Flowing with milk and honey

Addendum:

Zavat = sabbath/shabbo = spilleth-over-flow/expell/express = spout/pout/pour-out-(the-rest) = fount/fuente ~? [uncertain linkage](p/f)oundry = ***@Venice/ghetto
-

Post by Daud Deden
-
Zavat ~ sabath = spilleth, the rest
Chalab ~ (Kh/Ch)ala(v/b) ~ Xalav
Xyuambuatluaxyua (keyword)
XyuA.mbua.tLAxyVa: sieve.mother.leak > mVlk
(xyua)mBuatLuaXyua (keyword)
-
https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/kjv/chalab.html
Strong's Number: 02461
Word Origin blx
from the same as (02459)
Transliterated Word
TDNT Entry
Chalab
TWOT - 650a

Daud Deden

2017-10-31 16:30:30 UTC

Xy.lua(m)bua si.lubr silver (***@Basque)
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/silubr%C4%85
xy/shine + lubr(+icate)/***@Latin: to wash/lavatorium=***@Spanish:launder ~ (f)luid ~ loo

Daud Deden

2017-10-31 16:38:03 UTC

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/silubr%C4%85

murcié***@Spanish: bat. Drinks 'thick' fluids: juices, nectars, blood.
murcie- ~ milky/murky/muddy/bloody
-lagos ~ lact/lick/liquid/lake ~ ***@Malay: body of water eg. ocean, lake

b***@ihug.co.nz

2017-10-31 20:38:43 UTC

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/silubr%C4%85

Actually what most bats eat is bugs.

Post by Daud Deden
murcie- ~ milky/murky/muddy/bloody

So DD goes up against the Neo-Etymologists, who will say that it's
from mur- 'mouse' and ciego 'blind'. Are they wrong? Or has it been
"overformed" on the basis of murky-licky archetypes?

Daud Deden

2017-11-01 16:07:58 UTC

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/silubr%C4%85

Actually what most bats eat is bugs.

Post by Daud Deden
murcie- ~ milky/murky/muddy/bloody

So DD goes up against the Neo-Etymologists, who will say that it's
from mur- 'mouse' and ciego 'blind'. Are they wrong? Or has it been
"overformed" on the basis of murky-licky archetypes?

Thanks Ross. Indeed many bats eat flying insects, though the nectar/blood/juice drinkers are more obvious (non-mobile vs fast flight). Most mice associated with human settlement are gray furred, murky, again originally from milk.y. Ciego is new to me, sounds like Xya.go/shine.gone->sight.gone, guessing.

b***@ihug.co.nz

2017-11-01 21:27:39 UTC

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/silubr%C4%85

Actually what most bats eat is bugs.

Post by Daud Deden
murcie- ~ milky/murky/muddy/bloody

So DD goes up against the Neo-Etymologists, who will say that it's
from mur- 'mouse' and ciego 'blind'. Are they wrong? Or has it been
"overformed" on the basis of murky-licky archetypes?

Regular development from Latin caecus, probably originally 'one-eyed'.

Daud Deden

2017-11-01 23:06:14 UTC

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/silubr%C4%85

Actually what most bats eat is bugs.

Post by Daud Deden
murcie- ~ milky/murky/muddy/bloody

So DD goes up against the Neo-Etymologists, who will say that it's
from mur- 'mouse' and ciego 'blind'. Are they wrong? Or has it been
"overformed" on the basis of murky-licky archetypes?

Regular development from Latin caecus, probably originally 'one-eyed'.

caecum/***@Latin: A sac or bodily cavity with only one opening.
cf. cul-de-sac
cf. Proto-Germanic *kunton, ... PIE root *geu- "hollow place," still others to PIE root *gwen- "woman."

~ gen(et/d)/kin(d)/***@Lusu, W Afr: woman/gyne/***@Tahiti, Polyn.: woman

***@Dutch: literally "cave of love"

grotto/grot/***@Malay:cave <reverse> evac, vag/bag/***@Indonesian:bag

Bats tend to live in caves.

b***@ihug.co.nz

2017-11-01 23:52:01 UTC

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/silubr%C4%85

Actually what most bats eat is bugs.

Post by Daud Deden
murcie- ~ milky/murky/muddy/bloody

So DD goes up against the Neo-Etymologists, who will say that it's
from mur- 'mouse' and ciego 'blind'. Are they wrong? Or has it been
"overformed" on the basis of murky-licky archetypes?

Regular development from Latin caecus, probably originally 'one-eyed'.

from intestinum caecum; neuter form of the word for 'blind', cf. blind alley

Post by Daud Deden
cf. cul-de-sac

Hey, I thought you didn't do comparison! So what are we supposed to compare
here? They both have two c's? ("No, no, listen!"). Oh, so the English

Post by Daud Deden
cf. Proto-Germanic *kunton, ... PIE root *geu- "hollow place," still others to PIE root *gwen- "woman."

Still other what?
You're saying there is a language called Lusu in West Africa, and their
word for woman is "guinea"? Are you sure it isn't a language from Guinea
(not a language, a country) in West Africa, where the word for woman is "lusu"?
Check your notes.
'Vahine' may look a bit like 'gyne', but it actually comes from *ba-binay.
Never mind, I'm sure you'll find another home for it.
Wow! That was fast! So grotto/grot connects to gua by...uh, starting with
g-. Then we reverse! (An old trick of Franz's, hope he doesn't mind you
using it.) But wait: reverse what? Reversing gua would give aug; but you
want uag, don't you? So, okay, not "reverse" but "scramble the letters
around a bit". This gives us evac, vag, bag and ba. Ba? I can't find
an Indonesian ba meaning 'bag' in anything close to hand. Where did you
pick it up?

Post by Daud Deden
Bats tend to live in caves.

So that's why they're called murcielago!
But what happened to murky-licky? Double-overforming?

DKleinecke

2017-11-02 03:36:37 UTC

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/silubr%C4%85

Actually what most bats eat is bugs.

Post by Daud Deden
murcie- ~ milky/murky/muddy/bloody

So DD goes up against the Neo-Etymologists, who will say that it's
from mur- 'mouse' and ciego 'blind'. Are they wrong? Or has it been
"overformed" on the basis of murky-licky archetypes?

Regular development from Latin caecus, probably originally 'one-eyed'.

from intestinum caecum; neuter form of the word for 'blind', cf. blind alley

Post by Daud Deden
cf. cul-de-sac

Hey, I thought you didn't do comparison! So what are we supposed to compare
here? They both have two c's? ("No, no, listen!"). Oh, so the English

Post by Daud Deden
cf. Proto-Germanic *kunton, ... PIE root *geu- "hollow place," still others to PIE root *gwen- "woman."

Post by Daud Deden
Bats tend to live in caves.

So that's why they're called murcielago!
But what happened to murky-licky? Double-overforming?

Wouldn't bats in the belfry be more apt in this case.

António Marques

2017-11-02 14:57:43 UTC

Post by DKleinecke

Post by Daud Deden
Bats tend to live in caves.

So that's why they're called murcielago!
But what happened to murky-licky? Double-overforming?

Wouldn't bats in the belfry be more apt in this case.

I just can't get how the 2-3 of you can keep talking to this person.

DKleinecke

2017-11-02 17:43:31 UTC

Post by AntÃ³nio Marques

Post by DKleinecke

Post by Daud Deden
Bats tend to live in caves.

So that's why they're called murcielago!
But what happened to murky-licky? Double-overforming?

Wouldn't bats in the belfry be more apt in this case.

I just can't get how the 2-3 of you can keep talking to this person.

I'm hoping he will say something useful. Hope springs eternal etc.
but that post was intended as my last. Maybe I can resist the
temptation.

Daud Deden

2017-11-02 22:55:20 UTC

Ross, Portug. Navig. Fernando Po's account described meeting Lusu women and getting the word IIRC.

Cave<reverse>evac is not indicating a trend, but rather a syllable permutation that incidentally resulted in letter order reversal.

Daud Deden

2017-11-02 23:18:41 UTC

***@Grk: darkness

Daud Deden

2017-11-03 11:42:11 UTC

***@Grk: darkness
I guess from (physiological) ***@Mbuti:broad leaf shingle/***@Latin/scute/scale/cataract, not specifically from cave or dome hut.

***@Spanish: black, ***@Latin: dark &
***@Greek: dark derive from ***@Mbuti: endomed, cf ***@Malay: darken.
*Muabuanuaguadtualrua ~ *menege(r/l)a which is also the root for ***@Malay: nation (from hut cf. Bu.ngalo) and ***@Sanskrit and many other words.

b***@ihug.co.nz

2017-11-02 23:51:09 UTC

Post by Daud Deden
Ross, Portug. Navig. Fernando Po's account described meeting Lusu women and getting the word IIRC.

Right. I figured it was him. Now all we need to know is where you
read this.

Post by Daud Deden
Cave<reverse>evac is not indicating a trend, but rather a syllable permutation that incidentally resulted in letter order reversal.

Ah. So you think "cave" has two syllables?

b***@ihug.co.nz

2017-11-02 23:51:54 UTC

Post by Daud Deden
Ross, Portug. Navig. Fernando Po's account described meeting Lusu women and getting the word IIRC.

Right. I figured it was him. Now all we need to know is where you
read this.

Post by Daud Deden
Cave<reverse>evac is not indicating a trend, but rather a syllable permutation that incidentally resulted in letter order reversal.

Ah. So you think "cave" has two syllables?

And by "not indicating a trend" you mean you promise not to do it again?

Daud Deden

2017-11-05 16:51:35 UTC

Post by Daud Deden
Ross, Portug. Navig. Fernando Po's account described meeting Lusu women and getting the word IIRC.

Right. I figured it was him. Now all we need to know is where you
read this.

Post by Daud Deden
Cave<reverse>evac is not indicating a trend, but rather a syllable permutation that incidentally resulted in letter order reversal.

Ah. So you think "cave" has two syllables?

1 cave/verb (cve=cua=gua)
2 cavern/noun
3 cavernous/adjective
4 excavate (ex-cava/quaffe/scoop/cup/qufa:coracle)
5 evacuate eva/cua/te

eva appears linked to vapor, which as smoke tend to rise

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
And by "not indicating a trend" you mean you promise not to do it again?

You must be having some difficulties in comprehending my messages, Ross. When I said it is not indicating a trend, I meant it is not indicating a trend. Your knee-jerk response seems to be a creation of your own with little regard to what I wrote.

DKleinecke

2017-11-05 19:26:17 UTC

Post by Daud Deden
Ross, Portug. Navig. Fernando Po's account described meeting Lusu women and getting the word IIRC.

Right. I figured it was him. Now all we need to know is where you
read this.

Post by Daud Deden
Cave<reverse>evac is not indicating a trend, but rather a syllable permutation that incidentally resulted in letter order reversal.

Ah. So you think "cave" has two syllables?

1 cave/verb (cve=cua=gua)
2 cavern/noun
3 cavernous/adjective
4 excavate (ex-cava/quaffe/scoop/cup/qufa:coracle)
5 evacuate eva/cua/te
eva appears linked to vapor, which as smoke tend to rise

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
And by "not indicating a trend" you mean you promise not to do it again?

Ross is not the only one having difficulty in comprehending
your messages.

what is
ex-cava/quaffe/scoop/cup/qufa:coracle
supposed to demonstrate?

Why, after listing 4 related words (cave etc.) do you bring
in "evacuate" which is "e-vacu-ate" and unrelated to
"ex-cav-ate"? There is nothing paleolithic about details of
Late Latin derivations.

Daud Deden

2017-11-06 22:51:03 UTC

DK: cavus, cavV, cua, gua

DKleinecke

2017-11-06 23:28:32 UTC

Post by Daud Deden
DK: cavus, cavV, cua, gua

Makes no sense without your codebook.

Daud Deden

2017-11-07 22:32:17 UTC

Post by DKleinecke

Post by Daud Deden
Ross, Portug. Navig. Fernando Po's account described meeting Lusu women and getting the word IIRC.

Right. I figured it was him. Now all we need to know is where you
read this.

Post by Daud Deden
Cave<reverse>evac is not indicating a trend, but rather a syllable permutation that incidentally resulted in letter order reversal.

Ah. So you think "cave" has two syllables?

1 cave/verb (cve=cua=gua)
2 cavern/noun
3 cavernous/adjective
4 excavate (ex-cava/quaffe/scoop/cup/qufa:coracle)
5 evacuate eva/cua/te
eva appears linked to vapor, which as smoke tend to rise

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
And by "not indicating a trend" you mean you promise not to do it again?

Ross is not the only one having difficulty in comprehending
your messages.
what is
ex-cava/quaffe/scoop/cup/qufa:coracle
supposed to demonstrate?
Why, after listing 4 related words (cave etc.) do you bring
in "evacuate" which is "e-vacu-ate" and unrelated to
"ex-cav-ate"? There is nothing paleolithic about details of
Late Latin derivations.

DK, eva-CUA-te, ex-CaVA-te, GUA, QUaFe, sCUP/scoop, CUP, QUFa all of these refer in some way to 'scooped out', concave form, derived from ancestral inverted domicile/dome shield, ( ~ *xyuambua ~ sieve)

DKleinecke

2017-11-08 00:15:16 UTC

Post by Daud Deden
Ross, Portug. Navig. Fernando Po's account described meeting Lusu women and getting the word IIRC.

Right. I figured it was him. Now all we need to know is where you
read this.

Post by Daud Deden
Cave<reverse>evac is not indicating a trend, but rather a syllable permutation that incidentally resulted in letter order reversal.

Ah. So you think "cave" has two syllables?

1 cave/verb (cve=cua=gua)
2 cavern/noun
3 cavernous/adjective
4 excavate (ex-cava/quaffe/scoop/cup/qufa:coracle)
5 evacuate eva/cua/te
eva appears linked to vapor, which as smoke tend to rise

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
And by "not indicating a trend" you mean you promise not to do it again?

Ross is not the only one having difficulty in comprehending
your messages.
what is
ex-cava/quaffe/scoop/cup/qufa:coracle
supposed to demonstrate?
Why, after listing 4 related words (cave etc.) do you bring
in "evacuate" which is "e-vacu-ate" and unrelated to
"ex-cav-ate"? There is nothing paleolithic about details of
Late Latin derivations.

But, among other things, we know it is e-vacu-ate not eva-cua-ate

b***@ihug.co.nz

2017-11-05 20:00:06 UTC

Post by Daud Deden
Ross, Portug. Navig. Fernando Po's account described meeting Lusu women and getting the word IIRC.

Right. I figured it was him. Now all we need to know is where you
read this.

Post by Daud Deden
Cave<reverse>evac is not indicating a trend, but rather a syllable permutation that incidentally resulted in letter order reversal.

Ah. So you think "cave" has two syllables?

Well, do you or not? The word-strings are not an answer. If you think
"cave" has two syllables, you are obviously not listening (contrary to
your usual boasts). If you don't, then what can you mean by "syllable
permutation"? Just shuffling letters around?

Post by Daud Deden
1 cave/verb (cve=cua=gua)
2 cavern/noun
3 cavernous/adjective
4 excavate (ex-cava/quaffe/scoop/cup/qufa:coracle)
5 evacuate eva/cua/te
eva appears linked to vapor, which as smoke tend to rise

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
And by "not indicating a trend" you mean you promise not to do it again?

You must be having some difficulties in comprehending my messages, Ross.

And not just me. It's good that you have at last realized this.

When I said it is not indicating a trend, I meant it is not indicating a trend.

This is exactly as useful as "Papuan means Papuan".

Your knee-jerk response seems to be a creation of your own with little regard to what I wrote.

Well, it was what first came to mind. If that's not what you meant, you'll
need to do a better job of explaining.

Daud Deden

2017-11-07 22:37:24 UTC

Post by Daud Deden
Ross, Portug. Navig. Fernando Po's account described meeting Lusu women and getting the word IIRC.

Right. I figured it was him. Now all we need to know is where you
read this.

Post by Daud Deden
Cave<reverse>evac is not indicating a trend, but rather a syllable permutation that incidentally resulted in letter order reversal.

Ah. So you think "cave" has two syllables?

Well, do you or not?

***@Modern Amer. English = 1 syllable pronounced.

The word-strings are not an answer. If you think

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
"cave" has two syllables, you are obviously not listening (contrary to
your usual boasts).

Thank you.

If you don't, then what can you mean by "syllable

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
permutation"? Just shuffling letters around?

As in Hebrew & Arabic triliteral root shuffling to form related words.

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
And by "not indicating a trend" you mean you promise not to do it again?

You must be having some difficulties in comprehending my messages, Ross.

And not just me. It's good that you have at last realized this.

I expected it, as I've said before. How many Paleo-etymologists are there here?

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
When I said it is not indicating a trend, I meant it is not indicating a trend.
This is exactly as useful as "Papuan means Papuan".
Your knee-jerk response seems to be a creation of your own with little regard to what I wrote.
Well, it was what first came to mind. If that's not what you meant, you'll
need to do a better job of explaining.

Listen. There are patterns.

b***@ihug.co.nz

2017-11-07 22:43:38 UTC

Post by Daud Deden
Ross, Portug. Navig. Fernando Po's account described meeting Lusu women and getting the word IIRC.

Right. I figured it was him. Now all we need to know is where you
read this.

Post by Daud Deden
Cave<reverse>evac is not indicating a trend, but rather a syllable permutation that incidentally resulted in letter order reversal.

Ah. So you think "cave" has two syllables?

Well, do you or not?

The word-strings are not an answer. If you think

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
"cave" has two syllables, you are obviously not listening (contrary to
your usual boasts).

Thank you.
If you don't, then what can you mean by "syllable

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
permutation"? Just shuffling letters around?

As in Hebrew & Arabic triliteral root shuffling to form related words.

I'll take that as a "yes".

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
And by "not indicating a trend" you mean you promise not to do it again?

You must be having some difficulties in comprehending my messages, Ross.

And not just me. It's good that you have at last realized this.

I expected it, as I've said before. How many Paleo-etymologists are there here?

How many are there anywhere?

Listen. There are patterns.

That is not an explanation of what you meant by "not indicating a trend".

Daud Deden

2017-11-07 22:52:12 UTC

Post by Daud Deden
Ross, Portug. Navig. Fernando Po's account described meeting Lusu women and getting the word IIRC.

Right. I figured it was him. Now all we need to know is where you
read this.

Post by Daud Deden
Cave<reverse>evac is not indicating a trend, but rather a syllable permutation that incidentally resulted in letter order reversal.

Ah. So you think "cave" has two syllables?

Well, do you or not?

The word-strings are not an answer. If you think

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
"cave" has two syllables, you are obviously not listening (contrary to
your usual boasts).

Thank you.
If you don't, then what can you mean by "syllable

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
permutation"? Just shuffling letters around?

As in Hebrew & Arabic triliteral root shuffling to form related words.

I'll take that as a "yes".

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
And by "not indicating a trend" you mean you promise not to do it again?

You must be having some difficulties in comprehending my messages, Ross.

And not just me. It's good that you have at last realized this.

I expected it, as I've said before. How many Paleo-etymologists are there here?

How many are there anywhere?

Listen. There are patterns.

That is not an explanation of what you meant by "not indicating a trend".

There are patterns, generally indicated by word strings which link sounds and meanings in some way.

I noted that <reverse> did not necessarily mean it was deliberate (it seldom is, contra Franz & Carlos L.'s opinions). I noted that syllable permutation
may occur and may be significant, but later dropped it in this case because as I noted, I'd misread it. "not indicating a trend" resulted from this, IIRC.

Franz Gnaedinger

2017-11-08 08:02:25 UTC

Post by Daud Deden
There are patterns, generally indicated by word strings which link sounds and meanings in some way.
I noted that <reverse> did not necessarily mean it was deliberate (it seldom is, contra Franz & Carlos L.'s opinions). I noted that syllable permutation
may occur and may be significant, but later dropped it in this case because as I noted, I'd misread it. "not indicating a trend" resulted from this, IIRC.

If, as you claim, David and diode are akin, then also Daud and dead. You have
no method of deciding when similar sounds are semantically relevant and when
they are not. Early on I asked you whether you get your wisdom from above?
You said you'll answer that question later. Now the time has come. What have
David and a semiconductor in common? is that a divine inspiration?

Daud Deden

2017-11-08 13:42:59 UTC

Franz: "If, as you claim, David and diode are akin, then also Daud and dead".

Possibly, since dead is away, and hodos is a way/route. But then, vid is a way of seeing too. Needs further analysis.

Peter T. Daniels

2017-11-03 03:09:19 UTC

Post by Daud Deden
Ross, Portug. Navig. Fernando Po's account described meeting Lusu women and getting the word IIRC.

Right. I figured it was him. Now all we need to know is where you
read this.

Post by Daud Deden
Cave<reverse>evac is not indicating a trend, but rather a syllable permutation that incidentally resulted in letter order reversal.

Ah. So you think "cave" has two syllables?

He didn't reverse the syllables, but the letters (the phonemes) -- a task that
we know is difficult for people who haven't been taught an _alphabetic_ script.

Daud Deden

2017-11-02 23:15:37 UTC

Murky/milky/melug/lick.uid cf. Stalactites, galactic

ba might be dialect, it isn't Malay, where bag is bungkus.

b***@ihug.co.nz

2017-11-02 23:36:55 UTC

Post by Daud Deden
Murky/milky/melug/lick.uid cf. Stalactites, galactic
ba might be dialect, it isn't Malay, where bag is bungkus.

Yah, I guess it might be. And there might be a "Lusu" language
somewhere where the word for 'woman' is "guinea"....We'll never know.

Any student would get a failing grade for being as sloppy as you are
with data -- and providing no references.

Daud Deden

2017-11-03 11:54:47 UTC

..We'll never know.
-
Ross, I'll find it in a dusty cabinet in the back of my mind, got to let it float up.
-
Any student would get a failing grade for being as sloppy as you are
with data -- and providing no references.
-
Neo-etymologistic whitewash, fanboy approved but irrelevant to Paleo-etymologic research. References available upon request, of course most are anonymous since paleo-people did not have names & permanent addresses & dictionaries & computers. ;)

b***@ihug.co.nz

2017-11-03 21:00:19 UTC

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
..We'll never know.
-
Ross, I'll find it in a dusty cabinet in the back of my mind, got to let it float up.
-
Any student would get a failing grade for being as sloppy as you are
with data -- and providing no references.
-
Neo-etymologistic whitewash, fanboy approved but irrelevant to Paleo-etymologic research.

Clearly.

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
References available upon request,

My request for a reference on "Lusu/guinea" is still unanswered. You did
manage to remember F.de Pó's name, but I doubt it was a personal
communication from the old slaver. You must have read it somewhere.

of course most are anonymous since paleo-people did not have names & permanent addresses & dictionaries & computers. ;)

Of course. I'm not crazy enough to ask for a reference for *bulabulahulahula
etc., any more than I would for Franz's monosyllables.

Daud Deden

2017-11-04 18:20:33 UTC

Clearly.

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
References available upon request,

My request for a reference on "Lusu/guinea" is still unanswered.

No, Ross, the answer is:

"Ross, I'll find it in a dusty cabinet in the back of my mind, got to let it float up."

Patience is a virtue in Paleo-etymology.

You did

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
manage to remember F.de Pó's name, but I doubt it was a personal
communication from the old slaver. You must have read it somewhere.

Please cite any reference to Po being a slaver rather than the King's Navigator.

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Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
of course most are anonymous since paleo-people did not have names & permanent addresses & dictionaries & computers. ;)
Of course. I'm not crazy enough to ask for a reference for *bulabulahulahula
etc., any more than I would for Franz's monosyllables.

Good on you mate! You're learning. Names are not paleo-etymological, sounds are.

b***@ihug.co.nz

2017-11-05 06:52:01 UTC

Clearly.

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
References available upon request,

My request for a reference on "Lusu/guinea" is still unanswered.

"Ross, I'll find it in a dusty cabinet in the back of my mind, got to let it float up."
Patience is a virtue in Paleo-etymology.

As is an understanding of what "answer" and "on request" mean.

Post by Daud Deden
You did

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
manage to remember F.de Pó's name, but I doubt it was a personal
communication from the old slaver. You must have read it somewhere.

Please cite any reference to Po being a slaver rather than the King's Navigator.
-----------------------------------------------

John William Blake, Europeans in West Africa 1540-1560
(The Google Books copy does not seem to have any page numbers,
but if you search for "Fernand de les Vaux" you should find the
most interesting passage.)

Good on you mate! You're learning.

No, that's not learning. That's just common sense.

Names are not paleo-etymological, sounds are.

...whatever that may mean.

Daud Deden

2017-11-05 17:02:30 UTC

Clearly.

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
References available upon request,

My request for a reference on "Lusu/guinea" is still unanswered.

"Ross, I'll find it in a dusty cabinet in the back of my mind, got to let it float up."
Patience is a virtue in Paleo-etymology.

As is an understanding of what "answer" and "on request" mean.

Of course. If you want instant linguistic answers, ask Neo-etymologists easy questions, they'll google their dictionaries and have their answers in seconds, efficiently and very tidy.

Paleo-etymologists have a different timetable and entirely different system, which you seem to be unable to decipher even with my abundant assistance.

Post by Daud Deden
You did

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
manage to remember F.de Pó's name, but I doubt it was a personal
communication from the old slaver. You must have read it somewhere.

Please cite any reference to Po being a slaver rather than the King's Navigator.
-----------------------------------------------

Good on you mate! You're learning.

No, that's not learning. That's just common sense.

Common sense comes from learning.

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
Names are not paleo-etymological, sounds are.
...whatever that may mean.

Names are labels, sounds are not.

b***@ihug.co.nz

2017-11-05 20:04:08 UTC

Clearly.

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
References available upon request,

My request for a reference on "Lusu/guinea" is still unanswered.

"Ross, I'll find it in a dusty cabinet in the back of my mind, got to let it float up."
Patience is a virtue in Paleo-etymology.

As is an understanding of what "answer" and "on request" mean.

Of course. If you want instant linguistic answers, ask Neo-etymologists easy questions, they'll google their dictionaries and have their answers in seconds, efficiently and very tidy.

Actually most people who do research on anything will keep better notes or
have better memories than you.
But I'm willing to wait. Just don't try to make your delays into some kind of
paleo-virtue.

Post by Daud Deden
Paleo-etymologists have a different timetable and entirely different system, which you seem to be unable to decipher even with my abundant assistance.

Post by Daud Deden
You did

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
manage to remember F.de Pó's name, but I doubt it was a personal
communication from the old slaver. You must have read it somewhere.

Please cite any reference to Po being a slaver rather than the King's Navigator.
-----------------------------------------------

Good on you mate! You're learning.

No, that's not learning. That's just common sense.

Common sense comes from learning.

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
Names are not paleo-etymological, sounds are.
...whatever that may mean.

Names are labels, sounds are not.

No clearer.

Daud Deden

2017-11-07 22:40:05 UTC

Clearly.

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
References available upon request,

My request for a reference on "Lusu/guinea" is still unanswered.

"Ross, I'll find it in a dusty cabinet in the back of my mind, got to let it float up."
Patience is a virtue in Paleo-etymology.

As is an understanding of what "answer" and "on request" mean.

Of course. If you want instant linguistic answers, ask Neo-etymologists easy questions, they'll google their dictionaries and have their answers in seconds, efficiently and very tidy.

Actually most people who do research on anything will keep better notes or
have better memories than you.

Thank you. A compliment even better than your best. Go pick up your Nobel. I've got Paleo-etymological work to do.

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
But I'm willing to wait. Just don't try to make your delays into some kind of
paleo-virtue.

Post by Daud Deden
Paleo-etymologists have a different timetable and entirely different system, which you seem to be unable to decipher even with my abundant assistance.

Post by Daud Deden
You did

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
manage to remember F.de Pó's name, but I doubt it was a personal
communication from the old slaver. You must have read it somewhere.

Please cite any reference to Po being a slaver rather than the King's Navigator.
-----------------------------------------------

Good on you mate! You're learning.

No, that's not learning. That's just common sense.

Common sense comes from learning.

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
Names are not paleo-etymological, sounds are.
...whatever that may mean.

Names are labels, sounds are not.

No clearer.

Can't help you with the obvious, Ross.

Daud Deden

2019-06-18 21:40:24 UTC

Clearly.

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
References available upon request,

My request for a reference on "Lusu/guinea" is still unanswered.

"Ross, I'll find it in a dusty cabinet in the back of my mind, got to let it float up."
Patience is a virtue in Paleo-etymology.

As is an understanding of what "answer" and "on request" mean.

Post by Daud Deden
You did

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
manage to remember F.de Pó's name, but I doubt it was a personal
communication from the old slaver. You must have read it somewhere.

Please cite any reference to Po being a slaver rather than the King's Navigator.
-----------------------------------------------

Fernando Gomes or Fernando Poo? Both are mentioned.

Good on you mate! You're learning.

No, that's not learning. That's just common sense.
Names are not paleo-etymological, sounds are.
...whatever that may mean.

b***@ihug.co.nz

2019-06-18 23:53:39 UTC

Clearly.

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
References available upon request,

My request for a reference on "Lusu/guinea" is still unanswered.

"Ross, I'll find it in a dusty cabinet in the back of my mind, got to let it float up."
Patience is a virtue in Paleo-etymology.

As is an understanding of what "answer" and "on request" mean.

Post by Daud Deden
You did

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
manage to remember F.de Pó's name, but I doubt it was a personal
communication from the old slaver. You must have read it somewhere.

Please cite any reference to Po being a slaver rather than the King's Navigator.
-----------------------------------------------

Fernando Gomes or Fernando Poo? Both are mentioned.

It's Fernão do Po we were talking about -- identified as "Fernand
de les Vaux" in one French source that Blake quotes.

Elsewhere in the same book (still no page numbers for some reason):

"Then, in December, 1479, Fernão do Po, previously equipped with
information about the Benin coast, undertook a slaving voyage to
Rio dos Escravos to buy negroes which he afterwards sold at Mina."

Daud Deden

2019-06-19 01:24:06 UTC

Clearly.

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
References available upon request,

My request for a reference on "Lusu/guinea" is still unanswered.

"Ross, I'll find it in a dusty cabinet in the back of my mind, got to let it float up."
Patience is a virtue in Paleo-etymology.

As is an understanding of what "answer" and "on request" mean.

Post by Daud Deden
You did

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
manage to remember F.de Pó's name, but I doubt it was a personal
communication from the old slaver. You must have read it somewhere.

Please cite any reference to Po being a slaver rather than the King's Navigator.
-----------------------------------------------

Fernando Gomes or Fernando Poo? Both are mentioned.

It's Fernão do Po we were talking about -- identified as "Fernand
de les Vaux" in one French source that Blake quotes.

The problem is there are about 10 different name variations and apparently at least 2 "Fernando" or more.

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
"Then, in December, 1479, Fernão do Po, previously equipped with
information about the Benin coast, undertook a slaving voyage to
Rio dos Escravos to buy negroes which he afterwards sold at Mina."

1479?
Wasn't that much later? I agree there was slaving, but long after the initial exploration & contact with the Susu.

C. Columbus enslaved, but I don't think that was his original mission, and few would label him a "slaver".

b***@ihug.co.nz

2019-06-19 04:35:37 UTC

Clearly.

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
References available upon request,

My request for a reference on "Lusu/guinea" is still unanswered.

"Ross, I'll find it in a dusty cabinet in the back of my mind, got to let it float up."
Patience is a virtue in Paleo-etymology.

As is an understanding of what "answer" and "on request" mean.

Post by Daud Deden
You did

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
manage to remember F.de Pó's name, but I doubt it was a personal
communication from the old slaver. You must have read it somewhere.

Please cite any reference to Po being a slaver rather than the King's Navigator.
-----------------------------------------------

Fernando Gomes or Fernando Poo? Both are mentioned.

It's Fernão do Po we were talking about -- identified as "Fernand
de les Vaux" in one French source that Blake quotes.

The problem is there are about 10 different name variations and apparently at least 2 "Fernando" or more.

1479?
Wasn't that much later? I agree there was slaving, but long after the initial exploration & contact with the Susu.
C. Columbus enslaved, but I don't think that was his original mission, and few would label him a "slaver".

"The development of the slave trade also helped to finance the cost of the Portuguese voyages down the west coast of Africa after about 1442. The slaves
were originally obtained by raiding first the Touareg encampments along the Sahara littoral and then the Negro villages of the Senegal region....But after
a few years of contact with the Negro peoples of Senegambia and Upper Guinea,
the Portuguese realized that slaves could be obtained more easily by peaceful
barter with the local chiefs and merchants."

C.R.Boxer, The Portuguese Seaborne Empire 1415-1825

Daud Deden

2019-06-19 05:12:59 UTC

Clearly.

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
References available upon request,

My request for a reference on "Lusu/guinea" is still unanswered.

"Ross, I'll find it in a dusty cabinet in the back of my mind, got to let it float up."
Patience is a virtue in Paleo-etymology.

As is an understanding of what "answer" and "on request" mean.

Post by Daud Deden
You did

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
manage to remember F.de Pó's name, but I doubt it was a personal
communication from the old slaver. You must have read it somewhere.

Please cite any reference to Po being a slaver rather than the King's Navigator.
-----------------------------------------------

Fernando Gomes or Fernando Poo? Both are mentioned.

It's Fernão do Po we were talking about -- identified as "Fernand
de les Vaux" in one French source that Blake quotes.

The problem is there are about 10 different name variations and apparently at least 2 "Fernando" or more.

1479?
Wasn't that much later? I agree there was slaving, but long after the initial exploration & contact with the Susu.
C. Columbus enslaved, but I don't think that was his original mission, and few would label him a "slaver".

"The development of the slave trade also helped to finance the cost of the Portuguese voyages down the west coast of Africa after about 1442. The slaves
were originally obtained by raiding first the Touareg encampments along the Sahara littoral and then the Negro villages of the Senegal region....But after
a few years of contact with the Negro peoples of Senegambia and Upper Guinea,
the Portuguese realized that slaves could be obtained more easily by peaceful
barter with the local chiefs and merchants."
C.R.Boxer, The Portuguese Seaborne Empire 1415-1825

I agree there was slaving *by Po*, but that was after the initial exploration & contact with the Susu women. Slavery certainly preceded his voyages.

Daud Deden

2019-06-19 05:35:19 UTC

Clearly.

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
References available upon request,

My request for a reference on "Lusu/guinea" is still unanswered.

"Ross, I'll find it in a dusty cabinet in the back of my mind, got to let it float up."
Patience is a virtue in Paleo-etymology.

As is an understanding of what "answer" and "on request" mean.

Post by Daud Deden
You did

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
manage to remember F.de Pó's name, but I doubt it was a personal
communication from the old slaver. You must have read it somewhere.

Please cite any reference to Po being a slaver rather than the King's Navigator.
-----------------------------------------------

Fernando Gomes or Fernando Poo? Both are mentioned.

It's Fernão do Po we were talking about -- identified as "Fernand
de les Vaux" in one French source that Blake quotes.

The problem is there are about 10 different name variations and apparently at least 2 "Fernando" or more.

1479?
Wasn't that much later? I agree there was slaving, but long after the initial exploration & contact with the Susu.
C. Columbus enslaved, but I don't think that was his original mission, and few would label him a "slaver".

"The development of the slave trade also helped to finance the cost of the Portuguese voyages down the west coast of Africa after about 1442. The slaves
were originally obtained by raiding first the Touareg encampments along the Sahara littoral and then the Negro villages of the Senegal region....But after
a few years of contact with the Negro peoples of Senegambia and Upper Guinea,
the Portuguese realized that slaves could be obtained more easily by peaceful
barter with the local chiefs and merchants."
C.R.Boxer, The Portuguese Seaborne Empire 1415-1825

I agree there was slaving *by Po*, but that was after the initial exploration & contact with the Susu women. Slavery certainly preceded his voyages.

-

Perhaps one of these?

In Quest of Susu | History in Africa | Cambridge Core
Cambridge University Press › core › article
by S Bühnen · 1994 · Cited by 29
May 13, 2014 · In Quest of Susu - Volume 21 - Stephan Bühnen. ... Gomes, Diogo, De la première découverte: récit par Diogo Gomes, ed. Monod, T ...
A Commentary on Duarte Pacheco Pereira's Account of the Lower ...
JSTOR › stable
by JD Fage · 1980 · Cited by 28
In the manner of Diogo Gomes and Cadamosto before him,. Fernandes ..... 54. J.D. FAGE them with the Soso (Susu , Sousou), a Mande-speaking people of.

Daud Deden

2019-06-19 06:00:55 UTC

Clearly.

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
References available upon request,

My request for a reference on "Lusu/guinea" is still unanswered.

"Ross, I'll find it in a dusty cabinet in the back of my mind, got to let it float up."
Patience is a virtue in Paleo-etymology.

As is an understanding of what "answer" and "on request" mean.

Post by Daud Deden
You did

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
manage to remember F.de Pó's name, but I doubt it was a personal
communication from the old slaver. You must have read it somewhere.

Please cite any reference to Po being a slaver rather than the King's Navigator.
-----------------------------------------------

Fernando Gomes or Fernando Poo? Both are mentioned.

It's Fernão do Po we were talking about -- identified as "Fernand
de les Vaux" in one French source that Blake quotes.

The problem is there are about 10 different name variations and apparently at least 2 "Fernando" or more.

1479?
Wasn't that much later? I agree there was slaving, but long after the initial exploration & contact with the Susu.
C. Columbus enslaved, but I don't think that was his original mission, and few would label him a "slaver".

"The development of the slave trade also helped to finance the cost of the Portuguese voyages down the west coast of Africa after about 1442. The slaves
were originally obtained by raiding first the Touareg encampments along the Sahara littoral and then the Negro villages of the Senegal region....But after
a few years of contact with the Negro peoples of Senegambia and Upper Guinea,
the Portuguese realized that slaves could be obtained more easily by peaceful
barter with the local chiefs and merchants."
C.R.Boxer, The Portuguese Seaborne Empire 1415-1825

I agree there was slaving *by Po*, but that was after the initial exploration & contact with the Susu women. Slavery certainly preceded his voyages.

-
Perhaps one of these?
In Quest of Susu | History in Africa | Cambridge Core
Cambridge University Press › core › article
by S Bühnen · 1994 · Cited by 29
May 13, 2014 · In Quest of Susu - Volume 21 - Stephan Bühnen. ... Gomes, Diogo, De la première découverte: récit par Diogo Gomes, ed. Monod, T ...
A Commentary on Duarte Pacheco Pereira's Account of the Lower ...
JSTOR › stable
by JD Fage · 1980 · Cited by 28
In the manner of Diogo Gomes and Cadamosto before him,. Fernandes ..... 54. J.D. FAGE them with the Soso (Susu , Sousou), a Mande-speaking people of.

I suspect an article by Antonio Baiao was my source.

http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/AfricanStudies/AfricanStudies-idx?type=turn&entity=AfricanStudies.Fage01.p0038&id=AfricanStudies.Fage01&isize=M

b***@ihug.co.nz

2019-06-19 11:24:57 UTC

Clearly.

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
References available upon request,

My request for a reference on "Lusu/guinea" is still unanswered.

"Ross, I'll find it in a dusty cabinet in the back of my mind, got to let it float up."
Patience is a virtue in Paleo-etymology.

As is an understanding of what "answer" and "on request" mean.

Post by Daud Deden
You did

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
manage to remember F.de Pó's name, but I doubt it was a personal
communication from the old slaver. You must have read it somewhere.

Please cite any reference to Po being a slaver rather than the King's Navigator.
-----------------------------------------------

Fernando Gomes or Fernando Poo? Both are mentioned.

It's Fernão do Po we were talking about -- identified as "Fernand
de les Vaux" in one French source that Blake quotes.

The problem is there are about 10 different name variations and apparently at least 2 "Fernando" or more.

1479?
Wasn't that much later? I agree there was slaving, but long after the initial exploration & contact with the Susu.
C. Columbus enslaved, but I don't think that was his original mission, and few would label him a "slaver".

"The development of the slave trade also helped to finance the cost of the Portuguese voyages down the west coast of Africa after about 1442. The slaves
were originally obtained by raiding first the Touareg encampments along the Sahara littoral and then the Negro villages of the Senegal region....But after
a few years of contact with the Negro peoples of Senegambia and Upper Guinea,
the Portuguese realized that slaves could be obtained more easily by peaceful
barter with the local chiefs and merchants."
C.R.Boxer, The Portuguese Seaborne Empire 1415-1825

I agree there was slaving *by Po*, but that was after the initial exploration & contact with the Susu women. Slavery certainly preceded his voyages.

-
Perhaps one of these?
In Quest of Susu | History in Africa | Cambridge Core
Cambridge University Press › core › article
by S Bühnen · 1994 · Cited by 29
May 13, 2014 · In Quest of Susu - Volume 21 - Stephan Bühnen. ... Gomes, Diogo, De la première découverte: récit par Diogo Gomes, ed. Monod, T ...
A Commentary on Duarte Pacheco Pereira's Account of the Lower ...
JSTOR › stable
by JD Fage · 1980 · Cited by 28
In the manner of Diogo Gomes and Cadamosto before him,. Fernandes ..... 54. J.D. FAGE them with the Soso (Susu , Sousou), a Mande-speaking people of.

I suspect an article by Antonio Baiao was my source.
http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/AfricanStudies/AfricanStudies-idx?type=turn&entity=AfricanStudies.Fage01.p0038&id=AfricanStudies.Fage01&isize=M

So you (sort of) cite a 1940 book by A.B. in Portuguese.
What is the point of all this?
Apart from the peripheral matter of slave-trading, the only unresolved
issue from 2017 was whether the geographical name "Guinea" came from
the Lusu (later Susu) word for "woman". IIRC you did provide some
evidence that present-day speakers of Susu like to tell this story,
and may even believe it. But you seemed to think you had read some
15/16C. voyager's account which clearly showed this origin. So far we
have nothing like that.

António Marques

2019-06-19 13:15:06 UTC

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
..We'll never know.
-
Ross, I'll find it in a dusty cabinet in the back of my mind, got to let it
float up.
-
Any student would get a failing grade for being as sloppy as you are
with data -- and providing no references.
-
Neo-etymologistic whitewash, fanboy approved but irrelevant to
Paleo-etymologic research.

Clearly.

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
References available upon request,

My request for a reference on "Lusu/guinea" is still unanswered.

"Ross, I'll find it in a dusty cabinet in the back of my mind,
got to let it float up."
Patience is a virtue in Paleo-etymology.

As is an understanding of what "answer" and "on request" mean.

Post by Daud Deden
You did

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
manage to remember F.de Pó's name, but I doubt it was a personal
communication from the old slaver. You must have read it somewhere.

Please cite any reference to Po being a slaver rather than the King's Navigator.
-----------------------------------------------

Fernando Gomes or Fernando Poo? Both are mentioned.

It's Fernão do Po we were talking about -- identified as "Fernand
de les Vaux" in one French source that Blake quotes.

The problem is there are about 10 different name variations and
apparently at least 2 "Fernando" or more.

1479?
Wasn't that much later? I agree there was slaving, but long after
the initial exploration & contact with the Susu.
C. Columbus enslaved, but I don't think that was his original
mission, and few would label him a "slaver".

"The development of the slave trade also helped to finance the cost
of the Portuguese voyages down the west coast of Africa after about 1442. The slaves
were originally obtained by raiding first the Touareg encampments
along the Sahara littoral and then the Negro villages of the Senegal
region....But after
a few years of contact with the Negro
peoples of Senegambia and Upper Guinea,
the Portuguese realized that slaves could be obtained more easily by peaceful
barter with the local chiefs and merchants."
C.R.Boxer, The Portuguese Seaborne Empire 1415-1825

I agree there was slaving *by Po*, but that was after the initial
exploration & contact with the Susu women. Slavery certainly preceded his voyages.

-
Perhaps one of these?
In Quest of Susu | History in Africa | Cambridge Core
Cambridge University Press › core › article
by S Bühnen · 1994 · Cited by 29
May 13, 2014 · In Quest of Susu - Volume 21 - Stephan Bühnen. ...
Gomes, Diogo, De la première découverte: récit par Diogo Gomes, ed. Monod, T ...
A Commentary on Duarte Pacheco Pereira's Account of the Lower ...
JSTOR › stable
by JD Fage · 1980 · Cited by 28
In the manner of Diogo Gomes and Cadamosto before him,. Fernandes .....
54. J.D. FAGE them with the Soso (Susu , Sousou), a Mande-speaking people of.

I suspect an article by Antonio Baiao was my source.
http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/AfricanStudies/AfricanStudies-idx?type=turn&entity=AfricanStudies.Fage01.p0038&id=AfricanStudies.Fage01&isize=M

Has he already made short work of the quite older Catalan atlas?

Daud Deden

2019-06-21 01:30:09 UTC

Clearly.

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
References available upon request,

My request for a reference on "Lusu/guinea" is still unanswered.

"Ross, I'll find it in a dusty cabinet in the back of my mind, got to let it float up."
Patience is a virtue in Paleo-etymology.

As is an understanding of what "answer" and "on request" mean.

Post by Daud Deden
You did

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
manage to remember F.de Pó's name, but I doubt it was a personal
communication from the old slaver. You must have read it somewhere.

Please cite any reference to Po being a slaver rather than the King's Navigator.
-----------------------------------------------

Fernando Gomes or Fernando Poo? Both are mentioned.

It's Fernão do Po we were talking about -- identified as "Fernand
de les Vaux" in one French source that Blake quotes.

The problem is there are about 10 different name variations and apparently at least 2 "Fernando" or more.

1479?
Wasn't that much later? I agree there was slaving, but long after the initial exploration & contact with the Susu.
C. Columbus enslaved, but I don't think that was his original mission, and few would label him a "slaver".

"The development of the slave trade also helped to finance the cost of the Portuguese voyages down the west coast of Africa after about 1442. The slaves
were originally obtained by raiding first the Touareg encampments along the Sahara littoral and then the Negro villages of the Senegal region....But after
a few years of contact with the Negro peoples of Senegambia and Upper Guinea,
the Portuguese realized that slaves could be obtained more easily by peaceful
barter with the local chiefs and merchants."
C.R.Boxer, The Portuguese Seaborne Empire 1415-1825

I agree there was slaving *by Po*, but that was after the initial exploration & contact with the Susu women. Slavery certainly preceded his voyages.

-
Perhaps one of these?
In Quest of Susu | History in Africa | Cambridge Core
Cambridge University Press › core › article
by S Bühnen · 1994 · Cited by 29
May 13, 2014 · In Quest of Susu - Volume 21 - Stephan Bühnen. ... Gomes, Diogo, De la première découverte: récit par Diogo Gomes, ed. Monod, T ...
A Commentary on Duarte Pacheco Pereira's Account of the Lower ...
JSTOR › stable
by JD Fage · 1980 · Cited by 28
In the manner of Diogo Gomes and Cadamosto before him,. Fernandes ..... 54. J.D. FAGE them with the Soso (Susu , Sousou), a Mande-speaking people of.

I suspect an article by Antonio Baiao was my source.
http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/AfricanStudies/AfricanStudies-idx?type=turn&entity=AfricanStudies.Fage01.p0038&id=AfricanStudies.Fage01&isize=M

Finding the article, even if I recalled it wrong, would be like removing a thorn from a sole.

There is a clear link between fertile female and fertile farmland.

b***@ihug.co.nz

2019-06-21 11:53:26 UTC

Clearly.

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
References available upon request,

My request for a reference on "Lusu/guinea" is still unanswered.

"Ross, I'll find it in a dusty cabinet in the back of my mind, got to let it float up."
Patience is a virtue in Paleo-etymology.

As is an understanding of what "answer" and "on request" mean.

Post by Daud Deden
You did

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
manage to remember F.de Pó's name, but I doubt it was a personal
communication from the old slaver. You must have read it somewhere.

Please cite any reference to Po being a slaver rather than the King's Navigator.
-----------------------------------------------

Fernando Gomes or Fernando Poo? Both are mentioned.

It's Fernão do Po we were talking about -- identified as "Fernand
de les Vaux" in one French source that Blake quotes.

The problem is there are about 10 different name variations and apparently at least 2 "Fernando" or more.

1479?
Wasn't that much later? I agree there was slaving, but long after the initial exploration & contact with the Susu.
C. Columbus enslaved, but I don't think that was his original mission, and few would label him a "slaver".

"The development of the slave trade also helped to finance the cost of the Portuguese voyages down the west coast of Africa after about 1442. The slaves
were originally obtained by raiding first the Touareg encampments along the Sahara littoral and then the Negro villages of the Senegal region....But after
a few years of contact with the Negro peoples of Senegambia and Upper Guinea,
the Portuguese realized that slaves could be obtained more easily by peaceful
barter with the local chiefs and merchants."
C.R.Boxer, The Portuguese Seaborne Empire 1415-1825

I agree there was slaving *by Po*, but that was after the initial exploration & contact with the Susu women. Slavery certainly preceded his voyages.

-
Perhaps one of these?
In Quest of Susu | History in Africa | Cambridge Core
Cambridge University Press › core › article
by S Bühnen · 1994 · Cited by 29
May 13, 2014 · In Quest of Susu - Volume 21 - Stephan Bühnen. ... Gomes, Diogo, De la première découverte: récit par Diogo Gomes, ed. Monod, T ...
A Commentary on Duarte Pacheco Pereira's Account of the Lower ...
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by JD Fage · 1980 · Cited by 28
In the manner of Diogo Gomes and Cadamosto before him,. Fernandes ..... 54. J.D. FAGE them with the Soso (Susu , Sousou), a Mande-speaking people of.

I suspect an article by Antonio Baiao was my source.
http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/AfricanStudies/AfricanStudies-idx?type=turn&entity=AfricanStudies.Fage01.p0038&id=AfricanStudies.Fage01&isize=M

Finding the article, even if I recalled it wrong, would be like removing a thorn from a sole.

And you wouldn't want to do that...?

Post by Daud Deden
There is a clear link between fertile female and fertile farmland.

So the use of the same word in English would suggest. That platitude,
however, will not buy you much in the world of real etymology.

Peter T. Daniels

2019-06-21 12:35:06 UTC

Post by Daud Deden
Finding the article, even if I recalled it wrong, would be like removing a thorn from a sole.

And you wouldn't want to do that...?

You'd want to check with Mr Androcles about that.

NB: Many scores of lines of dross deleted.

Post by Daud Deden
There is a clear link between fertile female and fertile farmland.

So the use of the same word in English would suggest. That platitude,
however, will not buy you much in the world of real etymology.

António Marques

2019-06-21 12:42:57 UTC

Post by Daud Deden
Finding the article, even if I recalled it wrong, would be like
removing a thorn from a sole.

And you wouldn't want to do that...?

You'd want to check with Mr Androcles about that.

I once took a thorn from a cat's paw and he wasn't impressed.

Daud Deden

2019-06-21 19:31:08 UTC

Post by AntÃ³nio Marques

Post by Daud Deden
Finding the article, even if I recalled it wrong, would be like
removing a thorn from a sole.

And you wouldn't want to do that...?

You'd want to check with Mr Androcles about that.

I once took a thorn from a cat's paw and he wasn't impressed.

He would be very impressed if you were to put it back again.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/19/corsica-cat-fox-officially-recognised-as-new-species-10011197/

António Marques

2019-06-22 01:08:55 UTC

Post by AntÃ³nio Marques

Post by Daud Deden
Finding the article, even if I recalled it wrong, would be like
removing a thorn from a sole.

And you wouldn't want to do that...?

You'd want to check with Mr Androcles about that.

I once took a thorn from a cat's paw and he wasn't impressed.

He would be very impressed if you were to put it back again.

Rotfl. I suppose so. I don't think I'd have the dexterity to do it.

Post by Daud Deden
https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/19/corsica-cat-fox-officially-recognised-as-new-species-10011197/

Is this The Onion?
I would translate ghjattu volpe as foxcat.

Daud Deden

2019-06-21 19:34:46 UTC

Post by Daud Deden
Finding the article, even if I recalled it wrong, would be like removing a thorn from a sole.

And you wouldn't want to do that...?

You'd want to check with Mr Androcles about that.
NB: Many scores of lines of dross deleted.

Dross is a mass of solid impurities floating on a molten metal or dispersed in the metal, such as in wrought iron. It forms on the surface of low-melting-point metals such as tin, lead, zinc or aluminium or alloys by oxidation of the metal.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gloss
Gloss definition is - a surface luster or brightness : shine.
cf glaze, glassy

Lines are scores upon the surface of glass.