Hard Luck BTMS

Post by krw
Huw Kennair-Jones appointed editor
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/5vFGJHJDWPdPSY77RrmtyQD/meet-the-archers-new-editor-huw-kennair-jones?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_the_archers&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=radio_and_music

And no obvious radio experience.

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krw

2016-09-13 13:13:50 UTC

And no obvious radio experience.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/13/former-eastenders-producer-huw-kennair-jones-to-become-new-arche/

Tells it like it is.

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krw

2016-09-13 13:19:17 UTC

And no obvious radio experience.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/13/former-eastenders-producer-huw-kennair-jones-to-become-new-arche/
Tells it like it is.

https://www.facebook.com/huw.kennairjones for more about the man.

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198kHz

2016-09-13 13:44:14 UTC

And no obvious radio experience.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/13/former-eastenders-producer-huw-kennair-jones-to-become-new-arche/
Tells it like it is.

https://www.facebook.com/huw.kennairjones for more about the man.

Oh dear. Frying pan..

...fire.

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Vicky

2016-09-13 16:02:29 UTC

Post by 198kHz

And no obvious radio experience.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/13/former-eastenders-producer-huw-kennair-jones-to-become-new-arche/
Tells it like it is.

https://www.facebook.com/huw.kennairjones for more about the man.

Oh dear. Frying pan..
...fire.

Dear, oh dear. What was needed wasn't someone from EE drama, again,
but someone from Farming Today or Countryfile. NUGGER!

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Btms

2016-09-13 16:06:00 UTC

Post by Vicky

Post by 198kHz

And no obvious radio experience.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/13/former-eastenders-producer-huw-kennair-jones-to-become-new-arche/
Tells it like it is.

https://www.facebook.com/huw.kennairjones for more about the man.

Oh dear. Frying pan..
...fire.

Dear, oh dear. What was needed wasn't someone from EE drama, again,
but someone from Farming Today or Countryfile. NUGGER!

Perhaps I should have mention that I watch Countryfile on my application?
Seconds thoughts, this would not have helped. Sadly I have only seen one
episode of EE plus the endless trailers. I guess this disqualifies me from
radio drama.

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Penny

2016-09-13 14:50:13 UTC

On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 14:19:17 +0100, krw <***@whitnet.uk> scrawled in the
dust...

Post by krw
https://www.facebook.com/huw.kennairjones for more about the man.

Hardly, all that shows you is when he first worked at the BBC, who his 250
facebook contacts are and the places he has decided to use as cover-photos.

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Btms

2016-09-13 16:02:29 UTC

Post by Penny
dust...

Post by krw
https://www.facebook.com/huw.kennairjones for more about the man.

Hardly, all that shows you is when he first worked at the BBC, who his 250
facebook contacts are and the places he has decided to use as cover-photos.

Seriously folk, I think I might have been a better option. I fear we face
the end of an era. It sounds lime matey soaps to me.

I wonder if I will get the courtesy of official rejection?

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BrritSki

2016-09-13 14:18:41 UTC

And no obvious radio experience.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/13/former-eastenders-producer-huw-kennair-jones-to-become-new-arche/
Tells it like it is.

What was the name again ? Fuw Kinnel-Jones ???

Sid Nuncius

2016-09-13 18:11:13 UTC

Post by BrritSki
What was the name again ? Fuw Kinnel-Jones ???

:o))

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Peter Percival

2016-09-13 20:29:34 UTC

Post by BrritSki
What was the name again ? Fuw Kinnel-Jones ???

:o))

You got a mention in the programme about Neptune this evening.

--
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to me what you really mean.
I think I had better not, Duchess. Nowadays to be intelligible is
to be found out. -- Oscar Wilde, Lady Windermere's Fan

r***@gmail.com

2017-05-19 15:39:37 UTC

Post by BrritSki
What was the name again ? Fuw Kinnel-Jones ???

Oh, I misremembered my own tag !

Penny

2017-05-19 18:25:50 UTC

On Fri, 19 May 2017 08:39:37 -0700 (PDT), ***@gmail.com scrawled in
the dust...

Post by r***@gmail.com

Post by BrritSki
What was the name again ? Fuw Kinnel-Jones ???

Oh, I misremembered my own tag !

That looks more familiar :)

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Peter Percival

2016-09-13 14:00:50 UTC

And no obvious radio experience.

More worrying is this: "Sunday mornings as a child while my mother did
the ironing". Monday is washday, so a woman ironing on a Sunday morning
is obviously something of a bohemian. I doubt that he had a respectable
upbringing.

Iain Archer

2016-09-13 14:33:00 UTC

Post by krw
Huw Kennair-Jones appointed editor
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/5vFGJHJDWPdPSY77RrmtyQD/meet-
the-archers-new-editor-huw-kennair-jones?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaig
n=bbc_the_archers&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=radio_and_music

And no obvious radio experience.

More worrying is this: "Sunday mornings as a child while my mother did
the ironing". Monday is washday, so a woman ironing on a Sunday
morning is obviously something of a bohemian. I doubt that he had a
respectable upbringing.

Monday, for two or three years, was the day I had to wear my CCF uniform
to school. So Sunday was definitely an ironing day for me, despite my
bohemian aspirations.

How about his CV. Does anyone know any of:

Sky Entertainment 2009-2014 Commissioning editor / Executive Producer of
Going Postal, Thorne, The Runaway, Strike Back series II-IV, Bedlam
series II, Mad Dogs series II-IV, Falcon, Hit and Miss, Fleming, The
Last Witch, Moonfleet?

--
Iain

Marmaduke Jinks

2016-09-13 16:34:17 UTC

Post by krw
Huw Kennair-Jones appointed editor
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/5vFGJHJDWPdPSY77RrmtyQD/meet-
the-archers-new-editor-huw-kennair-jones?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaig
n=bbc_the_archers&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=radio_and_music

And no obvious radio experience.

More worrying is this: "Sunday mornings as a child while my mother did the
ironing". Monday is washday, so a woman ironing on a Sunday morning is
obviously something of a bohemian. I doubt that he had a respectable
upbringing.

Monday, for two or three years, was the day I had to wear my CCF uniform
to school. So Sunday was definitely an ironing day for me, despite my
bohemian aspirations.
Sky Entertainment 2009-2014 Commissioning editor / Executive Producer of
Going Postal, Thorne, The Runaway, Strike Back series II-IV, Bedlam series
II, Mad Dogs series II-IV, Falcon, Hit and Miss, Fleming, The Last Witch,
Moonfleet?
--
Iain

Oh God. Moonfleet was awful.

MJ

Fenny

2016-09-13 20:42:41 UTC

Post by Peter Percival
More worrying is this: "Sunday mornings as a child while my mother did
the ironing". Monday is washday, so a woman ironing on a Sunday
morning is obviously something of a bohemian. I doubt that he had a
respectable upbringing.

Monday, for two or three years, was the day I had to wear my CCF uniform
to school. So Sunday was definitely an ironing day for me, despite my
bohemian aspirations.

I used to iron my shirts and trousers for the week on a Sunday evening
while watching Heartbeat. Heartbeat ended and so did ironing
(although not necessarily post hoc, ergo propter hoc).

Post by Iain Archer
Sky Entertainment 2009-2014 Commissioning editor / Executive Producer of
Going Postal, Thorne, The Runaway, Strike Back series II-IV, Bedlam
series II, Mad Dogs series II-IV, Falcon, Hit and Miss, Fleming, The
Last Witch, Moonfleet?

I didn't watch Fleming, but I heard it was very good. I only remember
a BBC version of Moonfleet back in the 70s.

--
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Kate B

2016-09-13 21:59:59 UTC

Monday, for two or three years, was the day I had to wear my CCF uniform
to school. So Sunday was definitely an ironing day for me, despite my
bohemian aspirations.

I used to iron my shirts and trousers for the week on a Sunday evening
while watching Heartbeat. Heartbeat ended and so did ironing
(although not necessarily post hoc, ergo propter hoc).

I didn't watch Fleming, but I heard it was very good. I only remember
a BBC version of Moonfleet back in the 70s.

The latest Moonfleet was a bit rubbish. Why can't they get someone who
has actually done a bit of RADIO?

--
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London

krw

2016-09-13 22:27:38 UTC

Post by Kate B

Monday, for two or three years, was the day I had to wear my CCF uniform
to school. So Sunday was definitely an ironing day for me, despite my
bohemian aspirations.

I used to iron my shirts and trousers for the week on a Sunday evening
while watching Heartbeat. Heartbeat ended and so did ironing
(although not necessarily post hoc, ergo propter hoc).

I didn't watch Fleming, but I heard it was very good. I only remember
a BBC version of Moonfleet back in the 70s.

The latest Moonfleet was a bit rubbish. Why can't they get someone who
has actually done a bit of RADIO?

I am assuming that the BBC no longer bothers to train staff in the
wonders of the wireless and simply assumes that skills are transferable
from the tellybox - after all they are simply telling a load of actors
what to do aren't they?

Little of the Sky stuff listed was "contemporary drama in a rural
setting" or indeed a continuing almost daily documentary which we know
it to be.

--
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www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
tiny.cc/KRWpics

Chris McMillan

2016-09-14 11:09:37 UTC

Post by Kate B

Monday, for two or three years, was the day I had to wear my CCF uniform
to school. So Sunday was definitely an ironing day for me, despite my
bohemian aspirations.

I used to iron my shirts and trousers for the week on a Sunday evening
while watching Heartbeat. Heartbeat ended and so did ironing
(although not necessarily post hoc, ergo propter hoc).

I didn't watch Fleming, but I heard it was very good. I only remember
a BBC version of Moonfleet back in the 70s.

The latest Moonfleet was a bit rubbish. Why can't they get someone who
has actually done a bit of RADIO?

I am assuming that the BBC no longer bothers to train staff in the
wonders of the wireless and simply assumes that skills are transferable
from the tellybox - after all they are simply telling a load of actors
what to do aren't they?
Little of the Sky stuff listed was "contemporary drama in a rural
setting" or indeed a continuing almost daily documentary which we know
it to be.

Training in radio was discontinued years and years ago. In the 1990s, but
McT will know the date

Sincerely Chris

Penny

2016-09-14 11:27:54 UTC

On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 22:59:59 +0100, Kate B <***@nospam.demon.co.uk>
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Kate B
The latest Moonfleet was a bit rubbish. Why can't they get someone who
has actually done a bit of RADIO?

As someone who largely uses TV as radio I find there are few programmes I
actually need to *watch*. Maybe TV isn't such bad training...

--
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krw

2016-09-13 21:13:50 UTC

Post by Iain Archer
Going Postal

One of the Terry P adaptations I believe.

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krw

2016-09-13 21:13:01 UTC

And no obvious radio experience.

I can remember the ex-inlaws getting most upset about neighbours hanging
out the washing on a Sunday in Croydon.

--
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www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
tiny.cc/KRWpics

Penny

2016-09-13 21:47:20 UTC

On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 22:13:01 +0100, krw <***@whitnet.uk> scrawled in the
dust...

Post by krw
I can remember the ex-inlaws getting most upset about neighbours hanging
out the washing on a Sunday in Croydon.

It was something my (church-going-twice-a-week) mother would avoid. Not, as
far as I know, because she felt it was wrong to do laundry on a Sunday
(although that wasn't her usual practice) but because she felt the
neighbours would think so.

--
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Paul Wolff

2016-09-13 22:51:17 UTC

Post by Penny
dust...

Post by krw
I can remember the ex-inlaws getting most upset about neighbours hanging
out the washing on a Sunday in Croydon.

Back when I was a mere candidate adult, between school and university, I
lived with a family in Germany, in Heimat country if you saw that tv
series, where washing your car was verboten on a Sonntag. I hardly
believed it possible that a country should so micro-manage its populace.

--
Paul

Anne B

2016-09-14 08:03:11 UTC

Post by Paul Wolff
Back when I was a mere candidate adult, between school and
university, I lived with a family in Germany, in Heimat
country if you saw that tv series, where washing your car was
verboten on a Sonntag. I hardly believed it possible that a
country should so micro-manage its populace.
Paul

My German friends tell me that the difference between the UK and
Germany is that in the UK anything is permitted unless it is
specifically forbidden by the law, whereas in Germany everything
is forbidden unless specifically permitted by the law.

Anne B

Btms

2016-09-14 08:12:13 UTC

Isn't this the form adopted by communist Russia? I admire the neatness of
the control system. The angst it must create on the populace is another
matter.

--
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the Omrud

2016-09-14 08:31:40 UTC

It's the same in France, and in most of the Continent. The UK developed
Common Law over 1000 years, which is the basis for our current laws
(murder and theft are still common law offences for example) but
Continental countries had laws imposed by Napoleon.

Simple example: in the UK you can use any name you like without
following any legal process, provided this is not done for the purposes
of fraud. In other countries, you can only change your name under
specific laws set up to enable that.

--
David

Fenny

2016-09-14 17:50:29 UTC

Post by the Omrud
Simple example: in the UK you can use any name you like without
following any legal process, provided this is not done for the purposes
of fraud. In other countries, you can only change your name under
specific laws set up to enable that.

Facebook have changed their original terms & conditions to state that
you should use your real name for your account. If you have problems
accessing the site, they will request you provide official ID.

I opened an account way back in the days when it still required an
academic email address. It is not in my real name, but it is in a
name I am known as. They have recently removed any way of accessing
my account - but have not disabled it, so I can't go through the
process for appealing a disabled account. They have no contact
address and will not respond to anyone querying an account on behalf
of someone else. In short, they just don't care. But if they ever
did respond to me, they will just say that I'm breaching their t&c by
using not my real name.

The Warwickshire County Council guidelines for foster carers using
social media say it's better not to use their real name on such sites.

--
Fenny

the Omrud

2016-09-14 18:52:54 UTC

That just goes to show that they are US based. There is no such concept
as "real name" in the UK.

Post by Fenny
I opened an account way back in the days when it still required an
academic email address. It is not in my real name, but it is in a
name I am known as. They have recently removed any way of accessing
my account - but have not disabled it, so I can't go through the
process for appealing a disabled account. They have no contact
address and will not respond to anyone querying an account on behalf
of someone else. In short, they just don't care. But if they ever
did respond to me, they will just say that I'm breaching their t&c by
using not my real name.
The Warwickshire County Council guidelines for foster carers using
social media say it's better not to use their real name on such sites.

Both my nephew (a teacher) and his girlfriend (a social worker) use
their middle names instead of their surnames on Facebook.

--
David

Fenny

2016-09-14 20:26:46 UTC

Post by Fenny
The Warwickshire County Council guidelines for foster carers using
social media say it's better not to use their real name on such sites.

Both my nephew (a teacher) and his girlfriend (a social worker) use
their middle names instead of their surnames on Facebook.

As I a) work in a college and b) would be more than gobsmacked if
there was anyone else with the same name as me (certainly not another
on FB), there's no way I'm using my actual first & last name.

--
Fenny

Penny

2016-09-14 21:31:03 UTC

On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:26:46 +0100, Fenny <***@onetel.com>
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Fenny
As I a) work in a college and b) would be more than gobsmacked if
there was anyone else with the same name as me (certainly not another
on FB), there's no way I'm using my actual first & last name.

So I dredged my faulty memory for your real name and had a look. Lots with
what I'm pretty sure is your first name combined with near-misses on the
surname, one of whom comes from Knob Noster, Missouri - is that a real
place?

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2016-09-15 13:44:49 UTC

Post by Penny
On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:26:46 +0100, Fenny
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Fenny
As I a) work in a college and b) would be more than gobsmacked if
there was anyone else with the same name as me (certainly not

another

Post by Penny

Post by Fenny
on FB), there's no way I'm using my actual first & last name.

Knob noster, qui es in Missouri
sanctificatur nomen tuum:

2016-09-15 14:10:31 UTC

Post by Penny
On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:26:46 +0100, Fenny
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Fenny
As I a) work in a college and b) would be more than gobsmacked if
there was anyone else with the same name as me (certainly not

another

Post by Penny

Post by Fenny
on FB), there's no way I'm using my actual first & last name.

So I dredged my faulty memory for your real name and had a look.

Lots with

Post by Penny
what I'm pretty sure is your first name combined with near-misses

on the

Post by Penny
surname, one of whom comes from Knob Noster, Missouri - is that a

real

Post by Penny
place?

Knob noster, qui es in Missouri

:-)

NexuSki

2016-09-15 08:05:07 UTC

On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:26:46 +0100, Fenny

On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 19:52:54 +0100, the Omrud

Post by Fenny
The Warwickshire County Council guidelines for foster carers using
social media say it's better not to use their real name on such sites.

Both my nephew (a teacher) and his girlfriend (a social worker) use
their middle names instead of their surnames on Facebook.

As I a) work in a college and b) would be more than gobsmacked if
there was anyone else with the same name as me (certainly not

another

on FB), there's no way I'm using my actual first & last name.

Are you not Fenny Street on fb ?

Mike McMillan

2016-09-15 08:49:51 UTC

Post by Penny
On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:26:46 +0100, Fenny

On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 19:52:54 +0100, the Omrud

Post by Fenny
The Warwickshire County Council guidelines for foster carers

using

Post by Fenny
social media say it's better not to use their real name on such

sites.

Post by the Omrud
Both my nephew (a teacher) and his girlfriend (a social worker)

use

Post by the Omrud
their middle names instead of their surnames on Facebook.

As I a) work in a college and b) would be more than gobsmacked if
there was anyone else with the same name as me (certainly not

another

on FB), there's no way I'm using my actual first & last name.

Are you not Fenny Street on fb ?

Or Fenny Stration?

--
Toodle Pip

Sally Thompson

2016-09-15 10:32:21 UTC

Post by Mike McMillan

Post by Penny
On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:26:46 +0100, Fenny

On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 19:52:54 +0100, the Omrud

Post by Fenny
The Warwickshire County Council guidelines for foster carers

using

Post by Fenny
social media say it's better not to use their real name on such

sites.

Post by the Omrud
Both my nephew (a teacher) and his girlfriend (a social worker)

use

Post by the Omrud
their middle names instead of their surnames on Facebook.

As I a) work in a college and b) would be more than gobsmacked if
there was anyone else with the same name as me (certainly not

another

on FB), there's no way I'm using my actual first & last name.

Are you not Fenny Street on fb ?

Or Fenny Stration?

What, de one and only?

--
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NexuSki

2016-09-15 14:01:46 UTC

On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 08:49:51 GMT, Mike McMillan

Post by Mike McMillan

Post by Fenny
As I a) work in a college and b) would be more than gobsmacked if
there was anyone else with the same name as me (certainly not

another

Post by Fenny
on FB), there's no way I'm using my actual first & last name.

Are you not Fenny Street on fb ?

Or Fenny Stration?

Is she using Windows ? Linux would be safer...

Fenny

2016-09-15 16:59:54 UTC

On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 10:05:07 +0200, NexuSki

Post by Penny
On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:26:46 +0100, Fenny

On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 19:52:54 +0100, the Omrud

Post by Fenny
The Warwickshire County Council guidelines for foster carers

using

Post by Fenny
social media say it's better not to use their real name on such

sites.

Post by the Omrud
Both my nephew (a teacher) and his girlfriend (a social worker)

use

Post by the Omrud
their middle names instead of their surnames on Facebook.

As I a) work in a college and b) would be more than gobsmacked if
there was anyone else with the same name as me (certainly not

another

on FB), there's no way I'm using my actual first & last name.

Are you not Fenny Street on fb ?

No I are not.

--
Fenny

krw

2016-09-14 20:44:01 UTC

Post by the Omrud
Both my nephew (a teacher) and his girlfriend (a social worker) use
their middle names

Not helpful as I use my middle name. For personal purposes I did open
an account some time ago using a not quite real name (it was to maintain
a page for a society). I do not understand why I could not sign up as
the society which was the correct legal persona - not me.

--
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Fenny

2016-09-14 23:20:11 UTC

Post by the Omrud
Both my nephew (a teacher) and his girlfriend (a social worker) use
their middle names

Organisations can have a page, but not a personal account. Again, a
change in the t&c from when it started out being for people, not a
marketing tool to spam the real people.

--
Fenny

Anne B

2016-09-14 08:00:37 UTC

Post by krw
I can remember the ex-inlaws getting most upset about
neighbours hanging out the washing on a Sunday in Croydon.
Kosmo Richard W

When I was living in the North-West Highlands, a devout
churchgoing neighbour came to take me to task for having washing
out on a Sunday. I pointed out that I had washed the items and
hung them out on the Saturday, and it had been raining ever
since, and I did not want them dripping all over my
not-very-spacious kitchen. I asked him if I he was suggesting
that I should commit the sin of working on the Sabbath by taking
them in on Sunday. He went away nonplussed. They were eventually
dry enough to take in on about the Wednesday.

Anne B

Btms

2016-09-14 08:12:12 UTC

Post by krw
I can remember the ex-inlaws getting most upset about
neighbours hanging out the washing on a Sunday in Croydon.
Kosmo Richard W

Lol.

--
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Fenny

2016-09-14 17:51:16 UTC

Post by krw
I can remember the ex-inlaws getting most upset about
neighbours hanging out the washing on a Sunday in Croydon.
Kosmo Richard W

Of which month?

--
Fenny

the Omrud

2016-09-14 08:27:58 UTC

And no obvious radio experience.

I can remember the ex-inlaws getting most upset about neighbours hanging
out the washing on a Sunday in Croydon.

Wife's mother could not tolerate washing being left on a line in the
back garden if there was nobody in the house. Took me years to persuade
Wife that nobody actually cared.

--
David

Btms

2016-09-14 08:50:23 UTC

And no obvious radio experience.

I can remember the ex-inlaws getting most upset about neighbours hanging
out the washing on a Sunday in Croydon.

Wife's mother could not tolerate washing being left on a line in the
back garden if there was nobody in the house. Took me years to persuade
Wife that nobody actually cared.

Maybe there was some dim and distant rationale to this in thinking, that
while you were out, should it rain the washing would get wet. If you had
anything worth stealing, it advertised the house was unoccupied.

It is not uncommon, ime, for values to begin with a purpose and end up with
a rule with no purpose.

--
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Penny

2016-09-14 10:38:08 UTC

On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 08:50:23 -0000 (UTC), Btms <***@thetames.me.uk>
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Btms
It is not uncommon, ime, for values to begin with a purpose and end up with
a rule with no purpose.

I've met a lot of those which made no sense to me, often from nurses who
had learnt the 'rule' but never the reason for it so applied it all the
time instead of 'when necessary'.

--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

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Btms

2016-09-14 11:34:41 UTC

Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Btms
It is not uncommon, ime, for values to begin with a purpose and end up with
a rule with no purpose.

I've met a lot of those which made no sense to me, often from nurses who
had learnt the 'rule' but never the reason for it so applied it all the
time instead of 'when necessary'.

Or the old saying: rules are made for the obedience of fools and the
guidance of wise men.*

It is an OLD military saying.

--
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Fenny

2016-09-14 17:53:22 UTC

Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Btms
It is not uncommon, ime, for values to begin with a purpose and end up with
a rule with no purpose.

I've met a lot of those which made no sense to me, often from nurses who
had learnt the 'rule' but never the reason for it so applied it all the
time instead of 'when necessary'.

It's a fairly standard outlook amongst people who never question
anything. They are taught a job in a particular way and this is how
it Must Be Done.

Much as I love our senior administrator and really don't want her to
retire next month, I'm looking forward to some tasks becoming much
less convoluted!

--
Fenny

krw

2016-09-14 20:47:37 UTC

Post by Fenny
Much as I love our senior administrator and really don't want her to
retire next month, I'm looking forward to some tasks becoming much
less convoluted!

About 40 years ago I became treasurer of a society and the previous
treasurer had been trained in book keeping by the army and had been
taught a very clear procedure - day book, tracking references and so on.
All admirable and indeed would never go wrong.

The society banked with the then Girobank (remarkably cheap) and you
used to get a statement for each day's transactions. So instead of day
books and so on I just used the statement number (suffixed if more than
one on a single day) and saved a lot of writing up.

These days with spreadsheets it is so much simpler as it gets added up
as you go along!

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
tiny.cc/KRWpics

Fenny

2016-09-14 23:23:34 UTC

Post by krw
The society banked with the then Girobank (remarkably cheap)

I had a Girobank account. You could use it to send letters to people
by transferring 25p into their account and writing a message on the
back of the transfer slip. You used the freepost envelope to send the
slip to the bank and they sent it to the recipient. They replied by
transferring the 25p back. Much cheaper than paying for stamps!

They were good for forrin money, too. I used Girobank postcheques for
several of my overseas trips until I got paid to spend abroad.

--
Fenny

J. P. Gilliver (John)

2016-09-14 20:45:41 UTC

Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Btms
It is not uncommon, ime, for values to begin with a purpose and end up with
a rule with no purpose.

I've met a lot of those which made no sense to me, often from nurses who
had learnt the 'rule' but never the reason for it so applied it all the
time instead of 'when necessary'.

Yes, I find that sort of attitude wearing too.

However, my mother taught me (or possibly just told me - I suspect I
wouldn't be taught such a thing) that there are times when there _are_
good reasons for a rule, but you haven't the knowledge - or, sometimes,
the time to learn - to _understand_ the reason.

IIRR, she gave as example certain computing matters, where she just
wanted me to tell her how to do things, not why (i. e. not how the steps
to achieve the desired result did so).

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

A good pun is its own reword.

Penny

2016-09-14 21:53:38 UTC

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:45:41 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Btms
It is not uncommon, ime, for values to begin with a purpose and end up with
a rule with no purpose.

I've met a lot of those which made no sense to me, often from nurses who
had learnt the 'rule' but never the reason for it so applied it all the
time instead of 'when necessary'.

I was thinking in particular of certain things I was told to do with my
first born in the maternity hospital which made no sense to me at all and
seemed counterproductive so I ignored them and I've tended to be sceptical
about such things ever since.

Much has changed over the years regarding the 'rules' for new babies but I
was surprised to hear this same instruction - strip the baby, change its
nappy then dress her again before feeding - given (by a nurse) to d#2 about
her 2nd daughter. When the doctor arrived I asked her about it and she said
'Oh, that only applies if the baby is asleep, we need her awake so I can
see if she's feeding properly'. It only took 32 years to find someone who
knew the reason for that one.

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
IIRR, she gave as example certain computing matters, where she just
wanted me to tell her how to do things, not why (i. e. not how the steps
to achieve the desired result did so).

How unlike my father. One of my teenaged nephews tried to teach him the
basics but was frustrated because the old man kept wanting to know 'why'.
He used a computer for the next 25 years but was never quite comfortable
with them.

--
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Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

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Peter Percival

2016-09-14 21:59:50 UTC

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Btms
It is not uncommon, ime, for values to begin with a purpose and end up with
a rule with no purpose.

I've met a lot of those which made no sense to me, often from nurses who
had learnt the 'rule' but never the reason for it so applied it all the
time instead of 'when necessary'.

It is better to be governed by rules than by people.

Joe Kerr

2016-09-14 19:24:22 UTC

Post by krw
I can remember the ex-inlaws getting most upset about neighbours hanging
out the washing on a Sunday in Croydon.

Wife's mother could not tolerate washing being left on a line in the
back garden if there was nobody in the house. Took me years to persuade
Wife that nobody actually cared.

Maybe there was some dim and distant rationale to this in thinking, that
while you were out, should it rain the washing would get wet.

If you had decent neighbours they would fetch it in for you (as I recall)
after taking in their own, if you hadn't responded to their shout of
"Rain!".

Post by Btms
If you had
anything worth stealing, it advertised the house was unoccupied.

--
Ric.

Fenny

2016-09-14 20:27:32 UTC

Post by Joe Kerr
If you had decent neighbours they would fetch it in for you (as I recall)
after taking in their own, if you hadn't responded to their shout of
"Rain!".

My neighbours are in Spain for 2 months before moving North of the
Wall.

--
Fenny

krw

2016-09-14 20:48:20 UTC

Post by Joe Kerr
If you had decent neighbours they would fetch it in for you (as I recall)
after taking in their own, if you hadn't responded to their shout of
"Rain!".

My neighbours are in Spain for 2 months before moving North of the
Wall.

Trump will not have it built that quickly or do you mean the one in Calais?

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
tiny.cc/KRWpics

Peter Percival

2016-09-14 21:14:06 UTC

Post by Joe Kerr
If you had decent neighbours they would fetch it in for you (as I recall)
after taking in their own, if you hadn't responded to their shout of
"Rain!".

My neighbours are in Spain for 2 months before moving North of the
Wall.

Trump will not have it built that quickly or do you mean the one in Calais?

I had supposed Antonine or Hadrian's.

DoeS aNyBody know why it is the Antonine wall with a "the" but no "'s"
but Hadrian's wall with no "the" but an "'s"? Things like this keep me
awake at night.

Paul Wolff

2016-09-14 22:11:07 UTC

Post by Fenny
My neighbours are in Spain for 2 months before moving North of the
Wall.

Trump will not have it built that quickly or do you mean the one in Calais?

I had supposed Antonine or Hadrian's.
DoeS aNyBody know why it is the Antonine wall with a "the" but no "'s"
but Hadrian's wall with no "the" but an "'s"? Things like this keep me
awake at night.

Well, obviously. You are at liberty to speak of Antoninus' Wall (and I'm
not taking the Pius) if you wish, and to contrast it with the Hadriatic
Wall further south - and hwat[1] is more, to call the heighth letter of
the halphabet haitch if the mood takes you.

[1] Old Saxon. Don't complain.

--
Paul

Sally Thompson

2016-09-14 16:56:13 UTC

And no obvious radio experience.

I can remember the ex-inlaws getting most upset about neighbours hanging
out the washing on a Sunday in Croydon.

Wife's mother could not tolerate washing being left on a line in the
back garden if there was nobody in the house. Took me years to persuade
Wife that nobody actually cared.

Whereas we used to sometimes leave washing out deliberately while we were
on holiday, so that it looked as though someone was there.

--
Sally in Shropshire, UK

Chris J Dixon

2016-09-15 07:03:12 UTC

Post by Sally Thompson
Whereas we used to sometimes leave washing out deliberately while we were
on holiday, so that it looked as though someone was there.

I suppose I should construct an inflatable caravan to leave on
the drive?

Chris

--
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'48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
***@cdixon.me.uk
Plant amazing Acers.

Sam Plusnet

2016-09-28 19:13:20 UTC

Post by Chris J Dixon

Post by Sally Thompson
Whereas we used to sometimes leave washing out deliberately while we were
on holiday, so that it looked as though someone was there.

I suppose I should construct an inflatable caravan to leave on
the drive?

Ask/allow a (reliable) neighbour to park their vehicle on
your drive?

Do make sure they're prepared to hand back the parking
space in time for your return.

krw

2016-09-28 20:23:13 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Chris J Dixon

Post by Sally Thompson
Whereas we used to sometimes leave washing out deliberately while we were
on holiday, so that it looked as though someone was there.

I suppose I should construct an inflatable caravan to leave on
the drive?

Ask/allow a (reliable) neighbour to park their vehicle on
your drive?
Do make sure they're prepared to hand back the parking
space in time for your return.

We have solved the problem of the house being empty for more than the
number of days permitted by the insurers due to holidays - we asked
daughter and grandson to move in. Trouble is we do not know when they
will move out.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
tiny.cc/KRWpics

the Omrud

2016-09-29 08:18:22 UTC

Post by krw
We have solved the problem of the house being empty for more than the
number of days permitted by the insurers due to holidays - we asked
daughter and grandson to move in. Trouble is we do not know when they
will move out.

I've been looking into this - my current policy says that it's absence
of the policy holder which is important, and that occasional overnight
visits don't count.

--
David

Jane Vernon

2016-09-29 08:57:07 UTC

I've been looking into this - my current policy says that it's absence
of the policy holder which is important, and that occasional overnight
visits don't count.

Mine never did. In the days when I was going to France for months at a
time, I did check with my insurers and they were happy with occasional
housesitters. It was the more than 30 consecutive days unoccupied for
them.

--
Jane
The Potter in the Purple socks - to reply, please remove PURPLE
BTME

http://www.clothandclay.co.uk/umra/cookbook.htm - Umrats' recipes

krw

2016-09-29 09:05:59 UTC

Post by Jane Vernon

I've been looking into this - my current policy says that it's absence
of the policy holder which is important, and that occasional overnight
visits don't count.

Yes different insurers, different policies.

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Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
tiny.cc/KRWpics

Anne B

2016-09-29 08:52:20 UTC

Post by krw
We have solved the problem of the house being empty for more
than the
number of days permitted by the insurers due to holidays - we
asked
daughter and grandson to move in. Trouble is we do not know
when they
will move out.

I've been looking into this - my current policy says that it's
absence of the policy holder which is important, and that
occasional overnight visits don't count.
David

I had similar problems when I went to New Zealand for 10 weeks.
I got an ex-policeman friend who was between houses of his own
to live in and house-sit for most of the time I was away, but he
wasn't acceptable to the insurance company. Once I had been away
for 60 days, the house was uninsured unless my spouse, mother,
father, son, daughter, brother or sister came to stay for 5
successive nights. This seems to me to be extremely unfair as
there must be people who don't actually have anyone eligible in
the eyes of the insurance companies to revalidate their
insurance at all.

Anne B

Sally Thompson

2016-09-29 09:57:20 UTC

I've been looking into this - my current policy says that it's absence
of the policy holder which is important, and that occasional overnight
visits don't count.

We have a house sitter, which is fine by our insurance company but they
won't cover theft by the sitter (obviously!). We use <www.mindmyhouse.com>
which I thoroughly recommend.

--
Sally in Shropshire, UK

Fenny

2016-09-28 22:07:20 UTC

On 14 Sep 2016 16:56:13 GMT, Sally Thompson

Post by Sally Thompson
Whereas we used to sometimes leave washing out deliberately while we were
on holiday, so that it looked as though someone was there.

I avoid tidying the kitchen at any point, so anyone who looks through
the kitchen window would have no idea whether I'm resident or not!

Leaving the place spotless for a couple of weeks is a dead give away
that the house is empty. Or that someone has broken in and committed
housework!

--
Fenny

Sally Thompson

2016-09-28 22:12:54 UTC

Post by Fenny
On 14 Sep 2016 16:56:13 GMT, Sally Thompson

Post by Sally Thompson
Whereas we used to sometimes leave washing out deliberately while we were
on holiday, so that it looked as though someone was there.

I avoid tidying the kitchen at any point, so anyone who looks through
the kitchen window would have no idea whether I'm resident or not!
Leaving the place spotless for a couple of weeks is a dead give away
that the house is empty. Or that someone has broken in and committed
housework!

If that happens a lot to you, I'll give you my address to leave for them😏

--
Sally in Shropshire, UK

Penny

2016-09-28 22:27:47 UTC

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 23:07:20 +0100, Fenny <***@onetel.com>
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Fenny
On 14 Sep 2016 16:56:13 GMT, Sally Thompson

Post by Sally Thompson
Whereas we used to sometimes leave washing out deliberately while we were
on holiday, so that it looked as though someone was there.

I avoid tidying the kitchen at any point, so anyone who looks through
the kitchen window would have no idea whether I'm resident or not!

This is the best excuse I've ever heard! I did wonder, earlier in the year
when I was away for weeks at a time, returning home briefly before zooming
off again, if I should rearrange the mess in my kitchen on each trip home
or if it was more authentic the way it was.

Post by Fenny
Leaving the place spotless for a couple of weeks is a dead give away
that the house is empty. Or that someone has broken in and committed
housework!

:))

When my children were small my very best friend would do just that while we
were on holiday. She'd feed the cat and tidy and clean a bit each day to
give him some company.

The children were used to coming home sometimes to find messages on the
fridge 'from the fairies' so they KNEW it was the fairies that had tidied
their rooms (and left sweets) while we were away.

--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

Chris McMillan

2016-09-29 13:13:00 UTC

Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Fenny
On 14 Sep 2016 16:56:13 GMT, Sally Thompson

Post by Sally Thompson
Whereas we used to sometimes leave washing out deliberately while we were
on holiday, so that it looked as though someone was there.

I avoid tidying the kitchen at any point, so anyone who looks through
the kitchen window would have no idea whether I'm resident or not!

Post by Fenny
Leaving the place spotless for a couple of weeks is a dead give away
that the house is empty. Or that someone has broken in and committed
housework!

:))
When my children were small my very best friend would do just that while we
were on holiday. She'd feed the cat and tidy and clean a bit each day to
give him some company.
The children were used to coming home sometimes to find messages on the
fridge 'from the fairies' so they KNEW it was the fairies that had tidied
their rooms (and left sweets) while we were away.

Lol!! What a lucky cat!!

Sincerely Chris

Flop

2016-09-29 13:24:51 UTC

Post by Fenny
On 14 Sep 2016 16:56:13 GMT, Sally Thompson

Post by Sally Thompson
Whereas we used to sometimes leave washing out deliberately while we were
on holiday, so that it looked as though someone was there.

Reminds me of my student days when a friend was burgled.

Police attended and commented that the burglars must have been looking
for something as they had really turned the place over.

"No. It normally looks like that".

--
Flop

Insanity is hereditary, you get it from your children

Fenny

2016-09-29 19:23:54 UTC

Post by Flop

Post by Fenny
On 14 Sep 2016 16:56:13 GMT, Sally Thompson

Post by Sally Thompson
Whereas we used to sometimes leave washing out deliberately while we were
on holiday, so that it looked as though someone was there.

Reminds me of my student days when a friend was burgled.
Police attended and commented that the burglars must have been looking
for something as they had really turned the place over.
"No. It normally looks like that".

When I was burgled in my first house [1], the attending detective said
"I apologise for asking, but how can you be sure you've been burgled"

I said that the large empty space where the television, video and hifi
kit had been were the deciding factors, but the stuff strewn about the
floor was mostly there beforehand. However, there were several more
video tapes and cases on the floor than usual and they had been
trodden on - something I was careful to avoid doing.

Upstairs was a different matter, as I'd never actually leave drawers
lying upside down on the floor.

[1] When I was burgled in the current house, the instant indicators,
as I came in through the back gate after dark, was that all the lights
in the house were on. I may sometimes leave the bedroom or kitchen
light on, but I never turn on the living room or spare bedroom light
before leaving in the morning. I knew by looking through the back
door that there was something seriously amiss.

--
Fenny

Btms

2016-09-13 15:20:25 UTC

And no obvious radio experience.

Oh? So you read it thoroughly.

--
Editor in Waiting and Btms. aka Dame Jean Harvey

Peter Percival

2016-09-13 14:12:00 UTC

That url led me to
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/2XJYhZlXZrV6vjrt6MxjBQb/5-things-the-new-editor-of-the-archers-needs-to-know
and:

"It may seem an enviable role but the challenges it brings with it are
immense. Not only does the editor have to weave engaging plot lines
around the fates of the residents of Ambridge, these plots also have to
chime with the prevailing mood of Britain, like the issues facing young
families, the older generation and school leavers, as well as
agricultural policy."

It's the words "these plots also have to chime with the prevailing mood
of Britain" that caused me to ask "really?" If it's true then the
editor and writers face an unsurmountable difficulty: generally they
don't have a clue or care a damn about the prevailing mood of Britain.

(Please excuse my intemperate language.)

Btms

2016-09-13 15:20:25 UTC

I just clicked on this link and for a moment thought they had appointed a
Jersey cow. At first glance, I can't see any radio drama experience? Was
only a glance though.

--
Editor in Waiting and Btms. aka Dame Jean Harvey

Steve Hague

2016-09-13 16:02:06 UTC

Huw Kennair-Jones appointed editors&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=radio_and_music

I just clicked on this link and for a moment thought they had appointed a
Jersey cow. At first glance, I can't see any radio drama experience? Was
only a glance though.

The BBC's entertainments teletext page earlier today has him as a former
producer of New Trick. Can't see that anywhere else though.
Steve

Iain Archer

2016-09-14 10:41:50 UTC

Post by Steve Hague

Post by krw
Huw Kennair-Jones appointed
editors&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=radio_and_music

I just clicked on this link and for a moment thought they had
appointed a Jersey cow. At first glance, I can't see any radio drama
experience? Was only a glance though.

The BBC's entertainments teletext page earlier today has him as a
former producer of New Trick. Can't see that anywhere else though.

New Tricks series 12, according to his CV at
<http://www.saraputt.co.uk/clients/profile/Default.aspx?id=636589&name=Hu
w+Kennair-Jones>. That's the series in which D Waterman left.

IMDB is a more complete source.

--
Iain

Btms

2016-09-14 11:34:41 UTC

Post by Steve Hague

Post by krw
Huw Kennair-Jones appointed
editors&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=radio_and_music

I just clicked on this link and for a moment thought they had
appointed a Jersey cow. At first glance, I can't see any radio drama
experience? Was only a glance though.

The BBC's entertainments teletext page earlier today has him as a
former producer of New Trick. Can't see that anywhere else though.

And the rest of the cast threw in the towel soon afterwards. Hmm?

--
Editor in Waiting and Btms. aka Dame Jean Harvey

Fenny

2016-09-14 17:54:27 UTC