Ed Stasiak

Post by kensi
kensi

Ed Stasiak
The murder rate has been in decline since the early 1990s

Miscellaneous interpersonal violence and gang crime has been declining
ever since we got the tetraethyl lead out of our gasoline fumes.
On the other hand, terroristic mass shooting events are on the rise.

And they’re still vanishingly rare and still having nothing to do with the
availability of guns,

Poppycock! Mass shootings cannot by definition "have nothing to do with
the availability of guns". Countries without widespread gun availability
have far fewer or NO mass shootings.

[Ed Stasiak]

Post by kensi
kensi

Ed Stasiak
And they’re still vanishingly rare and still having nothing to do with the
availability of guns,

Poppycock! Mass shootings cannot by definition "have nothing to do with
the availability of guns". Countries without widespread gun availability
have far fewer or NO mass shootings.

If guns were the cause of mass shootings, then we ought to be having
mass shootings all the time and everywhere in the country, seeing as
there are millions of guns throughout the country, but that’s not the case.

This is just another anti-gun propaganda effort by the Mainstream Media,
implying there are “mass shootings” like Sandyhook happening daily so
as to scare the soccer moms, when in fact what’s going on are the same
Black-on-Black drug and culturally related shootings that have been going
on for years and which the media has never given a shit about (unless
they’re shilling gun control).

Meanwhile, the MSM continues to studiously ignore that prescriptions of
psychotropic medications have risen astronomically and that in virtually all
these actual Sandyhook-type shootings, the perpetrators were hopped up
on all kinda psycho meds that the Wall Street pharmaceutical industry is
literally bribing doctors to prescribe willy-nilly.

[kensi]

Post by Ed Stasiak

Post by kensi
kensi

Ed Stasiak
And they’re still vanishingly rare and still having nothing to do with the
availability of guns,

Poppycock! Mass shootings cannot by definition "have nothing to do with
the availability of guns". Countries without widespread gun availability
have far fewer or NO mass shootings.

If guns were the cause of mass shootings, then we ought to be having
mass shootings all the time and everywhere in the country, seeing as
there are millions of guns throughout the country, but that’s not the case.

[snip racism and anti-vax burblefroth]

Guns are a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for mass shootings.
Again I refer you to the fact that countries that are not awash in guns
have no, or almost no, mass shootings. They do sometimes have mass
attacks, but the perps have to use a knife or a vehicle or something
else most of the time because it's so hard for them to get ahold of a
gun, especially an assault rifle. Usually this means they are stopped
before they do even a fraction as much damage as a US mass shooter with
an AR-15.

The people who carry out such attacks are a very small fraction of the
overall population, which limits how often such attacks occur,
independently of the availability of firearms. The availability of
firearms however makes nearly all such attacks in the US use guns, and a
large fraction of them the extra-lethal AR-15.

[Ed Stasiak]

Post by kensi
kensi

Ed Stasiak
If guns were the cause of mass shootings, then we ought to be having
mass shootings all the time and everywhere in the country, seeing as
there are millions of guns throughout the country, but that’s not the case.

[snip racism and anti-vax burblefroth]

Nothing “racist” or anti-vaccination about it, the fact is that Blacks commit
shit loads of crime and we’re wildly over-prescribing psycho meds so Wall
Street can make a buck.

Post by kensi
Guns are a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for mass shootings.

And the answer is to address the actual source of problem, not enact empty
fell-good legislation that strips the People of their human right to keep & bear
arms.

Prior to the Gun Control Act of 1968, there were no background checks and
one could mail-order any kinda gun (including semi-automatics) right out of
the Sears catalog and the U.S. Post Office would deliver right to your door,
and yet “mass shootings” and crime in general were far lower.

Again; if guns are the problem then why didn’t we have this problem back then?

[kensi]

Post by Ed Stasiak

Post by kensi
kensi

Ed Stasiak
If guns were the cause of mass shootings, then we ought to be having
mass shootings all the time and everywhere in the country, seeing as
there are millions of guns throughout the country, but that’s not the case.

[snip racism and anti-vax burblefroth]

Nothing “racist” or anti-vaccination about it, the fact is that Blacks commit
shit loads of crime and [rest of racist rant deleted unread]

The US has about a mass shooting a day. No other nation on Earth does.

The US has a shit-ton of firearms easily available and very lax
regulations. Almost no other nation on Earth has firearms easily
available, and the very rare exception (e.g. Switzerland) has them much
more tightly regulated.

Meanwhile how unfree are the people in, say, New Zealand? Or France? Or
Canada? Or Germany? All stable democracies with heavy gun control and a
notable lack of many mass shootings. It just doesn't seem to be a
crucial human right that people have access to weapons of sufficient
lethality to easily cause mass-casualty events like the one in Las
Vegas. In particular it is not crucial to the retention of liberty. On
the other hand, there absolutely is a crucial human right to *live* ...

[Ed Stasiak]

Post by kensi
kensi

Ed Stasiak

The US has about a mass shooting a day. No other nation on Earth does.

Again; what’s a “mass shooting” and again, the vast majority of shootings
involving multiple victims are Black-in-Black that has nothing to do with the
choice of weapon, it derives from a culture of machismo where looking
side-ways at someone frequently is enough to result in gunfire.

Blacks commit half of all murders in the U.S. and they’re not doing so simply
because they have guns but because modern Black-American culture openly
encourages violent uncivilized behavior.

If you discount murders committed by Blacks, the U.S. murder rate in on-par
with Belgium despite the bazillions of guns in the U.S.

Post by kensi
The US has a shit-ton of firearms easily available and very lax regulations.

Nonsense, the U.S. has tons of gun laws but of course only the already law
abiding adhere to them, while criminals who have no problem murdering,
raping and robbing sure as shit don’t care that they’re not supposed to have
a gun.

Gun control laws only disarm the victims.

Post by kensi
Almost no other nation on Earth has firearms easily available, and the very
rare exception (e.g. Switzerland) has them much more tightly regulated.

And here comes the apples-to-oranges comparison anti-gun fundies trot out
every time, while ignoring the huge disparity in crime within the _same cities_
right here in the U.S.

All Michigan residents are subject to the SAME state and federal gun laws
and all have the SAME access to guns, yet the city of Detroit accounts for
almost half the murders in the state despite making up only a fraction of the
total population in Michigan.

If guns are the problems, then why doesn’t my home town of Warren MI (which
borders Detroit) have a crime rate similar to Detroit, seeing as we have the same
access to guns as Detroiters?

How can you literally cross the street and go from 8-9 murders per year to 300+
murders and say guns are to blame?

[kensi]

Post by kensi
kensi

Ed Stasiak

The US has about a mass shooting a day. No other nation on Earth does.

Blacks commit half of all murders [rest of racist rant deleted unread]

Please *try* to contain your hate for long enough to avoid straying from
the topic.

Now let's try this again.

The US has about a mass shooting a day. No other nation on Earth does.

The US has a shit-ton of firearms easily available and very lax
regulations. Almost no other nation on Earth has firearms easily
available, and the very rare exception (e.g. Switzerland) has them much
more tightly regulated.

Meanwhile how unfree are the people in, say, New Zealand? Or France? Or
Canada? Or Germany? All stable democracies with heavy gun control and a
notable lack of many mass shootings. It just doesn't seem to be a
crucial human right that people have access to weapons of sufficient
lethality to easily cause mass-casualty events like the one in Las
Vegas. In particular it is not crucial to the retention of liberty. On
the other hand, there absolutely is a crucial human right to *live* ...

[Ed Stasiak]

Post by kensi
kensi

Ed Stasiak
Blacks commit half of all murders [rest of racist rant deleted unread]

Please *try* to contain your hate for long enough to avoid straying from
the topic.

Anti-Gun Fundie Bullshit Debate Tactic #1:
“If you can’t address the point being made, just call them a “racist” and
simply declare victory.”

[kensi]

Post by Ed Stasiak

Post by kensi
kensi

Ed Stasiak
Blacks commit half of all murders [rest of racist rant deleted unread]

Please *try* to contain your hate for long enough to avoid straying from
the topic.

“If you can’t address the point being made, just call them a “racist” and
simply declare victory.”

Your so-called "point" presupposed fundamental inequality between the
races. Since your presupposition was factually incorrect, everything
that allegedly "followed" from it is thrown out as invalid and you have
to start over.

Now let's try this again.

The US has about a mass shooting a day. No other nation on Earth does.

The US has a shit-ton of firearms easily available and very lax
regulations. Almost no other nation on Earth has firearms easily
available, and the very rare exception (e.g. Switzerland) has them much
more tightly regulated.

Meanwhile how unfree are the people in, say, New Zealand? Or France? Or
Canada? Or Germany? All stable democracies with heavy gun control and a
notable lack of many mass shootings. It just doesn't seem to be a
crucial human right that people have access to weapons of sufficient
lethality to easily cause mass-casualty events like the one in Las
Vegas. In particular it is not crucial to the retention of liberty. On
the other hand, there absolutely is a crucial human right to *live* ...

[shawn]

On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 11:23:24 -0400, kensi

Post by kensi

Post by kensi
kensi

Ed Stasiak
Blacks commit half of all murders [rest of racist rant deleted unread]

Please *try* to contain your hate for long enough to avoid straying from
the topic.

“If you can’t address the point being made, just call them a “racist” and
simply declare victory.”

Your so-called "point" presupposed fundamental inequality between the
races. Since your presupposition was factually incorrect, everything
that allegedly "followed" from it is thrown out as invalid and you have
to start over.
Now let's try this again.
The US has about a mass shooting a day. No other nation on Earth does.

Hmm, this quote seems to counter that.
"To provide one, they analysed records of all 248 active shooter
incidents in the US over an 18-year period, leaving only two deadly
episodes out: the Las Vegas shooting of 2017 (a death toll so high it
was excluded for being a "statistical outlier") and the 2015 San
Bernardino attack (since it was perpetrated by two active shooters,
not one)."

https://www.sciencealert.com/first-of-its-kind-study-calculates-deadly-semi-automatic-rifles-gun-control-violence-firearms


Now no one should argue that is too many active shooter incidents but
it's no where near one a day.

[kensi]

Post by shawn
On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 11:23:24 -0400, kensi

Post by kensi

Post by Ed Stasiak

Post by kensi
kensi

Ed Stasiak
Blacks commit half of all murders [rest of racist rant deleted unread]

Please *try* to contain your hate for long enough to avoid straying from
the topic.

“If you can’t address the point being made, just call them a “racist” and
simply declare victory.”

Your so-called "point" presupposed fundamental inequality between the
races. Since your presupposition was factually incorrect, everything
that allegedly "followed" from it is thrown out as invalid and you have
to start over.
Now let's try this again.
The US has about a mass shooting a day. No other nation on Earth does.

Hmm, this quote seems to counter that.
"To provide one, they analysed records of all 248 active shooter
incidents in the US over an 18-year period, leaving only two deadly
episodes out: the Las Vegas shooting of 2017 (a death toll so high it
was excluded for being a "statistical outlier") and the 2015 San
Bernardino attack (since it was perpetrated by two active shooters,
not one)."
https://www.sciencealert.com/first-of-its-kind-study-calculates-deadly-semi-automatic-rifles-gun-control-violence-firearms
Now no one should argue that is too many active shooter incidents but
it's no where near one a day.

Mass shootings in the US: there have been 1,624 in 1,870 days

No other developed nation comes close to the rate of US gun violence.
Americans own an estimated 265m guns, more than one gun for every adult.

Data from the Gun Violence Archive reveals there is a mass shooting –
defined as four or more people shot in one incident, not including the
shooter – nine out of every 10 days on average:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/oct/02/america-mass-shootings-gun-violence

[shawn]

On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 12:31:18 -0400, kensi

Post by kensi

Post by shawn
On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 11:23:24 -0400, kensi

Post by kensi

Post by Ed Stasiak

Post by kensi
kensi

Ed Stasiak
Blacks commit half of all murders [rest of racist rant deleted unread]

Please *try* to contain your hate for long enough to avoid straying from
the topic.

“If you can’t address the point being made, just call them a “racist” and
simply declare victory.”

Your so-called "point" presupposed fundamental inequality between the
races. Since your presupposition was factually incorrect, everything
that allegedly "followed" from it is thrown out as invalid and you have
to start over.
Now let's try this again.
The US has about a mass shooting a day. No other nation on Earth does.

Hmm, this quote seems to counter that.
"To provide one, they analysed records of all 248 active shooter
incidents in the US over an 18-year period, leaving only two deadly
episodes out: the Las Vegas shooting of 2017 (a death toll so high it
was excluded for being a "statistical outlier") and the 2015 San
Bernardino attack (since it was perpetrated by two active shooters,
not one)."
https://www.sciencealert.com/first-of-its-kind-study-calculates-deadly-semi-automatic-rifles-gun-control-violence-firearms
Now no one should argue that is too many active shooter incidents but
it's no where near one a day.

Mass shootings in the US: there have been 1,624 in 1,870 days
No other developed nation comes close to the rate of US gun violence.
Americans own an estimated 265m guns, more than one gun for every adult.
Data from the Gun Violence Archive reveals there is a mass shooting –
defined as four or more people shot in one incident, not including the
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/oct/02/america-mass-shootings-gun-violence

Herein lies the difference.


From Wikipedia : There is no fixed definition of a mass shooting,[2]
but a common definition is an act of violence — excluding gang
killings, domestic violence, or terrorist acts sponsored by an
organization — in which a gunman kills at least four victims. Using
this definition, one study found that nearly one-third of the world's
public mass shootings between 1966 and 2012 (90 of 292 incidents)
occurred in the United States.[3][4] Using the same definition, Gun
Violence Archive records 152 mass shootings in the United States
between 1967 and May 2018, averaging eight fatalities per incident
when the perpetrator's death is included.[5]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/mass-shootings-in-america/?utm_term=.a022a2f1c32f


You are using the data that includes all mass shootings including gang
killing, domestic violence and terrorist attacks. While the data I am
referring to excludes those. For most people they are really concerned
with things that are more likely to impact them which would exclude
gang killings and likely domestic violence.

[BTR1701]

Post by Ed Stasiak

Post by kensi
kensi

Ed Stasiak
Blacks commit half of all murders [rest of racist rant deleted unread]

Please *try* to contain your hate for long enough to avoid straying from
the topic.

“If you can’t address the point being made, just call them a “racist” and
simply declare victory.”

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[trotsky]

Post by BTR1701

Post by Ed Stasiak

Post by kensi
kensi

Ed Stasiak
Blacks commit half of all murders [rest of racist rant deleted unread]

Please *try* to contain your hate for long enough to avoid straying from
the topic.

“If you can’t address the point being made, just call them a “racist” and
simply declare victory.”

https://www.dropbox.com/s/v87z1nevolnu55i/Black.jpg?dl=0

That's incredibly fucking stupid, even by your standards, Jar Jar.

[kensi]

Post by shawn
On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 12:31:18 -0400, kensi

...

Post by shawn
You are using the data that includes all mass shootings including gang
killing, domestic violence and terrorist attacks. While the data I am
referring to excludes those. For most people they are really concerned
with things that are more likely to impact them which would exclude
gang killings and likely domestic violence.

I don't see why. Domestic violence is unfortunately all too common,
*and* seems linked to workplace and other public mass shootings to boot
(nearly every single such shooter proves upon examination to have a
history of DV). And gang killings don't confine themselves to killing
gang members. Innocent bystanders sometimes get caught in a crossfire.

[shawn]

On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 05:24:09 -0400, kensi

Post by kensi

Post by shawn
On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 12:31:18 -0400, kensi

...

Post by shawn
You are using the data that includes all mass shootings including gang
killing, domestic violence and terrorist attacks. While the data I am
referring to excludes those. For most people they are really concerned
with things that are more likely to impact them which would exclude
gang killings and likely domestic violence.

I don't see why. Domestic violence is unfortunately all too common,
*and* seems linked to workplace and other public mass shootings to boot
(nearly every single such shooter proves upon examination to have a
history of DV). And gang killings don't confine themselves to killing
gang members. Innocent bystanders sometimes get caught in a crossfire.

One reason to separate them out is that the possible solutions to
preventing the shootings are quite different between DV, gang
shootings, terrorism and the disaffected mass shooter.

Tighter gun control isn't likely to do much to stop gang violence.
Increased mental health availability might help with the disaffected
youths that have been involved in school shootings but won't do a
thing for terrorist attacks. So I find it worth while to consider them
different and not as being all the same.

[kensi]

Post by shawn
On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 05:24:09 -0400, kensi

Post by kensi
I don't see why. Domestic violence is unfortunately all too common,
*and* seems linked to workplace and other public mass shootings to boot
(nearly every single such shooter proves upon examination to have a
history of DV). And gang killings don't confine themselves to killing
gang members. Innocent bystanders sometimes get caught in a crossfire.

One reason to separate them out is that the possible solutions to
preventing the shootings are quite different between DV, gang
shootings, terrorism and the disaffected mass shooter.

If you ignore the glaringly obvious thing that all shootings have in
common, perhaps: that the perpetrator had ready access to a gun.

Ignoring this is precisely what Republicans want you to do, of course.

Post by shawn
Tighter gun control isn't likely to do much to stop gang violence.

Strange that the rate of gang-related killings is *much* lower in
countries with tighter gun control then.

[shawn]

On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 08:01:53 -0400, kensi

Post by kensi

Post by shawn
On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 05:24:09 -0400, kensi

Post by kensi
I don't see why. Domestic violence is unfortunately all too common,
*and* seems linked to workplace and other public mass shootings to boot
(nearly every single such shooter proves upon examination to have a
history of DV). And gang killings don't confine themselves to killing
gang members. Innocent bystanders sometimes get caught in a crossfire.

One reason to separate them out is that the possible solutions to
preventing the shootings are quite different between DV, gang
shootings, terrorism and the disaffected mass shooter.

If you ignore the glaringly obvious thing that all shootings have in
common, perhaps: that the perpetrator had ready access to a gun.
Ignoring this is precisely what Republicans want you to do, of course.

Post by shawn
Tighter gun control isn't likely to do much to stop gang violence.

Strange that the rate of gang-related killings is *much* lower in
countries with tighter gun control then.

Sure, outlawing personal guns would go a long way to eventually
stopping killings with guns. It's not going to happen in my or your
lifetime in the USA so I can't see the point of bringing it up.
Moderate changes to the laws may be possible. Increased access to
mental health treatment should be possible. Both would help lower the
number of shootings. Based on something I saw recently making
abortions for unwanted children easier to get would also help in the
long term as those unwanted children are more likely to turn to gangs
and crime in general. So it's not just about gun control to help stop
mass shootings of any sort.

[kensi]

Post by shawn
On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 08:01:53 -0400, kensi

Post by kensi

Post by shawn
On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 05:24:09 -0400, kensi

Post by kensi
I don't see why. Domestic violence is unfortunately all too common,
*and* seems linked to workplace and other public mass shootings to boot
(nearly every single such shooter proves upon examination to have a
history of DV). And gang killings don't confine themselves to killing
gang members. Innocent bystanders sometimes get caught in a crossfire.

One reason to separate them out is that the possible solutions to
preventing the shootings are quite different between DV, gang
shootings, terrorism and the disaffected mass shooter.

If you ignore the glaringly obvious thing that all shootings have in
common, perhaps: that the perpetrator had ready access to a gun.
Ignoring this is precisely what Republicans want you to do, of course.

Post by shawn
Tighter gun control isn't likely to do much to stop gang violence.

Strange that the rate of gang-related killings is *much* lower in
countries with tighter gun control then.

Sure, outlawing personal guns would go a long way to eventually
stopping killings with guns. It's not going to happen in my or your
lifetime in the USA

Defeatist.

[b***@gmail.com]

Post by kensi

Post by shawn
On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 12:31:18 -0400, kensi

...

Post by shawn
You are using the data that includes all mass shootings including gang
killing, domestic violence and terrorist attacks. While the data I am
referring to excludes those. For most people they are really concerned
with things that are more likely to impact them which would exclude
gang killings and likely domestic violence.

I don't see why. Domestic violence is unfortunately all too common

Of course it should be common, given the lack of a challenge that most people have faced during their heir lives, beforehand.

[kensi]

Post by b***@gmail.com

Post by kensi
I don't see why. Domestic violence is unfortunately all too common

Of course it should be common, given the lack of a challenge that
most people have faced during their heir lives, beforehand.

What.

[Ed Stasiak]

Post by kensi
kensi

Ed Stasiak
“If you can’t address the point being made, just call them a “racist”
and simply declare victory.”

Your so-called "point" presupposed fundamental inequality between
the races.

It isn’t racial, (i.e. presupposing a genetic reason inherent to a group)
its _cultural_ and there is no denying that Blacks commit a shit load of
crimes because post-1960s Black-American culture literally celebrates
criminal behavior.

Me and my guns are not responsible for Black gang bangers shooting
up a barber shop because someone there “dissed” them, as recently
happened in my home town, which is steadily becoming Detroit v2.0
as ever more Blacks move in.

https://www.macombdaily.com/news/copscourts/suspect-arrested-in-fatal-shooting-outside-of-warren-barber-shop/article_69427c90-a62f-11e8-84dd-af68cee38f26.html
Aug 22, 2018

Suspect arrested in fatal shooting outside of Warren barber shop

A Detroit man who was recently released from prison has been for the
shooting death of a man in front of a barbershop in Warren over the
weekend, police said Wednesday.

Warren Police Commissioner William Dwyer said the 35-year-old suspect
had been under surveillance and was taken into custody without incident
about 9 p.m. Monday on Avon Avenue, in the area of Seven Mile and
Southfield roads. 

The homicide was the first of two fatal shootings over the weekend in
Macomb County. 

"From noon Saturday until the arrest last night, this has been our No. 1
priority," Dwyer said. "Our detectives worked nearly around-the-clock to
solve this case. This was a full-press effort to make an arrest in our first
and only homicide of the year."

The suspect is accused of shooting Brian Keith Johnson, 21, of Madison
Heights, Saturday afternoon outside of Da Shop Barber & Beauty Salon
on the 4800 block of Nine Mile Road, between Mound and Ryan roads.

Police said the victim was lured outside, where he was confronted by
several men including the suspect who fired one shot, which struck
Johnson in the neck. 

According to police, the suspect and Johnson had a simmering vendetta,
but officers declined to provide specifics on that aspect.

Dwyer said the efforts of the department's Special Operations Division
and the Detective Bureau, particularly Detective Kevin Dailey, resulted
in the arrest. Investigators conducted numerous interviews and executed
several search warrants to develop evidence and information on the case.

"One homicide is too many, but our department has the resources that pay
dividends in case such as this," Dwyer said.

The suspect was recently released from a Michigan prison where he had
served a 12-year sentence, but police declined to provide additional
information pending the arraignment, which is expected to take place
Thursday in 37th District Court in Warren.

Meanwhile, Eastpointe police continue to investigate the death of a teenager
who was shot to death late Saturday following a raucous house party on
Wilmot Avenue in the area of Nine Mile and Kelly roads.

As the gathering was being dispersed, a fight broke out and participants
exchanged gunfire. The gunshots damaged numerous nearby houses and
cars.

Police on Wednesday said they have nothing new to report on the incident.

Post by kensi
Meanwhile how unfree are the people in, say, New Zealand? Or France?
Or Canada? Or Germany?

Where have you been?

Europe is throwing people in prison for daring to disagree with the EU’s
insane policy of handing out welfare to the tidal wave of illegal aliens
pouring in and there was a teenage girl in Denmark who was facing jail
time for using pepper spray on a Muslim “migrant” who was trying to rape
her and an old retiree in the UK who got tossed on the gaol and was facing
murder charges, after defending himself against gypsies who broke into
his home and attacked him while in Canada, the courts have flat-out
stated that speaking the _literal truth_ can still result in jail time for “hate
speech” if someone somewhere doesn’t like what you said.

[kensi]

Post by Ed Stasiak

Post by kensi
kensi

Ed Stasiak
“If you can’t address the point being made, just call them a “racist”
and simply declare victory.”

Your so-called "point" presupposed fundamental inequality between
the races.

It isn’t racial, (i.e. presupposing a genetic reason inherent to a group)
its _cultural_ and there is no denying that Blacks commit a shit load of
crimes [rest of racist rant deleted]

...

Post by Ed Stasiak
my home town, which is steadily becoming Detroit v2.0
as ever more Blacks move in [rest of even more racist ranting deleted]

...

Post by Ed Stasiak
Suspect arrested in fatal shooting outside of Warren barber shop
A Detroit man [rest of anecdote deleted]

The plural of "anecdote" is not "data", ko0ky.

Post by Ed Stasiak

Post by kensi
Meanwhile how unfree are the people in, say, New Zealand? Or France?
Or Canada? Or Germany?

Where have you been?
Europe is throwing people in prison for daring to disagree with the EU

[citation needed]

Post by Ed Stasiak
insane policy of handing out welfare to the tidal wave of illegal aliens

[citation needed]

Post by Ed Stasiak
pouring in and there was a teenage girl in Denmark who was facing jail
time for using pepper spray on a Muslim “migrant” who was trying to rape
her

[citation needed]

And, racism noted

Post by Ed Stasiak
and an old retiree in the UK who got tossed on the gaol and was facing
murder charges, after defending himself against gypsies who broke into
his home and attacked him

[citation needed]

And, racism noted

Post by Ed Stasiak
while in Canada, the courts have flat-out stated that speaking the
_literal truth_ can still result in jail time for “hate
speech” if someone somewhere doesn’t like what you said.

[citation needed]

[Ed Stasiak]

Post by Ed Stasiak
kensi

Ed Stasiak
It isn’t racial, (i.e. presupposing a genetic reason inherent to a group)
its _cultural_ and there is no denying that Blacks commit a shit load of
crimes

[rest of racist rant deleted]

An objective fact is not racist.

Post by Ed Stasiak

my home town, which is steadily becoming Detroit v2.0 as ever more
Blacks move in

[rest of even more racist ranting deleted]

An objective fact is not racist.

Post by Ed Stasiak

Suspect arrested in fatal shooting outside of Warren barber shop
A Detroit man

[rest of anecdote deleted]
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data", ko0ky.

Just providing a citation of what’s going on here.

Post by Ed Stasiak

Europe is throwing people in prison for daring to disagree with the EU

[citation needed]

Citations provided here numerous times.

Post by Ed Stasiak

insane policy of handing out welfare to the tidal wave of illegal aliens

[citation needed]

Citations provided here numerous times.

Post by Ed Stasiak

pouring in and there was a teenage girl in Denmark who was facing jail
time for using pepper spray on a Muslim “migrant” who was trying to
rape her

[citation needed]

Citation provided here and we had a whole thread discussing it.

Post by Ed Stasiak
And, racism noted

An objective fact is not racist.

Post by Ed Stasiak

and an old retiree in the UK who got tossed on the gaol and was facing
murder charges, after defending himself against gypsies who broke into
his home and attacked him

[citation needed]

Citation provided here and we had a whole thread discussing it.

Post by Ed Stasiak
And, racism noted

An objective fact is not racist.

Post by Ed Stasiak

while in Canada, the courts have flat-out stated that speaking the _literal
truth_ can still result in jail time for “hate speech” if someone somewhere
doesn’t like what you said.

[citation needed]

Citation provided here numerous times.

[kensi]

Post by Ed Stasiak

Post by Ed Stasiak
kensi

Ed Stasiak
It isn’t racial, (i.e. presupposing a genetic reason inherent to a group)
its _cultural_ and there is no denying that Blacks commit a shit load of
crimes

[rest of racist rant deleted]

An objective fact is not racist.

You and "an objective fact" most likely have never met.

Post by Ed Stasiak

Post by Ed Stasiak

my home town, which is steadily becoming Detroit v2.0 as ever more
Blacks move in

[rest of even more racist ranting deleted]

An objective fact is not racist.

You and "an objective fact" most likely have never met.

Post by Ed Stasiak

Post by Ed Stasiak

Suspect arrested in fatal shooting outside of Warren barber shop
A Detroit man

[rest of anecdote deleted]
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data", ko0ky.

Just providing a citation of what’s going on here.

What's going on here is that you harbor an anti-black animus and you
don't feel at all shy about displaying it in public, you troglodyte.

Post by Ed Stasiak

Post by Ed Stasiak

Europe is throwing people in prison for daring to disagree with the EU

[citation needed]

Citations provided here numerous times.

The above line is not a citation.

Post by Ed Stasiak

Post by Ed Stasiak

insane policy of handing out welfare to the tidal wave of illegal aliens

[citation needed]

Citations provided here numerous times.

The above line is not a citation.

Post by Ed Stasiak

Post by Ed Stasiak

pouring in and there was a teenage girl in Denmark who was facing jail
time for using pepper spray on a Muslim “migrant” who was trying to
rape her

[citation needed]

Citation provided here and we had a whole thread discussing it.

The above line is not a citation.

Post by Ed Stasiak

Post by Ed Stasiak
And, racism noted

An objective fact is not racist.

You and "an objective fact" most likely have never met.

Post by Ed Stasiak

Post by Ed Stasiak

and an old retiree in the UK who got tossed on the gaol and was facing
murder charges, after defending himself against gypsies who broke into
his home and attacked him

[citation needed]

Citation provided here and we had a whole thread discussing it.

The above line is not a citation.

Post by Ed Stasiak

Post by Ed Stasiak
And, racism noted

An objective fact is not racist.

You and "an objective fact" most likely have never met.

Post by Ed Stasiak

Post by Ed Stasiak

while in Canada, the courts have flat-out stated that speaking the _literal
truth_ can still result in jail time for “hate speech” if someone somewhere
doesn’t like what you said.

[citation needed]

Citation provided here numerous times.

The above line is not a citation.

[Ed Stasiak]

Post by kensi
kensi

Ed Stasiak
Citation provided here numerous times.

The above line is not a citation.

I’m not going to waste time tracking down the links and reposting
them for you, when its clear you’ll just ignore them anyway (while
throwing around needless insults).

Multiple people here on r.a.tv saw the original citations and were
involved in the related discussions, so I don’t really care if you
don’t believe me.

[kensi]

Post by Ed Stasiak

Post by kensi
kensi

Ed Stasiak
Citation provided here numerous times.

The above line is not a citation.

I’m not going to waste time tracking down the links

Then you're going to lose the debate. Not that that wasn't a foregone
conclusion anyway, seeing as how your side is wrong and all.

[Ed Stasiak]

Post by kensi
kensi

Ed Stasiak
I’m not going to waste time tracking down the links and reposting
them for you, when its clear you’ll just ignore them anyway (while
throwing around needless insults).

Then you're going to lose the debate. Not that that wasn't a foregone
conclusion anyway, seeing as how your side is wrong and all.

No, its you who have lost the debate by pulling the bullshit tactic of trying
to get others to needlessly waste time and effort reposting citations you’ll
just ignore, all the while throwing around insults.

[kensi]

Post by Ed Stasiak

Post by kensi
kensi

Ed Stasiak
I’m not going to waste time tracking down the links and reposting
them for you, when its clear you’ll just ignore them anyway (while
throwing around needless insults).

Then you're going to lose the debate. Not that that wasn't a foregone
conclusion anyway, seeing as how your side is wrong and all.

No, its you who have lost the debate

And yet, countries with strict gun control and robust liberty abound,
and lack mass shootings. Meanwhile we're getting tons of mass shootings
and all the guns littering the streets aren't preventing us from
slipping into oligarchy, and then possibly into some sort of Trumpian
tyranny. Funny how that works, eh?

[shawn]

On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 09:09:52 -0400, kensi

Post by kensi

Post by kensi
kensi

Ed Stasiak

The US has about a mass shooting a day. No other nation on Earth does.

Blacks commit half of all murders [rest of racist rant deleted unread]

Please *try* to contain your hate for long enough to avoid straying from
the topic.
Now let's try this again.
The US has about a mass shooting a day. No other nation on Earth does.
The US has a shit-ton of firearms easily available and very lax
regulations. Almost no other nation on Earth has firearms easily
available, and the very rare exception (e.g. Switzerland) has them much
more tightly regulated.

Hmmm, correlation vs causation. Not saying that easy access to
firearms isn't an issue but those two facts listed above don't show
that the two are directly related. One could also point out the poor
access to mental health treatment in the USA as a potential cause for
many of the mass shootings.

[FPP]

Post by BTR1701
Anti-gun activist David Hogg thinks that Canadian nationals can donate to
political campaigns in the United States.
Michael Moore has to correct him and then gently takes the mic away.
https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1038855241607729152
Instead of an indulgent roadshow with man-child Michael Moore, young Hogg
needs to get off the stage, have an adult intervention, and submit himself
to a proper education.

A pity that members of the trump campaign didn't know that... it might
have saved us an investigation.

[Ubiquitous]

Post by FPP

Post by BTR1701
Anti-gun activist David Hogg thinks that Canadian nationals can donate to
political campaigns in the United States.
Michael Moore has to correct him and then gently takes the mic away.
https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1038855241607729152
Instead of an indulgent roadshow with man-child Michael Moore, young
Hogg needs to get off the stage, have an adult intervention, and submit
himself to a proper education.

A pity that members of the trump campaign didn't know that... it might
have saved us an investigation.

Still pimping that long-debunked myth, eh?

I guess you still don't care if "your side" does it, eh?

[trotsky]

Post by BTR1701
Anti-gun activist David Hogg thinks that Canadian nationals can donate to
political campaigns in the United States.
Michael Moore has to correct him and then gently takes the mic away.
https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1038855241607729152
Instead of an indulgent roadshow with man-child Michael Moore, young Hogg
needs to get off the stage, have an adult intervention, and submit himself
to a proper education.

That is heinous. And to quote Trump, "Why was there a Civil War?
Nobody asks that question."

[Ubiquitous]

Post by BTR1701
Anti-gun activist David Hogg thinks that Canadian nationals can donate to
political campaigns in the United States.
Michael Moore has to correct him and then gently takes the mic away.
https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1038855241607729152
Instead of an indulgent roadshow with man-child Michael Moore, young
Hogg needs to get off the stage, have an adult intervention, and submit
himself to a proper education.

Speaking of whom, I noticed some channel, I think it was TBS, announcing
a revival of "TV Nation".

I guess some people never learn.

[Ubiquitous]

Post by BTR1701
Anti-gun activist David Hogg thinks that Canadian nationals can donate to
political campaigns in the United States.
Michael Moore has to correct him and then gently takes the mic away.
https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1038855241607729152
Instead of an indulgent roadshow with man-child Michael Moore, young
Hogg needs to get off the stage, have an adult intervention, and submit
himself to a proper education.

That Camera Hogg must work hard to be so stupid.