Post by BobPost by Cloud HobbitNow we can move on to something real.
Nobody can prove that God exists. He makes Himself known
only to those He has chosen, before He created anything.
How convenient. Nobody can prove God exists because he doesn't.
Your idiotic belief in election is bullshit.
No wonder there are so few Calvinists.
http://www.examiningcalvinism.com/files/Articles/elect.html
Even the crazy fundies want nothing to do with your imaginary bullshit. Jesus is the Elect of the Father, and believers are merely piggybacking on Jesus’ election. Yes, believers are elect, but only insomuch as being identified with Christ, as the Bride of Christ, as the Body of Christ, and in Christ. It is only our identification with Jesus that makes us elect with Christ. Another way to understand it is through Abraham. It is true that a Jew belongs to the chosen race, but only insomuch as piggybacking from Abraham, all based upon God’s promise to Abraham. We are elect, in the same way, based upon God’s eternal plan to make Jesus Christ, His Son, the place of grace.
The elect are not the whosoever-wills.
The non-elect are not the whosoever wont’s.
The elect are the whosoever-has. (Romans 8:1, 33)
The non-elect are the whosoever hasn’t. (John 3:18)
Romans 8:33-34: “Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies; who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.”
Romans 8:1: “Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.”
Question: Who are “God’s elect”?
Answer: The elect are those who are “in Christ Jesus.”
Calvinists believe that the reason why God created all living beings was for the purpose of making a demonstration of His various attributes, and in so doing, had eternally decided to create an Upper Caste of men and angels for the express purpose of demonstrating His loving attributes, while also creating a corresponding Lower Caste of men and angels to embody His attributes of hate, wrath an eternal condemnation. The Upper Caste is denoted by Calvinists as “the elect,” which I often clarify as the “Calvinistically elect,” since I do not believe that it accurately represents the biblical teaching of who God’s elect really are. Jesus is the Elect One, and His body, the Church, is “elect” insomuch that it is an extension of Himself, which is why Christians are referred to as being “in Christ Jesus.”
Lawrence Vance explains: “There is no such animal as an ‘elect unregenerate’ child of God.” (The Other Side of Calvinism, p.336, emphasis mine)
Calvinists believe that the reason why God created all living beings was for the purpose of making a demonstration of His various attributes, and in so doing, had eternally decided to create an Upper Caste of men and angels for the express purpose of demonstrating His loving attributes, while also creating a corresponding Lower Caste of men and angels to embody His attributes of hate, wrath an eternal condemnation. The Upper Caste is denoted by Calvinists as “the elect,” which I often clarify as the “Calvinistically elect,” since I do not believe that it accurately represents the biblical teaching of who God’s elect really are. Jesus is the Elect One, and His body, the Church, is “elect” insomuch that it is an extension of Himself, which is why Christians are referred to as being “in Christ Jesus.”
Lawrence Vance explains: “There is no such animal as an ‘elect unregenerate’ child of God.” (The Other Side of Calvinism, p.336, emphasis mine)
Calvinist, Mark Kielar, explains: “Forget about the fact of whether I am elect or not. ‘Maybe I’m not elect?’ Forget about that, because regardless of any of that, God commands all men, everywhere, to repent and believe.” (How Do I know If I’m One of God’s Elect?)
First of all, this exactly what Spurgeon recommended for doubting Calvinists. Just forget about Calvinism, and take on the same approach as Arminians, by just focusing on Jesus and repentance. Second of all, what is the point of telling all men, everywhere, to repent and believe, if Jesus didn’t die for all men, everywhere? By telling them to repent and believe, you are implying that God loves them, and Jesus died for them, and is willing to receive their repentance. So that wipes out Limited Atonement.
Calvinist, Mark Kielar, adds: “Cry to God for converting grace.” (How Do I know If I’m One of God’s Elect?)
So what happened to Calvinistic Monergism? Also, by Calvinistic standards, can one cry out for Irresistible Grace, without already having it? (This is how Calvinism constantly tortures logic.) So instead of confessing your sins and believing that God raised Jesus from the dead (as per Romans 10:9-10), the Calvinist method is to beg for Irresistible Grace. I conclude that Calvinism doesn’t do anyone, any bit of good. I’ve even heard Calvinists recommend that people should believe like Calvinists but live like Arminians. Well how about just believing and living like Arminians? Calvinists need works as a way to personally affirm a secret election. The peril of Calvinism is that it turns your mind from Christ, and over to secret decrees, a secret draft and begging for Irresistible Grace, all of which has the effect of making God’s grace more unlikely, than likely.
In short, you are full of shit even more than the usual theist.
Post by BobThinking He can be proven to exist shows how little you know.
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Thinking you could be one of the elect shows how deep is your psychosis.