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Saving Hope: the finale (with spoilers)
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Robin Miller
2017-08-11 00:54:03 UTC
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I really liked this show. I'm not sure why I decided to try it, maybe
because I've often enjoyed medical shows, maybe because I was curious to
see Michael Shanks in a different role after Stargate. For whatever
reason, I tried it, and I liked it, and I watched it religiously. I was
pissed that NBC crapped out during the first season and didn't even
broadcast the last few episodes, making them available only on their
website. I tried tunneling in to the CTV website during season two using
a VPN but the results weren't satisfactory, so I decided to wait for an
American channel to pick it up. I was surprised that it took as long as
it did, and then Ion waited a full year before actually scheduling the show.

I liked the characters, I liked their personal dramas, I liked the
medical cases, I did ship Charlie and Alex, and I didn't mind too much
that sometimes characters just disappeared without acknowledgement.
(Where'd you go, Dr. Reycraft?)

The ending was not what I expected. Since the next-to-last ("penultime")
episode set up incoming mass casualties, I expected the final episode to
show the team working madly to try to save everyone, succeeding often
but not always, and then end with the team taking a breather at the end
of the day, knowing that they had to come back in the morning and face
another day's challenges. And with Alex and Charlie finally getting
married along the way.

Instead, Charlie died, and at first I was upset. That was not what I
wanted. I like happy endings; I don't need death or tragedy to feel
satisfied. But I was not to be given what I wanted and expected.
Instead, the episode focused almost solely on bringing the series full
circle, and telling us that Charlie could have died, maybe should have
died, in the opening episode, but instead he and Alex were given five
more years (not all of it spent together) to life their lives, have two
children, and finally have their long-delayed wedding.

The ending was essentially identical to the ending in Medium, with the
husband dying young, the wife dying old (with family nearby), and the
two of them meeting in the afterlife in the final scene, about to spend
the rest of their existence together after lives well-lived.

It was interesting to see Erica Durance non-pregnant in the afterlife
scene. It was necessary, of course, and presumably explains why there
was a four-week hiatus in the broadcast schedule near the end of the season.

I was disappointed that Maggie didn't return for the finale. Did the
actress have another engagement? I liked that her character was given a
send-off, and I liked that she ended up with Dr. Katz. I didn't
understand why Cassie was given a send-off, as she was not an important,
or even particularly likable, character. I thought it was a little
curious that they brought back Jeremy, who was a short-timer on the
show, but didn't acknowledge, at least through flashbacks, the important
characters that had left the show (Gavin and Joel). But I suppose the
final episode was devoted to bringing closure to Alex and Charlie's
story and not to memorializing the show as a whole.

Ultimately I decided that I liked the ending, having accepted the
showrunner's intent, and thought it was well-done. I will miss the show
and the characters. It was one of my favorites over its lifetime.

--Robin
Horace LaBadie
2017-08-11 02:01:01 UTC
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Post by Robin Miller
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I really liked this show. I'm not sure why I decided to try it, maybe
because I've often enjoyed medical shows, maybe because I was curious to
see Michael Shanks in a different role after Stargate. For whatever
reason, I tried it, and I liked it, and I watched it religiously. I was
pissed that NBC crapped out during the first season and didn't even
broadcast the last few episodes, making them available only on their
website. I tried tunneling in to the CTV website during season two using
a VPN but the results weren't satisfactory, so I decided to wait for an
American channel to pick it up. I was surprised that it took as long as
it did, and then Ion waited a full year before actually scheduling the show.
I liked the characters, I liked their personal dramas, I liked the
medical cases, I did ship Charlie and Alex, and I didn't mind too much
that sometimes characters just disappeared without acknowledgement.
(Where'd you go, Dr. Reycraft?)
The ending was not what I expected. Since the next-to-last ("penultime")
episode set up incoming mass casualties, I expected the final episode to
show the team working madly to try to save everyone, succeeding often
but not always, and then end with the team taking a breather at the end
of the day, knowing that they had to come back in the morning and face
another day's challenges. And with Alex and Charlie finally getting
married along the way.
I've been expecting this for a while, and the sudden diversion to the
accident scene was no surprise to me. After that, it was just a matter
of timing.

And, of course, the recap on the Previouslies kept going back to his
first crash.
Post by Robin Miller
Instead, Charlie died, and at first I was upset. That was not what I
wanted. I like happy endings; I don't need death or tragedy to feel
satisfied. But I was not to be given what I wanted and expected.
Instead, the episode focused almost solely on bringing the series full
circle, and telling us that Charlie could have died, maybe should have
died, in the opening episode, but instead he and Alex were given five
more years (not all of it spent together) to life their lives, have two
children, and finally have their long-delayed wedding.
The ending was essentially identical to the ending in Medium, with the
husband dying young, the wife dying old (with family nearby), and the
two of them meeting in the afterlife in the final scene, about to spend
the rest of their existence together after lives well-lived.
It was interesting to see Erica Durance non-pregnant in the afterlife
scene. It was necessary, of course, and presumably explains why there
was a four-week hiatus in the broadcast schedule near the end of the season.
I was disappointed that Maggie didn't return for the finale. Did the
actress have another engagement? I liked that her character was given a
send-off, and I liked that she ended up with Dr. Katz. I didn't
understand why Cassie was given a send-off, as she was not an important,
or even particularly likable, character. I thought it was a little
curious that they brought back Jeremy, who was a short-timer on the
show, but didn't acknowledge, at least through flashbacks, the important
characters that had left the show (Gavin and Joel). But I suppose the
final episode was devoted to bringing closure to Alex and Charlie's
story and not to memorializing the show as a whole.
Ultimately I decided that I liked the ending, having accepted the
showrunner's intent, and thought it was well-done. I will miss the show
and the characters. It was one of my favorites over its lifetime.
--Robin
My only question:

Does Charlie get kicked out of the afterlife by the other Ascended
Beings?
Robin Miller
2017-08-11 02:21:37 UTC
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Post by Horace LaBadie
Post by Robin Miller
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I really liked this show. I'm not sure why I decided to try it, maybe
because I've often enjoyed medical shows, maybe because I was curious to
see Michael Shanks in a different role after Stargate. For whatever
reason, I tried it, and I liked it, and I watched it religiously. I was
pissed that NBC crapped out during the first season and didn't even
broadcast the last few episodes, making them available only on their
website. I tried tunneling in to the CTV website during season two using
a VPN but the results weren't satisfactory, so I decided to wait for an
American channel to pick it up. I was surprised that it took as long as
it did, and then Ion waited a full year before actually scheduling the show.
I liked the characters, I liked their personal dramas, I liked the
medical cases, I did ship Charlie and Alex, and I didn't mind too much
that sometimes characters just disappeared without acknowledgement.
(Where'd you go, Dr. Reycraft?)
The ending was not what I expected. Since the next-to-last ("penultime")
episode set up incoming mass casualties, I expected the final episode to
show the team working madly to try to save everyone, succeeding often
but not always, and then end with the team taking a breather at the end
of the day, knowing that they had to come back in the morning and face
another day's challenges. And with Alex and Charlie finally getting
married along the way.
I've been expecting this for a while, and the sudden diversion to the
accident scene was no surprise to me. After that, it was just a matter
of timing.
And, of course, the recap on the Previouslies kept going back to his
first crash.
Post by Robin Miller
Instead, Charlie died, and at first I was upset. That was not what I
wanted. I like happy endings; I don't need death or tragedy to feel
satisfied. But I was not to be given what I wanted and expected.
Instead, the episode focused almost solely on bringing the series full
circle, and telling us that Charlie could have died, maybe should have
died, in the opening episode, but instead he and Alex were given five
more years (not all of it spent together) to life their lives, have two
children, and finally have their long-delayed wedding.
The ending was essentially identical to the ending in Medium, with the
husband dying young, the wife dying old (with family nearby), and the
two of them meeting in the afterlife in the final scene, about to spend
the rest of their existence together after lives well-lived.
It was interesting to see Erica Durance non-pregnant in the afterlife
scene. It was necessary, of course, and presumably explains why there
was a four-week hiatus in the broadcast schedule near the end of the season.
I was disappointed that Maggie didn't return for the finale. Did the
actress have another engagement? I liked that her character was given a
send-off, and I liked that she ended up with Dr. Katz. I didn't
understand why Cassie was given a send-off, as she was not an important,
or even particularly likable, character. I thought it was a little
curious that they brought back Jeremy, who was a short-timer on the
show, but didn't acknowledge, at least through flashbacks, the important
characters that had left the show (Gavin and Joel). But I suppose the
final episode was devoted to bringing closure to Alex and Charlie's
story and not to memorializing the show as a whole.
Ultimately I decided that I liked the ending, having accepted the
showrunner's intent, and thought it was well-done. I will miss the show
and the characters. It was one of my favorites over its lifetime.
--Robin
Does Charlie get kicked out of the afterlife by the other Ascended
Beings?
He might have a problem with that one that tried to convince Charlie
that he was innocent of the murder he did commit. But the others would
probably come to Charlie's defense.

--Robin
anim8rfsk
2017-08-11 02:24:28 UTC
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Post by Horace LaBadie
Post by Robin Miller
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I really liked this show. I'm not sure why I decided to try it, maybe
because I've often enjoyed medical shows, maybe because I was curious to
see Michael Shanks in a different role after Stargate. For whatever
reason, I tried it, and I liked it, and I watched it religiously. I was
pissed that NBC crapped out during the first season and didn't even
broadcast the last few episodes, making them available only on their
website. I tried tunneling in to the CTV website during season two using
a VPN but the results weren't satisfactory, so I decided to wait for an
American channel to pick it up. I was surprised that it took as long as
it did, and then Ion waited a full year before actually scheduling the show.
I liked the characters, I liked their personal dramas, I liked the
medical cases, I did ship Charlie and Alex, and I didn't mind too much
that sometimes characters just disappeared without acknowledgement.
(Where'd you go, Dr. Reycraft?)
The ending was not what I expected. Since the next-to-last ("penultime")
episode set up incoming mass casualties, I expected the final episode to
show the team working madly to try to save everyone, succeeding often
but not always, and then end with the team taking a breather at the end
of the day, knowing that they had to come back in the morning and face
another day's challenges. And with Alex and Charlie finally getting
married along the way.
I've been expecting this for a while, and the sudden diversion to the
accident scene was no surprise to me. After that, it was just a matter
of timing.
And, of course, the recap on the Previouslies kept going back to his
first crash.
Post by Robin Miller
Instead, Charlie died, and at first I was upset. That was not what I
wanted. I like happy endings; I don't need death or tragedy to feel
satisfied. But I was not to be given what I wanted and expected.
Instead, the episode focused almost solely on bringing the series full
circle, and telling us that Charlie could have died, maybe should have
died, in the opening episode, but instead he and Alex were given five
more years (not all of it spent together) to life their lives, have two
children, and finally have their long-delayed wedding.
The ending was essentially identical to the ending in Medium, with the
husband dying young, the wife dying old (with family nearby), and the
two of them meeting in the afterlife in the final scene, about to spend
the rest of their existence together after lives well-lived.
It was interesting to see Erica Durance non-pregnant in the afterlife
scene. It was necessary, of course, and presumably explains why there
was a four-week hiatus in the broadcast schedule near the end of the season.
I was disappointed that Maggie didn't return for the finale. Did the
actress have another engagement? I liked that her character was given a
send-off, and I liked that she ended up with Dr. Katz. I didn't
understand why Cassie was given a send-off, as she was not an important,
or even particularly likable, character. I thought it was a little
curious that they brought back Jeremy, who was a short-timer on the
show, but didn't acknowledge, at least through flashbacks, the important
characters that had left the show (Gavin and Joel). But I suppose the
final episode was devoted to bringing closure to Alex and Charlie's
story and not to memorializing the show as a whole.
Ultimately I decided that I liked the ending, having accepted the
showrunner's intent, and thought it was well-done. I will miss the show
and the characters. It was one of my favorites over its lifetime.
--Robin
Does Charlie get kicked out of the afterlife by the other Ascended
Beings?
Didn't he in the first ep? I thought that was the premise of the show.
:)
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Horace LaBadie
2017-08-11 04:46:39 UTC
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Post by Horace LaBadie
Does Charlie get kicked out of the afterlife by the other Ascended
Beings?
Didn't he in the first ep? I thought that was the premise of the show.
:)
It just keeps happening, over and over.
Adam H. Kerman
2017-08-11 03:04:41 UTC
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Post by Horace LaBadie
Post by Robin Miller
<spoilers>
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<spoilers>
<spoilers>
I really liked this show. I'm not sure why I decided to try it, maybe
because I've often enjoyed medical shows, maybe because I was curious to
see Michael Shanks in a different role after Stargate. For whatever
reason, I tried it, and I liked it, and I watched it religiously. I was
pissed that NBC crapped out during the first season and didn't even
broadcast the last few episodes, making them available only on their
website. I tried tunneling in to the CTV website during season two using
a VPN but the results weren't satisfactory, so I decided to wait for an
American channel to pick it up. I was surprised that it took as long as
it did, and then Ion waited a full year before actually scheduling the show.
I liked the characters, I liked their personal dramas, I liked the
medical cases, I did ship Charlie and Alex, and I didn't mind too much
that sometimes characters just disappeared without acknowledgement.
(Where'd you go, Dr. Reycraft?)
The ending was not what I expected. Since the next-to-last ("penultime")
episode set up incoming mass casualties, I expected the final episode to
show the team working madly to try to save everyone, succeeding often
but not always, and then end with the team taking a breather at the end
of the day, knowing that they had to come back in the morning and face
another day's challenges. And with Alex and Charlie finally getting
married along the way.
I've been expecting this for a while, and the sudden diversion to the
accident scene was no surprise to me. After that, it was just a matter
of timing.
And, of course, the recap on the Previouslies kept going back to his
first crash.
Post by Robin Miller
Instead, Charlie died, and at first I was upset. That was not what I
wanted. I like happy endings; I don't need death or tragedy to feel
satisfied. But I was not to be given what I wanted and expected.
Instead, the episode focused almost solely on bringing the series full
circle, and telling us that Charlie could have died, maybe should have
died, in the opening episode, but instead he and Alex were given five
more years (not all of it spent together) to life their lives, have two
children, and finally have their long-delayed wedding.
The ending was essentially identical to the ending in Medium, with the
husband dying young, the wife dying old (with family nearby), and the
two of them meeting in the afterlife in the final scene, about to spend
the rest of their existence together after lives well-lived.
It was interesting to see Erica Durance non-pregnant in the afterlife
scene. It was necessary, of course, and presumably explains why there
was a four-week hiatus in the broadcast schedule near the end of the season.
I was disappointed that Maggie didn't return for the finale. Did the
actress have another engagement? I liked that her character was given a
send-off, and I liked that she ended up with Dr. Katz. I didn't
understand why Cassie was given a send-off, as she was not an important,
or even particularly likable, character. I thought it was a little
curious that they brought back Jeremy, who was a short-timer on the
show, but didn't acknowledge, at least through flashbacks, the important
characters that had left the show (Gavin and Joel). But I suppose the
final episode was devoted to bringing closure to Alex and Charlie's
story and not to memorializing the show as a whole.
Ultimately I decided that I liked the ending, having accepted the
showrunner's intent, and thought it was well-done. I will miss the show
and the characters. It was one of my favorites over its lifetime.
--Robin
Does Charlie get kicked out of the afterlife by the other Ascended
Beings?
Shouldn't he be replaced with Corin Nemec?
Lesmond
2017-08-12 05:49:20 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Horace LaBadie
Post by Robin Miller
<spoilers>
<spoilers>
<spoilers>
<spoilers>
<spoilers>
<spoilers>
I really liked this show. I'm not sure why I decided to try it, maybe
because I've often enjoyed medical shows, maybe because I was curious to
see Michael Shanks in a different role after Stargate. For whatever
reason, I tried it, and I liked it, and I watched it religiously. I was
pissed that NBC crapped out during the first season and didn't even
broadcast the last few episodes, making them available only on their
website. I tried tunneling in to the CTV website during season two using
a VPN but the results weren't satisfactory, so I decided to wait for an
American channel to pick it up. I was surprised that it took as long as
it did, and then Ion waited a full year before actually scheduling the show.
I liked the characters, I liked their personal dramas, I liked the
medical cases, I did ship Charlie and Alex, and I didn't mind too much
that sometimes characters just disappeared without acknowledgement.
(Where'd you go, Dr. Reycraft?)
The ending was not what I expected. Since the next-to-last ("penultime")
episode set up incoming mass casualties, I expected the final episode to
show the team working madly to try to save everyone, succeeding often
but not always, and then end with the team taking a breather at the end
of the day, knowing that they had to come back in the morning and face
another day's challenges. And with Alex and Charlie finally getting
married along the way.
I've been expecting this for a while, and the sudden diversion to the
accident scene was no surprise to me. After that, it was just a matter
of timing.
And, of course, the recap on the Previouslies kept going back to his
first crash.
Post by Robin Miller
Instead, Charlie died, and at first I was upset. That was not what I
wanted. I like happy endings; I don't need death or tragedy to feel
satisfied. But I was not to be given what I wanted and expected.
Instead, the episode focused almost solely on bringing the series full
circle, and telling us that Charlie could have died, maybe should have
died, in the opening episode, but instead he and Alex were given five
more years (not all of it spent together) to life their lives, have two
children, and finally have their long-delayed wedding.
The ending was essentially identical to the ending in Medium, with the
husband dying young, the wife dying old (with family nearby), and the
two of them meeting in the afterlife in the final scene, about to spend
the rest of their existence together after lives well-lived.
It was interesting to see Erica Durance non-pregnant in the afterlife
scene. It was necessary, of course, and presumably explains why there
was a four-week hiatus in the broadcast schedule near the end of the season.
I was disappointed that Maggie didn't return for the finale. Did the
actress have another engagement? I liked that her character was given a
send-off, and I liked that she ended up with Dr. Katz. I didn't
understand why Cassie was given a send-off, as she was not an important,
or even particularly likable, character. I thought it was a little
curious that they brought back Jeremy, who was a short-timer on the
show, but didn't acknowledge, at least through flashbacks, the important
characters that had left the show (Gavin and Joel). But I suppose the
final episode was devoted to bringing closure to Alex and Charlie's
story and not to memorializing the show as a whole.
Ultimately I decided that I liked the ending, having accepted the
showrunner's intent, and thought it was well-done. I will miss the show
and the characters. It was one of my favorites over its lifetime.
--Robin
Does Charlie get kicked out of the afterlife by the other Ascended
Beings?
Shouldn't he be replaced with Corin Nemec?
Parker Lewis?
--
She may contain the urge to run away
But hold her down with soggy clothes and breeze blocks
Micky DuPree
2017-08-23 00:38:21 UTC
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Post by Horace LaBadie
Post by Robin Miller
The ending was not what I expected. Since the next-to-last
("penultime") episode set up incoming mass casualties, I expected the
final episode to show the team working madly to try to save everyone,
succeeding often but not always, and then end with the team taking a
breather at the end of the day, knowing that they had to come back in
the morning and face another day's challenges. And with Alex and
Charlie finally getting married along the way.
I've been expecting this for a while, and the sudden diversion to the
accident scene was no surprise to me. After that, it was just a matter
of timing.
And, of course, the recap on the Previouslies kept going back to his
first crash.
Post by Robin Miller
Instead, Charlie died, and at first I was upset. That was not what I
wanted. I like happy endings; I don't need death or tragedy to feel
satisfied. But I was not to be given what I wanted and expected.
Instead, the episode focused almost solely on bringing the series
full circle, and telling us that Charlie could have died, maybe
should have died, in the opening episode, but instead he and Alex
were given five more years (not all of it spent together) to life
their lives, have two children, and finally have their long-delayed
wedding.
I don't know that I was expecting it like Horace did, having been
conditioned by American broadcast dramas for a happy ending (in the
physical world), but it did make sense with them returning full circle.
I was actually kind of glad they didn't go the American route. They
were looking at it from a glass half-full perspective. In many ways,
Charlie should have died the first time. He had had one foot in the
Afterlife ever since (and sometimes it felt like he had the other foot
on a banana peel). So he got an extra five years that he wouldn't have
otherwise gotten.

I liked the series. It had a lot of heart. My only cavil is that in
real life, if people got that much proof of a spirit world, I'd expect
them to get more religious or at least exploratory.

ION is in the process of repeating it from the beginning now.
Post by Horace LaBadie
Does Charlie get kicked out of the afterlife by the other Ascended
Beings?
Why would he be? The thing that was weird to me about the Afterlife was
that apparently, only Alex mattered. Charlie didn't see anybody else
while he was waiting for her. He didn't see Alex's brother or mother,
or his friend/romantic rival who got blown up, or anyone else. He was
just drawing in the sand until Alex got there. Admittedly, it was a
short wait by Eternity's standards, but still weird.

-Micky
Robin Miller
2017-08-23 01:03:58 UTC
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Post by Micky DuPree
Post by Horace LaBadie
Post by Robin Miller
The ending was not what I expected. Since the next-to-last
("penultime") episode set up incoming mass casualties, I expected the
final episode to show the team working madly to try to save everyone,
succeeding often but not always, and then end with the team taking a
breather at the end of the day, knowing that they had to come back in
the morning and face another day's challenges. And with Alex and
Charlie finally getting married along the way.
I've been expecting this for a while, and the sudden diversion to the
accident scene was no surprise to me. After that, it was just a matter
of timing.
And, of course, the recap on the Previouslies kept going back to his
first crash.
Post by Robin Miller
Instead, Charlie died, and at first I was upset. That was not what I
wanted. I like happy endings; I don't need death or tragedy to feel
satisfied. But I was not to be given what I wanted and expected.
Instead, the episode focused almost solely on bringing the series
full circle, and telling us that Charlie could have died, maybe
should have died, in the opening episode, but instead he and Alex
were given five more years (not all of it spent together) to life
their lives, have two children, and finally have their long-delayed
wedding.
I don't know that I was expecting it like Horace did, having been
conditioned by American broadcast dramas for a happy ending (in the
physical world), but it did make sense with them returning full circle.
I was actually kind of glad they didn't go the American route. They
were looking at it from a glass half-full perspective. In many ways,
Charlie should have died the first time. He had had one foot in the
Afterlife ever since (and sometimes it felt like he had the other foot
on a banana peel). So he got an extra five years that he wouldn't have
otherwise gotten.
I liked the series. It had a lot of heart. My only cavil is that in
real life, if people got that much proof of a spirit world, I'd expect
them to get more religious or at least exploratory.
ION is in the process of repeating it from the beginning now.
Post by Horace LaBadie
Does Charlie get kicked out of the afterlife by the other Ascended
Beings?
Why would he be? The thing that was weird to me about the Afterlife was
that apparently, only Alex mattered. Charlie didn't see anybody else
while he was waiting for her. He didn't see Alex's brother or mother,
or his friend/romantic rival who got blown up, or anyone else. He was
just drawing in the sand until Alex got there. Admittedly, it was a
short wait by Eternity's standards, but still weird.
-Micky
I loved this show, and I'm glad some people watched it and have posted
about it.

--Robin
Horace LaBadie
2017-08-23 01:09:02 UTC
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Post by Micky DuPree
Post by Horace LaBadie
Post by Robin Miller
The ending was not what I expected. Since the next-to-last
("penultime") episode set up incoming mass casualties, I expected the
final episode to show the team working madly to try to save everyone,
succeeding often but not always, and then end with the team taking a
breather at the end of the day, knowing that they had to come back in
the morning and face another day's challenges. And with Alex and
Charlie finally getting married along the way.
I've been expecting this for a while, and the sudden diversion to the
accident scene was no surprise to me. After that, it was just a matter
of timing.
And, of course, the recap on the Previouslies kept going back to his
first crash.
Post by Robin Miller
Instead, Charlie died, and at first I was upset. That was not what I
wanted. I like happy endings; I don't need death or tragedy to feel
satisfied. But I was not to be given what I wanted and expected.
Instead, the episode focused almost solely on bringing the series
full circle, and telling us that Charlie could have died, maybe
should have died, in the opening episode, but instead he and Alex
were given five more years (not all of it spent together) to life
their lives, have two children, and finally have their long-delayed
wedding.
I don't know that I was expecting it like Horace did, having been
conditioned by American broadcast dramas for a happy ending (in the
physical world), but it did make sense with them returning full circle.
I was actually kind of glad they didn't go the American route. They
were looking at it from a glass half-full perspective. In many ways,
Charlie should have died the first time. He had had one foot in the
Afterlife ever since (and sometimes it felt like he had the other foot
on a banana peel). So he got an extra five years that he wouldn't have
otherwise gotten.
I liked the series. It had a lot of heart. My only cavil is that in
real life, if people got that much proof of a spirit world, I'd expect
them to get more religious or at least exploratory.
ION is in the process of repeating it from the beginning now.
Post by Horace LaBadie
Does Charlie get kicked out of the afterlife by the other Ascended
Beings?
Why would he be? The thing that was weird to me about the Afterlife was
that apparently, only Alex mattered. Charlie didn't see anybody else
while he was waiting for her. He didn't see Alex's brother or mother,
or his friend/romantic rival who got blown up, or anyone else. He was
just drawing in the sand until Alex got there. Admittedly, it was a
short wait by Eternity's standards, but still weird.
-Micky
Silly reference to Stargate SG-1, where Daniel Jackson (Shanks)
died/ascended a couple of times to a higher plane of existence, and was
kicked out by other ascended beings for his interference in the lives of
his friends.
Micky DuPree
2017-08-31 08:28:46 UTC
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Post by Micky DuPree
Post by Horace LaBadie
Does Charlie get kicked out of the afterlife by the other Ascended
Beings?
Why would he be? The thing that was weird to me about the Afterlife
was that apparently, only Alex mattered. Charlie didn't see anybody
else while he was waiting for her. He didn't see Alex's brother or
mother, or his friend/romantic rival who got blown up, or anyone
else. He was just drawing in the sand until Alex got there.
Admittedly, it was a short wait by Eternity's standards, but still
weird.
Silly reference to Stargate SG-1, where Daniel Jackson (Shanks)
died/ascended a couple of times to a higher plane of existence, and
was kicked out by other ascended beings for his interference in the
lives of his friends.
Ah, thanks. I never got into any of the Stargate series. In fact,
though a scan of Michael Shanks' IMDb page reveals that I had to have
seen him in multiple roles before _Saving Hope_ (wow, going all the way
back to _Highlander_), Charlie Harris was the first role that I actually
noticed him in.

-Micky
icebreaker
2017-08-11 21:12:37 UTC
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Post by Robin Miller
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<spoilers>
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<spoilers>
I really liked this show. I'm not sure why I decided to try it, maybe
because I've often enjoyed medical shows, maybe because I was curious to
see Michael Shanks in a different role after Stargate. For whatever
reason, I tried it, and I liked it, and I watched it religiously. I was
pissed that NBC crapped out during the first season and didn't even
broadcast the last few episodes, making them available only on their
website. I tried tunneling in to the CTV website during season two using
a VPN but the results weren't satisfactory, so I decided to wait for an
American channel to pick it up. I was surprised that it took as long as
it did, and then Ion waited a full year before actually scheduling the show.
I liked the characters, I liked their personal dramas, I liked the
medical cases, I did ship Charlie and Alex, and I didn't mind too much
that sometimes characters just disappeared without acknowledgement.
(Where'd you go, Dr. Reycraft?)
The ending was not what I expected. Since the next-to-last ("penultime")
episode set up incoming mass casualties, I expected the final episode to
show the team working madly to try to save everyone, succeeding often
but not always, and then end with the team taking a breather at the end
of the day, knowing that they had to come back in the morning and face
another day's challenges. And with Alex and Charlie finally getting
married along the way.
Instead, Charlie died, and at first I was upset. That was not what I
wanted. I like happy endings; I don't need death or tragedy to feel
satisfied. But I was not to be given what I wanted and expected.
Instead, the episode focused almost solely on bringing the series full
circle, and telling us that Charlie could have died, maybe should have
died, in the opening episode, but instead he and Alex were given five
more years (not all of it spent together) to life their lives, have two
children, and finally have their long-delayed wedding.
The ending was essentially identical to the ending in Medium, with the
husband dying young, the wife dying old (with family nearby), and the
two of them meeting in the afterlife in the final scene, about to spend
the rest of their existence together after lives well-lived.
It was interesting to see Erica Durance non-pregnant in the afterlife
scene. It was necessary, of course, and presumably explains why there
was a four-week hiatus in the broadcast schedule near the end of the season.
When was there a hiatus? Do you mean between the first half and the
second half of the season? CTV splits its shows that way. Saving Hope
has always had a break at the midway point of airing. Run the first 9
episodes or so and then wait and then after a break run the last half.
ION ran a week or so behind CTV, I think, as I did the finale in the
wdyw thread sometime back. Not that any of this makes a whit of
difference anyway, :)

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Robin Miller
2017-08-11 21:54:14 UTC
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Post by icebreaker
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 20:54:03 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
<spoilers>
<spoilers>
<spoilers>
<spoilers>
<spoilers>
<spoilers>
I really liked this show. I'm not sure why I decided to try it, maybe
because I've often enjoyed medical shows, maybe because I was curious to
see Michael Shanks in a different role after Stargate. For whatever
reason, I tried it, and I liked it, and I watched it religiously. I was
pissed that NBC crapped out during the first season and didn't even
broadcast the last few episodes, making them available only on their
website. I tried tunneling in to the CTV website during season two using
a VPN but the results weren't satisfactory, so I decided to wait for an
American channel to pick it up. I was surprised that it took as long as
it did, and then Ion waited a full year before actually scheduling the show.
I liked the characters, I liked their personal dramas, I liked the
medical cases, I did ship Charlie and Alex, and I didn't mind too much
that sometimes characters just disappeared without acknowledgement.
(Where'd you go, Dr. Reycraft?)
The ending was not what I expected. Since the next-to-last ("penultime")
episode set up incoming mass casualties, I expected the final episode to
show the team working madly to try to save everyone, succeeding often
but not always, and then end with the team taking a breather at the end
of the day, knowing that they had to come back in the morning and face
another day's challenges. And with Alex and Charlie finally getting
married along the way.
Instead, Charlie died, and at first I was upset. That was not what I
wanted. I like happy endings; I don't need death or tragedy to feel
satisfied. But I was not to be given what I wanted and expected.
Instead, the episode focused almost solely on bringing the series full
circle, and telling us that Charlie could have died, maybe should have
died, in the opening episode, but instead he and Alex were given five
more years (not all of it spent together) to life their lives, have two
children, and finally have their long-delayed wedding.
The ending was essentially identical to the ending in Medium, with the
husband dying young, the wife dying old (with family nearby), and the
two of them meeting in the afterlife in the final scene, about to spend
the rest of their existence together after lives well-lived.
It was interesting to see Erica Durance non-pregnant in the afterlife
scene. It was necessary, of course, and presumably explains why there
was a four-week hiatus in the broadcast schedule near the end of the season.
When was there a hiatus? Do you mean between the first half and the
second half of the season? CTV splits its shows that way. Saving Hope
has always had a break at the midway point of airing. Run the first 9
episodes or so and then wait and then after a break run the last half.
ION ran a week or so behind CTV, I think, as I did the finale in the
wdyw thread sometime back. Not that any of this makes a whit of
difference anyway, :)
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I guess that was Ion's version of a mini-break. Episode 509 was shown on
May 9, and then 510 on June 13. I assumed it was due to Erica Durance's
pregnancy. Maybe not.


--Robin
shawn
2017-08-12 05:00:27 UTC
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 20:54:03 -0400, Robin Miller
<***@invalid.invalid> wrote:

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+1

You have echoed the thoughts that I expressed upon seeing this
episode. It wasn't what I expected or wanted but I get the message the
producers were trying to send with this sendoff. While it wasn't what
I wanted it still was an enjoyable ending episode for the series.
Robin Miller
2017-08-12 05:38:56 UTC
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Post by icebreaker
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 20:54:03 -0400, Robin Miller
snipped text
+1
You have echoed the thoughts that I expressed upon seeing this
episode. It wasn't what I expected or wanted but I get the message the
producers were trying to send with this sendoff. While it wasn't what
I wanted it still was an enjoyable ending episode for the series.
Glad I wasn't the only one!

--Robin
ZZyXX
2017-08-12 19:07:49 UTC
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Post by icebreaker
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 20:54:03 -0400, Robin Miller
snipped text
+1
You have echoed the thoughts that I expressed upon seeing this
episode. It wasn't what I expected or wanted but I get the message the
producers were trying to send with this sendoff. While it wasn't what
I wanted it still was an enjoyable ending episode for the series.
I'm trying to parse that Alex said it had been 50 years, but it seemed
like her daughter said (in the hospital scene) Alex was dying and the
daughter didn't look to be 50 years old
Robin Miller
2017-08-12 19:37:02 UTC
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Post by ZZyXX
Post by icebreaker
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 20:54:03 -0400, Robin Miller
snipped text
+1
You have echoed the thoughts that I expressed upon seeing this
episode. It wasn't what I expected or wanted but I get the message the
producers were trying to send with this sendoff. While it wasn't what
I wanted it still was an enjoyable ending episode for the series.
I'm trying to parse that Alex said it had been 50 years, but it seemed
like her daughter said (in the hospital scene) Alex was dying and the
daughter didn't look to be 50 years old
I thought the same thing. I didn't think either kid looked 50 years old.

According to the Saving Hope Wiki, Charlotte was played by Nicole
Fraissinet (age ??) and adult Luke was played by Paul Popowich (age 44).

http://hopezion.wikia.com/wiki/Charlotte_Harris

http://hopezion.wikia.com/wiki/Luke_Reid-Harris

--Robin
Horace LaBadie
2017-08-12 21:01:58 UTC
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Post by Robin Miller
Post by ZZyXX
Post by icebreaker
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 20:54:03 -0400, Robin Miller
snipped text
+1
You have echoed the thoughts that I expressed upon seeing this
episode. It wasn't what I expected or wanted but I get the message the
producers were trying to send with this sendoff. While it wasn't what
I wanted it still was an enjoyable ending episode for the series.
I'm trying to parse that Alex said it had been 50 years, but it seemed
like her daughter said (in the hospital scene) Alex was dying and the
daughter didn't look to be 50 years old
I thought the same thing. I didn't think either kid looked 50 years old.
According to the Saving Hope Wiki, Charlotte was played by Nicole
Fraissinet (age ??) and adult Luke was played by Paul Popowich (age 44).
http://hopezion.wikia.com/wiki/Charlotte_Harris
http://hopezion.wikia.com/wiki/Luke_Reid-Harris
--Robin
That far in the future, 50 will be the new 25.
NoBody
2017-08-13 14:48:08 UTC
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On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 12:07:49 -0700, ZZyXX
Post by ZZyXX
Post by icebreaker
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 20:54:03 -0400, Robin Miller
snipped text
+1
You have echoed the thoughts that I expressed upon seeing this
episode. It wasn't what I expected or wanted but I get the message the
producers were trying to send with this sendoff. While it wasn't what
I wanted it still was an enjoyable ending episode for the series.
I'm trying to parse that Alex said it had been 50 years, but it seemed
like her daughter said (in the hospital scene) Alex was dying and the
daughter didn't look to be 50 years old
I noticed the same continuity error. They probably meant 30 years
which would have been about right.
Robin Miller
2017-08-13 16:04:16 UTC
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Post by NoBody
On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 12:07:49 -0700, ZZyXX
Post by ZZyXX
Post by icebreaker
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 20:54:03 -0400, Robin Miller
snipped text
+1
You have echoed the thoughts that I expressed upon seeing this
episode. It wasn't what I expected or wanted but I get the message the
producers were trying to send with this sendoff. While it wasn't what
I wanted it still was an enjoyable ending episode for the series.
I'm trying to parse that Alex said it had been 50 years, but it seemed
like her daughter said (in the hospital scene) Alex was dying and the
daughter didn't look to be 50 years old
I noticed the same continuity error. They probably meant 30 years
which would have been about right.
They showed the very gnarled hands of an elderly woman. Those hands
belonged to someone at least in her 80s. That fit with the "50 years."

--Robin
NoBody
2017-08-14 11:08:14 UTC
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Post by Robin Miller
Post by NoBody
On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 12:07:49 -0700, ZZyXX
Post by ZZyXX
Post by icebreaker
On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 20:54:03 -0400, Robin Miller
snipped text
+1
You have echoed the thoughts that I expressed upon seeing this
episode. It wasn't what I expected or wanted but I get the message the
producers were trying to send with this sendoff. While it wasn't what
I wanted it still was an enjoyable ending episode for the series.
I'm trying to parse that Alex said it had been 50 years, but it seemed
like her daughter said (in the hospital scene) Alex was dying and the
daughter didn't look to be 50 years old
I noticed the same continuity error. They probably meant 30 years
which would have been about right.
They showed the very gnarled hands of an elderly woman. Those hands
belonged to someone at least in her 80s. That fit with the "50 years."
Which was inconsistant with the age of her children. They should have
been grandchildren. Don't think they quite thought that one through.
j***@gmail.com
2019-02-07 22:03:22 UTC
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I was just thinking about how similar this finale was to Medium's finale! Loved both series, but bummed about the way they ended.
Robin Miller
2019-02-07 23:18:26 UTC
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Post by j***@gmail.com
I was just thinking about how similar this finale was to Medium's finale! Loved both series, but bummed about the way they ended.
Yes, very similar, although I accepted the ending in Saving Hope as a
full circle sort of thing, while the ending in Medium made me mad due to
what they did to Joe.

I never understand how very old threads get replied to.

--Robin
shawn
2019-02-07 23:22:48 UTC
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On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 18:18:26 -0500, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by j***@gmail.com
I was just thinking about how similar this finale was to Medium's finale! Loved both series, but bummed about the way they ended.
Yes, very similar, although I accepted the ending in Saving Hope as a
full circle sort of thing, while the ending in Medium made me mad due to
what they did to Joe.
I never understand how very old threads get replied to.
Don't remember how MEDIUM ended (or if I even watched the ending) but
do remember the ending of SAVING HOPE. It felt like a good way to end
the show (SAVING HOPE) while doing something similar with MEDIUM
wouldn't have worked for me.
Adam H. Kerman
2019-02-08 01:25:04 UTC
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Post by Robin Miller
Post by j***@gmail.com
I was just thinking about how similar this finale was to Medium's finale! Loved both series, but bummed about the way they ended.
Yes, very similar, although I accepted the ending in Saving Hope as a
full circle sort of thing, while the ending in Medium made me mad due to
what they did to Joe.
I never understand how very old threads get replied to.
She's not subscribed to a News server. She's using Google Groups. Google
Groups users almost always refuse to quote, so that doesn't do any good
for the rest of us using News servers upon which the precursor article
timed out.
anim8rfsk
2019-02-08 01:29:24 UTC
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Post by Robin Miller
Post by j***@gmail.com
I was just thinking about how similar this finale was to Medium's finale!
Loved both series, but bummed about the way they ended.
Yes, very similar, although I accepted the ending in Saving Hope as a
full circle sort of thing, while the ending in Medium made me mad due to
what they did to Joe.
I never understand how very old threads get replied to.
--Robin
By very old repliers.
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Micky DuPree
2019-02-18 05:42:30 UTC
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Post by Robin Miller
Post by j***@gmail.com
I was just thinking about how similar this finale was to Medium's
finale! Loved both series, but bummed about the way they ended.
Yes, very similar, although I accepted the ending in Saving Hope as a
full circle sort of thing, while the ending in Medium made me mad due
to what they did to Joe.
I didn't watch _Medium_, but I agree that the _Saving Hope_ conclusion
was fitting.
Post by Robin Miller
I never understand how very old threads get replied to.
In theory, nothing ever expires from Google Groups, although it's now
much harder to find specific articles using it than it was back when the
archive was called Deja News. So someone who's just now catching up on
an old series, and who wants to find discussion about it, can go to
Google Groups and not only look up old articles about it, but also
respond to them as if they were just posted yesterday.

-Micky

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