UKIP - is it now time to disband?

UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to current
politics.

It was only last June that they secured a massive and momentous victory, and now
they've lost the best leader they ever had.

Can't see Leicester City disbanding though.

Even before the referendum, Nigel Farage was incapable of winning an election and
he was always the main poster-boy. Now Nuttall has failed to win in a vulnerable
seat, Stoke, and in Copeland the UKIP votes were less than for the LibDems.

By-elections, an insignificant time when every lying political toad claims the
result is a glorious victory, win or lose.

All UKIP can ever do is take votes from the Tories and from Labour and help one or
other of them win a seat.

So, they're pretty influential then. Which is what politics is all about actually.

What is UKIP's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant economists who
can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have nothing to offer.

They're not doing the negotiating. And they don't have the resources of the Civil
Service.

I think they'll choose for themselves what to do and where to go next, don't you?

What's it got to do with you?

The Todal

2017-02-24 11:09:35 UTC

Post by The Todal
UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to
current politics.

It was only last June that they secured a massive and momentous victory,
and now they've lost the best leader they ever had.
Can't see Leicester City disbanding though.

Post by The Todal
Even before the referendum, Nigel Farage was incapable of winning an
election and he was always the main poster-boy. Now Nuttall has failed
to win in a vulnerable seat, Stoke, and in Copeland the UKIP votes
were less than for the LibDems.

By-elections, an insignificant time when every lying political toad
claims the result is a glorious victory, win or lose.

Post by The Todal
All UKIP can ever do is take votes from the Tories and from Labour and
help one or other of them win a seat.

So, they're pretty influential then. Which is what politics is all about actually.

Post by The Todal
What is UKIP's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

They're not doing the negotiating. And they don't have the resources of
the Civil Service.
I think they'll choose for themselves what to do and where to go next, don't you?
What's it got to do with you?

Well, Norman has set the bar very low (as usual) - does anyone have a
more intelligent contribution to offer?

JNugent

2017-02-24 14:32:21 UTC

Post by The Todal
UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to
current politics.
Even before the referendum, Nigel Farage was incapable of winning an
election and he was always the main poster-boy. Now Nuttall has failed
to win in a vulnerable seat, Stoke, and in Copeland the UKIP votes
were less than for the LibDems.
All UKIP can ever do is take votes from the Tories and from Labour and
help one or other of them win a seat.

So, they're pretty influential then. Which is what politics is all about actually.

Post by The Todal
What is UKIP's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

They're not doing the negotiating. And they don't have the resources of
the Civil Service.
I think they'll choose for themselves what to do and where to go next, don't you?
What's it got to do with you?

Well, Norman has set the bar very low (as usual) - does anyone have a
more intelligent contribution to offer?

I don't know the answer to that latter question... but here's another:

Did you always have this concern or has it really only formed since the
EU / Referendum / UKIP / Brexit scenario has proved to be a threat to
Labour (post-June 2016)?

IOW, were you worried about UKIP in the days when it looked as though
their sole effect was to split the anti-socialist vote, allowing Labour
candidates to benefit from the squeeze and thus (UKIP) being simply a
threat to the Conservatives?

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2017-02-24 20:18:14 UTC

Post by JNugent

So, they're pretty influential then. Which is what politics is all about actually.

Post by The Todal
What is UKIP's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

They're not doing the negotiating. And they don't have the resources of
the Civil Service.
I think they'll choose for themselves what to do and where to go next, don't you?
What's it got to do with you?

Well, Norman has set the bar very low (as usual) - does anyone have a
more intelligent contribution to offer?

Did you always have this concern or has it really only formed since the
EU / Referendum / UKIP / Brexit scenario has proved to be a threat to
Labour (post-June 2016)?
IOW, were you worried about UKIP in the days when it looked as though
their sole effect was to split the anti-socialist vote, allowing Labour
candidates to benefit from the squeeze and thus (UKIP) being simply a
threat to the Conservatives?

Oh, that's easy to answer. I have no "concern" and I"m not "worried".
Are you worried?

Vidcapper

2017-02-25 07:24:01 UTC

Post by JNugent
IOW, were you worried about UKIP in the days when it looked as though
their sole effect was to split the anti-socialist vote, allowing Labour
candidates to benefit from the squeeze and thus (UKIP) being simply a
threat to the Conservatives?

Oh, that's easy to answer. I have no "concern" and I"m not "worried".
Are you worried?

Well, you were clearly concerned enough to raise the matter *here*...

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The Todal

2017-02-25 10:30:26 UTC

Oh, that's easy to answer. I have no "concern" and I"m not "worried".
Are you worried?

Well, you were clearly concerned enough to raise the matter *here*...

Yeah, I really took my concerns to the highest possible authority, didn't I?

Vidcapper

2017-02-25 10:57:58 UTC

Oh, that's easy to answer. I have no "concern" and I"m not "worried".
Are you worried?

Well, you were clearly concerned enough to raise the matter *here*...

Yeah, I really took my concerns to the highest possible authority, didn't I?

You took it to the highest one that'd pay any attention to you, at least. ;)

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Ophelia

2017-02-25 11:25:55 UTC

Oh, that's easy to answer. I have no "concern" and I"m not "worried".
Are you worried?

Well, you were clearly concerned enough to raise the matter *here*...

Yeah, I really took my concerns to the highest possible authority, didn't I?

Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

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The Todal

2017-02-25 12:03:46 UTC

Oh, that's easy to answer. I have no "concern" and I"m not "worried".
Are you worried?

Well, you were clearly concerned enough to raise the matter *here*...

Yeah, I really took my concerns to the highest possible authority, didn't I?

You took it to the highest one that'd pay any attention to you, at least. ;)

There's always the option of phoning LBC Radio if you want your voice to
be heard by the entire nation and across the world.

Don't you see it as a problem, then, that people are still voting for
UKIP and taking valuable votes away from whatever party stands a better
chance of winning? The Tories might perhaps have won in Stoke if it
hadn't been for the gormless people mechanically voting for UKIP in the
hope that this would help to speed up our exit out of the EU.

Norman Wells

2017-02-25 13:00:19 UTC

Don't you see it as a problem, then, that people are still voting for UKIP and
taking valuable votes away from whatever party stands a better chance of winning?
The Tories might perhaps have won in Stoke if it hadn't been for the gormless
people mechanically voting for UKIP in the hope that this would help to speed up
our exit out of the EU.

And UKIP might perhaps have won in Copeland and Stoke Central had it not been for
the gormless people mechanically voting for Labour in the hope of God knows what.
Labour should therefore have stood aside.

You can play that game forever.

tim...

2017-02-25 13:07:36 UTC

Oh, that's easy to answer. I have no "concern" and I"m not "worried".
Are you worried?

Well, you were clearly concerned enough to raise the matter *here*...

Yeah, I really took my concerns to the highest possible authority, didn't I?

You took it to the highest one that'd pay any attention to you, at least. ;)

There's always the option of phoning LBC Radio if you want your voice to
be heard by the entire nation and across the world.
Don't you see it as a problem, then, that people are still voting for UKIP
and taking valuable votes away from whatever party stands a better chance
of winning? The Tories might perhaps have won in Stoke if it hadn't been
for the gormless people mechanically voting for UKIP in the hope that this
would help to speed up our exit out of the EU.

Except that the majority almost certainly voted for UKIP as the anti-Labour
party, because they'd rather poke hot sticks in their eyes than vote Tory.

tim

Nick

2017-02-24 11:17:21 UTC

Post by The Todal
UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to
current politics.
Even before the referendum, Nigel Farage was incapable of winning an
election and he was always the main poster-boy. Now Nuttall has failed
to win in a vulnerable seat, Stoke, and in Copeland the UKIP votes were
less than for the LibDems.
All UKIP can ever do is take votes from the Tories and from Labour and
help one or other of them win a seat.
What is UKIP's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

The point of UKIP was to pressurise the Tories into adopting anti-EU
policies. In particular they forced Cameron to promise the referendum.

Obviously there isn't much point to UKIP now, which is why their one
charismatic politician left.

On a broader note at the last general election they did get more votes
than the SNP + Liberal Democrat combined. Perhaps it would be better if
we had a more representative electoral system.

I have always wanted to be able to vote for someone who vaguely
reflected my views.

R. Mark Clayton

2017-02-24 11:28:13 UTC

Post by Nick

Post by The Todal
UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to
current politics.
Even before the referendum, Nigel Farage was incapable of winning an
election and he was always the main poster-boy. Now Nuttall has failed
to win in a vulnerable seat, Stoke, and in Copeland the UKIP votes were
less than for the LibDems.
All UKIP can ever do is take votes from the Tories and from Labour and
help one or other of them win a seat.
What is UKIP's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

and their new leader seems especially prone to spinning a yarn: -

BBC Report 17 August 2011:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-14562573
Paul Nuttall, North West Euro MP for UKIP, said: "This is a cover-up of a cover-up.
"What are the Tories frightened of? The people of Liverpool will be disgusted by these cowardly moves to hide the truth.
"Revealing the facts on Hillsborough is hardly a matter of national security, it is a matter of natural justice."
"The briefings in question are the private memos that were sent to the then Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.
"Without them being made public we will never get to the bottom of that appalling tragedy when 96 Liverpool fans including close personal friends of mine lost their lives."

Post by Nick
On a broader note at the last general election they did get more votes
than the SNP + Liberal Democrat combined. Perhaps it would be better if
we had a more representative electoral system.
I have always wanted to be able to vote for someone who vaguely
reflected my views.

j***@gmail.com

2017-02-24 11:42:02 UTC

We should have a good opposition to any party that is in power.

Out if the three Labour,Liberals and UKIP
which are the more credible and has the best reputation?

Ophelia

2017-02-24 13:37:15 UTC

wrote in message news:c70ddda5-3a67-4518-b81e-***@googlegroups.com...

We should have a good opposition to any party that is in power.

Out if the three Labour,Liberals and UKIP
which are the more credible and has the best reputation?

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Do you think Labour is a good opposition to any party that is in power?

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j***@gmail.com

2017-02-24 14:08:09 UTC

Labour no. I think if they can get a credible leader as UKIP has less baggage they could do well.

Omega

2017-02-24 13:09:46 UTC

Post by The Todal
UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to
current politics.
Even before the referendum, Nigel Farage was incapable of winning an
election and he was always the main poster-boy. Now Nuttall has failed
to win in a vulnerable seat, Stoke, and in Copeland the UKIP votes were
less than for the LibDems.
All UKIP can ever do is take votes from the Tories and from Labour and
help one or other of them win a seat.
What is UKIP's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

All my life, until last June I have been more or less non-political,
probably having witnessed as a young man, very little changed in my
life, whichever of the two parties held power.

I admired Thatcher for most of her reign, except for a couple of issues,
the main one for me, the abandonment of the Poll Tax after a bunch of
thugs in Toxteth decided to rip the place apart and in came Heseltine
with his ridiculous Council Tax.

When Farage came on the scene, it was refreshing to watch his brash
style when addressing the European Parliament. It soon became apparent
to me, just how arrogant a bunch of bastards the European masters had
become and decided we need to be away from these people.

Immigration isn't a huge problem for me but I do insist, if people want
to enjoy our way of life, our system, all we have good to offer, then
they must show some idea they want to integrate with us, though I would
not want to see their own culture killed off to appease in total.

muslims parading *My* streets advocating beheading their infidel hosts
is anathema to me! I often cannot believe how the hell these savages
have been allowed to get away with these sequels. I'm constantly told
there are millions of moderate muslims in the country. I'm so confused,
I barely know what moderate means anymore.

UKIP as far as I see, has been Nigel Farage and whether one loves him or
hates him he is a *Brit*. He set a goal with extraordinary high posts
but managed in his way, to get the ball clean over the top. Whatever
the tales that lead up to it all, UKIP got us the Referendum to decide
if we wanted in or out of the EU. Cue Mrs May, the woman in charge of
the governing party in the UK, "Brexit, is Brexit".

Every day the Remainers insist they haven't lost yet, even putting up
barmy, silly players to tell us we all all mentally retarded wanting to
leave the EU.

I would say, next month, when the government invokes Article 50, it will
be a case for UKIP, 'Job Is Done' and a fucking well done job at that,
but time now to hang up the holsters and announce their dissolution.
They will of course keep their seats in the EU parliament for the next
two years then disband with the dignity, if history will write them, the
victors, over near impossible odds.

Maybe Farage will be honoured in some way later, perhaps when Europe has
fallen and can watch from their coracles wishing they had, had the balls
to break up, when we did.

omega

Norman Wells

2017-02-24 14:16:07 UTC

Post by Omega
time now to hang up the holsters and announce their dissolution.

You mean Labour?

Ophelia

2017-02-24 14:17:11 UTC

Post by The Todal
UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to
current politics.
Even before the referendum, Nigel Farage was incapable of winning an
election and he was always the main poster-boy. Now Nuttall has failed
to win in a vulnerable seat, Stoke, and in Copeland the UKIP votes were
less than for the LibDems.
All UKIP can ever do is take votes from the Tories and from Labour and
help one or other of them win a seat.
What is UKIP's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

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Ophelia

2017-02-24 16:10:10 UTC

Post by The Todal
UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to
current politics.
Even before the referendum, Nigel Farage was incapable of winning an
election and he was always the main poster-boy. Now Nuttall has failed
to win in a vulnerable seat, Stoke, and in Copeland the UKIP votes were
less than for the LibDems.
All UKIP can ever do is take votes from the Tories and from Labour and
help one or other of them win a seat.
What is UKIP's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

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Nick

2017-02-24 18:31:46 UTC

Post by Ophelia
I just read elsewhere that Carswell blocked a knighthood for Farage!!!

He said he didn't on question time last night.

Ophelia

2017-02-24 21:32:36 UTC

Post by Ophelia
I just read elsewhere that Carswell blocked a knighthood for Farage!!!

He said he didn't on question time last night.

=====

Aye, he's been saying a lot of things:(

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/771504/Nigel-Farage-given-knighthood-delivering-Brexit-Isabel-Oakeshott-Question-Time-UKIP

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harry

2017-02-24 17:10:33 UTC

Post by The Todal
UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to
current politics.
Even before the referendum, Nigel Farage was incapable of winning an
election and he was always the main poster-boy. Now Nuttall has failed
to win in a vulnerable seat, Stoke, and in Copeland the UKIP votes were
less than for the LibDems.
All UKIP can ever do is take votes from the Tories and from Labour and
help one or other of them win a seat.
What is UKIP's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

All my life, until last June I have been more or less non-political,
probably having witnessed as a young man, very little changed in my
life, whichever of the two parties held power.
I admired Thatcher for most of her reign, except for a couple of issues,
the main one for me, the abandonment of the Poll Tax after a bunch of
thugs in Toxteth decided to rip the place apart and in came Heseltine
with his ridiculous Council Tax.
When Farage came on the scene, it was refreshing to watch his brash
style when addressing the European Parliament. It soon became apparent
to me, just how arrogant a bunch of bastards the European masters had
become and decided we need to be away from these people.
Immigration isn't a huge problem for me but I do insist, if people want
to enjoy our way of life, our system, all we have good to offer, then
they must show some idea they want to integrate with us, though I would
not want to see their own culture killed off to appease in total.
muslims parading *My* streets advocating beheading their infidel hosts
is anathema to me! I often cannot believe how the hell these savages
have been allowed to get away with these sequels. I'm constantly told
there are millions of moderate muslims in the country. I'm so confused,
I barely know what moderate means anymore.
UKIP as far as I see, has been Nigel Farage and whether one loves him or
hates him he is a *Brit*. He set a goal with extraordinary high posts
but managed in his way, to get the ball clean over the top. Whatever
the tales that lead up to it all, UKIP got us the Referendum to decide
if we wanted in or out of the EU. Cue Mrs May, the woman in charge of
the governing party in the UK, "Brexit, is Brexit".
Every day the Remainers insist they haven't lost yet, even putting up
barmy, silly players to tell us we all all mentally retarded wanting to
leave the EU.
I would say, next month, when the government invokes Article 50, it will
be a case for UKIP, 'Job Is Done' and a fucking well done job at that,
but time now to hang up the holsters and announce their dissolution.
They will of course keep their seats in the EU parliament for the next
two years then disband with the dignity, if history will write them, the
victors, over near impossible odds.
Maybe Farage will be honoured in some way later, perhaps when Europe has
fallen and can watch from their coracles wishing they had, had the balls
to break up, when we did.
omega
=====================
It'll be a long time before Farage is honoured. Gov totally sidelines him
and refuses to accept that without him there would have been no referendum
... or maybe that is the reason.

Very true.
He is a hero.

Ophelia

2017-02-24 18:11:07 UTC

Post by The Todal
UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to
current politics.
Even before the referendum, Nigel Farage was incapable of winning an
election and he was always the main poster-boy. Now Nuttall has failed
to win in a vulnerable seat, Stoke, and in Copeland the UKIP votes were
less than for the LibDems.
All UKIP can ever do is take votes from the Tories and from Labour and
help one or other of them win a seat.
What is UKIP's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

All my life, until last June I have been more or less non-political,
probably having witnessed as a young man, very little changed in my
life, whichever of the two parties held power.
I admired Thatcher for most of her reign, except for a couple of issues,
the main one for me, the abandonment of the Poll Tax after a bunch of
thugs in Toxteth decided to rip the place apart and in came Heseltine
with his ridiculous Council Tax.
When Farage came on the scene, it was refreshing to watch his brash
style when addressing the European Parliament. It soon became apparent
to me, just how arrogant a bunch of bastards the European masters had
become and decided we need to be away from these people.
Immigration isn't a huge problem for me but I do insist, if people want
to enjoy our way of life, our system, all we have good to offer, then
they must show some idea they want to integrate with us, though I would
not want to see their own culture killed off to appease in total.
muslims parading *My* streets advocating beheading their infidel hosts
is anathema to me! I often cannot believe how the hell these savages
have been allowed to get away with these sequels. I'm constantly told
there are millions of moderate muslims in the country. I'm so confused,
I barely know what moderate means anymore.
UKIP as far as I see, has been Nigel Farage and whether one loves him or
hates him he is a *Brit*. He set a goal with extraordinary high posts
but managed in his way, to get the ball clean over the top. Whatever
the tales that lead up to it all, UKIP got us the Referendum to decide
if we wanted in or out of the EU. Cue Mrs May, the woman in charge of
the governing party in the UK, "Brexit, is Brexit".
Every day the Remainers insist they haven't lost yet, even putting up
barmy, silly players to tell us we all all mentally retarded wanting to
leave the EU.
I would say, next month, when the government invokes Article 50, it will
be a case for UKIP, 'Job Is Done' and a fucking well done job at that,
but time now to hang up the holsters and announce their dissolution.
They will of course keep their seats in the EU parliament for the next
two years then disband with the dignity, if history will write them, the
victors, over near impossible odds.
Maybe Farage will be honoured in some way later, perhaps when Europe has
fallen and can watch from their coracles wishing they had, had the balls
to break up, when we did.
omega
=====================
It'll be a long time before Farage is honoured. Gov totally sidelines him
and refuses to accept that without him there would have been no referendum
... or maybe that is the reason.

Very true.
He is a hero.

=======

He was going to get a knighthood and Carswell blocked it!

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pullgees

2017-02-24 18:36:49 UTC

Post by harry

Post by The Todal
UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to
current politics.
Even before the referendum, Nigel Farage was incapable of winning an
election and he was always the main poster-boy. Now Nuttall has failed
to win in a vulnerable seat, Stoke, and in Copeland the UKIP votes were
less than for the LibDems.
All UKIP can ever do is take votes from the Tories and from Labour and
help one or other of them win a seat.
What is UKIP's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

All my life, until last June I have been more or less non-political,
probably having witnessed as a young man, very little changed in my
life, whichever of the two parties held power.
I admired Thatcher for most of her reign, except for a couple of issues,
the main one for me, the abandonment of the Poll Tax after a bunch of
thugs in Toxteth decided to rip the place apart and in came Heseltine
with his ridiculous Council Tax.
When Farage came on the scene, it was refreshing to watch his brash
style when addressing the European Parliament. It soon became apparent
to me, just how arrogant a bunch of bastards the European masters had
become and decided we need to be away from these people.
Immigration isn't a huge problem for me but I do insist, if people want
to enjoy our way of life, our system, all we have good to offer, then
they must show some idea they want to integrate with us, though I would
not want to see their own culture killed off to appease in total.
muslims parading *My* streets advocating beheading their infidel hosts
is anathema to me! I often cannot believe how the hell these savages
have been allowed to get away with these sequels. I'm constantly told
there are millions of moderate muslims in the country. I'm so confused,
I barely know what moderate means anymore.
UKIP as far as I see, has been Nigel Farage and whether one loves him or
hates him he is a *Brit*. He set a goal with extraordinary high posts
but managed in his way, to get the ball clean over the top. Whatever
the tales that lead up to it all, UKIP got us the Referendum to decide
if we wanted in or out of the EU. Cue Mrs May, the woman in charge of
the governing party in the UK, "Brexit, is Brexit".
Every day the Remainers insist they haven't lost yet, even putting up
barmy, silly players to tell us we all all mentally retarded wanting to
leave the EU.
I would say, next month, when the government invokes Article 50, it will
be a case for UKIP, 'Job Is Done' and a fucking well done job at that,
but time now to hang up the holsters and announce their dissolution.
They will of course keep their seats in the EU parliament for the next
two years then disband with the dignity, if history will write them, the
victors, over near impossible odds.
Maybe Farage will be honoured in some way later, perhaps when Europe has
fallen and can watch from their coracles wishing they had, had the balls
to break up, when we did.
omega
=====================
It'll be a long time before Farage is honoured. Gov totally sidelines him
and refuses to accept that without him there would have been no referendum
... or maybe that is the reason.

Very true.
He is a hero.
=======
He was going to get a knighthood and Carswell blocked it!
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Leading Ukip members just don't seem to get on with each other I'm afraid and sad to say that no one comes anywhere close to Nigel's communication skills, least of all Nuttall. If the Conservatives compromise on the final deal then Brexit voters will be left high and dry with Hobson's Choice and no one to represent them; this could be explosive.

Ophelia

2017-02-24 21:36:51 UTC

Post by harry

Post by The Todal
UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to
current politics.
Even before the referendum, Nigel Farage was incapable of winning an
election and he was always the main poster-boy. Now Nuttall has failed
to win in a vulnerable seat, Stoke, and in Copeland the UKIP votes were
less than for the LibDems.
All UKIP can ever do is take votes from the Tories and from Labour and
help one or other of them win a seat.
What is UKIP's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

All my life, until last June I have been more or less non-political,
probably having witnessed as a young man, very little changed in my
life, whichever of the two parties held power.
I admired Thatcher for most of her reign, except for a couple of issues,
the main one for me, the abandonment of the Poll Tax after a bunch of
thugs in Toxteth decided to rip the place apart and in came Heseltine
with his ridiculous Council Tax.
When Farage came on the scene, it was refreshing to watch his brash
style when addressing the European Parliament. It soon became apparent
to me, just how arrogant a bunch of bastards the European masters had
become and decided we need to be away from these people.
Immigration isn't a huge problem for me but I do insist, if people want
to enjoy our way of life, our system, all we have good to offer, then
they must show some idea they want to integrate with us, though I would
not want to see their own culture killed off to appease in total.
muslims parading *My* streets advocating beheading their infidel hosts
is anathema to me! I often cannot believe how the hell these savages
have been allowed to get away with these sequels. I'm constantly told
there are millions of moderate muslims in the country. I'm so confused,
I barely know what moderate means anymore.
UKIP as far as I see, has been Nigel Farage and whether one loves him or
hates him he is a *Brit*. He set a goal with extraordinary high posts
but managed in his way, to get the ball clean over the top. Whatever
the tales that lead up to it all, UKIP got us the Referendum to decide
if we wanted in or out of the EU. Cue Mrs May, the woman in charge of
the governing party in the UK, "Brexit, is Brexit".
Every day the Remainers insist they haven't lost yet, even putting up
barmy, silly players to tell us we all all mentally retarded wanting to
leave the EU.
I would say, next month, when the government invokes Article 50, it will
be a case for UKIP, 'Job Is Done' and a fucking well done job at that,
but time now to hang up the holsters and announce their dissolution.
They will of course keep their seats in the EU parliament for the next
two years then disband with the dignity, if history will write them, the
victors, over near impossible odds.
Maybe Farage will be honoured in some way later, perhaps when Europe has
fallen and can watch from their coracles wishing they had, had the balls
to break up, when we did.
omega
=====================
It'll be a long time before Farage is honoured. Gov totally sidelines him
and refuses to accept that without him there would have been no referendum
... or maybe that is the reason.

Very true.
He is a hero.
=======
He was going to get a knighthood and Carswell blocked it!
--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

Leading Ukip members just don't seem to get on with each other I'm afraid
and sad to say that no one comes anywhgere close to Nigel's communication
skills, least of all Nuttall. If the Conservatives compromise on the final
deal then Brexit voters will be left high and dry with Hobson's Choice and
no one to represent them; this could be explosive.

=====

I had heard (fingers crossed) that he was saying he might be back next year!
Although he always did say that if Brexit wasn't properly managed he
definitely would be back!

UKIP is useless without him:(

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

harry

2017-02-24 17:09:44 UTC

Post by The Todal
UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to
current politics.
Even before the referendum, Nigel Farage was incapable of winning an
election and he was always the main poster-boy. Now Nuttall has failed
to win in a vulnerable seat, Stoke, and in Copeland the UKIP votes were
less than for the LibDems.
All UKIP can ever do is take votes from the Tories and from Labour and
help one or other of them win a seat.
What is UKIP's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

All my life, until last June I have been more or less non-political,
probably having witnessed as a young man, very little changed in my
life, whichever of the two parties held power.
I admired Thatcher for most of her reign, except for a couple of issues,
the main one for me, the abandonment of the Poll Tax after a bunch of
thugs in Toxteth decided to rip the place apart and in came Heseltine
with his ridiculous Council Tax.
When Farage came on the scene, it was refreshing to watch his brash
style when addressing the European Parliament. It soon became apparent
to me, just how arrogant a bunch of bastards the European masters had
become and decided we need to be away from these people.
Immigration isn't a huge problem for me but I do insist, if people want
to enjoy our way of life, our system, all we have good to offer, then
they must show some idea they want to integrate with us, though I would
not want to see their own culture killed off to appease in total.
muslims parading *My* streets advocating beheading their infidel hosts
is anathema to me! I often cannot believe how the hell these savages
have been allowed to get away with these sequels. I'm constantly told
there are millions of moderate muslims in the country. I'm so confused,
I barely know what moderate means anymore.
UKIP as far as I see, has been Nigel Farage and whether one loves him or
hates him he is a *Brit*. He set a goal with extraordinary high posts
but managed in his way, to get the ball clean over the top. Whatever
the tales that lead up to it all, UKIP got us the Referendum to decide
if we wanted in or out of the EU. Cue Mrs May, the woman in charge of
the governing party in the UK, "Brexit, is Brexit".
Every day the Remainers insist they haven't lost yet, even putting up
barmy, silly players to tell us we all all mentally retarded wanting to
leave the EU.
I would say, next month, when the government invokes Article 50, it will
be a case for UKIP, 'Job Is Done' and a fucking well done job at that,
but time now to hang up the holsters and announce their dissolution.
They will of course keep their seats in the EU parliament for the next
two years then disband with the dignity, if history will write them, the
victors, over near impossible odds.
Maybe Farage will be honoured in some way later, perhaps when Europe has
fallen and can watch from their coracles wishing they had, had the balls
to break up, when we did.
omega

Well said.
Good post.

The Todal

2017-02-24 20:53:31 UTC

Post by Omega
I would say, next month, when the government invokes Article 50, it will
be a case for UKIP, 'Job Is Done' and a fucking well done job at that,
but time now to hang up the holsters and announce their dissolution.
They will of course keep their seats in the EU parliament for the next
two years then disband with the dignity, if history will write them, the
victors, over near impossible odds.

UKIP is, after all, a one-policy party. Nobody seriously expects UKIP to
provide policies on the whole range of issues that a British government
has to deal with. So I'm wondering why people still vote UKIP. Do they
expect a UKIP MP to be able to send home the migrants? Or is it just a
coded signal to Theresa May meaning "don't forget that we want Brexit"?

Post by Omega
Maybe Farage will be honoured in some way later, perhaps when Europe has
fallen and can watch from their coracles wishing they had, had the balls
to break up, when we did.

There really ought to be a statue in Parliament Square. And I would
suggest that the statue should be of Nigel Farage embracing General de
Gaulle, because it was de Gaulle who fought tirelessly to prevent
Britain ever joining the Common Market.

Handsome Jack

2017-02-25 11:21:16 UTC

UKIP is, after all, a one-policy party. Nobody seriously expects UKIP
to provide policies on the whole range of issues that a British
government has to deal with. So I'm wondering why people still vote
UKIP. Do they expect a UKIP MP to be able to send home the migrants? Or
is it just a coded signal to Theresa May meaning "don't forget that we
want Brexit"?

I think you have hit it on the head there. The only function of Farage's
UKIP was to get Britain out of the EU. The job is nearly done, but not
quite complete, and UKIP has to stay around until May puts the finishing
touches to Brexit.

That, probably, is why UKIP is unattractive to able politicians with a
long-term career ambition, and thus cannot find a competent successor to
Farage. Unless something drastic happens, it doesn't have a long-term
future as an independent party.

--
Jack

Ophelia

2017-02-25 11:31:02 UTC

UKIP is, after all, a one-policy party. Nobody seriously expects UKIP to
provide policies on the whole range of issues that a British government has
to deal with. So I'm wondering why people still vote UKIP. Do they expect
a UKIP MP to be able to send home the migrants? Or is it just a coded
signal to Theresa May meaning "don't forget that we want Brexit"?

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

Vidcapper

2017-02-25 07:30:40 UTC

Post by The Todal
UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to
current politics.
Even before the referendum, Nigel Farage was incapable of winning an
election and he was always the main poster-boy. Now Nuttall has failed
to win in a vulnerable seat, Stoke, and in Copeland the UKIP votes were
less than for the LibDems.
All UKIP can ever do is take votes from the Tories and from Labour and
help one or other of them win a seat.
What is UKIP's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

The Poll Tax was abandoned due to the Tories suffering heavy defeats in
the 1990 local elections, combined with massive resistance to paying it,
which made it untenable. Clearly the Tories had forgotten the lessons of
the Peasants Revolt of 1381.

--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

Yellow

2017-02-26 02:59:52 UTC

In article <EoasA.321653$***@fx10.am4>, ***@yahoo.co.uk
says...

Post by Vidcapper
The Poll Tax was abandoned due to the Tories suffering heavy defeats in
the 1990 local elections, combined with massive resistance to paying it,
which made it untenable. Clearly the Tories had forgotten the lessons of
the Peasants Revolt of 1381.

I appreciate that there is a principle behind local taxation but I would
much prefer we did not have it and all taxation was through government
but that aside, I liked the poll tax.

I lived alone in a pokey 1 bed flat and I can still remember that my
rates were £440 for the final year before we changed to the poll tax,
which was twice what my best friend was paying for his family of 4 in a
house.

If I remember correctly, my first poll tax bill was half what I was
paying before.

But this upset a lot a people because they had to pay at all, and my
friend and his family were suddenly being asked to pay twice what a
single person was being asked for.

So we got council tax. You pay based on how much your house is worth -
just how stupid is that?

I live alone so have to pay 50% more than each adult pays next door. And
the more adults in the house, the less each has to pay. How is that
fair? Where are the riots?

Oh of course, you only riot if you are being asked to pay your fair
share.

Vidcapper

2017-02-26 07:38:38 UTC

Post by Yellow
says...

I appreciate that there is a principle behind local taxation but I would
much prefer we did not have it and all taxation was through government
but that aside, I liked the poll tax.
I lived alone in a pokey 1 bed flat and I can still remember that my
rates were £440 for the final year before we changed to the poll tax,
which was twice what my best friend was paying for his family of 4 in a
house.
If I remember correctly, my first poll tax bill was half what I was
paying before.
But this upset a lot a people because they had to pay at all, and my
friend and his family were suddenly being asked to pay twice what a
single person was being asked for.
So we got council tax. You pay based on how much your house is worth -
just how stupid is that?
I live alone so have to pay 50% more than each adult pays next door.

The is a 25% discount available if you live alone.

--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

Yellow

2017-02-26 19:43:32 UTC

In article <7CvsA.236732$***@fx41.am4>, ***@yahoo.co.uk
says...

Post by Yellow
says...

I appreciate that there is a principle behind local taxation but I would
much prefer we did not have it and all taxation was through government
but that aside, I liked the poll tax.
I lived alone in a pokey 1 bed flat and I can still remember that my
rates were £440 for the final year before we changed to the poll tax,
which was twice what my best friend was paying for his family of 4 in a
house.
If I remember correctly, my first poll tax bill was half what I was
paying before.
But this upset a lot a people because they had to pay at all, and my
friend and his family were suddenly being asked to pay twice what a
single person was being asked for.
So we got council tax. You pay based on how much your house is worth -
just how stupid is that?
I live alone so have to pay 50% more than each adult pays next door.

The is a 25% discount available if you live alone.

Which I claim.

The point is, for every £75 my household pays, a two adult household
pays £50 per head while a four adult household only has to pay £25 per
head.

2017-02-27 08:14:37 UTC

Post by Yellow
says...

Post by Yellow
says...

I appreciate that there is a principle behind local taxation but I would
much prefer we did not have it and all taxation was through government
but that aside, I liked the poll tax.
I lived alone in a pokey 1 bed flat and I can still remember that my
rates were £440 for the final year before we changed to the poll tax,
which was twice what my best friend was paying for his family of 4 in a
house.
If I remember correctly, my first poll tax bill was half what I was
paying before.
But this upset a lot a people because they had to pay at all, and my
friend and his family were suddenly being asked to pay twice what a
single person was being asked for.
So we got council tax. You pay based on how much your house is worth -
just how stupid is that?
I live alone so have to pay 50% more than each adult pays next door.

The is a 25% discount available if you live alone.

Which I claim.
The point is, for every £75 my household pays, a two adult household
pays £50 per head while a four adult household only has to pay £25 per
head.

Flat-sharing? Relocate? I relocated simply because it's a darned sight
cheaper to live in rural Lincolnshire than in suburban Bucks.

MM

Yellow

2017-02-27 16:38:30 UTC

Post by Yellow

Post by Yellow
So we got council tax. You pay based on how much your house is worth -
just how stupid is that?
I live alone so have to pay 50% more than each adult pays next door.

The is a 25% discount available if you live alone.

Which I claim.
The point is, for every £75 my household pays, a two adult household
pays £50 per head while a four adult household only has to pay £25 per
head.

Flat-sharing? Relocate? I relocated simply because it's a darned sight
cheaper to live in rural Lincolnshire than in suburban Bucks.

Whatever part of the country you choose to live in, the proportion each
adult in the household pays is the same.

2017-02-28 11:24:48 UTC

Post by Yellow
So we got council tax. You pay based on how much your house is worth -
just how stupid is that?
I live alone so have to pay 50% more than each adult pays next door.

The is a 25% discount available if you live alone.

Which I claim.
The point is, for every £75 my household pays, a two adult household
pays £50 per head while a four adult household only has to pay £25 per
head.

Flat-sharing? Relocate? I relocated simply because it's a darned sight
cheaper to live in rural Lincolnshire than in suburban Bucks.

Whatever part of the country you choose to live in, the proportion each
adult in the household pays is the same.

But I pay far less than I would in Bucks.

MM

Vidcapper

2017-02-28 15:57:01 UTC

Post by Yellow
So we got council tax. You pay based on how much your house is worth -
just how stupid is that?
I live alone so have to pay 50% more than each adult pays next door.

The is a 25% discount available if you live alone.

Which I claim.
The point is, for every £75 my household pays, a two adult household
pays £50 per head while a four adult household only has to pay £25 per
head.

Flat-sharing? Relocate? I relocated simply because it's a darned sight
cheaper to live in rural Lincolnshire than in suburban Bucks.

Whatever part of the country you choose to live in, the proportion each
adult in the household pays is the same.

But I pay far less than I would in Bucks.

But here you are talking in absolute terms, rather than proportionate.

--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

2017-03-01 08:45:19 UTC

Post by Yellow
So we got council tax. You pay based on how much your house is worth -
just how stupid is that?
I live alone so have to pay 50% more than each adult pays next door.

The is a 25% discount available if you live alone.

Which I claim.
The point is, for every £75 my household pays, a two adult household
pays £50 per head while a four adult household only has to pay £25 per
head.

Flat-sharing? Relocate? I relocated simply because it's a darned sight
cheaper to live in rural Lincolnshire than in suburban Bucks.

Whatever part of the country you choose to live in, the proportion each
adult in the household pays is the same.

But I pay far less than I would in Bucks.

But here you are talking in absolute terms, rather than proportionate.

Proportionately, family members would also pay less than in Bucks.

MM

Yellow

2017-02-28 16:44:52 UTC

Post by Yellow
So we got council tax. You pay based on how much your house is worth -
just how stupid is that?
I live alone so have to pay 50% more than each adult pays next door.

The is a 25% discount available if you live alone.

Which I claim.
The point is, for every £75 my household pays, a two adult household
pays £50 per head while a four adult household only has to pay £25 per
head.

Flat-sharing? Relocate? I relocated simply because it's a darned sight
cheaper to live in rural Lincolnshire than in suburban Bucks.

Whatever part of the country you choose to live in, the proportion each
adult in the household pays is the same.

But I pay far less than I would in Bucks.

So what?

2017-03-01 08:46:17 UTC

Post by Yellow
So we got council tax. You pay based on how much your house is worth -
just how stupid is that?
I live alone so have to pay 50% more than each adult pays next door.

The is a 25% discount available if you live alone.

Which I claim.
The point is, for every £75 my household pays, a two adult household
pays £50 per head while a four adult household only has to pay £25 per
head.

Flat-sharing? Relocate? I relocated simply because it's a darned sight
cheaper to live in rural Lincolnshire than in suburban Bucks.

Whatever part of the country you choose to live in, the proportion each
adult in the household pays is the same.

But I pay far less than I would in Bucks.

So what?

You could, too, instead of whingeing here about how unfair it all is.

MM

Vidcapper

2017-02-27 08:50:46 UTC

Post by Yellow
says...

Post by Yellow
I live alone so have to pay 50% more than each adult pays next door.

The is a 25% discount available if you live alone.

Which I claim.
The point is, for every £75 my household pays, a two adult household
pays £50 per head while a four adult household only has to pay £25 per
head.

But you surely live in a smaller property than a household of 4 adults,
therefore you should be in a lower council tax band.

--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

Yellow

2017-02-27 16:47:51 UTC

In article <MLRsA.308582$***@fx39.am4>, ***@yahoo.co.uk
says...

Post by Yellow
says...

Post by Yellow
I live alone so have to pay 50% more than each adult pays next door.

The is a 25% discount available if you live alone.

Which I claim.
The point is, for every £75 my household pays, a two adult household
pays £50 per head while a four adult household only has to pay £25 per
head.

But you surely live in a smaller property than a household of 4 adults,
therefore you should be in a lower council tax band.

I am talking about the proportion each adult has to pay. So my
neighbours one side have two adults in the house while the house the
otherwise, with a room in roof but the same council tax band, have three
adults.

So for every £75 I have to pay on my single income, my neighbours one
side have to pay £50 each on their double income and the other side,
only £33 each on their three incomes.

How is that fair?

But all that aside, I fail to see what difference it should make how big
my home is. It is people who use council services, not houses, and the
more people the more they consume.

R. Mark Clayton

2017-02-26 12:05:49 UTC

Post by Yellow
says...

On a personal level ditto - I was paying more in rates for my flat (even after a valuation appeal) than I am in council tax now or a larger [council] house a few hundred metres away were paying in rent and rates.

Post by Yellow
If I remember correctly, my first poll tax bill was half what I was
paying before.

A quarter in my case, although by then my partner had moved in and she got one too.

Post by Yellow
But this upset a lot a people because they had to pay at all, and my
friend and his family were suddenly being asked to pay twice what a
single person was being asked for.
So we got council tax. You pay based on how much your house is worth -
just how stupid is that?

Seems reasonable to me.

Post by Yellow
I live alone so have to pay 50% more than each adult pays next door. And
the more adults in the house, the less each has to pay. How is that
fair? Where are the riots?

Well some of the cost of the council of dealing with you relates to the person, but others relate to the property - they are still going to empty your bin, light and sweep the street outside whether there are one or two of you in the house.

Post by Yellow
Oh of course, you only riot if you are being asked to pay your fair
share.

2017-02-26 17:57:20 UTC

Post by Yellow
says...

I appreciate that there is a principle behind local taxation but I would
much prefer we did not have it and all taxation was through government
but that aside, I liked the poll tax.
I lived alone in a pokey 1 bed flat and I can still remember that my
rates were £440 for the final year before we changed to the poll tax,
which was twice what my best friend was paying for his family of 4 in a
house.
If I remember correctly, my first poll tax bill was half what I was
paying before.
But this upset a lot a people because they had to pay at all, and my
friend and his family were suddenly being asked to pay twice what a
single person was being asked for.
So we got council tax. You pay based on how much your house is worth -
just how stupid is that?
I live alone so have to pay 50% more than each adult pays next door. And
the more adults in the house, the less each has to pay. How is that
fair? Where are the riots?
Oh of course, you only riot if you are being asked to pay your fair
share.

I seem to recall it was riots that stopped the Poll Tax dead in its
tracks.

MM

Vidcapper

2017-02-27 08:58:18 UTC

Post by Yellow
Oh of course, you only riot if you are being asked to pay your fair
share.

I seem to recall it was riots that stopped the Poll Tax dead in its
tracks.

Then you recall incorrectly.

It's basic common sense - no government can back down in the face of
riots *alone*, as that would just encourage further civil disobedience.
It was the high levels of refusal to pay that undermined it, and the
final straw was the mass defeat of Tories in the 1990 local council
elections that got the conservatives shit-scared!

--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

2017-02-28 11:28:54 UTC

Post by Yellow
Oh of course, you only riot if you are being asked to pay your fair
share.

I seem to recall it was riots that stopped the Poll Tax dead in its
tracks.

Then you recall incorrectly.
It's basic common sense - no government can back down in the face of
riots *alone*, as that would just encourage further civil disobedience.
It was the high levels of refusal to pay that undermined it, and the
final straw was the mass defeat of Tories in the 1990 local council
elections that got the conservatives shit-scared!

No, I do recall correctly:

"The riot in central London did much to contribute to the downfall of
Margaret Thatcher, who resigned as Prime Minister on 28 November the
same year. The national opposition to the poll tax (especially
vehement in the North of England and Scotland) was the major factor;
an opinion poll had found 78% opposed to it. John Major, who succeeded
Thatcher, announced that the tax would be abolished."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_Tax_riots

MM

burfordTjustice

2017-02-24 13:26:32 UTC

On Fri, 24 Feb 2017 10:47:40 +0000

Post by The Todal
UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to
current politics.

That is merely your opinion.

The Todal

2017-02-24 20:20:46 UTC

Post by burfordTjustice
On Fri, 24 Feb 2017 10:47:40 +0000

Post by The Todal
UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to
current politics.

That is merely your opinion.

I'm keen to hear yours. Welcome to phone-in. You're on the air.

Let It Be

2017-02-24 23:45:18 UTC

===================================================

"What is UKIP's purpose anyway?"

Its purpose is simply that of lies, fake news and scare factory - carried
out by the followers of a dogma that was rife in political party and its
leader of another European country between 1919 and 1945.

All good fun if it wasn't so serious - especially if post Brexit resurrects
a political party and leader similar to that of the British Union of
Fascists, lead by Oswald Mosley between 1932 and 1940.

tim...

2017-02-25 11:14:34 UTC

Post by Let It Be

===================================================
"What is UKIP's purpose anyway?"
Its purpose is simply that of lies, fake news and scare factory -

and you don't think that the other parties don't do the same thing

I was gob-smacked this week when I heard a Labour MP ranting on about how 6
years of Tory rule had *ruined* the economy

Um, sorry, you don't think perhaps it might just have been more that a
little a bit ruined before they got in?

(even if we accept that it wasn't your fault)

tim

Vidcapper

2017-02-25 07:22:12 UTC

Post by The Todal
UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to
current politics.
Even before the referendum, Nigel Farage was incapable of winning an
election and he was always the main poster-boy. Now Nuttall has failed
to win in a vulnerable seat, Stoke, and in Copeland the UKIP votes were
less than for the LibDems.
All UKIP can ever do is take votes from the Tories and from Labour and
help one or other of them win a seat.
What is UKIP's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

You don't need to win elections to have influence - there's no better
proof of that than June 23rd 2016!

And as for relevance, they will remain relevant until Brexit is
officially completed.

--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

Norman Wells

2017-02-25 09:10:52 UTC

Post by The Todal
UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to
current politics.
Even before the referendum, Nigel Farage was incapable of winning an
election and he was always the main poster-boy. Now Nuttall has failed
to win in a vulnerable seat, Stoke, and in Copeland the UKIP votes were
less than for the LibDems.
All UKIP can ever do is take votes from the Tories and from Labour and
help one or other of them win a seat.
What is UKIP's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

You don't need to win elections to have influence - there's no better proof of
that than June 23rd 2016!
And as for relevance, they will remain relevant until Brexit is officially
completed.

And well beyond if they evolve and just change their focus a bit.

The real question, I think, is whether Labour should now disband. It's 'sliding
towards irrelevance' and 'further from power than it's been for 50 years' according
to David Miliband yesterday.

All it can ever do is take votes from UKIP and the Tories and help one or other of
them win a seat.

What is Labour's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant economists who
can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have nothing to offer.

The Todal

2017-02-25 10:34:18 UTC

Post by The Todal
UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to
current politics.
Even before the referendum, Nigel Farage was incapable of winning an
election and he was always the main poster-boy. Now Nuttall has failed
to win in a vulnerable seat, Stoke, and in Copeland the UKIP votes were
less than for the LibDems.
All UKIP can ever do is take votes from the Tories and from Labour and
help one or other of them win a seat.
What is UKIP's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

You don't need to win elections to have influence - there's no better
proof of that than June 23rd 2016!
And as for relevance, they will remain relevant until Brexit is
officially completed.

And well beyond if they evolve and just change their focus a bit.
The real question, I think, is whether Labour should now disband. It's
'sliding towards irrelevance' and 'further from power than it's been for
50 years' according to David Miliband yesterday.
All it can ever do is take votes from UKIP and the Tories and help one
or other of them win a seat.
What is Labour's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

Valid points, but Labour still has many MPs, many of them with
experience of ministerial office, and lots of majorities on local
councils throughout the land.

How many UKIP MPs are there? I think it's still just one.

Still, perhaps your message to the Kippers is: go back to your
constituencies and prepare for government!

tim...

2017-02-25 11:21:05 UTC

Post by The Todal
UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to
current politics.
Even before the referendum, Nigel Farage was incapable of winning an
election and he was always the main poster-boy. Now Nuttall has failed
to win in a vulnerable seat, Stoke, and in Copeland the UKIP votes were
less than for the LibDems.
All UKIP can ever do is take votes from the Tories and from Labour and
help one or other of them win a seat.
What is UKIP's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

You don't need to win elections to have influence - there's no better
proof of that than June 23rd 2016!
And as for relevance, they will remain relevant until Brexit is
officially completed.

And well beyond if they evolve and just change their focus a bit.
The real question, I think, is whether Labour should now disband. It's
'sliding towards irrelevance' and 'further from power than it's been for
50 years' according to David Miliband yesterday.
All it can ever do is take votes from UKIP and the Tories and help one
or other of them win a seat.
What is Labour's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

Valid points, but Labour still has many MPs, many of them with experience
of ministerial office, and lots of majorities on local councils throughout
the land.
How many UKIP MPs are there? I think it's still just one.
Still, perhaps your message to the Kippers is: go back to your
constituencies and prepare for government!

The problem with most senior Kippers is that they don't appear to be
interested in "government", they are just a bunch of individuals each solely
interested in achieving "office" for their own satisfaction.

you only have to look at the mess they create where they have achieved some
position of elected influence, to see that

tim

Norman Wells

2017-02-25 12:45:53 UTC

Post by The Todal
UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to
current politics.
Even before the referendum, Nigel Farage was incapable of winning an
election and he was always the main poster-boy. Now Nuttall has failed
to win in a vulnerable seat, Stoke, and in Copeland the UKIP votes were
less than for the LibDems.
All UKIP can ever do is take votes from the Tories and from Labour and
help one or other of them win a seat.
What is UKIP's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

You don't need to win elections to have influence - there's no better
proof of that than June 23rd 2016!
And as for relevance, they will remain relevant until Brexit is
officially completed.

And well beyond if they evolve and just change their focus a bit.
The real question, I think, is whether Labour should now disband. It's
'sliding towards irrelevance' and 'further from power than it's been for
50 years' according to David Miliband yesterday.
All it can ever do is take votes from UKIP and the Tories and help one
or other of them win a seat.
What is Labour's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

Valid points, but Labour still has many MPs, many of them with experience of
ministerial office, and lots of majorities on local councils throughout the land.

Not for long, I suspect.

How many UKIP MPs are there? I think it's still just one.
Still, perhaps your message to the Kippers is: go back to your constituencies and
prepare for government!

I don't presume to have any message for them.

What would be the point?

Ophelia

2017-02-25 11:28:25 UTC

Post by The Todal
UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to
current politics.
Even before the referendum, Nigel Farage was incapable of winning an
election and he was always the main poster-boy. Now Nuttall has failed
to win in a vulnerable seat, Stoke, and in Copeland the UKIP votes were
less than for the LibDems.
All UKIP can ever do is take votes from the Tories and from Labour and
help one or other of them win a seat.
What is UKIP's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

You don't need to win elections to have influence - there's no better
proof of that than June 23rd 2016!

And as for relevance, they will remain relevant until Brexit is
officially completed.

Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

====

Yes indeed!

Let us not forget South Thanet where the tories cheated? Last I heard there
were still investigations going in.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

R. Mark Clayton

2017-02-25 20:03:39 UTC

Post by The Todal
UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to
current politics.
Even before the referendum, Nigel Farage was incapable of winning an
election and he was always the main poster-boy. Now Nuttall has failed
to win in a vulnerable seat, Stoke, and in Copeland the UKIP votes were
less than for the LibDems.
All UKIP can ever do is take votes from the Tories and from Labour and
help one or other of them win a seat.
What is UKIP's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

You don't need to win elections to have influence - there's no better
proof of that than June 23rd 2016!
And as for relevance, they will remain relevant until Brexit is
officially completed.
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
====
Yes indeed!
Let us not forget South Thanet where the tories cheated? Last I heard there
were still investigations going in.

Was that the alleged misuse of a battle bus?

https://order-order.com/2016/05/16/labour-battle-bus-not-declared-in-local-spending/

Tower Hamlets, Brum, Oldham, Edstone - the list of Labour election sins is very long

Yellow

2017-02-26 02:45:21 UTC

In article <HgasA.272713$***@fx39.am4>, ***@yahoo.co.uk
says...

Post by The Todal
UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to
current politics.
Even before the referendum, Nigel Farage was incapable of winning an
election and he was always the main poster-boy. Now Nuttall has failed
to win in a vulnerable seat, Stoke, and in Copeland the UKIP votes were
less than for the LibDems.
All UKIP can ever do is take votes from the Tories and from Labour and
help one or other of them win a seat.
What is UKIP's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

You don't need to win elections to have influence - there's no better
proof of that than June 23rd 2016!
And as for relevance, they will remain relevant until Brexit is
officially completed.

I agree, UKIP will be relevant for at least the next 2 years.

And while it was clear that Nuttall is his own worst enemy and left so
many open goals it just beggared belief, the way he was attacked and the
way those attacks were reported proves that both the Labour party and
the media think UKIP are still relevant too.

But for now, few who have a Tory or a Labour MP who is supporting their
leave position in Parliament is going to vote UKIP but if that changes
it will also change for UKIP.

Ophelia

2017-02-26 11:44:50 UTC

"Yellow" wrote in message news:***@News.Individual.NET...

In article <HgasA.272713$***@fx39.am4>, ***@yahoo.co.uk
says...

Post by The Todal
UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to
current politics.
Even before the referendum, Nigel Farage was incapable of winning an
election and he was always the main poster-boy. Now Nuttall has failed
to win in a vulnerable seat, Stoke, and in Copeland the UKIP votes were
less than for the LibDems.
All UKIP can ever do is take votes from the Tories and from Labour and
help one or other of them win a seat.
What is UKIP's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

You don't need to win elections to have influence - there's no better
proof of that than June 23rd 2016!
And as for relevance, they will remain relevant until Brexit is
officially completed.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

2017-02-26 17:59:40 UTC

Post by Yellow
says...

Post by The Todal
UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to
current politics.
Even before the referendum, Nigel Farage was incapable of winning an
election and he was always the main poster-boy. Now Nuttall has failed
to win in a vulnerable seat, Stoke, and in Copeland the UKIP votes were
less than for the LibDems.
All UKIP can ever do is take votes from the Tories and from Labour and
help one or other of them win a seat.
What is UKIP's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

You don't need to win elections to have influence - there's no better
proof of that than June 23rd 2016!
And as for relevance, they will remain relevant until Brexit is
officially completed.

Surely he was attacked by the media and others simply because of those
open goals? Who has he got to blame other than himself?

Post by Yellow
But for now, few who have a Tory or a Labour MP who is supporting their
leave position in Parliament is going to vote UKIP but if that changes
it will also change for UKIP.

UKIP is worse than a dead duck. At least you can eat a dead duck.

MM

Yellow

2017-02-26 19:46:02 UTC

Post by Yellow
says...

Post by The Todal
UKIP has proved in two by-elections that it is no longer relevant to
current politics.
Even before the referendum, Nigel Farage was incapable of winning an
election and he was always the main poster-boy. Now Nuttall has failed
to win in a vulnerable seat, Stoke, and in Copeland the UKIP votes were
less than for the LibDems.
All UKIP can ever do is take votes from the Tories and from Labour and
help one or other of them win a seat.
What is UKIP's purpose anyway? They don't have a team of brilliant
economists who can advise on the best terms for Brexit. They have
nothing to offer.

You don't need to win elections to have influence - there's no better
proof of that than June 23rd 2016!
And as for relevance, they will remain relevant until Brexit is
officially completed.

Surely he was attacked by the media and others simply because of those
open goals? Who has he got to blame other than himself?

I was not apportioning blame, simply highlighting the level of interest.

Post by Yellow
But for now, few who have a Tory or a Labour MP who is supporting their
leave position in Parliament is going to vote UKIP but if that changes
it will also change for UKIP.

UKIP is worse than a dead duck. At least you can eat a dead duck.
MM

2017-02-27 08:15:56 UTC

Post by Yellow

Post by Yellow
says...