Post by Lions Growl of Butchers FoulPost by PelicanAlthough it was the Poms who declared war on Germany, for reasons that
had nothing to do with Pomland. And when the Soviets took their share
The reasons had everything to do with an altruistic motive to stop the rise of a totalitarian regime.
Chamberlain managed to prevent any measures being taken during the Anschluss or the invasion of Czechoslovakia, but for Poland, the Allies had to finally do something, and it wasn't in their interest or for their benefit.
Bullshit. A few weeks later, the Ruskies arrived. No-one did a thing.
Post by Lions Growl of Butchers FoulPost by Pelicanof Poland under the secret agreement, the Poms were strangely quiet.
Strange? Not declaring war on two fronts simultaneously?
Remind us how well the two-front war went for the Germans, eh?
Don't tell me that you are one of those nutters who think that WW2 in
Europe involved anyone except the Germans and the Soviets? It was a
rerun of WW2.
Post by Lions Growl of Butchers FoulPost by PelicanMuch the same as WW1, when the Poms declared war on Germany, for reasons
that had nothing to do with Pomland. Leading to terrible death and
destruction in Europe, and the advent of communist Russia. Catastrophic.
Utter rubbish. The English didn't "lead" any of it.
No. They just pulled the trigger. Twice. With catastrophic results.
Post by Lions Growl of Butchers FoulThe Austrians declared war on the Serbs.
The Russians declared war on the Austrians in support of their fellow Orthodox Christians.
The Germans declared war on Russia in support of their fellow goose-steppers.
Russia demanded France honour its Triple Entente agreement by declaring war on Germany.
France demanded that England follow suit, under the terms of the same agreement.
Bullshit. England declared war on Germany because of the "scrap of
paper" involving the territorial integrity of Belgium.
It's a lie repeated frequently that the cause of WW1 was the
assassination of a Royal something or other in Sarajevo. The cause was
the fuckwitted Poms declaring war on Germany because of an old treaty
made when Belgium was first established as an independent State in the
19th century. From the end of the Napoleonic wars, the Poms (to their
credit) had not been involved in any military adventures in Europe. The
Poms didn't have to declare war, and the shouldn't have done it. It was
fuckwittism at its worst. Admittedly, in hindsight, because no-one had
the least clue of the actual consequences. The Germans were quite
surprised at the Pom behaviour.
Post by Lions Growl of Butchers FoulJapan jumped in just for the hell of it, because they wanted to steal some land from Germany. > At some point Italy declared war on Austria because Austria was
getting its butt kicked and Italy wanted to grab some land, but Italy
got its butt kicked instead.
Post by Lions Growl of Butchers FoulTurkey had some kind of agreement with Germany I guess, not sure about how they got involved, except I know the Germans had been training their army and supplied much of its officer corps.
If you bothered to do the research, you would find that Turkey was
interested in being protected from the aggression of the Imperial
Russians, and would have been happy to side with the Poms and the Frogs,
except that the Poms and the Frogs had their own disgusting designs on
Turkey (ie the then Turkish Empire). We are seeing some of the results
of their appalling fuckwittery right now. So, the Poms and the Frogs
told the Turks to GAGF, and the Turks turned to Germany as their second
best option.
Post by Lions Growl of Butchers FoulThe bottom line is that England got dragged into it to honour their international commitments.
Fucking bullshit. Countries do what is in their best interests. The
Poms (as has been said) sleep-walked into WW1. Fucking morons. They
still are - see Brexit.
Post by Lions Growl of Butchers FoulEngland's main aim for WW1 (a position decided in 1911 by Winston Churchill and the First Sea Lord) was in fact to secure middle-eastern oil, as the world's battleship fleets were just at that time in the process of being upgraded from coal to oil, and England had a "two-for-one" policy in relation to their naval strength v. Germany's.
See above, for the Pom-Frog attitude to the Turkish Empire. They were
both after substantial parts of that Empire.
Post by Lions Growl of Butchers FoulThis is why the civilised nations of the world then formed the League of Nations and eventually the UN - because internationalism has to be ordered a bit better than it was in 1911.
Fucking bullshit. Was the US involved in the LoN? What use was the LoN
against either Germany or the Soviets?
As it happens, WW2 was a rerun of WW1. The German objective in WW1 was
to seize a large part of Imperial Russia. That meant knocking out the
Frogs early. It was a near thing in WW1, screwed up by the Poms,
although the Germans still grabbed a huge slice of Imperial Russia as it
collapsed. The Bolshies later reneged on the treaty with the Germans,
of course.
In WW2, the Frogs were quickly knocked out as planned. The Poms tried
to screw it up, as in WW1, got their arses kicked by the Germans and ran
away. WW2 then became a war between the Germans and the Ruskies, as
Germany intended. The Germans miscalculated, and the Ruskies won,
comprehensively.
Since then, the Germans have won the peace in Europe, the Soviets have
been consigned to the dust-bin of history, and the US have Trump. The
Poms are doing Brexit, badly.
Post by Lions Growl of Butchers FoulPost by PelicanThem Poms are know-nothing fools. And now they want Brexit - a country
with a death-wish.
The Poms (once they turfed the limp Chamberlain) stood up to Hitler while the rest of Europe was busy capitulating,
The Poms did SFA. WW2 for them was merely fiddling around the edges of
the war between Germany and the Soviets.
Post by Lions Growl of Butchers Foulcollaborating, and otherwise cosying up to him.
If it wasn't for Chamberlain, the Holocaust would have been much-reduced, or not happened at all.
What utter bullshit! But, it should be said, Hitler, and Nazi ideology
and the holocaust or shoa was a disgusting phenonema, an exercise in
collective insanity. Having said that, the fundamental objectives of
the Germans in both WW1 and WW2 was to seize territory in Russia. They
failed.
