Scotland "On target for 100% renewable energy by 2020.

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from renewable
sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod
Scotland looks set for its highest ever renewables output, and could
produce almost a third of its electricity from renewable sources by
the end of 2011.

The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of Energy and
Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first three quarters of
2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last year's totals and 83 per
cent of the previous record year.

The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over the
fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable electricity
in Scotland.

It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy by 2020
is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient capacity in
Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent of electricity
demand from renewables in 2011.

Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the year, while
Scotland continued to be a net exporter of electricity in 2010,
exporting 21 per cent of electricity generated.

Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth of
renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another £46bn
worth are in the pipeline.

"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in Scotland,"
he said in a statement. "These figures show that it is on course to be
truly the best year yet."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewable-electricity-record-year?newsfeed=true

Not a good day to be a Luddite.

[soupdragon]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from renewable
sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod
Scotland looks set for its highest ever renewables output, and could
produce almost a third of its electricity from renewable sources by
the end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of Energy and
Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first three quarters of
2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last year's totals and 83 per
cent of the previous record year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over the
fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable electricity
in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy by 2020
is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient capacity in
Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent of electricity
demand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the year, while
Scotland continued to be a net exporter of electricity in 2010,
exporting 21 per cent of electricity generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth of
renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another £46bn
worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in Scotland,"
he said in a statement. "These figures show that it is on course to be
truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewable-el
ectricity-record-year?newsfeed=true
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

A quick read of the associated pdf reveals that almost half the
increase (43%) as from the hydro sector, caused primarily by heavier
rainfall - which, in turn, was attributed global warming elsewhere! On
shore wind output actually fell.

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by soupdragon

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from renewable
sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod
Scotland looks set for its highest ever renewables output, and could
produce almost a third of its electricity from renewable sources by
the end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of Energy and
Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first three quarters of
2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last year's totals and 83 per
cent of the previous record year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over the
fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable electricity
in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy by 2020
is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient capacity in
Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent of electricity
demand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the year, while
Scotland continued to be a net exporter of electricity in 2010,
exporting 21 per cent of electricity generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth of
renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another £46bn
worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in Scotland,"
he said in a statement. "These figures show that it is on course to be
truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewable-el
ectricity-record-year?newsfeed=true
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

A quick read of the associated pdf reveals that almost half the
increase (43%) as from the hydro sector, caused primarily by heavier
rainfall - which, in turn, was attributed global warming elsewhere! On
shore wind output actually fell.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Renewable energy is the fastest growing industry on Earth bar none.
The disconnect between the perception and what is actualy happening in
the field world-wide is simply amazing.

See you in 2020 knuckledragger.

[soupdragon]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

innews:05540bb4-0e94-49

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from
renewable sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod
Scotland looks set for its highest ever renewables output, and
could produce almost a third of its electricity from renewable
sources by the end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of Energy
and Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first three quarters
of 2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last year's totals and
83 per cent of the previous record year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over the
fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable
electricity in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy by
2020 is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient capacity
in Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent of
electricity demand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the year,
while Scotland continued to be a net exporter of electricity in
2010, exporting 21 per cent of electricity generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth of
renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another £46bn
worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in
Scotland," he said in a statement. "These figures show that it is
on course to be truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewable-
el
ectricity-record-year?newsfeed=true
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

A quick read of the associated pdf reveals that almost half the
increase (43%) as from the hydro sector, caused primarily by heavier
rainfall - which, in turn, was attributed global warming elsewhere!
On shore wind output actually fell.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Renewable energy is the fastest growing industry on Earth bar none.

Of course it is. Scaremongering is always an excellent business
generator.

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by soupdragon

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

innews:05540bb4-0e94-49

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from
renewable sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod
Scotland looks set for its highest ever renewables output, and
could produce almost a third of its electricity from renewable
sources by the end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of Energy
and Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first three quarters
of 2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last year's totals and
83 per cent of the previous record year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over the
fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable
electricity in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy by
2020 is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient capacity
in Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent of
electricity demand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the year,
while Scotland continued to be a net exporter of electricity in
2010, exporting 21 per cent of electricity generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth of
renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another £46bn
worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in
Scotland," he said in a statement. "These figures show that it is
on course to be truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewable-
el
ectricity-record-year?newsfeed=true
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

A quick read of the associated pdf reveals that almost half the
increase (43%) as from the hydro sector, caused primarily by heavier
rainfall - which, in turn, was attributed global warming elsewhere!
On shore wind output actually fell.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Renewable energy is the fastest growing industry on Earth bar none.

Of course it is. Scaremongering is always an excellent business
generator.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

'scaremongerng' Oh dear.
You've been surfing those denier-porn blogs again havn't you.

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".... Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF) found that clean energy
investment worldwide reached $243 billion in 2010, nearly double the
sector investment just four years earlier. And venture capital
investment for clean technology in the US rose 54% in the first
quarter of 2011 compared with the same period one year earlier, in a
trend led by solar energy companies, according to Ernst & Young...."

Who could have predicted that? Oh wait - I did.

[soupdragon]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

innews:d747aa4e-c1eb-40

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

innews:05540bb4-0e94-49

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from
renewable sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod
Scotland looks set for its highest ever renewables output, and
could produce almost a third of its electricity from renewable
sources by the end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of Energy
and Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first three
quarters of 2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last year's
totals and 83 per cent of the previous record year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over
the fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable
electricity in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy by
2020 is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient
capacity in Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent
of electricity demand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the year,
while Scotland continued to be a net exporter of electricity in
2010, exporting 21 per cent of electricity generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth of
renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another
£46bn worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in
Scotland," he said in a statement. "These figures show that it
is on course to be truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewab
le- el
ectricity-record-year?newsfeed=true
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

A quick read of the associated pdf reveals that almost half the
increase (43%) as from the hydro sector, caused primarily by
heavier rainfall - which, in turn, was attributed global warming
elsewhere! On shore wind output actually fell.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Renewable energy is the fastest growing industry on Earth bar none.

Of course it is. Scaremongering is always an excellent business
generator.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

'scaremongerng' Oh dear.

Glad you recognise it as a common method of driving an industry.

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
You've been surfing those denier-porn blogs again havn't you.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Neither do you, by the look of
things. You must be one of those building a career on grants from the
scaremongering-driven gravy train, given the tone of your reaction.
Doubtless you spend much of your time hoping from expensive junket tp
expensive junket agreeing to nothing.

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfjxcbm7wq1qzhl7go1_500.png
".... Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF) found that clean energy
investment worldwide reached $243 billion in 2010, nearly double the
sector investment just four years earlier. And venture capital
investment for clean technology in the US rose 54% in the first
quarter of 2011 compared with the same period one year earlier, in a
trend led by solar energy companies, according to Ernst & Young...."

Ah, Bloomberg Energy. A business based on pursueding people to invest
in 'renewable' energy sources. Now why would they be talking up the
situation, I wonder? Could it be they have a vested interest?

Reading a little more into your own source reveals:

Wind
The wind industry had a tough 2010 with annual installations shrinking
for the first time since 2004.

Oh really??

Marine
Electricity from wave is estimated to cost seven times as much as coal-
fired power, and electricity from tidal stream turbines five times as
much.

So still a way to go..

Hydro
Traditionally the lowest-profile of the world's clean energy sectors,
small hydro (projects under 50MW) saw a lull in investment activity after
the financial crisis.

Oh dear!

So where's all this investment coming from?

Solar
Solar is renewable energy's fastest-growing sector, with photovoltaic
installations climbing 160% in 2010. But while the industry has enjoyed
brisk sales and high pricing, 2011 is expected to see much slower demand
growth and higher module supply.

Ah, so the cul de sac is where its all gone. And there's the question of
serious environmental damage in obtaining the materials looming ahead.

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Who could have predicted that? Oh wait - I did.

What? The same person who was rejoicing in increased output by hydro
which as it turned out, was a *result* of global warming? Riiiight...

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by soupdragon

innews:d747aa4e-c1eb-40

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

innews:05540bb4-0e94-49

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from
renewable sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod
Scotland looks set for its highest ever renewables output, and
could produce almost a third of its electricity from renewable
sources by the end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of Energy
and Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first three
quarters of 2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last year's
totals and 83 per cent of the previous record year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over
the fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable
electricity in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy by
2020 is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient
capacity in Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent
of electricity demand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the year,
while Scotland continued to be a net exporter of electricity in
2010, exporting 21 per cent of electricity generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth of
renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another
£46bn worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in
Scotland," he said in a statement. "These figures show that it
is on course to be truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewab
le- el
ectricity-record-year?newsfeed=true
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

A quick read of the associated pdf reveals that almost half the
increase (43%) as from the hydro sector, caused primarily by
heavier rainfall - which, in turn, was attributed global warming
elsewhere! On shore wind output actually fell.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Renewable energy is the fastest growing industry on Earth bar none.

Of course it is. Scaremongering is always an excellent business
generator.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

 'scaremongerng' Oh dear.

Glad you recognise it as a common method of driving an industry.

You've been surfing those denier-porn blogs again havn't you.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Neither do you, by the look of
things. You must be one of those building a career on grants from the
scaremongering-driven gravy train, given the tone of your reaction.
Doubtless you spend much of your time hoping from expensive junket tp
expensive junket agreeing to nothing.

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfjxcbm7wq1qzhl7go1_500.png
".... Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF) found that clean energy
investment worldwide reached $243 billion in 2010, nearly double the
sector investment just four years earlier. And venture capital
investment for clean technology in the US rose 54% in the first
quarter of 2011 compared with the same period one year earlier, in a
trend led by solar energy companies, according to Ernst & Young...."

Ah, Bloomberg Energy. A business based on pursueding people to invest
in 'renewable' energy sources. Now why would they be talking up the
situation, I wonder? Could it be they have a vested interest?
Wind
The wind industry had a tough 2010 with annual installations shrinking
for the first time since 2004.
Oh really??
Marine
Electricity from wave is estimated to cost seven times as much as coal-
fired power, and electricity from tidal stream turbines five times as
much.
So still a way to go..
Hydro
Traditionally the lowest-profile of the world's clean energy sectors,
small hydro (projects under 50MW) saw a lull in investment activity after
the financial crisis.
Oh dear!
So where's all this investment coming from?
Solar
Solar is renewable energy's fastest-growing sector, with photovoltaic
installations climbing 160% in 2010. But while the industry has enjoyed
brisk sales and high pricing, 2011 is expected to see much slower demand
growth and higher module supply.
Ah, so the cul de sac is where its all gone. And there's the question of
serious environmental damage in obtaining the materials looming ahead.

Who could have predicted that? Oh wait - I did.

What? The same person who was rejoicing in increased output by hydro
which as it turned out, was a *result* of global warming? Riiiight...- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

heh heh. You sound desperate - attacking one source of information
that you don't like is pathetic. Every other source confirms the
figures whether you like them or not.
Ain't facts a bitch for the last of the climate change deniers.
Give it up - you are just making a fool of yourself. Renewables is the
fastest growing industry in the world. Fact.
Climate change is happening and is due mainly to human emissions. No-
one outside you denier-porn blogs is even 'debating' this anymore. We
are already past that and working out what to do about it.

You and the rest of the deluded "it's all a hoax" wingnuts are smply
the butt of jokes these days.

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[Scotty]

On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 19:34:22 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
heh heh. You sound desperate - attacking one source of information
that you don't like is pathetic. Every other source confirms the
figures whether you like them or not.
Ain't facts a bitch for the last of the climate change deniers.
Give it up - you are just making a fool of yourself. Renewables is the
fastest growing industry in the world. Fact.
Climate change is happening and is due mainly to human emissions. No-
one outside you denier-porn blogs is even 'debating' this anymore. We
are already past that and working out what to do about it.
You and the rest of the deluded "it's all a hoax" wingnuts are smply
the butt of jokes these days.
http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/cgo/lowres/cgon402l.jpg

And Happy Xmas to you to, Adam.

http://www.cartoonsbyjosh.com/2011.html

[soupdragon]

Post by Peter Jason

innews:8792c33a-978f-49

innews:d747aa4e-c1eb-40

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

innews:05540bb4-0e94-49

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from
renewable sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod
Scotland looks set for its highest ever renewables output,
and could produce almost a third of its electricity from
renewable sources by the end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of
Energy and Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first
three quarters of 2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of
last year's totals and 83 per cent of the previous record
year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues
over the fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for
renewable electricity in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy
by 2020 is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient
capacity in Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per
cent of electricity demand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the
year, while Scotland continued to be a net exporter of
electricity in 2010, exporting 21 per cent of electricity
generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth
of renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while
another £46bn worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in
Scotland," he said in a statement. "These figures show that
it is on course to be truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-rene
wab le- el
ectricity-record-year?newsfeed=true
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

A quick read of the associated pdf reveals that almost half the
increase (43%) as from the hydro sector, caused primarily by
heavier rainfall - which, in turn, was attributed global
warming elsewhere! On shore wind output actually fell.- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Renewable energy is the fastest growing industry on Earth bar none.

Of course it is. Scaremongering is always an excellent business
generator.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

 'scaremongerng' Oh dear.

Glad you recognise it as a common method of driving an industry.

You've been surfing those denier-porn blogs again havn't you.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Neither do you, by the
look of things. You must be one of those building a career on grants
from the scaremongering-driven gravy train, given the tone of your
reaction. Doubtless you spend much of your time hoping from expensive
junket tp expensive junket agreeing to nothing.

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfjxcbm7wq1qzhl7go1_500.png
".... Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF) found that clean energy
investment worldwide reached $243 billion in 2010, nearly double
the sector investment just four years earlier. And venture capital
investment for clean technology in the US rose 54% in the first
quarter of 2011 compared with the same period one year earlier, in
a trend led by solar energy companies, according to Ernst &
Young...."

Ah, Bloomberg Energy. A business based on pursueding people to invest
in 'renewable' energy sources. Now why would they be talking up the
situation, I wonder? Could it be they have a vested interest?
Wind
The wind industry had a tough 2010 with annual installations
shrinking for the first time since 2004.
Oh really??
Marine
Electricity from wave is estimated to cost seven times as much as
coal- fired power, and electricity from tidal stream turbines five
times as much.
So still a way to go..
Hydro
Traditionally the lowest-profile of the world's clean energy sectors,
small hydro (projects under 50MW) saw a lull in investment activity
after the financial crisis.
Oh dear!
So where's all this investment coming from?
Solar
Solar is renewable energy's fastest-growing sector, with photovoltaic
installations climbing 160% in 2010. But while the industry has
enjoyed brisk sales and high pricing, 2011 is expected to see much
slower demand growth and higher module supply.
Ah, so the cul de sac is where its all gone. And there's the question
of serious environmental damage in obtaining the materials looming
ahead.

Who could have predicted that? Oh wait - I did.

What? The same person who was rejoicing in increased output by hydro
which as it turned out, was a *result* of global warming?
Riiiight...- Hi

de quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

heh heh. You sound desperate

Hardly. More like enjoying watching you jump through hoops.

Post by Peter Jason
- attacking one source of information
that you don't like is pathetic.

It was your source, dear boy. One that you clearly hadn't bothered to
read fully before posting it here. Sounds to me like you're the one
who's desperate.

Post by Peter Jason
Every other source confirms the
figures whether you like them or not.

You haven't provided any, just this one which says it's wrong. Oops!

[desperate tap dancing deleted unread)

[conway caine]

"Adam Whyte-Settlar" wrote in message news:afcf0d06-2aa1-4504-8d6b-***@t36g2000prj.googlegroups.com...

Ain't facts a bitch for the last of the climate change deniers.

***Some observations I've made here in Charlotte.
Eucalyptus now grows here.
Robins, which used to do their Spring migration north in February-March, now
flap through in December-January.
Certain species of Palm Trees are thriving.
Bermuda Grass is taking over Fescue yards.
There is more but I am not one to bore.

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Ain't facts a bitch for the last of the climate change deniers.
***Some observations I've made here in Charlotte.
Eucalyptus now grows here.
Robins, which used to do their Spring migration north in February-March, now
flap through in  December-January.
Certain species of Palm Trees are thriving.
Bermuda Grass is taking over Fescue yards.
There is more but I am not one to bore.

Whole habitats are moving north. Why wouldn't they.
Oh yeah - because "The Ice Has Recovered(TM)" I was forgeting that.

I don't know if you are aware of this but the growing regions of the
world are classified into "Hardiness Zones" as an aid to growers and
farmers when they are deciding which crops to grow.
Since 1990, as the world has warmed, these Hardiness Zones have moved
north several hundred miles and the maps have had to be continualy
redrawn to take acount of the 'migration'.
Almost half of the US has moved through an entire 'zone' and some
areas have moved through two zones!

Here's the animated map that shows this quite graphicaly. Click on the
'difference' button to see the changes in just the last 20 years.

http://www.arborday.org/media/mapchanges.cfm

And that's even as "We are head into another ice age" of course. (I
kid you not - that's just one of the claims on the denier-porn blog
curcuit this month!)

At least you aren't claiming "No warming since [insert favourite year
here]" and then linking to a graph that shows warming, as some bozo
just did.
Hint: you don't plot a trend by drawing a straight line from an
outlier peak to an outlier trough. Not unless you are a complete idiot
that is.
Laughable really, if it wasn't so tragic.

[Scotty]

On Sat, 24 Dec 2011 10:44:46 -0500, "conway caine"

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Ain't facts a bitch for the last of the climate change deniers.
***Some observations I've made here in Charlotte.
Eucalyptus now grows here.
Robins, which used to do their Spring migration north in February-March, now
flap through in December-January.
Certain species of Palm Trees are thriving.
Bermuda Grass is taking over Fescue yards.
There is more but I am not one to bore.

That's interesting, I'll have to think about that for a while...

It doesn't seem to be the case in the UK. One data point:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/oct/19/arctic-swans-bewick-arrival
complete with full data since 1964.

"This year, the first swans to arrive at WWT Slimbridge Wetland centre
in Gloucestershire, landed on the 25th October - a week later than last
year and possibly signaling the start of a warmer winter".

A late arrival seems to indicate a warm winter whereas early indicates
colder weather.

"The mean arrival date is 21st October when Slimbridge anticipate the first
arrivals".

"The latest arrival was on the 4th December 1964 by two swans named Pink
and Rebecca". I don't know whether that winter was hot or cold but the
expectation is that it was warm...

"Swans' early arrival hints at cold winter"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/oct/19/uk-weather-cold-winter-swans?

The earliest, hence the probability of a cold winter was 1980

So, over interpreting the data would indicate that 1964 was warmer than
this year, 1980 was colder and this year was right in the middle.

Seems like a wash to me. Oh, data here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/oct/19/arctic-swans-bewick-arrival#data

and a spreadsheat here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AonYZs4MzlZbdFNyNHQxZVFmUGJlcmdvNUptY3B1MGc#gid=0

Have fun
Scott

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
heh heh. You sound desperate - attacking one source of information
that you don't like is pathetic. Every other source confirms the
figures whether you like them or not.
Ain't facts a bitch for the last of the climate change deniers.
Give it up - you are just making a fool of yourself. Renewables is the
fastest growing industry in the world. Fact.
Climate change is happening and is due mainly to human emissions. No-
one outside you denier-porn blogs is even 'debating' this anymore. We
are already past that and working out what to do about it.
You and the rest of the deluded "it's all a hoax" wingnuts are smply
the butt of jokes these days.
http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/cgo/lowres/cgon402l.jpg

If you're on a dial-up these short videos may be difficult for you to view.
But here's four anyway, each is about 30 seconds in length. They're all from
the 'Clean Coal' crowd and they really play on the average American's heart
strings.

According to this one coal accounts for 50% of America's electricity, I
recently read it was 20%, so I'm not sure which % is correct.

cheers....Jeff

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton
According to this one coal accounts for 50% of America's electricity, I
recently read it was 20%, so I'm not sure which % is correct.
http://youtu.be/ZmVDu_gIpc4
  cheers....Jeff- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Just as a matter of interest - globaly, fossil fuels recieved *$430
billion dollars* in subsidies last year.

A lot of it was end user subsidies in oil rich countries, but it's
still a subsidy.
And several orders of magnitude more than all the subsidies for all
renewables put together.

Just shows what a crock of shit the "Renewables are only in it for the
subsidies" meme truly is.
You would think that everybody would be keen to get off oil and coal
even without the threat of Global Warming.

This sums up the attitude quite well I think:

Loading Image...

[Fred J. McCall]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Just as a matter of interest - globaly, fossil fuels recieved *$430
billion dollars* in subsidies last year.

And produced how much in taxes?

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
A lot of it was end user subsidies in oil rich countries, but it's
still a subsidy.

You're talking about things like the refined fuel subsidies in Iran,
no doubt.

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
And several orders of magnitude more than all the subsidies for all
renewables put together.

So your claim is that renewables worldwide only receive on the order
of $4 billion or so in subsidies? I'm going to call bullshit on that
one.

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Just shows what a crock of shit the "Renewables are only in it for the
subsidies" meme truly is.

Yeah, some of them are actually deluded enough to think they can make
a go of it if only they can get enough government money and government
force behind them.

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
You would think that everybody would be keen to get off oil and coal
even without the threat of Global Warming.

Why would you think that? You think people WANT to spend more to get
less?

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kv3hulqb5x1qaql2qo1_500.jpg

'Think' is what you don't do.

But we wouldn't expect anything less (or anything more) from you.

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton
According to this one coal accounts for 50% of America's
electricity, I recently read it was 20%, so I'm not sure which % is
correct.
http://youtu.be/ZmVDu_gIpc4
cheers....Jeff- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Just as a matter of interest - globaly, fossil fuels recieved *$430
billion dollars* in subsidies last year.
A lot of it was end user subsidies in oil rich countries, but it's
still a subsidy.
And several orders of magnitude more than all the subsidies for all
renewables put together.
Just shows what a crock of shit the "Renewables are only in it for the
subsidies" meme truly is.
You would think that everybody would be keen to get off oil and coal
even without the threat of Global Warming.
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kv3hulqb5x1qaql2qo1_500.jpg

I like that cartoon, so I've put it in my Global Warming folder.

cheers....Jeff

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton
According to this one coal accounts for 50% of America's electricity, I
recently read it was 20%, so I'm not sure which % is correct.

It was about 30% in 2010 according to official figures.

http://205.254.135.7/electricity/annual/pdf/table1.2.pdf

Renewables now contribute more than nuclear and I believe the figure
rose by another 54% this year and is forcast to do the same next year.
Somewhere in that ballpark anyway- Meaning that renewables will be
providing more than double the power from nuclear within a couple of
years.

The disconnect between what the denial industry would have us believe
and the reality on the ground is simply extraordinary.
But then when you are up against the PR departments of a ruthless
*Nine Trillion* dollar industry that's always going to be the case if
you don't check the facts for yourself.

[Fred J. McCall]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton
According to this one coal accounts for 50% of America's electricity, I
recently read it was 20%, so I'm not sure which % is correct.

It was about 30% in 2010 according to official figures.
http://205.254.135.7/electricity/annual/pdf/table1.2.pdf

No, it isn't. You're looking at maximum capacity numbers and not what
is actually generated. A lot of those 'maximum' numbers are never
reached for any source that isn't part of base load (which means it's
never reached for natural gas or renewables).

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
The disconnect between what the denial industry would have us believe
and the reality on the ground is simply extraordinary.

And the disconnect between what Adam would have us believe and the
reality on the ground is totally preposterous.

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
But then when you are up against the PR departments of a ruthless
*Nine Trillion* dollar industry that's always going to be the case if
you don't check the facts for yourself.

A pity you don't know which 'facts' you actually have and always try
to spin them into something else.

[killwhang]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton
According to this one coal accounts for 50% of America's electricity, I
recently read it was 20%, so I'm not sure which % is correct.

It was about 30% in 2010 according to official figures.
http://205.254.135.7/electricity/annual/pdf/table1.2.pdf

No, it isn't.  You're looking at maximum capacity numbers and not what
is actually generated.  A lot of those 'maximum' numbers are never
reached for any source that isn't part of base load (which means it's
never reached for natural gas or renewables).

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
The disconnect between what the denial industry would have us believe
and the reality on the ground is simply extraordinary.

And the disconnect between what Adam would have us believe and the
reality on the ground is totally preposterous.

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
But then when you are up against the PR departments of a ruthless
*Nine Trillion* dollar industry that's always going to be the case if
you don't check the facts for yourself.

A pity you don't know which 'facts' you actually have and always try
to spin them into something else.
--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
 your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
                             -- Mark Twain

That's it Freddy boy, you have a good argument with him. he's your
intellectual level so you should be able to handle him easy enough.


Hardy

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton
According to this one coal accounts for 50% of America's
electricity, I recently read it was 20%, so I'm not sure which % is
correct.

It was about 30% in 2010 according to official figures.
http://205.254.135.7/electricity/annual/pdf/table1.2.pdf
Renewables now contribute more than nuclear and I believe the figure
rose by another 54% this year and is forcast to do the same next year.
Somewhere in that ballpark anyway- Meaning that renewables will be
providing more than double the power from nuclear within a couple of
years.
The disconnect between what the denial industry would have us believe
and the reality on the ground is simply extraordinary.
But then when you are up against the PR departments of a ruthless
*Nine Trillion* dollar industry that's always going to be the case if
you don't check the facts for yourself.

So more like 30% then, ok thanks. The reason I posted those TV advertisments
was to give an indication of just how much they don't want to be forced out
of business by the 'green crowd'. 'Burning coal, is being American' kind of
mindset.

cheers.....Jeff

[Fred J. McCall]

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton
According to this one coal accounts for 50% of America's electricity, I
recently read it was 20%, so I'm not sure which % is correct.
http://youtu.be/ZmVDu_gIpc4

You need to read more carefully (or your sources need to write more
carefully).

Coal is 22% of total energy usage, which includes transportation.
Transportation (pretty much all oil) is around 27.5% of total energy
consumption. This was presumably the figure you "recently read" and
attributed to electricity production (vice total energy usage).

Of the remaining energy consumption, a lot of the natural gas and
petroleum usage is for things like residential heating. If you JUST
look at electricity production, it's around 50% from coal, which is
presumably what your cited source here is referring to.

HTH.

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Post by Fred J. McCall

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton
According to this one coal accounts for 50% of America's
electricity, I recently read it was 20%, so I'm not sure which % is
correct.
http://youtu.be/ZmVDu_gIpc4

You need to read more carefully (or your sources need to write more
carefully).

I don't need to read anything you gormless git !

_You_ need to listen to what this particular 'television' advertisment said
and realise it's source you silly little bampot.

Hint: who do you think paid for the phucking thing ?

Post by Fred J. McCall
HTH.

Yes, I certainly am HTH.

cheers....Jeff

[Fred J. McCall]

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton

Post by Fred J. McCall

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton
According to this one coal accounts for 50% of America's
electricity, I recently read it was 20%, so I'm not sure which % is
correct.
http://youtu.be/ZmVDu_gIpc4

You need to read more carefully (or your sources need to write more
carefully).

I don't need to read anything you gormless git !

And so we once again see the intellectual level that Skippy aspires
to.

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton
_You_ need to listen to what this particular 'television' advertisment said
and realise it's source you silly little bampot.
Hint: who do you think paid for the phucking thing ?

Irrelevant, since coal DOES account for 50% of America's electricity.

But by all means, don't let the facts impinge on your ideas...

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

On Dec 24, 11:26 am, soupdragon <***@privacy.com> wrote:


By the way - if you don't like Bloombergs figures then perhaps you
might like The International Energy Agency. I doubt it though - they
say the same thing.


".....It [Their new book; Deploying Renewables -- Best and Future
Policy Practice] ,also repeats the IEA's increasingly vocal
predictions that several renewable energy technologies will become
cost competitive with fossil fuels over the next decade, allowing
renewables to emerge as the dominant energy technology.

"As the IEA's analysis has shown, without an urgent and radical change
of policy direction, the world will lock itself into an insecure,
inefficient and high-carbon energy system," said IEA executive
director Maria van der Hoeven in a statement. "Renewables already play
a central role in fostering sustainability and energy security, and
their significance will only grow in the coming decades."

Significantly, the report rejected many of the arguments put forward
by critics of renewable energy who claim technologies such as solar
and wind energy are too costly and unreliable to play a significant
role in the energy mix.

"A portfolio of renewable energy (RE) technologies is becoming cost-
competitive in an increasingly broad range of circumstances, in some
cases providing investment opportunities without the need for specific
economic support," the report stated, adding that established hydro
power, geothermal and bioenergy technologies are already cost-
competitive with conventional energy in a wide range of circumstances,
while the cost of solar and wind energy is falling fast...."

Oh dear.

Post by soupdragon
What? The same person who was rejoicing in increased output by hydro
which as it turned out, was a *result* of global warming? Riiiight..

Actualy I never said any such thing - I've no idea where you got that
from but it wasn't me.
I'm not a fan of hydro at all as it happens - and I also don't like
windmills on hilltops but that's got nothig to do with the facts -
which show that renewables (despite various local hiccups) is the
fastest growing sector in the world.
Nice to hear you now accept the science of global warming however.
It's hard to believe but a few wingnuts are *still* trying to push the
idea that it's a "communist hoax" and suchlike.
Which is obviously absurd for all sorts of reasons - not least that
the properties of CO2 as a greenhouse gas were discovered in 1824 -
long before communism was even invented.

[soupdragon]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
By the way -

Oh! Two bites at the same cherry? Monumental fail!!

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by soupdragon

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
By the way -

Oh! Two bites at the same cherry? Monumental fail!!

Translation: I can't refute either of them

So why is the world warming then Soupdragon.
I'm open to any plausible alternative theory - in fact I've been
looking for one for years to no avail.
Plus, of course, you will have to show your evidence that CO2 is NOT a
greenhouse gas.

Hint: Links to denier-porn blogs don't count as 'evidence'

[soupdragon]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by soupdragon

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
By the way -

Oh! Two bites at the same cherry? Monumental fail!!

Translation: I can't refute either of them

I know you can't - even after two goes at it. Nice of you to
concede that.

[killwhang]

Post by soupdragon

innews:d747aa4e-c1eb-40

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

innews:05540bb4-0e94-49

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from
renewable sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod
Scotland looks set for its highest ever renewables output, and
could produce almost a third of its electricity from renewable
sources by the end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of Energy
and Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first three
quarters of 2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last year's
totals and 83 per cent of the previous record year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over
the fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable
electricity in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy by
2020 is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient
capacity in Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent
of electricity demand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the year,
while Scotland continued to be a net exporter of electricity in
2010, exporting 21 per cent of electricity generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth of
renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another
£46bn worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in
Scotland," he said in a statement. "These figures show that it
is on course to be truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewab
le- el
ectricity-record-year?newsfeed=true
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

A quick read of the associated pdf reveals that almost half the
increase (43%) as from the hydro sector, caused primarily by
heavier rainfall - which, in turn, was attributed global warming
elsewhere! On shore wind output actually fell.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Renewable energy is the fastest growing industry on Earth bar none.

Of course it is. Scaremongering is always an excellent business
generator.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

 'scaremongerng' Oh dear.

Glad you recognise it as a common method of driving an industry.

You've been surfing those denier-porn blogs again havn't you.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Neither do you, by the look of
things. You must be one of those building a career on grants from the
scaremongering-driven gravy train, given the tone of your reaction.
Doubtless you spend much of your time hoping from expensive junket tp
expensive junket agreeing to nothing.

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfjxcbm7wq1qzhl7go1_500.png
".... Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF) found that clean energy
investment worldwide reached $243 billion in 2010, nearly double the
sector investment just four years earlier. And venture capital
investment for clean technology in the US rose 54% in the first
quarter of 2011 compared with the same period one year earlier, in a
trend led by solar energy companies, according to Ernst & Young...."

Ah, Bloomberg Energy. A business based on pursueding people to invest
in 'renewable' energy sources. Now why would they be talking up the
situation, I wonder? Could it be they have a vested interest?
Wind
The wind industry had a tough 2010 with annual installations shrinking
for the first time since 2004.
Oh really??
Marine
Electricity from wave is estimated to cost seven times as much as coal-
fired power, and electricity from tidal stream turbines five times as
much.
So still a way to go..
Hydro
Traditionally the lowest-profile of the world's clean energy sectors,
small hydro (projects under 50MW) saw a lull in investment activity after
the financial crisis.
Oh dear!
So where's all this investment coming from?

From your pocket! the ordinary person is paying and the old are
freezing to death! You don't think that it's cheaper - of course not.
Still, it has to be done at some point in time though technology is
quite primitive at present.


hardy

[Scotty]

On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:18:46 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by soupdragon

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

innews:05540bb4-0e94-49

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewable-
el
ectricity-record-year?newsfeed=true
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

A quick read of the associated pdf reveals that almost half the
increase (43%) as from the hydro sector, caused primarily by heavier
rainfall - which, in turn, was attributed global warming elsewhere!
On shore wind output actually fell.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Renewable energy is the fastest growing industry on Earth bar none.

Of course it is. Scaremongering is always an excellent business
generator.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

'scaremongerng' Oh dear.
You've been surfing those denier-porn blogs again havn't you.
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfjxcbm7wq1qzhl7go1_500.png
".... Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF) found that clean energy
investment worldwide reached $243 billion in 2010, nearly double the
sector investment just four years earlier. And venture capital
investment for clean technology in the US rose 54% in the first
quarter of 2011 compared with the same period one year earlier, in a
trend led by solar energy companies, according to Ernst & Young...."
Who could have predicted that? Oh wait - I did.

Oh, the wind is free - but as any yachtsman will tell you:
"The wind is free - but everything else costs money".

New NOAA supercomputer - Gaea - revealed
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/12/23/friday-funny-new-noaa-supercomputer-gaea-revealed/

Another peta-flop computer to give us the wrong answer quicker, like the
Met Office forecasting "balmy" winters the last three winters. They can't
predict the weather, what hope of them predicting climate? And what
happened to the prediction that kids today wouldn't know what snow was...?
Global warming don't you know?

email #4005
"we have applied a completely artificial adjustment to the data after 1960,
so they look closer to observed temperatures than the tree-ring data
actually were - don’t rely on the match after 1960 to tell you how skilfull
they really are!"

From the analysis code:
For example there is hovmueller_lon.pro from Feb 2007, with this header:
;
; Plots a HovMueller diagram (longitude-time) of meridionally averaged
; growing season reconstructions. Uses -corrected- MXD - but shouldn’t
usually
; plot past 1960 because these will be artificially adjusted to look closer
to
; the real temperatures.
;
For more:
http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/17772

There is a Grepper here:
http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?search=artificial
it will search the ClimateGate emails from 1996 - 2009 for the occurrence
of "artificial"

GIGO writ large...
Especially disturbing is the frequent mention of "the Team" and "the
Cause". Clearly agenda driven!

Scott

[killwhang]

Post by Scotty
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:18:46 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by soupdragon

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

innews:05540bb4-0e94-49

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewable-
el
ectricity-record-year?newsfeed=true
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

A quick read of the associated pdf reveals that almost half the
increase (43%) as from the hydro sector, caused primarily by heavier
rainfall - which, in turn, was attributed global warming elsewhere!
On shore wind output actually fell.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Renewable energy is the fastest growing industry on Earth bar none.

Of course it is. Scaremongering is always an excellent business
generator.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

'scaremongerng' Oh dear.
You've been surfing those denier-porn blogs again havn't you.
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfjxcbm7wq1qzhl7go1_500.png
".... Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF) found that clean energy
investment worldwide reached $243 billion in 2010, nearly double the
sector investment just four years earlier. And venture capital
investment for clean technology in the US rose 54% in the first
quarter of 2011 compared with the same period one year earlier, in a
trend led by solar energy companies, according to Ernst & Young...."
Who could have predicted that? Oh wait - I did.

"The wind is free - but everything else costs money".
New NOAA supercomputer - Gaea - revealedhttp://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/12/23/friday-funny-new-noaa-supercomp...
Another peta-flop computer to give us the wrong answer quicker, like the
Met Office forecasting "balmy" winters the last three winters.  They can't
predict the weather, what hope of them predicting climate? And what
happened to the prediction that kids today wouldn't know what snow was...?
Global warming don't you know?
email #4005
"we have applied a completely artificial adjustment to the data after 1960,
so they look closer to observed temperatures than the tree-ring data
actually were - don’t rely on the match after 1960 to tell you how skilfull
they really are!"
;
; Plots a HovMueller diagram (longitude-time) of meridionally averaged
; growing season reconstructions. Uses -corrected- MXD - but shouldn’t
usually
; plot past 1960 because these will be artificially adjusted to look closer
to
; the real temperatures.
;
For more:http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/17772
There is a Grepper here:http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?search=artificial
it will search the ClimateGate emails from 1996 - 2009 for the occurrence
of "artificial"
GIGO writ large...
Especially disturbing is the frequent mention of "the Team" and "the
Cause". Clearly agenda driven!
Scott
--
Trust is a commodity that you can only sell once.

Seriously though, I think there is a fatal flaw in the global warming
CO2 argument. More CO2 is good for growing trees and plants and hence
more oxygen for us and they feed on CO2- a good thing. There is a
feedback system here which ordinary scientists don't understand -
needs an engineer. I think the temp is self-regulatory, like a
thermostat.

Hardy

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Post by killwhang

Post by Scotty
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:18:46 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by soupdragon

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

innews:05540bb4-0e94-49

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewable-
el
ectricity-record-year?newsfeed=true
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

A quick read of the associated pdf reveals that almost half the
increase (43%) as from the hydro sector, caused primarily by
heavier rainfall - which, in turn, was attributed global warming
elsewhere! On shore wind output actually fell.- Hide quoted text
-
- Show quoted text -

Renewable energy is the fastest growing industry on Earth bar none.

Of course it is. Scaremongering is always an excellent business
generator.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

'scaremongerng' Oh dear.
You've been surfing those denier-porn blogs again havn't you.
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfjxcbm7wq1qzhl7go1_500.png
".... Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF) found that clean energy
investment worldwide reached $243 billion in 2010, nearly double the
sector investment just four years earlier. And venture capital
investment for clean technology in the US rose 54% in the first
quarter of 2011 compared with the same period one year earlier, in a
trend led by solar energy companies, according to Ernst & Young...."
Who could have predicted that? Oh wait - I did.

"The wind is free - but everything else costs money".
New NOAA supercomputer - Gaea -
revealedhttp://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/12/23/friday-funny-new-noaa-supercomp...
Another peta-flop computer to give us the wrong answer quicker, like the
Met Office forecasting "balmy" winters the last three winters. They
can't
predict the weather, what hope of them predicting climate? And what
happened to the prediction that kids today wouldn't know what snow was...?
Global warming don't you know?
email #4005
"we have applied a completely artificial adjustment to the data after 1960,
so they look closer to observed temperatures than the tree-ring data
actually were - don’t rely on the match after 1960 to tell you how skilfull
they really are!"
For example there is hovmueller_lon.pro from Feb 2007, with this
header: ;
; Plots a HovMueller diagram (longitude-time) of meridionally
averaged ; growing season reconstructions. Uses -corrected- MXD -
but shouldn’t
usually
; plot past 1960 because these will be artificially adjusted to look closer
to
; the real temperatures.
;
For more:http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/17772
There is a Grepper
here:http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?search=artificial
it will search the ClimateGate emails from 1996 - 2009 for the occurrence
of "artificial"
GIGO writ large...
Especially disturbing is the frequent mention of "the Team" and "the
Cause". Clearly agenda driven!
Scott
--
Trust is a commodity that you can only sell once.

Seriously though, I think there is a fatal flaw in the global warming
CO2 argument. More CO2 is good for growing trees and plants and hence
more oxygen for us and they feed on CO2- a good thing. There is a
feedback system here which ordinary scientists don't understand -
needs an engineer. I think the temp is self-regulatory, like a
thermostat.
Hardy

Well Hardy and I do agree with you, there is absolutely no doubt that trees
are the _lungs_ of the planet, but here in Canada and in the US, we've
allowed almost unsusutainable clear cutting of our forests and with only a
mere modicum of re-planting expected, but seldom policed, in return. In
South America, Brazil for example, the amount of forest lost each and every
day, is mind boggling and how do we replace that, I ask you ? That answer is
we don't, isn't it, Hardy?

cheers....Jeff

[killwhang]

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Post by killwhang

Post by Scotty
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Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

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Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewable-
el
ectricity-record-year?newsfeed=true
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

A quick read of the associated pdf reveals that almost half the
increase (43%) as from the hydro sector, caused primarily by
heavier rainfall - which, in turn, was attributed global warming
elsewhere! On shore wind output actually fell.- Hide quoted text
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Renewable energy is the fastest growing industry on Earth bar none.

Of course it is. Scaremongering is always an excellent business
generator.- Hide quoted text -
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'scaremongerng' Oh dear.
You've been surfing those denier-porn blogs again havn't you.
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfjxcbm7wq1qzhl7go1_500.png
".... Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF) found that clean energy
investment worldwide reached $243 billion in 2010, nearly double the
sector investment just four years earlier. And venture capital
investment for clean technology in the US rose 54% in the first
quarter of 2011 compared with the same period one year earlier, in a
trend led by solar energy companies, according to Ernst & Young...."
Who could have predicted that? Oh wait - I did.

"The wind is free - but everything else costs money".
New NOAA supercomputer - Gaea -
revealedhttp://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/12/23/friday-funny-new-noaa-supercomp...
Another peta-flop computer to give us the wrong answer quicker, like the
Met Office forecasting "balmy" winters the last three winters. They
can't
predict the weather, what hope of them predicting climate? And what
happened to the prediction that kids today wouldn't know what snow was...?
Global warming don't you know?
email #4005
"we have applied a completely artificial adjustment to the data after 1960,
so they look closer to observed temperatures than the tree-ring data
actually were - don’t rely on the match after 1960 to tell you how skilfull
they really are!"
For example there is hovmueller_lon.pro from Feb 2007, with this
header: ;
; Plots a HovMueller diagram (longitude-time) of meridionally
averaged ; growing season reconstructions. Uses -corrected- MXD -
but shouldn’t
usually
; plot past 1960 because these will be artificially adjusted to look closer
to
; the real temperatures.
;
For more:http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/17772
There is a Grepper
here:http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?search=artificial
it will search the ClimateGate emails from 1996 - 2009 for the occurrence
of "artificial"
GIGO writ large...
Especially disturbing is the frequent mention of "the Team" and "the
Cause". Clearly agenda driven!
Scott
--
Trust is a commodity that you can only sell once.

Seriously though, I think there is a fatal flaw in the global warming
CO2 argument. More CO2 is good for growing trees and plants and hence
more oxygen for us and they feed on CO2- a good thing. There is a
feedback system here which ordinary scientists don't understand -
needs an engineer. I think the temp is self-regulatory, like a
thermostat.
Hardy

Well Hardy and I do agree with you, there is absolutely no doubt that trees
are the _lungs_ of the planet, but here in Canada and in the US, we've
allowed almost unsusutainable clear cutting of our forests and with only a
mere modicum of re-planting expected, but seldom policed, in return. In
South America, Brazil for example, the amount of forest lost each and every
day, is mind boggling and how do we replace that, I ask you ? That answer is
we don't, isn't it, Hardy?
   cheers....Jeff

Well you do need sustainable forestry and agriculture, that's a no
brainer.


Hardy

[Fred J. McCall]

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton
Well Hardy and I do agree with you, there is absolutely no doubt that trees
are the _lungs_ of the planet, but here in Canada and in the US, we've
allowed almost unsusutainable clear cutting of our forests and with only a
mere modicum of re-planting expected, but seldom policed, in return.

That may be true in Canada, but there are at least as many trees in
the US now as there were when white men first arrived on the
continent.

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Post by Fred J. McCall

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton
Well Hardy and I do agree with you, there is absolutely no doubt
that trees are the _lungs_ of the planet, but here in Canada and in
the US, we've allowed almost unsusutainable clear cutting of our
forests and with only a mere modicum of re-planting expected, but
seldom policed, in return.

That may be true in Canada, but there are at least as many trees in
the US now as there were when white men first arrived on the
continent.

Really ?
By all means supply a cite for that one.

cheers....Jeff

[killwhang]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Renewable energy is the fastest growing industry on Earth bar none.

Of course it is, lots of pots of gold subsidies!!

[soupdragon]

Post by killwhang

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Renewable energy is the fastest growing industry on Earth bar none.

Of course it is, lots of pots of gold subsidies!!

..and juicy research grants, as well as lots of lovely
conferencies in exotic locations with fancy food and
hotels to attend at tax payers expense, all to
come to.. well, nothing really - other than a good time for
attendees. What a gravy train!

[Scotty]

Post by soupdragon

Post by killwhang

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Renewable energy is the fastest growing industry on Earth bar none.

Of course it is, lots of pots of gold subsidies!!

..and juicy research grants, as well as lots of lovely
conferencies in exotic locations with fancy food and
hotels to attend at tax payers expense, all to
come to.. well, nothing really - other than a good time for
attendees. What a gravy train!

I hope I don't get a call from congress !
I'm hoping that no-one there realizes
I have a US DoE grant and have had this
(with Tom W.) for the last 25 years.
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=545&filename=.txt

I hope you're not right about the lack of
warming lasting till about 2020.
I know the warming is on the decadal
scale, but it would be nice to wear their
smug grins away.
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=948&filename=1231190304.txt

I think those links are dead, I'll have to grep them again.

Scott

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

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Post by killwhang

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Renewable energy is the fastest growing industry on Earth bar none.

Of course it is, lots of pots of gold subsidies!!

..and juicy research grants, as well as lots of lovely
conferencies in exotic locations with fancy food and
hotels to attend at tax payers expense, all to
come to.. well, nothing really - other than a good time for
attendees. What a gravy train!

I hope I don't get a call from congress !
I'm hoping that no-one there realizes
I have a US DoE grant and have had this
(with Tom W.) for the last 25 years.
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=545&filename=.txt
I hope you're not right about the lack of
warming lasting till about 2020.
I know the warming is on the decadal
scale, but it would be nice to wear their
smug grins away.
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=948&filename=1231190304.txt
I think those links are dead, I'll have to grep them again.

This website is temporarily unavailable. Please check back later.
Unfortunately there were no suitable nodes available to serve this request.

Times two, do try again though Scotty.

cheers.....Jeff

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Scott

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

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Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Renewable energy is the fastest growing industry on Earth bar none.

Of course it is, lots of pots of gold subsidies!!

..and juicy research grants, as well as lots of lovely
conferencies in exotic locations with fancy food and
hotels to attend at tax payers expense, all to
come to.. well, nothing really - other than a good time for
attendees. What a gravy train!

and of course none of that happens when were dealing with oil or coal, right
?.........just asking, that's all

cheers.....Jeff

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton

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Post by killwhang

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Renewable energy is the fastest growing industry on Earth bar none.

Of course it is, lots of pots of gold subsidies!!

..and juicy research grants, as well as lots of lovely
conferencies in exotic locations with fancy food and
hotels to attend at tax payers expense, all to
come to.. well, nothing really - other than a good time for
attendees. What a gravy train!

and of course none of that happens when were dealing with oil or coal, right
?.........just asking, that's all
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Ah - but when it's climate scientists it means that the Arctic isn't
really melting,
In fact it means we are heading for A New Ice Age(TM) as this latest
graph from the denier-porn blog curcuit proves conclusively

http://denialdepot.blogspot.com/2009/09/arctic-sea-ice-staggering-growth.html

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

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Post by killwhang

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Renewable energy is the fastest growing industry on Earth bar none.

Of course it is, lots of pots of gold subsidies!!

..and juicy research grants, as well as lots of lovely
conferencies in exotic locations with fancy food and
hotels to attend at tax payers expense, all to
come to.. well, nothing really - other than a good time for
attendees. What a gravy train!

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by soupdragon

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from renewable
sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod
Scotland looks set for its highest ever renewables output, and could
produce almost a third of its electricity from renewable sources by
the end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of Energy and
Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first three quarters of
2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last year's totals and 83 per
cent of the previous record year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over the
fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable electricity
in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy by 2020
is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient capacity in
Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent of electricity
demand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the year, while
Scotland continued to be a net exporter of electricity in 2010,
exporting 21 per cent of electricity generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth of
renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another £46bn
worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in Scotland,"
he said in a statement. "These figures show that it is on course to be
truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewable-el
ectricity-record-year?newsfeed=true
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

A quick read of the associated pdf reveals that almost half the
increase (43%) as from the hydro sector, caused primarily by heavier
rainfall - which, in turn, was attributed global warming elsewhere! On
shore wind output actually fell.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

It fell 2.4% due to *a drop in the wind* this year.
Duh.

I look forward to your highlighting the statistics when we get a year
with *higher* than average wind leading to an anomolous *increase* in
generation.
After all - you wouldn't want people to think you are a "no global
warming since [insert favourite year here]" sort of cherry-picker
would you?

[Cory Bhreckan]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by soupdragon

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from renewable
sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod
Scotland looks set for its highest ever renewables output, and could
produce almost a third of its electricity from renewable sources by
the end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of Energy and
Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first three quarters of
2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last year's totals and 83 per
cent of the previous record year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over the
fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable electricity
in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy by 2020
is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient capacity in
Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent of electricity
demand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the year, while
Scotland continued to be a net exporter of electricity in 2010,
exporting 21 per cent of electricity generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth of
renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another £46bn
worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in Scotland,"
he said in a statement. "These figures show that it is on course to be
truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewable-el
ectricity-record-year?newsfeed=true
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

A quick read of the associated pdf reveals that almost half the
increase (43%) as from the hydro sector, caused primarily by heavier
rainfall - which, in turn, was attributed global warming elsewhere! On
shore wind output actually fell.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

It fell 2.4% due to *a drop in the wind* this year.
Duh.
I look forward to your highlighting the statistics when we get a year
with *higher* than average wind leading to an anomolous *increase* in
generation.
After all - you wouldn't want people to think you are a "no global
warming since [insert favourite year here]

Ooh ooh, I know that one! 1999! What do I win?

" sort of cherry-picker

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
would you?

[soupdragon]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

innews:05540bb4-0e94-49

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from
renewable sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod
Scotland looks set for its highest ever renewables output, and
could produce almost a third of its electricity from renewable
sources by the end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of Energy
and Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first three quarters
of 2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last year's totals and
83 per cent of the previous record year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over the
fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable
electricity in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy by
2020 is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient capacity
in Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent of
electricity demand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the year,
while Scotland continued to be a net exporter of electricity in
2010, exporting 21 per cent of electricity generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth of
renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another £46bn
worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in
Scotland," he said in a statement. "These figures show that it is
on course to be truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewable-
el
ectricity-record-year?newsfeed=true
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

A quick read of the associated pdf reveals that almost half the
increase (43%) as from the hydro sector, caused primarily by heavier
rainfall - which, in turn, was attributed global warming elsewhere!
On shore wind output actually fell.

It fell 2.4% due to *a drop in the wind* this year.

..and that's all you need to know about the unreliability of wind as
a source. I note your failure to comment on the reasons for increased
hydro output being the result of inclemant weather blamed on global
warming by the scaremongerers. Oh, and one further point regarding wind.
Capacity is not the same as output. Given that output in wind power
rarely exceeds single figure as percentage of capacity, a 2.4 percent
fall is a considerable amount.

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Duh.

Have you bumped your head?

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
I look forward to your highlighting the statistics when we get a year
with *higher* than average wind leading to an anomolous *increase* in
generation.

Or how about a month where we got zero output, like Dec 2010? What would
all these poor pensioners have done in one of the coldest Decembers in
recent years hadn't nuclear kicked in and picked up the slack?

[killwhang]

Post by soupdragon

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

innews:05540bb4-0e94-49

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from
renewable sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod
Scotland looks set for its highest ever renewables output, and
could produce almost a third of its electricity from renewable
sources by the end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of Energy
and Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first three quarters
of 2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last year's totals and
83 per cent of the previous record year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over the
fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable
electricity in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy by
2020 is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient capacity
in Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent of
electricity demand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the year,
while Scotland continued to be a net exporter of electricity in
2010, exporting 21 per cent of electricity generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth of
renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another £46bn
worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in
Scotland," he said in a statement. "These figures show that it is
on course to be truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewable-
el
ectricity-record-year?newsfeed=true
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

A quick read of the associated pdf reveals that almost half the
increase (43%) as from the hydro sector, caused primarily by heavier
rainfall - which, in turn, was attributed global warming elsewhere!
On shore wind output actually fell.

It fell 2.4% due to *a drop in the wind* this year.

..and that's all you need to know about the unreliability of wind as
a source. I note your failure to comment on the reasons for increased
hydro output being the result of inclemant weather blamed on global
warming by the scaremongerers. Oh, and one further point regarding wind.
Capacity is not the same as output. Given that output in wind power
rarely exceeds single figure as percentage of capacity, a 2.4 percent
fall is a considerable amount.

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Duh.

Have you bumped your head?

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
I look forward to your highlighting the statistics when we get a year
with *higher* than average wind leading to an anomolous *increase* in
generation.

Or how about a month where we got zero output, like Dec 2010? What would
all these poor pensioners have done in one of the coldest Decembers in
recent years hadn't nuclear kicked in and picked up the slack?

Wind power can only be a success when you have plenty Hydro at the
same time. You store energy by pumping water uphill.
There is not enough Hydro in the UK (or Scotland) to store the energy.
Here in NZ there is and wind is going to make a good go of it. any
aexcess and we store it unlike the UK where they have to be switched
off and large sums of money paid to the companies.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/greenpolitics/8978458/10m-cost-of-turning-off-wind-farms.html

Hardy

[Peter Jason]

On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:29:35 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from renewable
sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod
Scotland looks set for its highest ever renewables output, and could
produce almost a third of its electricity from renewable sources by
the end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of Energy and
Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first three quarters of
2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last year's totals and 83 per
cent of the previous record year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over the
fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable electricity
in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy by 2020
is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient capacity in
Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent of electricity
demand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the year, while
Scotland continued to be a net exporter of electricity in 2010,
exporting 21 per cent of electricity generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth of
renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another £46bn
worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in Scotland,"
he said in a statement. "These figures show that it is on course to be
truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewable-electricity-record-year?newsfeed=true
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

Clear thinking people are not Luddites; nor rednecks for that matter.

The whole of Scotland could be powered by hamsters running in their
wheels and the above article would be true. So environmentally
friendly.

The cost is the primary factor, and if the Scots want to pay, then all
is possible.

Why don't they hitch up the Hippies to the ploughs? No more wicked
farmland CO2!

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by Peter Jason
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:29:35 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from renewable
sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod
Scotland looks set for its highest ever renewables output, and could
produce almost a third of its electricity from renewable sources by
the end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of Energy and
Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first three quarters of
2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last year's totals and 83 per
cent of the previous record year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over the
fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable electricity
in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy by 2020
is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient capacity in
Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent of electricity
demand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the year, while
Scotland continued to be a net exporter of electricity in 2010,
exporting 21 per cent of electricity generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth of
renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another £46bn
worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in Scotland,"
he said in a statement. "These figures show that it is on course to be
truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewable-...
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

Clear thinking people are not Luddites; nor rednecks for that matter.
The whole of Scotland could be powered by hamsters running in their
wheels and the above article would be true.  So environmentally
friendly.
The cost is the primary factor, and if the Scots want to pay, then all
is possible.
Why don't they hitch up the Hippies to the ploughs?  No more wicked
farmland CO2!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Carbon fuel is costing us the Earth.
Ain't facts a bitch loser?
See you in 2020 too.

[conway caine]

"Adam Whyte-Settlar" wrote in message news:ebfb1aa3-dadf-4b6c-a760-***@e8g2000prb.googlegroups.com...

See you in 2020 too.

**Assuming we make it past 2012..........

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
See you in 2020 too.
**Assuming we make it past 2012..........

That's just more 'scaremongering'.

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[conway caine]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
See you in 2020 too.
**Assuming we make it past 2012..........

That's just more 'scaremongering'.

****The subject is going great guns on our documentary channels.
No logic
No science.
Just foolish statements poised as questions.
And the Great Unwashed are lapping it up.................

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
See you in 2020 too.
**Assuming we make it past 2012..........

That's just more 'scaremongering'.
****The subject is going great guns on our documentary channels.
No logic
No science.
Just foolish statements poised as questions.
And the Great Unwashed are lapping it up.................

Idiots.

People love a good 'end of the world' story.
They invent one every couple of years or so.
That's why intellectual pygmies are attracted to the "Climate Change
is just another end of the world story" version of the 'Great Global
Communist Hoax to Destroy America'
I wish.

I think the calander stopped at 2012 because they just ran out of
glossy paper.

[conway caine]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by conway caine
**Assuming we make it past 2012..........

That's just more 'scaremongering'.
****The subject is going great guns on our documentary channels.
No logic
No science.
Just foolish statements poised as questions.
And the Great Unwashed are lapping it up.................

Idiots.

People love a good 'end of the world' story.
They invent one every couple of years or so.
That's why intellectual pygmies are attracted to the "Climate Change
is just another end of the world story" version of the 'Great Global
Communist Hoax to Destroy America'
I wish.

I think the calander stopped at 2012 because they just ran out of
glossy paper.

**Several Journalists visited knowledgeable Mayan people and asked what they
thought about the Mayan doomsday prophesies.
They thought, to the man, that it was more evidence that all Anglos are
crazy.

[killwhang]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by conway caine
**Assuming we make it past 2012..........

That's just more 'scaremongering'.
****The subject is going great guns on our documentary channels.
No logic
No science.
Just foolish statements poised as questions.
And the Great Unwashed are lapping it up.................

Idiots.
People love a good 'end of the world' story.
They invent one every couple of years or so.
That's why intellectual pygmies are attracted to the "Climate Change
is just another end of the world story" version of the 'Great Global
Communist Hoax to Destroy America'
I wish.
I think the calander stopped at 2012 because they just ran out of
glossy paper.
**Several Journalists visited knowledgeable Mayan people and asked what they
thought about the Mayan doomsday prophesies.
They thought, to the man, that it was more evidence that all Anglos are
crazy.

You've done it all yourself. You owe China so much money you're
bankrupt!


Hardy

[Ian Smith]

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 11:59:25 -0800, killwhang couldnae haud thur wheesht

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Post by conway caine
**Assuming we make it past 2012..........

That's just more 'scaremongering'.
****The subject is going great guns on our documentary channels. No
logic
No science.
Just foolish statements poised as questions. And the Great Unwashed
are lapping it up.................

Idiots.
People love a good 'end of the world' story. They invent one every
couple of years or so. That's why intellectual pygmies are attracted to
the "Climate Change is just another end of the world story" version of
the 'Great Global Communist Hoax to Destroy America'
I wish.
I think the calander stopped at 2012 because they just ran out of
glossy paper.
**Several Journalists visited knowledgeable Mayan people and asked what
they thought about the Mayan doomsday prophesies. They thought, to the
man, that it was more evidence that all Anglos are crazy.

You've done it all yourself. You owe China so much money you're
bankrupt!
Hardy

Screw China. All we need to do is require that their goods be subject to
the same environmental and labour-law considerations as ours have to be.
A level playing field. We should stop outsourcing our pollution and
labour deaths. Screw them.

[killwhang]

Post by Ian Smith
On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 11:59:25 -0800, killwhang couldnae haud thur wheesht

Post by killwhang

"Adam Whyte-Settlar"  wrote in message
news:a43017ee-cc76-43c7-bbae-

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by conway caine
**Assuming we make it past 2012..........

That's just more 'scaremongering'.
****The subject is going great guns on our documentary channels. No
logic
No science.
Just foolish statements poised as questions. And the Great Unwashed
are lapping it up.................

Idiots.
People love a good 'end of the world' story. They invent one every
couple of years or so. That's why intellectual pygmies are attracted to
the "Climate Change is just another end of the world story" version of
the 'Great Global Communist Hoax to Destroy America'
I wish.
I think the calander stopped at 2012 because they just ran out of
glossy paper.
**Several Journalists visited knowledgeable Mayan people and asked what
they thought about the Mayan doomsday prophesies. They thought, to the
man, that it was more evidence that all Anglos are crazy.

You've done it all yourself. You owe China so much money you're
bankrupt!
Hardy

Screw China. All we need to do is require that their goods be subject to
the same environmental and labour-law considerations as ours have to be.
A level playing field. We should stop outsourcing our pollution and
labour deaths. Screw them.
--

Welcome to the real world. This has always been the case one way or
another. There is never a level playing field.
It ain't gonna happen and never will. some poorer country will always
manufacture good cheaper for a period of time until they get richer!

[conway caine]

Post by conway caine
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" wrote in message

You've done it all yourself. You owe China so much money you're
bankrupt!


****When might we expect the fleet of Junks to arrive off the coast of
California????

[killwhang]

Post by killwhang

"Adam Whyte-Settlar"  wrote in message

You've done it all yourself. You owe China so much money you're
bankrupt!
****When might we expect the fleet of Junks to arrive off the coast of
California????

In case yoiu haven't noticed up in them thar hills, they have moved on
a bit since then and own your asses! They are giving you money so that
you can buy their goods! Still the US isn't as bad off as the UK, it's
fucked.


Hardy

[conway caine]

Post by killwhang
You've done it all yourself. You owe China so much money you're
bankrupt!
****When might we expect the fleet of Junks to arrive off the coast of
California????

In case yoiu haven't noticed up in them thar hills, they have moved on
a bit since then and own your asses! They are giving you money so that
you can buy their goods! Still the US isn't as bad off as the UK, it's
fucked.

****Well,yes we do owe them a lot of money.
But, assuming worse comes to worse, how would they ever collect????

[killwhang]

Post by killwhang

Post by killwhang
You've done it all yourself. You owe China so much money you're
bankrupt!
****When might we expect the fleet of Junks to arrive off the coast of
California????

In case yoiu haven't noticed up in them thar hills, they have moved on
a bit since then and own your asses! They are giving you money so that
you can buy their goods! Still the US isn't as bad off as the UK, it's
fucked.
****Well,yes we do owe them a lot of money.
But, assuming worse comes to worse, how would they ever collect????

You mean the US would default on payments?? That would bring the whole
world to a standstill. We couldn't trust anybody any more.
(hey hey)

Hardy

[conway caine]

Post by conway caine
****Well,yes we do owe them a lot of money.
But, assuming worse comes to worse, how would they ever collect????

You mean the US would default on payments?? That would bring the whole
world to a standstill. We couldn't trust anybody any more.
(hey hey)

****As you crank out the self fulfilling prophecies................

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Post by killwhang

Post by conway caine
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" wrote in message

You've done it all yourself. You owe China so much money you're
bankrupt!
****When might we expect the fleet of Junks to arrive off the coast of
California????

I believe the _Junk_ might be in the Walmart Stores, conway. :-)

cheers.....Jeff

[conway caine]

Post by killwhang

Post by conway caine
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" wrote in message

You've done it all yourself. You owe China so much money you're
bankrupt!
****When might we expect the fleet of Junks to arrive off the coast of
California????

I believe the _Junk_ might be in the Walmart Stores, conway. :-)

****And is.
Amazon.com for me..............

[killwhang]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
See you in 2020 too.
**Assuming we make it past 2012..........

That's just more 'scaremongering'.
http://www.marcrobertscartoons.com/cartoons/cartoon2083.jpg

I wonder if the planes that Shyte settler has been jetting about comes
from solar power too??

Hardy

[Peter Jason]

On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 03:42:44 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Peter Jason
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:29:35 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from renewable
sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod
Scotland looks set for its highest ever renewables output, and could
produce almost a third of its electricity from renewable sources by
the end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of Energy and
Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first three quarters of
2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last year's totals and 83 per
cent of the previous record year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over the
fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable electricity
in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy by 2020
is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient capacity in
Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent of electricity
demand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the year, while
Scotland continued to be a net exporter of electricity in 2010,
exporting 21 per cent of electricity generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth of
renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another £46bn
worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in Scotland,"
he said in a statement. "These figures show that it is on course to be
truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewable-...
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

Clear thinking people are not Luddites; nor rednecks for that matter.
The whole of Scotland could be powered by hamsters running in their
wheels and the above article would be true.  So environmentally
friendly.
The cost is the primary factor, and if the Scots want to pay, then all
is possible.
Why don't they hitch up the Hippies to the ploughs?  No more wicked
farmland CO2!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Carbon fuel is costing us the Earth.
Ain't facts a bitch loser?
See you in 2020 too.

No matter what you do in the energy stakes, population will rise to
counteract it. Given the pressure on resources - especially water -
the long-term final solution will be to throttle back the rise in
world population. This is the Great Elephant in the Room!

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by Peter Jason
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 03:42:44 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Peter Jason
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:29:35 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from renewable
sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod
Scotland looks set for its highest ever renewables output, and could
produce almost a third of its electricity from renewable sources by
the end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of Energy and
Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first three quarters of
2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last year's totals and 83 per
cent of the previous record year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over the
fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable electricity
in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy by 2020
is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient capacity in
Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent of electricity
demand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the year, while
Scotland continued to be a net exporter of electricity in 2010,
exporting 21 per cent of electricity generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth of
renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another £46bn
worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in Scotland,"
he said in a statement. "These figures show that it is on course to be
truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewable-...
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

Clear thinking people are not Luddites; nor rednecks for that matter.
The whole of Scotland could be powered by hamsters running in their
wheels and the above article would be true.  So environmentally
friendly.
The cost is the primary factor, and if the Scots want to pay, then all
is possible.
Why don't they hitch up the Hippies to the ploughs?  No more wicked
farmland CO2!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Carbon fuel is costing us the Earth.
Ain't facts a bitch loser?
See you in 2020 too.

No matter what you do in the energy stakes, population will rise to
counteract it.   Given the pressure on resources - especially water -
the long-term final solution will be to throttle back the rise in
world population.   This is the Great Elephant in the Room!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Population always takes care of itself eventualy.
In any case, you would have to cull the heaviest resource users to
make any real difference in the time available. Good luck selling
that idea in the US and Europe. It isn't going to happen.
They use 50 times the resources of a country like Ethiopia (for
example) but I can't see them agreeing to halve their populations.
Halving the population of Ethiopia wouldn't make even the slightest
dent in emissions.

[killwhang]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Peter Jason
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 03:42:44 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Peter Jason
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:29:35 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from renewable
sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod
Scotland looks set for its highest ever renewables output, and could
produce almost a third of its electricity from renewable sources by
the end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of Energy and
Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first three quarters of
2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last year's totals and 83 per
cent of the previous record year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over the
fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable electricity
in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy by 2020
is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient capacity in
Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent of electricity
demand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the year, while
Scotland continued to be a net exporter of electricity in 2010,
exporting 21 per cent of electricity generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth of
renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another £46bn
worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in Scotland,"
he said in a statement. "These figures show that it is on course to be
truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewable-...
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

Clear thinking people are not Luddites; nor rednecks for that matter.
The whole of Scotland could be powered by hamsters running in their
wheels and the above article would be true.  So environmentally
friendly.
The cost is the primary factor, and if the Scots want to pay, then all
is possible.
Why don't they hitch up the Hippies to the ploughs?  No more wicked
farmland CO2!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Carbon fuel is costing us the Earth.
Ain't facts a bitch loser?
See you in 2020 too.

No matter what you do in the energy stakes, population will rise to
counteract it.   Given the pressure on resources - especially water -
the long-term final solution will be to throttle back the rise in
world population.   This is the Great Elephant in the Room!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Population always takes care of itself eventualy.
In any case, you would have to cull the heaviest resource users to
make any real difference in the time available. Good luck selling
that  idea in the US and Europe. It isn't going to happen.
They use 50 times the resources of a country like Ethiopia

err yes, but no doubt produce 50 times as much in produce as Ethiopia!
USA is the breadbasket of the world (and Canada) What a Twat!!

Hardy

[killwhang]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Peter Jason
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 03:42:44 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Peter Jason
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:29:35 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from renewable
sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod
Scotland looks set for its highest ever renewables output, and could
produce almost a third of its electricity from renewable sources by
the end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of Energy and
Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first three quarters of
2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last year's totals and 83 per
cent of the previous record year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over the
fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable electricity
in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy by 2020
is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient capacity in
Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent of electricity
demand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the year, while
Scotland continued to be a net exporter of electricity in 2010,
exporting 21 per cent of electricity generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth of
renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another £46bn
worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in Scotland,"
he said in a statement. "These figures show that it is on course to be
truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewable-...
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

Clear thinking people are not Luddites; nor rednecks for that matter.
The whole of Scotland could be powered by hamsters running in their
wheels and the above article would be true.  So environmentally
friendly.
The cost is the primary factor, and if the Scots want to pay, then all
is possible.
Why don't they hitch up the Hippies to the ploughs?  No more wicked
farmland CO2!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Carbon fuel is costing us the Earth.
Ain't facts a bitch loser?
See you in 2020 too.

No matter what you do in the energy stakes, population will rise to
counteract it.   Given the pressure on resources - especially water -
the long-term final solution will be to throttle back the rise in
world population.   This is the Great Elephant in the Room!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Population always takes care of itself eventualy.
In any case, you would have to cull the heaviest resource users to
make any real difference in the time available. Good luck selling
that  idea in the US and Europe. It isn't going to happen.
They use 50 times the resources of a country like Ethiopia (for
example) but I can't see them agreeing to halve their populations.
Halving the population of Ethiopia wouldn't make even the slightest
dent in emissions.

I didn't want to debunk a fool, it's like a a turkey shoot, but I feel
I must do my duty

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=ej63c6&s=5


Here you'll see no change in temp over the past decade (from BEST's
own data!). Wait I hear them squeel, it's not a long enough time
period!!


Hardy

[Scotty]

Post by killwhang

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Peter Jason
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 03:42:44 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Peter Jason
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:29:35 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from renewable
sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod
Scotland looks set for its highest ever renewables output, and could
produce almost a third of its electricity from renewable sources by
the end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of Energy and
Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first three quarters of
2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last year's totals and 83 per
cent of the previous record year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over the
fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable electricity
in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy by 2020
is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient capacity in
Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent of electricity
demand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the year, while
Scotland continued to be a net exporter of electricity in 2010,
exporting 21 per cent of electricity generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth of
renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another £46bn
worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in Scotland,"
he said in a statement. "These figures show that it is on course to be
truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewable-...
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

Clear thinking people are not Luddites; nor rednecks for that matter.
The whole of Scotland could be powered by hamsters running in their
wheels and the above article would be true.  So environmentally
friendly.
The cost is the primary factor, and if the Scots want to pay, then all
is possible.
Why don't they hitch up the Hippies to the ploughs?  No more wicked
farmland CO2!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Carbon fuel is costing us the Earth.
Ain't facts a bitch loser?
See you in 2020 too.

No matter what you do in the energy stakes, population will rise to
counteract it.   Given the pressure on resources - especially water -
the long-term final solution will be to throttle back the rise in
world population.   This is the Great Elephant in the Room!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Population always takes care of itself eventualy.
In any case, you would have to cull the heaviest resource users to
make any real difference in the time available. Good luck selling
that  idea in the US and Europe. It isn't going to happen.
They use 50 times the resources of a country like Ethiopia (for
example) but I can't see them agreeing to halve their populations.
Halving the population of Ethiopia wouldn't make even the slightest
dent in emissions.

I didn't want to debunk a fool, it's like a a turkey shoot, but I feel
I must do my duty
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=ej63c6&s=5
Here you'll see no change in temp over the past decade (from BEST's
own data!). Wait I hear them squeel, it's not a long enough time
period!!
Hardy

Impossible! How can it be? In 2010 we injected a record amount of CO2 into
the atmosphere and the previous record was 2008. How can the temperature
possibly be unchanged? You spreading confusion and lies among the people
and you're obviously in the pocket of big oil, big coal or the Koch Bros.

Pacific Islands are going to be swamped and millions of boat people will
clamoring at your shores. Jeez, you're obviously not one of "the team" and
you're doing the "cause" no good with your lies.

http://www.grist.org/climate-skeptics/2011-12-16-new-approach-to-climate-deniers-launch-them-into-space
"Our biggest problem is to deal with the skepticism and denial of the
cult-like lemmings who would take us over the cliff," said Brown, a
Democrat, eliciting cheers and laughter from an audience of roughly 200
policymakers, businessleaders, and activists. "The skeptics and deniers
have billions of dollars at their disposal ... But I can tell you we're
going to fight them every step of the way until we get this state on a
sustainable path forward."
Pachauri said, "Those who are becoming obstacles in implementing what is
rational should be made the responsibility of Sir Richard [Branson] to give
this one-way ticket to outer space. Of course space would be unfortunate
to get some of these guys."

Being launched into space is too good for you,
Scott

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

On Sat, 24 Dec 2011 12:44:27 -0800 (PST), killwhang

Post by killwhang

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Peter Jason
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 03:42:44 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Peter Jason
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:29:35 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from
renewable sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod
Scotland looks set for its highest ever renewables output, and
could produce almost a third of its electricity from renewable
sources by the end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of
Energy and Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first
three quarters of 2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last
year's totals and 83 per cent of the previous record year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over
the fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable
electricity in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy
by 2020 is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient
capacity in Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent
of electricity demand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the
year, while Scotland continued to be a net exporter of
electricity in 2010, exporting 21 per cent of electricity
generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth of
renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another
£46bn worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in
Scotland," he said in a statement. "These figures show that it
is on course to be truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewable-...
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

Clear thinking people are not Luddites; nor rednecks for that matter.
The whole of Scotland could be powered by hamsters running in
their wheels and the above article would be true. So
environmentally friendly.
The cost is the primary factor, and if the Scots want to pay,
then all is possible.
Why don't they hitch up the Hippies to the ploughs? No more
wicked farmland CO2!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Carbon fuel is costing us the Earth.
Ain't facts a bitch loser?
See you in 2020 too.

No matter what you do in the energy stakes, population will rise to
counteract it. Given the pressure on resources - especially water -
the long-term final solution will be to throttle back the rise in
world population. This is the Great Elephant in the Room!- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Population always takes care of itself eventualy.
In any case, you would have to cull the heaviest resource users to
make any real difference in the time available. Good luck selling
that idea in the US and Europe. It isn't going to happen.
They use 50 times the resources of a country like Ethiopia (for
example) but I can't see them agreeing to halve their populations.
Halving the population of Ethiopia wouldn't make even the slightest
dent in emissions.

I didn't want to debunk a fool, it's like a a turkey shoot, but I
feel I must do my duty
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=ej63c6&s=5
Here you'll see no change in temp over the past decade (from BEST's
own data!). Wait I hear them squeel, it's not a long enough time
period!!
Hardy

Impossible! How can it be? In 2010 we injected a record amount of CO2
into the atmosphere and the previous record was 2008.

Quite right and how is the acidity of the world's oceans doing ? :-)

cheers.....Jeff

[Scotty]

On Sat, 24 Dec 2011 21:46:56 -0500, "Jeffrey Hamilton"

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton

Post by Scotty

Post by killwhang
I didn't want to debunk a fool, it's like a a turkey shoot, but I
feel I must do my duty
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=ej63c6&s=5
Here you'll see no change in temp over the past decade (from BEST's
own data!). Wait I hear them squeel, it's not a long enough time
period!!
Hardy

Impossible! How can it be? In 2010 we injected a record amount of CO2
into the atmosphere and the previous record was 2008.

Quite right and how is the acidity of the world's oceans doing ? :-)
cheers.....Jeff

The "acidity" of the worlds oceans is actually alkaline - it has a pH of
8.2 plus or minus 0.1.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PH_Buffer
"Buffer solutions are used as a means of keeping pH at a nearly constant
value in a wide variety of chemical applications".

The salinity of the ocean acts as a strong buffer, the variability is
mainly due to local conditions, mainly rivers and other run-off from the
land.

The solubility of CO2 decreases with increasing temperature, which is why
your beer or soda goes flat as it warms. This means that as the globe
warms, the ocean gives up CO2 therefore you can have warming or
acidification but not both. I've not seen any reports of reducing pH.

Here is a report on the condition of the Great Barrier Reef, I see no
mention of a change in pH or the effects of global warming except two warm
periods, they don't specify but I'd guess the big El Nino of 1998 and the
El Nino of 2010.

Not the best report I've seen but on short notice:
http://kurrawa.gbrmpa.gov.au/corp_site/info_services/publications/sotr/overview/

Have fun,
Scott

[Scotty]

On Sat, 24 Dec 2011 21:46:56 -0500, "Jeffrey Hamilton"

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton

Post by Scotty

Post by killwhang
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=ej63c6&s=5
Here you'll see no change in temp over the past decade (from BEST's
own data!). Wait I hear them squeel, it's not a long enough time
period!!
Hardy

Impossible! How can it be? In 2010 we injected a record amount of CO2
into the atmosphere and the previous record was 2008.

Quite right and how is the acidity of the world's oceans doing ? :-)
cheers.....Jeff

Here is a new paper on Ocean Acidification (OA) 2011
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0028983
From the Abstract:
"one missing link in the OA story results from a chronic lack of pH data
[...] Here, we present a compilation of continuous, high-resolution time
series of upper ocean pH".

So any claims you might have heard are scare stories.

"The nature of the observed variability was also highly site-dependent"

In plain *nglish, a more readable format with included Figures and
commentary:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/12/27/the-ocean-is-not-getting-acidified/

A semantic quibble:
"The ocean is not getting acidified by additional CO2. It is getting
neutralized by additional CO2".

There you go, just the facts.

Also see, this fascinating story:

http://www.slideshare.net/olympushighschool/the-azolla-event
The Azolla Event
"Why did the Earth go from a hot, humid planet with forests all the way up
to the North Pole and then suddenly convert to a more modern cooler climate
around 47 million years ago?"

And:

The Azolla Event (Dramatic Bloom 49 Million Years Ago)
http://my.opera.com/nielsol/blog/the-azolla-event-dramatic-bloom-49-million-years-ago
"About 49 million years ago a single plant species may have changed the
earth from a greenhouse world towards the modern icehouse state."

There is no evidence that a 2 degree warmer climate would be a bad thing,
like when Greenland was green. Just scare stories,
Sounds like the Garden of Eden to me...

Or as Phil Jones himself says in a climategate email, " I think it is
plucked out of thin air" full text here:
http://junkscience.com/2011/11/23/climategate-2-0-jones-says-2o-limit-plucked-out-of-thin-air/
"The 2 deg C limit is talked about by a lot within Europe. It is never
defined though what it means. Is it 2 deg C for the globe or for Europe?
Also when is/was the base against which the 2 deg C is calculated from? I
know you don’t know the answer, but I don’t either! I think it is plucked
out of thin air. I think it is too high as well. If it is 2 deg C globally,
this could be more in Europe - especially the northern part."

Only the facts. As always:
Have fun,
Scott

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Post by Scotty
On Sat, 24 Dec 2011 21:46:56 -0500, "Jeffrey Hamilton"

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton

Post by Scotty

Post by killwhang
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=ej63c6&s=5
Here you'll see no change in temp over the past decade (from BEST's
own data!). Wait I hear them squeel, it's not a long enough time
period!!
Hardy

Impossible! How can it be? In 2010 we injected a record amount of
CO2 into the atmosphere and the previous record was 2008.

Quite right and how is the acidity of the world's oceans doing ? :-)
cheers.....Jeff

Do you have anything other than these crazy blogger bastards, Scotty? I mean
seriously, can you not find real people and real sites ?

I gave you some serious sites regarding the Oceans Ph problems and you
ignored them and now you give me shite !

Post by Scotty

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton
Have fun,

I often do have fun and when I do respond, it's due to your craziness and
it's always going to be at your expense.

cheers....Jeff

Post by Scotty
Scott

[Scotty]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 23:12:50 -0500, "Jeffrey Hamilton"

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton

Post by Scotty
On Sat, 24 Dec 2011 21:46:56 -0500, "Jeffrey Hamilton"

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton

Post by Scotty

Post by killwhang
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=ej63c6&s=5
Here you'll see no change in temp over the past decade (from BEST's
own data!). Wait I hear them squeel, it's not a long enough time
period!!
Hardy

Impossible! How can it be? In 2010 we injected a record amount of
CO2 into the atmosphere and the previous record was 2008.

Quite right and how is the acidity of the world's oceans doing ? :-)
cheers.....Jeff

Do you have anything other than these crazy blogger bastards, Scotty? I mean
seriously, can you not find real people and real sites ?

Since you snipped them, I don't know what crazy blogger bastards you refer.
I assume you mean this one:
"Here is a new paper on Ocean Acidification (OA) 2011"
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0028983

1 Department of Ecology, Evolution and Marine Biology, University of
California Santa Barbara, Santa Barbara California, United States of
America,
2 Scripps Institution of Oceanography, University of California San Diego,
La Jolla, California, United States of America,
3 Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute, Moss Landing, California,
United States of America,
4 Department of Biology, Stanford University, Hopkins Marine Station,
Pacific Grove, California, United States of America,
5 Institute of Marine Sciences, University of California Santa Cruz, Santa
Cruz, California, United States of America,
6 Laboratory of Functional and Evolutionary Ecology, Stazione Zoologica
Anton Dohrn, Villa Comunale, Naples, Italy

It's a difficult read because all the figures and tables are not in the
body and you have to scroll to "Results" somehow I guess you didn't read it
Here is one of them, you can find the others for yourself:
http://www.plosone.org/article/slideshow.action?uri=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0028983&imageURI=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0028983.g002

If the above Institutions are not authoritative enough for you, would you
accept Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution?
http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=7545&tid=282&cid=63809&ct=162
"In CO2-rich Environment, Some Ocean Dwellers Increase Shell Production"

In a striking finding that raises new questions about carbon dioxide’s
(CO2) impact on marine life, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI)
scientists report that some shell-building creatures - such as crabs,
shrimp and lobsters - unexpectedly build more shell when exposed to ocean
acidification caused by elevated levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide
(CO2).

Or perhaps you would believe that some corals thrive with CO2 bubbling
through them:
http://www.halsteaddiving.com/adult-section-stories/global-fawning/the-shell-game/
Ok, Halstead is a professional diver and photographer, but this is what
Anne L. Cohen, a research specialist at WHOI says.

"We were surprised that some organisms didn’t behave in the way we expected
under elevated CO2," said Anne L. Cohen, a research specialist at WHOI and
one of the study’s co-authors. "What was really interesting was that some
of the creatures, the coral, the hard clam and the lobster, for example,
didn’t seem to care about CO2 until it was higher than about 1,000 parts
per million [ppm]."

Next:

"[there is a] "large scale, natural experiment in Papua New Guinea. There
are several places at the eastern end of that country where carbon dioxide
is continuously bubbling up through healthy looking coral reef, with fish
swimming around and all that that implies".

Here's a picture:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2825969/posts
Coral Reef at Dobu Island with carbon dioxide bubbling through it
(photo: Bob Halstead)

"What that implies is that ocean acidification is no threat at all. If the
most delicate, fragile, iconic ecosystem of them all can handle flat-out
saturation with carbon dioxide, what is there to worry about?"

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton
I gave you some serious sites regarding the Oceans Ph problems and you
ignored them and now you give me shite !

I must needs ignore what is not posted. I've reviewed this thread and don't
see them. Please post them again. And it is pH.

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton

Post by Scotty

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton
Have fun,

I often do have fun and when I do respond, it's due to your craziness and
it's always going to be at your expense.

Let's see, I've posted links to papers from 7 Research Institutions, "when
I do respond, it's due to your craziness and it's always going to be at
your expense", I don't think so...

If this is the crazy blogger bastards site you object to:
The Azolla Event
http://www.slideshare.net/olympushighschool/the-azolla-event

Then you should know that it's a high school slide show and if you have
completed high school you should have known about the Azolla Event.

Hell, it even has a Wiki page, maybe this is crazy blogger bastards site?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azolla_event

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton
cheers....Jeff

Have fun,
Scott

[Scotty]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 23:12:50 -0500, "Jeffrey Hamilton"

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton

Post by Scotty
On Sat, 24 Dec 2011 21:46:56 -0500, "Jeffrey Hamilton"

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton

Post by Scotty

Post by killwhang
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=ej63c6&s=5
Here you'll see no change in temp over the past decade (from BEST's
own data!). Wait I hear them squeel, it's not a long enough time
period!!
Hardy

Impossible! How can it be? In 2010 we injected a record amount of
CO2 into the atmosphere and the previous record was 2008.

Quite right and how is the acidity of the world's oceans doing ? :-)
cheers.....Jeff

Do you have anything other than these crazy blogger bastards, Scotty? I mean
seriously, can you not find real people and real sites ?
I gave you some serious sites regarding the Oceans Ph problems and you
ignored them and now you give me shite !

Post by Scotty

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton
Have fun,

I often do have fun and when I do respond, it's due to your craziness and
it's always going to be at your expense.
cheers....Jeff

Acclimation to ocean acidification during long-term CO2 exposure in the
cold-water coral Lophelia pertusa
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2486.2011.02583.x/abstract

The full paper is behind a paywall but from the Abstract, you can read:

"Our present understanding of the impacts of ocean acidification on marine
life relies heavily on results from short-term CO2 perturbation studies.
Here, we present results from the first long-term CO2 perturbation study on
the dominant reef-building cold-water coral Lophelia pertusa."

"In contrast, L. pertusa was capable to acclimate to acidified conditions
in long-term (6 months) incubations, leading to even slightly enhanced
rates of calcification"

ie. If the change is slow, the coral is not affected and thrives up to
1000ppm CO2 actual level tested (from the full paper).

Have some more fun with my crazy blogger bastards and my craziness as
opposed to your "real people and real sites"

Scott

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Post by Scotty
On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 23:12:50 -0500, "Jeffrey Hamilton"

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton

Post by Scotty
On Sat, 24 Dec 2011 21:46:56 -0500, "Jeffrey Hamilton"

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton

Post by Scotty

Post by killwhang
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=ej63c6&s=5
Here you'll see no change in temp over the past decade (from
BEST's own data!). Wait I hear them squeel, it's not a long
enough time period!!
Hardy

Impossible! How can it be? In 2010 we injected a record amount of
CO2 into the atmosphere and the previous record was 2008.

Quite right and how is the acidity of the world's oceans doing ?
:-)
cheers.....Jeff

Do you have anything other than these crazy blogger bastards,
Scotty? I mean seriously, can you not find real people and real
sites ?
I gave you some serious sites regarding the Oceans Ph problems and
you ignored them and now you give me shite !

Post by Scotty

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton
Have fun,

I often do have fun and when I do respond, it's due to your
craziness and it's always going to be at your expense.
cheers....Jeff

This is your second response to my post, should I expect more ? Keeping in
mind your record I believe is three, four, if I also count the one you
responded to yourself in.

Just curious that's all.

cheers....Jeff

[Scotty]

On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 17:18:37 -0500, "Jeffrey Hamilton"

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton

Post by Scotty
On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 23:12:50 -0500, "Jeffrey Hamilton"

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton

Post by Scotty
On Sat, 24 Dec 2011 21:46:56 -0500, "Jeffrey Hamilton"

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton

Post by Scotty

Post by killwhang
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=ej63c6&s=5
Here you'll see no change in temp over the past decade (from
BEST's own data!). Wait I hear them squeel, it's not a long
enough time period!!
Hardy

Impossible! How can it be? In 2010 we injected a record amount of
CO2 into the atmosphere and the previous record was 2008.

Quite right and how is the acidity of the world's oceans doing ?
:-)
cheers.....Jeff

Do you have anything other than these crazy blogger bastards,
Scotty? I mean seriously, can you not find real people and real
sites ?
I gave you some serious sites regarding the Oceans Ph problems and
you ignored them and now you give me shite !

Post by Scotty

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton
Have fun,

I often do have fun and when I do respond, it's due to your
craziness and it's always going to be at your expense.
cheers....Jeff

This is your second response to my post, should I expect more ? Keeping in
mind your record I believe is three, four, if I also count the one you
responded to yourself in.
Just curious that's all.
cheers....Jeff

You said, "I gave you some serious sites regarding the Oceans Ph problems
and you ignored them and now you give me shite !"

Where are they?
Scott

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Post by Scotty
On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 17:18:37 -0500, "Jeffrey Hamilton"

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton

Post by Scotty
On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 23:12:50 -0500, "Jeffrey Hamilton"

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton

Post by Scotty
On Sat, 24 Dec 2011 21:46:56 -0500, "Jeffrey Hamilton"

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton

Post by Scotty

Post by killwhang
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=ej63c6&s=5
Here you'll see no change in temp over the past decade (from
BEST's own data!). Wait I hear them squeel, it's not a long
enough time period!!
Hardy

Impossible! How can it be? In 2010 we injected a record amount
of CO2 into the atmosphere and the previous record was 2008.

Quite right and how is the acidity of the world's oceans doing ?
:-)
cheers.....Jeff

Do you have anything other than these crazy blogger bastards,
Scotty? I mean seriously, can you not find real people and real
sites ?
I gave you some serious sites regarding the Oceans Ph problems and
you ignored them and now you give me shite !

Post by Scotty

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton
Have fun,

I often do have fun and when I do respond, it's due to your
craziness and it's always going to be at your expense.
cheers....Jeff

This is your second response to my post, should I expect more ?
Keeping in mind your record I believe is three, four, if I also
count the one you responded to yourself in.
Just curious that's all.
cheers....Jeff

You said, "I gave you some serious sites regarding the Oceans Ph
problems and you ignored them and now you give me shite !"
Where are they?
Scott

They were posted last summer in a rather long post6 I made to you,
countering a number of points of discussion that you had raised I believe,
on several different topics.

cheers.....Jeff

[Scotty]

On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 20:46:54 -0500, "Jeffrey Hamilton"

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton

Post by Scotty

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton
Quite right and how is the acidity of the world's oceans doing ?
:-)
cheers.....Jeff

Do you have anything other than these crazy blogger bastards,
Scotty? I mean seriously, can you not find real people and real
sites ?
I gave you some serious sites regarding the Oceans Ph problems and
you ignored them and now you give me shite !

Post by Jeffrey Hamilton
Have fun,

I often do have fun and when I do respond, it's due to your
craziness and it's always going to be at your expense.
cheers....Jeff

This is your second response to my post, should I expect more ?
Keeping in mind your record I believe is three, four, if I also
count the one you responded to yourself in.
Just curious that's all.
cheers....Jeff

You said, "I gave you some serious sites regarding the Oceans Ph
problems and you ignored them and now you give me shite !"
Where are they?
Scott

They were posted last summer in a rather long post6 I made to you,
countering a number of points of discussion that you had raised I believe,
on several different topics.
cheers.....Jeff

Whatever, all those BS stories, all those touchy feely concerned greenies,
nttiawwt, maybe you'll believe San Diego's Scripps Institution of
Oceanography.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550304577138561444464028.html

Scott

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by Scotty

Post by killwhang

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Peter Jason
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 03:42:44 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Peter Jason
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:29:35 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from renewable
sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod
Scotland looks set for its highest ever renewables output, and could
produce almost a third of its electricity from renewable sources by
the end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of Energy and
Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first three quarters of
2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last year's totals and 83 per
cent of the previous record year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over the
fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable electricity
in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy by 2020
is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient capacity in
Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent of electricity
demand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the year, while
Scotland continued to be a net exporter of electricity in 2010,
exporting 21 per cent of electricity generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth of
renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another £46bn
worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in Scotland,"
he said in a statement. "These figures show that it is on course to be
truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewable-...
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

Clear thinking people are not Luddites; nor rednecks for that matter.
The whole of Scotland could be powered by hamsters running in their
wheels and the above article would be true.  So environmentally
friendly.
The cost is the primary factor, and if the Scots want to pay, then all
is possible.
Why don't they hitch up the Hippies to the ploughs?  No more wicked
farmland CO2!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Carbon fuel is costing us the Earth.
Ain't facts a bitch loser?
See you in 2020 too.

No matter what you do in the energy stakes, population will rise to
counteract it.   Given the pressure on resources - especially water -
the long-term final solution will be to throttle back the rise in
world population.   This is the Great Elephant in the Room!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Population always takes care of itself eventualy.
In any case, you would have to cull the heaviest resource users to
make any real difference in the time available. Good luck selling
that  idea in the US and Europe. It isn't going to happen.
They use 50 times the resources of a country like Ethiopia (for
example) but I can't see them agreeing to halve their populations.
Halving the population of Ethiopia wouldn't make even the slightest
dent in emissions.

I didn't want to debunk a fool, it's like a a turkey shoot, but I feel
I must do my duty
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=ej63c6&s=5
Here you'll see no change in temp over the past decade (from BEST's
own data!). Wait I hear them squeel, it's not a long enough time
period!!
Hardy

Impossible! How can it be? In 2010 we injected a record amount of CO2 into
the atmosphere and the previous record was 2008. How can the temperature
possibly be unchanged? You spreading confusion and lies among the people
and you're obviously in the pocket of big oil, big coal or the Koch Bros.
Pacific Islands are going to be swamped and millions of boat people will
clamoring at your shores. Jeez, you're obviously not one of "the team" and
you're doing the "cause" no good with your lies.
http://www.grist.org/climate-skeptics/2011-12-16-new-approach-to-clim...
"Our biggest problem is to deal with the skepticism and denial of the
cult-like lemmings who would take us over the cliff," said Brown, a
Democrat, eliciting cheers and laughter from an audience of roughly 200
policymakers, businessleaders, and activists. "The skeptics and deniers
have billions of dollars at their disposal ... But I can tell you we're
going to fight them every step of the way until we get this state on a
sustainable path forward."
 Pachauri  said,  "Those who are becoming obstacles in implementing what is
rational should be made the responsibility of Sir Richard [Branson] to give
this one-way ticket to outer space.  Of course space would be unfortunate
to get some of these guys."
Being launched into space is too good for you,
Scott- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Despite the lowest sunspot activity for a century and the strongest La
Nina in 70 years 2011 is the hottest La Nina year and the 10th hottest
year overall since modern records began in 1840. And according to 14
seperate proxy temperature records this decade is the hottest decade
since the Thermal Optimum over 9,000 years ago.

Pathetic smears are all the denial industry and their usefull idiots
have left.

[La N.]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Pathetic smears are all the denial industry and their usefull

It's "useful", Adam. Remember, every time you make a typo, the errorists
win.

- nilita

[Ian Smith]

On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 23:22:14 -0800, Adam Whyte-Settlar couldnae haud thur

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

On Sat, 24 Dec 2011 12:44:27 -0800 (PST), killwhang

Post by killwhang

Post by Peter Jason
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 03:42:44 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Peter Jason
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:29:35 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from
renewable sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod Scotland
looks set for its highest ever renewables output, and could
produce almost a third of its electricity from renewable
sources by the end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of
Energy and Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first
three quarters of 2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last
year's totals and 83 per cent of the previous record year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over
the fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable
electricity in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy
by 2020 is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient
capacity in Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent
of electricity demand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the
year, while Scotland continued to be a net exporter of
electricity in 2010, exporting 21 per cent of electricity
generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth of
renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another
£46bn worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in
Scotland," he said in a statement. "These figures show that it
is on course to be truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-

renewable-...

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by killwhang

Post by Peter Jason

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Peter Jason

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

Clear thinking people are not Luddites; nor rednecks for that matter.
The whole of Scotland could be powered by hamsters running in
their wheels and the above article would be true.  So
environmentally friendly.
The cost is the primary factor, and if the Scots want to pay,
then all is possible.
Why don't they hitch up the Hippies to the ploughs?  No more
wicked farmland CO2!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Carbon fuel is costing us the Earth.
Ain't facts a bitch loser?
See you in 2020 too.

No matter what you do in the energy stakes, population will rise
to counteract it.   Given the pressure on resources - especially
water - the long-term final solution will be to throttle back the
rise in world population.   This is the Great Elephant in the
Room!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Population always takes care of itself eventualy. In any case, you
would have to cull the heaviest resource users to make any real
difference in the time available. Good luck selling that  idea in
the US and Europe. It isn't going to happen. They use 50 times the
resources of a country like Ethiopia (for example) but I can't see
them agreeing to halve their populations. Halving the population of
Ethiopia wouldn't make even the slightest dent in emissions.

I didn't want to debunk a fool, it's like a a turkey shoot, but I feel
I must do my duty
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=ej63c6&s=5
Here you'll see no change in temp over the past decade (from BEST's
own data!). Wait I hear them squeel, it's not a long enough time
period!!
Hardy

Impossible! How can it be? In 2010 we injected a record amount of CO2
into the atmosphere and the previous record was 2008. How can the
temperature possibly be unchanged? You spreading confusion and lies
among the people and you're obviously in the pocket of big oil, big
coal or the Koch Bros.
Pacific Islands are going to be swamped and millions of boat people
will clamoring at your shores. Jeez, you're obviously not one of "the
team" and you're doing the "cause" no good with your lies.
http://www.grist.org/climate-skeptics/2011-12-16-new-approach-to-

clim...

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

"Our biggest problem is to deal with the skepticism and denial of the
cult-like lemmings who would take us over the cliff," said Brown, a
Democrat, eliciting cheers and laughter from an audience of roughly 200
policymakers, businessleaders, and activists. "The skeptics and deniers
have billions of dollars at their disposal ... But I can tell you we're
going to fight them every step of the way until we get this state on a
sustainable path forward."
 Pachauri  said,  "Those who are becoming obstacles in implementing
 what is
rational should be made the responsibility of Sir Richard [Branson] to
give this one-way ticket to outer space.  Of course space would be
unfortunate to get some of these guys."
Being launched into space is too good for you, Scott- Hide quoted text
-
- Show quoted text -

Despite the lowest sunspot activity for a century and the strongest La
Nina in 70 years 2011 is the hottest La Nina year and the 10th hottest
year overall since modern records began in 1840. And according to 14
seperate proxy temperature records this decade is the hottest decade
since the Thermal Optimum over 9,000 years ago.
Pathetic smears are all the denial industry and their usefull idiots
have left.

On a related note, I declared to my workmates some months ago that this
winter would be much milder due to increased sunspot activity (which
peaks roughly on an 11-year cycle). So November and December came to pass
(mildest in decades), and looking back at last years big freeze (with low
sunspot numbers), they regard me as some sort of climate guru. Thanks,
sun. ;-)

[Scotty]

Post by Ian Smith
On a related note, I declared to my workmates some months ago that this
winter would be much milder due to increased sunspot activity (which
peaks roughly on an 11-year cycle). So November and December came to pass
(mildest in decades), and looking back at last years big freeze (with low
sunspot numbers), they regard me as some sort of climate guru. Thanks,
sun. ;-)

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[Scotty]

Post by Ian Smith
On a related note, I declared to my workmates some months ago that this
winter would be much milder due to increased sunspot activity (which
peaks roughly on an 11-year cycle). So November and December came to pass
(mildest in decades), and looking back at last years big freeze (with low
sunspot numbers), they regard me as some sort of climate guru. Thanks,
sun. ;-)

Oh dear that escaped early, sorry.

Ha, a shortwave listener who knows something about the sun, ozone layers
and climate but there is more... We all know that El Nino events are
coincident with the sunspot cycle.

The picture says it all
http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/figure-211.png

Bugger CO2, it's the sun stupid, more specifically the UVB radiation
which, as you know, follows the sunspot cycles.

Scott

[killwhang]

Post by Scotty

Post by Ian Smith
On a related note, I declared to my workmates some months ago that this
winter would be much milder due to increased sunspot activity (which
peaks roughly on an 11-year cycle). So November and December came to pass
(mildest in decades), and looking back at last years big freeze (with low
sunspot numbers), they regard me as some sort of climate guru. Thanks,
sun. ;-)

Oh dear that escaped early, sorry.
Ha, a shortwave listener who knows something about the sun, ozone layers
and climate but there is more... We all know that El Nino events are
coincident with the sunspot cycle.
The picture says it allhttp://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/figure-211.png
Bugger CO2, it's the sun stupid,  more specifically the UVB radiation
which, as you know, follows the sunspot cycles.
Scott

Well there is a greenhouse effect in a lab or greenhouse. It's
elementary and I am sure you well know about it.
You cannot apply this to a planet though, too many variables and the
system is closed-loop and non-linear.
You can try and simulate it but unless you knowwhat you're doing
you'll get nonsense answers (or just the answer you hoped for!).
It's worth looking at this of course but we cannot run the world based
on such work.


Hardy

[Scotty]

Post by killwhang

Post by Scotty

Post by Ian Smith
On a related note, I declared to my workmates some months ago that this
winter would be much milder due to increased sunspot activity (which
peaks roughly on an 11-year cycle). So November and December came to pass
(mildest in decades), and looking back at last years big freeze (with low
sunspot numbers), they regard me as some sort of climate guru. Thanks,
sun. ;-)

Ha, a shortwave listener who knows something about the sun, ozone layers
and climate but there is more... We all know that El Nino events are
coincident with the sunspot cycle.
The picture says it all
http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/figure-211.png
Bugger CO2, it's the sun stupid,  more specifically the UVB radiation
which, as you know, follows the sunspot cycles.
Scott

Well there is a greenhouse effect in a lab or greenhouse. It's
elementary and I am sure you well know about it.
You cannot apply this to a planet though, too many variables and the
system is closed-loop and non-linear.
You can try and simulate it but unless you know what you're doing
you'll get nonsense answers (or just the answer you hoped for!).
It's worth looking at this of course but we cannot run the world based
on such work.
Hardy

The greenhouse thing is all wrong, let me count the ways.

The most persuasive evidence that we have is from the ice-cores
There is a record of six interglacial and in all six the temperature has
started to rise about 1000 years before the CO2 starts to rise. Since the
cause cannot follow the effect CO2 cannot have been the cause of the
warming. There must be another mechanism, probably the Milankovitch cycles
- the orbit of the earth around the sun - of which there are three, the
major one has a period of 100 million years which coincides with the major
glaciations. No CO2 involvement required.

The alarmist say, "that was then but this is now" because we are pumping so
much excess CO2 into the atmosphere and rightly quote verrrry large
numbers. The fact is that of the total CO2 released into the atmosphere we
are responsible for only 3%, still it can't be ignored.

If you consider the earth as a black body radiator, it's not black actually
more like gray because of the vegetation cover, but back of envelope stuff,
at a temp abt 220K -330K it radiates at a spectrum from 4 to 40 microns.
CO2 has four absorption bands, three weak ones and a strong one at 15
microns, in the far IR. If you ignore the absorption of water vapor, CO2
would absorb abt 8% of the energy being reradiated out to space.

When the 15um radiation excites the CO2 molecules it warms them and they
promptly reradiate the energy at the same wavelength but it radiates
isotropically so a maximum of 50% of 8% could warm the earth. and then you
can invoke the Second Law of Thermodynamics that heat cannot flow from cold
regions to hot regions.

But ignore all that!

Now water vapor, it absorbs nearly the whole spectrum including 15um so if
any energy gets to where the CO2 is, it is absorbed by the water vapor
before it can warm the earth on the way back.

But the kicker is: By measurement, a 10 meter column of a standard
atmosphere with 357ppm CO2, the 15um radiation is absorbed to extinction,
if you double the concentration of CO2 extinction occurs at 9.5 (?) meters,
not much difference. Dr Hug from one of the German Institutions.

A rough translation from the original German here:
http://www.john-daly.com/artifact.htm

The CO2 hypothesis requires that the upper troposphere should be heating in
step with the earth - it's not been detected either by the satellites or
weather balloons.

So, to suggest that CO2 behaves like a blanket/greenhouse is a false
analogy because a they block convection but if it did it would at best be a
mosquito net.

As the CCCC (Carbon Climate Catastrophe Crew) would say, "Pheesiks? We
don’t need no steenkin’ pheesiks!"

I count 7 (seven) reasons why CO2 is a very minor player in the global
warming catastrophe. 7 more reasons than the CCCC.

Scott

[Scotty]

Post by Scotty

Post by Scotty

Post by Ian Smith
On a related note, I declared to my workmates some months ago that this
winter would be much milder due to increased sunspot activity (which
peaks roughly on an 11-year cycle). So November and December came to pass
(mildest in decades), and looking back at last years big freeze (with low
sunspot numbers), they regard me as some sort of climate guru. Thanks,
sun. ;-)

Ha, a shortwave listener who knows something about the sun, ozone layers
and climate but there is more... We all know that El Nino events are
coincident with the sunspot cycle.
The picture says it all
http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/figure-211.png
Bugger CO2, it's the sun stupid,  more specifically the UVB radiation
which, as you know, follows the sunspot cycles.
Scott

Oops, brain-fart time. I was lying in bed the other night and I hit the
replay button (I do that quite often) and realized that all the millions
written below should be thousands.

Sorry.

Major glaciating occurs every 100 thousand years cycles with minor
glaciating every 20 thousand years, next one is due in a thousand years,
better buy your winter woollies now before the price skyrockets.

Scott

Post by Scotty
The greenhouse thing is all wrong, let me count the ways.
The most persuasive evidence that we have is from the ice-cores
There is a record of six interglacial and in all six the temperature has
started to rise about 1000 years before the CO2 starts to rise. Since the
cause cannot follow the effect CO2 cannot have been the cause of the
warming. There must be another mechanism, probably the Milankovitch cycles
- the orbit of the earth around the sun - of which there are three, the
major one has a period of 100 million years which coincides with the major
glaciations. No CO2 involvement required.
The alarmist say, "that was then but this is now" because we are pumping so
much excess CO2 into the atmosphere and rightly quote verrrry large
numbers. The fact is that of the total CO2 released into the atmosphere we
are responsible for only 3%, still it can't be ignored.
If you consider the earth as a black body radiator, it's not black actually
more like gray because of the vegetation cover, but back of envelope stuff,
at a temp abt 220K -330K it radiates at a spectrum from 4 to 40 microns.
CO2 has four absorption bands, three weak ones and a strong one at 15
microns, in the far IR. If you ignore the absorption of water vapor, CO2
would absorb abt 8% of the energy being reradiated out to space.
When the 15um radiation excites the CO2 molecules it warms them and they
promptly reradiate the energy at the same wavelength but it radiates
isotropically so a maximum of 50% of 8% could warm the earth. and then you
can invoke the Second Law of Thermodynamics that heat cannot flow from cold
regions to hot regions.
But ignore all that!
Now water vapor, it absorbs nearly the whole spectrum including 15um so if
any energy gets to where the CO2 is, it is absorbed by the water vapor
before it can warm the earth on the way back.
But the kicker is: By measurement, a 10 meter column of a standard
atmosphere with 357ppm CO2, the 15um radiation is absorbed to extinction,
if you double the concentration of CO2 extinction occurs at 9.5 (?) meters,
not much difference. Dr Hug from one of the German Institutions.
http://www.john-daly.com/artifact.htm
The CO2 hypothesis requires that the upper troposphere should be heating in
step with the earth - it's not been detected either by the satellites or
weather balloons.
So, to suggest that CO2 behaves like a blanket/greenhouse is a false
analogy because a they block convection but if it did it would at best be a
mosquito net.
As the CCCC (Carbon Climate Catastrophe Crew) would say, "Pheesiks? We
don’t need no steenkin’ pheesiks!"
I count 7 (seven) reasons why CO2 is a very minor player in the global
warming catastrophe. 7 more reasons than the CCCC.
Scott

[Ian Smith]

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 02:48:18 +0200, Scotty couldnae haud thur wheesht ony

Post by Scotty

Post by Ian Smith
On a related note, I declared to my workmates some months ago that this
winter would be much milder due to increased sunspot activity (which
peaks roughly on an 11-year cycle). So November and December came to
pass (mildest in decades), and looking back at last years big freeze
(with low sunspot numbers), they regard me as some sort of climate
guru. Thanks, sun. ;-)

Oh dear that escaped early, sorry.
Ha, a shortwave listener who knows something about the sun, ozone layers
and climate but there is more... We all know that El Nino events are
coincident with the sunspot cycle.
The picture says it all
http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/figure-211.png
Bugger CO2, it's the sun stupid, more specifically the UVB radiation
which, as you know, follows the sunspot cycles.
Scott

"It's the sun stupid!". That's got a certain ring to it.

[Scotty]

Post by Ian Smith
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 02:48:18 +0200, Scotty couldnae haud thur wheesht ony

Post by Scotty

Post by Ian Smith
On a related note, I declared to my workmates some months ago that this
winter would be much milder due to increased sunspot activity (which
peaks roughly on an 11-year cycle). So November and December came to
pass (mildest in decades), and looking back at last years big freeze
(with low sunspot numbers), they regard me as some sort of climate
guru. Thanks, sun. ;-)

Oh dear that escaped early, sorry.
Ha, a shortwave listener who knows something about the sun, ozone layers
and climate but there is more... We all know that El Nino events are
coincident with the sunspot cycle.
The picture says it all
http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/figure-211.png
Bugger CO2, it's the sun stupid, more specifically the UVB radiation
which, as you know, follows the sunspot cycles.
Scott

"It's the sun stupid!". That's got a certain ring to it.

I like it, it wasn't addressed to you of course :-)

Scott

[Ian Smith]

On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 02:52:25 +0200, Scotty couldnae haud thur wheesht ony

Post by Scotty

Post by Ian Smith
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 02:48:18 +0200, Scotty couldnae haud thur wheesht

Post by Scotty

Post by Ian Smith
On a related note, I declared to my workmates some months ago that
this winter would be much milder due to increased sunspot activity
(which peaks roughly on an 11-year cycle). So November and December
came to pass (mildest in decades), and looking back at last years big
freeze (with low sunspot numbers), they regard me as some sort of
climate guru. Thanks, sun. ;-)

Oh dear that escaped early, sorry.
Ha, a shortwave listener who knows something about the sun, ozone
layers and climate but there is more... We all know that El Nino
events are coincident with the sunspot cycle.
The picture says it all
http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/figure-211.png
Bugger CO2, it's the sun stupid, more specifically the UVB radiation
which, as you know, follows the sunspot cycles.
Scott

"It's the sun stupid!". That's got a certain ring to it.

I like it, it wasn't addressed to you of course :-)
Scott

Widnae bother me anyway. :-)

On climate change, one hopes that humanity will actually be ready to cope
with the next ice age when it arrives in a millenium or two. A certain
inescapable fact; even if we are somehow incompetent or stupid enough to
become extinct, life on Earth will prevail in one form or another, as it
has always done after an extinction event. It's a sobering thought.

Happy New Year!

[l***@gmail.com]

Post by Ian Smith
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 02:52:25 +0200, Scotty couldnae haud thur wheesht ony

Post by Scotty

Post by Ian Smith
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 02:48:18 +0200, Scotty couldnae haud thur wheesht

Post by Scotty

Post by Ian Smith
On a related note, I declared to my workmates some months ago that
this winter would be much milder due to increased sunspot activity
(which peaks roughly on an 11-year cycle). So November and December
came to pass (mildest in decades), and looking back at last years big
freeze (with low sunspot numbers), they regard me as some sort of
climate guru. Thanks, sun. ;-)

Oh dear that escaped early, sorry.
Ha, a shortwave listener who knows something about the sun, ozone
layers and climate but there is more... We all know that El Nino
events are coincident with the sunspot cycle.
The picture says it all
http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/figure-211.png
Bugger CO2, it's the sun stupid, more specifically the UVB radiation
which, as you know, follows the sunspot cycles.
Scott

"It's the sun stupid!". That's got a certain ring to it.

I like it, it wasn't addressed to you of course :-)
Scott

Widnae bother me anyway. :-)
On climate change, one hopes that humanity will actually be ready to cope
with the next ice age when it arrives in a millenium or two. A certain
inescapable fact; even if we are somehow incompetent or stupid enough to
become extinct, life on Earth will prevail in one form or another, as it
has always done after an extinction event. It's a sobering thought.
Happy New Year!
--
Perpetual Calendar - http://www.1r5.net
Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/1r5.net

Thanks to us there isn't going to be an ice age for tens of thousands of years.

[killwhang]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Peter Jason
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 03:42:44 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Peter Jason
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:29:35 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from renewable
sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod
Scotland looks set for its highest ever renewables output, and could
produce almost a third of its electricity from renewable sources by
the end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of Energy and
Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first three quarters of
2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last year's totals and 83 per
cent of the previous record year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over the
fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable electricity
in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy by 2020
is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient capacity in
Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent of electricity
demand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the year, while
Scotland continued to be a net exporter of electricity in 2010,
exporting 21 per cent of electricity generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth of
renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another £46bn
worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in Scotland,"
he said in a statement. "These figures show that it is on course to be
truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewable-...
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

Clear thinking people are not Luddites; nor rednecks for that matter.
The whole of Scotland could be powered by hamsters running in their
wheels and the above article would be true.  So environmentally
friendly.
The cost is the primary factor, and if the Scots want to pay, then all
is possible.
Why don't they hitch up the Hippies to the ploughs?  No more wicked
farmland CO2!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Carbon fuel is costing us the Earth.
Ain't facts a bitch loser?
See you in 2020 too.

No matter what you do in the energy stakes, population will rise to
counteract it.   Given the pressure on resources - especially water -
the long-term final solution will be to throttle back the rise in
world population.   This is the Great Elephant in the Room!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Population always takes care of itself eventualy.
In any case, you would have to cull the heaviest resource users to
make any real difference in the time available. Good luck selling
that  idea in the US and Europe. It isn't going to happen.
They use 50 times the resources of a country like Ethiopia

err yes, but no doubt produce 50 times as much in produce as Ethiopia!
USA is the breadbasket of the world (and Canada) What a Twat!!

Hardy

[Peter Jason]

On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 19:38:36 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Peter Jason
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 03:42:44 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Peter Jason
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:29:35 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from renewable
sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod
Scotland looks set for its highest ever renewables output, and could
produce almost a third of its electricity from renewable sources by
the end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of Energy and
Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first three quarters of
2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last year's totals and 83 per
cent of the previous record year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over the
fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable electricity
in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy by 2020
is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient capacity in
Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent of electricity
demand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the year, while
Scotland continued to be a net exporter of electricity in 2010,
exporting 21 per cent of electricity generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth of
renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another £46bn
worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in Scotland,"
he said in a statement. "These figures show that it is on course to be
truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewable-...
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

Clear thinking people are not Luddites; nor rednecks for that matter.
The whole of Scotland could be powered by hamsters running in their
wheels and the above article would be true.  So environmentally
friendly.
The cost is the primary factor, and if the Scots want to pay, then all
is possible.
Why don't they hitch up the Hippies to the ploughs?  No more wicked
farmland CO2!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Carbon fuel is costing us the Earth.
Ain't facts a bitch loser?
See you in 2020 too.

No matter what you do in the energy stakes, population will rise to
counteract it.   Given the pressure on resources - especially water -
the long-term final solution will be to throttle back the rise in
world population.   This is the Great Elephant in the Room!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Population always takes care of itself eventualy.

Yes. As an example Ethiopia is a routine case. In good times the
population breeds up. In times of dearth the surplus numbers starve.

Is this what you have in mind?

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
In any case, you would have to cull the heaviest resource users to
make any real difference in the time available. Good luck selling
that idea in the US and Europe. It isn't going to happen.
They use 50 times the resources of a country like Ethiopia (for
example) but I can't see them agreeing to halve their populations.
Halving the population of Ethiopia wouldn't make even the slightest
dent in emissions.

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by Peter Jason
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:29:35 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from renewable
sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod
Scotland looks set for its highest ever renewables output, and could
produce almost a third of its electricity from renewable sources by
the end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of Energy and
Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first three quarters of
2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last year's totals and 83 per
cent of the previous record year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over the
fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable electricity
in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy by 2020
is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient capacity in
Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent of electricity
demand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the year, while
Scotland continued to be a net exporter of electricity in 2010,
exporting 21 per cent of electricity generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth of
renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another £46bn
worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in Scotland,"
he said in a statement. "These figures show that it is on course to be
truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewable-...
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

Clear thinking people are not Luddites; nor rednecks for that matter.

Agreed.
Any clear thinking person can see its simply obvious we need to
develop new power generating technologies.
Technologies that don't destroy the very climate that led to our being
able to build a global civilisation in the first place.

Brings new meaning to the phrase 'Fossil fuel generation is costing us
the Earth'.
.

Post by Peter Jason
The whole of Scotland could be powered by hamsters running in their
wheels

Oh dear.
I thought we might be having a serious conversation.

Post by Peter Jason
- Show quoted text -

[Ian Smith]

On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 14:22:57 -0800, Adam Whyte-Settlar couldnae haud thur

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Peter Jason
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:29:35 -0800 (PST), Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from renewable
sources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod Scotland looks set for its
highest ever renewables output, and could produce almost a third of
its electricity from renewable sources by the end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of Energy and
Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first three quarters of
2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last year's totals and 83 per
cent of the previous record year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over the
fourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable electricity
in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100 per cent green energy by 2020
is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient capacity in
Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent of electricity
demand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the year, while
Scotland continued to be a net exporter of electricity in 2010,
exporting 21 per cent of electricity generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth of
renewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another £46bn
worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in Scotland,"
he said in a statement. "These figures show that it is on course to be
truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-

renewable-...

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Peter Jason

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

Clear thinking people are not Luddites; nor rednecks for that matter.

Agreed.
Any clear thinking person can see its simply obvious we need to develop
new power generating technologies. Technologies that don't destroy the
very climate that led to our being able to build a global civilisation
in the first place.
Brings new meaning to the phrase 'Fossil fuel generation is costing us
the Earth'.
.

Post by Peter Jason
The whole of Scotland could be powered by hamsters running in their
wheels

Oh dear.
I thought we might be having a serious conversation.

Post by Peter Jason
- Show quoted text -

Ochone, dinnae underestimate the power of the hamster.

[killwhang]

Scotland is set to generate a third of its electricity from renewablesources in 2011. Photograph: Murdo Macleod
Scotland looks set for its highest ever renewables output, and could
produce almost a third of its electricity from renewable sources bythe end of 2011.
The latest Energy Statistics (PDF) from the Department of Energy and
Climate Change (DECC) show that, over the first three quarters of2011, Scotland delivered 94 per cent of last year's totals and 83 per
cent of the previous record year.
The Scottish government said that, if the trend continues over thefourth quarter, 2011 will be a record year for renewable electricity
in Scotland.
It added that the country's goal of 100per cent green energy by 2020
is also on track, as the statistics reveal sufficient capacity in
Scotland to meet its interim target of 31 per cent of electricitydemand from renewables in 2011.
Installed capacity reached a record high of 4.3GW over the year, whileScotland continued to be a net exporter of electricity in 2010,
exporting 21 per cent of electricity generated.
Scottish energy minister Fergus Ewing said that £750m worth ofrenewables projects were switched on in 2011, while another £46bn
worth are in the pipeline.
"2011 has been an exceptional year for renewable energy in Scotland,"
he said in a statement. "These figures show that it is on course to be
truly the best year yet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/scottish-renewable-...
Not a good day to be a Luddite.

They don't mention the cost - very crucial!


Hardy