Megan & Harry

[Btms]

Though no doubt the revision of episodes around the nuptials took place
soon after the engagement, I wonder how Ambridge will recognise it.
Something reflective of the kind, caring but lose cannon of the 5th in line
to this dreadful inheritance, I hope. Republicans need not respond as no
doubt they would prefer to ignore it all. However, I am asking about what
we think Ambridge has prepped; not what our preference is.

[[e-mail] Tony Smith Prestbury]

Post by Btms
Though no doubt the revision of episodes around the nuptials took place
soon after the engagement, I wonder how Ambridge will recognise it.
Something reflective of the kind, caring but lose cannon of the 5th in line
to this dreadful inheritance, I hope. Republicans need not respond as no
doubt they would prefer to ignore it all. However, I am asking about what
we think Ambridge has prepped; not what our preference is.

(6th in line since Prince Louis's arrival.)

But maybe the bell ringers could ring a peal

[[e-mail] Tony Smith Prestbury]

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury
But maybe the bell ringers could ring a peal

Come to think of it, it seems a while since the bells were mentioned. I suppose they are still ringable?

[vk]

Post by Btms
Though no doubt the revision of episodes around the nuptials took place
soon after the engagement, I wonder how Ambridge will recognise it.
Something reflective of the kind, caring but lose cannon of the 5th in line
to this dreadful inheritance, I hope. Republicans need not respond as no
doubt they would prefer to ignore it all. However, I am asking about what
we think Ambridge has prepped; not what our preference is.

Speaking as a Republican I would like to point out that her name is
Meghan ;)

[Btms]

Post by vk

Post by Btms
Though no doubt the revision of episodes around the nuptials took place
soon after the engagement, I wonder how Ambridge will recognise it.
Something reflective of the kind, caring but lose cannon of the 5th in line
to this dreadful inheritance, I hope. Republicans need not respond as no
doubt they would prefer to ignore it all. However, I am asking about what
we think Ambridge has prepped; not what our preference is.

Speaking as a Republican I would like to point out that her name is
Meghan ;)

I’ve no idea what she’s called; sounds like you know/have read more of it
than me. Just interested in TA’s highly planned TI😊

[vk]

Post by Btms

Post by vk

Post by Btms
Though no doubt the revision of episodes around the nuptials took place
soon after the engagement, I wonder how Ambridge will recognise it.
Something reflective of the kind, caring but lose cannon of the 5th in line
to this dreadful inheritance, I hope. Republicans need not respond as no
doubt they would prefer to ignore it all. However, I am asking about what
we think Ambridge has prepped; not what our preference is.

Speaking as a Republican I would like to point out that her name is
Meghan ;)

I’ve no idea what she’s called; sounds like you know/have read more of it
than me. Just interested in TA’s highly planned TI😊

Not really. I was merely pointing out the correct spelling of her name:)

[Nick Odell]

Post by Btms

Post by vk

Post by Btms
Though no doubt the revision of episodes around the nuptials took place
soon after the engagement, I wonder how Ambridge will recognise it.
Something reflective of the kind, caring but lose cannon of the 5th in line
to this dreadful inheritance, I hope. Republicans need not respond as no
doubt they would prefer to ignore it all. However, I am asking about what
we think Ambridge has prepped; not what our preference is.

Speaking as a Republican I would like to point out that her name is
Meghan ;)

I’ve no idea what she’s called; sounds like you know/have read more of it
than me. Just interested in TA’s highly planned TI😊

Shold we still call it a Topical Insert, then? Wouldn't Item Which Was
Known About For Months, Carefully Scripted And Rehearsed And Recorded At
A Regular Recording Session be more appropriate? Though whilst
IWWKAFMCSARARAARRS might make an interesting addition to UMRA's
Abbreviation and Acronym section I'll concede that TI slips mre easily
off the tongue.

Nick

[Mike]

Post by Nick Odell

Post by Btms

Post by vk

Post by Btms
Though no doubt the revision of episodes around the nuptials took place
soon after the engagement, I wonder how Ambridge will recognise it.
Something reflective of the kind, caring but lose cannon of the 5th in line
to this dreadful inheritance, I hope. Republicans need not respond as no
doubt they would prefer to ignore it all. However, I am asking about what
we think Ambridge has prepped; not what our preference is.

Speaking as a Republican I would like to point out that her name is
Meghan ;)

I’ve no idea what she’s called; sounds like you know/have read more of it
than me. Just interested in TA’s highly planned TI😊

Shold we still call it a Topical Insert, then? Wouldn't Item Which Was
Known About For Months, Carefully Scripted And Rehearsed And Recorded At
A Regular Recording Session be more appropriate? Though whilst
IWWKAFMCSARARAARRS might make an interesting addition to UMRA's
Abbreviation and Acronym section I'll concede that TI slips mre easily
off the tongue.
Nick

Especially when it doesn’t refer to Texas Instruments.

[Nick Odell]

Post by Mike

Post by Nick Odell

Post by Btms

Post by vk

Post by Btms
Though no doubt the revision of episodes around the nuptials took place
soon after the engagement, I wonder how Ambridge will recognise it.
Something reflective of the kind, caring but lose cannon of the 5th in line
to this dreadful inheritance, I hope. Republicans need not respond as no
doubt they would prefer to ignore it all. However, I am asking about what
we think Ambridge has prepped; not what our preference is.

Speaking as a Republican I would like to point out that her name is
Meghan ;)

I’ve no idea what she’s called; sounds like you know/have read more of it
than me. Just interested in TA’s highly planned TI😊

Shold we still call it a Topical Insert, then? Wouldn't Item Which Was
Known About For Months, Carefully Scripted And Rehearsed And Recorded At
A Regular Recording Session be more appropriate? Though whilst
IWWKAFMCSARARAARRS might make an interesting addition to UMRA's
Abbreviation and Acronym section I'll concede that TI slips mre easily
off the tongue.
Nick

Especially when it doesn’t refer to Texas Instruments.

Or, in the Brritski context, Tube Investments, I think.

Nick

[BrritSki]

Post by Nick Odell

Post by Mike

Post by Nick Odell

Post by Btms

Post by vk

Post by Btms
Though no doubt the revision of episodes around the nuptials took place
soon after the engagement, I wonder how Ambridge will recognise it.
Something reflective of the kind, caring but lose cannon of the 5th in line
to this dreadful inheritance, I hope.  Republicans need not
respond as no
doubt they would prefer to ignore it all.  However, I am asking
about what
we think Ambridge has prepped; not what our preference is.

Speaking as a Republican I would like to point out that her name is
Meghan ;)

I’ve no idea what she’s called; sounds like you know/have read more of it
than me.  Just interested in TA’s highly planned TI😊

Shold we still call it a Topical Insert, then? Wouldn't Item Which Was
Known About For Months, Carefully Scripted And Rehearsed And Recorded At
A Regular Recording Session be more appropriate? Though whilst
IWWKAFMCSARARAARRS might make an interesting addition to UMRA's
Abbreviation and Acronym section I'll concede that TI slips mre easily
off the tongue.
Nick

Especially when it doesn’t refer to Texas Instruments.

Or, in the Brritski context, Tube Investments, I think.

No, my context was Texas Instruments....

[Nick Odell]

Post by BrritSki

Post by Nick Odell

Post by Mike

Post by Nick Odell

Post by Btms

Post by vk

Post by Btms
Though no doubt the revision of episodes around the nuptials took place
soon after the engagement, I wonder how Ambridge will recognise it.
Something reflective of the kind, caring but lose cannon of the 5th in line
to this dreadful inheritance, I hope.  Republicans need not
respond as no
doubt they would prefer to ignore it all.  However, I am asking
about what
we think Ambridge has prepped; not what our preference is.

Speaking as a Republican I would like to point out that her name is
Meghan ;)

I’ve no idea what she’s called; sounds like you know/have read more of it
than me.  Just interested in TA’s highly planned TI😊

Shold we still call it a Topical Insert, then? Wouldn't Item Which Was
Known About For Months, Carefully Scripted And Rehearsed And Recorded At
A Regular Recording Session be more appropriate? Though whilst
IWWKAFMCSARARAARRS might make an interesting addition to UMRA's
Abbreviation and Acronym section I'll concede that TI slips mre easily
off the tongue.
Nick

Especially when it doesn’t refer to Texas Instruments.

Or, in the Brritski context, Tube Investments, I think.

No, my context was Texas Instruments....

My apologies. I remembered Bedford and automatically thought Tube
Investments[1]. But given my memory these days[2] I might not even have
remembered Bedford.

Nick
[1]My dad was involved with Le Bas Tube Co, back in the days when it was
still called Le Bas Tube Co and still made tubes.
[2]Met an old bloke in town today and got talking about Ballarat - as
one does. Only neither of us could remember that the place was called
Ballarat. Oh well....

[Sid Nuncius]

<TI>

Post by Nick Odell

Post by BrritSki

Post by Nick Odell
Or, in the Brritski context, Tube Investments, I think.

No, my context was Texas Instruments....

My apologies. I remembered Bedford and automatically thought Tube
Investments[1]. But given my memory these days[2] I might not even have
remembered Bedford.

Oooh, sir, me, sir! I worked for Tube Investments for six months in
1973 before I went to university. I had an office job at Raleigh Cycles
in Nottingham, who were part of TI at that time. (The entire factory is
gone now and the University has expanded onto the site, I understand.)

It was a boodly boring job and not that well paid, but I'm really glad
to have done it. It was a very important part of the education of a boy
from a (by then) comfortable academic family, as was the holiday job I
had on the factory floor a year later at Player's old cigarette factory
in Radford. (£20 pw - unheard-of wealth! - plus 40 bonus Player's No.
6, which this non-smoker could swap for a couple of pints with friends
at the Nottingham Traditional Music Club on a Friday evening. An
arrangement which made everyone happy.)

Er...that's it. Sorry - I doubt anyone is at all interested in my
senile ramblings.

[Penny]

On Sun, 13 May 2018 07:34:28 +0100, Sid Nuncius

Post by Sid Nuncius
Oooh, sir, me, sir! I worked for Tube Investments for six months in
1973 before I went to university. I had an office job at Raleigh Cycles
in Nottingham, who were part of TI at that time. (The entire factory is
gone now and the University has expanded onto the site, I understand.)
It was a boodly boring job and not that well paid, but I'm really glad
to have done it. It was a very important part of the education of a boy
from a (by then) comfortable academic family,

Indeed. I was surprised to learn, in a rare conversation with my father
when he was in his 80s, that in the summer between (public) school and
university in 1939 he hitch-hiked down to Margate and worked at Dreamland -
an amusement park m'lud. He said he did it to prove to himself and his
parents that he could fend for and fund himself. It certainly taught him a
bit about the world. It also explained why he would occasionally bring home
a copy of the Worlds Fair.

Post by Sid Nuncius
as was the holiday job I
had on the factory floor a year later at Player's old cigarette factory
in Radford. (£20 pw - unheard-of wealth! - plus 40 bonus Player's No.
6, which this non-smoker could swap for a couple of pints with friends
at the Nottingham Traditional Music Club on a Friday evening. An
arrangement which made everyone happy.)
Er...that's it. Sorry - I doubt anyone is at all interested in my
senile ramblings.

I was.

[Vicky]

Post by Penny
On Sun, 13 May 2018 07:34:28 +0100, Sid Nuncius

Post by Sid Nuncius
Oooh, sir, me, sir! I worked for Tube Investments for six months in
1973 before I went to university. I had an office job at Raleigh Cycles
in Nottingham, who were part of TI at that time. (The entire factory is
gone now and the University has expanded onto the site, I understand.)
It was a boodly boring job and not that well paid, but I'm really glad
to have done it. It was a very important part of the education of a boy
from a (by then) comfortable academic family,

Indeed. I was surprised to learn, in a rare conversation with my father
when he was in his 80s, that in the summer between (public) school and
university in 1939 he hitch-hiked down to Margate and worked at Dreamland -
an amusement park m'lud. He said he did it to prove to himself and his
parents that he could fend for and fund himself. It certainly taught him a
bit about the world. It also explained why he would occasionally bring home
a copy of the Worlds Fair.

Post by Sid Nuncius
as was the holiday job I
had on the factory floor a year later at Player's old cigarette factory
in Radford. (£20 pw - unheard-of wealth! - plus 40 bonus Player's No.
6, which this non-smoker could swap for a couple of pints with friends
at the Nottingham Traditional Music Club on a Friday evening. An
arrangement which made everyone happy.)
Er...that's it. Sorry - I doubt anyone is at all interested in my
senile ramblings.

I was.

MTAAW

I did various jobs in the 6th form and as a student. Usherette. I saw
The Unsinkable Molly Brown 14 time.
Cleaner and ward maid at the local hospital. I liked being ward maid,
although it was only as standin for the odd day. Responsible for
washing up cups, being shown how to bleach them, sister in the staff
dining room supervising me showing how to dust entire bits of chairs
:).
Child minder/babysitter, day time too.
Postman.
Sorting office worker.
One of the best was in the local departmnet store, Owen Owen, in the
toy department at Christmas.
Assistant one summer in the police canteen at Hendon.
Student guide for groups for BUNAC.

All were good work experience and also useful extra money.

[krw]

Post by Vicky
All were good work experience and also useful extra money.

My summer jobs were fairly simple - bar work, painting undercoat in a
wood working factory and a summer behind a Travellers Fare counter. And
I think working for my parents for another summer, mainly learning
enough about the shop so they could have a week's holiday at the end of
the summer as otherwise there was little chance of them having a holiday.

[Kate B]

Post by krw

Post by Vicky
All were good work experience and also useful extra money.

My summer jobs were fairly simple - bar work, painting undercoat in a
wood working factory and a summer behind a Travellers Fare counter.  And
I think working for my parents for another summer, mainly learning
enough about the shop so they could have a week's holiday at the end of
the summer as otherwise there was little chance of them having a holiday.

I did a paper round when I was twelve or thirteen or so (wasn't there an
age limit for that? This would have been in the <cough cough> sixties),
and later worked in Harrods in the school holidays to keep me in Proms
when I was 17 and 18. But the best job was my Saturday job in the local
public library. I got it through frightful favouritism (the librarian
was a patient of my father's) and loved it madly. What wasn't to love?
Unlimited books to borrow, all the stamping of books and flicking of
card-indexes you could ever desire, and a huge salary. I can't remember
what it was. Possibly 15/-?

[Penny]

On Mon, 14 May 2018 14:34:30 +0100, Kate B <***@nospam.demon.co.uk>
scrawled in the dust...

Post by Kate B

Post by krw

Post by Vicky
All were good work experience and also useful extra money.

My summer jobs were fairly simple - bar work, painting undercoat in a
wood working factory and a summer behind a Travellers Fare counter.  And
I think working for my parents for another summer, mainly learning
enough about the shop so they could have a week's holiday at the end of
the summer as otherwise there was little chance of them having a holiday.

I did a paper round when I was twelve or thirteen or so (wasn't there an
age limit for that? This would have been in the <cough cough> sixties),
and later worked in Harrods in the school holidays to keep me in Proms
when I was 17 and 18. But the best job was my Saturday job in the local
public library. I got it through frightful favouritism (the librarian
was a patient of my father's) and loved it madly. What wasn't to love?
Unlimited books to borrow, all the stamping of books and flicking of
card-indexes you could ever desire, and a huge salary. I can't remember
what it was. Possibly 15/-?

I worked in a rural pub at lunch time during my last term at school. I
would go to school in the morning, do whatever was necessary to the
slip-cast chess set I was making for A level art and then tootle over to
the pub on my Honda 50. I'd clean the pub (my original job there) then
serve behind the bar while the landlady made sandwiches or cooked lunches
(I think we only did combinations of egg, sausage, bacon and chips) as
needed. On a couple of occasions, when she was not expecting anyone in for
lunch, I was left in sole charge - people came for lunch and I coped ok.
Can't recall what I was paid but I'm pretty sure it was illegal for a 17
year-old to be in the bar unaccompanied, let alone serving.

[Jenny M Benson]

Post by Kate B
I did a paper round when I was twelve or thirteen or so (wasn't there an
age limit for that?

There was indeed. My daughter did a paper round when she was about 11 -
used her wages to buy herself the complete Illustrated Oxford Dictionary
as a part-work. Our version of Carpet Burns, who was a friend, came
round to tell me, very apologetically, that she would have to stop
delivering the papers - including his! - because he'd had an official
complaint.

[LFS]

Post by Kate B
I did a paper round when I was twelve or thirteen or so (wasn't there
an age limit for that?

There was indeed.  My daughter did a paper round when she was about 11 -
used her wages to buy herself the complete Illustrated Oxford Dictionary
as a part-work.  Our version of Carpet Burns, who was a friend, came
round to tell me, very apologetically, that she would have to stop
delivering the papers - including his! - because he'd had an official
complaint.

Do today's children still have such opportunities? We had a paper girl
until last summer but the paper is now delivered by a chap in a car.

In the sixth form our children both did stints on the phone for a local
double glazing firm which was very well paid. Son was brilliant at
fixing appointments but gave it up in a crisis of conscience: he said it
upset him to think that so many of the people answering the phone were
elderly and expecting calls from their family. Daughter worked for
directory enquiries at one point but got fed up with the abuse.

[Nick Odell]

Post by LFS

Post by Kate B
I did a paper round when I was twelve or thirteen or so (wasn't there
an age limit for that?

There was indeed.  My daughter did a paper round when she was about 11
- used her wages to buy herself the complete Illustrated Oxford
Dictionary as a part-work.  Our version of Carpet Burns, who was a
friend, came round to tell me, very apologetically, that she would
have to stop delivering the papers - including his! - because he'd had
an official complaint.

Do today's children still have such opportunities? We had a paper girl
until last summer but the paper is now delivered by a chap in a car.
In the sixth form our children both did stints on the phone for a local
double glazing firm which was very well paid. Son was brilliant at
fixing appointments but gave it up in a crisis of conscience: he said it
upset him to think that so many of the people answering the phone were
elderly and expecting calls from their family. Daughter worked for
directory enquiries at one point but got fed up with the abuse.

In the Neil-Gaimanesque underworld of the black economy and the drug
economy, I'm sure they have bags of opportunity: don't so many of the
stabbings and shootings and acid attacks in big cities result from
children working in -let's call them - Unregulated Industries?

But Saturday jobs and other part-time work seems to have been made
almost extinct through regulation by the authorities and changing
attitudes amongst young people: newsagents have been employing older
people to deliver the news for some time because they have found them to
be more reliable than the young - and with the wave of newsagent
closures and monopolistic wholesaler practices - see
https://www.theguardian.com/media/media-blog/2018/apr/22/newspaper-wholesaler-delivery-corner-shop-closures
- news delivery may soon be a thing of the past. These days employment
of young people is very closely monitored by local authorities and by
schools and I guess many potential employers - who can be clobbered with
all sorts of fines, etc - don't think it is worth the bother.

Three of my summer holiday jobs really stand out: the stint on a factory
floor which was mind-numbingly boring but through which I learned an
awful lot about the power of the unions in those days; the holidays in
which my then-girlfriend and I each, separately but intentionally,
worked in the same, large grocery store[1] and the summer, aged sixteen
and waiting for my O-level results, when I signed the Official Secrets
Act and worked on Concorde[2].

Nick
[1]Knowing that we would never be going back there again we staged a six
week long soap opera for our own amusement and the benefit of staff and
customers. Only two characters (us) were seen: the rest were voices off.
It was an everyday tale of shopkeeping folk: though we had been going
out together for some time, we pretended we'd never met before and
played the Boy Meets Girl, Boy Loses Girl, Boy And Girl Make Up And Live
Happily Ever After[3] drama out on the shop floor right up to our very
last day.

[2]I've either claimed immunity from from telling this story because of
the OSA or bored umra with it so many times I don't need to repeat it. I
can't remember which.

[3]Except, of course, in real life, we didn't

[Penny]

On Tue, 15 May 2018 09:42:41 +0100, Nick Odell

Post by Nick Odell
the stint on a factory
floor which was mind-numbingly boring but through which I learned an
awful lot about the power of the unions in those days

A friend of mine did something similar while waiting for college to start.
He staved off the boredom but finding more efficient ways to do the job and
trying to impose them upon his fellow workers. It might have gone down
better had they been on piece work but they weren't and resented being
'shown up' as slow workers.

[Btms]

Post by Vicky
All were good work experience and also useful extra money.

Much snipped.....

I wasn’t allowed to have a job. However, I was expected to work in the
family hotel (small guest house but even then this description was archaic)
but wasn’t paid. 🤨. I just did washing up mainly.

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Btms

Post by Vicky
All were good work experience and also useful extra money.

Much snipped.....
I wasn’t allowed to have a job. However, I was expected to work in the
family hotel (small guest house but even then this description was archaic)
but wasn’t paid. 🤨. I just did washing up mainly.

What a pity you were denied the pleasure of counting holes in peas.

I didn't get where I am today...

[Btms]

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Btms

Post by Vicky
All were good work experience and also useful extra money.

Much snipped.....
I wasn’t allowed to have a job. However, I was expected to work in the
family hotel (small guest house but even then this description was archaic)
but wasn’t paid. 🤨. I just did washing up mainly.

What a pity you were denied the pleasure of counting holes in peas.
I didn't get where I am today...

I sense my Father would have considered it unseemly.

[Mike]

Post by Btms

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Btms

Post by Vicky
All were good work experience and also useful extra money.

Much snipped.....
I wasn’t allowed to have a job. However, I was expected to work in the
family hotel (small guest house but even then this description was archaic)
but wasn’t paid. 🤨. I just did washing up mainly.

What a pity you were denied the pleasure of counting holes in peas.
I didn't get where I am today...

I sense my Father would have considered it unseemly.

I attended boarding school where there would not have been any freedom to
partake in part time work of any kind; upon leaving a few months before my
16th. birthday, I started work straightaway in full-time employment - which
I continued with until the end of the week my 65th. birthday fell. Never
unemployed and left several jobs early by using annual leave to commence at
my next job; an unusual sort of record for a ‘disabled’ person I think.

[Vicky]

Post by Mike

Post by Btms

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Btms

Post by Vicky
All were good work experience and also useful extra money.

Much snipped.....
I wasn’t allowed to have a job. However, I was expected to work in the
family hotel (small guest house but even then this description was archaic)
but wasn’t paid. ?. I just did washing up mainly.

What a pity you were denied the pleasure of counting holes in peas.
I didn't get where I am today...

I sense my Father would have considered it unseemly.

Mine died when I was 7, or might have done so. My grandfather was not
keen, but I was aware we could do with extra money.

Post by Mike
I attended boarding school where there would not have been any freedom to
partake in part time work of any kind; upon leaving a few months before my
16th. birthday, I started work straightaway in full-time employment - which
I continued with until the end of the week my 65th. birthday fell. Never
unemployed and left several jobs early by using annual leave to commence at
my next job; an unusual sort of record for a ‘disabled’ person I think.

Probably a miracle!

[Btms]

Post by Mike

Post by Btms

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Btms

Post by Vicky
All were good work experience and also useful extra money.

Much snipped.....
I wasn’t allowed to have a job. However, I was expected to work in the
family hotel (small guest house but even then this description was archaic)
but wasn’t paid. 🤨. I just did washing up mainly.

What a pity you were denied the pleasure of counting holes in peas.
I didn't get where I am today...

I sense my Father would have considered it unseemly.

I attended boarding school where there would not have been any freedom to
partake in part time work of any kind; upon leaving a few months before my
16th. birthday, I started work straightaway in full-time employment - which
I continued with until the end of the week my 65th. birthday fell. Never
unemployed and left several jobs early by using annual leave to commence at
my next job; an unusual sort of record for a ‘disabled’ person I think.

Unusual and also very excellent.

On another note, I now work with the RDA and young folk who are on the
autistic spectrum. Whilst I am sniffy about changing language that works
to create denial of an issue, I do like the collective noun of special
needs, in preference to disabled. The latter is such a sweeping term - and
in my view - pejorative. Sounds like you are comfortable with it as a sort
of shorthand description?.

[Mike]

Post by Btms

Post by Mike

Post by Btms

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Btms

Post by Vicky
All were good work experience and also useful extra money.

Much snipped.....
I wasn’t allowed to have a job. However, I was expected to work in the
family hotel (small guest house but even then this description was archaic)
but wasn’t paid. 🤨. I just did washing up mainly.

What a pity you were denied the pleasure of counting holes in peas.
I didn't get where I am today...

I sense my Father would have considered it unseemly.

I attended boarding school where there would not have been any freedom to
partake in part time work of any kind; upon leaving a few months before my
16th. birthday, I started work straightaway in full-time employment - which
I continued with until the end of the week my 65th. birthday fell. Never
unemployed and left several jobs early by using annual leave to commence at
my next job; an unusual sort of record for a ‘disabled’ person I think.

Unusual and also very excellent.
On another note, I now work with the RDA and young folk who are on the
autistic spectrum. Whilst I am sniffy about changing language that works
to create denial of an issue, I do like the collective noun of special
needs, in preference to disabled. The latter is such a sweeping term - and
in my view - pejorative. Sounds like you are comfortable with it as a sort
of shorthand description?.

In my case, I prefer visually handicapped, don’t like visually impaired and
as for the political ‘diferently abled’!

[Jenny M Benson]

Post by Mike
In my case, I prefer visually handicapped, don’t like visually impaired and
as for the political ‘diferently abled’!

It's not for me to tell other people how to describe themselves and I
wouldn't dream of doing so, but I've never understood why the word
"handicapped" was dropped in favour of "disabled."

"Handicapped" means that doing something(s) is made more difficult, such
as making a horse carry more weight when racing, or when a person has to
use an artificial limb. "Disabled" always used to mean being made not
to function at all, such as the instruction, during the war, to disable
one's car when not in use by removing the umbrella. I'm sure 99.9
recurring % of people with a "handicap" would be outraged to be told
they couldn't function at all as a human being.

[Btms]

Post by Jenny M Benson
It's not for me to tell other people how to describe themselves and I
wouldn't dream of doing so, but I've never understood why the word
"handicapped" was dropped in favour of "disabled."

And not for me to introduce tabloid topics here; but I can’t resist the
observation that its refreshing to hear that the home life of the Grundies
is not so different from that of the residents in Ken Palace. Weddings do
seem particularly provocative for many families of course. 🤭. Justin and
FAL had their tensions not so long ago.

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Mike
In my case, I prefer visually handicapped, don’t like visually impaired and
as for the political ‘diferently abled’!

It's not for me to tell other people how to describe themselves and I
wouldn't dream of doing so, but I've never understood why the word
"handicapped" was dropped in favour of "disabled."
"Handicapped" means that doing something(s) is made more difficult, such
as making a horse carry more weight when racing, or when a person has to
use an artificial limb.  "Disabled" always used to mean being made not
to function at all, such as the instruction, during the war, to disable
one's car when not in use by removing the umbrella.  I'm sure 99.9
recurring % of people with a "handicap" would be outraged to be told
they couldn't function at all as a human being.

I agree, I'd far rather be described as handicapped, for the exact
reasons you give. Sadly, as so often happens, the word was tarred, in
many people's minds, by the attitudes which used to be held towards
people who are handicapped/disabled. This means that it's unlikely to
be resurrected as the preferred term.

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Mike
In my case, I prefer visually handicapped, don’t like visually impaired and
as for the political ‘diferently abled’!

It's not for me to tell other people how to describe themselves and I
wouldn't dream of doing so, but I've never understood why the word
"handicapped" was dropped in favour of "disabled."
"Handicapped" means that doing something(s) is made more difficult,
such as making a horse carry more weight when racing, or when a person
has to use an artificial limb.  "Disabled" always used to mean being
made not to function at all, such as the instruction, during the war,
to disable one's car when not in use by removing the umbrella.  I'm
sure 99.9 recurring % of people with a "handicap" would be outraged to
be told they couldn't function at all as a human being.

I agree, I'd far rather be described as handicapped, for the exact
reasons you give.  Sadly, as so often happens, the word was tarred, in
many people's minds, by the attitudes which used to be held towards
people who are handicapped/disabled.  This means that it's unlikely to
be resurrected as the preferred term.

There must come a point when all the possible words & phrases have
become "tainted" & thus discarded. Will it then be time to go back to
the beginning & start over?

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Mike
In my case, I prefer visually handicapped, don’t like visually impaired and
as for the political ‘diferently abled’!

It's not for me to tell other people how to describe themselves and I
wouldn't dream of doing so, but I've never understood why the word
"handicapped" was dropped in favour of "disabled."
"Handicapped" means that doing something(s) is made more difficult,
such as making a horse carry more weight when racing, or when a
person has to use an artificial limb.  "Disabled" always used to mean
being made not to function at all, such as the instruction, during
the war, to disable one's car when not in use by removing the
umbrella.  I'm sure 99.9 recurring % of people with a "handicap"
would be outraged to be told they couldn't function at all as a human
being.

I agree, I'd far rather be described as handicapped, for the exact
reasons you give.  Sadly, as so often happens, the word was tarred, in
many people's minds, by the attitudes which used to be held towards
people who are handicapped/disabled.  This means that it's unlikely to
be resurrected as the preferred term.

There must come a point when all the possible words & phrases have
become "tainted" & thus discarded.  Will it then be time to go back to
the beginning & start over?

Probably. Sadly, the same is probably true about attitudes :(

[Chris McMillan]

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Mike
In my case, I prefer visually handicapped, don’t like visually impaired and
as for the political ‘diferently abled’!

It's not for me to tell other people how to describe themselves and I
wouldn't dream of doing so, but I've never understood why the word
"handicapped" was dropped in favour of "disabled."
"Handicapped" means that doing something(s) is made more difficult, such
as making a horse carry more weight when racing, or when a person has to
use an artificial limb. "Disabled" always used to mean being made not
to function at all, such as the instruction, during the war, to disable
one's car when not in use by removing the umbrella. I'm sure 99.9
recurring % of people with a "handicap" would be outraged to be told
they couldn't function at all as a human being.

PC these days is visually impaired, but we are medically sight impaired
(partially sighted) or severely sight impaired (blind: a word which must
never be uttered except if you have absolutely no sight whatsoever). I was
reading something the other day where someone wrote the abbreviation SSI.
My brain failed to see it was 2 SS not 3, and was thinking what)’s the
environment got to do with a sight loss abbreviation.

Sincerely Chris

[Vicky]

Post by Mike
I attended boarding school where there would not have been any freedom to
partake in part time work of any kind; upon leaving a few months before my
16th. birthday, I started work straightaway in full-time employment - which
I continued with until the end of the week my 65th. birthday fell. Never
unemployed and left several jobs early by using annual leave to commence at
my next job; an unusual sort of record for a ‘disabled’ person I think.

One of the places I set up off-site tuition was Remploy, where one way
we provided support to students who were doing NVQs was by arranging
for the study material to be enlarged for easier reading. That factory
is no longer there :(. And the people working there really liked
doing so and it was probably the only way for them to be employed.
Much was promised when the factories closed. Not delivered though.

[LFS]

Post by Vicky

Post by Mike
I attended boarding school where there would not have been any freedom to
partake in part time work of any kind; upon leaving a few months before my
16th. birthday, I started work straightaway in full-time employment - which
I continued with until the end of the week my 65th. birthday fell. Never
unemployed and left several jobs early by using annual leave to commence at
my next job; an unusual sort of record for a ‘disabled’ person I think.

One of the places I set up off-site tuition was Remploy, where one way
we provided support to students who were doing NVQs was by arranging
for the study material to be enlarged for easier reading. That factory
is no longer there :(. And the people working there really liked
doing so and it was probably the only way for them to be employed.
Much was promised when the factories closed. Not delivered though.

Was that Remploy on the North Circular? One of our wedding presents was
a rather horrible coffee table made there. The person who gave it to us
was a friend of my father and extremely wealthy. He asked what we would
like and I said a clock would be ideal.

The coffee table turned out to be extremely useful when the children
were small as they could do messy play on it and it didn't matter if it
got damaged.

[Vicky]

Post by LFS

Post by Vicky

Post by Mike
I attended boarding school where there would not have been any freedom to
partake in part time work of any kind; upon leaving a few months before my
16th. birthday, I started work straightaway in full-time employment - which
I continued with until the end of the week my 65th. birthday fell. Never
unemployed and left several jobs early by using annual leave to commence at
my next job; an unusual sort of record for a ‘disabled’ person I think.

One of the places I set up off-site tuition was Remploy, where one way
we provided support to students who were doing NVQs was by arranging
for the study material to be enlarged for easier reading. That factory
is no longer there :(. And the people working there really liked
doing so and it was probably the only way for them to be employed.
Much was promised when the factories closed. Not delivered though.

Was that Remploy on the North Circular? One of our wedding presents was
a rather horrible coffee table made there. The person who gave it to us
was a friend of my father and extremely wealthy. He asked what we would
like and I said a clock would be ideal.
The coffee table turned out to be extremely useful when the children
were small as they could do messy play on it and it didn't matter if it
got damaged.

I think so. There were two or three near the college. One was just
matresses I think. That might have closed first. I can't actually
remember what the one I went to did! I spoke to the receptionist, who
was blind, and some of the shop floor workers.

[BrritSki]

<TI>

Post by Nick Odell

Post by BrritSki

Post by Nick Odell
Or, in the Brritski context, Tube Investments, I think.

No, my context was Texas Instruments....

My apologies. I remembered Bedford and automatically thought Tube
Investments[1]. But given my memory these days[2] I might not even
have remembered Bedford.

Oooh, sir, me, sir!  I worked for Tube Investments for six months in
1973 before I went to university. I had an office job at Raleigh Cycles
in Nottingham, who were part of TI at that time.  (The entire factory is
gone now and the University has expanded onto the site, I understand.)
It was a boodly boring job and not that well paid, but I'm really glad
to have done it.  It was a very important part of the education of a boy
from a (by then) comfortable academic family,

I was not from a CAF, but work experience at school was very useful. I
had various jobs as a paper boy and also at Sketchley, but the best job
I had was at the Royal Show at Stoneleigh - my shift started at 6 and as
I cycled from home (about 30 minutes) it was an early call, but a lovely
ride in the early summer through the Warwickshire lanes. My job was as a
marshal on the livestock traffic lanes, but as there were serveral of us
and rarely more than 1 truck per hour, we were largely unemployed, so on
arrival we snuch into the Wool Marketing Board tent and caught some more
ZZZs on some fleeces, then a quick round of the various stalls offering
freebies, so fried potatoes, eggs, guinness etc for breakfast and then a
stroll round before further sampling and off home at 2PM. £60 for the
fortnight iirc, a small fortune in 1965.

Er...that's it.  Sorry - I doubt anyone is at all interested in my
senile ramblings.

Au contraire mon vieux.

[Btms]

Post by BrritSki

<TI>

Post by Nick Odell

Post by BrritSki

Post by Nick Odell
Or, in the Brritski context, Tube Investments, I think.

No, my context was Texas Instruments....

My apologies. I remembered Bedford and automatically thought Tube
Investments[1]. But given my memory these days[2] I might not even
have remembered Bedford.

Oooh, sir, me, sir!  I worked for Tube Investments for six months in
1973 before I went to university. I had an office job at Raleigh Cycles
in Nottingham, who were part of TI at that time.  (The entire factory is
gone now and the University has expanded onto the site, I understand.)
It was a boodly boring job and not that well paid, but I'm really glad
to have done it.  It was a very important part of the education of a boy
from a (by then) comfortable academic family,

I was not from a CAF, but work experience at school was very useful. I
had various jobs as a paper boy and also at Sketchley, but the best job
I had was at the Royal Show at Stoneleigh - my shift started at 6 and as
I cycled from home (about 30 minutes) it was an early call, but a lovely
ride in the early summer through the Warwickshire lanes. My job was as a
marshal on the livestock traffic lanes, but as there were serveral of us
and rarely more than 1 truck per hour, we were largely unemployed, so on
arrival we snuch into the Wool Marketing Board tent and caught some more
ZZZs on some fleeces, then a quick round of the various stalls offering
freebies, so fried potatoes, eggs, guinness etc for breakfast and then a
stroll round before further sampling and off home at 2PM. £60 for the
fortnight iirc, a small fortune in 1965.

Er...that's it.  Sorry - I doubt anyone is at all interested in my
senile ramblings.

Au contraire mon vieux.

Me too

[the Omrud]

Post by BrritSki
I was not from a CAF, but work experience at school was very useful. I
had various jobs as a paper boy and also at Sketchley, but the best job
I had was at the Royal Show at Stoneleigh - my shift started at 6 and as
I cycled from home (about 30 minutes) it was an early call, but a lovely
ride in the early summer through the Warwickshire lanes. My job was as a
marshal on the livestock traffic lanes, but as there were serveral of us
and rarely more than 1 truck per hour, we were largely unemployed, so on
arrival we snuch into the Wool Marketing Board tent and caught some more
ZZZs on some fleeces, then a quick round of the various stalls offering
freebies, so fried potatoes, eggs, guinness etc for breakfast and then a
stroll round before further sampling and off home at 2PM. £60 for the
fortnight iirc, a small fortune in 1965.

I was still living in Kenilworth in 1965. I used to go to the Show
every year with Dad who was responsible for the Warwickshire Beekeepers
stall. I collected a lot of leaflets about tractors.

[LFS]

<TI>

Post by Nick Odell

Post by BrritSki

Post by Nick Odell
Or, in the Brritski context, Tube Investments, I think.

No, my context was Texas Instruments....

My apologies. I remembered Bedford and automatically thought Tube
Investments[1]. But given my memory these days[2] I might not even
have remembered Bedford.

Oooh, sir, me, sir!  I worked for Tube Investments for six months in
1973 before I went to university. I had an office job at Raleigh Cycles
in Nottingham, who were part of TI at that time.  (The entire factory is
gone now and the University has expanded onto the site, I understand.)
It was a boodly boring job and not that well paid, but I'm really glad
to have done it.  It was a very important part of the education of a boy
from a (by then) comfortable academic family, as was the holiday job I
had on the factory floor a year later at Player's old cigarette factory
in Radford.  (£20 pw - unheard-of wealth! - plus 40 bonus Player's No.
6, which this non-smoker could swap for a couple of pints with friends
at the Nottingham Traditional Music Club on a Friday evening.  An
arrangement which made everyone happy.)
Er...that's it.  Sorry - I doubt anyone is at all interested in my
senile ramblings.

I am!

Before I went to university in 1965 I worked as an office junior at the
International Twist Drill Company in Watery Lane, Sheffield. The
experience is still vivid in my memory and I really should write it all
down. Having moved to Sheffield was itself scary enough (Mum started
watching Corrie to educate herself about up North but it didn't help
much) but seeing how a factory worked and mixing with a whole bunch of
people I might otherwise never have met was invaluable, although I
didn't know that at the time.

After six months I went to work at a local accountants. On my first day
I was introduced to a man called Walter Wall. I grinned and said
"Carpets!" Everyone looked at me blankly and I wondered if people in
Sheffield actually had wall-to-wall carpeting. Not an expression you
hear these days.

[Fred]

I worked in the radio/TV dept of a dept store while in sixth form and then had various holiday jobs.
Stacking crates of 'pop' was hard work but shifting paper in a paper mill was possibly the best. I worked shifts (6 am to 2; 2 to 10; 10 to 6 ) and on two of the shifts it was either too late or too early to go out so I spent nothing on those weeks. A great way to save money.
I also spent a summer renting deck-chairs on Morecambe beach. The deal was that the punter gave me a shilling and took the chair. On return they got back threepence. Many people couldn't be bothered to return the chair and I went to get it and kept the threepence - a nice little earner; and on the days when it rained we were sent home on half pay.
Happy days!

Fred

[Nick Odell]

Post by Nick Odell
Met an old bloke in town today and got talking about Ballarat - as
one does. Only neither of us could remember that the place was called
Ballarat. Oh well....

Met the same old bloke in town today we looked at each other and

{Ballarat }
simultaneously exclaimed { } Oh well x2
{Sovereign Hill}


Nick

[Clive Arthur]

Post by Mike

Post by Nick Odell

Post by Btms

Post by vk

Post by Btms
Though no doubt the revision of episodes around the nuptials took place
soon after the engagement, I wonder how Ambridge will recognise it.
Something reflective of the kind, caring but lose cannon of the 5th in line
to this dreadful inheritance, I hope. Republicans need not respond as no
doubt they would prefer to ignore it all. However, I am asking about what
we think Ambridge has prepped; not what our preference is.

Speaking as a Republican I would like to point out that her name is
Meghan ;)

I’ve no idea what she’s called; sounds like you know/have read more of it
than me. Just interested in TA’s highly planned TI😊

Shold we still call it a Topical Insert, then? Wouldn't Item Which Was
Known About For Months, Carefully Scripted And Rehearsed And Recorded At
A Regular Recording Session be more appropriate? Though whilst
IWWKAFMCSARARAARRS might make an interesting addition to UMRA's
Abbreviation and Acronym section I'll concede that TI slips mre easily
off the tongue.
Nick

Especially when it doesn’t refer to Texas Instruments.

Oh the yellow rows of Texas
Are the data books for me!

(Though the earlier hardbacks were a dull orange.)

Cheers

[Mike]

Post by Clive Arthur

Post by Mike

Post by Nick Odell

Post by Btms

Post by vk

Post by Btms
Though no doubt the revision of episodes around the nuptials took place
soon after the engagement, I wonder how Ambridge will recognise it.
Something reflective of the kind, caring but lose cannon of the 5th in line
to this dreadful inheritance, I hope. Republicans need not respond as no
doubt they would prefer to ignore it all. However, I am asking about what
we think Ambridge has prepped; not what our preference is.

Speaking as a Republican I would like to point out that her name is
Meghan ;)

I’ve no idea what she’s called; sounds like you know/have read more of it
than me. Just interested in TA’s highly planned TI😊

Shold we still call it a Topical Insert, then? Wouldn't Item Which Was
Known About For Months, Carefully Scripted And Rehearsed And Recorded At
A Regular Recording Session be more appropriate? Though whilst
IWWKAFMCSARARAARRS might make an interesting addition to UMRA's
Abbreviation and Acronym section I'll concede that TI slips mre easily
off the tongue.
Nick

Especially when it doesn’t refer to Texas Instruments.

Oh the yellow rows of Texas
Are the data books for me!
(Though the earlier hardbacks were a dull orange.)
Cheers

The second volume was ... ;-)))

[Btms]

Post by Nick Odell

Post by Btms

Post by vk

Post by Btms
Though no doubt the revision of episodes around the nuptials took place
soon after the engagement, I wonder how Ambridge will recognise it.
Something reflective of the kind, caring but lose cannon of the 5th in line
to this dreadful inheritance, I hope. Republicans need not respond as no
doubt they would prefer to ignore it all. However, I am asking about what
we think Ambridge has prepped; not what our preference is.

Speaking as a Republican I would like to point out that her name is
Meghan ;)

I’ve no idea what she’s called; sounds like you know/have read more of it
than me. Just interested in TA’s highly planned TI😊

Shold we still call it a Topical Insert, then? Wouldn't Item Which Was
Known About For Months, Carefully Scripted And Rehearsed And Recorded At
A Regular Recording Session be more appropriate? Though whilst
IWWKAFMCSARARAARRS might make an interesting addition to UMRA's
Abbreviation and Acronym section I'll concede that TI slips mre easily
off the tongue.
Nick

I am not sure it will be directly related but having had the Burns & Fallon
engagement announced, they can do the tried and tested by mirroring with a
celebration in Ambridge?

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Post by vk

Post by Btms
Though no doubt the revision of episodes around the nuptials took place
soon after the engagement, I wonder how Ambridge will recognise it.
Something reflective of the kind, caring but lose cannon of the 5th in line
to this dreadful inheritance, I hope. Republicans need not respond as no
doubt they would prefer to ignore it all. However, I am asking about what
we think Ambridge has prepped; not what our preference is.

Not a lot, I suspect. The Bull will probably do coverage - depending a
lot on the weather; they may also do a "Royal Wedding Free" room, if the
public awareness/coverage ramps up a lot.

Post by vk
Speaking as a Republican I would like to point out that her name is
Meghan ;)

Normally I am not too keen on the familiarity of using someone's first
name, but in this case, at least it stops me thinking they're talking
about either the German chancellor or Joan Hickson's character!

[Btms]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Btms
Though no doubt the revision of episodes around the nuptials took place
soon after the engagement, I wonder how Ambridge will recognise it.

snipped ....

Not a lot, I suspect. The Bull will probably do coverage - depending a
lot on the weather; they may also do a "Royal Wedding Free" room, if the
public awareness/coverage ramps up a lot.

Your expectation will be a break with tradition. This is why I asked the
question. But this one has the feel of being as private as possible.

[Vicky]

Post by Btms

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Btms
Though no doubt the revision of episodes around the nuptials took place
soon after the engagement, I wonder how Ambridge will recognise it.

snipped ....

Not a lot, I suspect. The Bull will probably do coverage - depending a
lot on the weather; they may also do a "Royal Wedding Free" room, if the
public awareness/coverage ramps up a lot.

Your expectation will be a break with tradition. This is why I asked the
question. But this one has the feel of being as private as possible.

What about this: Fallon and Emma watch the wedding on tv and Fallon
likes the dress. She tells Clarrie and Jill when they are having tea
one day and they offer to help her make one like it.

By the way
v
v
v
v
v
v
v
v
v
v
v
v
v
v
v
v
v
v
v
I liked the proposal scene.

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Btms
Though no doubt the revision of episodes around the nuptials took place
soon after the engagement, I wonder how Ambridge will recognise it.
Something reflective of the kind, caring but lose cannon of the 5th in line
to this dreadful inheritance, I hope.  Republicans need not respond
as no
doubt they would prefer to ignore it all.  However, I am asking about
what
we think Ambridge has prepped; not what our preference is.

Not a lot, I suspect. The Bull will probably do coverage - depending a
lot on the weather; they may also do a "Royal Wedding Free" room, if the
public awareness/coverage ramps up a lot.

I agree that The Bull will probably put on something - Kenton's always
up for any excuse for a party, after all. I doubt that he will organise
a "Royal Wedding Free" room, I'm not sure that The Bull is large enough
to have two separate functions, anyway.

[Mike]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Btms
Though no doubt the revision of episodes around the nuptials took place
soon after the engagement, I wonder how Ambridge will recognise it.
Something reflective of the kind, caring but lose cannon of the 5th in line
to this dreadful inheritance, I hope.  Republicans need not respond
as no
doubt they would prefer to ignore it all.  However, I am asking about
what
we think Ambridge has prepped; not what our preference is.

Not a lot, I suspect. The Bull will probably do coverage - depending a
lot on the weather; they may also do a "Royal Wedding Free" room, if the
public awareness/coverage ramps up a lot.

I agree that The Bull will probably put on something - Kenton's always
up for any excuse for a party, after all. I doubt that he will organise
a "Royal Wedding Free" room, I'm not sure that The Bull is large enough
to have two separate functions, anyway.

There’s the Bull Upstairs, that could be a bull-free room.

[John Ashby]

Post by Mike

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Btms
Though no doubt the revision of episodes around the nuptials took place
soon after the engagement, I wonder how Ambridge will recognise it.
Something reflective of the kind, caring but lose cannon of the 5th in line
to this dreadful inheritance, I hope.  Republicans need not respond
as no
doubt they would prefer to ignore it all.  However, I am asking about
what
we think Ambridge has prepped; not what our preference is.

Not a lot, I suspect. The Bull will probably do coverage - depending a
lot on the weather; they may also do a "Royal Wedding Free" room, if the
public awareness/coverage ramps up a lot.

I agree that The Bull will probably put on something - Kenton's always
up for any excuse for a party, after all. I doubt that he will organise
a "Royal Wedding Free" room, I'm not sure that The Bull is large enough
to have two separate functions, anyway.

There’s the Bull Upstairs, that could be a bull-free room.

Where Eddie will mistakenly assume it means he doesn't have to pay for
the drinks, and much hilarity will ensue.

john