How Microtubules Cause Life After Death: In 650 Words

On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 03:25:07 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
I am interested in an erudite opinion of this theory
which is currently attracting worldwide attention on my
How Microtubules Cause Life After Death: In 650 Words
https://goo.gl/BmejA1
It is illustrated with electron microscope pictures of
microtubules and is only 650 words long, in readable 14 pt.
type.
It is a short barreled point blank Physics/Biology theory
of how Life After Death actually works!
I estimate the scientific probability of this theory
being true at around 40%. That's better odds than a lottery
ticket!
If you can muster an erudite remark about this, many
readers will be interested.
Regards, George Hammond, M.S. Physics (1967)

Talk about pie in the sky / grasping at straws, etc..

http://alt.sci.physics.narkive.com/e0PyWHoB/evidence-microtubules-cause-life-after-death

Now all you have to do is prove that these microtubules are indeed
wave guides, they do have microwave (nanowave?) signals present, the
signals are modulated with intelligence, there is a heaven where these
signals are beamed, etc..

I'm choosing to leave out "Beatific Vision," a god's exalted and
beaming countenance, "eternal life is eternal even if it only lasts
for 17 minutes, and some of the other hokum sprinkled in your
dissertation.

Christopher A. Lee

2017-10-05 09:19:42 UTC

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On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 03:25:07 -0400, George Hammond

Talk about pie in the sky / grasping at straws, etc..

This loonie keeps resurfacing with his unsolicited crackpottery. He's
been in my killfile for years, and I don't know how he escaped it -
possibly he's got a new nym.

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http://alt.sci.physics.narkive.com/e0PyWHoB/evidence-microtubules-cause-life-after-death
Now all you have to do is prove that these microtubules are indeed
wave guides, they do have microwave (nanowave?) signals present, the
signals are modulated with intelligence, there is a heaven where these
signals are beamed, etc..

His usual bullshit is a so-called "scientific proof of God".

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I'm choosing to leave out "Beatific Vision," a god's exalted and
beaming countenance, "eternal life is eternal even if it only lasts
for 17 minutes, and some of the other hokum sprinkled in your
dissertation.

Malcolm McMahon

2017-10-05 09:30:38 UTC

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On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 03:25:07 -0400, George Hammond

Talk about pie in the sky / grasping at straws, etc..
http://alt.sci.physics.narkive.com/e0PyWHoB/evidence-microtubules-cause-life-after-death
Now all you have to do is prove that these microtubules are indeed
wave guides, they do have microwave (nanowave?) signals present, the
signals are modulated with intelligence, there is a heaven where these
signals are beamed, etc..
I'm choosing to leave out "Beatific Vision," a god's exalted and
beaming countenance, "eternal life is eternal even if it only lasts
for 17 minutes, and some of the other hokum sprinkled in your
dissertation.

This sounds like it's based on Penrose's speculation about quantum coherence in the brain. Certainly he was interested in micro-tubules. But the point about microtubules in this context is that they are narrow enough for internal quantum coherence.

Now the new science of quantum biology suggests that life processes at a surprisingly large scale may be dependant on quantum coherence, but the whole brain is _way_ above the scale we're talking about. Its credible that the microtubules may perform some functions in the quantum field, perhaps speed up the response of neurons, but _within_ the cell.

For those interested in quantum biology I would recommend the book "Life on the edge" which, in passing, also speculates about consciousness.

The trap though, is the kind of thinking that goes "Consciousness is mysterious, Quantum mechanics is mysterious - therefor the explanation of consciousness is to be found in quantum mechanics.".

Malcolm McMahon

2017-10-05 14:32:25 UTC

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On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 03:25:07 -0400, George Hammond

Talk about pie in the sky / grasping at straws, etc..
http://alt.sci.physics.narkive.com/e0PyWHoB/evidence-microtubules-cause-life-after-death
Now all you have to do is prove that these microtubules are indeed
wave guides, they do have microwave (nanowave?) signals present, the
signals are modulated with intelligence, there is a heaven where these
signals are beamed, etc..
I'm choosing to leave out "Beatific Vision," a god's exalted and
beaming countenance, "eternal life is eternal even if it only lasts
for 17 minutes, and some of the other hokum sprinkled in your
dissertation.

The only output of an individual neuron is a relatively low bandwidth pulse-train. So, if each neuron contains amazing computational capacity, how could that processing get out into the world?

And, more fundamentally, if there's a switch somewhere that fires and opens up vast reaches of subjective time in the instant of dying, why wouldn't it go off prematurely from time to time?

Why don't we all experience an eternal paradise at random intervals?

George Hammond

2017-10-07 09:31:17 UTC

On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 07:32:25 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon

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On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 03:25:07 -0400, George Hammond

[Malcolm McMahon]
The only output of an individual neuron is a relatively low bandwidth pulse-train.
So, if each neuron contains amazing computational capacity, how could that
processing get out into the world?

[George Hammond]
We're talking about dead people...after "neuronal
flatline" has occured... but the microtubule system
continues to operate for 30 minutes thereafter. This
provides "consciousness" at the microtubule level and
replaces the (now dead) neuronal consciousness.
The only "world" that then exists is a hallucinatory
(dream type) of world in the microtubule consciousness
system. The microtubule consciousness no longer reacts to
the real external world after "neuronal flatline" occurs.
The person is now in a microtubule generated dream world
called "Heaven". So what's the logical problem with that?

[Malcolm McMahon]
And, more fundamentally, if there's a switch somewhere that fires and opens
up vast reaches of subjective time in the instant of dying, why wouldn't it go
off prematurely from time to time?
Why don't we all experience an eternal paradise at random intervals?

[George Hammond]
Microtubule consciousness can only occur AFTER "NEURONAL
FLATLINE" has occured (clinical death, so called). And
furthermore, the "Afterlife ROM dream" only is read out when
and only when it is discovered that the microtubule
consciousness system itself is being destroyed... so by
definition it only occurs once!
For Pete's sake, even the nuclear ICBM systems of the
world are protected against accidental firing... what makes
you think 5 billion years of Evolution couldn't make a
failsafe system for Life After Death?

PS: Thanks Malcolm for your "rigorous analytical
thinking"... One feels compelled to respond to it!

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2017-10-07 13:41:50 UTC

On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 05:31:17 -0400, George Hammond

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On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 07:32:25 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon

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On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 03:25:07 -0400, George Hammond

The logical problem is that there's no evidence to support the
supposition. The idea is to go where the evidence leads; not to
decide what you'd like it to be then look for ways to make it so.

And each of these individual cells stores the sum total of all the
cadaver's experience in life? Or is there a master gateway that
handles the sequencing of data output? One cell serving as a UART for
the whole shebang?

Evidence?

Regarding Heaven... that is a religious construct and you are
borrowing it for your micro tube flim flamery. It could just as
easily be beaming signals to hell, a race of outer-space aliens, the
NSA; or the signals being as weak as they'd be assuming no cell
metabolism etc., would just be absorbed by the surrounding tissue and
dissipated as heat.

People buried at sea and who die in mines just don't get to heaven? It
takes some mighty powerful transmitters and super long wavelengths to
punch an electromagnetic signal through earth or water.

There's no species survival advantage for evolving a fail safe system
of everlasting life, so why would one exist?

There's no evidence for "Microtubule consciousness," and that would be
necessary for all your other theories. Why not prove something first,
then base theories on why it exists?

Post by George Hammond
PS: Thanks Malcolm for your "rigorous analytical
thinking"... One feels compelled to respond to it!

Were you once a scientist?

George Hammond

2017-10-07 19:23:27 UTC

On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 09:41:50 -0400, default

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On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 05:31:17 -0400, George Hammond

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On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 07:32:25 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon

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Evidence?

[George Hammond]
For chrissakes, the EXPERIMENTAL literature on
"microtubules and Consciousness" IS VAST... MOST OF IT
PUBLISHED IN THE LAST 20 YEARS.
As Sir Roger Penrose pointed out as early as 1994 a
Paramecium (1-cell animal) has no brain and no neurons and
no nervouus system, but it does have a microtubule system
which gives it "conscious reaction"... clear evidence of
"microtubule consciousness".
?[Defaault wrote]]

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Regarding Heaven... that is a religious construct and you are
borrowing it for your micro tube flim flamery. It could just as
easily be beaming signals to hell, a race of outer-space aliens, the
NSA; or the signals being as weak as they'd be assuming no cell
metabolism etc., would just be absorbed by the surrounding tissue and
dissipated as heat.

[George Hammond]
Hey, don't post supercilious psyxchobablle.... no one
wants to reaD IT.

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[dEFAAULT WROTE]
People buried at sea and who die in mines just don't get to heaven? It
takes some mighty powerful transmitters and super long wavelengths to
punch an electromagnetic signal through earth or water.

[George Hammond]
Obviously you didn't even READ https://goo.gl/BmejA1
which is only a meaasly 650 words. If you did you'd realize
that the microtubule system operates at 10^15 Hz and can
send you to Heaven in a nanosecod... it can beat lightning,
an H-Bomb, or any for of death... never mind coal mines o
drowning. U don't know what you're talking about!

[Default wrote]
There's no species survival advantage for evolving a fail safe system
of everlasting life, so why would one exist?

[George Hammond wrote]
UTTERLY WRONG.... the fact that the body intrinsically
knows that it is failsafe protected from death is the
intrinsic source of all hope, optimisim, and motifation...
this is POSITIVE FOR DARWINIAN nATURAL SELECTION.

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[Default wrote]]
There's no evidence for "Microtubule consciousness," and that would be
necessary for all your other theories. Why not prove something first,
then base theories on why it exists?

[George Hammond wrote]
Sir Roger Penrose published the first known EVIDENCE of
microtubule consciousness in 1994 in Shadows of the Mind
where he pointed out that a Parameciaum is minimally
conscious, and has no brain and no neurons... so it must be
the microtubule system that causes it's consciousness....
I'll take Sir Roger's opinion over yours thank you!

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Post by George Hammond
PS: Thanks Malcolm for your "rigorous analytical
thinking"... One feels compelled to respond to it!

Were you once a scientist?

[George Hammond]
Wake up Jiboni, my original post states I am M.S. Physics
in 1967.

PS... Keep up the good work Default.... and here's something
to really worry about....
Why would the world's first scientific theory of Life
After Death be appearing in the year 2017 AD?
I'll give you my guess... it could be that God is
thinking of smiting the World with a Nuclear Holocaust that
will kill 3 billion people and end civilizaqtion as we know
it.... maybe Paddock knew it in Las Vegas and was trying to
tell us soething... they can't find any explanation for his
actions.
Maybe Whang Ho (aka Rocket Man) in N. Korea will launch a
nuclear ICBM at Los Angeles and Trump will blow them off the
map and a full scale nuclear war will occur... and most of
the human race will go straight to Hell... with ony a few
survivors going to Heaven. Think about that possibility!

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2017-10-07 20:57:52 UTC

On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 15:23:27 -0400, George Hammond

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On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 09:41:50 -0400, default

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On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 05:31:17 -0400, George Hammond

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On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 07:32:25 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon

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On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 03:25:07 -0400, George Hammond

[Default wrote]

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Evidence?

[George Hammond]
Hey, don't post supercilious psyxchobablle.... no one
wants to reaD IT.

Hey, we are discussing one of the prime tenets of religious belief;
that is to say, it is all babble, drivel, tom-foolery, fiction,
fantasy, incredible, unbelievable, and unlikely as all get-out.

Perhaps you could suggest a source of the paper that doesn't require
me signing up to get it? I practice safe computing...

10 to the 15th power? A smidgen above the frequency of light? Near
UV?

Even a very low frequency electromagnetic wave travels at the speed of
light... Higher frequencies don't travel faster.

What is the modulation scheme?

"The system operates?" I want to see the hardware for detecting this
stuff!

Light is absorbed by many materials, in fact as you start getting into
the ultraviolet range and above many visibly transparent substances
absorb electromagnetic radiation.... I used to work on and around UV
sources and used a spectrophotometer to scan my clear plastic safety
glasses to double check that theory before popping the cover on a
deuterium lamp...

[Default wrote]
There's no species survival advantage for evolving a fail safe system
of everlasting life, so why would one exist?

The body intrinsically knows? Huh? That's proven somewhere? That's
been verified?

Don't you think that discovery should have made the mainstream media?

This is a crackpot idea, but with a big name behind it... Nikola Tesla
was another genius with quirky flights of fancy.

He supposedly discovered quantum vibrations - he didn't tie that to
consciousness and if he had that still doesn't say these things leave
cadavers or transmit consciousness over distances. And quantum
vibrations are present in pretty much all matter, so what's the big
deal?

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Post by George Hammond
PS: Thanks Malcolm for your "rigorous analytical
thinking"... One feels compelled to respond to it!

Were you once a scientist?

[George Hammond]
Wake up Jiboni, my original post states I am M.S. Physics
in 1967.

And that raises the question of when you first noticed (or others
noticed) the dementia?

Post by George Hammond
PS... Keep up the good work Default.... and here's something
to really worry about....
Why would the world's first scientific theory of Life
After Death be appearing in the year 2017 AD?
I'll give you my guess... it could be that God is
thinking of smiting the World with a Nuclear Holocaust that
will kill 3 billion people and end civilizaqtion as we know
it.... maybe Paddock knew it in Las Vegas and was trying to
tell us soething... they can't find any explanation for his
actions.
Maybe Whang Ho (aka Rocket Man) in N. Korea will launch a
nuclear ICBM at Los Angeles and Trump will blow them off the
map and a full scale nuclear war will occur... and most of
the human race will go straight to Hell... with ony a few
survivors going to Heaven. Think about that possibility!

I think your aluminum headgear needs a tune up, and Trump scares the
hell out of me too.

Kim Jong Un, was just playing at global politics until Trump came
along. I read somewhere that the CIA thinks Kim to be rational and
think Trump is the crazy one. Two twisted little insecure children
with tiny dicks IMO.

George Hammond

2017-10-08 09:51:31 UTC

On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 16:57:52 -0400, default

Post by George Hammond
[Defaault wrote]
Perhaps you could suggest a source of the paper that doesn't require
me signing up to get it? I practice safe computing...

[George Hammond wrote]
OK hotshot.... try this URL:

HOW MICROTUBULES CAUSE LIFE AFTER DEATH: iN 650 WORDS
https://goo.gl/1yhtYC

You won't have to join anything or give any info.

NOTICE THAT:

1. tHERE ARE NO "EMANATIONS" FROM ANY "CORPSES" INVOLVED
2. THERE ARE NO EM WAVES TRAVELING INTO OUTER SPACE
3 THE MANNER , PLACE, TIME OR SPEED OF DEATH IS IRRELEVANT

It's only 650 words, so say something eruditE about this...
you'll be the first one to say anything who's actually read
it.

gEORGE (reversed capitolization intentional)

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2017-10-08 12:51:53 UTC

On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 05:51:31 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 16:57:52 -0400, default

Post by George Hammond
[Defaault wrote]
Perhaps you could suggest a source of the paper that doesn't require
me signing up to get it? I practice safe computing...

[George Hammond wrote]
HOW MICROTUBULES CAUSE LIFE AFTER DEATH: iN 650 WORDS
https://goo.gl/1yhtYC
You won't have to join anything or give any info.
1. tHERE ARE NO "EMANATIONS" FROM ANY "CORPSES" INVOLVED
2. THERE ARE NO EM WAVES TRAVELING INTO OUTER SPACE
3 THE MANNER , PLACE, TIME OR SPEED OF DEATH IS IRRELEVANT
It's only 650 words, so say something eruditE about this...
you'll be the first one to say anything who's actually read
it.

That URL gives me:

How
which is: application/x-download
from: http://sh1.webring.com
What should firefox do with this file?
(then the choices)

From poking around the web and inferring what you are trying to do. It
seems that this is a incorrectly coded HTML file and I guessed it was
a PDF and opened it in SumatraPDF.

Basically what you have is very small hollow spaces in neuron bundles,
and you've drawn a standing wave in one example to show (what
exactly?) radio waves or light waves in a wave guide.

So now all you gotta do is detect waves in your waveguides, prove they
are there, then prove they carry intelligence, then prove that
intelligence links them all up so they function for a time after life
has ceased.

That's all. Can you do it? Have you done it?

Now, one of the glaring inconsistencies... In trying to turn what
amounts to a gnarly misshapen tube into a waveguide ignoring the first
fundamental of waveguides: to wit, that the sides be absolutely
parallel; with respect to the frequency they are supposed to pass -
long waves less critical that the surfaces be smooth and parallel.

In order for a waveguide to work, the EM signal must reflect off the
sides, not be scattered or absorbed. Your nerve bundles would not
make good waveguides for EM signals. They might just be fine for
biological transmission of electrical currents with the appropriate
electrolytes however and that would probably not happen at the speed
of light.

I once built a "Muscle Potential Amplifier" for a neurosurgeon who was
working with an orthopedic surgeon. In broken bones, ligaments often
tear, muscle damage occurs, and nerves are severed. The patient may
will the limb to move, but it can't because of the nerve damage. The
patient gives up trying to move it, but the theory was that given
feedback the patient would know that his efforts were doing something.
With that effort the nerves would eventually grow together again. The
nerves don't transmit neat little standing waves; what they do is
transmit impulses. The nerve "fires" and causes a muscle cell to
contract within a millisecond or two, then the cell gradually relaxes
until another signal comes along. Or so the theory went - I'm just
the guy trying to amplify the electrical signals so the patient can
see or hear them (sounds like air/water under high pressure from a
nozzle)

Does that sound like consciousness and microtubes to you?
Consciousness is more likely to be nerves talking to other nerves,
chemically and therefore slowly, or in the fractional millisecond
ranges depending on how far they have to travel.

Now back to waveguides. (one of the lessons I probably slept through)

EM waveguides depend on smooth parallel surfaces and are most often
rectangular in cross section. (but that isn't a prerequisite if my
memory serves me, so it's probably more to do with ease of manufacture
than necessity) Reflection off the parallel surfaces is necessary.
(for the most part; traps, bends, and impedance matching
notwithstanding)

I KNOW from efforts to build wooden organ pipes. (I love to tinker
with stuff - and resonance, Tesla coils, antenna matching, organ
pipes, chime bars, musical instruments, etc. are fascinating). The
sides must be parallel, there's a ratio to maintain between width and
length if you expect the volume to be similar between notes, and there
can't be even the slightest space in the joinery.

I was building wooden, flute, square cross section, pipes for the most
part, but did some PVC, and reed pipes. Unless I painted a the glue
joints with watered wood glue, tiny openings would cause the pipes to
remain silent. Wave guides work well - but do require a modicum of
perfection too. I experimented with several shapes and different
cross sections. When the pipes get over 6' or so they become unwieldy
so I tried large fat boxes and hexicons and other shapes - I could get
them to resonate but the volume was low, I was dealing with cavity
resonance and not standing waves in a tube...

Your "Microtubules" would NOT make waveguides - not for sound and not
for EM energy. But as electrolyte pipes for chemical transmission of
electrical impulses they'd be just the ticket!

Your theory and your incredible extrapolation to consciousness and
life after biological death are just so much wishing it were so IMO.

George Hammond

2017-10-09 15:31:19 UTC

On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 08:51:53 -0400, default

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On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 05:51:31 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 16:57:52 -0400, default

Post by George Hammond
[Defaault wrote]
Perhaps you could suggest a source of the paper that doesn't require
me signing up to get it? I practice safe computing...

[George Hammond wrote]
HOW MICROTUBULES CAUSE LIFE AFTER DEATH: iN 650 WORDS
https://goo.gl/1yhtYC
You won't have to join anything or give any info.

[Default wrote]
How
which is: application/x-download
from: http://sh1.webring.com
What should firefox do with this file?
(then the choices)
From poking around the web and inferring what you are trying to do. It
seems that this is a incorrectly coded HTML file and I guessed it was
a PDF and opened it in SumatraPDF.

[George Hammond]
You guessed correctly.... it is a simple .pdf file and
would have opened instantly automatically if you had
ADOBE-READER on your computer like everyone else in the
world does..

OK... SO i ASSUME YOU FINALLY GOT THE PDF OPEN AND HAVE READ
THE 650 WORD PAPER.........YES?...........OR NO?

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[Default wrote]
Basically what you have is very small hollow spaces in neuron bundles,
and you've drawn a standing wave in one example to show (what
exactly?) radio waves or light waves in a wave guide.

[George Hammond]
I didn't draw that.... notice at the top of the paper it
says "Illustrations are copyrighted by other scientists"
That drawing was published in a peer reviewed scientific
paper by Taaki Musha PhD who is a leading physicist in Japan
and an expert on Microtubules and electormagnetic theory.

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[Default wrote]
So now all you gotta do is detect waves in your waveguides, prove they
are there, then prove they carry intelligence, then prove that
intelligence links them all up so they function for a time after life
has ceased.
That's all. Can you do it? Have you done it?

[George Hammond]
You are totally unaware of the VAST peer reviewed
scinetific literature of Microtubules and Brain Function.
You can't "line item" critique such a vast literature now 20
years old and involving thousands of scientists world
wide... the vast weight of the evidence makes the thesis of
my paper SCIENTIFICALLY PLAUSIBLE... And that is the only
thing I'm claiming..... SCIENTIFIC PLAUSIBILITY !!!!
Please note that it is the firstt scientifically plausibe
theory of life after death in the HISTORY of the world!!

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[Default wrote]
Now, one of the glaring inconsistencies... In trying to turn what
amounts to a gnarly misshapen tube into a waveguide ignoring the first
fundamental of waveguides: to wit, that the sides be absolutely
parallel; with respect to the frequency they are supposed to pass -
long waves less critical that the surfaces be smooth and parallel.
In order for a waveguide to work, the EM signal must reflect off the
sides, not be scattered or absorbed. Your nerve bundles would not
make good waveguides for EM signals. They might just be fine for
biological transmission of electrical currents with the appropriate
electrolytes however and that would probably not happen at the speed
of light.

[George Hammond wrote]
WRONG.. WRONG... WRONG !!
You are apparently unaware of "dielectric waveguides"....
and CERTAINLY you are unaware of "superradiance" in a
waveguide (discovered by famous Princeton physicist Robt.
Dicke in 1954). Superradiance is a quantum effect due to the
fact that the microtubules are filled with water and only
15-nanometers inside diameter. Water confined that closely
has "ordered strucutre" and is capable of quantum coherent
transmision of EM radiation which is ABSOLUTELY LOSSLESS..
100% TRANSMISSION EFFICIENCY. Thuis is quite common in
quantum biology.. clorophyl in plants quantum mechanically
transmist every photon landing on a leaf to the reaction
centers with 100% EFFICIENCY due to this quantm effect....
the same is believed to exist in microtubules... so
therefore all your concers of "twisted waveguides" and
"dissipation" are absolutely IRRELEVANT. And obviously, the
entire microtubufle system is one big SPEED OF LIGHT "FIOS"
SYSTEM.

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[Default wrote]
I once built a "Muscle Potential Amplifier" for a neurosurgeon who was
working with an orthopedic surgeon. In broken bones, ligaments often
tear, muscle damage occurs, and nerves are severed. The patient may
will the limb to move, but it can't because of the nerve damage. The
patient gives up trying to move it, but the theory was that given
feedback the patient would know that his efforts were doing something.
With that effort the nerves would eventually grow together again. The
nerves don't transmit neat little standing waves; what they do is
transmit impulses. The nerve "fires" and causes a muscle cell to
contract within a millisecond or two, then the cell gradually relaxes
until another signal comes along. Or so the theory went - I'm just
the guy trying to amplify the electrical signals so the patient can
see or hear them (sounds like air/water under high pressure from a
nozzle)
Does that sound like consciousness and microtubes to you?
Consciousness is more likely to be nerves talking to other nerves,
chemically and therefore slowly, or in the fractional millisecond
ranges depending on how far they have to travel.

[George Hammond wrote]
"Consciousness"... fer chrissakes.. only lightweights are
interested in "consciousness".... heavyweights are wondering
is microtubules can cause life after death !!!!

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[Default wrote]
Now back to waveguides. (one of the lessons I probably slept through)
EM waveguides depend on smooth parallel surfaces and are most often
rectangular in cross section. (but that isn't a prerequisite if my
memory serves me, so it's probably more to do with ease of manufacture
than necessity) Reflection off the parallel surfaces is necessary.
(for the most part; traps, bends, and impedance matching
notwithstanding)

[George Hammond]
As esplained above... "waveguides 101" is hardly relevant
here.... microtubules are "quantum mechanical waveguides"
as explained above.

[George Hammonmd wrote]
SNIP CLASSICAL THEORY OF ORGAN PIPES AND MICROWAVE
WAVEGUIDES... IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION

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[dEFAULT WROTE]
Your "Microtubules" would NOT make waveguides - not for sound and not
for EM energy. But as electrolyte pipes for chemical transmission of
electrical impulses they'd be just the ticket!

[gEORGE hAMMOND WROTE]
ABSOLUTESLY DEAD WRONG
Microtubules are not "classical waveguides" theyy have
long been recognized to be "quantum mechanical waveguides"
operating with SUPERRADIANCE and LOSSLESS 100% QUANTUM
MECHANICAL EFFICIENCY.
You are TOTALLY UNAWARE of the vast literature on this
subject.

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[Default wrote]
Your theory and your incredible extrapolation to consciousness and
life after biological death are just so much wishing it were so IMO.

[George Hammond]
Due to the scientific lacunae in you technical knowedge,
hour "humble opinion" isn't worth the paper it's written on
in this case.
But don't go away mad..... on a scale of 1 to 10, I rate
you a clear 10 for having the alertness and intrepid
bravery to merely responding to my post.

regards, gEORGE

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2017-10-09 18:25:34 UTC

On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:31:19 -0400, George Hammond

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On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 08:51:53 -0400, default

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On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 16:57:52 -0400, default

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[Defaault wrote]
Perhaps you could suggest a source of the paper that doesn't require
me signing up to get it? I practice safe computing...

[George Hammond wrote]
HOW MICROTUBULES CAUSE LIFE AFTER DEATH: iN 650 WORDS
https://goo.gl/1yhtYC
You won't have to join anything or give any info.

[George Hammond]
You guessed correctly.... it is a simple .pdf file and
would have opened instantly automatically if you had
ADOBE-READER on your computer like everyone else in the
world does..
OK... SO i ASSUME YOU FINALLY GOT THE PDF OPEN AND HAVE READ
THE 650 WORD PAPER.........YES?...........OR NO?

Yes and it is still so much hogwash, and again I ask were you a
scientist? NOT YOUR EDUCATION, your experience.

Wow! There's more quackpottery in physics than I would have believed
possible! Obviously no leading expert in biology.

You are misusing the word "plausible" if you have zilch to back up
your theories. You haven't even proven possible, and want to go for
plausible already?

You have no experimental evidence, just flights of fantasy, to support
what appears to be a religious belief.

Other than superconductivity I seriously doubt anything has 100%
transmission efficiency.

Cite something credible then. Waveguides filled with water have a
name, we call them attenuators - good for turning em energy into heat
energy.

I seem to remember nerves requiring electrolytes and that would not be
water, but an electrically conductive solution of magnesium, calcium
chloride, sodium and potassium - even worse for waveguides.

[George Hammond wrote]
"Consciousness"... fer chrissakes.. only lightweights are
interested in "consciousness".... heavyweights are wondering
is microtubules can cause life after death !!!!

Huh? Without consciousness what are you calling life?

I believe that there is life after death, but after the brain is dead
there is no human life present, no consciousness, just a skin full of
cells dying in their own waste products over time.

Bacterial processes go on longer after death.

I'd go one further I think someone with a profound degree of dementia,
or Creutzfeldt-Jakob, spongiform encephalopathy, etc. is no longer
alive in any human sense of the word.

[George Hammond]
As esplained above... "waveguides 101" is hardly relevant
here.... microtubules are "quantum mechanical waveguides"
as explained above.
[George Hammonmd wrote]
SNIP CLASSICAL THEORY OF ORGAN PIPES AND MICROWAVE
WAVEGUIDES... IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION

Yet some bozo has drawn standing waves in these so-called waveguides
of yours. So if not EM or Sound standing waves, what manner of media
are these waves traveling in?

Holy Spirit waves? Allah fluid? Cosmic Oneness gas?

Or just wishful thinking?

It matters not a whit, if you can't prove any of your theories.

Post by default
[Default wrote]
Your theory and your incredible extrapolation to consciousness and
life after biological death are just so much wishing it were so IMO.

Suffering fools is not bravery or a virtue, it is just a form of
entertainment.

Atlatl Axolotl

2017-10-09 19:05:39 UTC

Post by default
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:31:19 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 08:51:53 -0400, default

Post by default
On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 05:51:31 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 16:57:52 -0400, default

Post by George Hammond
[Defaault wrote]
Perhaps you could suggest a source of the paper that doesn't require
me signing up to get it? I practice safe computing...

[George Hammond wrote]
HOW MICROTUBULES CAUSE LIFE AFTER DEATH: iN 650 WORDS
https://goo.gl/1yhtYC
You won't have to join anything or give any info.

[George Hammond]
You guessed correctly.... it is a simple .pdf file and
would have opened instantly automatically if you had
ADOBE-READER on your computer like everyone else in the
world does..
OK... SO i ASSUME YOU FINALLY GOT THE PDF OPEN AND HAVE READ
THE 650 WORD PAPER.........YES?...........OR NO?

Yes and it is still so much hogwash, and again I ask were you a
scientist? NOT YOUR EDUCATION, your experience.

[George Hammond]

.> > I didn't draw that.... notice at the top of the paper it
.> >says "Illustrations are copyrighted by other scientists"
.> >That drawing was published in a peer reviewed scientific
.> >paper by Taaki Musha PhD who is a leading physicist in Japan
.> >and an expert on Microtubules and electormagnetic theory.
.> Wow! There's more quackpottery in physics than I would have believed
.> possible! Obviously no leading expert in biology.

Just scanning the blurbs about some of his books will make your
skeptisense tingle. Heim theory? Puthoff's inertialess drive?
Superluminal photons? "the gravitational anomaly induced by the
massive electrostatic charges of planets"?

I must also note that in this exchange, Hammond is
far far ahead of you in terms of the CAPITAL LETTER METRIC.

aa

You are misusing the word "plausible" if you have zilch to back up
your theories. You haven't even proven possible, and want to go for
plausible already?
You have no experimental evidence, just flights of fantasy, to support
what appears to be a religious belief.

Other than superconductivity I seriously doubt anything has 100%
transmission efficiency.
Cite something credible then. Waveguides filled with water have a
name, we call them attenuators - good for turning em energy into heat
energy.
I seem to remember nerves requiring electrolytes and that would not be
water, but an electrically conductive solution of magnesium, calcium
chloride, sodium and potassium - even worse for waveguides.

[George Hammond wrote]
"Consciousness"... fer chrissakes.. only lightweights are
interested in "consciousness".... heavyweights are wondering
is microtubules can cause life after death !!!!

Huh? Without consciousness what are you calling life?
I believe that there is life after death, but after the brain is dead
there is no human life present, no consciousness, just a skin full of
cells dying in their own waste products over time.
Bacterial processes go on longer after death.
I'd go one further I think someone with a profound degree of dementia,
or Creutzfeldt-Jakob, spongiform encephalopathy, etc. is no longer
alive in any human sense of the word.

[George Hammond]
As esplained above... "waveguides 101" is hardly relevant
here.... microtubules are "quantum mechanical waveguides"
as explained above.
[George Hammonmd wrote]
SNIP CLASSICAL THEORY OF ORGAN PIPES AND MICROWAVE
WAVEGUIDES... IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION

Yet some bozo has drawn standing waves in these so-called waveguides
of yours. So if not EM or Sound standing waves, what manner of media
are these waves traveling in?
Holy Spirit waves? Allah fluid? Cosmic Oneness gas?
Or just wishful thinking?

It matters not a whit, if you can't prove any of your theories.

Post by default
[Default wrote]
Your theory and your incredible extrapolation to consciousness and
life after biological death are just so much wishing it were so IMO.

Suffering fools is not bravery or a virtue, it is just a form of
entertainment.

default

2017-10-09 20:50:18 UTC

On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 12:05:39 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl

Post by Atlatl Axolotl
Just scanning the blurbs about some of his books will make your
skeptisense tingle. Heim theory? Puthoff's inertialess drive?
Superluminal photons? "the gravitational anomaly induced by the
massive electrostatic charges of planets"?

A degree does not bestow wisdom or even understanding. It is amazing
to me how many PhD's come up with crackpot theories, or how many seem
to think that because they have a smattering of knowledge in one
field, it makes them experts in all fields.

Many won't listen to reason and seem to regard engineers as beneath
them. We had this one PhD that allowed a salesman to talk her into a
temperature control for the oil-diffusion pump on her electron
microscope. (basically a car radiator thermostat - but more costly)
It would hunt continuously due to the fact that her particular
microscope used the chilled water to cool the electronics, before it
got to the diffusion pump - and took minutes to make the trip. It
would shut down the flow trying to raise the pump temperature,
meanwhile the electronics are overheating, and when the over heated
water hit the pump it would open up the flow again - and would just
sit there and go hot and cold. (and risk destroying the electronics)

I couldn't convince her that without major plumbing changes it would
never work. I even went so far as to recreate the system (and
problem) with just pumps heaters/chillers and tubing in my lab with
temperature monitoring in each section of pipe, to no avail. She
remained adamant that I must be wrong because the salesman said it
would work.

Post by Atlatl Axolotl
I must also note that in this exchange, Hammond is
far far ahead of you in terms of the CAPITAL LETTER METRIC.
aa

I'm sure my Caps Lock button works as well as his.

Atlatl Axolotl

2017-10-09 21:00:49 UTC

Post by default
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 12:05:39 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl

.> A degree does not bestow wisdom or even understanding. It is amazing
.> to me how many PhD's come up with crackpot theories, or how many seem
.> to think that because they have a smattering of knowledge in one
.> field, it makes them experts in all fields.

Even Nobel Laureates -- Pauling, Montagnier, Mullis, Josephson, ...

Post by default
Many won't listen to reason and seem to regard engineers as beneath
them. We had this one PhD that allowed a salesman to talk her into a
temperature control for the oil-diffusion pump on her electron
microscope. (basically a car radiator thermostat - but more costly)
It would hunt continuously due to the fact that her particular
microscope used the chilled water to cool the electronics, before it
got to the diffusion pump - and took minutes to make the trip. It
would shut down the flow trying to raise the pump temperature,
meanwhile the electronics are overheating, and when the over heated
water hit the pump it would open up the flow again - and would just
sit there and go hot and cold. (and risk destroying the electronics)
I couldn't convince her that without major plumbing changes it would
never work. I even went so far as to recreate the system (and
problem) with just pumps heaters/chillers and tubing in my lab with
temperature monitoring in each section of pipe, to no avail. She
remained adamant that I must be wrong because the salesman said it
would work.

Dunno whether to laugh or cry. Maybe both.

aa

Post by Atlatl Axolotl
I must also note that in this exchange, Hammond is
far far ahead of you in terms of the CAPITAL LETTER METRIC.
aa

I'm sure my Caps Lock button works as well as his.

George Hammond

2017-10-10 02:32:36 UTC

On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 14:25:34 -0400, default

Post by George Hammond
[Default wrote]
You are misusing the word "plausible" if you have zilch to back up
your theories. You haven't even proven possible, and want to go for
plausible already?
You have no experimental evidence, just flights of fantasy, to support
what appears to be a religious belief.

[George Hammond]
Your claim of "no experimental evidence" is just
handwaving amateur nonsense.
Vast research by thousands of scientists published in
numerous peer reviewied journals working on WATER have
already IDENTIFIED the source and frequency of the light
waves travelling thru the microtubules as due to a 5d
electron orbital transition of the water molecule at 12.06
eV (102.8 nanometers, 2.9 x 10^15 Hz). You don't know what
you're talking about!
I'd be glad to cite the references (DelGuidice, Caliguiri,
etc.)

Post by George Hammond
[Default wrote]
Now, one of the glaring inconsistencies... In trying to turn what
amounts to a gnarly misshapen tube into a waveguide ignoring the first
fundamental of waveguides: to wit, that the sides be absolutely
parallel; with respect to the frequency they are supposed to pass -
long waves less critical that the surfaces be smooth and parallel.
In order for a waveguide to work, the EM signal must reflect off the
sides, not be scattered or absorbed. Your nerve bundles would not
make good waveguides for EM signals. They might just be fine for
biological transmission of electrical currents with the appropriate
electrolytes however and that would probably not happen at the speed
of light.

[Default wrote]
Other than superconductivity I seriously doubt anything has 100%
transmission efficiency.

[George Hammond]
WE PRECISELY ARE talking about a auaqntumf mechanical
process similar to superconductivity. Wake up!

Post by George Hammond
[Default wrote]
Cite something credible then. Waveguides filled with water have a
name, we call them attenuators - good for turning em energy into heat
energy.

[George Hammond]
Dummy up for chrissakes... waveguides filled with water
are only "attenuators" for CLASSICAL em THEORY (centimeter
waveguides)... with nanometer waveguides the transmission is
quantum mechanical, superradiance (self induced
transparency) intervenes and the transmission becomes
virtually lossless. You simply don't know enough modern
physics and are citing physics knowlege which is 50 years
old!

Post by George Hammond
[Default wrote]
I seem to remember nerves requiring electrolytes and that would not be
water, but an electrically conductive solution of magnesium, calcium
chloride, sodium and potassium - even worse for waveguides.

[George Hammond wrote]
Electrolytes, diffusion, classical EM theory... your
physics is 50 years out od date..... you're boring us with
your total ignorance of quantum mechanics!
SNIP

Post by George Hammond
[George Hammond wrote]
"Consciousness"... fer chrissakes.. only lightweights are
interested in "consciousness".... heavyweights are wondering
is microtubules can cause life after death !!!!

Huh? Without consciousness what are you calling life?

[George Hammond]
"Life" is anything created by DNA replication.
"Consciousness" is a property of any system which can sense
the envioronment and logically react to it. When that
control system is up and running, it is said to be
CONSCIOUS, and when that control system is shut off, it is
said to be UNCONSCIOUS. It's as simple as that...
"consciousness" is a simple and obvious self evident
concept..... the phenomenon of "God" which is a description
of what happens to consciousness when the animal has a
"growth deficit" is the mystery that scientists fail to
understand and this impues a simple concept lie
"consciousness" with MYSTICAL properties.
Believe me, there is nothing "mystical" about Life,
conscisouness or God as far as I am concerned. All 3
quantifies are real, explainable scientific phenomena as far
as I am concerned.... the problem is created by ignorant
people who can't figure out what a simple scientic concept
like "God" is..... people like you for instance!

Post by George Hammond
[Default wrote]
I believe that there is life after death, but after the brain is dead
there is no human life present, no consciousness, just a skin full of
cells dying in their own waste products over time.

[George Hammond]
Again... you are ignorant of scientific facts. The
microtubule system requires neither glucose or oxyygen
refreshment and therefor remaisn operating for up to 30
minutes after heartbeat, braeathing and nuron firing stop.
Therefore the microtubule system by default is the only
"consciousness system" still operating. Mind you all of
human memory is encoded in the tubulin switching positions
in the walls of the microtubules. So what the microtubule
syustem is doing is "dreaming"... and this afterlife dream
is known as Life After Death.
Now given the eiisting evidence... don't ell me that Life
After Death can be ruled "impossible".... no... clearly
under the circumstances.. it IS POSSIBLE.... EVEN PROBABLE!

Post by George Hammond
Bacterial processes go on longer after death.
I'd go one further I think someone with a profound degree of dementia,
or Creutzfeldt-Jakob, spongiform encephalopathy, etc. is no longer
alive in any human sense of the word.

SNIP

Post by George Hammond
[dEFAULT WROTE]
Yet some bozo has drawn standing waves in these so-called waveguides
of yours. So if not EM or Sound standing waves, what manner of media
are these waves traveling in?
Holy Spirit waves? Allah fluid? Cosmic Oneness gas?
Or just wishful thinking?

[George Hammond]
Don't be a namecalling idiot.... they are
PHOTONS...ELECTROMAGNETIC LIGHT WAVES of frequency 2.9x10^15
Hz and 102.8 nanometer wavelength... we know exactly what
they are and where they come form... they come from a 5d
electron orbital transition of the water molecule at 12.06
ev. and they are traveling thru "electomagnetically
transparent wate"r in a process experimentally well known
and known as "superradiance") (Dicke 1954, Jibu 1994)

Post by George Hammond
[dEFAULT WROTE]
Your "Microtubules" would NOT make waveguides - not for sound and not
for EM energy. But as electrolyte pipes for chemical transmission of
electrical impulses they'd be just the ticket!

[Default wrote]

Post by George Hammond
It matters not a whit, if you can't prove any of your theories.

[George Hammond]
Baloney an exaggerated false claim by someone who doesn't
know what he's talking about and could care less.

Post by George Hammond
Default wrote]
Suffering fools is not bravery or a virtue, it is just a form of
entertainment.

[George Hammond]
yeah... that's what Jesus said to Peter... and you better
believe it.

default

2017-10-10 11:36:31 UTC

On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 22:32:36 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 14:25:34 -0400, default

[Default wrote]
Other than superconductivity I seriously doubt anything has 100%
transmission efficiency.

[George Hammond]
WE PRECISELY ARE talking about a auaqntumf mechanical
process similar to superconductivity. Wake up!

Making up words now? The Catholic Church does that too, except they
couch their gibberish with Latin sounding syntax.

Post by George Hammond
[Default wrote]
Cite something credible then. Waveguides filled with water have a
name, we call them attenuators - good for turning em energy into heat
energy.

[George Hammond wrote]
Electrolytes, diffusion, classical EM theory... your
physics is 50 years out od date..... you're boring us with
your total ignorance of quantum mechanics!

Boring us? You have a mouse in your pocket?

Post by George Hammond
SNIP

Huh? Without consciousness what are you calling life?

You are correct that I don't know more than what I read about quantum
mechanics, and that mostly regarding real or theorized optical or
electronic switches.. but I suspect you may be more ignorant than I,
when you start spouting made-up words and have to invoke deities.

But I think I have the source of your confusion. Check out:
http://www.jir.com/graph_contest/index.html#OneGraph

Like I already alluded.. this hogwash is straight out of the "Journal
of Irreproducible Results."

SNIP

You seem to be caught up in believing that theoretical predictive
physics is real, and have formed a highly speculative (to say the
least) theory based on even weaker unproven theories.

OK, lets say that super mysterious things happen at the quantum level
involving tiny tubes. How in hell does that lead to predictions of
consciousness? Individual cells may live, but don't exhibit
consciousness, any more than bacteria do - they can replicate and that
is pretty much all they can do, unless the cells serve a larger more
complex creature... then it takes trillions of cells working in
concert. You think they communicate with far UV light or soft X-rays?

I look up some of the research and find the predominance of people
with that ("your") idea hold degrees in Anesthesiology, Psychology,
Theology, Psychiatry, et cetera.

[Default wrote]

Post by George Hammond
It matters not a whit, if you can't prove any of your theories.

[George Hammond]
Baloney an exaggerated false claim by someone who doesn't
know what he's talking about and could care less.

I think I care a great deal - about what crackpot religious ideas
allowed to fester in the minds of demented evil people can do.

Post by George Hammond
Default wrote]
Suffering fools is not bravery or a virtue, it is just a form of
entertainment.

[George Hammond]
yeah... that's what Jesus said to Peter... and you better
believe it.

Oh Yeah! I remember that sermon! Goes something like:

"Verily, Verily, I say unto you, your righteousness may exceed the
righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, and thou may allow all to
know the irreproachable understanding of microtubule consciousness.

And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people
were astonished. "But Lord," they cried, in anguish "when will this
be revealed to us?" Jesus told them "A great man bearing the name of
Holy Hammond, shall make this known unto you."

"But Lord," they cried, "how will we know him?" Jesus was taken aback
at these words, but replied "You will know him when you see his
nogginnum juxtiposed with his fundament." And there was peace among
the multitudes.

Gospel - according to default.

Lighten up George, you'll live longer.

Atlatl Axolotl

2017-10-10 13:35:23 UTC

Post by default
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 22:32:36 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 14:25:34 -0400, default

[Default wrote]
Other than superconductivity I seriously doubt anything has 100%
transmission efficiency.

[George Hammond]
WE PRECISELY ARE talking about a auaqntumf mechanical
process similar to superconductivity. Wake up!

Making up words now? The Catholic Church does that too, except they
couch their gibberish with Latin sounding syntax.

Post by George Hammond
[Default wrote]
Cite something credible then. Waveguides filled with water have a
name, we call them attenuators - good for turning em energy into heat
energy.

[George Hammond wrote]
Electrolytes, diffusion, classical EM theory... your

,> >physics is 50 years out od date..... you're boring us with
,> >your total ignorance of quantum mechanics!
,> Boring us? You have a mouse in your pocket?

That's actually an accepted form of address.
Technically it's called the Pretentious Plural.

Post by George Hammond
SNIP

Huh? Without consciousness what are you calling life?

.> But I think I have the source of your confusion. Check out:
.> http://www.jir.com/graph_contest/index.html#OneGraph

Omigod! Omigod! It converges on ....... THE SINGULARITY!!!

. >Like I already alluded.. this hogwash is straight out of the "Journal
.> of Irreproducible Results."

Or possibly the Worm Runners' Digest. Planarian woo rather than quantum woo.

SNIP

You seem to be caught up in believing that theoretical predictive
physics is real, and have formed a highly speculative (to say the
least) theory based on even weaker unproven theories.
OK, lets say that super mysterious things happen at the quantum level
involving tiny tubes. How in hell does that lead to predictions of
consciousness? Individual cells may live, but don't exhibit
consciousness, any more than bacteria do - they can replicate and that
is pretty much all they can do, unless the cells serve a larger more
complex creature... then it takes trillions of cells working in
concert. You think they communicate with far UV light or soft X-rays?
I look up some of the research and find the predominance of people
with that ("your") idea hold degrees in Anesthesiology, Psychology,
Theology, Psychiatry, et cetera.

[Default wrote]

Post by George Hammond
It matters not a whit, if you can't prove any of your theories.

[George Hammond]
Baloney an exaggerated false claim by someone who doesn't
know what he's talking about and could care less.

I think I care a great deal - about what crackpot religious ideas
allowed to fester in the minds of demented evil people can do.

Post by George Hammond
Default wrote]
Suffering fools is not bravery or a virtue, it is just a form of
entertainment.

[George Hammond]
yeah... that's what Jesus said to Peter... and you better
believe it.

"Verily, Verily, I say unto you, your righteousness may exceed the
righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, and thou may allow all to
know the irreproachable understanding of microtubule consciousness.
And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people
were astonished. "But Lord," they cried, in anguish "when will this
be revealed to us?" Jesus told them "A great man bearing the name of
Holy Hammond, shall make this known unto you."
"But Lord," they cried, "how will we know him?" Jesus was taken aback
at these words, but replied "You will know him when you see his
nogginnum juxtiposed with his fundament." And there was peace among
the multitudes.
Gospel - according to default.
Lighten up George, you'll live longer.

Heh.

Atlatl Axolotl

George Hammond

2017-10-11 04:33:46 UTC

On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 07:36:31 -0400, default

Post by George Hammond
[George Hammond]
WE PRECISELY ARE talking about a auaqntumf mechanical
process similar to superconductivity. Wake up!

Making up words now? The Catholic Church does that too, except they
couch their gibberish with Latin sounding syntax.

[George Hammond]
Hey.... I'm going blind from diabetes and can't read 10
point type anymore.... those are typographical errors for
chrissakes.... don't you know it takes 50 years of constant
study to really know anything ! Thay's who you're talking
to right now for chrissakes !

Post by George Hammond
[George Hammond]
Don't be a namecalling idiot.... they are
PHOTONS...ELECTROMAGNETIC LIGHT WAVES of frequency 2.9x10^15
Hz and 102.8 nanometer wavelength... we know exactly what
they are and where they come form... they come from a 5d
electron orbital transition of the water molecule at 12.06
ev. and they are traveling thru "electomagnetically
transparent wate"r in a process experimentally well known
and known as "superradiance") (Dicke 1954, Jibu 1994)

OK, lets say that super mysterious things happen at the quantum level
involving tiny tubes. How in hell does that lead to predictions of
consciousness? Individual cells may live, but don't exhibit
consciousness, any more than bacteria do - they can replicate and that
is pretty much all they can do, unless the cells serve a larger more
complex creature... then it takes trillions of cells working in
concert. You think they communicate with far UV light or soft X-rays?

[George Hammond]
Look, dummy up wise one, a simple wall thermostat is
"conscious" because it can sense temperature and react
logically to it.
Don't get sucked into the "consciousness is a mystery"
coming out of the Tuscon Center for Consciousness Studies.
You've got to undestand that "consciousness" is a simple
concept.....however it is vastly affected (i.e. made
mysterious) by the scientific phenomenon known popularly as
"God" which baffles the scientists because they don't know
what "God" is. And neither do you.

Post by default
I look up some of the research and find the predominance of people
with that ("your") idea hold degrees in Anesthesiology, Psychology,
Theology, Psychiatry, et cetera.

[George Hammond]
Here's my CV.... now lets see yours yours?

CURRICULUM VITAE

GEORGE HAMMOND

B.S. Physics 1964, Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Worcester MA, USA
M.S. Physics 1967, Northeastern University,
Boston MA, USA
Ph.D. Candidate and Teaching Fellow in Physics, 1967-68
Northeastern Univ. Boston MA
Note: Studied Relativity under Prof. Richard Arnowitt
at N.U. and who is presently Distinguished
Professor of Physics at TAMU

Post by default
Lighten up George, you'll live longer.

[George Hammond]
I'm 75 at the time of this writing.... that's a hell of a
lot older than you junior !

default

2017-10-11 11:51:52 UTC

On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 00:33:46 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 07:36:31 -0400, default

Post by George Hammond
[George Hammond]
WE PRECISELY ARE talking about a auaqntumf mechanical
process similar to superconductivity. Wake up!

Making up words now? The Catholic Church does that too, except they
couch their gibberish with Latin sounding syntax.

Diet and exercise... Especially as one ages. Raises metabolism, you
feel great, and improves mental acuity.

I have poor vision in one eye, I think the lens they put in slipped,
but as long as I have peripheral vision I can manage. (but working on
electronics and cars is harder, woodworking is still easy)

I "touch type," or that's what two handed typing without looking at
the keyboard was called when I learned in high school. Think a word
and it almost types itself, but that does make for the occasional
typo, even with a spell checker.

[George Hammond]
Look, dummy up wise one, a simple wall thermostat is
"conscious" because it can sense temperature and react
logically to it.

Huh?! You set the bar too low.

from merriam-webster:
consciousness. 1 :the totality in psychology of sensations,
perceptions, ideas, attitudes, and feelings of which an individual or
a group is aware at any given time or within a given time span.
altered states of consciousness, such as sleep, dreaming and hypnosis.

Not a thermostat... Not even the most sophisticated PID
(proportionalintegralderivative) controller can be considered
conscious, it is just a machine doing what some one programmed it
with.

All animals seem to exhibit some understanding of what it means to be
alive - they are conscious and capable of emotion too. A two year old
cat would have more in that respect than a newborn human child.

Consciousness is not understood and therefore, by definition, it is a
mystery....

Post by George Hammond
Don't get sucked into the "consciousness is a mystery"
coming out of the Tuscon Center for Consciousness Studies.
You've got to undestand that "consciousness" is a simple
concept.....however it is vastly affected (i.e. made
mysterious) by the scientific phenomenon known popularly as
"God" which baffles the scientists because they don't know
what "God" is. And neither do you.

I see no evidence for gods. I don't find that "baffling." What is
baffling is how so many people have been brainwashed into believing in
gods, without a shred of proof.

Post by default
I look up some of the research and find the predominance of people
with that ("your") idea hold degrees in Anesthesiology, Psychology,
Theology, Psychiatry, et cetera.

[George Hammond]
Here's my CV.... now lets see yours yours?
CURRICULUM VITAE
GEORGE HAMMOND
B.S. Physics 1964, Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Worcester MA, USA
M.S. Physics 1967, Northeastern University,
Boston MA, USA
Ph.D. Candidate and Teaching Fellow in Physics, 1967-68
Northeastern Univ. Boston MA
Note: Studied Relativity under Prof. Richard Arnowitt
at N.U. and who is presently Distinguished
Professor of Physics at TAMU

That's your employment history? What do you know about life and
people? What excites you? What turns you on? What have you done
with your life?

Post by default
Lighten up George, you'll live longer.

[George Hammond]
I'm 75 at the time of this writing.... that's a hell of a
lot older than you junior !

No, you're just a few years older. (chronologically) We approach life
differently is all. I got out of bed at 4 AM so I could load up my
boat, drive to the lake, and spend an hour kayaking ~4-5 miles. I
don't relish getting up that early, but the exercise is necessary for
my well-being, and it's too hot after the sun comes up. I listen to
music and ponder life or whatever technical challenge I'm dealing
with, while I paddle in the dark. When I get home I have a home-brew
ale while the coffee is brewing, and I'm doing chores like rising my
swimsuit, feeding cats, etc.. Then bake bread for breakfast.

How did you spend your morning?

hypatiab7

2017-10-11 12:09:26 UTC

Post by George Hammond
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 14:25:34 -0400, default

Please do. We'd like to see if they actually back up what you're saying.
Default has already done that on some points.

[Default wrote]
Other than superconductivity I seriously doubt anything has 100%
transmission efficiency.

[George Hammond]
WE PRECISELY ARE talking about a auaqntumf mechanical
process similar to superconductivity. Wake up!

Post by George Hammond
[Default wrote]
Cite something credible then. Waveguides filled with water have a
name, we call them attenuators - good for turning em energy into heat
energy.

[George Hammond wrote]
Electrolytes, diffusion, classical EM theory... your
physics is 50 years out od date..... you're boring us with
your total ignorance of quantum mechanics!
SNIP

Huh? Without consciousness what are you calling life?

SNIP

[Default wrote]

Post by George Hammond
It matters not a whit, if you can't prove any of your theories.

[George Hammond]
Baloney an exaggerated false claim by someone who doesn't
know what he's talking about and could care less.

Post by George Hammond
Default wrote]
Suffering fools is not bravery or a virtue, it is just a form of
entertainment.

[George Hammond]
yeah... that's what Jesus said to Peter... and you better
believe it.

Proselytizing is not allowed in alt.atheism, according to our FAX/Charter.
All you're doing is trying to prove your religious beliefs using phony science.
You've already been disproved several times by several people. Now, let's see those cites you said you would show us.

Are you the George Hammond who wrote about the four dimensions of psychometry,
hit your head in 1981 and was never the same? Do you really believe that gravity
causes God?

http://www.insolitology.com/topten/georgehammond.htm

default

2017-10-09 20:21:28 UTC

On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:31:19 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
[George Hammonmd wrote]
SNIP CLASSICAL THEORY OF ORGAN PIPES AND MICROWAVE
WAVEGUIDES... IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION

No. You are the one claiming these biological constructions are akin
to waveguides.

An organ pipe is a wave guide and illustrates how they work and what a
standing wave is, and what makes a good waveguide. All musical
instruments make use of standing waves in some way, wind instruments
use standing waves in air, and strings use reflected vibrations in
tensioned wires, or similar materials, chimes, bells, etc., ditto.

hleopold

2017-10-10 15:26:15 UTC

Post by default
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:31:19 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
[George Hammonmd wrote]
SNIP CLASSICAL THEORY OF ORGAN PIPES AND MICROWAVE
WAVEGUIDES... IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION

No. You are the one claiming these biological constructions are akin
to waveguides.
An organ pipe is a wave guide and illustrates how they work and what a
standing wave is, and what makes a good waveguide. All musical
instruments make use of standing waves in some way, wind instruments
use standing waves in air, and strings use reflected vibrations in
tensioned wires, or similar materials, chimes, bells, etc., ditto.

I had to study waveguides for radar back when I first joined the Navy in
1972. I actually liked them, unlike most of my class I did very well with
them but to me they made perfect sense. For some reason I found it rather
easy to map them out, figure out how to adjust them to actually work. Went
through the school on Treasure Island, got to my ship and never worked on
them again. (Of course since we never got shot at we didn’t have to fix
holes or replace sections.) It was one area that I really shined at, I was
pretty good at most of radar electronics, but that one I did very well.

It might have been that I had played Cornet in band class and partly because
I helped take, and put back together, a pipe organ for one of the churches in
my hometown. The guy doing it taught me a lot about standing waves and how to
think in them,

I always visualized them as sound tubes, or organ pipes, count your waves,
terminate. Hmmm, actually sounds a lot like SCSI on my early Macs, those
could be tons of fun if things didn’t go correctly.

I really need to dig out my old class books on waveguides, I think I still
have them somewhere, might be at my sisters from when she cleaned out my
dads’ house after he died.

I hate to say it, but I think you have pretty well dumped on poor
Hammonmd’s parade.

Oh, right, I DON’T hate to say it, Hammond is a complete moron and an
annoyance, has been one for most of a decade at least.

--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness (remove gene to email)

“Out there, in some distant misty corner of the Internet, is the sound of
someone giving a fuck. You need to go find that poor besnotted bobbleheaded
dungpile and talk to it instead.“-Doc Smartass

default

2017-10-10 17:47:22 UTC

Post by default
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:31:19 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
[George Hammonmd wrote]
SNIP CLASSICAL THEORY OF ORGAN PIPES AND MICROWAVE
WAVEGUIDES... IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION

No. You are the one claiming these biological constructions are akin
to waveguides.
An organ pipe is a wave guide and illustrates how they work and what a
standing wave is, and what makes a good waveguide. All musical
instruments make use of standing waves in some way, wind instruments
use standing waves in air, and strings use reflected vibrations in
tensioned wires, or similar materials, chimes, bells, etc., ditto.

Not that different than my start in electronics. USN ET-A schools
(1965) through phase A3 at G.Lakes then HFDF-M in Pensacola. I worked
as a CTM with a TS-Crypto clearance and was E-6 in 4 years, and got
out in 6 years.

My OM had a Radio and TV repair business and I could play to my
heart's content building things. (he never charged me for the parts
unless I wanted/needed something he didn't already stock) I started
learning when I was 7, and had a head-start in electronics before I
got to school.

I played percussion in the concert and marching bands while in A
school. One of my buddies played cornet then and we both got to
Pensacola for C school. (and tied for first in class)

My C school was for a system that couldn't fit on a warship, so I had
only shore stations. I did get onto the USS Sequoia, to repair the TV
in the crew's quarters. It was the presidential yacht back when
presidents had yachts and I was in D.C. awaiting a background
investigation for a security clearance.

Post by hleopold
It might have been that I had played Cornet in band class and partly because
I helped take, and put back together, a pipe organ for one of the churches in
my hometown. The guy doing it taught me a lot about standing waves and how to
think in them,

My uncle repaired/tuned pipe organs and sold pianos - but my interest
didn't take off until I retired and built a few Tesla coils and
started studying resonance etc..

Post by hleopold
I always visualized them as sound tubes, or organ pipes, count your waves,
terminate. Hmmm, actually sounds a lot like SCSI on my early Macs, those
could be tons of fun if things didnt go correctly.
I really need to dig out my old class books on waveguides, I think I still
have them somewhere, might be at my sisters from when she cleaned out my
dads house after he died.

I seem to remember that they used an analogy where they take an open
transmission line and by spacing a series of elements closer together,
wind up with a solid waveguide. I slept through most of that though.

Post by hleopold
I hate to say it, but I think you have pretty well dumped on poor
Hammonmds parade.
Oh, right, I DONT hate to say it, Hammond is a complete moron and an
annoyance, has been one for most of a decade at least.

I don't bear him any ill will, but it is scary to think that anyone
reading his tripe may actually think there's a scientific
justification for believing in life after death.

Religious people have already learned to swallow a lot of paranormal
crap. I'm afraid cellular level intelligence and microtubule
waveguides aren't that big a stretch to the religiously afflicted
mind.

hleopold

2017-10-11 07:14:41 UTC

Post by default
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:31:19 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
[George Hammonmd wrote]
SNIP CLASSICAL THEORY OF ORGAN PIPES AND MICROWAVE
WAVEGUIDES... IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION

No. You are the one claiming these biological constructions are akin
to waveguides.
An organ pipe is a wave guide and illustrates how they work and what a
standing wave is, and what makes a good waveguide. All musical
instruments make use of standing waves in some way, wind instruments
use standing waves in air, and strings use reflected vibrations in
tensioned wires, or similar materials, chimes, bells, etc., ditto.

I wired/rewired houses, business, some small electronics, motors, pumps etc.,
for my dad (I was his first employee, hell, I was his only employee from age
12 to 20.) Also did sheet metal, design and fabrication of air ducts in new
construction and in enplaced homes and businesses, installed furnaces and
air-conditioning for same.

I was “fair” with electronics, got better with the Navy, but never really
worked it them much after, though I did build a few PC computers for Diane
plus did most of the Macintosh work on my own computers, we were a mixed
couple, I was Mac, she was PC, we got along pretty well in spite of that. ;-)

I played percussion in the concert and marching bands while in A
school. One of my buddies played cornet then and we both got to
Pensacola for C school. (and tied for first in class)

Personally, I sucked at music, I like music, but (according to a guy that I
once worked with for several years, and one time filled in for as a drummer
when the machine he run at a book bindery broke his arm, I have no rhythm -
at all. I was forced to agree with him, next week he had another friend with
no musical ability at all fill in, he was much better.)

The music they played was pretty simple, after all most of the musicians in
it averaged 50 years old. The “fans” were more diverse, from 8 to 108. I
swear on that last.

My C school was for a system that couldn't fit on a warship, so I had
only shore stations. I did get onto the USS Sequoia, to repair the TV
in the crew's quarters. It was the presidential yacht back when
presidents had yachts and I was in D.C. awaiting a background
investigation for a security clearance.

The FBI did their investigation on me before I went in, I was SUPPOSED to be
a Nuckee in electronics. When I state that the FBI had a big folder on me I
mean it, “Please state every address you have lived at for 24 hours or more
since birth.”

Ha! My dad was also in the Navy at the time of my birth and for about 8 years
more, we bounced all over the east coast and the mid-west for most of those
years: Philly, to Boston, to NYC, to upstate NY, to Marceline, MO, to Newport
News, to Jacksonville Beach, FL, back to MO. Back in the 50’s traveling by
car you had a lot of trips where you would end up staying in a motel for a
day or more, I remember our driving to Jacksonville Beach and having to stay
at one motel for, I think, 3 days because of extremely heavy rains. 1948?
Studabachers were not exactly great for driving in such storms, nor did they
have much in the way of windshield wipers, hell, I can’t really think of
any 1940’s car that did either. And “2” lane “highways” that many
times were more gravel than concrete or even asphalt. Tennessee was “fun”
to drive through, though I did enjoy the motel. I was 5 at the time, so of
course I had fun.

It took me, my parents, both sets of grandparents, my Uncle Verell and his
wife, a couple of my dad’s Navy buddies (and boy weren’t they fun to try
and track down after up to 21 years) to finally get most of the required
addresses. I doubt we got them all.

Then in “B” School, I think, I dropped out of going to Nuckee School and
went straight radar electronics. Be careful when dropping something you
signed up for when it comes to the military, it will come back to haunt you.
The teacher I most pissed off by dropping Nuckee school was a hardass and was
friends with one of the First Classes in my dept. on my first ship. I got
busted from Third Class to Seaman for being THREE minutes UA, on a ship in
the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Most of the at sea shop watches, in that
dept anyway, you were considered on time if you were plus or minus 5 minutes.
We had one First Class who went around several time every day resetting all
the clocks to the “correct” time. I am sorry, but he was never correct.
It was nothing, but I was, probably, a couple of minutes late for that watch,
didn’t argue about it at Captians’ Mast, got busted to Seaman. Eh, at
least my dad didn’t hold that against me, it seems he had a couple of those
himself over the 14 years he was in.

As you can tell, I enjoyed my time in, really.

My uncle repaired/tuned pipe organs and sold pianos - but my interest
didn't take off until I retired and built a few Tesla coils and
started studying resonance etc..

I tried a Tesla coil, once, it died a horrid, and very smoky, death. RIP

Post by hleopold
I always visualized them as sound tubes, or organ pipes, count your waves,
terminate. Hmmm, actually sounds a lot like SCSI on my early Macs, those
could be tons of fun if things didn’t go correctly.
I really need to dig out my old class books on waveguides, I think I still
have them somewhere, might be at my sisters from when she cleaned out my
dads’ house after he died.

Not positive after all this time, but, as I recall, that was how they did it
in class, transmission line that on to waveguides, on a box-section waveguide
one dimention was power, and lord help you if you miscalculated it, smoke and
fire could ensue. The other was mandated by the frequency. Now how to
calculate those at this late date, don’t ask and I won’t scare the cat.
The cat knows all, according to cat. Down, Spot. (Yes, my cat’s name is
Spot, he is black and white and is, supposedly a Tuxedo, but has plenty of
spots, under his chin, on his elbows, on his face and one that is rather hard
to miss on his balls. Diane named him Loki, but everyone calls his Spot.)

Post by hleopold
I hate to say it, but I think you have pretty well dumped on poor
Hammonmd’s parade.
Oh, right, I DON’T hate to say it, Hammond is a complete moron and an
annoyance, has been one for most of a decade at least.

I don't bear him any ill will, but it is scary to think that anyone
reading his tripe may actually think there's a scientific
justification for believing in life after death.
Religious people have already learned to swallow a lot of paranormal
crap. I'm afraid cellular level intelligence and microtubule
waveguides aren't that big a stretch to the religiously afflicted
mind.

I point out to the website of “Time Cube.” If you have never been there,
do so, but have plenty of aspirin handy, I guarantee it that you will need
them. I suggest a whole, BIG, bottle if you actually try to read much. Just
thinking about it brings back a headache and I have not been there in 7 or 8
years. (I did just take a quick look, it is still there and as horrifying as
ever. Spot, get my aspirin, now.

Just one of a myriad of kooks, yesterday I was on Rational Wiki, category
“kooks.” Lots of them, many with plenty of followers, and all nearly, or
more so, as nuts of TimeCube Guy.

--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness (remove gene to email)

“There's no upper limit to the speed of stupidity“-Al Klein

default

2017-10-11 15:01:28 UTC

Post by default
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:31:19 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
[George Hammonmd wrote]
SNIP CLASSICAL THEORY OF ORGAN PIPES AND MICROWAVE
WAVEGUIDES... IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION

No. You are the one claiming these biological constructions are akin
to waveguides.
An organ pipe is a wave guide and illustrates how they work and what a
standing wave is, and what makes a good waveguide. All musical
instruments make use of standing waves in some way, wind instruments
use standing waves in air, and strings use reflected vibrations in
tensioned wires, or similar materials, chimes, bells, etc., ditto.

I was a motorcycle bum for a few years and got to do a range of jobs;
cook, RR section crew, built prototype smart bombs and calculators,
handyman at an Outer Banks lodge, and power line construction, then
worked for a large pharmaceutical company and finally a smaller
contract pharma laboratory/manufacturer.

Post by hleopold
I was fair with electronics, got better with the Navy, but never really
worked it them much after, though I did build a few PC computers for Diane
plus did most of the Macintosh work on my own computers, we were a mixed
couple, I was Mac, she was PC, we got along pretty well in spite of that. ;-)

I played percussion in the concert and marching bands while in A
school. One of my buddies played cornet then and we both got to
Pensacola for C school. (and tied for first in class)

Personally, I sucked at music, I like music, but (according to a guy that I
once worked with for several years, and one time filled in for as a drummer
when the machine he run at a book bindery broke his arm, I have no rhythm -
at all. I was forced to agree with him, next week he had another friend with
no musical ability at all fill in, he was much better.)
The music they played was pretty simple, after all most of the musicians in
it averaged 50 years old. The fans were more diverse, from 8 to 108. I
swear on that last.

I like music too. Everything but country western and rap. Classical,
old ballads, renaissance, and Andean are favorites.

The FBI did their investigation on me before I went in, I was SUPPOSED to be
a Nuckee in electronics. When I state that the FBI had a big folder on me I
mean it, Please state every address you have lived at for 24 hours or more
since birth.

I went in to get away from home and didn't give a "choice." In boot
camp I scored very high on the GCT/ARI series and the hearing tests
for radio/sonar. I told them I wanted to be a sonar man, but the guy
doing the job assignments said "Your scores are high enough you can do
whatever you want, but I have a job to fill that only three in a
thousand can work in and you're a shoe-in because you listed an
electronics hobby." That's how I got to be a CT, and spent 8 months
working fixing radios in the base vehicles in the Washington Navy
Yard.

I was assigned to clean heads by the leading seaman in DC. And just
as I was getting ready for some pretty foul work, he comes rushing
back and tells me to get in dress blues and sends me to the air base
commander's office. (who held the rank of "commander" too) He had
two of us there and said he needed a secretary and we both filled in
typing as a skill in some boot camp questionnaire.

The other guy wanted the job (it would keep us from cleaning heads) so
I told the commander I'd be happier doing something in electronics and
he sent me off to a tiny repair shop run by a third class ET.
(submariner) We fixed the mobile and base station VHF radios around
the base and a lot of odd-ball stuff that didn't have a repair staff.

Post by hleopold
Ha! My dad was also in the Navy at the time of my birth and for about 8 years
more, we bounced all over the east coast and the mid-west for most of those
years: Philly, to Boston, to NYC, to upstate NY, to Marceline, MO, to Newport
News, to Jacksonville Beach, FL, back to MO. Back in the 50s traveling by
car you had a lot of trips where you would end up staying in a motel for a
day or more, I remember our driving to Jacksonville Beach and having to stay
at one motel for, I think, 3 days because of extremely heavy rains. 1948?
Studabachers were not exactly great for driving in such storms, nor did they
have much in the way of windshield wipers, hell, I cant really think of
any 1940s car that did either. And 2 lane highways that many
times were more gravel than concrete or even asphalt. Tennessee was fun
to drive through, though I did enjoy the motel. I was 5 at the time, so of
course I had fun.

I remember those old vacuum-powered windshield wipers. Step on the
accelerator and you're driving blind.

Post by hleopold
It took me, my parents, both sets of grandparents, my Uncle Verell and his
wife, a couple of my dads Navy buddies (and boy werent they fun to try
and track down after up to 21 years) to finally get most of the required
addresses. I doubt we got them all.
Then in B School, I think, I dropped out of going to Nuckee School and
went straight radar electronics. Be careful when dropping something you
signed up for when it comes to the military, it will come back to haunt you.
The teacher I most pissed off by dropping Nuckee school was a hardass and was
friends with one of the First Classes in my dept. on my first ship. I got
busted from Third Class to Seaman for being THREE minutes UA, on a ship in
the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Most of the at sea shop watches, in that
dept anyway, you were considered on time if you were plus or minus 5 minutes.
We had one First Class who went around several time every day resetting all
the clocks to the correct time. I am sorry, but he was never correct.
It was nothing, but I was, probably, a couple of minutes late for that watch,
didnt argue about it at Captians Mast, got busted to Seaman. Eh, at
least my dad didnt hold that against me, it seems he had a couple of those
himself over the 14 years he was in.
As you can tell, I enjoyed my time in, really.

My uncle repaired/tuned pipe organs and sold pianos - but my interest
didn't take off until I retired and built a few Tesla coils and
started studying resonance etc..

I tried a Tesla coil, once, it died a horrid, and very smoky, death. RIP

Not positive after all this time, but, as I recall, that was how they did it
in class, transmission line that on to waveguides, on a box-section waveguide
one dimention was power, and lord help you if you miscalculated it, smoke and
fire could ensue. The other was mandated by the frequency. Now how to
calculate those at this late date, dont ask and I wont scare the cat.
The cat knows all, according to cat. Down, Spot. (Yes, my cats name is
Spot, he is black and white and is, supposedly a Tuxedo, but has plenty of
spots, under his chin, on his elbows, on his face and one that is rather hard
to miss on his balls. Diane named him Loki, but everyone calls his Spot.)

In nuke school they probably already had a lot of time and money
invested in you and those TS clearances must cost a bunch too.

I ran into a division officer on Adak that sent me to a captain's mast
for being AWOL too. I was AWOL for ~30 minutes because I stopped at
home on the way to the base (there were some 4 individual bases on
Adak Alaska and mine was the longest drive from the airport; I'd come
in from Anchorage AK) The real reason he was pissed was because I
questioned his judgment in building an FM radio station (I built the
transmitter) without first seeking FCC approval, or seeing if there'd
be any Tempest Hazard with it being so close to a secret facility. I'd
just assumed he had all that taken care of before I started and when I
brought it up, it seemed like I was being "insubordinate." (I was) I
didn't lose any rank over it or get any punishment... I drove my own
car - had I waited for the bus I would have been hours late.

My cat was Tribble. She died of cancer last month. She wasn't bright
as some cats I've known but she loved to play and was super
affectionate. Tribble from "The Trouble with Tribbles" Star Trek - a
tan fluff ball, who constantly made trilling sounds unless she was
sleeping and then she snored. Her only talent: hiding my socks. My
wife got her from the pound as an adult and I had her for only 6
years.

I don't bear him any ill will, but it is scary to think that anyone
reading his tripe may actually think there's a scientific
justification for believing in life after death.
Religious people have already learned to swallow a lot of paranormal
crap. I'm afraid cellular level intelligence and microtubule
waveguides aren't that big a stretch to the religiously afflicted
mind.

I point out to the website of Time Cube. If you have never been there,
do so, but have plenty of aspirin handy, I guarantee it that you will need
them. I suggest a whole, BIG, bottle if you actually try to read much. Just
thinking about it brings back a headache and I have not been there in 7 or 8
years. (I did just take a quick look, it is still there and as horrifying as
ever. Spot, get my aspirin, now.

Time Cube is dead, still on the wayback machine though.

Mr. Hammond would certainly fit right in.

Post by hleopold
Just one of a myriad of kooks, yesterday I was on Rational Wiki, category
kooks. Lots of them, many with plenty of followers, and all nearly, or
more so, as nuts of TimeCube Guy.

I like Richard Feynman's approach to Pseudo Science. To his way of
thinking there are some people who can't live in a world where
everything isn't explained for them; but he delights in the things
that he doesn't know and may discover. He envisions particle physics
as trying to figure out the laws of chess from watching just a corner
of the board. "Just when you think you have it understood - somebody
'castle's' or invokes 'en passant' for the first time."

Hammond's on solid ground: A theory, based on an assumption, based on
faith, based on the beliefs of superstitious goat herders. Yeah boy!
that's what I call science....

Atlatl Axolotl

2017-10-11 16:11:35 UTC

Post by default
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:31:19 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
[George Hammonmd wrote]
SNIP CLASSICAL THEORY OF ORGAN PIPES AND MICROWAVE
WAVEGUIDES... IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION

No. You are the one claiming these biological constructions are akin
to waveguides.
An organ pipe is a wave guide and illustrates how they work and what a
standing wave is, and what makes a good waveguide. All musical
instruments make use of standing waves in some way, wind instruments
use standing waves in air, and strings use reflected vibrations in
tensioned wires, or similar materials, chimes, bells, etc., ditto.

Post by hleopold
I was “fair” with electronics, got better with the Navy, but never really
worked it them much after, though I did build a few PC computers for Diane
plus did most of the Macintosh work on my own computers, we were a mixed
couple, I was Mac, she was PC, we got along pretty well in spite of that. ;-)

I played percussion in the concert and marching bands while in A
school. One of my buddies played cornet then and we both got to
Pensacola for C school. (and tied for first in class)

Personally, I sucked at music, I like music, but (according to a guy that I
once worked with for several years, and one time filled in for as a drummer
when the machine he run at a book bindery broke his arm, I have no rhythm -
at all. I was forced to agree with him, next week he had another friend with
no musical ability at all fill in, he was much better.)
The music they played was pretty simple, after all most of the musicians in
it averaged 50 years old. The “fans” were more diverse, from 8 to 108. I
swear on that last.

I like music too. Everything but country western and rap. Classical,
old ballads, renaissance, and Andean are favorites.

I went in to get away from home and didn't give a "choice." In boot
camp I scored very high on the GCT/ARI series and the hearing tests
for radio/sonar. I told them I wanted to be a sonar man, but the guy
doing the job assignments said "Your scores are high enough you can do
whatever you want, but I have a job to fill that only three in a
thousand can work in and you're a shoe-in because you listed an
electronics hobby." That's how I got to be a CT, and spent 8 months
working fixing radios in the base vehicles in the Washington Navy
Yard.
I was assigned to clean heads by the leading seaman in DC. And just
as I was getting ready for some pretty foul work, he comes rushing
back and tells me to get in dress blues and sends me to the air base
commander's office. (who held the rank of "commander" too) He had
two of us there and said he needed a secretary and we both filled in
typing as a skill in some boot camp questionnaire.
The other guy wanted the job (it would keep us from cleaning heads) so
I told the commander I'd be happier doing something in electronics and
he sent me off to a tiny repair shop run by a third class ET.
(submariner) We fixed the mobile and base station VHF radios around
the base and a lot of odd-ball stuff that didn't have a repair staff.

Post by hleopold
Ha! My dad was also in the Navy at the time of my birth and for about 8 years
more, we bounced all over the east coast and the mid-west for most of those
years: Philly, to Boston, to NYC, to upstate NY, to Marceline, MO, to Newport
News, to Jacksonville Beach, FL, back to MO. Back in the 50’s traveling by
car you had a lot of trips where you would end up staying in a motel for a
day or more, I remember our driving to Jacksonville Beach and having to stay
at one motel for, I think, 3 days because of extremely heavy rains. 1948?
Studabachers were not exactly great for driving in such storms, nor did they
have much in the way of windshield wipers, hell, I can’t really think of
any 1940’s car that did either. And “2” lane “highways” that many
times were more gravel than concrete or even asphalt. Tennessee was “fun”
to drive through, though I did enjoy the motel. I was 5 at the time, so of
course I had fun.

I remember those old vacuum-powered windshield wipers. Step on the
accelerator and you're driving blind.

Post by hleopold
It took me, my parents, both sets of grandparents, my Uncle Verell and his
wife, a couple of my dad’s Navy buddies (and boy weren’t they fun to try
and track down after up to 21 years) to finally get most of the required
addresses. I doubt we got them all.
Then in “B” School, I think, I dropped out of going to Nuckee School and
went straight radar electronics. Be careful when dropping something you
signed up for when it comes to the military, it will come back to haunt you.
The teacher I most pissed off by dropping Nuckee school was a hardass and was
friends with one of the First Classes in my dept. on my first ship. I got
busted from Third Class to Seaman for being THREE minutes UA, on a ship in
the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Most of the at sea shop watches, in that
dept anyway, you were considered on time if you were plus or minus 5 minutes.
We had one First Class who went around several time every day resetting all
the clocks to the “correct” time. I am sorry, but he was never correct.
It was nothing, but I was, probably, a couple of minutes late for that watch,
didn’t argue about it at Captians’ Mast, got busted to Seaman. Eh, at
least my dad didn’t hold that against me, it seems he had a couple of those
himself over the 14 years he was in.
As you can tell, I enjoyed my time in, really.

My uncle repaired/tuned pipe organs and sold pianos - but my interest
didn't take off until I retired and built a few Tesla coils and
started studying resonance etc..

I tried a Tesla coil, once, it died a horrid, and very smoky, death. RIP

Post by hleopold
I always visualized them as sound tubes, or organ pipes, count your waves,
terminate. Hmmm, actually sounds a lot like SCSI on my early Macs, those
could be tons of fun if things didn’t go correctly.
I really need to dig out my old class books on waveguides, I think I still
have them somewhere, might be at my sisters from when she cleaned out my
dads’ house after he died.

In nuke school they probably already had a lot of time and money
invested in you and those TS clearances must cost a bunch too.
I ran into a division officer on Adak that sent me to a captain's mast
for being AWOL too. I was AWOL for ~30 minutes because I stopped at
home on the way to the base (there were some 4 individual bases on
Adak Alaska and mine was the longest drive from the airport; I'd come
in from Anchorage AK) The real reason he was pissed was because I
questioned his judgment in building an FM radio station (I built the
transmitter) without first seeking FCC approval, or seeing if there'd
be any Tempest Hazard with it being so close to a secret facility. I'd
just assumed he had all that taken care of before I started and when I
brought it up, it seemed like I was being "insubordinate." (I was) I
didn't lose any rank over it or get any punishment... I drove my own
car - had I waited for the bus I would have been hours late.
My cat was Tribble. She died of cancer last month. She wasn't bright
as some cats I've known but she loved to play and was super
affectionate. Tribble from "The Trouble with Tribbles" Star Trek - a
tan fluff ball, who constantly made trilling sounds unless she was
sleeping and then she snored. Her only talent: hiding my socks. My
wife got her from the pound as an adult and I had her for only 6
years.

I don't bear him any ill will, but it is scary to think that anyone
reading his tripe may actually think there's a scientific
justification for believing in life after death.
Religious people have already learned to swallow a lot of paranormal
crap. I'm afraid cellular level intelligence and microtubule
waveguides aren't that big a stretch to the religiously afflicted
mind.

Time Cube is dead, still on the wayback machine though.
Mr. Hammond would certainly fit right in.

Post by hleopold
Just one of a myriad of kooks, yesterday I was on Rational Wiki, category
“kooks.” Lots of them, many with plenty of followers, and all nearly, or
more so, as nuts of TimeCube Guy.

I like Richard Feynman's approach to Pseudo Science. To his way of
thinking there are some people who can't live in a world where
everything isn't explained for them; but he delights in the things
that he doesn't know and may discover. He envisions particle physics
as trying to figure out the laws of chess from watching just a corner
of the board. "Just when you think you have it understood - somebody
'castle's' or invokes 'en passant' for the first time."
Hammond's on solid ground: A theory, based on an assumption, based on
faith, based on the beliefs of superstitious goat herders. Yeah boy!
that's what I call science....

A fascinating read. Thank you.

And my sympathies about Tribble. I know far too well what that's like.

Atlatl Axolotl

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2017-10-11 23:55:29 UTC

On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:11:35 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl

Post by Atlatl Axolotl
And my sympathies about Tribble. I know far too well what that's like.

It's going to take awhile to get over this. I still check to see if
she's underfoot before I lower the recliner, look for her when I'm
slicing meat, etc..

Atlatl Axolotl

2017-10-12 01:39:40 UTC

Post by default
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:11:35 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl

.> >And my sympathies about Tribble. I know far too well what that's like.
.> It's going to take awhile to get over this. I still check to see if
.> she's underfoot before I lower the recliner, look for her when I'm
.> slicing meat, etc..

Oh, I know . I've always said that it can take a long time for
them to go away completely. I do understand.

Atlatl

hleopold

2017-10-13 01:37:42 UTC

Post by default
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:11:35 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl

And my sympathies about Tribble. I know far too well what that's like.

It's going to take awhile to get over this. I still check to see if
she's underfoot before I lower the recliner, look for her when I'm
slicing meat, etc..

Leo has been gone for more then 20 years, I still think about him daily, and
Tiffany, and always Diane.

--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness (remove gene to email)

“Hey, you are the evolving one, not me.“-***@leavingsoon.com

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2017-10-13 11:52:07 UTC

Post by default
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:11:35 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl

And my sympathies about Tribble. I know far too well what that's like.

It's going to take awhile to get over this. I still check to see if
she's underfoot before I lower the recliner, look for her when I'm
slicing meat, etc..

Leo has been gone for more then 20 years, I still think about him daily, and
Tiffany, and always Diane.

Before Tribble there was Muffin (indoor outdoor and MIA after 10
years) and she was scary intelligent. Like all cats loved to chase
moving string. It was fun for her longer than it was for me. So I'm
on the recliner and she gets the string and drops that in my lap. I
toss it away and she trots after it and gets it, OK that's a game too,
and requires less energy on my part. But, even that game gets old
after awhile. So I pretend I'm bunching up the string and pretend to
toss it. She tears after it and can't find it, but that doesn't
stymie her for long. She picks up an imaginary string and carries
that back to my lap, then we play that game over and over.

I'm figuring I met my intellectual match at this point. That cat knew
what I was going to do before I knew. There was no fooling her. I
just wish she could have talked.

Atlatl Axolotl

2017-10-13 15:10:50 UTC

Post by default
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:11:35 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl

And my sympathies about Tribble. I know far too well what that's like.

It's going to take awhile to get over this. I still check to see if
she's underfoot before I lower the recliner, look for her when I'm
slicing meat, etc..

Leo has been gone for more then 20 years, I still think about him daily, and
Tiffany, and always Diane.

Before Tribble there was Muffin (indoor outdoor and MIA after 10
years) and she was scary intelligent. Like all cats loved to chase
moving string. It was fun for her longer than it was for me. So I'm
on the recliner and she gets the string and drops that in my lap. I
toss it away and she trots after it and gets it, OK that's a game too,
and requires less energy on my part. But, even that game gets old
after awhile. So I pretend I'm bunching up the string and pretend to
toss it. She tears after it and can't find it, but that doesn't
stymie her for long. She picks up an imaginary string and carries
that back to my lap, then we play that game over and over.
I'm figuring I met my intellectual match at this point. That cat knew
what I was going to do before I knew. There was no fooling her. I
just wish she could have talked.

That's wonderful!

aa

hleopold

2017-10-13 20:22:13 UTC

Post by default
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:11:35 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl

And my sympathies about Tribble. I know far too well what that's like.

It's going to take awhile to get over this. I still check to see if
she's underfoot before I lower the recliner, look for her when I'm
slicing meat, etc..

Leo has been gone for more then 20 years, I still think about him daily, and
Tiffany, and always Diane.

Before Tribble there was Muffin (indoor outdoor and MIA after 10
years) and she was scary intelligent. Like all cats loved to chase
moving string. It was fun for her longer than it was for me. So I'm
on the recliner and she gets the string and drops that in my lap. I
toss it away and she trots after it and gets it, OK that's a game too,
and requires less energy on my part. But, even that game gets old
after awhile. So I pretend I'm bunching up the string and pretend to
toss it. She tears after it and can't find it, but that doesn't
stymie her for long. She picks up an imaginary string and carries
that back to my lap, then we play that game over and over.
I'm figuring I met my intellectual match at this point. That cat knew
what I was going to do before I knew. There was no fooling her. I
just wish she could have talked.

Smart cat, indeed. Smarter than most of our trolls by a good stretch.

--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness (remove gene to email)

"No gods were harmed during the making of this post" - Ernest Fairchild

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2017-10-12 14:51:06 UTC

On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:11:35 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl

Post by hleopold
I tried a Tesla coil, once, it died a horrid, and very smoky, death. RIP

Ages ago I tried winding an induction coil and never did finish it. I
think that was 7-8 years old. I ended up buying a Model T coil and
playing with it.

There are lots of Model T coils at the antique store here. Model T's
didn't have distributors. It took four coils per car, and the guy at
the store salvaged a bunch.

When I found myself retired, or semi-retired I fooled around with some
plastic tube and wire-wrap wire building an antenna loading coil for
low frequencies. It had way too much inductance to work, but since it
was completed I started fooling with it to see how it would work as an
air-core step-up transformer. I managed to just get a bare hint of
blue corona. (in a very dark room) Fooled around a bit more and
managed to grow it to 1/8" of corona.

Then spent the next year really getting interested in Tesla coils.
Built a motorized winder from and old 15" reel to reel computer tape
drive. (it worked as a makeshift lathe too so I turned mandrels for
the coils) Added an oil-burner ignition transformer to excite them (I
was using an auto ignition coil at first and went from 5 watts to 300
watts excitation input power). Finally making real coils with real
sparks and corona and deadly amounts of ozone!

With the winder technology well in hand, the induction coil didn't
seem too daunting and I wanted More Power.

I got a reprint of an old book to see how they did it then substituted
modern stuff for: vinyl, for Gutta-Percha insulated wire, acrylic for,
"hard-rubber" plates, enameled wire, for "double cotton covered," etc.

Long story... The core is a 2" X 20" bundle of 12 gauge iron wire.
(for hanging drop ceiling grids - already straight in 12' lengths) The
primary is four layers of 15 gauge magnet wire. The secondary is on
four bobbins made from 3-1/2"PVC conduit, wound with #32 gauge magnet
wire. (a total of some 13 miles of it, +/- 300 feet, 12-1/2 pounds of
wire, and ~67,800 turns of it) I had a counter on the winding mandrel
and found I was coming up 20% short of the theoretical turns per inch
so increased the layers to compensate, The paper insulation was a
roll of adding machine (plain) paper - bobbins are sized for the
paper. (3") I varnished each layer, and put the bobbins in a pressure
cooker in molten wax and pulled a vacuum on them to impregnate the
coils and minimize air spaces.

The whole thing is in a varnished oak box with brass flat head wood
screws, filled with wax and weighs in at ~50 pounds. I can use it as
an induction coil with 50 VDC drive and get some 3" arcs on the
secondary or put the primary windings in series and drive it with 120
VAC for ~7-8 KV output at ~1 KW.

As a TC exciter I can get white arcs to >3 feet (the limits of the
room, not the coil - wood and drywall are conductive to voltages >100
KV) It would make a good X-ray power source - the glass in small
vacuum filled pilot lights fluoresces green when on the output of the
TC, the glass in vacuum tubes fluoresces blue.

The Induction coil took me a month to complete, the secondary only
took a week and I watched TV while waiting for the varnish to dry
between layers.

The whole hobby really upped my woodworking game. I had to build
spiral primaries and make grooves to hold the individual wire or
tubing I used, and make 10 sided polygons, etc..

The gains in Tesla coil performance are incremental. You learn the
importance of a top terminal (the capacitor, in what is a series tuned
circuit) and how to control corona. (if you want lightening like
bolts), you build capacitors (ever priced a capacitor rated at .008 uf
30,000 volts capable of carrying 100 amp peaks?)

Hopefully you've already learned safety - because this stuff will kill
you. I wouldn't go near the thing unless the plug was in my pocket,
and everything was discharged. The arcs are hot enough to start
fires, but with enough room they dance around enough so they don't
stay in one place for long. Use "safety gaps" in the exciter, because
standing waves can eat the cap or transformer or insulators.

I inadvertently made an electret too. I coated the secondary of one
of my coils with epoxy and put it on the winding lathe turning slowly
until the epoxy set up (you get a thick glossy finish with no runs
that way). I guess the epoxy wasn't completely cured when I used the
coil, because for months after that, paper and hair were attracted to
the coil even when it wasn't near the exciter.

That kept me busy and excited for a couple of years. These days I
program micro controllers, and tinker with various electronic toys,
for the intellectual stimulation. As a child, I've no doubt that I
would be diagnosed with "attention deficit disorder," and on drugs to
make me stupid. (like my idiot brother in law is doing to my niece,
who went from bouncy vivacious curious mile a minute intellect, to
almost zombie like docile; he thinks that's an improvement, because
her school grades are up!)

Cloud Hobbit

2017-10-12 15:41:39 UTC

If you have not lived with a kid who has ADHD then you don't know what that is like.

Both of mine have it and when they were school age it was nearly impossible to get them to focus. Or be on time. Both of them are very bright and capable but had an extremely hard time not being disruptive.

We had my son in a private school that said he either had to have the problem taken care of or he would not be allowed back.

About 3rd grade is when it starts to manifest.

Sometimes medication is the only way.

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2017-10-12 17:53:58 UTC

On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 08:41:39 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit
If you have not lived with a kid who has ADHD then you don't know what that is like.
Both of mine have it and when they were school age it was nearly impossible to get them to focus. Or be on time. Both of them are very bright and capable but had an extremely hard time not being disruptive.
We had my son in a private school that said he either had to have the problem taken care of or he would not be allowed back.
About 3rd grade is when it starts to manifest.
Sometimes medication is the only way.

As someone who was there and did that, I think a better approach would
be to design a hyper school curriculum for people that are gifted with
the condition.

I spent the first 18 years of school daydreaming. My OM provided most
of my real learning. I learned to read from him with the color Sunday
comics, only to be in grammar school and get a book from the nuns that
had such scintillating literature as "See Spot run --- Run Spot, run."
I kid you not.

Every day I'd have a zillion questions saved up (from the daydreaming)
and would grill him from the moment he walked in the door. Until we
sat down for dinner, he was fair game; and he took the time and when I
didn't believe something like mixing colored light could produce white
he brought home three flashlights with RGB colored filters and showed
me white on the white refrigerator.

I think the problem is not the kids but the dinosaurs that are unable
to adapt. Now that I'm older and slower, the wonder is that I didn't
set fire to the house or electrocute myself playing.

I did come close to setting a fire once. They had this neat amazing
glue on TV (hot melt glue before they invented heat guns - it was in a
tube) So I rushed out to buy some to see if it could really glue
stuff together. But you had to put the tube in boiling water to
soften the glue, so I built a hot plate with a heating element and
short piece of round concrete pipe. The workbench was just starting
to smolder as I got back to it (heat was trapped between the element
and workbench with radiant heat from the element)

My supplies came from the landfill for that little experiment.

Luckily it was my grandfather that caught me. He suggested I might
put a pie plate under the concrete thingy... My OM would have made it
a lesson too, unless Mom caught me then it would be a lesson, deities
would be invoked or involved somehow, I'd be punished, and told how
worthless or evil I was, and I'd promise (lie) "never to do anything
like that again."

Atlatl Axolotl

2017-10-12 16:37:20 UTC

Post by default
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:11:35 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl

Post by hleopold
I tried a Tesla coil, once, it died a horrid, and very smoky, death. RIP

Ages ago I tried winding an induction coil and never did finish it. I
think that was 7-8 years old. I ended up buying a Model T coil and
playing with it.
There are lots of Model T coils at the antique store here. Model T's
didn't have distributors. It took four coils per car, and the guy at
the store salvaged a bunch.
When I found myself retired, or semi-retired I fooled around with some
plastic tube and wire-wrap wire building an antenna loading coil for
low frequencies. It had way too much inductance to work, but since it
was completed I started fooling with it to see how it would work as an
air-core step-up transformer. I managed to just get a bare hint of
blue corona. (in a very dark room) Fooled around a bit more and
managed to grow it to 1/8" of corona.
Then spent the next year really getting interested in Tesla coils.
Built a motorized winder from and old 15" reel to reel computer tape
drive. (it worked as a makeshift lathe too so I turned mandrels for
the coils) Added an oil-burner ignition transformer to excite them (I
was using an auto ignition coil at first and went from 5 watts to 300
watts excitation input power). Finally making real coils with real
sparks and corona and deadly amounts of ozone!
With the winder technology well in hand, the induction coil didn't
seem too daunting and I wanted More Power.
I got a reprint of an old book to see how they did it then substituted
modern stuff for: vinyl, for Gutta-Percha insulated wire, acrylic for,
"hard-rubber" plates, enameled wire, for "double cotton covered," etc.
Long story... The core is a 2" X 20" bundle of 12 gauge iron wire.
(for hanging drop ceiling grids - already straight in 12' lengths) The
primary is four layers of 15 gauge magnet wire. The secondary is on
four bobbins made from 3-1/2"PVC conduit, wound with #32 gauge magnet
wire. (a total of some 13 miles of it, +/- 300 feet, 12-1/2 pounds of
wire, and ~67,800 turns of it) I had a counter on the winding mandrel
and found I was coming up 20% short of the theoretical turns per inch
so increased the layers to compensate, The paper insulation was a
roll of adding machine (plain) paper - bobbins are sized for the
paper. (3") I varnished each layer, and put the bobbins in a pressure
cooker in molten wax and pulled a vacuum on them to impregnate the
coils and minimize air spaces.
The whole thing is in a varnished oak box with brass flat head wood
screws, filled with wax and weighs in at ~50 pounds. I can use it as
an induction coil with 50 VDC drive and get some 3" arcs on the
secondary or put the primary windings in series and drive it with 120
VAC for ~7-8 KV output at ~1 KW.
As a TC exciter I can get white arcs to >3 feet (the limits of the
room, not the coil - wood and drywall are conductive to voltages >100
KV) It would make a good X-ray power source - the glass in small
vacuum filled pilot lights fluoresces green when on the output of the
TC, the glass in vacuum tubes fluoresces blue.
The Induction coil took me a month to complete, the secondary only
took a week and I watched TV while waiting for the varnish to dry
between layers.
The whole hobby really upped my woodworking game. I had to build
spiral primaries and make grooves to hold the individual wire or
tubing I used, and make 10 sided polygons, etc..
The gains in Tesla coil performance are incremental. You learn the
importance of a top terminal (the capacitor, in what is a series tuned
circuit) and how to control corona. (if you want lightening like
bolts), you build capacitors (ever priced a capacitor rated at .008 uf
30,000 volts capable of carrying 100 amp peaks?)
Hopefully you've already learned safety - because this stuff will kill
you. I wouldn't go near the thing unless the plug was in my pocket,
and everything was discharged. The arcs are hot enough to start
fires, but with enough room they dance around enough so they don't
stay in one place for long. Use "safety gaps" in the exciter, because
standing waves can eat the cap or transformer or insulators.
I inadvertently made an electret too. I coated the secondary of one
of my coils with epoxy and put it on the winding lathe turning slowly
until the epoxy set up (you get a thick glossy finish with no runs
that way). I guess the epoxy wasn't completely cured when I used the
coil, because for months after that, paper and hair were attracted to
the coil even when it wasn't near the exciter.
That kept me busy and excited for a couple of years. These days I
program micro controllers, and tinker with various electronic toys,
for the intellectual stimulation. As a child, I've no doubt that I
would be diagnosed with "attention deficit disorder," and on drugs to
make me stupid. (like my idiot brother in law is doing to my niece,
who went from bouncy vivacious curious mile a minute intellect, to
almost zombie like docile; he thinks that's an improvement, because
her school grades are up!)

Actually, that's not me you're replying too, but nonetheless I read
all of that with a steadily increasing smile interspersed with ever
more bursts of incredulous laughter. And here I thought *I* don't do
things half way. That was huge! Godzilla huge. Utterly amazing.
I'm both seriously impressed and glad you survived. And apparently
learned a ton of things along the way.

Here's another out of control tesla coil project. Not only is it portable,
not only is it back-mounted, it's both of those *and* water cooled.
Some people...

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2017-10-12 18:10:49 UTC

On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 09:37:20 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl

Post by default
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:11:35 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl

Post by hleopold
I tried a Tesla coil, once, it died a horrid, and very smoky, death. RIP

Ages ago I tried winding an induction coil and never did finish it. I
think that was 7-8 years old. I ended up buying a Model T coil and
playing with it.
There are lots of Model T coils at the antique store here. Model T's
didn't have distributors. It took four coils per car, and the guy at
the store salvaged a bunch.
When I found myself retired, or semi-retired I fooled around with some
plastic tube and wire-wrap wire building an antenna loading coil for
low frequencies. It had way too much inductance to work, but since it
was completed I started fooling with it to see how it would work as an
air-core step-up transformer. I managed to just get a bare hint of
blue corona. (in a very dark room) Fooled around a bit more and
managed to grow it to 1/8" of corona.
Then spent the next year really getting interested in Tesla coils.
Built a motorized winder from and old 15" reel to reel computer tape
drive. (it worked as a makeshift lathe too so I turned mandrels for
the coils) Added an oil-burner ignition transformer to excite them (I
was using an auto ignition coil at first and went from 5 watts to 300
watts excitation input power). Finally making real coils with real
sparks and corona and deadly amounts of ozone!
With the winder technology well in hand, the induction coil didn't
seem too daunting and I wanted More Power.
I got a reprint of an old book to see how they did it then substituted
modern stuff for: vinyl, for Gutta-Percha insulated wire, acrylic for,
"hard-rubber" plates, enameled wire, for "double cotton covered," etc.
Long story... The core is a 2" X 20" bundle of 12 gauge iron wire.
(for hanging drop ceiling grids - already straight in 12' lengths) The
primary is four layers of 15 gauge magnet wire. The secondary is on
four bobbins made from 3-1/2"PVC conduit, wound with #32 gauge magnet
wire. (a total of some 13 miles of it, +/- 300 feet, 12-1/2 pounds of
wire, and ~67,800 turns of it) I had a counter on the winding mandrel
and found I was coming up 20% short of the theoretical turns per inch
so increased the layers to compensate, The paper insulation was a
roll of adding machine (plain) paper - bobbins are sized for the
paper. (3") I varnished each layer, and put the bobbins in a pressure
cooker in molten wax and pulled a vacuum on them to impregnate the
coils and minimize air spaces.
The whole thing is in a varnished oak box with brass flat head wood
screws, filled with wax and weighs in at ~50 pounds. I can use it as
an induction coil with 50 VDC drive and get some 3" arcs on the
secondary or put the primary windings in series and drive it with 120
VAC for ~7-8 KV output at ~1 KW.
As a TC exciter I can get white arcs to >3 feet (the limits of the
room, not the coil - wood and drywall are conductive to voltages >100
KV) It would make a good X-ray power source - the glass in small
vacuum filled pilot lights fluoresces green when on the output of the
TC, the glass in vacuum tubes fluoresces blue.
The Induction coil took me a month to complete, the secondary only
took a week and I watched TV while waiting for the varnish to dry
between layers.
The whole hobby really upped my woodworking game. I had to build
spiral primaries and make grooves to hold the individual wire or
tubing I used, and make 10 sided polygons, etc..
The gains in Tesla coil performance are incremental. You learn the
importance of a top terminal (the capacitor, in what is a series tuned
circuit) and how to control corona. (if you want lightening like
bolts), you build capacitors (ever priced a capacitor rated at .008 uf
30,000 volts capable of carrying 100 amp peaks?)
Hopefully you've already learned safety - because this stuff will kill
you. I wouldn't go near the thing unless the plug was in my pocket,
and everything was discharged. The arcs are hot enough to start
fires, but with enough room they dance around enough so they don't
stay in one place for long. Use "safety gaps" in the exciter, because
standing waves can eat the cap or transformer or insulators.
I inadvertently made an electret too. I coated the secondary of one
of my coils with epoxy and put it on the winding lathe turning slowly
until the epoxy set up (you get a thick glossy finish with no runs
that way). I guess the epoxy wasn't completely cured when I used the
coil, because for months after that, paper and hair were attracted to
the coil even when it wasn't near the exciter.
That kept me busy and excited for a couple of years. These days I
program micro controllers, and tinker with various electronic toys,
for the intellectual stimulation. As a child, I've no doubt that I
would be diagnosed with "attention deficit disorder," and on drugs to
make me stupid. (like my idiot brother in law is doing to my niece,
who went from bouncy vivacious curious mile a minute intellect, to
almost zombie like docile; he thinks that's an improvement, because
her school grades are up!)

Actually, that's not me you're replying too, but nonetheless I read
all of that with a steadily increasing smile interspersed with ever
more bursts of incredulous laughter. And here I thought *I* don't do
things half way. That was huge! Godzilla huge. Utterly amazing.
I'm both seriously impressed and glad you survived. And apparently
learned a ton of things along the way.
Here's another out of control tesla coil project. Not only is it portable,
not only is it back-mounted, it's both of those *and* water cooled.
Some people...
http://youtu.be/_fTC_Ud_k3U

The high frequency of the TC (~100 KHZ) means the voltage travels on
the outside of a conductor (like skin). I'd take exception to the
comment he makes that it is safe because it is low current. With all
the ionization around while the thing is on, it just may be possible
to get some of the exciter's line frequency current carried along by
the already ionized air and that may be dangerous.

But I haven't any proof of that - and if things go according to plan,
I never will.

hleopold

2017-10-13 03:43:16 UTC

Post by default
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:11:35 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl

Post by hleopold
I tried a Tesla coil, once, it died a horrid, and very smoky, death. RIP

I need a better class of antique shop! I have not seen even one Model T coil
anywhere in at least 40 years, I used to be able to get them from Carl O.
Carlson’s welding shop, right across the alley from my dad’s electrical
shop. I always liked Carl, even if he thought I was a bit of an annoying kid.
I bought enough stuff from his little junk yard, he collected a lot of scrap
metal that he either used himself for jobs, or sold to others. I built my
first telescope mount from his scrap, and the pier that held it, I think I
mentioned that in an earlier post.

I lucked out on building the second pier which I put into the back yard of my
dad’s shop, Carl had just gotten it and it was on top. It was still one
hell of a job getting it home, all 100 feet or so away from where I dug the
hole for it to set in. It, of course, was in the exact middle of the scrap
yard. Damned near broke my ankles climbing over all that stuff.

But Model T coils, nope, I think I did find one once, Carl sold it to me, but
the other one, nope, he wanted it for himself, he had plans for it, possibly
similar to your’s, he always did like playing around with electrical stuff
on his time off.

Post by default
When I found myself retired, or semi-retired I fooled around with some
plastic tube and wire-wrap wire building an antenna loading coil for
low frequencies. It had way too much inductance to work, but since it
was completed I started fooling with it to see how it would work as an
air-core step-up transformer. I managed to just get a bare hint of
blue corona. (in a very dark room) Fooled around a bit more and
managed to grow it to 1/8" of corona.

I used to build my own motors, fortunately I had a handy collection of scrap
motors to take apart to find out just how to wind them properly. Never did
get into building Tesla coils after my first went up in smoke and fire.

Snip rest of great story, enjoyed the hell out of it, thanks.

--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness (remove gene to email)

“It's all very simple : you believe in a god, I don't. Theists first
invented the concept of god or gods, and the sceptical people said : "Huh?".
It's been downhill from there. ;-)“ - Olrik

Alex W.

2017-10-13 04:58:37 UTC

Post by default
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:11:35 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl

Post by hleopold
I tried a Tesla coil, once, it died a horrid, and very smoky, death. RIP

I need a better class of antique shop! I have not seen even one Model T coil
anywhere in at least 40 years, I used to be able to get them from Carl O.
Carlson’s welding shop, right across the alley from my dad’s electrical
shop. I always liked Carl, even if he thought I was a bit of an annoying kid.
I bought enough stuff from his little junk yard, he collected a lot of scrap
metal that he either used himself for jobs, or sold to others. I built my
first telescope mount from his scrap, and the pier that held it, I think I
mentioned that in an earlier post.
I lucked out on building the second pier which I put into the back yard of my
dad’s shop, Carl had just gotten it and it was on top. It was still one
hell of a job getting it home, all 100 feet or so away from where I dug the
hole for it to set in. It, of course, was in the exact middle of the scrap
yard. Damned near broke my ankles climbing over all that stuff.
But Model T coils, nope, I think I did find one once, Carl sold it to me, but
the other one, nope, he wanted it for himself, he had plans for it, possibly
similar to your’s, he always did like playing around with electrical stuff
on his time off.

You'd probably be quite lucky to find something like that these days.
When copper prices skyrocketed a few years back, most of them would have
been disassembled for the metal. Certainly in the UK, people would
trawl through recycling centres, go spelunking at landfill sites and buy
knackered loudspeakers and amplifiers just to get at the copper...

default

2017-10-13 12:25:02 UTC

Post by default
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:11:35 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl

Post by hleopold
I tried a Tesla coil, once, it died a horrid, and very smoky, death. RIP

I need a better class of antique shop! I have not seen even one Model T coil
anywhere in at least 40 years, I used to be able to get them from Carl O.
Carlsons welding shop, right across the alley from my dads electrical
shop. I always liked Carl, even if he thought I was a bit of an annoying kid.
I bought enough stuff from his little junk yard, he collected a lot of scrap
metal that he either used himself for jobs, or sold to others. I built my
first telescope mount from his scrap, and the pier that held it, I think I
mentioned that in an earlier post.
I lucked out on building the second pier which I put into the back yard of my
dads shop, Carl had just gotten it and it was on top. It was still one
hell of a job getting it home, all 100 feet or so away from where I dug the
hole for it to set in. It, of course, was in the exact middle of the scrap
yard. Damned near broke my ankles climbing over all that stuff.
But Model T coils, nope, I think I did find one once, Carl sold it to me, but
the other one, nope, he wanted it for himself, he had plans for it, possibly
similar to yours, he always did like playing around with electrical stuff
on his time off.

That is true. The quality of discarded stuff is really poor today. If
you are looking for bits and pieces to incorporate in tinker toys it
sucks. The stuff is so poorly made that it hard to salvage anything
worthwhile.

Alex W.

2017-10-14 01:38:35 UTC

Post by default
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:11:35 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl

Post by hleopold
I tried a Tesla coil, once, it died a horrid, and very smoky, death. RIP

I need a better class of antique shop! I have not seen even one Model T coil
anywhere in at least 40 years, I used to be able to get them from Carl O.
Carlson’s welding shop, right across the alley from my dad’s electrical
shop. I always liked Carl, even if he thought I was a bit of an annoying kid.
I bought enough stuff from his little junk yard, he collected a lot of scrap
metal that he either used himself for jobs, or sold to others. I built my
first telescope mount from his scrap, and the pier that held it, I think I
mentioned that in an earlier post.
I lucked out on building the second pier which I put into the back yard of my
dad’s shop, Carl had just gotten it and it was on top. It was still one
hell of a job getting it home, all 100 feet or so away from where I dug the
hole for it to set in. It, of course, was in the exact middle of the scrap
yard. Damned near broke my ankles climbing over all that stuff.
But Model T coils, nope, I think I did find one once, Carl sold it to me, but
the other one, nope, he wanted it for himself, he had plans for it, possibly
similar to your’s, he always did like playing around with electrical stuff
on his time off.

I forgot to mention the other cause for this dearth of good parts for
tinkering: Ebay. These days, a lot of people take a couple of snapshots
and list their junk on Ebay. It doesn't cost them, and there are always
buyers out there for just about anything. Right now, for example, there
are something like 100 Model T coils for sale on that website, from $25
up.

I suppose passing stuff on to others who can make use of it is good for
the planet, but it does take much of the fun out of hunting through
junk/antique shops...

Malcolm McMahon

2017-10-19 09:20:21 UTC

Post by default
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:11:35 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl

Post by hleopold
I tried a Tesla coil, once, it died a horrid, and very smoky, death. RIP

I need a better class of antique shop! I have not seen even one Model T coil
anywhere in at least 40 years, I used to be able to get them from Carl O.
Carlson’s welding shop, right across the alley from my dad’s electrical
shop. I always liked Carl, even if he thought I was a bit of an annoying kid.
I bought enough stuff from his little junk yard, he collected a lot of scrap
metal that he either used himself for jobs, or sold to others. I built my
first telescope mount from his scrap, and the pier that held it, I think I
mentioned that in an earlier post.
I lucked out on building the second pier which I put into the back yard of my
dad’s shop, Carl had just gotten it and it was on top. It was still one
hell of a job getting it home, all 100 feet or so away from where I dug the
hole for it to set in. It, of course, was in the exact middle of the scrap
yard. Damned near broke my ankles climbing over all that stuff.
But Model T coils, nope, I think I did find one once, Carl sold it to me, but
the other one, nope, he wanted it for himself, he had plans for it, possibly
similar to your’s, he always did like playing around with electrical stuff
on his time off.

There used to be a lot of what I tend to call "electronic junk shops" but I don't know of any survivors.

Electronics as a hobby has almost disappeared. I think it's all down to the integrated circuit revolution.

The results of tinkering just can't compete in so many areas.

And a lot of the more exotic components have been rendered more or less obsolete.

default

2017-10-19 17:49:42 UTC

On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 02:20:21 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon

Post by default
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:11:35 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl

Post by hleopold
I tried a Tesla coil, once, it died a horrid, and very smoky, death. RIP

There used to be a lot of what I tend to call "electronic junk shops" but I don't know of any survivors.
Electronics as a hobby has almost disappeared. I think it's all down to the integrated circuit revolution.
The results of tinkering just can't compete in so many areas.
And a lot of the more exotic components have been rendered more or less obsolete.

I know what you mean. When I was a kid I'd spend a day on "Radio Row"
(Canal St. NYC) Instead of paying a $1-2 for a transistor I could buy
an old IBM card with 20+ transistors on it, along with waveguides,
transmitting capacitors, switches, 400 HZ selsyns for aircraft
indicators or actuators, etc.. I still remember the smell of that
phenol varnish they used back then. The bus was 15 cents, the subway
7 cents, and with a $5 bill I could spend a day down there and come
home with and armload of high tech junk.

These days it is China Town and a lot of restaurants and knock-off
shops. There was one remaining hold-out, or was ~10 years ago when I
was down there last.

There's a few good surplus electronics outlets on-line. The hobby
has been supplanted by micro-controllers and the hobbyists are
programmers with little or no knowledge of electronics. They use
software to design stuff. Very few electrical engineers can design
analog circuits using discrete components today, and vacuum toobs?
fugetaboutit.

Alex W.

2017-10-20 00:46:09 UTC

Post by default
On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 02:20:21 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon

Post by default
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:11:35 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl

Post by hleopold
I tried a Tesla coil, once, it died a horrid, and very smoky, death. RIP

I need a better class of antique shop! I have not seen even one Model T coil
anywhere in at least 40 years, I used to be able to get them from Carl O.
Carlson’s welding shop, right across the alley from my dad’s electrical
shop. I always liked Carl, even if he thought I was a bit of an annoying kid.
I bought enough stuff from his little junk yard, he collected a lot of scrap
metal that he either used himself for jobs, or sold to others. I built my
first telescope mount from his scrap, and the pier that held it, I think I
mentioned that in an earlier post.
I lucked out on building the second pier which I put into the back yard of my
dad’s shop, Carl had just gotten it and it was on top. It was still one
hell of a job getting it home, all 100 feet or so away from where I dug the
hole for it to set in. It, of course, was in the exact middle of the scrap
yard. Damned near broke my ankles climbing over all that stuff.
But Model T coils, nope, I think I did find one once, Carl sold it to me, but
the other one, nope, he wanted it for himself, he had plans for it, possibly
similar to your’s, he always did like playing around with electrical stuff
on his time off.

There used to be a lot of what I tend to call "electronic junk shops" but I don't know of any survivors.
Electronics as a hobby has almost disappeared. I think it's all down to the integrated circuit revolution.
The results of tinkering just can't compete in so many areas.
And a lot of the more exotic components have been rendered more or less obsolete.

I know what you mean. When I was a kid I'd spend a day on "Radio Row"
(Canal St. NYC) Instead of paying a $1-2 for a transistor I could buy
an old IBM card with 20+ transistors on it, along with waveguides,
transmitting capacitors, switches, 400 HZ selsyns for aircraft
indicators or actuators, etc.. I still remember the smell of that
phenol varnish they used back then. The bus was 15 cents, the subway
7 cents, and with a $5 bill I could spend a day down there and come
home with and armload of high tech junk.
These days it is China Town and a lot of restaurants and knock-off
shops. There was one remaining hold-out, or was ~10 years ago when I
was down there last.
There's a few good surplus electronics outlets on-line. The hobby
has been supplanted by micro-controllers and the hobbyists are
programmers with little or no knowledge of electronics. They use
software to design stuff. Very few electrical engineers can design
analog circuits using discrete components today, and vacuum toobs?
fugetaboutit.

One honourable exception: designers and builders of valve/tube amps.
Old-school, and proud of it. I suppose it helps that theirs is a field
where there are enough cashed-up devotees to make it a viable job.

hleopold

2017-10-19 20:19:01 UTC

snippy

Post by Malcolm McMahon
There used to be a lot of what I tend to call "electronic junk shops" but I
don't know of any survivors.
Electronics as a hobby has almost disappeared. I think it's all down to the
integrated circuit revolution.
The results of tinkering just can't compete in so many areas.
And a lot of the more exotic components have been rendered more or less obsolete.

Back when I bought my first computer, about 24 or 25 years ago, I was running
a pawn shop. We did not deal with computers or cell phones, they went
obsolete far to quickly, but one day a lawyer came in with a Mac SE, 20 Meg
hard drive and 1 Meg of RAM. Looked in fine condition and he wanted to sell
it for a reasonable price so I called the boss and got permission to buy it
for myself.

Putting in 4 Megs RAM and updating the drive to an 80 Meg cost me just short
of $1000. Yikes! So I learned quickly to check out those electronic junk
shops both locally and then newly available on line. (Looking at you,
MacResqu.) Did a bit of reading about the SE and other similar Mac computers
and realized that the SE and the SE30 were very similar and very different.
Played around with some numbers, measured, and played with more numbers and
realized that I SHOULD be able to turn my nice, little older SE into a real
powerhouse SE30.

So I searched online, not all that easy back then in the pre-web days and
came across MacResqu, checked out their currently available used parts and
sent in my list one night by email (hey, my very first email ever!)

It was about 11 PM my time.

As I was on AOL for all of 3 days at the time I was very surprised to hear
that “You Got Mail” call about 5 minutes later just before I signed off.
Out in California one of the guys at MacResqu had already responded with a
note that he could send my list out that night and I would have it by noon
the next day. Wow! A good SE30 mother board, a good front bezel. Oh, and
would I be interested in a nice video board to go with that. Oh hell yes!
Total cost was extremely reasonable and they had no problem with me mailing
in a check.

Somebody on the net was willing to mail out goods before getting paid?? Have
I died and gone to heaven? Sure looked like it. And he was including a
printout of info on how to get the thing apart and what I would need to do
the install, I had all of that except for a nibbler tool, that was easy, I
could get that half a block away cheap.

Check in the mail first thing in the morning, sent email (hey, second email,
I think I like this computer stuff.) Got a response back a few minutes later
that package was on the way and should be there via FedEx by about noon.

11:32 AM, FedEx parked in front of the shop with package, it was a Monday so
shop was actually pretty slow, 2 hours later I powered up my new SEX (Apple
chickened out, this should have been the name they put on their SE30 by their
own naming conventions, So that was what I named mine.) WOW! This thing was
FAST! (Ah, those were the days.)

Sent email to MacResqu letting them know everything was together and working
fine. Got mail back saying congrats and to contact them if I had any
questions or needed anything else.

Next day I checked out a new shop that had opened up a few doors down the
street, selling used furniture and housewares, the guy running it for the
owner was a younger guy named Wayne, nice guy, bit odd but friendly. Showed
me around the shop and mentioned that he also collected old computer parts.
Ho boy did he? The basement was mostly filled with stuff he had collected by
dumpster diving, ever see a 10 meg hard drive the size of a dishwasher? He
had one, hell he had nearly one of everything except ENIAC. Damned good
friend for the next 20 years, bought lots of Mac and PC parts from him for
both Diane and myself plus a computer desk he built for Diane, and a office
chair for Diane, and a custom built office chair for me (at my height most
office chairs are just too short and uncomfortable, he basically pieced
together a heavy duty tall chair that was perfect, it certainly helped out my
poor, busted back.

And software, new in the pack older software, still sealed up. He loved the
city and state dumpsters. Bought Diane a shiny, sealed MicroSoft Office for
her birthday, made her very happy. Damn, I bought tons of great shit from
Wayne over the years, made a great friend in him as well. He got to be
friends with Diane as well and the 3 of us had lots of great conversations
over the years on lots of stuff.

He died about 5 or 6 years ago suddenly, At the time he also worked at the
same printing shop I worked at, he went home one week end and died in the
night.

Unlike our many trolls here he was a Christian who lived his belief, he
didn’t try to force it on others. Unlike the trolls here he is missed. He
liked cats, he liked computers, he liked friends, he was a friend and he is
missed. And he had the best computer crap around, he did love the weird
stuff.

Sorry, but with Diane gone and the cat does not do conversation, so I guess
you guys get to deal with me. ;-)

--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness (remove gene to email)

“We don't just borrow words; on occasion English has pursued other
languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for
new vocabulary."-James D. Nicoll

Atlatl Axolotl

2017-10-14 21:05:51 UTC

Post by default
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:11:35 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl

Post by hleopold
I tried a Tesla coil, once, it died a horrid, and very smoky, death. RIP

I need a better class of antique shop! I have not seen even one Model T coil
anywhere in at least 40 years, I used to be able to get them from Carl O.
Carlson’s welding shop, right across the alley from my dad’s electrical
shop. I always liked Carl, even if he thought I was a bit of an annoying kid.
I bought enough stuff from his little junk yard, he collected a lot of scrap
metal that he either used himself for jobs, or sold to others. I built my
first telescope mount from his scrap, and the pier that held it, I think I
mentioned that in an earlier post.
I lucked out on building the second pier which I put into the back yard of my
dad’s shop, Carl had just gotten it and it was on top. It was still one
hell of a job getting it home, all 100 feet or so away from where I dug the
hole for it to set in. It, of course, was in the exact middle of the scrap
yard. Damned near broke my ankles climbing over all that stuff.
But Model T coils, nope, I think I did find one once, Carl sold it to me, but
the other one, nope, he wanted it for himself, he had plans for it, possibly
similar to your’s, he always did like playing around with electrical stuff
on his time off.

http://wondermark.com/c1349/

aa

Orvat Pehzoyl

2017-10-14 22:15:01 UTC

<http://wondermark.com/c1349/>

#274; In which Faith is Renewed
<http://wondermark.com/274/>

--
Orv (thanks for the link)

George Hammond

2017-10-15 01:57:36 UTC

On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 14:05:51 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl
<***@gmail.com> wrote:

SNIP OFF TOPIC SPUTE

JUST A REMINDER TO CASUAL OBSERVERS WHAT THIS THREAD IS
ACTUALLY ABOUT

On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 16:21:28 -0400, default
<***@defaulter.net> wrote:
?

Post by George Hammond
[George Hammonmd wrote]
SNIP CLASSICAL THEORY OF ORGAN PIPES AND MICROWAVE
WAVEGUIDES... IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION

[Default wrote]
No. You are the one claiming these biological constructions are akin
to waveguides.

[George Hammond]
Look, a fiber optic filament is a WAVEGUIDE. A "FIOS"
thread is a waveguide for light.
The average FIOS filament is 50 microns in diameter. The
average microtubule is 15 nanometers in diameter. A FIOS
thread is 3000 times LARGER than a microtubule!
When you have an optical waveguide that is only 15 nm in
diameter and filled with water, the water becomes quasi
crystalline structured... and the wavelength of the light is
near the diameter of the microtubule. This produces a WELL
KNOWN quantum mechanical phenomenon called
"super radiance", also known as "self induced transparency"
in the water, so that the light travels "losslessly" without
any significant attenuation whatsoever.
Hence, the microtubule system which is inside every cell
of the body, including the brain, and interconnected
throughout the entire body by "gap junctions" is one,
gigantic, optically connected, solid-state, FIOS SYSTEM
operating at the speed of light... in the near ultraviolet
range.
Furthermore. The walls of the microtubules are made up of
protein molecules called tubulin, which have two alternative
configurations and can switch back and forth between these
configurations. They are "binary switches" and scientists
have discovered (Craddock et al. 2012) that human memory is
stored in the pattern of these switches in the walls. So
that the UV light flowing through these microtubules is an
"optical readout system" for retrieving our memories.
Obviously under normal circumstances, this readout system
would only proceed at "neuron firing speed" (100 Hz),.....
but quite obviously, if it wanted to, it could read out at
full microtubule speed (10^15 Hz, UV frequency), a trillion
to 1 speedup!
So all I'm saying, is that the existence of this
phenomenal capacity, makes something like "LIFE AFTER
DEATH" scientifically possible!
What the brain would do is; during our life in its leisure
moments, using existing memory, make up a three year long
"AFTERLIFE DREAM", and keep it stored away in case of
emergency...... "sudden-death" being said emergency. If and
when such a thing happened, the microtubule FIOS system
would simply read out the prerecorded, precalculated,
pre-edited ROM ( read-only memory) AFTERLIFE DREAM, which
for a three-year Afterlife. would only take about 1/10 of a
millisecond (trillion:1 compression).... fast enough to beat
a lightning bolt, or even a bullet.
Because the microtubule consciousness, would be operating
at the same speed as the "afterlife readout", "we" ( the
microtubule observing system) would experience the dream in
true "proper time": and we would essentially go to heaven
for three years.
Now you're a logically astute person, if you can operate
a computer on the Internet youre certainly intelligent
enough to understand that simple idea.
So clearly, that is a simple evidence-based logically
coherent, even PLAUSIBLE theory of LIFE AFTER DEATH,

QED......... George Hammond copyright 2017

default

2017-10-15 11:33:49 UTC

On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 21:57:36 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 14:05:51 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl
SNIP OFF TOPIC SPUTE
JUST A REMINDER TO CASUAL OBSERVERS WHAT THIS THREAD IS
ACTUALLY ABOUT

Oh, Come On. We've already critiqued and debunked your ideas about a
scientific explanation of life after death. It doesn't even rise to
the a possibility let alone, plausibility or rational theory. ("we"
because there hasn't been a single post in support of your ideas)

The discussion has evolved into chat, and is more interesting IMO.

Post by George Hammond
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 16:21:28 -0400, default
?

Post by George Hammond
[George Hammonmd wrote]
SNIP CLASSICAL THEORY OF ORGAN PIPES AND MICROWAVE
WAVEGUIDES... IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION

[Default wrote]
No. You are the one claiming these biological constructions are akin
to waveguides.

snipped the irrelevant folderal.

Now back to more important matters:

I was probably around 7-8 when I bought a brand new model T coil from
JC Whitney. I think I paid less than $10 for it with money from my
paper delivery route (I made as much as $8 on a good week, more often
~$5 in tips). The price was $40 in 1990 but I don't see it on the
website today.

The one I got was in the dovetail wood box and was made by KW ignition
company. Whitney also sold one in a metal case.

There's some interesting history on the model T coils with pictures:
http://www.mtfca.com/coils/Coils.htm

And even further from microtubuals:
This is the "Scientific American" article on a do-it-yourself, X-ray
machine. (zip format - the write-up is in the file called index.html)
http://www.noah.org/science/x-ray/x-ray.zip

It uses a "kicker coil" to excite a multilayer tesla coil, or air-core
high frequency transformer, similar to those high frequency high
voltage coils that were sold to find tiny openings in glassware and
insulators. (if you've ever seen one, they pop up in TV shows now and
then, and Fisher Scientific used to catalog and sell them)

The vacuum tube they suggest is hard to find these days, and "modern"
tubes use lead-glass to prevent X-rays. But there are a number of
high voltage vacuum rectifier tubes that will make X-rays and they
were used in the first color TV's (and used in a steel box to shield
them) (it takes 10KV to make X-rays and more is better - old color TV
sets had 30KV horizontal flyback circuits)

And found an interesting article on generating X-rays using scotch
tape.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/x-ray-machine-adhesive-tape/

I better stop or Hammond will be frothing at the mouth or giving birth
to bovine offspring or something.

Irreverend Dave

2017-10-15 22:27:46 UTC

Post by George Hammond
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 14:05:51 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl
SNIP OFF TOPIC SPUTE
JUST A REMINDER TO CASUAL OBSERVERS WHAT THIS THREAD IS
ACTUALLY ABOUT

<snip>

Is it about you posting off topic bullshit to a newsgroup where most of
the posters don't believe in life after death?

If you believe this paper has merit then why not submit it for peer
review? Failing that, why not try the sci.* hierarchy?

--
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist
in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

Christopher A. Lee

2017-10-15 23:14:33 UTC

On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 22:27:46 -0000 (UTC), Irreverend Dave

Post by George Hammond
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 14:05:51 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl
SNIP OFF TOPIC SPUTE
JUST A REMINDER TO CASUAL OBSERVERS WHAT THIS THREAD IS
ACTUALLY ABOUT

<snip>
Is it about you posting off topic bullshit to a newsgroup where most of
the posters don't believe in life after death?
If you believe this paper has merit then why not submit it for peer
review? Failing that, why not try the sci.* hierarchy?

At least it's different from his regular unsolicited, nonsensical
bullshit - his imaginary "scientific proof of God".

Irreverend Dave

2017-10-16 20:08:19 UTC

Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 22:27:46 -0000 (UTC), Irreverend Dave

Post by George Hammond
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 14:05:51 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl
SNIP OFF TOPIC SPUTE
JUST A REMINDER TO CASUAL OBSERVERS WHAT THIS THREAD IS
ACTUALLY ABOUT

<snip>
Is it about you posting off topic bullshit to a newsgroup where most of
the posters don't believe in life after death?
If you believe this paper has merit then why not submit it for peer
review? Failing that, why not try the sci.* hierarchy?

At least it's different from his regular unsolicited, nonsensical
bullshit - his imaginary "scientific proof of God".

SPoG? GOD=Guv? I recall him milking that one for quite a while despite
the fact that nobody took it seriously.

Someone even bothered to take the time to write a song about it, and you
won't believe this, it's still out on the internet!

http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3

--
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist
in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

Christopher A. Lee

2017-10-16 20:20:07 UTC

On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 20:08:19 -0000 (UTC), Irreverend Dave

Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 22:27:46 -0000 (UTC), Irreverend Dave

Post by George Hammond
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 14:05:51 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl
SNIP OFF TOPIC SPUTE
JUST A REMINDER TO CASUAL OBSERVERS WHAT THIS THREAD IS
ACTUALLY ABOUT

<snip>
Is it about you posting off topic bullshit to a newsgroup where most of
the posters don't believe in life after death?
If you believe this paper has merit then why not submit it for peer
review? Failing that, why not try the sci.* hierarchy?

At least it's different from his regular unsolicited, nonsensical
bullshit - his imaginary "scientific proof of God".

SPoG? GOD=Guv? I recall him milking that one for quite a while despite
the fact that nobody took it seriously.
Someone even bothered to take the time to write a song about it, and you
won't believe this, it's still out on the internet!
http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3

No Hammond organ puns, please.

default

2017-10-17 09:18:25 UTC

On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 20:08:19 -0000 (UTC), Irreverend Dave

Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 22:27:46 -0000 (UTC), Irreverend Dave

Post by George Hammond
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 14:05:51 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl
SNIP OFF TOPIC SPUTE
JUST A REMINDER TO CASUAL OBSERVERS WHAT THIS THREAD IS
ACTUALLY ABOUT

<snip>
Is it about you posting off topic bullshit to a newsgroup where most of
the posters don't believe in life after death?
If you believe this paper has merit then why not submit it for peer
review? Failing that, why not try the sci.* hierarchy?

At least it's different from his regular unsolicited, nonsensical
bullshit - his imaginary "scientific proof of God".

SPoG? GOD=Guv? I recall him milking that one for quite a while despite
the fact that nobody took it seriously.
Someone even bothered to take the time to write a song about it, and you
won't believe this, it's still out on the internet!
http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3

Amazing.

Irreverend Dave

2017-10-17 19:50:55 UTC

Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 20:08:19 -0000 (UTC), Irreverend Dave

Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 22:27:46 -0000 (UTC), Irreverend Dave

Post by George Hammond
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 14:05:51 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl
SNIP OFF TOPIC SPUTE
JUST A REMINDER TO CASUAL OBSERVERS WHAT THIS THREAD IS
ACTUALLY ABOUT

<snip>
Is it about you posting off topic bullshit to a newsgroup where most
of the posters don't believe in life after death?
If you believe this paper has merit then why not submit it for peer
review? Failing that, why not try the sci.* hierarchy?

At least it's different from his regular unsolicited, nonsensical
bullshit - his imaginary "scientific proof of God".

SPoG? GOD=Guv? I recall him milking that one for quite a while
despite the fact that nobody took it seriously.
Someone even bothered to take the time to write a song about it, and
you won't believe this, it's still out on the internet!
http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3

Amazing.

Do you mean the song? The musicianship and the production were pretty
good, however the lyrics could have been a bit more satirical.

The "group" was called the Interrobang Cartel. This page might help
explain it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibology

--
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist
in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

default

2017-10-17 21:10:21 UTC

On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 19:50:55 -0000 (UTC), Irreverend Dave

Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 20:08:19 -0000 (UTC), Irreverend Dave

Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 22:27:46 -0000 (UTC), Irreverend Dave

Post by George Hammond
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 14:05:51 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl
SNIP OFF TOPIC SPUTE
JUST A REMINDER TO CASUAL OBSERVERS WHAT THIS THREAD IS
ACTUALLY ABOUT

<snip>
Is it about you posting off topic bullshit to a newsgroup where most
of the posters don't believe in life after death?
If you believe this paper has merit then why not submit it for peer
review? Failing that, why not try the sci.* hierarchy?

At least it's different from his regular unsolicited, nonsensical
bullshit - his imaginary "scientific proof of God".

SPoG? GOD=Guv? I recall him milking that one for quite a while
despite the fact that nobody took it seriously.
Someone even bothered to take the time to write a song about it, and
you won't believe this, it's still out on the internet!
http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3

Amazing.

Do you mean the song? The musicianship and the production were pretty
good, however the lyrics could have been a bit more satirical.
The "group" was called the Interrobang Cartel. This page might help
explain it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibology

Yeah, amazing he has a song written about him. I did some googling
and found there's quite a lot about our Mr Hammond, and it seems he
took a breather and went away for awhile a time or two, perhaps he was
institutionalized or writing a book.

http://www.insolitology.com/topten/georgehammond.htm

A lot of the links on that site are dead but there's still a lot of
stuff there.

According to what I read he believes Stephen Hawking, the late Richard
Feynman, and various Nobel laureates are too stupid to understand his
discoveries.

searching on 'george hammond spog' uncovers a lot of stuff

Atlatl Axolotl

2017-10-15 23:45:30 UTC

Post by George Hammond
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 14:05:51 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl

.> SNIP OFF TOPIC SPUTE
.> JUST A REMINDER TO CASUAL OBSERVERS WHAT THIS THREAD IS
.> ACTUALLY ABOUT

Like language itself, a Usenet thread is about whatever
the users make it about.

We don't need no steenkin' prescriptivists here.

AtlAxo

Post by George Hammond
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 16:21:28 -0400, default
?

Post by George Hammond
[George Hammonmd wrote]
SNIP CLASSICAL THEORY OF ORGAN PIPES AND MICROWAVE
WAVEGUIDES... IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION

[Default wrote]
No. You are the one claiming these biological constructions are akin
to waveguides.

[George Hammond]
Look, a fiber optic filament is a WAVEGUIDE. A "FIOS"
thread is a waveguide for light.
The average FIOS filament is 50 microns in diameter. The
average microtubule is 15 nanometers in diameter. A FIOS
thread is 3000 times LARGER than a microtubule!
When you have an optical waveguide that is only 15 nm in
diameter and filled with water, the water becomes quasi
crystalline structured... and the wavelength of the light is
near the diameter of the microtubule. This produces a WELL
KNOWN quantum mechanical phenomenon called
"super radiance", also known as "self induced transparency"
in the water, so that the light travels "losslessly" without
any significant attenuation whatsoever.
Hence, the microtubule system which is inside every cell
of the body, including the brain, and interconnected
throughout the entire body by "gap junctions" is one,
gigantic, optically connected, solid-state, FIOS SYSTEM
operating at the speed of light... in the near ultraviolet
range.
Furthermore. The walls of the microtubules are made up of
protein molecules called tubulin, which have two alternative
configurations and can switch back and forth between these
configurations. They are "binary switches" and scientists
have discovered (Craddock et al. 2012) that human memory is
stored in the pattern of these switches in the walls. So
that the UV light flowing through these microtubules is an
"optical readout system" for retrieving our memories.
Obviously under normal circumstances, this readout system
would only proceed at "neuron firing speed" (100 Hz),.....
but quite obviously, if it wanted to, it could read out at
full microtubule speed (10^15 Hz, UV frequency), a trillion
to 1 speedup!
So all I'm saying, is that the existence of this
phenomenal capacity, makes something like "LIFE AFTER
DEATH" scientifically possible!
What the brain would do is; during our life in its leisure
moments, using existing memory, make up a three year long
"AFTERLIFE DREAM", and keep it stored away in case of
emergency...... "sudden-death" being said emergency. If and
when such a thing happened, the microtubule FIOS system
would simply read out the prerecorded, precalculated,
pre-edited ROM ( read-only memory) AFTERLIFE DREAM, which
for a three-year Afterlife. would only take about 1/10 of a
millisecond (trillion:1 compression).... fast enough to beat
a lightning bolt, or even a bullet.
Because the microtubule consciousness, would be operating
at the same speed as the "afterlife readout", "we" ( the
microtubule observing system) would experience the dream in
true "proper time": and we would essentially go to heaven
for three years.
Now you're a logically astute person, if you can operate
a computer on the Internet you’re certainly intelligent
enough to understand that simple idea.
So clearly, that is a simple evidence-based logically
coherent, even PLAUSIBLE theory of LIFE AFTER DEATH,
QED......... George Hammond copyright 2017

hleopold

2017-10-13 01:36:00 UTC

A fascinating read. Thank you.
And my sympathies about Tribble. I know far too well what that's like.
Atlatl Axolotl

I feel as bad about a loyal animal friend dying as I do about friend or
family dying. Had too many of each.

--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness (remove gene to email)

“I am not willing to fill in the cracks with god-spackle.“-Zamboni

hleopold

2017-10-13 01:33:44 UTC

Snippage

Post by hleopold
I wired/rewired houses, business, some small electronics, motors, pumps etc.,
for my dad (I was his first employee, hell, I was his only employee from age
12 to 20.) Also did sheet metal, design and fabrication of air ducts in new
construction and in enplaced homes and businesses, installed furnaces and
air-conditioning for same.

Damn, sounds like you have had even more fun than I have.

Post by default
My C school was for a system that couldn't fit on a warship, so I had
only shore stations. I did get onto the USS Sequoia, to repair the TV
in the crew's quarters. It was the presidential yacht back when
presidents had yachts and I was in D.C. awaiting a background
investigation for a security clearance.

I went in to get away from home and didn't give a "choice." In boot
camp I scored very high on the GCT/ARI series and the hearing tests
for radio/sonar. I told them I wanted to be a sonar man, but the guy
doing the job assignments said "Your scores are high enough you can do
whatever you want, but I have a job to fill that only three in a
thousand can work in and you're a shoe-in because you listed an
electronics hobby." That's how I got to be a CT, and spent 8 months
working fixing radios in the base vehicles in the Washington Navy
Yard.
I was assigned to clean heads by the leading seaman in DC. And just
as I was getting ready for some pretty foul work, he comes rushing
back and tells me to get in dress blues and sends me to the air base
commander's office. (who held the rank of "commander" too) He had
two of us there and said he needed a secretary and we both filled in
typing as a skill in some boot camp questionnaire.
The other guy wanted the job (it would keep us from cleaning heads) so
I told the commander I'd be happier doing something in electronics and
he sent me off to a tiny repair shop run by a third class ET.
(submariner) We fixed the mobile and base station VHF radios around
the base and a lot of odd-ball stuff that didn't have a repair staff.

Post by hleopold
Ha! My dad was also in the Navy at the time of my birth and for about 8 years
more, we bounced all over the east coast and the mid-west for most of those
years: Philly, to Boston, to NYC, to upstate NY, to Marceline, MO, to Newport
News, to Jacksonville Beach, FL, back to MO. Back in the 50’s traveling by
car you had a lot of trips where you would end up staying in a motel for a
day or more, I remember our driving to Jacksonville Beach and having to stay
at one motel for, I think, 3 days because of extremely heavy rains. 1948?
Studabachers were not exactly great for driving in such storms, nor did they
have much in the way of windshield wipers, hell, I can’t really think of
any 1940’s car that did either. And “2” lane “highways” that many
times were more gravel than concrete or even asphalt. Tennessee was “fun”
to drive through, though I did enjoy the motel. I was 5 at the time, so of
course I had fun.

I remember those old vacuum-powered windshield wipers. Step on the
accelerator and you're driving blind.

And in the mid-50’s Tennessee was all curves and up and down hills, or at
least that is the way I remember it, and no where to pull off to the side of
the road to sit out the storm until you hit a town.

My uncle repaired/tuned pipe organs and sold pianos - but my interest
didn't take off until I retired and built a few Tesla coils and
started studying resonance etc..

I tried a Tesla coil, once, it died a horrid, and very smoky, death. RIP

Post by hleopold
I always visualized them as sound tubes, or organ pipes, count your waves,
terminate. Hmmm, actually sounds a lot like SCSI on my early Macs, those
could be tons of fun if things didn’t go correctly.
I really need to dig out my old class books on waveguides, I think I still
have them somewhere, might be at my sisters from when she cleaned out my
dads’ house after he died.

In nuke school they probably already had a lot of time and money
invested in you and those TS clearances must cost a bunch too.

Never got to nuke school, I dropped out before I was sent. I kept meeting
guys I had met earlier in electronics school who flunked out or dropped out
from exhaustion, plus a couple who had “passed” the school. The smart
ones were the ones dropping out, you know, the ones that actually tried to
learn the subject, the ones who passed were the ones who learned by rote.
That scared me, I want people who actually understand the subject working on
it, not the idiots with no clue. (I point to Chernobyl as a result of the
latter.)

Post by default
I ran into a division officer on Adak that sent me to a captain's mast
for being AWOL too. I was AWOL for ~30 minutes because I stopped at
home on the way to the base (there were some 4 individual bases on
Adak Alaska and mine was the longest drive from the airport; I'd come
in from Anchorage AK) The real reason he was pissed was because I
questioned his judgment in building an FM radio station (I built the
transmitter) without first seeking FCC approval, or seeing if there'd
be any Tempest Hazard with it being so close to a secret facility. I'd
just assumed he had all that taken care of before I started and when I
brought it up, it seemed like I was being "insubordinate." (I was) I
didn't lose any rank over it or get any punishment... I drove my own
car - had I waited for the bus I would have been hours late.

Strangely enough, I had another Captains Mast for missing movement, the ship
was pulling out of Hong Kong harbor, and I could not get to the harbor in
time, I made a fast deal with some fisherman and he ran me out to the ship. I
don’t speak Chinese, he spoke very little English, but we were able to make
a deal, all the HK cash I had, plus a $5 bill I had on me. I think it was
maybe a total of 412 bucks or so. Odd thing, at the Captains Mast I was
merely restricted to the ship for (I think) 2 weeks, at the time we weren’t
to hit land for closer to 3 weeks, than back to sea to the Indian Ocean for
what turned out to be 3 months. (And the case of the moldy carrot cake.) I
remember that Chinese sailor and his boat fondly to this day, I think he
might have once been a navy man with some country or other.

Post by default
My cat was Tribble. She died of cancer last month. She wasn't bright
as some cats I've known but she loved to play and was super
affectionate. Tribble from "The Trouble with Tribbles" Star Trek - a
tan fluff ball, who constantly made trilling sounds unless she was
sleeping and then she snored. Her only talent: hiding my socks. My
wife got her from the pound as an adult and I had her for only 6
years.

I was always a dog guy, and then my sister dumped Leo on me, “just for a
few weeks,” He was 6 when I got him, he died 15 years later in my arms. He
was an Oriental Tabby, grumpy, grouchy and loud, and he had seizures. I had
cluster headaches, a lot of them. He spent a lot of time walking with me in
the dark when they hit me, never once tripped me, it helped, a lot. I held
him when he had his seizures. I still miss the old grump. He was the only cat
I have ever had that liked sitting in a lap. As Diane said, he kept both of
us from floating out of our chairs and bouncing off the ceiling.

A few weeks after he died we started looking for another cat, we both needed
one and found Tiffany, a cat that had been returned to the shelter from at
least 3 homes. Very friendly, but damn she was weird, Diane and I both swore
that we had actually gotten 2 pets, her tail was not part of her and it was
nearly as big as she was. She would sit next to you and wrap her tail around
your ankle. She was also a crime buster, she caught a guy breaking into one
of our neighbors cars. It is in the police and court records that she was the
one to catch him in the act. I did call the cops for her, I also testified in
court to how she catch him breaking into the car.

Every morning I came home she would wait by the door for me, and one day I
came home and there she was, at the front door and she was dead, no warning,
but like Leo she was old by that time, she had been with us for 15 years. So
Leo died at age 21, Tiffany was at least 18 or 19 at least.

Now I have Spot, I got him for Diane for mothers day and we both miss her
greatly. He is about 6 now.

I don't bear him any ill will, but it is scary to think that anyone
reading his tripe may actually think there's a scientific
justification for believing in life after death.
Religious people have already learned to swallow a lot of paranormal
crap. I'm afraid cellular level intelligence and microtubule
waveguides aren't that big a stretch to the religiously afflicted
mind.

Time Cube is dead, still on the wayback machine though.
Mr. Hammond would certainly fit right in.

That was how both Diane and I felt about it, I can’t possibly count the
times I came home in the morning after work and would turn on my computer to
find half a dozen emails from her with new science notes she had found the
night before, and my IM filled with even more.

We were a bit odd, our computers are on two desks next to each other, and
there we would be, both at our computer and we would be sending IM’s,
email, physical notes and talking to each other all at the same time. It was
weird, but it was us.

Post by default
Hammond's on solid ground: A theory, based on an assumption, based on
faith, based on the beliefs of superstitious goat herders. Yeah boy!
that's what I call science....

Exactly!

--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness (remove gene to email)

“Of course *you use an operating system hand woven on a loom at a co-op in
the Andean mountains I'm sure.“-Mark K. Bilbo

hleopold

2017-10-13 20:32:54 UTC

Post by hleopold
Strangely enough, I had another Captains Mast for missing movement, the ship
was pulling out of Hong Kong harbor, and I could not get to the harbor in
time, I made a fast deal with some fisherman and he ran me out to the ship. I
don’t speak Chinese, he spoke very little English, but we were able to make
a deal, all the HK cash I had, plus a $5 bill I had on me. I think it was
maybe a total of 412 bucks or so.

What the hell, I know I typed in $12, not 412.

(Glad I always go back and reread my posts, I learn, hopefully, from my
mistakes.)

I hate making silly mistakes, and I can’t even blame the cat on this one,
he was sleeping in the chair behind me when I wrote this post.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness (remove gene to email)

“I was raised Southern Baptist, brat; I cut my eyeteeth in the revival tent
circuit. I ate breakfast with all the saints, and know 'em by their first
names. I sweetened my cereal with brimstone and kept warm by hellfire on cold
winter mornings.“ - Kermit

Christopher A. Lee

2017-10-13 12:55:11 UTC

My sympathy. My cat was rescued in up-state New York and I took her in
2002.

She was an adult then, and is very old, She can't jump on my bed any
more, even with a foot stool, so she miaows loudly to wake me up, pick
her up and put her on it.

She also stopped eating, and I discovered she was had lost some teeth.
So I switched from dry food to wet in cans. I give her a small amount
several times a day, otherwise she only eats a bit and turns up her
nose at it a couple of hours later. I also chop up a sardine and give
her that, or small amounts of my chicken or beef.

I don't think she's got much time left, and even though I am prepared,
it's going to hurt.

Like you, I still miss my previous cats - Pleocatra who was a Calico,
and Sammy who was her kitten both came with me from Manchester when I
came to America to work in Silicon Valley at the end of the 1980s.

Sammy survived until 1998, and was almost twenty. I didn't have one
until 2001 when I took on a rescued cat, and this one a year later.

Like you, I remember them all and miss them.

With an old cat, you give them so much love in their last year or
two, that's what keeps them going and it makes it harder when you lose
them.

default

2017-10-13 20:03:36 UTC

On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 07:55:11 -0500, Christopher A. Lee

Post by Christopher A. Lee

You could build her a handicap ramp. I did that with one of my
outdoor cats. She was getting on in years and I made an plush lined
box for her with a thermostatically controlled heat pad and ramp so
she could get up to the deck. She had a habit of peeing everywhere so
I didn't want her in the house and didn't want her to freeze.

Post by Christopher A. Lee
She also stopped eating, and I discovered she was had lost some teeth.
So I switched from dry food to wet in cans. I give her a small amount
several times a day, otherwise she only eats a bit and turns up her
nose at it a couple of hours later. I also chop up a sardine and give
her that, or small amounts of my chicken or beef.
I don't think she's got much time left, and even though I am prepared,
it's going to hurt.

It sounds like she's getting ready to check out. I know the drill,
chicken livers, canned tuna fish and chicken breast etc.. Anything to
keep them alive a little bit longer.

Post by Christopher A. Lee
Like you, I still miss my previous cats - Pleocatra who was a Calico,
and Sammy who was her kitten both came with me from Manchester when I
came to America to work in Silicon Valley at the end of the 1980s.
Sammy survived until 1998, and was almost twenty. I didn't have one
until 2001 when I took on a rescued cat, and this one a year later.
Like you, I remember them all and miss them.
With an old cat, you give them so much love in their last year or
two, that's what keeps them going and it makes it harder when you lose
them.

Good luck with her.

George Hammond

2017-10-12 06:20:29 UTC

On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 16:21:28 -0400, default

Post by default
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:31:19 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
[George Hammonmd wrote]
SNIP CLASSICAL THEORY OF ORGAN PIPES AND MICROWAVE
WAVEGUIDES... IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION

No. You are the one claiming these biological constructions are akin
to waveguides.

[George Hammond]
Look, a fiber optic cable is a WAVEGUIDE. A "FIOS"
cable is a waveguide for light.
The average FIOS cable is 50 microns in diameter. The
average microtubule is 15 nanometers in diameter. A FIOS
cable is 3000 times LARGER than a microtubule!
When you have an optical waveguide that is only 15 nm in
diameter and filled with water, the water becomes quasi
crystaline structured... and the wavelength of the light is
near the diameter of the microtubule. This produces a WELL
KNOWN phenomenon called "super radiance", also known as
"self induced transparency" in the water, so that the light
travels "losslessly" without any significant attenuation
whatsoever.
Hence, the microtubule system which is inside every cell
of the body, including the brain, and interconnected
throughout the entire body by "gap junctions" is one,
gigantic, optically connected, solid-state, FIOS SYSTEM
operating at the speed of light... in the near ultraviolet
range.
Furthermore. The walls of the microtubules are made up of
protein molecules called tubulin, which have two alternative
configurations and can switch back and forth between these
configurations. They are "binary switches" and scientists
have discovered (Craddock et al) that human memory is stored
in the pattern of these switches in the walls. So that the
UV light flowing through these microtubules is an "optical
readout system" for retrieving our memories.
Obviously under normal circumstances, this readout system
would only proceed at "neuronal speed" (100 Hz,..... but
quite obviously, if you wanted to, it could precede and
follow microtubule speed (10^15 Hz, UV frequency).
So all I'm saying, is that the existence of this
phenomenal capacity, would make something like "LIFE AFTER
DEATH" scientifically possible!
what it would do is, during our life in its leisure
moments, using existing memory, make up a three year along
"AFTERLIFE DREAM", and keep it stored away in case of
emergency...... "sudden-death" being said emergency. If and
when such a thing happened, the microtubule FIOS system
would simply read out the prerecorded, precalculated,
pre-edited ROM ( read-only memory) AFTERLIFE DREAM, which
for a three-year afterlife. Would only take about 1/10 of a
millisecond.... fast enough to eat a lightning bolt, or even
a bullet.
Because the microtubule consciousness, would be operating
at the same speed as the "afterlife readout", "we" ( the
microtubule observing system) would experience the dream in
true "proper time: and would essentially go to heaven for
three years.

Now you're a logically astute person, if he can operate a
computer on the Internet is certainly intelligent enough to
understand that simple idea.
So clearly, that is a simple evidence-based logically
coherent, even PLAUSIBLE theory of LIFE AFTER DEATH,

QED......... George Hammond copyright 2017

default

2017-10-12 13:09:50 UTC

On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 02:20:29 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 16:21:28 -0400, default

Post by default
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:31:19 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
[George Hammonmd wrote]
SNIP CLASSICAL THEORY OF ORGAN PIPES AND MICROWAVE
WAVEGUIDES... IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION

No. You are the one claiming these biological constructions are akin
to waveguides.

[George Hammond]
Look, a fiber optic cable is a WAVEGUIDE. A "FIOS"
cable is a waveguide for light.
The average FIOS cable is 50 microns in diameter. The
average microtubule is 15 nanometers in diameter. A FIOS
cable is 3000 times LARGER than a microtubule!
When you have an optical waveguide that is only 15 nm in
diameter and filled with water, the water becomes quasi
crystaline structured... and the wavelength of the light is
near the diameter of the microtubule. This produces a WELL
KNOWN phenomenon called "super radiance", also known as
"self induced transparency" in the water, so that the light
travels "losslessly" without any significant attenuation
whatsoever.
Hence, the microtubule system which is inside every cell
of the body, including the brain, and interconnected
throughout the entire body by "gap junctions" is one,
gigantic, optically connected, solid-state, FIOS SYSTEM
operating at the speed of light... in the near ultraviolet
range.
Furthermore. The walls of the microtubules are made up of
protein molecules called tubulin, which have two alternative
configurations and can switch back and forth between these
configurations. They are "binary switches" and scientists
have discovered (Craddock et al) that human memory is stored
in the pattern of these switches in the walls. So that the
UV light flowing through these microtubules is an "optical
readout system" for retrieving our memories.
Obviously under normal circumstances, this readout system
would only proceed at "neuronal speed" (100 Hz,..... but
quite obviously, if you wanted to, it could precede and
follow microtubule speed (10^15 Hz, UV frequency).
So all I'm saying, is that the existence of this
phenomenal capacity, would make something like "LIFE AFTER
DEATH" scientifically possible!
what it would do is, during our life in its leisure
moments, using existing memory, make up a three year along
"AFTERLIFE DREAM", and keep it stored away in case of
emergency...... "sudden-death" being said emergency. If and
when such a thing happened, the microtubule FIOS system
would simply read out the prerecorded, precalculated,
pre-edited ROM ( read-only memory) AFTERLIFE DREAM, which
for a three-year afterlife. Would only take about 1/10 of a
millisecond.... fast enough to eat a lightning bolt, or even
a bullet.
Because the microtubule consciousness, would be operating
at the same speed as the "afterlife readout", "we" ( the
microtubule observing system) would experience the dream in
true "proper time: and would essentially go to heaven for
three years.
Now you're a logically astute person, if he can operate a
computer on the Internet is certainly intelligent enough to
understand that simple idea.
So clearly, that is a simple evidence-based logically
coherent, even PLAUSIBLE theory of LIFE AFTER DEATH,
QED......... George Hammond copyright 2017

Copyright? You think this is something valuable? What? your heirs
will profit some day in the far future when some part of what you are
spouting can be proven? Good luck with that.

What you have cobbled together is An un credible theory, based on an
assumption, supported by a supposition, based on faith, on the beliefs
of superstitious goat herders.

AND that's all you have; it doesn't come close to "Plausibility."

There's some rich irony that you are using the computer and things
that required actual science long after the goat herders that came up
with the crackpot theory of god turned to dust.

I don't for one second believe that you were an atheist that found god
in physics. The benefit of the doubt would have you (being beyond the
actuarial "best if used by date") trying to rekindle a belief or
assuage feelings of guilt before you check out.

I get that, I'm there too, but I'm not going to lie to myself because
I don't have the courage to face facts. I had a good life, a
smashingly good life compared to what I see around me and that alone
is all I have: memories, and enough vitality/vigor to appreciate the
sweet dregs.

George Hammond

2017-10-12 21:39:24 UTC

On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 09:09:50 -0400, default

Post by default
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 02:20:29 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 16:21:28 -0400, default

Post by default
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:31:19 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
[George Hammonmd wrote]
SNIP CLASSICAL THEORY OF ORGAN PIPES AND MICROWAVE
WAVEGUIDES... IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION

???[Default wrote]

Post by default
No. You are the one claiming these biological constructions are akin
to waveguides.

[George Hammond]
Look, a fiber optic cable is a WAVEGUIDE. A "FIOS"
cable is a waveguide for light.
The average FIOS cable is 50 microns in diameter. The
average microtubule is 15 nanometers in diameter. A FIOS
cable is 3000 times LARGER than a microtubule!
When you have an optical waveguide that is only 15 nm in
diameter and filled with water, the water becomes quasi
crystaline structured... and the wavelength of the light is
near the diameter of the microtubule. This produces a WELL
KNOWN phenomenon called "super radiance", also known as
"self induced transparency" in the water, so that the light
travels "losslessly" without any significant attenuation
whatsoever.
Hence, the microtubule system which is inside every cell
of the body, including the brain, and interconnected
throughout the entire body by "gap junctions" is one,
gigantic, optically connected, solid-state, FIOS SYSTEM
operating at the speed of light... in the near ultraviolet
range.
Furthermore. The walls of the microtubules are made up of
protein molecules called tubulin, which have two alternative
configurations and can switch back and forth between these
configurations. They are "binary switches" and scientists
have discovered (Craddock et al) that human memory is stored
in the pattern of these switches in the walls. So that the
UV light flowing through these microtubules is an "optical
readout system" for retrieving our memories.
Obviously under normal circumstances, this readout system
would only proceed at "neuronal speed" (100 Hz,..... but
quite obviously, if you wanted to, it could precede and
follow microtubule speed (10^15 Hz, UV frequency).
So all I'm saying, is that the existence of this
phenomenal capacity, would make something like "LIFE AFTER
DEATH" scientifically possible!
what it would do is, during our life in its leisure
moments, using existing memory, make up a three year along
"AFTERLIFE DREAM", and keep it stored away in case of
emergency...... "sudden-death" being said emergency. If and
when such a thing happened, the microtubule FIOS system
would simply read out the prerecorded, precalculated,
pre-edited ROM ( read-only memory) AFTERLIFE DREAM, which
for a three-year afterlife. Would only take about 1/10 of a
millisecond.... fast enough to eat a lightning bolt, or even
a bullet.
Because the microtubule consciousness, would be operating
at the same speed as the "afterlife readout", "we" ( the
microtubule observing system) would experience the dream in
true "proper time: and would essentially go to heaven for
three years.
Now you're a logically astute person, if he can operate a
computer on the Internet is certainly intelligent enough to
understand that simple idea.
So clearly, that is a simple evidence-based logically
coherent, even PLAUSIBLE theory of LIFE AFTER DEATH,
QED......... George Hammond copyright 2017

[Default wrote]
Copyright? You think this is something valuable? What? your heirs
will profit some day in the far future when some part of what you are
spouting can be proven? Good luck with that.
What you have cobbled together is An un credible theory, based on an
assumption, supported by a supposition, based on faith, on the beliefs
of superstitious goat herders.
AND that's all you have; it doesn't come close to "Plausibility."

[George Hammond]
Public opinion refutes your opinion. I posted the theory
on academia.eduu, the world's largest academic website with
48 million members who have posted 18 million academic
papers. They keep track of the traffic (visitors reading
the papers) and I am in the top 3% .... with many
thousands of people from all over the globe reading it. So
long sucker.

Post by default
I don't for one second believe that you were an atheist that found god
in physics. The benefit of the doubt would have you (being beyond the
actuarial "best if used by date") trying to rekindle a belief or
assuage feelings of guilt before you check out.

[George Hammond]
Huh.... it's documented in my book available from AMAZON:

INVESTIGATING THE SPOG
http://goo.gl/42BmeJ

SPOG stands for "Scientific Proof of God" so the refutation
of your opinion is already in print.
SNIT OT fluff.

default

2017-10-13 14:36:57 UTC

On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:39:24 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 09:09:50 -0400, default

Post by default
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 02:20:29 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 16:21:28 -0400, default

Post by default
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:31:19 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
[George Hammonmd wrote]
SNIP CLASSICAL THEORY OF ORGAN PIPES AND MICROWAVE
WAVEGUIDES... IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION

???[Default wrote]

Post by default
No. You are the one claiming these biological constructions are akin
to waveguides.

[George Hammond]
Look, a fiber optic cable is a WAVEGUIDE. A "FIOS"
cable is a waveguide for light.
The average FIOS cable is 50 microns in diameter. The
average microtubule is 15 nanometers in diameter. A FIOS
cable is 3000 times LARGER than a microtubule!
When you have an optical waveguide that is only 15 nm in
diameter and filled with water, the water becomes quasi
crystaline structured... and the wavelength of the light is
near the diameter of the microtubule. This produces a WELL
KNOWN phenomenon called "super radiance", also known as
"self induced transparency" in the water, so that the light
travels "losslessly" without any significant attenuation
whatsoever.
Hence, the microtubule system which is inside every cell
of the body, including the brain, and interconnected
throughout the entire body by "gap junctions" is one,
gigantic, optically connected, solid-state, FIOS SYSTEM
operating at the speed of light... in the near ultraviolet
range.
Furthermore. The walls of the microtubules are made up of
protein molecules called tubulin, which have two alternative
configurations and can switch back and forth between these
configurations. They are "binary switches" and scientists
have discovered (Craddock et al) that human memory is stored
in the pattern of these switches in the walls. So that the
UV light flowing through these microtubules is an "optical
readout system" for retrieving our memories.
Obviously under normal circumstances, this readout system
would only proceed at "neuronal speed" (100 Hz,..... but
quite obviously, if you wanted to, it could precede and
follow microtubule speed (10^15 Hz, UV frequency).
So all I'm saying, is that the existence of this
phenomenal capacity, would make something like "LIFE AFTER
DEATH" scientifically possible!
what it would do is, during our life in its leisure
moments, using existing memory, make up a three year along
"AFTERLIFE DREAM", and keep it stored away in case of
emergency...... "sudden-death" being said emergency. If and
when such a thing happened, the microtubule FIOS system
would simply read out the prerecorded, precalculated,
pre-edited ROM ( read-only memory) AFTERLIFE DREAM, which
for a three-year afterlife. Would only take about 1/10 of a
millisecond.... fast enough to eat a lightning bolt, or even
a bullet.
Because the microtubule consciousness, would be operating
at the same speed as the "afterlife readout", "we" ( the
microtubule observing system) would experience the dream in
true "proper time: and would essentially go to heaven for
three years.
Now you're a logically astute person, if he can operate a
computer on the Internet is certainly intelligent enough to
understand that simple idea.
So clearly, that is a simple evidence-based logically
coherent, even PLAUSIBLE theory of LIFE AFTER DEATH,
QED......... George Hammond copyright 2017

Hey! I'm reading what you write too. That doesn't mean I believe any
of it. You are just another fanatical believer in the paranormal and
occult.

You are in good company, after all, almost 8% of the members of the
National Academy of Sciences believe in immortality. Of course that
survey is 20 years old....

[George Hammond]
INVESTIGATING THE SPOG
http://goo.gl/42BmeJ
SPOG stands for "Scientific Proof of God" so the refutation
of your opinion is already in print.
SNIT OT fluff.

The one reader comments:
"Hammond's mind soars like a dodo in this epic tour de farce."

dodo: "an extinct flightless bird" the analogy too subtle for you?

hleopold

2017-10-13 02:19:14 UTC

Post by default
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 02:20:29 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 16:21:28 -0400, default

Post by default
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:31:19 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
[George Hammonmd wrote]
SNIP CLASSICAL THEORY OF ORGAN PIPES AND MICROWAVE
WAVEGUIDES... IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION

No. You are the one claiming these biological constructions are akin
to waveguides.

[George Hammond]
Look, a fiber optic cable is a WAVEGUIDE. A "FIOS"
cable is a waveguide for light.
The average FIOS cable is 50 microns in diameter. The
average microtubule is 15 nanometers in diameter. A FIOS
cable is 3000 times LARGER than a microtubule!
When you have an optical waveguide that is only 15 nm in
diameter and filled with water, the water becomes quasi
crystaline structured... and the wavelength of the light is
near the diameter of the microtubule. This produces a WELL
KNOWN phenomenon called "super radiance", also known as
"self induced transparency" in the water, so that the light
travels "losslessly" without any significant attenuation
whatsoever.
Hence, the microtubule system which is inside every cell
of the body, including the brain, and interconnected
throughout the entire body by "gap junctions" is one,
gigantic, optically connected, solid-state, FIOS SYSTEM
operating at the speed of light... in the near ultraviolet
range.
Furthermore. The walls of the microtubules are made up of
protein molecules called tubulin, which have two alternative
configurations and can switch back and forth between these
configurations. They are "binary switches" and scientists
have discovered (Craddock et al) that human memory is stored
in the pattern of these switches in the walls. So that the
UV light flowing through these microtubules is an "optical
readout system" for retrieving our memories.
Obviously under normal circumstances, this readout system
would only proceed at "neuronal speed" (100 Hz,..... but
quite obviously, if you wanted to, it could precede and
follow microtubule speed (10^15 Hz, UV frequency).
So all I'm saying, is that the existence of this
phenomenal capacity, would make something like "LIFE AFTER
DEATH" scientifically possible!
what it would do is, during our life in its leisure
moments, using existing memory, make up a three year along
"AFTERLIFE DREAM", and keep it stored away in case of
emergency...... "sudden-death" being said emergency. If and
when such a thing happened, the microtubule FIOS system
would simply read out the prerecorded, precalculated,
pre-edited ROM ( read-only memory) AFTERLIFE DREAM, which
for a three-year afterlife. Would only take about 1/10 of a
millisecond.... fast enough to eat a lightning bolt, or even
a bullet.
Because the microtubule consciousness, would be operating
at the same speed as the "afterlife readout", "we" ( the
microtubule observing system) would experience the dream in
true "proper time: and would essentially go to heaven for
three years.
Now you're a logically astute person, if he can operate a
computer on the Internet is certainly intelligent enough to
understand that simple idea.
So clearly, that is a simple evidence-based logically
coherent, even PLAUSIBLE theory of LIFE AFTER DEATH,
QED......... George Hammond copyright 2017

Copyright? You think this is something valuable? What? your heirs
will profit some day in the far future when some part of what you are
spouting can be proven? Good luck with that.
What you have cobbled together is An un credible theory, based on an
assumption, supported by a supposition, based on faith, on the beliefs
of superstitious goat herders.
AND that's all you have; it doesn't come close to "Plausibility."
There's some rich irony that you are using the computer and things
that required actual science long after the goat herders that came up
with the crackpot theory of god turned to dust.
I don't for one second believe that you were an atheist that found god
in physics. The benefit of the doubt would have you (being beyond the
actuarial "best if used by date") trying to rekindle a belief or
assuage feelings of guilt before you check out.
I get that, I'm there too, but I'm not going to lie to myself because
I don't have the courage to face facts. I had a good life, a
smashingly good life compared to what I see around me and that alone
is all I have: memories, and enough vitality/vigor to appreciate the
sweet dregs.

Having been dead (don’t worry, I got better) I find Hammond’s silliness,
well, rather silly.

Do NOT, under any circumstances, get between 440v 3 phase electricity and
ground. Not even if your father, who happens to be a well-trained electron in
addition to being a well-trained fireman who taught life-saving classes, is
there.

It was a near thing. It was also very painful, once I was back. Being dead
wasn’t anything, being alive with burns and cracked ribs was very much so.

--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness (remove gene to email)

“I confess I don't know much of the structural strength of swiss cheese,
but it might be a bit sturdier than exploding right away.“ - CeeBee

Atlatl Axolotl

2017-10-13 02:23:32 UTC

Post by default
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 02:20:29 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 16:21:28 -0400, default

Post by default
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:31:19 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
[George Hammonmd wrote]
SNIP CLASSICAL THEORY OF ORGAN PIPES AND MICROWAVE
WAVEGUIDES... IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION

No. You are the one claiming these biological constructions are akin
to waveguides.

[George Hammond]
Look, a fiber optic cable is a WAVEGUIDE. A "FIOS"
cable is a waveguide for light.
The average FIOS cable is 50 microns in diameter. The
average microtubule is 15 nanometers in diameter. A FIOS
cable is 3000 times LARGER than a microtubule!
When you have an optical waveguide that is only 15 nm in
diameter and filled with water, the water becomes quasi
crystaline structured... and the wavelength of the light is
near the diameter of the microtubule. This produces a WELL
KNOWN phenomenon called "super radiance", also known as
"self induced transparency" in the water, so that the light
travels "losslessly" without any significant attenuation
whatsoever.
Hence, the microtubule system which is inside every cell
of the body, including the brain, and interconnected
throughout the entire body by "gap junctions" is one,
gigantic, optically connected, solid-state, FIOS SYSTEM
operating at the speed of light... in the near ultraviolet
range.
Furthermore. The walls of the microtubules are made up of
protein molecules called tubulin, which have two alternative
configurations and can switch back and forth between these
configurations. They are "binary switches" and scientists
have discovered (Craddock et al) that human memory is stored
in the pattern of these switches in the walls. So that the
UV light flowing through these microtubules is an "optical
readout system" for retrieving our memories.
Obviously under normal circumstances, this readout system
would only proceed at "neuronal speed" (100 Hz,..... but
quite obviously, if you wanted to, it could precede and
follow microtubule speed (10^15 Hz, UV frequency).
So all I'm saying, is that the existence of this
phenomenal capacity, would make something like "LIFE AFTER
DEATH" scientifically possible!
what it would do is, during our life in its leisure
moments, using existing memory, make up a three year along
"AFTERLIFE DREAM", and keep it stored away in case of
emergency...... "sudden-death" being said emergency. If and
when such a thing happened, the microtubule FIOS system
would simply read out the prerecorded, precalculated,
pre-edited ROM ( read-only memory) AFTERLIFE DREAM, which
for a three-year afterlife. Would only take about 1/10 of a
millisecond.... fast enough to eat a lightning bolt, or even
a bullet.
Because the microtubule consciousness, would be operating
at the same speed as the "afterlife readout", "we" ( the
microtubule observing system) would experience the dream in
true "proper time: and would essentially go to heaven for
three years.
Now you're a logically astute person, if he can operate a
computer on the Internet is certainly intelligent enough to
understand that simple idea.
So clearly, that is a simple evidence-based logically
coherent, even PLAUSIBLE theory of LIFE AFTER DEATH,
QED......... George Hammond copyright 2017

Copyright? You think this is something valuable? What? your heirs
will profit some day in the far future when some part of what you are
spouting can be proven? Good luck with that.
What you have cobbled together is An un credible theory, based on an
assumption, supported by a supposition, based on faith, on the beliefs
of superstitious goat herders.
AND that's all you have; it doesn't come close to "Plausibility."
There's some rich irony that you are using the computer and things
that required actual science long after the goat herders that came up
with the crackpot theory of god turned to dust.
I don't for one second believe that you were an atheist that found god
in physics. The benefit of the doubt would have you (being beyond the
actuarial "best if used by date") trying to rekindle a belief or
assuage feelings of guilt before you check out.
I get that, I'm there too, but I'm not going to lie to myself because
I don't have the courage to face facts. I had a good life, a
smashingly good life compared to what I see around me and that alone
is all I have: memories, and enough vitality/vigor to appreciate the
sweet dregs.

Having been dead (don’t worry, I got better) I find Hammond’s silliness,
well, rather silly.
Do NOT, under any circumstances, get between 440v 3 phase electricity and
ground. Not even if your father, who happens to be a well-trained electron in
addition to being a well-trained fireman who taught life-saving classes, is
there.
It was a near thing. It was also very painful, once I was back. Being dead
wasn’t anything, being alive with burns and cracked ribs was very much so.

Wow.......

Do NOT try this at home.

Glad you're still here.

Atlatl

hleopold

2017-10-13 06:19:58 UTC

Post by default
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 02:20:29 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 16:21:28 -0400, default

Post by default
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:31:19 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
[George Hammonmd wrote]
SNIP CLASSICAL THEORY OF ORGAN PIPES AND MICROWAVE
WAVEGUIDES... IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION

No. You are the one claiming these biological constructions are akin
to waveguides.

[George Hammond]
Look, a fiber optic cable is a WAVEGUIDE. A "FIOS"
cable is a waveguide for light.
The average FIOS cable is 50 microns in diameter. The
average microtubule is 15 nanometers in diameter. A FIOS
cable is 3000 times LARGER than a microtubule!
When you have an optical waveguide that is only 15 nm in
diameter and filled with water, the water becomes quasi
crystaline structured... and the wavelength of the light is
near the diameter of the microtubule. This produces a WELL
KNOWN phenomenon called "super radiance", also known as
"self induced transparency" in the water, so that the light
travels "losslessly" without any significant attenuation
whatsoever.
Hence, the microtubule system which is inside every cell
of the body, including the brain, and interconnected
throughout the entire body by "gap junctions" is one,
gigantic, optically connected, solid-state, FIOS SYSTEM
operating at the speed of light... in the near ultraviolet
range.
Furthermore. The walls of the microtubules are made up of
protein molecules called tubulin, which have two alternative
configurations and can switch back and forth between these
configurations. They are "binary switches" and scientists
have discovered (Craddock et al) that human memory is stored
in the pattern of these switches in the walls. So that the
UV light flowing through these microtubules is an "optical
readout system" for retrieving our memories.
Obviously under normal circumstances, this readout system
would only proceed at "neuronal speed" (100 Hz,..... but
quite obviously, if you wanted to, it could precede and
follow microtubule speed (10^15 Hz, UV frequency).
So all I'm saying, is that the existence of this
phenomenal capacity, would make something like "LIFE AFTER
DEATH" scientifically possible!
what it would do is, during our life in its leisure
moments, using existing memory, make up a three year along
"AFTERLIFE DREAM", and keep it stored away in case of
emergency...... "sudden-death" being said emergency. If and
when such a thing happened, the microtubule FIOS system
would simply read out the prerecorded, precalculated,
pre-edited ROM ( read-only memory) AFTERLIFE DREAM, which
for a three-year afterlife. Would only take about 1/10 of a
millisecond.... fast enough to eat a lightning bolt, or even
a bullet.
Because the microtubule consciousness, would be operating
at the same speed as the "afterlife readout", "we" ( the
microtubule observing system) would experience the dream in
true "proper time: and would essentially go to heaven for
three years.
Now you're a logically astute person, if he can operate a
computer on the Internet is certainly intelligent enough to
understand that simple idea.
So clearly, that is a simple evidence-based logically
coherent, even PLAUSIBLE theory of LIFE AFTER DEATH,
QED......... George Hammond copyright 2017

Copyright? You think this is something valuable? What? your heirs
will profit some day in the far future when some part of what you are
spouting can be proven? Good luck with that.
What you have cobbled together is An un credible theory, based on an
assumption, supported by a supposition, based on faith, on the beliefs
of superstitious goat herders.
AND that's all you have; it doesn't come close to "Plausibility."
There's some rich irony that you are using the computer and things
that required actual science long after the goat herders that came up
with the crackpot theory of god turned to dust.
I don't for one second believe that you were an atheist that found god
in physics. The benefit of the doubt would have you (being beyond the
actuarial "best if used by date") trying to rekindle a belief or
assuage feelings of guilt before you check out.
I get that, I'm there too, but I'm not going to lie to myself because
I don't have the courage to face facts. I had a good life, a
smashingly good life compared to what I see around me and that alone
is all I have: memories, and enough vitality/vigor to appreciate the
sweet dregs.

Having been dead (don’t worry, I got better) I find Hammond’s silliness,
well, rather silly.
Do NOT, under any circumstances, get between 440v 3 phase electricity and
ground. Not even if your father, who happens to be a well-trained electron in
addition to being a well-trained fireman who taught life-saving classes, is
there.
It was a near thing. It was also very painful, once I was back. Being dead
wasn’t anything, being alive with burns and cracked ribs was very much so.

Wow.......
Do NOT try this at home.
Glad you're still here.
Atlatl

I am glad I am still here, believe me.

I sometimes really hate spell checkers, above it changed electrical to
electron where I was speaking of my dad. I promise you, my dad was not an
electron. Really. Not even a “well trained electron."

--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness (remove gene to email)

“Fillin' in the biblical cracks with the spackle of speculation, I
see.“-GlennGlenn

Atlatl Axolotl

2017-10-13 15:09:49 UTC

Post by default
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 02:20:29 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 16:21:28 -0400, default

Post by default
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:31:19 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
[George Hammonmd wrote]
SNIP CLASSICAL THEORY OF ORGAN PIPES AND MICROWAVE
WAVEGUIDES... IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION

No. You are the one claiming these biological constructions are akin
to waveguides.

[George Hammond]
Look, a fiber optic cable is a WAVEGUIDE. A "FIOS"
cable is a waveguide for light.
The average FIOS cable is 50 microns in diameter. The
average microtubule is 15 nanometers in diameter. A FIOS
cable is 3000 times LARGER than a microtubule!
When you have an optical waveguide that is only 15 nm in
diameter and filled with water, the water becomes quasi
crystaline structured... and the wavelength of the light is
near the diameter of the microtubule. This produces a WELL
KNOWN phenomenon called "super radiance", also known as
"self induced transparency" in the water, so that the light
travels "losslessly" without any significant attenuation
whatsoever.
Hence, the microtubule system which is inside every cell
of the body, including the brain, and interconnected
throughout the entire body by "gap junctions" is one,
gigantic, optically connected, solid-state, FIOS SYSTEM
operating at the speed of light... in the near ultraviolet
range.
Furthermore. The walls of the microtubules are made up of
protein molecules called tubulin, which have two alternative
configurations and can switch back and forth between these
configurations. They are "binary switches" and scientists
have discovered (Craddock et al) that human memory is stored
in the pattern of these switches in the walls. So that the
UV light flowing through these microtubules is an "optical
readout system" for retrieving our memories.
Obviously under normal circumstances, this readout system
would only proceed at "neuronal speed" (100 Hz,..... but
quite obviously, if you wanted to, it could precede and
follow microtubule speed (10^15 Hz, UV frequency).
So all I'm saying, is that the existence of this
phenomenal capacity, would make something like "LIFE AFTER
DEATH" scientifically possible!
what it would do is, during our life in its leisure
moments, using existing memory, make up a three year along
"AFTERLIFE DREAM", and keep it stored away in case of
emergency...... "sudden-death" being said emergency. If and
when such a thing happened, the microtubule FIOS system
would simply read out the prerecorded, precalculated,
pre-edited ROM ( read-only memory) AFTERLIFE DREAM, which
for a three-year afterlife. Would only take about 1/10 of a
millisecond.... fast enough to eat a lightning bolt, or even
a bullet.
Because the microtubule consciousness, would be operating
at the same speed as the "afterlife readout", "we" ( the
microtubule observing system) would experience the dream in
true "proper time: and would essentially go to heaven for
three years.
Now you're a logically astute person, if he can operate a
computer on the Internet is certainly intelligent enough to
understand that simple idea.
So clearly, that is a simple evidence-based logically
coherent, even PLAUSIBLE theory of LIFE AFTER DEATH,
QED......... George Hammond copyright 2017

Copyright? You think this is something valuable? What? your heirs
will profit some day in the far future when some part of what you are
spouting can be proven? Good luck with that.
What you have cobbled together is An un credible theory, based on an
assumption, supported by a supposition, based on faith, on the beliefs
of superstitious goat herders.
AND that's all you have; it doesn't come close to "Plausibility."
There's some rich irony that you are using the computer and things
that required actual science long after the goat herders that came up
with the crackpot theory of god turned to dust.
I don't for one second believe that you were an atheist that found god
in physics. The benefit of the doubt would have you (being beyond the
actuarial "best if used by date") trying to rekindle a belief or
assuage feelings of guilt before you check out.
I get that, I'm there too, but I'm not going to lie to myself because
I don't have the courage to face facts. I had a good life, a
smashingly good life compared to what I see around me and that alone
is all I have: memories, and enough vitality/vigor to appreciate the
sweet dregs.

Having been dead (don’t worry, I got better) I find Hammond’s silliness,
well, rather silly.
Do NOT, under any circumstances, get between 440v 3 phase electricity and
ground. Not even if your father, who happens to be a well-trained electron in
addition to being a well-trained fireman who taught life-saving classes, is
there.
It was a near thing. It was also very painful, once I was back. Being dead
wasn’t anything, being alive with burns and cracked ribs was very much so.

Wow.......
Do NOT try this at home.
Glad you're still here.
Atlatl

I am glad I am still here, believe me.

I once put my hands across either plus and minus 350 V or 350 V and ground
(I didn't stop at the time to check which it was). This was the source for
a ramping voltage gradient in a mass spectrometer, so I suspect there was
very little actual oomph behind it. Still, at the time I was holding a one-of-its-kind
screw needed to reassemble the mass spec. We found the screw some months
later, on the other side of the room.

.> I sometimes really hate spell checkers, above it changed electrical to
.> electron where I was speaking of my dad. I promise you, my dad was not an
.> electron. Really. Not even a “well trained electron."

Spell checkers are the source of much fine humor.

aa

Post by hleopold
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness (remove gene to email)
“Fillin' in the biblical cracks with the spackle of speculation, I
see.“-GlennGlenn

hleopold

2017-10-13 20:43:40 UTC

Post by hleopold
I am glad I am still here, believe me.

Sounds pretty reasonable, under the circumstances.

.> I sometimes really hate spell checkers, above it changed electrical to
.> electron where I was speaking of my dad. I promise you, my dad was not an
.> electron. Really. Not even a “well trained electron."
Spell checkers are the source of much fine humor.

True, but why is mine picking on me so much the last couple of days?

--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness (remove gene to email)

“Look, it's very simple. There are a bunch of people out there that believe
in one or more gods. We're not them.“ - Mark Bilbo

Alex W.

2017-10-13 05:03:46 UTC

Post by default
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 02:20:29 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 16:21:28 -0400, default

Post by default
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:31:19 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
[George Hammonmd wrote]
SNIP CLASSICAL THEORY OF ORGAN PIPES AND MICROWAVE
WAVEGUIDES... IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION

No. You are the one claiming these biological constructions are akin
to waveguides.

[George Hammond]
Look, a fiber optic cable is a WAVEGUIDE. A "FIOS"
cable is a waveguide for light.
The average FIOS cable is 50 microns in diameter. The
average microtubule is 15 nanometers in diameter. A FIOS
cable is 3000 times LARGER than a microtubule!
When you have an optical waveguide that is only 15 nm in
diameter and filled with water, the water becomes quasi
crystaline structured... and the wavelength of the light is
near the diameter of the microtubule. This produces a WELL
KNOWN phenomenon called "super radiance", also known as
"self induced transparency" in the water, so that the light
travels "losslessly" without any significant attenuation
whatsoever.
Hence, the microtubule system which is inside every cell
of the body, including the brain, and interconnected
throughout the entire body by "gap junctions" is one,
gigantic, optically connected, solid-state, FIOS SYSTEM
operating at the speed of light... in the near ultraviolet
range.
Furthermore. The walls of the microtubules are made up of
protein molecules called tubulin, which have two alternative
configurations and can switch back and forth between these
configurations. They are "binary switches" and scientists
have discovered (Craddock et al) that human memory is stored
in the pattern of these switches in the walls. So that the
UV light flowing through these microtubules is an "optical
readout system" for retrieving our memories.
Obviously under normal circumstances, this readout system
would only proceed at "neuronal speed" (100 Hz,..... but
quite obviously, if you wanted to, it could precede and
follow microtubule speed (10^15 Hz, UV frequency).
So all I'm saying, is that the existence of this
phenomenal capacity, would make something like "LIFE AFTER
DEATH" scientifically possible!
what it would do is, during our life in its leisure
moments, using existing memory, make up a three year along
"AFTERLIFE DREAM", and keep it stored away in case of
emergency...... "sudden-death" being said emergency. If and
when such a thing happened, the microtubule FIOS system
would simply read out the prerecorded, precalculated,
pre-edited ROM ( read-only memory) AFTERLIFE DREAM, which
for a three-year afterlife. Would only take about 1/10 of a
millisecond.... fast enough to eat a lightning bolt, or even
a bullet.
Because the microtubule consciousness, would be operating
at the same speed as the "afterlife readout", "we" ( the
microtubule observing system) would experience the dream in
true "proper time: and would essentially go to heaven for
three years.
Now you're a logically astute person, if he can operate a
computer on the Internet is certainly intelligent enough to
understand that simple idea.
So clearly, that is a simple evidence-based logically
coherent, even PLAUSIBLE theory of LIFE AFTER DEATH,
QED......... George Hammond copyright 2017

Copyright? You think this is something valuable? What? your heirs
will profit some day in the far future when some part of what you are
spouting can be proven? Good luck with that.
What you have cobbled together is An un credible theory, based on an
assumption, supported by a supposition, based on faith, on the beliefs
of superstitious goat herders.
AND that's all you have; it doesn't come close to "Plausibility."
There's some rich irony that you are using the computer and things
that required actual science long after the goat herders that came up
with the crackpot theory of god turned to dust.
I don't for one second believe that you were an atheist that found god
in physics. The benefit of the doubt would have you (being beyond the
actuarial "best if used by date") trying to rekindle a belief or
assuage feelings of guilt before you check out.
I get that, I'm there too, but I'm not going to lie to myself because
I don't have the courage to face facts. I had a good life, a
smashingly good life compared to what I see around me and that alone
is all I have: memories, and enough vitality/vigor to appreciate the
sweet dregs.

Having been dead (don’t worry, I got better) I find Hammond’s silliness,
well, rather silly.
Do NOT, under any circumstances, get between 440v 3 phase electricity and
ground. Not even if your father, who happens to be a well-trained electron in
addition to being a well-trained fireman who taught life-saving classes, is
there.
It was a near thing. It was also very painful, once I was back. Being dead
wasn’t anything, being alive with burns and cracked ribs was very much so.

In this context, a small illustration:

and a shout-out in memory of Roy Sullivan, the forest warden who got hit
by lightning seven times and lived to tell the tale...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Sullivan

hleopold

2017-10-13 06:25:56 UTC

Post by default
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 02:20:29 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 16:21:28 -0400, default

Post by default
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:31:19 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
[George Hammonmd wrote]
SNIP CLASSICAL THEORY OF ORGAN PIPES AND MICROWAVE
WAVEGUIDES... IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION

No. You are the one claiming these biological constructions are akin
to waveguides.

[George Hammond]
Look, a fiber optic cable is a WAVEGUIDE. A "FIOS"
cable is a waveguide for light.
The average FIOS cable is 50 microns in diameter. The
average microtubule is 15 nanometers in diameter. A FIOS
cable is 3000 times LARGER than a microtubule!
When you have an optical waveguide that is only 15 nm in
diameter and filled with water, the water becomes quasi
crystaline structured... and the wavelength of the light is
near the diameter of the microtubule. This produces a WELL
KNOWN phenomenon called "super radiance", also known as
"self induced transparency" in the water, so that the light
travels "losslessly" without any significant attenuation
whatsoever.
Hence, the microtubule system which is inside every cell
of the body, including the brain, and interconnected
throughout the entire body by "gap junctions" is one,
gigantic, optically connected, solid-state, FIOS SYSTEM
operating at the speed of light... in the near ultraviolet
range.
Furthermore. The walls of the microtubules are made up of
protein molecules called tubulin, which have two alternative
configurations and can switch back and forth between these
configurations. They are "binary switches" and scientists
have discovered (Craddock et al) that human memory is stored
in the pattern of these switches in the walls. So that the
UV light flowing through these microtubules is an "optical
readout system" for retrieving our memories.
Obviously under normal circumstances, this readout system
would only proceed at "neuronal speed" (100 Hz,..... but
quite obviously, if you wanted to, it could precede and
follow microtubule speed (10^15 Hz, UV frequency).
So all I'm saying, is that the existence of this
phenomenal capacity, would make something like "LIFE AFTER
DEATH" scientifically possible!
what it would do is, during our life in its leisure
moments, using existing memory, make up a three year along
"AFTERLIFE DREAM", and keep it stored away in case of
emergency...... "sudden-death" being said emergency. If and
when such a thing happened, the microtubule FIOS system
would simply read out the prerecorded, precalculated,
pre-edited ROM ( read-only memory) AFTERLIFE DREAM, which
for a three-year afterlife. Would only take about 1/10 of a
millisecond.... fast enough to eat a lightning bolt, or even
a bullet.
Because the microtubule consciousness, would be operating
at the same speed as the "afterlife readout", "we" ( the
microtubule observing system) would experience the dream in
true "proper time: and would essentially go to heaven for
three years.
Now you're a logically astute person, if he can operate a
computer on the Internet is certainly intelligent enough to
understand that simple idea.
So clearly, that is a simple evidence-based logically
coherent, even PLAUSIBLE theory of LIFE AFTER DEATH,
QED......... George Hammond copyright 2017

Copyright? You think this is something valuable? What? your heirs
will profit some day in the far future when some part of what you are
spouting can be proven? Good luck with that.
What you have cobbled together is An un credible theory, based on an
assumption, supported by a supposition, based on faith, on the beliefs
of superstitious goat herders.
AND that's all you have; it doesn't come close to "Plausibility."
There's some rich irony that you are using the computer and things
that required actual science long after the goat herders that came up
with the crackpot theory of god turned to dust.
I don't for one second believe that you were an atheist that found god
in physics. The benefit of the doubt would have you (being beyond the
actuarial "best if used by date") trying to rekindle a belief or
assuage feelings of guilt before you check out.
I get that, I'm there too, but I'm not going to lie to myself because
I don't have the courage to face facts. I had a good life, a
smashingly good life compared to what I see around me and that alone
is all I have: memories, and enough vitality/vigor to appreciate the
sweet dregs.

Having been dead (don’t worry, I got better) I find Hammond’s silliness,
well, rather silly.
Do NOT, under any circumstances, get between 440v 3 phase electricity and
ground. Not even if your father, who happens to be a well-trained electron in
addition to being a well-trained fireman who taught life-saving classes, is
there.
It was a near thing. It was also very painful, once I was back. Being dead
wasn’t anything, being alive with burns and cracked ribs was very much so.

http://youtu.be/2T68vR07Q4w

Yeah, it was just like that, except that there was a carpenter involved, a
really stupid one that thought he really needed power and so he did a wiring
job, and flipped the breaker ON. And turned me OFF. I really wish I had kept
the hatchet my dad used to cut the line, big hole in the cutting edge after
he did so.

Poor woodpecker, he/she never saw it coming.

Post by Alex W.
and a shout-out in memory of Roy Sullivan, the forest warden who got hit
by lightning seven times and lived to tell the tale...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Sullivan

I have heard of him. Wasn’t he on Johnny Carson at least once?
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness (remove gene to email)

“The universe is bigger than me. It doesn't care about me. That's fine -
because I care about me. I'd like to continue to do the things I do, and to
do other things as well. So these things will eventually end. It still
matters to me that they happen. The realization that life belongs to me, and
not to some god or some minister, and that I could decide what to make of it
- that was a truly liberating moment for me.“-Eyelessgame

default

2017-10-13 15:07:14 UTC

Post by default
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 02:20:29 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 16:21:28 -0400, default

Post by default
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:31:19 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
[George Hammonmd wrote]
SNIP CLASSICAL THEORY OF ORGAN PIPES AND MICROWAVE
WAVEGUIDES... IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION

No. You are the one claiming these biological constructions are akin
to waveguides.

[George Hammond]
Look, a fiber optic cable is a WAVEGUIDE. A "FIOS"
cable is a waveguide for light.
The average FIOS cable is 50 microns in diameter. The
average microtubule is 15 nanometers in diameter. A FIOS
cable is 3000 times LARGER than a microtubule!
When you have an optical waveguide that is only 15 nm in
diameter and filled with water, the water becomes quasi
crystaline structured... and the wavelength of the light is
near the diameter of the microtubule. This produces a WELL
KNOWN phenomenon called "super radiance", also known as
"self induced transparency" in the water, so that the light
travels "losslessly" without any significant attenuation
whatsoever.
Hence, the microtubule system which is inside every cell
of the body, including the brain, and interconnected
throughout the entire body by "gap junctions" is one,
gigantic, optically connected, solid-state, FIOS SYSTEM
operating at the speed of light... in the near ultraviolet
range.
Furthermore. The walls of the microtubules are made up of
protein molecules called tubulin, which have two alternative
configurations and can switch back and forth between these
configurations. They are "binary switches" and scientists
have discovered (Craddock et al) that human memory is stored
in the pattern of these switches in the walls. So that the
UV light flowing through these microtubules is an "optical
readout system" for retrieving our memories.
Obviously under normal circumstances, this readout system
would only proceed at "neuronal speed" (100 Hz,..... but
quite obviously, if you wanted to, it could precede and
follow microtubule speed (10^15 Hz, UV frequency).
So all I'm saying, is that the existence of this
phenomenal capacity, would make something like "LIFE AFTER
DEATH" scientifically possible!
what it would do is, during our life in its leisure
moments, using existing memory, make up a three year along
"AFTERLIFE DREAM", and keep it stored away in case of
emergency...... "sudden-death" being said emergency. If and
when such a thing happened, the microtubule FIOS system
would simply read out the prerecorded, precalculated,
pre-edited ROM ( read-only memory) AFTERLIFE DREAM, which
for a three-year afterlife. Would only take about 1/10 of a
millisecond.... fast enough to eat a lightning bolt, or even
a bullet.
Because the microtubule consciousness, would be operating
at the same speed as the "afterlife readout", "we" ( the
microtubule observing system) would experience the dream in
true "proper time: and would essentially go to heaven for
three years.
Now you're a logically astute person, if he can operate a
computer on the Internet is certainly intelligent enough to
understand that simple idea.
So clearly, that is a simple evidence-based logically
coherent, even PLAUSIBLE theory of LIFE AFTER DEATH,
QED......... George Hammond copyright 2017

Copyright? You think this is something valuable? What? your heirs
will profit some day in the far future when some part of what you are
spouting can be proven? Good luck with that.
What you have cobbled together is An un credible theory, based on an
assumption, supported by a supposition, based on faith, on the beliefs
of superstitious goat herders.
AND that's all you have; it doesn't come close to "Plausibility."
There's some rich irony that you are using the computer and things
that required actual science long after the goat herders that came up
with the crackpot theory of god turned to dust.
I don't for one second believe that you were an atheist that found god
in physics. The benefit of the doubt would have you (being beyond the
actuarial "best if used by date") trying to rekindle a belief or
assuage feelings of guilt before you check out.
I get that, I'm there too, but I'm not going to lie to myself because
I don't have the courage to face facts. I had a good life, a
smashingly good life compared to what I see around me and that alone
is all I have: memories, and enough vitality/vigor to appreciate the
sweet dregs.

Having been dead (dont worry, I got better) I find Hammonds silliness,
well, rather silly.
Do NOT, under any circumstances, get between 440v 3 phase electricity and
ground. Not even if your father, who happens to be a well-trained electron in
addition to being a well-trained fireman who taught life-saving classes, is
there.
It was a near thing. It was also very painful, once I was back. Being dead
wasnt anything, being alive with burns and cracked ribs was very much so.

Sounds ghastly. I'll bet you are super-safe around electrical
circuits now.

I saw something like that in power line construction. I heard what
sounded like an explosion and caught a flash of light out of the
corner of my eye. The lineman was slumped over with his safety
harness and looked like a goner for sure. (still smoking) Two other
linemen raced up the pole without bothering with belts until they were
at his level and lowered him with a line and block (pulley) to the
ground. He lost his arm but lived. (says he didn't feel a thing, he
never went back to work, but I guess a one-arm lineman...)

Another time I was working in a pharmaceutical plant, we heard a bang
and the lights went out for a few milliseconds. Some guy in the movie
studio across the highway died on a HT line we later learned.

I got across the secondary of a 750 volt transformer (briefly) when I
was a kid. I've been careful ever since.

hleopold

2017-10-13 21:13:05 UTC

Post by default
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 02:20:29 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 16:21:28 -0400, default

Post by default
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:31:19 -0400, George Hammond

Post by George Hammond
[George Hammonmd wrote]
SNIP CLASSICAL THEORY OF ORGAN PIPES AND MICROWAVE
WAVEGUIDES... IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION

No. You are the one claiming these biological constructions are akin
to waveguides.

[George Hammond]
Look, a fiber optic cable is a WAVEGUIDE. A "FIOS"
cable is a waveguide for light.
The average FIOS cable is 50 microns in diameter. The
average microtubule is 15 nanometers in diameter. A FIOS
cable is 3000 times LARGER than a microtubule!
When you have an optical waveguide that is only 15 nm in
diameter and filled with water, the water becomes quasi
crystaline structured... and the wavelength of the light is
near the diameter of the microtubule. This produces a WELL
KNOWN phenomenon called "super radiance", also known as
"self induced transparency" in the water, so that the light
travels "losslessly" without any significant attenuation
whatsoever.
Hence, the microtubule system which is inside every cell
of the body, including the brain, and interconnected
throughout the entire body by "gap junctions" is one,
gigantic, optically connected, solid-state, FIOS SYSTEM
operating at the speed of light... in the near ultraviolet
range.
Furthermore. The walls of the microtubules are made up of
protein molecules called tubulin, which have two alternative
configurations and can switch back and forth between these
configurations. They are "binary switches" and scientists
have discovered (Craddock et al) that human memory is stored
in the pattern of these switches in the walls. So that the
UV light flowing through these microtubules is an "optical
readout system" for retrieving our memories.
Obviously under normal circumstances, this readout system
would only proceed at "neuronal speed" (100 Hz,..... but
quite obviously, if you wanted to, it could precede and
follow microtubule speed (10^15 Hz, UV frequency).
So all I'm saying, is that the existence of this
phenomenal capacity, would make something like "LIFE AFTER
DEATH" scientifically possible!
what it would do is, during our life in its leisure
moments, using existing memory, make up a three year along
"AFTERLIFE DREAM", and keep it stored away in case of
emergency...... "sudden-death" being said emergency. If and
when such a thing happened, the microtubule FIOS system
would simply read out the prerecorded, precalculated,
pre-edited ROM ( read-only memory) AFTERLIFE DREAM, which
for a three-year afterlife. Would only take about 1/10 of a
millisecond.... fast enough to eat a lightning bolt, or even
a bullet.
Because the microtubule consciousness, would be operating
at the same speed as the "afterlife readout", "we" ( the
microtubule observing system) would experience the dream in
true "proper time: and would essentially go to heaven for
three years.
Now you're a logically astute person, if he can operate a
computer on the Internet is certainly intelligent enough to
understand that simple idea.
So clearly, that is a simple evidence-based logically
coherent, even PLAUSIBLE theory of LIFE AFTER DEATH,
QED......... George Hammond copyright 2017

Copyright? You think this is something valuable? What? your heirs
will profit some day in the far future when some part of what you are
spouting can be proven? Good luck with that.
What you have cobbled together is An un credible theory, based on an
assumption, supported by a supposition, based on faith, on the beliefs
of superstitious goat herders.
AND that's all you have; it doesn't come close to "Plausibility."
There's some rich irony that you are using the computer and things
that required actual science long after the goat herders that came up
with the crackpot theory of god turned to dust.
I don't for one second believe that you were an atheist that found god
in physics. The benefit of the doubt would have you (being beyond the
actuarial "best if used by date") trying to rekindle a belief or
assuage feelings of guilt before you check out.
I get that, I'm there too, but I'm not going to lie to myself because
I don't have the courage to face facts. I had a good life, a
smashingly good life compared to what I see around me and that alone
is all I have: memories, and enough vitality/vigor to appreciate the
sweet dregs.

Having been dead (don’t worry, I got better) I find Hammond’s silliness,
well, rather silly.
Do NOT, under any circumstances, get between 440v 3 phase electricity and
ground. Not even if your father, who happens to be a well-trained electron in
addition to being a well-trained fireman who taught life-saving classes, is
there.
It was a near thing. It was also very painful, once I was back. Being dead
wasn’t anything, being alive with burns and cracked ribs was very much so.

Sounds ghastly. I'll bet you are super-safe around electrical
circuits now.

My dad, before he started his own business, worked for the city electrical
power plant, seeing him have to go out on stormy nights, like one Christmas
night, lightening going off like flashbulbs. Well, I decided early on that I
really didn’t want to ever do that.

Now I have climbed a 400 foot UHF TV tower, once, to install an antenna. That
was not too bad, and I probably could have done it again with no problem. But
I got the antenna attached and connected properly so no need.

I have done similar since, working on IFF antennas on one of the radar mounts
on the Oriskany, at sea. Didn’t bother me at all to be up there. I am
cautious about heights, but not too bother by it.

I saw something like that in power line construction. I heard what
sounded like an explosion and caught a flash of light out of the
corner of my eye. The lineman was slumped over with his safety
harness and looked like a goner for sure. (still smoking) Two other
linemen raced up the pole without bothering with belts until they were
at his level and lowered him with a line and block (pulley) to the
ground. He lost his arm but lived. (says he didn't feel a thing, he
never went back to work, but I guess a one-arm lineman...)

Yep, that is why my dad got out of power line work as quickly as he could by
starting his own business. High voltage power lines scared him, and
rightfully so as you point out, our city power plant had lost several workers
over the years and it was easy even then to find out just how dangerous it
was.

I have high respect for the people who can do it daily, and have no problem
saying that I am not one of them.

Another time I was working in a pharmaceutical plant, we heard a bang
and the lights went out for a few milliseconds. Some guy in the movie
studio across the highway died on a HT line we later learned.

Being a fuse for a high tension line is not a good part for a human to play.
In the Navy they certainly pushed safety around HT, and then they doubled
down on 110v ac. They pointed out that most deaths for electricity on board
ships was from 110v, by far. Yes, electricity and confined steel boxes, great
way to get killed.

I got across the secondary of a 750 volt transformer (briefly) when I
was a kid. I've been careful ever since.

I got a lot from my dad on electrical safety as a kid, and more so after I
started to work with him. Wired my first home by myself when I was just short
of 16. Sweated a lot while the inspector did his thing. Passed easily, but
continued to sweat each that followed.

Then I ended up dead for a few minutes through no action of mine, as
mentioned earlier. It did make me far more aware about OTHER PEOPLE doing
stupid things around me that might make me, or others, dead as well.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness (remove gene to email)

"Warning !
Exposure to this newsgroup could turn a self-righteous, god fearing
theist into a raging, blaspheming heretic. Tread at your own risk !"-John
Locke

Don Martin

2017-10-14 01:08:00 UTC

Post by hleopold
Yep, that is why my dad got out of power line work as quickly as he could by
starting his own business. High voltage power lines scared him, and
rightfully so as you point out, our city power plant had lost several workers
over the years and it was easy even then to find out just how dangerous it
was.

I was an open-wire telephone lineman in the Army, and high voltage
scared the shit out of me, too. In Alaska, towns often have power
lines on telephone poles, about 10 feet up from our crossarms. One
day, a power lineman was seen limp in his belt just outside our
frameroom in Fairbanks. One of our crew, York, was sent out to take
him down but told there was no need to hurry. There did not seem to
be--the guy's foot had touched one of our (grounded) lead cable boxes,
and melted a 4 x 4" hole in it. York got around him to rig a pulley
on the power cross brace to lower him on a rope; as he was getting
there, the guy whispered, "I thought you'd never get here."

He died in hospital a couple of days later.

--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
Je pense, donc je suis Charlie.

hleopold

2017-10-14 06:16:13 UTC

Post by Don Martin

Yeah, that was pretty common back then, and still happens often enough that I
still won’t do that sort of work.

--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness (remove gene to email)

“He's so dumb he moves his lips when someone ELSE is reading.“-Doc
Smartass

Don Martin

2017-10-14 12:16:31 UTC

Post by Don Martin

Yeah, that was pretty common back then, and still happens often enough that I
still wont do that sort of work.

Of course, these days linemen don't climb any more--they fly up in the
buckets of cherry pickers. Buncha wimps, but I suppose that it does
save wear and tear on the poles.

--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
Je pense, donc je suis Charlie.

hypatiab7

2017-10-11 10:46:40 UTC

Post by George Hammond
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 16:57:52 -0400, default

Post by George Hammond
[Defaault wrote]
Perhaps you could suggest a source of the paper that doesn't require
me signing up to get it? I practice safe computing...

You're forgetting something very important, George. This is an atheist
newsgroup. We don't believe in your god, therefore we don't believe in
your heaven. If any kind of energy is zapped out of a dead body, how do
you prove where it goes?

George Hammond

2017-10-11 11:04:01 UTC

On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 03:46:40 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7

Post by George Hammond
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 16:57:52 -0400, default

Post by George Hammond
[Defaault wrote]
Perhaps you could suggest a source of the paper that doesn't require
me signing up to get it? I practice safe computing...

[George Hammond wrote]
HOW MICROTUBULES CAUSE LIFE AFTER DEATH: iN 650 WORDS
https://goo.gl/1yhtYC (PDF file)
You won't have to join anything or give any info.
1. tHERE ARE NO "EMANATIONS" FROM ANY "CORPSES" INVOLVED
2. THERE ARE NO EM WAVES TRAVELING INTO OUTER SPACE
3 THE MANNER , PLACE, TIME OR SPEED OF DEATH IS IRRELEVANT
It's only 650 words, so say something eruditE about this...
you'll be the first one to say anything who's actually read
it.
gEORGE (reversed capitolization intentional)

[George Hammond]
Hey dude.... I was an atheist physicist until I
accidentally discovered the world's first scientific proof
of God.

If you you had read the godamned PDF paper cited above you'd
realize it doesn't say anything about any energy being
"zapped out of the body".
The body contains a solid-state optically connected FIOS
system totally contained within the body, mainly in the
brain.. and it lights up in a flash when you die and
produces an Afterlife hallucinatory death dream called "Life
AFter Death"..... just like St. Paul says it does in
I-Corinthians Ch. 15, vSS. 51-52

Next question....

George

Christopher A. Lee

2017-10-11 12:14:45 UTC

On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 03:46:40 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7

Post by George Hammond
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 16:57:52 -0400, default

Post by George Hammond
[Defaault wrote]
Perhaps you could suggest a source of the paper that doesn't require
me signing up to get it? I practice safe computing...

He's a raving loonie who comes back here every so often, posting
unsolicited insanity.

Malcolm McMahon

2017-10-11 09:01:28 UTC

Post by George Hammond
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 07:32:25 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon

Post by default
On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 03:25:07 -0400, George Hammond

That's not "by definition" it's by assumption. And, in any case, flatline isn't always the end. Death is a process, not an event.

Post by George Hammond
For Pete's sake, even the nuclear ICBM systems of the
world are protected against accidental firing... what makes
you think 5 billion years of Evolution couldn't make a
failsafe system for Life After Death?

Why would evolution care? Evolution is not on our side. There's no evolutionary pressure for life-after-death.

Every system in our body is prone to error, even the ones that evolution has cause to concern itself with. Evolution compromises.

This is nothing more than unevidenced wishful thinking.

George Hammond

2017-10-11 10:45:14 UTC

On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 02:01:28 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon

Post by Malcolm McMahon
This is nothing more than unevidenced wishful thinking.

[George fHammond]

You don't seem to have any scientific knowlege.... here's my
CV..... lets see yours big shot !

CURRICULUM VITAE

GEORGE HAMMOND

B.S. Physics 1964, Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Worcester MA, USA
M.S. Physics 1967, Northeastern University,
Boston MA, USA
Ph.D. Candidate and Teaching Fellow in Physics, 1967-68
Northeastern Univ. Boston MA
Note: Studied Relativity under Prof. Richard Arnowitt
at N.U. and who is presently Distinguished
Professor of Physics at TAMU

Christopher A. Lee

2017-10-11 12:15:44 UTC

On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 02:01:28 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon

Post by George Hammond
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 07:32:25 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon

Post by default
On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 03:25:07 -0400, George Hammond

That's not "by definition" it's by assumption. And, in any case, flatline isn't always the end. Death is a process, not an event.

Why would evolution care? Evolution is not on our side. There's no evolutionary pressure for life-after-death.
Every system in our body is prone to error, even the ones that evolution has cause to concern itself with. Evolution compromises.
This is nothing more than unevidenced wishful thinking.

Yes it is - it's insanity, pure and simple.

default

2017-10-07 13:43:17 UTC

On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 07:32:25 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon

Post by default
On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 03:25:07 -0400, George Hammond

Talk about pie in the sky / grasping at straws, etc..
http://alt.sci.physics.narkive.com/e0PyWHoB/evidence-microtubules-cause-life-after-death
Now all you have to do is prove that these microtubules are indeed
wave guides, they do have microwave (nanowave?) signals present, the
signals are modulated with intelligence, there is a heaven where these
signals are beamed, etc..
I'm choosing to leave out "Beatific Vision," a god's exalted and
beaming countenance, "eternal life is eternal even if it only lasts
for 17 minutes, and some of the other hokum sprinkled in your
dissertation.

The only output of an individual neuron is a relatively low bandwidth pulse-train. So, if each neuron contains amazing computational capacity, how could that processing get out into the world?
And, more fundamentally, if there's a switch somewhere that fires and opens up vast reaches of subjective time in the instant of dying, why wouldn't it go off prematurely from time to time?
Why don't we all experience an eternal paradise at random intervals?

We do at specific intervals and call it an orgasm....

Cloud Hobbit

2017-10-10 03:20:26 UTC

Perhaps Mr. Hammond could spare a few moments to explain to the few undergrads that plague this NG why evolution is a fact and not a fantasy.

George Hammond

2017-10-10 07:58:50 UTC

On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 20:20:26 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
<***@gmail.com> wrote:

?[Cloud Hobbit wrote]

Post by Cloud Hobbit
Perhaps Mr. Hammond could spare a few moments to explain to the few
undergrads that plague this NG why evolution is a fact and not a fantasy.

[George Hammond wrote]
I AM NOT A FREE TUTOR so I'll tell u what... I'll give
you the TRUE SCIENTIFIC ANSWER to "the Evolution VS.
Creation" argument if you will read my 650 word paper:

=============================
HOW MICROTUBULES CAUSE LIFE AFTER DEATH: IN 650 WORDS
located at: https://goo.gl/BmejA1 (academia.edu webpage)
or at: https://goo.gl/1yhtYC (freebie PDF file)
=============================

OK... assuming that's a deal.......the SCIENTIFIC FACT IS
that BOTH Evolution and Biblical Creation are BOTH
scientifically absolutely true.
We are all familiar with the existing scientific proof of
Evolution.... so I don't need to repeat that. Life sat for
3 billion years as Stromatolites on the ocean floor.. then
developed into multicell animals... then the higher life
forms.. evolving all the way up to Man. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY
NO QUESTION THAT DARWINIAN EVOLUTION IS ABSOLUTELY PROVEN TO
BE TRUE.
However, what is lesser known, is that BIBLICAL CREATION
IS ALSO ABSOLUTELY SCIENTIFICALLY TRUE, and it occurred
when modern Man (Homo Sapiens Sapiens) first appeared about
100,000 years ago but didn't reach large numbers until about
40,000 years ago.... so I use the number 40,000 years ago
for the BIBLICAL CREATION.
The BIBLICAL CREATION IS the ADVENT OF HUMAN REALITY as
we know it, i.e. as we actually see it.... what we call "the
world". The "world" did not exist before HSS appeared...
because the "world" of a frog, or a bird, or even a dog is
NOT IDENTICAL TO THE HUMAN WORLD.

So.... scientists only talk about "THE CREATION OF THE
"THEORETICAL WORLD"... ..THE THEORETICAL WORLD BEING WHAT
WAS HERE BEFORE MAN GOT HERE WHILE THEOLOGIANS ONLY TALK
ABOUT "THE CREATION OF "REALITY".... "REALITY" BEING DEFINED
AS WHAT MAN ACTUALLY SEES. And as I have pointed out, the
physical world was created 5 billion years ago....while
"reality" as we know it, was created approximately 40,000
years ago.... just like the Bible says, (approximately).

Now, if you think this is a "distinction without a
difference"... you better think again. It turns out that
the THEORETICAL WORLD can be calculated exactly.. out to
many decimal places...... but the real world i.e. "reality"
as Man sees it... is just as variable as the growth of the
human body is.... your "reality" depends CRITICALLY on how
high on the human growth curve you were when you stopped
growing. If you stopped growing at say 80% of full
genotypic size (btw no one has ever reached full genotypic
size... so don't worry).... this means 20% of your body is
missing... including 20% of your brain.... and it is easy to
show (using children) that if 20% of your brain is
missing... 20% of REALITY IS INVISIBLE TO YOU. AND THIS
PHENOMENON IS CALLED "GOD" AND HAS BEEN CALLED "GOD" FOR
THOUSANDS OF YEARS, AND IS ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT AND
UNIVERSAL FUNCTIONAL DILEMMAS KNOWN TO MAN!

I HOPE THAT WILL CLEAR UP THE EVOLUTION VS CREATION
CONTROVERSY.

copyright october 2017 GEORGE HAMMOND

Cloud Hobbit

2017-10-10 16:10:55 UTC

No Mr. Hammond it only clears up the notion that you should be considered sane which you clearly are not.

It would do me no good to read your paper and now that you have confirmed you are a couple tacos short of a combination plate there's no need.

George Hammond

2017-10-10 21:14:40 UTC

On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 09:10:55 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit
No Mr. Hammond it only clears up the notion that you should be considered sane which you clearly are not.
It would do me no good to read your paper and now that you have confirmed you are a couple tacos short of a combination plate there's no need.

[George Hammond]
so much fo casting pearls befoe swine. go jump in a lake!

Atlatl Axolotl

2017-10-10 23:12:20 UTC

Post by George Hammond
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 09:10:55 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit

[George Hammond]
so much fo casting pearls befoe swine. go jump in a lake!

The cliches are strong with this one.

a2

George Hammond

2017-10-11 04:39:02 UTC

On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 16:12:20 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl

Post by George Hammond
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 09:10:55 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit

[George Hammond]
so much fo casting pearls befoe swine. go jump in a lake!

The cliches are strong with this one.
a2

[George Hammond]
Screw echolalliated lardass academy moron... this is a
serious discussion.

Atlatl Axolotl

2017-10-11 13:50:54 UTC

Post by George Hammond
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 16:12:20 -0700 (PDT), Atlatl Axolotl

Post by George Hammond
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 09:10:55 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit

[George Hammond]
so much fo casting pearls befoe swine. go jump in a lake!

.> >The cliches are strong with this one.

[George Hammond]
Screw echolalliated lardass academy moron... this is a

.> serious discussion.

"echolalia"? Heh...

Atlatl Axolotl

Cloud Hobbit

2017-10-11 09:32:21 UTC

A stinging retort Mr. Hammond.
I see all that education has paid off.

Your folks must be so proud.

George Hammond

2017-10-11 10:36:46 UTC

On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 02:32:21 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit
A stinging retort Mr. Hammond.
I see all that education has paid off.
Your folks must be so proud.

[George Hammond]
I'm 75 A-hole. Go jump in a lake.

hypatiab7

2017-10-11 10:33:14 UTC

Will, "Yer nuts", do?

George Hammond

2017-10-11 10:49:12 UTC

On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 03:33:14 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7

Will, "Yer nuts", do?

[George Hammond]
You sound scientifically illiterate. Here's my CV,,,,
lets see yours skateboarder.

CURRICULUM VITAE

GEORGE HAMMOND

B.S. Physics 1964, Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Worcester MA, USA
M.S. Physics 1967, Northeastern University,
Boston MA, USA
Ph.D. Candidate and Teaching Fellow in Physics, 1967-68
Northeastern Univ. Boston MA
Note: Studied Relativity under Prof. Richard Arnowitt
at N.U. and who is presently Distinguished
Professor of Physics at TAMU

Christopher A. Lee

2017-10-11 12:16:48 UTC

On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 03:33:14 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7

Will, "Yer nuts", do?

What about his nuts?

"Polly want a nutcracker"

George Hammond

2017-10-15 18:16:10 UTC