Discussion:
Crowley and Awareness
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Kaydom
2016-10-03 08:26:30 UTC
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Since ego dissoution occurs upon crossing The Abyss, does it honestly
seem as though Crowley achieved the level he claims?

Because he comes across as an arrogant, condescending prick, at times.

Surely those traits would have dissolved?

Interested to hear opinions.
Bassos
2016-10-06 16:36:00 UTC
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Post by Kaydom
Since ego dissoution occurs upon crossing The Abyss, does it honestly
seem as though Crowley achieved the level he claims?
Love the lack of L in there.

Claims are akin to bait.

I am King of alt.magick

What sort of rules do I enforce ?
Post by Kaydom
Because he comes across as an arrogant, condescending prick, at times.
Nonsense.

Alistair Crowley comes across as a genuine seeker of refinement.

17

He predicted that, but never wrote anything about that.
Post by Kaydom
Surely those traits would have dissolved?
Noob.

Crossing the Abyss means dissolving all opposites.

Moving again as a me, makes new ripples.
Post by Kaydom
Interested to hear opinions.
ok sure

wait, i am king.

Alt.magick; brake down every single part of the presented viewpoints.

Use logic.

Use words.

Refrain from conclusions.

Just describe how what was posted was silly.

Always: party on dudes!



Plenty of stuff to argue with "other" people ...
Kaydon
2016-10-06 17:58:36 UTC
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Post by Bassos
Post by Kaydom
Since ego dissoution occurs upon crossing The Abyss, does it
honestly seem as though Crowley achieved the level he claims?
Love the lack of L in there.
Claims are akin to bait.
I am King of alt.magick
Claims are akin to bait.
Post by Bassos
What sort of rules do I enforce ?
None.
Post by Bassos
Post by Kaydom
Because he comes across as an arrogant, condescending prick, at times.
Nonsense.
Claims are akin to bait.
Post by Bassos
Alistair Crowley comes across as a genuine seeker of refinement.
17
He predicted that, but never wrote anything about that.
Post by Kaydom
Surely those traits would have dissolved?
Noob.
Claims are akin to bait. Noob.
Post by Bassos
Crossing the Abyss means dissolving all opposites.
Agreed. Although something was recently read which "claimed" otherwise.
I shall perhaps post the reference, but perhaps not.
Post by Bassos
Moving again as a me, makes new ripples.
You can have the me of I back when I no longer exist(s).
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Post by Kaydom
Interested to hear opinions.
ok sure
wait, i am king.
Are you sure?
Post by Bassos
Alt.magick; brake down every single part of the presented viewpoints.
What if there are no viewpoints?
Post by Bassos
Use logic.
OK.
Post by Bassos
Use words.
What if logic is beyond words?
Post by Bassos
Refrain from conclusions.
OK.
Post by Bassos
Just describe how what was posted was silly.
Don't be silly.
Post by Bassos
Always: party on dudes!
I got ordained a Dudeism Minister the other night. There was a lovely
ceremony involving chickens.
Post by Bassos
http://youtu.be/IeNU600stLA
Plenty of stuff to argue with "other" people ...
Bassos
2016-10-09 10:43:00 UTC
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Post by Bassos
Post by Bassos
Post by Kaydom
Since ego dissoution occurs upon crossing The Abyss, does it
honestly seem as though Crowley achieved the level he claims?
Love the lack of L in there.
Claims are akin to bait.
I am King of alt.magick
Claims are akin to bait.
This one is just a fact that is used as bait ;)

Need the actual datum of experience, when Tom stopped posting ?
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What sort of rules do I enforce ?
None.
Heh.

Thou shalt not post fucking poetry.
(unless actual fucking references in there)
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Post by Bassos
Post by Kaydom
Because he comes across as an arrogant, condescending prick, at times.
Nonsense.
Claims are akin to bait.
Not actual bait though, so copy much else of me lately ?
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Post by Bassos
Alistair Crowley comes across as a genuine seeker of refinement.
17
He predicted that, but never wrote anything about that.
Post by Kaydom
Surely those traits would have dissolved?
Noob.
Claims are akin to bait. Noob.
Ah yes, a follower.

Meh.
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Post by Bassos
Crossing the Abyss means dissolving all opposites.
Agreed. Although something was recently read which "claimed" otherwise.
I shall perhaps post the reference, but perhaps not.
Post away fucktard.
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Post by Bassos
Moving again as a me, makes new ripples.
You can have the me of I back when I no longer exist(s).
We all live in a yellow submarine.
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Post by Kaydom
Interested to hear opinions.
ok sure
wait, i am king.
Are you sure?
Sure.
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Post by Bassos
Alt.magick; brake down every single part of the presented viewpoints.
What if there are no viewpoints?
Interplanetary space is really scary.

It is possible to feel yourselves there and experience the long silence
and darkness between Jupiter and Saturnus.
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Post by Bassos
Use logic.
OK.
Post by Bassos
Use words.
What if logic is beyond words?
Idea's are always beyond words, what is your question ?
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Post by Bassos
Refrain from conclusions.
OK.
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http://youtu.be/IeNU600stLA
Plenty of stuff to argue with "other" people ...
Mike Duffy
2016-10-10 16:40:00 UTC
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Post by Bassos
Thou shalt not post fucking poetry.
There was once a magickal King,
Who thought it would be a nice thing,
To proscribe for a time,
All sorts of rhyme,
And wait for replies it might bring.
--
http://mduffy.x10host.com/index.htm
Mikal606
2016-10-10 17:36:14 UTC
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Post by Mike Duffy
Post by Bassos
Thou shalt not post fucking poetry.
There was once a magickal King,
Who thought it would be a nice thing,
To proscribe for a time,
All sorts of rhyme,
And wait for replies it might bring.
--
http://mduffy.x10host.com/index.htm
Allan Sherman – The Bronx Bird Watcher Lyrics
+The Bronx Bird Watcher
On a branch of a tree sat a little tomtit,
Singing willow, tit willow, tit willow.
An uncomfortable place for a boidie to sit,
Singing willow, tit willow, tit willow.
So I said to him, "Boidie, why don't you go way?"
He said, "Thenks very much, but I'm planning to stay.
I'm gung sit on that branch for the rest of the day,
Singing willow, tit willow, tit willow."
So I said to him, "Boidie, you look so distraught.
Singing willow, tit willow, tit willow.
You gonna be glad when you'll see what I brought.
A pillow, a pillow, a pillow."
I said, "Boidie, your pardon I humbly would beg.
Put this comfortable pillow right under your leg."
He said, "Leave me alone while I'm laying an egg.
Uh willow, tit willow, tit willow."
That night by the light of a matzoh ball moon,
Singing willow, tit willow, tit willow.
That boidie was singing the same catchy tune.
Willow, tit willow, tit willow.
And I came, and I took him right down from his branch,
And I brought him back home to mine split-level ranch,
And I said to my wife, "Here's a gift for you, Blanche.
He sings 'willow, tit willow, tit willow.'"
Next morning I got up and went to the shop,
Singing willow, tit willow, tit willow.
That tune was so catchy, it just wouldn't stop.
Willow willow willow titty willow willow willow
titty willow willow willow willow.
That night I said, "Blanche, how's the bird?" She said, "Well,
The boid was delicious, it tasted just swell.
But as I fricaseed him, he gave out a yell:
'Oi willow, tit willow, tit willow.'"
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/a/allan+sherman/the+bronx+bird+watcher_20555745.html
Bassos
2016-10-14 11:17:40 UTC
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Post by Mike Duffy
Post by Bassos
Thou shalt not post fucking poetry.
There was once a magickal King,
Who thought it would be a nice thing,
To proscribe for a time,
All sorts of rhyme,
And wait for replies it might bring.
At least you remembered that the brain does not parse not ;)

Magickal is a bit of an issue.

Magick is fine as word.
Magical.

Just describe what you mean in a different format.

there once was a King in alt.magick,
who did things fantastiq,




well, seems interesting how you would end that limerick.

Suggestions:

and that is how she became energetic.
but well, he always was a tad fanatic.
and at the end; just forget it.
different end rhyme is just a trick.

seems doable :)
Mike Duffy
2016-10-14 23:44:20 UTC
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Post by Bassos
there once was a King in alt.magick,
who did things fantastiq,
well, seems interesting how you would end that limerick.
First, I would not start it like that, because a Limerick should start
with two bachii and an iamb for the first two lines. Lines 3 & 4 are
each a bachius & iamb, with line 5 the same as lines 1 & 2.

http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88v/foot.html

So, I would re-work the meter for the first two lines:

The King of the alt.magick band,
Has asked me to give him a hand,
But he doesn't know,
Where such script will go,
It might be less glowing than planned.
Bassos
2016-10-16 06:53:57 UTC
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Post by Mike Duffy
Post by Bassos
there once was a King in alt.magick,
who did things fantastiq,
well, seems interesting how you would end that limerick.
First, I would not start it like that,
Not an actual argument.
You did not start it that way.

Ya could make an effort and finish it though.
Post by Mike Duffy
because a Limerick should
SHOULD ???

Oh noes.
Post by Mike Duffy
start with two bachii and an iamb for the first two lines. Lines 3 & 4 are
each a bachius & iamb, with line 5 the same as lines 1 & 2.
Then add a 3 syllable word to the second line.
say certainly after who or so.

Be creative, be be creative.
Post by Mike Duffy
http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88v/foot.html
Rule followers can find the exit on their own.
Oh no, rule followers can frantically look around for an exit sign,
gotta follow them rulez.
Post by Mike Duffy
The King of the alt.magick band,
Not a proper limerick first line.

there once was a man from nantucket
1 1 1 1 1 1 3 = 9 syllables
the king of the alt.magick band
1 1 1 1 3 1 = 8 syllables.

Complaining about rule breaking, while rule breaking, is that on purpose ?
Post by Mike Duffy
Has asked me to give him a hand,
Not a proper second line either, heh.
again 8 sylls with would be 9 if proper.
Post by Mike Duffy
But he doesn't know,
Where such script(s) will go,
It might be less glowing than planned.
heh, plans, funny.
Perhaps write planned as planet for proper auditory enjoyment ;)
Kaydon
2016-10-18 19:19:19 UTC
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Post by Mike Duffy
Post by Bassos
Thou shalt not post fucking poetry.
There was once a magickal King,
Who thought it would be a nice thing,
To proscribe for a time,
All sorts of rhyme,
And wait for replies it might bring.
Freestyle!

Right here, right now
I am not here
Nor have I ever been
I am not who I was
Nor who I will be
Oscar Levant
2017-04-26 04:10:09 UTC
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Post by Kaydom
Since ego dissoution occurs upon crossing The Abyss, does it honestly
seem as though Crowley achieved the level he claims?
Because he comes across as an arrogant, condescending prick, at times.
Surely those traits would have dissolved?
Interested to hear opinions.
I would never assume the proper traits of an enlightened being.
Mike Duffy
2017-04-26 15:21:33 UTC
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Post by Oscar Levant
I would never assume the proper traits of an enlightened being.
In this declaration, 'assume' can be parsed in two senses:

(1) I would never assume that I know the proper traits ...
(2) I would never instantiate any actions based on the assumption of the
proper traits ...

(In (2), 'assume' is used in the sense of as in the command to riflemen to
"Assume firing position", which is more along the lines of affecting a
behaviour that has been explicitely learned, as opposed to letting each of
them decide on his own what firing position is best.)

In either case, I suspect that 'enlightened' is a quantitative metric; not
a binary one. In other words, it is not accurate to speak of someone being
enlightened or not. Rather, one might say someone is more or less
enlightened than another, or more or less enlightened than in the past.

Also, there are several distinct aspects of enlightenment. Using your
example, perhaps he had gone beyond the goal of not acting like a jerk to
the higher goal of accepting himself as the arrogant jerk he really was.

Or perhaps it was a deliberate ruse to teach us all something, and we are
all not enlightened enough to fathom the lesson.
Bassos
2017-05-01 14:05:49 UTC
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Post by Oscar Levant
Post by Kaydom
Since ego dissoution occurs upon crossing The Abyss, does it honestly
seem as though Crowley achieved the level he claims?
Because he comes across as an arrogant, condescending prick, at times.
Surely those traits would have dissolved?
Interested to hear opinions.
I would never assume the proper traits of an enlightened being.
Traits ?

How bout Stats ?

Strength:
Agility:
Constitution:
Intelligence:
Wisdom:
Charisma:

Amorality:
Confusion-induction:
Haughtynessi:
Compassion:
What would be moar compassionate, letting you figure this out for
yourselves, or nudging you along along the way ?
Bassos
2017-05-09 12:45:29 UTC
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Post by Bassos
Post by Oscar Levant
Post by Kaydom
Since ego dissoution occurs upon crossing The Abyss, does it honestly
seem as though Crowley achieved the level he claims?
Because he comes across as an arrogant, condescending prick, at times.
Surely those traits would have dissolved?
Interested to hear opinions.
I would never assume the proper traits of an enlightened being.
Traits ?
Those are moar things one picks up along the way ;)
Post by Bassos
How bout Stats ?
Well, strength as in the Tarot card.
The woman just convinces the Lion to open hir mouth.
Inner strength vs muscle strength,

Or is that ?
Dexterity is useful, to type curses at people, erm, wait, i mean
ofcourse ...
Being able to walk and have limbs and such is useful.

Actual magick is not done by movement, although well, that is a
different sort of magick, stay on plane sheeple.

What is with all the motherfucking Sheep on this Motherfucking plane ?

Motherfucking is the off-course reference to the omnipresent Yoni
wiggling around the nowhere Lingam.
(Poke reference; + 1 point(s), including a poke reference in an AC
reference; -10 poke points(IT's a (w)hole thing))
To keep up, one must be able to, i reckon the ability to continue on
through the wall of:
"I DON WANNA" is needed.

Constitution can be trained, not sure if a minimum is needed, seeing how
most magick is done internally.
Ah the stumble block.

Minimum intelligence is not needed to do magick.
Look at minerals.
(and molecules, and symbiosis, and plants, and ...)

To do magick as YOU want it to have a specific effect ?

Well, that means changing the entire universe.

I did done do that, and I R scared of doing moar.

Pepole just tend to die, far out of your supposed reach, but directly
referencing your acts.

So that is why i never claimed a challenge prize.

Consequences of lives lost are far greater than money.

I post in alt.magick, because it is efficient to have some place where
everything can be posted.

At the moment I am not in contact with any other mage.

If my experiences are somewhat translatable to other representations of
obscurations of the eternal light, i am not so surprised they would call
themselves secret.

Bunch of fucking pussies :)
Yeah, well, i might need some work here :P
You know you lub me anyway <3
Your own feelings.
Confusion is the start of change.

Trauma being the engine of initiation is just a subset of that.
I Am The King Off Alt.Magick!
(well, King off Amsterdam, but born in AM)
Post by Bassos
What would be moar compassionate, letting you figure this out for
yourselves, or nudging you along along the way ?
And would i care what would be a compassion argument ?

:)
Mikal606
2017-05-09 17:14:57 UTC
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On Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 7:41:36 AM UTC-5, Bassos wrote:
<snip>
Post by Bassos
Confusion is the start of change.
Trauma being the engine of initiation is just a subset of that.
I am going to send you something, not by machine.
You are going to see the White Rabbit.
Bassos
2017-05-29 13:38:39 UTC
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Post by Mikal606
<snip>
Post by Bassos
Confusion is the start of change.
Trauma being the engine of initiation is just a subset of that.
I am going to send you something, not by machine.
You are going to see the White Rabbit.
No rabbits yet.

What you can do:

Make a website where hebrew words are actually spelled out, not just
with hebrew font, but with transliteration per letter.

Then add to each letter their value, and meaning, and full spelling.

THen add to that full spelling the individual letters, in both hebrew
and english.

SO:

Raphael.

Is the -el.

Aleph lamed ?

Thus Raphaal ?

Elohim ?

Is that aleph lamed-ohim ?

SO confusing :)

That would a worthwhile website.

Worthy of wonder.

What is ohim anyway ?
Mikal606
2017-05-30 00:03:52 UTC
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Make a web site? I am reducing my exposure on the net. Many of the books I read now give the desired "dna" so there isn't much to do.
Except fulfill the rest of the book, of course. We do this the way I described in " words for 2017" on A. R. K. Those who aren't getting it by now likely never will, it being a functional secret communication channel with authentication protocol. The purpose is to "level up". Have a loved one in the "other side"?
You and that person have things known only to you. If you aren't getting results, that person may still be in Sheol, but you may not be "right". If you are getting results, that person may yet be in Sheol but is to be raised and you are being encouraged . If you are getting spectacular results and intimate feedback, your life is changing.
Bassos
2017-06-02 01:01:14 UTC
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Post by Mikal606
Make a web site?
To move the world.

Pretty big lever.
Post by Mikal606
I am reducing my exposure on the net.
Ah someone scared.

How common.

Snip common things.


I guess, as a start.
Mike_Duffy
2017-06-02 03:24:51 UTC
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Post by Bassos
Ah someone scared.
How common.
Snip common things.
I guess, as a start.
This gives the proper 'feeling', but if you want anyone to take your haiku
seriously, it needs to follow the established form of 5,7,5 syllables:

So scared, how common.
Snip out all the common things.
I guess, as a start.
Mikal606
2017-06-02 16:42:36 UTC
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Post by Mike_Duffy
Post by Bassos
Ah someone scared.
How common.
Snip common things.
I guess, as a start.
This gives the proper 'feeling', but if you want anyone to take your haiku
So scared, how common.
Snip out all the common things.
I guess, as a start.
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/1514.htm


Bassos
2017-06-11 21:20:00 UTC
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Post by Mikal606
Post by Mike_Duffy
Post by Bassos
Ah someone scared.
How common.
Snip common things.
I guess, as a start.
This gives the proper 'feeling', but if you want anyone to take your haiku
So scared, how common.
Snip out all the common things.
I guess, as a start.
How dare you accuse me of Haiku?

Terms describing poetry are after the fact.

OFF-course.
Post by Mikal606
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/1514.htm
http://youtu.be/YCJ9V8XByTE
heh, somewhat reminiscientias.

No good, start the dance;



I see your music and raise you:


Vision of the machinery of the universe; malkuth, 10=1.

Even though vision is more a yesod thing.

Yesod hears the ROAR of the big machine.

Everybody hears through yesod.
Mikal606
2017-06-12 15:02:38 UTC
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Post by Bassos
Post by Mikal606
Post by Mike_Duffy
Post by Bassos
Ah someone scared.
How common.
Snip common things.
I guess, as a start.
This gives the proper 'feeling', but if you want anyone to take your haiku
So scared, how common.
Snip out all the common things.
I guess, as a start.
How dare you accuse me of Haiku?
Terms describing poetry are after the fact.
OFF-course.
Post by Mikal606
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/1514.htm
http://youtu.be/YCJ9V8XByTE
heh, somewhat reminiscientias.
No good, start the dance;
http://youtu.be/svJvT6ruolA
http://youtu.be/IuezNswtRfo
Vision of the machinery of the universe; malkuth, 10=1.
Even though vision is more a yesod thing.
Yesod hears the ROAR of the big machine.
Everybody hears through yesod.
Been there, done that.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.kibology/GtEicQcoLEg/gB1CucBoFJMJ
Bassos
2017-06-17 17:48:24 UTC
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Post by Mikal606
Post by Bassos
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Post by Mike_Duffy
Post by Bassos
Ah someone scared.
How common.
Snip common things.
I guess, as a start.
This gives the proper 'feeling', but if you want anyone to take your haiku
So scared, how common.
Snip out all the common things.
I guess, as a start.
How dare you accuse me of Haiku?
Terms describing poetry are after the fact.
OFF-course.
Post by Mikal606
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/1514.htm
http://youtu.be/YCJ9V8XByTE
heh, somewhat reminiscientias.
No good, start the dance;
http://youtu.be/svJvT6ruolA
http://youtu.be/IuezNswtRfo
Vision of the machinery of the universe; malkuth, 10=1.
Even though vision is more a yesod thing.
Yesod hears the ROAR of the big machine.
Everybody hears through yesod.
Been there, done that.
You obviously do not understand anything.

Bonus question:
Can nothing be understood ?
Mike_Duffy
2017-06-17 21:34:01 UTC
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Post by Bassos
Can nothing be understood ?
Notwithstanding confusion between misunderstanding and not understanding
the question, I would say yes.

We learn this in elementary school. It is called the 'null set'.
Bassos
2017-06-18 18:14:14 UTC
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Post by Bassos
Can nothing be understood ?
Notwithstanding confusion between misunderstanding and not understanding
the question, I would say yes.
We learn this in elementary school. It is called the 'null set'.
The null set is one form of nothing, thus most likely not actually
nothing, right ?

Null set is the set without content.

It is still a set.

A collection.

No things in it, but defined.

Nothing is different.

AIN SOPH AUR has the right idea.

Ain is the actual nothing, no things at all, no time, no space, no
universes.

AIN SOPH is the most magical part of creation, the rest just follows.

If you are nothing, you are also everything.

Stop and think.

That is what overcame nothing.

No thing.

IT stopped and created a place where itself was not.

If you are nothing, and that is everything, then get a point inside
yourselves to present a vision.

Thus creation.

What where we talking about ?
Bassos
2017-06-18 18:42:15 UTC
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Post by Bassos
Can nothing be understood ?
Notwithstanding confusion between misunderstanding and not understanding
the question, I would say yes.
We learn this in elementary school. It is called the 'null set'.
The null set is one form of nothing, thus most likely not actually
nothing, right ?
Null set is the set without content.
It is still a set.
A collection.
No things in it, but defined.
Nothing is different.
AIN SOPH AUR has the right idea.
Ain is the actual nothing, no things at all, no time, no space, no
universes.
AIN SOPH is the most magical part of creation, the rest just follows.
If you are nothing, you are also everything.
Stop and think.
That is what overcame nothing.
No thing.
IT stopped and created a place where itself was not.
If you are nothing, and that is everything, then get a point inside
yourselves to present a vision.
Thus creation.
What where we talking about ?
I know!!

Musix of the zperez.
(spheres)

What if i drown in this sea of devotion ?

I guess there would be a new king of alt.magick.

Sooooo,

What do you think ?

Is there nobody to love me ?
(hint: noob!)



Who of you can even pretend to be the KING of ALT.MAGICK ?

David i guess.

But he is crazy
Mike_Duffy
2017-06-19 03:45:43 UTC
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Post by Bassos
Who of you can even pretend to be the KING of ALT.MAGICK ?
All hail King Bassos!
Bassos
2017-06-19 06:53:49 UTC
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Post by Mike_Duffy
Post by Bassos
Who of you can even pretend to be the KING of ALT.MAGICK ?
All hail King Bassos!
You have not remembered the first edict;

You are a creator.
(area, interesting)

Nobody does follow me, coz well, nobody follows Kings, but you all
should just do what you do.

And learn astrology.
Best way of describing experience known to man.

I did do study psychology, and went for psychonomy.

Astrology is way better.

(psychonomie is about mapping experiences with brain wave changes; it's
not that far evolved yet to make any statements about the mind convincing.)

I have been a student at dutch universi-teese for erm, from 1995-2001
and from 2007 to 2011.

I think that is wrong, but i do not want to look up what is right.

How bout you ?

What things do you think are wrong, but just choose to not look up ?
Mike_Duffy
2017-06-19 16:29:42 UTC
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Post by Bassos
What things do you think are wrong,
but just choose to not look up ?
Do you mean 'look up' in the sense of a simple web search? There are a lot
of wrong things. Because of conflicting perceptions, web search results on
controversial topics will often be wrong because people with diverse
experiences will honestly state beleifs that conflict with honest beliefs
of others.

Nodoby is lying, but someone must be wrong if you assume that there is a
universal objective reality.

If you assume that each of us can hold beliefs in our our unique subjective
realities, that is fine until our interactions with others yield conflict
based on those discrepencies.
Bassos
2017-06-19 16:39:09 UTC
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Post by Bassos
What things do you think are wrong,
but just choose to not look up ?
Do you mean 'look up' in the sense of a simple web search?
No.

Try again, but now with looking up what you shy away from.

Like inside your own mind.
Mike_Duffy
2017-06-20 00:53:35 UTC
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Try again, [...] inside your own mind.
No, nothing there seems 'wrong'.
Bassos
2017-06-20 04:12:34 UTC
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Post by Mike_Duffy
Try again, [...] inside your own mind.
No, nothing there seems 'wrong'.
Heh.

Try again, this time actually look, cos if there is nothing, you would
be enlightened.

But you are not, so you are a lying sack of shit for brains.

Right ?

And i met some fucktards last night, and i choose to curse them.

What sort of curse should i pick ?

It is about someone who actually helped me in the past, but last night
adhered to out of town police.

Pure fear.

I do not accept fear as a reason.

He is muslim.
Shall i curse him for being a bad muslim ?
Mike_Duffy
2017-06-20 15:43:05 UTC
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Post by Bassos
Try again, this time actually look, cos if there is nothing,
you would be enlightened. But you are not,
(By your logic) I found nothing, thus I am enlightened. Then you say I am
not.
Post by Bassos
Right ?
I don't follow your logic, because from one sentence to another, you
reverse your conclusion for no stated reason.
Post by Bassos
so you are a lying sack of shit for brains.
You accuse me of lying, when I'm just having trouble following your
argument. Being mistaken is not the same as lying. I looked into my own
mind and could find no major discerepencies in my beliefs. If you insist I
should find some, I need to know more details of where or how to look, not
a baseless accusation of deliberate deception.

Plus, you have descended to childish name-calling ("shit for brains").
Post by Bassos
It is about someone who actually helped me in the past, but last night
adhered to out of town police. [...] He is muslim.
Shall i curse him for being a bad muslim ?
No. Curse him for just being bad. Without any other context though, are you
sure? Usually bad people don't listen to the police.

Granted, police can make mistakes. But sometimes we need to abide with
honest mistakes made by others, especially those armed with weopons usually
more effective than cursing. I'm not talking here only of bullets, the
police are also backed-up with a legal system that can end up with a judge
issuing a restraining order or fine or jail time. Such pronouncements by a
judge can be thought of as a form of 'curse' in the sense you were using.
Bassos
2017-07-01 19:00:27 UTC
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Post by Mike_Duffy
Post by Bassos
Try again, this time actually look, cos if there is nothing,
you would be enlightened. But you are not,
(By your logic) I found nothing, thus I am enlightened. Then you say I am
not.
Post by Bassos
Right ?
I don't follow your logic,
What things do you think are wrong,
but just choose to not look up ?

Seems simple.
Post by Mike_Duffy
because from one sentence to another, you
reverse your conclusion for no stated reason.
Do give me an example.
Post by Mike_Duffy
Post by Bassos
so you are a lying sack of shit for brains.
You accuse me of lying,
Nah, it is a conclusion.

If there would be nothing in your own mind, and nothing there to
disagree with;

Duh.
Post by Mike_Duffy
when I'm just having trouble following your argument.
Water is murky, space is full of all sorts of things.

How is your mind like ?
Post by Mike_Duffy
Being mistaken is not the same as lying.
Lying to yourself.
Post by Mike_Duffy
I looked into my own mind
Heh.

The mind, she consists pf interaction between idea's.

How did you look into that ?
Post by Mike_Duffy
and could find no major discerepencies in my beliefs.
Viewpoints mate, not beliefs.

Beliefs are conclusions.

We are discussing perceptions.
Post by Mike_Duffy
If you insist I should find some, I need to know more details of where or how to look, not
a baseless accusation of deliberate deception.
You need not look beyond the sentence you wrote.
"I need to know" desperation.

'Need' moar hints?
Post by Mike_Duffy
Plus, you have descended to childish name-calling ("shit for brains").
Hard knock to remove the flakes.
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Post by Bassos
It is about someone who actually helped me in the past, but last night
adhered to out of town police. [...] He is muslim.
Shall i curse him for being a bad muslim ?
No. Curse him for just being bad.
Nah.

His muslimness confusion is the reason why he did what he did.

Muslimness confusion is akin to doing what other people tell you to do.

Ya know; Religion ...
Post by Mike_Duffy
Without any other context though, are you
sure? Usually bad people don't listen to the police.
You misunderstand the relation of the police and the people.

In Amsterdam, where i live, the Police serves the people.

And in fact, the Police in Amsterdam, is quite proud of serving the
people, coz that is just a good thing to do.

Serve and protect, not on their uniform, but in their acts.
Post by Mike_Duffy
Granted, police can make mistakes.
Sure.

In this case, it where police of outside Amsterdam, who did have
prejudice against people from Amsterdam.

Thus i was somewhat confrontational, as we in Amsterdam do.

And is fine.
Post by Mike_Duffy
But sometimes we need to abide with
honest mistakes made by others, especially those armed with weapons usually
more effective than cursing.
There where no honest mistakes here.

And we do not use guns, we use words.
Post by Mike_Duffy
I'm not talking here only of bullets, the
police are also backed-up with a legal system that can end up with a judge
issuing a restraining order or fine or jail time. Such pronouncements by a
judge can be thought of as a form of 'curse' in the sense you were using.
Nah.

That is not a curse, that is practical magick.

Convince reality the legal reality is a particular way.

My Curses work differently.

I no longer KILL people, i change them.

Putting people in jail is a lousy way to change them.
Mike_Duffy
2017-07-02 02:53:44 UTC
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Post by Bassos
Putting people in jail is a lousy way to change them.
We are in agreement here. The other stuff I deleted because I cannot
determine where you are trying to tell me something, and where you are
trying to avoid telling me something.


Did you actually kill someone with a curse? I tried that once, and it did
not exactly work out the way I expected.
Bassos
2017-07-04 11:38:00 UTC
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Post by Mike_Duffy
Post by Bassos
Putting people in jail is a lousy way to change them.
We are in agreement here. The other stuff I deleted because I cannot
determine where you are trying to tell me something, and where you are
trying to avoid telling me something.
Are those two different in any meaningful way ?

It is your job to figure your things out.

If i tell you, or refuse to tell you is the same thing.

Your job to view where you are.
Post by Mike_Duffy
Did you actually kill someone with a curse?
5 people 4 curses, while one of those curses was an overconfidence
positive magick thing.

Curse, magick, same thing really.
Post by Mike_Duffy
I tried that once, and it did
not exactly work out the way I expected.
Do tell.
Mike_Duffy
2017-07-04 15:32:17 UTC
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Post by Bassos
It is your job to figure your things out.
That is definitely what I get from your posts.
And you are correct, of course.
Post by Bassos
5 people 4 curses, while one of those curses was an
overconfidence positive magick thing.
Positive? You killed someone you were trying to help?

That must have caused you some grief.
Post by Bassos
Do tell.
I'm afraid to give details openly here, because it is remotely possible
that my intended victim might be still watching what I do in public. I do
not wish to make him suffer any more than has already happened.
Bassos
2017-07-04 17:10:08 UTC
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Post by Bassos
It is your job to figure your things out.
That is definitely what I get from your posts.
And you are correct, of course.
Post by Bassos
5 people 4 curses, while one of those curses was an
overconfidence positive magick thing.
Positive? You killed someone you were trying to help?
Nah.

I did magick to get Ajax the 3rd star (30 national titles)
They had to battle FC Twente both for the National cup, and a week later
for the title.

Deal was they would lose the cup, but win the national title.

I changed the deal later to include no riots, a calm celebration,
without any aggression.

So that happened.

On the same day there was a different football club that became
champions on a completely amateur different league.
That was a team from the club i played at when i was young.

They went to party.

There was only mild pleasant celebration.

So they brought the party.
(coke and such)

A police officer who was supposed to keep Ajax hooligans in line did not
have anything to do.

They met, someone said something, someone else pushed, and a sober guy
attempted to brake up the fight.

So that was the one who got shot and killed.

That was also a student at the post graduate place i worked at at that time.
(250 students in total)

So nobody got even hurt from the Ajax Title, but someone died coz there
was no aggression in the city.

I told about the deal with someone from work, me acting all smug and such.

Suffice to say i no longer do any magick for anything, unless i *need* to.
Post by Mike_Duffy
That must have caused you some grief.
Post by Bassos
Do tell.
I'm afraid
Check that before posting in alt.magick.

Fear is stupid, it only obstructs.

Mikal606
2017-06-02 16:40:33 UTC
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Post by Mikal606
Make a web site?
To move the world.
Pretty big lever.
Post by Mikal606
I am reducing my exposure on the net.
Ah someone scared.
How common.
Snip common things.
http://youtu.be/Urw-iutHw5E
I guess, as a start.
To whom should I address my letter of DONT GIVE A FUCK?
https://www.theguardian.com/science/alexs-adventures-in-numberland/2014/nov/04/macaus-magic-square-stamps-just-made-philately-even-more-nerdy
Magic squares can be bigger than three rows and columns. The best known of the 4 x 4 squares was immortalized by German artist Albrecht Dürer in his wood carving Melencolia 1. The magic square appears written in the background, behind a sulky angel. Each row, column and diagonal adds up to 34. In fact, many more combinations of four numbers add up to 34, such as the outer corners, some of the 2x2 subsquares, and many more. But the geekiest aspect of the Dürer square is that it includes the date of when he thought it up – 1514, which we see on the bottom row. Happy 500th birthday Melencolia 1! Cheer up, little angel!
Mikal606
2017-06-03 14:15:41 UTC
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Post by Mikal606
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Post by Bassos
Confusion is the start of change.
Trauma being the engine of initiation is just a subset of that.
I am going to send you something, not by machine.
You are going to see the White Rabbit.
No rabbits yet.
<snip>

180.3
Autumn In Oxford
Alex Rosenberg
"Not just scared. I gave him the assignment. I'm not certain he took it"


! dnuor txen eht gniyub si sossaB


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